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I don't know if it's because you know, the Sports
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Going on our eleventh year, if you can believe it,
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since COVID. I think COVID was the first time. Well
they did now, they did the they did the Cody
seth rollins Mania. We weren't at where Cody came back.
That was like three years ago. Wait, so that was
definitely post COVID. Okay, all right, that would have been
the one where Austin stun Vince one last time. Oh yeah,
Oh that was in Texas, right, that was the yeah,
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Right the rest? Goddamn, is this the third time they bet? No, No,
this is Vegas. I'm thinking of fucking New Orleans. Are
they going to New Orleans again? Yeah, they're going to
New Orleans next year. So stupid three years like time,
they're really testing, like the the novelty of Mania when
it's becoming very clear that it just goes to whoever
pays top dollar, and look, all the power to them
if that's the strategy that they're obliged to pursue as
a publicly traded company. But I'm not obliged to enjoy it.
I'm not obliged to feign enthusiasm. No, I'm good, right,
that's right. I mean I'm in a Vegas plenty of times, folks. Yeah, yeah,
that was kind of it. I mean, Vegas and Easter
just kind of ohh, that's coming up more and more.
I think people are starting to really put the pieces together, like, yeah,
it's a tough ask, it's a tough ask, and come
to find out, I think it was a I think
Meltzer even said that they actually are going because it's Easter,
and Vegas is paying them because it's typically such a
slow weekend and that's why the money's on the table
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I can see uh, I can see a bunch of
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they want to come, they want to come into Vegas grade.
You know what we could do, Yeah, you know we
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come went east and weekend, you know that weekend there's
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If it's a big it's a big deal. You know,
if it's a success, then we get a fucking you know,
we get fucking people like you know, chugging the quarters
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kids will get Easter baskets delivered to their hotels. Oh, absolutely,
like trips will see yeah yeah, yeah, be kind of
you know, a bunch of Cadbury eggs all over the place. Well,
you know they call it Cody Burry eggs, so they
are well, we'll certainly be sated with Uh. Actually maybe
they're burying Cody twos. That might actually be very it
needs to be seen. They're certainly working on John Cena
brother as we'll get to but yeah, we'll be sated
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the loose translations of what professional wrestling is from the
the original German Last time we were with you and uh,
the Lapse Academy of of of what of arts and science?
Arts and sciences? Yes, the Lapse Academy of Arts and Sciences.
So there's that and then love that one. You'll see
that one on yours truly at some point absolutely is
my prediction. And uh, then you know down hopefully you
know they I'll say they haven't. It's it's weird that
they haven't gotten back to us already. But there is
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I'm just waiting for their approval. I can't imagine it
wouldn't get approved, but there's there's nothing there that would.
We've certainly done. Also, we've done more you know, uh
you know on the nose, yeah, spoof shirts than that one. Yeah,
this one is sort of less on the nose and
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good point. The Barian Cream Auto Vance, which is in
uh you know it's a it's a play on an
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Dusty Road shirt with just something just like that. See,
I was hoping for that, but I wasn't. I didn't
remember one. I'm trying to, like think of a time
he's worn an American Dream shirt to the to the ring,
and I just couldn't think of it. I don't. I
don't know if he ever wore to the ring, but
this was one that popped up right away, that kind
of same design. Yeah, yep, So that's that was That
was so much fun to get into what it was
like to be a German wrestling fan. Courtesy of Ben.
Just another another proof point of what it is that
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You know, That's that's what we stand in testament to.
And Lindsey Uh was quick to say, you know what,
if this is, if this is going to be a
show about UH German wrestling, we got to send hopefully
can get this to you. We just simply have to
send a link to this image, which I I find
myself having a hard time disagreeing with boss. If you
want to take a look, what are we seeing here?
I mean it's it's it's uh, it's Hogan in his
best October feesh gear. What was that from? That's from
a I have no fucking ideas when he had because
I've seen a hundred pictures of him. Yeah, I've seen
him wear in the stupid outfit before too. It definitely
looks like you know, early to mid nineties whole Cogan
staring at Germany tour. I mean he looks like a perf.
I mean he's also got his hands covering his crotch,
like like, what are you doing there? Extremely questionable? Yeah,
he's he's covering his brat, someone wrote. Someone wrote on
Reddit leader Hogan. Someone wrote, we posted the show dust
cast fucking straightforward and clear cost So yeah, pro Wrestling
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And you know there's a funny there's a funny story
there too, because it's it's just a little in the sleeves.
It's a little snug, well in me in the studio too.
I mean it's well, not only not only that, like, yeah,
so it's a little Number one is a little snug
on the arms and number two, you know, that was
I don't know what was that our I guess was
our second recording, but it was already hot in the
studio by that point. And so as soon as and
I and I was fortunate that I had kind of
a bird's eye view of the monitors, so I could
see what was actually you know, what camera was hot, right,
and so I you know the moment that it was
it was the two shot of Jack and Evan. I
immediately started like taking this thing off because it was
so fucking up. But I'm also trying to be like
as quiet as possible, but it's not necessarily working that way,
and the panic is setting in. Let's be honest. Yeah,
the thing is, I was starting to feel very, very constricted.
I could feel like I was I was definitely getting
the claustrophobia, like I was never gonna be able to
get his fucking jacket off of ever, and so I'm
like freaking out. But fortunately he didn't get You know,
the guy was smart enough. Oh he was good en us,
smart enough. He fucking knew what he was doing. But
he was he he knew enough to like say, oh, yeah,
he's fucking struggling with the jacket. I'm gonna not go
to him. Absolutely, yes, And that's not your burden to
carry because that was a limited run. I'm not sure
there are many left, but if there are, I'm sure
you would wear them and much more a prop climbs
then we found ourselves in. But we just couldn't let
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Some of the more recent adventures from cameo, Yeah, there was, Well,
my favorite one was there was a an April Fool's
joke that someone was going to play on their wife
and they wanted to be a voicemail of Hulk Hogan,
you know, basically saying that this guy's wife left his
after credit card at one of the Hogan beat shops
and just you know, basically go with it, Yes, and
you know that's what happens. Why why is why? Brother?
Why are you leaving a credit card my place? Dude?
Like what's the deal with that brother? You know, and
do the whole thing and then yelling at her, yelling
at well, I mean, because you don't. You don't just
do that, because you're not trying to send a secret
signal exactly. There's definitely a problem, there's something wrong, something
would be read into you. Oh god, it was glorious.
It worked. I mean, it's great, it was. You couldn't
tell if it was legit or if it wasn't. Sounds
like something else I can something else I could mention,
but Cameo dot com slash the laps fan, do engage
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But do know we're trying to stay faithful to it
and stay on top of it. But sometimes, bus there's
just a burst of need on that thing. So it
comes in such interesting waves. It does, it does. I'm
always fascinated by how it all plays out. It's fascinating.
And you want to talk about kind of like a
virtuous circle, how we put it right back in to
the cast. I mean Cameo is not just a place
that you can get us, but Cameo is a place
where we can get the carnies right and we can
get them to weigh in and talk about things, and
it's always great. Not only go ahead. I'm just saying,
you know, because it's funny that we do that. I'm
actually wondering at the point. You know, I know he
probably gets God knows how many Kevin Nash gets on
a regular basis. You know, he probably gets hundreds every day.
But I do wonder if you know, we've I wonder
how many ask questions like we do. And I wonder
if you recognize I mean aways coming from me too,
you know, it's I always send it from my from
my like fan cameo account. It's what I do. So
I wonder if you, like, you know, if he ever
picks up on it, like, oh, there's the same fucking
guy again. I don't know. I mean, yeah, it really
is just function of how many come in. Yeah, right, Eventually,
eventually someone will blow up our spot, because that's how
people are. But I mean, I don't think it's blown
up mainlys. I mean it's not like oh they don't care, No,
they care, but if yeah, it's uh, I think we're
not the only ones that do it too, Like it's
just a it's a great way to get a question
without having to deal with the actual person, right, And
I'm sure they're happy to to pocket that money and
take as long as they feel, like, you know, it's
not like they're they're committing to sit down for two hours,
you know, the easiest money they've ever made. They love
it exactly and especially you know the last one and
asking to get a kick out of it. Yeah, they
actually enjoy it too. Yeah, you don't know until you
know if the guy actually is game for the using
cameo that way. Some have been like, I've never got
a request like ever Demon Dudley during the Lapsed Funk
he was no during a No. I don't think we
engaged them for TNH. It was it was the one
where during the CID Journey where we got to CID's
easy w run and we're asking, like why Sid called
Bubba Prima Donna one time on a shoot interview or
something you know you could tell you like didn't read
it before he hit record, and he like came upon
this question. I love when they do that like it's
so so funny, screeching hauled. Oh, it's so funny that
they don't, you know, they just kind of like stumble on,
Oh oh okay, uh okay, like you know, why don't
you read it before you press record? Just for your
own you know protection. But exactly, it's not only you know,
a resource that you can engage us with. It's not
only a resource that we can engage the wrestling community with,
but the solar system writ large can engage folks on
our behalf as well. You know, they're just like, oh,
this would be fun. Let me let me throw this
to the coach here see what uh gentleman Ax has
to say. And one of the great one of the
Hall of Fame contributors in that regard has been Zach
And we most recently did an episode of course, on
the nineteen eighty six WWF Slammy Awards and the wrestling
album the music album the WWF for released in late
nineteen eighty five, featuring all these wrestlers carrying on like
a bunch of fools, and we noted in the what
was it called the No No, No, No? What was
the song, oh Land of one thousand Dances Land of
a Thousand Dances music video. With all the w W wrestlers,
we were trying to find people, you know that that
were perhaps had books or had recollections of being on
that shoot, and Tito Santana was one of them, but
we didn't get in touch with him, but Zach reached out.
Wasn't a huge loss. It wasn't a huge miss on
our part, come to find out. Never is as Tito
has a way of putting a postage damp on these
if you catch my drift, but bless his heart, the
former Intercontinental champion here courtesy of Zach and this is
this is the magic, this is w W.
Speaker 5: E just finishing my workout and I've gotta get this in.
Jack Brother, you asked me, or maybe your buddy Zach Roller.
Speaker 2: Dude, asking me to send it to you.
Speaker 5: Jack. You guys want to know about any recollections I
have about the stories of filming the WWT record album
in the eighties.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, He's well.
Speaker 5: I had never done anything like that, and I the
only way I could carry a tune is if somebody
put it in a box and I carry it somewhere.
I just know that I was not doing a good job,
and we just kept doing it over and over and over,
and I'm sure my voice was not coming across.
Speaker 2: Very nice, okay, but it was fun. I knew we
were doing something different.
Speaker 5: I had no idea where we were headed, but it
turned out to be a great album and the fans love.
Speaker 2: I don't know where you're headed.
Speaker 5: And many, many years later, people like you are still
talking about it.
Speaker 2: Marks right, Oh my god, it's always this is w
w E. Hall of Famer. I love to start every time.
I mean it's like he's reading it. It's like he's reading,
you know, like like his own introduction, you know, like
but without with like awful glasses, you know, Yeah, this
is w w E. Well, at least he does. He
isn't one of the overchargers on the platform, So that's
that's uh yeah, that's to his credit. Someone made a
great suggestion. And at least he doesn't fucking spend spend
like eight hours going around as fucking office with all
of his memorabilia like steamboat. Yeah right, you get that,
no matter the worst and that's not the best. But interestingly,
someone had posted I thought it was it was a
great idea. We should just have Tito on every show
we do, even if he wasn't on it. Oh, that's
a good idea. Just ask him about it, Just fucking
say what did you think star K ninety one? Tito?
Tell us your thoughts about uh, you know e CW
heat Wave up my ass? Now, I do remember the show,
but I looked it up and here's what I would say.
Get a little too close to David Lynch there, But
that's okay, We'll have plenty of time for that today.
You say, you know, give him a random like Japanese
show and say, what are his memories of that? What
are memories of some like Kobashi Misawa match, what are
your memories of uh Antonio and Oki and Billy Robinson
in seventy six? Well, I really wasn't in the business yet.
It's there to answer your question, ladies and gentlemen, Merce said,
so lice, let's not forget Merce said, okay, Merce said,
we're said at all there, Yes, but again, just another
example the Germany show and Ben bringing the German to
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And this is this is Scott coming in recently with
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he's all four episodes of Lapsed characters going to breakfast
diners and ordering food and the interactions with the staff,
and the finale being Vader pulling up in the snow
at every single time. I mean, yeah, it has to
be Vader coming out and just like you know, just
throwing shit. Oh it's mister Salis again. What would you
like today? Hun? This is this is w w E
Hall of Famer Tito Santana. I would like to order
three scrambled eggs ops to Tato. I think it just
has a side of breakfast potatoes. He would call him that,
he would you know what else? You know what got
our our Bob, our homie Bob. On the most recent episode,
he writes, Bavarian cream. I nearly choked on my Sicilian
sandwich on this holiday trip with lungs and spleen. He advises,
I think rather wisely does Robert. You shouldn't eat and
listen to TLF And by the way, the sandwich was
awesome and goot our bite. Ben. He's not the first
person to say that. Shout out to Ben, the Solar
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to assist the podcast and getting an episode across the
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I don't hesitate to shine that one up. Nick has
a great suggestion. He says, you know what, fuck that,
get all these meats and cheeses on a board and
call it a sharp shooter reboard. That is spectacular. So
if we ever have a little get together with little
Finger Meats, Boss, I think the sharp shootery board is
at all, definitely, definitely a sharp shooter reboard. Fantastic. Well,
it needs to be on there. I mean, what do
you see, what do you what do you taste? I'm
gonna say a lot of Canadian beef, well, Canadian soul.
We have the best in the world, the best beef,
and we got the best beef, like really, I mean,
I'm sure it's delicious. I've never heard of it though,
I know I've never heard of Canadian beef. I know
there's a lot of cattle and ship and cowboys out there.
You gotta stampedes after all, you know your Calgary Stampedes
and ship. But yeah, now I don't know about this
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to Pledge. Just hilarious back and forth from Pledging members.
It's absolutely amazing underneath the audio file of the latest
offering from your co chairs, just such great insight. We
can always count if we trip up and hit a
point on a show where we're not sure about something,
or something doesn't make sense, or we we make some
stupid error, like what is it we called, Oh my god,
la May we call it the outfit the clothing lame,
a lame outfit instead of a La May outfit, which
I've never honestly never heard of. I mean, might be
a lame outfit, right, you know? And we said something
of Pam. Uh for one of the albums the Theater
of said Theater of Pain. We said Theater of Pam.
Someone said that it's like an album about Bailey, you know,
I'd like you remember we were talking about how the
hell Carson Schaeffer could claim to have seen Triple H
backstage at WrestleMania eleven in nineteen ninety five. Yeah, that
makes no sense, Mike writes. Triple H may have been
at WrestleMania eleven. He left WCW in January nineteen ninety five.
His vignettes ran on WWFTV in April nineteen ninety five,
which means they would have had to be filmed before then.
That leaves open the possibility he was with the company
in March of that year. A little not so fun
trivia Triple H's first televised match are at April thirtieth,
nineteen ninety five, defeating buck Zoomhoff. Oh that's a fucking
ugh wow that is That's not a good trivia question.
I'll tell you that. Not at all. Recently and under
the cinnamat we went back to the covid era. Thanks
we did. I tell people who you know might be
listening to this on the main feed and are hipped
utd of the cinemat yet, how it is you brilliantly
pivoted off of that one of a kind David Lynch
twin Peaks journey. What do we get ourselves into maybe
a little lockdown scenario? I mean, yeah, you know, oftentimes
I like to if I know we're going in a
certain direction after you know, after if we're going, if
we're doing some kind of a long journey we're doing
like a big, big movie, I like to counterbalance it
with something that is absolutely atrocious and is just some
of the worst fucking cinema you could possibly imagine. And
you know, it's it's not the nicest thing to say,
but you're you're gonna be in luck with that when
it comes to Kevin Nash, because a lot of his
movies are just absolute garbage. And it's kind of funny
because because he's got so many, like he's a kind
of a fifty to fifty, you know, record in terms
of you know, big, good, big movies and crappy small movies.
It's really a fifty to fifty. So we've been able
to confirm to the aforementioned Cano channels that he's very
self aware about what movies he's done that are ship
and which movies he's done aren't. Necessarily he's one of
the best ones we've ever gotten, was him commenting for
this episode on this movie. He called it, Yes, he
called it a It was like being on a sophomore
in high school student film COVID nineteen as COVID nineteen Invasion,
sometimes called lockdown. But man, what a Sometimes sometimes it's
just you got to go, you know, hey, you know
you got to have We get to hurt too sometimes
and I'm okay, with us, with putting us through that.
Speaker 1: He's a la fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
knows the boys need their candy. It's the last fan.
He's an elapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and.
Speaker 2: We were asking, we were wondering on the episode what
what uh I s D stood for. We came upon
some clips somewhere IDU was independent school district thanks to Austin,
a Texan in his own right. I think it might
have been in one of the stories. Yeah, that's a
good that's a good one. It's his I s D
often levy good. I s D is often levy property
taxes and all non exempt property with I know what
it was, right, the I s D. That was the
That was because they were selling this school that the
director of the film wanted to buy because they shot
in there. They they well, yeah, yeah yeah, and he
wanted to buy this building to make it a film studio.
Amazing FU A lot more from that from that, what
is it? Micah what Micah lyons? Michah lions the director.
We get to know him quite well on the episode.
But what's Marshall Texas, by the way, is part of
what the ISD would be here? Right. In this case,
he says, does Austin Marshall, Texas. The Marshall is SD
would be in charge of purchasing and selling the building,
So that would have been the aforementioned micah Lyons would
have would have been talking to. But what is Marshall,
Texas really known for? Austin ads Marshall was known for
a long time as the patent capital of the US.
Who knew. Wow, it's interesting by this, I mean it
was where the majority of patent cases are tried, which
led to patent trolls purposely trying cases in the US
Eastern Texas District Court. Here's a good write up about it.
He lynxius to w a BBC article with perhaps the
key quote being Marshall became a haven for what's called
patent trolls, companies that buy up old or vague patents
as a means to file multiple lawsuits. That's a big
fucking red, white and blue thumbs up right there. Wow, yep.
Their goal was to squeeze money out of businesses that
decide it's easier to pay a small settlement and make
a case go away rather than fight it out with
high priced lawyers. So what they're doing is fucking They're
just buying patents that are out there that no one
cares about and then trying to find, like trying to
find a case out there that companies are violating a
patent that wasn't even there is to begin with, but
they now own. And it's just like it's just a
scheme to get people to just cut you quick check.
Is that whole area just about scamming people? Who knows?
What the hell Marshall Texas? Why the hell Marshall Texas
became ground zero for that? But I don't know, Probably not,
because there's honest people everywhere around there. I mean, because
you get the I mean, it's no different than the
scam that Mike Lions is putting up palaw on people.
In my opinion. It's not fact. It is my opinion,
just my opinion. I'm just going to make sure that's clear. Absolutely. Pete,
big shout out to you, thanks for joining the executive
producer to here to enjoy the afrementioned under the cinemat
and all the other benefits there too. We talked recently
about fanfare for the common Man. Didn't we ayes We
did plays during the aforementioned WAF European Rampage television broadcast
as it aired in Germany, and Craig, along with several others,
mentioned to us at the version A fanfare for the
common Man on that wrestling show is a version done
by Emerson Lake and Palmer, a legendary progressive rock band.
