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Speaker 2: I never seen anything. And it's the laps Fan name

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by the one in the ring. Forget about Slado. He

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the real king of swing when the bell goes in

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and the kick like me throwing in the corner. But

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Speaker 2: Steve low Brown, would you get low down?

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Speaker 2: Flipp you on your head?

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Speaker 3: But you know cool driver, you speak more now and

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dragon spits fire give you more shock than when head

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treats higher drop a more truth than the con of

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Speaker 3: The brain Bob means the best podcast Frost start the

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Speaker 2: If you all been as a plassic a pose, laps

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Fan continues to have the best listeners in all of podcasting.

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M HM mail bag continues to fill at a rate

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Actually forget continues. The lapse Fan mail bag is filling

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at a rate here's four unknown. Yes, there's growth happening,

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there's significant needs being met, there's significant carrots being dangled. Yes,

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And the only thing that stands between I don't know

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you and damn nation is the co chairs deciding your worthiness. Indeed,

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and here we are once again as we turn to

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the mail bag in such a way Boss that I

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have you know at this point it's getting so ridiculous.

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I don't know if it's because you know, the Sports

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Podcast Award organization named a wrestling Podcast of the Year

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thanks in part to those great fans we referenced. I

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don't probably, probably because you're the folks advice just had

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to acknowledge that, you know, we're going to do unheard

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properly for the next season of Dark Side of the Ring.

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We've got to get your co chairs in studio. Yep.

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I don't know if it's live calls of things like

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the World Rumble and Elimination Chamber this year that we're

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also newsworthy and people just need the co chairs reactions.

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You know, if you hang on, if you hang on

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our reactions, then you tell me what the power dynamic is.

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And there's need, there's desire, There is no problem ah,

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I think that's all correct. I think that's a wise

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take on point, and so as as we have always

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made it a practice of doing, when things get a

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little too backed up in the mailroom, we take the

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time to tip our cap to the folks that make

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all this possible, that fuel the engine. It's like, it's

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like miracle on thirty fourth Street, it really is. They

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dump it right in the judge's desk there. I love

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that visual. That is essentially what it is. And we're

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fortunate that we have the smartest fans in podcasting. They

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send us the most hilarious, thoughtful, and sightful correspondences and

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oftentimes well written oftentimes, and it makes for very It

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makes for great audio in and of itself, and that's

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part of the virtuous circle we always talk about around here.

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Going on our eleventh year, if you can believe it,

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I'm starting to feel it, starting to feel it on

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our own right. It takes longer to recover, doesn't it.

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Just yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Definitely, there's

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some significant pain. And we do the pain because you

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make it worth it, and the second you don't make

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it worth it, the pain stops and you never hear

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from us again a while it continues to be worth

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it your co chairs take to the airwaves. And like

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I said, it's getting so crazy that we might have

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to start instituting a more regular clip of these feedback

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episodes because they're just too money. There's just too many

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iconic moments that have sprouted up organically organic phenomenon if

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you will, as oh yes, organic phenomenon as yodaful. We've

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touched on our recent conquests and so yeah, this mail

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bag contains feedback to the Twin Peaks journey under the

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cinemat and achievement if there ever was one behind the

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Patreon paywall, feedback to the aforementioned premium live events, feedback

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to our most recent event, WWF European Rampage again in

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Germany in nineteen ninety two, and my god, and people

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find things to say about that one I would hope

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so rumbles World War three so much to get to

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and keep them coming, folks, the lapsed fan at gmail

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dot com, and we'll continue to service the account as

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we see fit. And I don't even know where to

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start here. I mean, were going to start with the

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most recent stuff that we received in response to the

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forementioned Germany show. But there are some housekeeping matters that

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we ought to you take this time to address to folks.

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and chop teas, oh yes, remain on fire, oh yes,

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and remain very active and as you might be plotting

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your own on the ground WrestleMania experience this year, wouldn't

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wouldn't hurt at all to fly the lapsed flag and

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let let folks know who do know that you get

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it that you're a fan. Listen, listen. There's no greater feeling. Okay,

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there is no great confirm than when you're in a

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strange place for the uh, you know, the Carne show

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of Carnie shows and you get that you're a fan

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and not that's it. That's all you need, That's all

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I need, right And it's fantastic. It is a fantastic thing.

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So especially especially since we're not going to be on

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the ground this year, that we need people to uh

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we need to share those. Take photos. If you weren't

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into each other, take photos, put them on the Twitter thing,

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email us. I want to see it. I want to

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see I want to see the solar system collide. Yes,

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in Las Vegas now more than ever, Now, more than ever,

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power of the solar system needs to be made manifest.

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And of course we're heading into WrestleMania ourselves, planning of

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course that premium live call in a way that we

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haven't done for years for WrestleMania. So a long time, yes,

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and a lot I mean since uh, I mean certainly

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since COVID. I think COVID was the first time. Well

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they did now, they did the they did the Cody

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definitely post COVID. Okay, all right, that would have been

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the one where Austin stun Vince one last time. Oh yeah,

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Oh that was in Texas, right, that was the yeah,

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because they went back to Texas for some fucking reason.

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Right the rest? Goddamn, is this the third time they bet? No, No,

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this is Vegas. I'm thinking of fucking New Orleans. Are

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they going to New Orleans again? Yeah, they're going to

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New Orleans next year. So stupid three years like time,

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they're really testing, like the the novelty of Mania when

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it's becoming very clear that it just goes to whoever

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pays top dollar, and look, all the power to them

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if that's the strategy that they're obliged to pursue as

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a publicly traded company. But I'm not obliged to enjoy it.

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I'm not obliged to feign enthusiasm. No, I'm good, right,

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that's right. I mean I'm in a Vegas plenty of times, folks. Yeah, yeah,

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that was kind of it. I mean, Vegas and Easter

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just kind of ohh, that's coming up more and more.

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and Vegas is paying them because it's typically such a

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slow weekend and that's why the money's on the table

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to attract them in the first place. Right. So you know,

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if there's one if there's one group of fans of

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like you know, you know, uh, casino owners who are

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like they want to come you know that's fine. You know,

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they want to come, they want to come into Vegas grade.

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could do you know what if we tell them to

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come went east and weekend, you know that weekend there's

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always so fucking bullshit, no ways here for that. We

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have to do it. Then, you know, then if they

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fucking fail, it's no big loss on us. You know,

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we didn't do anything wrong. Yes, it was a hobday weekend.

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if it's a success, then we get a fucking you know,

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we get fucking people like you know, chugging the quarters

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down on fucking throats, see the vision? What is wrong

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with you? And then uh, they'll you think the talents

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kids will get Easter baskets delivered to their hotels. Oh, absolutely,

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like trips will see yeah yeah, yeah, be kind of

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you know, a bunch of Cadbury eggs all over the place. Well,

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you know they call it Cody Burry eggs, so they

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are well, we'll certainly be sated with Uh. Actually maybe

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they're burying Cody twos. That might actually be very it

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needs to be seen. They're certainly working on John Cena

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brother as we'll get to but yeah, we'll be sated

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with Pirogi and fucking uh kill Boss up by the

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time Night two rolls around. Absolutely, this is uh absolutely

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now more than ever a Patreon dot com slash, the

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lapsed fan, the way to justify existence, the way to

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uh get get plugged into the main line, if you will,

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the main line that cast, and of course add free

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versions of the main show such as this one available

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for your Patreon dollar as well. But this WrestleMania season,

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it is in fact the place to be, and they're

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very good way. But again, uh, Pro Wrestling teas that

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the store is Choco Block. Uh there's a Twin Peaks show. Yeah, yeah,

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we got well, we've got a bunch of Twin Peaks shirts.

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also welcome to what we Do shirt on there, which

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is great with the Twin Peaks with actually, well for

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those of us, for those who have a keen eye,

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there are actually three peaks for Triple H Welcome to

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what we do. So there are three peaks. Actually there's

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the loose translations of what professional wrestling is from the

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the original German Last time we were with you and uh,

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the Lapse Academy of of of what of arts and science?

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Arts and sciences? Yes, the Lapse Academy of Arts and Sciences.

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that one on yours truly at some point absolutely is

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my prediction. And uh, then you know down hopefully you

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know they I'll say they haven't. It's it's weird that

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they haven't gotten back to us already. But there is

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a Bavarian Cream Yeah, you know, it was coming shirt.

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wouldn't get approved, but there's there's nothing there that would.

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you know on the nose, yeah, spoof shirts than that one. Yeah,

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this one is sort of less on the nose and

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more on the lip and chin of Auto Vans. A

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good point. The Barian Cream Auto Vance, which is in

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uh you know it's a it's a play on an

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old Dusty road shirt. Yeah. Yeah, there's an American Dream

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Dusty Road shirt with just something just like that. See,

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I was hoping for that, but I wasn't. I didn't

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remember one. I'm trying to, like think of a time

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he's worn an American Dream shirt to the to the ring,

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and I just couldn't think of it. I don't. I

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don't know if he ever wore to the ring, but

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this was one that popped up right away, that kind

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of same design. Yeah, yep, So that's that was That

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was so much fun to get into what it was

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like to be a German wrestling fan. Courtesy of Ben.

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Just another another proof point of what it is that

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we we bring uniquely to the table when we activate

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our collective power and put the collective ahead of the individual.

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You know, That's that's what we stand in testament to.

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And Lindsey Uh was quick to say, you know what,

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if this is, if this is going to be a

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show about UH German wrestling, we got to send hopefully

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can get this to you. We just simply have to

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send a link to this image, which I I find

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myself having a hard time disagreeing with boss. If you

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best October feesh gear. What was that from? That's from

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a I have no fucking ideas when he had because

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him wear in the stupid outfit before too. It definitely

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staring at Germany tour. I mean he looks like a perf.

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I mean he's also got his hands covering his crotch,

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like like, what are you doing there? Extremely questionable? Yeah,

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he's he's covering his brat, someone wrote. Someone wrote on

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Reddit leader Hogan. Someone wrote, we posted the show dust

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cast fucking straightforward and clear cost So yeah, pro Wrestling

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Teas dot Com cooking uh with takes on lines and

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inspirations from the most recent shows. It's just sprouting up

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like organic phenomenon. And we encourage you because actually that

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should probably be a shirt too. Thanks. Mean, I've been

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saying it enough for God's sakes. I think that's twice

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this episode, if not three times. But of course Dicky

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shot Tease has got your higher end apparel beyond T shirts.

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He's got your your hoodies and jackets and fanny packs

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and pants and hats, sweatmans, so much cool stuff. Yep,

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really elevating the game. Shout out to everybody who saw

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boss Man rock the Letterman jacket on Unhurt. That's right,

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And you know there's a funny there's a funny story

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there too, because it's it's just a little in the sleeves.

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It's a little snug, well in me in the studio too.

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I mean it's well, not only not only that, like, yeah,

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so it's a little Number one is a little snug

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on the arms and number two, you know, that was

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our second recording, but it was already hot in the

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studio by that point. And so as soon as and

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a bird's eye view of the monitors, so I could

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see what was actually you know, what camera was hot, right,

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and so I you know the moment that it was

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it was the two shot of Jack and Evan. I

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immediately started like taking this thing off because it was

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so fucking up. But I'm also trying to be like

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as quiet as possible, but it's not necessarily working that way,

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and the panic is setting in. Let's be honest. Yeah,

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the thing is, I was starting to feel very, very constricted.

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I could feel like I was I was definitely getting

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the claustrophobia, like I was never gonna be able to

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get his fucking jacket off of ever, and so I'm

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like freaking out. But fortunately he didn't get You know,

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the guy was smart enough. Oh he was good en us,

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smart enough. He fucking knew what he was doing. But

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he was he he knew enough to like say, oh, yeah,

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he's fucking struggling with the jacket. I'm gonna not go

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to him. Absolutely, yes, And that's not your burden to

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carry because that was a limited run. I'm not sure

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there are many left, but if there are, I'm sure

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you would wear them and much more a prop climbs

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then we found ourselves in. But we just couldn't let

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the opportunity pass to rock that that piece. I mean,

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that is just for sure that we need to get

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on that. I needed to get it on the on

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some kind of screen. So hit chop teas dot com

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I can imagine why you'd be listening to this show

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just to get gift ideas for someone who does. But

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if folks reach out, you never know, maybe we're giving

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the idea to someone to give to somebody else. Whatever

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the case may be. You want to check that store

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out to support the podcast, of course, cameos Rocking, Boss Management, Dealing, Fielding,

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many strange requests out there, some of which have been

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complete home runs. You want to tell the people if

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we haven't told them already, I don't think we have.

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Some of the more recent adventures from cameo, Yeah, there was, Well,

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my favorite one was there was a an April Fool's

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joke that someone was going to play on their wife

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and they wanted to be a voicemail of Hulk Hogan,

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you know, basically saying that this guy's wife left his

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after credit card at one of the Hogan beat shops

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and just you know, basically go with it, Yes, and

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you know that's what happens. Why why is why? Brother?

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Why are you leaving a credit card my place? Dude?

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Like what's the deal with that brother? You know, and

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do the whole thing and then yelling at her, yelling

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at well, I mean, because you don't. You don't just

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do that, because you're not trying to send a secret

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signal exactly. There's definitely a problem, there's something wrong, something

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would be read into you. Oh god, it was glorious.

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It worked. I mean, it's great, it was. You couldn't

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tell if it was legit or if it wasn't. Sounds

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like something else I can something else I could mention,

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but Cameo dot com slash the laps fan, do engage

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the rogues gallery of lapsed characters for your and your

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friends and families enjoyment. Sometimes the till gets rather full,

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and we apologize if we can't get back to immediately.

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But do know we're trying to stay faithful to it

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and stay on top of it. But sometimes, bus there's

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just a burst of need on that thing. So it

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comes in such interesting waves. It does, it does. I'm

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always fascinated by how it all plays out. It's fascinating.

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And you want to talk about kind of like a

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virtuous circle, how we put it right back in to

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the cast. I mean Cameo is not just a place

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that you can get us, but Cameo is a place

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where we can get the carnies right and we can

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get them to weigh in and talk about things, and

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it's always great. Not only go ahead. I'm just saying,

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you know, because it's funny that we do that. I'm

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actually wondering at the point. You know, I know he

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probably gets God knows how many Kevin Nash gets on

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a regular basis. You know, he probably gets hundreds every day.

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But I do wonder if you know, we've I wonder

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how many ask questions like we do. And I wonder

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if you recognize I mean aways coming from me too,

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you know, it's I always send it from my from

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my like fan cameo account. It's what I do. So

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I wonder if you, like, you know, if he ever

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picks up on it, like, oh, there's the same fucking

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guy again. I don't know. I mean, yeah, it really

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is just function of how many come in. Yeah, right, Eventually,

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eventually someone will blow up our spot, because that's how

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people are. But I mean, I don't think it's blown

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up mainlys. I mean it's not like oh they don't care, No,

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they care, but if yeah, it's uh, I think we're

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not the only ones that do it too, Like it's

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just a it's a great way to get a question

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without having to deal with the actual person, right, And

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I'm sure they're happy to to pocket that money and

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take as long as they feel, like, you know, it's

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not like they're they're committing to sit down for two hours,

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you know, the easiest money they've ever made. They love

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it exactly and especially you know the last one and

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asking to get a kick out of it. Yeah, they

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actually enjoy it too. Yeah, you don't know until you

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know if the guy actually is game for the using

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cameo that way. Some have been like, I've never got

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a request like ever Demon Dudley during the Lapsed Funk

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he was no during a No. I don't think we

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engaged them for TNH. It was it was the one

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where during the CID Journey where we got to CID's

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easy w run and we're asking, like why Sid called

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Bubba Prima Donna one time on a shoot interview or

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something you know you could tell you like didn't read

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it before he hit record, and he like came upon

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this question. I love when they do that like it's

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so so funny, screeching hauled. Oh, it's so funny that

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they don't, you know, they just kind of like stumble on,

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Oh oh okay, uh okay, like you know, why don't

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you read it before you press record? Just for your

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own you know protection. But exactly, it's not only you know,

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a resource that you can engage us with. It's not

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only a resource that we can engage the wrestling community with,

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but the solar system writ large can engage folks on

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our behalf as well. You know, they're just like, oh,

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this would be fun. Let me let me throw this

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to the coach here see what uh gentleman Ax has

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to say. And one of the great one of the

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Hall of Fame contributors in that regard has been Zach

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And we most recently did an episode of course, on

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the nineteen eighty six WWF Slammy Awards and the wrestling

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album the music album the WWF for released in late

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nineteen eighty five, featuring all these wrestlers carrying on like

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a bunch of fools, and we noted in the what

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was it called the No No, No, No? What was

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the song, oh Land of one thousand Dances Land of

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a Thousand Dances music video. With all the w W wrestlers,

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we were trying to find people, you know that that

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were perhaps had books or had recollections of being on

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that shoot, and Tito Santana was one of them, but

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we didn't get in touch with him, but Zach reached out.

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Wasn't a huge loss. It wasn't a huge miss on

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our part, come to find out. Never is as Tito

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has a way of putting a postage damp on these

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if you catch my drift, but bless his heart, the

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former Intercontinental champion here courtesy of Zach and this is

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this is the magic, this is w W.

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Speaker 5: E just finishing my workout and I've gotta get this in.

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Jack Brother, you asked me, or maybe your buddy Zach Roller.

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Speaker 2: Dude, asking me to send it to you.

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Speaker 5: Jack. You guys want to know about any recollections I

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have about the stories of filming the WWT record album

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in the eighties.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, He's well.

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Speaker 5: I had never done anything like that, and I the

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only way I could carry a tune is if somebody

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put it in a box and I carry it somewhere.

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I just know that I was not doing a good job,

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and we just kept doing it over and over and over,

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and I'm sure my voice was not coming across.

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Speaker 2: Very nice, okay, but it was fun. I knew we

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were doing something different.

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Speaker 5: I had no idea where we were headed, but it

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turned out to be a great album and the fans love.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where you're headed.

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Speaker 5: And many, many years later, people like you are still

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talking about it.

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Speaker 2: Marks right, Oh my god, it's always this is w

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w E. Hall of Famer. I love to start every time.

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I mean it's like he's reading it. It's like he's reading,

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you know, like like his own introduction, you know, like

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but without with like awful glasses, you know, Yeah, this

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is w w E. Well, at least he does. He

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isn't one of the overchargers on the platform, So that's

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that's uh yeah, that's to his credit. Someone made a

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great suggestion. And at least he doesn't fucking spend spend

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like eight hours going around as fucking office with all

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of his memorabilia like steamboat. Yeah right, you get that,

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no matter the worst and that's not the best. But interestingly,

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someone had posted I thought it was it was a

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great idea. We should just have Tito on every show

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we do, even if he wasn't on it. Oh, that's

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a good idea. Just ask him about it, Just fucking

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say what did you think star K ninety one? Tito?

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Tell us your thoughts about uh, you know e CW

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heat Wave up my ass? Now, I do remember the show,

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but I looked it up and here's what I would say.

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Get a little too close to David Lynch there, But

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that's okay, We'll have plenty of time for that today.

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You say, you know, give him a random like Japanese

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show and say, what are his memories of that? What

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are memories of some like Kobashi Misawa match, what are

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your memories of uh Antonio and Oki and Billy Robinson

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in seventy six? Well, I really wasn't in the business yet.

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It's there to answer your question, ladies and gentlemen, Merce said,

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so lice, let's not forget Merce said, okay, Merce said,

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we're said at all there, Yes, but again, just another

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example the Germany show and Ben bringing the German to

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the table that cameo there from Zack. Just another example

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of things that wouldn't exist if this podcast didn't exist.

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You see what I'm saying, like, yes, it's it's not

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just all out there for the taking, and we happen

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gotta dial in the physique here, It's not going to

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And this is this is Scott coming in recently with

500
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,039
a great suggestion. Scott wants you to know, Boss that

501
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:01,000
he's all four episodes of Lapsed characters going to breakfast

502
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:04,240
diners and ordering food and the interactions with the staff,

503
00:28:05,839 --> 00:28:07,799
and the finale being Vader pulling up in the snow

504
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:10,440
at every single time. I mean, yeah, it has to

505
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,920
be Vader coming out and just like you know, just

506
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,480
throwing shit. Oh it's mister Salis again. What would you

507
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:24,039
like today? Hun? This is this is w w E

508
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:30,960
Hall of Famer Tito Santana. I would like to order

509
00:28:34,039 --> 00:28:39,119
three scrambled eggs ops to Tato. I think it just

510
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:47,119
has a side of breakfast potatoes. He would call him that,

511
00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:51,920
he would you know what else? You know what got

512
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,720
our our Bob, our homie Bob. On the most recent episode,

513
00:28:55,759 --> 00:29:00,640
he writes, Bavarian cream. I nearly choked on my Sicilian

514
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:07,599
sandwich on this holiday trip with lungs and spleen. He advises,

515
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,559
I think rather wisely does Robert. You shouldn't eat and

516
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:13,359
listen to TLF And by the way, the sandwich was

517
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,079
awesome and goot our bite. Ben. He's not the first

518
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:20,359
person to say that. Shout out to Ben, the Solar

519
00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:24,319
System member that did just heretofore unheard amount of research

520
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,559
to assist the podcast and getting an episode across the

521
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:31,119
line that we probably couldn't have approached without without him

522
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,559
and his dedication. So I think that's really that's really

523
00:29:34,799 --> 00:29:37,519
a gold the gold star for the quarter. Yes, okay, yes, no,

524
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:41,160
I don't hesitate to shine that one up. Nick has

525
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,000
a great suggestion. He says, you know what, fuck that,

526
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,319
get all these meats and cheeses on a board and

527
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,720
call it a sharp shooter reboard. That is spectacular. So

528
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,359
if we ever have a little get together with little

529
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:52,359
Finger Meats, Boss, I think the sharp shootery board is

530
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:56,559
at all, definitely, definitely a sharp shooter reboard. Fantastic. Well,

531
00:29:56,559 --> 00:29:57,839
it needs to be on there. I mean, what do

532
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:59,599
you see, what do you what do you taste? I'm

533
00:29:59,599 --> 00:30:04,240
gonna say a lot of Canadian beef, well, Canadian soul.

534
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,240
We have the best in the world, the best beef,

535
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,240
and we got the best beef, like really, I mean,

536
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,079
I'm sure it's delicious. I've never heard of it though,

537
00:30:12,519 --> 00:30:14,519
I know I've never heard of Canadian beef. I know

538
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:16,720
there's a lot of cattle and ship and cowboys out there.

539
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,480
You gotta stampedes after all, you know your Calgary Stampedes

540
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:22,759
and ship. But yeah, now I don't know about this

541
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:27,480
Canadian Canadian buff As we always want to do on

542
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:29,400
these feedback shows. Tips of the cap to folks that

543
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,680
have joined us anew or again on Patreon and are

544
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,400
pledging their support to us in denominations. We gotta do

545
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,799
the fundraising drive, folks. It's like NPR, you know, every

546
00:30:39,839 --> 00:30:42,359
now and then, every now and then, we've got to

547
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,359
We've got to fight back existential threats. We've got to

548
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,839
fight back people that lose sight of why it is

549
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:53,039
that they sit on our every word and our every

550
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:57,359
uh you know. Point of feedback and Heith Harshman, longtime

551
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,000
supporter of the show. Great to see him back in

552
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,000
the fold. Thank you very much for your pledge and

553
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,319
we'll continue working our way down the list for you,

554
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,559
Mike writes on Patreon, which is another reason, by the way,

555
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:12,279
to Pledge. Just hilarious back and forth from Pledging members.

556
00:31:12,359 --> 00:31:15,920
It's absolutely amazing underneath the audio file of the latest

557
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:19,160
offering from your co chairs, just such great insight. We

558
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,200
can always count if we trip up and hit a

559
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,279
point on a show where we're not sure about something,

560
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,599
or something doesn't make sense, or we we make some

561
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,680
stupid error, like what is it we called, Oh my god,

562
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,880
la May we call it the outfit the clothing lame,

563
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:36,720
a lame outfit instead of a La May outfit, which

564
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:39,359
I've never honestly never heard of. I mean, might be

565
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:44,000
a lame outfit, right, you know? And we said something

566
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:47,799
of Pam. Uh for one of the albums the Theater

567
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,160
of said Theater of Pain. We said Theater of Pam.

568
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,400
Someone said that it's like an album about Bailey, you know,

569
00:31:54,440 --> 00:32:00,319
I'd like you remember we were talking about how the

570
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:03,720
hell Carson Schaeffer could claim to have seen Triple H

571
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:08,200
backstage at WrestleMania eleven in nineteen ninety five. Yeah, that

572
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,440
makes no sense, Mike writes. Triple H may have been

573
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,720
at WrestleMania eleven. He left WCW in January nineteen ninety five.

574
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:16,960
His vignettes ran on WWFTV in April nineteen ninety five,

575
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,960
which means they would have had to be filmed before then.

576
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,599
That leaves open the possibility he was with the company

577
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:23,960
in March of that year. A little not so fun

578
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,559
trivia Triple H's first televised match are at April thirtieth,

579
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:31,119
nineteen ninety five, defeating buck Zoomhoff. Oh that's a fucking

580
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:35,920
ugh wow that is That's not a good trivia question.

581
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,680
I'll tell you that. Not at all. Recently and under

582
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,880
the cinnamat we went back to the covid era. Thanks

583
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,599
we did. I tell people who you know might be

584
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,359
listening to this on the main feed and are hipped

585
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:49,000
utd of the cinemat yet, how it is you brilliantly

586
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,119
pivoted off of that one of a kind David Lynch

587
00:32:51,119 --> 00:32:54,200
twin Peaks journey. What do we get ourselves into maybe

588
00:32:54,200 --> 00:33:00,000
a little lockdown scenario? I mean, yeah, you know, oftentimes

589
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,920
I like to if I know we're going in a

590
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,480
certain direction after you know, after if we're going, if

591
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,319
we're doing some kind of a long journey we're doing

592
00:33:09,319 --> 00:33:12,920
like a big, big movie, I like to counterbalance it

593
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:21,480
with something that is absolutely atrocious and is just some

594
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:25,480
of the worst fucking cinema you could possibly imagine. And

595
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,759
you know, it's it's not the nicest thing to say,

596
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:35,480
but you're you're gonna be in luck with that when

597
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,680
it comes to Kevin Nash, because a lot of his

598
00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:41,400
movies are just absolute garbage. And it's kind of funny

599
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:45,480
because because he's got so many, like he's a kind

600
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:51,680
of a fifty to fifty, you know, record in terms

601
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:55,799
of you know, big, good, big movies and crappy small movies.

602
00:33:56,599 --> 00:33:58,759
It's really a fifty to fifty. So we've been able

603
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,039
to confirm to the aforementioned Cano channels that he's very

604
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:03,039
self aware about what movies he's done that are ship

605
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,240
and which movies he's done aren't. Necessarily he's one of

606
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,719
the best ones we've ever gotten, was him commenting for

607
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,440
this episode on this movie. He called it, Yes, he

608
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:15,159
called it a It was like being on a sophomore

609
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:19,960
in high school student film COVID nineteen as COVID nineteen Invasion,

610
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:32,840
sometimes called lockdown. But man, what a Sometimes sometimes it's

611
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,719
just you got to go, you know, hey, you know

612
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,079
you got to have We get to hurt too sometimes

613
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,320
and I'm okay, with us, with putting us through that.

614
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 1: He's a la fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that

615
00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,400
knows the boys need their candy. It's the last fan.

616
00:35:15,079 --> 00:35:18,320
He's an elapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and.

617
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: We were asking, we were wondering on the episode what

618
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,320
what uh I s D stood for. We came upon

619
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:32,519
some clips somewhere IDU was independent school district thanks to Austin,

620
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,119
a Texan in his own right. I think it might

621
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:38,119
have been in one of the stories. Yeah, that's a

622
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:40,320
good that's a good one. It's his I s D

623
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,199
often levy good. I s D is often levy property

624
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,800
taxes and all non exempt property with I know what

625
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,599
it was, right, the I s D. That was the

626
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:53,159
That was because they were selling this school that the

627
00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:57,239
director of the film wanted to buy because they shot

628
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,800
in there. They they well, yeah, yeah yeah, and he

629
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,079
wanted to buy this building to make it a film studio.

630
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,400
Amazing FU A lot more from that from that, what

631
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,039
is it? Micah what Micah lyons? Michah lions the director.

632
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:10,880
We get to know him quite well on the episode.

633
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,280
But what's Marshall Texas, by the way, is part of

634
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,239
what the ISD would be here? Right. In this case,

635
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,840
he says, does Austin Marshall, Texas. The Marshall is SD

636
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,880
would be in charge of purchasing and selling the building,

637
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,119
So that would have been the aforementioned micah Lyons would

638
00:36:30,119 --> 00:36:33,159
have would have been talking to. But what is Marshall,

639
00:36:33,159 --> 00:36:36,079
Texas really known for? Austin ads Marshall was known for

640
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:38,599
a long time as the patent capital of the US.

641
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:41,119
Who knew. Wow, it's interesting by this, I mean it

642
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:43,159
was where the majority of patent cases are tried, which

643
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,360
led to patent trolls purposely trying cases in the US

644
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,840
Eastern Texas District Court. Here's a good write up about it.

645
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,000
He lynxius to w a BBC article with perhaps the

646
00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:53,440
key quote being Marshall became a haven for what's called

647
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,639
patent trolls, companies that buy up old or vague patents

648
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,039
as a means to file multiple lawsuits. That's a big

649
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:01,440
fucking red, white and blue thumbs up right there. Wow, yep.

650
00:37:01,519 --> 00:37:03,599
Their goal was to squeeze money out of businesses that

651
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:05,800
decide it's easier to pay a small settlement and make

652
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,760
a case go away rather than fight it out with

653
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,159
high priced lawyers. So what they're doing is fucking They're

654
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,960
just buying patents that are out there that no one

655
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,400
cares about and then trying to find, like trying to

656
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,719
find a case out there that companies are violating a

657
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,440
patent that wasn't even there is to begin with, but

658
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,039
they now own. And it's just like it's just a

659
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:28,840
scheme to get people to just cut you quick check.

660
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,760
Is that whole area just about scamming people? Who knows?

661
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,760
What the hell Marshall Texas? Why the hell Marshall Texas

662
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,880
became ground zero for that? But I don't know, Probably not,

663
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,079
because there's honest people everywhere around there. I mean, because

664
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:43,719
you get the I mean, it's no different than the

665
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,679
scam that Mike Lions is putting up palaw on people.

666
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,679
In my opinion. It's not fact. It is my opinion,

667
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,519
just my opinion. I'm just going to make sure that's clear. Absolutely. Pete,

668
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,440
big shout out to you, thanks for joining the executive

669
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,840
producer to here to enjoy the afrementioned under the cinemat

670
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:02,039
and all the other benefits there too. We talked recently

671
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:04,719
about fanfare for the common Man. Didn't we ayes We

672
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,719
did plays during the aforementioned WAF European Rampage television broadcast

673
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,119
as it aired in Germany, and Craig, along with several others,

674
00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:14,280
mentioned to us at the version A fanfare for the

675
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,239
common Man on that wrestling show is a version done

676
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,280
by Emerson Lake and Palmer, a legendary progressive rock band.

677
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,480
That is the version that you hear on the on

678
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:24,559
the broadcast. He attaches us to a link of them

679
00:38:24,599 --> 00:38:28,599
playing in nineteen ninety two, where but the Royal Albert Hall. Boss.

680
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:37,719
That's right, that's the Royal Albert Hall in my home

681
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,559
town a lot in England. MVP status fan Big Steve

682
00:38:41,639 --> 00:38:43,679
wants you to know that he needs that Bavarian cream

683
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,719
shirt in the worst way. It's common, common in all

684
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,960
ways you can imagine. So I'll listen. It's it's it's common.

685
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,719
As soon as it gets approved, I might have to

686
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,079
fucking email them and bug them and say where the

687
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:56,760
fuck's my shirt?

688
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 6: Ah?

689
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,599
Speaker 2: You may you may have remembered noting that Mike McGirk

690
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:05,440
has a penchant for saying unhaling from Glenn Falls, New York. Yes,

691
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:08,360
not hailing, unhaling or perhaps and haaling, and it sounds

692
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,239
like unhaling. I mean that's a that's a I mean

693
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:13,920
on hailing. That's how you have to say it, because

694
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,320
it definitely sounds like un like gun, right, it definitely

695
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,719
sounds like un I mean, you know, I could be wrong,

696
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:24,880
but it sounds like un to me. And on that point,

697
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,039
Paul on Patreon makes the brilliant point that Dugan might

698
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:30,559
have been unhaling from Glenn's falls, but he and Schiky

699
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:37,079
were certainly inhaling. In New Jersey, Bryce bar two, huge

700
00:39:37,079 --> 00:39:39,440
shout out to you, my friend, for bumping all the

701
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:44,119
way up to the moat tier rarefied Air. We understand

702
00:39:44,159 --> 00:39:47,199
it's it's a high dollar value to pay, but it's

703
00:39:47,199 --> 00:39:49,119
our It's the rider die t here. It's the folks

704
00:39:49,199 --> 00:39:51,280
that are, like, you know, not just doing it because

705
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,519
I get something out of it. It's not just about me,

706
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:55,960
me me, me, me me me. I'm doing it because

707
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,639
you deserve it, not just because what I get for it.

708
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,800
But we do throw you the extra b of the

709
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,880
one of a kind experience of getting on the living

710
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,679
room carpet just like it used to be. Oh yeah,

711
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,440
with mom in the background while you're watching wrestling. Mama sorrow,

712
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,280
it's wrestle, Mamia. Why don't you tell them, boss, what

713
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,599
awaits them if they can indeed afford to take that

714
00:40:14,679 --> 00:40:17,679
Motier plunge. Well, you know we've been on you know,

715
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,719
it's it's certainly it's WrestleMania season. So right now there

716
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:30,079
is a load of WrestleMania themed matches that we lined

717
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:32,679
up for my mom to watch, or we I lined

718
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:34,960
up for my mom to watch. One of the more

719
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:45,599
recent ones was the the WrestleMania two thousand Hardcore Battle Royal. Yeah,

720
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,800
you better watch that. You better watch that. Absolutely, that's

721
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,239
a fiasco and a half. Yes it is. You know,

722
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:54,320
got to get her confused, she enjoys. No, she had

723
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:58,480
many questions. I'm sure many questions, and I'm sure you

724
00:40:58,519 --> 00:41:01,599
know it's been a while, but I I'm sure that

725
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:07,719
it ended with her saying, I'm okay, if we never

726
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:12,000
see something like that, which, of course, if she only

727
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:15,639
knew better, that means we're definitely gonna see shit like

728
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:18,800
that again yet duly noted. But usually by the time

729
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,679
we get there, she's forgotten all about it. It's like

730
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,119
starting over. Yeah, yeah, because you certainly look, I've seen

731
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:26,079
you re explain the same set of rules within the

732
00:41:26,119 --> 00:41:29,559
same match. Call let alone across different yes, being able

733
00:41:29,559 --> 00:41:32,199
to remember across different different matches, so always always an

734
00:41:32,199 --> 00:41:39,280
absolute joy too. And coming up though, I'll say, I mean, yeah,

735
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:46,679
it'll be, it'll be. Uh Hogan and Vince from nineteen

736
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,679
from nineteen, God, what she must think of Vince being

737
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:56,719
all bloodied and everything. Oh yeah, well it was. It

738
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,880
was a trip. It was a fucking trip, for sure,

739
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,519
Motor David noted on her call episode one thirty five

740
00:42:04,559 --> 00:42:08,079
of Sergeant Slaughter versus Pat Patterson from nineteen eighty one.

741
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,400
At some point she says, quote, this is a bullfight,

742
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,480
and David writes, Mama Sorrow is far more accurate than

743
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:23,119
she intended to be. Could absolutely say that again, my friend.

744
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:28,599
Speaker 7: Oh God, as we think about the spirit of giving,

745
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:32,039
Zach points out on Patreon, you know, I bet it's

746
00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:34,239
a safe bet that many TLF fans, he says, buy

747
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,159
the co Chair's Christmas gifts before anyone else in their lives.

748
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 2: And I'm thinking, thinking it through it, I'm like, you

749
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:43,320
know what, He's right, because it has to be that way, yes,

750
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:49,000
because we have to have those things secured before it

751
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:51,639
even makes much sense to shop for those around you.

752
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,840
But this is probably the earliest we've ever reminded folks,

753
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,440
don't don't sleep on it. If you've got an idea,

754
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:01,760
if you've got something that you think than belongs in

755
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:06,119
the till for the next unwrapping, it's it's never too early,

756
00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:09,360
it's only just too late very often, get it, send

757
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,559
it in and fucking put it on. You know, I

758
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:14,920
got an area in my office right as pile shit up.

759
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:20,039
Absolutely you do, and that's that's always always open to

760
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:22,719
you if you want to be absolutely sure that whenever

761
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,480
it is your CoA chairs, make time to salute the

762
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,519
hearth as only we can. That you're part of the experience.

763
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:32,480
It's the lapsed fan seven ten Main Street, South po

764
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,440
Bucks one one nine Southbury, Connecticut zero six four eighty

765
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:42,360
eight for your unwrappening needs. Charles writes to us, we

766
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:49,039
were talking about Sean versus Savage and just how much

767
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,199
was left on the table. They never had a program,

768
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,519
you know, they really just wrestled a handful of matches.

769
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,800
It's really quite sad. And someone else pointed out, I'll

770
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,440
shout out the name in a moment. As we were

771
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:03,079
fantas sizing about Savage versus Steve Austin In nineteen ninety

772
00:44:03,079 --> 00:44:05,760
eight and WWF, yes, do you know they did wrestle

773
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:12,119
once in WSW No. Ninety five on Saturday Night. Oh wow,

774
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:16,639
stunning Steve, long blonde hair, macho man, a relatively fresh

775
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:19,920
in the company, and they mixed it up. So if you,

776
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,800
if you're so inclined, you can find and see and

777
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,320
sense the dynamic in ring dynamic between Savage and Austin. Now,

778
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,519
this is hardly stone cold, the stone still stunning. Steve

779
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:35,559
is still still phenomenal, phenomenal, It's just not the it's

780
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:37,840
not the in ring clash of styles that I think

781
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,159
you picture when you picture it in attitude. WWF. It's

782
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,920
a different worker, it's different approach. If you're stunning Steve,

783
00:44:44,159 --> 00:44:47,079
he's bumping and feeding. I'm thinking of a baby face

784
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,000
Austin that's got to fend off a psychotic Savage, you know,

785
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,800
not a neon wearing, slim gym cracking babyface Savage, but

786
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,920
macho man. Verse HBK was the subject of a lot

787
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,079
of discussion in terms of how often it happened and

788
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,360
when I think we ran down definitive listed of course,

789
00:45:01,639 --> 00:45:04,239
included matches on the nineteen ninety two Post Wrestling the

790
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:06,440
eight European tour. Not only the Germany show we talked

791
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,199
about last time we were with you, but the European

792
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,400
show that it's say, I sorry the England show as well.

