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<v Speaker 7>Good Evening. Laura Smither twelve was taken from the road

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<v Speaker 7>in front of her home in the small suburban Texas

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<v Speaker 7>town of Friendswood. Sandra Sapal barely escaped with her life

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<v Speaker 7>when she was abducted from a waffle house parking lot

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<v Speaker 7>in the tiny Texas coastal town of Webster. Kelly Cox

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<v Speaker 7>vanished from the police department parking lot in the Texas

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<v Speaker 7>college town of Denton. Anjeanette Sorrentino fled into woods in

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<v Speaker 7>Harris County trying to escape a man with murderous intentions.

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<v Speaker 7>He caught her. Tiffany Johnston was raped and murdered in

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<v Speaker 7>the Oklahoma City suburb of Bethany. She was washing her

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<v Speaker 7>car when she disappeared. Jessica Kane was on her way

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<v Speaker 7>home from dinner with friends to the village of Tikey Island, Texas,

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<v Speaker 7>population seven hundred and seventy eight. Within five months in

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<v Speaker 7>nineteen ninety seven, all six, most likely more some say

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<v Speaker 7>many more suffered the same fate. They met a monster

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<v Speaker 7>wearing the face of a man. The book we're featuring

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<v Speaker 7>this evening is What Evil Lurks, The Good Samaritan Killer,

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<v Speaker 7>with my special guest journalist and author, Donna Fielder. Welcome

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<v Speaker 7>to the program, and thank you so much for this

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<v Speaker 7>inner Donna Fielder.

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<v Speaker 3>Hi, Dan, it's nice to talk to you today.

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<v Speaker 7>Nice to talk to you. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 7>this interview. This is among extraordinary stories. This is even topsac.

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<v Speaker 7>This is one incredible, credible story. End book. Let's get

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<v Speaker 7>right to that, because we have so much to cover

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<v Speaker 7>in this extraordinary tale. You have so much information, you

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<v Speaker 7>had access to everything. So we get to hear from

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<v Speaker 7>everyone's survivors, victims, and then later on from the killer himself.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's get to April twentieth, a pardon me, April third,

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<v Speaker 7>nineteen ninety seven, and Laura smither As we introduced in

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<v Speaker 7>the introduction, a twelve year old in Friendwood, Friendswood Texas,

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<v Speaker 7>a suburb of Houston. Tell us about Laura's Smither and

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<v Speaker 7>what happened that day.

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<v Speaker 3>Laura Smither was twelve years old. She was going to

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<v Speaker 3>be thirteen in about about a week, but she did

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<v Speaker 3>not make it that far. Laura had her life already

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<v Speaker 3>planned out. She and her parents and her younger brother

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<v Speaker 3>lived outside of Houston in a little bitty suburb. They

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<v Speaker 3>lived down a country road. Their parents were very concerned

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<v Speaker 3>about Houston, Houston which has it had a reputation for

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<v Speaker 3>being a rough place, but that's where her father worked,

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<v Speaker 3>so they moved them out into the country and they

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<v Speaker 3>homeschooled them to keep them safe. That did not work

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<v Speaker 3>out very well. La Laura had her entire life planned out.

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<v Speaker 3>She was going to be a ballet dancer. She was

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<v Speaker 3>already a member of the Houston Ballet. She practiced, she

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<v Speaker 3>took lessons, and she knew that ballet dancers had to

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<v Speaker 3>have very song legs, So even at twelve years old,

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<v Speaker 3>she was working toward that future. And that morning of

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<v Speaker 3>April third, it was it's kind of drizzling rain, but

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<v Speaker 3>Laura wanted to go for a run because she did

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<v Speaker 3>every morning, and her mother said, you know, I'm cooking breakfast.

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<v Speaker 3>Why don't you wait? And she said, no, I need

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<v Speaker 3>to go now, but I promise I'll be back in

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<v Speaker 3>twenty minutes. Laura didn't come back in twenty minutes, she

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<v Speaker 3>didn't come back in two hours, she didn't come back

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<v Speaker 3>in two days. Laura never returned home. She met a

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<v Speaker 3>man somewhere on that short run on the road that

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<v Speaker 3>ran in front of her house. She somehow met a man,

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<v Speaker 3>was kidnapped, raped and murdered, and her body was dumped

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<v Speaker 3>in a retention pond in Pasadena, which is another suburb

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<v Speaker 3>of Houston. About It only took a number of hours

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<v Speaker 3>for her parents to realize there's something terribly wrong. Laura,

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<v Speaker 3>even at twelve, was a very responsible young woman. She

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<v Speaker 3>did what she was told to do, She did what

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<v Speaker 3>she said she would do, and this time she said

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<v Speaker 3>she'd be home in twenty minutes. Since she wasn't, they

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<v Speaker 3>called the police, and the police immediately believed that something

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<v Speaker 3>bad had happened to Laura. They begin looking looking for her.

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<v Speaker 3>The community began looking for her. A tremendous turnout of

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<v Speaker 3>people yes left their jobs, left whatever they had planned

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<v Speaker 3>to do, and began looking for Laura. It took seventeen

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<v Speaker 3>days to find her, and when they found her, her

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<v Speaker 3>body was in a retention pond in Pasadena. It had

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<v Speaker 3>been dumped there, and she was wearing only a pair

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<v Speaker 3>of socks. The medical examiner did an autopsy and said

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<v Speaker 3>that her cavs showed they had been bound to the

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<v Speaker 3>back of her legs. So she had been tied up

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<v Speaker 3>in a horribly hurtful way, and she was riped and strangled.

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<v Speaker 3>They did not know who did this to Laura. They

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<v Speaker 3>had their suspicions, but they had no proof. And so

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<v Speaker 3>for a very long time, a monstro got away with murder.

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<v Speaker 7>You say a long time. But May sixteenth, three weeks

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<v Speaker 7>after Laura's body is found, and her body is found,

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<v Speaker 7>like you say, in seventeen days, So in short order,

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<v Speaker 7>twenty one days after Laura's body's found, there's a woman

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<v Speaker 7>named Sandra Sapal and she's living with the father of

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<v Speaker 7>her two kids. It's not a good situation whatsoever. She

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<v Speaker 7>meets another person, nas James Sapal, and they get married

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<v Speaker 7>and she's in another bad situation. Tell us about Sandra Sapaw, Well,

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<v Speaker 7>what happens one day? What are the circumstances in which

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<v Speaker 7>she sees a man in a white pickup truck.