That is the version that you hear on the on
the broadcast. He attaches us to a link of them
playing in nineteen ninety two, where but the Royal Albert Hall. Boss.
That's right, that's the Royal Albert Hall in my home
town a lot in England. MVP status fan Big Steve
wants you to know that he needs that Bavarian cream
shirt in the worst way. It's common, common in all
ways you can imagine. So I'll listen. It's it's it's common.
As soon as it gets approved, I might have to
fucking email them and bug them and say where the
fuck's my shirt?
Speaker 6: Ah?
Speaker 2: You may you may have remembered noting that Mike McGirk
has a penchant for saying unhaling from Glenn Falls, New York. Yes,
not hailing, unhaling or perhaps and haaling, and it sounds
like unhaling. I mean that's a that's a I mean
on hailing. That's how you have to say it, because
it definitely sounds like un like gun, right, it definitely
sounds like un I mean, you know, I could be wrong,
but it sounds like un to me. And on that point,
Paul on Patreon makes the brilliant point that Dugan might
have been unhaling from Glenn's falls, but he and Schiky
were certainly inhaling. In New Jersey, Bryce bar two, huge
shout out to you, my friend, for bumping all the
way up to the moat tier rarefied Air. We understand
it's it's a high dollar value to pay, but it's
our It's the rider die t here. It's the folks
that are, like, you know, not just doing it because
I get something out of it. It's not just about me,
me me, me, me me me. I'm doing it because
you deserve it, not just because what I get for it.
But we do throw you the extra b of the
one of a kind experience of getting on the living
room carpet just like it used to be. Oh yeah,
with mom in the background while you're watching wrestling. Mama sorrow,
it's wrestle, Mamia. Why don't you tell them, boss, what
awaits them if they can indeed afford to take that
Motier plunge. Well, you know we've been on you know,
it's it's certainly it's WrestleMania season. So right now there
is a load of WrestleMania themed matches that we lined
up for my mom to watch, or we I lined
up for my mom to watch. One of the more
recent ones was the the WrestleMania two thousand Hardcore Battle Royal. Yeah,
you better watch that. You better watch that. Absolutely, that's
a fiasco and a half. Yes it is. You know,
got to get her confused, she enjoys. No, she had
many questions. I'm sure many questions, and I'm sure you
know it's been a while, but I I'm sure that
it ended with her saying, I'm okay, if we never
see something like that, which, of course, if she only
knew better, that means we're definitely gonna see shit like
that again yet duly noted. But usually by the time
we get there, she's forgotten all about it. It's like
starting over. Yeah, yeah, because you certainly look, I've seen
you re explain the same set of rules within the
same match. Call let alone across different yes, being able
to remember across different different matches, so always always an
absolute joy too. And coming up though, I'll say, I mean, yeah,
it'll be, it'll be. Uh Hogan and Vince from nineteen
from nineteen, God, what she must think of Vince being
all bloodied and everything. Oh yeah, well it was. It
was a trip. It was a fucking trip, for sure,
Motor David noted on her call episode one thirty five
of Sergeant Slaughter versus Pat Patterson from nineteen eighty one.
At some point she says, quote, this is a bullfight,
and David writes, Mama Sorrow is far more accurate than
she intended to be. Could absolutely say that again, my friend.
Speaker 7: Oh God, as we think about the spirit of giving,
Zach points out on Patreon, you know, I bet it's
a safe bet that many TLF fans, he says, buy
the co Chair's Christmas gifts before anyone else in their lives.
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, thinking it through it, I'm like, you
know what, He's right, because it has to be that way, yes,
because we have to have those things secured before it
even makes much sense to shop for those around you.
But this is probably the earliest we've ever reminded folks,
don't don't sleep on it. If you've got an idea,
if you've got something that you think than belongs in
the till for the next unwrapping, it's it's never too early,
it's only just too late very often, get it, send
it in and fucking put it on. You know, I
got an area in my office right as pile shit up.
Absolutely you do, and that's that's always always open to
you if you want to be absolutely sure that whenever
it is your CoA chairs, make time to salute the
hearth as only we can. That you're part of the experience.
It's the lapsed fan seven ten Main Street, South po
Bucks one one nine Southbury, Connecticut zero six four eighty
eight for your unwrappening needs. Charles writes to us, we
were talking about Sean versus Savage and just how much
was left on the table. They never had a program,
you know, they really just wrestled a handful of matches.
It's really quite sad. And someone else pointed out, I'll
shout out the name in a moment. As we were
fantas sizing about Savage versus Steve Austin In nineteen ninety
eight and WWF, yes, do you know they did wrestle
once in WSW No. Ninety five on Saturday Night. Oh wow,
stunning Steve, long blonde hair, macho man, a relatively fresh
in the company, and they mixed it up. So if you,
if you're so inclined, you can find and see and
sense the dynamic in ring dynamic between Savage and Austin. Now,
this is hardly stone cold, the stone still stunning. Steve
is still still phenomenal, phenomenal, It's just not the it's
not the in ring clash of styles that I think
you picture when you picture it in attitude. WWF. It's
a different worker, it's different approach. If you're stunning Steve,
he's bumping and feeding. I'm thinking of a baby face
Austin that's got to fend off a psychotic Savage, you know,
not a neon wearing, slim gym cracking babyface Savage, but
macho man. Verse HBK was the subject of a lot
of discussion in terms of how often it happened and
when I think we ran down definitive listed of course,
included matches on the nineteen ninety two Post Wrestling the
eight European tour. Not only the Germany show we talked
about last time we were with you, but the European
show that it's say, I sorry the England show as well.
But Charlie writes, hello co chairs, I was listening to
your newest episode and my years perked up when I
heard your reference. A match between Randy Savage and Shawn
Michaels on July sixth, nineteen ninety three. I think that
was the last one they did, had a TV taping
in Wilkesburry, Pennsylvania, my hometown. I happen to have a
personal connection to this match, even though I was still
a little more than two years from being born at
the time. While going through some old family photos a
few years ago, I found a disposable camera photo of
the macho man standing on the apron and what looked
like a high school gym. After some digging on cage match,
I determined that it must have been taken at the
TV taping above mentioned Wilkes University Art Center. I assumed
my uncle, a wrestling fan to the extent that any
kid in the early eighties nineties, was rather monstev dragged
my grandfather along and one of the two snapped the photo.
I'd asked my uncle about it, but unfortunately no one
has seen or heard from him in a few years.
If you're curious, The w w returned to the March
Center three more times, twice at night. Probably'd probably deny
it happen anyway, you think, Yeah, you know once he wrestling.
We didn't do that ship. I never going to see
fake shit. You know, come here, sult me like that again. Hey,
you know what, give here here, give me fuck shit.
H Ever ever fucking say I watched watch fake shit again,
I didn't. I didn't say you watched fake ship. I
said you watch this man. But there it is. Look
at that. Imagine finding that one. That's a beautiful, that
blue pole, Randy and Sherry up on the apron. That's wild.
And to not even you know, for it to not
be yours, but to find it in your house and
to have to decode like where in your family history
it's from. If you're curious, he writes, The deputy return
to the mart Center three more times twice in nineteen
ninety four. Another Superstars taping and house show not a
wrestling challenge shaping in nineteen ninety five. Most of the
matches are what you'd expect from a seat here town,
like Will Sperry Quang versus Jim Powers a main event
anywhere in the world. Absolutely, though a Blaze Nakano title
match cut my eye. I never would have ben I
would love it. I would love it if like Quang
versus Jim Power's main event in somehow show oh my,
like one of those dark matches on and in your
house after they go off the air. Yeah, right, and
that's your fucking main event. Like people are gone before
that fucking Quang. People are gone before they before the
bell rings ough to begin. Last time I said Kwang
was when I was trying to mouth the sounds of
Ken SHAMROCK's entrance thing. It's neither here nor there. I
may have went anywhere in the world. I never would
have imagined bull Knock and O of all people he
writes to have ever set foot in my dumpy little town.
Apologies for the end solicited history lesson, but it's not
every day I hear my hometown mentioned on my favorite podcast.
Thanks for reading, and hope you get a kick out
of the photo. Well, indeed, we did. We love those
personal mementos. You know that fans have a unique little
story about that they can share with us, and that's
a good one. And you can see the wear on
the photo, little white dots where it's kind of been
chipped away at I'd so many of those because you know,
you brought shitty cameras to wrestling shows you just did,
and there were shadowy shots from far away from the
ring and still, you know, why do you think you
think you're you're getting ah, you think you know, like
you're taking like sports magazine worthy. Yes, you do photos
like you think you're going to get actual action shots,
you know, like you want to get like I try
to get shots if someone jumping off the top rope
and they're in mid air and it's like they're just
a blurry fucking mess, always a mess. It's always always
pitch black in the background. Yeah, yeah, yep, they're always
like doing something not athletic when you when you happen
to snap the photo. But when you're looking through the lens, man,
it's not like a you know, it's not like a
camera phone where you essentially see the picture you're going
to get right on your screen before you capture it.
You don't know how the lighting is going to react.
You don't know what you're going to end up with.
You you'd like to think you're going to end up
with a facsimile of what the naked eye can see
in the arena and what you can see to the
viewfinder of the old school camera. But my god, is
there so many other hoops to jump through inside the
technology before it spits out to the final the final proof,
if you will. And that was always nerve wracking, you know,
going to the pharmacy and getting those photo printouts, because
it's going to be worth it, or it's going to
He never knew, you never knew, just way too much
headroom in every shot, pretending you were front row even
though you were, you know, in the lower bowl, zooming
in like crazy, which only focks the picture up more
yep yep, Bez writes to us, Jack wondered if Brett
ever won another singles match with the elbow drop, as
we noted with interest that he beats the Mount Tea
with the elbow off the middle rope. No, sorry, Dino,
by the reason I said Mount, You'll see in a second.
Bez wants us to know, as many other shout out
to everybody that pointed this out to us that Brett
did in fact win on the November thirtieth, nineteen ninety
one Madison Square Gardenhouse Show when he pinned the Mounty
with that same elbow. Wow, so he was in his
elbow as a finisher phase. I guess so, pase big
shout out to you for joining the eptor my friend,
we want to thank you very much, Joe writes the
German TLF fan. Not that he needs my validation or
that he'll let even know, but it has to be said.
Holy smokes to the German fellow. That's Ben who helped
with the last two episodes. Guy is fan of the Year,
Joe writes early odds on Favorite and its description of
needing to do the research once he began. Just again,
bravo and add a boy to that. Guy just dropped
obligated to say something considering the time and effort dude
put into it all the best. You guys truly are
the best college podcast around. I agree. Are there college
podcast awards we can enter too? Oh? We really should
we should just enter them. Wait wait a minute, how
old are you guys? You guys in college? How do
you guys consider yourself a college pop baller? Fans say it,
listeners say, we're a college podcast all the time. So
who are we to question? Well, well, what college are you? Guys?
Affiliated with your mom? Your mom's university? Yeah? Why am
you what? Yeah? We're we are we go to ym you.
What's what's why am you your mom's university? I'll tell
you one thing. I want to want to roll in
Tom's backyard wrestling Federation. Here's what he remembers. Back in
the late nineties, My friends and I had a backyard
wrestling federation, and one of our factions was the condiments.
We took red, yellow, green, white, and blue book socks
and wore them as lugit door masks and had ketchup
as a wrestler, mustard as a wrestler, relish mayonnaise, and
blue cheese, which was I thought, fucking idiots, he said, seriously,
it's the dumbest shit ever ketchup versus mayonnaise and a
fight to the death. Brandon collared, Holler at you, boy,
and thanks for that ep level tier, my friend. We
appreciate the cake and the vote of confidence, Adam says,
of course, Nash booked himself to go over COVID clean. Yeah,
fucking you know, shit, I'm fucking a fucking yeah now
paying me enough the fucking job to a disease. You're
talking about covers, cover songs and the art of the cover.
Oh yes, oh yes on the episode because the director
had had done some covers and we sampled those. Williams says,
Mad World was a great cover. But be careful summoning
Donnie Darko around those. I know he kind of wants
it to happen just so he can say that it's
done and never has to think about it ever again.
I do, I do want to just get it done.
William liked Donnie Darko at the time, and Darko and
Chill served me very well for a time. Yeah, I'm sure.
Did I see that with you Donny dark Out? Now? Yeah? Good? Oh?
I good to help people that don't know, it's just
a fucking it's just a you know, it's just it's
a film school. It's a film student movie. You know,
it's that. It's that especially of our generation, like you know,
you didn't you didn't live, you weren't really a film
student unless you loved Donnie dark You saw it. You
had to love it, right, you love it? You had
to fucking love Donnie Darko and I saw it at
the Coolidge Corner Theater. It's a good start and I
loathed it clothed, but it qualifies, and so I feel
like we need to suffer through it Darko and Schille.
He says, But the emo cult that sprung up around
it is awful. Yeah, I wonder how much of Emo
came from that. I mean, I'm sure it was was
before then, because I mean, Donny Darko came out like
while we were in college, right, but it's like two
thousand and two or something, But it's uh yeah, I mean,
but it definitely again it it just again. It's one
of those movies. It's one of those movies that you
just if you're a film student, you had to love.
You weren't allowed to not love it. And I didn't,
So I guess I was never really a film student. Yeah,
that's my takeaway. Austin's back with more Smoke on the
on the COVID movie, which is shot in Texas, is
mentioned by Texas guy. Uh. He says, first of all,
on the cover front, Johnny cash is hurt is another
cover that is completely different than the original. I agree,
and it's a wonderful one. So one of the more
memorable packages they ever did was hurt to Eddie Guerrero
after he passed away. That's a really I've watched that
one a million times. It's a really touching matching of
song to to visuals. There, he says the recurring theme
great musicians can reinterpret great song successfully. Average musicians should
refrain from giving us quote unquote their version. Yeah, I
would endorse that. Yeah, yeah, well again, Yeah. What it
really comes down to is two things is the is
the artist good enough to uh to cover the song?
Are they worthy enough to cover the song? And does
it fit within there that that artist particular style without
you know, is it a good innovation of the song?
That's what really counts, right, and you know, if it's
then you shouldn't do it. We spent a lot of
time trying to piece together just what was the financing
behind this film, like why did anybody find it necessary
to make? What was the deal with the director and
his history? And eventually we landed on it's probably like
a Bible adjacent enterprise and new when sure enough, when
we sat down to watch the COVID nineteen movie COVID
nineteen Invasion. There's like a gratuitous Bible scene right in
the middle of it, where guy's reading the Bible in bed,
and it's like focused. It's a very subtle way of
kind of making it all about God, which doesn't disqualify anything.
It's just you can very easily be fooled into thinking that,
like this was financed because someone thought it was going
to be a terrific action movie, but actually it's sort
of a trojan horse for some of that messaging to
get out there. It always is. Yeah, and I think
the Preston would Baptist Church factored in quite a bit,
didn't it. Yes, Yes, that's what I mean. That's the presumption.
We don't know for sure. Perception rights, it's the not
all the dots connected, but a lot of the dots
were aiming towards that that direction. And Austin says, I
grew up minutes away from that church and knew many
kids that went to their high school. My favorite nickname
used around town for their very large worship hall was
six Flags over Jesus. It is definitely in the vein
of churches. The creators of the righteous Gemstones would have
had in mind, and he says, growing up in Texas,
I can spot a televangelist altright grifter when I see one,
and our boy fits that vibe to a t with
his with his perspective on the things, Steve the homie
out in Ireland. We were talking about how wrestling in
Germany was called catch and how you know, yes, catch
up and catching and all that. Yes, Steve says that
his supervisor and work is French and also refers to
wrestling as z catch, yes, the catch ze catch, as
well as being very dismaded in how many French Canadians
work or worked in WW as they are Yankees with
shit French. That's exactly shit, nothing more European than using
shit as an adjective. You know, it's shit, oh shit.
And he also says that Bruce Pritchard's in his podcast
there's definitely something more personal to Randy never coming back
to w B. Well, we can speculate on that all day,
but that's of course the that's of course a subject
of discussion on that episode as well. When discussing what
could have been with Randy and Austin, Randy and Sean,
you know in these programs that we never got to taste.
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Jorome also backs up that Bretthart used the elbow drop
as a bee finisher because he's seen footage of him
beating Moundie with it at MSG, and he says the
episode that we did were, of course Shawn Michael shines
with Sherry in his corner against Randy Savage, which led
to the second straight episode of US going off on
how incredible Sherry was and how much how pathetic it
is if you don't realize that you know, or how
sad of a state of affairs, it is if she's
kind of forgotten, which I'm kind of afraid she is
kind of a little bit. Yeah, I mean he's definitely not.
She doesn't she's not on the on the Mount Rushmore,
she's not on the pave the way, blah blah blah.
Speech that the women's evolution era and all that they
don't talk about her enough at all. Really, and Jerome writes,
I think rather preciently, this episode really illuminates just how
lucky both Shawn Michael's and Triple H were at having
the right women in their careers. Yeah, no shit, Sherry,
he says, was a huge part of hbka's early presentation.
And China definitely boosted Hunter and ninety seven. And Stephanie
was the final piece in Hunter getting into being seen
as a true main eventor Yep, that's absolutely true. They
have well, Triple H has Mick Foley, China and Stephanie
to think for where he is yep, ye without them,
he is not anywhere close to where he is in
my personal opinion. Matthew writes to us he's loving this
episode the Germany one as a fan from England who
got his first taste of WCW weekly in the mid
nineties from an unexpected source when cable TV first came
New Yorkshire and one of the channels on offer, bizarrely
it was a German sports channel called DSF. My ITV
Region I TV is independent television there in the UK
never showed WCW in the early nineties, so I'd missed
out on that. Then one day, flipping through the cable
channels in nineteen ninety five, I found it WCW. I
quickly worked out the timeslots and never looked back. Like JP,
I had been deprived of the Hogan Hey days as
my fandom started in nineteen ninety one two, So while
WCW audiences were pushing against Holkamania, I was happy to
be finally getting to see a Hulk run on a
weekly basis. So you can imagine how annoying it was
for me when he turned heel By or around the
time of the turn, TNTUK had picked up Nitro, so
I no longer had to rely on DSF for WCW programming.
It is a real nostalgie trip for me, though, remembering
having to navigate a wrestling product in a different language.
I kept the VHS tapes for years of events I
had got from DSF uncensored ninety five, Starkad ninety five,
Clash of the Champions thirty two, Super Brawl six and others.
It wasn't until the UK got the WW network in
twenty fifteen that I finally got to watch these events
with English commentary. Imagine that you have these shows and
it's an in language you don't speak, and you still
watch it. That says something about pro wrestling right there. Yep, yep,
you gotta still watch it, and without the interview segments
being dubbed over. You think some WCW storylines were hard
to follow at times, try following them with the commentator
speaking a language you don't understand. Ah. Later I managed
to get WW from DSF two, which is great because
I didn't have Sky Sports, but I could pick up
raw and the pay per views from DSF for a while.
