WEBVTT 1 00:00:29.839 --> 00:00:33.439 In a world of deceit, telling the truth is a 2 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:37.960 revolutionary act. It's the David Knight Show. 3 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:47.520 As the clock strikes thirteen, it's Friday, the twenty fourth 4 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:51.359 of August. You're of our lord, twenty twenty six. Well, 5 00:00:51.359 --> 00:00:54.320 we're going to take a look at some news besides 6 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:58.119 the war. But of course, the time is running out 7 00:00:58.240 --> 00:01:03.119 on Donald Trump. According to the law law, which laws 8 00:01:03.119 --> 00:01:05.280 are we going to obey? You know, there is this 9 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:08.239 law that was put in. Of course, they've already ignored 10 00:01:08.239 --> 00:01:12.879 the constitutional requirements for having a war. They've ignored God's law, 11 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:17.079 moral law. There is another law that they probably will 12 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:20.159 wind up ignoring as well, and that is that he 13 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:24.439 can only you know, go unilaterally into war for sixty 14 00:01:24.560 --> 00:01:28.439 days and before he gets congressional approval. So we're going 15 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:31.480 to talk about that as well as some other strange 16 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:32.799 and entertaining news first. 17 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:34.760 Then we got a couple of great interviews coming up 18 00:01:34.799 --> 00:02:10.680 for you. We'll be right back. Well. 19 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:16.120 Copyright law. Copyright law in Japan is very strictly enforced, 20 00:02:16.159 --> 00:02:19.680 and of course here in America it is as well, 21 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:23.199 but not as strictly as in Japan. Here in America 22 00:02:23.240 --> 00:02:26.599 they use it frequently for censorship purposes. I pointed out 23 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:31.719 the very first censorship that info Wars got was the 24 00:02:31.759 --> 00:02:34.520 report that I did about the creation of the Federal 25 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:37.599 Reserve on the one hundredth anniversary, and it used a 26 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.919 few clips from Its Wonderful Life because there were bank runs, 27 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:44.120 there was a banker character that was patterned after JP 28 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:45.800 Morgan and some other things. But there was a lot 29 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:49.240 of commentary in it as well, and those clips were 30 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.039 part of fair use, as well as the fact that 31 00:02:52.120 --> 00:02:55.520 the movie itself had been on YouTube for several years 32 00:02:55.560 --> 00:02:58.080 had over a million views. That's where I got the clips, 33 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:01.680 by the way, And so it is an interesting case 34 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:04.360 that happened here in Japan. A man is being sent 35 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:10.800 to jail for publishing movie spoilers. He described a Godzilla 36 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:14.400 movie in too much detail. Now, when I saw that, 37 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:18.680 I thought, how much detail could there possibly be? And 38 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:22.520 a Godzilla movie? And I remember this one scene. I 39 00:03:22.520 --> 00:03:25.120 thought it was a horrible movie. I don't remember anything 40 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:28.280 about it except one scene. It was called One Crazy Summer. 41 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:32.199 Maybe you've seen it, and there was one scene in it. 42 00:03:32.240 --> 00:03:34.759 I'll set it up. There's a character in it and 43 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:38.360 he's they've got this big business meeting it's kind of 44 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:41.080 a party and they have a big real estate project 45 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:43.560 that is coming up, and they've got some Japanese investors 46 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.639 that are there, and so they have a really big 47 00:03:47.719 --> 00:03:49.919 model city that they have set up to show what 48 00:03:49.919 --> 00:03:52.879 the project's going to look like. Well, this guy goes 49 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:56.599 back into a trailer and he finds this Godzilla costume. 50 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:58.400 He puts it on, he's playing around with it. Then 51 00:03:58.400 --> 00:03:59.919 he realizes he's got to be back in the park. 52 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:02.520 There's something he's got to do. I don't really remember 53 00:04:02.560 --> 00:04:04.599 the movie that well remember why he had to go back, 54 00:04:04.599 --> 00:04:07.680 But he couldn't get the costume off. So he goes 55 00:04:07.759 --> 00:04:10.719 back to the party, and that's where it picks up 56 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:13.319 with this clip. There's a guy sitting in a wheelchair. 57 00:04:14.000 --> 00:04:16.040 He's got a cigar and he's done with it and 58 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:19.079 he flicks it and the cigar goes inside the open 59 00:04:19.120 --> 00:04:21.839 mouth of the god Zola costume and sets it on fire. 60 00:04:32.920 --> 00:04:35.759 Now the Godzilla character is smoking out of the mouth. 61 00:04:37.879 --> 00:04:47.040 It comes running out of the bushes. Now he's going 62 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:53.839 through the model city. He's Tommy, looks like the real 63 00:04:53.879 --> 00:05:09.519 thing to me, And the Japanese guest is very impressed 64 00:05:09.560 --> 00:05:11.480 and very happy with that he thought they did that 65 00:05:11.519 --> 00:05:14.720 in his honor. So the question is, you know, these 66 00:05:14.720 --> 00:05:19.000 Godzilla movies are so much alike, how did he do 67 00:05:19.079 --> 00:05:22.560 a spoiler on that? Well, his offense was running a 68 00:05:22.560 --> 00:05:26.879 website the published detail spoiler heavy write ups of popular films. 69 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:30.800 So the two films that they singled out were Godzilla 70 00:05:30.839 --> 00:05:35.959 minus one another one that covered the Overlord anime adaptation, 71 00:05:36.199 --> 00:05:37.720 which I think about that either. 72 00:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.360 Sada certainly wasn't talking about the previous Godzilla movie when 73 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:44.040 he gave me a spoiler ridden thing that got him 74 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:45.399 eighteen months in jail. 75 00:05:45.639 --> 00:05:46.920 Yeah, it's crazy. 76 00:05:47.480 --> 00:05:52.040 The Japanese law prohibits creating a quote new work by 77 00:05:52.079 --> 00:05:57.680 making creative modifications to the original while preserving its essential characteristics. 78 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:02.920 So obviously this is very subjective. Anybody that does a 79 00:06:02.920 --> 00:06:05.759 movie review, the court could sit there and say you 80 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:08.319 gave too many details. You know, are we supposed to 81 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:10.279 know what that is? By the way, I looked at 82 00:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.279 this and I thought Roger Ebert went and last a 83 00:06:13.439 --> 00:06:17.160 day in Japan. He was Corsisco and Ebert, the two 84 00:06:17.160 --> 00:06:20.399 guys that had thumbs up back in the day when 85 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:23.639 I used to follow movie reviews because of the store 86 00:06:23.680 --> 00:06:28.319 that we had Roger Ebert won a Pulitzer Prize, But 87 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:32.040 I've never seen a film critic that was worse than 88 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:35.879 Roger Ebert in terms of giving the whole plot line away. 89 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:38.839 I mean, he just everything that he'd Every review he 90 00:06:38.879 --> 00:06:39.839 did was a spoiler. 91 00:06:40.600 --> 00:06:42.000 So mentioned this before. 92 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:45.399 I had thought that he was jailed for releasing spoilers 93 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:50.199 about an upcoming movie, Godzilla movie, but I didn't realize 94 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:52.240 it was one that had already come out, that has 95 00:06:52.279 --> 00:06:56.360 been out for a long time. Anyone could get this information. 96 00:06:56.560 --> 00:07:00.319 Anyway, in case you haven't seen the movie already, says 97 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:04.439 preserving essential characteristics is exactly the kind of vague standard 98 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:08.199 that gives prosecutors wide latitude to decide which writers get 99 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:11.079 charged and which ones don't. The key part of this, 100 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:13.079 of course, is the fact that he made money, made 101 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:16.000 a good bit of money, and twenty twenty three AD 102 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:19.360 revenue reportedly brought him in two hundred and thirty nine 103 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:23.560 thousand dollars. Maybe we should start to hew movie reviews 104 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:28.399 rust the jail time here. Mondization is the hook the 105 00:07:28.480 --> 00:07:32.839 copyright enforcement loves, but the logic cuts further than anybody 106 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:37.800 involved seems willing to admit. Most professional entertainment journalism runs ads. 107 00:07:38.360 --> 00:07:43.439 Most reviewers and recaps described the plot. The question is 108 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:46.680 not whether his site was tasteful, but whether or not 109 00:07:46.759 --> 00:07:50.040 the Japanese state should be deciding how much of a 110 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:55.439 description is too much then telling people that disagree with them. 111 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:56.759 So again. 112 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.439 The reality, however, is that we've been failing people for 113 00:08:01.519 --> 00:08:06.120 an unconstitutional, un war on drugs for smoking weeds. I'm 114 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:08.279 not saying it's a good idea. I'm just saying prohibition 115 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:13.279 is a horrible idea. And so that's been rescheduled, I 116 00:08:13.319 --> 00:08:16.920 pointed out yesterday by Donald Trump. Actually it wasn't Donald Trump. 117 00:08:17.360 --> 00:08:22.720 It was announced by his Attorney General, Todd blanche Yes. 118 00:08:22.759 --> 00:08:25.839 Before we move on from the copyright thing in Japan, 119 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:29.120 it's just gonna comment that one thing I'd seen with 120 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:32.960 all these new tweets from Japan with the new translation 121 00:08:33.080 --> 00:08:37.120 feature that they added to Twitter, is Japan has a 122 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:44.200 weird obsession, fascination or not too much respect. They have 123 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:50.799 a weird aversion to piracy in any form, like they 124 00:08:50.799 --> 00:08:54.840 have this too much respect for the copyright laws. 125 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:56.679 I guess I've used a lot of respect you and 126 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:00.039 I've lost a lot of respect between the what we 127 00:09:00.159 --> 00:09:03.879 seen in terms of censorship and the fact that they 128 00:09:03.879 --> 00:09:07.080 have gone so far overboard, and I've seen so many 129 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:10.519 abuses of copyright, especially we go back and look and 130 00:09:10.720 --> 00:09:13.200 Lance and I were talking about this earlier. Go back 131 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:18.039 and look at the life story of John Fogerty of 132 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:23.320 CCR Credence clutter Water Revival, and you'll see an unbelievable 133 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:27.960 abuse of copyright. But yeah, somebody bought his catalog and 134 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:30.879 then sued him whenever we would sing or write a 135 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.519 new song. I'm sorry, you sound too much like yourself, 136 00:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.440 you know, copyright infringement. But what were you going to say, Lance. 137 00:09:38.039 --> 00:09:40.600 Just that it seems from what I've been seeing in 138 00:09:40.639 --> 00:09:45.919 these conversations that they view piracy is bad or even 139 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:51.039 worse than shoplifting. And yeah, it's very foreign to the 140 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:52.120 American mind. 141 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:52.600 Yeah. 142 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:54.440 Well, one of the things you were saying was a 143 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:56.799 lot of times, you know, people will try something and 144 00:09:56.840 --> 00:09:58.519 then buy it in order to have a copy of 145 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.679 it themselves. It was really kind of the paradigm of 146 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:07.399 music until YouTube became the greatest violator of copyrights ever. 147 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:07.720 You know. 148 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:11.240 That was the other thing that bothered me about the 149 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:14.679 It's a wonderful lie. It used to be a situation. 150 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:17.320 Everyone could hear music for free on the radio, right, 151 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:20.000 and that would kind of what your appetite. If you 152 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:21.960 liked that song, you go out and buy a copy 153 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.799 of it. And so the real issue to me is 154 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:27.960 whether or not you can If you've got access to 155 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.039 where you're going to be able to play that right 156 00:10:30.080 --> 00:10:32.960 away with a streaming service or with YouTube or something 157 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:34.559 like that, you have no incentive to go out and 158 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:38.240 buy it. And so that's really what has changed the 159 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:41.759 landscape for people, I think. But I'm sure the big 160 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:44.120 studios are still making money, you know, as they go 161 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:44.840 through this stuff. 162 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:48.399 Yeah, it was a conversation about things that were made 163 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.000 in Japan that weren't available in the US video game 164 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:55.320 and someone put up a meme of give us stop 165 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:57.919 pirating our game. Then the person responds, then sell it 166 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:01.000 to me, and then the hang reach Outanese faces no, 167 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:04.799 and the Japanese comments are like, what's the problem with this? 168 00:11:04.919 --> 00:11:06.879 If we aren't ready to sell it to you, then 169 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:09.000 you can't see it, you can't play it, you can't 170 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:09.879 do anything with it. 171 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:12.919 Yeah, different cultures, I guess. 172 00:11:12.919 --> 00:11:18.360 Anyway, going back to this marijuana thing, this was done 173 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:21.600 by an announcement on Twitter. Now, why didn't we think 174 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:22.759 of that one hundred years ago. 175 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:23.799 With alcohol prohbition? Right? 176 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:26.639 I mean they went to all the trouble of passing 177 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:30.720 a constitutional amendment to get rid of alcohol prohibition, and 178 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:34.399 they passed a constitutional amendment to have alcohol prohibition. The 179 00:11:34.440 --> 00:11:38.080 eighteenth created prohibition, the twenty first ended it for alcohol. 180 00:11:38.399 --> 00:11:41.799 Why did you have to have a constitutional amendment to 181 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:45.679 start prohibition and to end prohbition? Now it's just done 182 00:11:46.159 --> 00:11:48.759 by the wave of a pen by the acting Attorney 183 00:11:48.799 --> 00:11:51.159 General and he announces it on social media. 184 00:11:51.240 --> 00:11:51.879 Isn't that nice? 185 00:11:52.679 --> 00:11:56.440 I guess we've got warp speed prohibition. Just just do 186 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:59.279 it without any process, right. I wish we could prohibit 187 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.799 things the warp speed vaccine. Unfortunately we can't prohibit that. 188 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:07.559 They absolutely will not prohibit that, but they'll prohibit these 189 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.879 other issues, moving it from a Schedule one to a 190 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:13.440 Schedule three. So it does at least acknowledge. The federal 191 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:17.879 government has been exaggerating marijuana's dangers ignoring his potential benefits 192 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:21.480 for half a century, says Reason magazine. And it talked 193 00:12:21.519 --> 00:12:24.559 about half a century. It's been longer than that. It's 194 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:27.879 going back to reefer madness. And we had Jeff Session, 195 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:32.879 and who was Trump's first attorney general was probably he 196 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:35.879 was very heavily involved with the big case of reefer madness. 197 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:38.799 I've never seen anybody more obsessed with it. I thought 198 00:12:38.879 --> 00:12:41.320 that Jeff Sessions was going to be a good Attorney general, 199 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:47.919 frankly because he had come after Panera Leon Panetta. I'm sorry, 200 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:52.840 not Panera, but Panetta, Leon Panetta, Lion Leon Panetta, who 201 00:12:52.960 --> 00:12:55.720 was saying, you know, he's engaging him and saying, you're 202 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:57.440 not going to put troops in Syria? Are you not 203 00:12:57.519 --> 00:13:00.919 about getting our approoval? Right, Well, we'll let you know 204 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:03.080 what we decide. We'll talk to the UN, we'll talk 205 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:06.200 to NATO, We'll let you know what we decide. He goes, well, 206 00:13:06.320 --> 00:13:08.519 you've been a congress man. That's not how that works, 207 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:11.799 you know. And he was kind of weak in terms 208 00:13:11.840 --> 00:13:15.559 of he's kind of like whining about it, but it 209 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:20.600 was still he exposed the fact that Lion Leon was 210 00:13:20.600 --> 00:13:22.960 going to do whatever he wanted, and he was absolutely 211 00:13:23.000 --> 00:13:28.240 contemptuous of the Constitution and of congressional approval for their war. 212 00:13:29.320 --> 00:13:31.480 But so I thought he was going to be a 213 00:13:31.519 --> 00:13:33.720 better attorney general than he was. Turns out that he 214 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:37.440 didn't have all that much respect for the law when 215 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:41.039 he became attorney general. It was just whatever he wanted. 216 00:13:41.559 --> 00:13:41.759 You know. 217 00:13:41.799 --> 00:13:43.720 If it was something that he wanted, then he would 218 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:47.519 follow the longer procedure, but if not, he'd forget about it. Well, 219 00:13:47.559 --> 00:13:51.200 we have some new Epstein news. It turns out that 220 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:55.200 there is a woman who was a Swiss finalist in 221 00:13:55.279 --> 00:14:00.639 the Miss Switzerland beauty contest, and she received a personal 222 00:14:00.679 --> 00:14:03.720 invitation from Donald Trump to come participate in a beauty contest, 223 00:14:03.720 --> 00:14:07.480 a beauty contest that was organized, she says, by Jeffrey Epstein. 224 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:13.919 She was brutally sexually assaulted, she says, and thirty three 225 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.759 years later, she was twenty two when she came. Thirty 226 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:20.960 three years later, she is filing a lawsuit. She says 227 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:25.840 she wants to force Trump to testify. She said that 228 00:14:25.879 --> 00:14:28.679 he said to her stay quiet and I'll take care 229 00:14:28.720 --> 00:14:31.080 of you. So there's going to be a lot of 230 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.320 information coming out about that. I bet Beatrice k e 231 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:39.960 u l cool. Anyway, she wasn't cool with what he did, 232 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:42.799 So we'll see what happens with that. Meanwhile, as I 233 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:46.600 pointed out yesterday, the House Oversight Committee, Republicans are split 234 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:51.360 over whether or not to give a pardon to Gallaine Maxwell. 235 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:56.759 And this is truly amazing. You know, we're looking at 236 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:00.840 the amount of money that they spent against the Republicans 237 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:05.279 spent against Thomas Massey. For example, you got all these 238 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:09.200 Zionist billionaires who have lined up, you know, big Bucks 239 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:15.279 to his primary opponent, and even the GOP House has 240 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.799 their congressional fund, has kicked in lots of money to 241 00:15:20.879 --> 00:15:26.200 oppose Thomas Massey. These people, meanwhile, are playing footsea with Epstein. 242 00:15:28.120 --> 00:15:30.879 I look at this and it's like, I don't know. 243 00:15:31.000 --> 00:15:32.840 I don't think even with all that money, they're going 244 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:36.039 to defeat Thomas Massey in his district. People know who 245 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:38.919 this guy is, and he may wind up being the 246 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:42.360 only Republican left after the midterms in Congress. Wouldn't that 247 00:15:42.360 --> 00:15:45.720 be something? So yeah, they said, well, we don't really know. 248 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:47.519 There's some people who want to do it, think it'd 249 00:15:47.519 --> 00:15:51.080 be really a good idea. But yeah, you think that'd 250 00:15:51.080 --> 00:15:56.360 be a good idea. Israel, meanwhile, is having a gigantic 251 00:15:56.600 --> 00:16:00.039 Pride festival. Never had one this big there before. And 252 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:05.600 of course they have had pride festivals, They've had LGBT areas, 253 00:16:05.679 --> 00:16:08.440 big areas in Tel Aviv. They've been actually one of 254 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:14.279 the pioneers of all of this LGBT debauchery and degeneracy. 255 00:16:14.919 --> 00:16:19.240 The Middle East largest ever LGBT Pride festival we held 256 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:23.240 in Israel at the Dead Sea for four days beginning 257 00:16:23.320 --> 00:16:27.559 June the first. And so the point was not lost 258 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:30.120 on a lot of Christians who believed that that was 259 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:32.679 the area Sodom and Moore, that that had something to 260 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:36.679 do with the unusual nature of the Dead Sea. And 261 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:40.320 many people said, here we are, you know, recreating this 262 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.320 right here at the site of Sodom and Moore or 263 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:46.799 very near it. One person who was putting it together, 264 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:51.480 the producer Aaron Cohen, said, this is not just another festival. 