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<v Speaker 1>It's night Side with Dan Ray WBZ Constance new video.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I assume that many of you, maybe not everyone,

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<v Speaker 2>but many of you in our audience have heard about

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<v Speaker 2>this effort up on Plum Island, actually physically in Newbury

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<v Speaker 2>not Newburyport, but in Newbury, Massachusetts, which is a different community,

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<v Speaker 2>about a house that is called the Pink House. And

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<v Speaker 2>we have been in touch with a group called Support

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<v Speaker 2>the Pink House. If you've heard the story or read

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<v Speaker 2>about it and haven't focused on the details, while you're

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<v Speaker 2>in luck, because tonight we have the president of the

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<v Speaker 2>group Support the Pink House with us. Her name is

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<v Speaker 2>Rochelle Joseph and Rochelle welcome to Nightside. How are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh? Just great, Thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>You're very welcome. Now, Rochelle, let me just start off

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<v Speaker 2>with some basic questions. How long has this battle and

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<v Speaker 2>it's a battle to save the Pink House. How long

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<v Speaker 2>has this battle been going on? How many years?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, the effort certainly has been going on for We're

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<v Speaker 3>in our ninth year and we've been working with fish

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<v Speaker 3>and wildlife and municipal, state and federal elected officials.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, this this, this is not a simple story. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna we're gonna break it all down here. But

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<v Speaker 2>how long have you been involved in this? You're the

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<v Speaker 2>president of the group, so I'm assuming that you probably

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<v Speaker 2>were there at the beginning.

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<v Speaker 3>I was with uh uh, you know most of the

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<v Speaker 3>people on the board also and uh yeah, so we.

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<v Speaker 2>We what why is it? Why is it important to

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<v Speaker 2>save this property. We're going to describe the property. We'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to the history and all of that, but just

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<v Speaker 2>as a as a starting point in our converse station,

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<v Speaker 2>why is it important that this property, which is not

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<v Speaker 2>in good condition at this point? I think everyone acknowledges

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<v Speaker 2>those are different reasons. Why is it important that this

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<v Speaker 2>piece of this house, which has stood there now for

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<v Speaker 2>nearly one hundred years correct saved, be saved and not

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<v Speaker 2>torn down.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's a wonderful question and a really important one.

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<v Speaker 3>Besides that, it is a hasard matter of meaning and

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<v Speaker 3>generational memories for many, many people. I mean there's tens

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<v Speaker 3>of thousands of people who are supporting this across the

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<v Speaker 3>region and in the state and beyond. It's an economic

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<v Speaker 3>driver as well. It brings people to the area. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a tourist or visitor draw and people then stay shop,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, eat rent and all. And it's also an

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<v Speaker 3>artists muse. Many artists come out here, whether they're photographers, writers, painters,

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<v Speaker 3>and have been so inspired by it, similar to the

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<v Speaker 3>Motif number one, which is considered one of the most

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<v Speaker 3>photographs structures, you know, in the country.

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<v Speaker 2>I want you to know, I may be the only

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<v Speaker 2>person listening tonight, but I don't know what motif number

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<v Speaker 2>one is. And since you brought it up, why don't

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<v Speaker 2>you tell me?

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<v Speaker 3>I will be you know. Yeah, some of the things

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<v Speaker 3>that make you know, like the Citco sign, the Numble

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<v Speaker 3>Lighthouse in York, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Very very if you had said the Citco sign, Rochelle,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have known what you were talking about immediately. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So this.

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<v Speaker 3>Is filing in Rockport, right on the sea coast, and

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<v Speaker 3>it's charming and just something that is an identifier of

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<v Speaker 3>the area. And the Pink House with its unique silhouette,

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<v Speaker 3>and when you see that silhouette you know where you are.

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<v Speaker 3>It is. It is incredibly it's an identifier for this area.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, just the history of the Pink House. Let's let's

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<v Speaker 2>let's establish the history here. We're doing it sequentially so

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<v Speaker 2>people can follow along. Built in nineteen twenty four and

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<v Speaker 2>I read some article that it was called at one

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<v Speaker 2>point the spite House because it built for by a

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<v Speaker 2>man who had going through a divorce. And the tale

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<v Speaker 2>and I don't know that this has ever been neil

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<v Speaker 2>down but his wife, his ex wife, insisted that he

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<v Speaker 2>would build a perfect specification of the house that they

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<v Speaker 2>had lived in. How much truth is.

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<v Speaker 3>That to that? Well, you know, it's an urban legend.

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<v Speaker 3>We have had, you know, our our board, Sandy Tilton

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<v Speaker 3>and Allison Oldele who did deep dives into you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Sandy certainly worked for tell us about I'd like to.

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<v Speaker 2>Know more about I'd love to know more about Sandy Tilton.

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<v Speaker 3>Tell us about him. Uh, Well, Sandy and and Alison

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<v Speaker 3>Elison who's founded the group. Uh. You know, Sandy is

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<v Speaker 3>a nature photographer in the area, very very well known.

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<v Speaker 3>She she you know, has great family history here originally

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<v Speaker 3>from Ipswich, and she's just got her ear to the ground,

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<v Speaker 3>knows everyone and is very passionate about community and about

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<v Speaker 3>the region and about nature and is very invested in

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the refuge in the fish and wildlife as

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<v Speaker 3>we all are, and as well as in this house.

