Speaker 1: All right, big for society. I've got the privilege of
Speaker 1: talking to gentlemen tonight. His name is Arturo, He's from
Speaker 1: the South Oregon area. It's a truck driver. He's got
Speaker 1: some really interesting things he's experienced over the years, and
Speaker 1: we've been kind of going back and forth for a bit,
Speaker 1: but his info came out of nowhere, and I'm glad
Speaker 1: I'm actually able to talk to him on air now.
Speaker 1: And Arturo, how are you doing tonight, sir? Oh, pretty good,
Speaker 1: fantastic and the road is treating you well out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the time of the year to really
Speaker 2: build the snow and ice and all that, so summertime
Speaker 2: is a high mileage, good base. So I really enjoyed
Speaker 2: the spring and the summer, falling winter and when he
Speaker 2: got to be a little more cautious with other drivers
Speaker 2: and road conditions. But right now it's a great time
Speaker 2: of year to be driving truck.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, just you and the open road sounds great. Well, Arturo,
Speaker 1: You've got some really interesting things to shar We talked
Speaker 1: a little bit earlier today, and the stuff that you
Speaker 1: told me then, I was like, Wow, this is going
Speaker 1: to be a very unique one. I'm excited to get
Speaker 1: into it. So Artura, I'm gonna let you go ahead
Speaker 1: and take us where we need to go with what
Speaker 1: you've experienced.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, it's going to be a two part thing.
Speaker 2: The first part will be my personal experiences and what
Speaker 2: happened to me back in twenty ten, and the second
Speaker 2: part will be account of the story of I know
Speaker 2: what happened in southern Oregon, but I guess we'll start
Speaker 2: with twenty ten. My personal experience. I've always been a
Speaker 2: kind of heavier set guy. I was like about two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty pounds since high school, and a couple
Speaker 2: of years before my incident, I'd been a really bad
Speaker 2: car wreck and I ended up being in intensive care
Speaker 2: for a long time and bedridden for a couple months,
Speaker 2: and like, you know, whole year of therapy just be
Speaker 2: able to walk good again and all that. And during
Speaker 2: that period, I'd put on about another one hundred pounds,
Speaker 2: so I was really large, up like three hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty pounds, and my health became a big concern for me.
Speaker 2: And I'd always been kind of into like bushcraft and survivalism,
Speaker 2: and you know, since I was a kid watching terminator
Speaker 2: and you know things like that, and like, you know
Speaker 2: a lot of things like that. And then but I
Speaker 2: really into the wilderness and outdoors. So I decided, for
Speaker 2: the better my health, I was going to start doing
Speaker 2: some you know, short hikes and maybe getting out and
Speaker 2: practicing a little bushcraft. So I started to do that
Speaker 2: in southern California and this area between Orange County and
Speaker 2: Riverside County, there was a road that kind of divided
Speaker 2: to two counties on this mountaintop, but on the below
Speaker 2: that in the valley, there was a couple of creeks
Speaker 2: with small waterfalls and things like that. There was a
Speaker 2: basically a blm road that went up into the area.
Speaker 2: So I started going there as far as I could drive,
Speaker 2: and then i'd park my truck and I was doing
Speaker 2: these short hikes about three quarters of a mile in
Speaker 2: and I'd hang out the creek and you know, mess
Speaker 2: around the bushcraft and practicing doing like bow drill and
Speaker 2: hand drill, starting fires and different things like that, do
Speaker 2: some wood carving. And I was doing that for a while,
Speaker 2: and then eventually there was too many accidents on that
Speaker 2: mountain of people, mostly like high school kids partying up
Speaker 2: in the hills and driving off the edge of the
Speaker 2: sides of the mountains and lay it to a couple
Speaker 2: of fatalities. So they'd closed the road down where I
Speaker 2: used to drive in to get to that area. So
Speaker 2: then it became a thing of you know, limitation on
Speaker 2: the if I was going to hike in there, it
Speaker 2: became about about five and a half to maybe six
Speaker 2: and a half mile hike to get to that area
Speaker 2: where I was hanging out. So I decided to start,
Speaker 2: you know, hiking in and in a hammock so I
Speaker 2: could just stay overnight or hike in, hang out for
Speaker 2: the day, you know, have a little fun stay of
Speaker 2: the night, and then hike out the next day, so
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have to, you know, try to do a
Speaker 2: ten twelve mile hike in one day. So I started
Speaker 2: doing that for a while, started building a pretty decent
Speaker 2: kind of permanent structure. But there was a small series
Speaker 2: of mines and caves and stuff over there where they
Speaker 2: used to look for I think they're looking for copper
Speaker 2: and silver and different minerals and stuff, but they basically
Speaker 2: all ran dry and had got closed down. So the
Speaker 2: Forager service had one in and put concrete and rebar
Speaker 2: up on all the interests to close them off. But
Speaker 2: I found one of those was a fairly good sized opening,
Speaker 2: and I noticed that there was constantly a draft that
Speaker 2: pulled into the cave. So I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's going to be an awesome location to build a
Speaker 2: little permanent structure. So that's what I did, and had
Speaker 2: a little fire pit to the back I built, and
Speaker 2: really nice. I could have a small fire in there,
Speaker 2: and the smoke always drafted into the tunnel and come
Speaker 2: up out the hill somewhere. Uh. So I fortified the
Speaker 2: entrance real good. It was built it real nice and
Speaker 2: behind a big brushline. It was really hard to find
Speaker 2: the spot, and I always try to take different routes
Speaker 2: going to my little you know, hideaway. But at the
Speaker 2: time of doing that, I had this little Chihuaha mixed
Speaker 2: dog that I had gotten was a rescue my former employer.
Speaker 2: His wife was real big on resking every animal. You know,
Speaker 2: she'd find strays, bring him back and all this. But
Speaker 2: this little dog end up being a crazy dog and
Speaker 2: a little tiny Chiuala just scared everybody. And they told
Speaker 2: me if I could take him for a couple of days,
Speaker 2: they could, you know, find an owner. Somebody'd be willing
Speaker 2: to take him and the dog end it just like
Speaker 2: just falled me around everywhere and bade me and everything.
Speaker 2: So I decided to keep that dog and solve the
Speaker 2: whole problem. And then uh, I had having somebody to
Speaker 2: do my little hikes with me and stuff. But the
Speaker 2: dog really didn't like anybody or listening to anybody. Anybody
Speaker 2: got within ten fifteen feet of me or anybody at
Speaker 2: my house, he'd start growling and barking and you know,
Speaker 2: just paul shuahwah yapp and thing. But I started to
Speaker 2: notice when we were hiking in when we got to
Speaker 2: a certain point where there was this ridge, my dog
Speaker 2: would always get distracted and he'd put his ears up,
Speaker 2: like if i'd call, whistle for the dog, whatever, just
Speaker 2: get over here, you know, he put his ears up.
Speaker 2: He'd look around and he'd run right at me. And
Speaker 2: he never did that for anybody else like ever, not
Speaker 2: even the people who live with me. He just wouldn't
Speaker 2: respond to anybody. But I started noticing we get to
Speaker 2: this point, he'd put his ears up like if I
Speaker 2: was calling him, and he'd just go running off in
Speaker 2: the bush, go trying to get up to that ridge
Speaker 2: up there, and I started bothering me, like, what is
Speaker 2: this dog hearing that's like attracting him so much that
Speaker 2: he's just completely disobeying my commands, you know, running off.
Speaker 2: So you know, I started, you know, kind of watched
Speaker 2: him more, and it got to the point where he
Speaker 2: was just like he'd take off and he'd be gone
Speaker 2: for like an hour. I just continue hiking towards my
Speaker 2: little bushcraft shelter I built, and I just got really
Speaker 2: annoised this. I started putting him on a leash when
Speaker 2: we go past the section, and I started to realize that,
Speaker 2: like every time we go to that section, besides the
Speaker 2: dog acting you know, completely out of the ordinary, just
Speaker 2: completely you know, different from his normal day to day,
Speaker 2: I started noticing I always had the sensation of, you know,
Speaker 2: being watched, you know, And then I started thinking, oh, well,
Speaker 2: maybe somebody else has a camp there. Maybe it's you know,
Speaker 2: there there was some transient and homeless people in the
Speaker 2: area that used to camp out there, but they're more
Speaker 2: down the valley towards all where the massive amount of citrus,
Speaker 2: orange groves and grapefruit were and things like that, so
Speaker 2: I wasn't really thinking it was that and then I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, it's just a weird feeling. And one day particular,
Speaker 2: we were walking in the ridges above me to my
Speaker 2: left side, and it was probably about sixty seventy yards
Speaker 2: up the side of this hill was a real steep cliff.
Speaker 2: As I was walking, it was real quiet day, like
Speaker 2: hardly no wind, nothing, and everything got real quiet, and
Speaker 2: I started actually hearing like leaves rustling and things like that.
Speaker 2: And then at one point I saw a couple of
Speaker 2: little small rocks like rolled down the hill. So it
Speaker 2: caused me to look up to my left, and I
Speaker 2: realized that my dog was already staring up at that
Speaker 2: direction the whole time we were walking. So I started
Speaker 2: really paying attention to that ridge to the left of me.
Speaker 2: So I'm just like walking ahead and just kind of
Speaker 2: focusing to my left the whole time, and I'm really
Speaker 2: getting that eerie feeling of just being watched. So I
Speaker 2: just come to a complete stop. I started glancing the ridge,
Speaker 2: and then that's that's when I saw them, right. And
Speaker 2: you know, I've heard a lot of things about you know,
Speaker 2: Bigfoot being this big giant, you know, gorilla ape and
Speaker 2: type things like that. What I saw was nothing looking
Speaker 2: like a bigfoot, you know. Uh. And the way, the
Speaker 2: best way I can explain it is like I grew
Speaker 2: up in the early eighties watching wrestling and I'll call
Speaker 2: again and all that, and I kind of pictured it.
Speaker 2: Uh It'd be like Andrea the Giant that they had
Speaker 2: from wrestling back in the day. But it looked like
Speaker 2: Andre the Giant with like totally straight hair, not curly hair.
Speaker 2: The hair was had like a light red tint to it,
Speaker 2: but with a lot of gray hair, like an old man.