265 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:54.879 It's the biggest thing we've done here. And so this 266 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.559 is being organized by Aaron Cohen. I thought it was 267 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:02.080 being organized by Nathan from the Edward G. Robinson character 268 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:05.680 from Cecil be to Meals to ten Commandments. I wonder 269 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.759 if they're gonna have a golden calf out there, But anyway, 270 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.319 so it is a golden calf, proverbally and proverbally anyway, 271 00:17:12.920 --> 00:17:15.599 he said, So we choose to grow, We're going to 272 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:19.279 take an investment of millions of dollars, purchase entire hotels 273 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:23.359 for four days and build a city from scratch in 274 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.680 the middle of the desert to celebrate debauchery. How did 275 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:28.559 that work out for the original Israelites? 276 00:17:28.599 --> 00:17:28.799 Right? 277 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:33.519 But, as one pastor pointed out, Tom Askell, a Southern 278 00:17:33.559 --> 00:17:39.519 Baptist pastor, he connected with Mike Huckabee on social media, 279 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.240 and he said, it's events like this one that lead 280 00:17:42.359 --> 00:17:47.319 Christians to neglect celebrating the modern state of Israel. He said, 281 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.599 I'm not interested in celebrating any aspect to the modern 282 00:17:51.640 --> 00:17:55.279 state of Israel. Has absolutely nothing to do with Israel, 283 00:17:56.039 --> 00:17:58.880 he says, ambassad Huckabee. Yeah, you want to say something 284 00:17:58.960 --> 00:17:59.200 of it. 285 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:03.000 I mean you want to talk about similarities between Solomon 286 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:05.359 and Moora. They're the ones raining down the fire and 287 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.680 brimstone on people just because they happen to. 288 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:10.039 Want the land. That's right. 289 00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:16.039 Them doing this pride parade doesn't change the other things 290 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:17.640 that they've done. Whether they do it or not. 291 00:18:17.839 --> 00:18:18.400 That's right. 292 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:23.640 So Tom Askell, says investor Huckabee. Wickedness like this is 293 00:18:23.640 --> 00:18:26.799 why Christians take issue with any thought of standing sold 294 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:31.920 shoulder to shoulder with and celebrating the modern state of Israel. 295 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:32.720 That's right. 296 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:35.359 And of course, you know, you see so many pastors 297 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:37.519 out there say they don't need any forgiveness. It's like 298 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:43.279 Paul White and this Hagey guy in San Antonio. These 299 00:18:43.279 --> 00:18:46.920 are spiritual advisors quote unquote to Donald Trump. They say 300 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:50.000 they don't need any forgiveness. They're descendants of Abraham. Well, 301 00:18:50.599 --> 00:18:53.799 the reality, folks, is that God doesn't have grandchildren. 302 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:54.920 It's just that simple. 303 00:18:55.440 --> 00:19:00.440 You will make that you'll make that relationship yourself, or 304 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:05.200 you won't have it. And of course, when Jesus was 305 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:09.160 there being confronted by the Jews of his day, the 306 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.920 Jewish leaders of his day, they were coming after him. 307 00:19:11.920 --> 00:19:15.160 They said, well, Abraham is our father, and he says, no, 308 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.519 your father is the devil. And clearly that is the 309 00:19:18.599 --> 00:19:23.240 case in many of these instances. Here meanwhile, Milania Trump 310 00:19:24.119 --> 00:19:27.759 is pushing AI on kids again. This time she wants 311 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:32.680 to partner with Palateer. Of course, Pallateer is a pal 312 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:37.559 of mine. As this person tweets out this speech of her. 313 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:41.559 As he comments, he says, this is Frankie Stokes. He says, 314 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:48.039 bragging about empowering America's children by partnering with Pallateer, Open 315 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:52.160 Ai and others to usher kids into an AI surveillance 316 00:19:52.200 --> 00:19:56.480 state takeover, using the educational system to do it. And 317 00:19:56.519 --> 00:19:59.440 we need to put that educational system in air quotes. 318 00:20:00.039 --> 00:20:05.680 I'm proud that America's best technology companies, including Meta Volunteer, 319 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:12.759 Open Ai, Adobe, Zoom Communications X, and Microsoft, had a 320 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:17.920 chance to advance our mission to empower children with technology 321 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:18.880 and education. 322 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:24.119 It's almost like a rerun of Green Acres. Every time 323 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:29.599 I hear her talk. It's like avagabor, you know the stores. Anyway, 324 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:33.359 Trump is now worth six and a half billion dollars, 325 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:36.559 up from one point four billion dollars. Since taking office, 326 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:40.759 He's more than quadrupled his wealth. Don Junior and Eric 327 00:20:40.920 --> 00:20:44.400 each jumped from forty to fifty million dollars to three 328 00:20:44.519 --> 00:20:48.440 hundred to four hundred million dollars, mostly through crypto. The 329 00:20:48.440 --> 00:20:52.440 broader Trump family fortune has nearly doubled to around ten 330 00:20:52.480 --> 00:20:55.839 billion dollars. This is, I think, without a doubt, the 331 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:59.960 most corrupt administration in the twentieth century and twenty four 332 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:04.200 century that we've ever seen. Meanwhile, we had yet another 333 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:09.839 manipulation of the commodity in stock markets by Donald Trump 334 00:21:09.880 --> 00:21:13.599 or people around him. Traders placed a series of bets 335 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:16.400 worth four hundred and thirty million dollars on a drop 336 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:21.359 in crude oil prices just fifteen minutes before Trump announced 337 00:21:21.359 --> 00:21:25.039 and Iran cease fire extension. Traders placed a series of 338 00:21:25.079 --> 00:21:29.319 bets on the drop just fifteen minutes before. It is 339 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:33.359 the third time just this month, and the fourth time 340 00:21:33.599 --> 00:21:38.519 in total, because remember there was one back about Venezuela. 341 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:40.680 What was the timing going to be of the raid? 342 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:45.279 It turns out that just today they have charged a 343 00:21:45.759 --> 00:21:50.680 Special Forces soldier for making money off of that Venezuela bet. 344 00:21:50.720 --> 00:21:52.920 We still don't know who did these others. What I'm 345 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:56.400 surprised at with this is that they actually investigated the 346 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.519 one with Venezuela. I figured there'd be no investigation because 347 00:21:59.559 --> 00:22:01.799 I figured everybody would think that it was a Trump family. 348 00:22:01.880 --> 00:22:02.920 They didn't want to find out. 349 00:22:04.720 --> 00:22:07.160 But I guess, is this all the money that was 350 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:09.200 bet or is this just the scapegoat? 351 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:10.839 Well, no, there was this. 352 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:15.319 I think was he bet like thirty three thousand dollars 353 00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:18.759 on that and he made he made over four hundred 354 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:20.720 thousand dollars on it, So I don't know if he's 355 00:22:20.720 --> 00:22:22.079 the only one that was betting. 356 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:25.000 Because I heard, you know, much bigger numbers than four 357 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:29.279 hundred thousand dollars. That doesn't seem like the bigger. 358 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:34.240 Numbers were the first one of these Iran oil things, right, 359 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:37.160 there was a big bet place in the stock market 360 00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:39.039 and a big bet place in the oil market. I 361 00:22:39.079 --> 00:22:40.759 forget which one was bigger, but there was one that 362 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:43.920 was nearly a billion dollars and that was with the 363 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:44.960 Iran war stuff. 364 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:49.960 Yeah, I'm sure it's not the special forces guys betting 365 00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:52.119 a billion dollars at a time, that's right. 366 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:54.359 Yeah, he had about thirty three thousand dollars to put 367 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:56.680 into it, and he made a little over four hundred 368 00:22:56.720 --> 00:23:02.079 thousand dollars. So that was the fourth one that happened, 369 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:06.319 and they have charged him. The soldier has been charged 370 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:08.960 with He made a little over four hundred thousand. They 371 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:14.920 charged him with unlawful use of confidential government information, commodities fraud. 372 00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:21.200 This is a wire fraud and unlawful monetary transactions. I mean, 373 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:23.359 they don't really stack the charges up on you if 374 00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:25.200 they got it out for you. They do have it 375 00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:29.640 out for this guy. So they released his name, which 376 00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:34.480 is really not important, but he placed bets on that, 377 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:38.400 so again it could be somebody in the military that 378 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:42.119 placed these bets on these other markets, except the amount 379 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.319 of money, as Lances pointing out, was much higher on 380 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:49.759 these bets around the Iran war. Meanwhile, Teather has frozen 381 00:23:49.839 --> 00:23:53.240 three hundred and forty four million dollars of stable coins 382 00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:57.559 that have been flagged for illicit activity. This is one 383 00:23:57.559 --> 00:23:59.400 of the reasons why you don't want to go near 384 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:03.960 stable coin. You don't want to go near a coin 385 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:07.640 even if it is backed by gold. These stable coins 386 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:10.480 are for the most part backed by treasury bills. But 387 00:24:10.559 --> 00:24:12.200 you don't want to go around any of this stuff 388 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:14.960 because the reason that they're pushing this is because it 389 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.960 has all of the surveillance control and all the ability 390 00:24:18.039 --> 00:24:22.319 to freeze the account just like a central bank digital currency, 391 00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:27.000 and so be aware of that these things they're trapped. 392 00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:32.359 As Admiral Barr says well, Meanwhile, gold demand is anchored 393 00:24:32.519 --> 00:24:37.039 in a mispriced risk as China is buying much of 394 00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:40.319 it and showing that it actually is an opportunity. It's 395 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:44.240 a dip and it's on sale, folks. That's the reality 396 00:24:44.279 --> 00:24:46.880 of what is happening with gold right now. China is 397 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:51.400 taking advantage of it, and as we were saying yesterday 398 00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:56.000 with Tony Ardaban, it is pretty clear that all the 399 00:24:56.000 --> 00:24:59.119 fundamentals that have been their driving gold in the past 400 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:03.519 are all still there and much more fundamentally in favor 401 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:06.359 of gold going up and the dollar going down in 402 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:09.599 the long term. Well, Thomas Massey, as I said before, 403 00:25:09.640 --> 00:25:13.640 he's getting massive amount of money spent against him by 404 00:25:13.720 --> 00:25:16.119 the GOP itself. 405 00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:16.960 And so. 406 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:22.200 He had the nearly one hundred thousand dollars of his 407 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:26.400 campaign funding of his opponent has come through the Republican 408 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:31.200 Jewish Coalition pack that's not including the amount of money 409 00:25:31.240 --> 00:25:37.160 that's been given by the Jewish billionaires, simply because you know, 410 00:25:37.200 --> 00:25:39.480 he doesn't have anything in particular about saying, well, we're 411 00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:42.799 going to continue for an aid to everybody but Israel. 412 00:25:43.119 --> 00:25:44.680 Now he wants to get rid of it for everybody. 413 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.480 That's the same reason they came after Pap Buchanan, and 414 00:25:47.519 --> 00:25:50.000 you got people like Mark Levin bragging about the fact 415 00:25:50.119 --> 00:25:53.519 and we canceled Pap Buchanan and we can do that, 416 00:25:53.599 --> 00:25:57.359 We'll do it again. You know, don't you know, give 417 00:25:57.440 --> 00:25:59.519 us our money. We don't care if you go bankrupt, 418 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:01.599 butch you better give us our money. You know, you 419 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:05.119 can't stop it for everybody. If you want to stop 420 00:26:05.160 --> 00:26:07.079 it for the other people, fine, maybe stop it for us. 421 00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:10.000 We will cut you off. And that's what they're looking 422 00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:14.359 at here. So, as I said before, will Massey be 423 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:16.359 the only one in the up left? He said, they 424 00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:20.839 have wasted ten million dollars in my race already. He said, 425 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.680 imagine if they'd used that in Virginia where they just 426 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:28.680 had an election about redistricting. He said, maybe we could 427 00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:32.960 have stopped that in Virginia. But that's not the thing 428 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:37.359 that is actually their focus. Their real reality is that 429 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.839 they want to suck up to Trump and to Israel 430 00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:45.839 whatever they say. And of course Massey is speaking out 431 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:49.160 about PISA as well. They were able to stop it 432 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.720 at the last minute, a coalition of conservatives of the 433 00:26:52.759 --> 00:26:56.519 House Freedom Caucus, and they were able to stop the 434 00:26:56.599 --> 00:27:01.279 re extension of PISA. Trump wanted it extended without any 435 00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:04.319 reform at all. It called for it to be completely 436 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:06.359 shut down when it was targeting him. 437 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:08.559 But he and the. 438 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:11.559 People who work for him are all about lawfair now 439 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:16.200 and all about the surveillance state, and so they're back 440 00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:18.440 at it again. That was just a couple of days ago, 441 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:23.079 and now they're pushing this whole thing again. They want 442 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.200 to bring it up and extend it out to three years. 443 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:32.400 Today we're introducing a brand new bill that's long needed. Unfortunately, 444 00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:34.960 it's needed because there have been so many erosions of 445 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:38.519 our Fourth Amendment right to privacy. You know, there's a 446 00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:43.799 robust discussion right now about the feisas seven two program, 447 00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:47.079 but really that's just the tip of the iceberg in 448 00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:50.720 terms of infringement on the Fourth Amendment. There's so many 449 00:27:50.759 --> 00:27:54.720 other laws and Supreme Court decisions that have impinged on 450 00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:58.240 your right to privacy. For instance, the Bank Secrecy Act, 451 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:02.039 the Right to find Outantial Privacy Act, the Patriot Act. 452 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:04.960 All of these have great sounding names, but all of 453 00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:10.079 them created so called loopholes in the constitution. Foreign Intelligent 454 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:14.400 Surveillance Act not a euphemism, but misnamed because it's got 455 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:15.119 foreign in it. 456 00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:16.000 It's used to go. 457 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:21.039 After Americans secret applications of the Foreign Intelligent Surveillance Act. 458 00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:23.359 I've been in a skiff last week where I saw 459 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:27.240 two secret rulings interpretations of FEIS the law of how 460 00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.880 the government has created additional loopholes to spy on you 461 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:34.119 that I'm not even allowed to tell you these these 462 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:39.400 were classified as top secret. And finally, the third party doctrine, 463 00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:44.599 this is very troublesome. It's been expanded. It was a ruling, 464 00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.200 it's based on a ruling of the Supreme Court that 465 00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:49.920 allowed it was a six to three ruling. 466 00:28:50.039 --> 00:28:51.400 I think it was a bad ruling. 467 00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:56.359 But it's been expanded in its interpretation to include things 468 00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:02.759 like doctor's appointment records, bank record phone records. Who have 469 00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:08.599 you texted? All the metadata flock cameras for instance. Now 470 00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.920 and if you think about collecting information on bank records, 471 00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:16.039 that means you can get your gun records. 472 00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.400 And this was done. This is not something I've imagined. 473 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:22.759 This is something that I learned about thanks to whistleblowers 474 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:27.079 on the Judiciary Committee. What the DOJ did is they 475 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.640 asked Bank of America, and Bank of America complied for 476 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:34.359 all of the records of anybody who was here inside 477 00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:37.519 of a certain radius of Washington, DC on January sixth. 478 00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.400 They asked them for all of their bank purchase records 479 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:44.920 for gun stores as well. It's completely illegal, but imagine 480 00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:47.920 instead of doing a query with one person, that you 481 00:29:48.039 --> 00:29:49.039 turn AI. 482 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:50.200 Loose on these databases. 483 00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.519 Now there's virtually nothing the government can't know about you 484 00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:58.440 without a warrant if you believe that these infringements are legitimate, 485 00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.240 and they are not. That is we have created this 486 00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:06.079 bill called the Surveillance Accountability Act. This was conceived by 487 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.920 Naomi Brockwell of the Ludlow Institute. 488 00:30:09.440 --> 00:30:12.640 We've been working on it for years. 489 00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:15.759 It's got the right provisions in it so that it 490 00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:21.359 doesn't impede legitimate law enforcement activity, and it's long needed. 491 00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.000 It closes these loopholes that I've explained to you. And 492 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:29.160 more importantly, it creates a private right of action. You know, 493 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:32.400 you can sue state employees of the government, but it's 494 00:30:32.440 --> 00:30:36.559 almost impossible to sue federal government employees if they infringe 495 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:40.279 on your constitutional rights. So we put that that's the 496 00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:43.079 second half of this bill. It gives you the right 497 00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:46.920 to sue the government the government employee. And this is 498 00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:49.240 one of the most frustrating things I've run into since 499 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:50.319 I've been in Congress. 500 00:30:50.599 --> 00:30:52.960 No accountability. I'll tell you what. 501 00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:56.119 We'll have accountability if when somebody goes to work, it's 502 00:30:56.119 --> 00:30:59.920 not just fun and games. If they infringe on your rights. 503 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:04.200 Are your constitutional rights? They could be privately and personally 504 00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:04.880 sued for that. 505 00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:09.200 You know, the fundamental thing if I was in Congress, 506 00:31:09.200 --> 00:31:10.920 the thing that I would push for because I think 507 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:13.279 it goes back to the middle of the twentieth century 508 00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:15.640 when you look at this, and that is the Supreme 509 00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:18.119 Court decision that said, well, AT and T. You know, 510 00:31:18.160 --> 00:31:19.559 of course AT and T is going to do whatever 511 00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.240 the federal government wanted them to do because they had 512 00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:25.640 a government granted monopoly on long distance service. 513 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:26.680 And so. 514 00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:33.039 They said, you know, those are your records, and if 515 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:38.720 we want to get David's phone records, since that belongs. 516 00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:40.680 To you, you can just give it to us. And 517 00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:42.559 the Supreme Court went with that. Fiction. 518 00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:46.200 Now, it'd be very easy to fix that, and if 519 00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.240 they did that, that would undercut so much of this stuff. 520 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:51.839 I mean, you're talking about going in and getting records 521 00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:55.319 from all of these different businesses, all different types of things. 522 00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:58.319 Just go in and they just intimidate the people who 523 00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:02.200 are there, strong arm them. And if it's a large corporation, 524 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.920 they're probably doing business with the federal government and so 525 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.519 they're not going to want to damage that relationship. So 526 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:10.880 what they really need to do, and they have this 527 00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:14.119 in terms of medical records, for example, there's all kinds 528 00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.839 of prohibitions in terms of doctors and hospitals giving out 529 00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.599 somebody's medical records. You could make the same argument, well, hey, 530 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:25.400 you're doing business voluntarily with this hospital, with this doctor, 531 00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:30.000 and anything that they know about you, that's really their information. 