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<v Speaker 3>Is you know, has been something that she along with

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<v Speaker 3>the other five of us and several volunteers and many

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<v Speaker 3>Is there anyone else in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Group that you'd like to mention, because I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>get their names out and then we can we can

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<v Speaker 2>move on back to the house. Who else in the

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<v Speaker 2>group would you like to give it?

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<v Speaker 3>Not to give everyone such justice, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Really want to. I want to focus more on the cause.

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<v Speaker 2>But please, let's let's give as many names as you'd like.

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<v Speaker 3>Go right ahead, certainly. Well again, Alison Olvi is our founder.

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<v Speaker 3>She and and then there is Sandy Tilton, as I mentioned,

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<v Speaker 3>a board member, Jeff Ackley who's also a board member,

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<v Speaker 3>and Kelly Page. So they are the four of us,

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<v Speaker 3>and Kelly, you know, worked very hard on our preservation restriction,

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<v Speaker 3>and everybody pitches in and wears many, many hats.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's get is there someone else you'd like to mention?

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine, Okay, good, let's get back to the pink house,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think people want to focus on the that

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<v Speaker 2>aspect of the story. So I asked you and you

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<v Speaker 2>said it was sort.

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<v Speaker 3>Of a light house. Yeah, So let me tell you

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<v Speaker 3>that anybody who's interested can go on our website at www.

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<v Speaker 2>What I'm going to do, if it's okay with you,

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<v Speaker 2>I will give you plenty of chance to mention the website. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So what I'd like to do with your cooperation is

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<v Speaker 2>it like to focus on the story of the Pink

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<v Speaker 2>House so people who do not live near you understand

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<v Speaker 2>what we're going to be talking about. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to take a break. I'm just going to reorganize here

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to come back so that people can

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<v Speaker 2>understand why the Pink House has become so important to

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<v Speaker 2>the community and what efforts are being made to save

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<v Speaker 2>the Pink House against a lot of opposition from the

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<v Speaker 2>federal government. You've gotten some help from Governor Healey. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get into all of this.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, And I would like to address the Spite House

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<v Speaker 3>and that that is a complete urban legend that I

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<v Speaker 3>would that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was why that actually that actually, to be honest with you, Rochelle,

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<v Speaker 2>was why I asked you. And somehow we got a

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<v Speaker 2>little sidetracked on the membership of the board. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>glad that everybody has had an acknowledgment. And when we

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<v Speaker 2>get back from this commercial break, we'll go right to

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<v Speaker 2>the Pink House, and uh, and and and tell the

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<v Speaker 2>story of the Pink House, how it got to the

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<v Speaker 2>state of disrepair that is in today, and what is

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<v Speaker 2>being done to try to save it, and and and

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<v Speaker 2>the battle that is being fought, because that's the story

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<v Speaker 2>that I want my audience to know about. Okay, Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's what is the important element of our conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll take a break. We'll regroup and we'll be

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<v Speaker 2>back right after this break on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>night Side Studios. I'm w News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking with Rochelle Joseph. She is the head of

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<v Speaker 2>an organization called Support the Pink House. Some of you

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<v Speaker 2>have read about this in newspapers, so we're gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>back and Rochelle tells us that the origin of the

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<v Speaker 2>Pink House in nineteen twenty four is still in some dispute,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll leave that alone. This house was occupied, Rochelle,

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<v Speaker 2>from my reading of it, up until probably around twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 2>And at that point the last family who lived there

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<v Speaker 2>moved away, as I understand it, and they sold it.

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<v Speaker 2>Who was it sold to?

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty ten, it was sold to the United States

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<v Speaker 3>Fish and Wildlife Service, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's how they got involved in it. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>this home is on a parcel of land. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>in what we would consider a traditional neighborhood. But you

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned to me there's there's, there's, there are houses across

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<v Speaker 2>the road, and it runs by it's very close to

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<v Speaker 2>a major road when people are driving into Plumb Island.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it is a residential acre and it's right on

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<v Speaker 3>and in fact, it belonged to several parcels of acres.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's got a dozen or more homes across the

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<v Speaker 3>street and Bob Lobster, who is a great lobster place,

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<v Speaker 3>And there's a municipal are there's an airport actually that

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<v Speaker 3>is considered one of the oldest in the country right

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<v Speaker 3>next to it. So it's really not in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of the refuge.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough. The US Fish and Wildlife Services, I

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<v Speaker 2>understand that initially wanted to perhaps use it as a

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<v Speaker 2>headquarters or as a place where maybe people could stay.

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<v Speaker 2>But apparently they concluded that it had fallen into significant disrepair.

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<v Speaker 3>But but I'd like to speak to that, if I may,

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<v Speaker 3>I ask you what I'm going.

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<v Speaker 2>To do what I'm going to do. Actually, Rachelle, I

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<v Speaker 2>was beginning to formulate a question. So if you'll just

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<v Speaker 2>let me lead the dance here, I promise you you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get everything in As they started to mention

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<v Speaker 2>the Wildlife Service as again I'm reading from an article

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<v Speaker 2>in the Business Insider.