Speaker 2: But it looked like a caveman, you know, like not
Speaker 2: with like you see with like the loincloth, you know,
Speaker 2: patch of animer for over him carrying a club. It
Speaker 2: just looked kind of like a Neanderthal, but just like
Speaker 2: really huge, like Andrea the Giant. So I stopped. I'm
Speaker 2: like staring at it, and I'm like, so the fuddo,
Speaker 2: I'm so confused on what I'm seeing. I just start
Speaker 2: to slowly just keep walking forward, and I'm staring up
Speaker 2: at the hill and what I'm seeing starts to walk
Speaker 2: forward too, and it's and it's staring right back at me,
Speaker 2: and my dog is full eye contact. I'm walking almost
Speaker 2: like twenty thirty yards staring up the hill as the
Speaker 2: thing I'm watching goes to where there's like a clearing
Speaker 2: of trees and it's not such a wide open part
Speaker 2: of the ridge. The thing I'm watching is watching me
Speaker 2: so intently, just like I'm watching him. The thing I'm
Speaker 2: watching walks right into a tree branch that was right
Speaker 2: at its head level. They just smacked it in the
Speaker 2: head and so I was like, what I saw the
Speaker 2: whole tree shape real bad. And the thing let out
Speaker 2: this roar, like a yelp, like a like I try
Speaker 2: to explain my one, buddy. It's like, you know, like
Speaker 2: you're walking down the hallway, you know, the middle of
Speaker 2: the night, you get up to take a leak, and
Speaker 2: you're walking down the hallway and you just stub your toe,
Speaker 2: you know, just like unexpected pain out of nowhere, and
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, you know, you know, he's let out
Speaker 2: a sound, you know, And it was kind of like that,
Speaker 2: and then it looks stunned. And then and it looked
Speaker 2: away from me, looked at the tree branch. It put
Speaker 2: its left arm up to where his left arm was
Speaker 2: like level with its eyesight, almost grabbed the branch and
Speaker 2: it just bent it all the way back, snapped it
Speaker 2: off and kind of squirted it away a little quicker,
Speaker 2: and it just disappeared and then no more sound, no
Speaker 2: more nothing. And I was so confused. I was I
Speaker 2: kept trying to just play back in my mind of
Speaker 2: what I just saw, and I really started thinking about it,
Speaker 2: and like the way the body was, I just kept thinking, like,
Speaker 2: you know, like this is like a really old, like
Speaker 2: really obese man. You know, like I'm a big guy
Speaker 2: walking out there. I'm struggling to make this hike all
Speaker 2: the time, you know, and I'm seeing this other creature
Speaker 2: that looks way very very old and very very heavy
Speaker 2: set too, but with a lot of muscle. And what
Speaker 2: I remember when I was looking at it, I used
Speaker 2: to work at a animal shelter probably three or four
Speaker 2: years prior to that, and we had a dog that
Speaker 2: came in that we had to quarantine and kind of
Speaker 2: putting its own separate kennel out in the field in
Speaker 2: a different area and all that. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: why's that dog out there? And they say, well, that
Speaker 2: dog has made it's it's real highly contagious. You know.
Speaker 2: The other animals can get it real quick. We gotta
Speaker 2: keep them separate. You know, if we go in there
Speaker 2: to feed them, we have to bleach the things down.
Speaker 2: I have to wear rubber boots and gloves and everything's
Speaker 2: got to get bleached to sanitize. But I remember about
Speaker 2: the dog having kind of like big patches of fur
Speaker 2: missing that looked all like scratched up and kind of scabby.
Speaker 2: And that was the same thing that I saw on
Speaker 2: you know, what I referred to was under the giant
Speaker 2: and I had I just remember having big patches of
Speaker 2: where it had been like scratching at itself to where
Speaker 2: like the fur was gone, and it was just like raw,
Speaker 2: kind of scabby, you know, nastiness underneath it, and it
Speaker 2: just looked like in such poor health. Like it was like,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm out there struggling, and you know, and
Speaker 2: I see this other thing and I and then I
Speaker 2: was thinking, is this thing always following me? Because you know,
Speaker 2: he's feeling sorry for me trying to getting up this ridge,
Speaker 2: up this hill all the time. You know, they're like
Speaker 2: a sympathetic thing, you know, like when I walk through,
Speaker 2: he walks through just to you know, see if I
Speaker 2: can make it, or is he you know somehow kind
Speaker 2: of like sublimly like encouraged me to keep going every
Speaker 2: time that I'm you know, struggling trying to get through,
Speaker 2: and basically, you know, he went over the ridge. I
Speaker 2: lost sight of him, and then, uh, I spended like
Speaker 2: the next three or four hours almost like trying to
Speaker 2: figure out how to get up to that spot where
Speaker 2: i'd saw the thing, you know, and it was very difficult.
Speaker 2: It was a high steat ridge, so I had a
Speaker 2: micing it, hiking ahead about a quarter mile trying to
Speaker 2: find a way up. Couldn't find nothing where I could
Speaker 2: because it was so vertical steep, I couldn't get up there.
Speaker 2: So then I had hiking back about a quarter mile backwards,
Speaker 2: and I found a little small kind of game trail,
Speaker 2: but was still pretty steep. But I was able to
Speaker 2: get up the hillside by just like pulling on the
Speaker 2: roots of different trees and little shrubs, and I got
Speaker 2: myself up there. And I got to the spot where
Speaker 2: he had smacked his head on that branch and just
Speaker 2: reached up and just broke that whole branch. And the
Speaker 2: first thing I noticed that that branch was like four
Speaker 2: or five inches stick, you know, it was a very
Speaker 2: bottom branch of the tree of a big, big tree.
Speaker 2: So it was a nice thick branch, and I was thinking,
Speaker 2: how did it snap that? And then I went closer,
Speaker 2: got up there, and I was trying to grab it
Speaker 2: to see, you know, just i'll stiff or whatever the
Speaker 2: branch was. That's when I realized that the branch was
Speaker 2: so high up. You know, I'm only five ten, and
Speaker 2: I put my arm up as high as I could
Speaker 2: put it up so that I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: another foot and a half up or so, and I
Speaker 2: couldn't even touch the branch. I had to pull out
Speaker 2: my little hiking stick, the telescoping one I had, and
Speaker 2: with it just like one slot like halfway out, so
Speaker 2: I had had about another foot and a half or
Speaker 2: so to you know, the height of my arm. I
Speaker 2: was able to smack that branch. And it was a
Speaker 2: live green tree. Where the break was, it looked really fibrous.
Speaker 2: You can see like the fibers in the tree like
Speaker 2: splintering open, and even had like a slight bit of
Speaker 2: sap kind of oozing out by then. But it was
Speaker 2: a totally fresh tree.
Speaker 1: Big, so a society would be right back after these messages, And.
Speaker 2: Then I started thinking about like when I'm doing bushcraft,
Speaker 2: and sometimes I don't feel like really soalling through material
Speaker 2: to build for you know, certain structures, or for just
Speaker 2: firewood or kindling whatever. A lot of times I'll find
Speaker 2: a tree or two trees next to each other or
Speaker 2: kind of wedge into v shape, and I'll take a
Speaker 2: dead standing wood that I find, it's maybe two three
Speaker 2: inches in diameter, and I'll wedge it down between the
Speaker 2: tree and then I use my upper body to press
Speaker 2: against it and then kind of use a pendulum. You'll
Speaker 2: use a little leverage or just snap the tree. But
Speaker 2: that only works on dead trees. You know, if it's
Speaker 2: something live, green tree, you're gonna be pulling at it's
Speaker 2: just gonnaband and bend and not snap. If anything is
Speaker 2: gonna you know, shove me back on the ground. So
Speaker 2: then I was just so confused about that. I didn't
Speaker 2: know what to do. I just looked everything start stared
Speaker 2: there for a while. Realized it was already getting pretty
Speaker 2: dark at that point, because it took me forever to
Speaker 2: get up there, and I'm like, well, either I had
Speaker 2: to keep going forward to get to my shelter or
Speaker 2: head back to the truck, and I just didn't really
Speaker 2: didn't feel like staying there with only having a Ruger
Speaker 2: ten twenty two rifle on me, and that's I used
Speaker 2: to carry a survival knife, a bushcraft knife, and a
Speaker 2: Ruger ten twenty two, but that was mostly used for
Speaker 2: just planking and squirrel hunting and rabbit hunting. I just
Speaker 2: had like a big fear of me whatever this thing
Speaker 2: was able to, you know, just completely snap that branch
Speaker 2: that by twenty two was going to do nothing. So
Speaker 2: I decided to leave and I hiked back out, and
Speaker 2: that's basically the the first half of my encounter with Andre.
Speaker 1: Just really interesting. This is a very unique to count
Speaker 1: you would say, I haven't gotten many like these. I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna refer to as Andre. Was Andre wearing any
Speaker 1: clothes then, or was it like pretty much nothing? Okay?
Speaker 2: Nothing?
Speaker 1: You mentioned at one point there was fur this individual.
Speaker 1: Was it covered with fur or was hair or what
Speaker 1: did you notice in that?
Speaker 2: It looked like kind of like my old high school
Speaker 2: gym teacher, Like he take his shirt off and he
Speaker 2: just had his hair his whole body. But the thing,
Speaker 2: it was crazy. I've never seen somebody with that much
Speaker 2: hair over their chests and their arms and their neck
Speaker 2: and all that without you know, it's always like curly hair.
Speaker 2: All this hair was straight. It was a lot of
Speaker 2: hair over the whole body, except for like over the
Speaker 2: pecks of the chest, like where the nipple would be.
Speaker 2: It was kind of bald right there, and then on
Speaker 2: the center like where the belly would be kind of
Speaker 2: kind of balding right there. But all the hair was straight.
Speaker 2: There was no curly hair. It was all real straight,
Speaker 2: really fine hair.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, is there a color that kind of stood out
Speaker 1: about andre?
Speaker 2: Well? If anything? I would say it was kind of
Speaker 2: like a reddish brown, but kind of like like if
Speaker 2: you have like a chocolate lab or something. But it
Speaker 2: was like that, but like if it was really aged,
Speaker 2: like very old, like if a lot of that hair
Speaker 2: had already turned like gray and white. You know, like
Speaker 2: if it was younger, it would have been like looking
Speaker 2: like a chocolate lab. But it just looked so old,
Speaker 2: like a lot of the hair had turned gray. It
Speaker 2: was really faded. You know.
Speaker 1: How tall would you say it was.
Speaker 2: For the heigh of the head where that branch was,
Speaker 2: I'm just estimating probably about eight and a half foot
Speaker 2: up to where that branch was where it smacked its
Speaker 2: head on.