532 00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:32.680 If they want to hand over this information that belongs 533 00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:35.720 to that doctor in that hospital, they can do it. No, 534 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:38.720 we have prohibitions against that. They got to be prohibitions 535 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.480 against all of this sharing by corporations with the government 536 00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.319 because it all violates your privacy. That's the bottom line 537 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.319 I think with all of it. But it is a 538 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:50.759 good point that he made in terms of how dishonest 539 00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:53.720 these different bills are. We've got a privacy bill they 540 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:56.279 call it, which violates your privacy. You've got a Bank 541 00:32:56.319 --> 00:32:59.519 Secrecy Act because there's not going to be any secrecy 542 00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:02.039 with the you got the Patriot Act and so forth. 543 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:05.559 Everything that they do is a lie. You want to 544 00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:06.640 say something, Lance. 545 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:09.359 I was just going to say, at the time, when 546 00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:12.799 are they going to say that attorney attorney client privilege 547 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:16.200 is something? At that point an attorney could just sell. 548 00:33:16.359 --> 00:33:19.359 That's right, that's right, yeah, or just give it away, right. 549 00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.039 You know, Hey, you know, I know you'd like to 550 00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:24.079 please the government, so you want to give us all 551 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:26.920 that information from your client that we gave you. 552 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.359 Yeah, it'd be like if Zuckerberg started a a lawyer 553 00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:35.839 service where sure you can get free lawyer, free legal representation, 554 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:38.839 you just have to give up all your attorney client privilege. 555 00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.359 Yeah, that's right, it really is. It's all based on that. 556 00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:44.960 That is all this stuff really is the fruit of 557 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:50.640 that poisonous decision about the phone company owning your data. Well, 558 00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:53.279 the House Freedom Caucus members say they are unsatisfied with 559 00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.519 the current language being discussed. The bill includes language that 560 00:33:56.720 --> 00:34:02.279 a section by section summary argued compliments existing law by 561 00:34:02.319 --> 00:34:07.359 restarting I'm sorry, restating existing Fourth Amendment protections for Americans 562 00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:10.440 whose communications may be swept up as they speak with 563 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:14.079 foreign targets. It also requires queries of Americans to be 564 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:18.159 reviewed by the Civil Liberties Protection Officer at the Office 565 00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.440 of the Director of National Intelligence on a monthly basis. 566 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:24.400 Let me just say that is nothing but a headfake. 567 00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:28.760 You know, the whole idea of even having it's very 568 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:30.920 similar similar to what they did with the fives of 569 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:36.159 Court itself, which is nothing but a star chamber anytime 570 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.639 you've got a situation where they can surveil you, start 571 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:41.960 investigating you and you don't even know it. They don't 572 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.360 have to get a warrant for any of this kind 573 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:47.840 of stuff. And that's what's happening with these secret courts. 574 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:51.119 We do not want secret courts when you look at 575 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.400 these no fly lists things like that, the fact that 576 00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:56.719 the government can set these things up, you know, that 577 00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:58.599 was the very first report that I did when I 578 00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.519 went to info Wars. Was a guy who was flying 579 00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:04.760 to see his flying to see his wife is in 580 00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:07.880 the military, and she was in Japan, and he was 581 00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:10.639 flying on a military plane, and he was somebody who 582 00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.000 was part of his work had been vetted by the 583 00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.960 TSA because he worked in an airport. He had been 584 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.039 vetted for gun carry and other things like that. And 585 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:24.000 he's flying to see her in Japan. He gets to Hawaii, 586 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:26.519 he changes planes there, he gets on the plane, it's 587 00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:28.199 about to take off, and all of a sudden, they 588 00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.599 stopped the plane. Federal agents come on and say, you 589 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:33.960 come with us. You can't fly, you're on the no 590 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:38.760 fly list. They stranded him in Hawaii. You don't have 591 00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:41.119 an airplane to get out of what's he going to do? 592 00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:43.760 Catch a freighter or something to try to get out 593 00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:46.960 of Hawaii. Fortunately for him, he was able to get 594 00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:49.039 to some media outlets like ours, and he was able 595 00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.280 to get some publicity, and some people in the military 596 00:35:52.280 --> 00:35:55.159 helped him out. But he could never I talked to 597 00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:56.840 him after he came back stateside. 598 00:35:57.440 --> 00:35:58.280 He was never. 599 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.639 Able to find out why he was put on that 600 00:36:00.760 --> 00:36:04.119 list or how to get off of it. This is 601 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.960 why we have so much of the due process aspects 602 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.519 that are in the bill. Rights to know what you 603 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.679 were charged with, to be able to confront your accusers, 604 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:19.920 to have an open and a fair trial. Everything the 605 00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:23.159 government does whenever they talked about being national security, it's 606 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:26.079 always hidden. It's always secret. And we can see the 607 00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:29.519 fruit of that kind of activity when we look at 608 00:36:29.559 --> 00:36:33.760 the bioweapon atrocities that are being done by our own 609 00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:36.400 government against American people, lyme disease, and other things that 610 00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:41.400 I talked about yesterday. So the section bisection outline says 611 00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:44.480 the bill would renew Section seven oh two for three years, 612 00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:47.119 which is longer than they had originally talked about. They 613 00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:50.840 originally talked about one half years. Then the House Freedom 614 00:36:50.840 --> 00:36:54.119 Caucus stops it. So then they put together another bill 615 00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:57.400 and they extend it to three years, double the amount 616 00:36:57.440 --> 00:36:59.440 of time that the original one was going to be there. 617 00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.440 And so no reforms because Trump doesn't want any reforms. 618 00:37:03.599 --> 00:37:08.440 He wants a police state. Brian Fitzpatrick, a Republican from Pennsylvania, 619 00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:12.719 said he was satisfied that the bill did not include 620 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:17.599 a warrant requirement, something he said would grind the process 621 00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:21.360 to a halt. Let me just say, we don't want 622 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.119 to have warp speed due process. 623 00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:24.559 Right. 624 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:27.320 The whole point of the Bill of Rights and the 625 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:31.320 Constitution is to have a process. Which, yes, of course 626 00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:34.280 that's going to slow down what the government does. That 627 00:37:34.559 --> 00:37:38.159 is by design, just like it's going to slow things down. 628 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:40.719 If we've got to actually have a debate and discussion 629 00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:42.159 about whether or not we're going to go to war, 630 00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:45.599 we should pause and think about some of these things. 631 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.719 But everybody, oh, let's just grease it through. We heard 632 00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:51.519 the same thing from Mike Johnson, the Trader of the House. 633 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.079 He was out there saying, I played the clip for 634 00:37:54.199 --> 00:37:57.440 he said, warrants. We can't do warrants. We don't need 635 00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:01.199 no stinking badges. Right, how long this would take us, 636 00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:05.960 Whether they're talking about the actions of Trump's gestapo ice 637 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.480 or whether they're talking about Faiza. They don't want to 638 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.119 have ny warrince that's too much work. It will slow 639 00:38:13.199 --> 00:38:14.800 things down. We got to do this at warp speed, 640 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:18.159 and of course warp speed is how so many people 641 00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:21.599 were injured and killed because we didn't take the time 642 00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:26.639 to do any tests. So I talked about this briefly yesterday, 643 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:28.960 but James Talerico, I got another clip I wanted to 644 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.840 play for you. He is really doubling down. I don't 645 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:33.400 know how he thinks this is going to help him 646 00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:36.480 in Texas. And I look at this guy. He was 647 00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:42.280 out there twisting and perverting the Bible saying that God 648 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:44.719 is non binary. And as I said when I played 649 00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:49.199 the clip the other clip yesterday, I said, well, you 650 00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.519 know they're all about people's preferred pronouns. Maybe you ought 651 00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:56.679 to go with God's preferred pronouns. God's preferred pronouns are 652 00:38:56.679 --> 00:39:00.679 he and him, but he doesn't care about that. So 653 00:39:00.679 --> 00:39:02.159 here's what he had to say when he was on 654 00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:02.920 with Jake Tapper. 655 00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:09.719 National Republican Senate Committee is already highlighting comments that you've made. 656 00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:12.400 For example, they're highlighting this. 657 00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:20.400 God is both masculine and feminine, and everything in between 658 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:24.000 between is non binary. 659 00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:28.519 What is your response to them using that and explain 660 00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:30.000 what you were talking about. 661 00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.880 Well, I understand that that comment is a little provocative. 662 00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.119 I said it on the house floor faults when the 663 00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:41.400 extremists in the Republican legislature were picking on school kids 664 00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:45.639 who were different. But I don't think it's contraard Zoologically, 665 00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:50.840 most Christians would acknowledge that God is beyond gender. In fact, 666 00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:54.480 the Apostle Paul, in his letter to the Galatians said 667 00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:58.039 that in Christ there is neither male nor female, and 668 00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:00.440 so if someone's got a problem with that statement, they 669 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:02.039 shouldn't take it up with me. They should take it 670 00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:03.079 up with the Apostle Paul. 671 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.079 Well, yeah, God's going to take that up with you. 672 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:11.400 That is such a juvenile understanding of what was being 673 00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:13.920 said there. What he was talking about was the differences 674 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:16.639 between different people. He said, God is not a respect 675 00:40:16.639 --> 00:40:20.000 to a person. He doesn't care if you're Jewish or gentile. 676 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:22.320 He doesn't care for your male or female. He doesn't 677 00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:26.519 care for your slave or free. God is not a slave, right, 678 00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:30.039 he wasn't talking about If you look at the context. 679 00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:32.840 It's amazing how he took that out of context. He's 680 00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:35.800 going to a seminary. I looked up the seminary. It's 681 00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:40.199 the Presbyterian Church of America. This is the liberal, mainline 682 00:40:40.239 --> 00:40:43.880 Presbyterian Church. They've split twice since then. They had a 683 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.320 split the early part of the twentieth century. They created 684 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:50.559 the People split off from it, created the Orthodox Presbyterian Church. 685 00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:52.760 And then you had another split in the middle of 686 00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:56.000 the twentieth century, again away from the PCAs they kept 687 00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:58.360 going to the left, other people said no, no, we're 688 00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.239 not going to go that direction. So they created did 689 00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.679 PC USA, I think is what it is. I'm not Presbyterian, 690 00:41:04.719 --> 00:41:09.679 but it's amazing it all began. Interestingly enough, the reason 691 00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:11.960 they had these splits in the early twentieth century was 692 00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:15.559 because the Presbyterian seminaries were saying, we can't trust God's 693 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:19.480 word right, it's not infallible, and so that's the path 694 00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:22.360 they went down. And now they're going out there and 695 00:41:22.400 --> 00:41:25.840 grabbing little bits and pieces pulling them out. This is 696 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:30.320 the worst contextual violation I've ever seen, the kind of 697 00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:33.360 nonsense that he's putting out there, and it absolutely is nonsense. 698 00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:38.559 But he's also said that posting the Ten Commandments is violence, 699 00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:45.000 it's hateful. Maybe it's because he is so intent on 700 00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:48.599 violating the Ten Commandments that he sees it as violence. 701 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:52.559 But he is storing up wrath, there's no question about that. 702 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:56.320 He and the Democrats. But again, this is the only 703 00:41:56.360 --> 00:42:03.039 thing that really keeps the keeps the Republican Party in 704 00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:06.519 business at all. I think is this insanity that's coming 705 00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:10.519 from the Democrats. So he says, I don't think it's 706 00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:15.880 controversial theologically to say this. Well, again, that reflects on 707 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:18.840 the seminary that he's going to. As I said earlier, 708 00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:21.400 Trump has only eight days left to make up his 709 00:42:21.519 --> 00:42:24.760 mind about Iran, and supposedly they're then going to get 710 00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:27.119 serious about the law. They've never been serious about the 711 00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:31.559 Constitution and declaring war because they decided that they didn't 712 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:35.440 want to go with the Constitution and say that Congress 713 00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:40.360 would declare war. They created the War Powers Act and 714 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:42.320 that lets the President do whatever he wants to for 715 00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.480 sixty days. But that time is nearly up, and I 716 00:42:45.480 --> 00:42:48.079 don't expect that they're going to do anything to call 717 00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:52.320 him back in line with that as well. Meanwhile, in London, 718 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:55.800 we look at the real threat to our countries. It's 719 00:42:55.880 --> 00:43:00.280 really the open border, and it's something that Trump doesn't 720 00:43:00.280 --> 00:43:04.480 really care to do anything about anymore. When you look 721 00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:09.639 at the bringing in people as refugees, he's actually doubled that. 722 00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.599 They've done a lot in terms of confrontation with people. 723 00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:17.199 I think what you see the so called immigration enforcement 724 00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:19.840 that Trump is doing, I think is over the top 725 00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:24.440 and it is far beyond a proportional response to what 726 00:43:24.480 --> 00:43:27.239 people have done. There are orderly ways to do this, 727 00:43:27.320 --> 00:43:29.840 there are simple ways to do it. They have decided, 728 00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:32.800 like in everything else, Trump wants to be as confrontational 729 00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:36.599 as possible. He wants to lay the foundation for police 730 00:43:36.719 --> 00:43:40.159 surveillance state, he wants to lay the foundation for IDs 731 00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:42.440 and so forth. And so that's where we are right now. 732 00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:44.679 But if you look at what is happening in London, 733 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:48.119 this is a warning sign to people. London landlords have 734 00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:54.159 been caught advertising their flats for rent advertising Muslim only, 735 00:43:55.320 --> 00:43:58.320 or they put things like this for two Muslim boys, 736 00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:02.880 or for two Muslim girls, or suitable for Punjabi boy. 737 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:07.159 Now think about if you were to run an ad 738 00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:11.840 to rent something here in America or in London, and 739 00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:17.440 you're put in their whites only would that fly. That 740 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:19.920 would probably make it a national news for sure, much 741 00:44:19.960 --> 00:44:23.440 more so than this did, as many people are pointing out. 742 00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:28.000 And course this is really what is given the wind 743 00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.360 and the sails to the Reform Party in the UK. 744 00:44:30.480 --> 00:44:33.639 They said it is disgusting and anti British. There would 745 00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.000 be a national outrage of the table's returned if it 746 00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.400 was whites only, and they're absolutely right about that. It 747 00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:41.400 is the two tier system that they have set up 748 00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:45.960 in the UK. Well, they also pointed out the name 749 00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:48.679 Muhammad has also been the most popular boy's name in 750 00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:52.199 England and Wales for two consecutive years, with over five 751 00:44:52.239 --> 00:44:54.639 thousand boys given that name in twenty twenty four loan, 752 00:44:55.239 --> 00:44:58.239 so they should have no problem finding renters. I guess 753 00:44:59.039 --> 00:45:01.880 that's the reality. Uh where we are today. We're going 754 00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:03.639 to take a quick break and we'll be right back. 755 00:45:11.239 --> 00:45:21.400 H m hm. 756 00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.079 You're listening to the David Knight Show. 757 00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.199 If you like the Eagles, it doesn't. 758 00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:04.199 The cars and Huey Lewis and the news. They say 759 00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:09.639 the You'll love the Classic Hits channel at APS Radio, 760 00:46:09.880 --> 00:46:15.199 download our app or listen now at apsradio dot com. 761 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.320 Well, we have a couple of interviews that are coming up. 762 00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:20.559 The first one we're going to run is an interview 763 00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:23.679 that cut earlier this week. It's a book that was 764 00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:27.159 written not necessarily for somebody who's a seminary student that 765 00:46:27.239 --> 00:46:30.079 knows everything like Tolerico does, but I think it could 766 00:46:30.079 --> 00:46:34.199 benefit from this book. The key part, the key purpose 767 00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:37.760 of this book was to try to build interest in people. 768 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:40.119 You know, a lot of people get very mechanical in 769 00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:43.880 terms of reading the Bible or they don't understand the context. 