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<v Speaker 3>Sandral was trying to survive. Basically, she had dropped her

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<v Speaker 3>She had two children, she had dropped them off with

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<v Speaker 3>her parents, and she was basically living from motel room

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<v Speaker 3>to motel room, trying to just trying to find a

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<v Speaker 3>way to make her life ride again. She had she

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<v Speaker 3>had found a man who was willing to help her

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<v Speaker 3>move her things out of the apartment she shared with

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<v Speaker 3>her husband. She drove to a she she was living

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<v Speaker 3>in a motel room. She she drove to a convenience

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<v Speaker 3>store and she made a telephone call to this man

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<v Speaker 3>to tell him she was ready, she needed the help,

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<v Speaker 3>and he said he would come. She went to a

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<v Speaker 3>waffle house and had dinner, and when she came out,

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<v Speaker 3>she just going that she had a flat tire. So

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<v Speaker 3>she was trying to figure out what to do when

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<v Speaker 3>a man in a white pickup truck drove in behind her.

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<v Speaker 3>She basically blocked her way out of there, and he said,

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<v Speaker 3>looks like you've got a problem. She said yes, and

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<v Speaker 3>he said, I'll be glad to help you with that.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll help you.

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<v Speaker 3>Change your tire, and she said, okay. The man went

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<v Speaker 3>around to the front of the vehicle and she said,

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<v Speaker 3>look in my truck. I need a rag. There's a

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<v Speaker 3>white rag on the There's a white rag on the

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<v Speaker 3>seat of my truck. Well, she leaned in and she

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<v Speaker 3>couldn't find any white rag. And she said, there's no

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<v Speaker 3>white rag here, and he said, oh, yeah, maybe it's

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<v Speaker 6>On the floor.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, she began to get worried. This didn't seem like

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of thing that white rag wasn't something you

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<v Speaker 3>needed to change a tire, right, So she turned around

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<v Speaker 3>and stood up and the man was standing right in

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<v Speaker 3>front of her, invading her personal space. And he had

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<v Speaker 3>a knife, and she said, get in the truck, bitch. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>she didn't really have any choice, and he forced her

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<v Speaker 3>into the truck and he took off down. This happened

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<v Speaker 3>in Webster, Texas. He took off down Highway I forty

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<v Speaker 3>five with her in the truck, and she knew that

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<v Speaker 3>So she figured out a way to out with this

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<v Speaker 3>man and he told her take off all your clothes.

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<v Speaker 3>So she looked at the at the buttons on the

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<v Speaker 3>truck and decided that her door was not locked. So

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<v Speaker 3>she told him, well, I need to take my shoes

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<v Speaker 3>off before I can take my pants off, and he said, okay.

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<v Speaker 7>Do it.

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<v Speaker 3>When she bent over, she grabbed the handle of the truck.

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<v Speaker 3>She pulled on the door, and going at highway speeds

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<v Speaker 3>on an interstate highway, she jumped out of that truck.

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<v Speaker 3>When he realized what had happened, he was already a

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<v Speaker 3>little way ahead of her, and he pulled over. She

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<v Speaker 3>ran out onto the highway, waving her arms, hoping she

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't going to get run over, and a woman stopped

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<v Speaker 3>and helped her and took her back. She just wanted

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<v Speaker 3>nine one one and paramedics came, and police came. They

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<v Speaker 3>took her to the high spittle. The man in the

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<v Speaker 3>white pickup truck drove very quickly away and so they

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<v Speaker 3>did not know who he was. But she saved her

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<v Speaker 3>own life that day.

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<v Speaker 7>You say that she gave a description to police. Finally

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<v Speaker 7>that was she.

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<v Speaker 3>She She had been pretty badly injured and was was

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<v Speaker 3>on pain medication. There was a woman who was the

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<v Speaker 3>police chief of Tiki Alan, which is a tiny little

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<v Speaker 3>island just off the tip of Texas, right, And this

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<v Speaker 3>police chief was a She had learned hypnosis, So the

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<v Speaker 3>Webster police asked her, would she hypnotized Sandra and see

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<v Speaker 3>if she could remember, because she really couldn't remember very

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<v Speaker 3>much at all. This woman's name, I'm sorry, I've lost her.

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<v Speaker 6>Name, Sue Ditrich.

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<v Speaker 3>That this police chief in time did hypnotize Sandra. She

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<v Speaker 3>remembered an amazing amount of detail. Under hypnosis. She could

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<v Speaker 3>describe the man, she described the truck. She actually could

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<v Speaker 3>read numbers that she had seen just briefly, and did

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<v Speaker 3>moments of terror. She could remember part of a police

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<v Speaker 3>part of a telephone number that she saw on a

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<v Speaker 3>post it note on the on the truck.

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<v Speaker 6>Incredible that man's description.

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<v Speaker 3>Matched that of a man that police were already looking

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<v Speaker 3>at in the death of Lord Smither.

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<v Speaker 7>But let's laun more that. Yeah, before we get to that,

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<v Speaker 7>we're in at that you talk about. They turned this

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<v Speaker 7>criminal case over to the Criminal Investigation Division of the

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<v Speaker 7>Webster Police Department, but short orders. In July fifteenth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 7>ninety seven, Lawrence Harris, a man is in Denton, Texas.

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<v Speaker 7>He's at the police department parking lot and he's waiting

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<v Speaker 7>for his girlfriend. Tell us about this again, another incredible

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<v Speaker 7>chapter of this extraordinary story.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it was July fifteenth, nineteen ninety seven. Kelly Cox

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<v Speaker 3>was a student at the University of North Texas in Denton.

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<v Speaker 3>She was at the police department with a class with

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<v Speaker 3>a criminal justice class that were touring the jail. The

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<v Speaker 3>be allowed to bring anything into the jail, which was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of a misunderstanding. They weren't going inside jail sales.

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<v Speaker 3>They were going inside the jail itself, and they were

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<v Speaker 3>be secured. They had a place that they secured things

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<v Speaker 3>like pursues, things like that. So Kelly was told that

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<v Speaker 3>she needed to leave everything in her car and come

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<v Speaker 3>and empty handed, which she did. She left a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit early because she had a test to take in

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<v Speaker 3>another class, So just about noon she left the Denton

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<v Speaker 3>Police Department. She went to her car. She had she

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<v Speaker 3>had hidden a key to the car in one of

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<v Speaker 3>those magnetic boxes that you hide somewhere like under a

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<v Speaker 3>under a fender or something like that. She got it

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<v Speaker 3>out and it would not work. She could not make

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<v Speaker 3>the key open her car door, so she's locked out

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<v Speaker 3>of her car because her regular car keys are locked

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<v Speaker 3>insider locked inside her car, she first went to the

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<v Speaker 3>Denton Police Department, is then a large building that takes

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<v Speaker 3>up an entire city block. It has other city offices there.

