Speaker 1: Hey folks, it's doctor Scott and I'm doctor Shiloh.
Speaker 2: So recently I was a guest on the Strictly Stalking
Speaker 2: podcast where I talked about the early days of responding
Speaker 2: to stalking cases from my first responder perspective, something we
Speaker 2: really haven't shared much about before.
Speaker 1: Jake and Jamie over at Strictly Stalking were so generous
Speaker 1: that they ended up running our eroto Mania episode on
Speaker 1: their feed, and of course we wanted to return the
Speaker 1: favor by highlighting one of their earlier episodes that features
Speaker 1: a firsthand, non celebrity case of erotomania.
Speaker 2: Because yes, this absolutely does not just happen to famous people.
Speaker 2: And in this episode, they interview Kristin Pratt, who was
Speaker 2: stalked by a former high school classmate convinced he was
Speaker 2: destined to be with her. After bombarding her with bizarre
Speaker 2: and increasingly disturbing YouTube videos, he even started showing up
Speaker 2: on her college campus and at her workplace to harass her.
Speaker 1: Strictly Stalking has an incredible catalog of stories like this,
Speaker 1: so definitely go give them a follow. We're sure we'll
Speaker 1: be collaborating with them again soon.
Speaker 3: We need to.
Speaker 4: Talk face to face I've been sent on a mission
Speaker 4: to make Kristen Pratt feel warm and fuzzy.
Speaker 5: Email me today. It's up to you now save your
Speaker 5: own life. You don't want me for a life, Kristen Pratt.
Speaker 5: That's a very very earn the wives decision.
Speaker 3: Because I was like, I'm gonna die. This guy is
Speaker 3: going to kill me. The police don't care. They are
Speaker 3: obviously not here for me. UCS please. They're doing the
Speaker 3: best they can, but who knows what they're gonna be
Speaker 3: able to do outside of uc SUD it happened. So
Speaker 3: I need to protect myself because I'm gonna die. This
Speaker 3: guy's gonna kill me, and I need whatever looked into
Speaker 3: this case to know exactly who did it where to
Speaker 3: find that evidence. And so I had a full heroic
Speaker 3: computer where I saved all the screenshots of all.
Speaker 6: The messages, all the videos I met from you.
Speaker 3: I named it police look here, Oh well cap, so
Speaker 3: that there was no doubt in anybody's mind and they
Speaker 3: had a place to start because I just I was
Speaker 3: just kind of counting down the days and tho it happened,
Speaker 3: and I lived my life as normal. But I just
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that when I when, because there
Speaker 3: was a when for me at that time. When I
Speaker 3: did encounter Patrick but it didn't go my way, then
Speaker 3: I had some kind of evidence that it was happening.
Speaker 7: Kristen Pratt aka KP travels the world searching for innovative
Speaker 7: ways to better communicate with others and manage challenging situations.
Speaker 8: In college, she was contacted by a former high school
Speaker 8: classmate through Facebook who began harassing her online.
Speaker 7: So she was so for years before getting an injunction
Speaker 7: and putting him behind bars.
Speaker 8: Now, she works with law enforcement and victims' rights advocates
Speaker 8: to fight for change on how the judicial system handles stocking.
Speaker 7: And its victims. I'm Jamie Beebe and.
Speaker 8: I'm Jacob Tulam.
Speaker 7: On today's episode of Strictly Stalking, We sit Down with KP.
Speaker 8: Her story has been featured on Good Morning America, Nightline,
Speaker 8: Inside Edition, in Crime Watch Daily.
Speaker 3: I had what was called a dueling moment where you
Speaker 3: take college classes and high school classes at the same time,
Speaker 3: and the college classes replaced your high school classes that
Speaker 3: you get credit for both. And when I was in
Speaker 3: the classes, that's where my stalker met me. We maybe talked,
Speaker 3: I don't know two sentences the whole time, and it
Speaker 3: was a semester, so three months I barely talked in
Speaker 3: And then when I went to college, he found me
Speaker 3: on Facebook. This is about probably that two thousand and seven,
Speaker 3: and so I was in college two thousand and six
Speaker 3: to two thousand and sevens I think it's only are
Speaker 3: part of that year, my freshman year, and I got
Speaker 3: a message from Patrick, really nice message, like it wasn't
Speaker 3: anything out of the ordinary, and so I responded to it.
Speaker 3: And after about two or three messages, they started getting
Speaker 3: really weird, like really weird things that you would never
Speaker 3: hear a normal person say, Like he would say, I'm
Speaker 3: the Lizard King, and just like these weird things about
Speaker 3: sitting on a bench and watching women walk by. And
Speaker 3: he would write these paragraphs or essays, and then some
Speaker 3: of the messages would be maybe a sentence lung, and
Speaker 3: they would be coming in so rapidly, minute after a
Speaker 3: minute after minute, I mean the timestamp on some of
Speaker 3: these messages they were within the same minute. It was
Speaker 3: crazy how quickly he was just sending me these messages.
Speaker 3: Then within like I would say, less than a week,
Speaker 3: he would he started sending me massive amounts of Facebook messages,
Speaker 3: so it was really isolated to Facebook at the time.
Speaker 3: And then he got my phone number and started calling
Speaker 3: me on my phone, and so it happened pretty rapidly.