So for this English wrestling fan, this background in German
wrestling on TV has more significance than you think. Thank
you well, Thank you pal Glad to provide the service
and Glad Ben Soffitt to put in all the work
that he did. It's I'm just fascinated we talked about it,
like the whole idea of what these wrestlers were doing
in the Hasbro era and the Glube era. Yeah. Yeah,
Well we were just kids in America and that was
the extent of our visibility into this thing. And these
guys are going to Japan, they're going to England, they're
going to Germany, they're going to Italy, and they're only
going there. They're all over television in those countries and
it's like the fucking biggest event wrestling fans in those
countries had ever seen. They're flocking to it. Yeah, and
we had no fucking clue back on Home Turf. It's just,
I know, it is it's I mean, I know you
kind of kept things a little quiet because you didn't
want to. You know, you could kind of get away
with doing stuff overseas that you didn't need to explain
on American TV. But it is a shame they never
really kind of talked about it and celebrated more of
the overseas stuff. Yeah, it was kind of there's sort
of such a lag back then. It's like, we talked
about this because you were presenting the matches as they
aired from the Germany shows on primetime. Yes, and it's
not like they shied away from saying it was in
Germany when they aired them. But we're talking months and
months later, and also scattered about not on the same show,
not even some on regular TV, some on Cossum Video, right,
So it's by that point it's like kind of weird
to make a big hullabaloo over a show that's now
three four months old. You know, it's kind of like
just matches presented from many different locations. That was just
what the way they chose to present it. I think
they were sort of bashful about the fact that some
of them are so stale, and some of these matches, yeah,
weren't necessarily fresh in that way. It's a fan.
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need
their candy. It's the lapsed fan. He's a lapsed fan
wrestling podcast with Jack and Jpro.
Speaker 2: We talked about how Papa Shanko came to the ring
on that episode with a smoking skull, and Philip puts
it beautifully. He says, you have opened my eyes stone cold.
Steve Austin truly was the second coming of Papa Shanka.
I don't think we spent enough time talking about that. Yes, yes,
I mean listen, he's the two smoking skulls. You know,
Papa Shango the second coming of Stone Steve Austin, and
you know, uh uh Steve Austin the first the second. Well,
it's like coming up, Papa Shanko. I agree ya first,
I mean double second. Second there it's amazing that it's
really amazing that that Stone Cold Steve Austin is at
the at the very least the third coming of Stone
Cold Steve Austin. That's funny. That's the best part.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm always like thinking, like, what if we ever got
ten minutes with this wrestler, what's the one most lapsed question?
We could ask them, you know, And for Steve Austin,
it probably would be like, do you because Papa Shango
came to the ring first with the smoking skull, do
you think he was the first coming of Stone Cold
Steve Austin? You no, no, you got to do it.
So Steve, here's the thing. So we're just curious. So
do you think because the Warlord was a bald wrestler
with a goatee who wore black trunks, that he was
the first coming of Stone? Calls ee of Austin. And
before you answer that one, do you think because Papa
Shank came down and he was bald with a smoking skull,
that he was the second coming of Stone GOLs dv
Austin and you were the third. I love what you said.
And before you answer that one, that was money, it's
how do you feel about that? How do you feel
that you're not the original? Stone calls Divasus r I
fucking question right there. We talked on the episode about
a European rampage for the Commodore sixty four. Yes, oh, yes,
the PC gaming system back then, one of those RAREBIA
releases that weren't on a regular gaming console. Phil wants
us to know that he had wwa European RAMPI wow
on my Commodore sixty four. It was ridiculously shit. The
C sixty four version was one on one rather than
tag teams, but the roster was the same, with just
one of the tag teams available to be your opponent,
and the choices were odd. Typhoon from the Natural Disasters.
You could play as irs for money Ink Jerry Sacksual
Nasty Boys an animal from the Legion of Doom doesn't
sound like much all thought was put into the that's
awful playability part of it, That's dreadful. Neil has come
to an interesting realization after the episode. A decade of
TLF has taught me one unshakable lesson. Unless Brett Hart
is committing adultery against Julie Sex is not nearly as good.
And he also asks, is Brett Heart the David Hasselhoff
of wrestling? The Berlin wall goes down and it all
changes for these two guys. It's it's you know, it
seems like it. You know, I think I think Brett
and David Hasselhoff should do a tour of Germany together.
I mean over in Germany. It's a thing and they
had it's similar, it's similar, and that like there's this
like completely inexplicable popularity in Germany when they were on
television and equal measure and a whole lot of other
European countries as well, but Germany was the one that
saw this, this particular look, this particular body, this do
you know what I mean? This particular essence is very appealing.
So yes, ridiculous breettheart. A lot of things have been
said about Brett and all of them true, but the
David Hasselhoff of wrestling. I think we and Neil brought
that one uniquely to the table, and I like the
sounds of it. Carlo wants us to know that unt
as we were talking about, means and schlogen, which we
heard a hundred times, means to hit or to strike.
So it makes sense you'd hear that on a wrestling call,
and whiter equals further Okay, so und whiter schlogen means
to continue beating. Wow, going to zip tide one guy
while he busts open the other guy. Whiter schlogen. Okay.
We were learning here slow, but surely we appreciate it.
To keep that one going. Und I love und is
one of my face maybe my favorite German word. And
it's just yeah, it's it's it's so unmistakably because because
like especially when you when you when you kind of
just uh uh, you know, throw it in regular uh language.
It's like you say, here are the natural disasters, earthquake,
ound typhoon and big shout out to to the uh
to the homie who goes by that piece of shithole
Cogan on Patreon. Yeah, he says that the title of
this show, The Germany show sounds like it was created
by Bill Mercer. Rest in Peace, By the way, Rest
in Peace? Did you did you think about making a call?
I was like, you know, well, I didn't even know
until someone. I forget how I found out. I think
maybe even you it was like it was weird. It
wasn't a call. He might have deserved a call. I
don't know. It's hard to tell. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard.
There were ones. Here's the thing. There are ones where
it's there's no dispute. You know, you absolutely it's a
call like when Dusty died, like or when Roddy Piper died,
or when Gene Okerlan died. I mean you have to
call on those guys. Mercer, I mean probably should have
been a call, but yeah, it wasn't. The call is
more there goes your childhood. It's not there goes someone
that we learned to appreciate thirty years after he did
he did his thing. You know, it's like we grew
up on world class. Then then then it's a call. Yeah,
you know, so I think that was kind of where
I came down on it. But but interesting, him and
China are the edge cases. Like do we call on China?
You know? Yeah, yeah, we didn't. I feel yeah, I
mean And also China died in the middle of us
doing something. We were doing something that can be a
factor too, like what circumstance do we find ourselves in
the moment we hear? Right, but yeah, that's something for
the Moat Tier. We do try to share is when
we do get get our act together and do the call,
we try to record them now and share them exclusively
with the Moat Tiers. There's some there's word of us
sharing deaths. I remember one of the fans said, I
found out about the last three wrestling desks from LAPS
fans Patreon before use. That's how LAPS some of our
listeners are that they're not glued to Twitter all day.
They are not, which is a wonderful thing. And if
you know, also, my dad will, my dad will. If
he crosses my dad's path, he'll always send me an
email or a text, yeah saying I sang my condolences.
He can. He gave me condolences on Sydney, didn't he?
Uh No, I think I told him about Sydney, but
he gave me condolences on Like Paul bearer. Okay, sure,
it's so funny, but I think he gave it. I
think what was funny about it was that he gave
it to me like months later. It's like it just
kind of came across his feed right months after it
actually happened. He writes, the title of the show sounds
like it was created by Bill Mercer, WWF German European
Christmas Star Wars, Cotton Bowld, David Carrie, Chris Mike's Suicide
Rampage again nineteen ninety two. It's about this about it,
Joe writes to us. There is a tie place local
to me, and I'm a creature of habit, so I
ordered the same garlic chicken saute. There are some days
where it's just good, but then there are other days.
There are other days, as David Lynch knows, right, yep,
when the meal elevates to something better, and I'm always
chasing that perfect saute when I order That's right. Isn't
that the truth? It's the absolute truth. As we talked about,
you know, David Lynch and his meditations on the perfect
chocolate milkshake and slice of cherry pie and these things
that you think are just these quirky things, he says,
But the universe is in what he's saying. Yes, it
really is, I mean he because you can all relate
to that. Everyone can relate to. That is no matter
where you go, no matter even if it's even if
it's a fast food place, like even if you go
to dunkin Donuts, like this is what I said my example. Well,
get ready, Pap, Pap has got one on that right
here there, there is a perfect you know. It's like
I know when I've had a perfect dunkin Donuts coffee.
I know that flavor. I know exactly what it is.
I don't know why it is the way that it
is and why it's so hard to land on right,
but it's like it's it's you never know, you never know,
he says, Pap does. Duncan is either giving you the
best coffee you've ever had in your life or something
that's barely drinkable, and there's no in between, and it's
about a zero point zero five percent shot of you
getting the best coffee. And it's always worth the gamble. Yes,
that's the key. Yes, that's what David Lynch teaches us,
that it's still worth it. You have to keep trying.
That's what you have to do. You have to keep trying.
I still try. I try for the perfect milkshake, you know,
the kind, the kind that makes you come after right.
I love ejaculation, love it. The feeling of coming is
the greatest. Yeah, it's funny, David. I think you have
a lot of company in that respect. Not one of
your more controversial statements. Oh God, bless the man. God
bless the man. Lots more to come. He is now
firmly ensconced and lapsed care. I don't think an area
show is going to go by where we're not going
to hear from him a little bit. And that's a
testament to the work boss Man brought to us on
the Twin Peaks Cinemat journey. Still find myself when I
all of a sudden stumble upon some empty space in
my day, which is very rare, I'm like, should I
put blue velvet on? Do I dare? I know? I
know I'm gonna do it eventually, I don't know when.
Because of the Twin Peaks Journey under the Cinemat, I'm
going to do it. I'm still I'm I'm mustering up
the courage to do a lost highway, just to fucking
oh yeah, just to get that uh, just to just
just to put context in that fucking horrifying Robert Blake scene,
to totally that that scene is still man, it's still
with me, it's still with me. Just just the idea
that that that there's somebody who's you're talking to you,
right in front of you, who's also at your house.
It's horrifying. Oh yeah, Well, what was the other one? Egg?
What was it? What was the other David Lynch movie?
We'll get to it. Someone had written to us about
how people like walked out of the theater in the movie,
or or he heard from his parents that people walked
out of the movie theater because it was so incorrigible.
So Lynch, so Lynchy. Yeah, Zach writes, to the point
about observing the small things is, you know what, there
is something sobering to know if you truly observe your
own life, you will only get the best version of
your favorite things a handful of times if you're lucky.
Ain't that the truth? Yep? Ain't that the truth that
I mean? That's that's what we chase, Yes, and that's life.
That's not an indictment on anyone's character. That's that's not
a flaw, that's a feature. That's that's life is chasing that,
because if you're gonna chase that, then you're just you're
just twistling in the wind, right, I mean, you know
you you want That's what That's what always makes certain
things so special is that you do you want to
keep You want to keep going back to You want
to think you have something that you can look forward to, right,
but really you're just hoping that it's the same thing
you remember, and so rarely is it. But it serves
to confirm that when it landed, it landed man, because
I would I would rather have had those three perfect
cups of coffee and chase it for the rest of
my life that have never had those cups of coffee. Yep,
I agreed. You know what I'm saying. It anchors you,
It gives you, gives you like, all right, Well, if
the chips fall a certain way, this could be another
one of those perfect days. And we only have a
handful of those two where everything's in rhythm. You never
get bored, but you never get over over busy. You
take advantage of the of a beautiful day. You know
what I mean. You're with people you love. It's that
those rhythms are tough to catch, man. You had to
catch those waves, and and you've got to try to
make that day happen again the next day. Yep. And
it probably won't, but you gotta have that. You got
to have that that true north that you're going towards.
It's got to come from within you. You can't be
looking for it to other people, you know. So yeah,
David Lynch, I guess that is what I'm trying to say. Hmmm.
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piece of shit, Hulkogan writes again, MTV reminds me of
that local mall that was hopping twenty to thirty years ago,
but now it's just a barren wasteland filled with novelty stores.
You've been in the mall lately, My god, what's happening
out there now?
Speaker 5: We?
Speaker 2: I mean, uh, it's a blood bath it's a blood bath. Yeah,
nothing is sacred. There's you know, it's kind of funny.
I don't know the mall situation. I've noticed you've either
got great mall, a great mall, or you've got an
absolutely awful mall. That's just that's it. On the verge
of death. Everyone used to be able to have a
local mall that was of a certain caliber, you know,
in your area, not necessarily in your town or in
your city, but right within driving distance, magnificant mall of
significant vitality. And now there is one in your state. Yeah, two,
two or three one. You know, you've got a couple.
It just yeah, you've got a couple here and there,
and the other ones are just hollowed out forever twenty
ones that have been converted into like ballpit play places
that that are the size of your fucking garage. And
the rest of people just like walking around like aimlessly, aimlessly.
There's nothing to buy, there's nothing going on. Everything they
have is already on their fucking doorstep anyway, everything they
want rather is already on their porch waiting to be opened.
Just walking down. He's just like a lost souls. Yes,
that's where there's so little good. As you know, we're
trying to point it out. We're trying to put you
up on game, folks. Empty fucking just empty storefront. It's
just faded retailers, cornerstone retailers, the ones you thought that
would fight through anything like you just look at the
seers now and you want to cry. You know, I'll
tell you. I'll tell you what. There's a mall nearby,
and I'll tell you. You know it's bad. You know
it's bad when the movie theater goes out of business. Oh,
and that's what happened, And now you're sitting on a
future top golf I would say, right. You know, usually
movie theaters are the are the things that keep malls
alive these days because at least there's the movie theater.
But when the movie theater closes, you stop and realize
no one fucking gives a shit, no one, no one
cares at all. Nobody is safe, that's right. Yeah, Oh,
isn't that right? No one is safe from Kim Wood either,
Oh not at all. He's a fucking beast. Take Tickled
Pink to see how that one landed over on unheard
Oh yeah. As we got into the four plus hour
interview that the former Cincinnati Bengals strength coach and adviser
to Brian Pellman during the height of his manipulative abilities
pitting Vince and Eric against each other in ninety five
and the contract negotiations, the thing reality challenge, the things
he fucking should, the truths that he laid bare and
wasn't afraid to speak to those cameras h Fixed Sports.
I want everyone to know and listener, land, I had
no idea that boss Man had the chamber loaded like that.
No clue hit him again, Fixed Sports hit him again,
Fix Sports, Reality challenged. They're all whores, he said. The
boys in wrestling are reality challenged. Oh God, camera with
the most pregnant pause you've ever not heard, I guess
un Oh And as the homie Tom writes, what an
incredible episode. Definitely the best dark sid unheard yet. And
that's saying something one thing I thought might be worth noting,
especially given the Solar Systems familiarity and veneration of Terry funk.
I think the Funkster was ribbing Pillman with this chain
yourself to the goalpost idea at the Super Bowl m
Because metal detectors started being used to security for the
Super Bowl in nineteen ninety one for the Gulf War,
and we're very much in place in nineteen ninety six
with the Cowboys Steeler's Super Bowl in Phoenix, which if
you don't remember, is where Terry Funk claimed to have
proposed to Brian Pillman that he get in there and
chain himself to the goalposts during the Super Bowl and
the ultimate publicity stunt, and they wouldn't be able to
remove him for thirty minutes, so the TV cameras wouldn't
be able to ignore him, and he'd be a legend
as a result. And that was when he's doing a
loose cannon gammick where he was out there just trying
to do anything he could to get fired basically from WCW.
That was the idea in his head. Pillman Tom Writs
wouldn't have gotten close to the game, let alone the field.
He either would have been barred entry or arrested outside
the stadium. Might have still helped this loose cannon persona
with the wrestling fans, but wouldn't have been a blip
on the radar of the general public, especially back then.
My guess Funk maybe had gotten a little tired of
Pillman's I can work anyone routine interesting hmmm, which I'm
sure it's spilled backstage, and was hoping to give him
a little come up, and its a reminder of who
the real best worker in the business was, or I
am totally off in funk didn't know there were mental
detectors at the stadium and honestly thought Pillman could get
away with that. However, given what we know about Terry's
relationship to Mick and how many times he playfully quote
unquote ribbed his best friend in the business, I think
there might have been a little glint in Terry's eye
as he laid out this plan to Pilman, imagining him
getting put in the paddy wagon well before the game.
Whatever the real story is, here's to kim Wood a
good reminder that if real con men ever got into
pro wrestling, the Carneyes wouldn't have a chance. Fink sports Ye,
that fucking fired down. We've been telling you, We've been
telling you for years. Kim Wood knows. Kim Wood doesn't
have the uh ah, kim Wood's just a fucking general.
He doesn't have the appearances to keep up that prevent
him from saying things like that, noticing things like that,
it's money, so fucking angry, so angry that it's No,
it's money. No, it's a fucking a fucking line. It's money.
You know what, Kim your god, damn right, it's money.
Speak that truth. And like I said in the episode,
if you're in the business and you hear him and
you like roll your eyes, don't be madd he's talking
about you. Don't be madd He's talking about you. Ye,
Scott wants us to know. On Nomeo and Juliet, Oh
my god, signed up and it's going way back in
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he's finally getting into the Roger Moore at once. He
says he's been putting it off but cannot wait to
drop the knowledge he obtains on Roger Moore on my
eighty three year old mom. Oh boy, miss Midge older,
he writes in the Chairman, and thus was old enough
that was able to take me to three of these
Roger Moore ones. At least one was preschool era or
kindergarten half days, all at an inappropriate age. She loved
Roger Moore. We sat Mattine's Month's replays at the Cheap Theater.
The matinees were enjoyed after ice cream at the Woolworth's
Food Kiosk at Westland Mall, Burlington, Iowa. I wish I
had more specifics, but I was like six years old.
My brother had several versions of a cool Lotus submarine
car merch, but he didn't get this special Bond movie
viewing treatment. I had a matchbox James Bond Harvercraft. Ooh,
it's easy to see how Octopus's red spandex clad army
segued seamlessly into my love of pro wrestling, perhaps even
explains my inexplicable love of red speedoclad Heel Paul Orndorf
for White cheered in late August eighty six at the
rosemonta Rizin versus Hogan for my eighth birthday. I was
offered anything else but shows fake fighting as a birthday present.
That tape is lost, but I assume the Toronto Big
Event match is very similar. I haven't seen the more
Bonds in forty plus years, but I've haunted by the
clown Double oh six getting killed ever since. Oh god, yeah,
so just no your efforts, Boss, put that back on
the table for him forty years later. Love it. That's
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I want to let you know that I am registered
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Thank you both. I think speak for both of us,
boss when we say go get that fucking shit to
go fucking do it? You know what I mean? Yep,
that's why it's worth it, because we're in your ears
when you're doing things that are actually useful. When I
hear about video podcasting, I've probably been in this rant before. Yeah,
it's like, who wants the listener that sits there and
looks at the video all day? I know, don't you
want the listener who's actually engaged in something else, like productive?