770 00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.760 And so what our guest did was to try to 771 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:49.480 come up with a way to approach the Bible that 772 00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:52.960 is going to help you to establish a relationship and 773 00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:55.679 something that should actually read and not just set on 774 00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:58.679 the shelf and you know, be in awe of it. 775 00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:01.360 Like Trump uses the when he goes to these things, 776 00:47:01.559 --> 00:47:03.320 he takes the Bible and holds it up. He doesn't 777 00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:04.639 open it up, but he just holds it up in 778 00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.320 the air. But before we do, and then after that, 779 00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:11.440 we've got an interview coming up with an individual who 780 00:47:11.519 --> 00:47:16.280 is trying to get permit to do a large copper 781 00:47:16.320 --> 00:47:20.039 mine in Alaska, and we're going to talk about the 782 00:47:20.079 --> 00:47:23.119 obstacles to that and how the Trump administration is actually 783 00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:27.519 working against what it wants to do in terms of manufacturing. Yes, 784 00:47:27.599 --> 00:47:29.159 there are a lot of things that can go wrong 785 00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.480 with manufacturing, especially with mining and things like that, but 786 00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:37.079 anything that whenever you do something, whenever you build something, 787 00:47:37.079 --> 00:47:40.760 whenever you mind something, there's going to be some risk 788 00:47:41.039 --> 00:47:43.320 that there might be some pollution or something like that, 789 00:47:43.400 --> 00:47:45.320 but there's also an opportunity for you to do it 790 00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:49.239 the right way. And yet we have seen the pendulum 791 00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.119 swing too far, I think, to one side. So we're 792 00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:53.920 going to talk to him about the struggle that he's 793 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.880 going through, and I think it's a very interesting commentary 794 00:47:56.960 --> 00:48:00.360 on where this country is and the problems that were saying. 795 00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.440 But before we do, I just want to mention some 796 00:48:03.440 --> 00:48:06.719 of the people who have supported the broadcast. It's a 797 00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:10.119 short list, it won't take too long, and thank them 798 00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.079 for supporting us. We're still not quite up to seventy 799 00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.320 five percent or three quarters on the gas gage, but 800 00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:17.960 I would just wanted to thank some of the people 801 00:48:17.960 --> 00:48:21.599 who have contributed on Zell and on cash app. On 802 00:48:21.719 --> 00:48:25.920 zel we have Michael P. Actually got two Michael P's 803 00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:27.039 a different last name. 804 00:48:27.079 --> 00:48:27.440 Of course. 805 00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.679 One of them said, well, this is for the Mark 806 00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:35.599 Levin impersonation that she did, and I don't really do 807 00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:39.159 Mark Levin well unless I'm really in a nasty mood. 808 00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:41.800 I've got to have the right kind of approach because 809 00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:46.039 he just comes across as such a nasty person. He 810 00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:48.079 used to always I would hear him on the Rush 811 00:48:48.119 --> 00:48:50.519 Limbaugh Show back in the day. I'd be in the 812 00:48:50.559 --> 00:48:54.960 car and Rush always called him the great One, and 813 00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:57.000 I used to say, even back then, I said, yeah, 814 00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:59.760 but the way you spell that is g r ate, 815 00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:03.159 because I always found Mark Levin to be very grating 816 00:49:03.320 --> 00:49:07.239 in terms of his whining, the way he speaks, but 817 00:49:07.360 --> 00:49:10.599 especially what he had to say. So again, Michael P. 818 00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:16.440 And there's two different Michael PE's, Raymond G. Susan L. 819 00:49:16.599 --> 00:49:22.199 Thank you, Susan Brandon, m Scott L, Darryl L. And 820 00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.760 Daryl is a new contributor, I've not seen his name before, 821 00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:29.360 and Sally D. And then we have one contributor who 822 00:49:29.360 --> 00:49:31.440 has given us some money on cash app is very 823 00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:32.320 generous contribution. 824 00:49:33.079 --> 00:49:33.480 Dave B. 825 00:49:33.639 --> 00:49:36.320 Thank you very much. I appreciate that. So that any 826 00:49:36.320 --> 00:54:21.559 further delay, we're going to go to our interviews. 827 00:50:08.320 --> 00:52:21.920 Us defending the American Dream. You're listening to the David 828 00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:27.599 Knight Show. If you like the Eagles on. 829 00:52:29.639 --> 00:52:33.320 The Cars and Huey Lewis and the news, they say 830 00:52:35.679 --> 00:52:39.440 you'll love the Classic Hits channel at APS Radio, download 831 00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:42.760 our app or listen now at apsradio dot com. 832 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:45.239 We're joining us now is Tim mulgrew, and he's the 833 00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:48.440 author of a book of the story of us. It's 834 00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:52.000 really about helping people to read the Bible, to find 835 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:54.000 it in a way that is open and engaging. We've 836 00:52:54.000 --> 00:52:57.760 got a lot of people who are looking with interest, 837 00:52:57.800 --> 00:53:00.599 and I've heard a lot of celebrity story about people 838 00:53:00.639 --> 00:53:04.199 like Tim Allen. I'm going through the whole Bible, you know, 839 00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:06.519 and it truly is amazing, he says, But you know, 840 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:08.920 how do we do that. I've tried in the past. 841 00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:12.360 I've tried the annual Bible reading thing, and you've got 842 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:16.360 to be very mechanical, and it really was counterproductive. There's 843 00:53:16.400 --> 00:53:17.880 different ways to look at it. So we're going to 844 00:53:17.920 --> 00:53:20.039 talk to Tim about his suggestions. We have a lot 845 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:22.599 of people, as I said, they're looking at this. We've 846 00:53:22.639 --> 00:53:25.519 got Bible sales are jumping, and yet we don't see 847 00:53:25.559 --> 00:53:28.360 that reflected in society. We don't see that reflected in 848 00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:31.599 our lives in many cases, and so we're going to 849 00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:33.840 talk to him about what his suggestions are. Thank you 850 00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:36.760 for joining us, Tim, good to be here. 851 00:53:36.639 --> 00:53:37.400 Thanks for having me. 852 00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:40.840 You know you it's always important to talk about this. 853 00:53:41.280 --> 00:53:44.599 You talk about the fact that sometimes we look at 854 00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:46.840 the Bible as an idol. What do you mean by that? 855 00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:51.880 Well, it's interesting because in the book, I say, you know, 856 00:53:51.920 --> 00:53:54.719 how many people have actually thrown an old, worn out 857 00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:58.599 Bible in the trash. We kind of feel funny about that, 858 00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:03.719 even non believers funny about throwing a Bible in the trash. 859 00:54:04.960 --> 00:54:08.599 What it basically means is we elevate the book itself 860 00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:14.199 to be more than just bound paper put together in 861 00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:17.199 a in a nice envelope for our convenience. 862 00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:20.000 Yeah, well we never get started. 863 00:54:20.239 --> 00:54:22.079 Let me jump in here for a second. Is like, well, 864 00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:24.239 that reminds me of is Trump. You know, when you 865 00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:27.000 walk in and he just holds a Bible. I was like, look, 866 00:54:27.039 --> 00:54:29.039 I got this thing, you know, and it's like it's 867 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:31.880 like a relic, you know, right, I've got holy hand 868 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:34.800 grenade here. Yeah, instead of like, well open it up 869 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:35.960 and read it, what does it saying? 870 00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:41.639 My whole thing is is that it's better to understand 871 00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:45.199 what the Bible says than to you know, simply read 872 00:54:45.199 --> 00:54:49.000 it or as most people just own it. Yeah, but 873 00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.679 we make the Bible, the book itself to be an idol, 874 00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:56.920 and then we basically are are harming our chances of 875 00:54:56.960 --> 00:55:01.039 ever understanding it because we're thinking too highly, not of 876 00:55:01.079 --> 00:55:03.079 what the Bible is, but the book itself. 877 00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:09.079 Now your title, the Book of Us, well, look at that. 878 00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:12.159 I had a question about that as well, because you know, 879 00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.679 Jesus said, well, you look, you search the scriptures because 880 00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:16.360 and then we think you have eternal life, and yet 881 00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:18.880 they testify of me. And that is one of the 882 00:55:18.920 --> 00:55:20.960 reasons one of the things that I look at when 883 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:23.119 what does this tell me about Christ? But it's really 884 00:55:23.440 --> 00:55:26.920 was it tell me about Christ and his relationship with me? 885 00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:29.360 And how do you see that? 886 00:55:30.599 --> 00:55:32.840 So the Book of Us, it's kind of a play 887 00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:35.039 on words like the Book of Acts, the Book of 888 00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:40.360 Romans book. So generally I'm looking at the book the 889 00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:46.480 Bible as a whole book and trying to discover in 890 00:55:46.599 --> 00:55:50.400 there the human nature. In other words, you know, why 891 00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:53.840 did God think it was so important to capture all 892 00:55:53.880 --> 00:55:56.800 of these different events through history and all these different 893 00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:00.159 people preserve them for thousands of years for me to 894 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:00.960 read today. 895 00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:02.360 Yeah, that's right. 896 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:05.760 So when you go through and in. 897 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:09.960 The latter half of my book, I write each of 898 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:12.679 the sixty six books of the Bible, there's a summary 899 00:56:12.760 --> 00:56:15.920 there that talks about what the human nature of the 900 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:20.000 human behavior is. God basically wrote the Bible to us 901 00:56:20.320 --> 00:56:24.079 for us. He doesn't need a Bible himself to tell 902 00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:28.639 him how to be God. So it's clearly written for us. 903 00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.679 But you know, if we can't find. 904 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:36.000 The relevance, then really it's just anecdotal history of something 905 00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:38.800 that happened to people a couple thousand years ago. 906 00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:40.679 And why should I care now? 907 00:56:40.960 --> 00:56:41.159 Right? 908 00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:44.800 Yes, yes, yeah, the idea is to find ourselves in. 909 00:56:44.800 --> 00:56:45.679 It, that's right. 910 00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:47.360 And when I look at it, you know, that is 911 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:49.199 a key thing. If you see yourself in that, look 912 00:56:49.199 --> 00:56:50.360 at how that person reacted that. 913 00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:52.960 Am I like that? You know that type of thing? 914 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:58.280 And well, we are some favorite subject, right right, It's 915 00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:00.440 kind of it's kind of funny because we look at 916 00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.880 it and I've often thought about the Bible, you know, 917 00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:08.079 when there's so few physical descriptions of anyone or anything, Right, 918 00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:10.519 there's a couple of vague descriptions. 919 00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:13.000 It's like, you know, David has got as ruddy you 920 00:57:13.039 --> 00:57:14.599 know whatever that means? You have red hair? Does you 921 00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:17.360 have like a reddish complexion or something? What does that 922 00:57:17.400 --> 00:57:20.320 exactly mean? It's at a bit ambiguous. But and he 923 00:57:20.400 --> 00:57:23.360 might talk about Saul being really tall or something like that. 924 00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:26.760 But that's the first thing that humans will do is 925 00:57:26.800 --> 00:57:29.599 focus on the appearance. Right, You'll get a big description 926 00:57:30.039 --> 00:57:33.239 of the setting that's there. You'll get a description of 927 00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:36.559 what that person looks like, what they're wearing. Description. And 928 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:40.559 yet that's not the way God puts us together. We 929 00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:44.039 see people unfold in terms of the way that they 930 00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:46.480 interact with each other and with them. 931 00:57:46.800 --> 00:57:47.800 Right, yeah, right. 932 00:57:47.880 --> 00:57:51.440 If if it was intended to be a historical account, 933 00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:54.480 they would have given us a lot more information. But 934 00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:58.000 they give us enough to turn our imaginations on. And 935 00:57:58.440 --> 00:58:02.000 the idea that is to picture yourself in that scene. 936 00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.199 I always tell people when I'm teaching class that every 937 00:58:06.239 --> 00:58:10.320 time you hear Israelites or the Pharisees or any of 938 00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:12.760 the what we think of as villains in the Bible, 939 00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:15.960 you're supposed to put your name there because there's a 940 00:58:16.159 --> 00:58:20.400 lesson to be learned, and the lesson is more important 941 00:58:20.519 --> 00:58:25.000 to learn what happens to you and your behavior versus 942 00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:27.360 what happened to somebody thousands of years ago that you 943 00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:28.159 can't relate to. 944 00:58:28.400 --> 00:58:30.199 So, yeah, that's a good good point here. 945 00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:33.039 You talk about it not really being set up in 946 00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:35.360 a long timeline, and of course that's something that can 947 00:58:35.440 --> 00:58:37.239 be very difficult to do if you try to read 948 00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:40.199 it in chronological order, because the books, the books are 949 00:58:40.199 --> 00:58:42.599 not even laid out in the Bible in the chronological order. 950 00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:46.159 So like, you know, so what is the you know, 951 00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:49.239 this prophet when't he lived? You know, was this were 952 00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:51.639 they in captivity or was you know, who was a king? 953 00:58:51.679 --> 00:58:53.320 And what was it like in the times that he 954 00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:56.360 was writing? That can become kind of challenging actually try 955 00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:59.360 to put into a timeline. But that's not really the point. 956 00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:03.800 Point out that it's written in a circular Eastern style. 957 00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:04.639 What do you mean by that? 958 00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:09.960 So Western style writing is what you're referring to, that's 959 00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:14.039 what we're accustomed to. It's basically what I would call 960 00:59:14.119 --> 00:59:14.920 a data dump. 961 00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:16.480 Fact fact, fact fact. 962 00:59:16.760 --> 00:59:18.599 You put the facts in your head and then you're 963 00:59:18.599 --> 00:59:22.159 supposed to figure out when to use them. But remember 964 00:59:22.159 --> 00:59:25.239 that the Bible is written to be timeless. Eastern style 965 00:59:25.280 --> 00:59:30.119 writing is more you're supposed to experience what you're reading, 966 00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:34.760 put yourself in that scene. Because we remember experiences, and 967 00:59:34.800 --> 00:59:38.960 we can apply experiences in our day to day walk 968 00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:42.840 without remembering what particular passage it was from. We learn 969 00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:46.400 and pick up the lesson behind it, and that's a 970 00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:49.199 usable thing. That's what makes the Bible alive. 971 00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:50.400 Yeah, that's right. 972 00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:52.599 Also makes it very relevant to us. 973 00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:53.239 That's right. 974 00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:55.400 And I think a big part of that too is 975 00:59:55.400 --> 00:59:57.639 when we look at this, you know, when we talk 976 00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:01.519 about a daily Bible reading plan, you know, and that's fine, 977 01:00:02.039 --> 01:00:04.199 but I tend to think of that as something that 978 01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.199 you do kind of at the start, maybe if you 979 01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:09.159 didn't grow up in a church or something and you 980 01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:11.079 don't have this kind of a background. You're trying to 981 01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:15.199 get what we call when we do homeschooling or classical education, 982 01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:17.679 we called that kind of the grammar stage. Right, you're 983 01:00:17.719 --> 01:00:22.159 just accumulating facts, and you know, you're like multiplying, memorizing 984 01:00:22.199 --> 01:00:25.639 the mulplication tables or something like that. It's hard, it's 985 01:00:25.719 --> 01:00:29.639 not necessarily very interesting, just accumulating facts, but it's necessary 986 01:00:29.639 --> 01:00:32.159 to have some of that because without that you can't 987 01:00:32.199 --> 01:00:35.639 start putting the bigger picture together, right. And so typically 988 01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:38.079 when we'll talk about classical education, we'll talk about grammar. 989 01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:42.159 Then we'll talk about a logic stage, and they'll talk 990 01:00:42.199 --> 01:00:44.599 about a rhetoric stage, and so at each of these 991 01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.519 stages you're starting to put this together. But it's not 992 01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:51.119 simply an academic exercise. When we are Christians, you know, 993 01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:53.519 things are happening in our life all the time, and 994 01:00:53.559 --> 01:00:55.599 God is teaching us through those things that happen in 995 01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:58.400 our life. And so it's kind of a mixture of 996 01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:01.480 the academic and the experience. And a lot of times, 997 01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:03.800 I remember when I was very young, I would read 998 01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:06.079 the psalms and it's like, this is the most boring stuff. 999 01:01:06.599 --> 01:01:07.639 I didn't like it at all. 1000 01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:09.440 But now, you know, you go back as you're older 1001 01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:12.159 and you've experienced these things said David was writing about, 1002 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:16.039 or whoever was writing that particular psalm, and it's like, yeah, yeah, 1003 01:01:16.079 --> 01:01:16.960 that happened to me too. 1004 01:01:17.679 --> 01:01:20.400 Yeah yeah, Well, and that's of course what we find 1005 01:01:20.519 --> 01:01:24.159 is that, you know, Solomon said there's nothing new under 1006 01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:27.519 the sun, and that still still holds true today when 1007 01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:31.760 you can understand and see the experience that the Bible 1008 01:01:31.880 --> 01:01:35.199 is talking about and relate to the message rather than 1009 01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:38.199 getting hung up on the details. So you're describing what 1010 01:01:38.280 --> 01:01:43.679 I call milk, bread and meat. Most Christians don't ever 1011 01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:47.400 really get past the milk phase. They read the Bible 1012 01:01:47.519 --> 01:01:51.039 through in a year. I remember, read the Bible through 1013 01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:53.199 in eighty two was a big thing, you know, back 1014 01:01:53.199 --> 01:01:54.159 in nineteen eighty two. 1015 01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:55.280 And there's always. 1016 01:01:55.079 --> 01:01:59.039 These gimmicks to get us to read the Bible. Well, 1017 01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:02.599 it's it's interesting that a Christian should need a gimmick 1018 01:02:03.360 --> 01:02:07.639 to read the very word that God has for them. 1019 01:02:08.159 --> 01:02:10.559 But we do, you know, we're human and we have 1020 01:02:10.639 --> 01:02:13.480 lots and lots of interest in life. But you're right, 1021 01:02:14.840 --> 01:02:17.920 it's a good idea to go through the Bible cover 1022 01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:21.440 to cover, as a lot of people say. But you know, 1023 01:02:21.480 --> 01:02:24.760 the problem with a program that has a beginning and 1024 01:02:24.800 --> 01:02:27.920 an end is that's how we also tend to read. 1025 01:02:28.320 --> 01:02:28.519 Right. 1026 01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:32.280 I started this, you know, the Book of Romans. So 1027 01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:34.719 I need to finish the Book of Romans. And so 1028 01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:38.639 my goal is to finish the book, not to understand 1029 01:02:38.679 --> 01:02:41.840 the book right. Right, So you start with a passage 1030 01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:44.880 and then you finish that passage and you go on 1031 01:02:44.920 --> 01:02:46.920 to the next passage, but you don't have any idea 1032 01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:50.239 what that passage means, So why go to another passage? 1033 01:02:50.239 --> 01:02:51.199 It's just a. 1034 01:02:51.079 --> 01:02:53.880 Passage like the passage you are on, right. In other words, 1035 01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:56.400 we're always in a hurry to finish. That's really what 1036 01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:59.440 Western style is as a beginning and an end, whereas 1037 01:02:59.480 --> 01:03:01.000 Scripture doesn't have a beginning. 1038 01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:03.239 We're an end. It always speaks to us. 1039 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:08.000 So the whole idea is to stop those habitual programs 1040 01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:11.079 and say, I want to know what God has to 1041 01:03:11.119 --> 01:03:14.559 say to me. That's what I'm interested in. That's why 1042 01:03:14.639 --> 01:03:17.119 I'm reading the Bible, not because it's a duty or 1043 01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:19.639 an obligation. I'm a Christian, so I have to say, 1044 01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:21.559 as I've read the Bible fifteen. 1045 01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:23.480 Times, what good is it? Read it if you don't 1046 01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:24.159 understand it? 1047 01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:25.119 Right, that's right. 1048 01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:27.440 If you kicked up a novel, you would read it 1049 01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:27.960 the same way. 1050 01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:28.159 Right. 1051 01:03:28.199 --> 01:03:30.920 You'd be interested in the characters and the story and 1052 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:34.880 how it develops. And you know, Hollywood teaches us to 1053 01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:37.000 fall in love with the character so that we feel 1054 01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:41.320 emotions as the story plays out. And yeah, they kind 1055 01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:43.800 of spoon feed the whole thinking process to us. But 1056 01:03:43.920 --> 01:03:46.400 we fall in love with different things that we. 1057 01:03:46.280 --> 01:03:50.199 Can identify with. But we don't read our Bibles that way. 1058 01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:54.280 Like a textbook, and nobody likes textbooks. 