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<v Speaker 3>At that time, it also housed a community college. She

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<v Speaker 3>first went to an office in the community college and

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<v Speaker 3>asked the woman if she could the phone. She had

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<v Speaker 3>another set of keys at her home and her boyfriend

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<v Speaker 3>lived just a few houses down the street from where

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<v Speaker 3>she lived in Carrollton. The woman said, if this is

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<v Speaker 3>a local call, you may use the phone. If it isn't,

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<v Speaker 3>we're not allowed to let people make long distance calls

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<v Speaker 3>on this. So Kelly didn't know what to do, and

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<v Speaker 3>the woman said, well, there's a payphone right down on

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<v Speaker 3>the corner down there. You can go down there and

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<v Speaker 3>use that payphone. So she had a pocket full of

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<v Speaker 3>change and she went to the payphone and called her boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 3>He wasn't very happy about the whole situation. He complained

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<v Speaker 3>to her that he had to make the drive from

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<v Speaker 3>Carleton to Denton, which was twenty five miles. Maybe they

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have a very happy conversation, but he did agree

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<v Speaker 3>to come. When he got there, he couldn't sign Kelly.

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<v Speaker 3>He called Kelly's mother and told her the situation, and

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<v Speaker 3>Kelly's mother immediately knew Kelly had an eighteen month old daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>She adored that daughter right That daughter meant the world

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<v Speaker 3>to her. That daughter was with the babysitter, and Kelly

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<v Speaker 3>did not pick her up that day. Kelly's mother knew

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<v Speaker 3>that would never have happened if Kelly had the power

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<v Speaker 3>to reach her daughter. They called it in police department.

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<v Speaker 3>They explained the situation. Police Chief Jezz immediately knew that

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<v Speaker 3>this wasn't your normal teenage girl doesn't come home story.

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<v Speaker 3>He called in every available officer he had and said,

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<v Speaker 3>this is the real deal. This is a who done it.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to find Kelly Cox, and we're not going

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<v Speaker 3>to do anything else that we don't have to do

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<v Speaker 3>until we find her. The officers worked all the rest

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<v Speaker 3>of that day, They worked all night, they worked all

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<v Speaker 3>day the next day. They continued to work until they

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<v Speaker 3>had run down every single lead, and there weren't very

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<v Speaker 3>many of them. This was a young woman who simply vanished.

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<v Speaker 3>They could not find one clue, not one as to

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<v Speaker 3>what had happened to Kelly Cox, and it remained that

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<v Speaker 3>way for nineteen years.

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<v Speaker 7>Let's use as an opportunity to stop for a second

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<v Speaker 7>Now you talked about Kelly Cox, but there wasn't a

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<v Speaker 7>detective named Benny Parky, and he was assigned the lead detective,

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<v Speaker 7>and he did go to that convenience store and did

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<v Speaker 7>talk to that person, so we did get that information.

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<v Speaker 7>But he was involved at that time.

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<v Speaker 3>You talk about yes twenty a detective in the case

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<v Speaker 3>that every single police officer for the City of Denton

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<v Speaker 3>Police actually worked on that case off and own for years.

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<v Speaker 3>Benny was the leading vesta. He was devoted to finding Keilly.

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<v Speaker 3>But he told me later there just aren't any clues

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<v Speaker 3>to follow. In order to solve a crime, you have

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<v Speaker 3>to follow the clues, and there aren't any. She simply vanished.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no blood, there's no sign of struggle, there are

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<v Speaker 3>no witnesses. We've done everything we can, and we will

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<v Speaker 3>continue to do everything we can, but we can't find

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<v Speaker 3>Kelly without some kind of clue somewhere, and one did

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<v Speaker 3>not appear.

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<v Speaker 7>Right now. Five days later, July twentieth, nineteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 7>Anjeanette Sorrentino, twenty three year old. Her and her boyfriend

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<v Speaker 7>are breaking up, and this is near Tiki Island as well. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 7>tell us about why she ends up at a convenience

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<v Speaker 7>store looking for cigarettes and again notices a man at

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<v Speaker 3>Booth Anginette was very upset. That night she and her

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<v Speaker 3>boyfriend were breaking up. She had gone to a bar.

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<v Speaker 3>He had followed her there and continued in argument with her.

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<v Speaker 3>She left that bar. She was going to go to

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<v Speaker 3>another one, but she stopped to buy cigarettes at a

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<v Speaker 3>convenience store, and when she walked in, she saw a

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<v Speaker 3>man on the pay telephone outside. She looked at him

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<v Speaker 3>and he just looked strange. He had the phone to

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<v Speaker 3>his ear. He pretended to be talking, but she didn't

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<v Speaker 3>think he was really talking to anybody. So she went

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<v Speaker 3>in and used the bathroom and bought her cigarettes. And

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<v Speaker 3>she looked back outside and he's still out there, and

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<v Speaker 3>he's still making talking noises. And she was really afraid,

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<v Speaker 3>but she didn't have any choice. She went out to

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<v Speaker 3>get in her truck. She took off in the truck

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<v Speaker 3>and quickly realized that she was She had a flat tire,

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<v Speaker 3>so she pulled over. And the place she pulled over

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<v Speaker 3>in was it was dark. There were no streetlights. It

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<v Speaker 3>was in a wooded area with no houses. She got

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<v Speaker 3>out of a truck and the man came up and said,

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<v Speaker 3>you look like you're in trouble. I'll be glad to

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<v Speaker 3>help you. She just did not trust this man at all.

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<v Speaker 3>It was the same man in the white pickup truck

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<v Speaker 3>that she had seen in the parking lot. Of the

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<v Speaker 3>convenience store. She turned and ran, and she ran into

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<v Speaker 3>the woods, thinking that she would find houses on the

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<v Speaker 3>other side of the woods and she could get help.

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<v Speaker 3>But she didn't get that far. This man caught her,

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<v Speaker 3>beat her, strangled her unconscious, and actually threw her in

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<v Speaker 3>the back seat of his car unconscious. She woke up.

