Speaker 1: What's Gucci? Stanley Tucci?
Speaker 2: You can't do that?
Speaker 1: What would you rather me say?
Speaker 2: Do another thing that rhymes right now? Don't think about it.
Speaker 3: What's what's happening? Cap Cape land chappinin Fuck?
Speaker 2: That was way worse.
Speaker 1: No, I was really good.
Speaker 2: Do another one now, Hey, everybody, welcome back.
Speaker 3: To fire Escape. I'm Stanley Tucci. That's Dan Riker.
Speaker 2: It's not you're lying. I'm Dan. I I mean yes,
Speaker 2: And Hi, Stanley, I love the food or whatever you do.
Speaker 1: And Mary Kish, who's Stanley Tucci ring show or something?
Speaker 1: So he's a famous actor. But now but now I'm confused.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he does a searching for Italy like travel food
Speaker 3: show on HBO.
Speaker 4: Now he has a line.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: Thing kind of blew up because he was doing like
Speaker 3: kitchen videos on his own and people like just love
Speaker 3: hearing him say anything.
Speaker 5: I know who this is.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at his dress. Well, I'm looking at his
Speaker 2: U his IMDb right now, I don't know if I've
Speaker 2: seen anything he's in. Oh, the Core, I've seen the core.
Speaker 1: I think Devil Wears Prada was probably his breakout.
Speaker 5: Beethoven, Oh my gosh, it's so good.
Speaker 4: I can't believe you even't seen Devil war I.
Speaker 2: Haven't seen The Devil Wears Prada.
Speaker 4: Say that you did a Red Box letter show where
Speaker 4: you reviewed movies.
Speaker 5: I figured you had seen a very good movie.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's what a romantic comedy and it's about fashion.
Speaker 2: That's like two things that would be like kryptonite for me.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a rom com, is it. It's
Speaker 1: it's like I.
Speaker 2: Think I'm the audience for it, right.
Speaker 4: No, actually, don't think it's a rom there's really almost
Speaker 4: no rom in it. It's mostly a comedy and it's
Speaker 4: mostly calm. It's about like a girl who doesn't really
Speaker 4: know anything about fashion in getting eaten alive by like
Speaker 4: a fashion world boss who's like a total bitch and
Speaker 4: a half.
Speaker 3: Wait, what's who's the who's the boss? Why am I
Speaker 3: blanking on her name? Like most famous act ever?
Speaker 2: It's not our friend Helen Mirren.
Speaker 3: It's not her, no other white hair Meryl Meryl Street
Speaker 3: straight close.
Speaker 1: And Anne Hathaway is the like intern.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I mean, if it's about passion, there's no
Speaker 2: chance in hell I ever have seen it.
Speaker 4: It's really good, actually quite funny, but it's comedy. It's comedy.
Speaker 4: It's it's a comedy first. I just think that's a
Speaker 4: it's a mistaken advertising. It's actually it's comedy first.
Speaker 2: You two seem naked.
Speaker 1: Gun No.
Speaker 3: But I saw your comment about it being the funniest
Speaker 3: thing you've seen since mcgroober.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I have to see this for myself. I
Speaker 1: think you would love it.
Speaker 2: I think it is number two only to mcgroober for me,
Speaker 2: and it's, you know, another Lonely Island directed and written movie.
Speaker 2: But holy shit, I think both of you would fucking
Speaker 2: love it. And I will watch this movie many more
Speaker 2: times in my life, probably with you guys at some point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's watch it around Game of the Year.
Speaker 2: Oh god, if you guys don't wait that long, I'll
Speaker 2: do it. Like it's I'm just like forty jokes because
Speaker 2: I was still laughing at the previous ones.
Speaker 4: It's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glaam Mason's game for all of it.
Speaker 2: Oh, he's incredible.
Speaker 4: I'm glad it's so funny too, because like the last
Speaker 4: thing that Liam Neeson was in that was funny was
Speaker 4: that bit that skit where he was like, I want
Speaker 4: to get into comedy and it's like super awkward and
Speaker 4: funny because he shouldn't be doing comedies because he's like
Speaker 4: known for Schindler's List and really serious roles.
Speaker 2: But that's what he's around her for it that I know. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean that's what Lee uh Leslie Nielsen was a
Speaker 2: serious actor.
Speaker 1: And no, I I I shouldn't joke about Schindler's List,
Speaker 1: I guess. But there's a.
Speaker 2: Sign that's a great winning a sentence. There's this Sign episode.
Speaker 3: Where Jerry's newman catches Jerry making out with his Jewish
Speaker 3: girlfriend during Schindler's List at the theater.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it. Do you think it holds up?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, it's in black and white, which I know
Speaker 3: you hate.
Speaker 2: Well, but like for a reason, right, like don't they
Speaker 2: show or something I haven't seen many black and white
Speaker 2: movies or movies with subtitles.
Speaker 5: Subtitles are really like, that's so limiting for you.
Speaker 2: Well, I know it's because I remember I found that
Speaker 2: like Google doc I made like fifteen years ago, and
Speaker 2: it was like, here's one hundred and one things I
Speaker 2: want to do in the next thousand and one days,
Speaker 2: and like one of the only ones I didn't accomplish
Speaker 2: was watch a movie with subtitles.
Speaker 1: Really. Yeah, it's that a hard thing I have.
Speaker 2: I've read language movies everything everywhere, all at once. I
Speaker 2: did in Bonk, and I have watched lams like the
Speaker 2: Seventh Samurai. I haven't seen Pants Labyrinth, so like I'm
Speaker 2: more worldly now, but definitely like ten years ago, I
Speaker 2: don't think i'd read.
Speaker 4: There's so many horror movies, remember how like I recommended
Speaker 4: a horror movie like, Oh, it really opens up if
Speaker 4: you're willing to get into subtitles because there's some fucked
Speaker 4: up and really good scary horror movies from like you know,
Speaker 4: in other languages, and they're super worth watching.
Speaker 1: I probably should.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we watched Amanda and her cousin was staying with
Speaker 3: us and we watched those two watched Barbarian with me for.
Speaker 1: The first time.
Speaker 2: Nice blind. It was going to blind.
Speaker 1: They had no idea what it was about.
Speaker 5: They're really squirming in their seats.
Speaker 4: There's like a distinct moment where everyone I think, just
Speaker 4: curls up into a ball because you're so freaked out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also I mean, it's been out for a while,
Speaker 3: but I still don't want it.
Speaker 1: If you haven't seen no don't worry.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you don't say anything about
Speaker 2: I want.
Speaker 3: To watching two other people watch it, oh seeing them
Speaker 3: like trying to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I am.
Speaker 2: I'm excited about Weapons, the new one by that director,
Speaker 2: and I don't really know anything about it, so probably
Speaker 2: just going to blind to that one as.
Speaker 1: Well, just seeing the trailer. Did you see the trailer?
Speaker 2: I might have trailer seeing it like months ago in
Speaker 2: a theater or something, but like before I knew it,
Speaker 2: so like if they if I did, I forgot everything.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know if it holds any weight or if
Speaker 3: it's just a rumor. But I had heard read that
Speaker 3: like Jordan Peele was trying really hard to get the
Speaker 3: rights to the script, but this director either beat him out.
Speaker 1: Somehow, oh well beat him off.
Speaker 3: But did you know the director of Barbarian and Weapons
Speaker 3: is like that is a dude from the Whitest Kids,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a sketch writer and performer.
Speaker 3: Funny Yeah, yeah, which is there's maybe like off cam
Speaker 3: I wanted I was. I didn't remember how funny parts
Speaker 3: of Barbarian were, Like there there's the man. Yeah. I
Speaker 3: really don't want to talk about yeah, this is bad radio.
Speaker 3: I'll talk to well after when we're offline. I'll uh,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you. But I was laughing so fucking hard. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then, uh, I want to see Naked Gun really badly,
Speaker 3: but I guess I can wait.
Speaker 2: I cannot say enough about it, and nothing I say
Speaker 2: would would do it justice other than you two will
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 1: And I will. Yeah, I'll keep watching that movie anytime.
Speaker 2: It's like, it's like an hour twenty five In every
Speaker 2: twenty seconds there's a fucking joke that lands, like it
Speaker 2: and they all land for the most part.
Speaker 1: It's just unbelievable. Did I read there's another OJ joke
Speaker 1: in this one too?
Speaker 2: The trailer one one the trailer.
Speaker 1: No, I haven't seen the trailer, Okay.
Speaker 2: Keep it that way. Yeah, yeah, there's a good Yeah.
Speaker 3: I remember the original one. OJ was in the movie
Speaker 3: right at the beginning.
Speaker 2: Well, no, he was like, yeah, he was a big
Speaker 2: part of the original. Yeah, and yeah.
Speaker 1: He's falling into like a wedding cake in the dock. Oh,
Speaker 1: it's like putting stuck.
Speaker 2: In a bucket. He falls out a window and gets
Speaker 2: shot a million times, and like, yeah, that's great, Yeah,
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 5: That's just in the physical comedy. I'm excited to see that.
Speaker 4: I saw twenty eight years later.
Speaker 1: I saw that.
Speaker 4: That's where I put my time this weekend.
Speaker 5: I liked it. I just found the ending to be
Speaker 5: so confusing.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to remember that because I saw it and
Speaker 2: I remember, I remember liking it more as it went on,
Speaker 2: because like, I'm not normally a horror movie guy or zombie,
Speaker 2: and I hadn't seen the first two movies, and I'm trying.
Speaker 4: It's just one of the uh.
Speaker 2: Know what you're talking about. I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's necessary. I just I was shocked
Speaker 4: that that's the direction they went with it. But I
Speaker 4: think it's very ark and brooding and very much in
Speaker 4: line the film with the first movie. People who like
Speaker 4: twenty eight days Later, most people are like, the first
Speaker 4: one's great. Second one's like bad and can not very good,
Speaker 4: And I think this one is entertaining.
Speaker 5: It's entertaining, but I don't think it's good.
Speaker 4: The intro sequence is phenomenal, but like that is not
Speaker 4: the film. And then this new one, the movie is
Speaker 4: like really dark and brooding and it's it's it's got
Speaker 4: such an awesome premise, which I don't think is a
Speaker 4: spoiler to say, Like they basically like live on an
Speaker 4: island and the only way in and out of the
Speaker 4: island is to walk on this like tiny little sand pathway,
Speaker 4: and then it's covered by water, you know, during high tides,
Speaker 4: so you only get a couple hours where you can
Speaker 4: actually get to this island every day. And I find
Speaker 4: that so entertaining, so interesting to me. And they have like,
Speaker 4: you know, like a whole island system of Oh, I'm
Speaker 4: the baker and I'm the person who makes the tools,
Speaker 4: and I'm the teacher. Like they have a whole world
Speaker 4: on this island, but they have to leave the island
Speaker 4: to get resources.
Speaker 1: Love that.
Speaker 4: I think like a video game zombie with a yeah,
Speaker 4: zombie movie with like an excellent plot is really appealing
Speaker 4: to me. So I really did enjoy it, and I
Speaker 4: was I was glad that I watched. It was either
Speaker 4: that or going to the movies and seeing weapons, and
Speaker 4: I was like, well, I.
Speaker 1: Don't want to. Oh, twenty eight years later is streaming now, Yes.
Speaker 4: The comfort of my living room.
Speaker 1: Let me.
Speaker 2: I want to ask Mary a question about the ending,
Speaker 2: So past forward like a minute if you want wait
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear this, Okay, Mary, do you
Speaker 2: know what they were dressed like at the end?
Speaker 1: Do you know what that was about?
Speaker 4: I mean they all look like little religious figures.
Speaker 2: It's a very specific reference from Britain. Do you know
Speaker 2: Jimmy Saville, Jimmy Seville, the Master? Okay, there's a whole
Speaker 2: Netflix documentary about him, like like oh shit, beyond Cosby
Speaker 2: level monster, like, but he was a huge part of
Speaker 2: British pop culture history and the.
Speaker 4: Guy was like wearing all of his religious stuffs of
Speaker 4: the people that I grew up watching like old British
Speaker 4: pop culture at the time, and they've kind of built like
Speaker 4: look it up because it's setting up the equal that's
Speaker 4: coming up in like like six months or something like that.
Speaker 2: So it's like I was like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: I didn't realize there's until Lucy. Lucy was like, oh,
Speaker 2: the difference between people who grew up in the UK
Speaker 2: and the people who didn't grow up in the UK
Speaker 2: don't and it's like, oh shit, I've seen that was Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's look up Jimmy Saville, and twenty eight years later
Speaker 2: it's actually like pretty fucking interesting.
Speaker 1: So all right, everyone's be come on back, Come on back,
Speaker 1: Come on back.
Speaker 3: Be so fucking funny if you've told me to come
Speaker 3: back and then as soon as I put them on,
Speaker 3: you just spoiled everything.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: That'd be funny.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't wait to watch that. I also need
Speaker 3: to see the Phoenician scheme new Wes Anderson. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: cannot wait for one battle after another.
Speaker 1: One battle.
Speaker 3: It's the Paul Thomas Anderson's sex movie with Leo DiCaprio
Speaker 3: and Benicio del Toro. So it's based on a book.
Speaker 3: I think Jake is reading it. Jake has do you
Speaker 3: guys know how Jake does this thing where any book
Speaker 3: that a PTA movie is based on he reads.
Speaker 1: So he read oil exclamation.
Speaker 3: Point and yeah, yeah, so he's reading. I think this
Speaker 3: is based It's not a Thomas Pinsion book, but like
Speaker 3: in Harar and Vice was. But yeah, either way, it
Speaker 3: looks very fucking funny. It's like a modern day rebel
Speaker 3: uprising in l A, I think, but like Benicio Latro
Speaker 3: is Leo's sense, but Leo is just a total fucking
Speaker 3: slob in the trailer.
Speaker 4: Oh this sounds great, like a real piece of ship.
Speaker 3: Where it's like those one battle after the neck. Okay,
Speaker 3: one battle after another.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, I'm very interested in this.
Speaker 3: Immediately sunglass he's wearing like the gators or whatever they're called,
Speaker 3: the sunglasses.
Speaker 2: But like everyone you're reaching is being part of it.
Speaker 2: I'm just like, Okay, that sounds excellent.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I don't think I dislike any of
Speaker 3: Paul Thomas Anderson's movie Thread.
Speaker 1: Oh I love that movie. That's don't again.
Speaker 2: It seems like it was about fashion, and I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't think I'm the audience for this.
Speaker 3: It's about fashion in the same way like The Wrestler
Speaker 3: is about wrestling. Like it's pretty good wrestling movie, you right,
Speaker 3: Like they go deep on, but the movie is about
Speaker 3: much more than that.
Speaker 1: It's this.
Speaker 3: It's about like this literally, I it's kind of spoiler
Speaker 3: to say literally, but it's a toxic relationship between Daniel
Speaker 3: day Lewis and the actor.
Speaker 2: I do love Damian day Lewis and and Taul Thomas Anderson.
Speaker 1: So I think you'd like it it, eh.
Speaker 3: I actually don't know. I can't recommend a wholeheartedly. I
Speaker 3: mean I don't. I don't like to recommend things lest
Speaker 3: some positive The Land. Well, okay, I know you hated
Speaker 3: Magnolia though, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, I appreciate when something that weird exists, Like
Speaker 2: I love it when people spend a whole lot of
Speaker 2: money on shit that's just bonkers, like you know, see
Speaker 2: my Kajima obsession and everything. So I appreciate it. I
Speaker 2: did not enjoy watching it, really, Okay, fair enough, it's
Speaker 2: really long. I love The Master though. It's one of
Speaker 2: my favorite movies. I never saw that either.
Speaker 1: That movie. You should watch that before you watch Phantom Thread.
Speaker 2: I remember that's just kind of middling reviews. So I
Speaker 2: didn't wind up seeing it.
Speaker 1: I fucking I think it's amazing.
Speaker 3: It's Philip Seymour Hoffman and Jaquin Phoenix just trying to
Speaker 3: out act each other.
Speaker 1: That sounds fun. It's and they're like.
Speaker 3: People talk about how good Phillip seymore Hoffin is in
Speaker 3: that he's basically playing l Ron Hubbard.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like.
Speaker 3: Joaquin Phoenix, I would actually say Jaquin Phoenix, I think,
Speaker 3: to be reductive and just compare them. I think Jaquin
Speaker 3: Phoenix is better in that movie. He plays such a
Speaker 3: fucking weirdo, a dude who's like clearly got PTSD from
Speaker 3: world War two before they knew what that actually.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they knew what that was back then,
Speaker 1: they might have, but like, he's fucked up.
Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, the movie's amazing, and it's just basically like
Speaker 3: if l Ron Hubbard got consistently called out for the
Speaker 3: inaccuracies in his teachings.
Speaker 1: Okay, hew full of shit like Phillip Semore.
Speaker 3: Hoffin's character is kind of a stand in for like
Speaker 3: l Ron Hubbard or like any.
Speaker 1: I guess church leader. But yeah, he it's it's awesome.
Speaker 1: I like that movie. I think it's twenty twelve that
Speaker 1: came out when I was at Game and Former Sure. Nice, yeah, but.
Speaker 3: I can't wait for one battle after the next whatever
Speaker 3: it's called. What else have you guys been up to?
Speaker 2: Well, Mary like a month? Well yeah, Mary had a
Speaker 2: suggestion for you. I remember I watched a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks ago, but we didn't wind up talking about it.
Speaker 6: Speaking of movies, I've been trying to get everybody to
Speaker 6: watch K Pop Demon Hunters because I was shocked with
Speaker 6: my reaction to it, and I was curious what you
Speaker 6: guys thought.
Speaker 1: I will say I did not watch it.
Speaker 3: If you want to wait I promise I will watch
Speaker 3: it by next episode. I told you guys before this,
Speaker 3: I've had like a migraine building up all day, so
Speaker 3: it's trying not to look at screens as much as
Speaker 3: I could. If you want to talk about it now,
Speaker 3: I'll go for it, but I will watch it by
Speaker 3: next episode.
Speaker 1: If you want to hold off. Up to you Mary, up.
Speaker 5: To you, Dan, what'd you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 3: It was a process for me, and I get the
Speaker 3: premise quick, so I like, what is it? Because Mary's like, Mike,
Speaker 3: can you watch this by tennight? Was like, I'll try,
Speaker 3: But what the fuck is K pop Demon Hunters?
Speaker 1: Mary? Do you want to? Sure?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 4: It's a K pop oh yeah group? And they also
Speaker 4: hunt demons?
Speaker 1: Is in anime?
Speaker 5: It isn't?
Speaker 4: It is a musical anime? Well cartoons. I'm gonna just
Speaker 4: I'm gonna classify it as CG cartoon.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And there is then a rival K pop group.
Speaker 4: Of men that start competing with them, and then they
Speaker 4: find out that the K pop competing group of boys
Speaker 4: are demons, and then they have to K pop fight
Speaker 4: their way out of who's going to win the crowd
Speaker 4: because if the demons win, they're gonna suck the souls
Speaker 4: of all the fans. But the girls are losing their popularity,
Speaker 4: and they're also fighting amongst themselves, and one of the
Speaker 4: girls likes one of the boys.
Speaker 1: Ooh, like a capula in a Montague is a bit.
Speaker 4: Like a Montague situation.
Speaker 1: Dan, that's a naked gun reference. I'm surprise you can't
Speaker 1: catch you.
Speaker 2: That's Romeo and Juliet. I'm a red man.
Speaker 1: What oh r e a d Yeah?
Speaker 2: Read a book?
Speaker 1: What about it?
Speaker 3: Kind of sounded had Scott Pilgrim vibes the premise to
Speaker 3: what you were saying, Like, I hate that movie.
Speaker 2: I hate everything Scott Pilgrim so fucking much. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: remember the worst.
Speaker 3: Also when I was a game for him, I remember
Speaker 3: that movie was still like people were obsessed with it.
Speaker 2: Just lame emo nerd bait ship. Just wasn't funny, like
Speaker 2: just nerds suck. Yeah, just everyone was dorking out about it.
Speaker 2: Just dumb nerd bait ship.