Speaker 3: I mean, it takes up scene. Once he started going
Speaker 3: it was quick, and I thought if I could ignore
Speaker 3: it for long enough, he would go away.
Speaker 6: But he didn't go away, and so I.
Speaker 3: Remember, I think it was like October of two thousand
Speaker 3: and seven. So I gave him a long time to stop.
Speaker 3: I told him, please stop contacting me. Don't ever contact
Speaker 3: me again. This is not okay, and he didn't. He
Speaker 3: just kind of added fuel to those fire. I mean,
Speaker 3: later on, we found out in the trial, the evaluation's
Speaker 3: mental evaluations he had to go through that he had
Speaker 3: what was called a Latto mania, which basically meant that
Speaker 3: it didn't matter what I told him. Actually, if I
Speaker 3: told the stop, it was in his mind me putting
Speaker 3: an obstacle in his way so he could prove his glove.
Speaker 3: And so it really didn't matter whether I said anything
Speaker 3: or didn't say anything. He was trying to prove his glove.
Speaker 3: He thought he had to, and that I was That's
Speaker 3: what I wanted.
Speaker 8: After he started sending these messages. He started escalating and
Speaker 8: showing up physically near you.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, So he would hitchhike to my campus in Florida.
Speaker 3: I went to the University of Central Florida, so nice
Speaker 3: in Orlando, Florida, and he would hitchhike to Orlando. Sometimes
Speaker 3: he brought his bike, sometimes he did it. But he
Speaker 3: would just walk around the campus at UCS. And I
Speaker 3: had seen him plenty of times with fem all the time.
Speaker 3: And when I saw him, usually I would just leave.
Speaker 3: I would just leave the campus and get to my
Speaker 3: car and go home. But I did after a while
Speaker 3: decided that maybe I should go see the UCS police,
Speaker 3: And so I went to the UCS police and they
Speaker 3: filed well, they filed a trust passing were I guess,
Speaker 3: I don't want to say I guess it was, but
Speaker 3: it was it was UCS States. So it wasn't like
Speaker 3: a trust passing Christmas and where he's like, hey, just
Speaker 3: don't come on to UCS property. The problem is is
Speaker 3: that they didn't really do anything. Like I love UCS
Speaker 3: and I loved their police department. I don't want to
Speaker 3: talk bad about them. I don't think they knew what
Speaker 3: to do in this situation, and so I think what
Speaker 3: happened was because of the last of situations like this,
Speaker 3: because I was being cyber stocks at this point and
Speaker 3: there was stocking involved. It was mostly cyber stocking, though,
Speaker 3: so even though he was coming to campus, he couldn't
Speaker 3: directly get to me, and so I think in that way,
Speaker 3: it was difficult for UCS police to understand or fully
Speaker 3: grasp the situation. So they did this trust acting more,
Speaker 3: but they hadn't contacted Patrick. I gave them the phone number,
Speaker 3: but there wasn't really anything they could do if he
Speaker 3: didn't answer the phone. He didn't answer the phone. It
Speaker 3: wasn't like they could serve in the papers, and so
Speaker 3: I had to trespassing word. But I still saw him
Speaker 3: on campus, and when I called the UCF leaf. UCF
Speaker 3: is so big, it's such a huge campus that by
Speaker 3: the time the UCS lease came, he was gone. You know,
Speaker 3: well I was gone because I didn't want to stay
Speaker 3: around and hang out with my stalkerd As being around,
Speaker 3: and so it was it was a very difficult situation.
Speaker 3: They did eventually call Patrick and leave a message on
Speaker 3: his machine, but it didn't help. He was still coming around.
Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't think it was going to help anyway.
Speaker 3: He called me while I was a working at a
Speaker 3: pizza across the street from UCS. Is not there anymore,
Speaker 3: but it's somewhere else. It's called lazy News TUSA, so
Speaker 3: called your landoe people. You know where that's at, says
Speaker 3: working at laziness And I got about well, I would
Speaker 3: say forty two phone calls from Patrick. Well, one was
Speaker 3: for my mom, but forty one of them were from
Speaker 3: Patrick in about a four to five hour shift.
Speaker 6: I called the police that night.
Speaker 3: I had all these messages of him, like breathing. It
Speaker 3: was really weird. I had recognized his number, obviously, because
Speaker 3: he called me a few times before that, and I
Speaker 3: picked up and really realized it was Patrick, so I
Speaker 3: recognized the number. But when the police came to my house,
Speaker 3: I said, about four o'clock in the morning. Four o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning, maybe five somewhere around there. So it
Speaker 3: was really early in the morning.
Speaker 6: I could understand where a police.
Speaker 3: Officer would not want to maybe not intentionally want to
Speaker 3: be helpful, but I think it was just I mean,
Speaker 3: anybody coming off with any shift or that early in
Speaker 3: the morning might not be at their best and so
Speaker 3: she basically brushed off. She said, is there anything? Does
Speaker 3: he know where you live? Is there any way he
Speaker 3: can get to you physically? And I was like, well,
Speaker 3: he doesn't know where I live, but he's been coming
Speaker 3: to campus. I go to that campus. He's been walking around.
Speaker 3: Eventually he's gonna run into me. I'm going to run
Speaker 3: into him. I already have like this is a problem.