They probably have money, not to say that's the only
reason you want a listener. Bless the listeners that are
broke can still dive into our ship. We love that too, Yep.
But I just don't understand what what advertisers see in
video versus audio. To me, it's like audio is I
mean good with just pure audio that means they're serious
people most likely, or maybe not. I don't know, especially
because you know and and I mean two things number one,
you know, and and and and and listen. I mean,
I think I think it worked a little bit better
for Unheard because we had the video footage of the interviews.
But it's it's generally not interesting, like because normally it's
just like, I don't know, it's just like a weird conversation.
It's not done in a in a it's just an
interview usually or just a discussion. And I don't know,
I just don't find it interesting to see. I'm surprised
so some of the people insist on it, you know, yeah,
because they really do. I mean, we saw that we
did audio only for first season if Unheard, and every
other fucking social comment was where's the video? I need
the video, need the video? Give them the video, and
they're like, oh, fuck, these guys, where they that's the
best part. I love it? Oh my god, yeah, it
goes what one of them then, one of the most
recent ones, just fucking I love this ship. A guy says, uh,
better if we just showed the clips or something like that.
Oh yeah, he said, Uh, this would be farm. This
is three days ago. Three This would be far much
more interesting and watchable if it was just the kim
Woods footage. These these three quote hosts unquote are unnecessary
and unbearable, unnecessary and unbearable. That there's our epitaph right there.
I'll tell you what exactly on the headstone. Listen. I
I thrive on being unnecessary and unbearable. That's right, And
the coffers and the coffers say it pays to be
such right. But now when you hear that, it's like, yeah,
I kind of I know where you're coming from, because
when I see someone's face, all think about is their
fucking face. And then you get into this incredibly shallow,
like you know, experience where it's like paying attention. I'll
tell you this too. You wouldn't get you wouldn't get
the the I just we couldn't. I couldn't do it
for that long. What the fuck are you serious? Exhausting
six hours of video? That's impossible.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 2: It is exhausting. It's a very very it's an exhausting experience.
It's a whole different level because you got to be
on like beyond you're using, you're burning calories. You know,
you're burning, you're using muscles you don't use when you're
just talking, because you're just constantly aware of what you're saying,
what you look like, and where you're facing. It's just
such a it's such a vapid thing. It's so fucking like,
you know, can't we can't we make space for something
other than constantly being on camera all the time right
in this American life. I I just yeah, for me,
I just don't. I don't. I don't, I don't. I
never watch video podcasts because unless I'm I'm using it
for research, I just I don't care. And I sure
hope a lot of this, like YouTube is the discovery
think pieces YouTube. I hope people aren't confusing people using
YouTube in their cars and just listening to the audio
even though the video is technically playing or playing a
YouTube video in their laptop while they cubbuts around the
house and they can hear it, but the video is
technically playing. I sure hope they don't confuse that for
signals that video is the way to go when the
only reason it's on videos because it's easy to find
something on YouTube. That's the reason. That doesn't cause videos in,
although advertisers want video to be in because you can
charge more for a video ad than an audio ad.
But that's just that's the same thing as audio. It's
just they're using YouTube, so you assume it's a video
view and it's not. Most people, a lot of people
I think that use YouTube to access podcasts just hook
it up to the car or put it in, put
it in the ears, and they're listening to it just
like they would listening to it on an audio only
platform like Spotify, which also has video now too, of course.
But I don't know. I just it's it's kind of
a weird. It's kind of a weird thing that people
insist on. It's it's curious. And I'll and I will say,
having done all the research for these unheard episodes, having
read through all the transcripts and selected the bites myself,
you do not want a podcast where these guys and
gals are just talking for three hours of raw footage.
You don't want it. It sucks. It's like you need curation. Curation.
There are moments of inspiration, there are moments when they
say things in a crystallized way that that that that
sit in the mind that's the best part, is I
I I would love to see the comments from these
same people watching the uncut ship. Oh they have no idea. God, well,
wont editing. Maybe maybe a little bit of editing. Maybe
maybe someone give me some context. We did that, so
you give you what? You gave you what you wanted.
He said, no, no, you don't want that problem. It
turns out when people say they know what they want,
they're completely fullish. People don't know shit. We know what
you want, and you're not don't know what they want.
What did we say once upon a time, You're not
gonna get get what you want. You're gonna get what
we want. Thank you, Oh will Baber, thank you very
much for your pledge. He gets it. He put that
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before going back to the EP tier, I could no
longer deny what I needed. Mama sorrow is a national treasure,
he says, Yes, thank you for the memories, thank you
for the inspiration, and thank you for wrestling Mammy, and well,
thank you, thank you for the vote of confidence, even
for my dad. Just like oh, he's dumbfounded. Is he dumbfounded? Yep,
because because all all the stuff that like drives him
crazy is all the stuff that everybody loves. That's so funny. Yeah,
it's so funny. There's an audience for the things that
make you want to crawl into a hole and die.
Of course. Amazing, so amazing. Yeah, Well, short bursts, you know,
that's the thing that's you know, you can't overstay, you're welcome,
you can't over play your hand, and things that are
just so endearing in a person can become their absolute
worst qualities if you just spam people with it, like
get the fuck out of here, you know. But now
if you deliver it a nice controlled release, baby, yeah,
that's the ticket. That's the ticket, and that's what we
specialize in. So Neil had some great insight into MTV
and the WWF. We talked about, of course, the marriage
of these two organizations when we cover the nine eighty
six Slammies, which was the final WWF broadcast on MTV
until they came back years and years and years later
for Sunday Night Heat. But it was the end of
that relationship that so catapulted the WWF into a different
Stratosphere the worst out of the score in the Rock
and Wrestling Connection, Neil has a nice little piece on
what it all meant and what MTV meant at the time.
Hello co chairs. During your coverage of the inaugural Islammy Awards,
you both expressed confusion over the end of the working
relationship between MTV and the w during wrestling's nineteen eighties
boom over the course of many over the course of
many years. I you know, I still you know. Whenever
I play that, I think about the fact that what
you said is from a random piece of video from
a nineteen ninety one Yes news piece about Twin Peaks,
and in fact, that guy saying huh, like where is he?
And I want to know who he is. I want
to find him. I wanted him to know that he
is immortalized. Now. That was a Minnesota radio station where
they were taking calls from people who were anticipating the
season finale. Yeah, yeah, and they're talking about like this
guy would have Twin Peaks hour in the morning. He
just talk about Twin Peaks for like an hour or two.
And this guy just water cooler talk in the Twin Cities.
Over the course of many years, I've worked on various
music history projects, and there is admittedly very little spoken
about wrestling and MTV. However, there is a large enough
body of work surrounding the channel's history, and I think
we can piece together what led the we to be
broadcast on MTV, as well as how those same factors
precipitated their exit from the network. Excellent. This is all
admittedly speculative, but it represents my best guess after working
with the available interviews, contemporaneous articles, and written histories across
from multiple projects. Throughout its existence, MTV has been a
land of contradictions that were never resolved to anyone's satisfaction.
Chief among them was their relationship with music videos. Music
videos were the lifeblood of the channel. They gave MTV
a style and an identity that would tracked its earliest audience.
The speed at which everything came to the viewer on
MTV was otherworldly, and the deluge of artfully edited images
and sounds would extend past videos by Prince and Madonna
and permeate the interstitial segments, promos and interviews. The same time,
videos presented the largest existential threat to the viability of
the channel Throughout its history. When it was launched in
nineteen eighty one, MTV's programming department came from rock radio.
From its inception, the guiding philosophy of the channel was
that it would be the equivalent of televised FM radio station.
Of a televised FM radio station emanating from New York
City with its staff plugged into the city's vibrant taste
making music scene and co opt it to become trendsetters themselves.
They would be able to see the latest acts in
music firsthand, anticipate the next breakout stars before they made
it big, and provide a unique audio visual presentation that
was foreign to music to music fans in the early
nineteen eighties. I've spoken with a lot of people who
were around for the launch of MTV, and they described
the surreal feeling of seeing acts that they could only
visualize through pictures and magazines coming to life before them.
I don't think we can appreciate how earth shattering that
transition was for the first generation yeah to watch music
videos unless we were there to witness it. It's useful
to think of MTV in those early years as being
similar to Ted Turner's TVs. Turner felt that the world
would fall in love with the culture of Atlanta, and
that if TBS reflected that way of life, that outsiders
would also be smitten by the charms of their city.
In the same spirit as Turner, If MTV could bring
the New York City music scene in nightlife to a
wider audience, they would have accomplished their goal as the
country's first musical and national music out However, since MTV
modeled itself at their NETSM radio station, they were going
to bring radio problems with them to television. Every audience
survey conducted by MTV showed an unnerving reality that when
viewers hit three or four music videos that they didn't
care for, they would change the channel and usually not
return for an extended period. This is a common challenge
in radio and why arbitron ratings are measured. As a
listener tuning in for five minutes during a fifteen minute interval,
radio stations expect you to frequently turn the dial. It's
a challenge built into the medium, and programming directors have
devised a variety of well worn tricks over the years
to keep their audience listening, whether it's a call in contest,
an interview, with a music star or ad free music blocks. However,
those tactics only work if you are competing against other
radio shows. Maybe your station has the challenge of retaining
its audience for more than a few minutes, but so
does everyone else and down and down the dial. MTV's
competition didn't have those problems. They were up against all
manner of television game shows, sitcoms, network dramas, local news, sports,
et cetera. Shows people were going to tune into longer
than five or six minutes. MTV tried to package videos
in unique ways over the years that were similar to
the programming tactics of radio stations, guest celebrity vjays, specialty
genre blocks, contests, etc. But none of them met with
more than a limited amount of success. Music videos defined MTV,
but they were also their biggest obstacle. It cannot be
overstated that what a frustrating problem audience retention was for MTV,
and in its early days, most acutely, the channel's advertising
department was dismayed by the prospect of selling a grab
bag of shorts listed as quote, music videos unquote, and
TV guide with audience viewership habits that were that were
that unpredictable. Perhaps advertisers could buy into the broader concepts
behind them TV, but where were the shows? Where was
the stability? Growing up, I was a big Buffy the
Vampire Slayer fan, and even though it never got the
kind of ratings that the big network dramas and comedies enjoyed,
advertisers were impressed and how loyal its audience was. Through
cast shakeups, network changes, and controversial creative decisions to directions,
Buffy consistently drew sevens and eights in the Nielsens. Between
four and six million viewers watched the show religiously every week,
and we're not easily dissuaded from tuning in next week.
While networks love big ratings, they love predictability even more
because it gives you a lot of goodwill with potential
sponsors when you can deliver a clearly defined and consistent audience.
And it's why we're in this situation we're in now
where Nielsen's tried and true method, as Neil talks about,
of not trying to give a show credit for people
that come in and out, or at least not trying
to lose people that come in and out, you know,
kind of giving an average of a fifteen minute quarter
hour to account for the fact that people switch around
a lot. Now we're in a situation we're streaming. All
they want to say is just a viewer number, accumulative
view number, and no one knows what that means. I mean,
they kind of do, but they don't know how Netflix
precisely goes about it, or how Max goes about it,
or how Hulu goes about it. Is it a view
if you hit play on a tablet? Is it a view?
If you hit pause and hit play again? Is it
a view? If your screen buffers and reconnects. Is it
a view if you stop, go to the kitchen, and
then hit resume when you come back from the home screen.
It seems to be. It seems like all these things
are counted as views, and it matters if it doesn't
matter if you change the channel. It kind of matters
what happens, what your IP address records you doing on
the device throughout the course of the thing, and then
suddenly you're one person and your five views. And the
Nielsen system that he's describing was designed to guard against that,
so you didn't have a situation where one person was
being double triple quadruple counted for coming in and out,
and you guarded against that by the fifteen minute average.
You guarded against also the possibility that six people are
in the room watching the show, and you shouldn't get
credit for just one viewer, you should get credit for six.
That's why there's the panel style research approach where people
fill out the arbitron rating sheets and literally agree to
be measured households that are statistically significant for the area
and have the demographic makeup where you could say this
household is representative and we can extrapolate from there how
many people of a similar constitution were watching the show
at this time as well. It's that convoluted because the
alternative is just to say this person watched. It's like, oh, yeah,
did he really? Because I'm paying a lot of money
for this ad, you're telling me he watched. I have
no idea if he got to my ad or not,
So how am I supposed to pay you? Here we are, though,
right back to before all these innovations and all the
currency of this marketplace was established, and everyone's taking advantage
of it, right, and no one wants to let Nielsen
under the hood on streaming they don't want to do it.
They don't give a fuck they need to. Just you pay,
you pay what we tell you it costs. That's how
it's working right now. No third party to verify if
people are actually watching or not. We need we need
a Hey, I might just shed the magic word. Get
me in there. All third party the shit out of them.
Absolutely absolutely. I love third party as a verb. I
love it. It'll probably take a it'll probably take an
Act of Congress. Literally, I wish they fucking would. I
don't know why they don't, but I wish they fucking would.
I mean, I think it's it's important. I mean, you know,
it's in many ways they the streaming. It's out of
control with with I mean, I only speak from my
own experience because of the fact that that streaming shows
make give me way less money than shows on actual television.
And intuitively, you know that actual television is declining medium,
that millions and millions less people have cable every year,
and that streaming is where it's at, and that's where
all the eyeballs are in the next wave demographically that's
coming through. Like we got to figure this out. Like
it doesn't make any sense that you're getting paid more
and from a declining medium than one that has all
the upside on it. Right, But it's because it's exactly
what you're saying, is the fact that there's not an
objective party looking at it. It's all internal and they
release whatever numbers they want to release. And they also
you know, like, well, you know, yes, you know, we
had this us this show had fifteen billion views over
its first few weeks. But you know it's you know,
it's relative because it's you know, it's not really fifteen
billion views, because that's just you know, these are the
things that happens. So we really you can't get paid
like you think you should, right exactly fifteen because fIF
because here's the thing, fifteen billion views isn't fifteen trillion views.
Maybe we get to fifteen trillion, we can talk business,
but right now, these are just the things that you know,
of a delicate nature. And advertisers are to blame too,
because if they would just say, nope, no money for you,
Amazon Prime until you give us the full transparency and
meant it, if Netflix ads business can get off the ground.
Until they insisted on that level of transparency they were
accustomed to they'd eventually release the numbers because the wouldn't
want to pass up that money. They're all doing an
ad play now, they're all inserting programmatic in there. It's
all AD supported now to some in some tiers, but
now just oh well, I feel my feels like we're
hip if I'm on a streaming if I'm in streaming inventory,
so you tell me, you name your price so that
i can feel like I'm doing my job because I'm
on Hulu even though I have no fucking idea if
anyone even saw the ad, no fucking clue. They'll spit
me out a report that says someone saw the ad,
but they're greating their own homework all day, which is one.
It's one thing when it's like a you know, fucking
banner ad for a twelve dollars toy from China. You know,
it's one thing to let Facebook tell you how many
people saw it. But when we're talking like NFL football games,
you're not gonna give me a break Fox. We need
the full breakdown and the public needs to be able
to access it then exactly, you know you gotta pay
Nielsen to get the full granularity on the on the
tail I'm not saying that, but it needs to be
generally circulated. How many people are watching these shows? If
you are not to defraud the advertiser, you know, and
therefore defraud the public in a way. You know, it's
like you're inflating the cost of advertising so much that
like only people that are selling the absolute premium products
can afford it. It says, who, Well, how do we
know that many people are watching it? You know, it's
it's a weird deal we're in anyway, continue, where was
the here?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 2: Okay? MTV needed the same level of audience stability. Unfortunately,
when they launched the channel, it was with a skeletal budget.
The music videos were paid for by the labels and
given MTV at no charge. The arrangement was identical to
how radio stations received promotional copies of new records. Why
would MTV need a production budget when the labels shouldered
the bulk of the expense. Uh. Nevertheless, MTV needed ratings
and last and fast to keep the their ship afloat
in the in their early years. Additionally, it had to
be with programming that and that an outside production company
would pay for and be willing to sell to the
channel at minimal cost. It would help if that programming
originated from New York City to reflect the channel's tightly
honed image in presenting to their audience the city's nightlife.
If they could get a critically acclaimed pop star with
origins in the NYC club scene, like say Cydney Lauper,
it would be even closer in keeping with MTV's image.
More than anything else, it had to be the programming.
It had to be programming with a loyal, built in
audience who could be counted on to find MTV on
the dial and stay there for an extended period, something
that could calm the sponsors who already had one foot
out the door on the MTV experiment. For MTV, the
World's entertainment was uniquely suited to tick all these books
very interesting well, I don't dispute the involvement of Dave
Wolf in helping to broker this arrangement. It appears from
all available evidence that it was fueled by MTV's desperation
for cheap, original content more than their enthusiasm to pro wrestling.
We saw a version of this story play out when
SmackDown started on UPN and nine. Paramount was running a
critically reviled and commercially disappointing second tier startup network, and
desperately needed a show that could penetrate ratings, generate penetrate brother,
generate ratings with a consistent audience. The we swooped in
gave it to them. Even though the arrangement helped both
ww and MTV, it was cattle. It was catalyzed by
MTV's vulnerabilities in creating original programming. If MTV had if
MTB ever found itself doing well, things would get complicated.
While Wendy Richter and the The Fabulous Mullah were wrestling
on MTV in nineteen eighty four, something incredible was happening.
For a brief but sustain time, music videos caught fire.
Michael Jackson, Madonna, Duran Duran, Bruce Springsteen, Prince George, Michael
Van Helen, and many others put out videos that year
which the youth of America ate up. This led to
an avalanche of new revenue from advertisers and record viewership.
When viacomfirst announced their purchase of MTV in late nineteen
eighty five from Warner MX, they were impressed enough by
the network's popularity in that revenue in eighty four to
give MTV a larger operating budget and a mandate to
create original programming for the network in house. The artists
who set nineteen eighty four on fire wouldn't have new
music for a while, and the continued popularity of videos
could not be guaranteed past that landmark year. We need content,
that's right. Amidst the success was the palpable threat that
hung in the air that MTV would regress back to
their pre eighty four slump if a new generation of
acts didn't resonate as well with their audience. With all
these factors at the forefront of conversations at the network,
it was time for MTV to create their own shows
and play a bigger hand in controlling their destiny. The
nineteen eighty six Slammys landed at an awkward time for
the rock and Wrestling connection. MTV was on our new
ownership and with a robust budget to create new programming
slated to launch nineteen eighty seven. While it's not clear
what Viacom thought of thee being on MTV, it was
apparent that the channel would not be in the we's
debt going forward. Yes, this is still a window at
eighty six where original ww programming and benefit will benefit
the network. But Vince McMahon is very much a dead
man walking on this broadcast. I don't know if he
can sense the winds changing, but there is a palpable
desperation on the slammis broadcast to do anything to impress
a channel that ones needed him very badly, but was
now on the cusp of bigger things, not a position
Vince ever likes to end up in. So I'm always
the bigger man. I should buy MTV. I made MTV.
I made MTV. I made MTV into an entertainment conglomerate.