Speaker 1: You know what I do when I see nerds, I
Speaker 1: give him.
Speaker 3: I give him Swirly USA over here, brother fucking Swirly
Speaker 3: Central Russia for me heading the toilet feet in the clouds.
Speaker 4: Yeah, died as he lived.
Speaker 3: Had the toilet geez, no I died giving someone Oh
Speaker 3: I see okay, Mary.
Speaker 2: It was an uphill battle, uh for us because if
Speaker 2: there's three things okay, so me and Bank, like I wasn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't think we're gonna have time to watch because
Speaker 2: like Tuesday night was the only night that I would
Speaker 2: have been able to do it. And it's usually me
Speaker 2: and Bunks movie night. And I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: Mary was really giving me the hard cell. I'm like,
Speaker 2: and we didn't have anything locked in. I was like,
Speaker 2: do you wanna do you want to try this? No,
Speaker 2: she was just like, let's do it. I was ready
Speaker 2: to write it off.
Speaker 1: She was like, let's do it.
Speaker 2: But and I went in blind and it's I'm telling
Speaker 2: me that before the title it did numerous things that
Speaker 2: is just kryptonite to me and Bunk. We don't I mean,
Speaker 2: we don't really know anything about K pop. I don't
Speaker 2: think we've ever seen I could probably point out K
Speaker 2: pop and a police lineup, but like we've never taken
Speaker 2: it in. No, and then like we don't like musicals,
Speaker 2: like you know, Bunk and I saw Hamilton and Dear
Speaker 2: Evan Hanson and all that, and like well, we don't
Speaker 2: like musicals at all.
Speaker 1: Well, you didn't like Hamilton? No, I mean I literally
Speaker 1: did not like. I know, I don't like you. I know,
Speaker 1: I just really lame, like I left.
Speaker 2: I just it's so the raps are the lamest shit
Speaker 2: I've ever seen in my likes.
Speaker 1: Does Alex Bonyelo know that?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he's He was texting me in the last
Speaker 2: few weeks trying to explain musicals to me. It's like,
Speaker 2: I trust me, it's not going.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Hamilton and lin Manuel Miranda, Alex Boniello is
Speaker 3: on the the the I.
Speaker 1: Don't even know how you describe it. Basically, lin Manuel Miranda.
Speaker 3: They revived The Warriors, Yeah, as an audio musical, and
Speaker 3: Alex Bannelo plays a character on it.
Speaker 1: He sings, yeah, oh what does he say?
Speaker 3: He's got a really funny line. He's like, I'm not
Speaker 3: here to I got to look it up.
Speaker 1: I don't. I'll let me you keep talking. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: find it's a really funny one.
Speaker 2: So yeah, No, But to give Hamilton some credit, I
Speaker 2: do remember leaving the theater that night and thinking like, well,
Speaker 2: those people are good at their jobs. So that's probably
Speaker 2: the nicest thing I have to say about Hamilton. But
Speaker 2: we don't like musicals. We don't know anything about K pop,
Speaker 2: and we don't like anything that's meant for kids, you know,
Speaker 2: like Disney stuff. We don't seek out, you know, Like
Speaker 2: it's just like and so we go in blind red flags. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we go in blind and ride away. Just like the
Speaker 2: art style and the tone. I'm just kind of like, Okay,
Speaker 2: here we fucking go. And then it was the moment
Speaker 2: they're on the plane at the beginning and they start
Speaker 2: fucking singing as they're fighting, and I just turned to Bonks,
Speaker 2: I'm like, are we gonna be able to do this?
Speaker 2: Is this like I know, even doing this for Mary?
Speaker 2: I know it would be so we can talk about it,
Speaker 2: but like, fuck, they're singing, they're making Quippi fucking Marvel
Speaker 2: type jokes and stuff, and it's like, oh boy, this
Speaker 2: and give bank credit. They're like, not me for like
Speaker 2: she was like, no, let's let's see it through. You know.
Speaker 5: Is this why she unfollowed me on?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Probably? Yeah? I know she had she had a whole
Speaker 2: tirade ready for her and she's like, all just follow
Speaker 2: her up my tongue.
Speaker 5: No, no, she did it. I give her credit, she's
Speaker 5: she's more open minded.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it's just one of those things where it's like
Speaker 2: I can't separate in my head with musicals, Like I've
Speaker 2: never understood why a character would be singing like people
Speaker 2: don't do that.
Speaker 5: Well they're K pop stars. Does that help?
Speaker 2: That's the thing is, So if it's like this like
Speaker 2: in universe thing where it's like, oh, actually they do
Speaker 2: kind of explain it, it does help a little bit,
Speaker 2: because I always do struggle if it's like a Broadway
Speaker 2: thing or a Disney movie or something, and it's like,
Speaker 2: why aren't you just saying what you feel? Why are
Speaker 2: you seeing? Why isn't anyone think it's weird that you're
Speaker 2: just singing out of nowhere? Yeah? I do not fucking
Speaker 2: understand it. My brain doesn't track with it. But as
Speaker 2: it went on, there was every once in a while, okay,
Speaker 2: a little chuckle here, little chuckle there, a little like
Speaker 2: as like, oh, that fight seems actually really well put together.
Speaker 2: I think the first time I started kind of chuckling
Speaker 2: and bunked to two was like when the rival boy
Speaker 2: K pop band shows up and like, you know, the
Speaker 2: girls are all like their eyes are popcorn coming out
Speaker 2: and like the ab stuff was really funny. And then
Speaker 2: we both started like really laughing with that weird cat
Speaker 2: with the like bird.
Speaker 4: Like when the cat.
Speaker 2: Knocking stuff over and everything. We were both like, okay,
Speaker 2: we're both like openly laughing right now at this And
Speaker 2: by the end, I will say, and the animation is incredible.
Speaker 2: It is undeniably incredible. By the end, I did not
Speaker 2: hate it. It looks like I.
Speaker 1: Did not hate it.
Speaker 2: I gave it three stars out of five, the same
Speaker 2: score I gave President John Cena and Prime Minister Address
Speaker 2: Alba movie I get higher than Happy Gilmore too.
Speaker 1: I gave it to like, you.
Speaker 5: Know, I would be Gilmore.
Speaker 4: Two sucks.
Speaker 2: That's the thing is like when I saw it near it.
Speaker 2: When I saw it, I was like, all right, the
Speaker 2: bar was low. I was expecting nothing from it. But
Speaker 2: then it's like I got a couple of little chuckles
Speaker 2: out of it, so it's like, all right, that wouldn't
Speaker 2: be bad. And then I saw Naked Gun, I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh right, comedies can be brilliant.
Speaker 4: You know totally what comedy is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think speaking of I found the line oh
Speaker 3: Alex Banielo on the album he plays a character named Luther,
Speaker 3: and at one point he has a line lyric I
Speaker 3: didn't come to make friends.
Speaker 1: I came to make your dad shit his depends.
Speaker 4: Wait sorry, is it a rap like the other one? Uh?
Speaker 3: There's like there's definitely some hip hop vibes to it,
Speaker 3: but not not like on the level of Hamilton.
Speaker 2: I don't know how anyone could ever hear Lynn ma
Speaker 2: Newill Miranda say or sing anything and think this is cool.
Speaker 3: I like this, they will say, I will say Lin
Speaker 3: Manuel is my least favorite part of Hamilton.
Speaker 2: NI Mike Manatti un ironically says that Lynn Manuel Miranda
Speaker 2: is his favorite rapper.
Speaker 3: I think he's really smarmy. He's everything I've heard. He
Speaker 3: sounds like a wonderful human being.
Speaker 1: I don't know that.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, absolutely, Butello is good friends with them. I
Speaker 2: wondering separation. I've heard nothing about him. Yeah, No, I
Speaker 2: just don't like you stuff. I'm sure you're great. It
Speaker 2: just seems like everything you do for your life's work
Speaker 2: seems insufferable. Oh yeah, even children, Like who is the
Speaker 2: potential audience here just doing like a weird dumb like
Speaker 2: YouTube rap level? Like my name missus Hamilton, I'm here to.
Speaker 1: Say I shot a guy.
Speaker 2: Like it's like, are people like fucking with me and
Speaker 2: saying this is good? It's in him?
Speaker 1: Amazing.
Speaker 3: I've I've genuinely not heard anybody that dislikes him, Like the.
Speaker 4: United States are fucking with You're a.
Speaker 2: Man in humor and like, wait, please, I'm gonna try
Speaker 2: to be open minded the ear what I'm gonna try,
Speaker 2: But you're so so it's so stupid to me. It
Speaker 2: feels like the universe is playing a prank on me. Like,
Speaker 2: what do you like about Hamilton?
Speaker 3: I think the lyrics are incredible. I think the characters
Speaker 3: are extremely deep. I think it's heart wrenching at parts.
Speaker 3: I think it's hilarious. I think it's like it's it's
Speaker 3: just vibrating with electric Like I don't know, I've never
Speaker 3: been asked what do I like about Hamilton?
Speaker 2: You think you know someone I know I love? This
Speaker 2: might be grounds.
Speaker 1: Are you surprised I like musicals?
Speaker 2: Not I mean specifically Hamilton. It seems so lame.
Speaker 1: Oh this guy likes musicals who has this book on
Speaker 1: his book? I know you're a fucking whine dude, but like.
Speaker 2: I associate Broadway with like theater kids stuff and you
Speaker 2: number struck me as a theater you know.
Speaker 1: I Oh, to be clear, I've I've been to one
Speaker 1: Broadway show.
Speaker 3: It was King Kong because they had an animatronic giant
Speaker 3: gorilla lean over the audience.
Speaker 1: It was cool. I loved it. Apparently the show was bad.
Speaker 1: I didn't know enough about theater.
Speaker 4: But but people say Hamilton like broke Through, Like it's
Speaker 4: not just something that thee like or musical people like
Speaker 4: Hamilton was so beloved it became pop culture. It tapped
Speaker 4: into a vein of people who wanted to experience history
Speaker 4: in a not boding back then.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they sang.
Speaker 2: I'm tried to temper myself a little bit because I
Speaker 2: was kind of talking about musical ago there.
Speaker 3: I don't give a ship whether you like Hamilton. He
Speaker 3: asked me a question for me for myself.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to temper myself because a few weeks ago
Speaker 2: I found myself getting heated about musicals and giant bomb
Speaker 2: and Bank was watching and texted me and he's like,
Speaker 2: you're being very Paul Record right now. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, she's right, but.
Speaker 3: You don't have to like Okay, Actually, I have a question.
Speaker 3: Have you seen the movie on Hulu. It's a Hulu
Speaker 3: originally like theater Camp. No, okay, hmmm.
Speaker 1: Trying to weigh whether I was in.
Speaker 2: Theater classes in high school. I loved it. I acted
Speaker 2: in school and tell you until they started doing singing
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm completely out of this. Like
Speaker 2: even as a teenager, I was like, this is insane.
Speaker 3: I uh, I'm a terrible singer. But I was not
Speaker 3: a theater kid. I will say theater Camp on Hulu
Speaker 3: reminds me of Palm Springs. It's one of those, like
Speaker 3: Hula original overlooked gems. You should watch theater Camp. It's
Speaker 3: really funny.
Speaker 1: I just give it, don't. You don't have to be
Speaker 1: you don't have to be in a theater.
Speaker 4: I'm not in the music Disney like uh, Little Mermaid
Speaker 4: when you were growing you know what?
Speaker 2: And I was the right Disney age. I like Little
Speaker 2: I never liked Beating the Beast. I didn't get that.
Speaker 2: I liked Little Mermaid. I liked Lion King, and I
Speaker 2: like to like my guest, be my guest, the Simpson's version.
Speaker 5: But sure, yeah, I'll take it.
Speaker 1: But my best you like a Latin because Jasmine was bid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't too.
Speaker 2: I was six, you know, like I I never ever
Speaker 2: went back and watched those movies. I think, like, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine that now, But.
Speaker 4: When did the thing happen in your brain? Where childhood?
Speaker 1: Eight eight?
Speaker 2: I don't know, why the are they singing? Like even
Speaker 2: as a child, you know, and do you.
Speaker 1: Spend much of your life playing Nintendo games? I don't think.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know, I know not that you.
Speaker 1: Can't be an adult like Nintendo games.
Speaker 2: But you get no, No, it wasn't someone who played games.
Speaker 2: I could probably make the exact same argument about Mario.
Speaker 2: You're a little cartoon plumber guy and you're yeah, But
Speaker 2: it's just something about the singing, Like I'm not someone
Speaker 2: who thinks that stuff for kids can't be good or
Speaker 2: have value or anything like that. I just think, specifically
Speaker 2: my brain, this is just a me thing. I can't
Speaker 2: get over the fact that, like, why the fuck are
Speaker 2: they singing right now?
Speaker 1: Nobody does?
Speaker 5: Have you seen in canto?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 5: In canto?
Speaker 4: A lot of people compare to like modern did the
Speaker 4: like Lion.
Speaker 5: King a movie songs?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a Disney movie with you know, cartoon people
Speaker 4: who are going through ship and then sometimes they're singing,
Speaker 4: but the songs are pretty good.
Speaker 2: But why wouldn't they if they're going through why wouldn't
Speaker 2: they just talk about it and have a scene about it?
Speaker 2: And I'm sad, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like I just thought that the theater goes back
Speaker 3: far far into history when like singing, it wasn't like
Speaker 3: a weird thing, like that's how they told stories as
Speaker 3: with a side.
Speaker 2: I mean, I went to my therapist today and saying,
Speaker 2: you know, like.
Speaker 3: It's nothing going to be realistic, like you just you
Speaker 3: you just played a game where a guy fucking drops
Speaker 3: people into some ink to so their bodies don't blow
Speaker 3: up and torch the earth.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 4: When I turned date, I realized it just wasn't real.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they don't, like that's the thing they're not saying.
Speaker 2: I actually got there is actually like a music I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna say, the puppet scene, like you can have him
Speaker 1: I'm around.
Speaker 2: No, they got even more music stuff and.
Speaker 5: They sing happy birthday to you.
Speaker 2: No, that's the thing, Happy birthday.
Speaker 3: That's the thing people do well exactly exactly. Why don't
Speaker 3: you just go up to someone when you hand them
Speaker 3: a cake on their birthday and say happy Birthday?
Speaker 1: Why do you sing it?
Speaker 2: I guess it's a tradition. It's a fun thing.
Speaker 5: There you go, The keyword was fun.
Speaker 2: I do realize this is fully just my dad, because
Speaker 2: it's like I was asking about that, you know, that
Speaker 2: Saturday Night movie that came out about Saturday Night Live,
Speaker 2: And I thought like, oh, man, dad's such a big
Speaker 2: doork for like old SNL stuff, Like I bet he'd
Speaker 2: love this Saturday Night Live movie. And I asked him,
Speaker 2: like have you seen it? He's like, oh, the one
Speaker 2: with all the fake people. And I was like, what
Speaker 2: do you mean. He's like, yeah, the fake people playing
Speaker 2: the real people. And I was like, yeah, chevy Chase
Speaker 2: is like eighty, He's not going to play himself in
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy five, So.
Speaker 3: What is Chevy Chase doing in all his movies playing
Speaker 3: other people?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not saying this makes sense. It's a good
Speaker 2: way to think. I'm just saying it's how I think.
Speaker 3: John Belushi is not actually a pimp when he popped
Speaker 3: his mouth in Animal House? What is Why do I
Speaker 3: Why do I spend so much time explaining things to you?
Speaker 2: And that's what every friend of mine has been saying
Speaker 2: for many years, like it's not right. I know, I
Speaker 2: know it's stupid. I'm in the minority here, but it's
Speaker 2: just like, don't like musicals, to be clear, I don't care.
Speaker 3: Music.
Speaker 4: Not being stoked about musicals in general, which I like,
Speaker 4: I think is just like a personal preference of yours
Speaker 4: and specifically.
Speaker 5: Hating Lin Manuel.
Speaker 2: Okay, if it committed musical present, if if it's a
Speaker 2: play about the life of Alexander Hamilton and the duel
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, would be great, that's fine. But
Speaker 2: then it's like every time, like you'd hear the music
Speaker 2: Starred and something, it's just like, here we fucking go.
Speaker 2: You're gonna sing a fucking song about it, Like.
Speaker 1: The lyrics are incredible?
Speaker 2: Okay to me either or not subjective?
Speaker 3: Oh sorry, it's not James Mayard Keene or where the
Speaker 3: fuck his name is?
Speaker 1: What the tool guy? Oh that tool? Me beyond that tool.
Speaker 1: I love tool. I thought it was me and you
Speaker 1: that liked it.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Banca was a I didn't mean to shoot that
Speaker 3: stray bullet at you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I you don't have to like musicals, to be clear,
Speaker 1: even Book.
Speaker 2: Of Mormon, like I like Trey Parker Matt's own stuff.
Speaker 2: I love south Park to America all that stuff, and like.
Speaker 4: I, yeah, there's a lot of musicals in there.
Speaker 3: South Park hasn't been relevant for twenty years, that's what
Speaker 3: I hear. Yeah, actually, yeah, I think it might be
Speaker 3: relevant again finally. Yeah, well yeah, but when when it's cartoons, so, like,
Speaker 3: you know, like South Park. I love the South Park
Speaker 3: movie and it's straight up a musical. I bought the
Speaker 3: soundtrack as a kid and everything, and like it's fantastic.
Speaker 3: But I think it's just because like it is in
Speaker 3: this whimsical, like oh, it's just these cartoon characters and
Speaker 3: this silly, you know, story and stuff, like I think
Speaker 3: I can accept it, or even Team America where it's
Speaker 3: like how ridiculous is it that these puppets are singing
Speaker 3: and all this stuff?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: I think it's just when you're showing me real people
Speaker 2: on a stage or in a movie, I just can't
Speaker 2: handle it.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna now that I know this, I'm gonna like,
Speaker 3: the next time you're here or when I'm at your house,
Speaker 3: I'm going to like try to put a musical on
Speaker 3: without you knowing.
Speaker 2: I'll know I'll detect it well, you'll know when.
Speaker 1: They start dancing and singing. Yeah, but like you know,
Speaker 1: you'll know when.
Speaker 2: The police show up and kick you out of my house.
Speaker 1: Imagine imagine what what Dan?
Speaker 3: What would your brain do if you saw Will Forte
Speaker 3: and and uh Jorma Jorma yeah, announced that they're doing
Speaker 3: a mcgrooverer musical.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I know it would be hilarious. I
Speaker 2: know it would be funny because there wouldn't be any
Speaker 2: remote like taking self seriously thing where it's like I
Speaker 2: think when people talk about like hamils and stuff like
Speaker 2: this is important to no pop culture, you know.
Speaker 1: And then well, you know, rest in peace.
Speaker 3: But like imagine I Val Kilm is alive and he
Speaker 3: came on stage, He's like, week.
Speaker 2: No, I would probably love musical. There's an old Way.
Speaker 2: So there's old Seth Meyers joke about the Rocky Musical
Speaker 2: and he's like, oh yeah, this, this Rocky musical is
Speaker 2: gonna have Broadway next week. He's like, so if you're
Speaker 2: a fan of the bravado and machismo of the Rocky
Speaker 2: film franchise and lavish Broadway musicals, who are you know?
Speaker 2: But that's kind of how I feel, Like, Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: just that is not for me at all.
Speaker 4: And it sounds like you like it if it's ironic.
Speaker 4: But what I will say is Puppets, you liked K
Speaker 4: pop Demon Hunters, I.
Speaker 1: Forgot what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I did generally like it. Again, three stars, that's a
Speaker 2: good host, that's a that's a good score for me.
Speaker 2: I got that tied with Jingle all the way, Alien Romulus.
Speaker 4: Oh god, I can't believe it tied with Moms not
Speaker 4: three stars.
Speaker 1: That movie is not good.
Speaker 2: It is fine, It was fine. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I I very much tried to be open mindedn't give
Speaker 2: new things a chance and stuff like that. But it
Speaker 2: did have an uphill battle, uh that I do think
Speaker 2: it overcame.
Speaker 4: I fight through a lot of your ignorance to get
Speaker 4: those three stars.