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<v Speaker 3>From yeah, which is not very accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm very much in favor of accuracy as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I'm trying to do is ask questions, as

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned to you today, to which I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to be responsive. I'm not here to cross examine you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm basically trying to conduct a direct examination. And if

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<v Speaker 2>if you'll stick with the questions and respond to the questions,

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<v Speaker 2>we will I guarantee you at the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>hour have told the story effectively and you'll be able

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<v Speaker 2>to I'm sure, generate some more support for for your

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<v Speaker 2>effort to save the ping House. So the US Fish

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<v Speaker 2>and Wildlife Service came to the conclusion, I guess this

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<v Speaker 2>as bestis or whatever. Uh, it is not direct question.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not at this point in a livable condition. Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>All of his contaminants, which were not as bad as projected,

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<v Speaker 3>did get remediated, So it is no danger to anything.

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<v Speaker 3>And the house itself is quite sound. The bones are wonderful,

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<v Speaker 3>the walls and the windows are straight, the roof is great,

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<v Speaker 3>no cracks in the foundation. And that is a misconception

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<v Speaker 3>that it's just really important for your listeners to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So that's fine, So you would dispute the characterization

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<v Speaker 2>that the US Fish and Wildlife Service has made, and

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<v Speaker 2>you actually, as I understand it, found they put it

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<v Speaker 2>up for sale recently, and as I understand it, there

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<v Speaker 2>was no bid to purchase it from the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>It was an auction the federal One of the problems

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<v Speaker 3>here and why it's taken so long, is that the

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<v Speaker 3>typical residential house because it's owned by the federal government.

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<v Speaker 3>So really the reason we've been working on land trade

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<v Speaker 3>limited ways in which it can be freed from their

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<v Speaker 2>So in terms of I'm going to I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>get to that in a second. What happened at the auction?

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<v Speaker 2>Why was there no one did they put a reserve

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<v Speaker 2>on the auction? Did they say that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the auction was for the house only and not

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<v Speaker 3>the land, So that was one issue. It was logistically

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<v Speaker 3>and cost prohibitive. Anybody who really looked into it as

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<v Speaker 3>deeply as we did realize that there's quite a bit

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<v Speaker 3>of limitation for moving it. And secondly, most people did

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<v Speaker 3>not know that the location is is iconic as the

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<v Speaker 3>so they learned. You know, that was what was learned

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<v Speaker 3>in the thirty day period.

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<v Speaker 2>Just so I understand and my audience understands, there was

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<v Speaker 2>an auction, but an aspect of the requirement of the

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<v Speaker 2>auction is that the house also would have been had

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, correct, Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. So now you've been working on a plan

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<v Speaker 2>most recently as I understand it, and if I'm wrong,

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<v Speaker 2>feel to feel free to correct me, in which you

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<v Speaker 2>have come up with a proposal which would involve a

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<v Speaker 2>land swap. How would that work? And why has the

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<v Speaker 2>government not been willing to participate in the proposal that

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<v Speaker 2>you folks have made.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we have been working on a few different deals.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess you'd call it with the uf fision while life.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what we've been doing over the eight years. We

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<v Speaker 3>one landslap proposal that kind of fell through it the

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<v Speaker 3>eleventh hour, which is really a shame. And then the

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<v Speaker 3>Fish and Wildlife Real Pea came to us again a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of years ago and said it would be so

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<v Speaker 3>beneficial for their mission to trade this acre because they

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<v Speaker 3>can because of the difference in price of marshaker, they

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<v Speaker 3>can get up to hundreds of acre acres in return

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<v Speaker 3>for the trade, and so it would be so beneficial

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<v Speaker 3>for them to take this acre, which really is a

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<v Speaker 3>residential acre on the Plumb Island Turnpike and possibly go

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<v Speaker 3>where they would get forested acreage where there might be

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<v Speaker 3>you know, animal species to preserve and things. And so

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<v Speaker 3>we are still looking for that to be that has

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<v Speaker 2>So let me let me let me break this down

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<v Speaker 2>I can't understand that, my audience won't understand it. So

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<v Speaker 2>you're still working on again. Your phrase is a land

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<v Speaker 2>trade where you or your group or someone from your group,

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<v Speaker 2>whether the group itself would basically get the house as

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<v Speaker 2>it exists and the land, the one acre of land

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<v Speaker 2>on which it exists. The house would not move, the

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<v Speaker 2>house would stay in location, and obviously you might be

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<v Speaker 2>able to fix it up a little bit. And where

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<v Speaker 2>would you find this more expansive acreage that you think

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<v Speaker 2>the government might be willing to trade for the pink

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<v Speaker 2>house and the land on which the pink.