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<v Speaker 3>She told Houston police that she saw him murder a

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<v Speaker 3>young man who seemed to be part of the whole story,

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<v Speaker 3>and his name is Joey. Houston police did not believe Enginette.

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<v Speaker 3>They thought that her boyfriend had beat her up. But

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<v Speaker 3>when they checked, he had. He had an alibi and

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<v Speaker 3>it was a good one and it stood. But they

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<v Speaker 3>still didn't believe her story. It's not clear exactly why,

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<v Speaker 3>but they just would not. They would not help Enginette.

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<v Speaker 3>So she and her mother took her story the same

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<v Speaker 3>Kiki Allen police chief because she had a reputation of

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<v Speaker 3>helping young women. That woman's name was Sue dietrich Nance

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<v Speaker 3>and she was still police chief, and Kiki Allen. She

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<v Speaker 3>gathered information, She interviewed Engeanette. She put together a file

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<v Speaker 3>and she took it to the Houston police and was

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<v Speaker 3>told this is not your jurisdiction. We don't believe this woman.

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<v Speaker 3>We think something else happened to her and she's covering

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<v Speaker 3>it up. So you just go on to bag your

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<v Speaker 3>business because this is our case. Well, Sue, she was

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<v Speaker 3>helpless in this case. It wasn't her case. She did

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<v Speaker 3>everything she could. She kept the foul, She followed every

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<v Speaker 3>clue that she could come up with. She independently worked

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<v Speaker 3>that case, and she came to the conclusion that the

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<v Speaker 3>man who attacked a Jeanette was the same man who

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<v Speaker 3>had killed Lors Smither and she was never able to

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<v Speaker 3>the case wasn't her jurisdiction. The Houston police did not

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<v Speaker 3>listen to her. She could not like the case against

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<v Speaker 3>this man, whose name was William Reeves. He was never

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<v Speaker 3>charged in a kidnapping of Engine Anne. The police told

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<v Speaker 3>her that they never found any indication that a man

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<v Speaker 3>named Joey had been murdered. Right, They just didn't believe

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<v Speaker 3>any of this and they never did anything about it. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>So if William Reese was the man who kidnapped her

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<v Speaker 3>that night, he was never charged with it. He was

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<v Speaker 3>never found guilty of anything that had to do with

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<v Speaker 3>Engine Anne. But she believes and Sue Nance believes that

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<v Speaker 3>he was the man who kidnapped her that night.

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<v Speaker 7>Certainly, certainly, now you write July twenty sixth, nineteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 7>just a few days later, in the car wash, there's

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<v Speaker 7>six stalls, and this is in Bethany, Oklahoma, and a

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<v Speaker 7>couple of police officers, Detective Daniel Mobley and patrol Officer J. D. Reid.

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<v Speaker 7>It's about near midnight. They spot a white sedan in

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<v Speaker 7>the stall at the car wash. Tell us what happens

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<v Speaker 7>after that.

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<v Speaker 3>Tiffany was a newly win She had plans for her life.

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<v Speaker 3>She wanted to be a nurse. She had just gotten married.

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<v Speaker 3>She and her husband lived in Bethany, which is a

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<v Speaker 3>it's kind of a satellite to the moship of mothership

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<v Speaker 3>of Oklahoma City. She got off work that evening. She

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<v Speaker 3>worked as a waitress. She actually had two waitress jobs.

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<v Speaker 3>She was trying to save money to go to college,

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<v Speaker 3>to go to nursing school in the farm. She and

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<v Speaker 3>her husband were going to go out that night. She

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<v Speaker 3>decided to wash her car, so she went to a

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<v Speaker 3>car wash and began washing her car, and something happened

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<v Speaker 3>that point. No one knew exactly what happened. But something

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<v Speaker 3>happened at the Sunshine car wash that night, and when

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<v Speaker 3>those two police offer two police officers show by on

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<v Speaker 3>routine patrol, they noticed this car sitting there. The doors

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<v Speaker 3>were open, there was no one around it. They didn't

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<v Speaker 3>know at that point that something or anything had happened

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<v Speaker 3>to Tiffany Johnston. About an hour later, they made that

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<v Speaker 3>same trip by that car wash and the car was

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<v Speaker 3>still sitting there, so they investigated. They found the queues

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<v Speaker 3>were still in the car. They found a purse in

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<v Speaker 3>the car, They found a cell phone in the car,

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<v Speaker 3>but they did not find Tiffany Johnson. They called her

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<v Speaker 3>husband and he said, I've been waiting for her to

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<v Speaker 3>come home. We were supposed to go out, but she

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<v Speaker 3>never showed up. And I've called her mother. She doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>know anything about her.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:37.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what to do now. That immediately set

424
00:31:37.759 --> 00:31:42.359
<v Speaker 3>off a search for Tiffany, and her body was found

425
00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:46.440
<v Speaker 3>outside of town along at her road the next day.

426
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.200
<v Speaker 3>She had been raped and she had been strangled.

427
00:31:54.720 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 7>What's interesting is right away, as a result of the

428
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:03.400
<v Speaker 7>NewsCap asked as a result of the police report, a

429
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:05.960
<v Speaker 7>man named George Brown, who was the owner of the

430
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:10.880
<v Speaker 7>car wash in Bethany saw the TV broadcast and saw

431
00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 7>his car wash on the news, so he called contacted

432
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.960
<v Speaker 7>police to tell him what he saw. What did he

433
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.359
<v Speaker 7>tell police about who he saw?

434
00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.480
<v Speaker 3>He told police that there was a man who hung

435
00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:31.640
<v Speaker 3>around the car wash. His his name was William Reese

436
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.640
<v Speaker 3>and that the description of the pickup truck that was

437
00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:41.519
<v Speaker 3>seen there fit the description of the truck that William

438
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:49.400
<v Speaker 3>Rees strove. There was no evidence whatsoever that connected William

439
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 3>Reeves to Tiffany Johnston on the fact that she disappeared

440
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:57.400
<v Speaker 3>from that car wash. So at that point, Oklahoma City

441
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.799
<v Speaker 3>police believed they had a suspect, but they had no

442
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:09.799
<v Speaker 3>evidence whatsoever. There was semen found on Tiffany's body, but

443
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:15.839
<v Speaker 3>they didn't have anybody to compare it to. So the DNA,

444
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.680
<v Speaker 3>which could have been really strong evidence, it couldn't be

445
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:22.680
<v Speaker 3>explored because there was no one to compare it to.

