WEBVTT 1 00:00:16.280 --> 00:00:21.839 Voices drift on winds untane, where it's like spells that 2 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:27.559 can't be made. Close your eyes and feel the sound 3 00:00:28.839 --> 00:00:31.960 journey where no bounds are found. 4 00:00:32.960 --> 00:00:41.600 Open doors inside your mind the ordinary form, because color 5 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:45.640 swirl and stars line in. 6 00:00:45.799 --> 00:00:52.520 The mental mysteries, you'll find Welcome to meta mysteries where 7 00:00:52.560 --> 00:00:55.479 you don't know what you don't know. My name is Jonathan, 8 00:00:55.840 --> 00:01:00.600 I'm Sean, and tonight is wonder Wizday live show for 9 00:01:00.719 --> 00:01:03.640 the meta mystery crew out there. We call them the 10 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.159 one Welcome in everybody who is joining so far, very 11 00:01:07.239 --> 00:01:08.519 nice to be able to see y'all. 12 00:01:08.599 --> 00:01:10.319 Adam, I don't even know if I told you that this. 13 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:13.519 Was gonna be the live show, but I didn't. 14 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:15.920 Sorry, I just realized that. 15 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:19.640 No, I have zero problems with that. 16 00:01:19.680 --> 00:01:20.480 He's like, I gotta go. 17 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:23.239 No, if anything that makes it more interesting and hopefully 18 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:24.200 more helpful. 19 00:01:24.239 --> 00:01:26.560 Yeah, I think so. I mean, we loved doing the 20 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:27.120 live shows. 21 00:01:27.120 --> 00:01:29.599 It's just more perspectives and more people can chime in 22 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:32.480 and stuff like that, and so yeah, it's it'll be 23 00:01:32.480 --> 00:01:34.799 pretty cool. And and by the way, anybody that wants 24 00:01:34.840 --> 00:01:37.120 to be able to chime in, maybe you have a 25 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:40.719 question for Adam or anything like that. Just feel free 26 00:01:40.799 --> 00:01:44.840 to put it in the chat. But yeah, tonight we're 27 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:47.799 gonna be conversing with one of our favorites, Adam Butler. 28 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:50.760 We actually just got done recently talking about you on 29 00:01:50.799 --> 00:01:54.840 a prior episode about all of your experience with d MT, 30 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:58.680 and in preparation for the show, I went back and 31 00:01:58.760 --> 00:02:01.560 I looked at the the video of the only time 32 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:05.560 that I had done DMT, which was last year, and Dude, 33 00:02:05.640 --> 00:02:08.719 it's like it's a whole other thing when you watch it, 34 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:11.680 because it almost brings you all the way back, like 35 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:13.879 to that moment of what you were experiencing. Dude, my 36 00:02:13.879 --> 00:02:16.000 first time doing it, I had tears running down my face. 37 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:20.520 It was just so like beautiful and all encompassing and everything. 38 00:02:21.120 --> 00:02:24.719 But have you ever videoed yourself? Not to sound weird, 39 00:02:24.719 --> 00:02:25.039 but have you. 40 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.319 Yeah, Yeah, that's the extra subscription you get to pay 41 00:02:28.360 --> 00:02:29.520 more for that. 42 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:30.719 That's not fayture. 43 00:02:32.520 --> 00:02:39.800 No. And you know, I'm intellectually curious about videotaping that 44 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:43.319 session and kind of seeing what happens. I would say 45 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:45.159 ninety five percent of the time that I do. And 46 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:47.919 I'm with my girlfriend and we're kind of holding space 47 00:02:47.960 --> 00:02:50.800 for one another. So I kind of get the replay 48 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:54.400 from her and yeah, there's a lot going on there, 49 00:02:54.719 --> 00:03:00.639 and short hand said, no, would I be curious? Possibly, 50 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:05.039 But man, I don't know. I've sit since our last conversation. 51 00:03:05.080 --> 00:03:08.400 There's been some pretty unique sessions. 52 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:13.479 So love to get into that, yeah, dude, Yeah, yeah, 53 00:03:13.520 --> 00:03:17.560 Well I love that you and our boy Danny Gohler 54 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:21.520 got together. That's like two kingpins of the DMT world 55 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:22.000 right there. 56 00:03:22.159 --> 00:03:23.599 And consciousness in general. 57 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:25.800 Man, I mean the way that you guys can just 58 00:03:25.879 --> 00:03:28.000 bounce back and forth between each other. I mean the 59 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:31.240 ship that y'all have seen, dude, Like it's hard for 60 00:03:31.280 --> 00:03:32.719 a lot of people to keep up, you know what 61 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:35.919 I mean? Like that is because you're learning, Like you 62 00:03:35.919 --> 00:03:38.360 you feel like you're learning on that other side or 63 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:40.360 do you even call it the other side or is 64 00:03:40.360 --> 00:03:41.159 it just right here? 65 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:42.280 What do you think? 66 00:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.759 I typically call it the DMT realm. Yes, And what 67 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:50.120 I can what I appreciate about Danny and hopefully I 68 00:03:50.159 --> 00:03:54.120 personify as well, is a sense of humility, you know, 69 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:56.840 as much as he can say with clarity and confidence 70 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.840 what he saw his experiences. You know, when he speaks 71 00:03:59.840 --> 00:04:04.199 of the laser experiment, what led up to it. He's 72 00:04:04.240 --> 00:04:09.080 had some really profound DMT experiences, but he'll be the 73 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:12.120 first to say that, you know, he doesn't know what 74 00:04:12.400 --> 00:04:15.960 the code means. He doesn't necessarily, you know, he's not 75 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:18.079 coming out saying he's got all the answers. If anything, 76 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:20.720 he's kind of saying just the opposite. Let's explore this further, 77 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:25.040 let's get more data points. But to just say like, no, 78 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:28.759 there's nothing here, there's nothing to see. You know, he's 79 00:04:28.800 --> 00:04:31.639 just making up shit. I can say definitively from my 80 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:36.920 own experience that's not false. Now, whether that's my consciousness 81 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:40.399 just making up shit because I'm fanboying somebody, I highly 82 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:44.839 doubt that, especially if somebody is well versed in the 83 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:49.399 DMT space and is well versed in what an altered 84 00:04:49.439 --> 00:04:53.399 state and consciousness like, how that affects your visual perception 85 00:04:53.720 --> 00:04:56.439 and just how dynamic and fluid and all of the 86 00:04:56.680 --> 00:05:00.399 weird shit that goes on in that space, and then 87 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:04.040 just the dynamic movement and the laser itself. What I 88 00:05:04.079 --> 00:05:06.920 saw was was different and above that. So yeah, I 89 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.759 know that was a That was an awesome conversation. And 90 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:13.519 I can say since that I've talked to multiple times, 91 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:16.279 I consider him a friend. I've I've hooked him up 92 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:18.279 with a couple of connections and he and I and 93 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.000 I'd like to think that's one of those relationships that 94 00:05:21.439 --> 00:05:24.319 we'll just keep bouncing off one another and collaborating in 95 00:05:24.360 --> 00:05:26.959 the future, and as we keep expanding our reach and 96 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:30.160 our scope that you know, we can we can approach 97 00:05:30.160 --> 00:05:32.600 it because I think we really have the same intellectual 98 00:05:32.600 --> 00:05:36.480 curiosity with the scientific bent, but also have no problem 99 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:39.160 exploring the more esoteric and out there and kind of 100 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:45.319 like unexplained shit, because that's what makes it so meta mystery. 101 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:47.240 Yeah, that's right, dude. 102 00:05:47.279 --> 00:05:49.439 Sometimes, you know, you got to take the path that's 103 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:51.920 not really taken very often, you know. And I think that, 104 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.839 you know, the whole d MT realm is is definitely 105 00:05:55.279 --> 00:05:58.040 definitely that you know, and you were talking about the 106 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:00.319 way that Danny Gohler has been going into all this 107 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:02.639 stuff and trying to get people just to look at it. 108 00:06:02.839 --> 00:06:06.199 You know, I think that is probably the hardest thing 109 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:09.399 because there's such a and I don't know why exactly, 110 00:06:09.480 --> 00:06:13.160 but there's such a stigma on DMT in general, and 111 00:06:13.240 --> 00:06:15.279 so yeah, just getting people to look at it, I 112 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:17.240 think it's just I think that's where we need to 113 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:19.399 be man, And I'm loving the work that he's doing. 114 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:23.160 And I would say, and he has had some critics, 115 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:25.319 and some of the anybody following the story knows that, 116 00:06:25.360 --> 00:06:27.920 you know, some of the more outspoken ones I've listened to, 117 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:31.439 the to the to the people that have not necessarily 118 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:34.600 critical aspects to say, But they're really not they're not 119 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:37.639 shooting down his experiment and they're not saying what he's 120 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:39.920 seeing isn't there. You know, they may have a difference 121 00:06:39.920 --> 00:06:42.680 of interpretation, they may have a difference of approaching how 122 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.439 you quantify it or you know, how you analyze the data. 123 00:06:45.920 --> 00:06:49.360 But I haven't heard one person. I mean, even like 124 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.199 on my thing, I've had some people say, oh, you're 125 00:06:51.240 --> 00:06:53.720 just looking at the back of your eyelashes, and it's like, 126 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:56.680 you know, I don't even respond to shit like that, 127 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:59.279 because it's like you've clearly never done fucking DMP and 128 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:02.680 you've clearly never actually tried to meditate focus intentionally to 129 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:04.959 see something in it. And it's like if you did, 130 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:08.319 you wouldn't come up with something as asinine as you know, 131 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:09.120 your eyelashes. 132 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:11.120 Well, those are the people that don't know what They 133 00:07:11.160 --> 00:07:13.199 don't fucking they really don't. 134 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:15.680 But you know, I give them the space to say 135 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.160 what they need to say until they've experienced it. But 136 00:07:19.680 --> 00:07:21.519 like I said, typically even that the people that have, 137 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:24.240 you know, an issue with some of the grandiose things 138 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:27.240 he's saying, still will you know, can't really dispute that 139 00:07:27.360 --> 00:07:30.079 not only he I and I stand by what I 140 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:32.120 saw and what I said, and you know, hundreds, if 141 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:35.040 not thousands of other people are seeing something above and 142 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:41.199 beyond the weird shit that you normally see. Dude. 143 00:07:41.279 --> 00:07:45.199 Yeah, and actually, I'm super excited to have this conversation 144 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.279 just with all of the research that we've been diving 145 00:07:48.319 --> 00:07:51.240 into with DMT and how we're understanding it now. And 146 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:53.920 I mean just the some of the findings that they 147 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.399 found within DMT X about like how your brain is 148 00:07:57.439 --> 00:07:59.759 really only working like five ten percent of it is 149 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:03.399 hiring at any given moment. But then on DMT, whenever 150 00:08:03.399 --> 00:08:05.920 they hook up the electrodes or the brain scans or whatever, 151 00:08:06.040 --> 00:08:10.800 fucking ninety percent is firing, and it's firing together. Parts 152 00:08:10.800 --> 00:08:14.000 of the brain that don't normally speak together are are conversing. 153 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:17.519 And that's what makes it kind of like really all inclusive. 154 00:08:17.560 --> 00:08:19.920 It's like you know, whenever you look at that information, 155 00:08:19.959 --> 00:08:24.240 it's like, well, to be more proper, the reality that 156 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:27.639 we say we live in is more of a hallucination 157 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:31.319 than even the DMT realm. And just just by that 158 00:08:31.480 --> 00:08:33.720 science and looking at those statistics and everything, it's not 159 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:36.279 to say that you know, this reality isn't real. Maybe 160 00:08:36.320 --> 00:08:39.879 just every level of reality is a form of hallucination. 161 00:08:40.039 --> 00:08:42.919 If everything is all, you know, like stacked up, stacked 162 00:08:42.960 --> 00:08:44.720 up on top of each other or something like that. 163 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:47.360 I mean, do you think that like all of that 164 00:08:47.519 --> 00:08:52.240 is happening here in a sense like people have said, 165 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:55.840 like it's happening beyond the veil or something like that. 166 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:57.799 But if you think about it beyond all time? 167 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:00.399 But if you think about if it's beyond the veil, 168 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:03.080 then that would mean that it's it's not out there 169 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:06.879 right like it would be here ish And where is here? 170 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:08.600 Like are we talking about here as far as our 171 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:11.519 subconscious goes here, as far as this reality goes? 172 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:12.519 What do you think about all that? 173 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:15.080 Yeah, there's a lot to impact there. 174 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:15.639 Sorry. 175 00:09:15.879 --> 00:09:19.679 I think the unique way or one of the unique 176 00:09:19.679 --> 00:09:21.840 aspects of DMT that can all be tied into what 177 00:09:21.879 --> 00:09:27.519 you're asking is how your physiology the human physiology can 178 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:30.879 change and get to be sensitive, to be way more 179 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:33.600 than your normal five senses. And the fact that DMT, 180 00:09:33.919 --> 00:09:35.360 you know, obviously you can smoke in and get that 181 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:40.120 external bump. But you know, we talked about this multiple times, 182 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:42.480 how it is indogenous, it is produced naturally in your 183 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:45.200 own body. How you know with holotropic breathing and deep 184 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.559 meditation that you can kind of get your your body 185 00:09:47.559 --> 00:09:51.919 to get to those different states. I'm as much as 186 00:09:51.919 --> 00:09:55.519 I'm a proponent of using DMT to get to these 187 00:09:55.559 --> 00:09:59.720 elevated states. I mentioned in the last episode that and 188 00:09:59.759 --> 00:10:01.440 I I remember and as I listened to it, I 189 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:03.240 was kind of like made this bold claim, like fuck it, 190 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:05.840 I'm booking my Minroe trip. So I did go to 191 00:10:05.840 --> 00:10:09.000 the Monroe Institute last November, and I spent a week 192 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:12.519 there and did the Deep Gateway Voyage meditation and it 193 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:16.120 was absolutely phenomenal. And I mentioned that only because I 194 00:10:16.159 --> 00:10:20.080 think there's multiple ways of getting to these elevated states 195 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:23.279 of consciousness, whether it be psychedelics, DMT. You know, the 196 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:28.799 HEMI sink binarrow beats from from the Monroe Institute, deep meditation, 197 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:32.080 ice bats, there's walks in the woods, there's a lot 198 00:10:32.120 --> 00:10:34.759 of ways of kind of getting your body to be 199 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:39.559 able to be more sensitive to different vibrational energies. But 200 00:10:41.200 --> 00:10:44.559 the fact that you have just so many more data 201 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:47.440 points and so many so much more coming in when 202 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:50.639 you're in that elevated state, it just seems to be that, 203 00:10:50.679 --> 00:10:53.159 you know, that's where that term of Extrassman's volunteers about 204 00:10:53.200 --> 00:10:57.679 the more real than real, and you learn that your 205 00:10:57.720 --> 00:11:01.440 body really is capable, even if it's only for a 206 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:04.320 five six, seven eight minute period. In my case, anyway, 207 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.879 I know when I come back, it's kind of like, oh, 208 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:09.360 that's what my body's like with rocket fuel and with 209 00:11:09.399 --> 00:11:12.320 the governor off, with all the do dads and all 210 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:15.399 of the you know, the cheat codes and all the 211 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:16.279 power ups. 212 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:18.639 That's what I was thinking too, is that it is 213 00:11:18.720 --> 00:11:21.519 kind of like that we have a governor on, you know, 214 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:24.399 and it makes more sense to say, all right, well, 215 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:26.960 Governor's off. This is everything that you get to experience 216 00:11:27.039 --> 00:11:31.080 if you're able or allowed or capable of being able 217 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:34.679 to access everything that like all of the parts, you know, 218 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:37.799 like you don't just hit the gas, maybe you shift 219 00:11:37.840 --> 00:11:40.039 it into fucking fifth gear, you know, like just get 220 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.840 real weird on DMT, and I don't know, dude, it's. 221 00:11:43.399 --> 00:11:46.879 To keep it that analogy though, that governor is needed. 222 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:49.200 You know, we, in my opinion, we need to be 223 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:52.120 able to filter out a majority of the sensory input. 224 00:11:52.360 --> 00:11:55.240 As much as I love that that DMT space, there's 225 00:11:55.240 --> 00:11:57.519 no way you could walk around like that, not as 226 00:11:57.559 --> 00:11:59.240 a human. You have to be able to filter out 227 00:11:59.279 --> 00:12:03.799 the majority of it. But that's where with you know, 228 00:12:03.879 --> 00:12:06.720 intentional use, and with the hundreds of times that I've 229 00:12:06.720 --> 00:12:09.639 done DMT. Every time, whether it be looking to try 230 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:11.399 to see a laser, whether it be trying to do 231 00:12:11.519 --> 00:12:13.399 in a shadow work, whether it be just trying to 232 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:17.639 explore the depths and realms of of that DMT space, 233 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:23.200 it's always with a really deep and concentrated and expressed intent, 234 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:25.159 you know. 235 00:12:25.279 --> 00:12:29.799 So yeah, And actually we had recently we had our 236 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:33.159 boy Optimistic Banks on the show and he's actually somebody 237 00:12:33.159 --> 00:12:37.240 who has done DMT and has had a near death experience. 238 00:12:37.559 --> 00:12:38.240 And I asked him. 239 00:12:38.279 --> 00:12:39.759 I was like, dude, I got to ask you, just 240 00:12:39.799 --> 00:12:43.879 out of curiosity, was the near death experience comparable to 241 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:45.840 what you experienced in the DMT realm? 242 00:12:45.879 --> 00:12:48.200 He goes, It's the same exact thing. I was like 243 00:12:48.639 --> 00:12:49.159 I knew it. 244 00:12:49.240 --> 00:12:51.480 I knew Yeah, there you go. 245 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:55.159 It's crazy, dude. So I think it's. 246 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:57.720 It's you just have access to more sensory inputs. And 247 00:12:57.759 --> 00:13:00.879 that's a difficult thing to describe because it's it's way 248 00:13:00.919 --> 00:13:04.320 more than just heightened sound or heightened senses or heightened sight. 249 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:07.399 It's you have and it's not just that synesthesia where 250 00:13:07.399 --> 00:13:10.399 you're you know, you're tasting sounds or you're you're feeling 251 00:13:10.960 --> 00:13:14.240 different colors and shit like that, but it is really 252 00:13:14.399 --> 00:13:19.679 you are acquiring new abilities to take information and that 253 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:21.279 like I said, I don't have a name for those, 254 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:22.840 I don't know what the fuck they are. I just 255 00:13:22.960 --> 00:13:26.120 know that, you know, you are able to receive information, 256 00:13:26.200 --> 00:13:28.960 whether it be telepathically. You know, people use the words 257 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:33.120 all the time like DNA download, I've had upgrades, you know, 258 00:13:33.200 --> 00:13:36.279 all of these these terms because it's it's a it's 259 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:39.639 a different way of getting knowledge. It's not just having 260 00:13:39.720 --> 00:13:44.159 some guy speak in English telling you a lecture. It's 261 00:13:44.679 --> 00:13:47.519 it's a weird way of absorbing knowledge and you you 262 00:13:47.600 --> 00:13:50.200 feel it to your core, and you you know, you 263 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.759 don't fucking unsee that stuff like it's it's the sta 264 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:55.799 with you yeah, absolutely, the whole thing does, like you 265 00:13:56.200 --> 00:13:59.720 just don't forget it, Like that feeling is so in 266 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:03.320 miss stakable that you know it is escaping for sure. 267 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:05.120 I mean especially for me, I've only ever done it 268 00:14:05.159 --> 00:14:07.720 one time, so I mean compared to you, I mean, 269 00:14:08.679 --> 00:14:11.480 just out of curiosity, if you had to put a 270 00:14:11.600 --> 00:14:14.080 number on the amount of times that you've done DMT, 271 00:14:14.240 --> 00:14:14.960 could you do that? 272 00:14:15.399 --> 00:14:17.279 Oh fuck? So I would say, you know, how are 273 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:21.279 you counting it? So to me, each session is when 274 00:14:21.279 --> 00:14:25.759 you're taking three, four, five, when you're really pushing it, six, seven, 275 00:14:26.519 --> 00:14:28.039 eight hits if you have a eight pen, if you 276 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:33.080 can really fucking whack it. I mean that first day 277 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.720 I did I think seven eight sessions, and then within 278 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:40.159 the subsequent months I did dozens and dozens more so, 279 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:42.679 and then after that it just kept kind of going 280 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:45.679 to I mean I said on the last podcast hundreds 281 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.759 and put a plural on it. It was probably more 282 00:14:48.799 --> 00:14:50.759 close to one hundred. Then I would say, now it's 283 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:55.519 it's hundreds of sessions, which would equate to multiple hundreds 284 00:14:55.559 --> 00:14:57.519 of hits, which you know, even one hit is pretty 285 00:14:58.279 --> 00:14:58.879 pretty deep. 286 00:14:59.159 --> 00:15:00.519 And I've had the. 287 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:04.399 Whole realm of you know, interactions and you know, I'd 288 00:15:04.440 --> 00:15:08.799 be happy to get into listening to a couple of 289 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:09.320 your podcasts. 