793
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,039
But Charlie writes, hello co chairs, I was listening to

794
00:45:14,039 --> 00:45:15,880
your newest episode and my years perked up when I

795
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,000
heard your reference. A match between Randy Savage and Shawn

796
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,159
Michaels on July sixth, nineteen ninety three. I think that

797
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:25,320
was the last one they did, had a TV taping

798
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,280
in Wilkesburry, Pennsylvania, my hometown. I happen to have a

799
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:30,639
personal connection to this match, even though I was still

800
00:45:30,679 --> 00:45:32,360
a little more than two years from being born at

801
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,320
the time. While going through some old family photos a

802
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,119
few years ago, I found a disposable camera photo of

803
00:45:38,119 --> 00:45:40,159
the macho man standing on the apron and what looked

804
00:45:40,199 --> 00:45:42,920
like a high school gym. After some digging on cage match,

805
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,639
I determined that it must have been taken at the

806
00:45:44,639 --> 00:45:50,239
TV taping above mentioned Wilkes University Art Center. I assumed

807
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,199
my uncle, a wrestling fan to the extent that any

808
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,159
kid in the early eighties nineties, was rather monstev dragged

809
00:45:55,199 --> 00:45:58,039
my grandfather along and one of the two snapped the photo.

810
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:00,599
I'd asked my uncle about it, but unfortunately no one

811
00:46:00,639 --> 00:46:02,599
has seen or heard from him in a few years.

812
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,599
If you're curious, The w w returned to the March

813
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:07,000
Center three more times, twice at night. Probably'd probably deny

814
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,800
it happen anyway, you think, Yeah, you know once he wrestling.

815
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:12,800
We didn't do that ship. I never going to see

816
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:18,280
fake shit. You know, come here, sult me like that again. Hey,

817
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:23,199
you know what, give here here, give me fuck shit.

818
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:30,519
H Ever ever fucking say I watched watch fake shit again,

819
00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:34,039
I didn't. I didn't say you watched fake ship. I

820
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,159
said you watch this man. But there it is. Look

821
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:39,920
at that. Imagine finding that one. That's a beautiful, that

822
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:44,960
blue pole, Randy and Sherry up on the apron. That's wild.

823
00:46:46,039 --> 00:46:47,480
And to not even you know, for it to not

824
00:46:47,519 --> 00:46:49,159
be yours, but to find it in your house and

825
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:51,840
to have to decode like where in your family history

826
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,000
it's from. If you're curious, he writes, The deputy return

827
00:46:55,079 --> 00:46:57,280
to the mart Center three more times twice in nineteen

828
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,880
ninety four. Another Superstars taping and house show not a

829
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,199
wrestling challenge shaping in nineteen ninety five. Most of the

830
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:03,960
matches are what you'd expect from a seat here town,

831
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:07,119
like Will Sperry Quang versus Jim Powers a main event

832
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:09,880
anywhere in the world. Absolutely, though a Blaze Nakano title

833
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,360
match cut my eye. I never would have ben I

834
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,480
would love it. I would love it if like Quang

835
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:16,079
versus Jim Power's main event in somehow show oh my,

836
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:18,519
like one of those dark matches on and in your

837
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:20,840
house after they go off the air. Yeah, right, and

838
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,639
that's your fucking main event. Like people are gone before

839
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,480
that fucking Quang. People are gone before they before the

840
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:32,480
bell rings ough to begin. Last time I said Kwang

841
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:35,320
was when I was trying to mouth the sounds of

842
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,920
Ken SHAMROCK's entrance thing. It's neither here nor there. I

843
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,920
may have went anywhere in the world. I never would

844
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,639
have imagined bull Knock and O of all people he

845
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,880
writes to have ever set foot in my dumpy little town.

846
00:47:45,199 --> 00:47:47,400
Apologies for the end solicited history lesson, but it's not

847
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:49,840
every day I hear my hometown mentioned on my favorite podcast.

848
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,519
Thanks for reading, and hope you get a kick out

849
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:53,960
of the photo. Well, indeed, we did. We love those

850
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:57,039
personal mementos. You know that fans have a unique little

851
00:47:57,039 --> 00:47:59,679
story about that they can share with us, and that's

852
00:47:59,679 --> 00:48:00,960
a good one. And you can see the wear on

853
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:03,360
the photo, little white dots where it's kind of been

854
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,920
chipped away at I'd so many of those because you know,

855
00:48:08,039 --> 00:48:10,400
you brought shitty cameras to wrestling shows you just did,

856
00:48:11,199 --> 00:48:13,440
and there were shadowy shots from far away from the

857
00:48:13,519 --> 00:48:16,920
ring and still, you know, why do you think you

858
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,679
think you're you're getting ah, you think you know, like

859
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:25,079
you're taking like sports magazine worthy. Yes, you do photos

860
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:27,159
like you think you're going to get actual action shots,

861
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:29,440
you know, like you want to get like I try

862
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,480
to get shots if someone jumping off the top rope

863
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:33,519
and they're in mid air and it's like they're just

864
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:36,599
a blurry fucking mess, always a mess. It's always always

865
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,800
pitch black in the background. Yeah, yeah, yep, they're always

866
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:42,119
like doing something not athletic when you when you happen

867
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:44,719
to snap the photo. But when you're looking through the lens, man,

868
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,079
it's not like a you know, it's not like a

869
00:48:46,159 --> 00:48:48,639
camera phone where you essentially see the picture you're going

870
00:48:48,679 --> 00:48:50,400
to get right on your screen before you capture it.

871
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,119
You don't know how the lighting is going to react.

872
00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:54,480
You don't know what you're going to end up with.

873
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:56,320
You you'd like to think you're going to end up

874
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,639
with a facsimile of what the naked eye can see

875
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:00,159
in the arena and what you can see to the

876
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:04,360
viewfinder of the old school camera. But my god, is

877
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,519
there so many other hoops to jump through inside the

878
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:09,679
technology before it spits out to the final the final proof,

879
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,440
if you will. And that was always nerve wracking, you know,

880
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:14,800
going to the pharmacy and getting those photo printouts, because

881
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:16,880
it's going to be worth it, or it's going to

882
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,639
He never knew, you never knew, just way too much

883
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:23,360
headroom in every shot, pretending you were front row even

884
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,000
though you were, you know, in the lower bowl, zooming

885
00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,440
in like crazy, which only focks the picture up more

886
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:32,840
yep yep, Bez writes to us, Jack wondered if Brett

887
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,480
ever won another singles match with the elbow drop, as

888
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:37,719
we noted with interest that he beats the Mount Tea

889
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,519
with the elbow off the middle rope. No, sorry, Dino,

890
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:42,320
by the reason I said Mount, You'll see in a second.

891
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:44,719
Bez wants us to know, as many other shout out

892
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,639
to everybody that pointed this out to us that Brett

893
00:49:47,679 --> 00:49:49,960
did in fact win on the November thirtieth, nineteen ninety

894
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,480
one Madison Square Gardenhouse Show when he pinned the Mounty

895
00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:55,199
with that same elbow. Wow, so he was in his

896
00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,639
elbow as a finisher phase. I guess so, pase big

897
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:02,480
shout out to you for joining the eptor my friend,

898
00:50:02,519 --> 00:50:04,800
we want to thank you very much, Joe writes the

899
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,559
German TLF fan. Not that he needs my validation or

900
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:09,639
that he'll let even know, but it has to be said.

901
00:50:09,679 --> 00:50:12,679
Holy smokes to the German fellow. That's Ben who helped

902
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,320
with the last two episodes. Guy is fan of the Year,

903
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:18,480
Joe writes early odds on Favorite and its description of

904
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:20,760
needing to do the research once he began. Just again,

905
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,119
bravo and add a boy to that. Guy just dropped

906
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,360
obligated to say something considering the time and effort dude

907
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,159
put into it all the best. You guys truly are

908
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:31,239
the best college podcast around. I agree. Are there college

909
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:33,920
podcast awards we can enter too? Oh? We really should

910
00:50:35,039 --> 00:50:38,559
we should just enter them. Wait wait a minute, how

911
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:43,519
old are you guys? You guys in college? How do

912
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:46,360
you guys consider yourself a college pop baller? Fans say it,

913
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:49,519
listeners say, we're a college podcast all the time. So

914
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:54,199
who are we to question? Well, well, what college are you? Guys?

915
00:50:54,280 --> 00:51:01,159
Affiliated with your mom? Your mom's university? Yeah? Why am

916
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,559
you what? Yeah? We're we are we go to ym you.

917
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,280
What's what's why am you your mom's university? I'll tell

918
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,360
you one thing. I want to want to roll in

919
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,800
Tom's backyard wrestling Federation. Here's what he remembers. Back in

920
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,800
the late nineties, My friends and I had a backyard

921
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,960
wrestling federation, and one of our factions was the condiments.

922
00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:23,880
We took red, yellow, green, white, and blue book socks

923
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,360
and wore them as lugit door masks and had ketchup

924
00:51:26,639 --> 00:51:29,639
as a wrestler, mustard as a wrestler, relish mayonnaise, and

925
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:35,760
blue cheese, which was I thought, fucking idiots, he said, seriously,

926
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,800
it's the dumbest shit ever ketchup versus mayonnaise and a

927
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,480
fight to the death. Brandon collared, Holler at you, boy,

928
00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:45,440
and thanks for that ep level tier, my friend. We

929
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,920
appreciate the cake and the vote of confidence, Adam says,

930
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:56,559
of course, Nash booked himself to go over COVID clean. Yeah,

931
00:51:56,639 --> 00:52:00,840
fucking you know, shit, I'm fucking a fucking yeah now

932
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,920
paying me enough the fucking job to a disease. You're

933
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,719
talking about covers, cover songs and the art of the cover.

934
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,280
Oh yes, oh yes on the episode because the director

935
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,440
had had done some covers and we sampled those. Williams says,

936
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,119
Mad World was a great cover. But be careful summoning

937
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:19,760
Donnie Darko around those. I know he kind of wants

938
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,320
it to happen just so he can say that it's

939
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:23,079
done and never has to think about it ever again.

940
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:25,880
I do, I do want to just get it done.

941
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,559
William liked Donnie Darko at the time, and Darko and

942
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,119
Chill served me very well for a time. Yeah, I'm sure.

943
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:40,280
Did I see that with you Donny dark Out? Now? Yeah? Good? Oh?

944
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,559
I good to help people that don't know, it's just

945
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,559
a fucking it's just a you know, it's just it's

946
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:49,000
a film school. It's a film student movie. You know,

947
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:54,719
it's that. It's that especially of our generation, like you know,

948
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:58,199
you didn't you didn't live, you weren't really a film

949
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,440
student unless you loved Donnie dark You saw it. You

950
00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:03,599
had to love it, right, you love it? You had

951
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:08,039
to fucking love Donnie Darko and I saw it at

952
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:11,679
the Coolidge Corner Theater. It's a good start and I

953
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:17,599
loathed it clothed, but it qualifies, and so I feel

954
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:20,480
like we need to suffer through it Darko and Schille.

955
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:23,000
He says, But the emo cult that sprung up around

956
00:53:23,039 --> 00:53:25,719
it is awful. Yeah, I wonder how much of Emo

957
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,320
came from that. I mean, I'm sure it was was

958
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,039
before then, because I mean, Donny Darko came out like

959
00:53:31,119 --> 00:53:34,039
while we were in college, right, but it's like two

960
00:53:34,039 --> 00:53:40,559
thousand and two or something, But it's uh yeah, I mean,

961
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:44,079
but it definitely again it it just again. It's one

962
00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:45,880
of those movies. It's one of those movies that you

963
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:48,440
just if you're a film student, you had to love.

964
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,519
You weren't allowed to not love it. And I didn't,

965
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,840
So I guess I was never really a film student. Yeah,

966
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,480
that's my takeaway. Austin's back with more Smoke on the

967
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,199
on the COVID movie, which is shot in Texas, is

968
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,199
mentioned by Texas guy. Uh. He says, first of all,

969
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,400
on the cover front, Johnny cash is hurt is another

970
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,400
cover that is completely different than the original. I agree,

971
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,320
and it's a wonderful one. So one of the more

972
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,400
memorable packages they ever did was hurt to Eddie Guerrero

973
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:17,400
after he passed away. That's a really I've watched that

974
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,280
one a million times. It's a really touching matching of

975
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:25,360
song to to visuals. There, he says the recurring theme

976
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:29,719
great musicians can reinterpret great song successfully. Average musicians should

977
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,320
refrain from giving us quote unquote their version. Yeah, I

978
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,880
would endorse that. Yeah, yeah, well again, Yeah. What it

979
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,440
really comes down to is two things is the is

980
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:42,559
the artist good enough to uh to cover the song?

981
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:47,760
Are they worthy enough to cover the song? And does

982
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:52,519
it fit within there that that artist particular style without

983
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,119
you know, is it a good innovation of the song?

984
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,800
That's what really counts, right, and you know, if it's

985
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,159
then you shouldn't do it. We spent a lot of

986
00:55:03,199 --> 00:55:06,400
time trying to piece together just what was the financing

987
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,960
behind this film, like why did anybody find it necessary

988
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:10,559
to make? What was the deal with the director and

989
00:55:10,639 --> 00:55:13,960
his history? And eventually we landed on it's probably like

990
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,039
a Bible adjacent enterprise and new when sure enough, when

991
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,559
we sat down to watch the COVID nineteen movie COVID

992
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:23,400
nineteen Invasion. There's like a gratuitous Bible scene right in

993
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:25,199
the middle of it, where guy's reading the Bible in bed,

994
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:27,960
and it's like focused. It's a very subtle way of

995
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:31,960
kind of making it all about God, which doesn't disqualify anything.

996
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,639
It's just you can very easily be fooled into thinking that,

997
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,480
like this was financed because someone thought it was going

998
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:39,559
to be a terrific action movie, but actually it's sort

999
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:41,880
of a trojan horse for some of that messaging to

1000
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,559
get out there. It always is. Yeah, and I think

1001
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:47,719
the Preston would Baptist Church factored in quite a bit,

1002
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,239
didn't it. Yes, Yes, that's what I mean. That's the presumption.

1003
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:57,440
We don't know for sure. Perception rights, it's the not

1004
00:55:57,599 --> 00:55:59,880
all the dots connected, but a lot of the dots

1005
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:05,480
were aiming towards that that direction. And Austin says, I

1006
00:56:05,519 --> 00:56:08,760
grew up minutes away from that church and knew many

1007
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,719
kids that went to their high school. My favorite nickname

1008
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,239
used around town for their very large worship hall was

1009
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,239
six Flags over Jesus. It is definitely in the vein

1010
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,760
of churches. The creators of the righteous Gemstones would have

1011
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,880
had in mind, and he says, growing up in Texas,

1012
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,679
I can spot a televangelist altright grifter when I see one,

1013
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,639
and our boy fits that vibe to a t with

1014
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,480
his with his perspective on the things, Steve the homie

1015
00:56:35,679 --> 00:56:38,880
out in Ireland. We were talking about how wrestling in

1016
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,880
Germany was called catch and how you know, yes, catch

1017
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,079
up and catching and all that. Yes, Steve says that

1018
00:56:45,159 --> 00:56:47,599
his supervisor and work is French and also refers to

1019
00:56:47,639 --> 00:56:54,199
wrestling as z catch, yes, the catch ze catch, as

1020
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,199
well as being very dismaded in how many French Canadians

1021
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,480
work or worked in WW as they are Yankees with

1022
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:02,320
shit French. That's exactly shit, nothing more European than using

1023
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,159
shit as an adjective. You know, it's shit, oh shit.

1024
00:57:07,159 --> 00:57:09,360
And he also says that Bruce Pritchard's in his podcast

1025
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,800
there's definitely something more personal to Randy never coming back

1026
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,599
to w B. Well, we can speculate on that all day,

1027
00:57:14,639 --> 00:57:17,199
but that's of course the that's of course a subject

1028
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,400
of discussion on that episode as well. When discussing what

1029
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,639
could have been with Randy and Austin, Randy and Sean,

1030
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,119
you know in these programs that we never got to taste.

1031
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:29,199
Big reminder that whenever you want to support the co

1032
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,119
chairs but you might not be interested in a Patreon subscription,

1033
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,159
you can always throw a little digital tip our way,

1034
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:35,880
as so many great members of the Solar System have

1035
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,000
over the years. Just type the lapsed fan at gmail

1036
00:57:38,039 --> 00:57:40,360
dot com into your PayPal and you can leave us

1037
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:43,039
a little at a boy, just like Michael did. Just

1038
00:57:43,119 --> 00:57:44,880
drop this on lines and thanks for all you do,

1039
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,920
and it was just it was just lovely. It's lovely

1040
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:49,320
to get those little boosts some folks that want to

1041
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,280
let you know that there that they appreciate what you do.

1042
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,360
Jorome also backs up that Bretthart used the elbow drop

1043
00:57:55,559 --> 00:57:57,400
as a bee finisher because he's seen footage of him

1044
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:00,840
beating Moundie with it at MSG, and he says the

1045
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,400
episode that we did were, of course Shawn Michael shines

1046
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:06,840
with Sherry in his corner against Randy Savage, which led

1047
00:58:07,079 --> 00:58:09,239
to the second straight episode of US going off on

1048
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,880
how incredible Sherry was and how much how pathetic it

1049
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:14,880
is if you don't realize that you know, or how

1050
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,639
sad of a state of affairs, it is if she's

1051
00:58:16,719 --> 00:58:18,760
kind of forgotten, which I'm kind of afraid she is

1052
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,840
kind of a little bit. Yeah, I mean he's definitely not.

1053
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:26,480
She doesn't she's not on the on the Mount Rushmore,

1054
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,840
she's not on the pave the way, blah blah blah.

1055
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,639
Speech that the women's evolution era and all that they

1056
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:35,480
don't talk about her enough at all. Really, and Jerome writes,

1057
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,320
I think rather preciently, this episode really illuminates just how

1058
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:41,159
lucky both Shawn Michael's and Triple H were at having

1059
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:44,800
the right women in their careers. Yeah, no shit, Sherry,

1060
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,119
he says, was a huge part of hbka's early presentation.

1061
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:49,719
And China definitely boosted Hunter and ninety seven. And Stephanie

1062
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,519
was the final piece in Hunter getting into being seen

1063
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:54,440
as a true main eventor Yep, that's absolutely true. They

1064
00:58:54,519 --> 00:58:57,920
have well, Triple H has Mick Foley, China and Stephanie

1065
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:00,480
to think for where he is yep, ye without them,

1066
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,400
he is not anywhere close to where he is in

1067
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,599
my personal opinion. Matthew writes to us he's loving this

1068
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:08,239
episode the Germany one as a fan from England who

1069
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:10,320
got his first taste of WCW weekly in the mid

1070
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,159
nineties from an unexpected source when cable TV first came

1071
00:59:13,199 --> 00:59:15,199
New Yorkshire and one of the channels on offer, bizarrely

1072
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,639
it was a German sports channel called DSF. My ITV

1073
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:20,800
Region I TV is independent television there in the UK

1074
00:59:21,559 --> 00:59:24,000
never showed WCW in the early nineties, so I'd missed

1075
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,719
out on that. Then one day, flipping through the cable

1076
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,760
channels in nineteen ninety five, I found it WCW. I

1077
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,599
quickly worked out the timeslots and never looked back. Like JP,

1078
00:59:32,760 --> 00:59:34,360
I had been deprived of the Hogan Hey days as

1079
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,880
my fandom started in nineteen ninety one two, So while

1080
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,039
WCW audiences were pushing against Holkamania, I was happy to

1081
00:59:40,119 --> 00:59:41,960
be finally getting to see a Hulk run on a

1082
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,679
weekly basis. So you can imagine how annoying it was

1083
00:59:44,719 --> 00:59:46,800
for me when he turned heel By or around the

1084
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,760
time of the turn, TNTUK had picked up Nitro, so

1085
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,960
I no longer had to rely on DSF for WCW programming.

1086
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:55,360
It is a real nostalgie trip for me, though, remembering

1087
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,840
having to navigate a wrestling product in a different language.

1088
00:59:58,119 --> 01:00:00,159
I kept the VHS tapes for years of events I

1089
01:00:00,239 --> 01:00:03,760
had got from DSF uncensored ninety five, Starkad ninety five,

1090
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,880
Clash of the Champions thirty two, Super Brawl six and others.

1091
01:00:07,199 --> 01:00:09,159
It wasn't until the UK got the WW network in

1092
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:11,480
twenty fifteen that I finally got to watch these events

1093
01:00:11,519 --> 01:00:14,840
with English commentary. Imagine that you have these shows and

1094
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,320
it's an in language you don't speak, and you still

1095
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,039
watch it. That says something about pro wrestling right there. Yep, yep,

1096
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:22,440
you gotta still watch it, and without the interview segments

1097
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,880
being dubbed over. You think some WCW storylines were hard

1098
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,920
to follow at times, try following them with the commentator

1099
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,159
speaking a language you don't understand. Ah. Later I managed

1100
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:32,159
to get WW from DSF two, which is great because

1101
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:33,800
I didn't have Sky Sports, but I could pick up

1102
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:36,039
raw and the pay per views from DSF for a while.

1103
01:00:36,199 --> 01:00:38,320
So for this English wrestling fan, this background in German

1104
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,800
wrestling on TV has more significance than you think. Thank

1105
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,840
you well, Thank you pal Glad to provide the service

1106
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,000
and Glad Ben Soffitt to put in all the work

1107
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:50,159
that he did. It's I'm just fascinated we talked about it,

1108
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,000
like the whole idea of what these wrestlers were doing

1109
01:00:53,079 --> 01:00:55,599
in the Hasbro era and the Glube era. Yeah. Yeah,

1110
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:57,599
Well we were just kids in America and that was

1111
01:00:57,639 --> 01:01:00,519
the extent of our visibility into this thing. And these

1112
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:02,440
guys are going to Japan, they're going to England, they're

1113
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,280
going to Germany, they're going to Italy, and they're only

1114
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,440
going there. They're all over television in those countries and

1115
01:01:07,519 --> 01:01:10,920
it's like the fucking biggest event wrestling fans in those

1116
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:13,880
countries had ever seen. They're flocking to it. Yeah, and

1117
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,320
we had no fucking clue back on Home Turf. It's just,

1118
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:20,679
I know, it is it's I mean, I know you

1119
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,880
kind of kept things a little quiet because you didn't

1120
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,800
want to. You know, you could kind of get away

1121
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,519
with doing stuff overseas that you didn't need to explain

1122
01:01:29,599 --> 01:01:32,280
on American TV. But it is a shame they never

1123
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:36,039
really kind of talked about it and celebrated more of

1124
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:39,800
the overseas stuff. Yeah, it was kind of there's sort

1125
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:42,920
of such a lag back then. It's like, we talked

1126
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,559
about this because you were presenting the matches as they

1127
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:48,559
aired from the Germany shows on primetime. Yes, and it's

1128
01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:50,320
not like they shied away from saying it was in

1129
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,559
Germany when they aired them. But we're talking months and

1130
01:01:52,719 --> 01:01:57,000
months later, and also scattered about not on the same show,

1131
01:01:57,719 --> 01:02:02,480
not even some on regular TV, some on Cossum Video, right,

1132
01:02:03,239 --> 01:02:05,400
So it's by that point it's like kind of weird

1133
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:08,480
to make a big hullabaloo over a show that's now

1134
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:10,559
three four months old. You know, it's kind of like

1135
01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:14,239
just matches presented from many different locations. That was just

1136
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,400
what the way they chose to present it. I think

1137
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,039
they were sort of bashful about the fact that some

1138
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:21,480
of them are so stale, and some of these matches, yeah,

1139
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:25,199
weren't necessarily fresh in that way. It's a fan.

1140
01:02:25,159 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: Wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows the boys need

1141
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:59,119
their candy. It's the lapsed fan. He's a lapsed fan

1142
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:03,440
wrestling podcast with Jack and Jpro.

1143
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:06,599
Speaker 2: We talked about how Papa Shanko came to the ring

1144
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:12,519
on that episode with a smoking skull, and Philip puts

1145
01:03:12,559 --> 01:03:14,800
it beautifully. He says, you have opened my eyes stone cold.

1146
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,519
Steve Austin truly was the second coming of Papa Shanka.

1147
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,719
I don't think we spent enough time talking about that. Yes, yes,

1148
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:25,400
I mean listen, he's the two smoking skulls. You know,

1149
01:03:25,639 --> 01:03:28,159
Papa Shango the second coming of Stone Steve Austin, and

1150
01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:33,599
you know, uh uh Steve Austin the first the second. Well,

1151
01:03:33,639 --> 01:03:36,280
it's like coming up, Papa Shanko. I agree ya first,

1152
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:39,639
I mean double second. Second there it's amazing that it's

1153
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:42,480
really amazing that that Stone Cold Steve Austin is at

1154
01:03:42,519 --> 01:03:45,519
the at the very least the third coming of Stone

1155
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:50,519
Cold Steve Austin. That's funny. That's the best part.

1156
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:50,719
Speaker 1: Now.

1157
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: I'm always like thinking, like, what if we ever got

1158
01:03:53,559 --> 01:03:56,280
ten minutes with this wrestler, what's the one most lapsed question?

1159
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:58,559
We could ask them, you know, And for Steve Austin,

1160
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:01,440
it probably would be like, do you because Papa Shango

1161
01:04:01,559 --> 01:04:03,360
came to the ring first with the smoking skull, do

1162
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,000
you think he was the first coming of Stone Cold

1163
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,079
Steve Austin? You no, no, you got to do it.

1164
01:04:07,199 --> 01:04:10,480
So Steve, here's the thing. So we're just curious. So

1165
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:16,440
do you think because the Warlord was a bald wrestler

1166
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:19,360
with a goatee who wore black trunks, that he was

1167
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,199
the first coming of Stone? Calls ee of Austin. And

1168
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:25,079
before you answer that one, do you think because Papa

1169
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:28,480
Shank came down and he was bald with a smoking skull,

1170
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:30,840
that he was the second coming of Stone GOLs dv

1171
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:33,639
Austin and you were the third. I love what you said.

1172
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:35,679
And before you answer that one, that was money, it's

1173
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:38,960
how do you feel about that? How do you feel

1174
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:40,920
that you're not the original? Stone calls Divasus r I

1175
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:46,199
fucking question right there. We talked on the episode about

1176
01:04:46,239 --> 01:04:51,199
a European rampage for the Commodore sixty four. Yes, oh, yes,

1177
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:53,800
the PC gaming system back then, one of those RAREBIA

1178
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:57,239
releases that weren't on a regular gaming console. Phil wants

1179
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:59,440
us to know that he had wwa European RAMPI wow

1180
01:05:00,039 --> 01:05:03,079
on my Commodore sixty four. It was ridiculously shit. The

1181
01:05:03,159 --> 01:05:05,480
C sixty four version was one on one rather than

1182
01:05:05,519 --> 01:05:07,400
tag teams, but the roster was the same, with just

1183
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,639
one of the tag teams available to be your opponent,

1184
01:05:09,679 --> 01:05:12,480
and the choices were odd. Typhoon from the Natural Disasters.

1185
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:15,159
You could play as irs for money Ink Jerry Sacksual

1186
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,599
Nasty Boys an animal from the Legion of Doom doesn't

1187
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:20,840
sound like much all thought was put into the that's

1188
01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:26,840
awful playability part of it, That's dreadful. Neil has come

1189
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,320
to an interesting realization after the episode. A decade of

1190
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,239
TLF has taught me one unshakable lesson. Unless Brett Hart

1191
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:35,000
is committing adultery against Julie Sex is not nearly as good.

1192
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,159
And he also asks, is Brett Heart the David Hasselhoff

1193
01:05:39,199 --> 01:05:41,800
of wrestling? The Berlin wall goes down and it all

1194
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,559
changes for these two guys. It's it's you know, it

1195
01:05:45,639 --> 01:05:50,960
seems like it. You know, I think I think Brett

1196
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:53,800
and David Hasselhoff should do a tour of Germany together.

1197
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,599
I mean over in Germany. It's a thing and they

1198
01:06:00,599 --> 01:06:03,320
had it's similar, it's similar, and that like there's this

1199
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:07,559
like completely inexplicable popularity in Germany when they were on

1200
01:06:07,719 --> 01:06:09,400
television and equal measure and a whole lot of other

1201
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:12,199
European countries as well, but Germany was the one that

1202
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:16,519
saw this, this particular look, this particular body, this do

1203
01:06:16,519 --> 01:06:19,159
you know what I mean? This particular essence is very appealing.

1204
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,559
So yes, ridiculous breettheart. A lot of things have been

1205
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,199
said about Brett and all of them true, but the

1206
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,119
David Hasselhoff of wrestling. I think we and Neil brought

1207
01:06:29,159 --> 01:06:31,239
that one uniquely to the table, and I like the

1208
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,039
sounds of it. Carlo wants us to know that unt

1209
01:06:34,199 --> 01:06:37,719
as we were talking about, means and schlogen, which we

1210
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:39,719
heard a hundred times, means to hit or to strike.

1211
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,039
So it makes sense you'd hear that on a wrestling call,

1212
01:06:43,519 --> 01:06:48,159
and whiter equals further Okay, so und whiter schlogen means

1213
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:53,679
to continue beating. Wow, going to zip tide one guy

1214
01:06:53,719 --> 01:06:56,400
while he busts open the other guy. Whiter schlogen. Okay.

1215
01:06:56,519 --> 01:07:01,199
We were learning here slow, but surely we appreciate it.

1216
01:07:01,199 --> 01:07:07,920
To keep that one going. Und I love und is

1217
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,719
one of my face maybe my favorite German word. And

1218
01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:17,519
it's just yeah, it's it's it's so unmistakably because because

1219
01:07:17,559 --> 01:07:19,599
like especially when you when you when you kind of

1220
01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:26,400
just uh uh, you know, throw it in regular uh language.

1221
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:30,119
It's like you say, here are the natural disasters, earthquake,

1222
01:07:30,199 --> 01:07:37,840
ound typhoon and big shout out to to the uh

1223
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,199
to the homie who goes by that piece of shithole

1224
01:07:40,239 --> 01:07:44,239
Cogan on Patreon. Yeah, he says that the title of

1225
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,679
this show, The Germany show sounds like it was created

1226
01:07:46,719 --> 01:07:48,679
by Bill Mercer. Rest in Peace, By the way, Rest

1227
01:07:48,719 --> 01:07:50,400
in Peace? Did you did you think about making a call?

1228
01:07:50,519 --> 01:07:54,239
I was like, you know, well, I didn't even know

1229
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:59,360
until someone. I forget how I found out. I think

1230
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,239
maybe even you it was like it was weird. It

1231
01:08:01,360 --> 01:08:04,000
wasn't a call. He might have deserved a call. I

1232
01:08:04,039 --> 01:08:07,199
don't know. It's hard to tell. It's hard. Yeah, it's hard.

1233
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,039
There were ones. Here's the thing. There are ones where

1234
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:12,719
it's there's no dispute. You know, you absolutely it's a

1235
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:16,159
call like when Dusty died, like or when Roddy Piper died,

1236
01:08:16,239 --> 01:08:18,840
or when Gene Okerlan died. I mean you have to

1237
01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:24,079
call on those guys. Mercer, I mean probably should have

1238
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:28,439
been a call, but yeah, it wasn't. The call is

1239
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:32,800
more there goes your childhood. It's not there goes someone

1240
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,199
that we learned to appreciate thirty years after he did

1241
01:08:36,319 --> 01:08:37,760
he did his thing. You know, it's like we grew

1242
01:08:37,840 --> 01:08:40,840
up on world class. Then then then it's a call. Yeah,

1243
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:42,479
you know, so I think that was kind of where

1244
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:45,000
I came down on it. But but interesting, him and

1245
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:48,039
China are the edge cases. Like do we call on China?

1246
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:51,000
You know? Yeah, yeah, we didn't. I feel yeah, I

1247
01:08:51,079 --> 01:08:54,760
mean And also China died in the middle of us

1248
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,199
doing something. We were doing something that can be a

1249
01:08:57,239 --> 01:08:59,880
factor too, like what circumstance do we find ourselves in

1250
01:09:00,079 --> 01:09:04,560
the moment we hear? Right, but yeah, that's something for

1251
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,319
the Moat Tier. We do try to share is when

1252
01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:08,199
we do get get our act together and do the call,

1253
01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:10,800
we try to record them now and share them exclusively

1254
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,319
with the Moat Tiers. There's some there's word of us

1255
01:09:13,439 --> 01:09:15,800
sharing deaths. I remember one of the fans said, I

1256
01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,720
found out about the last three wrestling desks from LAPS

1257
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,640
fans Patreon before use. That's how LAPS some of our

1258
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:23,960
listeners are that they're not glued to Twitter all day.

1259
01:09:24,279 --> 01:09:27,800
They are not, which is a wonderful thing. And if

1260
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,720
you know, also, my dad will, my dad will. If

1261
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,720
he crosses my dad's path, he'll always send me an

1262
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:37,000
email or a text, yeah saying I sang my condolences.

1263
01:09:37,199 --> 01:09:39,159
He can. He gave me condolences on Sydney, didn't he?

1264
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:42,680
Uh No, I think I told him about Sydney, but

1265
01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,520
he gave me condolences on Like Paul bearer. Okay, sure,

1266
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,479
it's so funny, but I think he gave it. I

1267
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,199
think what was funny about it was that he gave

1268
01:09:51,239 --> 01:09:57,239
it to me like months later. It's like it just

1269
01:09:57,319 --> 01:10:00,319
kind of came across his feed right months after it

1270
01:10:00,359 --> 01:10:04,399
actually happened. He writes, the title of the show sounds

1271
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:08,079
like it was created by Bill Mercer, WWF German European

1272
01:10:08,159 --> 01:10:12,000
Christmas Star Wars, Cotton Bowld, David Carrie, Chris Mike's Suicide

1273
01:10:12,079 --> 01:10:16,600
Rampage again nineteen ninety two. It's about this about it,

1274
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:18,960
Joe writes to us. There is a tie place local

1275
01:10:19,039 --> 01:10:20,439
to me, and I'm a creature of habit, so I

1276
01:10:20,600 --> 01:10:23,720
ordered the same garlic chicken saute. There are some days

1277
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:25,760
where it's just good, but then there are other days.

1278
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:28,880
There are other days, as David Lynch knows, right, yep,

1279
01:10:29,199 --> 01:10:32,159
when the meal elevates to something better, and I'm always

1280
01:10:32,319 --> 01:10:35,239
chasing that perfect saute when I order That's right. Isn't

1281
01:10:35,279 --> 01:10:39,039
that the truth? It's the absolute truth. As we talked about,

1282
01:10:40,840 --> 01:10:44,119
you know, David Lynch and his meditations on the perfect

1283
01:10:44,159 --> 01:10:47,760
chocolate milkshake and slice of cherry pie and these things

1284
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:50,039
that you think are just these quirky things, he says,

1285
01:10:50,119 --> 01:10:53,600
But the universe is in what he's saying. Yes, it

1286
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,479
really is, I mean he because you can all relate

1287
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,159
to that. Everyone can relate to. That is no matter

1288
01:11:01,239 --> 01:11:03,159
where you go, no matter even if it's even if

1289
01:11:03,199 --> 01:11:05,560
it's a fast food place, like even if you go

1290
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,960
to dunkin Donuts, like this is what I said my example. Well,

1291
01:11:09,079 --> 01:11:10,920
get ready, Pap, Pap has got one on that right

1292
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:13,439
here there, there is a perfect you know. It's like

1293
01:11:14,239 --> 01:11:17,439
I know when I've had a perfect dunkin Donuts coffee.

1294
01:11:17,880 --> 01:11:19,840
I know that flavor. I know exactly what it is.

1295
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,079
I don't know why it is the way that it

1296
01:11:22,279 --> 01:11:24,840
is and why it's so hard to land on right,

1297
01:11:26,079 --> 01:11:29,840
but it's like it's it's you never know, you never know,

1298
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,800
he says, Pap does. Duncan is either giving you the

1299
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:34,720
best coffee you've ever had in your life or something

1300
01:11:34,760 --> 01:11:38,279
that's barely drinkable, and there's no in between, and it's

1301
01:11:38,279 --> 01:11:40,479
about a zero point zero five percent shot of you

1302
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:45,640
getting the best coffee. And it's always worth the gamble. Yes,

1303
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:48,960
that's the key. Yes, that's what David Lynch teaches us,

1304
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,399
that it's still worth it. You have to keep trying.

1305
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:59,880
That's what you have to do. You have to keep trying.

1306
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:08,000
I still try. I try for the perfect milkshake, you know,

1307
01:12:08,359 --> 01:12:12,000
the kind, the kind that makes you come after right.

1308
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:23,079
I love ejaculation, love it. The feeling of coming is

1309
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:26,039
the greatest. Yeah, it's funny, David. I think you have

1310
01:12:26,079 --> 01:12:29,560
a lot of company in that respect. Not one of

1311
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:38,159
your more controversial statements. Oh God, bless the man. God

1312
01:12:38,279 --> 01:12:40,159
bless the man. Lots more to come. He is now

1313
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:43,640
firmly ensconced and lapsed care. I don't think an area

1314
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:45,079
show is going to go by where we're not going

1315
01:12:45,159 --> 01:12:47,319
to hear from him a little bit. And that's a

1316
01:12:47,359 --> 01:12:49,600
testament to the work boss Man brought to us on

1317
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:53,159
the Twin Peaks Cinemat journey. Still find myself when I

1318
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,960
all of a sudden stumble upon some empty space in

1319
01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:58,399
my day, which is very rare, I'm like, should I

1320
01:12:58,439 --> 01:13:00,600
put blue velvet on? Do I dare? I know? I

1321
01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,520
know I'm gonna do it eventually, I don't know when.

1322
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,720
Because of the Twin Peaks Journey under the Cinemat, I'm

1323
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,840
going to do it. I'm still I'm I'm mustering up

1324
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,399
the courage to do a lost highway, just to fucking

1325
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:15,560
oh yeah, just to get that uh, just to just

1326
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:20,439
just to put context in that fucking horrifying Robert Blake scene,

1327
01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:24,800
to totally that that scene is still man, it's still

1328
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:30,840
with me, it's still with me. Just just the idea

1329
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,520
that that that there's somebody who's you're talking to you,

1330
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,119
right in front of you, who's also at your house.

1331
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:38,039
It's horrifying. Oh yeah, Well, what was the other one? Egg?

1332
01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:42,640
What was it? What was the other David Lynch movie?

1333
01:13:44,399 --> 01:13:46,479
We'll get to it. Someone had written to us about

1334
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,239
how people like walked out of the theater in the movie,

1335
01:13:50,039 --> 01:13:51,960
or or he heard from his parents that people walked

1336
01:13:51,960 --> 01:13:55,319
out of the movie theater because it was so incorrigible.