Speaker 3: But what she knew about the laws of stalking and
Speaker 3: what I didn't know about the laws of stocking created
Speaker 3: this barrier of what was perceived to be able to
Speaker 3: be done.
Speaker 8: How quickly did you tell your family once you started
Speaker 8: getting these messages.
Speaker 3: I didn't really tell my parents right away. I told
Speaker 3: my roommate and I told the people that were closest
Speaker 3: to me, which I thought was a strategic move because
Speaker 3: if anything happened, or if he did find out where
Speaker 3: I lived and came into the house, and at least
Speaker 3: my roommates knew what was going on people I work with.
Speaker 3: But I think I told my parents about October of
Speaker 3: two thousand and seven, when I finally said no to Patrick,
Speaker 3: like stopped contact dad, And I think that's when I
Speaker 3: told them, And I remember my dad being like, why
Speaker 3: history wait this? Well, I think really it was just
Speaker 3: I don't know. I feel like a little bit of
Speaker 3: it with shame but feel and a lot of it
Speaker 3: was just my very independent nature in general. I thought
Speaker 3: I had it under people. I thought I could handle
Speaker 3: it myself. And I think that happens often. You know,
Speaker 3: you don't realize it's happening, and I think in a
Speaker 3: lot of stocking cases, it does ramp up pretty quickly,
Speaker 3: but you're almost in like this denial, like, Okay, you
Speaker 3: let them in that first time, you were friendly enough
Speaker 3: to see that way with them, the first time you
Speaker 3: can let something slide, and then after a while you
Speaker 3: realize that, wow, I flied a lot of stuff slide
Speaker 3: by now. And I think when you look back at it,
Speaker 3: you realize the breast of what has happened to you,
Speaker 3: and you're like, hopefully crap, Like this is unacceptable. But
Speaker 3: when it's happening, it seems wrong. It feels wrong, and
Speaker 3: you know it's wrong, but at the same time, you're like,
Speaker 3: I still have control. I still have a little control,
Speaker 3: and you want to kind of believe that as it
Speaker 3: goes on. And I think that's why it took me
Speaker 3: so long to tell my parents because I felt like
Speaker 3: I have control, like he eventually, he's up, Eventually it's
Speaker 3: gonna go away, and then it just never did. It
Speaker 3: was really weird too, because this was my first taste
Speaker 3: of independence. I was just getting to college, and it
Speaker 3: was what I've always wanted my entire life. I remember being.
Speaker 6: A child, like thirteen or fourteen years old.
Speaker 3: And I was just like, I can't wait to leave
Speaker 3: for college. I can't wait to leave. And so for
Speaker 3: me to go to college and immediately have someone basically
Speaker 3: control my life in such a way whereas I didn't
Speaker 3: feel fully and completely independent like I've wanted my whole life,
Speaker 3: was really really hard to accept. And so when I
Speaker 3: finally accepted it, it took a while for me to
Speaker 3: get there. I guess it's the best way to put it. It
Speaker 3: just took a while for me to go, all right, no,
Speaker 3: it's time to look at this the way it should
Speaker 3: be looked at. This is a problem. You can't be
Speaker 3: at the library studying and then have to leave because
Speaker 3: somebody said they were at the library too, Like that's
Speaker 3: not okay, and you shouldn't allow this.
Speaker 6: In your life.
Speaker 3: And so you have that fear that something's going to
Speaker 3: happen to you, but you also want to live, you
Speaker 3: want to exist, and especially as a college student, I
Speaker 3: wanted to do those college things. I wanted to go
Speaker 3: to parties. I wanted to hang out with friends. I
Speaker 3: wanted to have a study groups. And it's just those
Speaker 3: two things I was trying to make work together, and
Speaker 3: they just weren't. I couldn't emotionally handle it, and I
Speaker 3: couldn't handle it physically. As like a safety precaution, I
Speaker 3: couldn't do it. And so I think I think it
Speaker 3: took me a while to kind of get there and
Speaker 3: be like, all right, you know you are in danger.
Speaker 3: You know this, You've known this for a while, and
Speaker 3: you can't continue to live the life you want while
Speaker 3: also fighting this battle. You have to figure this out.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so it took me a while to get there.
Speaker 3: I started telling my friends pretty early.
Speaker 6: Mostly because they will allowed me all the time.
Speaker 3: Like I said, so it was more of a safety.
Speaker 6: Concern for me because not only did.
Speaker 3: I want back up, but I also wanted to make
Speaker 3: sure they stayed safe. I don't know if he you know,
Speaker 3: I don't. I didn't at the time. I didn't know
Speaker 3: much about stalking, so to me, it's like, all right, well,
Speaker 3: if you stoking me, you just stop other people as well.
Speaker 3: And so I was like, I don't want them to
Speaker 3: encounter Patrick and then you know, him charm them, or
Speaker 3: him become their friend and then they get stucked or
Speaker 3: what was worse for me was just him hurting us
Speaker 3: in some way, And so I told them pretty early.
Speaker 3: It started with my roommate and then branched out from
Speaker 3: there with friends, but also a lot of my friends
Speaker 3: ended up finding out through Facebook because after a while
Speaker 3: he started making YouTube videos and he sent he went
Speaker 3: down my Facebook list of friends and sent every one
Speaker 3: of them ah to D links to my videos and
Speaker 3: then they like, oh yeah, this guy Patrick, these videos
Speaker 3: are really disturbing. You need to watch these what is
Speaker 3: going on? So it was kind of forced to tell
Speaker 3: a lot of my friends before I was ready to
Speaker 3: tell anybody about what was going on, because they were
Speaker 3: finding it out from Patrick himself and seeing very warped
Speaker 3: and twisted YouTube videos and what were.