That's your question, pal, what do you think the M
stands for McMahon McMahon Television. Yeah, I can actually see
like some regional broadcaster called McMahon Television. They are, oh yeah,
for sure, twelve NBC affiliates and Greater Lexington, Kentucky McMahon
and Television Corporation. That's pretty funny. Well, yeah, great stuff, Neil,
Thanks very much for that essay. That's very insightful and
gets us a little closer to understanding why the WWFMTV
relationship went up and down so quickly. It just flamed
right out, and I can confirm that trying to get
some color from an MTV people on why it ended
is not easy. Okay, folks don't necessarily want to talk
about being reliant on WWF or why it stopped working.
I think so. I think folks would rather talk about
other things in their career than how they had to
ride the WWF tiger for a couple of years to
stay relevant. Christian a long time bad rock of the
Lapsed Fan Solar System. Day one motherfucker has a wonderful proposal.
He calls it Boss the Lapsed Fan Summer Pilgrimage. Oh boy,
go chairs. As the summer approaches on ten years of Lapsed,
I'm reflecting on how we are loyal Congregation of the
Church of Lapsed can pay o much to the greatest
award winning college podcast in the industry. We tithe, we
give testimony, we offer praise in worship through the Lapsed jukebox.
We even proselytize to wayward souls lost in the wilderness
of modern www bullshit. We tell the stories, we sing
the songs. We give of ourselves not because we expect
a just reward and the hereafter, because we know we
will get our just serving of pain right here on
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the Mighty Army of Jericho and no Nut, Chris has
openly served your hearts of zeal and zealous minds. We've
beaten down the doors where people have attempted to walk
us out. We've evacuated the Mongols and moondogs two and
like the Christian Emperor Constantine, we've carried the banner of lapsed,
which proudly reads in this sign conquer m. This is
why I'm coming to you with a way for us
to take it one step further, to be as our
Muslim brothers and sisters are true to the faith. I
submit to you the annual Lapsed Summer Pilgrimage. Throughout the summer,
every lapsed fan, if able, will visit at least one
site of historical significance to the era when it used
to be better. There are many meccas and many city
civic centers as well, and so I propose we create
a list of the definitive lapsed UNESCO World Pro Wrestling
Heritage sites.
Speaker 8: Boss.
Speaker 2: That's the notion you heard it here. First. The rules
are simple. Each member of the solar system may travel
to at least one venue or location throughout the summer.
Take a picture of the place and report back on Twitter.
At the end of summer, a list will be made
of the lapsed Genesco World Pro Wrestling Heritage sites, forever
marking the top locations representing why it used to be better.
Guidelines One no building venue from the twenty tens e g.
Anything built a renovated prier to two thousand and nine.
Two must have at least one significant moment in wrestling history.
Three can't include locations. Can include locations where studio wrestling
or house shows were filmed slash took place, for example
w R Alan Raleigh, the studio Allentown, PA. If it's
still standing, et cetera. While we went we went yep
in the Fairal House now Intown. It's still there and
it's a great example of what you're talking about. Christian
for a wrestling nay forty we stopped by Hamburgen Ringers
roosts for a a blt oh. Four must include a
selfie no stock photo and the sense of nasty sensation
as well. And four must include a selfie no stock photos.
So in the words of the late Pete Rose. How
about it, Christian. I love the idea. I love it
for a lot of reasons. One because you can trust
the labs fan solar system to find the cations that
no one else would find significance in. That's one thing. Yeah,
we're not just talking about taking a picture of Madison
Square Garden here, although that certainly belongs. I would actually
urge you to get into the concourse and find the
whole Cogan exhibit, right boss, or maybe even the gym,
the Jim Londo's one. Yeah, Yeah, that's what I would.
I would say, you know, find the wrestling photos in
the picture like wall of fame that circles around the
main concourse. That's what I would do. Great idea. Love it.
Or if you can get on the suite level and
find the picture of Hogan and mister t and Liberaci, yes,
great one. Go take a picture of the hotel in
Minneapolis where the Minneapolis Boxing and Wrestling Club is headquartered
and where the lady answered the phone wrestling office as
depicted in nineteen seventy four as the wrestler, And we're
vern fucking cut deals and cut checks and book talent
and collected his percentage. Let's see these places, Let's know
what they look like. Let's find a I think there's
a statue of Bruno in Pittsburgh or a plaque somewhere
where you used to live. Got to see that. You're
all over the place, if you're within the sound of
our voice. We know the geographic diversity of the listenership,
not only across the United States but across the world.
Is Steve in Ireland not going to go find the
dano O Mahony statue for us? I think he is.
I think he is. I think it's a fair ask
who can find the Easter ragg picture of the chic
and Fenway Park? I challenge you, it's there. Can you
find it? I know where it is. Let's fucking go.
I love the idea, Christian. It's a wonderful idea, and
it's wonderful not only because it's brilliant, but because we
are the only podcast with a listenership capable of executing
on us in the way it needs to be executed upon.
And so we're not even bashful about broadcasting to the
world the notion the second you put it on the table,
and long may you share the credit? So love the idea.
Let it be the summer of Laps in your travels.
If you find your place vacationing somewhere where any wrestling
history took place, find a way the homie Blake. He
sent us pictures of the Von Eric's grave site dabllas.
You know what I mean. These are things that I
never would have laid eyes on if not for enterprising
members of the Solar System showing us, leading us to water,
so to speak, so we can drink. So love the
idea and let it be a summer of lapsed and
let it long made continue. You can't find the Silver
Dome anymore, unfortunately, although I know it's probably there's probably
some vestige of it left. Yeah. Yeah, Chris, long standing,
rock solid member of the Solar System rights drafting a
legal document and literally had to specifically distinguish between tax
forms filed for traditional employees and independent contractors. Your motors
needed a refresher. Your motor, this motor he's talking about himself,
needed a refresher on the mechanics. So what did he
consult as an obvious source of truth on the matter.
Kevin Nash Shoot interview. Yes, that's Laps, absolutely that's lapsed.
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Then me put Paradise Alley up. It was part of
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It happened. We did be on the mat in the
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thank you, he writes. Why is the concept of loading
something i e. A boot, a glove or a purse
so funny?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Because I mean, can you help us with this, boss.
I mean, I mean, just think about the idea that
it's loaded. Is it nachos, baked potato? I mean, what
are you putting in a boot that makes it loaded?
You know? Are you are you feeling it with cement?
Is it loaded with like the purses have a brick
in them? Usually? Right? But like why is the is
you know, the loaded the Haliburton briefcase. You know, as
there's the idea of loading something and the fact that
I mean, I guess what really makes it even funnier
is that it's as it's it's still easy to pick
up no matter how loaded it is and swing it
full speed, you know, right, you know, you can still
just toss it like a like a like a pebble
and name something even though it's loaded. Name something you
could toss like a pebble that would hurt more if
it hit someone in the head than if you just
had this right. I mean, if you think about it,
it's like, okay, if you're gonna if you get to
actually load something so that it hurts somebody more, you
have to put a lot of shit in to make
it and to make it really heavy, not just a
little It's funny. A thin film strip of steel in
the in the mask, you know, to add to that
head button, right right, hilarious, It is funny. Loaded boots
are fucking hilarious. Loaded. Give me a loaded full of shit,
is what it is. Load. Yeah, Actually a lot of
these guys get loaded after the shows. We said earlier
and at the credit here goes to Josh. Josh is
the one that linked us up to the Austin versus
Savage WCW match. So I wanted to throw appreci his way. Appreac.
That's a new one, Chad Kroeger. Yeah, I just want
to sho appreached to Mondays. Now I know you're thinking, Chad,
she appreached to Mondays. Cobra Jones, thank you very much
for your meaty pledge. We appreciate the cake. Andrew, who's
a great supporter of the fucking cast Mabel Toys Rocking
and Rolling right, we're talking, oh yeah, oh yeah. He's
friendly with Larry's Abisco. He has talked about this over
the years, and we were talking on our World War
three nine ninety six episode what about Larry? What was
he thinking when the barbarian was laying into Lee Marshall
at ringside and what appeared to be an unscripted attack
where Lee Marshall suddenly was thrust into the position of
having to sell for a monster pro wrestler and still
somehow commentate the the Battle Royal. Unfortunately for us, well,
fortunately for us, Andrew was able to ask Larry. Unfortunately
for us, Larry had no recollection whatsoever course of the
whole thing. But I felt that it was worth reporting
back because Android made the effort. And he also urges
you to check out Larry's Obisco's song. I don't know
if you know that there was a Larry's Abisco song. Boss.
Do you hear anything about this? No, there's a We'll
come up on it later too. Someone linked us to
a great compendium that someone had created on a website
of like wrestling related albums, and there's like a hundred
of them on there. It's like there are so many
of these novelty things along the lines of the wrestling album.
And we spent a lot of time getting into getting
into the wrestling album. Uh and and kind of it's
pre its precursors when we did the Slammy Show and
all of the things that you know, all all the
things that that fit that category. I'm trying to find
here it's a Bisco's song. I'm not going to find it,
I don't think. But it's called boo on me. If
you want to try to find it on us.
Speaker 1: He's a laps fall wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
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wants you to know that. Coincidentally, twin Peaks is also
the name of a sleazy hooter's knockoff restaurant, Chaine Twin
Peaks Restaurant dot com. Boss. Well, I mean, hey, let's
do it makes less sense as fan Marv. Great to
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He says, if being excited by nine hours on a
movie isn't a clear indication that I have a problem,
there is no problem, and that's exactly correct. Logan writes,
thank you for taking this journey into David Lynch. His
work was a blind spot for me, so it's been
great learning about him. I've seen all his movies now,
and on season three of Twin Peaks, I highly recommend
to The Straight Story. It's a heartwarming and very well
acted story of a seventy three year old man determined
to make amends with his brother, with one hilarious scene
that reminds you it's a Lynch movie. My favorite of
his would be Blue Velvet. However, I still think of
that movie over a month after seeing it. Also, the
original pilot for mohalland Drive is up on Internet archive
if anyone is interested in watching it is Doctor, which
again is basically the same movie. For those who who
you know, listen to the Twin Peaks episodes. Basically is
the same movie, but without the female uh kind of
love angle love angle, right, Yeah, so much, so much
more to learn about David Lynch. But you know, the
Twin Peaks connections were there, from some indies doing Twin
Peaks gimmicks to of course the Brazan Goo and Tyler
Breeze doing the Twin Peaks knockoffs gets on raw. So
we had we had the connections we needed for that
that stop. We mentioned the PayPal tip jar option earlier.
Zach who just supports us in every way you can imagine. Also,
uh gave us at a boy at the conclusion of
the David Lynch tribute, sending us some cake and saying
for the coachairs to give themselves the present of one
slice of pie or a milkshake. We'll take We'll take
up on that one of these days. Well, we'll have
it and we'll show it to you. Yeah. William wants
to know. Well first, he says, I'm proud of the
Solar System for not spoiling the killer in Twin Peaks,
and I love JP for the cliffhanger. Well done, sir.
Did you actually tell Jack or did you leave him
hanging as well? I told him, I did tell him.
I cut you know. I don't he I even told
you I cut that out of the episode. Oh shit,
see I thought that made the episode. No, I decided
to cut it out. I had no idea that about that.
That's huge, What a great thing to talk about. Then here, Yeah,
I I I I was. I got right to the
point where I was about to say, and then I
put the the montage on. I had no idea. Yeah,
because you told me after we finished the movie in
a way that still sounded like you were on. You know,
we were on.
Speaker 8: We were on.
Speaker 2: I mean, I recorded that was it. That was a
decision afterwards. That was a decision, as I was probably
why did you make that decision? Because I think people
should see it? Yep, I think people should see it
for themselves. I think it. I think it. It just
it's such a revelation that it it's it's just amazing.
It's amazing revelation. What do they need to know about
how much more Twin Peaks they have to watch? If
you want to divulge that even to get that, you
just got to get through to find out, You've got
to get about maybe a third of the way through
season two. Okay, And I hope the theme song doesn't change, no,
no at all, no im faces of the name absolutely, man.
I mean, if that wasn't in my head, I put
it on the car once. It's so great. I realized
that's a great, great piece of music. I actually, you know,
it's funny. After I watched that the whole thing the
first time back in two thousand and whatever, I I
bought the soundtrack album. Wow, I bought the soundtrack album,
so I got all that music, all that great Angelo
Badam and oh God disusing it. Boom boom boom the waterfall. Ah,
it's beautiful, Oh so beautiful. And then you have to
hear the whole thing, the whole under the Cinema Lynch
tribute Twin Peaks tribute is worth it to get to
that end where boss Man hits you, that montage to
that music of all the nuggets of wisdom that David
Lynch portrayed and conveyed, I should say, in his time
here on earth, and it is truly a beautiful ending.
So highest recommendation. Tim writes to us son, I'm expected
to you know, honest to God, that was not that
was not on my plan for twenty twenty five, and
amazing how that happens, son of a bitch had to
go and die. Hey, that's another great thing about the
format here. We're flexible.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: We strike when they're it's hot. Yeah, no excuses, clear
the whole deck. We don't give a fuck. All right, fine,
this whole podcast will be about Terry Funk for eight months.
Fuck you, it's right. This whole podcast will be about
TNA in twenty ten. Fuck you, No podcast will be
about SID for eight months. We don't give a fuck.
And that's right. Go fuck yourself exactly, Tim eat shit, Yeah,
you're starting to get there rights to us on our
World War three ninety six episode. World War three is
probably the worst gimmick match of all. But as a kid,
I thought they should have simulcast each ring. I imagine
they may have needed to pay cable systems more to
get three channels of pay per view, but maybe put
the three rings on TNT, then hard cameras on each ring,
and put it on the center ring on the main
pay per view ring, then split the others to TBS
and I don't know, CNN, Court TV. There's the thought
you can watch, you choose which ring you watch contained
the stressing Ida that's not bad idea at all, actually,
I mean if you had yeah, yeah, it could be interesting.
Especially with streaming now, I mean it complicates it because
if it's pay per view, you can't just as well
put one of the rings on free TV. But now
you could do it. I remember UFC used to do
that when they used to have before they got in
bed with the ESPN, they used to offer their pay
per views on their own streaming service, like their version
of WW network, and they actually went all out that
you could toggle sound so like during the course of
the fight, instead of listening to the commentators, you could
listen to the corner men shouting the instructions and actually
caught the corner men saying some fascinating things and some
key fights over the years. That was kind of like
an interesting fun exercises to go back and see what
you could piece together just listening to the quarter audio afterwards.
And you could pick I believe you could if I'm
remembering correctly. You could pick camera angles as well. They
did a ton of experimental stuff and it really was cool.
But WW didn't do anything like that. I mean they
would have to get buy in from like Peacock. It's
not like they could just do it. But even when
they had the network, there wasn't there wasn't much fun
you could have, you know what I mean with like
how you took it in and I wonder if that
there's some space for that. Corey Barnett, thanks very much
for your pledge. We appreciate you joining the inner circle
here at tlf on. David Lynch, Carlo Wright. It's all
about trust, after all. Without the trust, David Lynch engenders
he is the definition and exemplar of the pervy, pretentious,
tortured artist gimmick yep. For example, in the middle of production,
he says to his lead actors, I just had a
vision in meditation. I just added eighteen pages to the script.
And by the way, the two of you are going
to have sex nude on camera and you, Naomi, you
are going to lay down and masturbate. And what do
you think about that? Girls? Very tasteful, very safe. We're
going to need a lot of takes to get it right. Wow. Yep,
that's what he did, pretty much what he did, ye Naomi, Naomi,
you gotta keep doing it, keep rubbing the pussy. You
got no farder, the not your the I mean pussy
is offensive enough in that scenario, he says.
Speaker 5: The.
Speaker 2: No, no, harder, harder, Naomi, that is a huge distinction
in life. Like we talked, We've talked about how much
of a difference maker it is when a dick is
out as opposed to end right, how it changes the
entire mood within a twenty minute radius. But similarly, like
the and your huge difference big is or that you
know that is even better, like you know, like you
just said, like you know, touch not your pussy, touched
that pussy. I don't know even like you know, eat
your dinner, eat that dinner, Eat that dinner, Eat the dinner,
eat that dinner. It comes off so much differently. Yes,
William writes, there was a Simpsons episode where Homer is
watching Twin Peaks, sitting on the couch, a piece of
popcorn clenched between his fingers, and he says something on
the lines of this show is amazing. I have no
idea what it's about. That's pretty good, and he remembers
the six cassette box. Is that a Twin Peaks? Yes, Yeah,
that was a that was That was the VHS cassette
they released vs. A VHS box set in ninety five.
First and no, they released the the Laser Disc in Japan,
but then the VHS box set in the State's huge
in so you could get the complete Twin Peaks on
VHS in nineteen ninety five. That's amazing. Yep, all all
thirty up since the earliest I ever heard of something
like that. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I knew movies
move they did that with movies. Yeah, movie, I remember
they did that with the Star Trek, the original Star
Trek movies, but not not TV I don't remember. I mean,
I know they'd have best of you know, or selections
of movies, but not like that, not the whole fun
That's that's a DVD thing exactly. William writes that six
cassette box was what my local video store, which was
called That's re Entertainment had, and was. I was slinging coffee.
This is a great memory. I was slinging coffee at
Espresso Royale. I'd take my tip jar earnings, walk from
the coffee shop a block to the video store, grab
a peeks, then walk two blocks to a Vietnamese takeout,
then walked the last two blocks to my apartment I
was in my early twenties and the late nineties broke
as hell and it was awesome. Amen, man, you put
me there. What a night? What a night in incredible
Chris notices on World War Three nine ninety six. Under
commented by anyone so far was Tony Schiavanni calling heenan
Bob early in the zoo. Yeah, Bob, that's huge with
his contemptuous tone for the brain. We talked about Tony
Penya on an episode and Tom who knows the area
well and World War Three, we talked about him because
Tony Penya was a name that Viano three one under
when he was unmasked when he first came to WCW
and we were like, where is Tony Penya coming from?
Why is that ringing a bell? Tom fills it in,
which is another great use case for the feedback show
and Patrio. Tony Penya was a coach for the Yankees
after his playing days. Was on the two thousand nine
World Series Championship staff. Also, I'm doing a Scar Blaye journey.
We listened and just finish nineteen ninety six earlier this week.
Always grateful for that lapsed serendipity, he writes, as as
boss half remembered per that episode, And this was another
thing that we struggled to recall precisely on the World
War three episode because of course that's the first pay
per view where Bischoff comes out as a heel as
a member of the NYO, having turned on Piper a
couple weeks before, but we couldn't remember, like if they
just had him turn and didn't really explain what the
hell would lead the fucking boss of WCW to join
the nWo side. Per that episode, Tom writes Bischoff had
offered if you can't beat him, join him as his
reason for turning on WCW. Yeah, he basically says, because
we were like, so he let Kevin Nash powerbomba at
Great American Bash just to fool people for six months
before you finally revealed what his grand plan was. But
he goes on to say that apparently, which we have
talked about in the past because we covered it a
bit more on the nose, that he basically said after
that attack from the Outsider, so the Great American Bash,
he realized that he was just fighting an uphill battle
and he had to So he's saying he's basically in
the tank for the nWo. Shortly since, shortly after that
and the Grand Plan revealed itself, and it was on
that Nitro two or around that nitro where he was like,
everyone has to declare their allegiance and everyone has a
twenty four hours or whatever the nWo was saying, everyone
has twenty four hours say if you're with us or
against us or whatever. So Chris, thank you very much
for bumping up your pledge. We appreciate it. Up to
that EP tier. That's that's a big boy move of you,
and we note it and we appreciate it. Adam writs,
considering how many TLF exchanges involve wrestlers transforming into others
or having their CPU meltdown mid sentence, Oh boy, it's
safe to say that the co chairman were lynching for
years before this beautiful tribute. Very true, very true. With that,
send me a related note, he says, I always thought
Chris Isaac looked like a young Randy Orton in Twin
Peaks fire Walk with Me, especially when he beats the
ship out of the Redneck Shriff. Always liked those doppelgangers
around here, ye. Jacob Wright started watching Twin peaks around
the time the Deep Dive started, and I'm loving it.