446
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.359
<v Speaker 3>That case went cold, as well as these other cases.

447
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:37.200
<v Speaker 7>He was questioned by state uh State police. Did they

448
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.279
<v Speaker 7>get anything from that other than establishing He said he

449
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 7>had an alibi, but you said it was no physical evidence.

450
00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:48.880
<v Speaker 7>But what did he, if anything, say to those police

451
00:33:48.920 --> 00:33:49.400
<v Speaker 7>at that time?

452
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.400
<v Speaker 3>At that time, he claimed he had been in Texas

453
00:33:58.240 --> 00:34:05.359
<v Speaker 3>on the day Iffany disappeared, and the police couldn't prove

454
00:34:05.440 --> 00:34:07.920
<v Speaker 3>that he had not been in Texas. This is back

455
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen ninety seven. A lot of things that police

456
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.920
<v Speaker 3>have available to them now to help themselves cases was

457
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:17.360
<v Speaker 3>not available at that time.

458
00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:23.880
<v Speaker 7>Sir, you talk now, you've read about in August.

459
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:32.079
<v Speaker 6>Sorry, go ahead, I'm sorry, Go ahead.

460
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 3>William Rees had been arrested in the case of Alexandra

461
00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:54.119
<v Speaker 3>Sapau and he was in jail. I see, so he was,

462
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:58.880
<v Speaker 3>he was off the streets. There's no telling how many

463
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:02.079
<v Speaker 3>young women's lie were saved because he was in jail

464
00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:07.440
<v Speaker 3>and he couldn't he couldn't pull his stunts, he couldn't

465
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:08.480
<v Speaker 3>kidnap them.

466
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:17.360
<v Speaker 7>Before that, you write about August seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven.

467
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.639
<v Speaker 7>Then Jessica Kan who was seventeen years old, ready to

468
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:25.480
<v Speaker 7>leave for san for Houston State University in Huntsville to

469
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:31.400
<v Speaker 7>study drama. And so she's women with their parents in

470
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:37.239
<v Speaker 7>Tiki Island again, Tiki Island comes up. Tell us what

471
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:40.639
<v Speaker 7>happens August seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven.

472
00:35:41.239 --> 00:35:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Jessica Kane, Jessica King had her laugh all planned out.

473
00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:48.239
<v Speaker 3>She was going to be an actress. She was a

474
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:52.519
<v Speaker 3>beautiful young woman. All of these young women were beautiful,

475
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:58.280
<v Speaker 3>They had long, dark hair, They were all smart. They

476
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:01.199
<v Speaker 3>all had plans for theirs, and they were all working

477
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:04.840
<v Speaker 3>those plans. Jessica was already packed.

478
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:07.320
<v Speaker 7>To move.

479
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:15.159
<v Speaker 3>Into her apartment to go to college. She was going

480
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:22.440
<v Speaker 3>to major in drama. That night, she had appeared in

481
00:36:22.519 --> 00:36:28.719
<v Speaker 3>a play and all the people who were in the

482
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:36.760
<v Speaker 3>play had gone to dinner together. She had a curfew,

483
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 3>but her parents told her that she could stay out

484
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:42.760
<v Speaker 3>until midnight that night to be with her friends, to

485
00:36:42.840 --> 00:36:45.639
<v Speaker 3>have dinner with her friends, and then she was going

486
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:50.400
<v Speaker 3>to drive home to Tea Yaan. She didn't come home

487
00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:54.800
<v Speaker 3>that night. Her dad knew something bad had happened, because.

488
00:36:55.239 --> 00:36:56.199
<v Speaker 6>That was not Jessica.

489
00:36:56.320 --> 00:37:02.599
<v Speaker 3>She was a very She was a very steadfast young woman.

490
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:06.440
<v Speaker 3>She could be depended upon. She was supposed to be home.

491
00:37:06.840 --> 00:37:09.840
<v Speaker 3>She didn't come home. When her dad looked for her,

492
00:37:10.159 --> 00:37:15.199
<v Speaker 3>he found her the pickup truck not far from the

493
00:37:15.280 --> 00:37:19.840
<v Speaker 3>Tiki Islands cut off. She had made it nearly home.

494
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 3>Her purse, her keys, and her cell phone were locked

495
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:30.719
<v Speaker 3>inside that truck. She was not to be found. She

496
00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:33.079
<v Speaker 3>had vanished, just like these other young women.

497
00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:41.119
<v Speaker 7>You write that there was a witness emerged though, and

498
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:47.079
<v Speaker 7>told the Lsmark police again another little town, that he

499
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:51.400
<v Speaker 7>had seen a truck park behind Jessica's truck. What was

500
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:52.559
<v Speaker 7>the description of that truck.

501
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:58.440
<v Speaker 3>It was a white pickup truck and it had a

502
00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:04.679
<v Speaker 3>sort of lot bar across the top. This person said

503
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:08.039
<v Speaker 3>that when he passed by, that truck was parked behind

504
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:11.440
<v Speaker 3>Jessica's truck, and he believed that it was some sort

505
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:15.480
<v Speaker 3>of either a law enforcement officer or maybe a tow truck.

506
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:20.119
<v Speaker 3>Maybe she had had car trouble. He thought nothing of

507
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 3>it until he read in the paper that she had disappeared.

508
00:38:25.800 --> 00:38:30.480
<v Speaker 3>But that truck matched the description of the truck that

509
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:36.639
<v Speaker 3>people had described when they had seen William Reese. So

510
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:44.119
<v Speaker 3>again we have a suspect, but we have zero clues,

511
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:50.480
<v Speaker 3>no clues, no information, nothing. So in all four of

512
00:38:50.559 --> 00:38:57.079
<v Speaker 3>these cases, William Reese was a suspect, but he was

513
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:02.920
<v Speaker 3>not charged with any of these because there was no

514
00:39:03.039 --> 00:39:12.159
<v Speaker 3>physical evidence whatsoever. Nobody had actually seen him. These young

515
00:39:12.239 --> 00:39:14.360
<v Speaker 3>women just and were not heard from again.