Speaker 7: The videos, like, what was he saying? What was he doing?
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, A lot of them were different. One
Speaker 3: he was naked, he was lying on the bed, with
Speaker 3: a pillow over his private and it was just him
Speaker 3: lying on the bed naked, and he wasn't saying anything.
Speaker 3: But YouTube kind of has like these little little blurbs,
Speaker 3: or they used to, I don't know if they still
Speaker 3: do anymore. He would write out these full sentences of like,
Speaker 3: if you know Kristin Pratt, let her know that I'm here,
Speaker 3: I'm not going anywhere. Look me in the eye. And
Speaker 3: then some of the blurgers would say my boyfriend's name
Speaker 3: at the time and talk about him being a coward
Speaker 3: or being whatever. And then some of them just like
Speaker 3: those that was just one video, and then one of
Speaker 3: them would be at UCF campus and he'd be sitting
Speaker 3: in front of a wall and I was like, that
Speaker 3: is UCP. I know that, I know that campus, and
Speaker 3: she'sd be yelling about communicating with him. And just look
Speaker 3: me in the eye. He always said that, just look
Speaker 3: me in the eye. We need to talk face to face.
Speaker 4: I've been sent on a mission to make Kristin Pratt
Speaker 4: feel warm and fuzzy.
Speaker 5: Email me today. It's up to you now save your
Speaker 5: own life. You don't want me for a life, Kristen Pratt.
Speaker 5: That's a very, very earned my wives decision.
Speaker 3: And then one of them not to get to graphics.
Speaker 3: But one of them he was touching himself in the
Speaker 3: video over his pants. Felt thankfully I didn't have to
Speaker 3: see too much, but that was one of them while
Speaker 3: he repeatedly said my name. That was probably one of
Speaker 3: the more disturbing ones I had ever watched. And then
Speaker 3: this really weird one. Now, this has been going on
Speaker 3: for some time, so my friends all knew about it.
Speaker 3: They were keeping tabs on it. They were all subscribed
Speaker 3: to this video channel.
Speaker 6: And we are at my.
Speaker 3: Friend's house for a Super Bowl party and we're sitting
Speaker 3: on the couch and somebody goes, oh my god, Patrick's
Speaker 3: posted a new video. So there's like four people on
Speaker 3: the couch and four people behind the couch.
Speaker 6: Watching this video, and its computer is, you know.
Speaker 3: Speeders on my lap.
Speaker 6: And Patrick goes in the video and you and you
Speaker 6: and you.
Speaker 3: And you, like he was talking to all of us,
Speaker 3: like separately, plaining to each persus. I mean, obviously there's
Speaker 3: no way for him to have known that's going to happen,
Speaker 3: but it was such a coincidence, and that's probably freaked
Speaker 3: me out more than most things in the entire world
Speaker 3: have ever freaked to be out? I was just like,
Speaker 3: we all just looked at each other and we were like,
Speaker 3: all right, we're done for the day. Just close this
Speaker 3: computer down.
Speaker 6: It was just very weird, But at.
Speaker 3: The same time, it was a blessing in disguise because
Speaker 3: I was able to pretty much pinpoint where he was
Speaker 3: at within a few days because he was posting them
Speaker 3: so frequently, I was able to kind of have that
Speaker 3: flag crumbs trail. So if he was at the laundromat
Speaker 3: across the street from US, yes, I saw that, and
Speaker 3: I knew he was probably in the area. If I
Speaker 3: saw him and it looked like he was at US,
Speaker 3: which is University's Florida, which is where he was supposed
Speaker 3: to have gone, then I was like, all right, then
Speaker 3: for the past few days, he's there. If I thought
Speaker 3: it was a house, then I knew he lived in
Speaker 3: lust or Loose, I guess in Florida, So I knew
Speaker 3: he was pretty much about two hours away. So I
Speaker 3: was able to kind of gauge where he was by
Speaker 3: watching these videos. So as crappy as it was to
Speaker 3: have to emotionally go through watching these crazy videos where
Speaker 3: he's addressing me in such a way it helped me
Speaker 3: kind of keep tabs on where it was at so
Speaker 3: would I could stay safe.
Speaker 8: So basically he was stockpiling all his evidence or your
Speaker 8: evidence that you needed to present this.
Speaker 3: I wapped all of the YouTube videos. I screenshotted all
Speaker 3: the messages because he sent me messages on YouTube, on Twitter,
Speaker 3: on Facebook, the screenshotting all of those, saving all of
Speaker 3: the YouTube videos, and I just kept those on hand.
Speaker 3: After the police woman came to my house the first
Speaker 3: time after the PEACEIA, that was when I really knew
Speaker 3: that I was kind of on my own as far
Speaker 3: as legal concerns fors and so I I mean that
Speaker 3: early I think that was, oh wow, that was before
Speaker 3: October twenty seven. So I had already started kind of
Speaker 3: stockpiling that because I was like, I'm going to die.
Speaker 3: This guy is going to kill me. The police don't care.