290 00:15:09.320 --> 00:15:09.480 Ago. 291 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:11.799 I know you have some kind of questions about the 292 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:14.759 entities and some of the more profound experiences, and I 293 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:16.600 know he went over a couple of them on the 294 00:15:16.639 --> 00:15:22.240 last interview, but there has been don't know, a couple 295 00:15:22.679 --> 00:15:26.120 new ones or more kind of outlandish like even that 296 00:15:26.159 --> 00:15:28.440 put me into like that what the fuck type space, 297 00:15:28.600 --> 00:15:31.399 But I'd be more than happy to field any type 298 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:34.320 of questions on that or how you want to stare 299 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:34.840 kind of. 300 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:38.279 Yeah, we'd love to hear him, dude, We'd definitely love 301 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:41.879 to hear him. And just out of curiosity, how are 302 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:44.559 you taking the d M T Is it five me EO? 303 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:47.759 Is it ayahuasca? Is it the what is it called 304 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:50.440 the buck? I can't remember the name of the type, 305 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.279 the mimosa hostilis or something like that. 306 00:15:54.080 --> 00:15:55.840 Yeah, so you just said a lot of things. So 307 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:59.720 most of hostilite is the plant and the main route 308 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:05.039 that typically you use to make the DMT crystals. So 309 00:16:06.360 --> 00:16:08.080 and in my book, I have recipes on kind of 310 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:10.120 going all over this. So I'd say the two main 311 00:16:10.159 --> 00:16:15.080 distinctions are if you're drinking it, so that's where ayahuasca is. 312 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:17.600 When you're hearing about these seven eight you know, ten 313 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.360 hour sessions where you're purging yourself and shitting yourself. That's 314 00:16:21.360 --> 00:16:23.600 where there's a lot of these retreats down in South America. 315 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:30.120 Uh Ayahuasca is specifically two ingredients. It's the the ayahuasca 316 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:33.240 root and then a shatroun a leaf I believe is 317 00:16:33.320 --> 00:16:35.080 the plant that they use for the d MT in 318 00:16:35.159 --> 00:16:37.159 that and it's it's the d MT plant and then 319 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.399 the maoi plant which allows the body to to not 320 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:44.879 break it down as fast. The crystals are made with 321 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:49.200 a simple extraction process and that's where it's basically comes 322 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:51.679 into like a powder form and if it heats up, 323 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:54.600 it turns into kind of like a wax the and 324 00:16:54.840 --> 00:16:57.720 that's typically what that's what I smoke. Just to answer 325 00:16:57.759 --> 00:17:02.000 your other questions, though, the five meo, that's a it's 326 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:05.680 a different molecule. It's similar, but that's where like the 327 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:08.839 Bufo toad when you hit people with the toad venom 328 00:17:08.880 --> 00:17:11.279 so that's a five meo. They also make a synthetic 329 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:16.279 fivemeo and that I have not done. That's on my 330 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:18.799 list of things I want to explore. My understanding is 331 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.359 that's even potentially like a step higher of just a 332 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:27.839 complete disconnect and kind of like you see even behind 333 00:17:27.839 --> 00:17:32.279 the scenes. Actually, you mentioned Danny Gola. He had a 334 00:17:32.279 --> 00:17:36.559 good interview with Zoltan authority from Five Fingers to Death Punch. 335 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:39.519 He goes over his five MEO experiences and I think 336 00:17:39.559 --> 00:17:41.920 he did a really good job of differentiating the two. 337 00:17:43.799 --> 00:17:44.039 Wow. 338 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:46.319 Yeah, that's that's crazy, dude. 339 00:17:46.359 --> 00:17:49.359 And I'm I'm only just curious about what the difference 340 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:52.359 is between them all because they all seem to be 341 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:56.039 kind of taken from other places. 342 00:17:56.079 --> 00:17:57.599 Like you mentioned the buffo toad. 343 00:17:57.759 --> 00:18:00.960 Sometimes it's the tree bark of the moment hostilis, which 344 00:18:01.039 --> 00:18:03.880 is actually a native tree to Texas, which is pretty 345 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:04.440 bad ass. 346 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:08.039 It's everywhere, the Acacia trees are everywhere. So my understanding 347 00:18:08.119 --> 00:18:11.240 is d mts and in all mammals, it's once again 348 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:14.960 indogynous to us. Uh, it's in you know, thousands of plants, 349 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:17.839 and it's in high enough concentrations where you know, there's 350 00:18:17.880 --> 00:18:21.160 several websites and you know that's where obviously when I've 351 00:18:21.200 --> 00:18:23.359 made my recipes, where I got it from, where they 352 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:26.240 sell all of those plants and and a lot of 353 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:30.279 them are shipped legally to the US. But as far 354 00:18:30.359 --> 00:18:33.720 as the crystal, so once you extract the crystal, uh, 355 00:18:33.720 --> 00:18:36.920 there's typically two ways of smoking it. You can put 356 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:38.920 it in a regular like marijuana pipe, and you put 357 00:18:38.960 --> 00:18:40.640 a little bit of weed or tobacco underneath it so 358 00:18:40.720 --> 00:18:42.799 it doesn't just get sucked through, and you know, you 359 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:47.559 smoke it like keif or like you know, dab crystals 360 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:51.200 or something like that. Well, they make rigs specifically for 361 00:18:51.200 --> 00:18:53.839 for that purpose. You know that they kind of look 362 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:57.079 a little I don't say crack pipe ish, but I 363 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:00.400 mean they are. It's it's a crystal you know, you pipe. 364 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.759 But my preferred method is, if I'm really trying to 365 00:19:04.759 --> 00:19:07.319 blast off and get really really deep, I'll take just 366 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:09.640 a regular weed pipe. I'll put just a tiny amount 367 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:11.599 of weed in the bottom to block the hole, and 368 00:19:11.640 --> 00:19:13.960 then I'll put more than I can more than I 369 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:15.640 can consume, you know. So, and in my book, I 370 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.839 typically say, you know, three or four peppercorns. As far 371 00:19:18.920 --> 00:19:21.359 as size, like, I never weigh anything. I typically just 372 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:25.599 do it visually, but I'll typically put a little bit 373 00:19:25.680 --> 00:19:27.519 more than that, and then you know, you can kind 374 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:30.359 of keep reusing that weed screen. So to speak, because 375 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:33.119 it just absorbs, absorbs all of that that crystal when 376 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:37.079 it turns to wax. But if you can take, in 377 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:39.319 my opinion, that first hit is what really really sets 378 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:41.400 it off. So if you take a deep, long, powerful 379 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.480 hit and really fucking roast that crystal that first time, 380 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:47.680 you're really gonna blast off, and it's difficult to take 381 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:51.039 the second, third and if you can fourth hit, fifth hit, 382 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:54.839 But that's really where you push the boundaries of blast 383 00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:55.960 full full, blast off. 384 00:19:56.119 --> 00:19:59.240 But you know, as reality just going away, right, do 385 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:01.599 you ever get nervous when you're about to like if 386 00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:02.920 you still get, you still. 387 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:07.920 Get every time with But that's why it takes ten, fifteen, 388 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:12.480 twenty minutes of sitting there breathing, prayer and meditate getting right. 389 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:16.319 But then the other way of doing it is kind 390 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:19.200 of microdosing it. And you know, even a small half 391 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:21.880 half a single hit is still gonna have a pretty 392 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:25.440 good effect on your physiology. But you know, I don't 393 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:27.920 know how much we got into this last time about 394 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:31.519 using it in you know, a sexual or intimate setting 395 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:33.680 where my girlfriend and I use it quite often, where 396 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:36.720 that's where the d MT pen can come in really 397 00:20:36.839 --> 00:20:41.640 really good. So you can like the the five ten 398 00:20:41.720 --> 00:20:45.440 carts that thhc you know, vape corts come in Basically 399 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:47.640 once you use them up, you can take the top off, 400 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:50.000 you put the DMT crystals in there, and if you 401 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:52.960 eat it with like a hair dryer, basically turns to 402 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:56.240 an oil and you can vape it. Just just like 403 00:20:56.279 --> 00:20:56.920 you're doing. 404 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.920 That, dude, I don't know how, just out of curiosity, 405 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:02.559 like and not to get too up in your business 406 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:05.759 and personal here, but every time I've done mushrooms. 407 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:07.559 This is gonna be a little graphic. 408 00:21:07.599 --> 00:21:10.000 I'm sorry for the ladies out there, but every time 409 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:14.319 I am tripping, there is no getting me hard dude, Like, 410 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:17.000 that's just not happening, Like, I don't know how how 411 00:21:17.000 --> 00:21:17.960 are you getting there? 412 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:22.680 First of all, you've done it hundreds of times a 413 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:23.000 couple of. 414 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:29.880 A couple of things shrooms. Actually I use shrooms for 415 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:34.799 like hod call like tantric sex, like three four five 416 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:36.839 hour Like I listened to like a three and a 417 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:38.880 half hour playlist before I me and my girlfriend are like, 418 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:41.160 what the fuck just happened? Where did that go? So 419 00:21:41.359 --> 00:21:45.480 I think maybe into what what you're just saying, it's 420 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.480 it's nearly impossible to get hot or to get aroused, 421 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:50.920 to get you know, in that state. If you can 422 00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:54.200 get there, it's almost impossible not to. So it's it's 423 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:55.720 all in your head, it's all in your body. And 424 00:21:55.720 --> 00:21:58.039 once you can make that switch and kind of click, 425 00:21:58.720 --> 00:22:02.640 and obviously, like anything, it takes practice, but yeah, that's 426 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:05.680 shrooms can get you into that place where then once again, 427 00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:08.400 not to be too graphic, but I mean viiagra on 428 00:22:08.880 --> 00:22:10.519 steroids on shrooms for. 429 00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:12.839 Right. 430 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:16.119 But to answer your question about the d M, t uh. 431 00:22:16.400 --> 00:22:18.839 The first time I tried it was kind of embarrassing. 432 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:21.279 So my my actual plan was I wanted to try 433 00:22:21.519 --> 00:22:27.319 to time climax of orgasm with taking a blast and 434 00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:28.599 a hit. And I was going to try to, like 435 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:31.519 write when I'm talking about to put to blow my load, 436 00:22:31.599 --> 00:22:32.839 to take a hit and be like see if I 437 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:35.559 can have these crazy That didn't happen. 438 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:37.599 He's a scientist man, all right. 439 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:41.599 It was data collection, but that yeah, so as soon 440 00:22:41.599 --> 00:22:43.680 as I took a hit. And I want to preface 441 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:46.440 this with the woman I'm with and I'm still with, 442 00:22:46.519 --> 00:22:48.599 and her name is Alicia. She's the one that wrote 443 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:52.240 actually the chapters in my book. We've we've explored a 444 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:54.480 lot of intimate settings together. We had a lot of 445 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:57.119 conversations prior to this, you know, so we were really 446 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:01.480 comfortable with one another, and you know, our ability to 447 00:23:01.559 --> 00:23:04.400 kind of really trust one another is paramount to all 448 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:07.799 this happening. But that so we're in the mix of it. 449 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:10.559 I had the pen there, everything's ready to go, and 450 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:13.440 as soon as I took that hit, I've completely lost 451 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:15.960 my erection. All the blood went from below my waist 452 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:18.839 up to my head. I started completely just going into 453 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:22.440 a deep, deep trip. And you know, in that particular case, 454 00:23:22.440 --> 00:23:24.319 she knew what to do, which is just hold me, 455 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:27.599 come to me, comfort me, hold my space. But the 456 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:30.039 good thing again about DMT is it only last five 457 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:32.920 six minutes. So as I'm coming out, we were both 458 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:35.319 kind of like, all right, what the fuck? Like, all right, 459 00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:37.279 we're gonna kind of plan that one a little bit 460 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:39.880 a little bit better because that's not going to fucking happen. 461 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:43.039 But so then we took it to all right, let's 462 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:46.240 try to take smaller hits, and you know, have one person. 463 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:48.880 So again not to get into all the details, but say, 464 00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:53.039 you know, she would smoke and I would just service her, 465 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:55.319 so to speak. So that way you know, I'm all arouse, 466 00:23:55.359 --> 00:23:57.599 I'm into it. Everything's good. And then we would switch 467 00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:59.559 off and then so that way, we kind of did 468 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:02.680 it slow and we weren't trying to maximize it in 469 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:06.079 ten minutes, and we were really trying to make it last. 470 00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:09.359 And you know, so after doing a single hit a 471 00:24:09.400 --> 00:24:10.839 couple of times, now you want to push it a 472 00:24:10.880 --> 00:24:16.039 little bit further. That pen is great again if if 473 00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:18.599 you like sixty nine ing, I mean, honestly, to take 474 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:21.400 a eight pen d MT in sixty nine is probably 475 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:23.599 one of the best ways to spend a weekend. Not 476 00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:25.559 what's not to be too graphic, but if you're into 477 00:24:25.559 --> 00:24:27.920 that shit and you're into connecting with your partner and me, 478 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:33.200 and you're inter exploring how your body really it gets 479 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:35.880 to feel all of its its senses in a really 480 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:36.559 profound way. 481 00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:41.279 No, that makes a lot of sense, dude, And I actually, uh, 482 00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:42.359 have you. 483 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:48.200 Ever miles over there laughing his ass off, but just 484 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:50.000 just and I may have asked you this before, but 485 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:52.359 have you tried four ACO d mt four a c 486 00:24:52.480 --> 00:24:52.920 O DMT. 487 00:24:53.359 --> 00:24:56.079 So I've done that like plenty of times, and I'm 488 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:58.279 super comfortable with it. I get I still get like 489 00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:00.799 a little rambunctious and excited every time it's about to 490 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:02.839 go down because I know I'm about to enter into 491 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:07.440 a fucking reality that is very different. But whenever I 492 00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:11.119 get a few times actually, especially like if I'm alone 493 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:14.119 or you know, just kind of you know, I don't 494 00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:16.279 have to worry about anything else or kids or any 495 00:25:16.279 --> 00:25:17.880 of that other shit, which I would never do this 496 00:25:17.960 --> 00:25:22.599 if I have my kids, because fuck that. But there's 497 00:25:22.640 --> 00:25:24.880 been times where, dude, I the only way I can 498 00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:31.119 describe it is that I feel like I'm getting fillatio 499 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:35.759 across every single square inch of my body. And it's 500 00:25:35.839 --> 00:25:39.519 because it's not just like a one spot thing, you 501 00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:42.480 know what I'm saying. Like it literally feels like something 502 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.680 is holding you and caressing you and loving you in 503 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:49.160 every single possible way. Maybe it's just that dimension. I 504 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.400 don't know what it is, but it's it's like, dude, 505 00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:55.839 it's all encompassing, like love in every way. That's basically 506 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.319 what I'm trying to say, Like, imagine being loved exactly 507 00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:01.200 how you want to be loved, if you could pick 508 00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:03.200 one moment for the rest of your life and live 509 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:06.319 in that, That's what it feels like to me anyway. 510 00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:09.680 Yeah, and more than just the tactile sensation as well, 511 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:14.359 so the heightened sense of smell, of taste, of sight, 512 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:17.519 of you know, you really, all of those things get 513 00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:21.160 amplified and accentuated. And then once again the new senses 514 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:24.400 come in, so you know, try having the most intimate 515 00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:28.160 of situations and then you've you're tacking on all these 516 00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:31.559 other ways of mending and you know, forming with one another. 517 00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:35.400 It really is, it's it's powerful. And then so then 518 00:26:36.400 --> 00:26:39.680 what not to sound too county, but like the snuggles afterwards, 519 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:42.119 when you're integrating what the fuck you just saw, that's 520 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:45.880 really where the work, the deep relationship work can come in. 521 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:49.039 And that's where you know, incorporating the feminine aspects the 522 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:52.880 masculine really being able to understand. I mean, at that point, 523 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:56.319 you're so raw and exposed. There's nothing that you haven't shared, 524 00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.519 and it's it's it's really helpful to for me anyway 525 00:26:59.559 --> 00:27:02.880 with my own personal therapy and exploration of myself. You know, 526 00:27:02.920 --> 00:27:06.200 I'm certainly not fixed and enlightened. I'm still in the 527 00:27:06.240 --> 00:27:09.160 midst of my my transformation and journey and all that shit, and. 528 00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:13.640 It's never end the journey. I think I feel like. 529 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.119 That buddy be there for you like that. 530 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:19.000 Oh dude, Yeah, that's that is amazing. I'm so happy 531 00:27:19.039 --> 00:27:21.359 you have that person that you can just fall all 532 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:22.000 the way into. 533 00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:23.119 That is that's special. 534 00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:25.160 Not a lot of people have that, even married people 535 00:27:25.200 --> 00:27:27.759 who've been together for twenty years don't have that, you know, 536 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.440 and uh so, yeah, it's it's a special thing. 537 00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:32.119 It sounds like. 538 00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:35.799 Before you just kind of glass over that point that 539 00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:39.799 that that's one of the real beyond therapeutic, where in 540 00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:42.799 my case it was mental health or suicidal adiation or depression. 