1059 01:03:54.800 --> 01:03:55.239 That's right. 1060 01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:57.559 Yeah, And I'll read it, I guess. One of the 1061 01:03:57.559 --> 01:03:59.159 things that I found is that I'll go through it 1062 01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:01.800 and there'll be something that, wow, that what does that mean? 1063 01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:04.960 You know, really strange? And and that's been the time 1064 01:04:05.159 --> 01:04:09.000 when I really would would get something that would really 1065 01:04:09.119 --> 01:04:11.760 hit me deeply because I'd sit there and I'd focus 1066 01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:14.119 on it for several days. I'd be just I just 1067 01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:16.440 stop right there, as you point out, don't just keep reading, 1068 01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:16.719 you know. 1069 01:04:16.840 --> 01:04:18.480 Stop and well what was that about? 1070 01:04:19.400 --> 01:04:19.599 Right? 1071 01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:21.400 And if you and if you dig deep on that, 1072 01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:22.960 and if you look at it, and then I would 1073 01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:25.760 do different things, like, you know, read different translations and 1074 01:04:25.840 --> 01:04:29.360 sometimes I'd get, you know, different commentaries or whatever. But 1075 01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:32.039 you pray about it, and after all you start to 1076 01:04:32.119 --> 01:04:34.360 see it and you start to see it in your 1077 01:04:34.360 --> 01:04:37.360 own life as well. It really is kind of interesting 1078 01:04:37.400 --> 01:04:40.679 to stop on one particular thing that you don't understand 1079 01:04:41.079 --> 01:04:44.199 and focus on that. I think that's a very rewarding thing. 1080 01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:48.920 It is, without getting too granular on a particular passage, 1081 01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:50.719 you have to keep it in context. 1082 01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:53.360 That's right, And you talk about that as well. Yeah, 1083 01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:56.280 talk about context a bit. That's important. 1084 01:04:57.199 --> 01:05:00.760 We you know, we in fact, I'm I have a 1085 01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:02.880 couple more books in progress here, and I was just 1086 01:05:02.920 --> 01:05:04.199 writing about that earlier. 1087 01:05:04.199 --> 01:05:07.000 Today, we tend to love. 1088 01:05:06.840 --> 01:05:10.800 Our legalism, and legalism goes through and it picks out 1089 01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:14.480 certain pieces of scripture and says there's a rule, we 1090 01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:18.400 need to enforce that rule, right, but it's completely out 1091 01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:20.760 of context. When you roll up to the thirty thousand 1092 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:23.400 foot level and you look at what's being talked about. 1093 01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:27.599 It's not a rule at all. It's never intended. We 1094 01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:31.119 drive people away from Christianity because they say, I don't 1095 01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:32.880 want to have to follow a list of dos and 1096 01:05:32.960 --> 01:05:35.400 don'ts and a bunch of rule books and all that stuff. 1097 01:05:35.480 --> 01:05:38.480 But that's not at all what scripture is. And that's 1098 01:05:38.519 --> 01:05:41.639 the point I think most Christians are missing because we 1099 01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:44.840 drill down, we find one little statement and we hang 1100 01:05:44.880 --> 01:05:48.480 our hat on it without understanding in context what the 1101 01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:49.760 writer was talking about. 1102 01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:50.559 That's right. 1103 01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:52.800 Yeah, that happens all over scripture. 1104 01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:53.599 That's right. 1105 01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:56.840 As some people said, a text without a context is 1106 01:05:57.079 --> 01:06:00.480 simply a pretext after what you're reading into it, and 1107 01:06:01.840 --> 01:06:03.800 I think that's really true. And you know, we look 1108 01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:06.519 at it many times. We'll look at it if we say, 1109 01:06:06.679 --> 01:06:08.920 you know, what is this telling me I've got to 1110 01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:11.760 do right now? And it's not really about that. It's 1111 01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:15.159 really about your relationship with God. It's not about a 1112 01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:17.280 list of things to do to be approved by God. 1113 01:06:17.320 --> 01:06:21.000 That's how Christianity's different from every other religion. Every other religion. 1114 01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:23.119 It's like, well, you do this, this and this, and 1115 01:06:23.159 --> 01:06:25.039 then you get this at the end. As a result, 1116 01:06:25.920 --> 01:06:29.400 Christ messages you can't do that. I'm going to give 1117 01:06:29.400 --> 01:06:32.920 you some standards here that are impossible to meet. Now, 1118 01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:34.920 there's going to be some things that if you do them, 1119 01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:37.480 your life is going to be better. You're going to 1120 01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:41.679 get blessings instead of curses in this life and just 1121 01:06:42.199 --> 01:06:45.760 natural reaping what you sew, you know, good or bad. 1122 01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:49.239 And so there's that aspect of it. But ultimately our 1123 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:52.920 approval with God is based on what Christ has done. 1124 01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:55.000 That's the Christian message, right. 1125 01:06:55.079 --> 01:06:57.920 But we would rather earn our way into heaven that 1126 01:06:58.039 --> 01:06:59.960 way we have control over it. Right. 1127 01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:03.800 Yeah, nobody likes charity, as the Bible was. 1128 01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:07.400 If you approach this on your own terms, you won't 1129 01:07:07.400 --> 01:07:11.639 make it. That's right, because God is the one in charge. Yet, 1130 01:07:12.079 --> 01:07:15.679 isn't it funny that we're still trying to do things 1131 01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:18.920 to earn our way even though the Bible tells us 1132 01:07:19.000 --> 01:07:19.880 it's impossible. 1133 01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:21.800 That's right. 1134 01:07:22.239 --> 01:07:23.880 That's our human tendency. 1135 01:07:23.960 --> 01:07:27.960 So you know, my book is really about understanding what 1136 01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:32.159 our human behaviors are, what our tendencies are, and we 1137 01:07:32.360 --> 01:07:36.079 are the same as they were thousands of years ago. 1138 01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:40.000 This is a pattern, it's recognizable. So if we can 1139 01:07:40.079 --> 01:07:45.039 recognize it and we can control our behavior rather than 1140 01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:49.199 trying to control scripture, we'll probably get a lot more 1141 01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:52.480 out of scripture than we ever ever did before. 1142 01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:53.440 That's right. 1143 01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:57.320 Yes, you're talking about memorizing scripture without understanding it. And again, 1144 01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:00.880 this is another one of these things like school level 1145 01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:02.320 you know, it's one of the things that we would 1146 01:08:02.320 --> 01:08:04.159 do with our kids when they're very young. You'd get 1147 01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:08.440 them to memorize certain Bible passages. And there's a value 1148 01:08:08.440 --> 01:08:10.360 to that. Just like you need to be able to 1149 01:08:10.400 --> 01:08:12.960 memorize the multiplication table or you're not going to be 1150 01:08:12.960 --> 01:08:15.920 able to do a higher level math. Same thing is 1151 01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:18.640 true with that, And you know part of it is, 1152 01:08:18.880 --> 01:08:21.720 you know, hiding God's word in your heart so that 1153 01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:24.279 it comes back at times, and it will do that. 1154 01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:26.600 It'll come back so that you understand it at that 1155 01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:30.479 point in time when it's actually something that you're going through. 1156 01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:31.600 Yeah. 1157 01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:33.840 Well, the problem is is that we start to take 1158 01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:36.119 pride in the fact that we've. 1159 01:08:35.920 --> 01:08:38.239 Memorized all of these different things. 1160 01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:40.880 But if we don't understand the message, how do we 1161 01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:42.000 know when to pull them. 1162 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:42.760 Out and use them? 1163 01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:44.039 That's right, that's right. 1164 01:08:44.119 --> 01:08:46.399 My word is a lamp and a lighted too my 1165 01:08:46.479 --> 01:08:48.760 path and a lamp into my feet. Okay, well I'm 1166 01:08:48.760 --> 01:08:51.279 having an argument with my spouse. How does that come 1167 01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:51.800 in handy? 1168 01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:53.479 Right? We don't. 1169 01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:57.439 We're not understanding the message that's there. And to me, 1170 01:08:57.560 --> 01:09:01.920 it's more important to understand the way to be than 1171 01:09:02.600 --> 01:09:04.199 what to do right and wrong? 1172 01:09:04.720 --> 01:09:06.760 Right, that's right. 1173 01:09:06.840 --> 01:09:11.319 Yes, So you know when you talk about textbook human behavior, 1174 01:09:11.359 --> 01:09:12.159 what do you mean about that? 1175 01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:13.359 Throughout the Old Testament? 1176 01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:18.079 So it works a lot like medicine. In medicine, they 1177 01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:20.239 gather a whole bunch of people that have the same 1178 01:09:20.359 --> 01:09:24.800 symptoms and then they try these different medications to figure out. Hey, 1179 01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:28.119 anytime we see this group of people and we give 1180 01:09:28.159 --> 01:09:31.399 them this, it works, and that's kind of how medicine works. 1181 01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:34.560 It's trial and error. You talk about human behavior. Our 1182 01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:40.159 human behavior basically is entirely predictable. When you look at 1183 01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:46.800 how the Israelites behaved towards God in the earliest of. 1184 01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:50.319 Days, I mean straight straight. 1185 01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:53.239 Out of you know, God pulling them away from the Egyptians. 1186 01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:56.039 They're hanging out waiting for Moses to come down the hill. 1187 01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:57.880 And where they do they make a golden calf. 1188 01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:02.800 Why because they want something tangible to worship. And that's 1189 01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:06.760 that's the struggle we have. We need to look, touch 1190 01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:10.439 and feel. Having a God that we can't touch with 1191 01:10:10.560 --> 01:10:15.000 our hands is difficult for us to actually truly commit 1192 01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:18.319 our entire lives to So we have this tendency to 1193 01:10:18.439 --> 01:10:21.479 create things. That's like making your Bible an idol. We 1194 01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:24.239 can even make God an idol. You can make your 1195 01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:27.079 family and idol. It's not that the Bible and the 1196 01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:31.880 family and these things are bad things. It's that they 1197 01:10:31.960 --> 01:10:36.800 are getting in the way of a true, pure relationship 1198 01:10:36.840 --> 01:10:40.079 with God. And so anything that does that is an idol. 1199 01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:42.680 But we've been taught to think that it's a golden 1200 01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:44.920 calf or a you know, a piece of wood or 1201 01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.279 a stone or something you put on your dashboard or 1202 01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:49.319 these types of things. But that's not it at all. 1203 01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:53.880 It's anything good things. Most of the time people's good. 1204 01:10:53.680 --> 01:10:55.760 Things are an idol. 1205 01:10:56.960 --> 01:11:00.000 And it just prevents you from having a true relationship 1206 01:11:00.079 --> 01:11:02.800 with God. What is it that God wants When we 1207 01:11:02.840 --> 01:11:08.039 talk about restoration, what are we being restored to? We 1208 01:11:08.119 --> 01:11:10.239 know what we're being restored from, but what is it 1209 01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:13.199 we're being restored to. Well, if you go in the 1210 01:11:13.239 --> 01:11:17.279 early pages of Genesis, God walked in the cool of 1211 01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:19.439 the morning with Adam and Eve. 1212 01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:21.199 They hung out together, they talked. 1213 01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:25.079 Could you imagine walking and talking with God all day, all. 1214 01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:28.279 Night, you know, hearing everything he has to say. 1215 01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:31.359 This is what God wants to restore us too, the 1216 01:11:31.439 --> 01:11:34.800 ability to have that kind of a relationship with him. 1217 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:36.920 But that's not what we do. 1218 01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:40.319 We walk down the aisle, we say the Sinner's prayer, 1219 01:11:40.359 --> 01:11:43.359 we convince ourselves that we're saved, we read our Bible, 1220 01:11:43.399 --> 01:11:47.039 we go to school, to church on Sundays, and then 1221 01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:51.079 we're waiting to die basically before we'll get to use 1222 01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:54.880 our Christianity. And that's not the message of the Bible 1223 01:11:54.880 --> 01:11:59.199 at all. The messages is reconciliation and restoration today so 1224 01:11:59.239 --> 01:12:02.720 that you can have the relationship now. And scripture is 1225 01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:06.800 all about the relationship with God, not the inheritance that 1226 01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:08.239 comes at the end of the road. 1227 01:12:08.960 --> 01:12:09.199 Yes. 1228 01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:12.000 Yes, it's kind of like the lady the woman at 1229 01:12:12.039 --> 01:12:14.600 the well, right, the smarton woman at the well, And 1230 01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:16.760 Jesus said, if you knew who you were talking to you, 1231 01:12:19.239 --> 01:12:22.319 it's like you're missing out of something really important here. 1232 01:12:22.680 --> 01:12:25.920 And immediately, you know, when he tells her some things 1233 01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:28.960 about her past, and it amazes her and it's like, whoa, 1234 01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:32.560 you're a prophet. Okay, let's talk about religion now. And 1235 01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:36.399 so she starts talking about, you know, whereas you Judas 1236 01:12:36.439 --> 01:12:40.159 worship God in Jerusalem, but it Smridan's worshiping Mount Garrison 1237 01:12:40.319 --> 01:12:44.199 or whatever. And so let's talk about something different. Let's 1238 01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:46.880 make this a little bit distance, right. It's a little 1239 01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:50.000 bit too personal and up close when she does that, 1240 01:12:50.079 --> 01:12:52.119 And I think we can wind up doing that as well, 1241 01:12:52.199 --> 01:12:54.680 you know, we can whoa this is I'm looking at 1242 01:12:54.760 --> 01:12:58.000 all the different mistakes that you're talking about. We see 1243 01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:00.319 this as a reading through it, and of course time 1244 01:13:00.439 --> 01:13:02.760 is compressed quite a bit when you're reading the story. 1245 01:13:03.239 --> 01:13:06.000 But you know, you see these amazing things happen, and 1246 01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:08.760 people are walking really well with God, and then all 1247 01:13:08.800 --> 01:13:11.239 of a sudden they just go into different directions like 1248 01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:13.760 now in the world could they do that? And then 1249 01:13:14.000 --> 01:13:15.720 you look at your own life and say, how did 1250 01:13:15.720 --> 01:13:20.119 I do that? You know, we fall through the same things. 1251 01:13:20.199 --> 01:13:24.399 Well, we don't like pointing the finger our direction, and 1252 01:13:24.439 --> 01:13:27.039 that's kind of why we're resistant to reading the Bible 1253 01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:30.119 that way, because it really does make us point the 1254 01:13:30.199 --> 01:13:34.920 finger at ourselves. It's so much better when you read 1255 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:39.079 through the first part of Romans. Paul starts off and 1256 01:13:39.119 --> 01:13:43.399 he talks about all the bad things non believers do 1257 01:13:43.479 --> 01:13:46.079 and how they behave. But as soon as you get 1258 01:13:46.119 --> 01:13:49.000 to chapter two, he says, now I'm talking to you 1259 01:13:49.159 --> 01:13:53.840 people who are believers, and the crime is bigger. Why 1260 01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:57.720 because you know better. They don't know better you do, 1261 01:13:58.000 --> 01:14:00.760 and yet you still choose to be gave this way. 1262 01:14:01.399 --> 01:14:04.840 So we don't like that that. You know, we're happy 1263 01:14:04.880 --> 01:14:07.479 to point our finger at other people and say, you know, 1264 01:14:07.560 --> 01:14:10.079 look at all the bad things these other people do. 1265 01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:13.680 That's why we love the Pharisees and the Israelites and 1266 01:14:13.720 --> 01:14:15.079 all that in scripture. 1267 01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:19.520 Because it's somebody else. Yeah, that's why I say replace that. 1268 01:14:19.479 --> 01:14:21.479 With your own name and see how that reads. 1269 01:14:21.840 --> 01:14:26.039 And it hits close to home. It's not challenged by it. 1270 01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:29.520 You're never gonna break down the walls that are separating 1271 01:14:29.640 --> 01:14:31.560 your relationship with God. 1272 01:14:32.479 --> 01:14:33.319 God is there. 1273 01:14:33.760 --> 01:14:37.199 We're the ones that opt to stay away from him. 1274 01:14:37.359 --> 01:14:39.239 Like you said the woman at the well, Well, I 1275 01:14:39.239 --> 01:14:41.560 don't like the idea that you know all the husbands 1276 01:14:41.600 --> 01:14:45.840 I've had, But let's talk about what the Jews do, right, Yeah, 1277 01:14:46.239 --> 01:14:49.119 it's the same thing. That's a human behavior you see 1278 01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:52.039 that you just picked up, and that's exactly what we do. 1279 01:14:52.359 --> 01:14:55.399 Yeah, yeah, let's let's argue doctrine. We can push this 1280 01:14:55.560 --> 01:14:59.079 off a little bit further out than my personal life here, 1281 01:14:59.319 --> 01:14:59.800 that's right. 1282 01:14:59.720 --> 01:15:01.880 Little, that's too close. And first of all, to talk 1283 01:15:01.880 --> 01:15:03.520 about that right. 1284 01:15:03.720 --> 01:15:06.399 Well, we hate to think it, but we do love 1285 01:15:06.439 --> 01:15:10.199 our sin because we have the power in us to 1286 01:15:10.359 --> 01:15:13.119 never sin again and to live the rest of our 1287 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:17.039 life perfectly, because that's the power of the Holy spirits. 1288 01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:22.840 We just don't want to. It's very unpopular to think 1289 01:15:22.880 --> 01:15:26.640 that way, but we choose to sin, and we choose 1290 01:15:26.680 --> 01:15:27.720 the sins we like. 1291 01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:30.359 Yes, they're not forced on us. 1292 01:15:30.800 --> 01:15:32.840 That's right, that's right. So, yeah, it wouldn't be a 1293 01:15:32.880 --> 01:15:35.239 temptation if it wasn't something we liked. 1294 01:15:35.720 --> 01:15:36.119 That's right. 1295 01:15:36.199 --> 01:15:37.279 Pleasure, that's right. 1296 01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:40.079 You talk about as we're talking about sin, you talk 1297 01:15:40.119 --> 01:15:41.640 about the age of abandonment? 1298 01:15:41.680 --> 01:15:42.399 What do you mean by that? 1299 01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:47.760 So as we approach the end times, which of course 1300 01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:51.800 everybody thinks is tomorrow, they've been thinking that two thousand years, 1301 01:15:54.119 --> 01:16:00.119 there's these different phases where we see God less and less. 1302 01:16:01.359 --> 01:16:04.239 If we look at kind of our society today and 1303 01:16:04.279 --> 01:16:07.000 you relate it back to like the nineteen fifties, you know, 1304 01:16:07.159 --> 01:16:11.399 when when married couples slept in separate beds, and you know, 1305 01:16:11.439 --> 01:16:15.640 there's all of this, these different levels of morality, and 1306 01:16:15.680 --> 01:16:19.560 you say, where has all the morality gone? What we 1307 01:16:19.640 --> 01:16:25.520 see is that God is really giving us that free 1308 01:16:25.560 --> 01:16:31.640 will he promised us. He's really allowing us to decide 1309 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:34.920 what we think we want in our lives. Because we're 1310 01:16:34.960 --> 01:16:39.600 not choosing to follow him voluntarily. He's saying, Okay, if 1311 01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:42.439 you think you know better, then let's see you go 1312 01:16:42.560 --> 01:16:43.319 out and try. 1313 01:16:44.479 --> 01:16:46.560 And what that's supposed to do is drive us. 1314 01:16:46.439 --> 01:16:49.279 Back to him to say I tried it and I failed. 1315 01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:55.119 You know, please forget about forgiveness, because that's just something 1316 01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:58.239 we throw around. I want to be reconciled again. I 1317 01:16:58.279 --> 01:17:01.880 don't want my own will. That's what the age of 1318 01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:05.720 abandonon is about. It's about people who are becoming a 1319 01:17:05.760 --> 01:17:09.000 little too high and mighty, if you will, thinking that 1320 01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:09.960 we don't need God. 1321 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:13.479 Our whole premise as humans is to find anything that 1322 01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:14.600 is not God. 1323 01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:20.000 We don't like answering to anybody, much less somebody we 1324 01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:21.319 can't see, touch and feel. 1325 01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:25.479 So God is like one of those parents who. 1326 01:17:25.960 --> 01:17:29.720 Their children are bound and determined to do something that 1327 01:17:29.960 --> 01:17:31.720 the parent knows is bad for them. 1328 01:17:31.720 --> 01:17:34.600 But the parent is going to say, Okay, if that's what. 1329 01:17:34.520 --> 01:17:37.680 You really think you want, I'm going to let you 1330 01:17:38.279 --> 01:17:41.239 do that and we'll see how it works out. And 1331 01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:44.119 that's kind of the age that we're in now. And 1332 01:17:44.159 --> 01:17:48.399 you can find in scripture that as the end time approaches, 1333 01:17:49.000 --> 01:17:53.359 this is really easily identifiable in those passages. 1334 01:17:53.880 --> 01:17:55.199 Yes, and that's. 1335 01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:56.399 Where we are now. Well. 1336 01:17:56.520 --> 01:17:59.399 I often think of the Prodigal Sun's story right about 1337 01:17:59.399 --> 01:18:02.199 the guy goes out and loves this spendthrift life and 1338 01:18:03.119 --> 01:18:05.520 father gives him his inheritance, let him go, and you know, 1339 01:18:05.600 --> 01:18:09.560 winds up learning the lesson that is there. And I've 1340 01:18:09.600 --> 01:18:13.720 often heard that offered out as a you know, an 1341 01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:17.479 example to people are not Christians, But not too many 1342 01:18:17.520 --> 01:18:19.680 people want to talk about it from the standpoint of 1343 01:18:19.720 --> 01:18:22.319 the fact that he's already his father, you know, when 1344 01:18:22.319 --> 01:18:24.560 this happens, and so this is kind of he's trun 1345 01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:26.039 about it. It's like, well, I'm going to go off 1346 01:18:26.079 --> 01:18:29.239 on my own and try this. And yet the message 1347 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:32.840 is that God is long suffering, and you're going to 1348 01:18:32.920 --> 01:18:37.000 be long suffering until you return to you. So it's 1349 01:18:37.800 --> 01:18:40.960 a good example about how I think, you know, the 1350 01:18:41.000 --> 01:18:44.720 father does not disown him, and he's ready to accept him. 1351 01:18:45.039 --> 01:18:46.680 But the guy's got to come to the end of 1352 01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:50.000 himself and realize that that's really what he needs. 