Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the program. Recently,
Speaker 1: we were talking about the sealed search warrant from Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: and if that was going to be unsealed or not. Well,
Speaker 1: lo and behold, that bad boy has been unsealed, and
Speaker 1: we're definitely going to go through it line by line.
Speaker 1: But before we add the actual warrant to the catalog,
Speaker 1: we're going to dive into this article from Fox News
Speaker 1: and kind of get an overview about what they found
Speaker 1: when they executed this search warrant. This article was published
Speaker 1: by Fox News headline Idaho murders Brian Coberger's Pennsylvania warrants unsealed.
Speaker 1: The warrant had been sealed for sixty days. This article
Speaker 1: is authored by Michael Ruiz. A Pennsylvania court has unsealed
Speaker 1: the December thirtieth search warrant in the Idaho student murders case,
Speaker 1: which led to the arrest of suspect Brian Koberger at
Speaker 1: his parent house in the Pocono Mountains nearly seven weeks
Speaker 1: after the slayings. Police seized a number of new items
Speaker 1: at the home, including medical style gloves, a black sweatshirt
Speaker 1: size thirteen Nike sneakers, and they also took a buckle swab.
Speaker 1: And what a buckle swab is is when they take
Speaker 1: some of the cells from inside of your cheek. So
Speaker 1: like when you see one of those cop movies or
Speaker 1: cop shows and they're getting the DNA from somebody from
Speaker 1: the side of their.
Speaker 2: Cheek, that's a buckle swab.
Speaker 1: And as far as the Nike shoes go, I took
Speaker 1: a look around at some Nike's, just a quick look.
Speaker 1: I didn't go too deep, but looking at Nike shoes
Speaker 1: that have similar soles to Vans, I came up pretty short.
Speaker 1: There really aren't too many shoes out there with a
Speaker 1: similar pattern to the Van shoe. But we have to remember,
Speaker 1: all we heard was a diamond shaped latent print, so
Speaker 1: that could be construed several different ways, and until we
Speaker 1: have more context, we don't really know one way or
Speaker 1: the other. Now, likely he was wearing some Vans, or
Speaker 1: whoever committed these murders was wearing a pair of Vans,
Speaker 1: but we can't discount the fact that there might be
Speaker 1: another pair of shoes out there that share a similar
Speaker 1: soul pattern. I know I'm not an expert in shoes,
Speaker 1: you know, an old ass man these days, So I'm
Speaker 1: not really hip on what all the cool shoes are,
Speaker 1: but I'm guessing not many of them have the same
Speaker 1: soul as a pair of vans, So them retrieving the
Speaker 1: pair of Nikes here is pretty interesting. Honestly, what could
Speaker 1: those nikes have to do with what happened in Moscow?
Speaker 1: Maybe nothing, but the investigators thought that they were significant
Speaker 1: enough that they're going to swoop them up with this
Speaker 1: search warrant. Coburger, a twenty eight year old criminology PhD
Speaker 1: student at Washington State University during the attack, is accused
Speaker 1: of ambushing before University of Idaho students in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, right on November thirteenth. The schools are
Speaker 1: about seven miles apart, and it's crazy to think how
Speaker 1: many of these killers end up murdering people so close
Speaker 1: to their own home. I would think that if you're
Speaker 1: going to be a killer, that you'd want to do
Speaker 1: it somewhere far from where you live. But it seems
Speaker 1: like all of these killers, or at least a vast
Speaker 1: majority of them at the very least, commit a few
Speaker 1: of these crimes close to home. And then you look
Speaker 1: at a guy like Israel Keys, who really planned out
Speaker 1: his murders and traveled across country to do it. And
Speaker 1: the reason he was caught was because he committed a
Speaker 1: crime close to home. So these guys that do this
Speaker 1: close to home, it's only a matter of time before
Speaker 1: they get nailed.
Speaker 2: Even BTK.
Speaker 1: Look how long he was active, and he was praying
Speaker 1: on a community that he was living in, but eventually
Speaker 1: he got too cute and he got nailed. The attack
Speaker 1: killed twenty one year old Klee Gonsalves and Madison, along
Speaker 1: with their twenty year old housemaids Anna Kernodle and her
Speaker 1: boyfriend Ethan Chapin, and according to the warrant, a few
Speaker 1: of the items that were seized was one Defiant silver flashlight,
Speaker 1: four medical style gloves, white Arizona Gene Company large T shirt,
Speaker 1: Champion Washington Cougar large black sweatshirt, a pair of black
Speaker 1: and white sized thirteen Nike shoes, a pair of black
Speaker 1: under armour socks, under armour, black large shorts, under armour,
Speaker 1: black Boxer large, and one bucle swab. I guess it's
Speaker 1: safe to say that Brian Coberger liked to rock some
Speaker 1: under armour, huh. According to the court documents, police found
Speaker 1: a k bar knife sheath near a Mogan's body and
Speaker 1: recovered a DNA sample from the snap. That DNA was
Speaker 1: a familial match for another sample taken from the trash
Speaker 1: at the Coburger family residents in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania. After
Speaker 1: tracking Coburger across the country, police said they believed his
Speaker 1: vehicle allegedly spotted at the crime scene the night of
Speaker 1: the slayings was parked in a two car garage on
Speaker 1: the west side of his parents' home. Police say his
Speaker 1: vehicle arrived at his parents' house on December sixteenth, and
Speaker 1: investigators spotted him walking around outside on December twenty seventh.