541 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.559 I think there's a lot to be said about a 542 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:49.160 couple's therapy or you know, the more you can understand 543 00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:51.960 yourself and know yourself and then love yourself, that that 544 00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.240 can then extend to your meat. And I know, in 545 00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:57.279 my personal situation, I had three long term relationships and 546 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:00.440 horribly uh and that was because that when I was 547 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.559 still you know, a drunk, narcissistic, bligering asshole like all 548 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:09.200 the crap that I was before. Where now the relationships 549 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.160 not only with my girlfriend but every person that I 550 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:17.359 interact with, because I extend that same love and acceptance 551 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.720 and worthiness that I know I have, I extend that 552 00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.519 to everybody else as well, even if they're an asshole. 553 00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:24.359 I kind of almost give them a pass and just 554 00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:26.400 be like whatever, they're having a bad day or maybe whatever, 555 00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:28.799 they're just a prick, but that's their role in life. 556 00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:32.519 But yeah, it really helps dealing with relationships. Like you're 557 00:28:32.559 --> 00:28:35.480 you know, you you spend three or four hours having 558 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:38.240 a shroom sex tantric sex session with your partner and 559 00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.680 you've just explored the deepest aspects of your consciousness. You're 560 00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:43.920 not going to wake up and bitch because the milk 561 00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:46.000 wasn't in the right spot in the fridge and how 562 00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:49.839 you left your shoes in the doorway, Like you're going 563 00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:51.680 to be you know, yeah, like you're really going to 564 00:28:51.759 --> 00:28:55.160 be thinking about whatever, what's your role in eternity and 565 00:28:55.240 --> 00:28:56.720 what's the next step of your soul? 566 00:28:57.559 --> 00:28:57.759 Right? 567 00:28:58.240 --> 00:28:59.480 I feel like that's a I feel like that's a 568 00:28:59.519 --> 00:29:01.720 superpower man. You know, if you can look at people, 569 00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:04.000 even if someone's being an asshole and still have that 570 00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:07.480 empathy or that that love you know, to express, I 571 00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:09.519 feel like that's just a superpower man. 572 00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:11.880 So you're talking about the senses that you can. 573 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.160 You said that you have not an issue, but that 574 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:16.519 you were kind of seeing almost like a lack of synchronicities. 575 00:29:16.559 --> 00:29:18.480 And you mentioned that because maybe at work you just 576 00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:20.359 have so much noise and chay, yeah, just a lot 577 00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:24.799 of bad energy. And yeah, you know, I felt it 578 00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:26.640 in your voice when you were saying that, and it's like, 579 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.759 I feel for you because you're really going to have 580 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:33.000 a protective shell because man, those assholes really will throw 581 00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:36.240 that plaque and glob it onto where not only you're 582 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:39.079 not being able to really shine your beauty and light 583 00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.200 and your uniqueness and creativity, but you're not being able 584 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.440 to see the synchronicities and take it in from other people. 585 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.599 So yeah, the assholes around you really have to be 586 00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:49.519 held at check. 587 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.039 Yeah, dude, And I feel like it just drains you, 588 00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.440 you know what I mean, you just feel so exhausted, 589 00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:59.799 and I feel like that that can't be underestimated, you know, 590 00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:01.599 I feel like, you know, you can say that, but no, 591 00:30:01.759 --> 00:30:03.519 I feel like it's a real thing. Man, when you're 592 00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:06.319 around people that are just miserable all the time, and 593 00:30:06.559 --> 00:30:09.799 you know, it literally will affect your entire day or 594 00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.079 even weak, you know, because you come home and you're 595 00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:13.480 just you're just tired. 596 00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:13.599 Man. 597 00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:16.240 You don't even have time to do something extra for yourself, 598 00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.200 for your family. It's like there's a lot to that man, 599 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:21.759 and well, you know, yeah so and. 600 00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:23.799 This is a practical thing. I mean, you look like you're, 601 00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:27.839 you know, a physically capable man. So I'm sure like 602 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:29.319 people are not just going to go around and stop 603 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:34.480 pushing you around be that like. And I work landscaping 604 00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.680 with a bunch of like burly guys, and I'm always 605 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:41.160 that guy that singing, dancing laugh and I'm always busting 606 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:43.799 jokes like if somebody's a miserable prick, I will be 607 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.119 on them all day about why they're a miserable prick. 608 00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:48.799 And you know, not to really pull a scab and 609 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:51.079 you know, try to make the childhood traumas come out, 610 00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:55.000 but to really not stand for it, like you know, 611 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:59.680 to demand a kind of resident bubble around you of 612 00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:02.400 only an energy that's acceptable to you. And if somebody 613 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.559 comes into you like I'm and no, not to just 614 00:31:05.599 --> 00:31:08.240 make light of it, but it's like smelling a fucking fart, 615 00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:11.119 like if somebody comes in with bad energy, or it's like, man, 616 00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:12.880 what do you get out of here? Like you really 617 00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:17.240 there's no tolerance for it, and I almost find it enjoyable. 618 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.640 To call out the asshole, to call out the dick, 619 00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:21.799 or to call out and it maybe even be like 620 00:31:21.880 --> 00:31:24.279 the other day, my friend's eighty two year old grandmother. 621 00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:27.440 I absolutely love her, but she gives shit to all 622 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:29.519 of her family members. And she sat there and she 623 00:31:29.599 --> 00:31:31.279 was at the house for like three minutes, and she's 624 00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:32.920 yelling at him to throw a burger on the grill 625 00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:36.000 because she's hungry. And I'm like, you know, everybody else 626 00:31:36.079 --> 00:31:38.319 is walking on eggshells around her. And I went up 627 00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:39.759 to her, kissed her on the forehead, told her I 628 00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:41.839 loved her, and I said, you know why you are already 629 00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:43.720 yelling at people. I said, you've been here for three minutes. 630 00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.440 You're already being a jerk. And it's like everybody's like, oh, 631 00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:48.680 you can't talk. It's like, no, yeah, you can, like 632 00:31:48.720 --> 00:31:50.799 get into the old lady. But as you give her 633 00:31:50.839 --> 00:31:52.440 a hug, glover and then tell her I'll get you 634 00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:54.480 something to eat before the burger, you know, So it's 635 00:31:54.759 --> 00:31:57.559 telling her to go pound sand, but don't come around 636 00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.200 here to a family event where everybody's laughing joking, what 637 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:01.279 because grandma's here? 638 00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:02.799 We got all right? 639 00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:05.160 Yeah, the last thing you want to do is shrink 640 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.799 down and be what you need to be for that environment, 641 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:11.680 you know, instead, you know, be be exactly you for 642 00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:12.519 that environment. 643 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.599 Yeah, and in any case, you know, if you see 644 00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:18.279 a tough guy being an asshole, or if you see 645 00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.279 a woman treating a guy like shit. I mean, it 646 00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:24.079 works works both ways. Like I don't know you have 647 00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:25.400 to say that I'm walking around as some like in 648 00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:27.920 force or some like moral judge. But I mean, you know, 649 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:29.759 if somebody's really being a dick or not, and you 650 00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:32.519 know somebody and at the same token, really you know, 651 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:36.920 be forthright with the compliments, compliment that the people that 652 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.519 are spreading positive aspects of it. 653 00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:41.720 But yeah, dude, for sure, man. 654 00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:43.400 I thought about you when I heard you say that. 655 00:32:43.680 --> 00:32:46.759 I thought I appreciate that, man, I really appreciate that. Yeah, because, 656 00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:48.279 like I said, it was a real thing. Man, I 657 00:32:48.319 --> 00:32:49.839 was really going through it. So I feel like it's 658 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:51.720 it's getting a little bit better, you know, like I'm 659 00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:55.039 not a very confrontational person, like whatsoever. And so, but 660 00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:58.160 then there's also those urges to be like, hey, man, 661 00:32:58.319 --> 00:32:59.799 you know, like what did you do that for? Like 662 00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:03.640 some people are just so unaware of like their their surroundings. 663 00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:05.200 You know, and they just like bump into you, and 664 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.480 it's like, dude, you know, I want to say something, 665 00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:10.279 but then I'm, like I said, I'm not very confrontational, 666 00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:11.799 and so I just kind of let it go. 667 00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.079 And then that kind of eats at me. 668 00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:15.079 Because, like I said, I'm shrinking down and not really 669 00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:18.200 standing up for myself, you know. And so i'lite at you. 670 00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:20.279 But I'm working on it, you know. So I appreciate 671 00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:21.559 you taking the time for that. 672 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:25.640 Yeah. Fuck the assholes's deliberating to not care. 673 00:33:25.920 --> 00:33:28.039 Oh dude, it's the best feeling ever. 674 00:33:28.359 --> 00:33:31.680 Yeah, But look, I do kind of want to get 675 00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:35.599 into some of your experiences, bro, especially since it's been 676 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:37.720 a little while since we've had you on. I'm sure 677 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:42.039 you have gone to that realm plenty of times. I mean, 678 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.720 do you feel like you're learning something new every time 679 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:48.079 or do you ever are you learning something new every 680 00:33:48.119 --> 00:33:50.640 time or do you ever go back to a place 681 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:56.240 that you've been to before while on DMT or both both. 682 00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:00.839 I feel like each time is really a unique profile experience, 683 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:06.079 and you know, not every time is profound interactions with entities, 684 00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:09.280 Not every time is a DNA download, Not every time 685 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:12.760 is interaction with aliens and shit like that, but even 686 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:16.719 the more mundane where you're you're sitting there and kind 687 00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:18.599 of enjoying the show. Like I would say, the more 688 00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:21.360 mundane ones where you're not really having that breakthrough experiences, 689 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.119 you know, like you're in a three d imax theater 690 00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:26.639 with all of the bells and whistles and you're just 691 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:31.840 enjoying this vibratory home and symphony of all the you know, 692 00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:35.199 the beautiful sights and sounds and spinning mondolism. You know 693 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:39.880 that that's enjoyable now. I would also want to preface it. 694 00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:43.159 Most times I'm doing this, it's in bed at night, 695 00:34:43.360 --> 00:34:47.519 typically before bed, and normally with with my girlfriend holding 696 00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:49.840 space with me there. So it's it's in a very 697 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.360 comfortable setting. It's not like I'm outdoors. I don't have 698 00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.599 to worry about people coming in. I'm about It's comfortable 699 00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:57.960 and relaxed as it can be. And that's after a 700 00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:00.320 you know, like I said, a fifteen minute you know, 701 00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:06.079 session of a prayer of gratitude. So where was I 702 00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:06.599 going with that? 703 00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.719 Well, just that you know, it's not always aliens, it's 704 00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:11.880 not always the same thing, but sometimes. 705 00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.440 So sometimes it is just comfortable, like all right, I'm 706 00:35:14.440 --> 00:35:17.599 just gonna lay my head down on the pillow, and really, 707 00:35:17.719 --> 00:35:20.119 sometimes you want to open your eyes, sometimes you want 708 00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:21.760 to shut them. Sometimes you want to cup your ears, 709 00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:23.679 sometimes you want to have music in the background. But 710 00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:28.280 even the more mundane ones are, in my opinion, a 711 00:35:28.320 --> 00:35:31.639 good practice in knowing what your body is capable of, 712 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.159 because you're still experiencing the elevated state and just more 713 00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:43.480 data points than your normal walking state. The ones that 714 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:47.719 you really blast through and enter that space where kind 715 00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:52.920 of the unexplained happenings and interactions happen. That that's maybe, 716 00:35:53.480 --> 00:35:57.440 I mean, it's less than half, you know, maybe one 717 00:35:57.519 --> 00:35:59.519 or two out of ten, you're you're really getting that 718 00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:02.639 like shit, where it's the insectoid interactions or the alien 719 00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:05.400 interactions or but yeah, I guess there's a couple that 720 00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:08.840 I'd like to point out. But as we already talked 721 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:12.480 about Danny Gola in the laser experiment, and I did 722 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:14.519 do a video about that and I kind of shared 723 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:16.760 my experience. But if I could, if you're interested in it, 724 00:36:16.760 --> 00:36:19.519 because I think there's a couple, there's two take homes. 725 00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:23.239 I really want to take a state about that. First 726 00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:26.239 is the first time that I went to do it, 727 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:28.719 so I had spoken with him, he sent me a laser. 728 00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.760 You know, I was all excited. I had everything set up, 729 00:36:32.119 --> 00:36:34.719 and I don't want to say that I was was 730 00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.960 cocky or arrogant, but I just mentioned about this process 731 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.079 that I normally have where it's normally about meditation and 732 00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:44.239 a reflection, intimacy like all of these things. But this 733 00:36:44.320 --> 00:36:45.840 was kind of the first time where it was this 734 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:48.880 kind of external third outside, like all right, I want 735 00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:51.760 to look at this laser and I'm trying to whatever, 736 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:56.119 get get data or look at something. And so I 737 00:36:56.119 --> 00:36:59.119 had everything set up, I had the I had I 738 00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:00.440 had it set u where I could kind of lay 739 00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:02.039 on the ground if I wanted to kind of like 740 00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:04.480 collapse and just kind of be with the d MT. 741 00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:08.400 And I took way too big of a hit that 742 00:37:08.679 --> 00:37:12.559 that first hit, and I just instantly like had a 743 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:14.920 semi breakthrough blast off, and it was like, yeah, no 744 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:17.599 fucking way, I'm not propping myself up, I'm not staring 745 00:37:17.599 --> 00:37:19.400 at a wall. I'm certainly not trying to not get 746 00:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.119 a laser in my eye. And I just I wrote 747 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.360 it out, I laid down, and I enjoyed my session 748 00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:27.840 and I kind of the point of that was first 749 00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:30.599 and foremost, you really need to respect the power of 750 00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:33.239 that molecule. It's not something really nearly just go into. 751 00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:36.239 I would say, you know, I wouldn't just be smoking 752 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:38.719 DMT just to try to see this laser code. I 753 00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:42.440 would I would say, probably something that should be left 754 00:37:42.480 --> 00:37:44.599 for maybe people that have explored it at least a 755 00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:47.599 few times before looking at it. So that was the 756 00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.079 first kind of thing is really prepare for the DMT experience. 757 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.639 Priority over if you can see a laser or code, 758 00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:58.159 or if you have a glass of water to shride 759 00:37:58.159 --> 00:38:00.239 the laser and whatnot. You know, really make sure you 760 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:03.920 you're taking care of yourself first. That being said again, 761 00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:06.960 because it lasts seven eight minutes. After I kind of recouped, 762 00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:08.519 I was like, all right, let's get into this. And 763 00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:14.239 there was so normal, normal DMT state. There's all this 764 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:18.119 dynamic movement that there's nothing that stays still and this 765 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.920 really kind of weird physics happens where everything's intertwining and 766 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.320 going in and out, and so that that's all happening, 767 00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:29.159 and there is that normal chaotic vision. And then if 768 00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:32.679 anybody just looks at a laser normal with without any DMT, 769 00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:35.920 you'll see little swirly kind of movements too, and some 770 00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:38.320 of it's maybe reflecting off of dust. Some of it 771 00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:43.719 is like just that natural movement. And yeah, there's that 772 00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.039 that that speckle, and then there's also like swirls and 773 00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:49.000 there are people that that when they talk about the 774 00:38:49.079 --> 00:38:52.320 laser experiment and he's he points it out too, that 775 00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:54.360 that is an aspect you do see that and those 776 00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:58.159 those are two dynamic aspects of smoking DMT and looking 777 00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:01.440 at a laser that is not the code, And to 778 00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:04.079 find the code, it's like you have to kind of 779 00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:08.960 peel through layers. It really is just really getting to that. 780 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:10.719 It's almost the best way to describe it is if 781 00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:12.840 you're trying to focus in on a microscope, So if 782 00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:14.960 you have something under a slide and you're whatever looking 783 00:39:14.960 --> 00:39:17.239 at an onion peel in order to get through all 784 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:21.119 the layers, you know, it really depends on how far 785 00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:23.119 you are. So if you're trying to find this specific 786 00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:26.320 layer of that, you really need to refine that area 787 00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.320 once you And the first time I did it, I 788 00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:32.440 saw it four times and I smoke. I did four 789 00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:34.559 sessions that time, and each time I saw the laser 790 00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.159 after really excuse me, the code, after really looking for it, 791 00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:43.119 and within all the crazy chaotic swirling where there's no 792 00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:46.559 boundaries and everything's kind of doing its own thing, there 793 00:39:46.639 --> 00:39:50.559 was these streaming lines and columns of very distinct its 794 00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:54.599 own It wasn't part of the fluid dynamic. 795 00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:56.320 Of either layer of everything else dynamic. 