I'm gonna mis lapsed Lynch. I hope you all finish
the Laura Palmer arc in the future. I actually enjoyed
you the first nine episodes of season two more than
season one. Yeah, I mean, the beginning of season two
is great. You agree with that? Yeah, oh yeah, Listen,
it all goes downhill after after the revelation and when
that when when the kind of when the Laura Palmer
Palmer storyline ends. It just I mean, and again I
don't hate it. It's just it's just not what it was. Yeah,
you know, because again, like I said when we were
doing it, people don't know when they're watching something like this,
they think they want they think they want the answer. Yes,
but you don't want the answer because the fun of
the show was in the who done it aspect of it.
Once you know the game's over and that it is,
and I think they could have, you know, the the
I don't. It's hard. It's very hard. I'm not saying
I knew the answer this and obviously we're looking back
on it with you know, with the you know, with
the Monday Morning quarterback here but you know, if you
they if they were able to find another hook and
like kind of have side stories that kind of overtook
the Laura Palmer thing, that would have been better, you know,
so that the Laura Palmer thing didn't always have to
be in the forefront. It would just kind of sometimes
linger in the background. They would always be present, but
it might not be the focus of every episode. I
don't know. I just think that could have been better,
and they could have probably played it for three five seasons.
I think I've been in five seasons with it, and
then you reveal at the end and it's fantastic. Huh. Yeah,
that would have been That would have been the play.
And speaking of leaving something until the very very end,
we continue to be vindicated on the scene of heel turn.
I said up the second we surfaced it here on
the show that we're going to ruin it for you.
We're going to ruin it for you because when we
lay out how they should do it, yeah, everything else
is going to pale in comparison. And from what we're hearing,
it's not going so well. Yeah, as they went with
a different tack, but your co chairman, in anticipation of
WrestleMania this year, cooking up a thought as to how
we can put that one really under the microscope, because
while we really shy away from doing much in the
way of shows on contemporary wrestling, there are moments where
people turn to us and say, hey, you guys figured
out why everything in the past that we remember as
corollaries to what's happening now worked or didn't work. You
guys do the diagnosis. You guys do the you guys
put it under the tightest microscope. You guys do the autopsies.
What do you think? And people that listen to our
live call and Elimination Chamber were enthralled. I was going
through the feedback and preparation for this, so many memories
flooding back from that live call, and how how hyped
people were that they had done something so ballsy and
something so third rail. And now here we are and
it's a reminder of why it used to be better
in so many ways. But we're going to take a
closer look soon. Jeff did right to us, Sina should
show up with Megan markele Wait, what was that again?
Sena should show up with Megan Markel, he said, doing
a subtle, but patronizing, holier than now Hollywood lecturing gimmick.
That's the best way Markle has of drawing viewers these days.
Would also help her public persona by pretending that she's
actually got some self awareness. She would be a wonderful
pro wrestling valet. Yeah, I can see that. I can
see it right now. It's better than Travis Scott, who
we haven't heard a single thing from after being part
of that supposedly iconic tableau in Toronto. You know, like
he was going to be some inexplicable part of the thing.
He'll probably be at maniacause I think he's performing. They
announced that months and months before he participated in the
in the Angle. But my god, I haven't seen Dwayne
since come on Fox. I mean it's just a you know,
I'm going through this feedback and everyone's like, oh, and
then Dwayne can have got you know, corrupted him or
brainwashed him or they've been working at all long and
now everything Dwayne's been saying and doing makes sense. Haven't
heard a fucking peep, my god, since it went down,
not a peep. Unbelievable, And yeah, why, I don't know.
I don't think we'll ever get with him, and you
never get the answer, right because he comes up with
this like, you know, this shiny version of the story
that everyone parrots, you know, and I mean he's he
kind of you know, and he kind of reminds me
of of of Danny DeVito in and Get Shorty. You know,
he comes in and so it's like, you know, there,
there's they set up this. There's a scene in the
movie where they set up this uh this lunch at
or breakfast or whatever at the ivy in of course,
of course, right and so you know, but they're at
in there this meal and Danny DeVito comes in and
he's this big movie star actor and whatever, and he
kind of orders the food for everybody, even though they
don't want it. He orders a bunch of food for everybody,
even though and it's like like everyone's like, no, I don't,
I don't want that, but he orders it anyway, and
then he has like two bites and he leaves and
they're stuck with everything else they didn't want. That's the rock.
Love it. That's awesome. The rock is Martin Weir. For
those who know Get Shorty, Wow, Get Cool or I
guess it would be get shortens. Get be cool, be cool, No,
be cool as a sequel to get shortens. Ha Uh,
nobody's nobody. Want to thank you for the pledge. You're
somebody somebody to us pal brother, Thanks for the cake.
I really appreciate it. Jeff also writes plus one for
the use of the phrase greasy carneyes, with no disrespect
intended for proper old school carneies. There is a difference
circus carneyes. He writes, work together to work the marks.
Wrestling carnies work each other to avoid having to work
the marks. Yes, I like that quite a bit. We
want to. I want to thank Josh for sending us
pictures of Randy Savage as cabbage. I think that Randy Cabbage.
You got me. I can't believe that I didn't get that.
Did we did? We have a hole dissertation on that
at some point. I don't know. I don't. I don't
remember him as cabbage, you know, I saw. I will
say that is one solid use for AI image generation
is when someone says something that absurd and you can
produce a picture like I just sent to you. It's
the it's the it's the mouth. Yeah, he looks like
he's struggling. It's always what you don't expect. It's always
the it's always a feature you don't think. We'll tell
the story that m is the thrust of the Homeandy cabbage. Yeah,
that's about Eric turning here, eating it, getting it boiled,
working further that boiled. Didn't know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Ohad cabbage in the the corn beef, working it up,
working it inside out. If you know what I'm talking about,
Randy cabbage, delicious. Steve, our friend in Ireland, says, listening
to Boss describe an Irish breakfast sandwich and have to
wonder do Americans think the Irish eat corn beef?
Speaker 2: We do, Yes, we do. Think that's it. That's all
you eat. You mean you eat corn, beef, cabbage and potatoes.
That's all you eat. He says. If the co Chairs
ever travel to Dublin, they will have to be treated
to a real full Irish breakfast at the pub. Please,
I don't want. I hate corn beef and cabbage like
the fucking I can't stand it. I despise now. I
despise a boiled dinner. I despise it, despise it. I
remember I was I was in high school and the
girl I was dating, like I went over to her
parents' house for the first time and met them for
the first time, and they make her mom makes a
boiled dinner and I was like, what the fuck? And
it's just the most blandest, tasteless. It's like, what, why bother?
Why bother? It just ruins the flavor of everything. Can't
stand it, hate it, hate it so much? Water still present,
I know, right, And it's just like, you know, it's
like you've basically like cleaned out all of the fucking
you took it. You cleaned it right exactly. You cleaned
off the flavor is what you did? You know? Like,
I mean we had like it was. It was boiled
hamd boiled potatoes and fucking oh, it's just vile. Like
just shoot me, that's awesome. I quite like it. But
and Nesten, I'm listen. Hey, it's it's popular. You know
you should. You should go to my parents' house every
fucking yes, I want it so bad, go ahead, get it.
Yeh see he gets see. I like the actmath because
I make corn beef fash out of the Oh yeah,
you like that though, interesting. I love cornbi fash and
I like corn beef. I don't like the boiled fucking dinner.
I see, like it's that whole thing that just like corny,
the cabbage and potatoes and all that other shit. It's like,
I just have no It's like it sucks. Man, Steve says,
Get the jumbo breakfast, roll a full Irish and a
French breadbag. Add a Dublin specialty. Count me done, done,
Count me in. It's done. I'm there. You don't have
to fucking convince me. Stop arguing with me, exactly. I
know I'm one step ahead of you actually in terms
of things. But he writes on Eric Bischoff's He'll Turn,
I think the major difference between Heal Vince and Heal
Eric is that Heal Eric never went anywhere. He'll Vince
went from hating his world champion to becoming obsessed with
seeing him destroyed. That's true, Heal Eric, just like I'm
wearing jeans now, and that's the extent of my character. Well,
and I think too much like much like the whole
Cogan thing, there's a lot of real life circumstances that
makes Vince McMahon a better heel Because you're also talking
about you know what was one of the great things
about about the early days of the Austin mcmahonson right
after WrestleMania was the whole thing about him trying to
make Steve Austin to the corporate champion. Yeah, right, because
that I don't know about you, but for me, it
made me think of Kevin Nash. It made me think
of the whole Kevin Nash thing. They watered him down,
like like, you know, you look at him and and
Nash was great beforehand because he was a badass. Then
he becomes champion and becomes the top babyface, and he
becomes a piece of shit, and he becomes just a goof.
And those last months before he left the company, he
circles back around and gets in fastive about that, Like
that went through my mind when that was happening. I
remember being horrified and so nervous, yes about that, even
though it's like it's so it's amazing how they were
able to get you. Yeah, you know, because I sat
there like horrified that they were actually going to do
this to Steve Austin. Right, there was no way in
hell they were gonna actually do that to Steve Austin.
The whole point was that he was a fucking badass.
Absolutely well, no, they went with it. They went all
the way because, unlike with Diesel, Vince was willing to
be the heel. It wasn't just Diesel voicing frustration, which
I'm sure somewhere Vince's head would make him the heel
to be so disenchanted with the circumstances that, you know,
to Vince, anyone who's ever complained about their working conditions
was a heel in his head. You know, so someone
complaining about their working conditions and wrestling is going to
be healed to the fans as well. It's no telling
where the Kevin Nash character would have gone had he
not jumped to WCW N ninety six. But that's where
it was headed a little for a little while there,
And you know, acknowledging Vince's the owner of the first
character to really acknowledge Vince's the owner was Kevin Nash.
You make a good point. Did Kevin Nash walk so
stone Cold could run? Yeah? I mean I would say
in many ways. In many ways, yeah, Bischoff just like
did his smile and hung with Hogan and then feuded
with Larry. But it's true, he didn't he didn't have
a goal in mind, and and so. But but you know,
but again there's also just the history because I think
people people were frustrated with Vin sick Mann as they
were with hul Kogan. Yeah, they weren't frustrated with Eric.
They didn't really have any There's no right. Eric wasn't
that guy. Eric wasn't presented as being as much of
a presence in the past. I mean, Vince snick manhn
did that fucking awful dance. You'll stand back, go right,
you know, like this is stuff that sticks in the
minds of fans because there's there's a long there's a
long time that the steroid trial. There's a long love
hate relationship with the fans in Vin sick Man that
is present, and that's what made him a more effective
heel because I think about two not only Kevin Nash.
He had fucking you know, obviously the Brett thing. He
had a fucking hockey fight with Brett in the summer
ninety seven. Remember that, that's right, pulled a fucking hockey
jersey over his head, right, Yeah, good point. Yeah, these
were all things Bischoff and never even came close to
doing before he turned the heel. He was just an announcer,
you know, Colin Nitro calling out Vince and being afraid
of the nWo like everybody else for a little while.
But he never he never did an angle before that.
He never, you know, other wrestlers didn't really call him
out before that. And right in the same way, even
the even the Brian Pillman and I respect you Bookerman
thing you know, that was that was corrected to Kevin
Sullivan is the boss of WCW. Even when they did
shoot style angles. There wasn't even Bischoff that they were
necessarily calling out in WCW. They were calling him out
on ECW TV, but that's neither here or there. Ludy
Seve Austin putting a jet black wig on and pretending
to be Eric Bischoff one time in he CW. That
was something the big Buluski want to thank you very
much for a big ball donation and pledge on Patreon.
We appreciate it. My friend Brett writes boy with a
in for an insomnia curing surprise with that Scena promo,
he literally did the complete opposite of everything they predicted.
Can't wait to get more into that. Mm william makes
a great point on World War three ninety six, where
Dusty Roads was on commentary, the word salad coming out
of Dusty is only matched by the potato salad going in.
Steve writes, Hello, co Chairs, while listening to World War
three ninety six episode in your opinions, When NBO started
to pick and become an albatross, I would like you
to consider their biggest problem was Hulk Hogan. When I
rewatched the nWo nitros on the network, I could not
get over how much of a hangover on Hogan. A
hangar on rather Hogan seems to be to the much
cooler Hall of Nash. Hogan, instead of coming off as
the leader of a takeover, comes across as a father
having a midlife crisis, resorting to buying the high school
senior's beer so he can go to their parties and
chat up eighteen year olds. Yeah but I don't mind that. Actually, Wow,
that works for me. That doesn't bother me, because that's
kind of what he was. Yeah, that's kind of what
he was, and it's it's true. And and the thing is,
the nWo is not supposed to be cool. Yeah, you
forget that it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be
an enemy. It's supposed to be something that hate that
you hate. If they just let Scott Hall go out
there and act like nothing, that he didn't care about
anything and be sarcastic forever, it would have died in
six months. Rights not that the idea is that you
hate hul Cogan and I'll never forget, like even rewatching
because you know, you get in your mind of the nWo.
Like everyone was cheering the nWo, and yes they were cool.
They were cheering the kind of cool as there were
cities that cho and listen, they're chanting, they're cheering for
Nash and they're cheering for Hall. But I'll tell you
what what whatever, especially in ninety six, Hogan would have
the main event interview situation whenever he was on Nitro.
That was kind of the thing. And he got boot
out of the There was no popularity there, there was
no people weren't cheering and they were booing the shit
out of it. And the reason the nWo angle worked
like it did wasn't just because Hall and Nash were cool.
It was because people wanted to see WCW come back.
And if all it was was Kevin National Scott All
acting like they're in a Tupac video. It wasn't gonna
work right again. See this is this is exactly it too.
Like I don't know if people realize, much like Twin Peaks,
you don't you you don't want what you think you
want right. You don't realize it at the time, but
you actually want w CW to win. You want them
to win. You don't, but you're you're kind of blinded
by the the the kind of shiny thing ingenuity of
this new thing, but never you know, it's like a
brand new, shiny thing you've never even thought you'd see.
The proof is in the pudding. When they turned the
entire show over to them, the ratings tanked, the pay
per view devoted to WO sucked, and no one bought
it relatively speaking to other shows. Yep, they kept it
going on for like four years. Yeah, It's just there
was never a proof point where they leaned into that
direction where people said, yes, finally this is the nWo
show and not WCW. That's what I've been waiting for.
No one wanted that, even if they told themselves they
wanted it. When they did it. No one cared and
it was actually a deterrent. It was a turn off.
That's a wonderful point. So Hogan, instead of coming off
as the leader he writes of takeover comes across to
the father mid life crisis. Yep. Most of the perception
the nWo is cool comes off from Hall in Nashville.
Hogan segment just come off as verbal masturbation. Well, no,
it's Sting. It's it's about him being the giant that
Sting is going to slagh. You know, do you think
Sting doing the whole thing he did brooding in the
balcony would have worked if he was coming after Kevin
Nash the whole time. No, that's not as big a
match at the end. Big. They'd also played out the
idea that he and Hogan were friends, right, you know,
I mean, I I you gotta to me. The idea
is you've always got to remember you know again, nWo
was supposed to be a heel faction, right, That's what
it was. We forget that. I forget it, you know,
I mean, you know I again I bring up that
Hogan the Hogan may have been interviews on Nitro as
like because I'd like why aren't they cheering hok Hogan
As I'm rewatching this, I'm like right, I thought they
fucking loved him after this, and like, no, they don't
love him. They still think of it as a heel
But Kevin Nash and Scott Hall brought something different. They
brought that kind of edgy anti hero popularity. Hogan was
a plain old chicken shit heel See writes this all
could have been avoided if the third man was Sting.
I don't know. Sting would have been the perfect enemy,
he writes, with it within to lead an nWo takeover.
Sting had stayed loyal at WCW, even when he was
downgraded from top star when Hogan came in, and once
more when Savage came along. He was not even at
friend of the top star level. For part of ninety six,
he was even feuding over the TV belt he had
graduated from in eighty nine. Sting was a victim of
ww politics, perhaps invited two former ww wrestlers, Holl and Nash,
who went to shut to start him in WWF after
finding nothing but barriers and ceilings in their way in WCW,
to come in with the knowledge of how to destroy
a system that had wrung them all, now having Hogan
be decimated to dash at the beach and take time
off to let the fans suffer from absence, making the
heart grow fonder before coming back as the Avenging Angel
leading an army against an nWo trio. I don't I
don't think so. Yeah, I don't think you're underestimating how
much of why Sting was so electric was because he
was mister w CW before he went prow And not
only that, what made Hogan, what made the heel turn
so money and so important and so right at the time,
was because the fans were booing Hulk Hogan's act already anyway.
That's what made it works. Imp clamoring crost the legacy.
No one ever clamored for Sting to become a heel,
like that's the thing Sting. Sting is for some reason.
You know, there are there are these people perennial baby
for some fucking reason can be perennial babyfaces. Nobody in
their right mind is ever gonna Boosting. I don't get
it sometimes I don't get joke or TNA. Sting was
cheered over Hogan, eve Ye and Ricky Steamboat the same
fucking thing. You could never make Ricky steamboat a fucking heel.
It's just no one wants to bow them. And so
that's the thing. If people had been tired of stings
surfer gimmick and they were like, I'm ready to fucking
but they loved him. They loved him. I mean, you know,
we worked hard and stuff and he was exciting, you know,
So you had that and just a ship promo. But
that's that's the difference. And I and listen, I'm not
saying that a sting leed nWo wouldn't be interesting. I
just it would not have made the money that Yeah,
no fucking way. Just it would be awkward for Hogan
to fly the flag because Sting was the one agreed.
Sting was the one embodying WCW when Hogan was the
top guys business across the pond in WWI. But yeah,
we appreciate it. Stuvee, that's some thought provoking stuff. No
pointless members, we can agree with that. No one ever,
oh defends adding pointless members of the nWo. Yeah, sure,
I agree. You don't need fucking Mike Rotundo and fucking nWo.
Oh that's ridiculous. Come and to appreciate Corey more and more.