Speaker 3: They are obviously not here for me. UCS police, They're
Speaker 3: doing the best they can, but who knows what they're
Speaker 3: going to be able to do outside of uc after
Speaker 3: it happened. So I need to protect myself because I'm
Speaker 3: going to die. This guy's going to kill me. And
Speaker 3: I mean, whoever looked into this case to know exactly
Speaker 3: who did it, where to find that evidence. And so
Speaker 3: I had a full narrowment computer where I saved all
Speaker 3: the screenshots of all the messages, all the videos. I
Speaker 3: worked from the YouTube I named it police Look Here Caps,
Speaker 3: so that there was no doubt in anybody's mind and
Speaker 3: they had a place to start because I just I
Speaker 3: was just kind of counting down the day until it happened,
Speaker 3: and I lived my life as normal, but I just
Speaker 3: wanted to make sure that when I when, because it
Speaker 3: was a when for me at that time, when I
Speaker 3: did encounter Patrick, if it didn't go my way, then
Speaker 3: I had some kind of evidence that it was happening.
Speaker 8: When did you find out how severe his mental condition was?
Speaker 5: Like?
Speaker 8: When did you start getting those records after you took
Speaker 8: the evidence to the police.
Speaker 3: So I already had a pretty good grasp on his
Speaker 3: mental capacity after he started sending those really weird messages, because.
Speaker 6: They were really weird, not to get.
Speaker 3: Disgusting, but in one of the messages, he said, I
Speaker 3: am the spawn of Satan and I want to give
Speaker 3: you your Satan's firms. That's not something I don't think
Speaker 3: that's anything that someone in their right mind would say
Speaker 3: to someone they don't really know very well. But yeah,
Speaker 3: so I was pretty well aware of not the not
Speaker 3: the full story what was going on, but I had
Speaker 3: a pretty decent grasp, especially after feting to some Mexics.
Speaker 3: But Youtue itself was those videos. I mean, he's screaming
Speaker 3: at some at the camera. He's screaming at the camera,
Speaker 3: and there's just no way that anybody in their full,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent mentally stable minds would. I feel, well,
Speaker 3: I feel like that. I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 3: say there's no way, but I feel like there is
Speaker 3: no way that somebody who is full mentally capable would
Speaker 3: do something like that to somebody, and then to have
Speaker 3: a complete disregard of all of the evidence that he's
Speaker 3: basically giving me if I needed to go to court,
Speaker 3: he just didn't care. It wasn't he was he was
Speaker 3: in his own world. He was in his own world.
Speaker 6: And it was.
Speaker 3: Scary because if you're willing to act that way on
Speaker 3: messages and on video and have a complete disregard for
Speaker 3: your own well being, you're definitely not going to have
Speaker 3: any regard for my well being. And so that's for me,
Speaker 3: the real fear of setting was like, I just knew
Speaker 3: that if you want something so bad, so so bad
Speaker 3: that you are just going crazy over it, and then
Speaker 3: you get that, say what do you do to that thing?
Speaker 3: What do you do to that person? What do you
Speaker 3: do to that whatever it is that you want? You
Speaker 3: want it so bad that you're just nuts over I
Speaker 3: that's scary. Like I didn't want to be that thing
Speaker 3: when he got that thing, because I just didn't know
Speaker 3: what he was going to do.
Speaker 7: What were you thinking at this point? How was your
Speaker 7: life changing?
Speaker 3: My class work suffered pretty dramatically. I didn't. This is
Speaker 3: how I felt about Stocking as a whole, from what
Speaker 3: I was proceeding from other people in their reaction to Stocking.
Speaker 3: Not my friends, but the people who legally could help me.
Speaker 3: I felt like I had no help, and so I
Speaker 3: would I would rather tell my professors that I was sick,
Speaker 3: or I had to go to the doctor, or my
Speaker 3: grandparents die or whatever it was, that I could tell
Speaker 3: them to not have to go to classes. Because I
Speaker 3: had a huge nightmare the night before. I could couldn't
Speaker 3: sleep for the rest of the night because Patrick had
Speaker 3: chopped up my boyfriend at the time. In my nightmare,
Speaker 3: and I had to put him back together like some
Speaker 3: weird puzzle. And then how do you go to class
Speaker 3: at seven am? After that? You know, I didn't get
Speaker 3: any sleep, So my classwork suffered as far as the
Speaker 3: attendance was concerned. So that was a big problem. My
Speaker 3: emotional well being suffered because I wasn't able to really
Speaker 3: I wasn't able to get to sleep, obviously, and I
Speaker 3: just wasn't. I felt alone, so I was always looking
Speaker 3: over my shoulder, always trying to run away if there
Speaker 3: was ever a time I felt in danger. I remember
Speaker 3: I was driving to UCS and I saw Patches on
Speaker 3: the corner of UCF across the street, so I would
Speaker 3: have been going into the traffic light to cross over,
Speaker 3: and so I was in the I was in a
Speaker 3: right hand lane, but not so laying to turn right.
Speaker 3: And I saw him because I saw him in a
Speaker 3: crowd of a thousand people. But he always wore either
Speaker 3: a green shirt, black hands, black backpack or black shirt,
Speaker 3: black hands, black backpack, and they were always the same shirts,
Speaker 3: shirts or pants and the same backpack. And so I
Speaker 3: saw him across the street and I just got right
Speaker 3: into the right turm lane and didn't go to class
Speaker 3: a day. I turned right and left, and that was.