1353 01:18:50.399 --> 01:18:53.399 Right, right, that his father wasn't his enemy, he was 1354 01:18:53.479 --> 01:18:54.640 really his best friend. 1355 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:57.479 That's right, Which is the message that we have with God. 1356 01:18:57.560 --> 01:19:00.760 We like to call on God when things in our 1357 01:19:00.800 --> 01:19:04.760 world get too big for us, but we don't really 1358 01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:06.880 like to call on him for the things we have 1359 01:19:07.079 --> 01:19:09.880 under control. So and I always say it, and I 1360 01:19:09.920 --> 01:19:12.399 said it in the book several times, that you know, 1361 01:19:12.560 --> 01:19:15.239 we're made in the image of God, and so we 1362 01:19:16.079 --> 01:19:20.039 misuse that much the way Lucifer did, where we create 1363 01:19:20.279 --> 01:19:23.600 and become gods of our own little worlds. We pick 1364 01:19:23.640 --> 01:19:27.119 and choose who's there, who's not, what happens, what doesn't happen, 1365 01:19:27.359 --> 01:19:29.800 and then anytime it gets a little bit bigger than us, 1366 01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:32.359 well then we turn to the big guns. Right, But 1367 01:19:32.439 --> 01:19:35.520 we don't do that on a daily regular basis. We're 1368 01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:37.640 not in a constant state of prayer. 1369 01:19:37.720 --> 01:19:39.079 As Scripture tells us. 1370 01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:42.039 We are a call on him when we need him, 1371 01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:44.119 and the rest of the thing, I'll take care of it. 1372 01:19:44.479 --> 01:19:46.640 And we often say that, well, I don't want. 1373 01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:49.239 To bother God with all the little details, as if 1374 01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:52.600 he couldn't handle them. Right, I'll save the big stuff 1375 01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:55.840 for him until I really screw it up, and then 1376 01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:58.039 then I'll bring him in and then I complain him 1377 01:19:58.039 --> 01:19:58.960 when it goes wrong. 1378 01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:01.680 And then you're missing out on a lot of stuff 1379 01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:05.359 because God does inherit those little small details in our 1380 01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:07.960 life if we actually involved him in that, so yeah, 1381 01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:08.920 he can use. 1382 01:20:09.119 --> 01:20:13.520 God wastes absolutely nothing. And if we understand that when 1383 01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:16.079 we read Scripture and we understand that, when we experience 1384 01:20:16.119 --> 01:20:19.000 a relationship with him, you know that nothing is wasted, 1385 01:20:19.399 --> 01:20:22.720 even bad things. Are used for good. 1386 01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:25.600 Right, that's right, that's right. Yeah, that's one of the 1387 01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:29.159 things Karen really taught me. You know, she'll she'll she'll 1388 01:20:29.159 --> 01:20:30.600 call on Gun for the smallest thing. I need a 1389 01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:33.079 parking space over here, I can't find my keys or whatever, 1390 01:20:33.520 --> 01:20:36.359 and then you see God right away, you know, when 1391 01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:39.720 you turn to God. One of my favorite passages is 1392 01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:45.079 this guy who's a king and he he gets something 1393 01:20:45.119 --> 01:20:47.640 happens to his foot, and the Bible just kind of 1394 01:20:47.640 --> 01:20:50.359 summarizes that he went to a doctor, so he died. 1395 01:20:51.399 --> 01:20:52.880 He didn't ask God, so he died. 1396 01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:56.000 He used to he'd rather go to a doctor and 1397 01:20:56.000 --> 01:20:58.359 get a solution there rather than going to ask God. 1398 01:20:58.399 --> 01:20:59.800 And that's one of the things to say all the 1399 01:20:59.800 --> 01:21:03.920 time is that we hear people say not only as 1400 01:21:03.960 --> 01:21:06.000 you pointed out, well that's I don't want to bother 1401 01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:08.359 God with all the small details. He's got too much 1402 01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:12.199 in his hands. Or we'll say, well, I guess there's 1403 01:21:12.239 --> 01:21:14.199 nothing left now to do but to pray about it. 1404 01:21:16.199 --> 01:21:16.880 Last resort. 1405 01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:20.000 Okay, this is my hail Mary that is coming in 1406 01:21:20.079 --> 01:21:22.880 at this point, and it's like, that's that's uh. 1407 01:21:23.359 --> 01:21:25.520 That's the probable sun I came. I've come to the 1408 01:21:25.600 --> 01:21:28.039 end of myself. Now I've got to turn back to God. 1409 01:21:28.279 --> 01:21:30.000 Yeah, that's right, that's right. 1410 01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:32.119 Well, you know, we talked about the age of abandonment, 1411 01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:35.520 and of course we're told that people will become in 1412 01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:38.399 the last days, people become lovers of themselves, and that's 1413 01:21:38.399 --> 01:21:40.960 really what we're looking at here. But there's something that's 1414 01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:41.840 a little bit hopeful. 1415 01:21:42.039 --> 01:21:43.079 And some of the. 1416 01:21:43.039 --> 01:21:47.039 Stats that that you've got here, there's in your email 1417 01:21:47.319 --> 01:21:50.279 you talk about the fact that we have and I 1418 01:21:50.319 --> 01:21:53.039 just saw an article about this as well. There are 1419 01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:57.800 a lot more young men that are investigating and looking 1420 01:21:57.800 --> 01:22:00.600 into the Bible, you know, curious at it. Then there 1421 01:22:00.600 --> 01:22:03.199 are women, which is kind of interesting at this point. 1422 01:22:03.239 --> 01:22:07.119 I think always in the past we have seen when 1423 01:22:07.159 --> 01:22:09.760 there was a time of revival, it would kind of 1424 01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:11.920 be mentioned that God would turn the hearts of the 1425 01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:15.039 fathers towards their children. I always looked at that and 1426 01:22:15.039 --> 01:22:17.039 I thought, well, I wonder if that is a sign 1427 01:22:17.119 --> 01:22:20.159 of revival or maybe as to the extent that always 1428 01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:23.119 in the past it was kind of assumed that the 1429 01:22:23.439 --> 01:22:25.880 women would be thinking about the welfare of the children. 1430 01:22:26.359 --> 01:22:29.640 Now that's not happening as much as it is men. 1431 01:22:29.720 --> 01:22:31.479 So I don't know, how do you read that? Do 1432 01:22:31.520 --> 01:22:33.079 you see that as a hopeful thing? The fact that 1433 01:22:33.119 --> 01:22:35.680 we've got a lot more men. I mean, it's good 1434 01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:41.479 when anybody of any any sex is looking for God, 1435 01:22:41.560 --> 01:22:43.960 but it's something that is unusual in our time. 1436 01:22:44.000 --> 01:22:45.720 We have not usually seen this in the past. 1437 01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:50.399 Yeah, And I think that what society has done is 1438 01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:52.640 really erased. 1439 01:22:54.079 --> 01:22:58.239 Men as anything important. 1440 01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:02.439 And men have lost their identity, and they've lost their 1441 01:23:02.520 --> 01:23:05.720 honor and their respect and their hard work, ethics and 1442 01:23:05.800 --> 01:23:09.479 all those types of things. And we've been we've been neutralized, 1443 01:23:09.560 --> 01:23:12.399 if you will. And I think what we see is 1444 01:23:12.479 --> 01:23:19.319 more men are seeking truth because they're starting to pay attention, 1445 01:23:20.239 --> 01:23:23.600 you know, as the politics and all that are ebbing 1446 01:23:23.680 --> 01:23:28.279 and flowing, you know, pro this anti that the question is, well, 1447 01:23:28.319 --> 01:23:31.039 what's real anymore? That's what we really need to know. 1448 01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:33.359 What's real? What can I hang my hat on? 1449 01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:39.079 And men who've lost their identity want a true identity, 1450 01:23:39.119 --> 01:23:41.640 they don't want to create a fake one. 1451 01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:43.079 And I think a lot of. 1452 01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:46.520 That drives their desire to say, well, let's try this 1453 01:23:46.680 --> 01:23:50.800 God thing, because I haven't tried that. So, you know, 1454 01:23:50.880 --> 01:23:54.560 you see this resurgence, and particularly in the colleges and 1455 01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:57.960 all that, which is very interesting because you know, they 1456 01:23:57.960 --> 01:24:00.399 always say, if you want to indoctrinate a society, you 1457 01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:01.359 start very young. 1458 01:24:02.560 --> 01:24:02.760 You know. 1459 01:24:02.840 --> 01:24:05.319 I remember in elementary school they were teaching us how 1460 01:24:05.399 --> 01:24:08.640 smoking was bad, even though you know, in fifth grade 1461 01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:09.960 I never thought about smoking. 1462 01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:11.880 That it was in a doctrination. 1463 01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:16.000 They're trying to stop it before it happens, right, And 1464 01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:19.279 so now you see these young men who have gone 1465 01:24:19.359 --> 01:24:22.479 through and they don't even know which bathroom to use anymore. 1466 01:24:23.279 --> 01:24:24.880 And now all of a sudden, they're in college and 1467 01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:27.399 they're like, hey, I need to grow up now and 1468 01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:30.239 you know, be somebody. I need to think about raising 1469 01:24:30.279 --> 01:24:32.199 a family and getting a career or all this. But 1470 01:24:32.239 --> 01:24:35.000 I don't even know who I am anymore. And society 1471 01:24:35.039 --> 01:24:39.239 has kind of eliminated the male as being something good. 1472 01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:42.119 It's been looked at as a bad thing for such 1473 01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:44.359 a long time that nobody wants to be one anymore. 1474 01:24:45.359 --> 01:24:47.960 But you know, short of surgery, you don't have a 1475 01:24:47.960 --> 01:24:49.079 whole lot of choice, right. 1476 01:24:49.159 --> 01:24:50.279 You are what God made you. 1477 01:24:50.439 --> 01:24:55.199 So can we make something of ourselves and can it 1478 01:24:55.279 --> 01:24:56.960 be the best that we can be? 1479 01:24:57.439 --> 01:24:58.520 And the answer, of course. 1480 01:24:58.399 --> 01:25:02.640 Is yes, it's just going to take a different way 1481 01:25:02.680 --> 01:25:05.680 of thinking instead of jumping on the bandwagon with the world. 1482 01:25:05.760 --> 01:25:08.880 We need to do what God does, go anti world. 1483 01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:11.159 My ways are not your ways, My thoughts are not 1484 01:25:11.319 --> 01:25:14.760 your thoughts, and basically. 1485 01:25:14.399 --> 01:25:16.680 Restore the dignity of being male. 1486 01:25:17.239 --> 01:25:22.159 It's not that it's superior, but it is equally important at. 1487 01:25:22.119 --> 01:25:23.159 Least, right. 1488 01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:26.880 Oh yeah, yeah, basically what the world has done, I think, 1489 01:25:27.159 --> 01:25:29.439 And it is a kind of adversity, you know, people 1490 01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:32.319 turning to God out of adversity. Of course, that can 1491 01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:35.159 be a lot of different things. It can be your health, economics, 1492 01:25:35.159 --> 01:25:39.039 it can be society in general. But in this particular case, 1493 01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:42.760 I think there's a tremendous amount of adversity because society 1494 01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:44.760 has decided that they're going to take away the role 1495 01:25:44.840 --> 01:25:49.079 of man and give it to women. And so now 1496 01:25:49.119 --> 01:25:51.319 what do I do? Right, I can't get into this 1497 01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:53.680 college because they won't even let me in. They're going 1498 01:25:53.720 --> 01:25:56.520 to give preference to a woman with us or whatever, 1499 01:25:56.600 --> 01:25:59.439 or into a job. And so it creates a real 1500 01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:02.520 system of adversity. As you point out, people are looking 1501 01:26:02.600 --> 01:26:04.319 for the meaning in their life. You know, where can 1502 01:26:04.359 --> 01:26:08.560 I find meaning in this? And whatever kind of adversity 1503 01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:12.680 we're going through. Whether it's individually or you know, collectively 1504 01:26:12.880 --> 01:26:15.520 or a group of people that are suffering from this adversity, 1505 01:26:15.920 --> 01:26:19.199 it is something that is always that's the kind of 1506 01:26:19.279 --> 01:26:22.520 thing that actually can be a real blessing in disguise. 1507 01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:28.159 Right, right, Well, once we start to recognize that God's 1508 01:26:28.199 --> 01:26:32.159 structure in the Bible talks about the man being responsible 1509 01:26:32.199 --> 01:26:36.000 for the head of his household, and society is reversing that. 1510 01:26:36.520 --> 01:26:41.239 Why because society always is looking for the anti God 1511 01:26:41.560 --> 01:26:42.760 way of doing things. 1512 01:26:42.880 --> 01:26:45.279 That's right, because that's again our human nature. 1513 01:26:45.279 --> 01:26:47.520 Our human nature is to stand on our own two feet, 1514 01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:49.960 and we don't need anybody, and we certainly don't need 1515 01:26:50.079 --> 01:26:52.840 a God. And so these are the kinds of things. Well, 1516 01:26:52.840 --> 01:26:55.239 if God's principle is to put is to make the 1517 01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:58.119 male the head of the household, let's undo that. Let's 1518 01:26:58.439 --> 01:27:02.119 emasculate the male, and you know, take that out of 1519 01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:05.359 the equation because that's anti God. And anything that's anti 1520 01:27:05.439 --> 01:27:08.239 God is seen as good because in the end times, 1521 01:27:08.439 --> 01:27:09.920 good is bad and bad is good. 1522 01:27:10.079 --> 01:27:12.880 Right to do that and see. 1523 01:27:12.600 --> 01:27:16.800 That, But that's right, yeah, absolutely, So who'd you say 1524 01:27:16.800 --> 01:27:19.439 this book is for if you're going to encapsulate this. 1525 01:27:22.880 --> 01:27:26.720 You know, there's a lot of what I said earlier 1526 01:27:26.720 --> 01:27:32.000 about label Christians, people who who have done the minimum 1527 01:27:32.039 --> 01:27:35.800 requirements to be a Christian, but they aren't really. 1528 01:27:37.239 --> 01:27:38.119 They aren't really. 1529 01:27:37.960 --> 01:27:41.760 Advancing in their Christianity. So first and foremost most of 1530 01:27:41.800 --> 01:27:44.439 it is because they don't understand who they are and 1531 01:27:44.479 --> 01:27:50.079 who their God is, and so understanding and learning how 1532 01:27:50.079 --> 01:27:53.560 to read scripture the way it's designed to be read 1533 01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:58.039 helps that kind of person. Then you have stagnant Christians, 1534 01:27:58.079 --> 01:28:02.640 people who have reached a plateau, either because they've found 1535 01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:05.640 a level of satisfaction in their Christianity and they don't 1536 01:28:05.680 --> 01:28:11.399 really want more, or they've hit the ceiling because you know, 1537 01:28:11.479 --> 01:28:15.279 what they've been taught all along is so lightweight, milk level, 1538 01:28:15.359 --> 01:28:18.880 and they're really looking for where is the bread? Where 1539 01:28:18.920 --> 01:28:22.319 is the meat in this relationship? Is this really all 1540 01:28:22.399 --> 01:28:27.520 there is? I found myself in that situation in the 1541 01:28:27.560 --> 01:28:33.399 early days of my Christianity. I started in my teen years, 1542 01:28:33.439 --> 01:28:36.560 so I wasn't raised in a Christian home by any means, 1543 01:28:37.960 --> 01:28:42.039 but I was disillusioned because you know, they said, all 1544 01:28:42.079 --> 01:28:43.960 you got to do is walk down the aisle and 1545 01:28:44.800 --> 01:28:47.960 invite Jesus into your heart, and you know, then come 1546 01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:49.840 to church on Sundays and it's like, wow, is that 1547 01:28:49.880 --> 01:28:50.600 really all there is. 1548 01:28:50.560 --> 01:28:51.159 To this deal? 1549 01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:56.840 That seems a little too too easy, right, And if 1550 01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:02.239 it's too good, it probably is when you're looking to 1551 01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:05.399 go deeper and you're looking to understand and you want 1552 01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:09.039 to figure yourself out, and you want to figure out 1553 01:29:09.119 --> 01:29:13.079 this God thing and you want Christianity to mean something, 1554 01:29:13.760 --> 01:29:15.600 then the book really speaks to. 1555 01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:16.720 That level as well. 1556 01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:20.119 But actually, you know, there's a big section in the 1557 01:29:20.159 --> 01:29:23.800 book that talks about the Bible itself, the history of it, 1558 01:29:23.920 --> 01:29:26.600 how it's written, how it's designed, where it comes from, 1559 01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:30.800 and it gives you a solid understanding of the book. 1560 01:29:33.319 --> 01:29:38.600 And that alone would cause even a non believer to say, wow, 1561 01:29:38.680 --> 01:29:43.920 if all of this is true, there's really something substantive here. 1562 01:29:44.319 --> 01:29:48.680 This is really something I should try to investigate. Actually, 1563 01:29:49.279 --> 01:29:51.039 my wife and I we have a few children who 1564 01:29:51.560 --> 01:29:57.199 aren't Christians, effectually more that aren't than are, and encouraging 1565 01:29:57.199 --> 01:29:59.800 them to read this book if for Noah's a reason 1566 01:29:59.840 --> 01:30:02.920 to understand what it is they're choosing. 1567 01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:03.439 To not believe in. 1568 01:30:04.239 --> 01:30:06.760 And so this section that talks about the Bible and 1569 01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:11.680 it's all historical fact and it's non religious, historical fact. 1570 01:30:12.199 --> 01:30:15.039 You know, it's archives and histories and these types of things, 1571 01:30:15.800 --> 01:30:18.279 but written in a way that anybody can understand. So 1572 01:30:18.319 --> 01:30:21.199 it's not heavy theological. None of my books really are, 1573 01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:23.199 because really what I want to do is talk to 1574 01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:25.840 the average person right in a way that they can 1575 01:30:25.960 --> 01:30:30.920 understand and appreciate and identify. So in that sense, you know, 1576 01:30:31.039 --> 01:30:33.359 even a non believer could read this and say, wow, 1577 01:30:33.399 --> 01:30:36.960 I had no idea when I read this junk before 1578 01:30:36.960 --> 01:30:40.159 in my life that it actually was talking about me. 1579 01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:44.800 And like I said before me, that's our favorite subject, 1580 01:30:44.920 --> 01:30:45.880 right of course. 1581 01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:47.720 We want to read all about ourselves. 1582 01:30:48.399 --> 01:30:50.119 So if we can learn how to do that and 1583 01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:53.000 see ourselves in scripture. Really the book is for so 1584 01:30:53.239 --> 01:30:56.800 many different audiences, but for different reasons. 1585 01:30:57.119 --> 01:31:00.439 Yes, yeah, you know, let's say it does cerly is 1586 01:31:00.479 --> 01:31:03.680 a history book, but there's so many other aspects to 1587 01:31:03.720 --> 01:31:05.720 it as well. You know, what, you get into science 1588 01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:08.920 and you start looking at different things, whether it's astronomy 1589 01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:11.279 or whether it's microbiology or all these other things, and 1590 01:31:11.279 --> 01:31:15.119 you start seeing intelligent design either in the universe. We 1591 01:31:15.199 --> 01:31:17.880 just had one of the astronauts who came back and 1592 01:31:18.239 --> 01:31:22.039 he's an atheist, and he just felt like it was 1593 01:31:22.039 --> 01:31:24.680 a religious experience for him, just to see creation. And 1594 01:31:24.720 --> 01:31:27.840 of course we're told, but you know, day after day 1595 01:31:27.840 --> 01:31:29.960 and night after night it pours out speech, but it 1596 01:31:30.000 --> 01:31:32.880 doesn't you know, you don't hear it in words, but 1597 01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:35.399 you see it that is there, and you know that 1598 01:31:35.439 --> 01:31:38.199 there is a creator that is behind all of this stuff. 1599 01:31:38.640 --> 01:31:41.439 And so when you look at it from that standpoint, 1600 01:31:41.520 --> 01:31:44.960 I found over the years as I would get involved 1601 01:31:44.960 --> 01:31:47.800 in science or different things like that, it just it 1602 01:31:47.880 --> 01:31:51.079 kept like layers of an onion that kept going back. 1603 01:31:51.199 --> 01:31:54.600 I remember going to SeaWorld with the kids and we're 1604 01:31:54.640 --> 01:31:59.479 looking at the penguins swimming and they have an observation 1605 01:31:59.520 --> 01:32:01.840 thing where you're below the water level and you can 1606 01:32:01.880 --> 01:32:04.720 see them swimming in the water and they're actually flying. 1607 01:32:05.960 --> 01:32:08.399 A lot about it, I thought, yeah, they're actually flying. 1608 01:32:08.439 --> 01:32:12.319 It's just that they're going through a thicker fluid than air, 1609 01:32:12.560 --> 01:32:15.159 is right, because you know, normally you've got to have 1610 01:32:15.199 --> 01:32:17.439 the you know, flight is about having a big engine 1611 01:32:17.439 --> 01:32:20.039 that's going to pull you through the air quickly enough 1612 01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:25.079 that it's going to increase the effective viscosity of the fluids. 1613 01:32:25.079 --> 01:32:27.840 So these are you know, they're they're flying, but they're 1614 01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:30.239 flying in the water. And then I thought about that, 1615 01:32:30.279 --> 01:32:33.000 and I thought, you know, now, why would Moses group 1616 01:32:33.079 --> 01:32:35.640 together the things that fly and the things that swim. 1617 01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:38.319 At the same time, he wasn't an engineer, he wasn't 1618 01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:42.039 interested in aerodynamics, knew nothing about the science of aerodynamics 1619 01:32:42.079 --> 01:32:44.479 or fluids or anything like that. So you constantly see 1620 01:32:44.800 --> 01:32:48.319 these types of things as they come back. You know, 1621 01:32:48.359 --> 01:32:51.079 if you've got if you've read the Bible and you've 1622 01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:53.119 looked at some of this stuff, it'll come back to 1623 01:32:53.159 --> 01:32:55.880 you and it's like, oh, so that's why, you know, 1624 01:32:56.000 --> 01:32:59.479 God created the things that fly and the things that 1625 01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:02.479 or now he classifies him as a matter of fact. 1626 01:33:02.560 --> 01:33:05.000 You know, on this day, I create the things that 1627 01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:08.199 are moving in this way, and on that day, I 1628 01:33:08.239 --> 01:33:09.960 create the things that are moving in that way. And 1629 01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:11.840 it's like, so, why would he do that? It's kind 1630 01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:14.479 of strange classification until you look at it and then 1631 01:33:14.520 --> 01:33:17.840 it makes sense. And so there's things like that that 1632 01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:21.079 just keep coming back. And when I look at this 1633 01:33:21.159 --> 01:33:23.720 and you're talking about our relationship with God and what 1634 01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:26.159 does it say about us that it made me think 1635 01:33:26.199 --> 01:33:30.560 to him about the Westminster Confession, which again goes back 1636 01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:33.039 several hundred years, A lot of people use that what 1637 01:33:33.159 --> 01:33:36.039 is the chief end of man is to glorify God 1638 01:33:36.079 --> 01:33:37.199 and to enjoy him forever? 1639 01:33:38.399 --> 01:33:41.520 Right right, Well, Solomon came up with the same thing. 1640 01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:44.079 I had all the money in the world, all the 1641 01:33:44.119 --> 01:33:46.720 wisdom in the world. Why and women in song, all 1642 01:33:46.840 --> 01:33:49.199 those things. If the head rock music back then, he'd 1643 01:33:49.239 --> 01:33:52.680 have had that too. He had basically everything. And how 1644 01:33:52.680 --> 01:33:56.439 does he sum the whole thing up? Yeah, all he 1645 01:33:56.479 --> 01:33:59.720 says in the end is ultimately all of that was 1646 01:33:59.840 --> 01:34:02.439 just grasping at the wind, and the only thing of 1647 01:34:02.479 --> 01:34:06.159 any value whatsoever is just to have a relationship and 1648 01:34:06.199 --> 01:34:10.479 a respect for God. If we can't learn a lesson 1649 01:34:10.920 --> 01:34:14.520 from the one person who truly did have everything everything 1650 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:17.600 a man ever dreams of, he had it all, And 1651 01:34:17.720 --> 01:34:20.800 yet in the end he says it's all worthless. And 1652 01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:25.600 that's true because where is all that wealth today? Where 1653 01:34:25.680 --> 01:34:29.800 is all that gold and silver and all? Nobody knows? 