Speaker 1: He left his parents' house on December twenty eighth, and
Speaker 1: investigators observed him traveling to various locations in Monroe County.
Speaker 1: After a tactical raid at his parents' home on December thirtieth,
Speaker 1: police searched the house and attached garage, a shed, and
Speaker 1: his car. Other items they seized include a silver flashlight
Speaker 1: and several other articles of clothing. And I have no
Speaker 1: idea how significant any of that clothing is going to be.
Speaker 1: We're talking about quite some time between when the murders
Speaker 1: occurred and when he was arrested, so he had plenty
Speaker 1: of time to clean those clothes up, put him in
Speaker 1: the wash, whatever. But is that going to get rid
Speaker 1: of all of the evidence. With the technology they have
Speaker 1: these days, who the hell knows they can pull stuff
Speaker 1: out of the most minute little sample that they're able
Speaker 1: to pull from a crime scene. So I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: resting easy if I was Brian Coburger and I happened
Speaker 1: to have any of these items of clothing on when
Speaker 1: these crimes occurred, because if that's the case, they're going
Speaker 1: to be able to find the DNA on the clothing. However,
Speaker 1: like I've said several times, I don't think that Brian
Speaker 1: Coburger has the clothes anymore. If he is the person
Speaker 1: the government's telling us he is, then he got rid
Speaker 1: of all of those clothes, right, he got rid of
Speaker 1: the knife. Why would he hold on to any.
Speaker 2: Of that stuff?
Speaker 1: That would just be absolutely insane. And if he had it,
Speaker 1: well where is it? They rated his apartment, they raided
Speaker 1: his office, they rated his parents' house, and they have
Speaker 1: his car. So unless he has it hidden in the cloud,
Speaker 1: chances are he already ditched it. While the warrant application
Speaker 1: specifically asked for permission to seize and search Coburger's devices.
Speaker 1: The inventory have seized items doesn't mention any However, investigators
Speaker 1: did note in their filing that his cell phone appeared
Speaker 1: to be in the vicinity, so that's pretty interesting. They
Speaker 1: haven't said that they've seized a cell phone yet, and
Speaker 1: we have seen the warrant from his apartment, and now
Speaker 1: we have seen the warrant from when he was arrested.
Speaker 1: So did they not seize a cell phone from him?
Speaker 1: I find that hard to believe. I guess maybe with
Speaker 1: it being in the vicinity here, that's something that they
Speaker 1: could have swooped up as well, given probable cause.
Speaker 2: But I can't confirm that. I don't know one way
Speaker 2: or the other.
Speaker 1: So that's going to be something we're going to have
Speaker 1: to try and figure out and get a little more
Speaker 1: context on as far as if a cell phone or
Speaker 1: an electronical device besides the comput was seized. Coburger is
Speaker 1: being held in the Lata County Jail in Moscow, Idaho,
Speaker 1: without bail. He faces four counts, a first degree murder
Speaker 1: and a felony burglary charge. He's due back in court
Speaker 1: on June twenty six for a preliminary hearing where his
Speaker 1: defense plans to challenge the evidence against him. Well, you
Speaker 1: can count me amongst the people who are very interested
Speaker 1: in seeing how Brian Coohberger plans on doing that, considering
Speaker 1: we haven't heard anything as far as anyone else who
Speaker 1: could have been involved, or anything that would lead us
Speaker 1: to believe that Brian Cohberger isn't the right guy. So
Speaker 1: I don't know how he plans to challenge this evidence
Speaker 1: against him. Obviously the basics right, Gonna pull holes in it,
Speaker 1: gonna try and have better experts than the experts being
Speaker 1: provided by the prosecution, and remember their goal is just
Speaker 1: to seed enough doubt that one or two of the
Speaker 1: jurors don't believe that Brian Coberger is the man that
Speaker 1: the government is saying that he is. But I have
Speaker 1: no idea how they plan on doing that. Authorities have
Speaker 1: not publicly established a motive for the attack, but allege
Speaker 1: that Coburger stalked the victim's house at least a dozen
Speaker 1: times before the slayings end returned once more to the
Speaker 1: scene hours later. And as far as motive, we have
Speaker 1: no concrete evidence one way or the other. Now there's
Speaker 1: a bunch of circumstantial evidence that would lead us to
Speaker 1: believe that Brian Coberger was stalking at the very least
Speaker 1: one of these girls. And if you add up all
Speaker 1: of that circumstantial evidence together, it provides a pretty damning
Speaker 1: picture for Brian Coburger. So we'll see what his defense
Speaker 1: comes up with, and we'll see what kind of strategy
Speaker 1: they end up unfurling, because Brian Coberger is certainly facing
Speaker 1: fourth down and long and in need of a Hell Mary.