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<v Speaker 3>House sets well. Originally, when they came to us in

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<v Speaker 3>this last time that I mentioned, they the real tea

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<v Speaker 3>chief said, we'll provide the land if you prepare the

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<v Speaker 3>house for being traded, which we did. It took about

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen months, and we funded it with donor donations and

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<v Speaker 3>utilized many many professionals in the area because so many

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<v Speaker 3>people know what this house means to the area. That

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<v Speaker 3>we had just everybody pitching in, which was wonderful. And

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<v Speaker 3>in the last moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me ask you this, rachel Rachelle, did that give

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<v Speaker 2>you folks for some period of time and opportunity to

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<v Speaker 2>have access to the house and to make improvements and

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<v Speaker 2>all of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Answers great question. No, even while I have been in

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<v Speaker 3>there and we have a building advisor who's gone in

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<v Speaker 3>every year several times until the last couple of years

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<v Speaker 3>to check for wellness after you know, storms and after

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<v Speaker 3>winter and seeing that it was still holding up, we

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<v Speaker 3>were not allowed to make any improvements, although everybody did

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<v Speaker 3>offer money, donated materials and time, but again said we

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<v Speaker 3>owned that is you know, they have processes where you

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<v Speaker 3>know they would do. You know, that would be something

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<v Speaker 3>they would do. And by the way, if it does

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<v Speaker 3>get traded, which is what we hope, it would become

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<v Speaker 3>fully restored, completely restored and usable inside out. So it

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<v Speaker 3>really is do you have.

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<v Speaker 2>A piece of property now that do you? As I

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<v Speaker 2>understand it that if and we get to the governor

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<v Speaker 2>in a moment, if the government hadn't interceded, there could

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<v Speaker 2>have been a problem. Do you have a parcel of

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<v Speaker 2>property acreage significant substantial acreage that it's in front of

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<v Speaker 2>them now as an offer to trade or no?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, actually, although it is not. It was something that

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<v Speaker 3>the Fish and Wildlife Realty Department, you know, was to provide.

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<v Speaker 3>We did give turn in many we might as well

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<v Speaker 3>look for acreage, and we did turn in many parcels.

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<v Speaker 3>And right now because the governors seely stepped in and

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<v Speaker 3>prevented the house from being demolished in the nick of time.

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<v Speaker 3>It is so fortunate and we so appreciate that Fish

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<v Speaker 3>and Wildlife agreed to just reopen to discussion about any possibilities.

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<v Speaker 3>And we did find seven new pieces of land to

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<v Speaker 3>add to the others, so both are going to be reconsidered.

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<v Speaker 2>So how many acres or how many properties and do

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<v Speaker 2>you have currently on your side.

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<v Speaker 4>Of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Table here to offer to the government.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well, because we were asked to select the best fits,

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<v Speaker 3>I'd say about fourteen of them, and then we know

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<v Speaker 3>that there were some state lands looked for with the

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<v Speaker 3>introduction of the government's amazing and excellent staff.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well again, what I'm trying to do here is

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<v Speaker 2>ask you questions that you can give me more specific

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<v Speaker 2>answers to have there been people in your group who

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<v Speaker 2>have said, gee, I own three or four acres over here,

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<v Speaker 2>I would be more than happy to donate it as

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<v Speaker 2>part of a land swap. Or what's the source of

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<v Speaker 2>the acreage that you apparently have available to trade to

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<v Speaker 2>the government for this house.

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<v Speaker 3>I know you want me to answer succinctly, and you

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<v Speaker 3>ask questions that are complicated, so bear with me. There

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<v Speaker 3>are many in the community and in this region who

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<v Speaker 3>you know did come forward. Not all of them were

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<v Speaker 3>good fits. We went around and spoke to people with

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<v Speaker 3>their specific criteria in mind, who were neighbors who people

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<v Speaker 3>know of the Pink House, wanted to support the arts

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<v Speaker 3>in the community and did offer their land. It wouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>be a donation they it is that had a restoration

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<v Speaker 3>partner who's been around for five years, willing to buy

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<v Speaker 3>any land in the country that fish and wildlife would

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<v Speaker 3>identify or want and trade it for that, and then

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<v Speaker 3>he would own the house and restore it on his own,

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<v Speaker 3>time fully and completely in and out.

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<v Speaker 2>So this donor, and again I'm just trying to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure I understand it, this donor is willing to You're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to local neighbors or residents of the Plumb

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<v Speaker 2>Island area and asking them to donate money to donate acreage.

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<v Speaker 2>You're saying, would you be willing to sell that parcel

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<v Speaker 2>of land to and and get get paid for the

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<v Speaker 2>parcel of land, which then the donor would assemble and

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<v Speaker 2>trade for the land for the for the Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And the great thing is that everybody wins here. The

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<v Speaker 3>great thing is anybody who would do that with her

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<v Speaker 3>land would then have the benefit of that land being

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<v Speaker 3>perpetually conserved by fish and wildlife yew. Great is all that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? It is. Now. You came very close to the

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<v Speaker 2>to the to the midnight hour and and Governor Healy

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<v Speaker 2>got involved. We're going to talk when we get back

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<v Speaker 2>with breaking for News. Now, We're going to talk briefly

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<v Speaker 2>about the governor's involvement. And I want to know before

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<v Speaker 2>we go to phone calls. We do have phone call

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<v Speaker 2>is on the line. I want to be considered a

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<v Speaker 2>there time. I want to know how quickly you think

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<v Speaker 2>this situation will be resolved. You're as close to it

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<v Speaker 2>as anyone, and so I'm looking for you to give

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<v Speaker 2>me some indication of how you think it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>get resolved and somewhat of a timeframe. Will we This

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<v Speaker 2>has been a long battle over years now, fifteen years,

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<v Speaker 2>uh and I want to get your your idea uh