1337
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,600
So Lynch, so Lynchy. Yeah, Zach writes, to the point

1338
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,359
about observing the small things is, you know what, there

1339
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,439
is something sobering to know if you truly observe your

1340
01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:07,399
own life, you will only get the best version of

1341
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:11,159
your favorite things a handful of times if you're lucky.

1342
01:14:12,119 --> 01:14:15,399
Ain't that the truth? Yep? Ain't that the truth that

1343
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:20,560
I mean? That's that's what we chase, Yes, and that's life.

1344
01:14:21,279 --> 01:14:23,800
That's not an indictment on anyone's character. That's that's not

1345
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:27,760
a flaw, that's a feature. That's that's life is chasing that,

1346
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,159
because if you're gonna chase that, then you're just you're

1347
01:14:31,199 --> 01:14:34,359
just twistling in the wind, right, I mean, you know

1348
01:14:35,159 --> 01:14:41,319
you you want That's what That's what always makes certain

1349
01:14:41,399 --> 01:14:43,439
things so special is that you do you want to

1350
01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,399
keep You want to keep going back to You want

1351
01:14:46,439 --> 01:14:49,920
to think you have something that you can look forward to, right,

1352
01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:56,560
but really you're just hoping that it's the same thing

1353
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:01,960
you remember, and so rarely is it. But it serves

1354
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:05,560
to confirm that when it landed, it landed man, because

1355
01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:07,960
I would I would rather have had those three perfect

1356
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,079
cups of coffee and chase it for the rest of

1357
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:13,239
my life that have never had those cups of coffee. Yep,

1358
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:15,920
I agreed. You know what I'm saying. It anchors you,

1359
01:15:16,039 --> 01:15:19,079
It gives you, gives you like, all right, Well, if

1360
01:15:19,119 --> 01:15:21,720
the chips fall a certain way, this could be another

1361
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:23,520
one of those perfect days. And we only have a

1362
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,000
handful of those two where everything's in rhythm. You never

1363
01:15:27,039 --> 01:15:31,319
get bored, but you never get over over busy. You

1364
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:33,840
take advantage of the of a beautiful day. You know

1365
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:37,760
what I mean. You're with people you love. It's that

1366
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,680
those rhythms are tough to catch, man. You had to

1367
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,239
catch those waves, and and you've got to try to

1368
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:44,359
make that day happen again the next day. Yep. And

1369
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,760
it probably won't, but you gotta have that. You got

1370
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,479
to have that that true north that you're going towards.

1371
01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:53,880
It's got to come from within you. You can't be

1372
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:58,159
looking for it to other people, you know. So yeah,

1373
01:15:58,279 --> 01:16:00,439
David Lynch, I guess that is what I'm trying to say. Hmmm.

1374
01:16:01,079 --> 01:16:02,880
Marty f thank you very much for your pledge, my friend.

1375
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,680
Welcome into the higher tiers of the solar system Patreon community.

1376
01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:10,439
We should hope you enjoy the benefits you're afforded. Nathan Bennett,

1377
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:13,199
thank you very much for your pledge, my friend. That

1378
01:16:13,279 --> 01:16:16,239
piece of shit, Hulkogan writes again, MTV reminds me of

1379
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:18,840
that local mall that was hopping twenty to thirty years ago,

1380
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,840
but now it's just a barren wasteland filled with novelty stores.

1381
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:26,439
You've been in the mall lately, My god, what's happening

1382
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:27,640
out there now?

1383
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:27,800
Speaker 5: We?

1384
01:16:28,079 --> 01:16:32,760
Speaker 2: I mean, uh, it's a blood bath it's a blood bath. Yeah,

1385
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:37,760
nothing is sacred. There's you know, it's kind of funny.

1386
01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:41,239
I don't know the mall situation. I've noticed you've either

1387
01:16:41,359 --> 01:16:45,560
got great mall, a great mall, or you've got an

1388
01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,000
absolutely awful mall. That's just that's it. On the verge

1389
01:16:49,039 --> 01:16:51,000
of death. Everyone used to be able to have a

1390
01:16:51,079 --> 01:16:53,239
local mall that was of a certain caliber, you know,

1391
01:16:53,319 --> 01:16:56,079
in your area, not necessarily in your town or in

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01:16:56,159 --> 01:17:01,279
your city, but right within driving distance, magnificant mall of

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01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:06,000
significant vitality. And now there is one in your state. Yeah, two,

1394
01:17:06,079 --> 01:17:09,319
two or three one. You know, you've got a couple.

1395
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:12,359
It just yeah, you've got a couple here and there,

1396
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:16,079
and the other ones are just hollowed out forever twenty

1397
01:17:16,119 --> 01:17:19,079
ones that have been converted into like ballpit play places

1398
01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:23,560
that that are the size of your fucking garage. And

1399
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:29,640
the rest of people just like walking around like aimlessly, aimlessly.

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01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,359
There's nothing to buy, there's nothing going on. Everything they

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01:17:32,399 --> 01:17:34,600
have is already on their fucking doorstep anyway, everything they

1402
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,800
want rather is already on their porch waiting to be opened.

1403
01:17:39,039 --> 01:17:42,640
Just walking down. He's just like a lost souls. Yes,

1404
01:17:43,319 --> 01:17:51,319
that's where there's so little good. As you know, we're

1405
01:17:51,319 --> 01:17:52,800
trying to point it out. We're trying to put you

1406
01:17:52,880 --> 01:18:01,279
up on game, folks. Empty fucking just empty storefront. It's

1407
01:18:01,399 --> 01:18:05,199
just faded retailers, cornerstone retailers, the ones you thought that

1408
01:18:05,239 --> 01:18:08,000
would fight through anything like you just look at the

1409
01:18:08,039 --> 01:18:10,000
seers now and you want to cry. You know, I'll

1410
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,199
tell you. I'll tell you what. There's a mall nearby,

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01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:18,479
and I'll tell you. You know it's bad. You know

1412
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:22,720
it's bad when the movie theater goes out of business. Oh,

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01:18:26,039 --> 01:18:28,279
and that's what happened, And now you're sitting on a

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01:18:28,399 --> 01:18:32,119
future top golf I would say, right. You know, usually

1415
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:34,920
movie theaters are the are the things that keep malls

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01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,159
alive these days because at least there's the movie theater.

1417
01:18:37,920 --> 01:18:41,640
But when the movie theater closes, you stop and realize

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01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:44,319
no one fucking gives a shit, no one, no one

1419
01:18:44,399 --> 01:18:50,520
cares at all. Nobody is safe, that's right. Yeah, Oh,

1420
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,800
isn't that right? No one is safe from Kim Wood either,

1421
01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:01,159
Oh not at all. He's a fucking beast. Take Tickled

1422
01:19:01,279 --> 01:19:03,520
Pink to see how that one landed over on unheard

1423
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:06,359
Oh yeah. As we got into the four plus hour

1424
01:19:06,439 --> 01:19:09,920
interview that the former Cincinnati Bengals strength coach and adviser

1425
01:19:10,359 --> 01:19:13,199
to Brian Pellman during the height of his manipulative abilities

1426
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,760
pitting Vince and Eric against each other in ninety five

1427
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,760
and the contract negotiations, the thing reality challenge, the things

1428
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:23,159
he fucking should, the truths that he laid bare and

1429
01:19:23,279 --> 01:19:26,800
wasn't afraid to speak to those cameras h Fixed Sports.

1430
01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:32,199
I want everyone to know and listener, land, I had

1431
01:19:32,279 --> 01:19:35,119
no idea that boss Man had the chamber loaded like that.

1432
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:39,760
No clue hit him again, Fixed Sports hit him again,

1433
01:19:42,760 --> 01:19:50,560
Fix Sports, Reality challenged. They're all whores, he said. The

1434
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:55,880
boys in wrestling are reality challenged. Oh God, camera with

1435
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,600
the most pregnant pause you've ever not heard, I guess

1436
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:04,399
un Oh And as the homie Tom writes, what an

1437
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:07,279
incredible episode. Definitely the best dark sid unheard yet. And

1438
01:20:07,359 --> 01:20:09,760
that's saying something one thing I thought might be worth noting,

1439
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:13,239
especially given the Solar Systems familiarity and veneration of Terry funk.

1440
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,319
I think the Funkster was ribbing Pillman with this chain

1441
01:20:16,399 --> 01:20:18,600
yourself to the goalpost idea at the Super Bowl m

1442
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,840
Because metal detectors started being used to security for the

1443
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,000
Super Bowl in nineteen ninety one for the Gulf War,

1444
01:20:24,039 --> 01:20:25,880
and we're very much in place in nineteen ninety six

1445
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:28,319
with the Cowboys Steeler's Super Bowl in Phoenix, which if

1446
01:20:28,319 --> 01:20:30,039
you don't remember, is where Terry Funk claimed to have

1447
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,600
proposed to Brian Pillman that he get in there and

1448
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,239
chain himself to the goalposts during the Super Bowl and

1449
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:37,600
the ultimate publicity stunt, and they wouldn't be able to

1450
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,760
remove him for thirty minutes, so the TV cameras wouldn't

1451
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,560
be able to ignore him, and he'd be a legend

1452
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:43,279
as a result. And that was when he's doing a

1453
01:20:43,319 --> 01:20:45,039
loose cannon gammick where he was out there just trying

1454
01:20:45,079 --> 01:20:48,039
to do anything he could to get fired basically from WCW.

1455
01:20:48,760 --> 01:20:51,560
That was the idea in his head. Pillman Tom Writs

1456
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,840
wouldn't have gotten close to the game, let alone the field.

1457
01:20:54,039 --> 01:20:56,479
He either would have been barred entry or arrested outside

1458
01:20:56,520 --> 01:20:59,000
the stadium. Might have still helped this loose cannon persona

1459
01:20:59,039 --> 01:21:00,680
with the wrestling fans, but wouldn't have been a blip

1460
01:21:00,760 --> 01:21:02,880
on the radar of the general public, especially back then.

1461
01:21:03,319 --> 01:21:05,159
My guess Funk maybe had gotten a little tired of

1462
01:21:05,239 --> 01:21:09,279
Pillman's I can work anyone routine interesting hmmm, which I'm

1463
01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:11,119
sure it's spilled backstage, and was hoping to give him

1464
01:21:11,119 --> 01:21:12,600
a little come up, and its a reminder of who

1465
01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,920
the real best worker in the business was, or I

1466
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:16,880
am totally off in funk didn't know there were mental

1467
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:19,119
detectors at the stadium and honestly thought Pillman could get

1468
01:21:19,159 --> 01:21:21,720
away with that. However, given what we know about Terry's

1469
01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:24,279
relationship to Mick and how many times he playfully quote

1470
01:21:24,319 --> 01:21:26,520
unquote ribbed his best friend in the business, I think

1471
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,439
there might have been a little glint in Terry's eye

1472
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:31,199
as he laid out this plan to Pilman, imagining him

1473
01:21:31,239 --> 01:21:33,319
getting put in the paddy wagon well before the game.

1474
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:35,960
Whatever the real story is, here's to kim Wood a

1475
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:38,239
good reminder that if real con men ever got into

1476
01:21:38,319 --> 01:21:42,880
pro wrestling, the Carneyes wouldn't have a chance. Fink sports Ye,

1477
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:47,359
that fucking fired down. We've been telling you, We've been

1478
01:21:47,399 --> 01:21:52,119
telling you for years. Kim Wood knows. Kim Wood doesn't

1479
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:56,399
have the uh ah, kim Wood's just a fucking general.

1480
01:21:56,720 --> 01:21:58,600
He doesn't have the appearances to keep up that prevent

1481
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,199
him from saying things like that, noticing things like that,

1482
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:13,800
it's money, so fucking angry, so angry that it's No,

1483
01:22:14,840 --> 01:22:23,279
it's money. No, it's a fucking a fucking line. It's money.

1484
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:26,800
You know what, Kim your god, damn right, it's money.

1485
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:29,960
Speak that truth. And like I said in the episode,

1486
01:22:30,279 --> 01:22:31,680
if you're in the business and you hear him and

1487
01:22:31,720 --> 01:22:34,239
you like roll your eyes, don't be madd he's talking

1488
01:22:34,279 --> 01:22:37,039
about you. Don't be madd He's talking about you. Ye,

1489
01:22:38,600 --> 01:22:41,760
Scott wants us to know. On Nomeo and Juliet, Oh

1490
01:22:41,880 --> 01:22:44,319
my god, signed up and it's going way back in

1491
01:22:44,399 --> 01:22:46,920
the under of the Cinemat argall shit, that's the well,

1492
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:51,840
that is the uh. The most recent Hulk Hogan movie

1493
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:56,600
is Yes, as We did. Hulk Hogan's entire filmography available

1494
01:22:56,680 --> 01:22:58,800
to you in the Under the Cinemat archives for your

1495
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:03,520
executive producer to your pledge at Patreon. He says, my

1496
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:05,600
kids are in bed and I'm watching this fucking movie

1497
01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:10,960
by myself, just to hear the co chairs commented, that's

1498
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:15,720
something to see. Oh man tlf my apologies. Geno writes

1499
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,880
the cast that has me yelling Farina in my room

1500
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:21,640
like a psychopath. Oh Lee Morris, thank you very much

1501
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:26,359
for the pledge. We appreciate it, my friends. Okay, So

1502
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:29,680
j W finally getting into the more ones. Okay, talk

1503
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,960
about Roger Moore in incredible James Bond Journey that's available

1504
01:23:34,039 --> 01:23:37,159
for your Patreon dollar as well under the cinemat and

1505
01:23:37,279 --> 01:23:39,039
he's finally getting into the Roger Moore at once. He

1506
01:23:39,079 --> 01:23:42,239
says he's been putting it off but cannot wait to

1507
01:23:42,319 --> 01:23:44,399
drop the knowledge he obtains on Roger Moore on my

1508
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:47,800
eighty three year old mom. Oh boy, miss Midge older,

1509
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,560
he writes in the Chairman, and thus was old enough

1510
01:23:50,039 --> 01:23:51,600
that was able to take me to three of these

1511
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:54,079
Roger Moore ones. At least one was preschool era or

1512
01:23:54,119 --> 01:23:57,640
kindergarten half days, all at an inappropriate age. She loved

1513
01:23:57,720 --> 01:24:01,880
Roger Moore. We sat Mattine's Month's replays at the Cheap Theater.

1514
01:24:02,079 --> 01:24:04,520
The matinees were enjoyed after ice cream at the Woolworth's

1515
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,640
Food Kiosk at Westland Mall, Burlington, Iowa. I wish I

1516
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:09,479
had more specifics, but I was like six years old.

1517
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:12,840
My brother had several versions of a cool Lotus submarine

1518
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,079
car merch, but he didn't get this special Bond movie

1519
01:24:15,159 --> 01:24:19,239
viewing treatment. I had a matchbox James Bond Harvercraft. Ooh,

1520
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:22,720
it's easy to see how Octopus's red spandex clad army

1521
01:24:23,039 --> 01:24:26,159
segued seamlessly into my love of pro wrestling, perhaps even

1522
01:24:26,199 --> 01:24:29,399
explains my inexplicable love of red speedoclad Heel Paul Orndorf

1523
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,239
for White cheered in late August eighty six at the

1524
01:24:32,319 --> 01:24:34,880
rosemonta Rizin versus Hogan for my eighth birthday. I was

1525
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,319
offered anything else but shows fake fighting as a birthday present.

1526
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:40,680
That tape is lost, but I assume the Toronto Big

1527
01:24:40,680 --> 01:24:42,720
Event match is very similar. I haven't seen the more

1528
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:46,479
Bonds in forty plus years, but I've haunted by the

1529
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:50,319
clown Double oh six getting killed ever since. Oh god, yeah,

1530
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,279
so just no your efforts, Boss, put that back on

1531
01:24:53,359 --> 01:24:56,000
the table for him forty years later. Love it. That's

1532
01:24:56,039 --> 01:24:59,560
to Paul Lantau, thanks for that increase in pledge. My

1533
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,800
friend is small, but we noticed it and we appreciated it. Sachster,

1534
01:25:03,039 --> 01:25:05,399
thank you very much for your pledge. Welcome in Nick

1535
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:09,039
ossipoff on time fan getting back into the queue. We

1536
01:25:09,159 --> 01:25:12,520
appreciate that. Andrew. Huge shout out to Andrew Dear's co chairman.

1537
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:14,840
I want to let you know that I am registered

1538
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:17,560
and running the New York City Marathon for charity. And

1539
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:21,399
he has exclusively listened to TLF on his long runs,

1540
01:25:22,119 --> 01:25:23,960
and he says that both of you have fueled my

1541
01:25:24,079 --> 01:25:27,199
performance hundreds of miles put in thousands more to go.

1542
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,199
Thank you both. I think speak for both of us,

1543
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:32,640
boss when we say go get that fucking shit to

1544
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,800
go fucking do it? You know what I mean? Yep,

1545
01:25:36,119 --> 01:25:38,680
that's why it's worth it, because we're in your ears

1546
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:42,239
when you're doing things that are actually useful. When I

1547
01:25:42,279 --> 01:25:46,399
hear about video podcasting, I've probably been in this rant before. Yeah,

1548
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,159
it's like, who wants the listener that sits there and

1549
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:51,359
looks at the video all day? I know, don't you

1550
01:25:51,399 --> 01:25:55,159
want the listener who's actually engaged in something else, like productive?

1551
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:57,760
They probably have money, not to say that's the only

1552
01:25:57,800 --> 01:25:59,720
reason you want a listener. Bless the listeners that are

1553
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:03,359
broke can still dive into our ship. We love that too, Yep.

1554
01:26:03,640 --> 01:26:07,439
But I just don't understand what what advertisers see in

1555
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:11,359
video versus audio. To me, it's like audio is I

1556
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,359
mean good with just pure audio that means they're serious

1557
01:26:14,399 --> 01:26:17,680
people most likely, or maybe not. I don't know, especially

1558
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:24,239
because you know and and I mean two things number one,

1559
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:28,319
you know, and and and and and listen. I mean,

1560
01:26:28,359 --> 01:26:31,720
I think I think it worked a little bit better

1561
01:26:32,640 --> 01:26:36,720
for Unheard because we had the video footage of the interviews.

1562
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:46,199
But it's it's generally not interesting, like because normally it's

1563
01:26:46,239 --> 01:26:48,439
just like, I don't know, it's just like a weird conversation.

1564
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,399
It's not done in a in a it's just an

1565
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,920
interview usually or just a discussion. And I don't know,

1566
01:26:55,039 --> 01:26:57,800
I just don't find it interesting to see. I'm surprised

1567
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:02,159
so some of the people insist on it, you know, yeah,

1568
01:27:02,640 --> 01:27:04,119
because they really do. I mean, we saw that we

1569
01:27:04,199 --> 01:27:06,319
did audio only for first season if Unheard, and every

1570
01:27:06,359 --> 01:27:08,880
other fucking social comment was where's the video? I need

1571
01:27:08,920 --> 01:27:10,479
the video, need the video? Give them the video, and

1572
01:27:10,600 --> 01:27:12,880
they're like, oh, fuck, these guys, where they that's the

1573
01:27:12,920 --> 01:27:14,800
best part. I love it? Oh my god, yeah, it

1574
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,920
goes what one of them then, one of the most

1575
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:23,039
recent ones, just fucking I love this ship. A guy says, uh,

1576
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:26,039
better if we just showed the clips or something like that.

1577
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:31,359
Oh yeah, he said, Uh, this would be farm. This

1578
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:33,199
is three days ago. Three This would be far much

1579
01:27:33,279 --> 01:27:34,960
more interesting and watchable if it was just the kim

1580
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:38,800
Woods footage. These these three quote hosts unquote are unnecessary

1581
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:42,720
and unbearable, unnecessary and unbearable. That there's our epitaph right there.

1582
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:46,640
I'll tell you what exactly on the headstone. Listen. I

1583
01:27:47,800 --> 01:27:52,800
I thrive on being unnecessary and unbearable. That's right, And

1584
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:55,239
the coffers and the coffers say it pays to be

1585
01:27:55,359 --> 01:27:59,159
such right. But now when you hear that, it's like, yeah,

1586
01:28:00,199 --> 01:28:02,000
I kind of I know where you're coming from, because

1587
01:28:02,159 --> 01:28:04,239
when I see someone's face, all think about is their

1588
01:28:04,279 --> 01:28:07,479
fucking face. And then you get into this incredibly shallow,

1589
01:28:08,039 --> 01:28:12,239
like you know, experience where it's like paying attention. I'll

1590
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:16,479
tell you this too. You wouldn't get you wouldn't get

1591
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:21,279
the the I just we couldn't. I couldn't do it

1592
01:28:21,359 --> 01:28:24,760
for that long. What the fuck are you serious? Exhausting

1593
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,039
six hours of video? That's impossible.

1594
01:28:27,960 --> 01:28:28,199
Speaker 1: It is.

1595
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:33,159
Speaker 2: It is exhausting. It's a very very it's an exhausting experience.

1596
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:35,079
It's a whole different level because you got to be

1597
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:38,560
on like beyond you're using, you're burning calories. You know,

1598
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:41,800
you're burning, you're using muscles you don't use when you're

1599
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:46,000
just talking, because you're just constantly aware of what you're saying,

1600
01:28:46,159 --> 01:28:48,119
what you look like, and where you're facing. It's just

1601
01:28:48,199 --> 01:28:51,439
such a it's such a vapid thing. It's so fucking like,

1602
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,960
you know, can't we can't we make space for something

1603
01:28:55,039 --> 01:28:57,920
other than constantly being on camera all the time right

1604
01:28:59,239 --> 01:29:03,279
in this American life. I I just yeah, for me,

1605
01:29:03,399 --> 01:29:06,039
I just don't. I don't. I don't, I don't. I

1606
01:29:06,279 --> 01:29:11,760
never watch video podcasts because unless I'm I'm using it

1607
01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:14,399
for research, I just I don't care. And I sure

1608
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:16,640
hope a lot of this, like YouTube is the discovery

1609
01:29:17,159 --> 01:29:21,319
think pieces YouTube. I hope people aren't confusing people using

1610
01:29:22,119 --> 01:29:24,800
YouTube in their cars and just listening to the audio

1611
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,319
even though the video is technically playing or playing a

1612
01:29:27,359 --> 01:29:29,680
YouTube video in their laptop while they cubbuts around the

1613
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:31,800
house and they can hear it, but the video is

1614
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,960
technically playing. I sure hope they don't confuse that for

1615
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:37,640
signals that video is the way to go when the

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01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,640
only reason it's on videos because it's easy to find

1617
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:43,039
something on YouTube. That's the reason. That doesn't cause videos in,

1618
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,640
although advertisers want video to be in because you can

1619
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:48,560
charge more for a video ad than an audio ad.

1620
01:29:49,319 --> 01:29:51,880
But that's just that's the same thing as audio. It's

1621
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:54,039
just they're using YouTube, so you assume it's a video

1622
01:29:54,119 --> 01:29:55,960
view and it's not. Most people, a lot of people

1623
01:29:56,079 --> 01:29:58,720
I think that use YouTube to access podcasts just hook

1624
01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:00,479
it up to the car or put it in, put

1625
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:01,960
it in the ears, and they're listening to it just

1626
01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:03,560
like they would listening to it on an audio only

1627
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,520
platform like Spotify, which also has video now too, of course.

1628
01:30:07,119 --> 01:30:09,239
But I don't know. I just it's it's kind of

1629
01:30:09,239 --> 01:30:11,319
a weird. It's kind of a weird thing that people

1630
01:30:11,399 --> 01:30:14,560
insist on. It's it's curious. And I'll and I will say,

1631
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:17,560
having done all the research for these unheard episodes, having

1632
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:19,800
read through all the transcripts and selected the bites myself,

1633
01:30:20,359 --> 01:30:23,600
you do not want a podcast where these guys and

1634
01:30:23,760 --> 01:30:26,319
gals are just talking for three hours of raw footage.

1635
01:30:26,319 --> 01:30:31,159
You don't want it. It sucks. It's like you need curation. Curation.

1636
01:30:31,319 --> 01:30:34,039
There are moments of inspiration, there are moments when they

1637
01:30:34,119 --> 01:30:36,680
say things in a crystallized way that that that that

1638
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:39,199
sit in the mind that's the best part, is I

1639
01:30:39,319 --> 01:30:42,720
I I would love to see the comments from these

1640
01:30:42,760 --> 01:30:47,439
same people watching the uncut ship. Oh they have no idea. God, well,

1641
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:52,880
wont editing. Maybe maybe a little bit of editing. Maybe

1642
01:30:53,000 --> 01:30:57,159
maybe someone give me some context. We did that, so

1643
01:30:57,279 --> 01:30:59,399
you give you what? You gave you what you wanted.

1644
01:31:00,079 --> 01:31:02,520
He said, no, no, you don't want that problem. It

1645
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,439
turns out when people say they know what they want,

1646
01:31:04,479 --> 01:31:08,119
they're completely fullish. People don't know shit. We know what

1647
01:31:08,199 --> 01:31:10,239
you want, and you're not don't know what they want.

1648
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:12,680
What did we say once upon a time, You're not

1649
01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:15,159
gonna get get what you want. You're gonna get what

1650
01:31:15,359 --> 01:31:20,560
we want. Thank you, Oh will Baber, thank you very

1651
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:22,199
much for your pledge. He gets it. He put that

1652
01:31:22,279 --> 01:31:24,760
cake on the table. We love it, Morgan writes, while

1653
01:31:24,840 --> 01:31:27,000
upgrade to the moat tier might have to be temporary,

1654
01:31:27,039 --> 01:31:29,199
before going back to the EP tier, I could no

1655
01:31:29,319 --> 01:31:33,399
longer deny what I needed. Mama sorrow is a national treasure,

1656
01:31:33,439 --> 01:31:35,439
he says, Yes, thank you for the memories, thank you

1657
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:37,359
for the inspiration, and thank you for wrestling Mammy, and well,

1658
01:31:37,399 --> 01:31:39,319
thank you, thank you for the vote of confidence, even

1659
01:31:39,399 --> 01:31:44,800
for my dad. Just like oh, he's dumbfounded. Is he dumbfounded? Yep,

1660
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:49,000
because because all all the stuff that like drives him

1661
01:31:49,079 --> 01:31:55,960
crazy is all the stuff that everybody loves. That's so funny. Yeah,

1662
01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:59,800
it's so funny. There's an audience for the things that

1663
01:32:00,079 --> 01:32:01,920
make you want to crawl into a hole and die.

1664
01:32:02,199 --> 01:32:07,520
Of course. Amazing, so amazing. Yeah, Well, short bursts, you know,

1665
01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:11,399
that's the thing that's you know, you can't overstay, you're welcome,

1666
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:14,279
you can't over play your hand, and things that are

1667
01:32:14,399 --> 01:32:18,520
just so endearing in a person can become their absolute

1668
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,079
worst qualities if you just spam people with it, like

1669
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:24,479
get the fuck out of here, you know. But now

1670
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,560
if you deliver it a nice controlled release, baby, yeah,

1671
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:30,720
that's the ticket. That's the ticket, and that's what we

1672
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:34,640
specialize in. So Neil had some great insight into MTV

1673
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:37,319
and the WWF. We talked about, of course, the marriage

1674
01:32:37,319 --> 01:32:40,079
of these two organizations when we cover the nine eighty

1675
01:32:40,079 --> 01:32:42,880
six Slammies, which was the final WWF broadcast on MTV

1676
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:44,960
until they came back years and years and years later

1677
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:47,920
for Sunday Night Heat. But it was the end of

1678
01:32:48,039 --> 01:32:51,000
that relationship that so catapulted the WWF into a different

1679
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:53,760
Stratosphere the worst out of the score in the Rock

1680
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:56,399
and Wrestling Connection, Neil has a nice little piece on

1681
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,640
what it all meant and what MTV meant at the time.

1682
01:33:01,039 --> 01:33:04,880
Hello co chairs. During your coverage of the inaugural Islammy Awards,

1683
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:07,479
you both expressed confusion over the end of the working

1684
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:12,119
relationship between MTV and the w during wrestling's nineteen eighties

1685
01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:16,239
boom over the course of many over the course of

1686
01:33:16,399 --> 01:33:21,600
many years. I you know, I still you know. Whenever

1687
01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:23,399
I play that, I think about the fact that what

1688
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:30,720
you said is from a random piece of video from

1689
01:33:30,800 --> 01:33:37,680
a nineteen ninety one Yes news piece about Twin Peaks,

1690
01:33:38,399 --> 01:33:42,159
and in fact, that guy saying huh, like where is he?

1691
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:44,760
And I want to know who he is. I want

1692
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,800
to find him. I wanted him to know that he

1693
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:49,720
is immortalized. Now. That was a Minnesota radio station where

1694
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:52,159
they were taking calls from people who were anticipating the

1695
01:33:52,199 --> 01:33:55,279
season finale. Yeah, yeah, and they're talking about like this

1696
01:33:55,319 --> 01:33:57,159
guy would have Twin Peaks hour in the morning. He

1697
01:33:57,279 --> 01:33:59,159
just talk about Twin Peaks for like an hour or two.

1698
01:34:00,079 --> 01:34:07,279
And this guy just water cooler talk in the Twin Cities.

1699
01:34:09,800 --> 01:34:11,760
Over the course of many years, I've worked on various

1700
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:15,039
music history projects, and there is admittedly very little spoken

1701
01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:19,119
about wrestling and MTV. However, there is a large enough

1702
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:23,239
body of work surrounding the channel's history, and I think

1703
01:34:23,279 --> 01:34:25,479
we can piece together what led the we to be

1704
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:30,000
broadcast on MTV, as well as how those same factors

1705
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:34,279
precipitated their exit from the network. Excellent. This is all

1706
01:34:34,359 --> 01:34:39,159
admittedly speculative, but it represents my best guess after working

1707
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:43,479
with the available interviews, contemporaneous articles, and written histories across

1708
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:47,079
from multiple projects. Throughout its existence, MTV has been a

1709
01:34:47,159 --> 01:34:52,000
land of contradictions that were never resolved to anyone's satisfaction.

1710
01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:56,039
Chief among them was their relationship with music videos. Music

1711
01:34:56,159 --> 01:34:58,439
videos were the lifeblood of the channel. They gave MTV

1712
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:01,279
a style and an identity that would tracked its earliest audience.

1713
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:05,039
The speed at which everything came to the viewer on

1714
01:35:05,279 --> 01:35:09,720
MTV was otherworldly, and the deluge of artfully edited images

1715
01:35:10,079 --> 01:35:13,560
and sounds would extend past videos by Prince and Madonna

1716
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:21,199
and permeate the interstitial segments, promos and interviews. The same time,

1717
01:35:21,319 --> 01:35:26,439
videos presented the largest existential threat to the viability of

1718
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:29,439
the channel Throughout its history. When it was launched in

1719
01:35:29,479 --> 01:35:33,520
nineteen eighty one, MTV's programming department came from rock radio.

1720
01:35:34,159 --> 01:35:36,720
From its inception, the guiding philosophy of the channel was

1721
01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:40,720
that it would be the equivalent of televised FM radio station.

1722
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:45,239
Of a televised FM radio station emanating from New York

1723
01:35:45,279 --> 01:35:49,039
City with its staff plugged into the city's vibrant taste

1724
01:35:49,079 --> 01:35:54,479
making music scene and co opt it to become trendsetters themselves.

1725
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:58,279
They would be able to see the latest acts in

1726
01:35:58,439 --> 01:36:02,079
music firsthand, anticipate the next breakout stars before they made

1727
01:36:02,079 --> 01:36:06,439
it big, and provide a unique audio visual presentation that

1728
01:36:06,680 --> 01:36:10,600
was foreign to music to music fans in the early

1729
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:14,439
nineteen eighties. I've spoken with a lot of people who

1730
01:36:14,479 --> 01:36:16,760
were around for the launch of MTV, and they described

1731
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,640
the surreal feeling of seeing acts that they could only

1732
01:36:19,840 --> 01:36:23,399
visualize through pictures and magazines coming to life before them.

1733
01:36:24,359 --> 01:36:26,960
I don't think we can appreciate how earth shattering that

1734
01:36:27,119 --> 01:36:30,239
transition was for the first generation yeah to watch music

1735
01:36:30,319 --> 01:36:34,520
videos unless we were there to witness it. It's useful

1736
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,479
to think of MTV in those early years as being

1737
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,520
similar to Ted Turner's TVs. Turner felt that the world

1738
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:41,640
would fall in love with the culture of Atlanta, and

1739
01:36:41,720 --> 01:36:44,840
that if TBS reflected that way of life, that outsiders

1740
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,359
would also be smitten by the charms of their city.

1741
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:50,319
In the same spirit as Turner, If MTV could bring

1742
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:52,840
the New York City music scene in nightlife to a

1743
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:56,079
wider audience, they would have accomplished their goal as the

1744
01:36:56,239 --> 01:37:02,479
country's first musical and national music out However, since MTV

1745
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:05,319
modeled itself at their NETSM radio station, they were going

1746
01:37:05,399 --> 01:37:09,279
to bring radio problems with them to television. Every audience

1747
01:37:09,319 --> 01:37:13,760
survey conducted by MTV showed an unnerving reality that when

1748
01:37:14,319 --> 01:37:17,880
viewers hit three or four music videos that they didn't

1749
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:20,720
care for, they would change the channel and usually not

1750
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:24,199
return for an extended period. This is a common challenge

1751
01:37:24,239 --> 01:37:27,199
in radio and why arbitron ratings are measured. As a

1752
01:37:27,279 --> 01:37:30,600
listener tuning in for five minutes during a fifteen minute interval,

1753
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,760
radio stations expect you to frequently turn the dial. It's

1754
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:38,199
a challenge built into the medium, and programming directors have

1755
01:37:38,319 --> 01:37:42,000
devised a variety of well worn tricks over the years

1756
01:37:42,079 --> 01:37:45,439
to keep their audience listening, whether it's a call in contest,

1757
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:51,159
an interview, with a music star or ad free music blocks. However,

1758
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:54,079
those tactics only work if you are competing against other

1759
01:37:54,920 --> 01:37:57,960
radio shows. Maybe your station has the challenge of retaining

1760
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,439
its audience for more than a few minutes, but so

1761
01:38:00,840 --> 01:38:06,319
does everyone else and down and down the dial. MTV's

1762
01:38:06,319 --> 01:38:09,159
competition didn't have those problems. They were up against all

1763
01:38:09,279 --> 01:38:15,239
manner of television game shows, sitcoms, network dramas, local news, sports,

1764
01:38:15,319 --> 01:38:18,720
et cetera. Shows people were going to tune into longer

1765
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,960
than five or six minutes. MTV tried to package videos

1766
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,720
in unique ways over the years that were similar to

1767
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:29,880
the programming tactics of radio stations, guest celebrity vjays, specialty

1768
01:38:30,039 --> 01:38:33,399
genre blocks, contests, etc. But none of them met with

1769
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:37,840
more than a limited amount of success. Music videos defined MTV,

1770
01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:42,039
but they were also their biggest obstacle. It cannot be

1771
01:38:42,079 --> 01:38:46,319
overstated that what a frustrating problem audience retention was for MTV,

1772
01:38:46,439 --> 01:38:50,399
and in its early days, most acutely, the channel's advertising

1773
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:53,800
department was dismayed by the prospect of selling a grab

1774
01:38:53,880 --> 01:38:57,000
bag of shorts listed as quote, music videos unquote, and

1775
01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:01,359
TV guide with audience viewership habits that were that were

1776
01:39:01,439 --> 01:39:06,079
that unpredictable. Perhaps advertisers could buy into the broader concepts

1777
01:39:06,119 --> 01:39:09,760
behind them TV, but where were the shows? Where was

1778
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:13,439
the stability? Growing up, I was a big Buffy the

1779
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:16,199
Vampire Slayer fan, and even though it never got the

1780
01:39:16,279 --> 01:39:18,960
kind of ratings that the big network dramas and comedies enjoyed,

1781
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:23,439
advertisers were impressed and how loyal its audience was. Through

1782
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:27,840
cast shakeups, network changes, and controversial creative decisions to directions,

1783
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,840
Buffy consistently drew sevens and eights in the Nielsens. Between

1784
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:35,399
four and six million viewers watched the show religiously every week,

1785
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:38,079
and we're not easily dissuaded from tuning in next week.

1786
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:42,640
While networks love big ratings, they love predictability even more

1787
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:46,159
because it gives you a lot of goodwill with potential

1788
01:39:46,199 --> 01:39:49,840
sponsors when you can deliver a clearly defined and consistent audience.

1789
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:52,079
And it's why we're in this situation we're in now

1790
01:39:52,359 --> 01:39:55,520
where Nielsen's tried and true method, as Neil talks about,

1791
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:58,159
of not trying to give a show credit for people

1792
01:39:58,199 --> 01:39:59,800
that come in and out, or at least not trying

1793
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:01,600
to lose people that come in and out, you know,

1794
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:04,159
kind of giving an average of a fifteen minute quarter

1795
01:40:04,279 --> 01:40:07,640
hour to account for the fact that people switch around

1796
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,520
a lot. Now we're in a situation we're streaming. All

1797
01:40:10,560 --> 01:40:13,039
they want to say is just a viewer number, accumulative

1798
01:40:13,119 --> 01:40:15,439
view number, and no one knows what that means. I mean,

1799
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:18,279
they kind of do, but they don't know how Netflix

1800
01:40:18,319 --> 01:40:20,520
precisely goes about it, or how Max goes about it,

1801
01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:23,119
or how Hulu goes about it. Is it a view

1802
01:40:23,239 --> 01:40:27,159
if you hit play on a tablet? Is it a view?

1803
01:40:27,159 --> 01:40:29,199
If you hit pause and hit play again? Is it

1804
01:40:29,279 --> 01:40:31,680
a view? If your screen buffers and reconnects. Is it

1805
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:34,720
a view if you stop, go to the kitchen, and

1806
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,520
then hit resume when you come back from the home screen.

1807
01:40:38,239 --> 01:40:39,960
It seems to be. It seems like all these things

1808
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:43,720
are counted as views, and it matters if it doesn't

1809
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:47,119
matter if you change the channel. It kind of matters

1810
01:40:47,199 --> 01:40:50,159
what happens, what your IP address records you doing on

1811
01:40:50,239 --> 01:40:53,600
the device throughout the course of the thing, and then

1812
01:40:53,640 --> 01:40:57,600
suddenly you're one person and your five views. And the

1813
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:00,520
Nielsen system that he's describing was designed to guard against that,

1814
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:04,560
so you didn't have a situation where one person was

1815
01:41:04,680 --> 01:41:08,520
being double triple quadruple counted for coming in and out,

1816
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:12,479
and you guarded against that by the fifteen minute average.