Speaker 1: Definitely. Did you notice anything about the arms, the arm lengths,
Speaker 1: anything like that.
Speaker 2: Well, when he put his like forearm up to put
Speaker 2: his hand on the branch to like push the branch
Speaker 2: out of the way that it smacked its head on,
Speaker 2: the arms still had like really huge muscles in the arms.
Speaker 2: It was like, you know, it was you know, like
Speaker 2: Schwarzenegger back in the day, but just like a lot
Speaker 2: of hair. It looked extremely muscular. But at the same
Speaker 2: time it looked like if it was like overweight. You know.
Speaker 2: Now I'm a big guy, you know, so I was
Speaker 2: just like kind of judging off myself of you know,
Speaker 2: how my body structure looks, you know, at that time,
Speaker 2: being about three point fifty and prior I did do
Speaker 2: a little bit of wrestling and MMA fighting. I did
Speaker 2: use the train, but I never got extremely yoked. You know.
Speaker 2: I was never a bodybuilder, but I know it's like
Speaker 2: to have some muscle mass with fat over it, and
Speaker 2: just kind of looking from what I saw compared to
Speaker 2: the height to the like the build of my body
Speaker 2: and all that. You know, I was honestly nothing had
Speaker 2: weigh you know, seven hundred pounds or something or eight
Speaker 2: hundred pounds at least, you know, but I did. I
Speaker 2: did see a lot of good amount of muscle, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, were there any points where it was walking
Speaker 1: and you saw the arms, they were kind of like
Speaker 1: down by its side at all.
Speaker 2: Almost the whole way that it was walking, the arms were,
Speaker 2: you know, hanging down towards the waist. It never put
Speaker 2: its arms up until it hit the tree branch. The
Speaker 2: whole time I was walking, I was just kind of
Speaker 2: like walking with his arms down on his side, but
Speaker 2: they were kind of slightly swaying maybe back and forth
Speaker 2: about a foot foot and a half or so. But
Speaker 2: it wasn't like swinging its arms as it was walking.
Speaker 2: It was just kind of just slaying the side to
Speaker 2: side as it was facing me.
Speaker 1: And if you had to imagine, like let's imagine the
Speaker 1: hands are you know, the arms are by the side
Speaker 1: it's walking. How far down would the tips of the
Speaker 1: finger on the hands go. Are they going above the
Speaker 1: knee or are they going way down the.
Speaker 2: Leg past that probably like choos the knee.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, hands were massive. Were the hands covered with
Speaker 1: with fur or hair or could you see like the
Speaker 1: actual fingers and the I could.
Speaker 2: I could see I could see fingers of the hands,
Speaker 2: you know, and then I couldn't really see fingernails though.
Speaker 2: But do you remember when it put its forearm in
Speaker 2: front of it to grab that tree, it looked like
Speaker 2: its fingers almost touched each other on the other side
Speaker 2: of the tree branch when it was going to break it,
Speaker 2: because the side I was looking at, I was on
Speaker 2: the side that the I was between him and the
Speaker 2: tree branch, you know. So he put put his arm up,
Speaker 2: his fingers went around the branch, and on the other
Speaker 2: side it looked like his fingers almost touched. And when
Speaker 2: I went up there, that tree branch was, you know,
Speaker 2: four or five inches stick, you know, maybe six inches
Speaker 2: I thought I was six, but probably four or five
Speaker 2: inches stick. And as I'm sitting there, I'm holding the
Speaker 2: handle of the little walking stick that I got, and
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a bicycle grip size, you know,
Speaker 2: And I'm holding onto that in my hand, and I'm
Speaker 2: looking at it like me and my fingers wrapped around
Speaker 2: my thumb touch my you know, index finger, and my
Speaker 2: thumbs barely touching there, holding on that bike grip thing,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking at that thing, and I was thinking
Speaker 2: how big is a hand have to be to go
Speaker 2: around that big old piece of tree and touch the fingers?
Speaker 2: You know? Oh?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Did you notice? I don't know if you got
Speaker 1: the chance to count, but how many fingers it had
Speaker 1: on each hand?
Speaker 2: Oh? I looked. It just looked like a normal human hand,
Speaker 2: kind of like it did look like it had its
Speaker 2: thumb and five, you know, four fingers. You know, I
Speaker 2: didn't see any looked like extra or less that I
Speaker 2: could tell. It just look like kind of like.
Speaker 1: A human hand, got it. You mentioned there was a
Speaker 1: time when you were actually having prolonged eye contact as
Speaker 1: you both were walking. Did you so, I would imagine
Speaker 1: that you're able to you were able to look into
Speaker 1: the eyes. Do you remember were there any whites to
Speaker 1: the eyes at all? Or was it maybe all dark?
Speaker 2: No, it was like really yellow. Kind of remind me
Speaker 2: of We had a a neighbor for a while that
Speaker 2: was a really bad alcoholic and you had all kinds
Speaker 2: of kidney failure and he was constantly like going in
Speaker 2: for a dialysis and you know, filter in his blood
Speaker 2: off machines and all that. But uh, I don't know
Speaker 2: what they it was, what it was called, but he
Speaker 2: had something that when your kidneys go bad stops filtering,
Speaker 2: but uh, your eyes go all yellow and kind of
Speaker 2: red like bloodshot looking right or was it not jaundice
Speaker 2: or I can't remember what it was called, but it
Speaker 2: looked like my neighbor that was like the bad alcoholic
Speaker 2: just really yellow eyes, and the pupils were just like
Speaker 2: solid like dark brown or black, just really yellow and
Speaker 2: just looking like sick, like you know, I didn't see
Speaker 2: no bright white at all.
Speaker 1: Okay, were but it definitely had a pupil, yes, okay.
Speaker 1: Did the head have a shape to it at all?
Speaker 2: It looked just like Under the Giant from wrestling from
Speaker 2: back in the eighties as far as like the way
Speaker 2: his forehead came down and like his eyebrow line how
Speaker 2: it kind of came out, and like the kind of
Speaker 2: wier nose on his face and everything like really similar
Speaker 2: to like Andrea the Giant.
Speaker 1: So definitely from what I'm hearing, I'm hearing not like
Speaker 1: a conical shape head, just like a big old head.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: Interesting, What kind of neck did this guy have?
Speaker 2: It was really short. It was like almost like the
Speaker 2: head was just like right on the collarbone, like there
Speaker 2: wasn't I didn't really see too much of a neck
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: Did you notice any details about the forehead or the
Speaker 1: the area above the eyes when you were looking at.
Speaker 2: It, Just how the forehead kind of came down, and
Speaker 2: then where the eyebrows were be it looked like, you know,
Speaker 2: like the bones like around the eye socket were like
Speaker 2: kind of like overemphasized, like you know, they were really large,
Speaker 2: like behind where your eyebrows would be, like if almost
Speaker 2: there was like a finger like under the skin. You know,
Speaker 2: they were like, you know, not like a roll of pennies,
Speaker 2: but it was like, you know, just something way larger
Speaker 2: under the eyebrows that made that part of the lower
Speaker 2: part of the forehead stick out so far.
Speaker 1: It sounds like definitely a pronounced brow ridge, kind of
Speaker 1: like when you see those old movies with Neanderthals and
Speaker 1: you just got that really large bone structure right above
Speaker 1: the eyes where just kind of a roll of pennies
Speaker 1: is a good way to say it. Did you notice
Speaker 1: anything out of the ordinary about the nose.
Speaker 2: Just that it was wide, That was about it. And
Speaker 2: there was no hair on the nose at all. I
Speaker 2: didn't see any hair on there or no pair coming
Speaker 2: out from the nose either, and there was like no
Speaker 2: like mustache. Really all the hair was from like the
Speaker 2: lower lipt downward and kind of high up on the cheeks,
Speaker 2: but there was nothing on the nose or the upper
Speaker 2: lip as far as hair.
Speaker 1: Was. The nose smushed like it had been smushed against
Speaker 1: the face.
Speaker 2: I remember it being really broad and wide, and it
Speaker 2: wasn't really sticking out far for as white as it was.
Speaker 2: Let you think it'd be like, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: proportionate like with the length, but it wasn't really sticking
Speaker 2: out that far compared to how white it was.
Speaker 1: Had nostrils like hooded, Yeah, yeah, gotcha. Anything out of
Speaker 1: the ordinary with the mouth was it was it wide?
Speaker 1: Anything you noticed?
Speaker 2: It wasn't too over white. But I kept remembering trying
Speaker 2: to look to see if I could see teeth, and
Speaker 2: then especially when it yelled, it opened its mouth, but
Speaker 2: I didn't see I was trying to see if it
Speaker 2: had like animal teeth or like human teeth, but I
Speaker 2: just never saw teeth. I remember I kept looking trying
Speaker 2: to see if I could see teeth, but I just
Speaker 2: never saw teeth.
Speaker 1: Okay, interesting, So there was never a like a bearing
Speaker 1: teeth at you or anything like thought.
Speaker 2: No, No, the only the whole time, it was just
Speaker 2: like I don't know if I like being watched, like
Speaker 2: if he was watching me, like you know I had
Speaker 2: like a security guard following me, or if he was
Speaker 2: just watching me to make sure I wasn't like a threat,
Speaker 2: you know, just like he was doing security you know,
Speaker 2: like he's the one like, hey, you need I see
Speaker 2: you like you very stay back, you know. But I
Speaker 2: never during that whole incident, I never felt any threat.
Speaker 2: And even when he yelled when he hit his head,
Speaker 2: I didn't get scared like he was.
Speaker 1: Yelling at me big so society will be right back
Speaker 1: after these messages, I.
Speaker 2: Could tell that obviously he was just he yelled at
Speaker 2: the tree like he was at the tree like stugger dough.
Speaker 2: You know. It's just like an outburst you know, from
Speaker 2: pain exactly. But it wasn't directed. It wasn't it wasn't
Speaker 2: looking downward towards me when he yelled or anything. It
Speaker 2: wasn't directed towards me at all. So I never got
Speaker 2: that fear of, oh, you know, he's coming for me,
Speaker 2: you know anything like that.
Speaker 1: Sure, different creatures have different ways of walking, right, every
Speaker 1: everything has its gait, its way of walking. Did you
Speaker 1: notice anything about the way that the Andre creature was
Speaker 1: walking that you're like, man, that is really unique. There's
Speaker 1: something different about the way that it's moving.