Speaker 6: Just how it was.
Speaker 3: Well, as a trial, I learned that his parents hadn't
Speaker 3: really known any of this was going on until quite
Speaker 3: some time after it started. When he finally got arrested.
Speaker 3: He was arrested for wooding and prowing, which we can
Speaker 3: go into a little later, but they posted his bail
Speaker 3: and that that's what that's when I realized. I don't
Speaker 3: think they knew what he was doing, because they were
Speaker 3: volked to bail as soon as but basically two days later,
Speaker 3: so I think they realized that he was doing something
Speaker 3: really bad and that he needed to be there. But
Speaker 3: then in the trial, I remember then talking about his
Speaker 3: mom talking about.
Speaker 6: What he was like when he was a kid, and he.
Speaker 3: Wasn't one hundred percent healthy as far as mental mental
Speaker 3: capacities go, because he I think I remember he chased
Speaker 3: his brother around the house with in life. That was
Speaker 3: one of the stories. He's also really, really heavily into drugs,
Speaker 3: and so I think they knew about that as well,
Speaker 3: because they took him in a few times while he
Speaker 3: while all of this was going down, I.
Speaker 8: Was gonna say, walk us through the trial if you can.
Speaker 3: It was ridiculous, to put it lightly. Our first attempt
Speaker 3: at a trial, I was on the stand giving my
Speaker 3: testimony about all the craziness that happened, and he stood
Speaker 3: up in the middle of my testimony and said, I
Speaker 3: want my plea bargain now. And I mean, everybody's basically
Speaker 3: flabbergast because that's not how it works. Like, you don't
Speaker 3: just stand up in the middle of a trial while
Speaker 3: somebody's giving a testimony and say that. And so the
Speaker 3: judge asked the council they wanted to speak with their clients,
Speaker 3: and then when they came back out, the judge talked
Speaker 3: to him and realized he wasn't competent to stand trial.
Speaker 3: So for like a year or I would get these
Speaker 3: letters every month saying he was confident us to stay
Speaker 3: a trial, and then I would call to make sure
Speaker 3: we were going to trial, and I would say, Nope,
Speaker 3: not going to trial yet. O great. So for like
Speaker 3: a year I I dealt with that, and then we
Speaker 3: finally did go to trial. He was facing forty.
Speaker 6: One years in prison through.
Speaker 3: Violation of injunction and death threats. With death threats and
Speaker 3: regular violation of injunctions and the judge leave him two
Speaker 3: years with time served. So the whole time that we
Speaker 3: were supposed to go to trial, he was serving time
Speaker 3: quote unquote, and so he basically got out, like I
Speaker 3: don't know, a year, maybe less than a year after
Speaker 3: our trials, and he was supposed to have an ankle
Speaker 3: bracelet on for fifteen years. They called me about a
Speaker 3: year after our trial and they said, hey, so we're
Speaker 3: thinking about taking his ankle monitor. What do you think.
Speaker 6: I was like, uh no, I think that's a terrible idea.
Speaker 3: And I think you need to like readjust what you're
Speaker 3: thinking right now. So they they heard me and kept
Speaker 3: it on for a little bit longer, but it's off now.
Speaker 3: I think even at my trial, I don't see the urgency.
Speaker 3: I still have never seen the urgency when it came
Speaker 3: to what was going on with my stokers and he
Speaker 3: he came to my job, I got an injunction. When
Speaker 3: I wanted to amend the injunction, they sent me some
Speaker 3: place and then they were like, oh, go to this
Speaker 3: other place, and then that place is like, oh, go
Speaker 3: to that place, and then that place is like, no,
Speaker 3: go to this place. And it was the first place
Speaker 3: I went to in the first place, I was like,
Speaker 3: this is ridiculous. Nobody cares, and I felt like I
Speaker 3: had just been shouting into a void like I'm going
Speaker 3: to die. Does anybody understand that somebody is out there
Speaker 3: will probably kill me? I mean, I had to serve
Speaker 3: my mom and I had to serve up give him
Speaker 3: ourselves to get him to go to the court for
Speaker 3: the permanent injunction until my mom contacted Patrick and set
Speaker 3: up a time to meet him at a bus station
Speaker 3: with me. And when she told me this, I was like,
Speaker 3: this is a terrible idea. I don't even know if
Speaker 3: this is legal. And so we went with a police officer,
Speaker 3: my mom, me and the police officers to the Greyhound station.
Speaker 3: He arrived, they served him in the papers. Then they
Speaker 3: thought he was acting really weird, so they took him
Speaker 3: aside and they kind of like talked to him, searched
Speaker 3: his backpack. I think they found drugs in his bags,
Speaker 3: but they didn't arrest him. I think they were just like,
Speaker 3: we're going to throw these out. And so he showed
Speaker 3: up to the injunction hearing. The judge was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: did you say that you were the spot of Satan
Speaker 3: and you wanted to give miss Pratt. You're a Satan's firm,
Speaker 3: and he was like, yeah, bro, this kidding. Other Drudge
Speaker 3: was like, uh no, no, you weren't. But we're going
Speaker 3: to give her a tenure injunction. So they gave me
Speaker 3: the tenure injunction. But even after that, he kept coming
Speaker 3: back to my works and we had him on video,
Speaker 3: and so we called the cops. They came. By the
Speaker 3: time they got there, he was gone, but we had
Speaker 3: him on videos. They were able to see it on
Speaker 3: the security camera, and so they were able to put
Speaker 3: warrant tending to the Drudge for the judge to see
Speaker 3: as a violation against injunctions. Now, in between these this
Speaker 3: time of injunction and the catching him at the camera,
Speaker 3: he had been sending me messages still. He had been
Speaker 3: making YouTube videos still, And so I went back to
Speaker 3: the courthouse, like I said, to get that amended, and
Speaker 3: they gave me the run around, like I told you before.