He's our homie in Winnipeg who is a fan of
a deeper vintage than ours. And whenever we've got questions
about early to mid eighties, which can be a foggy
time period for US man as you fill it in,
it's not often, he says, but I have to disagree
with our co chairs. This is when we were talking
about how Piper's ninety six WCW run was like some
of his best stuff. Oh yeah, he says, eighty four
eighty six Pipers by far his best run. I love
the Heevers heel tag matches they ran in eighty five
eighty six as well. Shek and Volkoff also wrestle the
Heart Foundation and the Funks around that time. This is
of course a comment on our Colsseum home video thing
as well. The Killer Bees wrestled the US Express by
Vibertuendo American Express for as well. Beef Kick and Valentine
talk about the cheek Volkov match and shoot interviews and
how over they were. And so he's he's with a
eighty four eighty six Piper, which you know, God, I mean,
that's that's where his bones are made. That's his real question,
no question, I just to me, I don't. I mean,
I think we both agree on this. It's the nonsensical
promos that just kind of bother me, like they just
keep going on and on, which I know that's kind
of his thing. Coked out. Yeah, Like it's just like
it's it's it's a little much for me personally. Yeah,
it's not. It's always a home run. Back then, it's
it's one thing to watch the lou Albano smash the
record Angle and the fucking Jimmy Snooker Piper's Pit and
the Dave Wolf Cindy Lapper Piper's Pit. But there's a
lot of stuff in there that was kind of just
like meandering to your point, a lot of like local
market promos. You watch him do back then, you're just like,
what the fuck did he just say? Like he just
he just made all kinds of gestures and squeaky noises
and stuff. But I feel like that by the mid
nineties and the w Stubby Bear in particular, he he
went to that ring not only knowing what he wanted
to say, but how to say it in a way
that was like coogin but didn't lose that element of
Pip Piper imprectability, but you still gut the message across.
I don't know, I just felt like he was a more.
He was a more, He's a deeper character there. Corey
also writes, you guys talked about Hogan's debut of the
Real American theme song a few shows ago. Yes we did.
I'men discussing the wrestling album as part of the Slamy
Award show that December thirtieth match, which, as you recall,
Boss we ascertained that the first time Hulk Hogan came
to the ring to Real American was December thirty, nineteen
eighty five at Madison Square Garden against Macho Man Y
was vers Savage MSG. Hogan loses by count. Now, yes,
that's right, Hogan loses the first time he ever uses
Real American. That's something I always appreciate that. Yes, so
Bez is among the others to point out that Bischoff
explained that after Nash power bomb him, he had an
epiphany and decided to become part of the nWo rather
than getting destroyed by them. This was the same segment,
he writes where he gave all WCW wrestlers an Ultimadium
in November twenty fifth, nineteen nineties. Nitro yes, very much so.
He also says that he likes the scene of suggestions,
but considering the in cell fans nowadays beating up Nikki
Bella might turn see a face again, Aced acts with
a wonderful line, how many cows died the story of
Dusty Rhodes, Chris says other podcasts, this week we are
looking at WCW World War three. The first one. Here
is the exact order of eliminations, where the announcers made mistakes,
and how we would have booked the match the lapsed fan.
This week we are finally doing World War three. Here's
what's wrong with Queen of the Ring and this and
this is proof that Craig Leathers edits his own Wikipedia page.
I love you guys, he says, we love you too. Holler,
that's correct, that is correct. Listen and everything gets included.
Adam points out something interesting I hadn't noticed. He said.
One weird thing that Piper would do in promos going
back to years was lie about how many kids he had,
saying he had six. That's strange. Why would you do
that if having a fuck ton of kids was all
it took, he writes, to be a top guy. Rocky
Johnson would have been the big straw of the century.
That's funny. So that is funny. Corey comes back. Remember
when Gorilla had made reference on one of the Colisseum
Collection matches to Ken Peterra having retired him. Yeah, we
were like, what is that? Yes, didn't know about this angle. Ken,
he writes, had a title match against Backland Bob Eckland,
so this would have been his late seventies early eighties run.
About twenty minutes into the match, Petera grabs the mic
and stand off of the announced desk. He ends up
clubbing Gorilla. Backland gets the mic away from Ken and
blasts him, and then Gorilla gets into chop Petera. This
leads to a match between Petera and Gorilla. Ken wins
and Gorilla retires. He has a couple of matches after that,
but that was the end of his full time career. Wow.
The date August twenty third, nineteen eighty So do you
even know about that? We'll have to look that one up.
Thanks very much. As always, can count on Corey to
fill in the gaps from that time period in particular,
A tool Belt for Daddy writes on Patreon regarding why
Land of a Thousand Dances because we asked why of
all the songs? I think he's good theory. I think
Vince likes just the no no no no noah of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Bruce Pritchard has told a story about how much he
loves the old Nanna Kiss some goodbye song chant, and
this is pretty close. Tool Belt also adds, I love
this version of Vince that did comedy. It's clearly having
fun creating this stuff. It is infectious, like when he's
doing TNT and this, you know, some of these more
foolish and outlandish things. His sense of humor is kind
of it's really stupid, but it's kind of fun to
watch him like try not to laugh, you know, and
try to keep that straight man look about him while
holding the mic, and the insanity is enveloping all around him.
But it's just I don't know, it's a lot. He
does a lot of it. It's not one segment a
month or whatever. It's fucking entire show is like all
this high jinks and a little wrestling. It's really really
it really smacks someone who's trying to be someone who's
not you know, yes, or trying to appeal to an
audience he doesn't have. Zachary Cole, thank you very much
for your increase in pledge. We really appreciate it. We
got some sound from the from the field boss. We
know that the lapsed wife is a thing. Tell him
about the shirt. Oh fuck yeah, I mean listen, that's
the one. If you are are married, and you've got
and you've got a wife who questions why you listen
to this shit, you get them a lapsed wife shirt
because it says right underneath, why are you laughing? This
isn't funny. That is the catchphrase and the the slogan
of the lapsed wife. All right, they don't know why
you listen to us. They certainly don't understand why you're
laughing at us because we're not funny. I understand. Listen,
you know my wife doesn't think I'm nearly as funny
as I am. Right, no wife does, exactly, and it
cludes Marshall's wife because uh she. He sent some rather
amusing audio of I think what probably stands as a
very typical spousal interaction around the pod. Here he is
my lovely girlfriend.
Speaker 4: I asked her, I told her about wrestling.
Speaker 3: I thought about the John c n He'll turn and.
Speaker 2: What did you say about wrestling? Georgina, So movies on
TV shows?
Speaker 4: Why is this worse?
Speaker 1: It's just more fake?
Speaker 2: Yes, I rest my case. Yes it's more fake. That's
a good share. Actually, all right, that's a good it's
more why why is it'd be like you ask the
question why is wrestling? Yeah? Why do you why do
you dislike wrestling more than TV and movies? Right, it's
more fake, yes, Bingo, speaking of much Lucky Lagucci doubled
that pledge. We appreciate it. Random, thank you so much
for that cake. It's awesome. We appreciate it. Richard writes
greetings to JP while putting on some background noise while
working on a model. I had to stop as the
video was talking about Godzilla or Space Godzilla from nineteen
ninety four, due to the revelation that the sued actor
for Little Godzilla was a pro wrestler. Oh boy. I
also found out that this is not the first timely Yeah,
a pro wrestler was a sued actor, as the show
Era Films used one for Godzilla First Child Manila, we
get do we get a name? While most of the
movies with Godzilla's offspring are bad, Godzilla movies are some
of my earliest childhood memories. I would love to hear
you give the cinemat treatment to any of the movies.
Yes please. I also would ask Godzilla to a flying
drop kick is seen in Gonzillaver's Megaton count. I mean
there's one, and let me see here he's got. There's
one that I would fucking like. It's my all time
favorite Godzilla movie and it's King Kong versus Godza. Is
it really from nineteen sixty three? So fucking great? Thatches
two pictures, one of Masau little man Machan Fukuzawa, who
is the suit actor in Manila, and one of Masanobu
little Frankie Okamoto, who is a suit actor in Little Godzilla.
So that's wow. Two potential cinemat connections to get Godzilla going.
Maybe a Godzilla journey coming. Oh my god, you imagine
back to Tokyo we go? Right? What's that? What's the
name again? Oh geez, I lost it with your names.
We'll pull it up some other time. Correy also writes
Albano managed Andre and eighty five, who were like, what's
the tie between Andre and Albano that they're talking about?
That one's there was the big MSG match who writes
versus Bundy is with Lou in the corner. Andre has
back to back Saturday Night's main event tag matches Verus
stud and Bundy with Albano in his corner. I remember
those matches, but I did not remember that little Banno
was in Andre's corner for them. Plus Albano managed the
machines right which had Andre in it. That's a good point.
Joe from Chicago and hey, JP and Jack currently listening
to the Exorcist episode of Under the Cinemat that's wrong,
while Ago that's that's yeah, that's some Halloween shit. Right
there after we say it's incredible, and he's right about you. Yes,
I think I've texted my mom and several uncles about
their experiencing it in theaters, just because of the little
bits and pieces they've told me over the years. Also
the fact that Friedkin more or less got his confidence
from watching Chicago wrestling made me smile. It's right, yeah, Yes,
I live in the hollowed Holls, the grounds of Schomberg
Jesus Christ. Jimmy Barnett might be the real Forest Gump,
as he was probably working for Kohler at the time.
That's true, he was thanks for all the shout outs
for my suburban home one. Would you ever consider putting
the episode on the main feed so I can share it,
I can make a donation. What do you think that's
a no act? Maybe I don't know. Maybe some point,
probably at some point i'd do what you see say, yeah, yeah, yeah,
maybe in the fall, because it definitely, I mean especially
because for the connections alone, the connections alone are just
so fucking yeah, those are deep, especially the last one.
The last one is just the fucking greatest thing too. Also,
I've been kicking around the idea of getting the Captain
Howdy tattoo, but I feel that maybe invite unnecessary bad juju,
if you will. In in my life, I don't have
that strong of a religious conviction at all. But I
don't know. Something makes me think twice, yeah, I know
where that I can tell whe that comes from? For real, though,
you guys have helped me through the last year and
a half of ups and downs. Luckily I have it
all together with great kids in a pretty cool life.
But just I think you guys know how much you
mean to people. But I just want to say it again.
My four year old wanted to watch the match with
all the girl pro wrestlers aka Woman's Rumble. I also
apologize for being a bitch and dropping tears on Patreon.
Never apologize for this, folks. I mean, the bitch thing
is for people. When we say that, we're talking about
people who judge, people who pay for the show. We're
not talking about people can't afford to pay for the show.
It's not long, right, right, right, right right. But I
have done a lot of program I've done a lot
of growing up in the last year, and I'm trying
to get my shit together, he writes, and rectifying some
of my past financial mistakes. However, I believe it is
my duty is a good goddamn American to pay for art,
and you gentlemen make art. That's correct, Joe, thank you
for everything, and praise be to the Warlord. Will praise
be to you son. It's great to have you in
our corner. Carlo writes to us. I got the Wrestling
album in nineteen eighty six. I played it on my
family room record player. My ever loving parents did not
care for it. My mom said grab them cakes was inappropriate. Yeah,
Jeff says, Martha Quinn is a certain kind of hot
that only existed in the nineteen eighties. Is that true? Yeah,
the way they were writing about her, she was like
like girlfriend material. And I'm not saying she's not a
pretty woman, but yeah, it's definitely it's very eighties. He
appeal is very eighties. Sure, I don't know what it was.
It was almost like you wanted like the kind of
like the shy, bashful quality about you two at that time.
It was it is very eighties, you know, like the
girl who ends up at the party but didn't really
want to go, but everybody's still somehowever, that all the
attention is on her even though she doesn't want to
be there. But she's not acting hip about it, she's
acting bashful about it. You know. Work rate Midget rights
to us. I've received the wrestling album for Christmas. I
also recall getting the WWF calendar in the figures. He says,
the Super Bowl shuffle is still played at Chicago Land weddings. Wow,
it's got to be something. Dan. Thank you very much
for your pledge, my friend, we appreciate it. Welcome in,
David writes, Vince McMahon is uncautionably one of the most
painfully unfunny people in history. Yeah, I can't disagree. Wow,
he's awful. He's a fucking drizzling shit. Can you imagine
getting paid to laugh at his jokes for thirty years?
But that does to a person. Oh, there's nothing left,
just a husk of a man. David has a great question.
I don't know if you can feel this one, boss,
I'd appreciate your thoughts. Is it safe to say that
the WWE is a dota driven enterprise? Oh? Absolutely? Why
why are we so quick to answer? Well, I mean
I'm a data for all my father, so how could
he not be a data driven enterprise?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: But it definitely. Listen, I mean, look, we're gonna, we're gonna,
you know, we'll put up the U. I mean, think
about this dada Ism, okay, is and the establishment it
is you know it right there from the get go.
It defines it defines wrestling, all right, you know you.
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: I mean here the Wikipedia right here Wikipedia entry says
this within the umbrella of the movement, the Dada movement.
People used a wide variety of artistic forms to protest
the logic. Reason it does protest logic, aestheticism of modern
capitalism and modern war god wrestling right there. Yeah, well
I mean both embrace randomness. Yeah, both reject narrative logic. Yes,
both see art is live expression. Yep. Both critique society,
and both are in many ways anti art. It's right.
So while ww might not intentionally be data, it does
share Dada's spirit. It does. It is datast in nature.
It blurs the boundary stream real and fake. That's right.
Thank you Mark Hutchinson for that pledge. We appreciate it.
My friend. Welcome into the Patreon universe, Eric Wright. Cindy
Lauper only tolerating wrestling because of her boyfriend, like every
single woman in the history of exports, so totally totally
don't talking about that. How she kind of all right
if you want, if you say so, Dave Jack Gillespie,
thank you very much for that ep level tier appreciated deeply.
Ellis writes, I'm sure it's been discussed, but my old
brain doesn't work. The whole Cogan theme was later reworked,
that's right, into ravishing by Bonnie Tyler. Yes, if you
listen to the roots of Dada lie in pre war
avant guard All right, confirmed. Isn't that the text at
the beginning of the Colosseum videos. H it began five
billion years ago? Say the roots of da again? What
did you just say?
Speaker 6: It began over five billion years ago. Yes, the roots
of Dada lay in pre war avant garde Cubism, and
the development of Clark and abstract art would inform the
movement's detachment from the constraints of reality and convention.
Speaker 2: That's wrestling right there. It is removed from the concerts
of wrestling. Isn't that right, Kim Wood? That's right, that's right.
You know what time it is reality challenged. I feel
sorry for the fuckers that are in pro wrestling fixed sports.
Speaker 3: He said it.
Speaker 2: He said it two words. He said the two words
back to back, just as we would like God. That's it,
William Does meatloads get that? Does meat loaf drumming on
stage at the Slammies make rocky horror? U t c
ELEGI I I don't, I don't, I don't know. I
don't want to say yes. I'll tell you what I'll
tell you what Here's the thing? Was meat Loaf the
drummer for the album? Yeah, not the whole thing, but
that track. I think meat Loaf qualifies. Wow, you're saying
Rocky Horror may becoming scary movie season. I mean there's
a lot of story there with us, I mean out there, total,
my god, absolutely, meat Loaf not the food. Let's see here.
What does that include here? Is usually catch up onions.
I mean that means, wow, holy shit, it brings in
quite an interesting slate here. Yes, obviously, Rocky Horror Picture
Show brings in Wayne's World, Spice World, that's hilarious. Fight Club, Well,
everything prings in fight Club if you put your mind
to it. Well, it's data. So that's right there. Okay,
well look all right, horror qualifies and ww is a
DoD DoD driven enterprise. I think we've more than done
to day work here. Pap writes, truly the end of
an era with the logo of WWE being gone from
the old Titan towers. Isn't that the truth?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, so pathetic. I grew up in RhE Island,
had family in Pennsylvania, and seeing the giant WWAF logo
for my ninety five was always the best part of
going to see family on the holidays. I vividly remember
yelling and excitement when I saw they finally changed the
logo to the Scratch logo because my yelling scared the
shit out of my dad while he was driving, and
he threatened to beat my ass whenever we stopped at
a rest stop. Yes, what a memory, and what a
memory when I saw that man that hallowed out just
the faint etching of what it used to be on
that building. And now it looks so pathetic over there
now because just the middle of a neighborhood, you know,
used to be so enlivened by the presence of ww
what a curiosity, what a local curiosity, And now it's
just another glistening tower amidst other glistening towers trying to
be Instagram friendly. Yes, Joe writes, hearing the Boss say
that Brian Christopher and Jerry Lawler used to sit on
Sunday nights eating hot dogs in French fries while watching
America's Funniest Home Videos a year before Brian died. Really
gotten ooh ooh, that's some genuine sadness to think about.
I agree, I didn't remember that. When I read it back,
I was like, my God, did he say that? I
did no fucking clue. Luke says, any Vinyl collectors come
across the wrestling album out in the wild, I always
keep an eye out. Definitely not brave enough to ask
the guy in there though, And then of course Solar
System members step up and say, yeah, you can find
it pretty easily here there in the other or I
found her here pretty great. I don't want to ask
that question though, No, totally. William says, these eighty five
eighty six shows really hit me hard. I was eight
years nine years old, then grew up forty miles from Peoria, Illinois,
and afterthought as an adult, but a world away for
a kid. Everyone owned the Super Bowl Shuffle. Yes see,
he comes back to this. WW toured through Peoria frequently
enough that kid me thought that they were there every week,
and my parents just used to let me go meet
old Cogan because they were mean. That is pretty funny
to think that they're constantly running. We talked about Doctor
Demento when we talked about the Wrestling album. Yes, Doctor
Demento sort of innovated the idea of the novelty record
something that was to be taken half seriously like a
weird al and Doctor Demento had a radio show full
of songs and acts and curiosities like that. William says,
I loved Doctor Demento. I had a record of some
of his best bits and songs or sketches that appeared
on his show. Twelve year old and me thought fish
Heads was the peak of comedy. I guess that was
a bit or song. The local PBS ran a block
of seventies doctor Who on Saturday night. Coincidentally, when an
AM station ran Demento and my friends and I would
get together play dungeons, dragons and chugs soda, act like
absolute idiots until the sugar rush ended. All like good
twelve years old twelve year old at D and D sessions.
It would eventually end up as a wrestling match, So
the Memories. Chris writes that Hogan ripping up the Goadaffi
photo in the Real American Music video was the equivalent
to the opening scene in one of the Naked Gun
movies where Frank Dreben infiltrated a meeting of America's enemies Coffee.
It's a great the first one. It's such a great opening,
Astro Phoenix and others beat them up and escaped. Yeah,
it pretty much is it pretty much is.
Speaker 1: A lapsed fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's
a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio m
JP Soro.
Speaker 2: He says, it's a listener to Doctor Demendo's Doctor Demdo
syndicated in the seventeen eighties. I heard the Fred Blasty
pencil neck geek song a lot. Does this give the
boss a utc tie in for Weird the Al Yankovic
story starring Daniel Radcliffe as Weird Al. What happened? What's
the connection? I guess that Doctor Demento came up on
our show about the wrestling album and influenced the genre
of the wrestling album belongs to It's it's no, it's
not a real connection. No, that's going to be in it.
But they want you to experience the Damien Demento show.
That's really what they want more than anything else. So
the Doctor Demento Show, not Damien Demento. I say, said Damien.