Speaker 1: All Right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one.
Speaker 1: Like I said said earlier, we're going to go through
Speaker 1: the actual warrants themselves and add them to the catalog
Speaker 1: like we do all of the other court documents. All Right, folks,
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for this one. All of the
Speaker 1: information that goes with the episode can be found in
Speaker 1: the description box. What's up, everyone, and welcome back to
Speaker 1: the program. Earlier we were talking about the extradition process
Speaker 1: and if Brian Croberger was going to fight that extradition. Well,
Speaker 1: now we're hearing from his lawyer, his court appointed lawyer
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, that he won't fight the extradition and that
Speaker 1: he's eager to exonerate himself and clear his name. So
Speaker 1: today we have an article from Law and Crime and
Speaker 1: the headline Idaho murder suspect agrees the way of extradition
Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania, issues statement via attorney that he's eager to
Speaker 1: be exonerated. I figured that this dude would play games
Speaker 1: from the very beginning after he was caught and we
Speaker 1: found out who he was as far as his background,
Speaker 1: criminology and all of that, I thought that he'd try
Speaker 1: and be one of these guys who thinks he's the
Speaker 1: smartest man in the room.
Speaker 2: And now he's already starting his shit. Right.
Speaker 1: Oh, I want to be exonerated. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: clear my name. I didn't do this, was anyone else arrested.
Speaker 1: Seems to me that he thinks this is all one big,
Speaker 1: gigantic game still. The author of this article is Sarah Rumph.
Speaker 1: Brian Christopher Coberger, the twenty eight year old arrested Friday
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania in connection to the murders of four college students,
Speaker 1: has agreed to waive extradition back to Idaho, but seems
Speaker 1: poised to fight the charges, issuing a statement through his
Speaker 1: attorney that he is eager to be exonerated, So that
Speaker 1: means we should expect him not to accept any plea deals,
Speaker 1: him not to give the police any kind of information,
Speaker 1: and for him to try and fight these charges in
Speaker 1: a court of law. At least that's what they're saying
Speaker 1: right now. But sometimes, after you have all of the
Speaker 1: evidence presented to you and it's very compelling, some of
Speaker 1: these killers will try and take a plea deal so
Speaker 1: that they don't have to face the death penalty. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's going to be on the
Speaker 1: table here. We're talking about Idaho, and chances are they're
Speaker 1: going to try and slam home the death penalty. That
Speaker 1: would be my guess. Coburger is facing four counts of
Speaker 1: murder for the stabbing deaths of University of Idaho students
Speaker 1: Kaylee Gonsalvez, Madison Mogan, Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin. The
Speaker 1: three women in, Chapin Kernodle's boyfriend, were discovered stabbed to
Speaker 1: death on November thirteenth in the home the women were
Speaker 1: renting near campus. On Friday morning, Colberger was arrested by
Speaker 1: the FBI and Pennsylvania State Police. Arraigned by a Monroe
Speaker 1: County Judge and ordered held without bail. He is a
Speaker 1: PhD student in the Department of Criminal Justice in Criminology
Speaker 1: at Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, just over eight
Speaker 1: miles from the location of the murders in Moscow, Idaho.
Speaker 1: And with him living in such close proximity to where
Speaker 1: these murders occurred and him going to school up in Pullman,
Speaker 1: he could have run into these girls anywhere, and he
Speaker 1: could have came across them in a variety of different ways,
Speaker 1: at a bar, at a restaurant, who the hell knows.
Speaker 1: But with him living so close, it starts to make
Speaker 1: a little bit more sense now as to how he
Speaker 1: might have met them or seen them, or how they
Speaker 1: came onto his radar overall, just in general, because there
Speaker 1: had to be some way that he met one of
Speaker 1: these girls or one of the roommates or ethan, which
Speaker 1: it didn't seem like that was the case. But until
Speaker 1: we have all of the facts, can't, you know, discount things.