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<v Speaker 2>as to as to when it when it might get resolved.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be back with my guest, Rochelle Joseph. She's the

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<v Speaker 2>president of a group called Support the Pink House. It

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<v Speaker 2>is not a simple story, as you can tell, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to break it down as best I can

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<v Speaker 2>for me to understand it, and f you two as

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<v Speaker 2>well if you'd like to join the conversation. The only

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<v Speaker 2>lines I have open are six one, seven, nine, three,

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<v Speaker 2>one ten thirty. The six one, seven, two, five, four,

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<v Speaker 2>ten line ten thirty lines are full. We will get

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<v Speaker 2>to those callers, I promise, be patient. We'll get to

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<v Speaker 2>you quickly, as quickly as possible. Right after the news

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<v Speaker 2>break at the bottom of the hour.

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<v Speaker 1>On Nightside with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about the Pink House up on Plumb Island,

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<v Speaker 2>actually in Newbury, in the town of Newbury with us

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<v Speaker 2>as Rochelle Joseph. She's the president of a group called

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<v Speaker 2>Support the Pink House. If you want more information, their

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<v Speaker 2>website is support the Pink House dot com, or if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to support their cause, we will give that

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<v Speaker 2>website out a couple of times between now and ten o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me if I can try to wrap our portion

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<v Speaker 2>of the interview here, and I want to get the

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls as quickly as I can. Rochelle, and the

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<v Speaker 2>question I have is you you now hope that the

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<v Speaker 2>Pink House can be saved, and you're optimistic because of

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<v Speaker 2>Governor Healy's involvement, you're going to need federal support on

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<v Speaker 2>this as well. Has anyone reached out to the incoming administration,

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe the Trump administration. I think the new Department

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<v Speaker 2>of the Interior, there'll be a new secretary. I have

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<v Speaker 2>no idea if your Fisheries and Wildlife if as a

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<v Speaker 2>federal agency under what cabinet position that's under. But this

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<v Speaker 2>might be a way in which the Trump administration coming

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<v Speaker 2>in the door might be able to take a second

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<v Speaker 2>and a fresh look at this and work in conjunction

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<v Speaker 2>with the Healy administration and bring a conclusion to this

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<v Speaker 2>that would delight your supporters and also be good for

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<v Speaker 2>the taxpayers. Are you all hopeful that we can push

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<v Speaker 2>this forward that way?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, anything's possible that I think decisions have to be

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<v Speaker 3>made to go forward for a landswap much sooner than that,

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<v Speaker 3>and the house needs to be secured for the winter

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<v Speaker 3>very very quickly, and it really would be a win

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<v Speaker 3>for a fish and wildlife and in the region and everyone.

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<v Speaker 3>So we are hopeful that that will go forward. We

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<v Speaker 3>have the support of the governor and Senator Bruce Tarr

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<v Speaker 3>and Rep. Kristen Kasner, all the mean the leaders of

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<v Speaker 3>the surrounding towns and where we have worked with Congress

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<v Speaker 3>and Moulton and Senators Marquee and Warren on this along

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<v Speaker 3>the way.

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<v Speaker 2>And with that, with that firepower, I think you're you're

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to be guaranteed success in this. Let's go

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<v Speaker 2>to phone calls. Six four ten thirty is the number. UH.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a question, feel free, If you have

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<v Speaker 2>a comment, feel free. No speech is necessary. Heather in Haveril, Heather,

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<v Speaker 2>you have first this hour. Appreciate your patients. Go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 5>I just wanted to call just to kind of understate

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<v Speaker 5>the importance of keeping the house I grew up in

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<v Speaker 5>the report. Basically, the to me, the house adds depth

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<v Speaker 5>and character to an already breathtaking landscape. You instantly know

433
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<v Speaker 5>where you are when you see the house in any

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<v Speaker 5>shot or painting, it's you instantly know where you are.

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<v Speaker 5>You're taken right there to that spot, the mini you

436
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:04.359
<v Speaker 5>see the house, the silhouette. It transports you not only

437
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<v Speaker 5>there in your mind, but to Summer's past, spent living

438
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<v Speaker 5>out your childhood on plum Island beaches. She's the gatekeeper

439
00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.759
<v Speaker 5>to the beach. She's the receptionist to the therapist, and

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's the nostalgia, the familiarity in an ever

441
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<v Speaker 5>changing world and the scary world that think us to

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<v Speaker 5>her firmly and the hurry.

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<v Speaker 2>You're referred to as the pink House.

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<v Speaker 4>Correct, Yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, okay, Heather, thank you very much for your call.