Speaker 2: Now we're just getting personal.
Speaker 4: My goodness, I'm actually like really proud of that. We
Speaker 4: had to fight decades of like just complete and utter
Speaker 4: anger and like, you know, know, deception. You didn't want
Speaker 4: to believe that you could.
Speaker 2: Like this, And to give Bank credit, as I always
Speaker 2: liked to, I was going to turn it off if
Speaker 2: Bank had any kind of like, yeah, let's turn it off,
Speaker 2: all right, let's go watch something better.
Speaker 5: We gotta give it up to Bank.
Speaker 4: I feel like she's always benefited your life for the good.
Speaker 4: Oh go shoving vegetables in your gullet. She's getting you
Speaker 4: to to like live a healthier, better life. And now
Speaker 4: the first musical you didn't hate, and I'm I'm excited.
Speaker 4: I think, if anything, this only reaffirms my belief that
Speaker 4: every time I think I should be proud of you,
Speaker 4: my pride is actually for Bank.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, any credit of me in the last
Speaker 2: ten years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do want to watch Friendship you've been telling
Speaker 3: me about.
Speaker 1: I see clips of it. What's that? What's the actor's name?
Speaker 5: Hard to get through that fucking Oh you've seen it.
Speaker 4: I saw it in theaters and me and everybody in
Speaker 4: that fucking theater walked out and said the same thing,
Speaker 4: which was, like, what the fuck was that really?
Speaker 2: Three and a half? I gave that slightly love.
Speaker 4: I cannot, I cannot, and I love I love that show.
Speaker 4: I love Tim Robinson. I'm in. It's just so so dry,
Speaker 4: like it's really hard.
Speaker 5: There's a very few laugh jokes.
Speaker 1: Are you kidding?
Speaker 2: I was cracking up at one joke. Mike, very brief
Speaker 2: take it off very brief. The drug trip scene with
Speaker 2: the frog, that was the funniest ship. Okay, you put
Speaker 2: it back on, you put it back on. Killed.
Speaker 4: There's there's a couple I'm telling you, and there's there's
Speaker 4: simple ones too, like I got a full coffee here,
Speaker 4: Like there's funny things that happened that I'm like, that's funny.
Speaker 4: But generally I was just like, this guy is so sad.
Speaker 2: It is a weird one again. Three and a half
Speaker 2: isn't like glowing for me, but like, you know, it's
Speaker 2: I thought it was generally good and like for Mike
Speaker 2: specifically and his you know, big Tim Robinson fandom, I
Speaker 2: think it's very much.
Speaker 4: I am also a big Tim Robinson fan, and I
Speaker 4: will be curious what you think, because like I struggled,
Speaker 4: like I think, like towards the end of that film,
Speaker 4: I was like, why isn't this funnier? It's it is funny,
Speaker 4: it's just so hard to watch.
Speaker 1: I saw the scene the boxing scene with the soap
Speaker 1: in his.
Speaker 2: Mouth, boxing scene with the soap, and I don't remember that.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I just watched a bunch of clips yesterday. He's boxing
Speaker 3: with Paul Rudd. In their garage.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a deleted scene. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it's uncomfortable.
Speaker 5: They have the whole film is uncomfortable.
Speaker 4: There is like an extended scene of him playing drums
Speaker 4: during a party where I was like, just leave, just
Speaker 4: go home.
Speaker 1: What's the actor? What's the other actor?
Speaker 2: And not no Connor Mley.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I find him to be so fucking funny.
Speaker 3: He was in Palm Springs as well. Yeah, they when
Speaker 3: the earthquake happens.
Speaker 1: He's like, no, I should have never left a Great Lakes.
Speaker 2: He cracks me up quite a long. If your horny,
Speaker 2: I think you should leave schedule.
Speaker 3: He's talking about when he's talking about the Goonies and
Speaker 3: that clip that you sent me, He's like, I don't
Speaker 3: even think it would fly today.
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know what the word is, but
Speaker 1: he's pretty melted. Slot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I want to watch Friendship.
Speaker 1: I'll see if I can get through it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you should watch.
Speaker 5: You'll get through it.
Speaker 4: I'm just curious if you're going to be like this
Speaker 4: is laugh out loud funny from beginning to end, or
Speaker 4: if you're like I was uncomfortable because it was a
Speaker 4: sketch that was two hours long.
Speaker 3: Mary, you'd like Theater Camp. If you haven't seen it,
Speaker 3: you don't have to be a theater kid. It's it's
Speaker 3: a mockumentary with what's her name?
Speaker 1: She played the and the Bear. She was like the
Speaker 1: love interest in season two. She's in Theater.
Speaker 3: Camp to three years old. Jimmy Tatreau is in it,
Speaker 3: the bro guy from Real Bros. Of Simi Valley or
Speaker 3: whatever it's called. He oh, the the main dude in
Speaker 3: American Vandal, that mockumentary they did a few years ago.
Speaker 1: Theater Camp's really funny.
Speaker 3: I like it quite a bit, but yeah, I really
Speaker 3: want to see twenty eight years later.
Speaker 1: Now that I know it's streaming, I might watch that
Speaker 1: this weekend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had to pay for it, but again my
Speaker 4: justification is like I didn't want to leave the house,
Speaker 4: but I wanted to see like a new movie, if
Speaker 4: that makes sense. And like usually when after it's not
Speaker 4: in theaters, if you wait a long enough time, it'll
Speaker 4: just be on like HBO or Netflix, like one of
Speaker 4: those major dudes will buy it and then you can
Speaker 4: watch it for free, quote unquote, because you're paying the subscription,
Speaker 4: but you're not paying for the film. I spent twenty
Speaker 4: dollars renting this movie because it just came out on streaming,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I don't want to wait for
Speaker 4: it to be on Netflix, but I don't want to
Speaker 4: go to the theater.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's never long anymore, like Sinners. I remember I
Speaker 2: saw that, like felt like a few weeks after it
Speaker 2: came out in theaters.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: And it's and it's on age too, Sinners.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to watch it.
Speaker 4: Sinners is worth seeing. It's worth paying for if you
Speaker 4: don't have HBO. It's it's quite good.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Speaking of go now for entertainment and musicals, I'm finally
Speaker 3: going to see David Byrne for the.
Speaker 1: First time ever.
Speaker 2: Big Pants, No, I wish, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's Who Is the Sky Tour. So did you see
Speaker 3: American Utopia? No, that's on HBO.
Speaker 1: Do you like Talking Heads much?
Speaker 3: I mean normal amounts and I like them. I think
Speaker 3: they're good. I just yeah, American Utopia is really good.
Speaker 3: It was on Broadway. It actually overlapped with me being
Speaker 3: here back on the East Coast for like a year.
Speaker 3: I just never went. But he's bringing some musicians back
Speaker 3: from that for Who Is the sky. We're going to
Speaker 3: see them him at a radio city.
Speaker 1: I can't wait.
Speaker 3: Nice, but yeah, you guys want to talk about video games?
Speaker 4: Sure, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Yep, and Mike, I feel like you just betrayed everything
Speaker 2: I know about you by saying you like musicals.
Speaker 3: I don't like seek out musicals. I just really like Hamilton.
Speaker 3: What other ones do I like?
Speaker 5: I don't like Hamilton, but I'm not falling on that sword.
Speaker 5: That's crazy saying that.
Speaker 1: You don't like it? Why didn't you speak up? And
Speaker 1: you just left Dan in the lord I'm connor out.
Speaker 2: When we come back, I bring it in, brig it in, Joe,
Speaker 2: Jake Jake started thirty seconds ago. No Jake started when
Speaker 2: when I told Mike, HEU trade me, don't let her
Speaker 2: get out the That is coward ship. Mary, Yeah, what
Speaker 2: that is coward ship? Say it with your full chest,
Speaker 2: saying it to the microphone.
Speaker 3: I agree, What the suck? You just sent Dan out
Speaker 3: of the door. Why you're sitting comfy in thet me
Speaker 3: out here.
Speaker 2: In the fucking desert.
Speaker 1: It was just you're right, that's hilarious. You just let him.
Speaker 3: Fucking Larry's sending you printing at the Germans while she
Speaker 3: suit back in the trench, like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: Oh boy, you both betrayed me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, delicious.
Speaker 4: I felt like you were doing a good job. I
Speaker 4: didn't think there was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't just leave him out, you like jumped
Speaker 3: on him.
Speaker 2: You're afraid of Hamilton fans? Mary there, do you know
Speaker 2: what people were talking about?
Speaker 4: They're intense people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, have you seen me? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Hamilton people are are really into Hamilton, and I don't
Speaker 4: want that heat. So I was just gonna say, I
Speaker 4: don't know if you've noticed, but I didn't support or
Speaker 4: defend Hamilton.
Speaker 5: I just said that's why I'm.
Speaker 2: I'm glad the folks are hearing the truth though.
Speaker 4: All right, So the truth is this is not video
Speaker 4: game talk that I think it's important.
Speaker 5: I think Hamilton is fine.
Speaker 4: I think it's fine. I don't understand why it's such
Speaker 4: a big deal. And I was seeing these tickets that
Speaker 4: were like five hundred dollars just to watch people rap
Speaker 4: that I don't think is exceptionally good either. What I'll
Speaker 4: say that, if anything, we're just we're all like pretty
Speaker 4: not educated, probably enough to speak on this, maybe, Mike,
Speaker 4: but like, why because you like musicals?
Speaker 1: I like why I don't all of us.
Speaker 4: I don't like musicals very much either, but I do
Speaker 4: like some musicals. I have respect for the genre, unlike
Speaker 4: you and I. Just when I was watching it, there
Speaker 4: was a couple of the ones of the songs where
Speaker 4: people were like doing them in karaoke, and I was like,
Speaker 4: give me a break singing Hamilton at karaoke, Like there's
Speaker 4: no other good song that you can sing at karaoke.
Speaker 4: And that was the truth that I didn't say, which
Speaker 4: is like, I I don't think the one shot song
Speaker 4: is that good.
Speaker 2: That's Eminem the mom spaghetti.
Speaker 1: Wait what one shot song? Not giving it?
Speaker 2: I lose yourself?
Speaker 1: Shut up?
Speaker 2: He's from Detroit, Mike.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get ting to come for meot That's not
Speaker 4: my favorite song.
Speaker 3: Dear at Theodosia when with Aaron Burr. First of all,
Speaker 3: what's what's his fucking Who plays Aaron Burr?
Speaker 1: Oh my god? He won the Tony for it.
Speaker 4: You know it's people leslie R.
Speaker 3: His his voice is like he the best singers I've
Speaker 3: ever They're all very talented.
Speaker 4: We're not questioning the talent of the backtrack.
Speaker 2: Don't be pussy, no, no, no, no, At no point did
Speaker 2: I say these people aren't in fact respect When I left,
Speaker 2: that was what I did.
Speaker 4: We're keeping what you said a bit. Everybody here is
Speaker 4: going to be unpopular when everyone we stand as a moron.
Speaker 4: Mike is a dick, and I don't like Hamilton, but
Speaker 4: everyone needs to know I'm out.
Speaker 2: And proud about being a moron. Mary is trying to
Speaker 2: hide it.
Speaker 3: We need someone more educated than to come on and
Speaker 3: talk about Hamilton.
Speaker 2: I just won Manuel, and he's also a big wrestling
Speaker 2: in my life. Watch Wrestling with Manuel Brandon.
Speaker 4: I have a lot of respect for Lynn Manuel. I
Speaker 4: literally listen to an interview with whatever correctly. I listened to.
Speaker 5: An interview with him this morning.
Speaker 1: What Linman lynmn Rando Star Wars character scene.
Speaker 5: Dan was like, not.
Speaker 4: Everybody needs to like seing the things that are happening
Speaker 4: in their life. There's this like scene of Hamilton where
Speaker 4: he's like trying to leave and his wife is like
Speaker 4: come back to bed, and he's like.
Speaker 5: No, I can't.
Speaker 1: I have to go out.
Speaker 4: I'll be back before you wake up, and she's like, no,
Speaker 4: come back to bed and he's like no, but I'll
Speaker 4: be back before you wake up. And I'm like, just
Speaker 4: say these things.
Speaker 2: I'm going to bed.
Speaker 7: Isn't he going off to war? In that scene to
Speaker 7: your brother? If there's one person.
Speaker 1: I'm coming to.
Speaker 5: And you're like, come back to.
Speaker 2: Bed, he did, like come by marines with me.
Speaker 3: If only we could play our marines without it. Imagine
Speaker 3: if fucking they made him a groomer musical, they could
Speaker 3: do the sex.
Speaker 2: The groom musical would be good. Absolutely, I'm going to.
Speaker 1: Feel you up. Wow wow wow wow.
Speaker 4: There is one musical scene in it where he goes,
Speaker 4: are you gonna make your music?
Speaker 5: And she goes it can wait?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, that's diagetic. It makes sense for Vicky.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 4: See, we still got it. And I like musicals.
Speaker 5: See I like that.
Speaker 1: Let's do.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do. We won't tell me when it's gonna be,
Speaker 2: but one episode of Fire Skive in the future will.
Speaker 1: Be the musical episode where we have to sing everything.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, that'd be so annoying.
Speaker 2: It would be the worst podcast episode of all time.
Speaker 3: It would be funny, though, if we actually committed to
Speaker 3: it for two and a half hours.
Speaker 4: So annoyed, I would be so annoyed.
Speaker 1: That would be tiring ash.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems unnecessary to sing all of your thoughts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but again like they originally did that because they
Speaker 3: had to find ways to communicate inner thoughts.
Speaker 1: They had like a background chorus, their mass.
Speaker 4: Their craft. You suck at writing music as far as
Speaker 4: I'm aware, Are you to me?
Speaker 1: Or Dan?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Dan? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I don't have a musical boat in my body? What
Speaker 2: are you like you?
Speaker 1: We're going for the growing.
Speaker 2: Career.
Speaker 4: It's going to suck, not because musical suck, but because
Speaker 4: we can't make good musical.
Speaker 2: Good No, I would.
Speaker 3: I stand by my craft if I make wine it sucks,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna say it sucks. No, I absolutely would.
Speaker 3: So we all beat Claibs. Yeah, have we decided whether
Speaker 3: we want to talk? Yeah, so we're gonna are we
Speaker 3: kind of spoiling did though?
Speaker 1: We're going to do.
Speaker 4: We're gonna do. We're going to do the end of
Speaker 4: Clare Obscure. And so if you do not want to
Speaker 4: hear the end and spoilers of Claire Obscure, you should
Speaker 4: move forward in time.
Speaker 2: I think we're going to make a point untillake to time.
Speaker 4: We will put time so you don't don't get spoiled,
Speaker 4: and I'm giving you lots of heads.
Speaker 1: Up now if you're listening.
Speaker 3: It's in the episode description as well, because I know
Speaker 3: time SAMs are different on different platforms.
Speaker 4: But we've all finished it, we've.
Speaker 1: All got spoiler.
Speaker 3: We'll put spoiler time stamps in the episode description if
Speaker 3: you're listening to this and have not beat Claire obscure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, also came out in like April. What are you
Speaker 2: waiting for?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I.
Speaker 5: Have it was pretty good?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, Dan, you asked before we were recording.
Speaker 3: Once I started to potentially, I will say I said
Speaker 3: that when I saw where they were going with the ending,
Speaker 3: I stopped liking it as much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you told me because I was at a
Speaker 2: certain point and you were like, oh yeah, where you were, Dan,
Speaker 2: I was probably like a nine, and then what happened
Speaker 2: in the next two or three hours probably brought me
Speaker 2: down to like an eight. So I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I was completely wrong with where they were going.
Speaker 5: Act where are you at when you went down just trying?
Speaker 3: It was basically when you start to see that like
Speaker 3: it's a family thing and you're in this created world
Speaker 3: by So I'm going to butcher details because've forgotten some
Speaker 3: of the names. But like, basically you find out that
Speaker 3: the Paris you start in was a creation.
Speaker 1: Real world viller version. Lemier was a.
Speaker 3: Creation of the mother in the real world who is
Speaker 3: trying to keep who is broken from the death of
Speaker 3: her son son.
Speaker 2: And what I didn't realize is the like, is there
Speaker 2: Loomier in the real world or does she live in
Speaker 2: like actual Paris and Lumier is like this distortion of.
Speaker 1: It could be it could be like either way. It
Speaker 1: could be her.
Speaker 2: Because there was that like surreal Effle tower and stuff.
Speaker 2: So I didn't know if it.
Speaker 3: Was like, so Paris is the city of Light, LEMI
Speaker 3: I believe means light or has something to with light.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'll look that up.
Speaker 4: I think it's in another surreal world because they have
Speaker 4: all the powers and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but there's obviously elements of Paris and real world
Speaker 4: places in there, so maybe maybe they visited, uh you know,
Speaker 4: Pattie before. But anyway, the point is is you're right,
Speaker 4: it was the paintress was the mother. She is so
Speaker 4: upset about her son that she painted a world and
Speaker 4: essentially like put herself in it and kept everybody alive,
Speaker 4: but her power was waning.
Speaker 1: Along with versions of her son and daughter in that world.
Speaker 2: Versus Verso andle well By myle that wasn't her name
Speaker 2: in the real world, but yeah, and.
Speaker 1: All the dreams she was having were of her real self.
Speaker 2: Yes, facial she was burned.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They talked about how much the GOV looks like Robert Pattinson.
Speaker 3: The dad looks like Pierce.
Speaker 2: Bros's very like modern day Piers bro.
Speaker 3: How did they get away with that? That's a whole
Speaker 3: other thing. I'm sure there's reddit threat some point.
Speaker 4: When you're that hot and symmetrical. It could just be any.
Speaker 3: The dumbest joke that was a naked gun joke. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that was funny.
Speaker 1: I hate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I really like basically it came down
Speaker 3: to the matrix. Are you going to take the red
Speaker 3: pillar the blue pill? Are you going to keep Lumier alive?
Speaker 3: And basically it comes down to whether you think that
Speaker 3: that imagine it or like created world is as valuable
Speaker 3: as quote unquote the real world, and also like or
Speaker 3: do you want to destroy it? And potentially so okay,
Speaker 3: I should say the Dad is also trying to destroy
Speaker 3: it because he's basically worried about or he he just
Speaker 3: his wife is has gone insane and has made this world,
Speaker 3: so he wants to destroy it. I guess in the
Speaker 3: hopes that it will bring her back.
Speaker 4: He wants to pull them all out, and I think.
Speaker 3: He thinks reality is more important than the escape in
Speaker 3: the art.
Speaker 2: I think he thinks that she, like the family, needs
Speaker 2: to get over it and move on basically, and he's
Speaker 2: trying to just kind of end this, you know. Uh, God,
Speaker 2: sorry for the term ca fabe, but this ca fabe
Speaker 2: world and kind of wants everyone to just kind of
Speaker 2: like process everything.
Speaker 1: And what did you guys choose?
Speaker 2: I chose Okay, so if I had understood everything correctly
Speaker 2: the first time, I probably would have chosen the one
Speaker 2: where it's like go to the real world, uh and
Speaker 2: get rid.
Speaker 5: Of the explain it what you chose?
Speaker 2: I chose the one where my l stays in the
Speaker 2: fantasy world because I was under the impression that the
Speaker 2: real world was like way more fucked up than it was.
Speaker 2: I thought like the mom was just like dying. The
Speaker 2: house was burnt down for some reason. I thought it
Speaker 2: was like all is lost, And then when I saw
Speaker 2: I watched the other ending and I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't realize they just like, yeah, they went through
Speaker 2: some real shit, but it's mostly like emotional stuff and
Speaker 2: some some scarring and stuff like that. But like I
Speaker 2: think I thought it was like the fucking apocalypse in
Speaker 2: the real world, and I was like, no, let her,
Speaker 2: let her enjoy this.
Speaker 5: What did you think about your ending?