Speaker 2: I just noticed that when it started to walk. After
Speaker 2: like I was just looking around, and I first spotted
Speaker 2: it when it first started to pace me, when I
Speaker 2: when I was like what, I started to walk and
Speaker 2: I was staring at it. Then when it first started
Speaker 2: to walk, it was limping, like if it was favoring
Speaker 2: one leg over the other, like a lot, like if
Speaker 2: one leg had an injury or something. You know, like
Speaker 2: if you had like you got a cast on one foot,
Speaker 2: you know, with one of those walking boots or whatever,
Speaker 2: and you're just like walking anyways, but you know one's not.
Speaker 1: Working, right, I got ya? I got ya. Uh did
Speaker 1: it have good posture at all? Or was it you know, no,
Speaker 1: it was.
Speaker 2: Kind of kind of slunched over a bit, you know,
Speaker 2: wasn't it wasn't really like hump back, you know, like
Speaker 2: not Tre Dame, you know, but it looked like it
Speaker 2: was the whole time, it was slunched a bit forward.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's that's really interesting. So Archura, this is this
Speaker 1: is such an interesting one, and I almost have to ask, like,
Speaker 1: do you think you were looking at a bigfoot or
Speaker 1: a sasquatch or do you think you were looking at
Speaker 1: something else?
Speaker 2: The whole thing of bigfoot and sasquatch never really came
Speaker 2: to my mind until I started doing research. But what
Speaker 2: I thought, really, I thought I saw a caveman or
Speaker 2: like a giant, right because I was thinking to Andrea
Speaker 2: the giant. So I started doing a lot of research
Speaker 2: on the giants, you know, and I got found out
Speaker 2: about giganticism and things like that, and I thought it
Speaker 2: was maybe that for a little bit, But then a
Speaker 2: lot of the research I was looking at that most
Speaker 2: people with giganticism don't live that long because they're you know,
Speaker 2: pituitary glands whatever their body is like overgrowing so quick
Speaker 2: that they most people die like in their twenties or thirties,
Speaker 2: you know. And this thing was really old man status,
Speaker 2: you know, like there was you know, a normal human
Speaker 2: had there been eighties or nineties, you know, maybe pushing
Speaker 2: a hundred. So I'm like, there's no way this could
Speaker 2: be a person with jack andism because they die so young,
Speaker 2: you know, because they're the way their body overgrows and
Speaker 2: they just can't handle it and their heart gives out.
Speaker 2: So I was looking at that, and then I started
Speaker 2: getting these stories about the giants that were found on
Speaker 2: Catalina Island and some of New Mexico in a cave
Speaker 2: that the natives had been battling for a while. And
Speaker 2: that kind of caught my interest because they said that
Speaker 2: those the you know, tribe of giant people that the
Speaker 2: locals had been fighting, had red hair, big red beards
Speaker 2: and long red hair, and what I saw had kind
Speaker 2: of that reddish chocolate hair. So that so I started,
Speaker 2: you know, I started going down that path, you know,
Speaker 2: trying to find out about you know, these giants that
Speaker 2: had been supposedly, you know fighting the natives, and they
Speaker 2: cornered him in his cave, and instead of losing anybody else,
Speaker 2: I built a big giant fire in front of the
Speaker 2: cave to smoke them out and you know, just kill
Speaker 2: them by you know, carbon monoxide poisoning or whatever. And
Speaker 2: so that kind of led me down that path for
Speaker 2: a while. And then and then from that it started
Speaker 2: turning towards cryptids, you know, doing research kind of. And
Speaker 2: then Bigfoot came up quite a bit of times, but
Speaker 2: I never really just put my finger on it. Oh,
Speaker 2: I saw the Bigfoot because in my mind it just,
Speaker 2: you know, was always a cave man. You know.
Speaker 1: It's extremely interesting. Did you ever look to see if
Speaker 1: there had been other sightings in that same area of
Speaker 1: things that are the ordinary like what you saw?
Speaker 2: Well, well, let me get to the second part of
Speaker 2: the Southern California thing. Oh. Absolutely after that, after that incident,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say probably it was almost like exactly about
Speaker 2: fourteen years ago to the day, almost my birthdays, we'll
Speaker 2: just say my birthdays this week. And it was the
Speaker 2: same week of my birthday in twenty ten, and I
Speaker 2: had made it out to my Bushcraft shelters hang out
Speaker 2: overnight and I was I was actually like in the
Speaker 2: middle of a breakup with the girlfriend and all that.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'm just gonna disappear for
Speaker 2: a while. I'm gonna go out in the woods, you know,
Speaker 2: unwine relaxed. So I got me a bottle of Jack
Speaker 2: Daniels and got me some mrs. For a couple of days.
Speaker 2: There's a freeze drive food. I'm like, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go hang out the creek. And I was out there,
Speaker 2: and southern California has a lot of wildfires. You know,
Speaker 2: it's the same with Oregon where I'm at currently. But
Speaker 2: there was night that I was sitting there sleeping. I
Speaker 2: had just finished, you know, hanging out, chilling and drinking.
Speaker 2: And I had a little portable bluetooth speaker with an
Speaker 2: MP three player that you know, you download the music whatever,
Speaker 2: and I listened to that and my battery died on
Speaker 2: the MP three player. So I was like, well, I
Speaker 2: guess that's a wrap. You know, it's time to go
Speaker 2: to bed. So I had laid down in the little
Speaker 2: raised bed I'd built in my shelter, and I had
Speaker 2: a small fire going in my shelter, but like in
Speaker 2: the cave entrance part to where you like I was saying,
Speaker 2: the smoke would pull away and all that. I just
Speaker 2: get a little radiant heat, little light. But it was
Speaker 2: like a really hot night, so I wasn't really had
Speaker 2: a big fire going, so I could smell the smoke
Speaker 2: from my fire, but not really too bad. And I'd
Speaker 2: been laying down for about a half hours, almost asleep,
Speaker 2: and then I heard like a fult the side of
Speaker 2: my shelter. I was like, what was that is, like
Speaker 2: if a bird flew into the side or something. And
Speaker 2: I was thinking, oh, well, there's a lot of owls
Speaker 2: around there, and there's a lot of bats from the
Speaker 2: caves around there, and I was like, waybe a hour
Speaker 2: or bird or something flew into the shelter. About a
Speaker 2: minute goes by, I heard another one, another one. Then
Speaker 2: it starts getting louder, and it's like a more faster,
Speaker 2: just like a rapid pace, things hitting the side of
Speaker 2: my shelter. I guess to the point where I could
Speaker 2: hear the things hitting my shelter and then kind of
Speaker 2: rolling away down the slope. So I was like, so
Speaker 2: we're throwing rocks at my you know, at my spot.
Speaker 2: I was like, what the And by then I had
Speaker 2: already stopped carrying my Ruger ten twenty two and started
Speaker 2: carrying my glock to forty five APC with some heavy
Speaker 2: hard cast bullets, some buffalo boards, you know, plus beefs,
Speaker 2: you know, some bear stopping rounds. Because there had recently
Speaker 2: been a lot of spottings of mountain lions in the
Speaker 2: area and a couple mountain biers that had been attacked
Speaker 2: on the Orange County side of the mountain. So I
Speaker 2: had my pistol. I was like, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go outside, maybe just pop around off on the dirt,
Speaker 2: chase the people off, and to go to sleep. And
Speaker 2: then there became an urgency to it. Right as I'm
Speaker 2: like trying to debate whether or not to go out
Speaker 2: of the shelter and you know, maybe yell, scream a
Speaker 2: little bit or whatever, I'm like, all right, well, something's
Speaker 2: got to be done. So right as I'm like putting
Speaker 2: my headlamp on and turning the light on on my firearm,
Speaker 2: I go to stand up in the shelter and there's
Speaker 2: a pause for a minute, and then it rock hits
Speaker 2: my shelter. That was so big it broke the wall
Speaker 2: down on the entry like could be the I don't
Speaker 2: know the southwest corner of my structure, but the very
Speaker 2: outside corner. There's a couple pieces of the timber that
Speaker 2: came out further right. Hanging things off on the outside,
Speaker 2: you know, hanging Europe or swimming in the creek, you know,
Speaker 2: hang up the shorts up there to dry off or whatever.
Speaker 2: But a rock had got thrown out the shelter that
Speaker 2: was so big, so hard that it ripped that whole
Speaker 2: wall and my shelter open. So all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I'm standing there and the whole left wall my shelter
Speaker 2: just gets ripped open, leans over, and it's the boards
Speaker 2: are like still attached together because I had used a
Speaker 2: pair of cord five fifty cord to lasso the walls together.
Speaker 2: But it hit hard enough we're it ripped out all
Speaker 2: the pair of cort up and down the steam. The
Speaker 2: wall stayed intact, and it just ripped the wall open,
Speaker 2: like two feet three feet open. That's when I was like,
Speaker 2: what could possibly do that? Like you had to hit
Speaker 2: it with the truck or something. So I go swing
Speaker 2: the do open to go out of the shelter, and
Speaker 2: I look to that side because that's where the wall
Speaker 2: came off. It was pitch black, nothing, and then I
Speaker 2: realized that there's a lot of smoke everywhere. I look
Speaker 2: back to the right that's going down the valley towards
Speaker 2: where the road is where I hike in, and I
Speaker 2: noticed that the whole hillside is on fire, all the
Speaker 2: way up the valley, all the way up the creek,
Speaker 2: where my whole path where I go to get in
Speaker 2: there is completely on fire. Then fire's coming up the hill.
Speaker 2: You know, it comes uphill a lot quicker than down here.
Speaker 2: But the fire's coming uphill towards me. So I freak out,
Speaker 2: get in my shelter. I'd throw on this Alice pack
Speaker 2: I'd gotten from a buddy. Then Military is my favorite pack.
Speaker 2: But anyways, I throw my Alice pack on, go out
Speaker 2: of the shelter. I'm looking around, looking around, trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what's going on. That's when I see this
Speaker 2: massive rock on the floor that's like over a foot
Speaker 2: maybe foot and a half a diameter, laying right outside
Speaker 2: on the side of the wall the shelter. And I
Speaker 2: was like, that rock is what broke the wall. And
Speaker 2: then I started thinking what could have thrown that rock?
Speaker 2: You know, how that rock could have fallen off the hill,
Speaker 2: would have came down and hit the roof of my shelter.
Speaker 2: You know, it's obviously thrown from an angle from like
Speaker 2: from the creek. I'm looking at this big rock. I
Speaker 2: freak out. I see the fire getting closer. I'm just
Speaker 2: like screw. This started going up the valley, up the
Speaker 2: hill towards where the dried out waterfalls were, and they
Speaker 2: had a rope that was tied to the side, and
Speaker 2: sometimes in the waters high the kids will go up
Speaker 2: there and swing off the rope and jump into the creek.