Speaker 1: But it certainly seems like he met one of these
Speaker 1: girls in passing or something like that, and from there
Speaker 1: he developed one of these crazy people fascinations with them,
Speaker 1: and how many times have we seen stories like that?
Speaker 1: And then I go back to all of the stories
Speaker 1: we've heard about kay Lee and the stalker, and I
Speaker 1: say to myself, is this the guy they were talking about?
Speaker 1: According to authorities, Coburger traveled to the Pocono Mountains, where
Speaker 1: his parents live, for the holidays, and the FBI tracked
Speaker 1: him as he made the twenty five hundred mile cross
Speaker 1: county drive in a white Hondai a Lantra, the make
Speaker 1: and model of car that Moscow police had publicly identified
Speaker 1: as a focus of their investigation. So this guy, who
Speaker 1: is mister criminology over here, mister hotshot, uses his own
Speaker 1: car to commit these murders and then thinks it's a
Speaker 1: good idea to drive that same car across country and
Speaker 1: keep possession of it. Not as bright as he thought
Speaker 1: he was.
Speaker 2: Isy. CNN reported on.
Speaker 1: Saturday that the FBI track Coburger for four days while
Speaker 1: police gathered probable cause for a warrant. A law enforcement
Speaker 1: source told CNN that Coburger was identified by running unknown
Speaker 1: DNA evidence found at the crime scene and running it
Speaker 1: through a public genetic genealogy database to find potential DNA
Speaker 1: relatives of the suspect.
Speaker 2: Well there you go. Not as bright as you thought.
Speaker 1: And even if it comes back that he was wearing
Speaker 1: like some Tibek suit or he had preparations in place,
Speaker 1: he was wearing some kind of coverall so he didn't
Speaker 1: get blood splatter on him.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is, none of it worked out, did it.
Speaker 1: This scumbag thought he was getting away with the crime
Speaker 1: of the century, and he was following along the whole
Speaker 1: entire time. In fact, I even read an article recently
Speaker 1: that he called into a true crime podcast that was
Speaker 1: following along with the case. I mean, if he was
Speaker 1: doing that, then he most certainly was following along in
Speaker 1: the news and on Reddit other forums. Who the hell
Speaker 1: knows where else he was posting. But it seems like
Speaker 1: all of these sick bastards who commit these kinds of crimes,
Speaker 1: these kinds of murders, they love to follow along with
Speaker 1: it as it's unfolding in the media. Jason Allen Lebar,
Speaker 1: the chief public Defender from Monroe County who was appointed
Speaker 1: to represent Colberger in Pennsylvania, issued a statement on his
Speaker 1: client's behalf. As reported by NBC Philadelphia, mister Kohlberger intends
Speaker 1: to waive his extradition hearing to expedite his transport to Idaho,
Speaker 1: said Lebar. Mister Colberger has been accused of very serious crimes,
Speaker 1: but the American justice system cloaks him in a val
Speaker 1: of innocence. He should be presumed innocent until proven otherwise,
Speaker 1: not tried in the court of public opinion. One should
Speaker 1: not pass judgment about the acts of the case unless
Speaker 1: and until a fair trial in court, at which time
Speaker 1: all sides may be heard and inferences challenged. Yeah, good
Speaker 1: luck with that, Good luck with that. The whole Oh,
Speaker 1: you're gonna taint the jury pool. No way, that's a
Speaker 1: bunch of bs. That's archaic nonsense. Nobody's taking the jury
Speaker 1: pool by having a conversation on the internet. Spice appear
Speaker 1: and this dude right here, he's gonna get a fair trial.
Speaker 1: He's gonna get to sit in front of a jury
Speaker 1: of his peers and they're gonna render a decision. And
Speaker 1: my guess is it's going to be a recommendation to
Speaker 1: the court that they put this man to death because
Speaker 1: what he did absolutely heinous, calculated, premeditated, and then the
Speaker 1: gruesome act of carrying out these murders. This is not
Speaker 1: a man who is ever gonna be rehabilitated. So why
Speaker 1: bother with the nonsense, Why bother wasting any money keeping
Speaker 1: this dude alive. Give him the death penalty and be
Speaker 1: done with it. Of course, that's after a speedy trial
Speaker 1: and he's convicted. Mister Coburger is eager to be exonerated
Speaker 1: of these charges and looks forward to resolving these matters
Speaker 1: as promptly as possible, added Labar. In an interview with CNN,
Speaker 1: Labar provided additional details about his client's arrest, confirming that
Speaker 1: Coburger was arrested at his parents' house in Pennsylvania and
Speaker 1: was cooperative with police. According to Labar, Coburger's white Hondae
Speaker 1: a Lantra was found at his parents' house at the
Speaker 1: time of his arrest. Coburger is being held in a
Speaker 1: single cell and on twenty four hour watch by the
Speaker 1: guards to ensure his safety, Labar said, adding that he
Speaker 1: has recommended psychological testing for his client before the case proceeds. Well,
Speaker 1: that's probably a good recommendation. Somebody murders four people as
Speaker 1: they're sleeping in their bed, it's probably a good idea
Speaker 1: for this piece of garbage to sit down with a
Speaker 1: mental health professional and see what's what. Lebart noted that
Speaker 1: the scope of his representation of Coburger was limited to
Speaker 1: the extradition back to Idaho, and he did not really
Speaker 1: know much about the case and didn't want to discuss
Speaker 1: the case with him because I'm merely his representation for
Speaker 1: this procedural issue. So that means he's not his lawyer, right.