1817
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:16,079
You guarded against also the possibility that six people are

1818
01:41:16,119 --> 01:41:18,520
in the room watching the show, and you shouldn't get

1819
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:20,760
credit for just one viewer, you should get credit for six.

1820
01:41:21,239 --> 01:41:26,239
That's why there's the panel style research approach where people

1821
01:41:26,319 --> 01:41:29,880
fill out the arbitron rating sheets and literally agree to

1822
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:33,439
be measured households that are statistically significant for the area

1823
01:41:33,800 --> 01:41:35,800
and have the demographic makeup where you could say this

1824
01:41:36,119 --> 01:41:39,079
household is representative and we can extrapolate from there how

1825
01:41:39,159 --> 01:41:43,520
many people of a similar constitution were watching the show

1826
01:41:43,520 --> 01:41:47,119
at this time as well. It's that convoluted because the

1827
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:51,039
alternative is just to say this person watched. It's like, oh, yeah,

1828
01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:53,199
did he really? Because I'm paying a lot of money

1829
01:41:53,239 --> 01:41:55,479
for this ad, you're telling me he watched. I have

1830
01:41:55,640 --> 01:41:57,680
no idea if he got to my ad or not,

1831
01:41:58,319 --> 01:42:01,479
So how am I supposed to pay you? Here we are, though,

1832
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:04,600
right back to before all these innovations and all the

1833
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:10,199
currency of this marketplace was established, and everyone's taking advantage

1834
01:42:10,199 --> 01:42:12,640
of it, right, and no one wants to let Nielsen

1835
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:15,239
under the hood on streaming they don't want to do it.

1836
01:42:15,960 --> 01:42:19,600
They don't give a fuck they need to. Just you pay,

1837
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:22,479
you pay what we tell you it costs. That's how

1838
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:26,920
it's working right now. No third party to verify if

1839
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:30,800
people are actually watching or not. We need we need

1840
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:36,000
a Hey, I might just shed the magic word. Get

1841
01:42:36,039 --> 01:42:38,039
me in there. All third party the shit out of them.

1842
01:42:38,079 --> 01:42:42,319
Absolutely absolutely. I love third party as a verb. I

1843
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:47,359
love it. It'll probably take a it'll probably take an

1844
01:42:47,359 --> 01:42:50,359
Act of Congress. Literally, I wish they fucking would. I

1845
01:42:50,359 --> 01:42:52,920
don't know why they don't, but I wish they fucking would.

1846
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:56,520
I mean, I think it's it's important. I mean, you know,

1847
01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:01,439
it's in many ways they the streaming. It's out of

1848
01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:07,840
control with with I mean, I only speak from my

1849
01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:13,199
own experience because of the fact that that streaming shows

1850
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:19,359
make give me way less money than shows on actual television.

1851
01:43:19,359 --> 01:43:23,159
And intuitively, you know that actual television is declining medium,

1852
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:26,399
that millions and millions less people have cable every year,

1853
01:43:27,039 --> 01:43:29,039
and that streaming is where it's at, and that's where

1854
01:43:29,039 --> 01:43:32,680
all the eyeballs are in the next wave demographically that's

1855
01:43:32,720 --> 01:43:35,399
coming through. Like we got to figure this out. Like

1856
01:43:36,199 --> 01:43:38,079
it doesn't make any sense that you're getting paid more

1857
01:43:38,119 --> 01:43:40,960
and from a declining medium than one that has all

1858
01:43:41,039 --> 01:43:44,159
the upside on it. Right, But it's because it's exactly

1859
01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:46,319
what you're saying, is the fact that there's not an

1860
01:43:46,359 --> 01:43:52,079
objective party looking at it. It's all internal and they

1861
01:43:52,279 --> 01:43:55,640
release whatever numbers they want to release. And they also

1862
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:58,760
you know, like, well, you know, yes, you know, we

1863
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:03,720
had this us this show had fifteen billion views over

1864
01:44:03,800 --> 01:44:05,479
its first few weeks. But you know it's you know,

1865
01:44:06,239 --> 01:44:08,760
it's relative because it's you know, it's not really fifteen

1866
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,239
billion views, because that's just you know, these are the

1867
01:44:11,279 --> 01:44:13,279
things that happens. So we really you can't get paid

1868
01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:17,560
like you think you should, right exactly fifteen because fIF

1869
01:44:17,600 --> 01:44:20,760
because here's the thing, fifteen billion views isn't fifteen trillion views.

1870
01:44:22,880 --> 01:44:24,880
Maybe we get to fifteen trillion, we can talk business,

1871
01:44:24,920 --> 01:44:28,560
but right now, these are just the things that you know,

1872
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:31,640
of a delicate nature. And advertisers are to blame too,

1873
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:34,880
because if they would just say, nope, no money for you,

1874
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,880
Amazon Prime until you give us the full transparency and

1875
01:44:38,039 --> 01:44:41,680
meant it, if Netflix ads business can get off the ground.

1876
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:43,880
Until they insisted on that level of transparency they were

1877
01:44:43,880 --> 01:44:47,079
accustomed to they'd eventually release the numbers because the wouldn't

1878
01:44:47,079 --> 01:44:49,439
want to pass up that money. They're all doing an

1879
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:52,399
ad play now, they're all inserting programmatic in there. It's

1880
01:44:52,399 --> 01:44:56,920
all AD supported now to some in some tiers, but

1881
01:44:57,079 --> 01:45:00,880
now just oh well, I feel my feels like we're

1882
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,800
hip if I'm on a streaming if I'm in streaming inventory,

1883
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:06,640
so you tell me, you name your price so that

1884
01:45:06,760 --> 01:45:09,159
i can feel like I'm doing my job because I'm

1885
01:45:09,159 --> 01:45:11,239
on Hulu even though I have no fucking idea if

1886
01:45:11,239 --> 01:45:14,119
anyone even saw the ad, no fucking clue. They'll spit

1887
01:45:14,199 --> 01:45:15,920
me out a report that says someone saw the ad,

1888
01:45:16,640 --> 01:45:19,680
but they're greating their own homework all day, which is one.

1889
01:45:19,760 --> 01:45:21,880
It's one thing when it's like a you know, fucking

1890
01:45:22,399 --> 01:45:26,680
banner ad for a twelve dollars toy from China. You know,

1891
01:45:27,399 --> 01:45:29,000
it's one thing to let Facebook tell you how many

1892
01:45:29,039 --> 01:45:32,199
people saw it. But when we're talking like NFL football games,

1893
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:35,159
you're not gonna give me a break Fox. We need

1894
01:45:35,239 --> 01:45:36,880
the full breakdown and the public needs to be able

1895
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:39,720
to access it then exactly, you know you gotta pay

1896
01:45:39,960 --> 01:45:42,399
Nielsen to get the full granularity on the on the

1897
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:45,239
tail I'm not saying that, but it needs to be

1898
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:49,119
generally circulated. How many people are watching these shows? If

1899
01:45:49,159 --> 01:45:52,000
you are not to defraud the advertiser, you know, and

1900
01:45:52,039 --> 01:45:54,800
therefore defraud the public in a way. You know, it's

1901
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:58,239
like you're inflating the cost of advertising so much that

1902
01:45:58,439 --> 01:46:02,840
like only people that are selling the absolute premium products

1903
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:04,880
can afford it. It says, who, Well, how do we

1904
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:07,319
know that many people are watching it? You know, it's

1905
01:46:07,960 --> 01:46:17,680
it's a weird deal we're in anyway, continue, where was

1906
01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:18,000
the here?

1907
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:18,359
Speaker 7: Uh?

1908
01:46:21,239 --> 01:46:27,239
Speaker 2: Okay? MTV needed the same level of audience stability. Unfortunately,

1909
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:30,199
when they launched the channel, it was with a skeletal budget.

1910
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:33,199
The music videos were paid for by the labels and

1911
01:46:33,279 --> 01:46:36,600
given MTV at no charge. The arrangement was identical to

1912
01:46:36,720 --> 01:46:40,840
how radio stations received promotional copies of new records. Why

1913
01:46:40,920 --> 01:46:43,800
would MTV need a production budget when the labels shouldered

1914
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:49,640
the bulk of the expense. Uh. Nevertheless, MTV needed ratings

1915
01:46:50,039 --> 01:46:53,319
and last and fast to keep the their ship afloat

1916
01:46:53,359 --> 01:46:55,880
in the in their early years. Additionally, it had to

1917
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:59,279
be with programming that and that an outside production company

1918
01:46:59,319 --> 01:47:01,960
would pay for and be willing to sell to the

1919
01:47:02,039 --> 01:47:05,199
channel at minimal cost. It would help if that programming

1920
01:47:05,279 --> 01:47:08,159
originated from New York City to reflect the channel's tightly

1921
01:47:08,359 --> 01:47:12,479
honed image in presenting to their audience the city's nightlife.

1922
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:15,359
If they could get a critically acclaimed pop star with

1923
01:47:15,600 --> 01:47:21,279
origins in the NYC club scene, like say Cydney Lauper,

1924
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:25,600
it would be even closer in keeping with MTV's image.

1925
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:29,239
More than anything else, it had to be the programming.

1926
01:47:31,039 --> 01:47:32,960
It had to be programming with a loyal, built in

1927
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,399
audience who could be counted on to find MTV on

1928
01:47:35,479 --> 01:47:38,920
the dial and stay there for an extended period, something

1929
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:42,119
that could calm the sponsors who already had one foot

1930
01:47:42,119 --> 01:47:46,039
out the door on the MTV experiment. For MTV, the

1931
01:47:46,079 --> 01:47:52,600
World's entertainment was uniquely suited to tick all these books

1932
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:55,600
very interesting well, I don't dispute the involvement of Dave

1933
01:47:55,680 --> 01:47:58,880
Wolf in helping to broker this arrangement. It appears from

1934
01:47:58,920 --> 01:48:02,159
all available evidence that it was fueled by MTV's desperation

1935
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:08,880
for cheap, original content more than their enthusiasm to pro wrestling.

1936
01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:13,800
We saw a version of this story play out when

1937
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:18,119
SmackDown started on UPN and nine. Paramount was running a

1938
01:48:18,159 --> 01:48:23,560
critically reviled and commercially disappointing second tier startup network, and

1939
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:31,520
desperately needed a show that could penetrate ratings, generate penetrate brother,

1940
01:48:32,039 --> 01:48:35,760
generate ratings with a consistent audience. The we swooped in

1941
01:48:37,239 --> 01:48:40,840
gave it to them. Even though the arrangement helped both

1942
01:48:41,000 --> 01:48:44,279
ww and MTV, it was cattle. It was catalyzed by

1943
01:48:44,399 --> 01:48:50,600
MTV's vulnerabilities in creating original programming. If MTV had if

1944
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:57,159
MTB ever found itself doing well, things would get complicated.

1945
01:48:58,760 --> 01:49:01,920
While Wendy Richter and the The Fabulous Mullah were wrestling

1946
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:04,800
on MTV in nineteen eighty four, something incredible was happening.

1947
01:49:05,119 --> 01:49:09,079
For a brief but sustain time, music videos caught fire.

1948
01:49:10,039 --> 01:49:14,760
Michael Jackson, Madonna, Duran Duran, Bruce Springsteen, Prince George, Michael

1949
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:18,279
Van Helen, and many others put out videos that year

1950
01:49:18,399 --> 01:49:23,560
which the youth of America ate up. This led to

1951
01:49:23,640 --> 01:49:27,119
an avalanche of new revenue from advertisers and record viewership.

1952
01:49:28,359 --> 01:49:31,359
When viacomfirst announced their purchase of MTV in late nineteen

1953
01:49:31,359 --> 01:49:35,680
eighty five from Warner MX, they were impressed enough by

1954
01:49:35,720 --> 01:49:38,439
the network's popularity in that revenue in eighty four to

1955
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:42,640
give MTV a larger operating budget and a mandate to

1956
01:49:42,680 --> 01:49:46,399
create original programming for the network in house. The artists

1957
01:49:47,279 --> 01:49:50,720
who set nineteen eighty four on fire wouldn't have new

1958
01:49:50,840 --> 01:49:53,960
music for a while, and the continued popularity of videos

1959
01:49:54,000 --> 01:49:58,439
could not be guaranteed past that landmark year. We need content,

1960
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:02,640
that's right. Amidst the success was the palpable threat that

1961
01:50:02,800 --> 01:50:06,960
hung in the air that MTV would regress back to

1962
01:50:07,079 --> 01:50:09,760
their pre eighty four slump if a new generation of

1963
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:15,920
acts didn't resonate as well with their audience. With all

1964
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:19,239
these factors at the forefront of conversations at the network,

1965
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:21,520
it was time for MTV to create their own shows

1966
01:50:21,560 --> 01:50:25,840
and play a bigger hand in controlling their destiny. The

1967
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:28,479
nineteen eighty six Slammys landed at an awkward time for

1968
01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:30,880
the rock and Wrestling connection. MTV was on our new

1969
01:50:30,920 --> 01:50:33,600
ownership and with a robust budget to create new programming

1970
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:36,479
slated to launch nineteen eighty seven. While it's not clear

1971
01:50:36,640 --> 01:50:39,359
what Viacom thought of thee being on MTV, it was

1972
01:50:39,399 --> 01:50:42,279
apparent that the channel would not be in the we's

1973
01:50:42,399 --> 01:50:46,920
debt going forward. Yes, this is still a window at

1974
01:50:46,960 --> 01:50:50,680
eighty six where original ww programming and benefit will benefit

1975
01:50:50,720 --> 01:50:54,239
the network. But Vince McMahon is very much a dead

1976
01:50:54,359 --> 01:50:57,720
man walking on this broadcast. I don't know if he

1977
01:50:57,800 --> 01:51:00,640
can sense the winds changing, but there is a palpable

1978
01:51:01,359 --> 01:51:04,079
desperation on the slammis broadcast to do anything to impress

1979
01:51:04,079 --> 01:51:06,760
a channel that ones needed him very badly, but was

1980
01:51:06,880 --> 01:51:11,239
now on the cusp of bigger things, not a position

1981
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:16,039
Vince ever likes to end up in. So I'm always

1982
01:51:16,119 --> 01:51:18,600
the bigger man. I should buy MTV. I made MTV.

1983
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:23,159
I made MTV. I made MTV into an entertainment conglomerate.

1984
01:51:23,239 --> 01:51:24,600
That's your question, pal, what do you think the M

1985
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:32,399
stands for McMahon McMahon Television. Yeah, I can actually see

1986
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:36,239
like some regional broadcaster called McMahon Television. They are, oh yeah,

1987
01:51:36,279 --> 01:51:40,239
for sure, twelve NBC affiliates and Greater Lexington, Kentucky McMahon

1988
01:51:40,279 --> 01:51:44,399
and Television Corporation. That's pretty funny. Well, yeah, great stuff, Neil,

1989
01:51:44,399 --> 01:51:46,960
Thanks very much for that essay. That's very insightful and

1990
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:52,119
gets us a little closer to understanding why the WWFMTV

1991
01:51:52,239 --> 01:51:55,640
relationship went up and down so quickly. It just flamed

1992
01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:58,680
right out, and I can confirm that trying to get

1993
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:01,119
some color from an MTV people on why it ended

1994
01:52:01,279 --> 01:52:04,680
is not easy. Okay, folks don't necessarily want to talk

1995
01:52:04,720 --> 01:52:08,640
about being reliant on WWF or why it stopped working.

1996
01:52:11,319 --> 01:52:13,079
I think so. I think folks would rather talk about

1997
01:52:13,079 --> 01:52:15,520
other things in their career than how they had to

1998
01:52:15,680 --> 01:52:18,079
ride the WWF tiger for a couple of years to

1999
01:52:18,239 --> 01:52:22,960
stay relevant. Christian a long time bad rock of the

2000
01:52:23,039 --> 01:52:26,199
Lapsed Fan Solar System. Day one motherfucker has a wonderful proposal.

2001
01:52:26,680 --> 01:52:29,800
He calls it Boss the Lapsed Fan Summer Pilgrimage. Oh boy,

2002
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:32,800
go chairs. As the summer approaches on ten years of Lapsed,

2003
01:52:33,000 --> 01:52:35,439
I'm reflecting on how we are loyal Congregation of the

2004
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,039
Church of Lapsed can pay o much to the greatest

2005
01:52:38,119 --> 01:52:41,199
award winning college podcast in the industry. We tithe, we

2006
01:52:41,279 --> 01:52:44,600
give testimony, we offer praise in worship through the Lapsed jukebox.

2007
01:52:44,720 --> 01:52:48,079
We even proselytize to wayward souls lost in the wilderness

2008
01:52:48,079 --> 01:52:51,119
of modern www bullshit. We tell the stories, we sing

2009
01:52:51,239 --> 01:52:54,079
the songs. We give of ourselves not because we expect

2010
01:52:54,119 --> 01:52:57,720
a just reward and the hereafter, because we know we

2011
01:52:57,800 --> 01:52:59,920
will get our just serving of pain right here on

2012
01:53:00,119 --> 01:53:02,880
this land we call Earth. Yes, the Lapsed Fan, like

2013
01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:05,640
the Mighty Army of Jericho and no Nut, Chris has

2014
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:09,399
openly served your hearts of zeal and zealous minds. We've

2015
01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:11,520
beaten down the doors where people have attempted to walk

2016
01:53:11,600 --> 01:53:15,159
us out. We've evacuated the Mongols and moondogs two and

2017
01:53:15,319 --> 01:53:18,199
like the Christian Emperor Constantine, we've carried the banner of lapsed,

2018
01:53:18,199 --> 01:53:21,800
which proudly reads in this sign conquer m. This is

2019
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:23,279
why I'm coming to you with a way for us

2020
01:53:23,319 --> 01:53:25,319
to take it one step further, to be as our

2021
01:53:25,399 --> 01:53:27,640
Muslim brothers and sisters are true to the faith. I

2022
01:53:27,720 --> 01:53:31,800
submit to you the annual Lapsed Summer Pilgrimage. Throughout the summer,

2023
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:34,560
every lapsed fan, if able, will visit at least one

2024
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:38,319
site of historical significance to the era when it used

2025
01:53:38,359 --> 01:53:41,199
to be better. There are many meccas and many city

2026
01:53:41,239 --> 01:53:44,279
civic centers as well, and so I propose we create

2027
01:53:44,319 --> 01:53:48,600
a list of the definitive lapsed UNESCO World Pro Wrestling

2028
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:49,600
Heritage sites.

2029
01:53:49,680 --> 01:53:49,840
Speaker 8: Boss.

2030
01:53:50,039 --> 01:53:53,560
Speaker 2: That's the notion you heard it here. First. The rules

2031
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:55,600
are simple. Each member of the solar system may travel

2032
01:53:55,640 --> 01:53:57,920
to at least one venue or location throughout the summer.

2033
01:53:58,119 --> 01:54:00,319
Take a picture of the place and report back on Twitter.

2034
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,239
At the end of summer, a list will be made

2035
01:54:02,239 --> 01:54:05,199
of the lapsed Genesco World Pro Wrestling Heritage sites, forever

2036
01:54:05,319 --> 01:54:08,359
marking the top locations representing why it used to be better.

2037
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:12,039
Guidelines One no building venue from the twenty tens e g.

2038
01:54:12,399 --> 01:54:14,600
Anything built a renovated prier to two thousand and nine.

2039
01:54:15,079 --> 01:54:17,840
Two must have at least one significant moment in wrestling history.

2040
01:54:18,119 --> 01:54:22,720
Three can't include locations. Can include locations where studio wrestling

2041
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,279
or house shows were filmed slash took place, for example

2042
01:54:25,439 --> 01:54:28,439
w R Alan Raleigh, the studio Allentown, PA. If it's

2043
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:31,520
still standing, et cetera. While we went we went yep

2044
01:54:31,560 --> 01:54:33,479
in the Fairal House now Intown. It's still there and

2045
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:35,560
it's a great example of what you're talking about. Christian

2046
01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:39,720
for a wrestling nay forty we stopped by Hamburgen Ringers

2047
01:54:39,800 --> 01:54:45,479
roosts for a a blt oh. Four must include a

2048
01:54:45,520 --> 01:54:48,399
selfie no stock photo and the sense of nasty sensation

2049
01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:51,880
as well. And four must include a selfie no stock photos.

2050
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:53,479
So in the words of the late Pete Rose. How

2051
01:54:53,479 --> 01:54:56,760
about it, Christian. I love the idea. I love it

2052
01:54:56,800 --> 01:54:58,439
for a lot of reasons. One because you can trust

2053
01:54:58,439 --> 01:55:00,439
the labs fan solar system to find the cations that

2054
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:03,479
no one else would find significance in. That's one thing. Yeah,

2055
01:55:03,640 --> 01:55:05,720
we're not just talking about taking a picture of Madison

2056
01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:09,720
Square Garden here, although that certainly belongs. I would actually

2057
01:55:09,800 --> 01:55:11,399
urge you to get into the concourse and find the

2058
01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:14,359
whole Cogan exhibit, right boss, or maybe even the gym,

2059
01:55:14,600 --> 01:55:17,239
the Jim Londo's one. Yeah, Yeah, that's what I would.

2060
01:55:17,279 --> 01:55:21,279
I would say, you know, find the wrestling photos in

2061
01:55:21,439 --> 01:55:26,600
the picture like wall of fame that circles around the

2062
01:55:28,600 --> 01:55:32,279
main concourse. That's what I would do. Great idea. Love it.

2063
01:55:32,479 --> 01:55:34,119
Or if you can get on the suite level and

2064
01:55:34,279 --> 01:55:42,600
find the picture of Hogan and mister t and Liberaci, yes,

2065
01:55:42,960 --> 01:55:46,039
great one. Go take a picture of the hotel in

2066
01:55:46,079 --> 01:55:48,960
Minneapolis where the Minneapolis Boxing and Wrestling Club is headquartered

2067
01:55:49,560 --> 01:55:52,039
and where the lady answered the phone wrestling office as

2068
01:55:52,079 --> 01:55:54,640
depicted in nineteen seventy four as the wrestler, And we're

2069
01:55:54,720 --> 01:55:58,199
vern fucking cut deals and cut checks and book talent

2070
01:55:58,319 --> 01:56:02,159
and collected his percentage. Let's see these places, Let's know

2071
01:56:02,279 --> 01:56:05,680
what they look like. Let's find a I think there's

2072
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:08,199
a statue of Bruno in Pittsburgh or a plaque somewhere

2073
01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:11,239
where you used to live. Got to see that. You're

2074
01:56:11,239 --> 01:56:12,800
all over the place, if you're within the sound of

2075
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:15,600
our voice. We know the geographic diversity of the listenership,

2076
01:56:15,680 --> 01:56:17,600
not only across the United States but across the world.

2077
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:20,720
Is Steve in Ireland not going to go find the

2078
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:22,760
dano O Mahony statue for us? I think he is.

2079
01:56:23,079 --> 01:56:24,680
I think he is. I think it's a fair ask

2080
01:56:25,520 --> 01:56:27,399
who can find the Easter ragg picture of the chic

2081
01:56:27,439 --> 01:56:30,560
and Fenway Park? I challenge you, it's there. Can you

2082
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:33,840
find it? I know where it is. Let's fucking go.

2083
01:56:34,359 --> 01:56:37,399
I love the idea, Christian. It's a wonderful idea, and

2084
01:56:37,479 --> 01:56:40,039
it's wonderful not only because it's brilliant, but because we

2085
01:56:40,159 --> 01:56:43,640
are the only podcast with a listenership capable of executing

2086
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:46,319
on us in the way it needs to be executed upon.

2087
01:56:46,520 --> 01:56:48,720
And so we're not even bashful about broadcasting to the

2088
01:56:48,760 --> 01:56:50,720
world the notion the second you put it on the table,

2089
01:56:51,159 --> 01:56:54,560
and long may you share the credit? So love the idea.

2090
01:56:54,720 --> 01:56:56,520
Let it be the summer of Laps in your travels.

2091
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:59,279
If you find your place vacationing somewhere where any wrestling

2092
01:56:59,319 --> 01:57:02,239
history took place, find a way the homie Blake. He

2093
01:57:02,319 --> 01:57:05,439
sent us pictures of the Von Eric's grave site dabllas.

2094
01:57:05,600 --> 01:57:07,199
You know what I mean. These are things that I

2095
01:57:07,279 --> 01:57:09,479
never would have laid eyes on if not for enterprising

2096
01:57:09,520 --> 01:57:12,600
members of the Solar System showing us, leading us to water,

2097
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:16,000
so to speak, so we can drink. So love the

2098
01:57:16,079 --> 01:57:17,760
idea and let it be a summer of lapsed and

2099
01:57:17,880 --> 01:57:20,159
let it long made continue. You can't find the Silver

2100
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:23,319
Dome anymore, unfortunately, although I know it's probably there's probably

2101
01:57:23,359 --> 01:57:28,199
some vestige of it left. Yeah. Yeah, Chris, long standing,

2102
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:31,119
rock solid member of the Solar System rights drafting a

2103
01:57:31,199 --> 01:57:35,279
legal document and literally had to specifically distinguish between tax

2104
01:57:35,359 --> 01:57:39,079
forms filed for traditional employees and independent contractors. Your motors

2105
01:57:39,199 --> 01:57:43,079
needed a refresher. Your motor, this motor he's talking about himself,

2106
01:57:43,319 --> 01:57:45,880
needed a refresher on the mechanics. So what did he

2107
01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:47,920
consult as an obvious source of truth on the matter.

2108
01:57:48,920 --> 01:57:55,000
Kevin Nash Shoot interview. Yes, that's Laps, absolutely that's lapsed.

2109
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:57,880
Michael writes to us, I discovered your podcast several years

2110
01:57:57,880 --> 01:57:59,800
ago while searching for something to listen to at work.

2111
01:58:00,119 --> 01:58:02,119
Since then, I went along every Journey mains a w

2112
01:58:02,319 --> 01:58:04,640
A World Class starcade. About a year ago, I finally

2113
01:58:04,680 --> 01:58:06,399
broke down and about a lapsed fan shirt from Pro

2114
01:58:06,439 --> 01:58:08,520
Wrestling Tease, wearing it at least once a week while

2115
01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:10,279
out in about I hope someone will recognize it and

2116
01:58:10,359 --> 01:58:12,319
maybe say you a fan, But sadly that has yet

2117
01:58:12,359 --> 01:58:14,920
to happen. Still hoping that day will come. After listening

2118
01:58:14,960 --> 01:58:17,000
to the Wrestling with Shadows episode I wanted more, I

2119
01:58:17,119 --> 01:58:19,159
was saddened to see the Beyond the Mat episode locked

2120
01:58:19,159 --> 01:58:20,680
by a paywall. I think we eventually put that in

2121
01:58:20,760 --> 01:58:22,760
the main feed, didn't we? I think we hit I

2122
01:58:22,840 --> 01:58:25,560
think that's a uh no, I don't think so, because

2123
01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:29,279
it's still kind of newish. Maybe we put maybe we

2124
01:58:29,399 --> 01:58:31,520
put half of it on. Maybe I'm thinking of Paradise Alley.

2125
01:58:33,000 --> 01:58:34,800
Then me put Paradise Alley up. It was part of

2126
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:38,439
the lapsed funk. We did surface some use the lips funk.

2127
01:58:38,520 --> 01:58:41,479
It happened. We did be on the mat in the

2128
01:58:41,560 --> 01:58:44,840
midst of the laps funk correct correct, So yeah, yeah,

2129
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:46,960
that's maybe that'll find its way one day, maybe a

2130
01:58:47,000 --> 01:58:50,000
little matriculate, because that's one of those one of those

2131
01:58:50,079 --> 01:58:53,359
bedrock ones that after they've been on the Patreon shell

2132
01:58:53,399 --> 01:58:55,720
for a while, it's time to let the people. Uh,

2133
01:58:56,199 --> 01:58:59,159
it's like throwing the steak down the down the basement

2134
01:58:59,199 --> 01:59:02,960
stairs to the docks down there. I'm a cheap bastard,

2135
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:04,640
he writes. That's okay, but I finally grew a pair

2136
01:59:04,640 --> 01:59:07,319
of grapefruits and decided to pay my dues. So twenty dollars.

2137
01:59:07,439 --> 01:59:09,800
It is bingo, but it's well worth every penny, and

2138
01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:11,600
you guys deserve all of it. Thanks for all you do,

2139
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:13,680
Long Live Lapsed Michael. Thank you very much for the

2140
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:16,439
email and for the support, and we're very grateful that

2141
01:59:16,520 --> 01:59:19,359
you saw us fit to put some cake on the table.

2142
01:59:20,119 --> 01:59:22,720
Put some cake on the table. You're not as cheap

2143
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:25,079
as you thought you were, Buddy Bruno. I want to

2144
01:59:25,119 --> 01:59:29,520
thank you very much for upping that pledge. I appreciate it. Yeah, sure, Ali,

2145
01:59:29,680 --> 01:59:32,319
thank you, he writes. Why is the concept of loading

2146
01:59:32,479 --> 01:59:34,720
something i e. A boot, a glove or a purse

2147
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:35,640
so funny?

2148
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:36,640
Speaker 1: Oh?

2149
01:59:37,159 --> 01:59:39,560
Speaker 2: Because I mean, can you help us with this, boss.

2150
01:59:39,720 --> 01:59:41,800
I mean, I mean, just think about the idea that

2151
01:59:41,880 --> 01:59:47,600
it's loaded. Is it nachos, baked potato? I mean, what

2152
01:59:47,680 --> 01:59:51,000
are you putting in a boot that makes it loaded?

2153
01:59:51,359 --> 01:59:53,319
You know? Are you are you feeling it with cement?

2154
01:59:53,600 --> 01:59:57,600
Is it loaded with like the purses have a brick

2155
01:59:57,680 --> 02:00:01,880
in them? Usually? Right? But like why is the is

2156
02:00:02,319 --> 02:00:07,560
you know, the loaded the Haliburton briefcase. You know, as

2157
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:11,960
there's the idea of loading something and the fact that

2158
02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:14,640
I mean, I guess what really makes it even funnier

2159
02:00:14,760 --> 02:00:17,880
is that it's as it's it's still easy to pick

2160
02:00:17,960 --> 02:00:20,760
up no matter how loaded it is and swing it

2161
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:23,880
full speed, you know, right, you know, you can still

2162
02:00:24,119 --> 02:00:26,760
just toss it like a like a like a pebble

2163
02:00:27,000 --> 02:00:29,279
and name something even though it's loaded. Name something you

2164
02:00:29,319 --> 02:00:31,520
could toss like a pebble that would hurt more if

2165
02:00:31,560 --> 02:00:33,119
it hit someone in the head than if you just

2166
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:36,000
had this right. I mean, if you think about it,

2167
02:00:36,079 --> 02:00:38,439
it's like, okay, if you're gonna if you get to

2168
02:00:38,760 --> 02:00:42,760
actually load something so that it hurts somebody more, you

2169
02:00:42,960 --> 02:00:45,039
have to put a lot of shit in to make

2170
02:00:45,079 --> 02:00:48,520
it and to make it really heavy, not just a

2171
02:00:48,560 --> 02:00:51,680
little It's funny. A thin film strip of steel in

2172
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:54,000
the in the mask, you know, to add to that

2173
02:00:54,079 --> 02:00:57,680
head button, right right, hilarious, It is funny. Loaded boots

2174
02:00:57,680 --> 02:01:02,359
are fucking hilarious. Loaded. Give me a loaded full of shit,

2175
02:01:02,479 --> 02:01:04,680
is what it is. Load. Yeah, Actually a lot of

2176
02:01:04,680 --> 02:01:07,319
these guys get loaded after the shows. We said earlier

2177
02:01:07,359 --> 02:01:09,439
and at the credit here goes to Josh. Josh is

2178
02:01:09,439 --> 02:01:11,560
the one that linked us up to the Austin versus

2179
02:01:11,560 --> 02:01:15,119
Savage WCW match. So I wanted to throw appreci his way. Appreac.

2180
02:01:15,479 --> 02:01:18,039
That's a new one, Chad Kroeger. Yeah, I just want

2181
02:01:18,039 --> 02:01:20,600
to sho appreached to Mondays. Now I know you're thinking, Chad,

2182
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:24,079
she appreached to Mondays. Cobra Jones, thank you very much

2183
02:01:24,359 --> 02:01:28,640
for your meaty pledge. We appreciate the cake. Andrew, who's

2184
02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:33,039
a great supporter of the fucking cast Mabel Toys Rocking

2185
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:36,840
and Rolling right, we're talking, oh yeah, oh yeah. He's

2186
02:01:36,920 --> 02:01:39,800
friendly with Larry's Abisco. He has talked about this over

2187
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:41,920
the years, and we were talking on our World War

2188
02:01:41,960 --> 02:01:45,119
three nine ninety six episode what about Larry? What was

2189
02:01:45,159 --> 02:01:48,399
he thinking when the barbarian was laying into Lee Marshall

2190
02:01:48,399 --> 02:01:51,159
at ringside and what appeared to be an unscripted attack

2191
02:01:51,239 --> 02:01:53,279
where Lee Marshall suddenly was thrust into the position of

2192
02:01:53,359 --> 02:01:56,319
having to sell for a monster pro wrestler and still

2193
02:01:56,399 --> 02:01:59,920
somehow commentate the the Battle Royal. Unfortunately for us, well,

2194
02:02:00,079 --> 02:02:02,439
fortunately for us, Andrew was able to ask Larry. Unfortunately

2195
02:02:02,479 --> 02:02:05,560
for us, Larry had no recollection whatsoever course of the

2196
02:02:05,600 --> 02:02:09,039
whole thing. But I felt that it was worth reporting

2197
02:02:09,119 --> 02:02:13,039
back because Android made the effort. And he also urges

2198
02:02:13,079 --> 02:02:16,520
you to check out Larry's Obisco's song. I don't know

2199
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:19,119
if you know that there was a Larry's Abisco song. Boss.

2200
02:02:19,159 --> 02:02:22,399
Do you hear anything about this? No, there's a We'll

2201
02:02:22,439 --> 02:02:24,159
come up on it later too. Someone linked us to

2202
02:02:24,199 --> 02:02:27,239
a great compendium that someone had created on a website

2203
02:02:27,239 --> 02:02:30,520
of like wrestling related albums, and there's like a hundred

2204
02:02:30,520 --> 02:02:32,319
of them on there. It's like there are so many

2205
02:02:32,359 --> 02:02:36,359
of these novelty things along the lines of the wrestling album.

2206
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:40,640
And we spent a lot of time getting into getting

2207
02:02:40,640 --> 02:02:43,520
into the wrestling album. Uh and and kind of it's

2208
02:02:43,600 --> 02:02:47,319
pre its precursors when we did the Slammy Show and

2209
02:02:47,399 --> 02:02:51,000
all of the things that you know, all all the

2210
02:02:51,119 --> 02:02:54,640
things that that fit that category. I'm trying to find

2211
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:57,720
here it's a Bisco's song. I'm not going to find it,

2212
02:02:57,800 --> 02:03:00,319
I don't think. But it's called boo on me. If

2213
02:03:00,359 --> 02:03:01,600
you want to try to find it on us.

2214
02:03:03,279 --> 02:03:19,159
Speaker 1: He's a laps fall wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that

2215
02:03:19,319 --> 02:03:22,760
knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.

2216
02:03:37,439 --> 02:03:41,359
He's the Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio

2217
02:03:41,760 --> 02:03:42,840
and JP Sorrow.

2218
02:03:46,720 --> 02:04:00,359
Speaker 2: Here it comes t L A f l's us go

2219
02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:15,520
boo on a man? Oh hate? So come on, you

2220
02:04:15,840 --> 02:04:33,880
just can't wait. That's poo Yeah you did. Oh my god,

2221
02:04:34,199 --> 02:04:37,359
this make me cry. Enjoy that.

2222
02:04:38,439 --> 02:04:38,479
Speaker 5: No.

2223
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:41,199
Speaker 2: I figured we owed it to Andrew Putting in the world. Wow,

2224
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:44,399
what a fuck. They're trying to get it relaunched. They

2225
02:04:44,439 --> 02:04:47,920
think there's a market. Get on Spotify, baby, send some

2226
02:04:48,239 --> 02:04:54,800
some royalties. The Legend's Way and the golf Polo. Dan

2227
02:04:54,880 --> 02:04:57,079
wants you to know that. Coincidentally, twin Peaks is also

2228
02:04:57,119 --> 02:05:00,359
the name of a sleazy hooter's knockoff restaurant, Chaine Twin

2229
02:05:00,399 --> 02:05:05,159
Peaks Restaurant dot com. Boss. Well, I mean, hey, let's

2230
02:05:05,199 --> 02:05:08,279
do it makes less sense as fan Marv. Great to

2231
02:05:08,319 --> 02:05:10,319
see backpal. Thank you very much for your support. We

2232
02:05:10,439 --> 02:05:15,000
appreciate it. Graveyard Entertainment also a wonderful supporter on Patreon.

2233
02:05:15,880 --> 02:05:18,680
He says, if being excited by nine hours on a

2234
02:05:18,760 --> 02:05:21,039
movie isn't a clear indication that I have a problem,

2235
02:05:21,159 --> 02:05:25,479
there is no problem, and that's exactly correct. Logan writes,

2236
02:05:25,520 --> 02:05:27,600
thank you for taking this journey into David Lynch. His

2237
02:05:27,720 --> 02:05:29,800
work was a blind spot for me, so it's been

2238
02:05:29,840 --> 02:05:31,880
great learning about him. I've seen all his movies now,

2239
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:34,000
and on season three of Twin Peaks, I highly recommend

2240
02:05:34,039 --> 02:05:36,239
to The Straight Story. It's a heartwarming and very well

2241
02:05:36,319 --> 02:05:38,399
acted story of a seventy three year old man determined

2242
02:05:38,399 --> 02:05:40,520
to make amends with his brother, with one hilarious scene

2243
02:05:40,560 --> 02:05:43,000
that reminds you it's a Lynch movie. My favorite of

2244
02:05:43,039 --> 02:05:44,880
his would be Blue Velvet. However, I still think of

2245
02:05:44,920 --> 02:05:47,600
that movie over a month after seeing it. Also, the

2246
02:05:47,640 --> 02:05:50,479
original pilot for mohalland Drive is up on Internet archive

2247
02:05:51,079 --> 02:05:53,399
if anyone is interested in watching it is Doctor, which

2248
02:05:54,359 --> 02:05:58,720
again is basically the same movie. For those who who

2249
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:02,439
you know, listen to the Twin Peaks episodes. Basically is

2250
02:06:02,479 --> 02:06:08,840
the same movie, but without the female uh kind of

2251
02:06:09,600 --> 02:06:14,039
love angle love angle, right, Yeah, so much, so much

2252
02:06:14,079 --> 02:06:18,039
more to learn about David Lynch. But you know, the

2253
02:06:18,119 --> 02:06:21,479
Twin Peaks connections were there, from some indies doing Twin

2254
02:06:21,560 --> 02:06:24,239
Peaks gimmicks to of course the Brazan Goo and Tyler

2255
02:06:24,319 --> 02:06:27,399
Breeze doing the Twin Peaks knockoffs gets on raw. So

2256
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:30,199
we had we had the connections we needed for that

2257
02:06:30,640 --> 02:06:34,359
that stop. We mentioned the PayPal tip jar option earlier.