1654 01:34:29.840 --> 01:34:33.079 It evaporated? It went to you know, different kingdoms, different people. 1655 01:34:33.199 --> 01:34:33.600 Who knows. 1656 01:34:33.640 --> 01:34:35.479 We might even be wearing it a ring on our finger. 1657 01:34:35.560 --> 01:34:36.800 We don't really even know. 1658 01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:41.239 Because it wasn't about the stuff. The stuff was worthless. 1659 01:34:41.960 --> 01:34:44.880 It was about the relationship with God. That is really 1660 01:34:44.960 --> 01:34:48.880 the chief end to man. It's actually the chief beginning 1661 01:34:49.079 --> 01:34:52.000 of man, because once we understand that and we can 1662 01:34:52.039 --> 01:34:56.199 relate to God, we can actually really live. We live 1663 01:34:56.279 --> 01:34:58.279 with a lot of fear in our lives. But if 1664 01:34:58.279 --> 01:35:01.319 we understand that God's in control, what is it we're 1665 01:35:01.319 --> 01:35:01.800 afraid of? 1666 01:35:02.439 --> 01:35:03.600 That's right, that's right. 1667 01:35:04.119 --> 01:35:06.600 Yeah, we're not really understanding that, are we. 1668 01:35:06.880 --> 01:35:07.319 That's right. 1669 01:35:07.399 --> 01:35:08.960 Try to remind people that all the time because I 1670 01:35:09.199 --> 01:35:12.640 covered the news, and the news is just fear based. Actually, 1671 01:35:12.680 --> 01:35:15.920 you know, you don't see too much that's good news anymore. 1672 01:35:15.960 --> 01:35:18.399 But there is a good news, but that's pretty much 1673 01:35:18.399 --> 01:35:22.359 limited to Christ and to God, and you know, glorifying 1674 01:35:22.439 --> 01:35:25.520 him in a way that is enjoying him. It's praising 1675 01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:29.279 him and glorifying him. So that really is almost redundant 1676 01:35:29.279 --> 01:35:31.560 there in a sense, except that. 1677 01:35:31.560 --> 01:35:33.680 As humans, we don't want to hear the good news. 1678 01:35:33.960 --> 01:35:34.359 That's right. 1679 01:35:34.439 --> 01:35:37.000 He seemed to be drawn to the bad news. 1680 01:35:38.479 --> 01:35:39.279 Why is that? 1681 01:35:39.479 --> 01:35:39.640 You know? 1682 01:35:39.720 --> 01:35:43.359 That's that another one of those human behaviors. It's anti 1683 01:35:43.600 --> 01:35:44.840 God behavior. 1684 01:35:45.239 --> 01:35:45.720 That's right. 1685 01:35:46.079 --> 01:35:48.640 Well, it's good good news, we prefer the bad news, 1686 01:35:48.680 --> 01:35:49.079 that's right. 1687 01:35:49.119 --> 01:35:51.760 It's what you were talking about with you know, immediately 1688 01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:53.960 they get delivered out of Egypt, and right away they're 1689 01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:56.359 building an idol of golden calf or whatever. And then 1690 01:35:56.439 --> 01:35:59.680 later on, as you point out, they want something that 1691 01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:03.239 is tangible, that's physical, that they can focus on. That's 1692 01:36:03.279 --> 01:36:05.279 right there. So what they do they ask for a king, 1693 01:36:05.840 --> 01:36:09.640 right rather than having God, which you know, God is 1694 01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:13.039 not some one that they can look at right there, 1695 01:36:13.039 --> 01:36:16.199 So they want to replace him with a king, you know. 1696 01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:18.960 And so he says to Samuel, they haven't rejected you. 1697 01:36:19.000 --> 01:36:19.840 They rejected me. 1698 01:36:21.239 --> 01:36:22.720 Even though they were warned. 1699 01:36:23.079 --> 01:36:27.039 Yeah, what a king would do if they said, I 1700 01:36:27.079 --> 01:36:29.279 don't care, I want him anyway, that's right. 1701 01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:31.960 Yeah, when I was with the Libertarian Party and we 1702 01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:34.479 were doing stuff that that was one passage that they 1703 01:36:34.520 --> 01:36:36.359 all knew. They said, So, you know, they asked for 1704 01:36:36.359 --> 01:36:38.000 a king, and they said, so he's going to tax you, 1705 01:36:38.039 --> 01:36:40.159 he's going to send your young men to war, and 1706 01:36:40.199 --> 01:36:41.960 all the other kind of stuff that say, that's what 1707 01:36:42.039 --> 01:36:45.439 government does. And but of course it doesn't really appeal 1708 01:36:45.479 --> 01:36:48.800 to people. You can't really convince them anymore than Samuel 1709 01:36:48.840 --> 01:36:50.920 could convince the Israelites at that point in time. 1710 01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:54.159 Well, I think we prefer to sit around and complain 1711 01:36:54.199 --> 01:36:57.640 about our government, not only Yeah, it doesn't. 1712 01:36:57.359 --> 01:36:58.800 Matter who our government is. 1713 01:36:58.880 --> 01:37:01.159 We'll find something to come plain about, that's right, And 1714 01:37:01.199 --> 01:37:03.319 we'll just slip one side to the other, back and forth, 1715 01:37:03.359 --> 01:37:07.479 back and forth. Good king's bad kings, right, because that's 1716 01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:12.960 what we do as humans, that's right, relying on God. 1717 01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:13.600 That's right. 1718 01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:15.319 Yeah, we can lay it off on them and if 1719 01:37:15.319 --> 01:37:16.960 it goes bad, it's their fault, but of course there 1720 01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:20.199 won't be any any punishment for them either. Well, it's 1721 01:37:20.239 --> 01:37:24.600 a wonderful talking to you about this. And again, if 1722 01:37:24.640 --> 01:37:27.520 you are somebody who's out there looking for meaning in 1723 01:37:27.560 --> 01:37:30.960 your life, or you're going through adversity or whatever, we 1724 01:37:31.039 --> 01:37:33.479 would recommend that you take a look at the Bible. 1725 01:37:34.039 --> 01:37:36.600 And this is a tool I think that will help 1726 01:37:36.640 --> 01:37:40.319 you to do that wisely, and kind of walk alongside 1727 01:37:40.359 --> 01:37:42.319 of you and give you some pointers and how to 1728 01:37:43.600 --> 01:37:46.920 understand it and how to really apply it in your life. 1729 01:37:47.319 --> 01:37:49.359 That's always a good thing. Of course, you know, God 1730 01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:52.119 is going to be our teacher. He has promised that 1731 01:37:53.720 --> 01:37:56.920 Christ promised the Holy Spirit to Christians to guide them 1732 01:37:56.920 --> 01:37:59.319 and to teach them. But he's also told us that 1733 01:37:59.399 --> 01:38:01.840 iron sharp thans iron, and so I think this is 1734 01:38:01.840 --> 01:38:05.760 something this book, the Book of Us, I think is 1735 01:38:05.800 --> 01:38:09.560 something that would really helped to sharpen you as well. Again, 1736 01:38:09.720 --> 01:38:13.079 Tim mulgrew is the author and the book is the 1737 01:38:13.119 --> 01:38:15.000 Book of Us. Thank you so much, Tim. I really 1738 01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:16.000 appreciate talking to you. 1739 01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:21.239 It's very interesting, Yeah, very I love these kind of conversations. 1740 01:38:21.399 --> 01:38:24.600 Yes, Yes, it's very important, a very important conversation to have, 1741 01:38:24.960 --> 01:38:27.760 the one between you and God. And I think that's 1742 01:38:27.800 --> 01:38:30.520 a key takeaway that you've got in your book. Thank 1743 01:38:30.520 --> 01:38:31.840 you so much for joining us. 1744 01:38:32.159 --> 01:40:09.279 Thank you. 1745 01:40:09.279 --> 01:40:11.680 You're listening to the David Knight Show. 1746 01:40:14.720 --> 01:40:17.800 Tell Alexa to add the APS Radio skill and have 1747 01:40:17.920 --> 01:40:21.199 access to the best channels anywhere from country to blues, 1748 01:40:21.359 --> 01:40:25.880 classic hits to news. APS Radio curates incredibly diverse playlists 1749 01:40:25.880 --> 01:40:30.039 for you to enjoy. Get details at apsradio dot com. 1750 01:40:30.600 --> 01:40:33.439 Joining us now is the CEO of a company called Pebble. 1751 01:40:33.520 --> 01:40:37.560 His name is John Shively and this company is focused, 1752 01:40:37.560 --> 01:40:39.439 I believe on copper. At least that's what we're talking 1753 01:40:39.439 --> 01:40:43.520 about in terms of this interview, the need for copper. 1754 01:40:43.960 --> 01:40:45.119 When we'll talk about. 1755 01:40:45.039 --> 01:40:48.159 The opposition from the Trump administration on this, which is 1756 01:40:48.199 --> 01:40:51.840 really kind of surprising. We see Donald Trump saying we 1757 01:40:51.920 --> 01:40:54.800 need to be completely self sufficient in the United States. 1758 01:40:54.840 --> 01:40:57.239 And yet, as we've seen with rare earth and with 1759 01:40:57.319 --> 01:41:00.720 many other minerals, if we don't have the fundamental building blocks, 1760 01:41:00.720 --> 01:41:04.239 whether we're talking about copper or aluminium or rare earth, 1761 01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:06.960 we're not going to be able to build anything because 1762 01:41:07.079 --> 01:41:10.399 China is going to if they've got a monopoly on this, 1763 01:41:10.520 --> 01:41:13.279 that they're going to make it difficult for people domestically 1764 01:41:13.359 --> 01:41:16.000 to manufacture with that. So we're going to talk about 1765 01:41:16.079 --> 01:41:20.359 the issues of the general opposition to mining that is 1766 01:41:20.399 --> 01:41:23.920 faced in the United States with mister Shively. So thank 1767 01:41:23.960 --> 01:41:27.479 you for joining us. I thank you, David layout for 1768 01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:30.760 us a little bit. Where we stand in terms of copper. 1769 01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:33.039 Do we have a lot of copper in the United States? 1770 01:41:33.279 --> 01:41:35.760 How are we in terms of being able to produce 1771 01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:38.800 and manufacture that and get it online even if we 1772 01:41:38.840 --> 01:41:40.800 have it in the ground. Where do we stand on that? 1773 01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:44.119 Well? I think we have plenty of copper in this country. 1774 01:41:44.760 --> 01:41:49.960 You know, Bubble is the largest undeveloped copper project in 1775 01:41:50.000 --> 01:41:54.960 the world. But you know there's a large resolution in Arizona. 1776 01:41:56.079 --> 01:42:02.560 This is large copper deposit up in northern Minnesota, and others. 1777 01:42:02.600 --> 01:42:06.680 So we have the copper we need if we can develop. 1778 01:42:06.840 --> 01:42:09.840 But I think that you know, the thing that people 1779 01:42:09.920 --> 01:42:12.720 need to understand is the role that the Chinese are 1780 01:42:12.760 --> 01:42:18.079 currently playing in mineral development and mineral and particularly mineral processing. 1781 01:42:19.720 --> 01:42:22.319 There's a study that was done by S and P 1782 01:42:22.479 --> 01:42:26.279 Global recently that says that by twenty forty we'll have 1783 01:42:26.319 --> 01:42:33.159 a ten million ton deficit worldwide of copper. And the 1784 01:42:33.239 --> 01:42:36.159 Chinese have seen this coming for some time, so you know, 1785 01:42:36.199 --> 01:42:39.239 they have a whole different way of doing things. You know, 1786 01:42:39.319 --> 01:42:42.359 if they want a copper processing plant, they build it. 1787 01:42:42.399 --> 01:42:44.560 If they need more power to run that plant, they 1788 01:42:44.600 --> 01:42:50.960 build it. They have no processing or no environmental process, 1789 01:42:51.119 --> 01:42:56.640 no litigation, none of that. In this country. It takes 1790 01:42:56.680 --> 01:42:59.520 an average of twenty nine years from when you find 1791 01:43:00.720 --> 01:43:06.760 to when you actually can be mining. It were the 1792 01:43:06.800 --> 01:43:08.159 second worst in the world. 1793 01:43:08.359 --> 01:43:12.199 Wow, that's regulatory hang up with that that you're talking about, 1794 01:43:12.199 --> 01:43:15.119 because as you point out, and the materiity sent to me, 1795 01:43:15.560 --> 01:43:17.840 Beijing is doing it in five years. So you know, 1796 01:43:17.840 --> 01:43:20.039 it takes a while to actually build something and to 1797 01:43:20.119 --> 01:43:23.319 exploit it. The rest of that time going between five 1798 01:43:23.399 --> 01:43:26.319 years and twenty nine years. The rest of that is 1799 01:43:26.359 --> 01:43:29.960 in terms of investigation and approval processes and that type 1800 01:43:30.000 --> 01:43:30.239 of thing. 1801 01:43:31.239 --> 01:43:35.520 And don't forget litigation, which you can add anywhere from 1802 01:43:35.720 --> 01:43:38.319 three to ten years now. 1803 01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:40.239 You pointed out in the op ed piece that you 1804 01:43:40.319 --> 01:43:47.079 did that was published on Fox that Donald Trump Junior 1805 01:43:47.600 --> 01:43:52.720 opposed this early on. He was concerned about phishing and 1806 01:43:52.960 --> 01:43:55.640 that sport fishing. I think it was tell us a 1807 01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:58.640 little bit about the site that's there in Alaska. This 1808 01:43:58.680 --> 01:43:59.880 is one that we're talking about. 1809 01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:04.279 Yeah, actually I didn't point it out Fox News conveniently 1810 01:44:05.600 --> 01:44:09.680 for me. So well, first of all, I want to 1811 01:44:09.680 --> 01:44:13.520 talk about that. I think, you know, he has a 1812 01:44:13.520 --> 01:44:17.600 different view now, maybe because of the Nations and his 1813 01:44:17.720 --> 01:44:21.239 dad's emphasis on getting critical minerals so that we can 1814 01:44:21.720 --> 01:44:25.720 be independent of those. But we sit in a sensitive area. 1815 01:44:25.760 --> 01:44:29.520 We've always understood that it's in the Bristol Bay area 1816 01:44:29.760 --> 01:44:35.560 that's the largest socc fishery in the world, and we've 1817 01:44:35.600 --> 01:44:40.039 always known that we needed to be especially concerned about 1818 01:44:40.079 --> 01:44:46.039 the environment, and so we went through a permitting process 1819 01:44:46.079 --> 01:44:49.920 back starting in twenty seventeen. We got an environmental impact 1820 01:44:50.000 --> 01:44:52.960 statement that said we can do this project without harming 1821 01:44:53.000 --> 01:44:58.680 the fish. And then politics got involved and the Corp 1822 01:44:58.680 --> 01:45:03.560 of Engineers turned down our We appealed that decision and 1823 01:45:04.119 --> 01:45:08.319 won our appeal. That got remanded back to the corp 1824 01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:12.680 of Engineers. But by then the Biden administration had come in. 1825 01:45:13.479 --> 01:45:15.840 They did nothing with it while they let the EPA 1826 01:45:16.000 --> 01:45:19.000 come up with a decision to basic veto not only 1827 01:45:19.039 --> 01:45:21.880 the whole project but close off mining at a two 1828 01:45:22.000 --> 01:45:27.159 hundred and twenty thousand acre area in Alaska of land 1829 01:45:27.159 --> 01:45:30.319 that's owned by the State of Alaska and was specifically 1830 01:45:30.359 --> 01:45:33.319 gotten by the State of Alaska because they knew there 1831 01:45:33.399 --> 01:45:35.520 was some mineral potential in that area. 1832 01:45:36.439 --> 01:45:38.319 And of course you have been involved in the State 1833 01:45:38.359 --> 01:45:42.279 of Alaska in terms of what was your position there 1834 01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:43.800 in terms of resources. 1835 01:45:44.159 --> 01:45:46.920 I was Commissioner Natural Resources for about six years for. 1836 01:45:46.920 --> 01:45:48.840 The state, all right, and so the state wanted to 1837 01:45:48.920 --> 01:45:51.680 do this, but the federal government is coming in and 1838 01:45:51.880 --> 01:45:54.239 saying that they can't do that. And you know, we 1839 01:45:54.560 --> 01:45:56.439 kind of I jumped ahead a little bit with some 1840 01:45:56.520 --> 01:45:58.279 of this, but you know, we talked about the bigger 1841 01:45:58.399 --> 01:46:02.359 picture here. You pointed out in your stats that right 1842 01:46:02.399 --> 01:46:04.920 now we import about half of the copper that we use. 1843 01:46:04.960 --> 01:46:06.840 I think it's forty five percent or something like that 1844 01:46:07.199 --> 01:46:11.239 if this were to come online, that would drop us 1845 01:46:11.319 --> 01:46:13.920 to by about fifteen points. It take us down to 1846 01:46:13.920 --> 01:46:16.319 about so we go from about a half of the 1847 01:46:16.359 --> 01:46:19.760 copper that we use being imported to about a third. 1848 01:46:20.439 --> 01:46:23.479 And it's a huge amount of copper that is there. 1849 01:46:23.520 --> 01:46:26.319 And of course why is copper so important. Well, that 1850 01:46:26.359 --> 01:46:28.199 gets in the way of all their agendas. I mean, 1851 01:46:28.239 --> 01:46:32.479 the Trump administration is not pushing like the Biden administration 1852 01:46:32.680 --> 01:46:37.560 did for electrical vehicles, but everything that you electrify that's 1853 01:46:37.560 --> 01:46:39.760 pretty much going to be copper wiring. And so if 1854 01:46:39.800 --> 01:46:42.960 they want to have their AI data centers that they're 1855 01:46:43.000 --> 01:46:45.000 looking down the road, they're not going to have the 1856 01:46:45.039 --> 01:46:47.720 material to build that unless they can get it from China. 1857 01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:51.279 And so this is kind of the it's kind of 1858 01:46:51.279 --> 01:46:54.960 interesting when you look at it. It moves very quickly 1859 01:46:55.039 --> 01:46:58.279 on these different agendas, and you know, if that is 1860 01:46:58.279 --> 01:47:01.199 his agenda, he hasn't really thought it through what it's 1861 01:47:01.239 --> 01:47:03.720 going to take to make this happen. In the same 1862 01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:06.159 way that we saw with rare earth. The rare earths 1863 01:47:06.199 --> 01:47:08.760 are not rare, it's just rare for anybody to be 1864 01:47:08.840 --> 01:47:12.479 set up to process them. And yet they didn't wait 1865 01:47:12.600 --> 01:47:16.319 until they had processing plants before they essentially cut that 1866 01:47:16.439 --> 01:47:18.239 off with the trade wars and the terraces. 1867 01:47:19.880 --> 01:47:21.960 Yeah, I mean China has a whole different system than 1868 01:47:22.000 --> 01:47:25.319 we do. I mean they basically control the whole supply 1869 01:47:25.439 --> 01:47:28.560 chain from getting the concentrate either from their own country 1870 01:47:28.640 --> 01:47:31.800 or from other countries, processing that into metal, and then 1871 01:47:31.840 --> 01:47:35.680 putting the metal into whether it's what now is a 1872 01:47:35.760 --> 01:47:42.399 huge ev industry, refrigerators, solar panels, all of that, and 1873 01:47:42.439 --> 01:47:45.119 when they want to do stuff, they do it. They 1874 01:47:45.159 --> 01:47:50.359 currently do process about half the world's copper in this country. 1875 01:47:50.399 --> 01:47:52.439 We have plenty of copper. I mean, if you look 1876 01:47:52.479 --> 01:47:54.920 at us, if you look at resolution in Arizona, if 1877 01:47:54.920 --> 01:48:00.520 you look at twin Metals up in Minnesota, you know 1878 01:48:01.000 --> 01:48:04.119 the copper is there. But there's a piece of it 1879 01:48:04.159 --> 01:48:09.439 that requires I think a lot of thought and a 1880 01:48:09.479 --> 01:48:12.840 lot of investment, and that is the processing. So mining 1881 01:48:12.960 --> 01:48:15.760 is basically, in my mind, three steps. You blow up 1882 01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:19.159 the rock, you take the rock with the ore, and 1883 01:48:19.239 --> 01:48:23.520 it you process into something called concentrate. So like for us, 1884 01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:28.920 the ore would have a one percent minimalization, the concentrate 1885 01:48:28.920 --> 01:48:30.640 would have about twenty six. And then you take the 1886 01:48:30.680 --> 01:48:33.399 concentrate and make the metal. Well, we haven't built a 1887 01:48:33.439 --> 01:48:39.560 new metal copper processing place in this country in probably 1888 01:48:39.560 --> 01:48:43.319 three or four decades. Meanwhile, China's been building them left 1889 01:48:43.359 --> 01:48:43.720 and right. 1890 01:48:43.960 --> 01:48:46.399 It's kind of like coal plants, you know, we don't 1891 01:48:46.399 --> 01:48:49.239 want to use the coal anymore. I remember one point 1892 01:48:49.279 --> 01:48:53.039 in time, we were told that after the Opay coil embargo, 1893 01:48:53.119 --> 01:48:55.760 we were told and I saved the magazines because I 1894 01:48:55.760 --> 01:48:58.479 thought it was ludicrous at the time. Even they said, oh, 1895 01:48:58.479 --> 01:49:00.640 we're going to be out of oil and asked by 1896 01:49:00.680 --> 01:49:03.600 the mid nineteen eighties. But we've got six hundred and 1897 01:49:03.600 --> 01:49:05.439 sixty six years of coal left. 1898 01:49:05.640 --> 01:49:07.840 So what's the first thing they've banned coal? You know? 1899 01:49:09.119 --> 01:49:12.439 Well, and of course we've been at quote peak oil 1900 01:49:13.880 --> 01:49:18.640 several times since then, and right now, I don't think 1901 01:49:18.680 --> 01:49:22.880 we've ever reached peak oil because technology keeps getting better 1902 01:49:22.920 --> 01:49:26.520 in that decision, right, if you look minding in the investment, 1903 01:49:26.640 --> 01:49:29.800 I mean, you know, we've spent a billion dollars already. 1904 01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:35.279 Resolution in Arizona has spent two billion. Neither one of 1905 01:49:35.359 --> 01:49:38.279 us have gotten announced or out of the ground to process. 1906 01:49:38.399 --> 01:49:44.439 I mean, and eventually, if these big projects like Pebble 1907 01:49:44.520 --> 01:49:49.399 resolution twin metals can't get going then people will stop 1908 01:49:49.439 --> 01:49:53.880 investing in mining in the US and then to get 1909 01:49:53.920 --> 01:49:56.119 back to processing a little bit. The other problem that 1910 01:49:56.159 --> 01:49:58.840 we have, and it's happened with rare earths, is we 1911 01:49:58.960 --> 01:50:03.560 start to build something up and then the Chinese undercut 1912 01:50:03.640 --> 01:50:07.239 in price. So right now, for instance, for processing copper, 1913 01:50:09.000 --> 01:50:13.119 China is paying people to take their concentrate and process it, 1914 01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:16.640 which is basically unheard of. But because they can then 1915 01:50:16.680 --> 01:50:19.520 take the metal and make all this other stuff, they 1916 01:50:19.520 --> 01:50:22.840 don't care about that. Whereas if we start processing plants 1917 01:50:22.880 --> 01:50:26.279 are usually they're sometimes associated with the mining companies usually, 1918 01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:29.399 but you know, you need to make a profit, and 1919 01:50:29.439 --> 01:50:34.119 those are billion, multi billion dollar investments. And so how 1920 01:50:34.319 --> 01:50:38.159 the country faces that issue of getting processing, because that's 1921 01:50:38.159 --> 01:50:42.079 the only way we become independent with metals is to 1922 01:50:42.119 --> 01:50:45.359 be able to process it here, mine it here, and 1923 01:50:45.399 --> 01:50:46.239 process it here. 1924 01:50:46.520 --> 01:50:46.960 Yeah. 1925 01:50:47.079 --> 01:50:50.600 Yeah, Well, they've got all these grandiose plans of artificial intelligence, 1926 01:50:50.600 --> 01:50:53.000 which a lot of those plans I don't agree with 1927 01:50:53.039 --> 01:50:55.319 because the government's going to be using them for surveillance 1928 01:50:55.359 --> 01:50:57.279 and other things like that that don't concern me a 1929 01:50:57.279 --> 01:51:00.000 great deal. But they've got these big plans for AI. 1930 01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:03.159 And yet how you're going to manufacture that. How you're 1931 01:51:03.159 --> 01:51:05.640 going to build the data centers if we can't manufacture 1932 01:51:05.880 --> 01:51:07.960 even the copper wire and things like that. They don't 1933 01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:11.439 really think these things through. Everybody thinks, well, it's going 1934 01:51:11.520 --> 01:51:14.640 to be this nice, clean software environment, but you know, 1935 01:51:14.720 --> 01:51:16.760 there is a physical world out there that has to 1936 01:51:16.800 --> 01:51:20.439 make that virtual world happen, and people don't really think 1937 01:51:20.479 --> 01:51:25.199 that through. When you talk about the processing versus the mining, 1938 01:51:25.800 --> 01:51:28.640 are you doing the processing as well as the mining 1939 01:51:29.079 --> 01:51:31.600 or is that you know, how does that operate with 1940 01:51:31.800 --> 01:51:32.319 your company? 1941 01:51:32.399 --> 01:51:35.600 Well, you know, we'll do the first two steps for sure. 1942 01:51:35.640 --> 01:51:38.239 So we'll blow up the rock and we'll take that 1943 01:51:38.399 --> 01:51:41.439 rock and make it into a concentrate. We are looking 1944 01:51:41.560 --> 01:51:46.680 at a way to process it in Alaska, and we've 1945 01:51:46.760 --> 01:51:51.840 got consultants investigating that right now. We think there's a 1946 01:51:51.840 --> 01:51:55.279 different technology. Usually the processing has been what's called smelting, 1947 01:51:55.319 --> 01:52:00.159 which is high heat and has you know, air quality issues. 1948 01:52:00.520 --> 01:52:05.920 There's a processing called hydro metallurgy that uses liquids and 1949 01:52:06.000 --> 01:52:13.760 pressure basically to get the metal to come out of 1950 01:52:13.800 --> 01:52:17.119 the concentrate. So we would like to do that because 1951 01:52:17.119 --> 01:52:18.760 we think it's important. 1952 01:52:20.479 --> 01:52:23.039 Well, let's talk a little bit about what their concerns 1953 01:52:23.079 --> 01:52:25.560 are because you know, when I've looked at the coal 1954 01:52:25.600 --> 01:52:28.600 industry for example, you know, burning coal, we can make 1955 01:52:28.760 --> 01:52:32.279 coal power plants that are very clean. I can spend 1956 01:52:32.359 --> 01:52:35.560 extra money to have scrubbers and things like that. But 1957 01:52:36.199 --> 01:52:38.039 they got to the point where they labeled it as 1958 01:52:38.039 --> 01:52:40.359 something that's dirty. We don't even want to think about that. 1959 01:52:40.399 --> 01:52:44.199 We're not even going to try to clean that process 1960 01:52:44.279 --> 01:52:46.840 up in any way, shape or form. We've seen it 1961 01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:49.119 with cars that you can take car exhaust and you 1962 01:52:49.119 --> 01:52:51.920 can spend extra money to clean it up and you 1963 01:52:51.920 --> 01:52:55.199 can actually get those missions down to essentially zero. But 1964 01:52:55.359 --> 01:52:59.039 again they drive the nail in the ground and say no, 1965 01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:02.199 there will be no ternal combustion engines. Talk to us 1966 01:53:02.199 --> 01:53:05.479 a little bit about the process with us, and what 1967 01:53:05.520 --> 01:53:09.239 would you say to people to assuage their concerns about 1968 01:53:09.239 --> 01:53:12.359 the environment and how it's going to impact the fishing stuff. 