Speaker 1: This is the guy that's been appointed to him in
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania as his public defender. So this isn't a man
Speaker 1: who's going to follow him and go on and be
Speaker 1: the trial.
Speaker 2: Lawyer in Idaho.
Speaker 1: He'll have to get a public defender in Idaho or
Speaker 1: he'll have to pay for a lawyer out of pocket
Speaker 1: if he's able to do that. The probable cause affid David,
Speaker 1: which includes the evidence supporting Coburger's arrest, remained sealed under
Speaker 1: Idaho law until he returns to Idaho and is served
Speaker 1: with those papers in court. According to NBC News, at
Speaker 1: that time the document will become public. Now it's still sealed,
Speaker 1: and once he's extradited and he sees a judge in Idaho,
Speaker 1: then those procedurals, those will get unsealed and will get
Speaker 1: a good nice look at the charging document. The warrants,
Speaker 1: all of that stuff. The attorney also told CNN that
Speaker 1: it was an easy decision not to contest extradition because
Speaker 1: he doesn't contest that he is Brian Koberger. And it's
Speaker 1: as likely that law enforcement have location data from his
Speaker 1: cell phone already putting him on the border of Washington
Speaker 1: and Idaho. See, that's pretty decent work by the lawyer here.
Speaker 1: He doesn't commit to anything. All he's saying is, look,
Speaker 1: you might have some cell phone data of my client
Speaker 1: because he lives in Pullman. Now we all know that
Speaker 1: that's a pretty weak alibi and pretty weak defense, but
Speaker 1: that's what they're gonna roll with because that's all they have.
Speaker 1: So they're gonna say, hey, look, my client was in
Speaker 1: this area because he lives there. Labar said he has
Speaker 1: recommended that his client be psychologically tested before court proceedings.
Speaker 1: He described his client as very intelligent and shocked a
Speaker 1: little bit, yes, shocked he got caught, and as far
Speaker 1: as intelligent, I mean, I guess. But one thing I
Speaker 1: do know for sure is prison is littered with people
Speaker 1: who thought that they were way too smart to ever
Speaker 1: get caught. Coberger's parents were also very shocked, said Labar,
Speaker 1: who spoke to them for about fifteen or twenty minutes
Speaker 1: on Friday evening and was told it had been real
Speaker 1: shock and awe to have the FBI and police at
Speaker 1: their house at approximately three am knocking on the door
Speaker 1: to arrest their son.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine the shock of the families of these
Speaker 1: kids who were murdered. So while I'm not, you know,
Speaker 1: gonna sit here and put the blame on this dude's parents,
Speaker 1: but I don't have any empathy. Old boy was at
Speaker 1: your house, he committed for allegedly, so the cops had
Speaker 1: to come in and kick in the door. NBC News
Speaker 1: interviewed Jordan sarah Lunk, a brewery owner in Pennsylvania near
Speaker 1: the college where Coburger received his undergraduate and master's degrees,
Speaker 1: who recalled his former patron causing problems for female staffers
Speaker 1: and customers. And if he was doing this here, you know,
Speaker 1: he was doing it up in Pullman and wherever else
Speaker 1: he was hanging out. Saral Nick says Coburger came to
Speaker 1: his brewery a few times and female staff would often
Speaker 1: complain about his behavior. Sarl Nick said the brewery is
Speaker 1: located in a college town and it's not unusual for
Speaker 1: them to get unusual characters. But he remembered Coburger from
Speaker 1: some interactions he had had with female patrons and staff.