796 00:39:56.440 --> 00:40:00.639 It was and it was very very straight up and 797 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:04.880 down columns that really were like the raining matrix and 798 00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.199 that movie matrix, like the raining code that they start 799 00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:10.559 the movie off with. But what I found was also 800 00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:14.199 unique was as those columns were kind of scaling down, 801 00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:19.559 the symbols as they matched up horizontally. You know, if 802 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:21.840 you had one angle like this and then another angle 803 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:23.960 like this, it would kind of connect and kind of 804 00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.719 make a line, and then if the other angle had 805 00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.079 like a C and then nailone connected. So as these 806 00:40:28.119 --> 00:40:34.119 columns were going, it also had these not parallel perpendicular 807 00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.880 codes that were like skimming through it. And it was 808 00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:45.360 a really distinct, separate and ordered set of information that 809 00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:48.719 I've never seen that type of order where that it 810 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:52.480 was really, like I said, just ninety degree angles upright 811 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:57.559 columns and something cascading down and then so that first 812 00:40:57.599 --> 00:40:58.800 time I did it, Like I said, I saw it 813 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:01.280 all four times. The next time I went to go 814 00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:02.639 do it, which was probably like a week and a 815 00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:06.239 half after, excuse me, I couldn't see it. And I 816 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:08.559 tried for a few minutes. I couldn't find it. Then 817 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:10.519 my eyes kind of got tired and I looked again 818 00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:14.199 and I couldn't see it. And you know, he uses 819 00:41:14.199 --> 00:41:17.639 the analogy of looking at like the old magic eye books, 820 00:41:17.639 --> 00:41:19.400 where you kind of have to focus in the image 821 00:41:19.400 --> 00:41:21.320 and once it pops, it pops, and it's very clear 822 00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.280 if it pops or not. But I think I had 823 00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:26.840 a long day. My eyes were fatigued. And again I 824 00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:29.719 didn't push it. It wasn't like, well, bucket, I got 825 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:34.159 to see the laser. I'm doing it tonight. So I 826 00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:36.599 can see how some people don't see it, or that 827 00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:40.119 it takes a little bit of practice. But for somebody 828 00:41:40.119 --> 00:41:42.480 that has seen a lot of visuals and a lot 829 00:41:42.480 --> 00:41:45.119 of weirds should go through my brain. That was a 830 00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:49.599 It stood out as something unique and it had its 831 00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.039 own structure. 832 00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:56.360 Did it seem like it had its own intelligence? 833 00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:00.760 You think? Would you say? No? No, it was just 834 00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:05.800 so I kind of okay, So like the entities. 835 00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:08.840 And whether however you wanted the justice the machine elves. 836 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:10.599 You know, all of those things are I would say 837 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:14.519 sentient beings and they are like that there's a form 838 00:42:14.559 --> 00:42:17.639 to him, and there there's there's an intelligence to him. Uh. 839 00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:22.480 This seemed the exact opposite. This seemed like looking at 840 00:42:22.480 --> 00:42:25.599 a computer Cole just running that there was it was 841 00:42:26.159 --> 00:42:28.079 mechanical technical, So. 842 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:28.840 What do you make of that? 843 00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:29.079 Then? 844 00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:29.960 Like what if? 845 00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.400 Well that that's what Danny says, It's like, what the 846 00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:33.400 fuck does that mean? What? 847 00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:35.840 It's everybody he's. 848 00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.920 You know, and in his defense, and I I appreciate 849 00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.719 how he words it. He's trying to sell a documentary 850 00:42:41.760 --> 00:42:45.440 and trying to sensatialize this really unique finding, and he's 851 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:47.719 saying it's kind of the code reality. And then it's 852 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:51.239 some sort of it states that this that we're in 853 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:55.159 a matrix so to speak. Now, you know that strong, 854 00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.880 colorful language, but what else are you going to use 855 00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:00.679 to describe this? You know, you can word it in 856 00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:04.880 other ways, but the d MT space alone is really 857 00:43:05.320 --> 00:43:09.559 unique and it makes you question our human footing so 858 00:43:09.639 --> 00:43:13.400 to speak. This this kind of makes it look like 859 00:43:13.400 --> 00:43:15.360 like it just adds one of those like fuck really 860 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:17.159 like I've gotta I better try to now find a 861 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:20.440 compartment to put this little asterisk in about with all 862 00:43:20.480 --> 00:43:23.559 this crazy chaos and all this dynamic movement, that there's 863 00:43:23.559 --> 00:43:28.440 some sort of divine order or like ye, and it's 864 00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.119 not binary because there was more than two symbols. And 865 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.639 I want to stress to a lot of people have asked, 866 00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:35.639 you know, we'll write them out, or if somebody could 867 00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:38.079 have a photographic memory, and what are they? Are they 868 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:45.039 like Japanese single symbols? Are they like hieroglyphics? I mean 869 00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:48.239 I could try to draw them out, I don't really 870 00:43:48.360 --> 00:43:50.320 not to, And I kind of agree with him that 871 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.239 it not to say it doesn't matter. I think that's 872 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:53.920 an important data point and it'd be nice to have 873 00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:55.679 a bunch of people kind of draw those out. But 874 00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:58.159 I don't think there's much you could really do with them. 875 00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:00.000 I don't you know, there isn't like a so called 876 00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.239 Rosetta stone or whatever that you were gonna match up with. 877 00:44:04.559 --> 00:44:06.920 Chad GBT has been doing a really good job at 878 00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.800 decoding certain language the the Boga sphere. 879 00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:12.519 That have you seen that. 880 00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:15.199 It's where it's like the dude, it's crazy, It's like 881 00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:18.199 this giant like not giant, but it's like a ball 882 00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.559 that's like a I don't know, maybe twice the size 883 00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.800 of a bowling ball that allegedly was floating in the 884 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.440 sky like some kind of orb or some kind of 885 00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:28.760 I don't even know what you would call it. But 886 00:44:29.679 --> 00:44:32.159 it was like this giant metal ball and on the 887 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:35.199 outside of it it had like all these inscriptions and 888 00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:38.960 some kind of code. It looked like it almost looked 889 00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.760 like mandola, like some kind of you know what. It 890 00:44:42.760 --> 00:44:44.800 really looked like. It looked like what you would see 891 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:48.719 in a crop circle. Let me let me try and 892 00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:53.639 pull it up because it is. It is wild. 893 00:44:54.039 --> 00:45:00.519 My girlfriend pulled up the Easter Island. They had a 894 00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.960 language and I can send you actually, I can send 895 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.199 it to your text if you want. But they had 896 00:45:05.400 --> 00:45:09.400 a board and it's like a not cool. I'm thinking 897 00:45:09.440 --> 00:45:11.960 Kuka bora but it starts with a K. But it's 898 00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:16.320 like this wooden plank that has all these weirds simply yeah. 899 00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:19.440 I mean, some people were questioning the validity of it, 900 00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:21.679 but other people have said, like they got it on 901 00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:24.519 camera as it was flying throughout the sky, and then 902 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:27.320 the story goes that it hit a power line and 903 00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:29.599 that caused it to go down, and so people went 904 00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:31.679 to go retrieve it, and whenever they went to go 905 00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:36.440 retrieve it, it was really hot. And then whenever they started 906 00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:38.679 to take it back, it's it has it has a 907 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:41.159 couple of weird properties. So they said that whenever they 908 00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:42.880 went to go retrieve it, that it was really hot, 909 00:45:42.920 --> 00:45:46.599 but it also weighed, like, I can't remember the exact amount, 910 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.000 they said that it was weighing like ten pounds, like 911 00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:51.119 it felt like it weighed about ten pounds. And then 912 00:45:51.159 --> 00:45:53.599 whenever they brought it back to the lab it like 913 00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:57.079 cooled off, like it went from hot to not just 914 00:45:57.159 --> 00:46:01.000 like lukewarm or whatever, like it got cold and it 915 00:46:01.119 --> 00:46:04.760 started weighing more. So it went from ten pounds to like, yeah, 916 00:46:04.840 --> 00:46:07.239 like went from ten pounds to like forty pounds, and 917 00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:10.079 just in the transition to the laboratory. And so whenever 918 00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:12.039 they were doing some scans on it, what they found 919 00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.320 was is that it's almost like one of those like 920 00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.639 those Russian dolls where it's a bunch of littleer, smaller 921 00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:20.960 balls on the inside. And but the weird thing is 922 00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:23.920 is that there's no weld marks, there's no cut marks 923 00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:26.800 or anything like that. That how would you get that 924 00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:28.519 in there? And so what they're saying is that we 925 00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:30.960 don't even have the technology to be able to do 926 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:31.719 that anyway. 927 00:46:31.880 --> 00:46:33.239 And I don't know if that's true or not. 928 00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:35.360 I don't know what the fucking technology we have nowadays, 929 00:46:35.360 --> 00:46:38.079 but that's just the story behind it. And anyway, so 930 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.960 somebody put this, if you look right here, there's like 931 00:46:42.000 --> 00:46:45.440 this this weird kind of symbols all the way around 932 00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:48.480 right here. And so they put that into chat GBT 933 00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:50.760 and had it decipher and there was like a message 934 00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:54.679 talking about like how humanity needs to raise its consciousness 935 00:46:55.159 --> 00:46:58.480 and like like wild shit, Like dude, I'm telling you 936 00:46:58.559 --> 00:46:58.800 it is. 937 00:46:59.599 --> 00:46:59.800 It is. 938 00:47:00.159 --> 00:47:03.000 Those are relatively simple symbols, how you know, it's not 939 00:47:03.079 --> 00:47:08.599 complex like a Japanese symbol or like that. That's what 940 00:47:08.639 --> 00:47:11.480 was in the Kiss, cascading rows like similar where it 941 00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:16.320 was two or three or four angles and or characters 942 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:18.760 at most, you know what I mean. It wasn't like 943 00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.719 really complex, which again, that that's what separates it where 944 00:47:22.280 --> 00:47:27.239 everything else is almost like infinitely complex. And you know, 945 00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:32.719 there is no just straight lines or codes or rows 946 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:37.199 or columns. Everything is just so not that where That's 947 00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:39.119 why it was like, oh, I don't see it. I 948 00:47:39.199 --> 00:47:40.519 don't see it. I don't see it. And it was like, 949 00:47:40.559 --> 00:47:42.920 oh fuck, that's it, and it was it kind of 950 00:47:42.960 --> 00:47:43.760 caught me off. God. 951 00:47:45.159 --> 00:47:48.519 And these symbols are they are they changing or morphing 952 00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:51.880 into different ones or are they staying pretty consistent once 953 00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:52.599 you see it? 954 00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:56.360 What I they stay consistent, but but they're going through 955 00:47:56.800 --> 00:47:59.159 but they're cascading down, you know, so almost like if 956 00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.639 you picture like tech blocks, So like each one of 957 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:05.000 those those Tetris blocks, like each pixel you know, has 958 00:48:05.039 --> 00:48:08.000 a symbol, and then the it falls down and falls 959 00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:11.360 down and the symbols kind of rain down on a 960 00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:12.519 replaced with the one above it. 961 00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.320 Wow, that's fascinating. 962 00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:18.079 And I saw different speeds in each column. So that's 963 00:48:18.119 --> 00:48:21.519 where the horizontal movement was weird, because as the columns 964 00:48:21.559 --> 00:48:25.639 were would kind of go, the horizontal movement would shoot 965 00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:30.039 out like I don't know, it was kind of like 966 00:48:30.320 --> 00:48:33.679 it looked almost like sideways lightning shooting out of the 967 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.679 rows that were cascading because the symbols would. 968 00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:39.519 Line up and and and so they're on the same axis. 969 00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:45.119 Then as far as like a spatial wise yes, oh again. 970 00:48:45.159 --> 00:48:48.039 So even even that there is a definitive access and 971 00:48:48.079 --> 00:48:50.559 that dm T space is a weird concept because there 972 00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:53.039 doesn't it seems to be more than three dimensions and 973 00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:55.880 certainly more than just a two dimension access. But this 974 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:59.159 is a two D plane that this you know, up 975 00:48:59.199 --> 00:48:59.480 down and. 976 00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:00.639 Left right right. 977 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.719 Wow, Yeah, it is, dude. 978 00:49:04.719 --> 00:49:07.840 It's so strange whenever we're just talking about like weird 979 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:09.880 code and stuff like that, Like I don't know what 980 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:11.679 to make of that buga sphere. I don't know what 981 00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:14.679 to make about what you're seeing with the d MT 982 00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:18.559 lasers and everything. But and you know, we've we've heard 983 00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:21.519 plenty of people speculate about, you know, what kind of 984 00:49:21.559 --> 00:49:24.400 reality are we living in. A couple of weeks ago, 985 00:49:24.440 --> 00:49:27.039 we had on this this woman that came on the show. 986 00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.360 Her name is the Quirky Cosmo, and she, like to 987 00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.519 her soul, believes that we are part that we may 988 00:49:34.599 --> 00:49:37.719 be in the eye of some kind of cosmic giant. 989 00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.840 And she was going into like why she believes that, and. 990 00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:45.639 Just wild I don't know, Like, and so if that's 991 00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:47.239 the case, which I don't believe it is, but if 992 00:49:47.440 --> 00:49:49.880 let's just play around with that, that we are some 993 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:53.199 kind of eyeball inside of some kind of cosmic giant 994 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:57.159 or whatever, Like would the coding that you see be 995 00:49:57.320 --> 00:50:01.199 some like I don't know, like the is it like 996 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:07.199 the like the nucleus walls that would be holding that 997 00:50:07.199 --> 00:50:09.360 that kind of code or something. I don't know, how 998 00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:10.440 weird you want to get here, but. 999 00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:13.320 Yeah, even like you're saying, and I don't know if 1000 00:50:13.360 --> 00:50:16.039 it's Ken Wilbur or you know, there's there's a philosophy 1001 00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:19.400 of kind of you know, like the mitochondria being absorbed 1002 00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:22.639 into single cells and then like they have their own 1003 00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.480 DNA and thinking about like cells being part of of 1004 00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:28.760 our system and think about bacteria and things like that. 1005 00:50:28.800 --> 00:50:32.960 So you know, there are potentially levels of consciousness that 1006 00:50:33.519 --> 00:50:36.719 you could see maybe could I could see maybe way 1007 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.000 that colorful argument could could. 1008 00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:42.519 Go, especially in the quantum realm, you know, like that 1009 00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:46.320 ship's all around us to the tiniest minute layer and 1010 00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:49.079 it seems to be its own little reality where physics 1011 00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.679 don't even matter there. And so you know, I I like, 1012 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.559 you know, playing around with the idea. Yeah, I like 1013 00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:57.639 playing around with the idea like what if we're the 1014 00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:01.039 quantum realm to and even and even your kind of thing, 1015 00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:03.440 you know, you know, you just never know that. I 1016 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:06.440 didn't know if like maybe you think you know that. 1017 00:51:06.760 --> 00:51:08.880 And I don't think anybody can tell you know you're wrong, 1018 00:51:09.880 --> 00:51:11.840 you know, like, I don't think anybody can can prove 1019 00:51:11.920 --> 00:51:15.079 that that wrong. I think, if anything, only thing you 1020 00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.159 can do is prove the limitations of the theories that 1021 00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:21.159 they have now. So I think we need more exploration 1022 00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:23.519 of these far out things. And I think even just 1023 00:51:23.559 --> 00:51:26.639 and I don't act like I understand quantum physics, you know, 1024 00:51:26.679 --> 00:51:29.920 to the to the depths, but I understand the concepts 1025 00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:35.840 and things do move in that that way that aren't 1026 00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:39.119 just based on space and time, and I've I've experienced 1027 00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:42.119 it personally. How it's like, how the fuck could that happen? 1028 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.159 And whether it be simple synchronicities that happen, or whether 1029 00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:48.719 it be you know, I mentioned in our last thing 1030 00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.079 how I had an interaction with what I considered my 1031 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:54.039 future self, you know, so how the fuck does that happen? 1032 00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:57.159 And so actually, you know that would be a good 1033 00:51:57.320 --> 00:52:01.199 a good segue too, as that's of our last conversation 1034 00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:04.159 that was the like, what's the one you know other 1035 00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.320 than that first day where DMT, I say, you know, 1036 00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:09.679 saved my life and I had my epiphany that kind 1037 00:52:09.679 --> 00:52:13.880 of whatever. So that that is probably the most profound 1038 00:52:13.920 --> 00:52:16.800 experience that I had. The other one after that was 1039 00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.199 the one I mentioned on our last interview, which was 1040 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.840 when I you know, so you're you're having interactions with 1041 00:52:23.159 --> 00:52:25.960 a lot of different archetypal entities. You're having some that adjusted, 1042 00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:29.280 some of that are more kind of stern. But then 1043 00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:31.840 I had one where it was a clear what I 1044 00:52:31.880 --> 00:52:34.000 thought and interact with my future self, and it was 1045 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:37.199 a completely different vibe, completely different energy, and it was 1046 00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:40.360 me kind of coming in to do a diagnostic check 1047 00:52:40.400 --> 00:52:42.639 and to kind of calm myself and to let me know, like, 1048 00:52:42.679 --> 00:52:45.400 this is you know, this is just part of the process. 1049 00:52:45.760 --> 00:52:49.039 So that was one of those Wow, this is above 1050 00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.800 and beyond normal weird DMT. This is really really weird 1051 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:53.360 DMT seeing yourself. 1052 00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:54.519 Yeah. 1053 00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:56.679 Yeah. And it wasn't just like me older with with 1054 00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:59.639 a longer beard, or me as as a you know, 1055 00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:06.119 old whatever, fucking different person. It really was a familiarity, 1056 00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:10.920 familiarity with my energy, my you know, my my being. 