Speaker 2: But I knew if I got to where that rope was,
Speaker 2: I could pull myself up the dry waterfall and I'd
Speaker 2: beat to an area that was only grad and dirt,
Speaker 2: and there was no trees or shrubs, you know, nothing
Speaker 2: made her to catch fire. So I made my way
Speaker 2: over there, and I got over there, and I was
Speaker 2: having a lot of difficulty firing that rope. I was
Speaker 2: looking in a panic stak. You know, I'm already out
Speaker 2: of breath, you know. I just hooked it like a
Speaker 2: good you know, quarter mile, half a mile as quick
Speaker 2: as I could to get to that waterfall as the
Speaker 2: fire fall of me. Then I started noticing in the
Speaker 2: hillsides around me. I could see some light from the
Speaker 2: fire trucks, and I didn't see a water dropping helicopter,
Speaker 2: but usually they wouldn't drop water at night. Usually the
Speaker 2: only fly in the daytime. So I'm like looking around,
Speaker 2: looking around. I finally find the rope, get up that
Speaker 2: little waterfall. I get to a dry flat spot and
Speaker 2: then I just sit down in the dirt and I'm
Speaker 2: watching the fire go up through the up through the
Speaker 2: little valley, and then exactly where that band was when
Speaker 2: my shelter was. That whole thing is burst into flames, ripped, roaring,
Speaker 2: and I'm sitting up there on the dirt looking watching
Speaker 2: my whole shelters burn to the ground. And then I
Speaker 2: was kind of just like shocked at all. Man, I
Speaker 2: just all that work I've been put into for you know,
Speaker 2: six seven months building that shelter, It's just burnt to nothing.
Speaker 2: And then I started thinking about, well, what threw that rock?
Speaker 2: And then right as I'm thinking that, my dog does
Speaker 2: this thing where he just kind of starts flipping out,
Speaker 2: like you hears something. My dog goes taking off running again.
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, get back here, get back here,
Speaker 2: and he goes tooking off, running kind of towards the fire.
Speaker 2: And then I was thinking that was Andre. That had
Speaker 2: to have been Andre. That was, you know, throwing those
Speaker 2: little rocks at my shelter, trying to like warn me,
Speaker 2: and I was just ignoring it. So that's when it
Speaker 2: just threw that massive rock and just busted the whole
Speaker 2: wall down to tell me, like, hey, get out of there.
Speaker 2: You know, you gotta go and then that's when I
Speaker 2: was like, that thing just saved me, A thing just
Speaker 2: saved my life. You know. Then I came over this
Speaker 2: like overwhelming, like emotional feelings where like I almost busted
Speaker 2: down in tears, almost crying. I'm just sitting there. And
Speaker 2: I just sat there on that ridge all night till
Speaker 2: the sun came up, watching the watching everything burned down.
Speaker 2: And that morning, once the sun was up real good,
Speaker 2: I was able to find a nice path to hike out,
Speaker 2: and hiked out and left, and I've never been there since,
Speaker 2: and it's been almost about fourteen years since the day.
Speaker 1: That is incredible. I mean it honestly sounds like Andre
Speaker 1: wanted you saved.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I can't think of anything else that would have
Speaker 2: you know, it was capable of doing that, you know,
Speaker 2: or would have done that. You know that just the
Speaker 2: physical ability of lifting the rock that large and throwing
Speaker 2: it so hard that it busted a whole wall off
Speaker 2: my shelter. You know, I built that thing. Well, you know.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, is there a reason that you haven't been back
Speaker 1: in fourteen years or it just just hasn't happened.
Speaker 2: Well, after everything burned down, I was so confused, while
Speaker 2: well Andre was and all that, you know, And I,
Speaker 2: like I said, never felt threatened by him. But I
Speaker 2: was like, well, if there's one, there might be more.
Speaker 2: And what if the other ones aren't looking out for me?
Speaker 2: You know, this was able to do so much stuff
Speaker 2: to help save me, protect my life. You know, how
Speaker 2: quick could one of those take my life? You know,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, my forty five didn't seem like
Speaker 2: it was going to do anything, you know, so I
Speaker 2: just got real cautious and I was like, you know,
Speaker 2: I got to figure out what's out there, you know.
Speaker 2: And I started getting close to there, like and I
Speaker 2: had a neighbor that worked in those orchards over there
Speaker 2: at the bottom of the hill, and we were talking
Speaker 2: about the fire one day, and he was older bicycle,
Speaker 2: older Mexican guy. I'm half Mexican, and we were talking
Speaker 2: in Spanish and then he was telling me he was
Speaker 2: like oh and I saw him like, oh, I had
Speaker 2: a little, you know, a little cabin there and all that.
Speaker 2: And then he said, oh, will be careful when you're
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Big, so society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: As to why, and then he's like, oh, well, he said,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's when he said he said, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, the the mountain people are there and all that,
Speaker 2: like were you're talking about. You know, I didn't acknowledge
Speaker 2: anything of you know what I fought Andrea, and then
Speaker 2: he just said, oh, there's there's just some big, scary
Speaker 2: people there, so we just we avoid that area. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just be careful when you're out there, you know. Well,
Speaker 2: that's the only reference that I heard from anybody of
Speaker 2: you know, anything being in that area.
Speaker 1: Wow, it sounds like sounds like he knew something was
Speaker 1: going on, for sure. That is really interesting. I think
Speaker 1: this interview might open up, so I'm not sure what
Speaker 1: to think about our turo. This is a really really
Speaker 1: interesting one. To be interesting to see what the comments
Speaker 1: are like on this one, for sure. Man, I've never
Speaker 1: heard it described like that before. Just the way it looks,
Speaker 1: it's really weird. Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 2: No problem.
Speaker 1: The one that we were talking about before a few
Speaker 1: hours ago. That, Yeah, that one is incredibly I want
Speaker 1: to hear the whole story of this one coming up.
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, Well fast forward to this actually happened
Speaker 2: like at the beginning of the whole Rona deal and
Speaker 2: all that, you know, during lockdowns and all that, but
Speaker 2: tired of that. I had been working for a sanitation
Speaker 2: company doing porta potties and pumping out RVs and holding
Speaker 2: tanks and things like that for one of the larger
Speaker 2: companies in southern Oregon. But I had a pretty thorough
Speaker 2: background and off roading and things like that. And the
Speaker 2: boss found out that, you know, I had a lot
Speaker 2: of you know, skills with equipment in you know, peep woods,
Speaker 2: sand trained desert snow mud, you know, the red clay,
Speaker 2: all kinds of stuff. And I was one of the
Speaker 2: newer guys, and they had sent me on a call
Speaker 2: to where a lot of people had gotten stuck in
Speaker 2: the trucks. Because those trucks are pretty heavy, you know,
Speaker 2: most of them. We have about a thousand gallon holding
Speaker 2: tank and maybe four hundred gallon freshwater tank for cleaning
Speaker 2: the units out and refilling the water and all that.
Speaker 2: But they're pretty heavy. Most of them are only tool
Speaker 2: driving fibers get stuck everywhere. And the boss was just
Speaker 2: paying toe bills to recover all these trucks. And then
Speaker 2: he said, hey, one of the guys said that you know,
Speaker 2: you know your you know your way around off road
Speaker 2: and all that, and I said yeah, and he said, hey,
Speaker 2: we got a bunch of units toilets this guy that
Speaker 2: paid his bill in months. And we sent a couple
Speaker 2: of people out there to pick them up. But everybody
Speaker 2: gets stuck trying to get out there. You know, you
Speaker 2: think you could do it. So I went out there
Speaker 2: and lower tire pressure, used low gears and everything, and
Speaker 2: with the two wheel drive three point fifty, I got
Speaker 2: out there, got the units, brought them back, and then
Speaker 2: from that day on, after that first week of working there,
Speaker 2: like all the rural mountain routes and all the four
Speaker 2: off locations, those became my routes. There was this valley
Speaker 2: in southern Oregon, were quite a bit of grow sites
Speaker 2: and there was a lot of gold mines, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of claims out there, but it was all
Speaker 2: off four service roads and little plots of private property,
Speaker 2: but most of it was in the you know, US
Speaker 2: four service and things like that are off the edges
Speaker 2: of you know, state parks and stuff. But so I
Speaker 2: end up getting this route going out to these locations
Speaker 2: where basically go to these locations at directions would be
Speaker 2: you know, three quarters a mile down this road and
Speaker 2: you see fork in the road. You know, look for
Speaker 2: the bent tree. Makeer right, you know, go down to
Speaker 2: the you know, abandoned double wide, make a left. You know,
Speaker 2: they're all no addresses or anything like that. And I got
Speaker 2: real good at navigating out there, and over a point
Speaker 2: of about four and a half five year period of
Speaker 2: going out to these real rural sites where whether they're
Speaker 2: gold mining or growing, security is like of the utmost thing.
Speaker 2: Like everybody there's real you know, real unfriendly to newcomers
Speaker 2: and outsiders and all that. And you know, people will
Speaker 2: start driving up the hill and a lot of the
Speaker 2: people they get on their CB radios start talking like, hey,
Speaker 2: there's you know, a white truck coming up to you know,
Speaker 2: anybody expected visitors or we see a new vehicle or
Speaker 2: you know there's a sheriff on the highway or whatever.
Speaker 2: It was. Everybody kind of washed out for each other
Speaker 2: because they all had their things going on, you know,
Speaker 2: legal or unlegal, but everybody was real hushed about it.
Speaker 2: But uh, no matter how tight security is, you know,
Speaker 2: everybody loves the guy. You know, that's one thing you need.