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting. I thought the way they
Speaker 2: brought Verso, I mean, I don't think it was a
Speaker 2: good ending in terms of like it wasn't good for
Speaker 2: myel I don't guess either of aod no, no, there's
Speaker 2: it's a bittersweet no matter how you take it. The
Speaker 2: idea of like Verso coming out and like being forced
Speaker 2: to kind of like haha, I'm playing this song and
Speaker 2: everything's fine, and like meanwhile, he's just kind of being
Speaker 2: forced to exist when he should not. Like, I think
Speaker 2: that's a really interesting idea. Like they're both very interesting,
Speaker 2: Like what what what a good decision at the end,
Speaker 2: because neither of them is black or white, good or
Speaker 2: bad or anything, and they both have like incredible implications.
Speaker 3: And yeah, it's actually asking you something larger than the game.
Speaker 3: It's like, do you think I chose to stay with Lemier.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you stayed in the fantasy.
Speaker 3: Yes, because in my mind it was like, well, whether
Speaker 3: these characters are quote unquote real or not, whether this
Speaker 3: is the truth in this context, they're the characters I've
Speaker 3: gotten attached to by playing the game. So is it
Speaker 3: any less real than the real world they're talking about?
Speaker 1: So I kept it alive? What did you do?
Speaker 4: Mary? I? I chose the real world because Verso said
Speaker 4: to me multiple times I don't want to be here, yeah,
Speaker 4: and I don't want to sing anymore and you're making
Speaker 4: me and I don't want to live this life anymore.
Speaker 4: And I thought to myself, like I was always against
Speaker 4: my dad telling me what to do and felt really
Speaker 4: strongly that like I wanted to support my al and
Speaker 4: what she wanted. It wasn't until Verso said that he
Speaker 4: didn't want to be alive, which I think is a
Speaker 4: very gutting realization.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to be around anymore.
Speaker 5: He wants to die, he has asked to die.
Speaker 4: And I think, like this is the part that's very real,
Speaker 4: Like you're these are like really real world implications all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, where I'm like, I love my family.
Speaker 4: But if my family member was like I don't want
Speaker 4: to be here no more, I would support them even
Speaker 4: if it hurt me. And that's why I chose the
Speaker 4: real world, because I was like, I don't want to
Speaker 4: make you sing for me if you don't want to
Speaker 4: be around anymore, and I.
Speaker 5: And I chose it. It's also very solemn.
Speaker 4: I mean, everyone's morning, there's a grave where your son is.
Speaker 4: You say goodbye to all of the characters I like
Speaker 4: got choked up saying goodbye to all the characters that
Speaker 4: I like. Well, I liked them all and I loved
Speaker 4: I just I felt so bad for the the Oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, I'm forgetting all their names. But the girl
Speaker 4: like Luna was so she was mad in the in
Speaker 4: the scene when you if you choose reality, she doesn't
Speaker 4: say goodbye, like she doesn't like hug you or anything.
Speaker 4: She's mad because you chose to kill her. And so
Speaker 4: by choosing Verso's ability to have his own death, I
Speaker 4: was inadvertently killing a lot of people that I loved,
Speaker 4: and that was that was really hard for me to accept.
Speaker 4: But I I still believe that I am satisfied with
Speaker 4: my ending because I felt generally speaking that I understood
Speaker 4: that they needed to heal and deal with the morning
Speaker 4: process and the grief and move forward as a family
Speaker 4: as opposed to being in the painting, even though I
Speaker 4: prefer the joy.
Speaker 1: Of the painting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my initial thinking was that, like, oh, Mael obviously
Speaker 2: went through like unbelievable trauma, and you know, whatever respite
Speaker 2: she can get from that through this fantasy world, this fiction,
Speaker 2: like you allow her to have this piece, And like,
Speaker 2: I think when I made that decision, I did not
Speaker 2: consider the implications of like, oh, well, these are like
Speaker 2: sentient characters basically that exist in this fiction, and what
Speaker 2: does that mean for them?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: And so it's like it was so interesting watching the
Speaker 2: other one and being like, oh fuck, I didn't think
Speaker 2: about that aspect of this, you know, and it's God,
Speaker 2: what a good ending, what a just tremendous game.
Speaker 4: And they say they're copies as well, So in this
Speaker 4: new world that Mayel has constructed, you're also again making copies.
Speaker 4: It's not the same people that we were with during
Speaker 4: our journey. Obviously, it's like very similar, but it's not
Speaker 4: the exact same. They explained that early on, when that
Speaker 4: tiny dude that has like he looks like an upside
Speaker 4: down broom. He's got that hair. He dies and they're like,
Speaker 4: can we bring them back? And the guy goes yes,
Speaker 4: and they go, I can, but only a version dog.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: I mean is that not like it's like, oh, it's great,
Speaker 2: it looks like it has the same but like, there's
Speaker 2: so many things that you can't like replicate.
Speaker 5: Maybe I feel like we're talking about like humans.
Speaker 4: It'd be like if you died and we cloned you
Speaker 4: and put you on this podcast, that.
Speaker 2: Would be fascinating. You should do that even if.
Speaker 1: I don't die, Okay, I will Yeah for.
Speaker 2: A person to dance, Yeah, yeah, with one of you,
Speaker 2: we each get twenty five percent. And it's the joint Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, because that girl that has two heads in one.
Speaker 1: Body having a joint bank with your guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I'm getting half the podcast fuckers.
Speaker 3: From fire Escape with the millions that we make every year.
Speaker 4: The girl that has two heads in one body, she
Speaker 4: only gets paid once by her job.
Speaker 3: He's just immediately hypothetical scenario doesn't sound too bad now.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean.
Speaker 4: Yes, you bad before because I can't handle two annoying people.
Speaker 2: Podcast of All Time?
Speaker 3: Sign in next time. And there's gonna be six of
Speaker 3: me and be like, I'm onto you now I.
Speaker 2: Get as long as there's more me than you. That
Speaker 2: meets like at the bigger cut fuckerd that'd.
Speaker 3: Be such like a stupid Tim Robinson sketch. There's someone
Speaker 3: cloning himself so he can make more money on in
Speaker 3: his revenue. Yeah, funny, what if you clone? Yeah, but
Speaker 3: you're assuming your clone would go along with it. What
Speaker 3: if your clone decided to take all your money?
Speaker 2: What's that clone going to do?
Speaker 1: He'd be greedy, hear you. He would be thinking of
Speaker 1: podcast that.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, what if we clone ourselves and they
Speaker 3: started competing with us like a ba A Bizarrow fire
Speaker 3: Escape of Evil.
Speaker 2: Fire escape no copyright strike out of them.
Speaker 5: Water copyright strike you because they're the same, I would.
Speaker 2: Say, they're AI and so yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: What if Dan got cloned and every single thing and
Speaker 3: desire and need and detail was the same, except his
Speaker 3: clone was super weirdly into musicals, like all he talked
Speaker 3: about was musicals.
Speaker 2: Well, then he can do his own podcasts over there,
Speaker 2: and then we're not.
Speaker 3: Comparat to Disney movies and he lost.
Speaker 1: He's got the yearly thing to the Disney Club or whatever,
Speaker 1: and he's.
Speaker 4: More popular and beloved than you.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 2: Good for him. I wish everyone's success.
Speaker 4: I wish everyone's success, But.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Claips, you're probably my front runner for Game of
Speaker 3: the Year right now.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be up there. For me.
Speaker 2: It is like there's there's a battle going on up
Speaker 2: the top of my list right now, and.
Speaker 4: I, oh, there's a couple. There's a couple. But I
Speaker 4: do think it's very well executed. It did win me
Speaker 4: over in the end, I will say, like I also
Speaker 4: towards the end, because I'm just not a big JRPG person,
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, there's a lot of hours, and
Speaker 4: there were times where I was like getting there where
Speaker 4: I was ready.
Speaker 2: But I kind of saw it as a breezy one
Speaker 2: in terms of like turnbased RBG.
Speaker 4: They can be like, can't those be like seventy eighty hours?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I mean that's more the norm than what
Speaker 2: clear obscurity is.
Speaker 4: I think it's reasonable, but I I'm just being honest,
Speaker 4: Like usually when I play a game around the twenty
Speaker 4: hour mark, I'm always like, what else is out there?
Speaker 3: I would love if a turn based game got game
Speaker 3: of the year for us.
Speaker 1: Not lobbying.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying you are what's big step for us.
Speaker 3: It will clearly be talked about a lot a game
Speaker 3: of the year.
Speaker 4: We have all agreed that as we're not going to
Speaker 4: grow and we are not going to be better people.
Speaker 3: So it was the seinfelding no hugging, no hugging, no learning,
Speaker 3: no learning.
Speaker 1: Yeah we learned, Yeah we.
Speaker 3: Learned, no hug Yeah we've hugged, yeah wed Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: I played Real World. Do you guys talk about last episode?
Speaker 1: I won't drone on. I like it a lot.
Speaker 3: I also have started listening to much more music from Italians.
Speaker 1: Do it better?
Speaker 2: Oh I I I've found a June from the soundtrack
Speaker 2: like her a lot.
Speaker 3: Yes that is She's good too, But uh yeah, I
Speaker 3: I like it quite a bit, very relaxing. Yes, I
Speaker 3: like the structure of it. I think it works as
Speaker 3: an open world game. I will say it was weird
Speaker 3: how I came across that. I came across that game because,
Speaker 3: uh is it Anna twenty four doesn't do video games
Speaker 3: right and had like they had ads on Instagram like
Speaker 3: in my stories, like I hadn't heard of it through
Speaker 3: the industry. I heard about it just surfing Instagram, which
Speaker 3: was funny. Like I was like, oh, this is how
Speaker 3: normal people come across video games sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thowt it like Steam next Fest, and
Speaker 2: I immediately was like, oh shit, okay, it's like bike
Speaker 2: biking arcade racing, almost like that Breath of the Wild type,
Speaker 2: you know, obviously much more condensed than Scope, but like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I loved it immediately.
Speaker 1: It's really good looking.
Speaker 3: I like the art style kind of reminds me of shit,
Speaker 3: what was that game two years ago that was also
Speaker 3: kind of like a zen Breath of the Wild in
Speaker 3: the desert. Yes, it reminded me of Sable in the
Speaker 3: vibes kind.
Speaker 4: Of sure, Yeah, I find this like easier to navigate
Speaker 4: than Sable or like most games of recent years were
Speaker 4: like this game had such a very simple presence. And
Speaker 4: I I played this because Dan you recommended it, and
Speaker 4: I also, uh, I got like a little bag with
Speaker 4: some goodies from the company, so I was looking it up.
Speaker 5: I know mess Hoff they do good stuff. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: so I think, where are my goodies? Uh they send
Speaker 5: us chocolates?
Speaker 1: Uh what the fuck?
Speaker 4: They were good?
Speaker 1: What? What the cock?
Speaker 4: I like the sing it sing it yeah, where the
Speaker 4: cock peenis? Where's my goodies?
Speaker 2: What the world to.
Speaker 1: Wheel World two? It's not on a bike this time.
Speaker 1: It's on a dial dough with wheels.
Speaker 4: You can basically there's like a human bike. You can
Speaker 4: exchange your bikes. So we don't have to explain the
Speaker 4: game because you did it last time, Dan, But I
Speaker 4: was just gonna say I finished the game. I thought
Speaker 4: it was excellent, And the only complaint I really have
Speaker 4: is that I think the second world, so when you
Speaker 4: do all the stuff, you're.
Speaker 5: In the stunning landscape.
Speaker 2: And it's so beautifun it looks like is.
Speaker 4: That what when you talked to me, did you think
Speaker 4: the game was done then?
Speaker 2: Because there's because it's like I knew it was going
Speaker 2: to be like a condensed game. I know you can
Speaker 2: beat in a few hours and stuff.
Speaker 5: You go to the moon, bud, you kick the moon.
Speaker 2: Wait wait, wait, wait, I got to the corporate place.
Speaker 4: Okay, is that the moon that you're talking credits?
Speaker 2: No, I haven't eaten it yet. Oh okay, not.
Speaker 4: Really a little bit. But like I think, literally in
Speaker 4: the beginning of the game, the fucking skull is like
Speaker 4: you gotta go to the moon or so I think
Speaker 4: there's like something alluding to it. But anyway, you kick, Yeah,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter. The point is is the first area
Speaker 4: is so beautiful, and I thought based on what you
Speaker 4: said to me, which was this game is like seven
Speaker 4: and nine hours, and I was like, that's perfect, that's
Speaker 4: exactly what I'm looking for. I spent like seven to
Speaker 4: nine hours getting through this first stunningly fall landscape, and
Speaker 4: then they were like, great, let's go, let's go to
Speaker 4: the next area. Don't correct me.
Speaker 1: I was adding flavor. We're not correct, just adding my
Speaker 1: fucking crepuscular.
Speaker 5: What is the equal of autumnal sewage?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: Wait, what season is sewers?
Speaker 1: Feces? Wait?
Speaker 3: What what season is sewers?
Speaker 1: You heard me?
Speaker 5: What season is sewer?
Speaker 1: Summer is probably the most Yeah, well, then.
Speaker 4: Area two is summer because it fucking looks like ship
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 5: It's not beautiful.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like dirty and it's green and it's.
Speaker 2: Dark and stuff swamps.
Speaker 4: And I don't understand what mess Off was thinking. I
Speaker 4: just have to say, for a game that's so peaceful
Speaker 4: and so beautiful and so whimsical, the second area is plot.
Speaker 4: It's not whimsical or beautiful to ride around, and it's
Speaker 4: actually kind of garish, like the sound effects nice of
Speaker 4: the machines smashing down on the ground to collect oil
Speaker 4: or garbage or rats or whatever they're doing.
Speaker 5: I just didn't understand.
Speaker 2: I guess I do understand like what they're going for
Speaker 2: narratively with that, Like it's not supposed to be it's
Speaker 2: supposed to be this corporate healthscape thing, you know, with
Speaker 2: that company, like ruining the land. But like, you know,
Speaker 2: I get what they're trying to do, but for what
Speaker 2: that first area sets up, it really does set up
Speaker 2: this like fun, breezy biking game, and it's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know if I needed the like narrative shift there,
Speaker 2: Like I could have just used, like, hey, add that
Speaker 2: you know, square mileage to to the cool first area.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I think that's part of why I didn't beat it,
Speaker 2: Like I still likely will because I like the game
Speaker 2: a lot, but you know, it's like I got the
Speaker 2: second world, didn't love it.
Speaker 1: It's not beautiful, Yeah it's not.
Speaker 2: And then it's like other games came out and stuff,
Speaker 2: and so it's like it's kind of dropped off the
Speaker 2: priority thing for me a little bit. But I still
Speaker 2: do like the game a lot. I just wish it
Speaker 2: was like the First World but three times bigger instead
Speaker 2: of you know, I.
Speaker 4: Agree, or maybe show that there's problems, but don't make
Speaker 4: the game hideous, right like, I think you can show
Speaker 4: that technology that is. The story is like corporations are
Speaker 4: taking over and there's like robots and a I think
Speaker 4: there's like a whole corporo conversation to be had about
Speaker 4: that game. But they also like made the second area
Speaker 4: not nearly as beautiful to play, and there's a third
Speaker 4: area just you know, I wonder where that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wait, is that the moon?
Speaker 5: It's not. That's the fourth here.
Speaker 2: There's another spoiler.
Speaker 1: Great, should we timestamp this as well? People haven't.
Speaker 2: They're going to come for me.
Speaker 4: There's a moon and wheel World.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's I don't think that's too bad.
Speaker 4: I don't come. I didn't care for Hamilton and there's
Speaker 4: a moon and.
Speaker 2: Wheel Wow, I'm off the hook.
Speaker 3: I didn't care for Hamilton and there's a moon and
Speaker 3: wheel World.
Speaker 1: Suck my dick. We need some new merch that just
Speaker 1: says that.
Speaker 3: A T shirt that says exactly that.
Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna get that made.
Speaker 2: Specific mouse pad.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not hard.
Speaker 3: We have associated I don't need you don't need to
Speaker 3: dare me. I've already committed to making it. Let me
Speaker 3: write that down. You guys keep talking.
Speaker 1: I care for is wheel World one word.
Speaker 2: If any I don't think we can see who buys what.
Speaker 2: If anyone buys this mouse pad, it will be the
Speaker 2: most unexplainable thing anyone has ever bought.
Speaker 1: Imagine someone getting it's like a Father's Day gift, like
Speaker 1: what the fuck.
Speaker 3: Mouse mouse pat or we get another like banana hamm
Speaker 3: I can put this on that.
Speaker 2: In like six months and now it's.
Speaker 3: It would be above my penis if it was a
Speaker 3: banana hammick, and I said, sucked my dick.
Speaker 1: Okay, sure my dick.
Speaker 2: Sure you've seen how the sausages made here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my sausages. Okay. I liked it.
Speaker 5: I think it's a good game.
Speaker 4: I think it's worth playing. And that's like my only criticism.
Speaker 4: I love the evolution of it, upgrading my bike, I
Speaker 4: love racing people. It's a great game. Is really the
Speaker 4: t ld R.
Speaker 2: I'll give it another criticism. I do think once you
Speaker 2: get all the legendary parts on the bike, which you
Speaker 2: get fairly early on. It is hard to want to
Speaker 2: switch to other ones because they have freaking stashed and
Speaker 2: they let you just like gain boost passively and like
Speaker 2: it stacks, so.
Speaker 1: We have all of it.
Speaker 4: You have to have, you have to once you have
Speaker 4: the complete set, there's no reason to upgrade your bike.
Speaker 4: I actually never upgraded my bike in a.
Speaker 2: Second, lef, And I like you you in a game
Speaker 2: like this, you want to be constantly leveling up and
Speaker 2: getting better and stuff like that, and so all of
Speaker 2: these let me boost, you know.
Speaker 5: So that's fair. You should never have gotten that sick
Speaker 5: bike until the second.
Speaker 2: The end of the second, or make it a gradual thing,
Speaker 2: stretch out across all. I guess there's four zones. Thanks
Speaker 2: for the spoiler, but yeah instead of just all in
Speaker 2: the front of which is the moon?
Speaker 1: Wow? Okay, what's the third one? Saturday?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 8: Sorry that you guys like listen to a gaming podcast
Speaker 8: and you heard about a game and what happens in
Speaker 8: the game. Oh you guys better like go move ahead
Speaker 8: sixty more seconds because I'm gonna talk about a game soon.
Speaker 2: Do you want to spoil what the third area is?
Speaker 2: Because I don't know either.
Speaker 9: You guys, don't if you don't want to hear about
Speaker 9: Undermine two Peak, Time Flies, Heartworm, uh DK, Bonanza or
Speaker 9: Ninja Gaiden rage Bound, don't listen to this podcast because
Speaker 9: we're gonna spoil all.
Speaker 2: Those No, we're not. We're of our audience.
Speaker 1: You are not. I don't harbor any resentment toward our
Speaker 1: audience at all.
Speaker 5: No, I like, I don't harbor any resentment at all.
Speaker 3: But also by this dumb mouse pad funny, I was
Speaker 3: not here last time. Mary's already known she doesn't want
Speaker 3: to talk about Donkey Kong more, but I have not
Speaker 3: talked to anybody about it, and I hear.
Speaker 4: It's really I didn't say that, you sung, I said,
Speaker 4: we got a fight before this podcast started.
Speaker 5: A fight and I said, I said.
Speaker 3: I was ve because I'm having a migraine literally as
Speaker 3: we're talking right now, and it's just my brain and
Speaker 3: half you're dick.
Speaker 5: You're like, there's something wrong.
Speaker 3: With every time I left my head is like lava
Speaker 3: Mary quip being funny.
Speaker 2: That's really rude.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't. I am.
Speaker 4: We're taking a lot of ship this episode.
Speaker 1: Yourself.
Speaker 2: I think I think you're the.
Speaker 3: Fucking held onto the Epstein fight. I shouldn't joke about that.
Speaker 3: My goodness, that got that got that Jake for real?
Speaker 1: For real.
Speaker 2: I don't think you mean it for real.
Speaker 1: I mean I actually the world to know who you
Speaker 1: really are.
Speaker 2: Turning against Mike.
Speaker 3: I'm just taking the heat off. This is a disaster.