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<v Speaker 2>Very interesting perspective. Let me go to Michael, who says

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<v Speaker 2>he is a selectman from Salisbury, Massachusetts. Michael, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to introduce yourself.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yes, Dans Michael Colburn, Salisbury's selectment cheer and I

450
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<v Speaker 4>just wanted her spress uh full support on the Pink

451
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<v Speaker 4>House as the Salisbury Board, which you know, Dan, Salisbury's

452
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<v Speaker 4>right across the river from Newbury and the Pink House

453
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<v Speaker 4>is part of our part of our skyline. And there's

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<v Speaker 4>a kid that grew up in this area. You know,

455
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<v Speaker 4>the last car was right, it's part of our childhood

456
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:11.759
<v Speaker 4>going to Palm Island. It was like the gatekeeper, you know,

457
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:13.559
<v Speaker 4>every kid knew they were gonna have a great time

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<v Speaker 4>at Palm Island. So the board has wrote in support

459
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<v Speaker 4>the report. City Council wrote support Ainsbury's City Council Newbury

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<v Speaker 4>City I mean select board, all all the local officials,

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<v Speaker 4>we all have talked about this, and we all have

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<v Speaker 4>full support behind the Pink House, and we love everything

463
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<v Speaker 4>that the group is doing, and they're right on this

464
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<v Speaker 4>site and we all stand behind them.

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<v Speaker 2>Michael, let me ask you a question, as an elected official,

466
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<v Speaker 2>why do you think the US Fish and Wildlife Service

467
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<v Speaker 2>seems to have dug their heels in and this particularly

468
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<v Speaker 2>in recent years. Normally, when you have as much political

469
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<v Speaker 2>firepower as Rachelle just you know, listed, as well as

470
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<v Speaker 2>the support of folks like yourself from the town of Salisbury,

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<v Speaker 2>why are you surprised that that this federal agency just

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<v Speaker 2>seems to be unwilling to to move in your direction?

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<v Speaker 4>Ah, yes, it is. It's very disheartening because there's no

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<v Speaker 4>there's no real game for what they're doing. Their argument,

475
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<v Speaker 4>their argument, and all the meetings we have had is

476
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<v Speaker 4>that they're trying to re establish wildlife. Well, Rochelle and

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<v Speaker 4>her group have gave her way more acres than this

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<v Speaker 4>one acres. I mean, I think Rochelle at one point

479
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:38.640
<v Speaker 4>was up the Hunter Acres. So there. The Pink House

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00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.799
<v Speaker 4>has done everything like kids. So it's sometimes, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>when I listen to some of the people from the wildlife.

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<v Speaker 4>It's kind of the coming off very pickhead and not

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<v Speaker 4>open minded to the community.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the thing that's interesting is that the elected officials,

485
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<v Speaker 2>it sounds to me like, are all behind this, and

486
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<v Speaker 2>the folks who were preventing the Pink House from being

487
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<v Speaker 2>restored are not elected by anybody. They're they're you know,

488
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<v Speaker 2>they're bureaucrats, and it's just it's interesting to me that

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00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:15.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, if if if the if the population there,

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<v Speaker 2>if the people didn't want uh, didn't support the pink House,

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<v Speaker 2>and if the the elected officials didn't support the Pink House,

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<v Speaker 2>I would understand that. What perplexes me is that with

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<v Speaker 2>that much political support uh the uh the Rachelle mentioned,

494
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<v Speaker 2>you know, Congressman Moulton and Governor Healy, and you know

495
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<v Speaker 2>that's I believe it's Seth Moulton's district and and he's

496
00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:41.640
<v Speaker 2>as good a congressman as there is. I had him

497
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<v Speaker 2>on the show on on Wednesday night on it or

498
00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:47.440
<v Speaker 2>last night actually on a on other issues. The election.

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<v Speaker 2>It just it's always difficult when you have to go

500
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<v Speaker 2>up against this big behemoth of government. There were a

501
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:59.119
<v Speaker 2>bunch of houses down in Provincetown last summer, which they

502
00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:02.480
<v Speaker 2>wanted to take, which had been owned by families for years,

503
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:07.759
<v Speaker 2>and for no reason. That's what I was frustrated to

504
00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>find out that there is hasn't seen to me to

505
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:15.079
<v Speaker 2>be some reason here. You know that that this it's

506
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:18.240
<v Speaker 2>it's it's frustrating not to quite understand what they're what

507
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:22.240
<v Speaker 2>the government's position is, or the fishing wildlife. The government

508
00:29:22.240 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 2>officials seemed like yourself, seem to be supportive. Appreciate you call, Michael.

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<v Speaker 2>It's good to hear from you.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Okay, thank you, Dan, You're very welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll take quick break back with my guest Michelle Joseph.

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<v Speaker 2>More phone calls. We'll take as many as we can

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<v Speaker 2>between now and ten o'clock and again the website if

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<v Speaker 2>you're interested in This is not a simple story. It's

515
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:44.839
<v Speaker 2>a complicated story, but it's a story that at its

516
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<v Speaker 2>at its core, I think it's pretty clear that there's

517
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people of goodwill who are trying to

518
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<v Speaker 2>do the right thing here. And I've seen nothing in

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<v Speaker 2>any of the government releases I've read them that has

520
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:03.039
<v Speaker 2>has given me any anything to hold hang my hat

521
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:06.160
<v Speaker 2>on and say, hey, this house is you know, it's

522
00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:10.359
<v Speaker 2>it's an attractive nuisance, or it's leaking, there's oil that's leaking,

523
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.799
<v Speaker 2>or it's nothing anyway. The website is support the Pink

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<v Speaker 2>House dot Com. Back on night died right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>to Night Side Studios. I'm WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is Michelle Joson. She's the president of Support

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<v Speaker 2>the Pink House dot Com. Got a bunch of calls.