Speaker 2: You know, all those growth sites, gold mines, they all
Speaker 2: have porta potties or RVs that need to be pumped out,
Speaker 2: you know, so like you go up the mountain to
Speaker 2: service them. You know, some would be on a weekly
Speaker 2: basis and would be once a month, you know, depending
Speaker 2: on what was going on. But you know, being uh,
Speaker 2: being the porta partty guy, you get asked to a
Speaker 2: lot of spots where nobody's allowed it. You know. I
Speaker 2: became pretty close friends with a lot of these old
Speaker 2: timers up there, and one of them, uh, we'll just say, uh,
Speaker 2: there are a lot of old like h Vietnam vets
Speaker 2: and things like that, majority of them and a couple
Speaker 2: of moonshiners up there. But there's one gentleman in particular
Speaker 2: that when I used to go start services site, he
Speaker 2: had a old camper trailer that hadn't been from like
Speaker 2: the seventies or eighties, falling apart just you know, the
Speaker 2: whole roof was like three tarps, you know, glued on
Speaker 2: duc dape. He had this old Dodge pickup and just
Speaker 2: really run down camp. But I'd go out there and
Speaker 2: he had a porta party that I would service, and
Speaker 2: then he also had his HARV that i'd pump out
Speaker 2: and when the winner would come, we'd get good enough
Speaker 2: snow and all that that that even the customers up
Speaker 2: there would have trouble getting out, so they kind of
Speaker 2: stock upon supplies for you know, a month and a half,
Speaker 2: two month periods sometimes where they couldn't get out either.
Speaker 2: And but basically the way to get service did either
Speaker 2: be on a set schedule or they'd call for service,
Speaker 2: and sometimes they wouldn't be able to, you know, call
Speaker 2: for service whatever it so would be in the area,
Speaker 2: and it was kind of customer we were used to
Speaker 2: going to the boss will be like, oh, we'll swing
Speaker 2: by X location see if they need service you while
Speaker 2: I'm up there, you know. And at one point winter
Speaker 2: had started passing, and I came back up at the
Speaker 2: beginning of the next spring, and I noticed that that
Speaker 2: old guy, we'll just say, Whiskey Pete whatever, because he
Speaker 2: did his own shine, moonshine and all that stuff too,
Speaker 2: But Whiskey Pete. I go up to Whiskey Pete and
Speaker 2: he doesn't have this beat up old Dodge Ram anymore
Speaker 2: in his nineteen seventies trailer. All of a sudden, he's
Speaker 2: got a brand new four f five to fifty super
Speaker 2: duty four by four. His old beat up John Deere
Speaker 2: tractor he has. Now he's got brand new skid steer,
Speaker 2: like a forty foot big text trailer with a brand
Speaker 2: new Kbota tractor sitting on there, and really nice fifth
Speaker 2: wheel trailer, all brand like, all equipment and everything on
Speaker 2: the whole site was all brand new everything. I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: what's going on? Bro? I was like, I thought I
Speaker 2: was at the wrong spot, and I started talking to
Speaker 2: him and then he just told me, He's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: things have been crazy around here. You know, that's why
Speaker 2: why I came to meet you at the bar. I
Speaker 2: was just sure who was coming up and their whole
Speaker 2: normal paranoid thing. And that's when I was kind of confusing.
Speaker 2: He came down with that brand new F five fifty,
Speaker 2: so I ended up going up there go to pump
Speaker 2: out his new trailer and all I'm looking around like, dude,
Speaker 2: how did you get all this stuff? And then he
Speaker 2: told me he's just like, hey, man, and a lot
Speaker 2: of the guys want to talk to each other a
Speaker 2: lot of things, but like everybody saw me as the outsiders,
Speaker 2: like you know, the safe guy, you know, the porta
Speaker 2: potty guy. So they confide to me a lot of things,
Speaker 2: and he just telled me. He's like, hey, man, I
Speaker 2: hit a vein. I said, what does that mean. He's like, dude,
Speaker 2: I found some gold. I was like, you say that
Speaker 2: every week when I'm up here, you know, and he's like, no,
Speaker 2: I found gold. So I saw I bought all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And he's telling me the yeah, I've already sent a
Speaker 2: lot of money to my family. And he's like, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I hit a vein. And I'm like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: cool man, congrats and all that stuff. And I was like,
Speaker 2: it just a lot of equipment, you know, just that
Speaker 2: f five fifty. I was like, I don't know, one
Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars truck, you know. And he was telling me,
Speaker 2: he's like, everything's paid in full. That's when I was like, man,
Speaker 2: maybe he really did get lucky. And then winter really
Speaker 2: started like setting in and I'm like, all right, well,
Speaker 2: you know, it's gonna be a while before I see
Speaker 2: him again. I'm like, all right, well, you know, I
Speaker 2: dropped off a holding tank firm. It's a large, like
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty gallon tank you just put on
Speaker 2: the floor and run your RV to it for a
Speaker 2: little extra you know, storage. The last through the snow,
Speaker 2: and then I was getting ready to leave, and then
Speaker 2: the guy gave me a three hundred dollars tip, right,
Speaker 2: and I'm like sweet man, and he's like, eh, you know,
Speaker 2: get something for the kids for Christmas. I'm like, cool man.
Speaker 2: I had a lot of customers that would dip me
Speaker 2: twenty bucks here and there, or you know, hey we're barbecuing,
Speaker 2: you know, you want some ribs or something like that,
Speaker 2: but I'd never really gotten any large tips before. So
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, cool. I pocketed it and everything,
Speaker 2: and I took off, went on route, started talking to
Speaker 2: other people. And as soon as I started going to
Speaker 2: the other pro sites and too the other you know,
Speaker 2: mining claims, everybody started thrilling me questions right away, like hey,
Speaker 2: what did you see up there? What's going on? But
Speaker 2: done like no, no, I went up there service for them.
Speaker 2: They're like, hey, did you see where you know? Where's
Speaker 2: the new tractor? Where's the people are asking all these
Speaker 2: questions like what's going on dude, like for reals, and
Speaker 2: they said, oh, well, we know he found gold, but
Speaker 2: he's he's basically closed off the camp. Nobody's come up
Speaker 2: here with the camp for a while. He doesn't let
Speaker 2: anybody in anymore, like or like you're the first person
Speaker 2: who's been up there in the months. He don't let
Speaker 2: anybody in there anymore. And he barely gets on the
Speaker 2: radio to communicate anymore. And I'm like, oh, I was like,
Speaker 2: I don't know, he's doing his thing or whateverybody didn't
Speaker 2: really want to talk about it, and uh, I just
Speaker 2: finished hero oute whatever. Winter I end up wrapping up.
Speaker 2: I am not going up there for like about two
Speaker 2: months or so. I went back up there, and the gentleman,
Speaker 2: you want to say, whiskey Pete came at me with
Speaker 2: the offer and he said, hey, man, I've been people
Speaker 2: who have been trying to rob me. You know. He's like,
Speaker 2: I can't even go down the mountain now without people
Speaker 2: stopping me trying to rob me. And then I noticed
Speaker 2: that he had a AK forty seven pistol at draco
Speaker 2: just slung over her side and he just had it
Speaker 2: on him. And before that I'd see him carry a
Speaker 2: revolver once in a while, you know. But he was
Speaker 2: like really getting scared, you know, he was like really
Speaker 2: high up in intensity. And he told me, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: like I've been doing real good and he said, hey,
Speaker 2: I need you to talk to your boss about something.
Speaker 2: He's like, you're the only person who can get up
Speaker 2: and down this mountain without question. And he's like, hey man.
Speaker 2: And he showed me this big concrete slab with it
Speaker 2: just looked kind of like a sludge and whatever shit
Speaker 2: on there, with some water on it. And he told me,
Speaker 2: he's like, hey, do you think your truck could pump
Speaker 2: this stuff up? I said, yeah, it's just you know,
Speaker 2: this is no big rock, so you know, clogged, the
Speaker 2: clogged the pump up or the valve. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it sucked that into the tank. I was like, is
Speaker 2: that sewage or and he said no, it's uh, you know,
Speaker 2: he's like, it's tailings whatever, it's crushed. He said, there's
Speaker 2: golden here. So there's golden there. And he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's not has it been cleaned out yet, but there's
Speaker 2: a lot of golden here. And the guy was trying
Speaker 2: to convince me to ask my boss if I could
Speaker 2: take a load up there, just pump out this big
Speaker 2: slab with the sludge and water on it, and then
Speaker 2: take it to a you know, undisclosed location. They said
Speaker 2: they're gonna be probably about one hundred miles away and
Speaker 2: then just dump out the whole holding tank. He said, yeah,
Speaker 2: come up here empty, you know, close the takeout, clean
Speaker 2: it out, come up here. Just suck this whole ground up,
Speaker 2: take it to the place. And he's I'll tell your boss,
Speaker 2: I'll give him five thousand bucks. I'll give you five
Speaker 2: thousand bucks, you know, one hundred mile drive. And I
Speaker 2: was like, that's good money, you know, sucking up this
Speaker 2: and I was like, this is really I'm staring at it.
Speaker 2: I don't see any gold in there, but he's telling
Speaker 2: me there's a lot of gold in there. So I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'll talk to my boss about it. Talk to my
Speaker 2: boss about He said, no way, we're not doing nothing
Speaker 2: with it. Forget about it. I'm like, all right, cool,
Speaker 2: conversation done. I went back to next week, told him, hey,
Speaker 2: I can't do nothing. You know, maybe call a different
Speaker 2: septic company and maybe can talk somebody else into it,
Speaker 2: but Boston can let me use equipment. He's like, all right,
Speaker 2: So that passes in. I'm really really like, man, this
Speaker 2: guy's really got a lot of gold going on if
Speaker 2: he's trying to have it pumped into a sewage truck
Speaker 2: to transport it down the mountain without anybody knowing that
Speaker 2: he's bringing gold out of his sight. So then I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is getting crazy with this guy. That's gold, right,
Speaker 2: He's got a lot of gold. You know. Me and myself,
Speaker 2: I went paying once or twice in the creek. I
Speaker 2: never even found a spectacle, not a flake, nothing, you know.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, whatever. A little while goes
Speaker 2: on later and I'm maybe two three months pass. He
Speaker 2: doesn't call. He's a call for servers and a call
Speaker 2: for servers, and it's my boss is like, hey, you know,
Speaker 2: why don't you go up there? Take a look. I
Speaker 2: go to go up there. The whole entry gate is
Speaker 2: like barricaded off. He's got a bunch of big boulders
Speaker 2: in the front, and then his tractor parked behind the boulders.
Speaker 2: Like there's no way I'm getting up there. So I'm like,
Speaker 2: all right, skip it, mark it off as a you know, lockate,
Speaker 2: no service, go leave. Winter comes around again, so now
Speaker 2: it's about a year since he's you know, hit a
Speaker 2: vein as he put it or whatever, and the boss says, hey,
Speaker 2: you need to go up there. We haven't services guy
Speaker 2: for a while. So I get up there. I go
Speaker 2: to service him, and the gates open, those bowlers are moved,
Speaker 2: and the tractor's just like off to the side, almost
Speaker 2: like in the ditch, like half in the ditch. I
Speaker 2: drive up there and look around. His whole camp is
Speaker 2: just tossed up. There's this equipment laid over all. His
Speaker 2: shipping containers are open, wide open, things thrown on the
Speaker 2: floor everything. I'm like, what's going on. I'm like, well, obviously,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm I'm hitting the horn. He doesn't come out,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yeah, you know, it's something wrong here.