Speaker 3: Is I've heard it's good. I haven't talked to anybody.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kicks ass, it's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's like a donkey kicks ass.
Speaker 5: Do you like?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Do you like?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 2: Mario Ottissey, I think.
Speaker 1: It's one of the best games the last ten years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, you know it's the same team and everything,
Speaker 2: and it's like I will not put it on that
Speaker 2: same level. It is not far though, I think, you know,
Speaker 2: Odyssey is probably like the best three D platformer of
Speaker 2: all time I could see. I would say this is
Speaker 2: closer to like maybe one of the Galaxy games, which
Speaker 2: is not something I would say lightly. You know, like
Speaker 2: those are also among the greatest platformers of all time,
Speaker 2: and the gimmick it's got is really good. Like I
Speaker 2: don't know if you've played any of it at all
Speaker 2: or seen much of it, but the idea of just
Speaker 2: I don't have a switch to oh God, just being
Speaker 2: able to burst through fucking anything in the environment for
Speaker 2: the most part, I mean the small exceptions, but like
Speaker 2: it's very satisfying. It's just having like a Donkey Kong
Speaker 2: with a skill tree. And the fact that they took
Speaker 2: this like one of the like Mount Rushmore biggest like
Speaker 2: you know, names and franchises in games history and and
Speaker 2: and made it modern, made it feel new in a
Speaker 2: very real way and didn't just lean on nostalgia or
Speaker 2: anything like it does the right amount of like, hey,
Speaker 2: here's the thing you recognize, or here's a song that
Speaker 2: we made a new version of, or here's these characters
Speaker 2: from the DKC series or whatever. Like it picks its
Speaker 2: spots very well, but it very much feels like a
Speaker 2: new experience and it's it's really great throughout. And a
Speaker 2: lot of people said this, and I didn't understand until
Speaker 2: I got there myself while I was in New York.
Speaker 2: But like it the last few hours really hammered home.
Speaker 2: Like you know, I was loving it before that, and
Speaker 2: when I talked about this last episode, I had not
Speaker 2: seen the last few hours. And it's like it does
Speaker 2: some really smart things gameplay wise, nos soldier wise, all
Speaker 2: that that really like. This is a spec game for sure,
Speaker 2: and I really like to play it the time too.
Speaker 2: Fun factor is about the shortest I've ever seen. You're
Speaker 2: having fun instantly when you start the game.
Speaker 1: So super dewey.
Speaker 2: Oh, among the deweiest games ever. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's only on switch to though correct.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I got to get one eventually anyway.
Speaker 2: And it's not going to go down in price if
Speaker 2: anything will go up.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, well cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's high on my list and I need to
Speaker 3: have played that before a Game of the year because
Speaker 3: I feel like it'll come up.
Speaker 2: It will be high on mine for sure. It is
Speaker 2: one of those that is jockeying for that top position.
Speaker 1: Mary, what else have you been playing? Time Flies a couple.
Speaker 4: I loved this game and I'm really excited to talk
Speaker 4: to you guys about it. This is a really short, sweet,
Speaker 4: indie ass indie game called time Flies. The premise is
Speaker 4: you are a fly and you have a bucket list
Speaker 4: of things you would like to do before you die,
Speaker 4: and the catches is that because you're a your life
Speaker 4: expectancy is seventy two seconds.
Speaker 1: Oh oh. The art style art style.
Speaker 4: Drawing extremely simple, so think like uh yeah, like pretty
Speaker 4: much like black and white or like really simple visuals.
Speaker 5: Right eight bit you're a dot.
Speaker 4: But here this is important to recognize people who are like, oh,
Speaker 4: it's like too simple. You might be spoiling it, so
Speaker 4: be careful looking because like, this game is explorative. The
Speaker 4: whole joy of this is how explorative it is. I'll
Speaker 4: give you an example in the very beginning of this game.
Speaker 4: I in like the first thirty seconds, this won't spoil
Speaker 4: too much. You will get up from your couch and
Speaker 4: you will fly, and you will go past a guitar
Speaker 4: and if you land on the strings, the guitar will
Speaker 4: let you play it, and then on your bucket list
Speaker 4: you will cross off learn how to play music, and
Speaker 4: that is like the crux of this game. However, so
Speaker 4: much through this game you will land on a fly
Speaker 4: trap and it'll eat you, or you will land on
Speaker 4: a faucet and you will die, and the game will
Speaker 4: just say you died, very reminiscent of like you know,
Speaker 4: any modern game died, and you start over. You play
Speaker 4: again from the same spot, and you just try new
Speaker 4: things until you get more things off your bucket list,
Speaker 4: and to complete the level, you have to do all
Speaker 4: the things in your bucket list in the same life,
Speaker 4: So not only have you have to uncover the puzzle,
Speaker 4: but then you have to do a time puzzle where
Speaker 4: you're like.
Speaker 5: I want to do the guitar first, then I want
Speaker 5: to do the hair.
Speaker 4: Then I want to find this, then I want to
Speaker 4: do the marble, then I got to do the globe,
Speaker 4: and you kind of like map it out in.
Speaker 2: Your head, so questioning can you does it show these
Speaker 2: bucket list items before you or is it like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's it's invisible and then you play the guitar and
Speaker 2: then it fills in. Like learn to play music.
Speaker 4: There is a piece of paper that you can check
Speaker 4: throughout the game so that you can always see what
Speaker 4: they are. But some of them are puns and some
Speaker 4: of them are play on word intentionally, so you might
Speaker 4: not realize what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Music doesn't necessarily say play a string on the guitar.
Speaker 2: It's just totally okay, I see, And uh.
Speaker 4: It's so hard to not spoil these because they're.
Speaker 2: Really well, I think I'll play this, like I like
Speaker 2: the what you're describing sounds Funwitch's a.
Speaker 1: Video on the one of the videos on the games
Speaker 1: Steam page.
Speaker 2: Are you gonna spoil the box?
Speaker 3: No, it's just is the game also really funny at
Speaker 3: some points. It is very funny and there's a thing
Speaker 3: like making me laugh that I'm with.
Speaker 4: It's a bit cheeky. I don't think it's like to
Speaker 4: adult or anything, but it has some slight nudity, but
Speaker 4: not a lot. But like there's some butts and stuff,
Speaker 4: and I think they like play with the human form.
Speaker 4: There's some fart jokes in it that I think you
Speaker 4: guys will think are very funny. There's also puzzles throughout it,
Speaker 4: so sometimes you'll just go into an area you'll be like,
Speaker 4: what is this all about? And you'll get a puzzle
Speaker 4: piece and you have to get all of the puzzle
Speaker 4: pieces to construct the puzzle, which I think is cute. Also,
Speaker 4: there's four different worlds, which I also don't think is
Speaker 4: a spoiler, so like Moon last the moon is the
Speaker 4: last one. Okay, if you do all of the little things,
Speaker 4: then you actually get to the credits. And I did
Speaker 4: all of it within two hours, guys, and I loved it.
Speaker 4: I loved every minute of it. I thought it was
Speaker 4: like the best Sunday afternoon game I've played in a
Speaker 4: Dog's Age. I just adored it.
Speaker 1: Did you ever play Minute? Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, is it anything like that where it's like, I
Speaker 2: do remember that being a similar thing where it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: I got to do a bunch of shit in like
Speaker 2: one run basically, and that kind of also had that
Speaker 2: very low fi, you know, art style it did.
Speaker 4: I think sometimes for me Minute was more like how
Speaker 4: do I navigate doing all this in the same life,
Speaker 4: whereas I feel like Time Flies is more whimsical and experimental.
Speaker 4: I found myself playing in this game a lot. I
Speaker 4: was doing things just to see if I could. And
Speaker 4: this game toys with you a lot. They'll be like
Speaker 4: things will be like, oh, this has got to be something,
Speaker 4: and then it'll kill you, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: And you won't get mad because like you just pop
Speaker 4: back up like it's not a big deal. The last
Speaker 4: thing that I found was interesting And I don't know
Speaker 4: what this game is really trying to say with this,
Speaker 4: but I should mention your life expectancy changes based on
Speaker 4: the country that you choose to play from, and the
Speaker 4: country is the average year expectancy of actual humans, but
Speaker 4: they put it into seconds. Yes, so if you want
Speaker 4: to play a little longer. You would be like, I'm
Speaker 4: from Japan, and if you want to play a little shorter,
Speaker 4: you would pick like a country where the life expension.
Speaker 1: Is really short.
Speaker 4: I don't know why they did that, but there's like
Speaker 4: there's like facts in it for like a month probably,
Speaker 4: But in this game, I swear like the longest the
Speaker 4: longest you can live is like I swear is like
Speaker 4: picking Sweden and it's like seventy six seconds or something
Speaker 4: like that. I ended up googling, where's what's the longest
Speaker 4: life expectancy? I forget that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious.
Speaker 4: I think it's somewhere in Norway, and and I picked
Speaker 4: that just so I could have the longest life expectancy.
Speaker 4: There's also differences in the game depending on the country
Speaker 4: you pick. I found this interesting. In one of the worlds,
Speaker 4: you're like in an art exhibit, and depending on what
Speaker 4: you pick, uh, the art will change. And so in
Speaker 4: one of them, I picked that I was from Korea,
Speaker 4: and the art said, you don't want to see this art,
Speaker 4: so we're not going to show it to you because
Speaker 4: it's like propaganda. Oh interesting, Yeah, I thought that was
Speaker 4: really long.
Speaker 1: Is the highest?
Speaker 4: That's not what I got.
Speaker 2: States, and Mary, I got bad news for you. You're
Speaker 2: not gonna last as long as me.
Speaker 1: You're Mike.
Speaker 2: Oh no, New York is number three, Minnesota is number four,
Speaker 2: in Organ's number twelve.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's got to be why. Why is New York.
Speaker 2: State?
Speaker 1: It's a big state.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because countries, not states. Monaco is the highest with
Speaker 4: eighty seven years. Other high life expectancies are Hong Hong
Speaker 4: Kong and Japan. Yeah yeah, and ours is not very
Speaker 4: super high.
Speaker 1: I'll go to Monico. Okay, I'll go to Hong Kong. Mary,
Speaker 1: you're going to Japan.
Speaker 2: Japan. I want to go to Japan now. I love
Speaker 2: Oh there, I like Japan.
Speaker 1: All nice places sound good. Yeah, Hey, this game sounds cool.
Speaker 3: It sounds almost like a twenty twenty one era time
Speaker 3: loop game like Forbidden City had similar figuring out the
Speaker 3: order to do things in and then.
Speaker 4: And the puzzles are are sweet and cute and they're
Speaker 4: not too complicated.
Speaker 5: I I can.
Speaker 4: Sometimes get frustrated with like complicated puzzly games if they're
Speaker 4: racking my brain too much. Every one of these I
Speaker 4: was like, oh, I get what you're doing. Like I
Speaker 4: figured everything out within a couple hours. It's so sweet
Speaker 4: and short. I just think it's adorable and I was
Speaker 4: really excited about it, so yeah, that wash time flies.
Speaker 3: Check it outes have you been playing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, give it to baby girl? What else you got
Speaker 1: playing on?
Speaker 4: I have a couple of other short ones.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna talk about this again.
Speaker 4: I already talked about Peak. I played Peak more.
Speaker 1: It's awesome good.
Speaker 4: They added the ability to eat people.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a cannibalism ad, which is so fucking funny
Speaker 4: because now even like you can basically like kill people
Speaker 4: intentionally so you can eat them, which I love. I
Speaker 4: played Undermine too. I think, Dan, did you recommend this
Speaker 4: to me as well?
Speaker 1: I think give you a code or something like that.
Speaker 5: I played Undermine too.
Speaker 4: This is I never played Undermine, so unfortunately, I'm like,
Speaker 4: not the perfect person to give.
Speaker 1: But it is.
Speaker 4: A rogue light where you like die. Once you die,
Speaker 4: you have to start all the way from the beginning,
Speaker 4: and you I haven't gotten too far in it. I
Speaker 4: think I have only gotten to the second area. It's
Speaker 4: freaking hard, which is one of my issues with it.
Speaker 4: But I do like the idea that you essentially kill stuff.
Speaker 4: There's lots of secrets in each area so that you
Speaker 4: can build your persona and you pray to gods that
Speaker 4: you can add different traits to yourself, like longer life,
Speaker 4: or maybe like you hit stronger, or you have more magic.
Speaker 4: And you come across different deities and you have to
Speaker 4: pick one of two special items that you get, which
Speaker 4: are randomized. Sometimes it's things like more luck, Sometimes it's
Speaker 4: things like pierce. Sometimes I don't know. Sometimes it's bad
Speaker 4: and like really not helpful at all, and I found
Speaker 4: that really strange. But anyway, I'm still kind of getting
Speaker 4: through it a little bit. I think I need more
Speaker 4: time with it. I've probably only put like seven hours.
Speaker 5: Into it, but I.
Speaker 4: Think it has potential. I like the fact that you're
Speaker 4: like in all these areas. You also once you kill
Speaker 4: every you cannot leave the room. Once you kill everything
Speaker 4: that's important, and then once you do that, you can
Speaker 4: explore the room to mine it for gold, look for
Speaker 4: secrets in the walls. And there's always a boss fight
Speaker 4: I think at like the end of three rounds, and
Speaker 4: the boss fights are pretty intense. There's a moth boss
Speaker 4: for the first boss. It doesn't change out though it's
Speaker 4: the same boss each time. So it's a bit repetitive.
Speaker 2: Is this early access? I feel like, shit, it was, yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 4: We usually don't review games that are early access. I
Speaker 4: think I only did this because you sent it to me.
Speaker 4: It feels early access now that you say that, I.
Speaker 1: Actually it is. I'm looking at now, yeah.
Speaker 4: Because I think that in a game like this, because
Speaker 4: it's so repetitive Robe Light, you really have to exchange
Speaker 4: different bosses. That way, you're not playing the same boss
Speaker 4: fight over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: I bet you even games that I'm in sitting because
Speaker 2: I played a bit of Undermine one and liked it,
Speaker 2: but I typically don't play them in early access. I
Speaker 2: didn't do Hades To do Hades to.
Speaker 1: Really, I didn't do either.
Speaker 2: Rogue Legacy was when I tried, because I love the
Speaker 2: first Rogue Legacy so much, and two was just like, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is cool, and once I start getting into it,
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, hey, keep an eye on our roadmap.
Speaker 2: We'll do more. And I really don't like that feeling
Speaker 2: at all. So it's like, I feel like, if I
Speaker 2: have any interest in the game, I always just kind
Speaker 2: of wait till the one point zero, and I wonder
Speaker 2: if it's a similar situation.
Speaker 1: Play Rogue Legacy two again episodes ago.
Speaker 4: We did talk about it a few episodes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, No, we've we've definitely talked about early access games,
Speaker 3: but maybe not like in development early access it's just
Speaker 3: not something.
Speaker 5: We usually make a habit out of.
Speaker 4: And I think like Haites two is a really good
Speaker 4: example of that, because everyone was talking about it and
Speaker 4: we were like, you know, I'd just rather wait until
Speaker 4: it comes out?
Speaker 1: Yeah, does I have a release date?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 2: This is not this year? Is it is that this year?
Speaker 3: May?
Speaker 1: No? Okay, like that.
Speaker 2: Was like even last year, like John Bombs Game of
Speaker 2: the Year. People were raving about it and it sounded awesome. Honestly,
Speaker 2: everything people were saying like made me really want to
Speaker 2: play it. But it's like I will be thankful that,
Speaker 2: Like I'm never hurting for things to play, I will
Speaker 2: be thankful that I wait until it's done.
Speaker 3: When does Hades to one Point oh come out?
Speaker 1: Release?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: September? Okay? No?
Speaker 2: Wait, no, there's no way.
Speaker 1: It's not PC games end who I don't trust ever? Sorry?
Speaker 1: That is it's early twenty twenty six or end of
Speaker 1: this year.
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like we'd probably hear something this.
Speaker 3: Year two months ago just subreddit. There's the last major update.
Speaker 3: It was out, so it's close, I guess, and I
Speaker 3: guess you could play it now.
Speaker 2: I'll play it soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I still have not played Peak.
Speaker 2: It's awesome.
Speaker 1: It's great.
Speaker 2: It's just it's one of those games. It's like a
Speaker 2: million different games that it's just like, boy, it would
Speaker 2: be awesome to get a bunch of people together and
Speaker 2: play this. But like Mary, I think you're good at this.
Speaker 2: Like you, you tend to get groups together and play
Speaker 2: and play things frequently, and I do like.
Speaker 5: To poke friends with it.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 4: We actually been calling it friends slop. I don't know
Speaker 4: if anyone like I've seen people say about that genre before,
Speaker 4: but friendslop is like the idea that like, maybe on
Speaker 4: your own it probably wouldn't be that amazing, but you
Speaker 4: get four people together and fuck around all night and
Speaker 4: it doesn't it doesn't matter if you do good.
Speaker 5: It's like irrelevant if you win.
Speaker 4: The point is is that you're fucking around with your
Speaker 4: friends and like drinking and having a good time together.
Speaker 4: It's just something to domp.
Speaker 2: So rare that I'm able to do that, like usually
Speaker 2: it's with like Giant Bomb, Like, Hey, during the day,
Speaker 2: this is what we do. So it's like you know,
Speaker 2: repo things like that. Yeah, but yeah, it's just like
Speaker 2: at night. I just it seems like it be hard,
Speaker 2: Like I just never play multiplayer games, you know, like
Speaker 2: it seems like it be a hard thing to put together.
Speaker 2: You know, I think we're very busy. A lot of
Speaker 2: we're busy. If a work, It's just like, I don't
Speaker 2: they would be hard to get a group together where
Speaker 2: everybody could do it, you know. Yeah, they're fun. I
Speaker 2: love that stuff.
Speaker 1: Are there any other games?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's people. Uh, Dan you were, Oh yeah, don't worry,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm the host now, Dan, Ninja Gayden, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Ninja Kaid. Rage Bound is really cool. It's yeah, Mike,
Speaker 2: you're back.
Speaker 1: You're back in distract them. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm a fan of the old NES series and I'm
Speaker 2: a fan of the Three d Ones. And this is
Speaker 2: definitely obviously hearkening back to more like it's weird, it's
Speaker 2: tarketing back to Dannys and that it's a side scrolling
Speaker 2: action game, but the look of it is way more.
Speaker 2: It kind of looks like a pixel art Saturn two
Speaker 2: D game, it's incredible pixel art. It's the people that
Speaker 2: made Blasphemous. So, like I thought Blasphemous was a cool game.
Speaker 2: I loved the art and everything, but I just like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, the from Style thing isn't always my
Speaker 2: favorite deal and that was kind of that like From Style,
Speaker 2: but in two D this is just kind of a
Speaker 2: throwback and it's more like a Messenger type you know
Speaker 2: in Ninja side.
Speaker 4: Scrolling the Messenger. Is it actually like the Messenger?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Really, Like I don't think you need to have any
Speaker 2: nostalgia for Ninja guid In at all to like it
Speaker 2: because it's like the stuff it does is like you know,
Speaker 2: in the Messenger you could do that kind of like
Speaker 2: Perry jump off of like almost that cup Heead style like.
Speaker 5: Jumps in hed The Messenger was the time Ship.
Speaker 2: Well the big shift, like the big twist thing like
Speaker 2: this does not do that. But again, wow, you want to.
Speaker 1: Talk about it Shindler's list. While you're at it, you
Speaker 1: talk about who Darth Vader is.
Speaker 2: No, it's it is fairly straightforward. It is like tough
Speaker 2: platforming action ninja stuff and then really tough cool boss fights.
Speaker 2: It's very much the like get your ass kick the
Speaker 2: first time, learn a little bit more of the second time,
Speaker 2: come back and be to the third or fourth time.
Speaker 2: On the Bosses, you are like the ninja guy Kinji
Speaker 2: in body, but there's also the spirit of this Komori,
Speaker 2: this like ninja girl that like they have different abilities
Speaker 2: and their parts were like you're utilizing both. It's like,
Speaker 2: you know it's a ha and a ka if you've
Speaker 2: played des Stranding, but it plays off that stuff really cool.