Speaker 3: And so finally once I got him on camera, like
Speaker 3: I said, the police decided they would put the warrant
Speaker 3: in dependance. But I didn't understand that. I don't know
Speaker 3: anything about the legal systems, So to me, I thought, oh,
Speaker 3: it's in for a warrant, Like if he comes next
Speaker 3: to me again, he's getting arrested because it's a warrant.
Speaker 3: Like this is a big deal. Well maybe not so much,
Speaker 3: because he came back to Lando made a video talking
Speaker 3: about how he was going to be at this coffee
Speaker 3: shop right across the street from the ECS, And he
Speaker 3: was at that coffee shop and my boyfriend at the
Speaker 3: time kind of stocks the soccer and he watched him
Speaker 3: while I was working. Then I got the word. I
Speaker 3: met the police at the Apple BEA's in the same
Speaker 3: parking lot, and the police looked me up. They couldn't
Speaker 3: find my injunction. Now, luckily I had this conjunction everywhere
Speaker 3: my boyfriend at the time car, my boyfriend's house, his
Speaker 3: parent's house, my best friend's house, my works, my other
Speaker 3: best friend's house, my house, my far my best friend's
Speaker 3: are like it was everywhere I would ever be. I
Speaker 3: had a copy of this injunction, so I whipped it out.
Speaker 6: She thought looked me up because oh yeah, here we go.
Speaker 3: Weren't attending. I can't arrest him. So I went home
Speaker 3: after the house because there was nothing we could do.
Speaker 3: So it was like all these little things that probably
Speaker 3: could have been handled differently, probably could have been handled better,
Speaker 3: and yet I was just like pushing and pushing and
Speaker 3: pushing for something good to happen. So these were all
Speaker 3: of the things that I was like, I'm doing all
Speaker 3: of this, and so that's what I mean. It would
Speaker 3: be terrible for someone to have to get that far
Speaker 3: and to have to do exactly what I did this
Speaker 3: whole time. But that's basically what I would teach somebody
Speaker 3: to do. Get those get that proof first, and foremost,
Speaker 3: get that group. Also, be well versed in your own
Speaker 3: scape laws on stalking and cyberstocking. If you are well versed,
Speaker 3: you cannot expect a police officer to know every law.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, sure that should be their jobs, but
Speaker 3: there are a million laws. Like, there's so many laws,
Speaker 3: so you need to know what's good for you. And
Speaker 3: if you feel like you're being stocks, you need to
Speaker 3: know those laws. So when you call that cup and
Speaker 3: she comes to your house, if she comes to your house,
Speaker 3: they cannot not know because you're telling them. You're saying, listen,
Speaker 3: these are the laws in our states.
Speaker 8: And how did you get into advocacy?
Speaker 3: While the trial was going on, Good Morning America had
Speaker 3: contacted me to cover my story because the local news
Speaker 3: outlet had picked it up, and so Good Morning America
Speaker 3: has been following my story since we started a trial,
Speaker 3: and then once the trial ended, like sad day, they
Speaker 3: flew me out to talk on Good Morning America, and
Speaker 3: so it kind of just snowballs from there on Good
Speaker 3: Morning America, Inside Edition like you said, Nightline Like you Said,
Speaker 3: and all these other programs, and then I guess people
Speaker 3: saw that I was on these programs, we decided to
Speaker 3: contact me, and I took the opportunity to go, and
Speaker 3: like I took them up on their opportunity because I
Speaker 3: felt like it was a really important thing to do.
Speaker 3: And so I ended up pulling and going to these
Speaker 3: trainings and start start talking at these trainings and then
Speaker 3: it just, you know, snowballs from there. Once people heard
Speaker 3: I was willing to talk about it, it became something
Speaker 3: that people wanted to hear, which was really nice. And
Speaker 3: I even had unfortunately to hear this, but I had
Speaker 3: someone tell me that I was one of the only
Speaker 3: people who would talk about my experience. It feels good
Speaker 3: to do it. I love doing it. It becomes this
Speaker 3: like it's like a slight high. But also I feel
Speaker 3: like I'm taking control of a of a situation that
Speaker 3: I felt it had no control over. And so it's
Speaker 3: really nice to do these talks and work with people
Speaker 3: because inevitably there's always one person in each group that
Speaker 3: has either known somebody who's stopped or want stopped, and
Speaker 3: they want to talk about it. And it feels so
Speaker 3: good to be able to help someone anyone. And so
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had people call me to talk to
Speaker 3: me about being stopped that's happened, and I do it
Speaker 3: because it's it's awesome it's and it's not awesome that
Speaker 3: it's the situation, but it's awesome to be to be
Speaker 3: a resource for anyone. And having listening, having listened to
Speaker 3: your previous shows, I know that I'm not the only one,
Speaker 3: which makes it even better knowing that I can somehow
Speaker 3: contribute to the big, possibly big movement of victim protection
Speaker 3: for people who are stocked and cyber stocked.