516
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:21.039
<v Speaker 7>Right, you say that the detective Pam Mitchell was the

517
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.800
<v Speaker 7>lead investigator on the case, in les Mark, but fortunately

518
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:31.280
<v Speaker 7>she was friends with Sue Dietrich Nance. Again, no jurisdiction

519
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:33.480
<v Speaker 7>in the case. She's been told to beat it before,

520
00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:38.960
<v Speaker 7>but she teams up with Detective Pam Mitchell. Anyway, let's

521
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.320
<v Speaker 7>use this as an opportunity Donna to stop for a

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546
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<v Speaker 7>dollars value. Now, Donna, we were talking about this Sue

547
00:41:27.119 --> 00:41:31.079
<v Speaker 7>dietrich Nance who gets so thoroughly involved with this that

548
00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 7>you can't let this go. And they know that they

549
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:42.159
<v Speaker 7>have this person that is the main suspect is William Reese.

550
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:46.000
<v Speaker 7>He fits the bill. He's attacked other people, but he's

551
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:52.239
<v Speaker 7>in prison for the attack of Sandrasapow I believe, And

552
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:56.840
<v Speaker 7>so now we have different people over the years, after

553
00:41:56.920 --> 00:42:00.960
<v Speaker 7>this cold case is run for many, many years, what

554
00:42:01.199 --> 00:42:04.960
<v Speaker 7>happens in the pursuit of William Reese.

555
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:19.079
<v Speaker 3>In the mid twenty fifteen twenty sixteen time period, the

556
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:27.039
<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma City Police believed that they might have a chance.

557
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:32.960
<v Speaker 3>William Rees showed up in the files he was in prison.

558
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:38.679
<v Speaker 3>He was in prison for kidnapping. They believed he was

559
00:42:38.719 --> 00:42:42.480
<v Speaker 3>a viable suspect. They had a little bit of DNA left.

560
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.840
<v Speaker 3>They had tried DNA a couple of other times over

561
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:54.599
<v Speaker 3>the years, but it hadn't worked. DNA was not very reliable.

562
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:58.400
<v Speaker 3>At that time. They had a little bit of DNA left.

563
00:42:58.440 --> 00:43:03.920
<v Speaker 3>They had one more chance, and they decided to ask

564
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:08.480
<v Speaker 3>a Texas ranger to interview him and see if they

565
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:13.079
<v Speaker 3>could get something that would make them confident in using

566
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:15.920
<v Speaker 3>their last little bit of DNA to see if it

567
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.079
<v Speaker 3>could if the suspect could be William Reese. So they

568
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:27.760
<v Speaker 3>contacted the Texas Rangers who had a cold case investigator

569
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:34.559
<v Speaker 3>whose name was James Holland Texas Ranger James Holland. They

570
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.199
<v Speaker 3>asked him if he would interview Reese, and he said

571
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:41.360
<v Speaker 3>that he would. At the same time, he was already

572
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:45.760
<v Speaker 3>talking to Reese about some of these other murders. Some

573
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 3>other police detectives on the cases, and at this point

574
00:43:51.880 --> 00:44:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Benny Parky, the Denton detective, had retired and another detective

575
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:08.679
<v Speaker 3>named Eric Beckwith had taken over the case. In the meantime,

576
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:20.639
<v Speaker 3>there were many many years that detective I'm sorry, yeah,

577
00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:25.400
<v Speaker 3>I can't remember his name. Another detective had a case

578
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:30.199
<v Speaker 3>for many, many years, Mike Leverton. He had retired and

579
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.599
<v Speaker 3>so Eric Beckworth had taken this case. It was at

580
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 3>that point a very very cold case, but he had

581
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:42.320
<v Speaker 3>gone through the files, he had done some catching up.

582
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:51.599
<v Speaker 3>He wanted to to work with James Holland, the Texas Ranger,

583
00:44:52.519 --> 00:44:55.239
<v Speaker 3>to see if maybe they could make a case against

584
00:44:55.280 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Reese and Achille Cox case. So Holland talked to Reese

585
00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:07.719
<v Speaker 3>and he told him Reese at firstday night everything and

586
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:10.079
<v Speaker 3>he said, well, you know, we have this against you,

587
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:12.519
<v Speaker 3>We have that against you. We have people who saw

588
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:18.199
<v Speaker 3>your truck. I believe that you committed these murders, and

589
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:23.519
<v Speaker 3>I believe that Oklahoma City has DNA they're going to

590
00:45:24.119 --> 00:45:30.840
<v Speaker 3>use against you, and they want the death penalty. And

591
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:36.199
<v Speaker 3>Reese told him if you can get these Texas cases,

592
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.480
<v Speaker 3>if you can get them to take the death penalty

593
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:41.280
<v Speaker 3>off the table, I will tell you things that will

594
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:47.159
<v Speaker 3>help you. So Holland went to the other police departments

595
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:52.960
<v Speaker 3>and said, will you drop the death penalty? And I

596
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:59.519
<v Speaker 3>think we can find these young women. At the time, Kelly,

597
00:45:59.599 --> 00:46:05.199
<v Speaker 3>talk to Kin, we're still missing. There was still no

598
00:46:05.440 --> 00:46:09.280
<v Speaker 3>justice for those young women. Their parents wanted to find

599
00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:13.920
<v Speaker 3>their bodies. They wanted that more than anything else. At

600
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:19.679
<v Speaker 3>that point, they agreed, Yes, we'll take the death penalty

601
00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:22.159
<v Speaker 3>off the table if you'll, if you'll find their bodies

602
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:24.079
<v Speaker 3>for us, so we can bury them, so we can

603
00:46:24.159 --> 00:46:27.679
<v Speaker 3>have a place to go to mourn them, so we

604
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:33.679
<v Speaker 3>can have a little bit of closure. And so James

605
00:46:33.760 --> 00:46:39.559
<v Speaker 3>Holland told Reese, Okay, you tell me what you know,

606
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:44.880
<v Speaker 3>and if it leads to finding these young women, we

607
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:50.239
<v Speaker 3>will not charge you with the death penalty murder. Right,

608
00:46:52.280 --> 00:47:01.679
<v Speaker 3>And so Reese told them, yes, I murdered Lauris, Yes

609
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:12.159
<v Speaker 3>I murdered Kelly Coals, Yes I murdered Jessica Kine. He

610
00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:18.760
<v Speaker 3>still at that point denied having murdered Tiffany Johnson because

611
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:21.519
<v Speaker 3>they didn't actually have the DNA. At that point, he

612
00:47:21.639 --> 00:47:24.480
<v Speaker 3>allowed them to do a swab of his mouth to

613
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:32.320
<v Speaker 3>get DNA right that came back positive, and they knew.