529
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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to get to as many people as possible. Debra,

530
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<v Speaker 2>you've been very patient. You're next on Nightside with Rachelle

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph Garrett ahead. Okay, if Debra's not ready, we will

532
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<v Speaker 2>move past Deborah and we'll move to our next call

533
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<v Speaker 2>and put Deborah on hold, and maybe we'll come back

534
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<v Speaker 2>to Debora in the moment. Let me go to Margie

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<v Speaker 2>and the Catskills. Margie and the Catskills, You're next on Nightside, Margie.

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<v Speaker 2>Garret ahead.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I have almost forty years experience working in a

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<v Speaker 6>house that's been preserved, and I thought I heard it

539
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 6>from the start, but I have some very specific questions.

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<v Speaker 6>What is the year the house was built? Twenty four diogs.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen twenty four is the year the house was built?

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<v Speaker 6>And what style?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that answer. Maybe, Rochelle, can you characterize

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00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:25.599
<v Speaker 2>the house its style? Rochelle, yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 7>Are you hearing me? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>I hear you. Yeah. You want to get you off speakerphone,

547
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:33.039
<v Speaker 2>don't please, Rochelle, if that's possible.

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<v Speaker 7>Sure.

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<v Speaker 3>It's an American forest square, I believe. And it is

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00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.279
<v Speaker 3>unique in that you can see it from all four sides.

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<v Speaker 3>And the cupola also makes it quite unique.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, And you can look up by the way, Margie,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to see a picture of you, just

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<v Speaker 2>go to the website's right.

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<v Speaker 6>I have the question decades experience of working with historic

556
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<v Speaker 6>societies and working with this, what does the woman think

557
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<v Speaker 6>is the major reason for preserving it?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Margie, I'll tell you we've talked about this for

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<v Speaker 2>an hour. What I'm going to suggest is a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of things to simplify things here. You're pretty good if

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<v Speaker 2>I recall on the computer, just go to support the

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00:32:15.119 --> 00:32:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Pink House dot com. Also tomorrow you could listen to

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<v Speaker 2>the entire interview. Rochelle and I have talked about it

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<v Speaker 2>for about forty minutes. I suspect you've joined us a

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00:32:24.839 --> 00:32:25.359
<v Speaker 2>little late.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I didn't join you late. But I just want

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<v Speaker 6>to make one point with the very dedicated woman. Unless

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<v Speaker 6>the house has historic significance to the time period, there's

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<v Speaker 6>very little.

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<v Speaker 4>Hope for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think that she would argue that there is

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<v Speaker 2>historic significance to the time period.

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<v Speaker 6>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's a pretty subjective judgment. What might be historic

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00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:54.519
<v Speaker 2>to you and me and to Rose Rochelle might not

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<v Speaker 2>be historic to some bureaucrat with the Fisheries and US

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<v Speaker 2>Fish and Wildlife Service.

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00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:07.720
<v Speaker 6>Margine, I would immediately discard the Fish and Wildlife. That's

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<v Speaker 6>a terrible designation.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Margie. What you might do is go to the

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<v Speaker 2>website and there's a way to get in contact with Rochelle.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you could be of any help to this cause,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she would appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, goodbye, Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Margie, have a great night. Let me go next to

586
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if Debra's back. Let's is Debrah still back?

587
00:33:28.519 --> 00:33:31.039
<v Speaker 2>Is she still there? Okay? Fine, dever will try a

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<v Speaker 2>second time. You there now?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I am, I'm righty here. Thank you. Thanks for

590
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 9>covering this too. I was gonna say for me, I'm

591
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<v Speaker 9>a little bit different because I don't live in the community.

592
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<v Speaker 9>I'm in Chelmford, mass same place as Nibbe the beaver

593
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<v Speaker 9>that Marray Hally also helped them keep in place at

594
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<v Speaker 9>their rescue here that it was really nice thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That was probably an easier task for the governor. I

596
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<v Speaker 2>think she had more control over that than this.

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<v Speaker 9>Property, but go ahead, definitely, But it was very exciting

598
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.880
<v Speaker 9>to see her get involved in this also. And I

599
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:04.720
<v Speaker 9>was at a rally for the Pink Houst the other

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<v Speaker 9>like a couple of weeks ago, and Thundered Attire was there,

601
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:10.079
<v Speaker 9>and you know, there are a lot of people that

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<v Speaker 9>I've seen from the Facebook group and different thing that

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<v Speaker 9>you know, I see online and I see the photographs

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00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:20.960
<v Speaker 9>and pictures and paintings and you know, and it was

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<v Speaker 9>nice to meet some person.

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<v Speaker 2>We're getting tied on time. What is your question or comment?

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<v Speaker 9>Mine is just I think it's worth saving. You know,

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<v Speaker 9>you can just walk through downtown Newberry Point and you

609
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:36.280
<v Speaker 9>see the Pink House everywhere. You see it on coasters

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<v Speaker 9>and t shirts and pottery and you know, paintings and

611
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 9>photographs and it's just such a big part of the

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<v Speaker 9>community that you know, I just when I'm bored. I

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00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.480
<v Speaker 9>just drive there and look at it. I recently went

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<v Speaker 9>there to see the Aurora borealis and you know, there

615
00:34:50.360 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 9>are a bunch of us were all there photographing and

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<v Speaker 9>it was just amazing and I just can't imagine it

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<v Speaker 9>not being there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, thank you very much for your for your

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<v Speaker 2>support on that. And by the way, Gustar is probably

620
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<v Speaker 2>one of the hardest working state senators in Massachusetts, concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about local issues, and he's done, as I understand it,

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<v Speaker 2>a great job on this. Deborah, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I just got to get a couple more calls in here.