Speaker 1: He said, Coburger often came by himself to sit at
Speaker 1: the bar and be observing and watching. And when you
Speaker 1: look at that in hind site, knowing what we know now,
Speaker 1: it certainly makes sense and fits the profile. Somebody like
Speaker 1: this out here staring at women, probably fantasizing all kinds
Speaker 1: of crazy, wild shit, and those fantasies he ended up
Speaker 1: enacting them and making them realities. In Moscow, seral Nick said,
Speaker 1: staff scans everyone's IDs, and they have a system where
Speaker 1: they can add notes about a patron that pop up
Speaker 1: whenever the idea is scanned. So when you scan the
Speaker 1: idea and it has you know, a spreadsheet or whatever,
Speaker 1: and you can go in and you can put notes
Speaker 1: next to the patron's name, and that way that your
Speaker 1: security or your bartenders or whoever know who they're dealing with.
Speaker 1: And it's a good way to keep an eye on
Speaker 1: troublesome patrons, especially in smaller towns, right like college towns.
Speaker 1: You know, you got the ruffians. People want to come
Speaker 1: in and fight act. The fool always get into inebriated.
Speaker 1: Whatever it is, you put it in the column, and
Speaker 1: you already know what you're dealing with when you go
Speaker 1: and put up their id. Staff put in there, Hey,
Speaker 1: this guy makes creepy comments. Keep an eye on him.
Speaker 1: He'll have two or three beers and then just get
Speaker 1: a little too comfortable. Ceral Nick said Coburger would ask
Speaker 1: the female staff or customers who they were at the
Speaker 1: brewery with, where they lived, and he said if the
Speaker 1: women blew them off, he would get upset with them
Speaker 1: a little bit, noting that one time he called one
Speaker 1: of the staff members a bitch when she refused to
Speaker 1: answer his question. Seems like a hell of a guy, huh,
Speaker 1: out here creeping around asking people who they live with,
Speaker 1: what they're doing at the bar, who they're there with.
Speaker 1: So we're starting to see a profile form of this
Speaker 1: guy from people who knew him, and he definitely seems
Speaker 1: like a creeper and a weirdo. But a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys, they're chameleons. You would never know if you
Speaker 1: look at it. In just these instances, maybe he was
Speaker 1: having a bad day. But when you see all of this,
Speaker 1: and obviously you have the hindsight of what went down
Speaker 1: in Moscow. It makes a lot more sense as we
Speaker 1: see this profile getting built. This is your prototypical, you know, outsider.
Speaker 1: He was bullied and now he's gonna take his revenge.
Speaker 1: That kind of sick coward. There are so many of
Speaker 1: these people in our society that it's not even funny.
Speaker 1: But thankfully, folks, this scumbag is no longer one of them.
Speaker 1: All Right, everybody that's gonna do it for this episode.
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Speaker 1: to the program. Brian Cooleberger is living a rather secluded
Speaker 1: life in jail. According to sources, he doesn't get to
Speaker 1: associate with the other prisoners, and in fact is kept
Speaker 1: under constant supervision and constant guard. The only time that
Speaker 1: he really gets to associate with other people is when
Speaker 1: he's talking to his pastor. Because you know, once you
Speaker 1: go to jail, you find God, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: miraculously you're as religious as one of Jesus's disciples. Isn't
Speaker 1: it funny how that works? You would think that you'd
Speaker 1: find Jesus or God before you've murdered four people. But
Speaker 1: don't let that get in the way of you becoming
Speaker 1: a holy man or anything like that. I could have
Speaker 1: sworn that there were some commandments, you know, that talked
Speaker 1: about thou shalt not kill. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe
Speaker 1: Brian Coberger has found a different religion that none of
Speaker 1: us are aware of. Maybe he is part of a
Speaker 1: new church called the Church of the Inflame Toe. Who knows,
Speaker 1: because as far as I know, in Christianity, Thou shall
Speaker 1: not kill is one of the most important tenets. So
Speaker 1: all of these people who end up going to prison
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden they find God, I find
Speaker 1: it laughable at best. Today's article is from newsweek headline
Speaker 1: Brian Coberger Secluded Life inside Jail reports. This article was
Speaker 1: authored by James Bickerton. Brian Coberger, who is accused of
Speaker 1: murdering for University of Idaho students in the early hours
Speaker 1: of November thirteenth, is quiet and does as he's told
Speaker 1: in prison, according to a media report, Probably a good idea.
Speaker 1: One would think that if you're on trial for a
Speaker 1: quadruple murder and you haven't been found guilty yet, you'd
Speaker 1: be on your best behavior while you're in the lockup.
Speaker 1: I'm sure the jury doesn't want to hear reports of
Speaker 1: someone acting like an absolute boob while they're locked up
Speaker 1: waiting for so probably a good idea not to wild out.