614
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:38.599
<v Speaker 3>They knew that William Lewis Reese had murdered Jesse had

615
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 3>murdered Tiffany Johnson. Right, So Holland came back and talked

616
00:47:46.079 --> 00:47:51.519
<v Speaker 3>to Reese again and said, will you show us where

617
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:53.519
<v Speaker 3>you hid their bodies, and he said, yes, I will.

618
00:47:57.960 --> 00:47:58.000
<v Speaker 1>So.

619
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<v Speaker 3>In March of two thousand and fifty, the Texas Rangers,

620
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:12.559
<v Speaker 3>Denton Police and other officers and other estate officers first

621
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:22.800
<v Speaker 3>went to a place that was that was in a

622
00:48:27.199 --> 00:48:32.519
<v Speaker 3>secluded area, I will say in Brazilia County, Texas. He said,

623
00:48:33.880 --> 00:48:36.280
<v Speaker 3>I brought this girl. He called her the Denton girl.

624
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.880
<v Speaker 3>He said, I brought her here and I buried her body.

625
00:48:42.960 --> 00:48:46.800
<v Speaker 3>It took a little bit of condensing from James Holland,

626
00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:53.519
<v Speaker 3>but he finally admitted that he spent the night in

627
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:58.400
<v Speaker 3>his truck, which had a camper there with Kelly Talks,

628
00:48:59.239 --> 00:49:03.880
<v Speaker 3>parked in that included area, in some woods in what

629
00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:11.159
<v Speaker 3>had once been a rice field, and he told them

630
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:16.599
<v Speaker 3>that he killed her and he buried her body, and

631
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:23.159
<v Speaker 3>he knew sort of he knew sort of where the

632
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:27.400
<v Speaker 3>body was buried, but he unfortunately things had changed in

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<v Speaker 3>that field. The trees had grown up, it didn't look

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<v Speaker 3>that point. They did a little bit of work in

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<v Speaker 3>that field with the back hole, but it was raining

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<v Speaker 3>and so they had to stop. When the rain ceased.

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<v Speaker 3>They went to the other side of Houston near Hobby Airport,

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<v Speaker 3>and he told them, Okay, this is where I buried

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<v Speaker 3>Jessic Cane. And they began digging in that area and

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<v Speaker 3>they found the remains of Jessica Kane. Then they went

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<v Speaker 3>back to the Bassoia County area and they looked some more,

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<v Speaker 3>and they dug some more. They went through it. They

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<v Speaker 3>strained dirt into buckets and they found one of Kelly

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<v Speaker 3>Cox's teeth. They found a bone. They believed that that

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<v Speaker 3>bone was a thigh bone from Kelly's leg. Eventually found

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<v Speaker 3>enough evidence at that side that they charged William Rees

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<v Speaker 3>with those two murders. By that time, the DNA had

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<v Speaker 3>come back as positive in the Tiffany Johnston case, and

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<v Speaker 3>they also in Oklahoma City charged Oklahoma County charged William

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<v Speaker 3>Reese with capital murder in that case. So Reese was

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<v Speaker 3>not looking forward to being moved to Oklahoma because they

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<v Speaker 3>were going after the death penalty. He did not have

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<v Speaker 3>a death penalty looking at him in Texas. So Texas

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<v Speaker 3>law enforcement agreed to wait and see what happened in

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<v Speaker 7>Now you talk about this capital case, what happens with

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<v Speaker 7>that prosecution?

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<v Speaker 3>Everything moves slowly in the criminal justice system. These murders

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<v Speaker 3>happened in the spring and summer of nineteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 3>The trial in Oklahoma County of bringing reached for the

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<v Speaker 3>murder of Tiffany Johnston began on May tenth, twenty twenty one. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it had been twenty four years since Tiffany died, twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four years since Jessica died, since Kelly died. That's a

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<v Speaker 3>very long time to wait for justice. But the Oklahoma

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<v Speaker 3>County prosecutors believed they had a strong case against William

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<v Speaker 3>Rees and they wanted they wanted the death penalty for him.

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<v Speaker 3>They believed he deserved it. They believed that Oklahoma County

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<v Speaker 3>jurors would would believe that he deserved it as well.

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<v Speaker 7>You talk about sea years of pow testifying at this

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<v Speaker 7>trial as well, I was wrong. There was an Oklahoma survivor.

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<v Speaker 7>The Oklahoma people he attacked. Sandrasapau testified at this trial

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<v Speaker 7>as well.

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<v Speaker 3>That is correct. There were two young women who had

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<v Speaker 3>been attacked by Reese many years earlier, and it seems

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<v Speaker 3>like William Rees learned by doing, and by that I

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<v Speaker 3>mean his first two cases. He kidnapped a young woman

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<v Speaker 3>from her car when it stopped running. She was in

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<v Speaker 3>Oklahoma City. She outsmarted him and got away from him,

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<v Speaker 3>but not before he committed oral sexual assault on her.

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<v Speaker 3>She told police who she believed he was. They arrested him,

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<v Speaker 3>He made bail, and before he came to trial on case,

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<v Speaker 3>he followed a woman home from a bar and sexually

696
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<v Speaker 3>attacked her. He was convicted of those two crimes and

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<v Speaker 3>went to prison for eight years. He had been out

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<v Speaker 3>of prison less than six months when Laura who was

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<v Speaker 3>the first victim that we know of in Texas, was murdered.

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<v Speaker 3>William Reeves had learned one thing while he was in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>If you leave them alive, they'll finger you and you'll

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<v Speaker 3>get caught. You can't leave them alive, and so he

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<v Speaker 3>began to murder his victims. But it took twenty four

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<v Speaker 3>years for a man who had not graduated from high school,

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<v Speaker 3>who had spent most of his youth in foster homes

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<v Speaker 3>and orphanages. He was one of thirteen children, and all

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<v Speaker 3>he had learned was how to shoe horses and how

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<v Speaker 3>to drive big equipment. So that's what he was doing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why he was on the highway back and forth

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<v Speaker 3>between Texas and Oklahoma the whole time looking for work.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why he was in the area when Laura Smither

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<v Speaker 3>went for her morning run. It was drizzling rain. He

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<v Speaker 3>was supposed to drive some heavy equipment on a nearby

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<v Speaker 3>in a nearby area where they were building homes, and

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<v Speaker 3>he got sent home, and that's how he came to

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<v Speaker 3>meet with Laura on the road in front of her house.

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<v Speaker 7>This he led police to the bodies. He made a confession,

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<v Speaker 7>he I don't know he was candid about his motivations

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<v Speaker 7>for the murders and the rapes. There wasn't much to

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<v Speaker 7>set him off. Again. He was paroled in.