2258
02:06:34,479 --> 02:06:37,319
Zach who just supports us in every way you can imagine. Also,

2259
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:40,560
uh gave us at a boy at the conclusion of

2260
02:06:40,600 --> 02:06:43,199
the David Lynch tribute, sending us some cake and saying

2261
02:06:43,279 --> 02:06:45,960
for the coachairs to give themselves the present of one

2262
02:06:46,039 --> 02:06:49,279
slice of pie or a milkshake. We'll take We'll take

2263
02:06:49,359 --> 02:06:51,600
up on that one of these days. Well, we'll have

2264
02:06:51,720 --> 02:06:55,520
it and we'll show it to you. Yeah. William wants

2265
02:06:55,600 --> 02:06:57,199
to know. Well first, he says, I'm proud of the

2266
02:06:57,239 --> 02:06:59,600
Solar System for not spoiling the killer in Twin Peaks,

2267
02:06:59,760 --> 02:07:01,800
and I love JP for the cliffhanger. Well done, sir.

2268
02:07:01,960 --> 02:07:03,640
Did you actually tell Jack or did you leave him

2269
02:07:03,640 --> 02:07:06,800
hanging as well? I told him, I did tell him.

2270
02:07:06,840 --> 02:07:08,159
I cut you know. I don't he I even told

2271
02:07:08,159 --> 02:07:10,079
you I cut that out of the episode. Oh shit,

2272
02:07:10,279 --> 02:07:13,079
see I thought that made the episode. No, I decided

2273
02:07:13,079 --> 02:07:14,840
to cut it out. I had no idea that about that.

2274
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:17,640
That's huge, What a great thing to talk about. Then here, Yeah,

2275
02:07:17,680 --> 02:07:20,760
I I I I was. I got right to the

2276
02:07:20,800 --> 02:07:27,359
point where I was about to say, and then I

2277
02:07:27,439 --> 02:07:30,800
put the the montage on. I had no idea. Yeah,

2278
02:07:30,800 --> 02:07:33,800
because you told me after we finished the movie in

2279
02:07:33,880 --> 02:07:35,840
a way that still sounded like you were on. You know,

2280
02:07:36,199 --> 02:07:36,560
we were on.

2281
02:07:36,720 --> 02:07:37,079
Speaker 8: We were on.

2282
02:07:37,319 --> 02:07:39,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I recorded that was it. That was a

2283
02:07:39,319 --> 02:07:42,399
decision afterwards. That was a decision, as I was probably

2284
02:07:42,399 --> 02:07:46,520
why did you make that decision? Because I think people

2285
02:07:46,560 --> 02:07:49,000
should see it? Yep, I think people should see it

2286
02:07:49,039 --> 02:07:51,880
for themselves. I think it. I think it. It just

2287
02:07:52,039 --> 02:07:58,720
it's such a revelation that it it's it's just amazing.

2288
02:07:58,840 --> 02:08:02,119
It's amazing revelation. What do they need to know about

2289
02:08:02,159 --> 02:08:03,920
how much more Twin Peaks they have to watch? If

2290
02:08:03,960 --> 02:08:06,640
you want to divulge that even to get that, you

2291
02:08:06,800 --> 02:08:08,760
just got to get through to find out, You've got

2292
02:08:08,840 --> 02:08:12,640
to get about maybe a third of the way through

2293
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:19,159
season two. Okay, And I hope the theme song doesn't change, no,

2294
02:08:19,359 --> 02:08:22,760
no at all, no im faces of the name absolutely, man.

2295
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:24,479
I mean, if that wasn't in my head, I put

2296
02:08:24,520 --> 02:08:26,920
it on the car once. It's so great. I realized

2297
02:08:26,920 --> 02:08:29,239
that's a great, great piece of music. I actually, you know,

2298
02:08:29,680 --> 02:08:32,720
it's funny. After I watched that the whole thing the

2299
02:08:32,760 --> 02:08:39,880
first time back in two thousand and whatever, I I

2300
02:08:40,039 --> 02:08:43,760
bought the soundtrack album. Wow, I bought the soundtrack album,

2301
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:46,560
so I got all that music, all that great Angelo

2302
02:08:46,600 --> 02:09:00,359
Badam and oh God disusing it. Boom boom boom the waterfall. Ah,

2303
02:09:00,479 --> 02:09:02,880
it's beautiful, Oh so beautiful. And then you have to

2304
02:09:02,920 --> 02:09:06,640
hear the whole thing, the whole under the Cinema Lynch

2305
02:09:06,680 --> 02:09:09,520
tribute Twin Peaks tribute is worth it to get to

2306
02:09:09,600 --> 02:09:11,479
that end where boss Man hits you, that montage to

2307
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:15,600
that music of all the nuggets of wisdom that David

2308
02:09:15,680 --> 02:09:19,399
Lynch portrayed and conveyed, I should say, in his time

2309
02:09:19,439 --> 02:09:22,960
here on earth, and it is truly a beautiful ending.

2310
02:09:23,079 --> 02:09:27,520
So highest recommendation. Tim writes to us son, I'm expected

2311
02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:29,479
to you know, honest to God, that was not that

2312
02:09:29,680 --> 02:09:31,600
was not on my plan for twenty twenty five, and

2313
02:09:31,680 --> 02:09:33,920
amazing how that happens, son of a bitch had to

2314
02:09:33,960 --> 02:09:38,039
go and die. Hey, that's another great thing about the

2315
02:09:38,119 --> 02:09:39,279
format here. We're flexible.

2316
02:09:39,319 --> 02:09:39,439
Speaker 1: Man.

2317
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:43,279
Speaker 2: We strike when they're it's hot. Yeah, no excuses, clear

2318
02:09:43,319 --> 02:09:45,159
the whole deck. We don't give a fuck. All right, fine,

2319
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:47,920
this whole podcast will be about Terry Funk for eight months.

2320
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:50,000
Fuck you, it's right. This whole podcast will be about

2321
02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:53,520
TNA in twenty ten. Fuck you, No podcast will be

2322
02:09:53,560 --> 02:09:55,720
about SID for eight months. We don't give a fuck.

2323
02:09:56,039 --> 02:10:00,840
And that's right. Go fuck yourself exactly, Tim eat shit, Yeah,

2324
02:10:01,000 --> 02:10:04,039
you're starting to get there rights to us on our

2325
02:10:04,039 --> 02:10:06,039
World War three ninety six episode. World War three is

2326
02:10:06,079 --> 02:10:08,239
probably the worst gimmick match of all. But as a kid,

2327
02:10:08,279 --> 02:10:11,079
I thought they should have simulcast each ring. I imagine

2328
02:10:11,079 --> 02:10:12,720
they may have needed to pay cable systems more to

2329
02:10:12,720 --> 02:10:14,520
get three channels of pay per view, but maybe put

2330
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:17,279
the three rings on TNT, then hard cameras on each ring,

2331
02:10:17,319 --> 02:10:18,640
and put it on the center ring on the main

2332
02:10:18,680 --> 02:10:20,960
pay per view ring, then split the others to TBS

2333
02:10:21,000 --> 02:10:23,439
and I don't know, CNN, Court TV. There's the thought

2334
02:10:23,880 --> 02:10:26,960
you can watch, you choose which ring you watch contained

2335
02:10:26,960 --> 02:10:29,520
the stressing Ida that's not bad idea at all, actually,

2336
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:34,119
I mean if you had yeah, yeah, it could be interesting.

2337
02:10:34,279 --> 02:10:36,399
Especially with streaming now, I mean it complicates it because

2338
02:10:36,880 --> 02:10:38,399
if it's pay per view, you can't just as well

2339
02:10:38,439 --> 02:10:41,079
put one of the rings on free TV. But now

2340
02:10:41,159 --> 02:10:42,800
you could do it. I remember UFC used to do

2341
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:45,239
that when they used to have before they got in

2342
02:10:45,279 --> 02:10:47,399
bed with the ESPN, they used to offer their pay

2343
02:10:47,439 --> 02:10:49,720
per views on their own streaming service, like their version

2344
02:10:49,720 --> 02:10:52,399
of WW network, and they actually went all out that

2345
02:10:52,520 --> 02:10:55,520
you could toggle sound so like during the course of

2346
02:10:55,560 --> 02:10:57,319
the fight, instead of listening to the commentators, you could

2347
02:10:57,359 --> 02:11:01,239
listen to the corner men shouting the instructions and actually

2348
02:11:01,279 --> 02:11:03,640
caught the corner men saying some fascinating things and some

2349
02:11:03,760 --> 02:11:05,359
key fights over the years. That was kind of like

2350
02:11:05,399 --> 02:11:07,800
an interesting fun exercises to go back and see what

2351
02:11:07,840 --> 02:11:10,479
you could piece together just listening to the quarter audio afterwards.

2352
02:11:10,760 --> 02:11:13,399
And you could pick I believe you could if I'm

2353
02:11:13,439 --> 02:11:16,159
remembering correctly. You could pick camera angles as well. They

2354
02:11:16,239 --> 02:11:18,399
did a ton of experimental stuff and it really was cool.

2355
02:11:19,439 --> 02:11:21,159
But WW didn't do anything like that. I mean they

2356
02:11:21,159 --> 02:11:22,880
would have to get buy in from like Peacock. It's

2357
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:24,479
not like they could just do it. But even when

2358
02:11:24,479 --> 02:11:27,079
they had the network, there wasn't there wasn't much fun

2359
02:11:27,119 --> 02:11:28,600
you could have, you know what I mean with like

2360
02:11:28,720 --> 02:11:31,039
how you took it in and I wonder if that

2361
02:11:31,159 --> 02:11:34,520
there's some space for that. Corey Barnett, thanks very much

2362
02:11:34,680 --> 02:11:37,640
for your pledge. We appreciate you joining the inner circle

2363
02:11:37,680 --> 02:11:42,079
here at tlf on. David Lynch, Carlo Wright. It's all

2364
02:11:42,079 --> 02:11:45,720
about trust, after all. Without the trust, David Lynch engenders

2365
02:11:45,920 --> 02:11:48,920
he is the definition and exemplar of the pervy, pretentious,

2366
02:11:48,960 --> 02:11:51,880
tortured artist gimmick yep. For example, in the middle of production,

2367
02:11:51,960 --> 02:11:53,439
he says to his lead actors, I just had a

2368
02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:56,880
vision in meditation. I just added eighteen pages to the script.

2369
02:11:56,920 --> 02:11:58,119
And by the way, the two of you are going

2370
02:11:58,199 --> 02:12:00,840
to have sex nude on camera and you, Naomi, you

2371
02:12:00,920 --> 02:12:02,920
are going to lay down and masturbate. And what do

2372
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:05,920
you think about that? Girls? Very tasteful, very safe. We're

2373
02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:08,960
going to need a lot of takes to get it right. Wow. Yep,

2374
02:12:09,479 --> 02:12:15,199
that's what he did, pretty much what he did, ye Naomi, Naomi,

2375
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:20,600
you gotta keep doing it, keep rubbing the pussy. You

2376
02:12:20,760 --> 02:12:24,359
got no farder, the not your the I mean pussy

2377
02:12:24,439 --> 02:12:27,039
is offensive enough in that scenario, he says.

2378
02:12:26,920 --> 02:12:27,000
Speaker 5: The.

2379
02:12:31,800 --> 02:12:36,880
Speaker 2: No, no, harder, harder, Naomi, that is a huge distinction

2380
02:12:37,000 --> 02:12:39,239
in life. Like we talked, We've talked about how much

2381
02:12:39,279 --> 02:12:40,960
of a difference maker it is when a dick is

2382
02:12:41,000 --> 02:12:43,680
out as opposed to end right, how it changes the

2383
02:12:43,880 --> 02:12:47,880
entire mood within a twenty minute radius. But similarly, like

2384
02:12:48,359 --> 02:12:55,560
the and your huge difference big is or that you

2385
02:12:55,640 --> 02:12:59,279
know that is even better, like you know, like you

2386
02:12:59,399 --> 02:13:02,159
just said, like you know, touch not your pussy, touched

2387
02:13:02,199 --> 02:13:07,119
that pussy. I don't know even like you know, eat

2388
02:13:07,159 --> 02:13:10,359
your dinner, eat that dinner, Eat that dinner, Eat the dinner,

2389
02:13:10,479 --> 02:13:13,119
eat that dinner. It comes off so much differently. Yes,

2390
02:13:14,239 --> 02:13:16,520
William writes, there was a Simpsons episode where Homer is

2391
02:13:16,520 --> 02:13:18,760
watching Twin Peaks, sitting on the couch, a piece of

2392
02:13:18,840 --> 02:13:21,079
popcorn clenched between his fingers, and he says something on

2393
02:13:21,239 --> 02:13:22,960
the lines of this show is amazing. I have no

2394
02:13:23,079 --> 02:13:28,520
idea what it's about. That's pretty good, and he remembers

2395
02:13:28,640 --> 02:13:33,000
the six cassette box. Is that a Twin Peaks? Yes, Yeah,

2396
02:13:33,079 --> 02:13:41,000
that was a that was That was the VHS cassette

2397
02:13:41,199 --> 02:13:44,960
they released vs. A VHS box set in ninety five.

2398
02:13:45,119 --> 02:13:49,000
First and no, they released the the Laser Disc in Japan,

2399
02:13:49,159 --> 02:13:52,199
but then the VHS box set in the State's huge

2400
02:13:52,279 --> 02:13:56,119
in so you could get the complete Twin Peaks on

2401
02:13:56,239 --> 02:13:59,399
VHS in nineteen ninety five. That's amazing. Yep, all all

2402
02:13:59,479 --> 02:14:01,479
thirty up since the earliest I ever heard of something

2403
02:14:01,560 --> 02:14:04,279
like that. Yeah, I don't, I mean, I knew movies

2404
02:14:04,479 --> 02:14:06,760
move they did that with movies. Yeah, movie, I remember

2405
02:14:06,800 --> 02:14:11,119
they did that with the Star Trek, the original Star

2406
02:14:11,199 --> 02:14:15,239
Trek movies, but not not TV I don't remember. I mean,

2407
02:14:15,239 --> 02:14:18,680
I know they'd have best of you know, or selections

2408
02:14:18,920 --> 02:14:22,600
of movies, but not like that, not the whole fun

2409
02:14:22,760 --> 02:14:27,600
That's that's a DVD thing exactly. William writes that six

2410
02:14:27,720 --> 02:14:30,520
cassette box was what my local video store, which was

2411
02:14:30,560 --> 02:14:35,119
called That's re Entertainment had, and was. I was slinging coffee.

2412
02:14:35,119 --> 02:14:36,760
This is a great memory. I was slinging coffee at

2413
02:14:36,840 --> 02:14:40,079
Espresso Royale. I'd take my tip jar earnings, walk from

2414
02:14:40,119 --> 02:14:42,479
the coffee shop a block to the video store, grab

2415
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:45,640
a peeks, then walk two blocks to a Vietnamese takeout,

2416
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:48,239
then walked the last two blocks to my apartment I

2417
02:14:48,359 --> 02:14:50,439
was in my early twenties and the late nineties broke

2418
02:14:50,520 --> 02:14:54,039
as hell and it was awesome. Amen, man, you put

2419
02:14:54,119 --> 02:14:58,680
me there. What a night? What a night in incredible

2420
02:14:58,920 --> 02:15:02,000
Chris notices on World War Three nine ninety six. Under

2421
02:15:02,039 --> 02:15:04,920
commented by anyone so far was Tony Schiavanni calling heenan

2422
02:15:05,479 --> 02:15:09,520
Bob early in the zoo. Yeah, Bob, that's huge with

2423
02:15:09,680 --> 02:15:15,079
his contemptuous tone for the brain. We talked about Tony

2424
02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:19,520
Penya on an episode and Tom who knows the area

2425
02:15:19,600 --> 02:15:21,920
well and World War Three, we talked about him because

2426
02:15:22,000 --> 02:15:24,640
Tony Penya was a name that Viano three one under

2427
02:15:24,680 --> 02:15:27,119
when he was unmasked when he first came to WCW

2428
02:15:28,000 --> 02:15:30,079
and we were like, where is Tony Penya coming from?

2429
02:15:30,159 --> 02:15:31,800
Why is that ringing a bell? Tom fills it in,

2430
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:34,600
which is another great use case for the feedback show

2431
02:15:34,640 --> 02:15:37,079
and Patrio. Tony Penya was a coach for the Yankees

2432
02:15:37,079 --> 02:15:38,680
after his playing days. Was on the two thousand nine

2433
02:15:38,680 --> 02:15:41,840
World Series Championship staff. Also, I'm doing a Scar Blaye journey.

2434
02:15:41,880 --> 02:15:44,159
We listened and just finish nineteen ninety six earlier this week.

2435
02:15:44,319 --> 02:15:47,840
Always grateful for that lapsed serendipity, he writes, as as

2436
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:50,239
boss half remembered per that episode, And this was another

2437
02:15:50,319 --> 02:15:53,000
thing that we struggled to recall precisely on the World

2438
02:15:53,039 --> 02:15:55,000
War three episode because of course that's the first pay

2439
02:15:55,039 --> 02:15:57,000
per view where Bischoff comes out as a heel as

2440
02:15:57,000 --> 02:15:59,640
a member of the NYO, having turned on Piper a

2441
02:15:59,680 --> 02:16:02,199
couple weeks before, but we couldn't remember, like if they

2442
02:16:02,319 --> 02:16:04,439
just had him turn and didn't really explain what the

2443
02:16:04,520 --> 02:16:07,319
hell would lead the fucking boss of WCW to join

2444
02:16:07,359 --> 02:16:12,239
the nWo side. Per that episode, Tom writes Bischoff had

2445
02:16:12,279 --> 02:16:13,920
offered if you can't beat him, join him as his

2446
02:16:14,000 --> 02:16:16,920
reason for turning on WCW. Yeah, he basically says, because

2447
02:16:16,920 --> 02:16:20,640
we were like, so he let Kevin Nash powerbomba at

2448
02:16:20,640 --> 02:16:23,920
Great American Bash just to fool people for six months

2449
02:16:24,000 --> 02:16:27,119
before you finally revealed what his grand plan was. But

2450
02:16:27,199 --> 02:16:29,960
he goes on to say that apparently, which we have

2451
02:16:30,079 --> 02:16:32,200
talked about in the past because we covered it a

2452
02:16:32,239 --> 02:16:35,639
bit more on the nose, that he basically said after

2453
02:16:35,959 --> 02:16:38,239
that attack from the Outsider, so the Great American Bash,

2454
02:16:38,280 --> 02:16:40,920
he realized that he was just fighting an uphill battle

2455
02:16:41,079 --> 02:16:43,319
and he had to So he's saying he's basically in

2456
02:16:43,399 --> 02:16:46,559
the tank for the nWo. Shortly since, shortly after that

2457
02:16:47,159 --> 02:16:49,840
and the Grand Plan revealed itself, and it was on

2458
02:16:49,959 --> 02:16:52,520
that Nitro two or around that nitro where he was like,

2459
02:16:52,600 --> 02:16:56,120
everyone has to declare their allegiance and everyone has a

2460
02:16:56,639 --> 02:16:59,000
twenty four hours or whatever the nWo was saying, everyone

2461
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:00,760
has twenty four hours say if you're with us or

2462
02:17:00,760 --> 02:17:04,239
against us or whatever. So Chris, thank you very much

2463
02:17:04,280 --> 02:17:06,120
for bumping up your pledge. We appreciate it. Up to

2464
02:17:06,159 --> 02:17:08,760
that EP tier. That's that's a big boy move of you,

2465
02:17:08,840 --> 02:17:13,120
and we note it and we appreciate it. Adam writs,

2466
02:17:13,120 --> 02:17:17,000
considering how many TLF exchanges involve wrestlers transforming into others

2467
02:17:18,159 --> 02:17:22,719
or having their CPU meltdown mid sentence, Oh boy, it's

2468
02:17:22,719 --> 02:17:24,600
safe to say that the co chairman were lynching for

2469
02:17:24,760 --> 02:17:28,520
years before this beautiful tribute. Very true, very true. With that,

2470
02:17:28,639 --> 02:17:30,200
send me a related note, he says, I always thought

2471
02:17:30,239 --> 02:17:32,280
Chris Isaac looked like a young Randy Orton in Twin

2472
02:17:32,319 --> 02:17:35,000
Peaks fire Walk with Me, especially when he beats the

2473
02:17:35,079 --> 02:17:42,000
ship out of the Redneck Shriff. Always liked those doppelgangers

2474
02:17:42,040 --> 02:17:44,840
around here, ye. Jacob Wright started watching Twin peaks around

2475
02:17:44,879 --> 02:17:46,680
the time the Deep Dive started, and I'm loving it.

2476
02:17:46,879 --> 02:17:48,959
I'm gonna mis lapsed Lynch. I hope you all finish

2477
02:17:49,000 --> 02:17:51,000
the Laura Palmer arc in the future. I actually enjoyed

2478
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:53,040
you the first nine episodes of season two more than

2479
02:17:53,159 --> 02:17:56,239
season one. Yeah, I mean, the beginning of season two

2480
02:17:56,319 --> 02:17:59,719
is great. You agree with that? Yeah, oh yeah, Listen,

2481
02:17:59,840 --> 02:18:03,520
it all goes downhill after after the revelation and when

2482
02:18:03,559 --> 02:18:05,520
that when when the kind of when the Laura Palmer

2483
02:18:05,799 --> 02:18:09,399
Palmer storyline ends. It just I mean, and again I

2484
02:18:09,520 --> 02:18:13,719
don't hate it. It's just it's just not what it was. Yeah,

2485
02:18:15,120 --> 02:18:18,000
you know, because again, like I said when we were

2486
02:18:18,040 --> 02:18:23,159
doing it, people don't know when they're watching something like this,

2487
02:18:23,360 --> 02:18:27,639
they think they want they think they want the answer. Yes,

2488
02:18:27,959 --> 02:18:31,399
but you don't want the answer because the fun of

2489
02:18:31,520 --> 02:18:34,440
the show was in the who done it aspect of it.

2490
02:18:35,879 --> 02:18:43,319
Once you know the game's over and that it is,

2491
02:18:44,079 --> 02:18:46,879
and I think they could have, you know, the the

2492
02:18:47,719 --> 02:18:51,159
I don't. It's hard. It's very hard. I'm not saying

2493
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:53,520
I knew the answer this and obviously we're looking back

2494
02:18:53,559 --> 02:18:56,520
on it with you know, with the you know, with

2495
02:18:56,680 --> 02:19:01,840
the Monday Morning quarterback here but you know, if you

2496
02:19:03,879 --> 02:19:06,920
they if they were able to find another hook and

2497
02:19:07,079 --> 02:19:10,239
like kind of have side stories that kind of overtook

2498
02:19:11,600 --> 02:19:15,920
the Laura Palmer thing, that would have been better, you know,

2499
02:19:16,040 --> 02:19:18,000
so that the Laura Palmer thing didn't always have to

2500
02:19:18,040 --> 02:19:20,200
be in the forefront. It would just kind of sometimes

2501
02:19:20,280 --> 02:19:22,280
linger in the background. They would always be present, but

2502
02:19:22,399 --> 02:19:25,559
it might not be the focus of every episode. I

2503
02:19:25,600 --> 02:19:27,879
don't know. I just think that could have been better,

2504
02:19:27,959 --> 02:19:32,440
and they could have probably played it for three five seasons.

2505
02:19:32,479 --> 02:19:34,280
I think I've been in five seasons with it, and

2506
02:19:34,360 --> 02:19:37,879
then you reveal at the end and it's fantastic. Huh. Yeah,

2507
02:19:37,959 --> 02:19:39,200
that would have been That would have been the play.

2508
02:19:39,280 --> 02:19:42,559
And speaking of leaving something until the very very end,

2509
02:19:43,719 --> 02:19:46,319
we continue to be vindicated on the scene of heel turn.

2510
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:51,200
I said up the second we surfaced it here on

2511
02:19:51,319 --> 02:19:53,319
the show that we're going to ruin it for you.

2512
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:54,959
We're going to ruin it for you because when we

2513
02:19:55,040 --> 02:19:58,120
lay out how they should do it, yeah, everything else

2514
02:19:58,239 --> 02:20:01,360
is going to pale in comparison. And from what we're hearing,

2515
02:20:02,040 --> 02:20:05,440
it's not going so well. Yeah, as they went with

2516
02:20:05,479 --> 02:20:08,559
a different tack, but your co chairman, in anticipation of

2517
02:20:08,559 --> 02:20:11,159
WrestleMania this year, cooking up a thought as to how

2518
02:20:11,200 --> 02:20:14,079
we can put that one really under the microscope, because

2519
02:20:14,120 --> 02:20:16,719
while we really shy away from doing much in the

2520
02:20:16,799 --> 02:20:20,120
way of shows on contemporary wrestling, there are moments where

2521
02:20:20,680 --> 02:20:23,440
people turn to us and say, hey, you guys figured

2522
02:20:23,479 --> 02:20:25,799
out why everything in the past that we remember as

2523
02:20:26,639 --> 02:20:30,000
corollaries to what's happening now worked or didn't work. You

2524
02:20:30,079 --> 02:20:32,479
guys do the diagnosis. You guys do the you guys

2525
02:20:32,520 --> 02:20:35,200
put it under the tightest microscope. You guys do the autopsies.

2526
02:20:35,600 --> 02:20:37,479
What do you think? And people that listen to our

2527
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:40,719
live call and Elimination Chamber were enthralled. I was going

2528
02:20:40,760 --> 02:20:44,040
through the feedback and preparation for this, so many memories

2529
02:20:44,079 --> 02:20:47,799
flooding back from that live call, and how how hyped

2530
02:20:47,840 --> 02:20:50,719
people were that they had done something so ballsy and

2531
02:20:50,799 --> 02:20:54,319
something so third rail. And now here we are and

2532
02:20:54,799 --> 02:20:56,399
it's a reminder of why it used to be better

2533
02:20:56,520 --> 02:20:58,760
in so many ways. But we're going to take a

2534
02:20:58,760 --> 02:21:01,920
closer look soon. Jeff did right to us, Sina should

2535
02:21:01,959 --> 02:21:06,000
show up with Megan markele Wait, what was that again?

2536
02:21:06,200 --> 02:21:09,719
Sena should show up with Megan Markel, he said, doing

2537
02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:13,159
a subtle, but patronizing, holier than now Hollywood lecturing gimmick.

2538
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:15,840
That's the best way Markle has of drawing viewers these days.

2539
02:21:15,879 --> 02:21:17,920
Would also help her public persona by pretending that she's

2540
02:21:17,959 --> 02:21:21,079
actually got some self awareness. She would be a wonderful

2541
02:21:22,200 --> 02:21:25,959
pro wrestling valet. Yeah, I can see that. I can

2542
02:21:26,040 --> 02:21:30,680
see it right now. It's better than Travis Scott, who

2543
02:21:30,719 --> 02:21:33,360
we haven't heard a single thing from after being part

2544
02:21:33,399 --> 02:21:37,959
of that supposedly iconic tableau in Toronto. You know, like

2545
02:21:38,040 --> 02:21:39,920
he was going to be some inexplicable part of the thing.

2546
02:21:40,120 --> 02:21:42,639
He'll probably be at maniacause I think he's performing. They

2547
02:21:42,680 --> 02:21:45,399
announced that months and months before he participated in the

2548
02:21:45,520 --> 02:21:48,639
in the Angle. But my god, I haven't seen Dwayne

2549
02:21:48,760 --> 02:21:52,760
since come on Fox. I mean it's just a you know,

2550
02:21:53,200 --> 02:21:55,239
I'm going through this feedback and everyone's like, oh, and

2551
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:57,520
then Dwayne can have got you know, corrupted him or

2552
02:21:57,639 --> 02:22:00,120
brainwashed him or they've been working at all long and

2553
02:22:00,159 --> 02:22:02,959
now everything Dwayne's been saying and doing makes sense. Haven't

2554
02:22:03,079 --> 02:22:05,399
heard a fucking peep, my god, since it went down,

2555
02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:11,399
not a peep. Unbelievable, And yeah, why, I don't know.

2556
02:22:11,520 --> 02:22:12,760
I don't think we'll ever get with him, and you

2557
02:22:12,840 --> 02:22:15,280
never get the answer, right because he comes up with

2558
02:22:15,399 --> 02:22:18,799
this like, you know, this shiny version of the story

2559
02:22:18,879 --> 02:22:21,399
that everyone parrots, you know, and I mean he's he

2560
02:22:21,719 --> 02:22:23,920
kind of you know, and he kind of reminds me

2561
02:22:24,040 --> 02:22:28,840
of of of Danny DeVito in and Get Shorty. You know,

2562
02:22:29,079 --> 02:22:31,000
he comes in and so it's like, you know, there,

2563
02:22:31,000 --> 02:22:33,559
there's they set up this. There's a scene in the

2564
02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:38,040
movie where they set up this uh this lunch at

2565
02:22:38,200 --> 02:22:41,399
or breakfast or whatever at the ivy in of course,

2566
02:22:41,760 --> 02:22:46,520
of course, right and so you know, but they're at

2567
02:22:46,600 --> 02:22:49,959
in there this meal and Danny DeVito comes in and

2568
02:22:50,079 --> 02:22:53,159
he's this big movie star actor and whatever, and he

2569
02:22:53,440 --> 02:22:58,079
kind of orders the food for everybody, even though they

2570
02:22:58,079 --> 02:23:01,360
don't want it. He orders a bunch of food for everybody,

2571
02:23:01,520 --> 02:23:04,200
even though and it's like like everyone's like, no, I don't,

2572
02:23:04,200 --> 02:23:06,280
I don't want that, but he orders it anyway, and

2573
02:23:06,360 --> 02:23:08,680
then he has like two bites and he leaves and

2574
02:23:08,719 --> 02:23:13,559
they're stuck with everything else they didn't want. That's the rock.

2575
02:23:13,760 --> 02:23:18,559
Love it. That's awesome. The rock is Martin Weir. For

2576
02:23:18,639 --> 02:23:22,399
those who know Get Shorty, Wow, Get Cool or I

2577
02:23:22,399 --> 02:23:25,319
guess it would be get shortens. Get be cool, be cool, No,

2578
02:23:25,440 --> 02:23:31,639
be cool as a sequel to get shortens. Ha Uh,

2579
02:23:32,200 --> 02:23:34,399
nobody's nobody. Want to thank you for the pledge. You're

2580
02:23:34,440 --> 02:23:37,040
somebody somebody to us pal brother, Thanks for the cake.

2581
02:23:37,200 --> 02:23:39,479
I really appreciate it. Jeff also writes plus one for

2582
02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:43,000
the use of the phrase greasy carneyes, with no disrespect

2583
02:23:43,040 --> 02:23:45,360
intended for proper old school carneies. There is a difference

2584
02:23:45,559 --> 02:23:48,239
circus carneyes. He writes, work together to work the marks.

2585
02:23:48,440 --> 02:23:51,680
Wrestling carnies work each other to avoid having to work

2586
02:23:51,760 --> 02:23:57,559
the marks. Yes, I like that quite a bit. We

2587
02:23:57,680 --> 02:23:59,799
want to. I want to thank Josh for sending us

2588
02:23:59,799 --> 02:24:04,440
pictures of Randy Savage as cabbage. I think that Randy Cabbage.

2589
02:24:08,079 --> 02:24:11,959
You got me. I can't believe that I didn't get that.

2590
02:24:13,319 --> 02:24:16,120
Did we did? We have a hole dissertation on that

2591
02:24:16,239 --> 02:24:18,600
at some point. I don't know. I don't. I don't

2592
02:24:18,600 --> 02:24:22,440
remember him as cabbage, you know, I saw. I will

2593
02:24:22,479 --> 02:24:25,280
say that is one solid use for AI image generation

2594
02:24:25,440 --> 02:24:27,440
is when someone says something that absurd and you can

2595
02:24:27,920 --> 02:24:34,639
produce a picture like I just sent to you. It's

2596
02:24:34,680 --> 02:24:37,559
the it's the it's the mouth. Yeah, he looks like

2597
02:24:37,639 --> 02:24:40,440
he's struggling. It's always what you don't expect. It's always

2598
02:24:40,479 --> 02:24:42,600
the it's always a feature you don't think. We'll tell

2599
02:24:42,680 --> 02:24:48,639
the story that m is the thrust of the Homeandy cabbage. Yeah,

2600
02:24:49,360 --> 02:24:53,200
that's about Eric turning here, eating it, getting it boiled,

2601
02:24:53,479 --> 02:24:56,319
working further that boiled. Didn't know what I mean?

2602
02:24:57,079 --> 02:25:05,600
Speaker 4: Ohad cabbage in the the corn beef, working it up,

2603
02:25:05,680 --> 02:25:08,680
working it inside out. If you know what I'm talking about,

2604
02:25:09,639 --> 02:25:18,159
Randy cabbage, delicious. Steve, our friend in Ireland, says, listening

2605
02:25:18,200 --> 02:25:20,200
to Boss describe an Irish breakfast sandwich and have to

2606
02:25:20,239 --> 02:25:22,559
wonder do Americans think the Irish eat corn beef?

2607
02:25:22,959 --> 02:25:24,879
Speaker 2: We do, Yes, we do. Think that's it. That's all

2608
02:25:24,920 --> 02:25:28,479
you eat. You mean you eat corn, beef, cabbage and potatoes.

2609
02:25:28,520 --> 02:25:30,600
That's all you eat. He says. If the co Chairs

2610
02:25:30,639 --> 02:25:32,840
ever travel to Dublin, they will have to be treated

2611
02:25:32,879 --> 02:25:35,639
to a real full Irish breakfast at the pub. Please,

2612
02:25:36,159 --> 02:25:39,159
I don't want. I hate corn beef and cabbage like

2613
02:25:39,280 --> 02:25:45,600
the fucking I can't stand it. I despise now. I

2614
02:25:45,760 --> 02:25:49,639
despise a boiled dinner. I despise it, despise it. I

2615
02:25:49,719 --> 02:25:53,079
remember I was I was in high school and the

2616
02:25:53,159 --> 02:25:56,319
girl I was dating, like I went over to her

2617
02:25:56,399 --> 02:25:59,840
parents' house for the first time and met them for

2618
02:25:59,879 --> 02:26:06,799
the first time, and they make her mom makes a

2619
02:26:06,840 --> 02:26:11,639
boiled dinner and I was like, what the fuck? And

2620
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:17,959
it's just the most blandest, tasteless. It's like, what, why bother?

2621
02:26:19,360 --> 02:26:24,000
Why bother? It just ruins the flavor of everything. Can't

2622
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:27,639
stand it, hate it, hate it so much? Water still present,

2623
02:26:28,120 --> 02:26:29,760
I know, right, And it's just like, you know, it's

2624
02:26:29,799 --> 02:26:33,639
like you've basically like cleaned out all of the fucking

2625
02:26:33,760 --> 02:26:37,000
you took it. You cleaned it right exactly. You cleaned

2626
02:26:37,040 --> 02:26:39,680
off the flavor is what you did? You know? Like,

2627
02:26:40,280 --> 02:26:41,879
I mean we had like it was. It was boiled

2628
02:26:41,920 --> 02:26:45,000
hamd boiled potatoes and fucking oh, it's just vile. Like

2629
02:26:46,600 --> 02:26:49,959
just shoot me, that's awesome. I quite like it. But

2630
02:26:50,799 --> 02:26:53,799
and Nesten, I'm listen. Hey, it's it's popular. You know

2631
02:26:53,879 --> 02:26:55,479
you should. You should go to my parents' house every

2632
02:26:55,520 --> 02:26:58,520
fucking yes, I want it so bad, go ahead, get it.

2633
02:26:58,600 --> 02:27:01,559
Yeh see he gets see. I like the actmath because

2634
02:27:01,559 --> 02:27:03,639
I make corn beef fash out of the Oh yeah,

2635
02:27:04,040 --> 02:27:06,920
you like that though, interesting. I love cornbi fash and

2636
02:27:07,000 --> 02:27:09,399
I like corn beef. I don't like the boiled fucking dinner.

2637
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:13,399
I see, like it's that whole thing that just like corny,

2638
02:27:13,479 --> 02:27:15,920
the cabbage and potatoes and all that other shit. It's like,

2639
02:27:17,079 --> 02:27:21,760
I just have no It's like it sucks. Man, Steve says,

2640
02:27:21,840 --> 02:27:24,079
Get the jumbo breakfast, roll a full Irish and a

2641
02:27:24,120 --> 02:27:27,479
French breadbag. Add a Dublin specialty. Count me done, done,

2642
02:27:27,639 --> 02:27:30,200
Count me in. It's done. I'm there. You don't have

2643
02:27:30,360 --> 02:27:33,559
to fucking convince me. Stop arguing with me, exactly. I

2644
02:27:33,680 --> 02:27:36,840
know I'm one step ahead of you actually in terms

2645
02:27:36,879 --> 02:27:39,799
of things. But he writes on Eric Bischoff's He'll Turn,

2646
02:27:39,959 --> 02:27:42,000
I think the major difference between Heal Vince and Heal

2647
02:27:42,120 --> 02:27:44,520
Eric is that Heal Eric never went anywhere. He'll Vince

2648
02:27:44,600 --> 02:27:47,600
went from hating his world champion to becoming obsessed with

2649
02:27:47,760 --> 02:27:51,079
seeing him destroyed. That's true, Heal Eric, just like I'm

2650
02:27:51,120 --> 02:27:54,280
wearing jeans now, and that's the extent of my character. Well,

2651
02:27:54,360 --> 02:28:00,639
and I think too much like much like the whole

2652
02:28:00,719 --> 02:28:06,000
Cogan thing, there's a lot of real life circumstances that

2653
02:28:06,239 --> 02:28:12,559
makes Vince McMahon a better heel Because you're also talking

2654
02:28:12,600 --> 02:28:15,319
about you know what was one of the great things

2655
02:28:15,559 --> 02:28:22,000
about about the early days of the Austin mcmahonson right

2656
02:28:22,040 --> 02:28:26,079
after WrestleMania was the whole thing about him trying to

2657
02:28:26,120 --> 02:28:29,719
make Steve Austin to the corporate champion. Yeah, right, because

2658
02:28:30,200 --> 02:28:33,799
that I don't know about you, but for me, it

2659
02:28:33,959 --> 02:28:37,079
made me think of Kevin Nash. It made me think

2660
02:28:37,120 --> 02:28:41,079
of the whole Kevin Nash thing. They watered him down,

2661
02:28:41,239 --> 02:28:43,959
like like, you know, you look at him and and

2662
02:28:44,840 --> 02:28:48,520
Nash was great beforehand because he was a badass. Then

2663
02:28:49,360 --> 02:28:51,760
he becomes champion and becomes the top babyface, and he

2664
02:28:51,840 --> 02:28:56,000
becomes a piece of shit, and he becomes just a goof.