Speaker 2: I'm leaving. I turn around, I leave, I go to
Speaker 2: the next spot. And we'll just call this guy the preacher, right.
Speaker 2: So I go to the preacher's mining claim, very religious
Speaker 2: man and so is a whiskey pete. And I go
Speaker 2: over the and I've never seen this guy take a
Speaker 2: sit with alcohol or smoke or anything. The pastors. I
Speaker 2: go over the pastors. He's sitting on his front porch.
Speaker 2: This guy smashed, he just hammered, just like plastered, drunk,
Speaker 2: like what's going on? And you know, and he's just
Speaker 2: crying and he starts crying. He's like bawling, crying, and
Speaker 2: he starts confiding in me that he feels so bad
Speaker 2: and he doesn't know if he's going to get into
Speaker 2: heaven now because is what he's done and all this
Speaker 2: what's going on. And then he starts telling me that
Speaker 2: they lost communication with Pete for a while over the
Speaker 2: radio with everybody on the mountain, and they noticed that
Speaker 2: he wasn't coming out no more at all. So a
Speaker 2: couple of the guys that were good friends of his
Speaker 2: decided to go up there, and they went up there
Speaker 2: and they found him dead in his fifth little trailer,
Speaker 2: laying in the bed, dead.
Speaker 1: Thinks, so society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: Just like he'd already been dead for like a week
Speaker 2: or two when they found him. You know, the whole
Speaker 2: trailer was already smelling like, you know, dead flesh. The
Speaker 2: body was like real bloated and all that. And they
Speaker 2: go outside and they're like, oh, well, we need to
Speaker 2: call the cops, you know, we need to you know,
Speaker 2: notify the family or call you know, paramics or somebody
Speaker 2: to come up, you know, come get his body and
Speaker 2: this and that, and one of the guys mentioned like, hey,
Speaker 2: well should we look around first, and the other guys like,
Speaker 2: what do you mean, Like, well, he's got abless gold.
Speaker 2: You know, it's got to be somewhere here, So we
Speaker 2: look for the gold first. So they decide, all right,
Speaker 2: we'll start, let look real quick, and then we'll call.
Speaker 2: And now I guess it became this thing. We're there
Speaker 2: up at his at his at his spot, had his
Speaker 2: claim for like four or five weeks, carrying it up
Speaker 2: inch per inch, and that's where all that damage ass
Speaker 2: ball was, everything tossed over. They were looking for his
Speaker 2: goals because he had it, came down the mountain for
Speaker 2: months to cash in gold, and they know he was
Speaker 2: bringing a lot of golds, so they're like, this goal
Speaker 2: has got to be somewhere. So they're looking around, looking around,
Speaker 2: and they're thinking, but if it's under his bed, you know.
Speaker 2: So they told me that they literally rolled over his
Speaker 2: body on the bed. At this point, he'd already been
Speaker 2: dead for six seven weeks, you know, maybe two months
Speaker 2: at this point. They rolled his body over and folded
Speaker 2: the mattress in half so they could lift up under
Speaker 2: his bed and look under his bed for gold. They
Speaker 2: couldn't find any anything under there that was gold at all.
Speaker 2: So as they were putting the unfolding the mattress, putting
Speaker 2: it back, they noticed that he had his little notepad
Speaker 2: and his bible in his back pocket. And he had
Speaker 2: his little bible he carried all the time. He'd write
Speaker 2: different things, highlight things in there and stuff and this
Speaker 2: little notepad and they're like, oh, the notepad. So they
Speaker 2: grabbed the notepad and the bible out of his pocket.
Speaker 2: They're looking through the notepad and they can't really find anything,
Speaker 2: find anything, And they go look in his bible and
Speaker 2: there's like a little passage written like a note to
Speaker 2: his son with GPS coordinates, and he told us for
Speaker 2: his son. He's like, hey, I love you. You know, I'm
Speaker 2: sorry for things in life, this and that. And he's like,
Speaker 2: but you know, go to the spot this is will
Speaker 2: change your life. So they read that and immediately thinking,
Speaker 2: this is where the guy buried the gold. This is
Speaker 2: the cordinate's right here, this is where the gold is.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a note for his son to get
Speaker 2: the gold. This is the gold. Let's go look. So
Speaker 2: they go back. The guy yanks his GPS out of
Speaker 2: his pickup truck. They start walking around the GPS they
Speaker 2: put the coordinates in and they find this spot that
Speaker 2: leads them to the GPS coordinates. They go out there
Speaker 2: with shovels and pickaxes, and there was a spot where
Speaker 2: you couldn't really get in with the a tractor or
Speaker 2: any equipment. It's kind of like on the side of
Speaker 2: a hill. They have to spot. They start looking around,
Speaker 2: looking around, and they got a metal detector too, and
Speaker 2: then they find this rock hammer. But he says, basically
Speaker 2: like the hammer one side's like it's a small hammer,
Speaker 2: like a little ballping hammer kind of but on one
Speaker 2: side it's like a little pick and the other side
Speaker 2: is kind of like a bull being like a flat
Speaker 2: hammer or whatever. But they find this hammer like buried
Speaker 2: just like two inches under the dirt. So like, oh,
Speaker 2: this has got to be a you know, X Marx spot.
Speaker 2: They move a hammer, they start digging. At this point,
Speaker 2: they'd already talked to a lot of other guys in
Speaker 2: the mountains, and now there's like six dudes out there,
Speaker 2: all from like fifty years old to like ninety years old.
Speaker 2: A bunch of really old dudes, old timers, digging with
Speaker 2: shovels and pick axes. They get down about three or
Speaker 2: four feet and they find a large bone and they're like,
Speaker 2: you know, did you know they knew he's had balls
Speaker 2: with people trying to rob him? And they're like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, did he kill somebody who was trying to
Speaker 2: rob her, you know, and bury the body? And they're like, well,
Speaker 2: maybe it's not a human bone, you know, Let's keep looking.
Speaker 2: So they keep digging and they start to find more
Speaker 2: bones and like, hey man, these bones are like really big,
Speaker 2: and they're like, well, like, well, maybe he buried the
Speaker 2: gold under the body, you know, thinking if somebody dug
Speaker 2: down and found a body, they're gonna stop digging and
Speaker 2: the goal is gonna be under the body, you know.
Speaker 2: So they amongst each other they discuss it and they're like,
Speaker 2: all right, let's keep digging. They continue to dig a
Speaker 2: little bit more, and that's when they find the skull,
Speaker 2: and they realize that the skull is way bigger than
Speaker 2: the normal human skull and it's not shaped the same
Speaker 2: as a regular human skull. They get they get they
Speaker 2: get all real confused, and they're just discussing what to do,
Speaker 2: and then one of them just says it's sasquatch, and
Speaker 2: they all look at each other like no, and they're
Speaker 2: like standing at the skull, stare at the skull, and
Speaker 2: they're like bury it, cover it back up, cover it
Speaker 2: back up. So they started throwing all the bones back
Speaker 2: in the hole, but all the dirt over it. They
Speaker 2: threw that rock camera at the bottom down where they'd
Speaker 2: found those bones, covered the whole thing up, left, left
Speaker 2: the whole mind, the whole site altogether. They never found
Speaker 2: any goals, all of them left and decided to like
Speaker 2: do a pack of secrecy that nobody's gonna discuss what happened.
Speaker 2: They're is gonna wait for somebody else to find the body.
Speaker 2: They're not even gonna know acknowledge that he's dead, you
Speaker 2: know nothing. They were never there, you know, everybody, you know,
Speaker 2: hush and uh but basically the you know, pastor of
Speaker 2: the features, you know, sitting there crying, balling and just
Speaker 2: telling me about how he you know, he is going
Speaker 2: to go to hell because uh, you know, the guy
Speaker 2: was dead up there, and you know they just hit it,
Speaker 2: you know, and let his body brought away and wasn't
Speaker 2: able to you know, the family wasn't able to grieve
Speaker 2: and bury him or anything, and just out of their
Speaker 2: pure greed for gold, and he started telling me how like,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, once you once you get a
Speaker 2: little gold in your hand, he went more and more,
Speaker 2: and you know, the nugget is never big enough, you know.
Speaker 2: And he starts telling me about like, you know, how
Speaker 2: he got addicted to gold mining, you know, twenty plus
Speaker 2: years before and I've spent his whole life since. And
Speaker 2: he was just crying and balling. I'm like, man, is
Speaker 2: this real? Like is this trooper? Then I was thinking
Speaker 2: about what I saw with the whole campsite. Everything just
Speaker 2: ripped up and tore up. So I'm like, man, and
Speaker 2: I was like, you know, I'm like, well, why don't
Speaker 2: you call the comps or something, you know, it just
Speaker 2: anonys me. And then he said that one of the
Speaker 2: other guys had already called and that they had just
Speaker 2: been up there like the week before and took in
Speaker 2: the whiskey Peach's body. They had already just notified the
Speaker 2: Mexican and there waiting for a Mexican to come out
Speaker 2: to the property and all that stuff. And it just
Speaker 2: kind of blew my mind that I was more blown
Speaker 2: away to the greed of them having this dead body
Speaker 2: sitting there while they're tearing up this guy's property looking
Speaker 2: for golds, and then the whole thing of them like
Speaker 2: turning the body over to look under the bed for
Speaker 2: gold because they were so struck by having to find golds,
Speaker 2: you know, and the whole story of everything. I thought
Speaker 2: about it, you know, and I was like, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: And then I started thinking about does such I have
Speaker 2: a dead fast launch on his poverty? Like did he
Speaker 2: kill a fast watch and bury it? You know? And
Speaker 2: then I was like, oh man, this is just crazy.
Speaker 2: After that, I told my boss. I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 2: I can't do that route anymore, you know, tired of
Speaker 2: dealing with customers, too far between locations, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't get home till after dark. I'm just I'm not
Speaker 2: going to do the route anymore. So I stopped doing
Speaker 2: that route. And the same thing. I've never been back since.
Speaker 1: Arturo. That's that's the wildest hold on. That's the wildest
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard on this podcast. Do you think
Speaker 1: there's a buried sasquatch skull in that area?