1969 01:53:12.439 --> 01:53:15.079 What did your studies show and how do you operate 1970 01:53:15.119 --> 01:53:15.359 with that? 1971 01:53:16.319 --> 01:53:19.920 Well, the Environmental Impacts statement basically showed that we can 1972 01:53:19.960 --> 01:53:24.520 do the process, do the mining, make the concentrate, store 1973 01:53:24.560 --> 01:53:27.079 the tailings, which is the big issue. It's the sort 1974 01:53:27.119 --> 01:53:31.880 of waste that sorts over from the processing. Our processing 1975 01:53:31.960 --> 01:53:37.680 concentrate that we can do that. We have made some 1976 01:53:37.840 --> 01:53:44.399 major design changes from what have been traditional impoundment storage facilities, 1977 01:53:44.720 --> 01:53:48.560 water processing and things like that because the environments so 1978 01:53:49.520 --> 01:53:55.359 sensitive there. And you know, I was approached in two 1979 01:53:55.359 --> 01:53:58.520 thousand and eight to take the job as CEO. I've 1980 01:53:58.520 --> 01:54:02.960 been in and out once in out and back in 1981 01:54:02.960 --> 01:54:06.199 as CEO. But when I started, I told the two 1982 01:54:06.279 --> 01:54:08.199 companies that were the owner companies that I didn't know 1983 01:54:08.239 --> 01:54:11.000 at the time whether we could do this project environmentally 1984 01:54:11.079 --> 01:54:14.680 since I had been involved in another major mining project up 1985 01:54:14.720 --> 01:54:17.680 north of the Arctic Circle that was on Native of 1986 01:54:17.800 --> 01:54:21.239 Alaska indigenous lands, where we got mining company to come 1987 01:54:21.239 --> 01:54:23.880 in and develop one of the largest saint lead mines 1988 01:54:24.039 --> 01:54:26.800 in the country, which changed the whole economics of that 1989 01:54:26.880 --> 01:54:30.039 region because there were not economic opportunities. 1990 01:54:31.439 --> 01:54:33.399 And that's part of it. You know, we talked about jobs. 1991 01:54:33.439 --> 01:54:35.439 Everybody says, well, you know, we don't want the service jobs, 1992 01:54:35.439 --> 01:54:38.720 we want the manufacturing jobs. Well, the manufacturing jobs come 1993 01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:40.560 with some some. 1994 01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:42.119 Issues that you have to address. 1995 01:54:42.800 --> 01:54:43.000 You know. 1996 01:54:43.000 --> 01:54:45.199 One of the things that China does, as you said, 1997 01:54:45.199 --> 01:54:48.000 they just they just do whatever the government wishes. They 1998 01:54:48.039 --> 01:54:51.159 don't really care about any pollution issues we do. That 1999 01:54:51.760 --> 01:54:54.640 is something that we do want to do something about, 2000 01:54:54.960 --> 01:54:57.520 and yet there are solutions that can be had to 2001 01:54:57.560 --> 01:55:01.319 that is like a you know, we either have manufacturing 2002 01:55:01.319 --> 01:55:04.520 and pollution everywhere, or we don't have any manufacturing. That's 2003 01:55:04.560 --> 01:55:06.760 not the trade off. The trade off, as I've seen 2004 01:55:06.800 --> 01:55:09.079 over and over again. I don't know about your particular industry. 2005 01:55:09.239 --> 01:55:11.159 I haven't looked at it, but the trade off that 2006 01:55:11.199 --> 01:55:13.479 I've seen over and over again is a trade off 2007 01:55:13.520 --> 01:55:16.119 in terms of maybe it costs us a little bit 2008 01:55:16.199 --> 01:55:18.600 more because we've got to go through some extra steps, 2009 01:55:18.600 --> 01:55:20.159 but it can be done in a clean way. 2010 01:55:21.319 --> 01:55:25.239 Yeah. I mean, you know, if you're a true environmentalist, 2011 01:55:25.520 --> 01:55:28.600 you'd want to develop in the US because we have 2012 01:55:28.680 --> 01:55:30.399 some of the highest standards. I mean, there are other 2013 01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:33.319 countries that are about the same, but we're right at 2014 01:55:33.319 --> 01:55:38.760 the top of the environmental standards. But you know a 2015 01:55:38.840 --> 01:55:44.039 couple of things. One these things are money raising opportunities 2016 01:55:44.039 --> 01:55:49.880 for the environmentalists. You know, they can only raise money 2017 01:55:49.920 --> 01:55:53.600 by being negative. They cannot raise money by saying, oh, yeah, 2018 01:55:53.680 --> 01:55:58.039 I think this mine is environmentally okay, we're all they 2019 01:55:58.399 --> 01:56:01.600 have to be opposed to it. And the other thing 2020 01:56:01.720 --> 01:56:05.119 is they're not held to any standards of truth. Uh, 2021 01:56:05.319 --> 01:56:08.079 you know, if they're a pharmaceutical company, they'd be sued 2022 01:56:08.119 --> 01:56:11.119 all the time because they do not tell the truth. 2023 01:56:12.640 --> 01:56:15.079 And it's a problem. You know, if I were in 2024 01:56:15.119 --> 01:56:17.640 the Chinese government, I'd be sitting over there sort of 2025 01:56:17.720 --> 01:56:20.680 chuckling about, Gee, this is the way US is doing it. 2026 01:56:20.680 --> 01:56:22.319 They'll never catch up with us. 2027 01:56:22.560 --> 01:56:24.039 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 2028 01:56:24.119 --> 01:56:25.640 Well, you know, it's kind of the sort of thing 2029 01:56:25.640 --> 01:56:27.600 that we saw with the Southern Property Law Center. You know, 2030 01:56:28.079 --> 01:56:31.439 they place fast and loose with the truth, and they 2031 01:56:31.439 --> 01:56:33.840 only raise money if they come up with the problems. 2032 01:56:33.880 --> 01:56:36.159 So you know, for them, they're gonna they're gonna fund 2033 01:56:36.199 --> 01:56:38.840 the Ku Klux Klan. So they got a problems that's 2034 01:56:38.880 --> 01:56:42.760 out there. But I get your point. That's exactly what 2035 01:56:42.880 --> 01:56:46.479 is going on with it. But so tell us a 2036 01:56:46.479 --> 01:56:49.159 little bit about what it is that you do to mitigate. 2037 01:56:49.760 --> 01:56:53.399 You said that things have changed somewhat from the way 2038 01:56:53.399 --> 01:56:55.399 it used to be done. I know when they were 2039 01:56:55.399 --> 01:56:58.399 talking about the one that is the resolution one that's 2040 01:56:58.399 --> 01:57:01.199 down in Arizona, people talking about how it was going 2041 01:57:01.239 --> 01:57:04.880 to create a gigantic crater, and they were concerned about 2042 01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:08.159 that because it was in the middle of a that 2043 01:57:08.279 --> 01:57:11.680 was middle of a national park or something, as well 2044 01:57:11.760 --> 01:57:17.239 as an area that the apaches had a large attachment 2045 01:57:17.279 --> 01:57:20.640 to as well. So how has how has that changed? 2046 01:57:21.640 --> 01:57:24.600 Well, I mean that isn't she With mining, I mean 2047 01:57:24.640 --> 01:57:27.840 generally there is a you know, you're going to end 2048 01:57:27.920 --> 01:57:32.000 up with a large crater. In the case of resolution, 2049 01:57:32.199 --> 01:57:36.399 they're an underground mine, but you get subsidence when you 2050 01:57:36.479 --> 01:57:40.239 take or out from underneath it. For we will start 2051 01:57:40.359 --> 01:57:44.319 with an open pit mine. Well probably ultimately, I mean 2052 01:57:44.319 --> 01:57:48.199 we've got seventy two hundred years of resource that we 2053 01:57:48.319 --> 01:57:52.720 know about now, we would end up with also a 2054 01:57:52.800 --> 01:57:55.760 large crater which would ultimately become a lake. 2055 01:57:56.279 --> 01:57:58.199 Yeah, that's what I was going to say. That's typically 2056 01:57:58.199 --> 01:58:00.600 what happens to these It's kind of like when you 2057 01:58:00.680 --> 01:58:03.840 got a landfill. I know in Virginia Beach where we 2058 01:58:03.840 --> 01:58:07.319 have some relatives, they have this mount trash more or 2059 01:58:07.359 --> 01:58:10.520 something came up. You know, you got to do something 2060 01:58:10.520 --> 01:58:13.560 with the trash. I mean, unfortunately, it's a necessity. So 2061 01:58:14.119 --> 01:58:16.880 you know, once they get the landfill really large, they 2062 01:58:16.920 --> 01:58:19.920 basically they put grass over it and all the rest 2063 01:58:19.920 --> 01:58:22.159 of that, and they've now got a large park out 2064 01:58:22.159 --> 01:58:24.159 there with a mountain in an area where they typically 2065 01:58:24.199 --> 01:58:27.760 wouldn't have a mountain before. So you're talking about having 2066 01:58:27.760 --> 01:58:30.000 it be a large lake that would be their recreational 2067 01:58:30.079 --> 01:58:30.800 lake eventually. 2068 01:58:30.960 --> 01:58:31.239 Yeah. 2069 01:58:31.279 --> 01:58:34.319 So, and you know, our tailings and foundment facility is 2070 01:58:35.479 --> 01:58:37.920 this is a technical thing that it is probably you 2071 01:58:37.920 --> 01:58:40.920 don't need to spend the time on, but it is 2072 01:58:40.960 --> 01:58:44.520 a different kind of design that both protects it from 2073 01:58:44.600 --> 01:58:48.199 failing and also protects it from liquefying, which is one 2074 01:58:48.239 --> 01:58:51.720 of the reasons that tailings impoundment facilities fail. And I know, 2075 01:58:51.760 --> 01:58:56.239 as I said, we have a very sophisticated water treatment plan, 2076 01:58:57.039 --> 01:58:59.479 but you know, I do see that, you know, some 2077 01:58:59.600 --> 01:59:02.560 things are changing in the country for the better in 2078 01:59:02.560 --> 01:59:06.359 this regard. I don't want to be all negative. First 2079 01:59:06.399 --> 01:59:10.039 of all, there is now is a recognition that we 2080 01:59:10.079 --> 01:59:12.119 are going to need these metals, and you know, whether 2081 01:59:12.119 --> 01:59:14.680 it's for the AI. One of the things people forget 2082 01:59:14.720 --> 01:59:21.600 about is defense. I mean, you know, jets, submarines, battleships, 2083 01:59:21.960 --> 01:59:26.720 air carriers, I mean tons and tons of copper and 2084 01:59:26.760 --> 01:59:30.319 also ernium, which we have, so people forget about that. 2085 01:59:30.359 --> 01:59:33.039 But there was a sort of a positive thing last 2086 01:59:33.039 --> 01:59:40.840 week in Washington when the Senate confirmed a resolution coming 2087 01:59:40.840 --> 01:59:44.199 out of the House under something called the Congressional Review 2088 01:59:44.239 --> 01:59:47.520 Act that revoked a two hundred and twenty thousand acre 2089 01:59:49.760 --> 01:59:53.239 land set aside under the Biden administration that would have 2090 01:59:53.279 --> 01:59:57.479 prevented the Twin Metals mine in northern Minnesota. And so 2091 01:59:57.560 --> 02:00:00.399 that was voted. It's very close, fifty to forty nine. 2092 02:00:01.399 --> 02:00:04.760 But in that kind of vote it only requires a majority. 2093 02:00:04.800 --> 02:00:08.000 You don't have to get to sixty and so that'll 2094 02:00:08.000 --> 02:00:11.960 go to the President's desk. And so I think people 2095 02:00:12.000 --> 02:00:17.279 are beginning to understand this. But the opposition is huge 2096 02:00:17.479 --> 02:00:23.039 and well organized, and there are people who think that 2097 02:00:23.319 --> 02:00:27.079 the opposition has connections to China. I have never seen that, 2098 02:00:27.279 --> 02:00:30.439 although we did have one instance with us where there 2099 02:00:30.600 --> 02:00:34.159 was it looked like interference from the Chinese in cooperation 2100 02:00:34.319 --> 02:00:43.520 with the with the environmental movement. So, as I said earlier, 2101 02:00:43.560 --> 02:00:46.039 I do know they're very happy with how long it 2102 02:00:46.079 --> 02:00:46.680 takes us to. 2103 02:00:46.960 --> 02:00:51.079 Get a major Yeah, well that's the key. And you 2104 02:00:51.119 --> 02:00:54.239 know this is a long term project. That's another thing 2105 02:00:54.319 --> 02:00:58.800 that works against you. I think Americans don't think long term. 2106 02:00:58.840 --> 02:01:01.880 We want immediate gratification. If this is something that is 2107 02:01:01.880 --> 02:01:04.319 addressing a problem, that's going to be years down the 2108 02:01:04.359 --> 02:01:07.199 road or decades down the road. We can't really be 2109 02:01:07.279 --> 02:01:10.680 bothered with that. Yeah, let me think about it. 2110 02:01:11.680 --> 02:01:13.920 I mean that's been you know. I think a problem 2111 02:01:13.960 --> 02:01:17.560 also for investment in mining because it is difficult to 2112 02:01:17.560 --> 02:01:24.600 get going. As I said earlier, twenty nine years average. 2113 02:01:22.680 --> 02:01:23.159 And. 2114 02:01:26.079 --> 02:01:31.119 You know, everything gets litigated that generally adds you know, 2115 02:01:31.399 --> 02:01:35.800 three to ten years, as I said, and then constructing 2116 02:01:35.840 --> 02:01:37.720 a mine of the size of pebble is a three 2117 02:01:37.760 --> 02:01:40.640 to four year and you know, six to eight billion 2118 02:01:40.720 --> 02:01:46.079 dollar investment, you know, so you go out twenty nine years, 2119 02:01:46.439 --> 02:01:50.600 you spend as we have in resolution, have billions of 2120 02:01:50.640 --> 02:01:54.159 dollars before you even start, and then you got to construct. 2121 02:01:54.359 --> 02:01:58.279 And yeah, it's not something that happens overnight. And people 2122 02:01:58.319 --> 02:02:00.760 that are used to getting electricity by hitting a switch, 2123 02:02:01.159 --> 02:02:03.960 I think that's where it comes from. Do not understand 2124 02:02:04.880 --> 02:02:05.600 what it takes. 2125 02:02:05.920 --> 02:02:06.680 Yeah, we used to. 2126 02:02:07.039 --> 02:02:11.000 I used to work with a group that was based 2127 02:02:11.000 --> 02:02:13.359 on energy and was essentially opposing a lot of the 2128 02:02:13.479 --> 02:02:15.760 climate change stuff. And they would go around and talk 2129 02:02:15.760 --> 02:02:18.640 to people that have a public meeting or something and say, 2130 02:02:18.640 --> 02:02:20.560 you know what, what's your favorite source of energy and 2131 02:02:20.960 --> 02:02:25.399 said it never failed. Somebody said electricity. That's not the source, 2132 02:02:25.520 --> 02:02:28.520 that's the product that's produced. How do we generate though? 2133 02:02:28.600 --> 02:02:30.520 I don't know, you know, just all I know is 2134 02:02:30.520 --> 02:02:31.920 I go to the grocery store and I buy this 2135 02:02:32.039 --> 02:02:34.640 meat and plastic packages, you know, and that's what I eat, 2136 02:02:34.720 --> 02:02:37.279 that type of thing. So there is no there's a 2137 02:02:37.319 --> 02:02:40.279 real disconnect in terms of production of anything, whether you're 2138 02:02:40.279 --> 02:02:44.039 talking about food or energy or material in this country. 2139 02:02:44.600 --> 02:02:48.560 And there's nothing that is absolutely perfect, I think, you know. 2140 02:02:48.600 --> 02:02:51.319 So that's really the issue, the devil's and the details, 2141 02:02:51.800 --> 02:02:55.800 and we have a lot of absolutism. I think that 2142 02:02:56.279 --> 02:02:59.720 comes from these different groups that we've talked about, and 2143 02:03:00.479 --> 02:03:03.960 they don't want to consider any solutions. You know, they 2144 02:03:04.039 --> 02:03:06.920 run into an obstacle or they see something that is 2145 02:03:07.079 --> 02:03:08.720 on a downside, and they just want to shut it 2146 02:03:08.720 --> 02:03:12.840 down at their reflexes, to shut it down completely and preemptively. 2147 02:03:13.359 --> 02:03:15.399 And so I think that we need to take a 2148 02:03:15.399 --> 02:03:17.960 closer look at some of these things and see if. 2149 02:03:17.760 --> 02:03:19.239 There's a problem. 2150 02:03:19.319 --> 02:03:21.199 We don't want to take the approach of the Chinese 2151 02:03:21.279 --> 02:03:23.399 take where we just we don't care about anything, you know, 2152 02:03:23.479 --> 02:03:26.199 that's one of the things that they have done. They 2153 02:03:26.199 --> 02:03:29.079 don't care about pollution. They don't clean up their coal plants. 2154 02:03:29.119 --> 02:03:31.439 They build a ton of them and they just run 2155 02:03:31.479 --> 02:03:34.399 them cheap and dirty. We don't necessarily want to do that, 2156 02:03:34.439 --> 02:03:36.359 but there's a lot of money. You know, the wealth 2157 02:03:36.640 --> 02:03:39.159 of this country is really going to come from manufacturing, 2158 02:03:39.199 --> 02:03:41.560 if you will, and so there is money in that 2159 02:03:41.600 --> 02:03:45.079 they can pay to clean some of these things up 2160 02:03:45.119 --> 02:03:47.159 in a way that we can still proceed forward with it. 2161 02:03:48.000 --> 02:03:51.159 Well, and really it's cheaper to get it right in 2162 02:03:51.199 --> 02:03:54.680 the beginning, I mean, particularly in this country. So yeah, 2163 02:03:54.800 --> 02:03:56.840 you can get it wrong, but it's going to cost 2164 02:03:56.840 --> 02:03:58.880 you a lot of money to get it wrong. That's right, 2165 02:03:59.039 --> 02:04:00.680 which is a good thing. I mean, that's the way 2166 02:04:00.680 --> 02:04:01.239 it should be. 2167 02:04:01.319 --> 02:04:01.720 That's right. 2168 02:04:02.439 --> 02:04:06.039 So as it stands right now, you are at what 2169 02:04:06.159 --> 02:04:09.800 point in your stage? I mean you've had some preliminary 2170 02:04:09.840 --> 02:04:12.680 approvals I think at some stage, but then they took 2171 02:04:12.720 --> 02:04:15.880 it back and it's very political in terms of the 2172 02:04:16.319 --> 02:04:20.039 pendulum swinging back and forth. That's not true only of 2173 02:04:20.079 --> 02:04:23.000 your project. That is true of pretty much everything in 2174 02:04:23.079 --> 02:04:26.600 terms of manufacturing. So where does it stand right now? 2175 02:04:27.279 --> 02:04:31.479 Well, we're in litigation. So we sued the EPA under 2176 02:04:31.479 --> 02:04:37.680 the Biden administration when basically vetoed US. We thought that 2177 02:04:37.840 --> 02:04:41.680 Trump administration might want to withdraw the veto. They decided 2178 02:04:41.720 --> 02:04:45.560 not to, so they have supported the EPA veto, which 2179 02:04:47.800 --> 02:04:51.000 I'm not totally surprised about. It has some ramifications for 2180 02:04:51.159 --> 02:04:54.039 them in the future because the way EPA used that 2181 02:04:54.119 --> 02:04:56.720 VETO can be used against a lot of mining and 2182 02:04:56.840 --> 02:05:01.319 energy projects that the Trump administration would lie. So defending 2183 02:05:01.319 --> 02:05:02.880 the use of the VETO in a way that I 2184 02:05:02.880 --> 02:05:06.760 think way exceeds EPA's authority I think was a mistake 2185 02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:09.520 for them, But for us, I think it's a good thing. 2186 02:05:09.800 --> 02:05:11.880 I think we will win that litigation. We have the 2187 02:05:11.880 --> 02:05:14.520 State of Alaska on our side because we are on 2188 02:05:14.600 --> 02:05:18.840 state land, so you know, it's EPA taking away you know, 2189 02:05:19.399 --> 02:05:23.000 close to trillion dollar asset from the state. We have 2190 02:05:23.039 --> 02:05:29.239 two indigenous organizations also suing on our behalf. So anyway, 2191 02:05:29.279 --> 02:05:31.680 so the final briefs have been filed in that lawsuit 2192 02:05:33.760 --> 02:05:36.319 and I think we'll win, which will be a good 2193 02:05:36.359 --> 02:05:40.920 thing for us. There are still oral arguments which will 2194 02:05:40.960 --> 02:05:44.439 be held on June twenty fifth. After that the judge 2195 02:05:44.439 --> 02:05:47.800 will have everything she needs to make the decision. And 2196 02:05:47.840 --> 02:05:51.199 then if we win, you know, our hope will be 2197 02:05:51.279 --> 02:05:54.760 that the Trump administration decides not to appeal, and then 2198 02:05:54.800 --> 02:05:56.760 we can get back in front of the corp of 2199 02:05:56.760 --> 02:06:00.760 Engineers to finalize our permit process. We still have state 2200 02:06:00.800 --> 02:06:03.079 permitting to do also after that. 2201 02:06:03.840 --> 02:06:08.800 So if everything goes goes well for you, this pebble 2202 02:06:10.039 --> 02:06:13.159 area here, as you point out, could cover fifteen percent 2203 02:06:13.760 --> 02:06:16.399 of American demand just by itself of this one site. 2204 02:06:17.439 --> 02:06:19.880 What kind of a time frame would you estimate if 2205 02:06:19.920 --> 02:06:23.000 everything went really well, and what kind of a time 2206 02:06:23.000 --> 02:06:27.279 frame if it was slow, that this could happen well 2207 02:06:27.680 --> 02:06:29.319 where you still get through, but you got a lot 2208 02:06:29.359 --> 02:06:31.199 of other new things. 2209 02:06:31.760 --> 02:06:36.079 So I mean, if things went well, you know, and 2210 02:06:36.119 --> 02:06:38.520 we got our permits from the state and federal government, 2211 02:06:38.560 --> 02:06:40.520 would probably take us a year and a half or so. 2212 02:06:42.439 --> 02:06:45.600 Then there will be litigation if the courts, you know, 2213 02:06:46.079 --> 02:06:51.840 are expeditious, and it's getting a little harder for the 2214 02:06:51.960 --> 02:06:55.319 environmentalists to sue because of some of the court Supreme 2215 02:06:55.359 --> 02:06:59.760 Court decisions that have been made about the permitting process. 2216 02:07:00.159 --> 02:07:03.319 And then you know Congress is looking at permit reform, 2217 02:07:03.359 --> 02:07:06.119 which is very important for them to get that done. 2218 02:07:06.680 --> 02:07:09.119 So you know, a year and a half two years 2219 02:07:09.199 --> 02:07:13.800 or so for permitting a year or so to anywhere 2220 02:07:13.800 --> 02:07:15.560 from a year to three or four years to get 2221 02:07:15.560 --> 02:07:17.439 out of the courts, and then three or four years 2222 02:07:17.439 --> 02:07:20.880 to build. So that's aggressive. So that's close to a 2223 02:07:20.920 --> 02:07:25.279 decade on the long side of it. I mean, the 2224 02:07:25.680 --> 02:07:30.039 permitting process could be drawn out, particularly, you know, if 2225 02:07:30.039 --> 02:07:32.720 it doesn't get done in the Trump administration and the 2226 02:07:34.239 --> 02:07:39.600 Newsome administration or the AOCS, you name it, they come 2227 02:07:39.640 --> 02:07:41.159 in and you know they. 2228 02:07:41.039 --> 02:07:43.159 Would shut down all together. That's right. 2229 02:07:43.520 --> 02:07:48.119 Yeah, you go into the snail Darterer administration. Yeah, that's 2230 02:07:48.199 --> 02:07:49.720 the case. And that's the thing. You know, we look 2231 02:07:49.760 --> 02:07:55.760 at the proverbial snail darter that has we've seen the 2232 02:07:55.800 --> 02:07:59.479 pendulum swing to an absurd extreme in one direction. We 2233 02:07:59.479 --> 02:08:01.640 don't have to really want to go the absurd extreme 2234 02:08:01.840 --> 02:08:05.000 in the other direction of China. But there is a 2235 02:08:05.159 --> 02:08:08.039 reasonable area in the middle, I think where we can 2236 02:08:08.439 --> 02:08:11.079 live and we can grow. And that's really what I 2237 02:08:11.079 --> 02:08:14.359 think we're trying to achieve here. So it'd be interesting 2238 02:08:14.359 --> 02:08:16.279 to see what happens. I had the guy on from 2239 02:08:17.199 --> 02:08:21.520 Rare Earth, USA, and he was saying, even as desperate 2240 02:08:21.680 --> 02:08:24.600 as the American government is to make this happen, and 2241 02:08:24.640 --> 02:08:27.399 they're willing to you know, kick in and do what 2242 02:08:27.439 --> 02:08:31.079 they can to help the processing of rare earth minerals. 2243 02:08:31.119 --> 02:08:32.600 They say it's still going to take us more than 2244 02:08:32.680 --> 02:08:35.119 five years once we get started on this thing. And 2245 02:08:35.159 --> 02:08:38.399 so that's the key thing. We just don't plan and 2246 02:08:38.479 --> 02:08:40.640 prepare any more in this country like we used to. 2247 02:08:41.399 --> 02:08:45.520 Yeah, well, unfortunately it's only been well the mining industry 2248 02:08:45.840 --> 02:08:49.039 for you know, probably a decade and a half or more. 2249 02:08:49.039 --> 02:08:52.319 I've been telling people this is coming, and people were 2250 02:08:52.359 --> 02:08:56.079 mostly not listening. Now at least people are listening. And 2251 02:08:56.199 --> 02:08:58.560 I always like to say that you can't solve a 2252 02:08:58.600 --> 02:09:03.920 problem that you've not identified. We've identified the problem. Now 2253 02:09:03.960 --> 02:09:06.239 solving it is not going to be easy, and it 2254 02:09:06.319 --> 02:09:07.800 is not going to be quick, and it is not 2255 02:09:07.880 --> 02:09:08.520 going to be cheap. 2256 02:09:10.079 --> 02:09:13.000 Yeah, that's the key thing. Well, very interesting to talk 2257 02:09:13.039 --> 02:09:17.000 to you about this again. John Shively as former Alaska 2258 02:09:17.000 --> 02:09:21.000 Commissioner of Natural Resources. He is the CEO of Pebble 2259 02:09:21.600 --> 02:09:26.840 and they have their setting on a massive supply of copper. 2260 02:09:26.920 --> 02:09:29.600 The question is will we be allowed to get that 2261 02:09:29.640 --> 02:09:31.520 out of the ground and process it is in a 2262 02:09:31.560 --> 02:09:33.760 way that they say they've got a way to do 2263 02:09:33.800 --> 02:09:37.000 it very cleanly and so, and they got some studies 2264 02:09:37.000 --> 02:09:39.039 to back that up. You spent I think you said here, 2265 02:09:39.079 --> 02:09:42.560 one hundred and fifty million dollars on environmental studies, and. 2266 02:09:42.760 --> 02:09:46.680 Just environmental studies, we spent over a billion dollars total, 2267 02:09:46.720 --> 02:09:47.760 like on engineering. 2268 02:09:49.840 --> 02:09:53.840 Wow, it's pretty amazing. So well, we'll see what happens 2269 02:09:53.880 --> 02:09:56.600 with it and appreciate you trying to get in the 2270 02:09:56.600 --> 02:10:00.000 fight and actually produce something that is getting increasingly rare. 2271 02:10:00.159 --> 02:10:03.840 That is the rarest of the rare earth or rare minerals. 2272 02:10:04.039 --> 02:10:06.920 Is anybody trying to produce anything. Most of the time, 2273 02:10:06.960 --> 02:10:10.600 it's just people saying stop and I just want to 2274 02:10:10.880 --> 02:10:13.039 keep my lifestyle. But I don't want to have to 2275 02:10:13.039 --> 02:10:15.239 think about how I got that lifestyle. And I think 2276 02:10:15.279 --> 02:10:18.279 that is the key issue. We need to understand the 2277 02:10:18.319 --> 02:10:22.000 trade offs and understand that there are going to be 2278 02:10:22.039 --> 02:10:25.119 problems with anything that we do. That's real, but those 2279 02:10:25.159 --> 02:10:27.560 problems can be addressed and can be solved. Thank you 2280 02:10:27.560 --> 02:10:29.720 so much for joining us, sir, appreciate it. 2281 02:10:29.800 --> 02:10:30.079 Thank you. 2282 02:10:30.199 --> 02:10:31.479 I appreciate you having me on. 2283 02:10:31.680 --> 02:10:48.760 Thank you, Thank you. The common Man. They created common Core, 2284 02:10:49.119 --> 02:10:52.520 dumbed down our children. They created common Past, Track and 2285 02:10:52.560 --> 02:10:56.520 Control us their Commons project to make sure the commoners 2286 02:10:56.680 --> 02:11:02.439 own nothing and the communist future. They see the common 2287 02:11:02.479 --> 02:11:07.359 man as simple, unsophisticated ordinary. But each of us has 2288 02:11:07.479 --> 02:11:13.119 worth and dignity created in the image of God. That 2289 02:11:13.279 --> 02:11:15.680 is what we have in common. That is what they 2290 02:11:15.720 --> 02:11:21.680 want to take away. Their most powerful weapons are isolation, deception, intimidation. 2291 02:11:22.520 --> 02:11:25.640 They desire to know everything about us, while they hide 2292 02:11:25.680 --> 02:11:27.039 everything from us. 2293 02:11:28.039 --> 02:11:29.880 It's time to turn that around. 2294 02:11:29.760 --> 02:11:33.640 And expose what they want to hide. Please share the 2295 02:11:33.680 --> 02:11:37.640 information and links you'll find at the Davidknightshow dot com. 2296 02:11:37.680 --> 02:11:45.840 Thank you for listening, Thank you for sharing. 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