1057 00:53:11.000 --> 00:53:13.599 It really it wasn't familiar. It wasn't like, oh, that's 1058 00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:15.760 Uncle Johnny or that's my Pepe, or that's a long 1059 00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:19.039 lost friend or that it really was Oh shit, like that, 1060 00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:21.880 that's me coming in And uh. 1061 00:53:21.519 --> 00:53:23.639 Do you think that people can confuse me? Do you 1062 00:53:23.639 --> 00:53:25.480 think that people confuse that with God? 1063 00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:28.519 I know, No, I don't know. 1064 00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.039 No, interesting, not for me. 1065 00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:33.599 But like I said, that was a really clear you know, 1066 00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:38.079 my definition of God is an overatching energy. Whether it's 1067 00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:42.800 more of a energy, vibration, consciousness, you know, I don't 1068 00:53:42.800 --> 00:53:45.320 see it as like a single entity, whether that be 1069 00:53:46.280 --> 00:53:49.440 Jesus or Shiva or Buddha or anything like that. I 1070 00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:54.239 think those are aspects of that. But but then so 1071 00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.719 this was I say about how my girlfriend's typically there 1072 00:54:01.000 --> 00:54:04.360 I mentioned, and also you know, full disclosure that I'm 1073 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:06.480 in this transformative part of my life right where I 1074 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:08.519 had all this money in the past, where last time 1075 00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:10.679 I spoke with you, I was still living in my 1076 00:54:10.719 --> 00:54:13.519 beautiful parents' basement, which this is where I'm still at. 1077 00:54:14.519 --> 00:54:17.719 They took off for a vacation. My girlfriend wasn't with me. 1078 00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:22.559 It was a full moon, and I was My plan 1079 00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:26.199 was I'm gonna take the opportunity to push it, see 1080 00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:29.199 where I can go and really have a deep session 1081 00:54:29.199 --> 00:54:31.880 by myself and not like a ballsy like I need 1082 00:54:31.880 --> 00:54:33.960 my girlfriend that to hold my hand, but she is 1083 00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:35.440 typically they had a hold space. 1084 00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:40.880 For me, Like I said, space for you. It makes sense, yeah. 1085 00:54:40.719 --> 00:54:43.320 Because it's not like she's sitting there telling me what 1086 00:54:43.400 --> 00:54:45.800 to do or telling me to breathe or adjusting my 1087 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:48.639 body in any way. It's more just it's it really 1088 00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:50.519 is like an anchor. It's like you really have that 1089 00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.400 rope that's tied to your waist that you know there 1090 00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.119 is like even sometimes she will kind of actually say 1091 00:54:56.719 --> 00:54:59.199 in a soft voice like breathe, you know, just because 1092 00:54:59.199 --> 00:55:01.400 it's a fuck I breathed in however long. 1093 00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:03.679 Oh shit, that's terrifying. 1094 00:55:04.599 --> 00:55:08.320 But in this particular case, once again, I'm very comfortable 1095 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.440 and I'm gonna I'm gonna explore some some deeper realms. Well, 1096 00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:16.800 this was and it still stands out as the kind 1097 00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:20.639 of like what the fuck happened? So the normal interactions 1098 00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:24.039 with entities or with these other other beings are you 1099 00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:27.119 go into this this funky DMP space and there's these 1100 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:30.280 again santient beings that are interacting with you, whether it 1101 00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:33.679 be conversing telepathically, whether it be showing you things. Well, 1102 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:37.679 this was as soon as I took that first hit 1103 00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:41.960 there was no sights and sounds, there was no vibratory hume. 1104 00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:44.800 I was not in my room. I was not in 1105 00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:51.000 my bed. I instantly felt like I was basically I 1106 00:55:51.039 --> 00:55:52.760 don't want to say, like this is where I'm kind 1107 00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:54.679 of asking too, like putting my data out there, like 1108 00:55:54.719 --> 00:55:58.199 what the fuck? What is this? Like? I was abducted 1109 00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.159 and taken out of my room and I was in 1110 00:56:00.239 --> 00:56:03.920 this suspended space of like this blue gel, this blue 1111 00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:08.400 area where I couldn't move, which was the first time 1112 00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:10.000 I've I've so I've never been in a fight in 1113 00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:12.400 my life. I've never been restricted. I've never been to 1114 00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:14.920 the point where I couldn't I didn't have free will 1115 00:56:14.960 --> 00:56:18.639 of my body. This was the first time where it, 1116 00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:21.639 you know, it seems like it was a sleep paralysis 1117 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:26.079 type thing because I couldn't move, I couldn't do anything. 1118 00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:31.119 I was in this blue space, and I had a 1119 00:56:31.239 --> 00:56:34.400 really really clear distinct sensation of like a hot laser 1120 00:56:34.440 --> 00:56:36.800 scan going up the bottom of my feet and went 1121 00:56:36.920 --> 00:56:39.079 up my head and then out the bottom of my feet. 1122 00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:42.559 And if you've seen commercials, there's like this new like 1123 00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:45.440 rust removal laser where it'll take like an old hammer, 1124 00:56:45.559 --> 00:56:47.760 old rut right brench or something, and you see it 1125 00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:51.239 scan up the laser and scan back, and man, I 1126 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.920 fucking tell you it that it left my feet hot. 1127 00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:58.760 It shook me to my fucking core because there was 1128 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:00.800 no like I said, there was none of the crazy 1129 00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:03.280 iMac shit. There was no interaction. I didn't see any 1130 00:57:03.320 --> 00:57:05.519 like grays or any aliens. I didn't see any beings 1131 00:57:05.559 --> 00:57:09.760 at all. It was just instant blue space, can't move 1132 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.440 physically hot, going up my feet, traveling up my body 1133 00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:16.880 to my head and then back out my feet. And 1134 00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:21.599 I came out of that one. Uh really shook For 1135 00:57:21.920 --> 00:57:24.119 like an hour or so afterwards, I was just I mean, 1136 00:57:24.159 --> 00:57:26.000 I called my girlfriend, I called my friends, and I 1137 00:57:26.119 --> 00:57:29.360 was just like I I don't I think I was 1138 00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:32.880 not in my house or like something fucking happened. And 1139 00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:34.760 it was way beyond just Oh, I had a really 1140 00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:37.840 weird DMPT experience where I interacted with some weird shit. 1141 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.480 This was well, like I said. Was it just I 1142 00:57:41.519 --> 00:57:44.079 smoked way too much? Was it a combination of too 1143 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:45.480 much in a sleep paralysis? 1144 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:48.239 Was it you looked at the laser, the laser one 1145 00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:49.719 to look back at you kind of thing? 1146 00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:52.239 Who knows? Man, you sit there and we're gonna laser you. 1147 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:56.119 Yeah. Well that's why I think, And there is a 1148 00:57:56.199 --> 00:58:00.440 lot of similarities between the alien abduction or even you know, 1149 00:58:00.440 --> 00:58:03.559 someone like the cryptid sightings and stuff like that, because 1150 00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:08.679 once your your brain, your body, your your human vessel 1151 00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:12.400 is able to receive information at a different like I said, 1152 00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.199 vibratory state of frequency, you know, you can really let 1153 00:58:15.239 --> 00:58:19.119 in some some crazy shit. And I didn't. I didn't 1154 00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:23.920 feel any pain, there was no negative sensation. I don't 1155 00:58:23.920 --> 00:58:27.519 feel violated, there was no like sexual trauma if anything. 1156 00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:33.000 Like the next day, I felt stronger, I felt enriched, 1157 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:36.880 like it really you know, I'm trying to frame it 1158 00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:39.519 in a way like I was. My body was upgraded. 1159 00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:41.800 And actually this this is a way of how I've 1160 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:44.639 been trying to word it to differentiate it where you 1161 00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:47.199 know a lot of the profound insights or inputs that 1162 00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:49.880 you get now. I mentioned how it's like a DNA 1163 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:53.440 download or or an upgrade, because it is almost like 1164 00:58:53.480 --> 00:58:58.280 this instantaneous new information is now in my body. Well, 1165 00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:00.920 if we're using that computer now, g like a you know, 1166 00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:04.880 a software upgrade. That particular night felt that was a 1167 00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:07.639 hardware upgrade that was like no we're we're taking out 1168 00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:10.280 the fucking the new the board and we're putting in 1169 00:59:10.280 --> 00:59:13.400 a new one or where we're adding in a new whatever. 1170 00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:16.119 And there was a really like that was not a 1171 00:59:16.119 --> 00:59:19.320 software upgrade, that was a something happened to my body. 1172 00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.679 And that was the only time I've ever had that 1173 00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:24.920 that type of experience or feeling or sensation. 1174 00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:28.599 And the sensation you said that it wasn't painful, but 1175 00:59:28.679 --> 00:59:32.400 could you describe the sensation like any kind of feeling 1176 00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:34.400 at all or you just didn't really feel it, like. 1177 00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:40.119 Did you feel like I've had and maybe like a 1178 00:59:40.159 --> 00:59:43.440 tattoo feeling, but I've had as I'm getting older now, 1179 00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:46.000 like some like skin spots on my head that I've 1180 00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:47.920 had taken off with like a cosmetic laser. So I 1181 00:59:47.960 --> 00:59:50.159 don't know if anybody ever had any like what zapped 1182 00:59:50.239 --> 00:59:52.599 or hair zapped or anything like that, but it was 1183 00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.960 that type of like instant heat, and it was a 1184 00:59:56.039 --> 00:59:59.920 zapp where it wasn't necessarily painful, but it was the 1185 01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.400 it was an instant flash, but it moved, it scanned, 1186 01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:06.119 it moved up and out. I'm within seconds, so it 1187 01:00:06.159 --> 01:00:08.960 wasn't it wasn't anything that I mean, before I could 1188 01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:10.840 even sense that it was painful. It was done and 1189 01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:15.760 out and right like wow, sitting there with my nose 1190 01:00:15.840 --> 01:00:18.400 trip and snot being like what the fuck was that? 1191 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:21.360 And again to this day now, since that time, I've 1192 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:25.599 done it dozens dozens of time, I've pushed it really, 1193 01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:28.119 really deep. I've had interactions with enities, I've had all 1194 01:00:28.159 --> 01:00:30.360 sorts of weird shit since that day, but nothing even 1195 01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:35.199 remotely close to that, just like complete loss of control. 1196 01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:38.519 And so we talked about how it's your five senses 1197 01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:40.519 hyped up times you know, a million and then all 1198 01:00:40.559 --> 01:00:44.599 these extra senses. This was the exact opposite. It was 1199 01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:48.840 the removal of my ability to have any sensation or movement, 1200 01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:50.880 and I was just along for the ride. 1201 01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:53.599 I was probably in your best interest though, right, like 1202 01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:57.320 you probably if you had all of the the feelings 1203 01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.639 and the sensations and everything. Maybe, I don't know, was 1204 01:01:00.639 --> 01:01:03.519 it kind of like a numbing almost, Like is that 1205 01:01:03.599 --> 01:01:05.119 the way that you would look at it, Like maybe 1206 01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:07.199 they numbed your body so that you wouldn't have to 1207 01:01:07.239 --> 01:01:09.800 feel the intensity of the heat scan or whatever. 1208 01:01:10.119 --> 01:01:12.400 I don't know. I mean, I I just think maybe 1209 01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:15.679 the process isn't all that painful or but this is 1210 01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:17.119 where you asked me at the beginning, have you ever 1211 01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:21.599 recorded yourself or now. I've had times where I've had 1212 01:01:21.639 --> 01:01:24.199 some really like I felt as though, you know, you've 1213 01:01:24.239 --> 01:01:27.119 won some deep places. And when I come back and 1214 01:01:27.119 --> 01:01:30.519 ask Alicia what happened, She's like, yeah, you're it felt 1215 01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:32.519 like I was speaking with somebody else, or I felt 1216 01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:35.920 like your body was like instantly you were just like 1217 01:01:36.000 --> 01:01:39.199 a different you were, you know, beating and breathing as 1218 01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:42.280 a different being. And she said that's happened multiple times, 1219 01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:46.159 but oh my god, again she wasn't here this time 1220 01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:47.840 and no one was here, and that that would be 1221 01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:50.800 one of those I would really that would be the 1222 01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:55.239 one session that I would really enjoy to see because 1223 01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:57.440 you know it as much as I can talk about 1224 01:01:57.639 --> 01:02:00.800 the crazy out there shit, and I'm all about talking about, 1225 01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:03.199 like I said, different states of consciousness. I believe there 1226 01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:06.239 are UFOs, aliens and sentient beings and all that shit, 1227 01:02:06.840 --> 01:02:08.840 but I don't want to just haphazardly throw out there 1228 01:02:08.880 --> 01:02:12.000 like oh yeah, DMT and alien abduction and that's what happened. 1229 01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:15.719 I have no fucking idea, but the fact that I'm 1230 01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:18.960 so used to blasting off that deep and then either 1231 01:02:19.079 --> 01:02:21.719 shutting my eyes and being aware of my inner consciousness 1232 01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:24.440 in my inner world, or opening my eyes and looking 1233 01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:26.920 at the tapestries and looking at the fish tank and 1234 01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:29.599 looking at all that shit. This was neither one of those. 1235 01:02:29.639 --> 01:02:33.880 This was instant. Just we're hijacking your body and we're 1236 01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:35.159 doing what the fuck we want with it. 1237 01:02:35.360 --> 01:02:36.800 Well, dude, I'll tell you what though. 1238 01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:40.599 We actually uh over on the cult of conspiracy. The 1239 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:43.519 uh we've been covering like a lot of alien stories 1240 01:02:43.519 --> 01:02:46.360 and abduction type of stories and really trying to get 1241 01:02:46.360 --> 01:02:48.800 really familiar with it so that we can try and 1242 01:02:49.159 --> 01:02:52.079 maybe bridge the gap of our understanding about what it is, 1243 01:02:52.159 --> 01:02:55.119 where they're coming from, what they what they want, what 1244 01:02:55.159 --> 01:02:58.400 we are, whatever, right, whatever message comes through with these stories. 1245 01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:03.679 And so there's there's a wilder there's a wild parallel 1246 01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:07.079 with a lot of the stories, not every single one 1247 01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:10.920 of them, but almost almost every single alien story that 1248 01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:15.840 we've been diving into. Happens whenever somebody is either sleeping 1249 01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:19.079 or in some kind of trance like state, whether that 1250 01:03:19.239 --> 01:03:22.480 is in a meditation or their eyes are kind of 1251 01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:27.079 you know, glossed over as they're driving, or maybe it's 1252 01:03:27.119 --> 01:03:30.440 while they have sleep paralysis or something like that, or 1253 01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:33.760 you know, We've talked to this woman named Karen Wilkinson 1254 01:03:34.000 --> 01:03:36.960 and she talks about how she for the longest time, 1255 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:40.039 for years, she said that she was getting abducted by 1256 01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:42.400 aliens and they were taking her to the same exact 1257 01:03:42.440 --> 01:03:46.039 place every single night, which is basically like these underground 1258 01:03:46.119 --> 01:03:49.480 tunnels and deep underground military bases, and they were doing 1259 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:53.719 like weird familiar with procedures and everything. Yeah, yeah, and 1260 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:57.239 so but it was always every time she was asleep, right, 1261 01:03:57.360 --> 01:03:59.679 And so I think that it does have something to 1262 01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:02.880 do with the the state of mind that you're in 1263 01:04:02.920 --> 01:04:06.039 that almost allows you to be able to I guess 1264 01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.239 the best term would be project there. 1265 01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:11.559 Yeah, right, Well, I think it's just as simple as 1266 01:04:11.599 --> 01:04:13.760 turning on your radio, a TV or a computer or 1267 01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:17.239 you know, you've got to turn on or dial into 1268 01:04:17.280 --> 01:04:19.599 the right frequency to resonate with it to pick up 1269 01:04:19.599 --> 01:04:22.280 the signal. So, whether that be d MT induced, whether 1270 01:04:22.320 --> 01:04:25.360 that be lucid dream induced, whether that be trauma induced, 1271 01:04:25.400 --> 01:04:28.719 whether that be exhaustion induced. You know, I'm trying not 1272 01:04:28.760 --> 01:04:32.679 sleeping for several days or even fasting, you know, And 1273 01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:34.920 that's why that there's there's a lot of different methods 1274 01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:37.559 or even you know, the tie into like the ancient 1275 01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:40.159 mysteries where you're walking into a cave for for ten 1276 01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:42.920 days and going through all this this purging and stuff 1277 01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:46.599 like that. It's like, you know, you put your body 1278 01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:51.320 through different whether it be trauma or excited states, You're 1279 01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:53.480 you're going to be able to pick up different stuff. 1280 01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:56.480 I think that's that's proven, And now it's kind of 1281 01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:57.599 like what do we do with it? 1282 01:04:57.679 --> 01:04:57.840 What? 1283 01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:00.920 You know, what type of positive and creative information can 1284 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:01.840 be taken from the space? 1285 01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:05.039 Yeah, I mean what do you do with it? 1286 01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:05.400 Well? 1287 01:05:05.440 --> 01:05:07.400 I think I'll tell you what though, I think that 1288 01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:09.960 you know, you're you're already doing a lot with it, dude, 1289 01:05:10.280 --> 01:05:12.159 Like it just you're doing a lot with it, even 1290 01:05:12.159 --> 01:05:15.000 if it's uh, I mean, you're definitely helping other people 1291 01:05:15.079 --> 01:05:17.679 try and understand what is really going on within these 1292 01:05:17.719 --> 01:05:20.039 realms with all the experience that you have. But think 1293 01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:21.840 about the effect that it's had on you, Like, what 1294 01:05:21.880 --> 01:05:24.000 are you gonna do with it? Like you're doing a 1295 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:27.639 lot more with this than you would say buying a 1296 01:05:27.679 --> 01:05:30.559 new car or buying a new PlayStation or you know 1297 01:05:30.599 --> 01:05:33.039 what I mean, like material shit that's not really doing 1298 01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:35.880 anything for you outside of just either A getting you 1299 01:05:35.960 --> 01:05:38.599 from A to B or B. You know, if you're 1300 01:05:38.599 --> 01:05:41.440 playing a PlayStation, like you're just fucking wasting your time. Really, 1301 01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:43.719 So I mean I would say that, you know, it's 1302 01:05:43.960 --> 01:05:46.599 it does a lot, but you know, living in this 1303 01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:48.719 kind of material world, we want to try and see 1304 01:05:48.760 --> 01:05:52.679 what we can take from there into this world. And 1305 01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:54.639 I don't know, and I'm not saying that that's what 1306 01:05:54.679 --> 01:05:58.280 you're saying at all, but and you're. 1307 01:05:58.079 --> 01:06:00.280 Familiar with my story a little bit, but you know, 1308 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:03.079 as not to necessarily think everybody's read my book or 1309 01:06:03.159 --> 01:06:05.920 listened to our last interview. But I was the rich 1310 01:06:05.960 --> 01:06:07.760 white kid from New England that had everything. 1311 01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:08.079 You know. 1312 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:10.280 I was gifted almost one hundred thousand dollars when I 1313 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:13.320 was eighteen. I've owned fifteen properties. I went to college 1314 01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:15.159 for a long time, like you know, blah blah blah, 1315 01:06:15.159 --> 01:06:18.320 all of that fucking shit. So what caused me, at 1316 01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:20.599 forty one years old to have my midlife crisis was 1317 01:06:20.800 --> 01:06:23.440 I was running around burning myself out in that rat 1318 01:06:23.519 --> 01:06:26.199 race and I looked really really good on paper, but 1319 01:06:26.840 --> 01:06:29.559 that's what that was really a part of my self destruction. 