Speaker 2: It could be or it really could have been, you know,
Speaker 2: just a larger person. You know, maybe he did kill
Speaker 2: somebody that was trying to rob him. After he got
Speaker 2: all that gold, you know, or maybe it, you know,
Speaker 2: could have been a sasquatch. But then I was thinking
Speaker 2: back at it at the beginning of his property, like
Speaker 2: in southern Oregon, a lot of people have sasquatch stands
Speaker 2: a little like wooden figurines, and they a lot of
Speaker 2: people have this thing. It's like a big cardboard cutout,
Speaker 2: like you get like, you know, a four by ten
Speaker 2: sheet of plywood and they kind of cut out the
Speaker 2: outline like a big stancil of a sasquatch, and then
Speaker 2: they painted black or brown and they screw it on
Speaker 2: the trees. You know. I see it all over Oregon.
Speaker 2: At the beginning of his driveway to go up to
Speaker 2: Pett's place, he had one on each side of the
Speaker 2: driveway since before, like when I just started and and
Speaker 2: it said, you know, you know, keep out, beware, I'm watching,
Speaker 2: you know, all that stuff. But that wasn't a big
Speaker 2: thing because everybody in southern Oregon has some kind of
Speaker 2: sasquatch something, you know. And then thinking back to I
Speaker 2: do remember him a couple of times talking like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll be carefully there, you know, I'd believing kind of
Speaker 2: later to be careful, you know, sasquatch out in the woods,
Speaker 2: and you know, little quotes and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: he never really told me specifically like hey, I've seen
Speaker 2: I've seen a squatch, or I killed a squatch or
Speaker 2: anything like that. But it was kind of just kind
Speaker 2: of you know, common knowledge or just spoken normally, you know,
Speaker 2: in that general area. So I never really overthunk it,
Speaker 2: you know. But then after they say his sasquatch and
Speaker 2: all that, I started thinking back to like, yeah, he
Speaker 2: had a lot of big foot stuff on his property,
Speaker 2: you know, little wind chimes with bigfoot and just different
Speaker 2: little things, you know, bigfoot sticker on the side of
Speaker 2: his old trailer before he got the new one and
Speaker 2: all that. So I'm like, hey, he probably was a believer.
Speaker 2: But was he a believer because he found one and
Speaker 2: killed it?
Speaker 1: You know, Man, so many I don't know, so many
Speaker 1: questions we will never get the answer to, absolutely never
Speaker 1: get the answer. I bet Whiskey Pete has some wild
Speaker 1: big foot encounters up there on that mountain. My goodness,
Speaker 1: that that was wild.
Speaker 2: It's just like a wild West up there, man, Like
Speaker 2: they like everybody's this sss, you know, shoot shovel shut up,
Speaker 2: and that could be everything from uh you know, people
Speaker 2: sneaking onto the gross sites, getting caught in the gold
Speaker 2: mining clams. You know, they shoot you and they bury you.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like as common knowledge, like they never
Speaker 2: call the cops, you know there's any problems beast between
Speaker 2: neighbors Hillside and the Hillside. You know, I rarely hear
Speaker 2: stories of anybody calling authorities for any problems that's going
Speaker 2: on there. You know, they they take care of everything themselves.
Speaker 2: So the fact that there's somebody buried there wasn't really
Speaker 2: too much of a shock to me. But the fact
Speaker 2: that they said they was giant, and his skull was
Speaker 2: real huge and looked different. And then then they said, oh,
Speaker 2: well the guys mentioned it's a task watch, and they're like, oh,
Speaker 2: they all panicked and just start bearing it.
Speaker 1: You know, that's so wild.
Speaker 2: That threw me off.
Speaker 1: They're like, no, we're not in this at all. Bury
Speaker 1: it up. That's so crazy. Can you even I mean,
Speaker 1: this is such an intense story. Can you even share
Speaker 1: what county it is in.
Speaker 2: The uh well, we'll say it's uh An, We'll say
Speaker 2: like near the border of Josephine County in Douglas County.
Speaker 1: Gotcha, man, that's this is I got.
Speaker 2: I got. I believe that because because I I I
Speaker 2: I had never seen that man smoke a cigarette. Do
Speaker 2: you know. I've never seen the preacher, you know, pastor
Speaker 2: do anything of mind altering anything. In years of going
Speaker 2: up there, you know, they'd even have little community to
Speaker 2: get togethers where they'd hang out and barbecue and everybody
Speaker 2: be sitting on shine or you know, hanging out, you know,
Speaker 2: smoking and whatever. He never touched anything. And that time
Speaker 2: I'm up there and he was just belligerate, drunk, crying
Speaker 2: and all that. That's when I was like, man, this
Speaker 2: guy is serious. You know, something serious is going on.
Speaker 2: After I had just left the other place that was
Speaker 2: torn up, you know, and I'm like, you know, I
Speaker 2: was just believing like him word for word. You know,
Speaker 2: he doesn't seem like he's never seemed like a dishonest
Speaker 2: person in any sort, you know. And the worst part
Speaker 2: about all this is I heard from the next guy
Speaker 2: that took over that route. They'd sent one guy he
Speaker 2: got lost everywhere, couldn't find any of the locations because
Speaker 2: they're real hard to find. So then they told me like, hey,
Speaker 2: you know, you want to do a ride along with
Speaker 2: the next guy who's going to take over the route,
Speaker 2: so you could show him the route. And I said, no,
Speaker 2: not really, I'm not going up there no more. And
Speaker 2: so they found another guy that worked with the company
Speaker 2: that used to do that route prior to me working there.
Speaker 2: They sent him up there, and when he came down
Speaker 2: the mountain, uh, he was talking about the Uh yeah,
Speaker 2: the preacher committed suicide. I said what I said, I said,
Speaker 2: preacher pastor, like pastor, I was like, you know, the well,
Speaker 2: you know whatever, the you know, the yellow car and this,
Speaker 2: you know, like that guy is a yeat. He blew
Speaker 2: his head off shotgun. Nobody knows. Nobody knows why he
Speaker 2: blew his head off.
Speaker 1: He could he couldn't live.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And I remember him just telling me how
Speaker 2: he's he's going to hell for, you know, desecrating that
Speaker 2: man's body and not calling the authorities, and you know,
Speaker 2: he was just crying and balling, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: could totally see him doing that, just in the drunken
Speaker 2: stupor just you know, upset about what happened. And I
Speaker 2: could totally see that happening, you know, But I personally
Speaker 2: haven't not been back up there since. But you know
Speaker 2: that's what I heard, is you know pastor uh you
Speaker 2: know opted out, shall.
Speaker 1: We say, Arturo? This is It is, without a doubt,
Speaker 1: the most intense story I have heard in the last
Speaker 1: five years. And I don't even want to think of
Speaker 1: what's going to come from the comments on this one.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure maybe other people know parts of
Speaker 1: this story that that you didn't know because it happened later,
Speaker 1: and man, who knows where this is going to go next.
Speaker 1: But Arturo, thank you for sharing what you've experienced over
Speaker 1: the years. This is absolutely wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been wanting to talk about with somebody for
Speaker 2: a long time. And I guess I lived out here
Speaker 2: in southern Oregon though when we first moved out here,
Speaker 2: we'd moved to Grasspath, Oregon, right when we first first
Speaker 2: moved up here, and they're like, they have these big
Speaker 2: Caveman statues around, like the tow truck company is Caveman Towing,
Speaker 2: and the high school football team or like the Caveman
Speaker 2: or whatever. Like all this caveman stuff, I'm like, is
Speaker 2: just just rubbing it in my face, you know, Like
Speaker 2: when I moved away from Soak I was just kind
Speaker 2: of trying to block out of my mind forget about it.
Speaker 2: I'm seeing all this caveman stuff, right, and I'm still
Speaker 2: on an impression that, you know, Andre, that I saw
Speaker 2: with some kind of caveman or some giant or you know,
Speaker 2: something like that, right, And I see all this big
Speaker 2: foot stuff all the time. I'm like, hen, he's idiots
Speaker 2: believing in bigfoot, right, So I'd like the idiots with
Speaker 2: their bigfoot stuff. But I'm seeing all this caveman stuff.
Speaker 2: But I would sit back at you know, bonfires, hanging out,
Speaker 2: you know, captain with the boys, and I'd heard people
Speaker 2: kind of talk a little little stories here and there
Speaker 2: about bigfoot and all that. But you know, me personally,
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I still don't consider that I've seen
Speaker 2: a big foot. I saw something else, you know, But
Speaker 2: out here it's like bigfoot just common knowledge. Some people,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, not out of ten would be like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's a myth and that's the greatest host of all
Speaker 2: all times, and you know whatever, it's just serious. A
Speaker 2: he's saying enough people everybody thinks it's true, you know.
Speaker 2: And then like one I had ten people were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're real, like, oh, my uncle had one at the
Speaker 2: back of his property, you know, and that's just you
Speaker 2: know common. No, it's like it's not a big deal.
Speaker 2: But then like the other night, people you talk to
Speaker 2: you are like, you're ridiculous, you know. So I never
Speaker 2: mentioned to anybody what I saw in sothern of California
Speaker 2: with the andundree jokes. I just didn't want to be
Speaker 2: rig called, like, oh you saw a cave man, you know,
Speaker 2: So I just never really mentioned it. But I just
Speaker 2: kind of listen to other people's stories and you know,
Speaker 2: but out here, I've never seen nothing in Oregon personally,
Speaker 2: I've never seen nothing in a couple of black bears. Yeah,
Speaker 2: things like that. But yeah, we'll take it for what
Speaker 2: it is. But you know, the look in that man's face,
Speaker 2: I believe what he was telling.
Speaker 1: Me, you know, I think he made the right choice
Speaker 1: just walking away from all that. I don't think that
Speaker 1: would have gotten any better for you. Just there's there's
Speaker 1: too much, too much going up in that area that
Speaker 1: is not not what you want to mess with, for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I realized it. Man. Gold makes people crazy, Yeah,
Speaker 2: crazy for gold.
Speaker 1: Such a sad story but also such a I mean
Speaker 1: it's it's wilder than most of the movies I've seen.
Speaker 1: To be honest, it's it's an incredibly intense arturo Thank
Speaker 1: you so much for coming on the show and for
Speaker 1: sharing what you've experienced over the years. I greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 2: That problem. I feel a lot better, you know, getting
Speaker 2: it off my chest.