Speaker 1: Cause also like Egyptian philosophy.
Speaker 3: I think it's Kajima, but yeah, it's uh he's just
Speaker 3: co opting these ancient beliefs.
Speaker 1: That's so funny.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: But no, Mary, I think if you like The Messenger,
Speaker 2: I think you you could definitely find some stuff to like.
Speaker 1: Harry. It is.
Speaker 2: The difficulty is just perfectly balanced. I think where it's
Speaker 2: just hard enough to where I'm kind of struggling, but
Speaker 2: when you win, it feels like you won something. It's
Speaker 2: just a beautiful game. Great soundtrack does Ninja Guide and Proud,
Speaker 2: it's a good Ninja Guiden near you know, as someone
Speaker 2: who likes that series. Getting new TD one, new two
Speaker 2: D one here, getting a new three D one with
Speaker 2: with four coming out, and I got a Ninja Gaiden
Speaker 2: two Black remake of so like man for a series
Speaker 2: that has kind of come and gone at weird intervals,
Speaker 2: it's this is a big year of Ninja Guidance, so
Speaker 2: I'm a fan.
Speaker 5: Okay, that's cool.
Speaker 4: I really did love The Messenger, but I never played
Speaker 4: Ninja Guiden, so like, it's not it's not for me.
Speaker 4: For like the nostalgia, it would have to be like
Speaker 4: a good game on its own, independent of all that
Speaker 4: cool background stuff, child stuff.
Speaker 2: And again, if they didn't even have Ninja Guiden in
Speaker 2: the title, I would feel the exact same way about it,
Speaker 2: because again, it doesn't even really look like the old
Speaker 2: NAS games or play that much like them, So it's
Speaker 2: kind of not nostalgia at all.
Speaker 1: For me.
Speaker 2: It's just like, oh, here's like a new, good two
Speaker 2: D Ninja game. I think you would like it a lot.
Speaker 4: Okay, the last one for me, I'm gonna say briefly
Speaker 4: because I've only played five hours, so I'm still too
Speaker 4: early to like really say if this is good. But Mike,
Speaker 4: mikey uh. There is a new nineties survival horror called Heartworm.
Speaker 4: It is very much in the vein of Resident Evil one.
Speaker 4: What I think is cool so far about it is
Speaker 4: it lets you play uh with tank control or not
Speaker 4: an atlants, you play like with like really old PS
Speaker 4: one graphics or PS two graphics, Like you can kind
Speaker 4: of choose how old school you want this experience to be.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Like the pause menu is Reson Evil one.
Speaker 4: It is it is literally Resident Evil of like your
Speaker 4: Health the health.
Speaker 1: The health descriptions also are the same. Fine.
Speaker 4: I think you can have six items and it's brutal
Speaker 4: because like so many times I was like I desperately
Speaker 4: need this item, and I I didn't have any space.
Speaker 4: You have to like throw away items or like get
Speaker 4: you have to get to a trunk to put your
Speaker 4: items away, and they're only you can only.
Speaker 5: Save in the save spaces.
Speaker 4: So very similar puzzles akin to Resident Evil there was
Speaker 4: like this one or or Silent Health, And I also
Speaker 4: think it has a lot of Silent Hills story to it,
Speaker 4: where she's just like I've always thought about death.
Speaker 5: She sounds like that girl from Edward Scissorhands.
Speaker 4: I've always been strange and un usual, and I always
Speaker 4: thought about dying. And so I'm going to go to
Speaker 4: this place and find out what death is really like.
Speaker 4: And so she's essentially deciding to go into this other
Speaker 4: universe intentionally because she wants to know what I don't
Speaker 4: know what's on the other side of life. And so
Speaker 4: you're in an underworld, which I think is more akin
Speaker 4: to Silent Hill, you know, like a like a dark world,
Speaker 4: and it has memories of her from her childhood and
Speaker 4: her life, but they're distorted and fucked up, and there's monsters.
Speaker 3: Now, Okay, it combines fixed camera with over the shoulder
Speaker 3: I'm reading in the description.
Speaker 1: How does that work.
Speaker 4: I think that it's mostly those styled camera shots that
Speaker 4: are still that make it look cinematic, which I like
Speaker 4: and I've always thought we're really cool.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the description on Steam says it combines over the
Speaker 3: shoulder and fixed camera.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, like when it.
Speaker 4: Goes all fix Campbell. I. I don't really remember over
Speaker 4: the shoulder yet, but I will say there was this
Speaker 4: one time where I go into an alleyway and the
Speaker 4: camera moves from like a bird's eye view as I'm
Speaker 4: running to like get closer to me, which I thought
Speaker 4: was really cool and cinematics, so it like moves around
Speaker 4: based on like what works for me, But most of
Speaker 4: the time I think it's still okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, another like remember Signalis several.
Speaker 4: Years Okay, this is my caveat. This is my caveat.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's as well put together as Signalis.
Speaker 4: I don't And I played Signalis and I loved it.
Speaker 4: I think this game is cool. I just don't think
Speaker 4: it's as scary. I don't think it has as many
Speaker 4: components as Signalis. But I still think it's interesting and
Speaker 4: and I like that they're they're trying to make like
Speaker 4: a nineties horror, So if you're into nineties horr, I
Speaker 4: think this could be worth checking out. But I think
Speaker 4: Signalis is like set a real high bar. I have
Speaker 4: to admit that.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool. Any other games.
Speaker 2: I'm at a game I will talk next one about
Speaker 2: the one? Well, I can say it is Meddle, your
Speaker 2: Snake Eater remake. I played through in New York, so
Speaker 2: have either review.
Speaker 1: I guess it's more for Dan. I don't think it
Speaker 1: would be your kind of game. Mary. Have you played
Speaker 1: Mafia the Old Country at all? Apparently it's good.
Speaker 2: I heard not the hottest stuff on it.
Speaker 1: Really, reviews I'm seeing are like Eights. Okay, I haven't
Speaker 1: touched it. I just I've always tried to like that series.
Speaker 3: But I like the idea that this is actually in
Speaker 3: Sicily and what nineteen hundred or something seems appealing, Cam,
Speaker 3: I check it out.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to have a dearth of games.
Speaker 3: I've been playing a very long game for work that
Speaker 3: I'll be able to talk about.
Speaker 1: I guess down the road, where's your dearth? Where's myth?
Speaker 2: Loser?
Speaker 4: Right here, he doesn't have a death of games.
Speaker 2: Actually shivered when I heard someone start singing just now, God.
Speaker 3: I think you're maybe you're afraid that maybe you're just
Speaker 3: afraid of how much you deep down actually love music.
Speaker 2: That's probably that's probably what's going on.
Speaker 4: Music lover only be able to appreciate things if they're
Speaker 4: sung to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's the second half of my life?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Just wait, it's coming.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: There's a joke in theater Camp where the like basically, Okay,
Speaker 3: so I do want you guys to watch this movie.
Speaker 1: It's it's funny. You don't have to be a theater kid.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious.
Speaker 3: It's basically Amy Sidaris the mom. She is the head
Speaker 3: of Adirondo Act. It's an acting camp in the Adirondecks.
Speaker 3: She has a seizure and goes into a coma. So
Speaker 3: her son Troy, who is Jimmy tetrou like biggest bro ever,
Speaker 3: has to go take over the camp and keep it afloat.
Speaker 3: And everybody hates him because he's a bro and it's
Speaker 3: a theater camp. And he's asking me he's just a
Speaker 3: dumb ass. And he's asking this dude, Glenn, who is
Speaker 3: the stage like a stage manager. He's like so, he's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: so this year's this year's play is a music, a
Speaker 3: straight play. He's like, wait, so what is this straight plays?
Speaker 3: I guess there's just no music. He's like, what would
Speaker 3: a gay play be? He's like, a musical. It's a
Speaker 3: very funny movie.
Speaker 5: That's pretty funny.
Speaker 3: Also, Caroline Aaron, Am I fucking that up? Caroline Aaron
Speaker 3: raspy voice, she's in it. She's really funny.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've pitched that movie enof you. Sh'd
Speaker 1: watch it if you?
Speaker 3: Uh, it's like an hour and a half comedy mockumentary.
Speaker 1: Anyway, do you want to talk about emails?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, technology, Yeah.
Speaker 1: This bit is fun. I do it all the time.
Speaker 3: Okay, as usual, you can write into fire Scape Past
Speaker 3: at gmail dot com for any questions or comments or
Speaker 3: concerns you want read on the show. We never read
Speaker 3: the concerns, but questions are fair game. Uh, that's fire
Speaker 3: Escape Past at gmail dot com.
Speaker 1: Mary.
Speaker 3: Actually, Mary, I'll no, yeah, Mary, do you want to
Speaker 3: read this first one? The first one's not a question,
Speaker 3: It is a shout out?
Speaker 4: Sure, Hello fire Casters. Oh I like that. Just I know,
Speaker 4: I feel like we earned that. Fire Caster. All right,
Speaker 4: Hello fire Caster. Just wanted to say how much I've
Speaker 4: enjoyed your podcast over the years, and I was hoping
Speaker 4: you could give a shout out to my wife as
Speaker 4: we will soon be on a road trip to go
Speaker 4: see Oasis in Chicago celebrating our thirtieth wedding anniversary. It
Speaker 4: is what a huge feat and seeing Oasis sounds amazed.
Speaker 4: I would love to see Oasis.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I know, Yeah, that'd be amazing. I grew
Speaker 3: up with them anyway, Sorry, there's more.
Speaker 4: When we go on trips, she often asks if we
Speaker 4: can listen to those goofy people on my podcast, the
Speaker 4: one with the guy who eats eggshells thinking they are
Speaker 4: egg whites. Actually my I've bought one of Dan's books
Speaker 4: after listening to him on one of our trips discussing
Speaker 4: his anxiety on the podcast. She used to be an
Speaker 4: avid gamer back in the day, excelling in games like
Speaker 4: Half Life, Unreal Tournament, Elemental, Gearbolt, Phantasmagoria, Mortal Kombat, among others.
Speaker 4: But these days it's Pegl, just Pegl, only Pegl.
Speaker 5: But I have the inspiration.
Speaker 1: Are ok, Darryl need to rescue Pegel?
Speaker 2: Nope?
Speaker 4: But I have been an avid gamer since the seventies
Speaker 4: and I still gain most of old consoles h and
Speaker 4: I have the current ones. I think I spent too
Speaker 4: much money and time on the hobby these days. AnyWho,
Speaker 4: I wanted to give my wife a good shout out
Speaker 4: for putting up with my gaming over the years and
Speaker 4: never really complaining about it.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Debbie. Happy anniversary.
Speaker 3: I love you, Darryl, Happy anniversary.
Speaker 5: That's a sweetest female.
Speaker 1: Almost as long as I've been alive thirty years.
Speaker 4: High bar for a good anniversary shout out, I mean
Speaker 4: good work. Yeah. First of all, I just want to say, Debbie,
Speaker 4: you have been gaming for so long and you have
Speaker 4: such a good history of gaming you have earned just
Speaker 4: being a retired PEGL gamer. You can just play Pegel
Speaker 4: now and recognize that that is what you love. And
Speaker 4: I think that's cool and so I hope you enjoy Pegel.
Speaker 4: If you like Pegel, I am going to recommend Peglin,
Speaker 4: which is Pegel. But you are also like a little
Speaker 4: goblin going on an adventure pegl goodness, so I think
Speaker 4: you would like that. But no pressure. Happy anniversary.
Speaker 1: Also, what are your thoughts on Hamilton? Thank you Darryl.
Speaker 3: Dan do you we did trim this one a bit.
Speaker 3: We got kind of straight to the question and Jeff,
Speaker 3: we just wanted to trim it for the intense for
Speaker 3: the purposes of this section. But Dan, if you want
Speaker 3: to read this second one from Jeff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hello fire Gang, longtime listener, multiple time right in.
Speaker 2: As you've grown older, how have you learned to cope
Speaker 2: with changing friend dynamics as people's lives change, careers, moving, marriage,
Speaker 2: et cetera, as well as learning to let go and
Speaker 2: move on when your relationship with someone changes so much
Speaker 2: that it can't be rekindled or is best left for
Speaker 2: a reconnection later in life. Thanks again for always making
Speaker 2: the workday go faster. Or my evening walks less lonely
Speaker 2: that is Jeff, Yeah, that's let's a get older. That's
Speaker 2: definitely a thing. It's like I feel like in college,
Speaker 2: especially like you know, everyone's socializing all the time. You
Speaker 2: all live in the same city, you know, you're all
Speaker 2: like living in the same dorm and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And I think post college is where that can drift
Speaker 2: apart in things. And I think about that fairly frequently
Speaker 2: because like I think I'm guilty of like if someone's
Speaker 2: not in my immediate vision cone you know, if it's
Speaker 2: not someone I work with every day or I live with,
Speaker 2: or or is in my city and you know I
Speaker 2: run into and hang out with frequently, I am the
Speaker 2: Pott guilty of. Yeah, exactly, Like I'm kind of guilty
Speaker 2: of like I'm not always the first one to reach
Speaker 2: out or keep up, you know, and it's never I
Speaker 2: do worry about that because like I don't want any
Speaker 2: of my friends to think that like I'm not reaching
Speaker 2: out because like I don't care anymore or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It's just like I so kind of have to live
Speaker 2: in the here and now, like maybe to a fault
Speaker 2: where it's like just moment to moment, and so that
Speaker 2: just means the people you know, you guys, Giant Bomb guys, Bonk,
Speaker 2: you know Ben, folks here in Minnesota, things like that.
Speaker 2: But it's like I have so many friends from all
Speaker 2: these places I've lived and jobs I've had and everything
Speaker 2: that like I'm probably not reaching out to it all
Speaker 2: and they probably are like, oh, I wonder if you're
Speaker 2: still friends with me or something, and like the answer
Speaker 2: is almost always yes. Like I have very few people
Speaker 2: that I like, am like I don't want to talk
Speaker 2: to that person, you know, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I hope most people now understand how
Speaker 3: tiring it can be to keep up with everybody. I
Speaker 3: feel like most of my friends. I don't have any
Speaker 3: friends that are dicks about it, like, hey, you don't
Speaker 3: really talk to me anymore.
Speaker 2: I've had some that are like, oh, I guess we're
Speaker 2: not friends, like or like I'll hear through a third
Speaker 2: party that like, oh, yeah, you know this person thinks
Speaker 2: that like, oh you know, Dan was in town. He
Speaker 2: didn't reach out. It's like, well yeah, but it's like
Speaker 2: a stressful thing for me. It's like, especially when I traveled,
Speaker 2: and it's like like I was in San Francisco and
Speaker 2: New York just recently, and I was there for two
Speaker 2: nights each time, and most of that time was with
Speaker 2: work stuff I had to do. And I did socialize
Speaker 2: in both instances, but certainly not with everyone at like
Speaker 2: what every city I go to, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: text everyone I know and try to figure out timing.
Speaker 2: It's just like, so I hope I get up in
Speaker 2: my head about that. In fact, the New York trip
Speaker 2: was really kind of stressed me out because it's like
Speaker 2: I know a lot of people in New York and
Speaker 2: I had very limited time and didn't know how much
Speaker 2: free time I'd be, like, I hope people don't think like,
Speaker 2: oh I saw Dan was in town. He didn't even
Speaker 2: reach out, And it's like it's never that like, oh
Speaker 2: I don't want to hang out with you.
Speaker 3: It's just that, like, I appreciate you reach out to me.
Speaker 3: I did, middle Finger. It's all your other friends he
Speaker 3: didn't reach out to. Absolutely, we didn't hang out.
Speaker 2: Though you are the one they was busy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm trying to I got apologies if
Speaker 3: this sounds I'm purposely trying to be vague because I'm
Speaker 3: respecting someone's privacy, Dan, I texted you about this.
Speaker 1: I have a friend.
Speaker 3: Who I like grew up with it was very close
Speaker 3: to until I was like went to college basically.
Speaker 1: Had a few hiccups with.
Speaker 3: His friend growing up in those eighteen years where I
Speaker 3: was like, oh, that was kind of a shitty thing,
Speaker 3: and you know, like we didn't hang out, but we
Speaker 3: were always like every time we hung out, it felt
Speaker 3: like we had never stopped. Basically recently got some very
Speaker 3: very bad news from them in no uncertain terms, like
Speaker 3: their health is like steeply declining where it's the point
Speaker 3: where I'm like, you know, getting ready to say goodbye,
Speaker 3: which is nuts. So that was weird because we have
Speaker 3: not kept in touch a lot in the intervening year
Speaker 3: since high school, so they kind of came back out
Speaker 3: of woodwork to tell me this news. So it's a
Speaker 3: very kind of complex relationship now, like in many ways
Speaker 3: because I'm trying to figure out I was like, oh, yeah, wow,
Speaker 3: it's not only a friend that I had kind of
Speaker 3: emotionally moved on from and didn't worry about keeping up with.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, now they're back in a very
Speaker 3: intense way, and you know, like I want to you know,
Speaker 3: talk to them and be there for them all the time.
Speaker 3: So it's like, I guess to answer the emails question,
Speaker 3: it's like, you don't fucking know what's going to happen
Speaker 3: in the future with like maybe people, people will come
Speaker 3: back in your life, and I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Of it, people will leave. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think we're I think if you feel bad about
Speaker 3: not keeping up with someone, that's probably a sign that
Speaker 3: you care about them a lot, and maybe you should
Speaker 3: try to. It can be tiring to keep up with people,
Speaker 3: but like, I don't know, I feel like it's a
Speaker 3: trust your gut thing. Like if it's if you are
Speaker 3: feeling guilty that you're not keeping up with a specific person,
Speaker 3: that's probably a sign that they mean a lot to you,
Speaker 3: and maybe you should every once in a while put
Speaker 3: some time aside to text them. If like you go
Speaker 3: to a city, like and said, It's like I went
Speaker 3: to San Francisco and I found out that like so
Speaker 3: and so was pissed I didn't hang out with them.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, I didn't even think of them
Speaker 3: when I went there. It's probably you know, they have
Speaker 3: a higher opinion of me than I do of them.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't. That doesn't keep me up
Speaker 1: at night, but yeah, I don't know. I like.
Speaker 3: I would also say video games are pretty good like that.
Speaker 3: I have certain friends I only catch up with through
Speaker 3: video games, Like they can be a good medium friendswap whatever.
Speaker 4: Stay in touch and thoughtful of each other without having
Speaker 4: to be like what it's all the ship in your
Speaker 4: life about? You know, like sometimes you just want to
Speaker 4: see someone and catch.
Speaker 1: Up and say hi, yeah, yeah, and and like yeah.
Speaker 3: And I would also say, like, you don't know what
Speaker 3: new hobbies you're going to pick up that are going
Speaker 3: to make you want to reach back out to someone.
Speaker 3: I have people that now that I'm into like musicals,
Speaker 3: I talk to a lot more now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and people you talk to less now that.
Speaker 4: They cut us off immediately.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be phased out of fire Escape.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna have to look at the legality a
Speaker 2: super majority vote here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, genuine question.
Speaker 3: I'm so curious, Like I feel like before this episode,
Speaker 3: if the audience had been pulled which one of us
Speaker 3: likes musicals, I highly doubt I would have gotten the
Speaker 3: most votes.
Speaker 2: It would have been it definitely would have been made
Speaker 2: so it would have had to be merry. Then I
Speaker 2: feel like it would have.
Speaker 1: Been merry, like that's what.
Speaker 5: You like musicals?
Speaker 1: If yeah, I think yeah.
Speaker 10: I think that's uh dislike or like sorry, Just so
Speaker 10: I understand if if people like before this episode were like, hey,
Speaker 10: one of the fire escape musicals.
Speaker 2: Look, there's no fucking chance anybody would vote me, so
Speaker 2: it's one out.
Speaker 4: I agree, But I think it's unfair to assume me
Speaker 4: because I don't think there's a lot of like preconceived
Speaker 4: notions that I would like musicals. In fact, I think
Speaker 4: there would be a lot of assumptions that I don't
Speaker 4: like musicals, and the only thing that you would make
Speaker 4: the connection of is like, oh like girl like like
Speaker 4: musical or something like that. But you're the whino. If anything,
Speaker 4: you're patured, you would like I do weird for people
Speaker 4: to assume it's me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was saying deduction, they would have gone with you.