2665
02:28:56,280 --> 02:28:58,360
And those last months before he left the company, he

2666
02:28:58,639 --> 02:29:01,399
circles back around and gets in fastive about that, Like

2667
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:05,959
that went through my mind when that was happening. I

2668
02:29:06,040 --> 02:29:09,799
remember being horrified and so nervous, yes about that, even

2669
02:29:09,840 --> 02:29:12,840
though it's like it's so it's amazing how they were

2670
02:29:12,959 --> 02:29:16,959
able to get you. Yeah, you know, because I sat

2671
02:29:17,040 --> 02:29:19,200
there like horrified that they were actually going to do

2672
02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:23,159
this to Steve Austin. Right, there was no way in

2673
02:29:23,200 --> 02:29:24,760
hell they were gonna actually do that to Steve Austin.

2674
02:29:24,799 --> 02:29:26,479
The whole point was that he was a fucking badass.

2675
02:29:26,559 --> 02:29:30,159
Absolutely well, no, they went with it. They went all

2676
02:29:30,200 --> 02:29:32,360
the way because, unlike with Diesel, Vince was willing to

2677
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:36,440
be the heel. It wasn't just Diesel voicing frustration, which

2678
02:29:36,440 --> 02:29:38,319
I'm sure somewhere Vince's head would make him the heel

2679
02:29:38,719 --> 02:29:42,120
to be so disenchanted with the circumstances that, you know,

2680
02:29:42,200 --> 02:29:44,600
to Vince, anyone who's ever complained about their working conditions

2681
02:29:44,719 --> 02:29:47,440
was a heel in his head. You know, so someone

2682
02:29:47,479 --> 02:29:50,120
complaining about their working conditions and wrestling is going to

2683
02:29:50,120 --> 02:29:52,719
be healed to the fans as well. It's no telling

2684
02:29:52,760 --> 02:29:54,360
where the Kevin Nash character would have gone had he

2685
02:29:54,440 --> 02:29:56,440
not jumped to WCW N ninety six. But that's where

2686
02:29:56,440 --> 02:29:58,959
it was headed a little for a little while there,

2687
02:29:59,440 --> 02:30:01,520
And you know, acknowledging Vince's the owner of the first

2688
02:30:01,559 --> 02:30:04,200
character to really acknowledge Vince's the owner was Kevin Nash.

2689
02:30:04,799 --> 02:30:06,399
You make a good point. Did Kevin Nash walk so

2690
02:30:06,440 --> 02:30:09,000
stone Cold could run? Yeah? I mean I would say

2691
02:30:09,040 --> 02:30:12,360
in many ways. In many ways, yeah, Bischoff just like

2692
02:30:12,440 --> 02:30:14,399
did his smile and hung with Hogan and then feuded

2693
02:30:14,440 --> 02:30:17,840
with Larry. But it's true, he didn't he didn't have

2694
02:30:17,879 --> 02:30:20,719
a goal in mind, and and so. But but you know,

2695
02:30:21,000 --> 02:30:23,959
but again there's also just the history because I think

2696
02:30:24,079 --> 02:30:27,159
people people were frustrated with Vin sick Mann as they

2697
02:30:27,159 --> 02:30:29,159
were with hul Kogan. Yeah, they weren't frustrated with Eric.

2698
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:32,360
They didn't really have any There's no right. Eric wasn't

2699
02:30:32,520 --> 02:30:35,600
that guy. Eric wasn't presented as being as much of

2700
02:30:35,680 --> 02:30:39,479
a presence in the past. I mean, Vince snick manhn

2701
02:30:39,479 --> 02:30:43,760
did that fucking awful dance. You'll stand back, go right,

2702
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:47,440
you know, like this is stuff that sticks in the

2703
02:30:47,520 --> 02:30:51,040
minds of fans because there's there's a long there's a

2704
02:30:51,200 --> 02:30:54,680
long time that the steroid trial. There's a long love

2705
02:30:54,760 --> 02:30:57,760
hate relationship with the fans in Vin sick Man that

2706
02:30:58,000 --> 02:31:01,760
is present, and that's what made him a more effective

2707
02:31:01,840 --> 02:31:04,639
heel because I think about two not only Kevin Nash.

2708
02:31:05,639 --> 02:31:08,159
He had fucking you know, obviously the Brett thing. He

2709
02:31:08,319 --> 02:31:10,079
had a fucking hockey fight with Brett in the summer

2710
02:31:10,159 --> 02:31:12,879
ninety seven. Remember that, that's right, pulled a fucking hockey

2711
02:31:12,959 --> 02:31:16,360
jersey over his head, right, Yeah, good point. Yeah, these

2712
02:31:16,399 --> 02:31:18,000
were all things Bischoff and never even came close to

2713
02:31:18,040 --> 02:31:19,920
doing before he turned the heel. He was just an announcer,

2714
02:31:20,639 --> 02:31:23,639
you know, Colin Nitro calling out Vince and being afraid

2715
02:31:23,639 --> 02:31:25,440
of the nWo like everybody else for a little while.

2716
02:31:25,479 --> 02:31:27,959
But he never he never did an angle before that.

2717
02:31:28,120 --> 02:31:31,399
He never, you know, other wrestlers didn't really call him

2718
02:31:31,440 --> 02:31:33,799
out before that. And right in the same way, even

2719
02:31:33,799 --> 02:31:36,639
the even the Brian Pillman and I respect you Bookerman

2720
02:31:36,760 --> 02:31:38,799
thing you know, that was that was corrected to Kevin

2721
02:31:38,799 --> 02:31:41,200
Sullivan is the boss of WCW. Even when they did

2722
02:31:41,280 --> 02:31:43,559
shoot style angles. There wasn't even Bischoff that they were

2723
02:31:43,959 --> 02:31:46,799
necessarily calling out in WCW. They were calling him out

2724
02:31:46,799 --> 02:31:49,239
on ECW TV, but that's neither here or there. Ludy

2725
02:31:49,280 --> 02:31:52,399
Seve Austin putting a jet black wig on and pretending

2726
02:31:52,399 --> 02:31:54,280
to be Eric Bischoff one time in he CW. That

2727
02:31:54,399 --> 02:31:57,159
was something the big Buluski want to thank you very

2728
02:31:57,239 --> 02:32:01,040
much for a big ball donation and pledge on Patreon.

2729
02:32:01,079 --> 02:32:03,399
We appreciate it. My friend Brett writes boy with a

2730
02:32:03,520 --> 02:32:06,319
in for an insomnia curing surprise with that Scena promo,

2731
02:32:06,920 --> 02:32:09,520
he literally did the complete opposite of everything they predicted.

2732
02:32:09,639 --> 02:32:13,319
Can't wait to get more into that. Mm william makes

2733
02:32:13,360 --> 02:32:15,159
a great point on World War three ninety six, where

2734
02:32:15,200 --> 02:32:17,799
Dusty Roads was on commentary, the word salad coming out

2735
02:32:17,840 --> 02:32:20,399
of Dusty is only matched by the potato salad going in.

2736
02:32:24,360 --> 02:32:26,920
Steve writes, Hello, co Chairs, while listening to World War

2737
02:32:26,959 --> 02:32:29,360
three ninety six episode in your opinions, When NBO started

2738
02:32:29,399 --> 02:32:31,040
to pick and become an albatross, I would like you

2739
02:32:31,079 --> 02:32:34,479
to consider their biggest problem was Hulk Hogan. When I

2740
02:32:34,600 --> 02:32:36,799
rewatched the nWo nitros on the network, I could not

2741
02:32:36,879 --> 02:32:38,680
get over how much of a hangover on Hogan. A

2742
02:32:38,760 --> 02:32:41,479
hangar on rather Hogan seems to be to the much

2743
02:32:41,520 --> 02:32:44,239
cooler Hall of Nash. Hogan, instead of coming off as

2744
02:32:44,280 --> 02:32:46,479
the leader of a takeover, comes across as a father

2745
02:32:46,600 --> 02:32:49,040
having a midlife crisis, resorting to buying the high school

2746
02:32:49,079 --> 02:32:51,440
senior's beer so he can go to their parties and

2747
02:32:51,520 --> 02:32:54,440
chat up eighteen year olds. Yeah but I don't mind that. Actually, Wow,

2748
02:32:54,600 --> 02:32:57,120
that works for me. That doesn't bother me, because that's

2749
02:32:57,159 --> 02:32:59,399
kind of what he was. Yeah, that's kind of what

2750
02:32:59,479 --> 02:33:02,639
he was, and it's it's true. And and the thing is,

2751
02:33:03,680 --> 02:33:07,000
the nWo is not supposed to be cool. Yeah, you

2752
02:33:07,079 --> 02:33:11,520
forget that it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be

2753
02:33:11,799 --> 02:33:14,600
an enemy. It's supposed to be something that hate that

2754
02:33:14,719 --> 02:33:17,000
you hate. If they just let Scott Hall go out

2755
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:19,280
there and act like nothing, that he didn't care about

2756
02:33:19,280 --> 02:33:21,440
anything and be sarcastic forever, it would have died in

2757
02:33:21,520 --> 02:33:26,159
six months. Rights not that the idea is that you

2758
02:33:26,360 --> 02:33:29,479
hate hul Cogan and I'll never forget, like even rewatching

2759
02:33:29,479 --> 02:33:31,840
because you know, you get in your mind of the nWo.

2760
02:33:32,000 --> 02:33:35,879
Like everyone was cheering the nWo, and yes they were cool.

2761
02:33:36,040 --> 02:33:38,639
They were cheering the kind of cool as there were

2762
02:33:38,719 --> 02:33:42,799
cities that cho and listen, they're chanting, they're cheering for

2763
02:33:42,959 --> 02:33:45,360
Nash and they're cheering for Hall. But I'll tell you

2764
02:33:46,760 --> 02:33:52,399
what what whatever, especially in ninety six, Hogan would have

2765
02:33:52,639 --> 02:33:56,040
the main event interview situation whenever he was on Nitro.

2766
02:33:56,239 --> 02:33:59,520
That was kind of the thing. And he got boot

2767
02:33:59,559 --> 02:34:01,559
out of the There was no popularity there, there was

2768
02:34:01,600 --> 02:34:04,559
no people weren't cheering and they were booing the shit

2769
02:34:04,600 --> 02:34:06,639
out of it. And the reason the nWo angle worked

2770
02:34:06,719 --> 02:34:10,000
like it did wasn't just because Hall and Nash were cool.

2771
02:34:10,360 --> 02:34:13,799
It was because people wanted to see WCW come back.

2772
02:34:14,040 --> 02:34:17,040
And if all it was was Kevin National Scott All

2773
02:34:17,120 --> 02:34:19,200
acting like they're in a Tupac video. It wasn't gonna

2774
02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:22,559
work right again. See this is this is exactly it too.

2775
02:34:22,719 --> 02:34:26,799
Like I don't know if people realize, much like Twin Peaks,

2776
02:34:27,600 --> 02:34:31,360
you don't you you don't want what you think you

2777
02:34:31,479 --> 02:34:35,040
want right. You don't realize it at the time, but

2778
02:34:35,399 --> 02:34:40,120
you actually want w CW to win. You want them

2779
02:34:40,159 --> 02:34:43,760
to win. You don't, but you're you're kind of blinded

2780
02:34:43,840 --> 02:34:50,040
by the the the kind of shiny thing ingenuity of

2781
02:34:50,200 --> 02:34:52,879
this new thing, but never you know, it's like a

2782
02:34:53,000 --> 02:34:56,840
brand new, shiny thing you've never even thought you'd see.

2783
02:34:57,000 --> 02:34:58,479
The proof is in the pudding. When they turned the

2784
02:34:58,639 --> 02:35:01,440
entire show over to them, the ratings tanked, the pay

2785
02:35:01,440 --> 02:35:03,680
per view devoted to WO sucked, and no one bought

2786
02:35:03,719 --> 02:35:06,200
it relatively speaking to other shows. Yep, they kept it

2787
02:35:06,280 --> 02:35:08,600
going on for like four years. Yeah, It's just there

2788
02:35:08,680 --> 02:35:11,120
was never a proof point where they leaned into that

2789
02:35:11,200 --> 02:35:13,920
direction where people said, yes, finally this is the nWo

2790
02:35:13,959 --> 02:35:15,719
show and not WCW. That's what I've been waiting for.

2791
02:35:15,920 --> 02:35:18,280
No one wanted that, even if they told themselves they

2792
02:35:18,319 --> 02:35:20,319
wanted it. When they did it. No one cared and

2793
02:35:20,520 --> 02:35:22,479
it was actually a deterrent. It was a turn off.

2794
02:35:23,680 --> 02:35:27,559
That's a wonderful point. So Hogan, instead of coming off

2795
02:35:27,559 --> 02:35:29,319
as the leader he writes of takeover comes across to

2796
02:35:29,360 --> 02:35:31,440
the father mid life crisis. Yep. Most of the perception

2797
02:35:31,520 --> 02:35:33,360
the nWo is cool comes off from Hall in Nashville.

2798
02:35:33,360 --> 02:35:36,520
Hogan segment just come off as verbal masturbation. Well, no,

2799
02:35:36,639 --> 02:35:39,719
it's Sting. It's it's about him being the giant that

2800
02:35:39,799 --> 02:35:41,719
Sting is going to slagh. You know, do you think

2801
02:35:41,840 --> 02:35:44,559
Sting doing the whole thing he did brooding in the

2802
02:35:44,760 --> 02:35:47,680
balcony would have worked if he was coming after Kevin

2803
02:35:47,719 --> 02:35:50,319
Nash the whole time. No, that's not as big a

2804
02:35:50,440 --> 02:35:53,879
match at the end. Big. They'd also played out the

2805
02:35:53,959 --> 02:35:56,600
idea that he and Hogan were friends, right, you know,

2806
02:35:56,879 --> 02:36:02,040
I mean, I I you gotta to me. The idea

2807
02:36:02,120 --> 02:36:06,559
is you've always got to remember you know again, nWo

2808
02:36:06,680 --> 02:36:08,479
was supposed to be a heel faction, right, That's what

2809
02:36:08,639 --> 02:36:12,840
it was. We forget that. I forget it, you know,

2810
02:36:13,559 --> 02:36:16,840
I mean, you know I again I bring up that

2811
02:36:16,920 --> 02:36:20,159
Hogan the Hogan may have been interviews on Nitro as

2812
02:36:20,319 --> 02:36:22,559
like because I'd like why aren't they cheering hok Hogan

2813
02:36:22,600 --> 02:36:24,920
As I'm rewatching this, I'm like right, I thought they

2814
02:36:24,959 --> 02:36:27,159
fucking loved him after this, and like, no, they don't

2815
02:36:27,200 --> 02:36:28,719
love him. They still think of it as a heel

2816
02:36:29,159 --> 02:36:33,040
But Kevin Nash and Scott Hall brought something different. They

2817
02:36:33,120 --> 02:36:38,000
brought that kind of edgy anti hero popularity. Hogan was

2818
02:36:38,040 --> 02:36:41,319
a plain old chicken shit heel See writes this all

2819
02:36:41,360 --> 02:36:43,639
could have been avoided if the third man was Sting.

2820
02:36:44,159 --> 02:36:46,280
I don't know. Sting would have been the perfect enemy,

2821
02:36:46,319 --> 02:36:49,040
he writes, with it within to lead an nWo takeover.

2822
02:36:49,159 --> 02:36:51,440
Sting had stayed loyal at WCW, even when he was

2823
02:36:51,479 --> 02:36:53,639
downgraded from top star when Hogan came in, and once

2824
02:36:53,719 --> 02:36:55,920
more when Savage came along. He was not even at

2825
02:36:56,000 --> 02:36:58,200
friend of the top star level. For part of ninety six,

2826
02:36:58,239 --> 02:37:00,440
he was even feuding over the TV belt he had

2827
02:37:00,440 --> 02:37:02,840
graduated from in eighty nine. Sting was a victim of

2828
02:37:02,959 --> 02:37:06,760
ww politics, perhaps invited two former ww wrestlers, Holl and Nash,

2829
02:37:06,799 --> 02:37:08,600
who went to shut to start him in WWF after

2830
02:37:08,639 --> 02:37:11,600
finding nothing but barriers and ceilings in their way in WCW,

2831
02:37:11,799 --> 02:37:13,399
to come in with the knowledge of how to destroy

2832
02:37:13,440 --> 02:37:15,959
a system that had wrung them all, now having Hogan

2833
02:37:16,120 --> 02:37:18,159
be decimated to dash at the beach and take time

2834
02:37:18,239 --> 02:37:20,479
off to let the fans suffer from absence, making the

2835
02:37:20,520 --> 02:37:23,319
heart grow fonder before coming back as the Avenging Angel

2836
02:37:23,440 --> 02:37:26,559
leading an army against an nWo trio. I don't I

2837
02:37:26,600 --> 02:37:29,600
don't think so. Yeah, I don't think you're underestimating how

2838
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:32,719
much of why Sting was so electric was because he

2839
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:35,719
was mister w CW before he went prow And not

2840
02:37:35,840 --> 02:37:40,280
only that, what made Hogan, what made the heel turn

2841
02:37:40,520 --> 02:37:47,680
so money and so important and so right at the time,

2842
02:37:48,559 --> 02:37:52,079
was because the fans were booing Hulk Hogan's act already anyway.

2843
02:37:52,520 --> 02:37:56,879
That's what made it works. Imp clamoring crost the legacy.

2844
02:37:56,959 --> 02:37:58,840
No one ever clamored for Sting to become a heel,

2845
02:37:59,120 --> 02:38:02,840
like that's the thing Sting. Sting is for some reason.

2846
02:38:03,399 --> 02:38:05,959
You know, there are there are these people perennial baby

2847
02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:10,040
for some fucking reason can be perennial babyfaces. Nobody in

2848
02:38:10,159 --> 02:38:13,440
their right mind is ever gonna Boosting. I don't get

2849
02:38:13,479 --> 02:38:17,120
it sometimes I don't get joke or TNA. Sting was

2850
02:38:17,799 --> 02:38:21,639
cheered over Hogan, eve Ye and Ricky Steamboat the same

2851
02:38:21,680 --> 02:38:24,200
fucking thing. You could never make Ricky steamboat a fucking heel.

2852
02:38:25,399 --> 02:38:27,799
It's just no one wants to bow them. And so

2853
02:38:28,200 --> 02:38:31,200
that's the thing. If people had been tired of stings

2854
02:38:32,040 --> 02:38:35,399
surfer gimmick and they were like, I'm ready to fucking

2855
02:38:35,559 --> 02:38:37,600
but they loved him. They loved him. I mean, you know,

2856
02:38:37,680 --> 02:38:40,479
we worked hard and stuff and he was exciting, you know,

2857
02:38:40,600 --> 02:38:42,959
So you had that and just a ship promo. But

2858
02:38:44,079 --> 02:38:48,120
that's that's the difference. And I and listen, I'm not

2859
02:38:48,280 --> 02:38:52,280
saying that a sting leed nWo wouldn't be interesting. I

2860
02:38:52,559 --> 02:38:55,200
just it would not have made the money that Yeah,

2861
02:38:55,879 --> 02:38:58,799
no fucking way. Just it would be awkward for Hogan

2862
02:38:58,840 --> 02:39:01,120
to fly the flag because Sting was the one agreed.

2863
02:39:01,319 --> 02:39:03,719
Sting was the one embodying WCW when Hogan was the

2864
02:39:03,760 --> 02:39:07,280
top guys business across the pond in WWI. But yeah,

2865
02:39:07,280 --> 02:39:09,399
we appreciate it. Stuvee, that's some thought provoking stuff. No

2866
02:39:09,479 --> 02:39:12,040
pointless members, we can agree with that. No one ever,

2867
02:39:12,239 --> 02:39:15,239
oh defends adding pointless members of the nWo. Yeah, sure,

2868
02:39:15,239 --> 02:39:19,639
I agree. You don't need fucking Mike Rotundo and fucking nWo.

2869
02:39:20,040 --> 02:39:24,159
Oh that's ridiculous. Come and to appreciate Corey more and more.

2870
02:39:24,239 --> 02:39:26,799
He's our homie in Winnipeg who is a fan of

2871
02:39:26,879 --> 02:39:29,600
a deeper vintage than ours. And whenever we've got questions

2872
02:39:29,600 --> 02:39:32,040
about early to mid eighties, which can be a foggy

2873
02:39:32,120 --> 02:39:33,840
time period for US man as you fill it in,

2874
02:39:35,040 --> 02:39:37,040
it's not often, he says, but I have to disagree

2875
02:39:37,079 --> 02:39:38,680
with our co chairs. This is when we were talking

2876
02:39:38,719 --> 02:39:41,479
about how Piper's ninety six WCW run was like some

2877
02:39:41,600 --> 02:39:44,200
of his best stuff. Oh yeah, he says, eighty four

2878
02:39:44,239 --> 02:39:46,799
eighty six Pipers by far his best run. I love

2879
02:39:46,840 --> 02:39:49,000
the Heevers heel tag matches they ran in eighty five

2880
02:39:49,040 --> 02:39:51,120
eighty six as well. Shek and Volkoff also wrestle the

2881
02:39:51,159 --> 02:39:52,840
Heart Foundation and the Funks around that time. This is

2882
02:39:52,879 --> 02:39:55,239
of course a comment on our Colsseum home video thing

2883
02:39:55,719 --> 02:39:58,680
as well. The Killer Bees wrestled the US Express by

2884
02:39:58,760 --> 02:40:01,479
Vibertuendo American Express for as well. Beef Kick and Valentine

2885
02:40:01,680 --> 02:40:03,799
talk about the cheek Volkov match and shoot interviews and

2886
02:40:03,879 --> 02:40:07,920
how over they were. And so he's he's with a

2887
02:40:08,000 --> 02:40:11,120
eighty four eighty six Piper, which you know, God, I mean,

2888
02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:13,520
that's that's where his bones are made. That's his real question,

2889
02:40:13,760 --> 02:40:16,399
no question, I just to me, I don't. I mean,

2890
02:40:16,479 --> 02:40:20,520
I think we both agree on this. It's the nonsensical

2891
02:40:20,680 --> 02:40:22,840
promos that just kind of bother me, like they just

2892
02:40:23,040 --> 02:40:24,639
keep going on and on, which I know that's kind

2893
02:40:24,680 --> 02:40:28,920
of his thing. Coked out. Yeah, Like it's just like

2894
02:40:29,159 --> 02:40:32,760
it's it's it's a little much for me personally. Yeah,

2895
02:40:32,879 --> 02:40:34,719
it's not. It's always a home run. Back then, it's

2896
02:40:34,879 --> 02:40:37,040
it's one thing to watch the lou Albano smash the

2897
02:40:37,120 --> 02:40:41,239
record Angle and the fucking Jimmy Snooker Piper's Pit and

2898
02:40:41,239 --> 02:40:43,440
the Dave Wolf Cindy Lapper Piper's Pit. But there's a

2899
02:40:43,440 --> 02:40:44,760
lot of stuff in there that was kind of just

2900
02:40:44,879 --> 02:40:47,520
like meandering to your point, a lot of like local

2901
02:40:47,600 --> 02:40:49,559
market promos. You watch him do back then, you're just like,

2902
02:40:49,600 --> 02:40:51,000
what the fuck did he just say? Like he just

2903
02:40:51,360 --> 02:40:54,159
he just made all kinds of gestures and squeaky noises

2904
02:40:54,239 --> 02:40:57,319
and stuff. But I feel like that by the mid

2905
02:40:57,440 --> 02:41:00,239
nineties and the w Stubby Bear in particular, he he

2906
02:41:00,360 --> 02:41:02,559
went to that ring not only knowing what he wanted

2907
02:41:02,600 --> 02:41:04,159
to say, but how to say it in a way

2908
02:41:04,200 --> 02:41:07,280
that was like coogin but didn't lose that element of

2909
02:41:07,319 --> 02:41:10,280
Pip Piper imprectability, but you still gut the message across.

2910
02:41:10,319 --> 02:41:11,520
I don't know, I just felt like he was a more.

2911
02:41:12,360 --> 02:41:15,680
He was a more, He's a deeper character there. Corey

2912
02:41:15,719 --> 02:41:17,680
also writes, you guys talked about Hogan's debut of the

2913
02:41:17,719 --> 02:41:19,879
Real American theme song a few shows ago. Yes we did.

2914
02:41:20,079 --> 02:41:22,120
I'men discussing the wrestling album as part of the Slamy

2915
02:41:22,159 --> 02:41:25,360
Award show that December thirtieth match, which, as you recall,

2916
02:41:25,440 --> 02:41:27,840
Boss we ascertained that the first time Hulk Hogan came

2917
02:41:27,879 --> 02:41:30,559
to the ring to Real American was December thirty, nineteen

2918
02:41:30,600 --> 02:41:34,200
eighty five at Madison Square Garden against Macho Man Y

2919
02:41:34,799 --> 02:41:37,239
was vers Savage MSG. Hogan loses by count. Now, yes,

2920
02:41:37,319 --> 02:41:40,200
that's right, Hogan loses the first time he ever uses

2921
02:41:40,319 --> 02:41:44,239
Real American. That's something I always appreciate that. Yes, so

2922
02:41:44,319 --> 02:41:47,719
Bez is among the others to point out that Bischoff

2923
02:41:48,000 --> 02:41:50,200
explained that after Nash power bomb him, he had an

2924
02:41:50,200 --> 02:41:52,280
epiphany and decided to become part of the nWo rather

2925
02:41:52,319 --> 02:41:54,760
than getting destroyed by them. This was the same segment,

2926
02:41:54,799 --> 02:41:57,200
he writes where he gave all WCW wrestlers an Ultimadium

2927
02:41:57,760 --> 02:42:02,120
in November twenty fifth, nineteen nineties. Nitro yes, very much so.

2928
02:42:02,280 --> 02:42:04,440
He also says that he likes the scene of suggestions,

2929
02:42:04,520 --> 02:42:07,959
but considering the in cell fans nowadays beating up Nikki

2930
02:42:07,959 --> 02:42:14,360
Bella might turn see a face again, Aced acts with

2931
02:42:14,399 --> 02:42:17,280
a wonderful line, how many cows died the story of

2932
02:42:17,360 --> 02:42:22,840
Dusty Rhodes, Chris says other podcasts, this week we are

2933
02:42:22,920 --> 02:42:25,440
looking at WCW World War three. The first one. Here

2934
02:42:25,520 --> 02:42:28,680
is the exact order of eliminations, where the announcers made mistakes,

2935
02:42:28,840 --> 02:42:31,600
and how we would have booked the match the lapsed fan.

2936
02:42:32,159 --> 02:42:34,719
This week we are finally doing World War three. Here's

2937
02:42:34,760 --> 02:42:41,200
what's wrong with Queen of the Ring and this and

2938
02:42:41,319 --> 02:42:44,000
this is proof that Craig Leathers edits his own Wikipedia page.

2939
02:42:47,079 --> 02:42:49,040
I love you guys, he says, we love you too. Holler,

2940
02:42:49,200 --> 02:42:51,879
that's correct, that is correct. Listen and everything gets included.

2941
02:42:52,920 --> 02:42:54,959
Adam points out something interesting I hadn't noticed. He said.

2942
02:42:54,959 --> 02:42:56,760
One weird thing that Piper would do in promos going

2943
02:42:56,799 --> 02:42:59,040
back to years was lie about how many kids he had,

2944
02:42:59,120 --> 02:43:02,840
saying he had six. That's strange. Why would you do

2945
02:43:02,920 --> 02:43:05,440
that if having a fuck ton of kids was all

2946
02:43:05,479 --> 02:43:07,120
it took, he writes, to be a top guy. Rocky

2947
02:43:07,200 --> 02:43:09,040
Johnson would have been the big straw of the century.

2948
02:43:09,479 --> 02:43:14,399
That's funny. So that is funny. Corey comes back. Remember

2949
02:43:14,440 --> 02:43:16,680
when Gorilla had made reference on one of the Colisseum

2950
02:43:16,719 --> 02:43:21,040
Collection matches to Ken Peterra having retired him. Yeah, we

2951
02:43:21,159 --> 02:43:24,399
were like, what is that? Yes, didn't know about this angle. Ken,

2952
02:43:24,559 --> 02:43:27,159
he writes, had a title match against Backland Bob Eckland,

2953
02:43:27,159 --> 02:43:29,719
so this would have been his late seventies early eighties run.

2954
02:43:30,079 --> 02:43:32,559
About twenty minutes into the match, Petera grabs the mic

2955
02:43:32,639 --> 02:43:34,719
and stand off of the announced desk. He ends up

2956
02:43:34,760 --> 02:43:37,639
clubbing Gorilla. Backland gets the mic away from Ken and

2957
02:43:37,719 --> 02:43:40,360
blasts him, and then Gorilla gets into chop Petera. This

2958
02:43:40,520 --> 02:43:43,680
leads to a match between Petera and Gorilla. Ken wins

2959
02:43:43,760 --> 02:43:46,360
and Gorilla retires. He has a couple of matches after that,

2960
02:43:46,520 --> 02:43:48,680
but that was the end of his full time career. Wow.

2961
02:43:49,079 --> 02:43:52,440
The date August twenty third, nineteen eighty So do you

2962
02:43:52,479 --> 02:43:53,840
even know about that? We'll have to look that one up.

2963
02:43:53,920 --> 02:43:56,399
Thanks very much. As always, can count on Corey to

2964
02:43:56,440 --> 02:43:59,079
fill in the gaps from that time period in particular,

2965
02:44:00,399 --> 02:44:03,559
A tool Belt for Daddy writes on Patreon regarding why

2966
02:44:03,760 --> 02:44:05,959
Land of a Thousand Dances because we asked why of

2967
02:44:06,040 --> 02:44:08,840
all the songs? I think he's good theory. I think

2968
02:44:08,920 --> 02:44:11,120
Vince likes just the no no no no noah of it.

2969
02:44:11,879 --> 02:44:12,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2970
02:44:12,440 --> 02:44:14,239
Speaker 2: Bruce Pritchard has told a story about how much he

2971
02:44:14,360 --> 02:44:18,719
loves the old Nanna Kiss some goodbye song chant, and

2972
02:44:18,799 --> 02:44:22,319
this is pretty close. Tool Belt also adds, I love

2973
02:44:22,360 --> 02:44:24,559
this version of Vince that did comedy. It's clearly having

2974
02:44:24,680 --> 02:44:28,920
fun creating this stuff. It is infectious, like when he's

2975
02:44:29,000 --> 02:44:32,360
doing TNT and this, you know, some of these more

2976
02:44:32,479 --> 02:44:35,440
foolish and outlandish things. His sense of humor is kind

2977
02:44:35,479 --> 02:44:38,440
of it's really stupid, but it's kind of fun to

2978
02:44:38,520 --> 02:44:41,760
watch him like try not to laugh, you know, and

2979
02:44:41,920 --> 02:44:43,879
try to keep that straight man look about him while

2980
02:44:43,920 --> 02:44:47,040
holding the mic, and the insanity is enveloping all around him.

2981
02:44:48,000 --> 02:44:51,600
But it's just I don't know, it's a lot. He

2982
02:44:51,719 --> 02:44:54,799
does a lot of it. It's not one segment a

2983
02:44:54,920 --> 02:44:57,639
month or whatever. It's fucking entire show is like all

2984
02:44:57,719 --> 02:45:01,680
this high jinks and a little wrestling. It's really really

2985
02:45:01,760 --> 02:45:04,639
it really smacks someone who's trying to be someone who's

2986
02:45:04,719 --> 02:45:08,159
not you know, yes, or trying to appeal to an

2987
02:45:08,159 --> 02:45:11,319
audience he doesn't have. Zachary Cole, thank you very much

2988
02:45:11,360 --> 02:45:14,120
for your increase in pledge. We really appreciate it. We

2989
02:45:14,239 --> 02:45:18,280
got some sound from the from the field boss. We

2990
02:45:18,399 --> 02:45:20,799
know that the lapsed wife is a thing. Tell him

2991
02:45:20,799 --> 02:45:24,799
about the shirt. Oh fuck yeah, I mean listen, that's

2992
02:45:24,920 --> 02:45:27,959
the one. If you are are married, and you've got

2993
02:45:29,680 --> 02:45:33,280
and you've got a wife who questions why you listen

2994
02:45:33,360 --> 02:45:36,520
to this shit, you get them a lapsed wife shirt

2995
02:45:37,840 --> 02:45:40,920
because it says right underneath, why are you laughing? This

2996
02:45:41,079 --> 02:45:49,879
isn't funny. That is the catchphrase and the the slogan

2997
02:45:50,159 --> 02:45:52,520
of the lapsed wife. All right, they don't know why

2998
02:45:52,600 --> 02:45:55,959
you listen to us. They certainly don't understand why you're

2999
02:45:56,040 --> 02:46:00,319
laughing at us because we're not funny. I understand. Listen,

3000
02:46:02,879 --> 02:46:06,280
you know my wife doesn't think I'm nearly as funny

3001
02:46:06,319 --> 02:46:10,879
as I am. Right, no wife does, exactly, and it

3002
02:46:11,000 --> 02:46:15,319
cludes Marshall's wife because uh she. He sent some rather

3003
02:46:15,360 --> 02:46:18,559
amusing audio of I think what probably stands as a

3004
02:46:18,639 --> 02:46:22,479
very typical spousal interaction around the pod. Here he is

3005
02:46:29,239 --> 02:46:30,200
my lovely girlfriend.

3006
02:46:30,280 --> 02:46:31,799
Speaker 4: I asked her, I told her about wrestling.

3007
02:46:32,120 --> 02:46:35,680
Speaker 3: I thought about the John c n He'll turn and.

3008
02:46:35,760 --> 02:46:41,719
Speaker 2: What did you say about wrestling? Georgina, So movies on

3009
02:46:41,879 --> 02:46:42,559
TV shows?

3010
02:46:43,120 --> 02:46:44,040
Speaker 4: Why is this worse?

3011
02:46:45,040 --> 02:46:46,000
Speaker 1: It's just more fake?

3012
02:46:47,239 --> 02:46:53,200
Speaker 2: Yes, I rest my case. Yes it's more fake. That's

3013
02:46:53,239 --> 02:46:57,440
a good share. Actually, all right, that's a good it's

3014
02:46:57,520 --> 02:47:02,360
more why why is it'd be like you ask the

3015
02:47:02,479 --> 02:47:10,159
question why is wrestling? Yeah? Why do you why do

3016
02:47:10,239 --> 02:47:15,319
you dislike wrestling more than TV and movies? Right, it's

3017
02:47:15,440 --> 02:47:21,120
more fake, yes, Bingo, speaking of much Lucky Lagucci doubled

3018
02:47:21,159 --> 02:47:24,840
that pledge. We appreciate it. Random, thank you so much

3019
02:47:24,879 --> 02:47:27,719
for that cake. It's awesome. We appreciate it. Richard writes

3020
02:47:27,799 --> 02:47:30,200
greetings to JP while putting on some background noise while

3021
02:47:30,239 --> 02:47:31,959
working on a model. I had to stop as the

3022
02:47:32,040 --> 02:47:35,200
video was talking about Godzilla or Space Godzilla from nineteen

3023
02:47:35,239 --> 02:47:37,879
ninety four, due to the revelation that the sued actor

3024
02:47:37,920 --> 02:47:42,239
for Little Godzilla was a pro wrestler. Oh boy. I

3025
02:47:42,319 --> 02:47:44,479
also found out that this is not the first timely Yeah,

3026
02:47:44,840 --> 02:47:46,639
a pro wrestler was a sued actor, as the show

3027
02:47:46,680 --> 02:47:50,280
Era Films used one for Godzilla First Child Manila, we

3028
02:47:50,360 --> 02:47:52,440
get do we get a name? While most of the

3029
02:47:52,520 --> 02:47:55,520
movies with Godzilla's offspring are bad, Godzilla movies are some

3030
02:47:55,639 --> 02:47:57,680
of my earliest childhood memories. I would love to hear

3031
02:47:57,719 --> 02:47:59,239
you give the cinemat treatment to any of the movies.

3032
02:48:00,200 --> 02:48:03,479
Yes please. I also would ask Godzilla to a flying

3033
02:48:03,520 --> 02:48:05,879
drop kick is seen in Gonzillaver's Megaton count. I mean

3034
02:48:06,120 --> 02:48:09,239
there's one, and let me see here he's got. There's

3035
02:48:09,399 --> 02:48:13,040
one that I would fucking like. It's my all time

3036
02:48:13,159 --> 02:48:17,920
favorite Godzilla movie and it's King Kong versus Godza. Is

3037
02:48:17,959 --> 02:48:23,639
it really from nineteen sixty three? So fucking great? Thatches

3038
02:48:23,680 --> 02:48:27,760
two pictures, one of Masau little man Machan Fukuzawa, who

3039
02:48:27,840 --> 02:48:31,799
is the suit actor in Manila, and one of Masanobu

3040
02:48:31,920 --> 02:48:35,200
little Frankie Okamoto, who is a suit actor in Little Godzilla.

3041
02:48:36,360 --> 02:48:40,200
So that's wow. Two potential cinemat connections to get Godzilla going.

3042
02:48:40,239 --> 02:48:42,879
Maybe a Godzilla journey coming. Oh my god, you imagine

3043
02:48:42,959 --> 02:48:45,600
back to Tokyo we go? Right? What's that? What's the

3044
02:48:45,680 --> 02:48:47,920
name again? Oh geez, I lost it with your names.

3045
02:48:48,360 --> 02:48:51,000
We'll pull it up some other time. Correy also writes

3046
02:48:51,000 --> 02:48:53,319
Albano managed Andre and eighty five, who were like, what's

3047
02:48:53,399 --> 02:48:55,760
the tie between Andre and Albano that they're talking about?

3048
02:48:55,840 --> 02:48:58,559
That one's there was the big MSG match who writes

3049
02:48:58,639 --> 02:49:01,079
versus Bundy is with Lou in the corner. Andre has

3050
02:49:01,239 --> 02:49:03,600
back to back Saturday Night's main event tag matches Verus

3051
02:49:03,600 --> 02:49:05,719
stud and Bundy with Albano in his corner. I remember

3052
02:49:05,760 --> 02:49:07,559
those matches, but I did not remember that little Banno

3053
02:49:07,639 --> 02:49:10,360
was in Andre's corner for them. Plus Albano managed the

3054
02:49:10,440 --> 02:49:13,040
machines right which had Andre in it. That's a good point.