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<v Speaker 3>Each of these young women for what happened to them.

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<v Speaker 3>He was, you know, in his mind he was blameless.

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<v Speaker 3>He said that that Kelly Cougs was routed to him

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<v Speaker 3>and threw a soft drink on him because they bumped

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<v Speaker 3>into each other. And so in his mind it was

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<v Speaker 3>okay for him to kidnap her, ripe her murderer, and

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<v Speaker 3>bury her body. That's the way William Resh's mind worked.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And this this idea of disabling a car. These

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<v Speaker 7>people all had flat tires or a rescue. As you say,

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<v Speaker 7>he learned. So maybe once he just happened to be

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<v Speaker 7>help out somebody that had a flat tire, but certainly

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<v Speaker 7>after that he planned the disabling of these people's vehicles.

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<v Speaker 7>Very interesting to hear about that. In light of a

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<v Speaker 7>couple of weeks ago we had another book, the Flat

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<v Speaker 7>Tire Murders. Again, the modus operandi was to disable the

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<v Speaker 7>vehicles via a flat tire. Very good technique, it seems.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, young young women often don't know what to do

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<v Speaker 3>when they have a flat tire, and it's scary. You

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<v Speaker 3>can't drive your vehicle and suddenly you're pretty helpless and

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<v Speaker 3>up jumps this man who says, hey, I'll thinks that

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<v Speaker 3>flat tire for Are you no problem? It's very difficult

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<v Speaker 3>to say no, go away in circumstances Black Fan. But

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<v Speaker 3>in the case of in the case of Sandra Sapau,

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<v Speaker 3>they found a stab wound in one of her tires

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<v Speaker 3>that had flattened the tire. They believed he used to knife,

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<v Speaker 3>probably the same knight that he forced her into his

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<v Speaker 3>truck with. He caused the problems to cause these young

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<v Speaker 3>women to need help, and then suddenly here he was

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<v Speaker 3>their hero. He was going to change their tire for him.

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<v Speaker 3>He was going to get him out of the situation

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<v Speaker 3>they suddenly found themselves in. And that worked really well

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<v Speaker 3>for him. The very first case that was made on

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<v Speaker 3>him was the young woman in Oklahoma City who was

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<v Speaker 3>driving down the interstate in the rain and suddenly her

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<v Speaker 3>car stopped. She didn't have a flat tire, but she

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<v Speaker 3>just suddenly she had car trouble. He was driving down

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<v Speaker 3>the interstate in a nineteen wheeler, pulled up behind her,

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<v Speaker 3>appeared at her window and said you're going to get hit.

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<v Speaker 3>You're on the interstate. You need to get in the

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<v Speaker 3>truck with me and we'll go get some help and

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<v Speaker 3>we'll find somebody to tow your car for you. I

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<v Speaker 3>think this was the thing that led him to believe

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<v Speaker 3>this is a great way to get women. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think that he manipulated the other situations so that he

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<v Speaker 3>could be their hero and then he could rape and

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<v Speaker 3>murder them because he locked it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, were the parents of some of these victims, Kelly Cox,

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<v Speaker 7>Lauris Smithers. Were they okay with the rationale for the

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<v Speaker 7>plea bargain and that he wouldn't be put to death.

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<v Speaker 3>They agreed to it because they they want enclosure. They

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to know where their daughters were. They knew they

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<v Speaker 3>were dead. They had to be dead. It had been

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<v Speaker 3>at that point nineteen years since they lost their daughters.

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<v Speaker 3>They wanted them desperately. And yes, they agreed that if

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<v Speaker 3>he were going to be tried in Oklahoma City for

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<v Speaker 3>a death penalty case, that it was okay with them.

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<v Speaker 3>It was okay with them to not dry him in

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<v Speaker 3>a death penalty case in Texas. That's how they That's

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<v Speaker 3>how they found their daughters absolutely. Kellicoxiu's mother actually said,

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<v Speaker 3>if he doesn't find our daughter for us, all bets

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<v Speaker 3>are off. But if if he leads us to her body,

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<v Speaker 3>then we still want to have a trial. We still

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<v Speaker 3>want to look him in the eye. We want to

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<v Speaker 3>hear what excuse he might have for the things he

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<v Speaker 3>did to our daughter. So there was some hesitation that

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<v Speaker 3>they wanted so badly to find their daughters that they

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<v Speaker 3>did agree to him.

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<v Speaker 7>This is a remarkable book too, because you do demonstrate

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<v Speaker 7>and have access to the information about these incredible people

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<v Speaker 7>that were just again they had the future ahead of them.

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<v Speaker 7>I know it's a cliche, but these people again innocent people,

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<v Speaker 7>remarkable stories like somebody abducted from a police department parking lot,

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<v Speaker 7>somebody out for a job for twenty minutes. All of

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<v Speaker 7>these innocent people with their lives ahead of them, and

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<v Speaker 7>this William Reese came into their lives. But also dedicated

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<v Speaker 7>police detective and police chiefs like Sue dietrich Nance which

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01:03:03.119 --> 01:03:05.960
<v Speaker 7>just emerge as a just a hero in this book

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<v Speaker 7>for being dedicated and never giving up the fight, and

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<v Speaker 7>along with some other detectives that you have mentioned as

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<v Speaker 7>well that stuck with this case. Because they believe they

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<v Speaker 7>knew who was the perpetrator. I want to thank you

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<v Speaker 7>very much, Donna Fielder for coming on and talking about

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<v Speaker 7>what evil lurks the Good Samaritan Killer. I know that

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<v Speaker 7>you are an author of other books such as Lady Killer,

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<v Speaker 7>Let's Kill Mom, Pennies on Her Grave, and The Vanished Wife.

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<v Speaker 7>Is there a website they might take a look, might

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<v Speaker 7>take a look at, or an Amazon page? Tell us

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<v Speaker 7>how they might take a look at other books and

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<v Speaker 7>information about this one.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a website called Donna Fielder books dot com.

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<v Speaker 3>If you go to that website, all the books are

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<v Speaker 3>listed there. They're all available on Amazon and many are

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<v Speaker 3>to get a book to download, there's an Amazon button

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, there we go.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you so much, Donna. It's been incredible. What evil

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<v Speaker 7>lurks the Good Samaritan Killer? Donna Fielder, you have a

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<v Speaker 7>great evening. Thank you so much for this interview.

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