Speaker 2: But but you are the high society fella. That's misogyny.
Speaker 1: Baby, you're a woman. I stopped.
Speaker 2: Was the one who refused to be in our Best
Speaker 2: Old Test episode last last time.
Speaker 1: So two women, I'm not.
Speaker 5: Going to show up for that ship i'mn eli.
Speaker 2: People totally would assume it was Mike Yeah, who lives
Speaker 2: in New York City and loves high society stuff. Yeah, weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we agree, we agree high society stuff. Oh my god, guys,
Speaker 3: I need to send you photos.
Speaker 2: Some literature dork whyo that lives in New York City
Speaker 2: and you.
Speaker 1: Don't think about you The next email is about literature.
Speaker 2: You said you put in there because you wanted to
Speaker 2: talk about literature.
Speaker 1: Don't literally You're right, You're right, You're right. It was
Speaker 1: not my most self aware comment.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm I'm I agree, But I need to send you
Speaker 3: photos of some of the most famous wine makers. They
Speaker 3: are like like dumpy farmers with like yeah, wearing like
Speaker 3: stone Cold Steve Austin shirts. Yeah, I'm not kidding. Yes,
Speaker 3: I'll send you photos. That's not always high society and wine.
Speaker 3: We did open a very big, funny model of wine
Speaker 3: last night. It was funny because it was bigger, was
Speaker 3: he saying, Renolds, and bigger.
Speaker 2: Than playing Yeah, is not your costume.
Speaker 5: You guys think so. But I hang out with poors
Speaker 5: all the time.
Speaker 1: I dumpster dive with beer drinking.
Speaker 2: I buy two hundred dollars invented stone cold shirts off
Speaker 2: eBay to seem cool and poor.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know we answer Jeff's question at all.
Speaker 1: I have a.
Speaker 4: Legit answer to this and it is a bit personal.
Speaker 4: But I think that the person that I will talk
Speaker 4: about will understand because we have been such We have
Speaker 4: such a cool story, which is when I moved to Portland,
Speaker 4: the people that I knew moved away almost within like
Speaker 4: two months, which was heartbreaking, and they didn't know anyone
Speaker 4: in Portland and I didn't have any buds here anymore,
Speaker 4: and that was really hard for me. And uh maybe
Speaker 4: through a mutual friend I am uh, I.
Speaker 5: Was introduced to Dina Nina Freeman.
Speaker 3: Uh oh yeah, I've interviewed at.
Speaker 4: A game studio. Nina is a game designer. She's also
Speaker 4: a Twitch streamer, but she's did you.
Speaker 1: Get her name wrong? Is that how far you've drifted
Speaker 1: Nina Freeman?
Speaker 5: Though I did not say.
Speaker 2: Dina Mary close, you said you said Dina Nina Freeman,
Speaker 2: and I was like, I wonder if that's her?
Speaker 4: Like Tage, I can't remember everybody's name all the time.
Speaker 2: Definitely said okay, that was a slip of the tongue.
Speaker 1: It's just so funny that you're talking about how you're
Speaker 1: so close.
Speaker 4: Nina, Nina start right now, captured, damn it.
Speaker 5: Nina is a game designer. She made Sybil, she made.
Speaker 1: Like gone Home, uh uh Home.
Speaker 4: Uh Tacoma and.
Speaker 1: How do you do It? She came on aftercon You're.
Speaker 4: Right, and we met in May, and so she makes
Speaker 4: these indie games and we met. We became really good friends,
Speaker 4: and we hung out all the time, and we actually
Speaker 4: became very close. And we played through a lot of
Speaker 4: the Silent Hill series together.
Speaker 1: And so silent Hill is a good name, not so silent.
Speaker 4: Hill, and we like talked through all of them.
Speaker 5: We played all of them, and we became very close.
Speaker 4: And then I think during the COVID times, her and
Speaker 4: her partner decided to move to the East Coast, where
Speaker 4: their family is from.
Speaker 5: It made more sense for them.
Speaker 4: That's where they wanted to be to like actually like
Speaker 4: buy a home and like raise a family, and I
Speaker 4: would it like that really sucks and it's really hard
Speaker 4: for me. We kind of kept in touch, and ultimately
Speaker 4: what ended up happening is is we just stopped talking
Speaker 4: to each other very often, like basically at all. We
Speaker 4: really don't catch up as much, and it's very rare,
Speaker 4: but I'd say like once or twice a year we
Speaker 4: will see each other online and be like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: I love you. And I still love her to this day,
Speaker 4: and I think very highly of her, and I know
Speaker 4: her name, and I appreciate her and her work and
Speaker 4: I adore her. But I don't speak to her on
Speaker 4: a weekly or monthly basis anymore. That's just not who
Speaker 4: I am. I usually am talking to the people who
Speaker 4: I'm literally hanging around with, and I've lost that touch.
Speaker 4: But she streams still and I lurk in her streams
Speaker 4: sometimes just so I can hear her voice. And I
Speaker 4: don't actually comment or like talk because I don't want
Speaker 4: to like catch up. I just like her, and so
Speaker 4: I just want to say, like, this is my opinion,
Speaker 4: but I'm not good at catching up with people that
Speaker 4: are no longer in my vicinity. There are people that
Speaker 4: I love in my life that I don't talk to anymore.
Speaker 4: But it's not because I don't like them, because they
Speaker 4: don't live where I live and I'm not going to
Speaker 4: go get lunch with them, and so I don't. I
Speaker 4: don't slack them, or I don't text them. I don't
Speaker 4: email them, I don't talk to them at all, but
Speaker 4: doesn't mean I don't love them. And so there may
Speaker 4: be people in your life that you want to reach
Speaker 4: back out to, and you can take Mike's events by
Speaker 4: advice and you can reach back out to them, and
Speaker 4: you can try. But if they don't text you back,
Speaker 4: my advice to you is it does not mean that
Speaker 4: they don't care about you and they don't love you.
Speaker 5: They might be focused on.
Speaker 4: What's ahead of them, and you should just enjoy the
Speaker 4: memories that you have with that person and care about
Speaker 4: them as much as you want to. I love people
Speaker 4: in my life, and I love people in my past,
Speaker 4: and Nina is someone who I spent really good quality
Speaker 4: times with in my past and I will love her
Speaker 4: forever even if I don't talk to her anymore.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very It sounds like Dina.
Speaker 3: Nina.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Showina.
Speaker 4: Dina and I are super close.
Speaker 1: Text her right now. I'd be like, hey, Dina, how
Speaker 1: you doing, dude?
Speaker 4: If she listens to this, she's gonna be like, you
Speaker 4: fucking idiot.
Speaker 5: I tried to say.
Speaker 4: Something, nigh.
Speaker 3: It's Nina Freeman.
Speaker 5: She made h She made a lot of indie games.
Speaker 5: Check them out on Steam.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Jef.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just like you know, I got my old friends.
Speaker 2: You know, Jim Turry, he's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love to like to catch up with Jim Turry
Speaker 2: and it's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, competent ship this episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jerry Shreyer, Yeah, yeah, good friend.
Speaker 1: Jerry Schreyer myself. Your good wine kind of wine?
Speaker 2: I got it from a bottle.
Speaker 5: I'd have to go downstairs and get it.
Speaker 3: You got the wine from a bottle? Yeah, that's often
Speaker 3: how it happens.
Speaker 2: Didn't ever tried wine from cans? Is that a thing
Speaker 2: that somebody tried to make?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Ok, good, there's a rose one that was going around.
Speaker 4: I was just in cans.
Speaker 3: I had a really fucking funny joke there. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you guys about I was walking. I was walking
Speaker 3: through my neighbors To judge of whether or not it's funny, Mike,
Speaker 3: I was walking through my neighborhood with uh, some friends,
Speaker 3: and a cop rode by on a bicycle and I
Speaker 3: said it. I was like, why the fuck do we
Speaker 3: need bicycle cops? And then there was like a two
Speaker 3: second beat, and then I said, and also, how did
Speaker 3: that bicycle become a cop.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, that's pretty good.
Speaker 5: I like it.
Speaker 4: It's not that shrimp fried rice energy, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 2: No, you tell me a Rice, go and give her,
Speaker 2: give her time.
Speaker 1: You tell me a shrimp rice. It's a good bit.
Speaker 4: You tell me a Rice.
Speaker 3: Barry gets up on stage and just fucks up the
Speaker 3: first joke and walks.
Speaker 2: No ever, Caesar again just walks into the ocean.
Speaker 4: Are you guys? You're wheel at the crowd serve.
Speaker 1: Here you jump in just pancake on the floor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you. Jeff in this podcast, all right.
Speaker 2: No, he would say that's his fucking book thing, because yeah,
Speaker 2: because he's not the highest society guy.
Speaker 3: You guys have read books before. Okay, I don't know
Speaker 3: you guys might remember this. Uh hey, fire Escape. I
Speaker 3: wrote Earli this year about my goal of listening to
Speaker 3: a thousand albums by December. Well, I hit my goal
Speaker 3: in May. A thousand albums in five months is crazy.
Speaker 2: An hour on average, probably, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you really would have had to have been
Speaker 3: moving on. Okay, Yeah, cool, I listened to the thousand
Speaker 3: albums of it December.
Speaker 1: I hit my goal in May.
Speaker 3: I listened to all your album recommendations, enjoyed every single
Speaker 3: one awesome, So he probably listened to Evil Friends by
Speaker 3: Porsch Cole Demand, one of my favorites. I've been working
Speaker 3: on a new goal, trying to set aside time to
Speaker 3: read every single day. Right now I'm reading The Brothers Karamazov,
Speaker 3: which would take me a long.
Speaker 1: Time to read.
Speaker 3: It's a really fucking good book, but once again, I
Speaker 3: need some res for what to read. Next to my
Speaker 3: question is what are some novel recommendations you have that
Speaker 3: are your favorites or that you find the most life changing.
Speaker 1: Nathan from New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: Uh, okay, so Mike probably has a much deeper well
Speaker 2: to come to draw from and probably marry it too. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'll give my dumb guy answers here. As far as
Speaker 2: like a novel I've read in recent years that I
Speaker 2: really liked, it's a little indie one called bram Stoker's Dracula.
Speaker 2: I read that I thought that was really good. Mike
Speaker 2: also recommended the couple to me that I really liked.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: There was a period where I was actually reading fairly
Speaker 2: frequently in New York. Mike a visit from the goon
Speaker 2: Squad that was one, and what was the Russia one
Speaker 2: from the Linda Laws.
Speaker 1: That's the one that inspired Last of Us.
Speaker 2: Good City through Russia or something.
Speaker 1: Something in the city.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the David Benioff from Game of Thrones wrote,
Speaker 3: it's really good.
Speaker 2: But I did enjoy that a lot like Mike you do.
Speaker 1: In the Last of Us part to ship. I'll look
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 2: I can't remember it, Mike, Like in that period where
Speaker 2: I was actually reading fairly regularly, you all of your
Speaker 2: recommendations really hit for me. Except for the one about
Speaker 2: the City of Thieves. Yeah, except for the one about
Speaker 2: the guy surfing, because it was just like fucking six
Speaker 2: hours of reading the guy describing waves.
Speaker 1: Oh that I fucking love.
Speaker 3: My wife's cousin is reading it now and we waxed
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: For me, that was your only miss. Everything else I
Speaker 2: ever recommended it was awesome. A couple other just real
Speaker 2: quick ones, gaming lighthearted uh uh, life story thing Mike
Speaker 2: Drucker good friend of mine, A good game note rematch
Speaker 2: he just put out. I was laughing out loud throughout
Speaker 2: the entire fucking book. It is tremendous just to collect
Speaker 2: like he's about my age, played like very similarly, so,
Speaker 2: very relatable, very just like, yeah, he worked in Nintendo
Speaker 2: Late Night comedy, like incredible career life. If you like wrestling,
Speaker 2: Max's autobiography is fantastic, John Moxley's is great. And then
Speaker 2: if you're into kind of like getting into like meditation
Speaker 2: and things like that and kind of learning a bit
Speaker 2: of a how to of that, the first kind of
Speaker 2: entry level one. I've read a ton of books on mindfulness,
Speaker 2: meditation stuff. Wherever you Go, There You Are by John
Speaker 2: Cabot Zen is a great entry level one into that.
Speaker 3: Hold on, yeah, the guy, the guy who wrote a
Speaker 3: book about Meditation's last name is Zen.
Speaker 1: It's z I n. Yeah. That's a very okay, gotcha.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but that's that's that's a good first name.
Speaker 1: Crentised. Yeah, no, yes, is really good.
Speaker 3: That's a quick read, too, fairly quick, Mary, you have any.
Speaker 4: I think my book tastes are probably not for this crowd.
Speaker 4: I read mostly fantasy smut so ill.
Speaker 1: That people I don't know seres and which is fucking
Speaker 1: yeah and sucking.
Speaker 4: So here's the thing, just to be clear, uh I
Speaker 4: my tastes generally because you know, I work a lot
Speaker 4: and I don't want to read something too serious. Usually
Speaker 4: when I read, I read deep fantasy that is very
Speaker 4: opposite from like the movies that I would watch. The
Speaker 4: movies that I like are generally horror. You guys know
Speaker 4: that I like to be scared when I watch film.
Speaker 4: When I read, I like to watch, like I like
Speaker 4: to read things that are like, Wow, there's fairies everywhere,
Speaker 4: and there's dragons, and this guy's super hot and we're
Speaker 4: gonna bang, and like that's escapism for me. It allows
Speaker 4: me to really get out of my head and stop
Speaker 4: thinking about work. I recommend a Court of Thorns and
Speaker 4: Roses by uh Sarah Moss and Fourth Wing, which is
Speaker 4: what I'm I think I'm on the third book now.
Speaker 4: I should have finished it by now, but I haven't. Sorry,
Speaker 4: And that is about dragons. So if you like dragons,
Speaker 4: Fourth Wing.
Speaker 1: Is that also smut with dragons.
Speaker 5: It is also smart.
Speaker 4: It's by Rebecca Yaros, And so like the idea of
Speaker 4: Fourth Wing is there's I mean, it's it's generally what
Speaker 4: you sound. It sounds like you get to pick you
Speaker 4: if you're smart enough and strong enough and you can survive,
Speaker 4: you get paired with a dragon. Then you like fight
Speaker 4: in wars and stuff, and it's like a girl who
Speaker 4: like is so she like gets paired with a dragon,
Speaker 4: but there's also a dude and he's like super hot
Speaker 4: and they bang.
Speaker 1: That's it nice?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I find it really cathartic, just in
Speaker 4: the sense where I certainly ain't thinking about work when
Speaker 4: they're like I'm writing this dragon, but I wish I
Speaker 4: was writing Tom and it's like cool, like you know,
Speaker 4: like that's exciting for me and like it just gets
Speaker 4: me out of my head one hundred percent and like
Speaker 4: so like that's my thing. But I don't think that's
Speaker 4: what normal, Like, I don't think that's what like a
Speaker 4: lot of people probably prefer to read. So I can
Speaker 4: understand that that's not everybody's cup of tea. I will say,
Speaker 4: I'm very curious what you think, Mike, but I just
Speaker 4: want to say I have a lot of anxiety.
Speaker 5: This weekend.
Speaker 4: I downloaded your audio book, Dan, and I listened to
Speaker 4: your entire I listened to your entire audiobook this weekend.
Speaker 1: Really did you narrate it? I?
Speaker 5: Yes, he did.
Speaker 2: They wanted they wanted the hire a bo actor to
Speaker 2: do it, and I thought it was really weird that
Speaker 2: like I can't imagine my words and my personal story
Speaker 2: being some actor. So like I talked them into me
Speaker 2: going in and recording the whole thing. I did not
Speaker 2: know you did that, Mary Is that did it this weekend.
Speaker 5: I did it Saturday. I was having a hard time
Speaker 5: getting out of my head.
Speaker 4: I I think it's I think it's I think it's
Speaker 4: helpful as especially as a beginner's guide of like reflecting
Speaker 4: and thinking. It's also nice because as practical examples you
Speaker 4: talk about like real examples of you being in school
Speaker 4: and being like, I need to not take this class.
Speaker 4: I'm too anxious. I don't want to speak in front
Speaker 4: of a class. I think that's, like some things that's
Speaker 4: very relatable and a lot of people can understand. And
Speaker 4: I also think it's endearing that, like, you know, for
Speaker 4: what you do for a living, which is obviously very
Speaker 4: much about putting yourself out there, it was obvious that
Speaker 4: you had severe anxiety about doing that originally, and so
Speaker 4: it's nice to see how you've You've taken a lot
Speaker 4: of baby steps to overcome it. So I thought that
Speaker 4: was really nice. So yeah, I thought it was lovely.
Speaker 4: I also think it's nice In your book, you use
Speaker 4: like very few large words. It's not a very complicated experience.
Speaker 4: I think you could read this to your children night
Speaker 4: before they go to bed. I think this is for
Speaker 4: any kid or adult that's like I just kind of
Speaker 4: want to talk about my anxiety. I think that is
Speaker 4: literally what this is. It's like, I will just tell
Speaker 4: you my story with anxiety, and it will help bring
Speaker 4: maybe some peace into your world that you're not alone
Speaker 4: like a lot of people having pretty much everybody, but
Speaker 4: like not a lot of people have clinical anxiety, and
Speaker 4: it's not weird.
Speaker 1: To talk about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and that is why I did it.
Speaker 2: It's just because, like I think that like if I
Speaker 2: had heard someone talk about this stuff back when I
Speaker 2: was first struggling with it, I would have been like,
Speaker 2: oh that feels better. No, I'm not like alone with
Speaker 2: this thing. But I also wanted to go to like
Speaker 2: lengths to be like, I'm not a doctor, and this
Speaker 2: is an approachable book from just a normal person. So
Speaker 2: that's great to hear. Thank you.
Speaker 5: I didn't know, Yeah it was, well, it was recommended
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 4: I wonder why I assume Spotify knew Spotify recommended it.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all right, I don't know if I've ever
Speaker 3: told you this joke. I think I said it to
Speaker 3: Jake about your book because I read it back in
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen something like that. I had a joke that
Speaker 3: maybe you'll find funny, uh.
Speaker 1: Or you'll be insulted.
Speaker 2: I'm either.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, it's a great book.
Speaker 3: But now I have an anxiety attack every time I
Speaker 3: watch Gangs in New York. Oh yeah, yeah, but it's
Speaker 3: a dumb joke.
Speaker 1: It's like the reverse. It triggers me now, it's.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, yeah, yeah, because you were in the first one. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I had a second one during Lord of the Rings
Speaker 2: Two Towers, I can't remember that was in the butt
Speaker 2: was in New York. Was the New Year's Eve one,
Speaker 2: and then like whenever Two Towers came out, that was
Speaker 2: the second one. And I was like, what's going on
Speaker 2: with me in movie theaters?
Speaker 5: You know, like that's in the book.
Speaker 4: But I don't think you just maybe I'm wrong, but
Speaker 4: I don't think you said the movie. I think you
Speaker 4: just said I was in the movie theater and I
Speaker 4: kept having panic attacks in movie theaters, which I.
Speaker 2: Sit in the bathroom, and I was like, I'm fucking dying.
Speaker 3: What is that New York was in the book was
Speaker 3: the first Year Two Towers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just think it's nice. I don't have severe
Speaker 4: panic attacks or like severe anxiety, and I don't think
Speaker 4: I have clinical anxiety, but just like regular people, I havingnxiety.
Speaker 4: I was struggling sleeping because I was like, think about work.
Speaker 4: We have a lot of pressure going on at work,
Speaker 4: and like I'm thinking about stuff that is past due
Speaker 4: and it's freaking me out. And like I I was
Speaker 4: just I was really unable to get out of my head,
Speaker 4: if that makes sense. I couldn't get out of my head.