1320 01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:33.519 I think I told you too. I took a year 1321 01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:36.079 and a half off, I traveled the country, I did 1322 01:06:36.079 --> 01:06:38.800 the deep exploration with DMT and shrooms, and that was 1323 01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:42.000 I published my book in twenty twenty three, so it's 1324 01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:45.360 been out for about two and a half years. And 1325 01:06:45.559 --> 01:06:48.400 I say the next couple of things with full humility, 1326 01:06:48.480 --> 01:06:50.559 but to add on to the point of what you're doing, 1327 01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:54.280 what we're sharing here, and I think the importance of 1328 01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:58.639 everybody's voice is important, and if you can just click 1329 01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:01.199 and resonate with one person, and it's worth doing all 1330 01:07:01.239 --> 01:07:06.159 of this. And since that, all of these beautiful synchronicities 1331 01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:09.760 have continually happened. Where When I went to the in 1332 01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:13.760 Roe Institute, my roommate was Michael Phillip, So I don't 1333 01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:15.639 know a lot of people watching the show might be 1334 01:07:16.639 --> 01:07:19.599 know the podcast Third Eye Drops. So he's got an 1335 01:07:19.639 --> 01:07:21.559 amazing show. He's got a lot of shit going on. 1336 01:07:22.719 --> 01:07:24.960 I was on his show, and I think my episode 1337 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:27.039 now has like one hundred and twenty two thousand views. 1338 01:07:27.559 --> 01:07:29.559 It's like, what the fuck is that. I never thought 1339 01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:31.719 in a million years I would have over a thousand 1340 01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:35.159 or ten thousand views. Would be fucking insane. I was 1341 01:07:35.199 --> 01:07:37.599 on a podcast a couple of weeks ago in Australia. 1342 01:07:38.679 --> 01:07:41.079 It has over fifty thousand views. It's resonated with a 1343 01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:43.599 shitload of doctors. This morning, I was on a conference 1344 01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:46.599 call with a room full of therapists in Australia basically 1345 01:07:46.639 --> 01:07:49.599 as a like keynote speaker to talk about like mental 1346 01:07:49.599 --> 01:07:52.360 health and bridging the gap with DMT and you know, 1347 01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:56.880 therapeutics in medicine. I've potner it up with a couple 1348 01:07:56.960 --> 01:07:58.960 organizations in New England and I can share these with 1349 01:07:59.000 --> 01:08:01.159 you that are based on you know, mental health advocacy 1350 01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:05.360 and giving people access to information and suicidal health, you 1351 01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:09.559 know help. And I say all this because never in 1352 01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:12.599 a fucking million years did I ever think that this 1353 01:08:12.639 --> 01:08:14.760 would be something that I would be doing. Then I'd 1354 01:08:14.800 --> 01:08:17.399 be saying that my words and messages have reached hundreds 1355 01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:22.079 of thousands of people, and more importantly, my inbox is 1356 01:08:22.239 --> 01:08:25.880 full of heartfelt messages from people that are sharing the 1357 01:08:25.880 --> 01:08:31.119 most profound shit from death and horrible trauma and loss 1358 01:08:31.159 --> 01:08:34.560 and rape and abuse and the most crazy shit. People 1359 01:08:34.600 --> 01:08:38.520 are sharing with me and saying that hearing my story 1360 01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:40.960 or read reading my book allowed for them to open 1361 01:08:41.039 --> 01:08:43.560 up the conversation and it's not one or two or 1362 01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:47.239 ten or twenty or fifty. It's really a lot. And 1363 01:08:48.199 --> 01:08:50.000 that's what gives me. That's why when you was like 1364 01:08:50.399 --> 01:08:52.960 you guys will like, would you mind having a conversation again, 1365 01:08:53.399 --> 01:08:55.560 there was no hesitation at all, because it's like, if 1366 01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:58.439 one person can listen to this and be like, you 1367 01:08:58.439 --> 01:09:00.439 know what, this is worth living on this planet for 1368 01:09:00.479 --> 01:09:03.279 one more day and it's worth exploring figuring shit out 1369 01:09:03.479 --> 01:09:06.319 or no, this guy was in a really really dark 1370 01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:08.840 place and now you know he's he was able to 1371 01:09:08.840 --> 01:09:11.760 shine light on it. It's really worth sharing it. And 1372 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:13.399 you know, like I said, I say all those things, 1373 01:09:13.439 --> 01:09:17.079 not in the like bragging like oh yeah, let's you 1374 01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:19.840 know I've hit some really high points. Just the opposite. 1375 01:09:19.880 --> 01:09:23.319 It's holy shit. I can't imagine that I've had the 1376 01:09:23.479 --> 01:09:26.439 opportunity to have people listen to me that many times, 1377 01:09:26.520 --> 01:09:30.720 And if I have been giving that opportunity, it only 1378 01:09:30.760 --> 01:09:33.159 refines my message all the more. It makes it even 1379 01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:35.560 more personal and raw. To make sure it's not just 1380 01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:41.399 sensational laser and lights and alien abduction. It really is 1381 01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:44.760 the heart of it is, in my opinion, self exploration, 1382 01:09:44.920 --> 01:09:48.760 mental health, knowing yourself, and really trying to understand the 1383 01:09:48.800 --> 01:09:51.640 big picture of what the fuck are we doing and 1384 01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:54.399 as this human in this experience right now, right here, 1385 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:57.560 And that's an answer. I have no idea what it is, 1386 01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:03.119 but I know it's not prescription pills, alcohol, sixty hour 1387 01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:08.560 work weeks, just stacking money. That's definitely fuck being in 1388 01:10:08.600 --> 01:10:13.800 a loveless, sexless marriage, definitely fucking not it. Uh, definitely 1389 01:10:13.840 --> 01:10:14.279 not it. 1390 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:18.640 Uh you know right, Yeah, it's just you're you're able 1391 01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:21.520 to go to a place where you're operating outside of 1392 01:10:21.520 --> 01:10:25.479 the of the machine in a sense. But uh, Asia 1393 01:10:25.520 --> 01:10:26.720 has her hand up over there. 1394 01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:27.399 What what do you? 1395 01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:27.760 Uh? 1396 01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:28.840 What are you thinking over their? 1397 01:10:28.880 --> 01:10:29.359 Asia? 1398 01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:32.199 Hey, guys, So it's actually a little bit off topic 1399 01:10:32.199 --> 01:10:34.079 from what we're talking about now, but it's kind of 1400 01:10:34.119 --> 01:10:36.880 circling back to the alien stuff. So I actually had 1401 01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:38.920 a crazy dream a couple of nights ago, and I 1402 01:10:38.920 --> 01:10:41.399 wanted to share it to see just if anybody had 1403 01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:43.880 some input or like, you know, maybe a similar experience. 1404 01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:46.079 But so I had a dream and this is my 1405 01:10:46.159 --> 01:10:49.800 first like dream involving an alien, but like the first 1406 01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:52.600 one where I've communicated with them in a dream, and 1407 01:10:52.720 --> 01:10:55.479 so I get I'll just try to like it was 1408 01:10:55.560 --> 01:10:57.520 pretty like intense, but I guess I'll just summ it 1409 01:10:57.600 --> 01:10:59.279 up to like what I believe to be the most 1410 01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:02.720 important point. So I was in my driveway and a 1411 01:11:02.880 --> 01:11:06.479 UFO just like materialized like in the sky, like pretty 1412 01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:08.960 low to the ground too, and I was like, oh, 1413 01:11:09.119 --> 01:11:11.199 that's like pretty fucking cool like UFO, and then it 1414 01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:13.720 like flew over the house and then I was like okay, 1415 01:11:13.800 --> 01:11:16.199 So then went through the house ended up on the 1416 01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:19.159 back deck and then this UFO, the same UFO is 1417 01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:23.479 like hovering above the yard and the alien who is 1418 01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:26.159 you know, I'm assuming piloting this UFO is on the 1419 01:11:26.239 --> 01:11:29.439 deck and at the time, like I'm having people over, 1420 01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:32.279 and there's like it's nighttime, but there's like people in 1421 01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:34.800 the pool swimming and people on the deck, and either 1422 01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:37.760 nobody seemed to care that there was UFO in the 1423 01:11:37.880 --> 01:11:39.800 ard or they just couldn't see him because he was 1424 01:11:39.880 --> 01:11:42.159 just like standing there and like everybody was just going 1425 01:11:42.159 --> 01:11:44.399 out about their business still like nothing changed. People weren't 1426 01:11:44.399 --> 01:11:47.640 freaking out or anything. And I like looked at him 1427 01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:50.079 and I was thinking, I'm like, what is he doing here? 1428 01:11:50.119 --> 01:11:52.479 And he heard my thoughts and like he responded to 1429 01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:56.279 me in my mind and was like he was basically said, 1430 01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:59.800 like my race is one of many who watch over Earth. 1431 01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.479 We're just here to like like watch you protect like 1432 01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:06.319 we don't protect Earth, and keep an eye on you guys. 1433 01:12:06.359 --> 01:12:10.239 And he was like, I was like, oh okay, like 1434 01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:13.319 and then he was basically saying that there's like a 1435 01:12:13.399 --> 01:12:15.520 war going on right now and it's been going on 1436 01:12:15.600 --> 01:12:17.600 for a long time, and to us, it's like a 1437 01:12:17.640 --> 01:12:20.640 spiritual war, but it's like very much a real thing 1438 01:12:20.720 --> 01:12:24.680 that's happening like I guess like physically, but not like 1439 01:12:25.199 --> 01:12:28.359 to us. It's like energetic to us. And he it 1440 01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:30.680 was like I looked up to like the sky and 1441 01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:33.279 it was like he took this like lens off of 1442 01:12:33.319 --> 01:12:36.199 my eyes because when I looked up at the sky, 1443 01:12:36.279 --> 01:12:38.159 it was like I just seen a whole bunch of 1444 01:12:38.279 --> 01:12:41.159 UFOs everywhere. It was like if you could like imagine 1445 01:12:41.199 --> 01:12:44.159 a meteor shower across the entire sky, just like in 1446 01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:47.159 every direction, That's what I've seen in It was like everywhere. 1447 01:12:47.600 --> 01:12:50.079 And I was like, oh shit. And he was like, 1448 01:12:50.520 --> 01:12:52.560 I was like, so is this like the war And 1449 01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:54.319 he was like yeah, some are bad and some are 1450 01:12:54.359 --> 01:12:57.520 good aliens or whatever. And as soon as he said that, 1451 01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:00.520 one like a UFO like ziped down out this guy 1452 01:13:00.640 --> 01:13:02.880 and like there were these fireworks that were in the 1453 01:13:02.920 --> 01:13:05.840 yard and it like levitated the fireworks up. But as 1454 01:13:05.880 --> 01:13:07.920 soon as it got into like their ship, their ship 1455 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:10.239 like blew up and the fireworks went off. And I 1456 01:13:10.319 --> 01:13:12.159 was like, why did that happen? And he was like 1457 01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:14.119 because they can't. 1458 01:13:14.279 --> 01:13:14.840 I was or no. 1459 01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:17.159 I was like, are those bad aliens? And he was like, yeah, 1460 01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:19.640 they wanted I think this part was symbolic, but he 1461 01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:22.039 said that they wanted to take our weapons from us 1462 01:13:22.079 --> 01:13:24.319 so that we couldn't like stand up to them basically 1463 01:13:24.520 --> 01:13:27.239 like fight back in a sense. And he said that 1464 01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:29.880 the reason it exploded it is because they can't like 1465 01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:33.680 physically interact with us because there were different densities than them, 1466 01:13:34.000 --> 01:13:35.920 and so it's all like has to be an energetic 1467 01:13:35.960 --> 01:13:38.600 interaction and like it will harm them if they try 1468 01:13:38.600 --> 01:13:41.560 to like physically interact with us in a sense. And 1469 01:13:41.680 --> 01:13:43.880 like it's really hard to put into words, but like 1470 01:13:43.920 --> 01:13:45.600 when he was telling me, in my mind, like it 1471 01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:47.680 all made sense and the dream and I'm like, okay, 1472 01:13:47.760 --> 01:13:51.039 like that that makes sense, and like the entire time 1473 01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:53.840 that I'm like conversing with him, I like just feel 1474 01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:55.680 like I don't feel scared at all, Like I feel 1475 01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:59.039 very calm. He had like a very wise and protective 1476 01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:01.960 energy about him, and it was like, but that was 1477 01:14:02.079 --> 01:14:04.119 that was pretty much it. That was the dream. But 1478 01:14:04.159 --> 01:14:06.680 it was like a super I've never had like a 1479 01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:10.159 dream like that. I Like, I've had crazy dreams, but 1480 01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:13.199 that one was like crazy and coherent, like it made sense. 1481 01:14:13.279 --> 01:14:15.119 And so I just wanted to share that and see 1482 01:14:15.119 --> 01:14:18.119 if anybody kind of had a similar has had something similar. 1483 01:14:18.560 --> 01:14:22.520 What a gnarly dream that is awesome like this? 1484 01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:24.279 I know it's like one of those dreams, like how 1485 01:14:24.279 --> 01:14:26.159 do you just wake up and go to work after that? 1486 01:14:27.439 --> 01:14:29.840 I mean, what is what is your take on that? Adam? 1487 01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:33.800 Well, that was really well described, Like I felt like 1488 01:14:33.840 --> 01:14:36.039 I was along for the journey there, So very good 1489 01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:38.239 job describing a dream. I know that can be difficult. 1490 01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:42.079 I would say one of three things. Either that's complete 1491 01:14:42.079 --> 01:14:45.640 bullshit and she's just making it up, or she's been 1492 01:14:45.720 --> 01:14:48.399 watching a lot of videos and movies and has heard 1493 01:14:48.439 --> 01:14:51.399 that same line thirty forty fifty hundred times and she's 1494 01:14:51.439 --> 01:14:56.319 just regurgitating it. Or three, the shit's fucking real. The 1495 01:14:56.359 --> 01:14:59.159 message she got is very similar and aligned in parallel, 1496 01:14:59.199 --> 01:15:02.119 which has got not gotten what I've heard from multiple people. 1497 01:15:03.760 --> 01:15:06.199 But it seems fuck as I'm getting goosebumps, like giving 1498 01:15:06.319 --> 01:15:08.520 my ticke, But it seems to also be like what 1499 01:15:08.720 --> 01:15:11.560 human history has been saying for thousands and thousands of years, 1500 01:15:11.640 --> 01:15:15.000 or like what everybody has kind of been saying from 1501 01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:18.800 all different ancient wisdoms and religions, and my understanding all 1502 01:15:18.840 --> 01:15:21.880 of human history kind of says a similar story to 1503 01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:26.079 what she just beautifully articulated of those three options. Without 1504 01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:28.880 knowing this young woman, I'll give with the benefit of 1505 01:15:28.880 --> 01:15:33.439 the doubt that her, her body, her vessel, whatever some 1506 01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:37.039 way was able to have that veil removed or refined, 1507 01:15:37.159 --> 01:15:40.399 or her antenna able to pick up that type of information, 1508 01:15:40.520 --> 01:15:44.960 and she saw an actual intellectual download. And if I could, 1509 01:15:45.119 --> 01:15:48.880 whether it's bullshit and made up or not, it sounds 1510 01:15:48.960 --> 01:15:51.319 like this that experience is probably gonna have a lasting 1511 01:15:51.359 --> 01:15:55.079 effect on her and it'll probably alter how she does whatever. 1512 01:15:55.239 --> 01:15:58.560 And I think, whether it's quote unquote true or real 1513 01:15:58.680 --> 01:16:02.000 or not, the last thing, physiological effects and how that 1514 01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:04.640 will change her way of thinking and potentially in a 1515 01:16:04.640 --> 01:16:09.159 positive way, is the important thing similar to like a 1516 01:16:09.239 --> 01:16:11.960 DMTU psychedelic experience. It's like, however, for any of the 1517 01:16:12.039 --> 01:16:14.039 nay says that would be like oh pooh pooh, Well, 1518 01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:17.520 I think that will give her a beautiful outlook on 1519 01:16:17.600 --> 01:16:18.960 life and a helpful one. Yeah. 1520 01:16:19.000 --> 01:16:20.760 I had this dream a couple of days ago, and 1521 01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:23.479 I like just keep thinking about it felt so real. 1522 01:16:23.560 --> 01:16:25.279 It was like yeah, and I just woke up from it, 1523 01:16:25.319 --> 01:16:27.600 and I was like, yeah, it makes you feel different, 1524 01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:30.319 Like you wake up feeling like kind of like lighter, 1525 01:16:30.399 --> 01:16:32.000 like you know a little bit more, you have a 1526 01:16:32.000 --> 01:16:34.399 better understanding about something. And I was just like, man, 1527 01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:36.359 that's crazy because the only I only had one other 1528 01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:38.479 dream involving an alien before, and that one was like 1529 01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:41.199 scary kind of I was just like walking down my 1530 01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:44.000 road and I just appeared out of the sky again 1531 01:16:44.039 --> 01:16:45.600 and it was like in front of me, but like 1532 01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:48.520 we didn't have a conversation or anything. And this the one, 1533 01:16:48.600 --> 01:16:50.079 the alien and the dream I just had a couple 1534 01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:53.000 of days ago. He like appeared kind of like human looking, 1535 01:16:53.039 --> 01:16:56.640 but like super sharp like chisel kind of like super 1536 01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:59.279 like defined like facial features almost like to the point 1537 01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:01.520 where like you know he's not human because he looks 1538 01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:04.760 too kind of like carved in a sense, and like 1539 01:17:05.359 --> 01:17:08.399 it's very smooth skin and stuff like that. And then 1540 01:17:08.479 --> 01:17:10.319 like the eyes you can just kind of tell like 1541 01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:13.079 a different, you know, not a human energy about it. 1542 01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:16.079 But in the dream I had months ago involving alien, 1543 01:17:16.279 --> 01:17:18.039 he like I don't know if it was like a 1544 01:17:18.079 --> 01:17:20.760 reptilian because it was like green kind of I don't know, 1545 01:17:20.840 --> 01:17:22.880 like you know, all the races out there, but it 1546 01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:25.359 was like green and scaly, but it wasn't super tall 1547 01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:28.840 like how they'd say, like like the draconian ones are 1548 01:17:28.880 --> 01:17:31.159 and stuff. But I felt really scared in this dream. 1549 01:17:31.199 --> 01:17:33.279 And in this dream, my sister like she was with me. 1550 01:17:33.319 --> 01:17:34.800 We were walking down the street and I just like 1551 01:17:34.800 --> 01:17:36.399 put my arm out in front of her to like, 1552 01:17:36.439 --> 01:17:38.640 because she's younger than me, to like protect her kind of. 1553 01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:40.479 But I would just like didn't want to take my 1554 01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:42.199 eyes off of that one. And I was scared in 1555 01:17:42.239 --> 01:17:45.239 that dream, But this one I was the complete opposite. 1556 01:17:45.239 --> 01:17:47.279 I felt safe, I felt calm, and I was like 1557 01:17:47.439 --> 01:17:49.720 I enjoyed kind of like being in his presence and 1558 01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:50.560 learning from him. 1559 01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:52.319 I buy it. 1560 01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:54.439 I mean, Adam, I think you were spot on there, dude, 1561 01:17:54.479 --> 01:17:57.840 as far as like, uh, you know, many different mythologies 1562 01:17:57.920 --> 01:18:01.319 and religious and spiritual practice is have talked about like 1563 01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:03.039 this spiritual war for. 1564 01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:03.680 A long time. 1565 01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:08.279 And uh and and also like is DMT not being 1566 01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:10.119 secreted whenever you're sleeping anyway? 1567 01:18:10.600 --> 01:18:10.800 Right? 1568 01:18:11.159 --> 01:18:13.000 Oh, yeah, that is true. 1569 01:18:12.920 --> 01:18:15.840 So maybe that was I mean, I don't know, dude. 1570 01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:18.079 I mean we've, as I said, we kind of covered 1571 01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:20.479 a lot of d MT stuff and we actually learned 1572 01:18:20.479 --> 01:18:21.039 something new. 1573 01:18:21.319 --> 01:18:24.640 So from from the d MT X. 1574 01:18:24.680 --> 01:18:28.359 Studies, they say that they found that not only is 1575 01:18:28.439 --> 01:18:32.119 d MT secreted from the pineal gland, but it's also 1576 01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:35.239 in your lungs, which is why the whim hoff like 1577 01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:38.960 in the breathing method and and all that stuff works. Well, 1578 01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:41.439 maybe that's why it works is because DMT is also 1579 01:18:42.720 --> 01:18:47.119 happening there too, but also in your cerebo cerebral spinal fluid, 1580 01:18:47.399 --> 01:18:49.520 which makes sense for the whole cundalini thing too. 1581 01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:53.239 Right, So yeah, it's I don't know, dude. 1582 01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:56.439 There's a lot of pieces that that tie it together. 1583 01:18:56.800 --> 01:18:59.000 And you know, even you bring up your buddy there 1584 01:18:59.039 --> 01:19:01.880 that had the neodethics and how he kind of liked 1585 01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:05.479 tied it together, Doctor Joe Despenser I mentioned him in 1586 01:19:05.520 --> 01:19:08.439 my book about Becoming Supernatural, I think is a really 1587 01:19:08.760 --> 01:19:11.680 you know, medically based book that talks about physiology and 1588 01:19:11.720 --> 01:19:14.439 how you know, serotonin and melatonin get broken down very 1589 01:19:14.479 --> 01:19:18.760 easily into d MT, and that there are studies with 1590 01:19:18.840 --> 01:19:21.720 deep meditation and holotrophic breathing that you can you can 1591 01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:25.000 pulse it. There's a lot of research and data out 1592 01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:29.359 there that shows that DMT in another person And I 1593 01:19:29.399 --> 01:19:31.439 mentioned this I believe on the last podcast, and he's 1594 01:19:31.439 --> 01:19:33.439 somebody I can I can probably make the connection with 1595 01:19:33.840 --> 01:19:37.840 Anthony Peak. He's written a bunch of books about neo 1596 01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:42.520 death experiences and altered states of consciousness, uh temporal epilobe 1597 01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:46.439 epilepsy like migraine, headache, ores and stuff like that. How 1598 01:19:47.000 --> 01:19:49.560 people that have those states really kind of have like 1599 01:19:49.600 --> 01:19:53.720 these psychedelic visions and time lapses and are able to 1600 01:19:54.039 --> 01:20:00.079 go into these really transcendental states, realms, whatever. But he 1601 01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:03.279 he always brings it back to d MT and the natural, 1602 01:20:03.279 --> 01:20:07.359 indogenous aspect of it, and I think that's always there, 1603 01:20:07.439 --> 01:20:10.279 that's always present. And then you know, if you're doing 1604 01:20:10.279 --> 01:20:12.760 like what we've been talking about, if you're bumping that 1605 01:20:12.880 --> 01:20:16.760 up with the external hit and I would you know, 1606 01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:19.920 as we're talking about it being indogenous. That first day, 1607 01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:23.680 when I took that very very first hit, it really 1608 01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:27.439 did feel very natural, very neat. It wasn't scary. There 1609 01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:31.359 was this kind of nasal sensation, nasal cavity sensation, excuse me, 1610 01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:34.720 that was very familiar from a childhood kind of time 1611 01:20:35.239 --> 01:20:41.399 where it just it wasn't a scary as much as 1612 01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:43.239 all you everything is changing and you know there's a 1613 01:20:43.279 --> 01:20:48.600 lot going on, but it did feel normal, natural, organic, indogenous. 