Speaker 1: Coburger is being held without bail at the Leta County
Speaker 1: Jail in Moscow, Idaho, the same town where the four
Speaker 1: students were killed. The jail where the suspect is being
Speaker 1: held in solitary confinement is located in the basement of
Speaker 1: the Layta County Courthouse. In January, Coburger was charged with
Speaker 1: four counts of first degree murder and one felony burglary
Speaker 1: after being arrested on December thirtieth at his parents' home
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. He is accused of killing Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan,
Speaker 1: Xana Kernodle, and Ethan Chapin, all of whom were stabbed
Speaker 1: to death in a shared student house. While Coburger has
Speaker 1: yet to enter a plea in court. His legal representative
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania said shortly after his arrest that he was
Speaker 1: eager to be exonerated. Speaking to Delhi mail dot Com,
Speaker 1: one intimate at the jail said Coburger follows his case
Speaker 1: obsessively on a television set inside his cell. The inmates said,
Speaker 1: he watches himself all the time. It's really kind of bizarre,
Speaker 1: not really, when you think about it. These kinds of people.
Speaker 1: If Brian Colberger is the man the government tells us
Speaker 1: he is, they get off on this. They want to
Speaker 1: be involved. They want to watch themselves on TV. They
Speaker 1: want to go back to the crime scene, they want
Speaker 1: to go to the candlelight vigil And that certainly has
Speaker 1: been something that we have seen from these kinds of
Speaker 1: individuals in the past. And when we learned about Brian
Speaker 1: Kohberger's online activities, well it just solidified for me anyway
Speaker 1: that he was following along with this case very very closely,
Speaker 1: and then to find out that while he's in jail,
Speaker 1: it's basically all that he watches. Yeah, I think that
Speaker 1: Brian Colberger is certainly fitting into a profile here, and
Speaker 1: unfortunately for Brian Kohberger, that profile fits nice and snug
Speaker 1: next to a.
Speaker 2: Lot of killers that we've talked about.
Speaker 1: According to News Nations Ashley Banfield, Coburger is able to
Speaker 1: choose which channel he wants to watch, in contrast to
Speaker 1: other prisoners who can only view what is selected by
Speaker 1: their jailers on a share TV. Why do these people
Speaker 1: like Brian Koberger get special treatment? Why does he have
Speaker 1: all these other channels and the other prisoners only get
Speaker 1: to watch one channel. This dude should have to watch
Speaker 1: like Bob Ross all day. Oh pretty tree, look at
Speaker 1: the pretty tree. Instead, they're letting him fawn over himself
Speaker 1: and engage in all kinds of weird ass self aggrandizing.
Speaker 1: A source inside the jail said Coburger receives mass every
Speaker 1: Sunday at seven pm, addressing a Daily mail dot Com reporter.
Speaker 1: They said he sits down with the pastor and receives
Speaker 1: his own private mass. It's just the two of them,
Speaker 1: and no, I have no idea what they might talk about.
Speaker 1: One prisoner who had seen Coburger being moved about outset
Speaker 1: he always has the same expression or non expression. Seems
Speaker 1: to be the case every picture we've seen of this dude.
Speaker 1: He looks exactly the same to me. He has that
Speaker 1: dead pan ass stare, you know, the thousand yards stare
Speaker 1: that you get if you're like in a war zone
Speaker 1: or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he certainly's rocking. That has that soulless.
Speaker 1: Look to him, and he just looks like he is
Speaker 1: disassociated from reality. He just looks straight ahead. I've never
Speaker 1: even seen his eyebrows or mouth move. He never says anything.
Speaker 1: Banfield said she was told Coburger had been very polite
Speaker 1: and hasn't made any trouble for anyone since arriving at
Speaker 1: the jail. And remember he's being held in solitary confinement,
Speaker 1: so there is a limit on the access he has
Speaker 1: to other inmates, or on the flip side of that,
Speaker 1: that the other inmates have to him. So there's really
Speaker 1: not an opportunity for him to wild out, if you will, unless,
Speaker 1: of course, he wants to against the guards, and with
Speaker 1: him facing trial here, I don't think this is the
Speaker 1: right time to do that. If you want to act
Speaker 1: like a jerk off in prison, then that's one thing.
Speaker 1: But right now, while you're in the lock up waiting
Speaker 1: to be convicted or waiting to go to trial, probably
Speaker 1: a good idea to be on your best behavior, she added.