3055
02:49:13,680 --> 02:49:16,239
Joe from Chicago and hey, JP and Jack currently listening

3056
02:49:16,319 --> 02:49:18,559
to the Exorcist episode of Under the Cinemat that's wrong,

3057
02:49:18,639 --> 02:49:22,280
while Ago that's that's yeah, that's some Halloween shit. Right

3058
02:49:22,319 --> 02:49:25,600
there after we say it's incredible, and he's right about you. Yes,

3059
02:49:25,600 --> 02:49:27,399
I think I've texted my mom and several uncles about

3060
02:49:27,399 --> 02:49:29,319
their experiencing it in theaters, just because of the little

3061
02:49:29,319 --> 02:49:31,319
bits and pieces they've told me over the years. Also

3062
02:49:31,399 --> 02:49:33,879
the fact that Friedkin more or less got his confidence

3063
02:49:33,920 --> 02:49:38,520
from watching Chicago wrestling made me smile. It's right, yeah, Yes,

3064
02:49:38,600 --> 02:49:41,040
I live in the hollowed Holls, the grounds of Schomberg

3065
02:49:41,440 --> 02:49:44,280
Jesus Christ. Jimmy Barnett might be the real Forest Gump,

3066
02:49:44,280 --> 02:49:46,159
as he was probably working for Kohler at the time.

3067
02:49:46,239 --> 02:49:48,319
That's true, he was thanks for all the shout outs

3068
02:49:48,399 --> 02:49:50,760
for my suburban home one. Would you ever consider putting

3069
02:49:50,760 --> 02:49:52,280
the episode on the main feed so I can share it,

3070
02:49:52,319 --> 02:49:56,920
I can make a donation. What do you think that's

3071
02:49:56,959 --> 02:49:59,120
a no act? Maybe I don't know. Maybe some point,

3072
02:49:59,159 --> 02:50:03,639
probably at some point i'd do what you see say, yeah, yeah, yeah,

3073
02:50:03,639 --> 02:50:06,639
maybe in the fall, because it definitely, I mean especially

3074
02:50:06,680 --> 02:50:09,360
because for the connections alone, the connections alone are just

3075
02:50:09,399 --> 02:50:11,920
so fucking yeah, those are deep, especially the last one.

3076
02:50:12,040 --> 02:50:15,319
The last one is just the fucking greatest thing too. Also,

3077
02:50:15,360 --> 02:50:17,120
I've been kicking around the idea of getting the Captain

3078
02:50:17,159 --> 02:50:20,280
Howdy tattoo, but I feel that maybe invite unnecessary bad juju,

3079
02:50:20,319 --> 02:50:21,719
if you will. In in my life, I don't have

3080
02:50:21,760 --> 02:50:23,319
that strong of a religious conviction at all. But I

3081
02:50:23,360 --> 02:50:26,040
don't know. Something makes me think twice, yeah, I know

3082
02:50:26,079 --> 02:50:28,000
where that I can tell whe that comes from? For real, though,

3083
02:50:28,040 --> 02:50:29,559
you guys have helped me through the last year and

3084
02:50:29,600 --> 02:50:31,360
a half of ups and downs. Luckily I have it

3085
02:50:31,399 --> 02:50:33,280
all together with great kids in a pretty cool life.

3086
02:50:33,360 --> 02:50:35,600
But just I think you guys know how much you

3087
02:50:35,760 --> 02:50:37,440
mean to people. But I just want to say it again.

3088
02:50:37,639 --> 02:50:39,559
My four year old wanted to watch the match with

3089
02:50:39,639 --> 02:50:42,680
all the girl pro wrestlers aka Woman's Rumble. I also

3090
02:50:42,760 --> 02:50:45,760
apologize for being a bitch and dropping tears on Patreon.

3091
02:50:45,879 --> 02:50:49,479
Never apologize for this, folks. I mean, the bitch thing

3092
02:50:49,680 --> 02:50:52,239
is for people. When we say that, we're talking about

3093
02:50:52,360 --> 02:50:55,399
people who judge, people who pay for the show. We're

3094
02:50:55,440 --> 02:50:58,319
not talking about people can't afford to pay for the show.

3095
02:50:58,399 --> 02:51:02,680
It's not long, right, right, right, right right. But I

3096
02:51:02,719 --> 02:51:04,879
have done a lot of program I've done a lot

3097
02:51:04,920 --> 02:51:06,479
of growing up in the last year, and I'm trying

3098
02:51:06,520 --> 02:51:09,040
to get my shit together, he writes, and rectifying some

3099
02:51:09,159 --> 02:51:11,360
of my past financial mistakes. However, I believe it is

3100
02:51:11,360 --> 02:51:13,639
my duty is a good goddamn American to pay for art,

3101
02:51:13,959 --> 02:51:16,319
and you gentlemen make art. That's correct, Joe, thank you

3102
02:51:16,399 --> 02:51:18,399
for everything, and praise be to the Warlord. Will praise

3103
02:51:18,440 --> 02:51:19,959
be to you son. It's great to have you in

3104
02:51:20,000 --> 02:51:22,559
our corner. Carlo writes to us. I got the Wrestling

3105
02:51:22,600 --> 02:51:24,440
album in nineteen eighty six. I played it on my

3106
02:51:24,520 --> 02:51:27,159
family room record player. My ever loving parents did not

3107
02:51:27,319 --> 02:51:32,079
care for it. My mom said grab them cakes was inappropriate. Yeah,

3108
02:51:34,440 --> 02:51:36,520
Jeff says, Martha Quinn is a certain kind of hot

3109
02:51:36,559 --> 02:51:39,920
that only existed in the nineteen eighties. Is that true? Yeah,

3110
02:51:40,120 --> 02:51:41,840
the way they were writing about her, she was like

3111
02:51:43,079 --> 02:51:46,639
like girlfriend material. And I'm not saying she's not a

3112
02:51:46,719 --> 02:51:49,559
pretty woman, but yeah, it's definitely it's very eighties. He

3113
02:51:49,600 --> 02:51:52,040
appeal is very eighties. Sure, I don't know what it was.

3114
02:51:52,079 --> 02:51:54,719
It was almost like you wanted like the kind of

3115
02:51:54,799 --> 02:51:58,319
like the shy, bashful quality about you two at that time.

3116
02:51:58,440 --> 02:52:01,559
It was it is very eighties, you know, like the

3117
02:52:01,639 --> 02:52:03,879
girl who ends up at the party but didn't really

3118
02:52:03,959 --> 02:52:06,920
want to go, but everybody's still somehowever, that all the

3119
02:52:06,959 --> 02:52:08,680
attention is on her even though she doesn't want to

3120
02:52:08,680 --> 02:52:10,799
be there. But she's not acting hip about it, she's

3121
02:52:10,840 --> 02:52:14,760
acting bashful about it. You know. Work rate Midget rights

3122
02:52:14,799 --> 02:52:16,719
to us. I've received the wrestling album for Christmas. I

3123
02:52:16,719 --> 02:52:19,840
also recall getting the WWF calendar in the figures. He says,

3124
02:52:19,879 --> 02:52:24,079
the Super Bowl shuffle is still played at Chicago Land weddings. Wow,

3125
02:52:24,719 --> 02:52:26,920
it's got to be something. Dan. Thank you very much

3126
02:52:26,959 --> 02:52:28,920
for your pledge, my friend, we appreciate it. Welcome in,

3127
02:52:29,319 --> 02:52:31,879
David writes, Vince McMahon is uncautionably one of the most

3128
02:52:31,959 --> 02:52:36,120
painfully unfunny people in history. Yeah, I can't disagree. Wow,

3129
02:52:36,200 --> 02:52:38,840
he's awful. He's a fucking drizzling shit. Can you imagine

3130
02:52:38,840 --> 02:52:40,959
getting paid to laugh at his jokes for thirty years?

3131
02:52:41,120 --> 02:52:44,399
But that does to a person. Oh, there's nothing left,

3132
02:52:44,680 --> 02:52:48,440
just a husk of a man. David has a great question.

3133
02:52:48,440 --> 02:52:49,959
I don't know if you can feel this one, boss,

3134
02:52:49,959 --> 02:52:53,399
I'd appreciate your thoughts. Is it safe to say that

3135
02:52:53,520 --> 02:52:58,360
the WWE is a dota driven enterprise? Oh? Absolutely? Why

3136
02:52:58,399 --> 02:53:00,879
why are we so quick to answer? Well, I mean

3137
02:53:01,239 --> 02:53:05,559
I'm a data for all my father, so how could

3138
02:53:05,559 --> 02:53:08,280
he not be a data driven enterprise?

3139
02:53:09,280 --> 02:53:09,319
Speaker 1: No?

3140
02:53:09,440 --> 02:53:13,399
Speaker 2: But it definitely. Listen, I mean, look, we're gonna, we're gonna,

3141
02:53:14,639 --> 02:53:21,479
you know, we'll put up the U. I mean, think

3142
02:53:21,520 --> 02:53:33,040
about this dada Ism, okay, is and the establishment it

3143
02:53:33,239 --> 02:53:36,680
is you know it right there from the get go.

3144
02:53:36,879 --> 02:53:42,719
It defines it defines wrestling, all right, you know you.

3145
02:53:46,159 --> 02:53:46,200
Speaker 1: It?

3146
02:53:48,680 --> 02:53:54,319
Speaker 2: I mean here the Wikipedia right here Wikipedia entry says

3147
02:53:54,360 --> 02:53:57,920
this within the umbrella of the movement, the Dada movement.

3148
02:53:58,600 --> 02:54:01,760
People used a wide variety of artistic forms to protest

3149
02:54:02,120 --> 02:54:08,159
the logic. Reason it does protest logic, aestheticism of modern

3150
02:54:08,280 --> 02:54:14,920
capitalism and modern war god wrestling right there. Yeah, well

3151
02:54:15,120 --> 02:54:20,840
I mean both embrace randomness. Yeah, both reject narrative logic. Yes,

3152
02:54:21,239 --> 02:54:26,079
both see art is live expression. Yep. Both critique society,

3153
02:54:26,200 --> 02:54:28,959
and both are in many ways anti art. It's right.

3154
02:54:30,479 --> 02:54:33,840
So while ww might not intentionally be data, it does

3155
02:54:33,920 --> 02:54:38,760
share Dada's spirit. It does. It is datast in nature.

3156
02:54:39,079 --> 02:54:41,520
It blurs the boundary stream real and fake. That's right.

3157
02:54:42,120 --> 02:54:44,360
Thank you Mark Hutchinson for that pledge. We appreciate it.

3158
02:54:44,440 --> 02:54:48,120
My friend. Welcome into the Patreon universe, Eric Wright. Cindy

3159
02:54:48,159 --> 02:54:51,000
Lauper only tolerating wrestling because of her boyfriend, like every

3160
02:54:51,079 --> 02:54:55,360
single woman in the history of exports, so totally totally

3161
02:54:55,559 --> 02:54:58,159
don't talking about that. How she kind of all right

3162
02:54:58,319 --> 02:55:01,799
if you want, if you say so, Dave Jack Gillespie,

3163
02:55:01,840 --> 02:55:04,559
thank you very much for that ep level tier appreciated deeply.

3164
02:55:04,920 --> 02:55:06,719
Ellis writes, I'm sure it's been discussed, but my old

3165
02:55:06,719 --> 02:55:08,920
brain doesn't work. The whole Cogan theme was later reworked,

3166
02:55:08,959 --> 02:55:11,840
that's right, into ravishing by Bonnie Tyler. Yes, if you

3167
02:55:11,920 --> 02:55:14,840
listen to the roots of Dada lie in pre war

3168
02:55:15,000 --> 02:55:21,120
avant guard All right, confirmed. Isn't that the text at

3169
02:55:21,159 --> 02:55:26,360
the beginning of the Colosseum videos. H it began five

3170
02:55:26,559 --> 02:55:31,680
billion years ago? Say the roots of da again? What

3171
02:55:31,760 --> 02:55:32,280
did you just say?

3172
02:55:33,200 --> 02:55:37,200
Speaker 6: It began over five billion years ago. Yes, the roots

3173
02:55:37,239 --> 02:55:48,319
of Dada lay in pre war avant garde Cubism, and

3174
02:55:48,399 --> 02:55:52,120
the development of Clark and abstract art would inform the

3175
02:55:52,239 --> 02:55:56,760
movement's detachment from the constraints of reality and convention.

3176
02:55:57,239 --> 02:56:00,719
Speaker 2: That's wrestling right there. It is removed from the concerts

3177
02:56:00,719 --> 02:56:03,200
of wrestling. Isn't that right, Kim Wood? That's right, that's right.

3178
02:56:05,600 --> 02:56:15,079
You know what time it is reality challenged. I feel

3179
02:56:15,200 --> 02:56:18,440
sorry for the fuckers that are in pro wrestling fixed sports.

3180
02:56:21,239 --> 02:56:21,840
Speaker 3: He said it.

3181
02:56:22,520 --> 02:56:25,520
Speaker 2: He said it two words. He said the two words

3182
02:56:25,600 --> 02:56:28,399
back to back, just as we would like God. That's it,

3183
02:56:28,799 --> 02:56:37,040
William Does meatloads get that? Does meat loaf drumming on

3184
02:56:37,200 --> 02:56:39,799
stage at the Slammies make rocky horror? U t c

3185
02:56:39,959 --> 02:56:45,959
ELEGI I I don't, I don't, I don't know. I

3186
02:56:46,000 --> 02:56:48,319
don't want to say yes. I'll tell you what I'll

3187
02:56:48,319 --> 02:56:53,159
tell you what Here's the thing? Was meat Loaf the

3188
02:56:53,239 --> 02:56:57,920
drummer for the album? Yeah, not the whole thing, but

3189
02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:03,200
that track. I think meat Loaf qualifies. Wow, you're saying

3190
02:57:03,600 --> 02:57:07,159
Rocky Horror may becoming scary movie season. I mean there's

3191
02:57:07,159 --> 02:57:10,760
a lot of story there with us, I mean out there, total,

3192
02:57:10,959 --> 02:57:17,719
my god, absolutely, meat Loaf not the food. Let's see here.

3193
02:57:17,879 --> 02:57:21,879
What does that include here? Is usually catch up onions.

3194
02:57:22,959 --> 02:57:27,200
I mean that means, wow, holy shit, it brings in

3195
02:57:27,440 --> 02:57:32,159
quite an interesting slate here. Yes, obviously, Rocky Horror Picture

3196
02:57:32,239 --> 02:57:42,520
Show brings in Wayne's World, Spice World, that's hilarious. Fight Club, Well,

3197
02:57:42,520 --> 02:57:45,000
everything prings in fight Club if you put your mind

3198
02:57:45,040 --> 02:57:52,440
to it. Well, it's data. So that's right there. Okay,

3199
02:57:52,959 --> 02:57:56,719
well look all right, horror qualifies and ww is a

3200
02:57:56,799 --> 02:57:59,680
DoD DoD driven enterprise. I think we've more than done

3201
02:57:59,719 --> 02:58:09,319
to day work here. Pap writes, truly the end of

3202
02:58:09,360 --> 02:58:11,840
an era with the logo of WWE being gone from

3203
02:58:11,879 --> 02:58:13,840
the old Titan towers. Isn't that the truth?

3204
02:58:13,920 --> 02:58:14,079
Speaker 1: Man?

3205
02:58:14,280 --> 02:58:16,600
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, so pathetic. I grew up in RhE Island,

3206
02:58:16,639 --> 02:58:19,479
had family in Pennsylvania, and seeing the giant WWAF logo

3207
02:58:19,559 --> 02:58:21,920
for my ninety five was always the best part of

3208
02:58:22,040 --> 02:58:24,639
going to see family on the holidays. I vividly remember

3209
02:58:24,760 --> 02:58:26,959
yelling and excitement when I saw they finally changed the

3210
02:58:27,040 --> 02:58:29,479
logo to the Scratch logo because my yelling scared the

3211
02:58:29,559 --> 02:58:31,520
shit out of my dad while he was driving, and

3212
02:58:31,600 --> 02:58:33,639
he threatened to beat my ass whenever we stopped at

3213
02:58:33,639 --> 02:58:37,360
a rest stop. Yes, what a memory, and what a

3214
02:58:37,440 --> 02:58:41,239
memory when I saw that man that hallowed out just

3215
02:58:41,360 --> 02:58:44,200
the faint etching of what it used to be on

3216
02:58:44,319 --> 02:58:46,680
that building. And now it looks so pathetic over there

3217
02:58:46,760 --> 02:58:48,399
now because just the middle of a neighborhood, you know,

3218
02:58:49,600 --> 02:58:51,799
used to be so enlivened by the presence of ww

3219
02:58:52,319 --> 02:58:54,920
what a curiosity, what a local curiosity, And now it's

3220
02:58:55,040 --> 02:58:59,840
just another glistening tower amidst other glistening towers trying to

3221
02:58:59,840 --> 02:59:03,680
be Instagram friendly. Yes, Joe writes, hearing the Boss say

3222
02:59:03,719 --> 02:59:06,399
that Brian Christopher and Jerry Lawler used to sit on

3223
02:59:06,440 --> 02:59:08,840
Sunday nights eating hot dogs in French fries while watching

3224
02:59:08,879 --> 02:59:12,040
America's Funniest Home Videos a year before Brian died. Really

3225
02:59:12,079 --> 02:59:15,200
gotten ooh ooh, that's some genuine sadness to think about.

3226
02:59:15,280 --> 02:59:17,319
I agree, I didn't remember that. When I read it back,

3227
02:59:17,360 --> 02:59:19,319
I was like, my God, did he say that? I

3228
02:59:20,840 --> 02:59:24,319
did no fucking clue. Luke says, any Vinyl collectors come

3229
02:59:24,399 --> 02:59:26,680
across the wrestling album out in the wild, I always

3230
02:59:26,760 --> 02:59:29,200
keep an eye out. Definitely not brave enough to ask

3231
02:59:29,280 --> 02:59:31,760
the guy in there though, And then of course Solar

3232
02:59:31,799 --> 02:59:34,639
System members step up and say, yeah, you can find

3233
02:59:34,680 --> 02:59:36,479
it pretty easily here there in the other or I

3234
02:59:36,559 --> 02:59:39,559
found her here pretty great. I don't want to ask

3235
02:59:39,639 --> 02:59:44,079
that question though, No, totally. William says, these eighty five

3236
02:59:44,120 --> 02:59:45,840
eighty six shows really hit me hard. I was eight

3237
02:59:45,920 --> 02:59:49,040
years nine years old, then grew up forty miles from Peoria, Illinois,

3238
02:59:49,079 --> 02:59:51,200
and afterthought as an adult, but a world away for

3239
02:59:51,200 --> 02:59:53,520
a kid. Everyone owned the Super Bowl Shuffle. Yes see,

3240
02:59:53,559 --> 02:59:56,280
he comes back to this. WW toured through Peoria frequently

3241
02:59:56,399 --> 02:59:58,719
enough that kid me thought that they were there every week,

3242
02:59:59,000 --> 03:00:01,000
and my parents just used to let me go meet

3243
03:00:01,040 --> 03:00:04,760
old Cogan because they were mean. That is pretty funny

3244
03:00:05,000 --> 03:00:08,719
to think that they're constantly running. We talked about Doctor

3245
03:00:08,760 --> 03:00:12,440
Demento when we talked about the Wrestling album. Yes, Doctor

3246
03:00:12,479 --> 03:00:14,959
Demento sort of innovated the idea of the novelty record

3247
03:00:15,079 --> 03:00:17,520
something that was to be taken half seriously like a

3248
03:00:17,559 --> 03:00:21,520
weird al and Doctor Demento had a radio show full

3249
03:00:21,680 --> 03:00:24,879
of songs and acts and curiosities like that. William says,

3250
03:00:24,920 --> 03:00:27,280
I loved Doctor Demento. I had a record of some

3251
03:00:27,399 --> 03:00:29,600
of his best bits and songs or sketches that appeared

3252
03:00:29,639 --> 03:00:31,600
on his show. Twelve year old and me thought fish

3253
03:00:31,639 --> 03:00:33,840
Heads was the peak of comedy. I guess that was

3254
03:00:33,879 --> 03:00:36,440
a bit or song. The local PBS ran a block

3255
03:00:36,479 --> 03:00:39,680
of seventies doctor Who on Saturday night. Coincidentally, when an

3256
03:00:39,680 --> 03:00:42,040
AM station ran Demento and my friends and I would

3257
03:00:42,040 --> 03:00:45,120
get together play dungeons, dragons and chugs soda, act like

3258
03:00:45,159 --> 03:00:48,040
absolute idiots until the sugar rush ended. All like good

3259
03:00:48,079 --> 03:00:50,479
twelve years old twelve year old at D and D sessions.

3260
03:00:50,479 --> 03:00:53,399
It would eventually end up as a wrestling match, So

3261
03:00:53,520 --> 03:00:57,760
the Memories. Chris writes that Hogan ripping up the Goadaffi

3262
03:00:57,840 --> 03:01:00,680
photo in the Real American Music video was the equivalent

3263
03:01:00,719 --> 03:01:02,920
to the opening scene in one of the Naked Gun

3264
03:01:03,040 --> 03:01:06,520
movies where Frank Dreben infiltrated a meeting of America's enemies Coffee.

3265
03:01:06,920 --> 03:01:10,159
It's a great the first one. It's such a great opening,

3266
03:01:10,239 --> 03:01:12,760
Astro Phoenix and others beat them up and escaped. Yeah,

3267
03:01:12,840 --> 03:01:15,319
it pretty much is it pretty much is.

3268
03:01:16,840 --> 03:01:32,799
Speaker 1: A lapsed fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows

3269
03:01:32,879 --> 03:01:50,920
the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan. He's

3270
03:01:51,000 --> 03:01:55,200
a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnacio m

3271
03:01:55,280 --> 03:01:56,040
JP Soro.

3272
03:01:56,959 --> 03:01:59,520
Speaker 2: He says, it's a listener to Doctor Demendo's Doctor Demdo

3273
03:01:59,559 --> 03:02:02,040
syndicated in the seventeen eighties. I heard the Fred Blasty

3274
03:02:02,120 --> 03:02:04,360
pencil neck geek song a lot. Does this give the

3275
03:02:04,440 --> 03:02:07,159
boss a utc tie in for Weird the Al Yankovic

3276
03:02:07,239 --> 03:02:12,639
story starring Daniel Radcliffe as Weird Al. What happened? What's

3277
03:02:12,680 --> 03:02:15,079
the connection? I guess that Doctor Demento came up on

3278
03:02:15,120 --> 03:02:18,280
our show about the wrestling album and influenced the genre

3279
03:02:18,399 --> 03:02:20,639
of the wrestling album belongs to It's it's no, it's

3280
03:02:20,680 --> 03:02:24,120
not a real connection. No, that's going to be in it.

3281
03:02:24,879 --> 03:02:27,840
But they want you to experience the Damien Demento show.

3282
03:02:27,879 --> 03:02:30,360
That's really what they want more than anything else. So

3283
03:02:31,000 --> 03:02:34,840
the Doctor Demento Show, not Damien Demento. I say, said Damien.

3284
03:02:34,879 --> 03:02:37,479
I knew that was I am shocked that it took

3285
03:02:37,559 --> 03:02:39,959
that long for me to do that, that I kept

3286
03:02:40,000 --> 03:02:44,520
it together that long. On Gene Okerlin in the way

3287
03:02:44,520 --> 03:02:48,319
he approaches people outside the Slammies in Baltimore, Zach writes,

3288
03:02:48,319 --> 03:02:50,319
I'm going to teach my son the appropriate way to

3289
03:02:50,360 --> 03:02:53,360
approach ladies he's interested in. Starts with excuse me, ladies?

3290
03:02:53,399 --> 03:02:56,760
Can I prevail upon you for a moment? Plenty of dates,

3291
03:02:57,479 --> 03:03:00,159
I think that, yes, exactly. I think people need to

3292
03:03:01,159 --> 03:03:05,000
ask to prevail upon somebody more often, and it's Robert

3293
03:03:05,000 --> 03:03:06,559
who gets the credit for the cost. I think we

3294
03:03:06,600 --> 03:03:09,200
should be getting El Matador's cameo take on every show,

3295
03:03:09,360 --> 03:03:14,040
even once he's not on. Yes, no question, very nice.

3296
03:03:16,120 --> 03:03:19,399
Can I prevail upon you for a moment? Please? I'm sorry?

3297
03:03:19,520 --> 03:03:25,159
What if I prevail upon momentarily? He says, momentarily, If

3298
03:03:25,200 --> 03:03:28,120
I could momentarily prevail upon you, excuse me, and I

3299
03:03:28,200 --> 03:03:31,920
can prevail upon you momentary, shut the funk up with

3300
03:03:32,040 --> 03:03:34,680
your gimmick. Are you gonna? Are you gonna? Are you

3301
03:03:34,760 --> 03:03:37,000
gonna prevail on me momentarily? You're gonna prevail on me

3302
03:03:37,600 --> 03:03:39,639
for a while? Question, what do you mean in a

3303
03:03:39,719 --> 03:03:44,120
moment or like momentarily right now? Momentarily, if I'm not mistaken,

3304
03:03:44,200 --> 03:03:47,280
not to be a pedant about it, but momentarily means

3305
03:03:47,360 --> 03:03:49,840
for a moment, not in a moment, So it doesn't

3306
03:03:49,879 --> 03:03:52,280
mean that you're gonna we'll be back momentarily. That doesn't

3307
03:03:52,280 --> 03:03:56,040
make any sense. You do something momentarily. I brushed my teeth, Momentarily,

3308
03:03:56,159 --> 03:03:58,719
I knocked on the phone. I don't understand how it

3309
03:03:58,760 --> 03:04:01,959
came to mean it'll happen soon. But I'm sure if

3310
03:04:02,000 --> 03:04:03,520
you looked it up, it would say that's the definition.

3311
03:04:03,600 --> 03:04:06,280
But I'm not sure that that's the oldest and original

3312
03:04:06,360 --> 03:04:09,280
definition anyway. That always throws me when I hear people

3313
03:04:09,360 --> 03:04:12,680
use it that way. The credit goes to John for

3314
03:04:12,920 --> 03:04:18,600
the list of wrestling related vinyl over the years. He's

3315
03:04:18,639 --> 03:04:21,719
got what is it six d and seventy four items

3316
03:04:22,280 --> 03:04:26,399
that qualify, including the nineteen eighty four IWGP official record.

3317
03:04:26,600 --> 03:04:29,520
That is to say, yes, New Japan's International Wrestling Grand Prix.

3318
03:04:29,559 --> 03:04:31,879
There was an official record, and he's got all this

3319
03:04:32,000 --> 03:04:34,280
cool stuff from Japan. If you want to check it out.

3320
03:04:34,399 --> 03:04:38,360
It's Bozos, Biceps and Beats on the disccogs website disccogs

3321
03:04:38,799 --> 03:04:42,239
scogs dot com. So if you look up the Bozos

3322
03:04:42,319 --> 03:04:46,559
Biceps Beats list, He's got a great running tally of

3323
03:04:46,760 --> 03:04:48,879
all of these wrestling related albums that have come out

3324
03:04:48,879 --> 03:04:51,600
over the years, including Yes, There it is, Texas, Bronco,

3325
03:04:51,799 --> 03:04:55,959
Terry Funk. My God, what a time to be alive.

3326
03:04:56,239 --> 03:04:57,959
But I want to give shout outs to John and

3327
03:04:58,120 --> 03:05:03,040
pass that link along for those interested. Yes, and shouts

3328
03:05:03,079 --> 03:05:05,840
to Phil for reminding us that yes. I think at

3329
03:05:05,879 --> 03:05:09,040
one point during the wrestling album discussion, you asked, was

3330
03:05:09,079 --> 03:05:13,719
Goadaffi threatening America's freedom? Why would Hogan rip his picture

3331
03:05:13,760 --> 03:05:16,159
up in the video? And Phil is keen to remind

3332
03:05:16,239 --> 03:05:19,040
us that yes, Goaddaffi was allegedly behind the bombing of

3333
03:05:19,079 --> 03:05:21,000
pan Am flight one O three and eighty eight, which

3334
03:05:21,120 --> 03:05:23,360
landed on the Scottish town of lockerby killing all two

3335
03:05:23,440 --> 03:05:25,879
hundred and fifty nine people on board and another eleven

3336
03:05:25,920 --> 03:05:29,920
Scottish people on the ground. So was he an existential

3337
03:05:29,959 --> 03:05:34,280
threat to the US? Phil rights and the words of Bruno, Yeah, sure,

3338
03:05:34,959 --> 03:05:37,360
Zach writes, wrestling is basically the kid who will eat

3339
03:05:37,399 --> 03:05:41,799
gross things just to get your attention. All right, that's true.

3340
03:05:42,239 --> 03:05:43,959
Some of these guys are just like that. You know,

3341
03:05:44,440 --> 03:05:48,120
how can I mutilate myself? Yeah? Well, you know, you

3342
03:05:48,200 --> 03:05:49,639
got him, you know, what do you want? Are you

3343
03:05:49,719 --> 03:05:54,520
with Paul here? Without nostalgic glasses on? Hogan's second theme is,

3344
03:05:54,600 --> 03:05:59,680
in my opinion, vastly superior to real American. He says

3345
03:05:59,719 --> 03:06:02,520
this some walked out to real American at his own wedding. Boss.

3346
03:06:04,120 --> 03:06:06,440
There are elements that of it that I really do like.

3347
03:06:06,559 --> 03:06:10,719
I think it's I think it's it's it's definitely very

3348
03:06:10,840 --> 03:06:13,680
cool in many ways. I think it's a neat It's

3349
03:06:13,719 --> 03:06:18,040
a good theme. I I don't know if it has

3350
03:06:18,120 --> 03:06:21,600
the same punch as real American got it. I mean,

3351
03:06:21,879 --> 03:06:24,760
real Americans got a very Yeah, that's one of a kind.

3352
03:06:24,840 --> 03:06:29,879
That's like, yeah, unforgettable stuff. You hear that, I mean,

3353
03:06:29,920 --> 03:06:34,440
it's exciting even even when he's you know, even when

3354
03:06:34,520 --> 03:06:38,040
you're reminded that he's a racist and an idiot. Right, So,

3355
03:06:38,319 --> 03:06:40,959
like you like the thing is you hear that, You

3356
03:06:41,120 --> 03:06:46,559
hear that those first two those like the first couple

3357
03:06:46,600 --> 03:06:49,319
of measures of the songs, right and the first chorus,

3358
03:06:49,360 --> 03:06:53,000
and like you immediately get excited, you like, even and

3359
03:06:53,079 --> 03:06:55,319
then you remind yourself of what an asshole he is,

3360
03:06:55,959 --> 03:06:59,840
but you're still excited that first moment, Oh for sure,

3361
03:07:00,079 --> 03:07:03,959
it's it's a it's a crazy it's a crazy feeling. Yeah,

3362
03:07:03,959 --> 03:07:05,719
if you can. If the first thing you think about

3363
03:07:05,799 --> 03:07:08,079
is him kicking ass and come into the ring and

3364
03:07:08,120 --> 03:07:11,079
pointing at the guy whose number is finally up right,

3365
03:07:11,360 --> 03:07:13,280
you can't not be electrified by it. But if you

3366
03:07:13,319 --> 03:07:15,440
think of other things when you hear that song, which

3367
03:07:15,520 --> 03:07:19,360
is of course understandable that it's not so much. But yeah,

3368
03:07:20,799 --> 03:07:23,760
just another another example of how it used to be better.

3369
03:07:23,799 --> 03:07:26,680
We used to be able to have nice things. Remember that, Yes,

3370
03:07:26,840 --> 03:07:30,600
used to be able to cherish our little heroes. Neil writes,

3371
03:07:31,239 --> 03:07:35,440
Slammy Awards or Boss the Slaman's Awards. Oh yes, slam

3372
03:07:35,520 --> 03:07:41,719
It's awards for sure. Dunk definitely great. The Slammins got

3373
03:07:41,799 --> 03:07:45,120
a dispatch here from our friend Connor that I hope

3374
03:07:45,120 --> 03:07:47,440
you could uh yes, you could share with the solar

3375
03:07:47,520 --> 03:07:51,120
system from Belfast. No less so uh come in your

3376
03:07:51,159 --> 03:07:55,079
way here in just a moment or momentarily momentarily that

3377
03:07:55,280 --> 03:07:58,799
gorilla would Gene would say, you can prevail upon me momentarily.

3378
03:07:59,239 --> 03:08:04,760
Thanks for that premier greetings from Belfast. I've been a

3379
03:08:04,799 --> 03:08:07,479
listener since the early days when a cast was a

3380
03:08:07,600 --> 03:08:10,959
Measley three hours. Oh my god, Oh, how we grow.

3381
03:08:11,719 --> 03:08:14,760
During that time, I've went through a listening pattern that

3382
03:08:14,840 --> 03:08:17,600
I'm sure is pretty familiar to you both. It started

3383
03:08:17,639 --> 03:08:20,280
that the cast was one of many podcasts, Jericho, Austin,

3384
03:08:20,360 --> 03:08:23,360
some others. But as these casts grew a bit stale

3385
03:08:23,440 --> 03:08:25,559
and tired to your left just got better and better.

3386
03:08:26,079 --> 03:08:28,440
I was a free loader who pays for a podcast, right,

3387
03:08:28,520 --> 03:08:32,479
But then a strange thing happened. I needed the extra

3388
03:08:32,600 --> 03:08:35,440
content's right. Hey, look it's there's no way around it.

3389
03:08:35,559 --> 03:08:39,360
I mean, you have to be a mighty, mighty strong,

3390
03:08:39,639 --> 03:08:43,280
self involved kind of person to pretend that doesn't creep in.

3391
03:08:44,040 --> 03:08:47,600
And there aren't that many out there. There. We convert,

3392
03:08:48,280 --> 03:08:54,479
we convert. Okay, that's one thing you can say. I

3393
03:08:54,600 --> 03:08:57,000
needed the extra content. First it was the three sixteen,

3394
03:08:57,600 --> 03:08:59,719
then the ten dollars tier, hang on, an extra ten

3395
03:08:59,760 --> 03:09:04,120
dollars was for movies. Nope, not for me. But then yeah,

3396
03:09:04,200 --> 03:09:08,319
but then yeah, a little tasty here or there, and yep,

3397
03:09:08,399 --> 03:09:11,959
you bastards got me again. Cinemat is now as undeniable

3398
03:09:12,319 --> 03:09:16,360
as the rest of the content on your street correct system. Yes,

3399
03:09:17,040 --> 03:09:19,760
I will say this. I've never enjoyed James Bond movies,

3400
03:09:20,159 --> 03:09:22,559
just not my thing. But the bond Jerney was incredible.

3401
03:09:23,079 --> 03:09:25,399
The amount of ground you covered was remarkable. One small

3402
03:09:25,479 --> 03:09:28,760
thing that that stood out for me and then never

3403
03:09:28,840 --> 03:09:31,879
seen ever again. Episode JP calls out a random bad

3404
03:09:31,959 --> 03:09:41,360
guy as what calls out a random bad guy's Rick

3405
03:09:41,520 --> 03:09:50,399
van Dickhead. I forgot that at all, And then a

3406
03:09:50,479 --> 03:09:54,559
little later in the episode says this is a Geiger counter.

3407
03:09:55,559 --> 03:09:59,319
It counts Geiger's aweso.

3408
03:10:00,159 --> 03:10:00,399
Speaker 1: Ah.

3409
03:10:01,799 --> 03:10:05,680
Speaker 8: Both of these had me in stitches. Jesus Christ, Oh

3410
03:10:05,760 --> 03:10:08,000
my god, I have no recollection to say that ship

3411
03:10:09,000 --> 03:10:13,280
at all. I fucking live for the family few sound

3412
03:10:13,360 --> 03:10:13,680
by me.

3413
03:10:16,920 --> 03:10:19,120
Speaker 2: I can't wait to your Kim would have uprated something.

3414
03:10:19,639 --> 03:10:22,200
Oh my god, I know it's gonna happen. It's gonna happen.

3415
03:10:24,360 --> 03:10:28,040
I fucking lived for the personal highlights being Hogan's boo

3416
03:10:29,159 --> 03:10:39,680
and bit shops. No, and then of course I forgot

3417
03:10:39,719 --> 03:10:47,760
about that. No, No, and then of course yeah, these

3418
03:10:47,920 --> 03:10:53,200
segments are so stupid and brilliant and essential. Yes. Yes,

3419
03:10:53,440 --> 03:10:55,879
then you guys pivot from spending ten minutes on David

3420
03:10:55,920 --> 03:10:58,719
in the Juice Milkshake. Rachel's were break down of what

3421
03:10:59,000 --> 03:11:01,079
is wrong with modern world.

3422
03:11:02,520 --> 03:11:04,959
Speaker 8: I think it's not the point where nobody looks forward

3423
03:11:05,000 --> 03:11:06,639
to anything anymore.

3424
03:11:10,040 --> 03:11:14,719
Speaker 2: That's right. Everything is instant or it's not worth a shit.

3425
03:11:16,040 --> 03:11:19,639
We have far too much choice. Convenience has killed the

3426
03:11:19,840 --> 03:11:24,799
joy of waiting and discovering things. I'm about the same

3427
03:11:24,879 --> 03:11:27,239
age as you guys. My go to is and always

3428
03:11:27,280 --> 03:11:30,520
will be, the early nineties W stuff. There's just a

3429
03:11:30,680 --> 03:11:33,239
comfort in that area over here. All of the available

3430
03:11:33,399 --> 03:11:38,200
W stuff is now on Netflix, all pay per views, limited,

3431
03:11:38,319 --> 03:11:43,639
raw and like I says, snackdown s nacc snackdown from

3432
03:11:43,719 --> 03:11:46,280
years ago, but none of the non W stuff. I

3433
03:11:46,399 --> 03:11:49,479
was initially a bit pissed at this, but guess what,

3434
03:11:50,120 --> 03:11:53,559
less choice makes watching easier. My wife and I just

3435
03:11:53,639 --> 03:11:55,559
had our second child, and I've been lucky enough to

3436
03:11:55,600 --> 03:11:58,200
get a decent amount of leave off work during the

3437
03:11:58,280 --> 03:12:01,360
late nights. I've decided to start working through the www

3438
03:12:01,559 --> 03:12:04,719
pay per views in order, and I've just finished Survivors

3439
03:12:05,559 --> 03:12:09,000
Wait Summer Slam ninety two. Not having to spend hours

3440
03:12:09,000 --> 03:12:13,040
scrolling to pick stuff is liberating. Yeah, I can see that. Yeah,

3441
03:12:14,040 --> 03:12:15,440
I guess too that you know what they've got now,

3442
03:12:15,479 --> 03:12:18,639
They've got a YouTube page dedicated to WCW. I saw that.

3443
03:12:18,719 --> 03:12:22,360
It's wonderful, right, idea. Yeah, it is wonderful. The mini

3444
03:12:22,440 --> 03:12:25,360
Journey of Mine is highlighted. This mini journey of Mine

3445
03:12:25,360 --> 03:12:28,520
as highlighted my two favorites, Brett Hart and Randy Savage.