Speaker 4: And there's only a few things that really really get
Speaker 4: me out of my head. And again, horror movies absolutely,
Speaker 4: because I'm like that person's gonna die. I can't think
Speaker 4: about work when that's happening. And often metal like loud
Speaker 4: music concerts, things like that that are like heavy will
Speaker 4: get me out of my head because it's I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's intense and people are like mashing and shit like that.
Speaker 4: That will get me out of my head. So I
Speaker 4: actually gravitate towards things that force me to get out
Speaker 4: of my anxiety.
Speaker 2: It's like century overload type things your brain doesn't get
Speaker 2: a chance to have a break to I mean, how could.
Speaker 4: You possibly and yeah, I mean I'm not being stabbed.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna tell you what horror movie just spoiled,
Speaker 3: but just to be any of them of them?
Speaker 5: Yeah, anyway, Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't get out of it.
Speaker 5: I listened to an anxiety booked help me.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, awesome to help.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit, I think I.
Speaker 2: Think it was so fine.
Speaker 1: With that helped me a little bit. That would be
Speaker 1: my fun.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 3: It was fine, and then there's mine under it. It's
Speaker 3: like I can't watch gangs in New York anymore.
Speaker 2: It is funny because like I've thought about, like because
Speaker 2: I wrote that ten years ago, and like I say
Speaker 2: in the book, that was like, anxiety is not a
Speaker 2: thing that it's a chronic thing. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be like, oh I'm never having that.
Speaker 5: You're not solving it. The point of it isn't to
Speaker 5: solve it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's the thing is like in that ten
Speaker 2: years I am still like literally today I was in
Speaker 2: therapy talking about my anxiety and stuff like that. And
Speaker 2: so it's like I do have another ten years of
Speaker 2: like growth and learning and things like that stupid would
Speaker 2: be the right. Anxiety is an ally to like just
Speaker 2: put like a number of.
Speaker 4: Still anxiety anxious, Yeah, anxiety.
Speaker 3: Anxiety is an ally too colon. I'm still anxious.
Speaker 2: A lot I could talk about.
Speaker 4: It's just like to bring it on, sequel, bring it
Speaker 4: on some more.
Speaker 2: Anxiety harder.
Speaker 4: It's still here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, anxiety, Yeah, yeah, I've got I will actually say
Speaker 3: I hate when people say no, I don't hate when
Speaker 3: people say you mentioned like, what are some books that
Speaker 3: were life changing? I will say my favorite book of
Speaker 3: all time that I actually gave me more appreciation for
Speaker 3: life and people like so it kind of changed my
Speaker 3: life is One hundred Years of Solitude by Gabriel Garcia Marquez.
Speaker 1: It is.
Speaker 3: I was reading it's it's a fairly long book and
Speaker 3: it's dense as hell. Well I remember reading that and
Speaker 3: like halfway through it not knowing exactly where he's going.
Speaker 3: And then the more and more you get through the
Speaker 3: book toward the end, I remember thinking, I don't understand
Speaker 3: how a human wrote this. This is like an alien
Speaker 3: that had been studying humanity from Afar for a thousand
Speaker 3: years finally wrote a book to distill what humans are
Speaker 3: like the book. The book is about the like I
Speaker 3: think something like eight generations of one family living in
Speaker 3: this village in South America, and so the book starts
Speaker 3: with like the patriarch and the matriarch and then goes
Speaker 3: all the way through to their great great great great
Speaker 3: great grandchildren. I will also say it's magical realism, so
Speaker 3: some weird shit happens that's presented as quotidian like normal.
Speaker 3: Most of my favorite authors are like magical realism, like
Speaker 3: Orge sorry, Jorge Luis bor Has, who's Argentine writer. I
Speaker 3: also love his stuff. He's only ever done short stories.
Speaker 3: But if you can get Labyrinths collection like same thing
Speaker 3: he's I would consider him a genius. But yeah, one
Speaker 3: hundred Years of Solitude is like I remember putting that
Speaker 3: book down and feeling like I was actually.
Speaker 1: Different.
Speaker 3: It sounds so fucking stupid, but and it sounds like
Speaker 3: hoity toity, but it's an incredible book, one of the
Speaker 3: most unreal. I think it's my favorite like work of art.
Speaker 3: It's incredible. I will also say anything by a Teleo
Speaker 3: Calvino in the same vein. He's an Italian magical realist
Speaker 3: writer invisible Cities, it's not so much a novel as
Speaker 3: it is, like he goes through these imaginary in imaginary
Speaker 3: city invisible cities. I don't know one of those two
Speaker 3: one of my favorite books. I can't remember the name.
Speaker 3: It's like Dina, he goes cities. Yeah, if on a
Speaker 3: winter's night of travel. Yeah, it's amazing. And then I
Speaker 3: will say less like it wasn't life changing, but just
Speaker 3: the way it's constructed is amazing. It's like kind of
Speaker 3: reading a video game A House of Leaves by Marxie
Speaker 3: Daniel Luski.
Speaker 2: I've owned that for like fifteen years, and I keep
Speaker 2: meaning to read it. I love these shit like it
Speaker 2: does fun gimmicky things you know, with like yeah, text
Speaker 2: and blank pages and stuff like that, it seems really cool.
Speaker 3: You should it's I will say, it's not as long
Speaker 3: as it looks, because in true, like God, that books
Speaker 3: so fucking cool. The back, like one hundred pages or something,
Speaker 3: is like the mass Effect codex, where if you really
Speaker 3: want to dive into the book, it's like, uh, it's
Speaker 3: not an index, it's it's like the research papers that
Speaker 3: one of the characters has been reading in the story.
Speaker 3: You can actually look at what he was reading and
Speaker 3: get into the lore of stuff. So again, it's kind
Speaker 3: of video gaming.
Speaker 2: But remember there were like clockwork, oarring e'er. I had
Speaker 2: a glossary where it's like, all, yeah, Deva means this
Speaker 2: and yeah.
Speaker 3: But House of Leaves for those who are familiar is
Speaker 3: it was one of the biggest inspirations for control from
Speaker 3: remedy entertainment. If you've seen people reading it in public,
Speaker 3: it's kind of infamous for people like rotating the book
Speaker 3: to read it and public on subways. But uh yeah,
Speaker 3: he it's it's also a horror book. I should warn people.
Speaker 3: It gets creepy and it's like, uh, what's the kind
Speaker 3: of horror. It's unsettling horror. He basically discovered hill. He
Speaker 3: discovered he moves into this house in Massachusetts, I want
Speaker 3: to say, and he's going through marriage problems. It's like
Speaker 3: the it's one of those things where the book is
Speaker 3: kind of a metaphor for his marriage.
Speaker 1: Following he discovers this.
Speaker 4: Did he get divorced after?
Speaker 1: Have you not read it? Mary? You would love it?
Speaker 3: Of all people, I would say this might you would
Speaker 3: love it. I think Lucy also loves that book too.
Speaker 1: It got big.
Speaker 3: It blew up again on social media after Alan Wake two,
Speaker 3: but like I read it before that, so I'm cooler
Speaker 3: than all those people.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he he.
Speaker 3: Finds a doorway on the end, like on an exterior
Speaker 3: wall of his house that has a like it's a
Speaker 3: closet that should not exist. He goes because it's it
Speaker 3: should technically lead out of the house.
Speaker 1: But there's like and the wardrobe. It doesn't lead somewhere else.
Speaker 3: It's just a little closet that should technically be jutting
Speaker 3: out from the house, but when he looks at it
Speaker 3: from the outside, it's just the wall of the house.
Speaker 3: And each time he goes through this door, it starts
Speaker 3: building this like impossible space underground below his house, and
Speaker 3: they go on expeditions into it, and sometimes it's like
Speaker 3: miles longer than it was before. But it's just like
Speaker 3: the sense of creeping dread in that book. It's not
Speaker 3: it's it's a I hope I'm probably selling it terribly.
Speaker 3: It's an amazing book, but like, if you're not up
Speaker 3: to be a bit creeped out, it's not a it's
Speaker 3: not the best book to read.
Speaker 1: Like at night, like a creepy book.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. I love it, but yeah, I'd say one
Speaker 3: hundred years slitude. I will also say one more.
Speaker 1: Brothers.
Speaker 3: Caramelzov is amazing, Like for I don't know Dan, you know,
Speaker 3: nor McDonald was very well read. He loved like Russian literature.
Speaker 3: I will say Russian literature is like between for as
Speaker 3: like high Falutin as it sounds. You read it and
Speaker 3: you're like, oh shit, I get why these are classics.
Speaker 3: These are hilarious, they're poignant, they're incredible stories like they're
Speaker 3: they're approachable as hell, still like they're long as hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard the moth joke. I get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like that, he's just.
Speaker 3: Emulating Malbakov and told Stoy with that and dol Stoevsky.
Speaker 3: But like Brothers, Scarmes is unreal, Nathan, So you're already
Speaker 3: on good track there. But I will also say All
Speaker 3: the Light We Cannot See by Anthony Door. He wrote
Speaker 3: the book Cloud at List that the movie is based on,
Speaker 3: which Cloud out Lists is actually back you right now, All
Speaker 3: the Light We Cannot See You You Towoul also like
Speaker 3: that book.
Speaker 1: It basically this.
Speaker 4: War is too real. I love it when it's like
Speaker 4: there's a demon and he's in the closet.
Speaker 1: Wait how do you know it's about war.
Speaker 5: Because anything important is usually about war.
Speaker 3: And I've heard there's All the Way we Cannot see
Speaker 3: is now a Netflix show that sucks, So I don't
Speaker 3: watch the show. The book is equal parts Indiana Jones
Speaker 3: meets like serious literature, which is what makes it great
Speaker 3: because it's basically it's during World War Two. They're at
Speaker 3: Mont Saint Michel. It's this, uh you can look it up.
Speaker 3: It's off the coast of Normandy. There's a causeway Mary,
Speaker 3: you were talking about twenty eight years later, but like
Speaker 3: during high tide, you the road narrows up.
Speaker 4: But maybe they read it and they were like, this
Speaker 4: would be a great zombie movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably about high Tide. But uh no, it's it's
Speaker 3: a a father who lives there with his blind daughter
Speaker 3: during the war, and so like it starts off and
Speaker 3: he's building like mini replicas of the city to like
Speaker 3: so she could feel it and he can kind of
Speaker 3: tell her what it's like. However, there's also a parallel
Speaker 3: plot about a Nazi like colonel lieutenant trying to track
Speaker 3: down these famous gems that went missing from the museum
Speaker 3: in Paris.
Speaker 1: So like it's equal part.
Speaker 3: It's Indiana Jones Adventure and there's Nazis and this really
Speaker 3: touching story about a father and daughter and it's just
Speaker 3: it's fairly long, but I went through, I think in
Speaker 3: a weekend. It's the most readable thing ever, really really good.
Speaker 3: And then the daughter befriends I think a Nazi soldier.
Speaker 3: If memory serves, it's really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One hundred years Solitude is like, is the is the
Speaker 3: book to read before you die?
Speaker 1: If anybody ever? That's my official answer for that. But anyway,
Speaker 1: thank you, Nathan. That's our episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I said, Firescape past at gmail dot com
Speaker 3: sending questions where you guys read like eight emails.
Speaker 1: Again when I was gone, it looked like based on
Speaker 1: the run of show, is that.
Speaker 5: Dan is like, I love reading four hundred emails.
Speaker 1: I love Are you doing it to get under my skin? No?
Speaker 2: Never, it's never been a bit. It's just like at all, No,
Speaker 2: I thought about me and I like answering emails. Pull
Speaker 2: a bunch in there. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Dan doesn't have an evil bone in his body. I didn't.
Speaker 4: I don't even think he questions other people in his life.
Speaker 4: He's just that obtuse.
Speaker 2: I don't know how to take a compliment to Really,
Speaker 2: I'm dizzy after that one.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. That comment was a work of literature.
Speaker 2: Just it was so thank you to wait, what is
Speaker 2: Jesus Christ?
Speaker 1: She's called me a dumb ass.
Speaker 2: I don't know where I am.
Speaker 3: That was the most Mary, you are the most vicious
Speaker 3: of all three of us. And it comes out of nowhere.
Speaker 3: And I've got you think I have gotten used to
Speaker 3: it after ten years now, I have not.
Speaker 1: It's anyway, he.
Speaker 2: Didn't have a.
Speaker 1: So much.
Speaker 2: He's a dip ship.
Speaker 1: What he's not?
Speaker 3: He's not evil, he's just a uh yikes, that's our episode.
Speaker 1: Try to move on.
Speaker 4: I multiple friends on this one.
Speaker 1: Yes, what do you have? What do you have going on?
Speaker 3: Aside from reconnecting with Dina Nina Hamilton Again.
Speaker 5: I'm not reconnecting with Nina. That was the whole point
Speaker 5: of that.
Speaker 4: I I am still streaming on Twitch every Monday. I
Speaker 4: am not listening to musicals. I don't have anything else
Speaker 4: that's going on in my life.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, I don't give a ship, Dan, What do
Speaker 1: you got going on?
Speaker 2: Giant bomb dot com that's the whole thing. Giant bomb
Speaker 2: dot com, slash Join support Independent Games Media we're killing
Speaker 2: it over there, and I'm about to make Jeff Grubb
Speaker 2: play Jurassic Park trespasser. If you don't know what that is,
Speaker 2: it's going to be a very special thing. So check
Speaker 2: out giant bomb dot com and then I'm Dan Reicherd
Speaker 2: on whatever.
Speaker 3: So cool, Mary, I'm kind of fucking annoyed you didn't
Speaker 3: mention that we're back with Resident Evil.
Speaker 5: We are back with Resident.
Speaker 1: Eleven months, Dan, do you know do you know the
Speaker 1: context of this?
Speaker 2: I saw that, like I saw people being like, holy shit,
Speaker 2: a new episode.
Speaker 3: They're like, I don't, I truly don't know how it
Speaker 3: got eleven months.
Speaker 1: So okay, it's funnier.
Speaker 3: Because before reback, we got nine tenths of the way
Speaker 3: through the game, like literally before the Krowsier knife fight,
Speaker 3: and then just didn't post an episode.
Speaker 1: For eleven months. I mean, I get it.
Speaker 2: It's a miracle sometimes that we get the three of
Speaker 2: us together for a few hours.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a.
Speaker 3: Comment there's like, yeah, there's like eleven months, y'all have
Speaker 3: not been that busy, And I want to respond to like,
Speaker 3: you just bought yourself another eleven months.
Speaker 1: I forgot.
Speaker 3: Comment.
Speaker 4: No, there's yeah, there's no excuse in the world. But
Speaker 4: we were busy and we did one.
Speaker 1: Mary had to come back to a game.
Speaker 3: It is arguably maybe the most difficult boss fight in
Speaker 3: that game that she had to then krowser crowser. In
Speaker 3: the remake, I would actually say, fucking Salazar is tough.
Speaker 2: Changed that one, right, I haven't played.
Speaker 3: They added the new arena. But then also, yeah, he
Speaker 3: like puts minds all over the floor. I would actually
Speaker 3: say it is not good.
Speaker 4: You said that when we played it, you were like,
Speaker 4: I don't care for this boss.
Speaker 3: By watching, I was like, it cemented I don't like it.
Speaker 3: That's a whole lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're back.
Speaker 3: I think the finale is probably the next episode. But yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that's not a paid thing. If that's just on
Speaker 3: our YouTube channel to go subscribe there so you know
Speaker 3: when the next one comes up, whether it's next week
Speaker 3: or next year. We'll finish revenue for a remake, and
Speaker 3: then we got to figure out what else because we
Speaker 3: want to play other stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're going to figure out the next one.
Speaker 3: Revelations two is one of the lost episodes, as is
Speaker 3: the what the Hell is the Jake campaign from Reznievil six. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we played all the other two. We played Chris's and Leon's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we were like, mad, there's four, isn't there?
Speaker 1: Four? Oh eight? Us you unlock when you're four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we haven't played rough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was fun playing through it because we thought
Speaker 3: you can share the misery.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: Five was the one that actually like did not talk
Speaker 3: for a few days after that episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's back.
Speaker 3: And then if you're listening to this, there's a new episode.
Speaker 3: We were a bit late because I was traveling. But
Speaker 3: Vine and I have a new Mike and Vinnie Save
Speaker 3: the World up on fire Escape that is paid. You
Speaker 3: have to be a video Tier member for that. And
Speaker 3: then we're also playing an evil campaign over on next
Speaker 3: Lander itself. If you're not a Patreon patron for next Lander,
Speaker 3: you should be.
Speaker 1: Those guys are.
Speaker 3: Great and we've been playing those two parallel campaigns and
Speaker 3: they're it's going even better than I had hoped for
Speaker 3: because the campaigns are so fucking different. Uh, to struggle
Speaker 3: in the fire Escape one. But I think we're turning
Speaker 3: the tide finally or in episode twelve or something. That's
Speaker 3: a very fun show. I like playing Warhammer with Vinny
Speaker 3: in the mornings over coffee. Yeah, we'll be back in
Speaker 3: two weeks. I'm gonna work on that mouse pad.
Speaker 1: Yeah wait, I gotta right.
Speaker 2: I mean you did say you're going to do it,
Speaker 2: so I think, yeah, that'll probably be.
Speaker 3: On fourth fourth Wall did reach out and say, uh,
Speaker 3: do you guys, we'd love to offer you like a
Speaker 3: free design. Just give us the prompt and we'll make
Speaker 3: it for you. I wonder if she would ask why
Speaker 3: I'm saying, hey, can you get us a mouse pad
Speaker 3: that says I didn't care for Hamilton and there's a
Speaker 3: moon and will world suck my dick?
Speaker 2: I think I trust you to make that make it.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I don't know if we want to
Speaker 3: ask fourth Wall because they reached out.
Speaker 5: I wanted to do like a like it's like a stitched,
Speaker 5: like a.
Speaker 2: Stitch like, yeah, made it, God bless us thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, God bless this mess type situation.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, I live laugh love sweet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll be back in two weeks the next episode
Speaker 3: Fire Skreet What episode is this like one hundred and
Speaker 3: thirteen something?
Speaker 2: Sure you could sell anything.
Speaker 1: I think I will go back.
Speaker 3: We'll be back with episode one hundred and thirty four
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks until then.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're missing something.
Speaker 4: Are we stay hot?
Speaker 3: Mary?
Speaker 1: Mary usually fucks up the merch.
Speaker 2: Stay wet, Yes, stay wet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yikes, that's a that would be a good mass
Speaker 1: pad too.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, make the while you're in the back the
Speaker 2: wet Yeah.
Speaker 4: Old, Then where's our emails?
Speaker 1: I want to be I want to be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to be cremated unless my wife agrees
Speaker 3: to put a shirt on my dead body at the
Speaker 3: open casket wake and the shirt just says stay wet.
Speaker 2: But no, Dick hanging out, no.
Speaker 3: Figure out how to make me e wrecked when I'm dead.
Speaker 2: They do the taxidy people can totally do that.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, no, no, no, no, no, I'm saying I need something.
Speaker 2: Meldehyde playing above your dead face.
Speaker 3: I want a fluffer at my funeral to make sure
Speaker 3: I stay hard when I'm dead.
Speaker 2: Church.
Speaker 4: That's how Dick's work dis work. Happy anniversary, Debbie and Darryl.
Speaker 5: We're so happy for you.
Speaker 3: Crazy yeah good way, not crazy.
Speaker 4: Not in a weird way, but in a supportive way.
Speaker 3: Debora, Daryl happy Universo, deb and I enjoy enjoy a
Speaker 3: sauce the band. I hope they sing wander Wang, we'll
Speaker 3: see you next episode.
Speaker 2: By Hamilton. People marries the enemy Shamblton.
Speaker 1: He's called Shamilton Hamilton. Hamilton is funny.
Speaker 2: That's what Mary said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna get You're gonna get fucking Hamilton hate
Speaker 3: some little theater, the little gonna get me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna sing insults that.
Speaker 5: She's a bit.
Speaker 1: Exactly how I go? Yeah, are we out? I already?
Speaker 2: Did you kept the stuffer?
Speaker 9: H h
Speaker 3: H