I knew that was I am shocked that it took
that long for me to do that, that I kept
it together that long. On Gene Okerlin in the way
he approaches people outside the Slammies in Baltimore, Zach writes,
I'm going to teach my son the appropriate way to
approach ladies he's interested in. Starts with excuse me, ladies?
Can I prevail upon you for a moment? Plenty of dates,
I think that, yes, exactly. I think people need to
ask to prevail upon somebody more often, and it's Robert
who gets the credit for the cost. I think we
should be getting El Matador's cameo take on every show,
even once he's not on. Yes, no question, very nice.
Can I prevail upon you for a moment? Please? I'm sorry?
What if I prevail upon momentarily? He says, momentarily, If
I could momentarily prevail upon you, excuse me, and I
can prevail upon you momentary, shut the funk up with
your gimmick. Are you gonna? Are you gonna? Are you
gonna prevail on me momentarily? You're gonna prevail on me
for a while? Question, what do you mean in a
moment or like momentarily right now? Momentarily, if I'm not mistaken,
not to be a pedant about it, but momentarily means
for a moment, not in a moment, So it doesn't
mean that you're gonna we'll be back momentarily. That doesn't
make any sense. You do something momentarily. I brushed my teeth, Momentarily,
I knocked on the phone. I don't understand how it
came to mean it'll happen soon. But I'm sure if
you looked it up, it would say that's the definition.
But I'm not sure that that's the oldest and original
definition anyway. That always throws me when I hear people
use it that way. The credit goes to John for
the list of wrestling related vinyl over the years. He's
got what is it six d and seventy four items
that qualify, including the nineteen eighty four IWGP official record.
That is to say, yes, New Japan's International Wrestling Grand Prix.
There was an official record, and he's got all this
cool stuff from Japan. If you want to check it out.
It's Bozos, Biceps and Beats on the disccogs website disccogs
scogs dot com. So if you look up the Bozos
Biceps Beats list, He's got a great running tally of
all of these wrestling related albums that have come out
over the years, including Yes, There it is, Texas, Bronco,
Terry Funk. My God, what a time to be alive.
But I want to give shout outs to John and
pass that link along for those interested. Yes, and shouts
to Phil for reminding us that yes. I think at
one point during the wrestling album discussion, you asked, was
Goadaffi threatening America's freedom? Why would Hogan rip his picture
up in the video? And Phil is keen to remind
us that yes, Goaddaffi was allegedly behind the bombing of
pan Am flight one O three and eighty eight, which
landed on the Scottish town of lockerby killing all two
hundred and fifty nine people on board and another eleven
Scottish people on the ground. So was he an existential
threat to the US? Phil rights and the words of Bruno, Yeah, sure,
Zach writes, wrestling is basically the kid who will eat
gross things just to get your attention. All right, that's true.
Some of these guys are just like that. You know,
how can I mutilate myself? Yeah? Well, you know, you
got him, you know, what do you want? Are you
with Paul here? Without nostalgic glasses on? Hogan's second theme is,
in my opinion, vastly superior to real American. He says
this some walked out to real American at his own wedding. Boss.
There are elements that of it that I really do like.
I think it's I think it's it's it's definitely very
cool in many ways. I think it's a neat It's
a good theme. I I don't know if it has
the same punch as real American got it. I mean,
real Americans got a very Yeah, that's one of a kind.
That's like, yeah, unforgettable stuff. You hear that, I mean,
it's exciting even even when he's you know, even when
you're reminded that he's a racist and an idiot. Right, So,
like you like the thing is you hear that, You
hear that those first two those like the first couple
of measures of the songs, right and the first chorus,
and like you immediately get excited, you like, even and
then you remind yourself of what an asshole he is,
but you're still excited that first moment, Oh for sure,
it's it's a it's a crazy it's a crazy feeling. Yeah,
if you can. If the first thing you think about
is him kicking ass and come into the ring and
pointing at the guy whose number is finally up right,
you can't not be electrified by it. But if you
think of other things when you hear that song, which
is of course understandable that it's not so much. But yeah,
just another another example of how it used to be better.
We used to be able to have nice things. Remember that, Yes,
used to be able to cherish our little heroes. Neil writes,
Slammy Awards or Boss the Slaman's Awards. Oh yes, slam
It's awards for sure. Dunk definitely great. The Slammins got
a dispatch here from our friend Connor that I hope
you could uh yes, you could share with the solar
system from Belfast. No less so uh come in your
way here in just a moment or momentarily momentarily that
gorilla would Gene would say, you can prevail upon me momentarily.
Thanks for that premier greetings from Belfast. I've been a
listener since the early days when a cast was a
Measley three hours. Oh my god, Oh, how we grow.
During that time, I've went through a listening pattern that
I'm sure is pretty familiar to you both. It started
that the cast was one of many podcasts, Jericho, Austin,
some others. But as these casts grew a bit stale
and tired to your left just got better and better.
I was a free loader who pays for a podcast, right,
But then a strange thing happened. I needed the extra
content's right. Hey, look it's there's no way around it.
I mean, you have to be a mighty, mighty strong,
self involved kind of person to pretend that doesn't creep in.
And there aren't that many out there. There. We convert,
we convert. Okay, that's one thing you can say. I
needed the extra content. First it was the three sixteen,
then the ten dollars tier, hang on, an extra ten
dollars was for movies. Nope, not for me. But then yeah,
but then yeah, a little tasty here or there, and yep,
you bastards got me again. Cinemat is now as undeniable
as the rest of the content on your street correct system. Yes,
I will say this. I've never enjoyed James Bond movies,
just not my thing. But the bond Jerney was incredible.
The amount of ground you covered was remarkable. One small
thing that that stood out for me and then never
seen ever again. Episode JP calls out a random bad
guy as what calls out a random bad guy's Rick
van Dickhead. I forgot that at all, And then a
little later in the episode says this is a Geiger counter.
It counts Geiger's aweso.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 8: Both of these had me in stitches. Jesus Christ, Oh
my god, I have no recollection to say that ship
at all. I fucking live for the family few sound
by me.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to your Kim would have uprated something.
Oh my god, I know it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.
I fucking lived for the personal highlights being Hogan's boo
and bit shops. No, and then of course I forgot
about that. No, No, and then of course yeah, these
segments are so stupid and brilliant and essential. Yes. Yes,
then you guys pivot from spending ten minutes on David
in the Juice Milkshake. Rachel's were break down of what
is wrong with modern world.
Speaker 8: I think it's not the point where nobody looks forward
to anything anymore.
Speaker 2: That's right. Everything is instant or it's not worth a shit.
We have far too much choice. Convenience has killed the
joy of waiting and discovering things. I'm about the same
age as you guys. My go to is and always
will be, the early nineties W stuff. There's just a
comfort in that area over here. All of the available
W stuff is now on Netflix, all pay per views, limited,
raw and like I says, snackdown s nacc snackdown from
years ago, but none of the non W stuff. I
was initially a bit pissed at this, but guess what,
less choice makes watching easier. My wife and I just
had our second child, and I've been lucky enough to
get a decent amount of leave off work during the
late nights. I've decided to start working through the www
pay per views in order, and I've just finished Survivors
Wait Summer Slam ninety two. Not having to spend hours
scrolling to pick stuff is liberating. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah,
I guess too that you know what they've got now,
They've got a YouTube page dedicated to WCW. I saw that.
It's wonderful, right, idea. Yeah, it is wonderful. The mini
Journey of Mine is highlighted. This mini journey of Mine
as highlighted my two favorites, Brett Hart and Randy Savage.
Bred to me was I was ready for that at all?
How think you've ever done that? One? Random's Savage? Just
see I always say, I always say, like part of
what we do is we just like we say something
just to see how it sounds. Like this one hits Yeah, Yeah,
you're just standing around making noise each other, like like, vonn,
why it's funny? It is? I mean I think you
can deny that. If you don't think it's funny, I
don't want anything to do with you. Let's put that way.
Yeah you don't think it's funny, go fuck yourself. Randon's Savage.
Brett to me was at his best and most memorable
making other guys look like a million dollars owing a
Mania ten is series of matches with diesel Mania double
turned with Austin, but the ultimate example in the in
the Soma Slam match with Bulldog in his home tune
of Leeds Mom Chess alone in England. The fact that
Brett could drag that level of a match out of
a gassed up pill head is quite frankly ridiculous. And
that's and that's why that will always be my favorite
Brett match. I know he's a bit earnest and an
artist and all and all that, but sweet Jesus, was
he not just a fantastic wrestler. His supplex, his goddamn supplex,
not quite a snap supplex, not just a standard tu
but for something of his own unique lift where his
foot came up right. It wasn't just the kind of
the snaps too, look just fall down. It was like
he lifted it up in a very very brisk way. Yes,
very authoritative, like you knew exactly what he was doing. Yeah,
it's like he's straining every ounce when he hoisted a
mofo a Brett Hart. Question for the co chairs, is
Brett the only WW champ to wear long tights and
a singlet topay? No, Diesel, Well, he didn't wear tights,
though he wore pants. Great question that can think of. Yeah,
I think that's it. Vader Vader did mean never was champion,
though he was never w OH champion. No, he's the
only one, the only w W champ. Of course he's diesel,
but he didn't, but he wore the he had the
leather pants. But similar gimmick though for a long time.
It only just occurred to me. And I can't think
of anyone else with that couple. Yeah, I don't think so.
Uh well, it depends on the day. Warrior, slaughter, oh fuck,
sometimes slaughter wear the black, the black tights anywhere the
so sometimes wear pants, but something sometimes you wear pants
for there wasn't always tights he wore. He wore a
khakis at Messonia seven. Oh, he's coming back from war, right,
he's wearing his fucking uh you know, his uh mh,
his Iraqi military uniform, his Iraqi military class as he
was wearing his Persian golf. Yeah, yeah, the dress, s giar,
you're wearing the khakis at Saddam Hussein gave him? Yeah,
who gave him the iron chic all those years too?
By the way, Sam gave him the slaughter, but iron
cheek was wearing him for years before that, from the
enemy country of Iran. No less right, how that works.
Randon's savage might be the greatest ever when it comes
to making the crowd feel I agree, the crowd can
the guy can sell like no other. When I think
about Randon's career, I don't remember moves, but the way
he could make you a viewer feel, And the guy
had so many versions in his WWWE stant early Macho
Icy title versus Steamers World World Title, Macho, Macho King
Long Tight's Macho king off, the Royd's macho on his
colorful madness. Randy at WrestleMania seven is every bit as
good as Brett Austin and WrestleMania thirteen. How he went
from being hated to sympathetic to getting his ass kicked
by Sherry to making everyone feel so strongly with the
Liz reunion is something else agreed, unbelievable. What it is
when you put it that way, it's incredible storytelling. You know,
there's no quote versatility, yes, yes, but to be able
to do like to sell, I mean the way that
that that that post match thing was is really remarkable.
It's because the greatest thing to happen in w w
ring ever, it's so well done, and it's so well
thought out, and it's so nuanced that like it's it's,
it's it, but it's done with such ease and such fluidity.
But when you really think about it, like the ability
you have to really to get that kind of a payoff, Okay,
you have to also create that in the match, yeah,
because the only way, Like, he can't be a crazy
ass uber heel, and he's not in the entire match.
He wrestles pretty clean for the most part. A couple
cheating things here and there, but like, what makes that
moment so great is he did try his damnedest. Yes,
he gave five elbows to Warriors, his career on the line,
career on the line, the whole thing, and then Sherry
comes in and beats the shit out of him. Like
it's it's not just that moment, it's everything else, because
it's not just a baby face who went out there
and did his thing and then lost. It is one
of the most hated heels of the time, who you're
going to turn around at this moment. It's really phenomenal.
It's I always say it, and we said it when
we talked about it years and years ago when we
covered that show. It's the thing I would hold up
to say. You know what, Like you laugh at wrestling
as like a high drama, right, yeah you should, But
if that's possible I'm sticking around. Yep, if if wrestling,
if wrestlers and wrestling can be good enough to create
that moment, and it wasn't the biggest money moment in
the world, it was a weak house and all that
don't care talking about how it resonated at the moment
with the people who did show up unbelievable. And I'm
and I'm still here waiting for that. In some ways,
I'm still trying to get back to a place where
I'm like, wow, look what wrestling created. Look at that
moment right there. Yeah, yeah, that's just it, you know,
that is it. We're all and everybody was to where
the emotional weight was, and a crowd that was thinking
nothing of Elizabeth when they sat down for that match
right from their mind. In the end, it's like, of
course it was all about Elizabeth in the end. That's
good stuff. Yes, it's just brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.
Wrestling is stupid nice, it's phony. Yes, it's fake and fraudulent,
but when it's that good, it's still worth the pain.
So I'm saying exactly, Yep. It goes without saying that
modern wrestling will never be as good as the stuff
we cut our teeth on, but it can still have
little moments of feeling. I'm writing this just after the
Elimination Chamber and two things. Yes, the Scene Hill turn
is something that legitimately sits alongside the Hogan turn. I
can't believe they're finally doing it, and I wish them well.
The other thing is that, for the first time since
probably Daniel Bryant at Wrestling in thirty, I was excited
by wrestling in the chamber match when it was just
Punk and Sina, I was genuinely just watching and wanting
Punk to win. I wasn't thinking about booking or work
rate or star rating. I was just watching and paying attention.
And that's it. And that's what's the key in that phrase,
you wanted Punk to win. That's what's missing, right is
Steaks is rooting interest. Yes, wrestling cannot be as great
as it can be unless there is rooting interest from
the audience. If the crowd doesn't, we're kind of indifferent
to who goes over and doesn't show up, pinning their
hopes on one of the two guys winning and one
of the two women winning and one of the two
teams winning, then while it can be wonderful, it is
not pro wrestling at its best. It is not the
peak of what pro wrestling can be. It has to
be just like any other sport where the stadium is
full of mostly people that want to see one person win.
If everyone does their job on the way in, that's
the dynamic you create. Doesn't mean that person has to win,
but that has to be the prevailing energy of the crowd.
But if people show up to see two people exert
themselves without carrying which of the two actually wins, then
you've left something on the table, and that is, by definition,
inferior to what it could be if you achieved all
that work rate plus that dynamic. Yeah, sorry, no, doesn't
mean those two guys who are killing themselves in the
ring are doing anything wrong. It just means they're not
doing everything. They're not exercising every option the pro wrestling
presents to them. It's not their fault, it's the booker's fault.
But I don't get a fuck whose fault it is.
It's it's inferior. Yep, just gene watching and that's it.
Mostly bad. Spare me the press conferences, but when it's good.
It allows us to just watch and pay attention, and
Matt is becoming harder to do in the world that
we live in. This podcast genuinely means a lot to
me and has me through a lot of long drives, housework,
and some really difficult personal stuff that I'll keep to
myself for now. You two are doing God's work. Here's
to another ten years. Goddamn right, Connor, goddamn right. Not
a joke, not a fucking game, and he adds in
Mike excitement, I forgot to add two points one Duke
Trosy is on the Mount rushmore of wrestlers with other occupations,
greed no question to me for a moment to picture
this a man with two loves keeping the streets free
from trash and a love for grappling. But how does
he keep his hand in the trash game while grappling?
Does he pick up shifts whenever the feed is in town?
The admin and planning involved must have been tortures. He
must have had a pretty good handle, and all the
movers and shakers in the trash game could agree more.
I mean, how do these guys juggle two occupations? It's
hard enough to break into the wrestling business. But to
be able to do that and be a plumber, that's
I mean exactly skill trade. You know, your moonlighting in
a different career, Like, that's a lot. That's a lot
to do when you're not working. You're working exactly and too.
I beg constant, he says, I beg you do the
Savage journey? Boss, Yes, what lots? I mean, Hey, what
what you ask for? It's it's uh, it's it's neither
here nor there. It's a thing. It happened that it
may happen. You know, it's a h it's it's it
is what it is. You know, nice non evasive answer here.
I love it. I love when you don't get evasive.
It's stuff, Boss, that's awesome, he says. If you can
do forty hours on set, I expect four hundred on
Randy you have, But do you want to pay four
hundred We're about to find out it'd be like two,
like two fucking years worth of Randy on Randy Angelo, Landy,
Liz Baseball, Slim, Jim Royd, Snakes and wo all the rest.
Not only does lap solar system need it? Be honest,
there's the itch if that is isn't there. You bastards
need it too. That being said, we will make our medicine,
take our medicine as good as lab stoctors dish it out.
Just be careful, be careful what you're playing with, Connor.
It's a live wire, my friend. It's a live wire,
and you may find yourself jones in for something that
asks as much of you as it does of us.
A tool belt for Daddy writes. The shittiest part about
this is that Codin's will win again at Mania Sena.
We'll go on a retribution face turn later this year,
and when the belt on December thirty first in Boston,
only to be cashed in on by minding the bank
winner to Logan Paul book it all right. I like that.
That's a kind of specific prediction I can get behind.
I did not know that the New Year's Eve SmackDown
was in Boston. Very interesting. I didn't know that either
I might be a relapsed fucking journey. I'd have to go, Matthew, fucked.
Thank you, that's how I pronounce it. Sorry if it's
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faker than a WW performer, it's the internet influencer Cesspool,
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And of course I love stone cold Steve Austin not
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I haven't been hyped up for rajsh SmackDown since twenty fourteen,
which led to Daniel Bryan winning the w Championship in
Triple AH and the opener and Randy Orton Batista in
the main event. When I originally watched Elimination Chamber, it
was dull and mundane up until the closing moments. Of
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me care. A week after Elimination Chamber, I saw that
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To get the lapsed perspective on the slog of a show,
Suddenly everything was enhanced. At the time, the lackluster match
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that too. You're gonna anyway, you know what I mean,
You're gonna watch it anyway, so you might as well
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to have our as a first initial here, I posted
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have time to be scrolling over there. So two brief
silly connections to white Whale films that departed. We've talked
about the departed, boss, you still need a connection, right, yes,
he says, I'm hazy on if Mania guests count. I'd
certainly watch any Raycomb's film appearances. But Mark Wahlberg filmed
the pre tape vignette for Wrestlminginia thirty eight in Dallas.
They are on Saturday. Who's the first famous face we
see a night one of the greatest night in sports,
Dorchester's own face and vo for two minutes Boston was
he there? Was he there? Person? I don't know if
we can find instance of help being at a show
accounts it would need I mean, if you got involved
with something, you know, that's always the key guest hosts
for RAW. That's a guest, it's it's it depends. It's
a it's a it's a come and go thing. It
defends depends on how involved they get. I see, like
if they actually get involved in like a skirmish or
something like that. Why do I have the feeling I've
seen Mark Wahlberg like a in a w ring, like
me too, fighting somebody. I don't know why I feel
that way about fighting, but definitely like acting tough backstage right,
I would think it would be in that era. It
just depends on how It just depends on how involved
they are, because you know, some of them no, no, no,
some of them some of them know because they don't
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looks exactly like John Cena. I mean, I know they
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WWE's Tamena, Jimmy Snook's daughter claims, seemingly in earnest on
an episode of Xavier Woods YouTube video game channel from
nine years ago, that she went into labor while playing
GoldenEye sixty four. Yeah, no, no, good, good, nice. Those
are unique ones. I appreciate it. I do appreciate that,
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Wrestling's fake and these people are fakeer than fake. I
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