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<v Speaker 9>Hi, right, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks. Let me go to David and Newburyport. David, you're

626
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<v Speaker 2>next on Night Side.

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<v Speaker 8>Go right ahead, Yeah, Hello, this is David. Are you

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<v Speaker 8>Are you with me?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes? And more importantly, you're with us, David Ram, the

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<v Speaker 2>host of the show when you were in the air,

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<v Speaker 2>Go right.

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<v Speaker 8>Ahead, Hill, Hi Dan. Yet, I'm David and I live

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<v Speaker 8>in Newburyport on Plumb Island, and I just have to

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<v Speaker 8>speak in a more focused fashion and that it's much

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<v Speaker 8>more than history. It's a it's part of our community

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<v Speaker 8>really big time. I drive by it every day, as

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<v Speaker 8>many people do. And and uh, to see it David

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<v Speaker 8>and Goliath event take place like this is really sad.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm very sadden. Every time I go by speaking, I

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<v Speaker 8>would be.

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<v Speaker 2>I would be, I would be hardened in the sense

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<v Speaker 2>that you have a group of people and they sound

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<v Speaker 2>very dedicated listening to Rochelle today, who have joined together,

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<v Speaker 2>and it is a David and Goliath battle. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes David wins these things. You know you will win this.

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<v Speaker 8>I hope, well hope in place of David, it's really Rochelle.

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<v Speaker 8>She's been with us from the get go, and she's

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<v Speaker 8>been very patient and very collegial, and very politically attuned

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<v Speaker 8>to the different people that let me just add Bruce

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<v Speaker 8>Tarr indeed to some extent, has been involved and a

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<v Speaker 8>proponent of keeping it. However, I will speak as a

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<v Speaker 8>as a citizen, as a businessman, and as an artist. Uh,

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<v Speaker 8>it's been just dead space talking to all the politicians

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<v Speaker 8>that we elected. They've not stepped up. They've had deaf years.

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<v Speaker 8>And I don't want to be nasty about it, but

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<v Speaker 8>I'm just oh.

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<v Speaker 2>That's okay, it's good. It's it's good to hear. And

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<v Speaker 2>again they need to work a little harder David, I

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<v Speaker 2>have one more'd like to get in. I appreciate your

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<v Speaker 2>call very much. Thanks, thanks for joining the chorus tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Let's go to Jeff and West Newbury. Jeff,

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<v Speaker 2>you've just called in. I give you about thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>If you can do something with it, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Hey day, Dan, thanks for taking me on the call.

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<v Speaker 7>So I'm one of the board members. And a couple

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<v Speaker 7>quick things. One is the fish and wildlife. The reason

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<v Speaker 7>why they're saying they need to take it down is

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<v Speaker 7>that their big excuse has been that it's filled with

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<v Speaker 7>asbestos and lead paint, and just to be clear, as

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<v Speaker 7>we've talked about, that's already been all mitigated, so that

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<v Speaker 7>excuse is kind of gone now now been it's just

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<v Speaker 7>not responsible for them to maintain a house. That's not

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<v Speaker 7>what they want to do. They want to take it

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<v Speaker 7>down and preserve that acre. It's one acre. Now the

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<v Speaker 7>house has been approved has been a praise for four

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<v Speaker 7>hundred and twenty five thousand dollars. So the swap that

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<v Speaker 7>Rachelle and you guys have been talking about at one

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<v Speaker 7>thousand dollars an acre that equals four hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 7>five eight that they could trade it for which is

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<v Speaker 7>ecologically important land. So at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 7>the most important thing to think about is from their

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<v Speaker 7>mission and what they're trying to do. The question is

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<v Speaker 7>it more important to save one acre of upland it's

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<v Speaker 7>on a busy road, or swap it somewhere for the

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<v Speaker 7>equivalent of four hundred and twenty five acres.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay. Unfortunately, unfortunately, Jeff, we're going to have to

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<v Speaker 2>leave it at that point. I wish you'd called earlier

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<v Speaker 2>because I could have given you much more time. But

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<v Speaker 2>the news await, so I'm going to laugh to say

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<v Speaker 2>thanks very much. I think we understand your point. Appreciate it. Rochelle,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much. The website is support the pink

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<v Speaker 2>House dot com. Best of luck. I hope you prevail.

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<v Speaker 2>But I like these sort of issues because it is

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<v Speaker 2>always again, whether you call it a David and Goliath

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<v Speaker 2>or fighting city Hall, we're on your side. Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>very much for having joined us tonight.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>We hope it's a win for all.

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<v Speaker 8>Appreciate it's hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's hope. Thank you very much. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk to a question that's maybe as interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>but a little less contentious, and that is Christmas creep.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we start to celebrate Christmas around here a little

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<v Speaker 2>too early? We'll talk about that on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of the ten o'clock News