3446
03:12:29,280 --> 03:12:33,799
Bred to me was I was ready for that at all?

3447
03:12:34,399 --> 03:12:49,200
How think you've ever done that? One? Random's Savage? Just

3448
03:12:49,319 --> 03:12:51,840
see I always say, I always say, like part of

3449
03:12:51,879 --> 03:12:54,079
what we do is we just like we say something

3450
03:12:54,200 --> 03:12:57,760
just to see how it sounds. Like this one hits Yeah, Yeah,

3451
03:12:58,040 --> 03:13:02,319
you're just standing around making noise each other, like like, vonn,

3452
03:13:03,280 --> 03:13:05,959
why it's funny? It is? I mean I think you

3453
03:13:06,040 --> 03:13:09,120
can deny that. If you don't think it's funny, I

3454
03:13:09,120 --> 03:13:10,840
don't want anything to do with you. Let's put that way.

3455
03:13:10,879 --> 03:13:15,040
Yeah you don't think it's funny, go fuck yourself. Randon's Savage.

3456
03:13:16,319 --> 03:13:18,600
Brett to me was at his best and most memorable

3457
03:13:18,680 --> 03:13:21,159
making other guys look like a million dollars owing a

3458
03:13:21,319 --> 03:13:25,600
Mania ten is series of matches with diesel Mania double

3459
03:13:25,639 --> 03:13:28,040
turned with Austin, but the ultimate example in the in

3460
03:13:28,159 --> 03:13:31,559
the Soma Slam match with Bulldog in his home tune

3461
03:13:32,040 --> 03:13:37,440
of Leeds Mom Chess alone in England. The fact that

3462
03:13:37,559 --> 03:13:39,760
Brett could drag that level of a match out of

3463
03:13:39,840 --> 03:13:45,440
a gassed up pill head is quite frankly ridiculous. And

3464
03:13:45,559 --> 03:13:48,440
that's and that's why that will always be my favorite

3465
03:13:48,440 --> 03:13:52,319
Brett match. I know he's a bit earnest and an

3466
03:13:52,440 --> 03:13:56,959
artist and all and all that, but sweet Jesus, was

3467
03:13:57,000 --> 03:14:01,959
he not just a fantastic wrestler. His supplex, his goddamn supplex,

3468
03:14:02,159 --> 03:14:05,680
not quite a snap supplex, not just a standard tu

3469
03:14:05,799 --> 03:14:08,440
but for something of his own unique lift where his

3470
03:14:08,520 --> 03:14:10,920
foot came up right. It wasn't just the kind of

3471
03:14:10,959 --> 03:14:12,840
the snaps too, look just fall down. It was like

3472
03:14:13,440 --> 03:14:17,840
he lifted it up in a very very brisk way. Yes,

3473
03:14:18,159 --> 03:14:20,920
very authoritative, like you knew exactly what he was doing. Yeah,

3474
03:14:21,440 --> 03:14:24,280
it's like he's straining every ounce when he hoisted a

3475
03:14:24,360 --> 03:14:27,840
mofo a Brett Hart. Question for the co chairs, is

3476
03:14:27,879 --> 03:14:31,559
Brett the only WW champ to wear long tights and

3477
03:14:31,639 --> 03:14:36,280
a singlet topay? No, Diesel, Well, he didn't wear tights,

3478
03:14:36,319 --> 03:14:43,399
though he wore pants. Great question that can think of. Yeah,

3479
03:14:43,440 --> 03:14:49,559
I think that's it. Vader Vader did mean never was champion,

3480
03:14:49,639 --> 03:14:52,760
though he was never w OH champion. No, he's the

3481
03:14:52,799 --> 03:14:55,639
only one, the only w W champ. Of course he's diesel,

3482
03:14:55,760 --> 03:14:57,959
but he didn't, but he wore the he had the

3483
03:14:58,040 --> 03:15:01,799
leather pants. But similar gimmick though for a long time.

3484
03:15:02,200 --> 03:15:03,680
It only just occurred to me. And I can't think

3485
03:15:03,680 --> 03:15:06,159
of anyone else with that couple. Yeah, I don't think so.

3486
03:15:06,639 --> 03:15:13,159
Uh well, it depends on the day. Warrior, slaughter, oh fuck,

3487
03:15:14,159 --> 03:15:17,360
sometimes slaughter wear the black, the black tights anywhere the

3488
03:15:18,399 --> 03:15:21,040
so sometimes wear pants, but something sometimes you wear pants

3489
03:15:21,079 --> 03:15:24,280
for there wasn't always tights he wore. He wore a

3490
03:15:24,399 --> 03:15:28,799
khakis at Messonia seven. Oh, he's coming back from war, right,

3491
03:15:28,840 --> 03:15:33,879
he's wearing his fucking uh you know, his uh mh,

3492
03:15:34,520 --> 03:15:41,520
his Iraqi military uniform, his Iraqi military class as he

3493
03:15:41,639 --> 03:15:45,719
was wearing his Persian golf. Yeah, yeah, the dress, s giar,

3494
03:15:48,079 --> 03:15:55,120
you're wearing the khakis at Saddam Hussein gave him? Yeah,

3495
03:15:55,680 --> 03:15:57,760
who gave him the iron chic all those years too?

3496
03:15:57,840 --> 03:16:02,239
By the way, Sam gave him the slaughter, but iron

3497
03:16:02,319 --> 03:16:04,360
cheek was wearing him for years before that, from the

3498
03:16:04,479 --> 03:16:06,959
enemy country of Iran. No less right, how that works.

3499
03:16:09,559 --> 03:16:12,920
Randon's savage might be the greatest ever when it comes

3500
03:16:12,959 --> 03:16:16,959
to making the crowd feel I agree, the crowd can

3501
03:16:17,239 --> 03:16:19,440
the guy can sell like no other. When I think

3502
03:16:19,440 --> 03:16:23,200
about Randon's career, I don't remember moves, but the way

3503
03:16:23,319 --> 03:16:27,000
he could make you a viewer feel, And the guy

3504
03:16:27,079 --> 03:16:31,200
had so many versions in his WWWE stant early Macho

3505
03:16:32,319 --> 03:16:37,280
Icy title versus Steamers World World Title, Macho, Macho King

3506
03:16:37,440 --> 03:16:41,680
Long Tight's Macho king off, the Royd's macho on his

3507
03:16:41,799 --> 03:16:45,680
colorful madness. Randy at WrestleMania seven is every bit as

3508
03:16:45,719 --> 03:16:49,479
good as Brett Austin and WrestleMania thirteen. How he went

3509
03:16:49,600 --> 03:16:53,079
from being hated to sympathetic to getting his ass kicked

3510
03:16:53,120 --> 03:16:55,920
by Sherry to making everyone feel so strongly with the

3511
03:16:56,000 --> 03:16:59,200
Liz reunion is something else agreed, unbelievable. What it is

3512
03:16:59,319 --> 03:17:02,319
when you put it that way, it's incredible storytelling. You know,

3513
03:17:02,520 --> 03:17:08,520
there's no quote versatility, yes, yes, but to be able

3514
03:17:08,600 --> 03:17:12,479
to do like to sell, I mean the way that

3515
03:17:12,600 --> 03:17:21,000
that that that post match thing was is really remarkable.

3516
03:17:24,959 --> 03:17:26,920
It's because the greatest thing to happen in w w

3517
03:17:27,079 --> 03:17:33,639
ring ever, it's so well done, and it's so well

3518
03:17:33,760 --> 03:17:37,879
thought out, and it's so nuanced that like it's it's,

3519
03:17:38,040 --> 03:17:42,799
it's it, but it's done with such ease and such fluidity.

3520
03:17:44,120 --> 03:17:46,399
But when you really think about it, like the ability

3521
03:17:47,120 --> 03:17:53,159
you have to really to get that kind of a payoff, Okay,

3522
03:17:55,399 --> 03:18:01,079
you have to also create that in the match, yeah,

3523
03:18:01,120 --> 03:18:03,600
because the only way, Like, he can't be a crazy

3524
03:18:03,719 --> 03:18:07,319
ass uber heel, and he's not in the entire match.

3525
03:18:07,479 --> 03:18:09,959
He wrestles pretty clean for the most part. A couple

3526
03:18:10,040 --> 03:18:13,520
cheating things here and there, but like, what makes that

3527
03:18:14,479 --> 03:18:18,559
moment so great is he did try his damnedest. Yes,

3528
03:18:18,959 --> 03:18:22,319
he gave five elbows to Warriors, his career on the line,

3529
03:18:23,479 --> 03:18:26,079
career on the line, the whole thing, and then Sherry

3530
03:18:26,159 --> 03:18:28,040
comes in and beats the shit out of him. Like

3531
03:18:28,319 --> 03:18:34,600
it's it's not just that moment, it's everything else, because

3532
03:18:34,719 --> 03:18:36,600
it's not just a baby face who went out there

3533
03:18:36,680 --> 03:18:40,319
and did his thing and then lost. It is one

3534
03:18:40,399 --> 03:18:43,559
of the most hated heels of the time, who you're

3535
03:18:43,600 --> 03:18:48,120
going to turn around at this moment. It's really phenomenal.

3536
03:18:48,479 --> 03:18:51,360
It's I always say it, and we said it when

3537
03:18:51,360 --> 03:18:53,200
we talked about it years and years ago when we

3538
03:18:53,319 --> 03:18:57,159
covered that show. It's the thing I would hold up

3539
03:18:57,280 --> 03:18:59,840
to say. You know what, Like you laugh at wrestling

3540
03:19:00,000 --> 03:19:03,520
as like a high drama, right, yeah you should, But

3541
03:19:04,520 --> 03:19:09,000
if that's possible I'm sticking around. Yep, if if wrestling,

3542
03:19:09,079 --> 03:19:11,520
if wrestlers and wrestling can be good enough to create

3543
03:19:11,600 --> 03:19:14,120
that moment, and it wasn't the biggest money moment in

3544
03:19:14,159 --> 03:19:16,000
the world, it was a weak house and all that

3545
03:19:16,239 --> 03:19:19,600
don't care talking about how it resonated at the moment

3546
03:19:19,719 --> 03:19:23,040
with the people who did show up unbelievable. And I'm

3547
03:19:23,120 --> 03:19:25,639
and I'm still here waiting for that. In some ways,

3548
03:19:25,639 --> 03:19:27,239
I'm still trying to get back to a place where

3549
03:19:27,239 --> 03:19:29,280
I'm like, wow, look what wrestling created. Look at that

3550
03:19:29,399 --> 03:19:32,000
moment right there. Yeah, yeah, that's just it, you know,

3551
03:19:33,159 --> 03:19:36,799
that is it. We're all and everybody was to where

3552
03:19:36,920 --> 03:19:40,879
the emotional weight was, and a crowd that was thinking

3553
03:19:41,159 --> 03:19:43,360
nothing of Elizabeth when they sat down for that match

3554
03:19:43,840 --> 03:19:47,479
right from their mind. In the end, it's like, of

3555
03:19:47,559 --> 03:19:50,000
course it was all about Elizabeth in the end. That's

3556
03:19:50,079 --> 03:19:57,239
good stuff. Yes, it's just brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.

3557
03:19:59,040 --> 03:20:05,239
Wrestling is stupid nice, it's phony. Yes, it's fake and fraudulent,

3558
03:20:05,319 --> 03:20:08,159
but when it's that good, it's still worth the pain.

3559
03:20:08,239 --> 03:20:10,840
So I'm saying exactly, Yep. It goes without saying that

3560
03:20:11,000 --> 03:20:13,200
modern wrestling will never be as good as the stuff

3561
03:20:13,280 --> 03:20:15,600
we cut our teeth on, but it can still have

3562
03:20:15,879 --> 03:20:19,479
little moments of feeling. I'm writing this just after the

3563
03:20:19,520 --> 03:20:22,280
Elimination Chamber and two things. Yes, the Scene Hill turn

3564
03:20:22,399 --> 03:20:26,440
is something that legitimately sits alongside the Hogan turn. I

3565
03:20:26,520 --> 03:20:29,280
can't believe they're finally doing it, and I wish them well.

3566
03:20:29,879 --> 03:20:31,719
The other thing is that, for the first time since

3567
03:20:31,760 --> 03:20:34,600
probably Daniel Bryant at Wrestling in thirty, I was excited

3568
03:20:34,680 --> 03:20:38,040
by wrestling in the chamber match when it was just

3569
03:20:38,200 --> 03:20:41,479
Punk and Sina, I was genuinely just watching and wanting

3570
03:20:41,559 --> 03:20:45,000
Punk to win. I wasn't thinking about booking or work

3571
03:20:45,079 --> 03:20:48,360
rate or star rating. I was just watching and paying attention.

3572
03:20:49,159 --> 03:20:51,879
And that's it. And that's what's the key in that phrase,

3573
03:20:52,079 --> 03:20:54,879
you wanted Punk to win. That's what's missing, right is

3574
03:20:55,159 --> 03:20:59,799
Steaks is rooting interest. Yes, wrestling cannot be as great

3575
03:20:59,799 --> 03:21:02,239
as it can be unless there is rooting interest from

3576
03:21:02,280 --> 03:21:05,680
the audience. If the crowd doesn't, we're kind of indifferent

3577
03:21:05,719 --> 03:21:08,239
to who goes over and doesn't show up, pinning their

3578
03:21:08,280 --> 03:21:10,479
hopes on one of the two guys winning and one

3579
03:21:10,520 --> 03:21:11,840
of the two women winning and one of the two

3580
03:21:11,879 --> 03:21:15,200
teams winning, then while it can be wonderful, it is

3581
03:21:15,319 --> 03:21:17,920
not pro wrestling at its best. It is not the

3582
03:21:18,040 --> 03:21:20,159
peak of what pro wrestling can be. It has to

3583
03:21:20,239 --> 03:21:22,479
be just like any other sport where the stadium is

3584
03:21:22,559 --> 03:21:24,760
full of mostly people that want to see one person win.

3585
03:21:24,840 --> 03:21:26,840
If everyone does their job on the way in, that's

3586
03:21:26,920 --> 03:21:29,239
the dynamic you create. Doesn't mean that person has to win,

3587
03:21:29,600 --> 03:21:31,520
but that has to be the prevailing energy of the crowd.

3588
03:21:31,680 --> 03:21:34,799
But if people show up to see two people exert

3589
03:21:34,879 --> 03:21:40,239
themselves without carrying which of the two actually wins, then

3590
03:21:40,520 --> 03:21:43,159
you've left something on the table, and that is, by definition,

3591
03:21:43,280 --> 03:21:46,239
inferior to what it could be if you achieved all

3592
03:21:46,319 --> 03:21:52,120
that work rate plus that dynamic. Yeah, sorry, no, doesn't

3593
03:21:52,120 --> 03:21:53,760
mean those two guys who are killing themselves in the

3594
03:21:53,840 --> 03:21:56,280
ring are doing anything wrong. It just means they're not

3595
03:21:56,399 --> 03:22:00,799
doing everything. They're not exercising every option the pro wrestling

3596
03:22:00,840 --> 03:22:02,920
presents to them. It's not their fault, it's the booker's fault.

3597
03:22:03,280 --> 03:22:04,719
But I don't get a fuck whose fault it is.

3598
03:22:04,959 --> 03:22:19,360
It's it's inferior. Yep, just gene watching and that's it.

3599
03:22:19,520 --> 03:22:22,879
Mostly bad. Spare me the press conferences, but when it's good.

3600
03:22:23,079 --> 03:22:25,639
It allows us to just watch and pay attention, and

3601
03:22:25,840 --> 03:22:28,079
Matt is becoming harder to do in the world that

3602
03:22:28,120 --> 03:22:31,159
we live in. This podcast genuinely means a lot to

3603
03:22:31,280 --> 03:22:38,520
me and has me through a lot of long drives, housework,

3604
03:22:38,639 --> 03:22:41,440
and some really difficult personal stuff that I'll keep to

3605
03:22:41,559 --> 03:22:44,959
myself for now. You two are doing God's work. Here's

3606
03:22:44,959 --> 03:22:48,520
to another ten years. Goddamn right, Connor, goddamn right. Not

3607
03:22:48,639 --> 03:22:52,000
a joke, not a fucking game, and he adds in

3608
03:22:52,040 --> 03:22:54,559
Mike excitement, I forgot to add two points one Duke

3609
03:22:54,639 --> 03:22:57,680
Trosy is on the Mount rushmore of wrestlers with other occupations,

3610
03:22:58,639 --> 03:23:00,959
greed no question to me for a moment to picture

3611
03:23:01,000 --> 03:23:03,239
this a man with two loves keeping the streets free

3612
03:23:03,239 --> 03:23:05,840
from trash and a love for grappling. But how does

3613
03:23:05,879 --> 03:23:07,639
he keep his hand in the trash game while grappling?

3614
03:23:07,920 --> 03:23:09,840
Does he pick up shifts whenever the feed is in town?

3615
03:23:10,000 --> 03:23:12,799
The admin and planning involved must have been tortures. He

3616
03:23:12,959 --> 03:23:14,680
must have had a pretty good handle, and all the

3617
03:23:14,760 --> 03:23:17,079
movers and shakers in the trash game could agree more.

3618
03:23:17,120 --> 03:23:19,879
I mean, how do these guys juggle two occupations? It's

3619
03:23:19,920 --> 03:23:22,440
hard enough to break into the wrestling business. But to

3620
03:23:22,479 --> 03:23:24,399
be able to do that and be a plumber, that's

3621
03:23:25,000 --> 03:23:27,920
I mean exactly skill trade. You know, your moonlighting in

3622
03:23:28,000 --> 03:23:29,920
a different career, Like, that's a lot. That's a lot

3623
03:23:29,959 --> 03:23:33,760
to do when you're not working. You're working exactly and too.

3624
03:23:33,879 --> 03:23:36,239
I beg constant, he says, I beg you do the

3625
03:23:36,319 --> 03:23:51,319
Savage journey? Boss, Yes, what lots? I mean, Hey, what

3626
03:23:51,600 --> 03:23:54,879
what you ask for? It's it's uh, it's it's neither

3627
03:23:54,959 --> 03:24:00,479
here nor there. It's a thing. It happened that it

3628
03:24:00,600 --> 03:24:05,239
may happen. You know, it's a h it's it's it

3629
03:24:05,360 --> 03:24:10,000
is what it is. You know, nice non evasive answer here.

3630
03:24:10,079 --> 03:24:12,760
I love it. I love when you don't get evasive.

3631
03:24:13,959 --> 03:24:16,799
It's stuff, Boss, that's awesome, he says. If you can

3632
03:24:16,840 --> 03:24:19,280
do forty hours on set, I expect four hundred on

3633
03:24:19,360 --> 03:24:21,200
Randy you have, But do you want to pay four

3634
03:24:21,280 --> 03:24:23,319
hundred We're about to find out it'd be like two,

3635
03:24:23,680 --> 03:24:27,120
like two fucking years worth of Randy on Randy Angelo, Landy,

3636
03:24:27,200 --> 03:24:30,440
Liz Baseball, Slim, Jim Royd, Snakes and wo all the rest.

3637
03:24:30,639 --> 03:24:32,600
Not only does lap solar system need it? Be honest,

3638
03:24:32,639 --> 03:24:35,040
there's the itch if that is isn't there. You bastards

3639
03:24:35,120 --> 03:24:37,280
need it too. That being said, we will make our medicine,

3640
03:24:37,280 --> 03:24:39,479
take our medicine as good as lab stoctors dish it out.

3641
03:24:39,600 --> 03:24:42,360
Just be careful, be careful what you're playing with, Connor.

3642
03:24:42,399 --> 03:24:45,520
It's a live wire, my friend. It's a live wire,

3643
03:24:45,600 --> 03:24:48,879
and you may find yourself jones in for something that

3644
03:24:49,239 --> 03:24:51,680
asks as much of you as it does of us.

3645
03:24:52,639 --> 03:24:54,879
A tool belt for Daddy writes. The shittiest part about

3646
03:24:54,920 --> 03:24:57,440
this is that Codin's will win again at Mania Sena.

3647
03:24:57,479 --> 03:24:59,680
We'll go on a retribution face turn later this year,

3648
03:24:59,719 --> 03:25:01,760
and when the belt on December thirty first in Boston,

3649
03:25:01,840 --> 03:25:04,120
only to be cashed in on by minding the bank

3650
03:25:04,159 --> 03:25:06,959
winner to Logan Paul book it all right. I like that.

3651
03:25:07,920 --> 03:25:10,440
That's a kind of specific prediction I can get behind.

3652
03:25:11,239 --> 03:25:13,399
I did not know that the New Year's Eve SmackDown

3653
03:25:13,520 --> 03:25:16,319
was in Boston. Very interesting. I didn't know that either

3654
03:25:16,440 --> 03:25:20,200
I might be a relapsed fucking journey. I'd have to go, Matthew, fucked.

3655
03:25:20,319 --> 03:25:21,920
Thank you, that's how I pronounce it. Sorry if it's

3656
03:25:21,959 --> 03:25:25,200
not folked. Thank you very much for for your VIP

3657
03:25:25,360 --> 03:25:27,920
level tier. Salmon writes, this was like Austin Turning Hill

3658
03:25:27,959 --> 03:25:30,399
on the Rock and Fred Durst was just hanging out

3659
03:25:30,440 --> 03:25:33,120
in the ring. That is to say, Travis Scott, that's true,

3660
03:25:33,760 --> 03:25:36,360
no reason for Ruth. Thank you very much for bumping

3661
03:25:36,399 --> 03:25:39,840
up your pledge significantly. Reappreciate it. John, a longtime homie

3662
03:25:39,879 --> 03:25:42,079
John Byam Listen to the Show Forever, says the scene

3663
03:25:42,079 --> 03:25:44,360
of call was the greatest live call moment to date

3664
03:25:44,440 --> 03:25:49,600
for him. Incredible. Yeah, it was pretty wild. Yeah. I

3665
03:25:49,639 --> 03:25:51,360
think we might just have a reason to do that soon.

3666
03:25:51,440 --> 03:25:53,959
I don't know. Yeah, Richard Garcia, I want to thank

3667
03:25:54,000 --> 03:25:56,719
you very much for your your increase in pledge, And

3668
03:25:56,840 --> 03:26:01,879
he writes us he just he just needs more readied

3669
03:26:01,920 --> 03:26:04,280
access to the to the pls is what it came

3670
03:26:04,319 --> 03:26:08,680
down to. Those live calls, He says, He's left to

3671
03:26:08,760 --> 03:26:12,319
the sad without it, He's left to the dull, lifeless,

3672
03:26:12,360 --> 03:26:14,760
fake commentary of Michael Cole, Wade Barrett, and the god

3673
03:26:14,799 --> 03:26:17,920
awful pat full of commentary diseases. McAfee. I really don't

3674
03:26:17,920 --> 03:26:20,600
get the new Wwe have sold out stadiums, mumble wrap,

3675
03:26:20,680 --> 03:26:23,840
and mainstream reaction videos to WW events. If there's anything

3676
03:26:23,920 --> 03:26:27,120
faker than a WW performer, it's the internet influencer Cesspool,

3677
03:26:27,159 --> 03:26:29,639
they seem to have gotten themselves into. He writes, my

3678
03:26:29,760 --> 03:26:31,840
golden period was the late New Generation here up to

3679
03:26:31,879 --> 03:26:33,760
the end of the Attitude era. I love seeing in

3680
03:26:33,840 --> 03:26:36,600
my eyes the young, plucky underdog that everyone loved Sean

3681
03:26:36,639 --> 03:26:38,920
Michaels beat Brett Heart for the belt at WrestleMania twelve.

3682
03:26:39,000 --> 03:26:41,959
I love the goofy melodrama of Cain, the Unentertaker's brother,

3683
03:26:42,280 --> 03:26:44,479
coming back from being burned alive to seek his revenge.

3684
03:26:44,479 --> 03:26:46,440
And of course I love stone cold Steve Austin not

3685
03:26:46,559 --> 03:26:49,360
taking crap from his anyone and stomping what holes in

3686
03:26:49,360 --> 03:26:52,000
people's asses. But back to the current product, I cannot

3687
03:26:52,040 --> 03:26:54,120
bring myself to not check in on it, and because

3688
03:26:54,120 --> 03:26:55,959
I feel at some point it will get better. WW

3689
03:26:56,120 --> 03:26:58,719
builds to great moments, sure, but not like they used to.

3690
03:26:59,159 --> 03:27:01,680
I haven't been hyped up for rajsh SmackDown since twenty fourteen,

3691
03:27:01,719 --> 03:27:04,319
which led to Daniel Bryan winning the w Championship in

3692
03:27:04,319 --> 03:27:06,079
Triple AH and the opener and Randy Orton Batista in

3693
03:27:06,079 --> 03:27:08,479
the main event. When I originally watched Elimination Chamber, it

3694
03:27:08,520 --> 03:27:10,520
was dull and mundane up until the closing moments. Of

3695
03:27:10,559 --> 03:27:12,799
the over three hour show. Even though I'm up in

3696
03:27:12,840 --> 03:27:15,079
the current storylines, the commentary didn't do anything to make

3697
03:27:15,120 --> 03:27:17,760
me care. A week after Elimination Chamber, I saw that

3698
03:27:17,840 --> 03:27:19,760
my three sixteen tier blessed me with the laps fan

3699
03:27:19,840 --> 03:27:22,399
commentary of said p l e. I immediately fired up

3700
03:27:22,399 --> 03:27:25,239
the peacocks and started the same damn show I just watched.

3701
03:27:25,319 --> 03:27:27,920
To get the lapsed perspective on the slog of a show,

3702
03:27:28,200 --> 03:27:32,680
Suddenly everything was enhanced. At the time, the lackluster match

3703
03:27:32,719 --> 03:27:34,959
of Tiffy and Trish vers Naya and Cadence was suddenly

3704
03:27:35,000 --> 03:27:37,360
one star more. If the lapsed fan can make the

3705
03:27:37,440 --> 03:27:40,559
most boring match on a card doubly better with just commentary,

3706
03:27:40,680 --> 03:27:43,280
you have my vote. I'll be upping my pledge later

3707
03:27:43,399 --> 03:27:45,879
this month to get the earliest lapsed fan commentary of

3708
03:27:45,879 --> 03:27:48,719
WrestleMania forty one, because I love wrestling and I need

3709
03:27:48,799 --> 03:27:51,799
real wrestling fans opinions on fake wrestling matches. Thank you

3710
03:27:51,920 --> 03:27:56,000
for seeing a Mania. That's a good fucking way to

3711
03:27:56,040 --> 03:27:59,000
look at it. Right there. You're gonna We've been saying

3712
03:27:59,040 --> 03:28:02,000
that too. You're gonna anyway, you know what I mean,

3713
03:28:02,040 --> 03:28:04,280
You're gonna watch it anyway, so you might as well

3714
03:28:04,840 --> 03:28:07,799
fucking mean it. You know, you might as well enjoy

3715
03:28:07,879 --> 03:28:13,280
it with us instead of just suffering. You know, we're

3716
03:28:13,280 --> 03:28:15,399
in the same position as you. And further, we're doing

3717
03:28:15,440 --> 03:28:17,360
it not only for people that want to sync up

3718
03:28:17,399 --> 03:28:19,760
enjoyable commentary or or commentary that speaks to who they

3719
03:28:19,760 --> 03:28:21,559
are as fans. We do it for people that don't

3720
03:28:21,559 --> 03:28:23,280
even want to bother watching the video feed and just

3721
03:28:23,399 --> 03:28:25,719
fucking listen to us take them through it and paint

3722
03:28:25,760 --> 03:28:28,239
pictures for them and make the comments they would make

3723
03:28:28,239 --> 03:28:29,879
if they were sitting around with their friends watching a

3724
03:28:30,079 --> 03:28:35,600
p l E. Right, yeah, yeah, really quickly from our

3725
03:28:37,159 --> 03:28:39,200
to have our as a first initial here, I posted

3726
03:28:39,239 --> 03:28:41,239
the community threads on Patreon, but assume CoA chairs and

3727
03:28:41,319 --> 03:28:43,360
have time to be scrolling over there. So two brief

3728
03:28:43,399 --> 03:28:46,040
silly connections to white Whale films that departed. We've talked

3729
03:28:46,040 --> 03:28:49,360
about the departed, boss, you still need a connection, right, yes,

3730
03:28:49,600 --> 03:28:52,399
he says, I'm hazy on if Mania guests count. I'd

3731
03:28:52,479 --> 03:28:56,000
certainly watch any Raycomb's film appearances. But Mark Wahlberg filmed

3732
03:28:56,000 --> 03:28:58,000
the pre tape vignette for Wrestlminginia thirty eight in Dallas.

3733
03:28:58,040 --> 03:29:00,799
They are on Saturday. Who's the first famous face we

3734
03:29:00,879 --> 03:29:02,680
see a night one of the greatest night in sports,

3735
03:29:02,760 --> 03:29:06,000
Dorchester's own face and vo for two minutes Boston was

3736
03:29:06,040 --> 03:29:12,360
he there? Was he there? Person? I don't know if

3737
03:29:12,399 --> 03:29:13,879
we can find instance of help being at a show

3738
03:29:13,920 --> 03:29:18,360
accounts it would need I mean, if you got involved

3739
03:29:18,440 --> 03:29:22,680
with something, you know, that's always the key guest hosts

3740
03:29:22,719 --> 03:29:27,000
for RAW. That's a guest, it's it's it depends. It's

3741
03:29:27,040 --> 03:29:30,479
a it's a it's a come and go thing. It

3742
03:29:30,639 --> 03:29:34,000
defends depends on how involved they get. I see, like

3743
03:29:34,120 --> 03:29:36,680
if they actually get involved in like a skirmish or

3744
03:29:36,719 --> 03:29:38,280
something like that. Why do I have the feeling I've

3745
03:29:38,360 --> 03:29:42,920
seen Mark Wahlberg like a in a w ring, like

3746
03:29:43,159 --> 03:29:45,399
me too, fighting somebody. I don't know why I feel

3747
03:29:45,399 --> 03:29:48,680
that way about fighting, but definitely like acting tough backstage right,

3748
03:29:50,360 --> 03:29:52,319
I would think it would be in that era. It

3749
03:29:52,479 --> 03:29:54,920
just depends on how It just depends on how involved

3750
03:29:54,920 --> 03:30:02,680
they are, because you know, some of them no, no, no,

3751
03:30:03,000 --> 03:30:05,239
some of them some of them know because they don't

3752
03:30:05,600 --> 03:30:08,319
really care. They kind of like the fact that it

3753
03:30:08,399 --> 03:30:11,000
looks exactly like John Cena. I mean, I know they

3754
03:30:11,040 --> 03:30:15,520
could be brothers. Seriously and on GoldenEye to Mina. You know,

3755
03:30:15,719 --> 03:30:19,959
WWE's Tamena, Jimmy Snook's daughter claims, seemingly in earnest on

3756
03:30:20,040 --> 03:30:22,319
an episode of Xavier Woods YouTube video game channel from

3757
03:30:22,360 --> 03:30:24,639
nine years ago, that she went into labor while playing

3758
03:30:24,680 --> 03:30:29,639
GoldenEye sixty four. Yeah, no, no, good, good, nice. Those

3759
03:30:29,639 --> 03:30:31,760
are unique ones. I appreciate it. I do appreciate that,

3760
03:30:32,559 --> 03:30:34,120
but you know, we gotta find a way to get that.

3761
03:30:34,159 --> 03:30:37,799
The padded, Absolutely, the podded. Jennifer Guessel. We want to

3762
03:30:37,799 --> 03:30:41,000
thank you very much for your pledge. Andrew says Polsky,

3763
03:30:41,079 --> 03:30:48,600
call off Kowalski and Pantera the four borschmen. I don't disagree, Bruno,

3764
03:30:48,680 --> 03:30:50,639
thanks very much for the pledge. I think we shouted

3765
03:30:50,680 --> 03:30:54,000
you out earlier, but what's what's the difference? Medio Drive,

3766
03:30:54,040 --> 03:30:55,760
I want to thank you very much for joining the

3767
03:30:55,799 --> 03:30:59,200
executive producer to here nicely. Don Daniel Beasley jumping up

3768
03:30:59,639 --> 03:31:02,280
to that E P tr L T I d C.

3769
03:31:02,440 --> 03:31:05,479
Thank you very much for your generous pledge. Okmar jav Ed,

3770
03:31:05,520 --> 03:31:09,200
thank you very much for boosting your contribution to the

3771
03:31:09,239 --> 03:31:12,680
coffer is. Adam Osborne, thank you very much for lifting

3772
03:31:12,799 --> 03:31:16,000
us up with your renumeration. Ryan writes to us, I

3773
03:31:16,040 --> 03:31:18,040
think Sid was really met up. He named his son

3774
03:31:18,079 --> 03:31:32,680
Frank right after Vienna's. They're Frank's franken beans. He writes,

3775
03:31:32,719 --> 03:31:35,479
nothing says intimidating like a man named Frank vishes. So

3776
03:31:35,840 --> 03:31:39,440
he's really even like he's like he's like, you know,

3777
03:31:41,239 --> 03:31:43,159
when he when he gets upset at Frank for not

3778
03:31:43,239 --> 03:31:45,479
delivering the Vienna's, he's basically saying, why aren't you taking

3779
03:31:45,479 --> 03:31:50,520
care of your brothers? You know, go to Frank ki

3780
03:31:50,680 --> 03:31:53,319
the fucking Vienna's. It's like, why aren't you taking care

3781
03:31:53,319 --> 03:31:56,120
of your driving, your driving your your siblings to school?

3782
03:31:56,239 --> 03:32:04,479
The correct question, Corey Barnett, thanks for the pledge. James writes,

3783
03:32:04,639 --> 03:32:06,440
I snp seen his entrance into the match with the

3784
03:32:06,479 --> 03:32:08,600
watch along, and this is why I put down that scratch.

3785
03:32:08,639 --> 03:32:10,959
Every month, Boz, it pays to be part of those

3786
03:32:11,040 --> 03:32:14,040
premium live calls. That's all I think that's coming across.

3787
03:32:14,879 --> 03:32:17,520
That's huge, Zach Wright. Huge. One of the reasons I

3788
03:32:17,520 --> 03:32:19,360
can't watch wrestling anymore is the fans trying to be

3789
03:32:19,399 --> 03:32:21,239
a part of the show and acting like they've been

3790
03:32:21,280 --> 03:32:24,840
trained to act, making fake dramatic faces and reactions, which

3791
03:32:24,879 --> 03:32:26,879
we know is fake because I watch wrestling from all

3792
03:32:26,920 --> 03:32:29,680
the eighties and nineties without anyone looking like these fools.

3793
03:32:30,239 --> 03:32:33,000
Wrestling's fake and these people are fakeer than fake. I

3794
03:32:33,000 --> 03:32:35,479
think he nails it. He says they watch movies like YouTube,

3795
03:32:35,520 --> 03:32:39,239
people recording their reactions. Mmmm, you know what I mean.

3796
03:32:39,399 --> 03:32:41,159
It's true. We don't see you know, we just watched

3797
03:32:41,200 --> 03:32:45,520
the fucking European rampage. Nobody's nobody's got the camera in

3798
03:32:45,600 --> 03:32:50,360
mind when they're reacting with absolute jubilation to what's happening exactly.

3799
03:32:51,520 --> 03:32:53,840
Marty f thanks very much for your pledge. A Panda,

3800
03:32:53,959 --> 03:32:55,680
thank you very much, and we'll come in. Ben Ounsley

3801
03:32:55,760 --> 03:32:57,879
could see you, my friend. Thanks for the pledge. Jack Tracy,

3802
03:32:58,000 --> 03:33:02,600
thanks for the increased denomination. Ethan Allen, thank you very

3803
03:33:02,680 --> 03:33:06,479
much for the cake the old friend pav Wrestling gives.

3804
03:33:06,520 --> 03:33:08,879
Want to thank you very much for getting back into

3805
03:33:08,959 --> 03:33:11,239
the circle and for the support. Ronnie Cathy, thank you

3806
03:33:11,360 --> 03:33:14,200
very much for your generous donation. Jesse Harrison, thank you

3807
03:33:14,319 --> 03:33:16,159
very much for joining us on Patreon. Same to you,

3808
03:33:16,280 --> 03:33:19,120
Ali Scott Studdy, always a rock solid supporter. Thanks for

3809
03:33:19,159 --> 03:33:22,200
your recent increase. Evan Grenado, thank you very much for

3810
03:33:22,319 --> 03:33:25,000
the cake. We appreciate it. Christopher Blow. Great to have you.

3811
03:33:25,079 --> 03:33:28,280
Morgan Cameron, thanks very much for the cake. Darren Hughes,

3812
03:33:28,319 --> 03:33:29,799
I want to thank you very much for your pledge

3813
03:33:29,840 --> 03:33:33,159
on Patreon. Same to you, Nicholas Chippara and budakan Ace

3814
03:33:33,239 --> 03:33:36,600
who also came through Strong Thomas d had to elevate

3815
03:33:36,799 --> 03:33:39,399
that pledge. He had to qualify himself for VIP treatment.

3816
03:33:40,000 --> 03:33:43,280
Mister fake entertainment too rites. According to Wikipedia, Haystax Calhoun

3817
03:33:43,760 --> 03:33:46,360
was confined to a double wide trailer. I picture an

3818
03:33:46,399 --> 03:33:49,040
old brown and flower print couch, warned to Hell that

3819
03:33:49,120 --> 03:33:53,680
he never moved from Gilbert Grape's mom style. You picture

3820
03:33:53,719 --> 03:33:57,559
the same. Yeah, I guess so sure. I enjoy that.

3821
03:33:57,680 --> 03:34:02,680
I enjoy the Yeah. That's funny, right, funny to think

3822
03:34:03,239 --> 03:34:05,959
that's a movie. That's a movie, definitely, Haystacks callown movies

3823
03:34:06,000 --> 03:34:08,639
definitely a thing and our own. Haystacks writes The boss

3824
03:34:08,680 --> 03:34:11,959
Man deserves a sag Award for his lynch impersonation and

3825
03:34:12,079 --> 03:34:15,319
has discussed previously. Humans require boundaries in order to thrive,

3826
03:34:15,440 --> 03:34:19,040
he writes, but humans also have a need to press

3827
03:34:19,079 --> 03:34:22,000
against those boundaries so that they can expand their fields

3828
03:34:22,200 --> 03:34:25,879
of exploration, and that's precisely what's happening here, he writes

3829
03:34:25,959 --> 03:34:29,360
in the Lynch tribute. This is the pinnacle, he says

3830
03:34:29,639 --> 03:34:35,600
of UTC thus far, Wow, no slink acclaim, and hall

3831
03:34:35,680 --> 03:34:37,799
Cogan follows it up with while it's a shame that

3832
03:34:37,920 --> 03:34:40,239
it took his death to get here, I absolutely cherish

3833
03:34:40,440 --> 03:34:42,000
lapsed David Lynch