1614 01:20:48.640 --> 01:20:51.119 I mean all of those words. It wasn't foreign, a 1615 01:20:51.159 --> 01:20:54.439 familiar or alien or drugging or any of those things. 1616 01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:58.520 What do you mean by a familiar nasal situation? Can 1617 01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:00.359 you dive into that a little bit more like how 1618 01:21:00.680 --> 01:21:03.079 something nasally would be familiar as a child. 1619 01:21:03.880 --> 01:21:07.039 So if you've ever done the like holo traffic breathing 1620 01:21:07.159 --> 01:21:10.520 where you know and it takes ten, fifteen, twenty minutes 1621 01:21:10.520 --> 01:21:11.960 to kind of get to that point, but I remember 1622 01:21:12.000 --> 01:21:13.680 the first time that I actually did that with the 1623 01:21:13.720 --> 01:21:17.079 intent of trying to, you know, and induce your own 1624 01:21:17.119 --> 01:21:21.439 dodgeness d MT. When it did stop happening, it really 1625 01:21:21.560 --> 01:21:25.079 there was this nasal sensation where it was like snock 1626 01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:29.760 kind of dripping down the back of your throat and 1627 01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:32.840 that was that was when it was like, oh shit, 1628 01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:35.680 this really is DMT. You can taste it. And you know, 1629 01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:37.880 if I hadn't smoked it prior to I wouldn't have 1630 01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:42.359 really understood or realized that. But that ties into I 1631 01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:46.079 remember very specifically living in a childhood house. I was 1632 01:21:46.520 --> 01:21:50.840 seven eight years old in my neighbor's back hallway. For 1633 01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:53.439 some reason, I got instantly put to that time in 1634 01:21:53.479 --> 01:21:56.439 that space where I had that same sensation that I remembered. 1635 01:21:57.079 --> 01:22:00.319 I have a very you know, like photographic vivid memory, 1636 01:22:01.560 --> 01:22:04.840 but it instantly brought me back to childhood sensations of 1637 01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:08.600 swallowing snot in that hallway. But it wasn't snot. It 1638 01:22:08.640 --> 01:22:12.640 was in dodgenous d MTD or leaking cerebral swinal fluid. Oh. 1639 01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:16.520 You know, there's a lot of theories of I think 1640 01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:19.640 somebody called like golden nectar, Like it's been like talked 1641 01:22:19.640 --> 01:22:23.000 about that if you if you were able to get 1642 01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:24.920 your body to vibrate and hum, you're able to kind 1643 01:22:24.920 --> 01:22:28.640 of release it and that when you smoke it and 1644 01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:31.199 obviously now you're inhaling it and it is you're tasting it. 1645 01:22:31.239 --> 01:22:35.479 Fully because it's in your mouth. It's a very similar taste, smell, 1646 01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:40.359 feeling then when you're when you're doing that deep breathing. 1647 01:22:40.760 --> 01:22:41.720 Oh wow. 1648 01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:45.359 Yeah, that is so fascinating too, because I've always had 1649 01:22:45.439 --> 01:22:49.760 like allergies like crazy my entire life, and I'm always 1650 01:22:49.920 --> 01:22:53.399 like MUCUSI and snotty and everything, and i gotta do 1651 01:22:53.600 --> 01:22:56.760 this wholenvage thing like every single day and everything, and 1652 01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:59.000 like fuck man, just go like it doesn't even matter 1653 01:22:59.079 --> 01:22:59.840 what season. 1654 01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:03.920 Is, Soude. This wasn't like nasal like salty gross snot 1655 01:23:04.039 --> 01:23:06.920 coming from shit in your nose or that you're hacking 1656 01:23:07.000 --> 01:23:09.319 up through your mouth. This was like leaking from your 1657 01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:13.279 brain and coming down like yeah, like a a different 1658 01:23:13.279 --> 01:23:15.560 type of drip. That was like, where the fuck is 1659 01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:16.319 this coming from? 1660 01:23:16.560 --> 01:23:20.880 Oh all right, well, before we get to the next story, 1661 01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:23.520 I did want to get over the chat. White boy 1662 01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:26.680 Wizard said, good evening, you lovely motherfuckers. 1663 01:23:26.840 --> 01:23:27.880 What's up my dude? 1664 01:23:28.199 --> 01:23:30.119 He's over there building some shit. 1665 01:23:31.119 --> 01:23:32.640 He's always he's always up to something. 1666 01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:35.560 Yeah, dude, fucking worker man. Love it. 1667 01:23:35.720 --> 01:23:36.039 Uh. 1668 01:23:36.119 --> 01:23:38.680 Taylor said, how's it going or how goes it? Fam 1669 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:42.279 totally here for these DMT talks. And Taylor also said, 1670 01:23:42.800 --> 01:23:44.920 I think this is a question for you, Adam, that says, 1671 01:23:45.079 --> 01:23:47.000 if you can go back to the same place in 1672 01:23:47.039 --> 01:23:50.039 the DMT realm, could people go to the same place 1673 01:23:50.159 --> 01:23:53.840 like a meeting spot, do you encounter the same entities 1674 01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:55.039 or different each time? 1675 01:23:55.199 --> 01:23:57.520 So I think there's a couple of questions. Aaron, however, 1676 01:23:57.520 --> 01:23:58.319 you want to answer that. 1677 01:24:00.960 --> 01:24:06.479 So I never experienced the same entity twice, and I've 1678 01:24:06.520 --> 01:24:10.199 never been to the same location twice. That being said, 1679 01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:13.479 there does seem to be a flavor or an ambiance 1680 01:24:13.680 --> 01:24:17.560 or or a sense of like this is the group, 1681 01:24:17.680 --> 01:24:20.279 or this is the archetype, or this is the type 1682 01:24:20.319 --> 01:24:24.760 of energy of flavor that that that session is. But 1683 01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:27.800 I think that's that's why my understanding is with like 1684 01:24:27.840 --> 01:24:30.279 the d mt X project, where there they are trying 1685 01:24:30.319 --> 01:24:34.079 to quote unquote map it, and I don't think that's like, 1686 01:24:34.279 --> 01:24:36.520 you know, come up with like a an actual like 1687 01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:40.000 gis map of it. But more you know, are there 1688 01:24:40.079 --> 01:24:42.880 similar shapes? Is it? Is it moving, is it morphing, 1689 01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:46.000 is it dynamic? Is it three dimensional or does it 1690 01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:50.000 seemed to be hyperdimensional? Are the entities? Are there not entities? 1691 01:24:50.239 --> 01:24:53.439 And I think that's where and so now I've done 1692 01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:57.159 it hundreds of times. Like we mentioned, it never gets easy. 1693 01:24:57.239 --> 01:25:01.840 It's always I'm always kind of nervous going into it. 1694 01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:04.960 It be maybe similar to you know, like if if 1695 01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:08.000 you're a snowboarder or a skier, if you're going down 1696 01:25:08.039 --> 01:25:11.680 like a triple black diamond and it's icy, even if 1697 01:25:11.720 --> 01:25:13.920 you've done it a hundred times, you better be cautious 1698 01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:15.920 and give it respect because one false move and you're 1699 01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:17.600 gonna get slipped and you know, go off the trail 1700 01:25:17.640 --> 01:25:20.520 and die. And it is kind of like that type 1701 01:25:20.560 --> 01:25:23.600 of respect and reverence where if you if you think 1702 01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:25.239 for one second that you're gonna go in there and 1703 01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:28.079 kind of do your own thing. That's where I can 1704 01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:32.319 get a little bit, a little bit off. But I've 1705 01:25:32.359 --> 01:25:36.000 had when I was first like that first few months, 1706 01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:39.239 I felt as though I had a welcoming committee where 1707 01:25:39.279 --> 01:25:41.960 it was those gestory machine LF type things where I 1708 01:25:42.000 --> 01:25:45.399 would come in. Uh. And I've discussed this on quite 1709 01:25:45.439 --> 01:25:47.479 a few other you know areas, and I don't know 1710 01:25:47.520 --> 01:25:49.520 if it was with you us or not, but it 1711 01:25:49.560 --> 01:25:52.840 was like I was like an animal at a zoo. 1712 01:25:53.079 --> 01:25:55.880 So when my human consciousness would get lit up by 1713 01:25:56.119 --> 01:25:58.359 by d MT or almost like a firefly in a 1714 01:25:58.439 --> 01:26:02.439 dock field. When I got into that space, they would 1715 01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:05.439 kind of be able to glob on and see that this, 1716 01:26:05.439 --> 01:26:07.680 this human is now glowing with this like d MT. 1717 01:26:08.039 --> 01:26:11.039 And once I started going into it and going into 1718 01:26:11.039 --> 01:26:13.199 it often, I felt as though they kept coming back 1719 01:26:13.239 --> 01:26:15.920 to me excited that I was there, like they were 1720 01:26:16.119 --> 01:26:18.520 was this kind of like welcoming committee. But it wasn't 1721 01:26:18.560 --> 01:26:20.560 every time like oh, yeah, that's Jeff d l for 1722 01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:23.600 that's whatever, you know. It was more just this is 1723 01:26:23.640 --> 01:26:27.640 the weird group of the And I could see where 1724 01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:31.000 people call them entities or excuse me, jesters or machine 1725 01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:35.720 els because they were that kind of fun amusement parky light, 1726 01:26:37.239 --> 01:26:38.880 you know, come with me, come with me, let me 1727 01:26:38.920 --> 01:26:43.119 show you type energy. But then maybe to answer her 1728 01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:46.600 point too, that some of the other kind of common 1729 01:26:46.840 --> 01:26:53.439 archetypes where you know, people talk about insectoid or mantis beings. Again, 1730 01:26:53.520 --> 01:26:55.640 I think this is it's going to be colorful language 1731 01:26:55.640 --> 01:26:57.600 and everybody's going to have their own way describing it. 1732 01:26:57.640 --> 01:27:01.520 But I could see the distinct difference between the small, 1733 01:27:01.680 --> 01:27:08.039 typically tinier jestory elves and these beings are what I 1734 01:27:08.079 --> 01:27:10.680 consider like the mechanics or the technicians of that space 1735 01:27:10.720 --> 01:27:12.800 where they're the ones that are kind of coming and 1736 01:27:12.840 --> 01:27:15.800 interacting with you. In my opinion, I've had those insectoid 1737 01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:19.560 interactions where they either showed me how to use my 1738 01:27:19.600 --> 01:27:23.359 body properly, whether it be to breathe properly, pulse fluis properly, 1739 01:27:24.359 --> 01:27:26.359 it showed me some of those extra senses in what 1740 01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:29.199 they could do, or in a couple of cases, they 1741 01:27:29.279 --> 01:27:31.239 kind of actually took control of my body like a 1742 01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:34.560 like a transformer glob on or like like that venom 1743 01:27:34.680 --> 01:27:37.560 suit where they you know, you'd get into that space, 1744 01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:41.640 they would be an interaction and then they would come 1745 01:27:41.680 --> 01:27:45.680 in and really kind of like play your human instrument 1746 01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:48.439 like a professional artist and musician knows how to play 1747 01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:52.520 a human instrument where we as most And that's kind 1748 01:27:52.560 --> 01:27:55.560 of like a good takeaway where up and until you 1749 01:27:55.600 --> 01:27:58.840 really know the limits of in the power of your 1750 01:27:58.960 --> 01:28:02.199 human musical instrument and how it can be played in 1751 01:28:02.239 --> 01:28:05.399 all the different ways it can make notes, you really 1752 01:28:05.439 --> 01:28:07.399 don't know how divine and how beautiful you are. And 1753 01:28:07.600 --> 01:28:10.920 that's what those mantispians are, those insected being said did 1754 01:28:10.920 --> 01:28:13.840 for me where they're really you know, they're shown you 1755 01:28:13.880 --> 01:28:16.000 all the bells and whistles of this this human suit. 1756 01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:20.079 But so there are those distant groups, and then there's 1757 01:28:19.640 --> 01:28:25.079 the pleasant, motherly feminine archetypes that are really nurturing and loving, 1758 01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:30.039 and you know, some are sexual, some are not. You know, there's. 1759 01:28:31.640 --> 01:28:33.399 Of these different entities. 1760 01:28:33.479 --> 01:28:36.079 Not to cut you off, but was there any correlation 1761 01:28:36.319 --> 01:28:39.079 that you could pick up on as far as maybe 1762 01:28:39.159 --> 01:28:40.840 your state of mind or maybe what you were going 1763 01:28:40.920 --> 01:28:45.079 through before having these different entities approach you or experience them. 1764 01:28:46.760 --> 01:28:48.880 Not as much of a correlation as I would like, 1765 01:28:49.920 --> 01:28:52.039 you know, you'd like to think as much as the 1766 01:28:52.039 --> 01:28:54.560 intention and as much as the prayer and meditation prior 1767 01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:58.479 to would kind of like direct and stare it like almost. 1768 01:28:58.279 --> 01:29:00.319 Like you could meet you where you're at kind of thing. 1769 01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:03.840 Yeah, like you're you're picking the movie ticket. But sometimes 1770 01:29:03.840 --> 01:29:06.199 it is like you never know what you're gonna get. 1771 01:29:06.279 --> 01:29:11.960 But there have been and and I think it's I 1772 01:29:12.000 --> 01:29:14.520 always try to go for like the overall flavor, you know. 1773 01:29:14.560 --> 01:29:16.560 So sometimes if I'm going into that space, maybe it's 1774 01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:18.359 just I want to I'm not looking for anything. Maybe 1775 01:29:18.359 --> 01:29:21.079 I just want to express gratitude and joy and thankfulness 1776 01:29:21.119 --> 01:29:25.279 and appreciation, and I'll go into the space with no you, 1777 01:29:25.319 --> 01:29:27.600 no notion of what I want to get out of it. 1778 01:29:27.600 --> 01:29:29.359 It's really just to go in there and give thanks. 1779 01:29:29.600 --> 01:29:31.600 But then there are some some other times where I'll 1780 01:29:31.640 --> 01:29:33.840 go in there and be perfect honestly, what am I 1781 01:29:33.880 --> 01:29:36.239 gonna do with my next career path? What? What? How 1782 01:29:36.279 --> 01:29:39.960 do I align with with what's true to me? Whatever? 1783 01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:42.560 How do I get laid next? Who am I gonna like? 1784 01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:44.119 Whom I get a date? Like? You know, sometimes that 1785 01:29:44.199 --> 01:29:47.079 are kind of like what am I gonna? Can you 1786 01:29:47.079 --> 01:29:52.680 give me any guide a direction? But if it you're 1787 01:29:52.760 --> 01:29:56.600 kind of you're you're at this road. So yeah, in 1788 01:29:56.640 --> 01:29:59.840 most cases you really are. You're you're in their realm. 1789 01:30:00.359 --> 01:30:03.199 Right, And so as far as setting the intention, you 1790 01:30:03.239 --> 01:30:05.119 really just want to get your mind right, get kind 1791 01:30:05.159 --> 01:30:08.119 of relaxed. And but wherever the d MT trip goes, 1792 01:30:08.159 --> 01:30:09.039 that's where it's going. 1793 01:30:09.399 --> 01:30:09.920 Basically. 1794 01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:12.880 Yeah, And I mentioned you know, and obviously what's right 1795 01:30:12.920 --> 01:30:14.520 for me is subjective is it going to be for 1796 01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:17.239 everybody else? But like you know, I would say, not 1797 01:30:17.399 --> 01:30:20.239 out in public, not driving, not in a room full 1798 01:30:20.239 --> 01:30:22.279 of other people, not if there's a if you're out 1799 01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:26.159 like camping and there's a shitload of mosquitoes. If it's 1800 01:30:26.159 --> 01:30:28.239 in the middle of the day, turn off your phone 1801 01:30:29.199 --> 01:30:33.000 and they'll really just be conscious of of what what 1802 01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:36.239 you're doing, you know, like just like hopefully we wouldn't 1803 01:30:36.279 --> 01:30:38.600 just whatever, make love willy nilly. 1804 01:30:38.520 --> 01:30:39.600 Or want to be present. 1805 01:30:40.000 --> 01:30:45.680 Yeah, yeah, in extra hyper present, right, knowing that that 1806 01:30:45.760 --> 01:30:47.520 this is going to be a hell of a jump 1807 01:30:47.520 --> 01:30:52.199 and a hell of a journey, and yeah, yeah, I've 1808 01:30:52.239 --> 01:30:56.039 never The only time that I had a little bit 1809 01:30:56.039 --> 01:30:57.840 of a pushback was when I did maybe have a 1810 01:30:57.840 --> 01:30:59.960 little bit of cockiness of arrogance and I kind of went, 1811 01:31:00.039 --> 01:31:03.079 and they're really thinking I could, like, you know, get 1812 01:31:03.119 --> 01:31:06.000 answers on like how the pyramids would built, or you know, 1813 01:31:06.079 --> 01:31:07.640 like go in there and be like I want access 1814 01:31:07.640 --> 01:31:10.199 to the Acostic records, and the fuck I went and 1815 01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:15.039 that I didn't get those answers. If anything, I kind of, 1816 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:17.079 I don't want to say like got kicked out of 1817 01:31:17.079 --> 01:31:20.680 the space. But it was almost like I didn't have 1818 01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:23.399 any fun interactions for several sessions until I made my 1819 01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:26.479 amends and kind of said sorry and then asked to 1820 01:31:26.479 --> 01:31:28.359 get back into the club, so to speak. 1821 01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:31.520 You're in my wild now, Grandma, right, I wanted I 1822 01:31:31.520 --> 01:31:32.880 wanted to ask you, and I don't know if you've 1823 01:31:32.920 --> 01:31:35.600 had experience with it, and I don't remember if I'm 1824 01:31:35.640 --> 01:31:38.199 actually willing to bet that Jonathan didn't have his experience 1825 01:31:38.319 --> 01:31:40.399 the last time we were talking to you, But have 1826 01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:46.159 you ever experienced the void? Or it was just like nothingness. 1827 01:31:46.119 --> 01:31:50.520 My first that first first day, I mentioned how I 1828 01:31:51.000 --> 01:31:53.520 did seven eight sessions and it was a total of 1829 01:31:53.680 --> 01:31:59.439 you know, forty forty five fifty hits each session. So 1830 01:31:59.479 --> 01:32:03.560 that first set introduction to the sites and sounds, you know, 1831 01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:05.760 you get it, get a feeling of of what it feels, 1832 01:32:06.119 --> 01:32:10.640 but no no weird profound insights, no entities. Again, pushed it, 1833 01:32:10.680 --> 01:32:13.359 pushed it, pushed it. That last session when I when 1834 01:32:13.359 --> 01:32:15.399 I say I had my kind of life changing, life 1835 01:32:15.399 --> 01:32:20.520 saving epiphany that was also similar to that alien where 1836 01:32:20.520 --> 01:32:24.720 everything was blue and paralysis, but that that was different 1837 01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:28.159 where there was also no no hum, there was no 1838 01:32:28.239 --> 01:32:30.399 sights and sounds, and that was kind of like this 1839 01:32:30.399 --> 01:32:33.960 this black void of this black space where that's when 1840 01:32:34.000 --> 01:32:37.479 I got my first I would say, like DNA download, Well, 1841 01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:43.039 that's when I got that instantaneous answering of a lifetime 1842 01:32:43.039 --> 01:32:46.159 of questions. In a split second, they were all all 1843 01:32:46.199 --> 01:32:47.359 instantly connected. 1844 01:32:48.319 --> 01:32:49.600 Wow. I just looked it up. 1845 01:32:49.800 --> 01:32:52.840 And when we had our last conversation, that was July twelfth, 1846 01:32:52.880 --> 01:32:56.199 so it was before my my original my first and 1847 01:32:56.279 --> 01:32:58.520 only DM teacher at Holy shit, I thought we had 1848 01:32:58.520 --> 01:32:59.640 talked about this already. 1849 01:33:00.000 --> 01:33:03.399 Well, I listened to some of your other podcast talking about. 1850 01:33:03.159 --> 01:33:06.039 It, so yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's uh, it is 1851 01:33:06.119 --> 01:33:08.600 interesting talking about the void, and I've I've beat it 1852 01:33:08.640 --> 01:33:10.720 to fucking death trying to figure out what it is, 1853 01:33:10.840 --> 01:33:13.800 what it meant, what it could mean in everything else. 1854 01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:17.840 And I'm sure everybody's void experience is very different, you know. 1855 01:33:17.920 --> 01:33:20.000 But one thing that I really took from that is that, 1856 01:33:20.079 --> 01:33:23.199 you know, I thought that I had like literally deleted 1857 01:33:23.199 --> 01:33:27.119 the entire world, including myself and my family, Like I 1858 01:33:27.439 --> 01:33:31.439 thought I legit deleted existence, like I hit some kind 1859 01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:36.279 of button that fucking ended the program, right, and and 1860 01:33:36.319 --> 01:33:38.119 it was really scary, and that really fucked with me 1861 01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:40.159 for a long time. But what I got from it 1862 01:33:40.239 --> 01:33:43.600 afterward was like, oh wait, I was still there, So 1863 01:33:43.680 --> 01:33:46.520 it wasn't necessarily a void, so to say, because a 1864 01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:48.800 void doesn't have anything in it, And I was there, 1865 01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:52.199 you know, me as in my awareness of being there, 1866 01:33:52.359 --> 01:33:56.319 right and so but yeah, dude, it's that really fucked 1867 01:33:56.359 --> 01:33:57.239 with me for a little while. 1868 01:33:58.039 --> 01:34:01.319 Yeah, I get it, it's it's tough to put into words. 1869 01:34:01.319 --> 01:34:03.279 But yeah, once you see kind of the back of 1870 01:34:03.319 --> 01:34:05.840 the house on what and once again, what do you 1871 01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:07.920 see in the back of the house to consciousness, God 1872 01:34:08.479 --> 01:34:11.800 the matrix? You know again, and maybe from somebody that 1873 01:34:12.439 --> 01:34:15.279 like I studied entomology for for many years in college, 1874 01:34:15.680 --> 01:34:18.720 so I was like a trained scientist in using you know, 1875 01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:22.119 scientific words, as opposed to somebody that you know, studies 1876 01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:26.279 religious and you know, spiritual text how they would come 1877 01:34:26.359 --> 01:34:30.560 to to describe the same thing where it's it's difficult 1878 01:34:30.600 --> 01:34:35.439 to try to describe the space, and each person's upbringing, 1879 01:34:35.560 --> 01:34:38.800 subjective background is gonna flavor how they try to describe it. 1880 01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:43.319 But it really is indescribable. It's it's something that until 1881 01:34:43.359 --> 01:34:46.560 you could experience it, you know, it's I mean, just 1882 01:34:46.840 --> 01:34:49.159 like talking about having an orgasm. You can talk about it, 1883 01:34:49.159 --> 01:34:50.640 but until you have one it so you don't know 1884 01:34:50.640 --> 01:34:52.319 what it is or you can talk about you know, 1885 01:34:52.359 --> 01:34:54.279 I'll watch your video on how to swim, all right, 1886 01:34:54.319 --> 01:34:57.199 We'll get into a pool and then you know, that's 1887 01:34:57.239 --> 01:34:59.800 swimming and it's kind of like you know, have have 1888 01:35:00.560 --> 01:35:03.279 human consciousness go from five senses at a dial of 1889 01:35:03.359 --> 01:35:07.119 ten to fifty cents is at a dial of a thousand, 1890 01:35:07.199 --> 01:35:10.119 and then you know, tell me, tell me what the 1891 01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:13.039 fuck that means. You know, I don't know all trying 1892 01:35:13.039 --> 01:35:15.840 to put it into words, but what I think it 1893 01:35:15.920 --> 01:35:21.079 means is that it's way we're way greater than I 1894 01:35:21.079 --> 01:35:23.479 think that we give ourselves credit for that. We are 1895 01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:26.880 divine and connected to this greater being a source or 1896 01:35:26.880 --> 01:35:29.720 consciousness or something that we are all kind of a 1897 01:35:29.720 --> 01:35:32.159 part of. And you know, showing to kind of what 1898 01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:35.279 we were talking about, the not to get bogged down 1899 01:35:35.439 --> 01:35:38.279 with the assholes of the world, the societal plaque, the 1900 01:35:38.279 --> 01:35:41.680 stresses of everyday life, the social media smunt you know, 1901 01:35:41.720 --> 01:35:45.319 all the crap that that can clog up those senses 1902 01:35:45.479 --> 01:35:50.640 and just the opposite, freeom, liberate them, accentuate them, get 1903 01:35:50.680 --> 01:35:53.800 them going. And for me, Psychedelics and Deem Team particular 1904 01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:58.479 really was able to to remove all that shit. And 1905 01:35:58.600 --> 01:36:01.560 you know too years into this journey now I can 1906 01:36:01.560 --> 01:36:03.960 honestly say that, and I think I ended the podcast 1907 01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:06.920 with you last time similar to this. I'm the most happy, content, 1908 01:36:07.000 --> 01:36:09.600 blissful that I've ever ever been. I still wake up 1909 01:36:09.640 --> 01:36:10.960 every day with goosebumps. 