Speaker 1: A source who has intimate knowledge of Brian Coberger in
Speaker 1: jail has told us that upon setting eyes on Coburger
Speaker 1: for the first time in person, it was a whole
Speaker 1: other image. On television, the description was that he looked
Speaker 1: like a toothpick, a skinny toothpick on TV. I didn't
Speaker 1: see that guy. Looks like he's in decent shape to me,
Speaker 1: and from all of the reports we heard, we know
Speaker 1: that he runs, he works out, and keeps himself in
Speaker 1: pretty good physical shape. And you have to be in
Speaker 1: pretty good physical shape to commit the kind of crime
Speaker 1: that they're saying that he committed, right to kill four
Speaker 1: people with a knife. That is not an easy thing
Speaker 1: to do. So if you're in good shape, or at
Speaker 1: least not in decent shape, then you're going to tire
Speaker 1: out real quick. And if Brian Coberger has been planning
Speaker 1: all of this, you would have to think the fitness
Speaker 1: portion of it was part of it. If you want
Speaker 1: your plan to succeed, you have to be physically capable
Speaker 1: of carrying it out. But the toothpick image on TV,
Speaker 1: according to this source, in person, it looks like he
Speaker 1: is well over two hundred pounds and is quite imposing.
Speaker 1: Coburger was a criminology graduate student and sometimes teaching assistant
Speaker 1: at Washington State University when the murders took place.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to.
Speaker 1: Hear about what this dude's up to while he's locked
Speaker 1: up and what his behavior is.
Speaker 2: But this is exactly what I expected.
Speaker 1: I didn't expect him to have any kind of issues
Speaker 1: while in lockup. A he's not going to be around
Speaker 1: other prisoners, and B he doesn't want to take the
Speaker 1: chance of ruining himself come trial time. As far as
Speaker 1: him being able to watch himself on TV, however, I
Speaker 1: think that's a bit crazy. He should be under the
Speaker 1: same restrictions as the rest of the inmates. Whatever they're watching,
Speaker 1: he should be watching. I don't know why guys like
Speaker 1: this get special privileges while they're locked up. Now, another
Speaker 1: interesting bit of information that has been released over the
Speaker 1: last couple of days is how much money it cost
Speaker 1: to fly Brian Coburger from Pennsylvania to Idaho. And to
Speaker 1: talk about that, we have an article from KTVB Channel
Speaker 1: seven headline, how much did police spend to fly Brian
Speaker 1: Coburger across the country? According to a public records request,
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania State Police spent fourteen thousand, one hundred dollars. That's
Speaker 1: quite a lot of money to fly somebody across the country.
Speaker 1: Throw this dude on Southwest Airlines, put him in some handcuffs,
Speaker 1: and be done with it. This article was authored by
Speaker 1: Alexandra Dugan and Danny Alsop. Pennsylvania State Police spent fourteen thousand,
Speaker 1: one hundred dollars per records request filed by KTVB to
Speaker 1: fly Idaho murder suspect Brian Coberger back to Pullman, Washington
Speaker 1: for his extradition process. The flight was a private police
Speaker 1: plane which left Scranton, Pennsylvania, on January fourth, and then
Speaker 1: arrived at the Pullman Moscow Regional Airport around seven thirty pm.
Speaker 1: Coburger was then booked into the Lata County Jail in Moscow,
Speaker 1: where he remains until his preliminary hearing on June twenty sixth. Coburger,
Speaker 1: a former Washington State University graduate student in criminology, is
Speaker 1: charged with first degree murder in the deaths of Kailee Gonsalves,
Speaker 1: Madison Mogan, Xanikernodle, and Ethan Chapin, who were found stabbed
Speaker 1: to death in an off campus home in Moscow, Idaho,
Speaker 1: on November thirteenth of twenty twenty two. Court records say
Speaker 1: police found DNA on a knife sheath at the scene
Speaker 1: that match Coburger's DNA. He was later arrested at his
Speaker 1: family home in Pennsylvania in December of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania State Police could not specify if they are sending
Speaker 1: a bill to Idaho State Police for reimbursement, but ISP
Speaker 1: spokesperson Aaron Snell said, to his knowledge, they have not
Speaker 1: received anything to that effect. Snell said that the cost
Speaker 1: of the flight usually includes paying the pilot, the officers
Speaker 1: on the plane, and the fuel costs. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess it makes sense. You gotta pay people to do
Speaker 1: their job, right. But I'm thinking over here that the
Speaker 1: Marshalls have some kinds of plane like in the movie
Speaker 1: Kan Air. Let's get that kan airplane up in the
Speaker 1: air and let's get the prisoners in that bad Boy.
Speaker 1: But either way, I thought it was interesting to take
Speaker 1: a look at how much money that cost to fly
Speaker 1: Brian Colberger from Pennsylvania to Idaho. I also think it's
Speaker 1: interesting that Pennsylvania didn't ask to be reinverse for that,
Speaker 1: so pretty interesting stuff, and as these details continue to
Speaker 1: become available, we'll certainly get them added to the catalog.
Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one.
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