Speaker 7: How do you live your life differently now that you've
Speaker 7: been stocked.
Speaker 3: I do a lot of things in my daily life
Speaker 3: that that I don't think everybody else does. I am
Speaker 3: constantly making sure that there's nobody around me.
Speaker 6: I don't really like when people around me when I.
Speaker 3: Park really close to a like if I go to Target,
Speaker 3: I park my car as supposed as possible to the
Speaker 3: doors so that there's less distance between the doors and
Speaker 3: the car, and I think a lot of people for
Speaker 3: I think that's weird, but it's understandable because I don't
Speaker 3: want any like, especially if I'm going out by myself.
Speaker 3: I don't want any any more chance of me something
Speaker 3: happening to me because I don't know where Patrick is. Also,
Speaker 3: I go a lot of places with my fiance because
Speaker 3: it makes sense for us to be together, but for
Speaker 3: safety wise, he is the person who would be most
Speaker 3: likely to be able to protect me, and so I
Speaker 3: go a lot of places with him. There's very rarely
Speaker 3: places I go by myself unless I have to. So
Speaker 3: that's weird for me too because I used to be.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I've always been very independent since to
Speaker 3: always have somebody go with me someplace and just make
Speaker 3: sure that I have a buddy, like a buddy system.
Speaker 3: It's been fun, but not add a character for me
Speaker 3: compared to the rest of my life before It's all happened.
Speaker 3: If you think you're being stopped. I always say trust
Speaker 3: your gut, because you're probably not going to feel like
Speaker 3: you're being stop if you're actually not stopped. If you
Speaker 3: are being stopped, then you definitely want to start setting
Speaker 3: up some system that will collect proof for you. So
Speaker 3: if you think somebody's just coming to your house and
Speaker 3: standing outside, maybe get a security camera or ring doorbell,
Speaker 3: just to make sure that those things are being recorded.
Speaker 3: And if they're sending you messages or if they're calling you,
Speaker 3: there are a voice message a voice recording apps on
Speaker 3: your phone that will or most phones, but you can
Speaker 3: also get apps just download them to record voice phone calls.
Speaker 3: So if you feel like somebody's gonna call you and
Speaker 3: they're calling you too much, or you're getting any text uses,
Speaker 3: there are apps and ways to save that information. I
Speaker 3: have even used my computer photo boost Sevemax and have
Speaker 3: recorded phone calls via speaker on photo photo booths. So
Speaker 3: there's ways to make it happen. But first and foremost,
Speaker 3: you need to collect all of the proof you can,
Speaker 3: not saying that you have to wait until you have
Speaker 3: a massive amount of truth, but you have to have
Speaker 3: one or two things even to show a police officer
Speaker 3: if you have to call the police. And then when
Speaker 3: you before you call the police again, if you feel
Speaker 3: like you're reading stuff, you need to know your laws
Speaker 3: in your state.
Speaker 8: KP, thank you so much. We really appreciate your comments
Speaker 8: and your time and this again you you bring.
Speaker 7: Up some.
Speaker 8: You know, really just remarkable points and things that everyone
Speaker 8: needs to know and learn. And you're now going out
Speaker 8: there and helping people, you know, connect so they can
Speaker 8: avoid going through a lot of things. You had to
Speaker 8: go through a lot of the legal tangling and wrangling
Speaker 8: and things like that with law enforcement. What if someone
Speaker 8: wants to connect with you, how can they do that?
Speaker 3: So my wes say it's me KP and KP felt
Speaker 3: ka y C E E dot com. You can go
Speaker 3: on there, there's a contact sheet with my email address,
Speaker 3: or you can just send me an email through the website.
Speaker 3: I'm always available that way, and you can find me
Speaker 3: on social media at kristin Malikan so you can figure
Speaker 3: out how to sell it is kr I S C
Speaker 3: E N M I l I C k I N S.
Speaker 3: And I'm also available on Facebook as Kristen Pratt, so
Speaker 3: I'm available everywhere. I have a Twitter at KP super
Speaker 3: eavy K a Y P E E. S. And so
Speaker 3: you can google my name, which is awesome, or you
Speaker 3: can find me on any one of those senis and
Speaker 3: on my website. I also am building right now.
Speaker 6: Resources for people to find their.
Speaker 3: Lags in their stage for cyberstock and stockings a little
Speaker 3: ways away. I only have Labama right now, but I'm
Speaker 3: working on it, so hopefully that'll help you in the
Speaker 3: main time. But they can always contact me and every
Speaker 3: one of those sentis k B.
Speaker 8: Thank you so much for joining us today.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me such a pleasure.
Speaker 7: You're welcome. If anyone out there is in need of
Speaker 7: help or is the victim of stalking, please reach out.
Speaker 7: You can find a list of resources on our instagram
Speaker 7: at Strictly Stalking Pod.
Speaker 8: I'm Jacob Tula.
Speaker 7: And I'm Jamie Babe. Thank you for joining us on
Speaker 7: today's episode of Strictly Stalking