1910 01:36:11.279 --> 01:36:11.720 Every night. 1911 01:36:11.760 --> 01:36:13.159 I go to bed and I say my prayers are 1912 01:36:13.159 --> 01:36:16.680 gratitude every day and I do the most menial, shitty 1913 01:36:16.800 --> 01:36:19.680 fucking task that I'm getting paid a third of what 1914 01:36:19.720 --> 01:36:22.479 I used to get paid for, and I'm happy as 1915 01:36:22.560 --> 01:36:25.119 fuck all day. I whistle, I skip by dance, I 1916 01:36:25.199 --> 01:36:31.039 joke before everything was the exact opposite of that, and 1917 01:36:31.359 --> 01:36:35.720 I brought everybody else down around me. And I think 1918 01:36:35.760 --> 01:36:41.479 everybody has that ability within to have a blissful, happy life. 1919 01:36:41.560 --> 01:36:43.399 They just have to look for it and know that 1920 01:36:43.439 --> 01:36:44.960 they're worthy of it and demand it. 1921 01:36:45.239 --> 01:36:47.680 Oh dude, and that's that. So you're living like a 1922 01:36:47.760 --> 01:36:49.479 kid now, and that's really all it is. 1923 01:36:49.680 --> 01:36:50.119 Awesome. 1924 01:36:50.439 --> 01:36:54.199 Yes, you just took all of that fucking heavy gorilla 1925 01:36:54.319 --> 01:36:56.960 off of your back and now you're able to experience 1926 01:36:57.000 --> 01:37:00.199 life as a little kid, Like all of the scripture said. 1927 01:37:00.840 --> 01:37:03.199 Full disclosure, because I know there's gonna be some people like, yeah, 1928 01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:05.279 the fucking guy's forty five years old living in his 1929 01:37:05.359 --> 01:37:09.840 parents' basement, Like it's easy for him to say, duly noted, 1930 01:37:10.199 --> 01:37:14.600 I get it. But I've owned my properties, I've made 1931 01:37:14.680 --> 01:37:16.560 my money and I'm sure those will both come again. 1932 01:37:16.920 --> 01:37:19.119 And I know how fortunate I am to have the 1933 01:37:19.159 --> 01:37:22.399 security of family to lean on so and without them, honestly, 1934 01:37:22.399 --> 01:37:24.960 none of this would be possible. So a huge debt 1935 01:37:25.000 --> 01:37:27.079 to my parents and my family and friends that have 1936 01:37:27.079 --> 01:37:33.960 supported me. But it is accessible to everybody. It's just 1937 01:37:35.800 --> 01:37:36.880 demand it of yourself. 1938 01:37:36.920 --> 01:37:37.079 You know. 1939 01:37:37.119 --> 01:37:40.159 It's really like an analogy of me now being four 1940 01:37:40.159 --> 01:37:42.239 and a half years sober of alcohol, Like, it's really 1941 01:37:42.239 --> 01:37:44.720 really easy for me to stay sober because it's so 1942 01:37:44.800 --> 01:37:48.439 easy to feel good, not wake up hungover, feeling like shit, 1943 01:37:48.600 --> 01:37:51.000 sweating during the day, worrying about having a shit yourself, 1944 01:37:52.159 --> 01:37:55.239 being overweight, being like all of that nasty shit. And 1945 01:37:55.279 --> 01:37:59.359 it's so easy to live a content, happy, blissful, connected 1946 01:37:59.359 --> 01:38:03.600 life because you don't have the stress, anxiety, suicidal ideation. 1947 01:38:03.720 --> 01:38:06.640 You're not stressed out and having road rage, you're not 1948 01:38:07.079 --> 01:38:09.600 yelling at your spouse, you're not pissed at your coworker. 1949 01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:13.399 Is like you really you enjoy life, and when shit 1950 01:38:13.520 --> 01:38:16.199 hits the fan and you have bad shit happen, you 1951 01:38:16.239 --> 01:38:17.920 deal with it. You know that there's a lesson there 1952 01:38:17.960 --> 01:38:21.199 and that you kind of accept it with grace instead 1953 01:38:21.239 --> 01:38:25.319 of being a little crying bitch like I would blame 1954 01:38:25.399 --> 01:38:27.359 in everybody else while being like woe is me, And 1955 01:38:27.399 --> 01:38:28.159 it's like, no. 1956 01:38:28.000 --> 01:38:30.199 You know what, well, that's the easier thing to do, 1957 01:38:30.960 --> 01:38:33.000 you know, it's just the easier thing to do rather 1958 01:38:33.039 --> 01:38:34.840 than dealing with your own shit. You you put it 1959 01:38:34.880 --> 01:38:38.560 on everybody else. You know, it's it's your own circumstances 1960 01:38:38.680 --> 01:38:41.760 is the reason why you're unhappy, and you know, God 1961 01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:44.600 dealt you a shitty hand. It's like, and I'm not 1962 01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:47.239 saying we've all gone through that, you know, obviously we've 1963 01:38:47.279 --> 01:38:49.560 all gone through that. But whenever you can finally shed 1964 01:38:49.600 --> 01:38:52.960 all that off, dude and realize that literally there is 1965 01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:55.359 a switch in your mind that you can just change 1966 01:38:55.399 --> 01:38:59.840 perspectives and it's of course, it's like it's it's simple, 1967 01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:02.359 but the d ain't easy kind of thing, like trying 1968 01:39:02.399 --> 01:39:04.960 to understand what that is. Like here you are, dude, 1969 01:39:05.000 --> 01:39:08.520 you're you're you're in your situation, and you're happier now 1970 01:39:08.720 --> 01:39:11.880 in your situation than when you were big pimping with 1971 01:39:11.960 --> 01:39:14.319 the with the cheese, right, Like. 1972 01:39:14.359 --> 01:39:16.279 Well, that's one of the only things you have control over. 1973 01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:18.079 And I think you said it beautifully that you know 1974 01:39:18.199 --> 01:39:21.800 you do have control over your perspective, and that's damn 1975 01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:23.640 thear one of the only things you do have control over. 1976 01:39:23.920 --> 01:39:26.439 Like you're not going to remove all the ignorance of 1977 01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:28.600 the world or all the assholes. You're not gonna make 1978 01:39:28.640 --> 01:39:30.600 everybody aligned with your way of thinking. You're not and 1979 01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:34.960 not should. You know, it really is a perspective. And 1980 01:39:36.199 --> 01:39:40.439 there's the darkness and the nastiness and the fucked up 1981 01:39:40.439 --> 01:39:43.119 ship that I've seen and I've experienced and got the 1982 01:39:43.359 --> 01:39:46.039 proverbial like girl skull badge or boy scout badge. You know, 1983 01:39:46.119 --> 01:39:49.119 I kind of said, like my soul sashes. The fact 1984 01:39:49.159 --> 01:39:51.800 that I've seen all that ship and in the fact 1985 01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:54.640 that I've had some stories from amazing people that have 1986 01:39:54.680 --> 01:39:58.560 shipped they had dark shit with me any day on 1987 01:39:58.600 --> 01:40:00.960 this other side is a blessing. This. I feel like 1988 01:40:01.000 --> 01:40:03.079 this is my second chance at life and I'm never 1989 01:40:03.199 --> 01:40:05.520 ever ever gonna squander again. I'm never gonna raise my 1990 01:40:05.600 --> 01:40:07.600 voice to another person. I'm never gonna threaten to kill 1991 01:40:07.600 --> 01:40:11.840 a guy like I did before. I'll never I don't know, 1992 01:40:11.880 --> 01:40:14.880 I'll never just and if I have stresses in my 1993 01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:16.720 body and I'm not saying I don't once again I'm 1994 01:40:16.760 --> 01:40:18.760 not some enlightened soul that's got all the shit figured out. 1995 01:40:19.000 --> 01:40:22.079 But you know, if if my foot hurts, I won't 1996 01:40:22.119 --> 01:40:24.560 just I'll untie my shoe and make address it. If 1997 01:40:24.600 --> 01:40:26.439 I'm thirsty, I'll get a drink of water. If I'm 1998 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:28.680 getting a headache, I'm gonna figure out why. If my 1999 01:40:28.760 --> 01:40:30.920 relationships are going to shit, I'm gonna figure like, I 2000 01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:34.720 won't let anything settle unless you know, I'll listen to 2001 01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:37.439 those those stresses though, those lights where a lot of 2002 01:40:37.439 --> 01:40:40.520 people just put mask and tape over them and don't 2003 01:40:40.720 --> 01:40:43.319 don't deal with them. Where I lean into any anything 2004 01:40:43.399 --> 01:40:47.239 that doesn't make me fucking happy, I have goosebumps. I'm 2005 01:40:47.319 --> 01:40:49.760 kind of being like, well, why the fuck not so 2006 01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:50.840 you way? 2007 01:40:50.960 --> 01:40:54.279 I mean, you've essentially learned the uh, the old adage 2008 01:40:54.319 --> 01:40:57.439 of living in this world and not of this world? 2009 01:40:57.520 --> 01:41:00.600 Then, I'd like to think so. And it's because I 2010 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:03.079 lost everything too, and again easy for me to say 2011 01:41:03.239 --> 01:41:05.199 there's nothing anybody can take from me because it was 2012 01:41:05.239 --> 01:41:07.920 all lost. I mean, I'm still kind of working from 2013 01:41:07.960 --> 01:41:11.600 ground zero, and fuck it, I've got you know, I'm 2014 01:41:11.600 --> 01:41:13.520 not married, I don't have kids. Well, I don't have 2015 01:41:13.520 --> 01:41:16.239 any homes now, well, my business as I sold, I'm 2016 01:41:16.479 --> 01:41:20.479 I'm a landscape of doing freelance flower work and traveling 2017 01:41:20.520 --> 01:41:23.960 the country. And I just actually, at the end of July, 2018 01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:28.159 I'm traveling from Rhode Island to Oregon to move my 2019 01:41:28.279 --> 01:41:30.720 niece out to college. So like even that, I mean, 2020 01:41:30.720 --> 01:41:34.199 and that just happened last week. So what a beautiful synchronicity. Now, Like, 2021 01:41:34.239 --> 01:41:38.199 what's gonna come out of that beautiful three thousand mile journey? 2022 01:41:38.439 --> 01:41:40.359 I have no idea, but I'm excited as fuck. And 2023 01:41:40.359 --> 01:41:42.760 I'm gonna eat ice cream and drink coffee and. 2024 01:41:44.279 --> 01:41:48.239 Whatever, smokes and good sound like a good time. Oh yeah, dude. 2025 01:41:48.239 --> 01:41:51.760 I'm happy for you, man. I'm glad that you're doing well. Man. 2026 01:41:51.800 --> 01:41:53.800 And from the first time that we interviewed you, I 2027 01:41:53.840 --> 01:41:57.920 was like, Man, this guy, this guy just has an understanding, 2028 01:41:58.279 --> 01:42:00.399 you know, and and I and I hope to one 2029 01:42:00.479 --> 01:42:03.000 day be at that level. Dude, you know, maybe I 2030 01:42:03.039 --> 01:42:04.119 might need to do some d MT. 2031 01:42:04.279 --> 01:42:04.680 I don't know. 2032 01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:08.119 After Jonathan's experience, it kind of it kind of scared 2033 01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:10.000 me a little bit, So I don't know, we'll see 2034 01:42:10.039 --> 01:42:10.520 what happens. 2035 01:42:10.600 --> 01:42:13.560 Well, that apprehension and that respect and that reverence is needed, 2036 01:42:13.600 --> 01:42:16.239 and I'd much rather have see you have that amount 2037 01:42:16.239 --> 01:42:21.520 of caution than lack of it. And the time may 2038 01:42:21.560 --> 01:42:24.479 never be right, and I would, I definitely want to 2039 01:42:24.479 --> 01:42:26.239 say this to you. You know, listen to your intuition, 2040 01:42:26.359 --> 01:42:29.920 listen to your gut. If it's clearly saying wait, wait 2041 01:42:29.960 --> 01:42:32.640 not time, then absolutely wait not time. But there may 2042 01:42:32.680 --> 01:42:36.439 be a day and you'll whatever, You're brushing your teeth 2043 01:42:36.439 --> 01:42:38.279 and you're like, fuck, today's the day I get a smoke. 2044 01:42:38.359 --> 01:42:45.159 DNT right, And you know, as we're kind of winding down, 2045 01:42:46.279 --> 01:42:48.359 you know, I'm sure you're probably gonna ask, like, you know, 2046 01:42:48.399 --> 01:42:50.000 how people get in touch with me and how to 2047 01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:52.239 contact One of the things I've been saying on a 2048 01:42:52.279 --> 01:42:55.159 lot of the all of my podcasts actually is that 2049 01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:57.399 if anybody does want a free copy of the book, 2050 01:42:58.079 --> 01:42:59.640 you know, I've been sending a ship ton of free 2051 01:42:59.640 --> 01:43:01.840 pedia copy So if any you know, it's not a 2052 01:43:01.880 --> 01:43:03.479 matter of making a couple of books on this, it 2053 01:43:03.560 --> 01:43:05.760 really is. Whatever the next step of my life will be, 2054 01:43:06.039 --> 01:43:08.239 I'll figure that out. But as far as the book, 2055 01:43:09.720 --> 01:43:12.359 I'd be happy to send a free PDF copy If 2056 01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:14.560 anybody wants it, just send me their email and I 2057 01:43:14.600 --> 01:43:15.479 can send that out to you. 2058 01:43:15.920 --> 01:43:18.039 Well if people do want to support you though, I mean, 2059 01:43:18.079 --> 01:43:20.600 do you have it on Amazon or on your website 2060 01:43:20.680 --> 01:43:21.800 or where else would it be? 2061 01:43:22.359 --> 01:43:24.880 Yeah, so it's it's on where any wherever you can 2062 01:43:24.920 --> 01:43:27.359 get books. So there's a paperback copy, there's an audible version, 2063 01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:29.600 and there's a kindle version, you know, so you can 2064 01:43:29.920 --> 01:43:34.520 you can get it either way. I did recently just 2065 01:43:34.520 --> 01:43:37.119 start a YouTube channel where I started putting all my 2066 01:43:37.119 --> 01:43:40.159 my interviews and some original content. So that's a good 2067 01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:43.279 way of communicating with me. And then Instagram is probably 2068 01:43:43.279 --> 01:43:46.640 the social media that I use most, and I you know, 2069 01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:49.359 I mentioned about the most rewarding aspect of all of 2070 01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:53.000 this is the personal phone calls, emails and messages that 2071 01:43:53.000 --> 01:43:57.279 I've gotten from individuals that that are really going through 2072 01:43:57.319 --> 01:44:01.079 some shit. So, you know, I offer if anybody wants 2073 01:44:01.119 --> 01:44:03.800 to have a personal conversation call email. You know. Again, 2074 01:44:04.319 --> 01:44:07.920 not that I've got all the answers, but if if 2075 01:44:07.920 --> 01:44:10.319 somebody is looking for a reason to spend a give 2076 01:44:10.359 --> 01:44:12.000 one one day on this planet, I can definitely give 2077 01:44:12.039 --> 01:44:12.840 you one if you need it. 2078 01:44:13.279 --> 01:44:14.119 It's fucking awesome. 2079 01:44:14.199 --> 01:44:17.359 Dude, You're You're Adam, You're just an amazing guy, man, 2080 01:44:17.560 --> 01:44:18.199 and I love you. 2081 01:44:19.560 --> 01:44:22.079 I love you too, man. I can say that and 2082 01:44:22.159 --> 01:44:22.520 mean it. 2083 01:44:23.119 --> 01:44:25.359 And by the way, I'm not much of a reader, 2084 01:44:25.479 --> 01:44:27.319 to be honest, and it's kind of embarrassing, you know, 2085 01:44:27.399 --> 01:44:30.000 like I feel like I have dyslexia. But that's probably 2086 01:44:30.079 --> 01:44:33.079 still the last book I read cover to cover, just 2087 01:44:33.199 --> 01:44:35.840 and that's I just picked it up and just kept 2088 01:44:35.840 --> 01:44:40.720 reading it. This is so fucking fascinating field guy. 2089 01:44:40.880 --> 01:44:43.760 It wasn't meant to be some long, deep research thing 2090 01:44:43.760 --> 01:44:45.600 and that and I appreciate you saying that, because that 2091 01:44:45.680 --> 01:44:48.039 was the whole kind of point was not to get 2092 01:44:48.039 --> 01:44:50.039 bogged down and all the ship and each each chapter 2093 01:44:50.159 --> 01:44:56.039 can be read separately. And yeah, there's there's enough big, thick, 2094 01:44:56.319 --> 01:44:59.239 fur hundred page kind of trip reports out there. That's 2095 01:44:59.279 --> 01:44:59.960 not what I wanted to do. 2096 01:45:00.520 --> 01:45:01.079 Oh dude. 2097 01:45:01.159 --> 01:45:05.920 I just bought the the nag Hamadi text with all 2098 01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:08.479 of the Gnostic teachings back from the I think it 2099 01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:10.119 was written in like I don't know the year three 2100 01:45:10.159 --> 01:45:13.880 hundred something, and dude, that is a thick it's like 2101 01:45:13.920 --> 01:45:14.960 eight hundred something pages. 2102 01:45:14.960 --> 01:45:17.880 I was like, damn, I didn't know. Is that read 2103 01:45:17.920 --> 01:45:19.039 eight hundred pages? 2104 01:45:19.079 --> 01:45:21.239 But I'll you guys would love this as far as 2105 01:45:21.319 --> 01:45:23.119 big book actually, if you've got it up right now, 2106 01:45:23.640 --> 01:45:25.880 Manly Hall, Secret Teachings of All Ages. 2107 01:45:26.000 --> 01:45:28.279 Yes, we've read a lot of it actually the show. 2108 01:45:28.319 --> 01:45:32.479 Oh actually, yeah, you had Ronnie Pontiac on ye, that book. 2109 01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:35.359 So i've I've I'm a huge reader, and I would 2110 01:45:35.399 --> 01:45:40.119 say that that book was probably one of the dentist 2111 01:45:40.399 --> 01:45:44.000 But the the wording on it is so tiny in 2112 01:45:44.039 --> 01:45:47.119 the font so tiny. It's like a six hundred page book, but. 2113 01:45:47.239 --> 01:45:52.119 Seven and thirty six pages it says, well, not thinking 2114 01:45:52.239 --> 01:45:52.720 I have. 2115 01:45:54.279 --> 01:45:56.600 There were some chapters in that book where we were like, uh, 2116 01:45:56.880 --> 01:45:59.119 we weren't ready yet, you know, because we were just one. 2117 01:45:59.079 --> 01:46:02.239 Of understanding its seven under thirty six. Yeah that's what 2118 01:46:02.279 --> 01:46:06.000 you just said. Yeah, yeah, fucking nuts man, Yeah, dude, yeah. 2119 01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.079 Some of them are really thick, and you know, maybe 2120 01:46:08.119 --> 01:46:10.399 it's not necessarily meant to read cover to cover, especially 2121 01:46:10.439 --> 01:46:11.319 seven hundred and thirty. 2122 01:46:11.119 --> 01:46:12.760 Percent a year to read that. 2123 01:46:13.000 --> 01:46:15.119 Yeah, that was imagine. 2124 01:46:15.560 --> 01:46:17.079 Yeah, it's a pretty insane. 2125 01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:17.399 Dude. 2126 01:46:17.399 --> 01:46:19.840 Well, look, I mean, dude, we love you, man. We 2127 01:46:19.880 --> 01:46:22.960 love having these kinds of conversations. They're very eye opening 2128 01:46:23.039 --> 01:46:25.319 and we can tell that you're sincere and you're genuine 2129 01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:27.640 and we can tell that there's you know, we didn't 2130 01:46:27.680 --> 01:46:29.520 know you back when you were an asshole or a 2131 01:46:29.600 --> 01:46:33.039 douchebag or a drunk fuck or whatever. But you know, 2132 01:46:33.159 --> 01:46:35.800 we can tell that there absolutely has to have been 2133 01:46:35.920 --> 01:46:38.800 some kind of transformation just because dude, the the the 2134 01:46:38.840 --> 01:46:41.840 aura in the essence and the the energy that you 2135 01:46:41.880 --> 01:46:45.720 give off, dude is it's it's immistakable. Like you know 2136 01:46:45.880 --> 01:46:49.520 that everything that you say, you're one hundred percent you like, 2137 01:46:49.600 --> 01:46:52.479 you believe it, you know it. Your your body encompasses it. 2138 01:46:52.600 --> 01:46:53.760 And so we appreciate you. 2139 01:46:53.800 --> 01:46:54.079 Brother. 2140 01:46:55.319 --> 01:46:57.680 Hey, I appreciate that, and I accept that as as 2141 01:46:57.720 --> 01:47:00.960 a compliment and you know before maybe so thank you. 2142 01:47:02.359 --> 01:47:04.039 I appreciate what you guys are doing too, you know, 2143 01:47:04.039 --> 01:47:07.319 I appreciate your content and you're you're getting together a 2144 01:47:07.319 --> 01:47:09.920 good tribal like misfit think is that are talking about 2145 01:47:09.960 --> 01:47:11.079 some deep shit? I love it? 2146 01:47:11.439 --> 01:47:14.000 Fuck yeah, dude, Hey, dude, we don't know, we don't know. 2147 01:47:14.079 --> 01:47:16.920 We're just over here at learning and we always say, dude, 2148 01:47:16.920 --> 01:47:19.079 we're not the teachers by any means. We're just stumbling 2149 01:47:19.079 --> 01:47:22.079 across a lot of information and you know what vibes 2150 01:47:22.119 --> 01:47:24.640 with you keep it whatever doesn't vibe with you. I mean, 2151 01:47:24.720 --> 01:47:28.840 for example, we've had you know, uh, people who make 2152 01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:32.600 Satanic sacrifices to the demons of the Gatia for example. 2153 01:47:32.600 --> 01:47:35.159 It's like, well, maybe that's not for everybody, but it's 2154 01:47:35.199 --> 01:47:37.960 interesting to learn how the whole thing works, you know. 2155 01:47:38.119 --> 01:47:41.119 So you know, it's just about getting all the different 2156 01:47:41.119 --> 01:47:44.279 perspectives and and learning what all is possible. That's really 2157 01:47:44.319 --> 01:47:46.399 what we want to try and encompass on this show. 2158 01:47:46.439 --> 01:47:51.000 So yeah, look, every all the all the one out there. 2159 01:47:51.079 --> 01:47:53.880 Go check out Adam Butler's d MT guide. It's on Amazon. 2160 01:47:54.359 --> 01:47:56.640 As he said, you know, you can always just uh 2161 01:47:56.840 --> 01:47:59.439 just what email you to to get the. 2162 01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:02.800 PI book Books by Adam Butler at Gmail. I just could. 2163 01:48:02.920 --> 01:48:04.520 I've had people just say, listen, I'm broke, I don't 2164 01:48:04.520 --> 01:48:06.119 have the money, but I really like your book, and 2165 01:48:06.159 --> 01:48:07.840 you know, I don't want that to be an obstacle. 2166 01:48:08.319 --> 01:48:10.319 Once again, it takes me two seconds to send an email, 2167 01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:11.920 So what the hell? 2168 01:48:12.840 --> 01:48:14.960 And if I'm not mistaken, is it the first chapter 2169 01:48:15.079 --> 01:48:16.479 that is titled who the fuck. 2170 01:48:16.359 --> 01:48:19.039 Am I it is? I love that question. 2171 01:48:19.079 --> 01:48:21.880 Through all this, I've mentioned that passion like really like 2172 01:48:21.920 --> 01:48:23.600 who I right? 2173 01:48:23.680 --> 01:48:25.399 Yeah, yeah, I mentioned that a couple. 2174 01:48:25.279 --> 01:48:27.159 Of times, not all of that. 2175 01:48:27.520 --> 01:48:29.560 What a great name for for a chapter. 2176 01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:29.800 I was. 2177 01:48:29.880 --> 01:48:31.840 I was like, oh, I'm gonna like this book already, 2178 01:48:32.079 --> 01:48:32.359 you know. 2179 01:48:32.720 --> 01:48:35.279 Halfway through the next book, which is more about integration 2180 01:48:35.359 --> 01:48:37.159 and kind of like putting together some of these lessons, 2181 01:48:37.199 --> 01:48:39.840 And I'm starting that book with the same title of 2182 01:48:39.880 --> 01:48:41.600 the first chapter, which is who the fuck am I? 2183 01:48:41.720 --> 01:48:44.000 Because I think it's it's the most important, Like every 2184 01:48:44.079 --> 01:48:45.760 day you should set off with who the fuck am I? 2185 01:48:45.880 --> 01:48:49.399 And don't let anybody push you off that path. But yeah, 2186 01:48:49.800 --> 01:48:50.680 I appreciate that. 2187 01:48:50.840 --> 01:48:53.880 Yeah, man, of course, Hell yeah, Sean. Oh did you 2188 01:48:53.880 --> 01:48:55.079 pull that card yet, sir? 2189 01:48:56.079 --> 01:48:58.920 Oh you know I did. We got the Nine of. 2190 01:48:59.039 --> 01:49:01.399 Swords, the Nine of Swods? 2191 01:49:02.560 --> 01:49:06.319 All right, let's see what the Nine of Swods is. 2192 01:49:05.920 --> 01:49:10.039 It is the It says an anxious mind leads to 2193 01:49:10.199 --> 01:49:14.319 restless nights. Explore how you handle worry and stress to 2194 01:49:14.399 --> 01:49:18.079 transform its impact. A challenging and fraught card, the Nine 2195 01:49:18.079 --> 01:49:21.640 of Swords opens the floodgates to anxious thoughts and worries 2196 01:49:21.640 --> 01:49:23.680 that keep you up at night. The figure on this 2197 01:49:23.760 --> 01:49:27.000 card sits upright in bed, alone in darkness, as nine 2198 01:49:27.079 --> 01:49:30.880 swords dangle ominously above her head. Are these swords real 2199 01:49:31.199 --> 01:49:34.640 or are they imagined worst case scenarios? The blanket that 2200 01:49:34.680 --> 01:49:38.039 covers her depicts red roses, symbolic of love, showing that 2201 01:49:38.079 --> 01:49:41.199 there is compassion surrounding her if she would only uncover 2202 01:49:41.279 --> 01:49:45.279 her eyes and see the spiritual message behind it, says 2203 01:49:45.279 --> 01:49:47.840 stress and anxiety are taking a toll on your physical health. 2204 01:49:48.279 --> 01:49:51.119 You may be feeling alone or spending too much time running, 2205 01:49:52.039 --> 01:49:55.479 ruminating about the same things. Journaling, walking in nature, or 2206 01:49:55.520 --> 01:49:57.920 spending time with others can help you work through these 2207 01:49:57.960 --> 01:49:58.720 negative thoughts. 2208 01:49:59.319 --> 01:50:02.960 So all right, we're a little DMT you know, who knows. 2209 01:50:03.079 --> 01:50:05.600 Well, that's to me that that's shadow work that's going 2210 01:50:05.640 --> 01:50:09.159 in seeing these potentially ominous swords hanging over you. But 2211 01:50:09.319 --> 01:50:11.520 knowing that that's you got to lean into that and 2212 01:50:11.640 --> 01:50:15.159 go through it. And to me, you've got to purge 2213 01:50:15.159 --> 01:50:16.840 the stress and anxiety and deal with it and not 2214 01:50:16.960 --> 01:50:20.199 run from it. Yeah, and more than likely you take 2215 01:50:20.199 --> 01:50:23.239 those swords and take them and stick them up her ass, right. 2216 01:50:23.119 --> 01:50:27.079 And more than likely they are are the worst case scenario, 2217 01:50:27.359 --> 01:50:29.439 imagination working against you. 2218 01:50:29.560 --> 01:50:32.439 So yeah, that's it. Embrace it. 2219 01:50:33.479 --> 01:50:35.720 No, I think that was a good reading, dude, And uh, 2220 01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:38.640 especially for for those that don't know how to kind 2221 01:50:38.680 --> 01:50:41.359 of get their their mind in line and to work 2222 01:50:41.399 --> 01:50:44.279 for them and not against them, then yeah, those swords 2223 01:50:44.359 --> 01:50:48.239 can they can seem definitely real, and probably more real 2224 01:50:48.359 --> 01:50:52.479 than real if we're talking about the mind here. So yeah, man, 2225 01:50:52.560 --> 01:50:55.000 look we're gonna get into the meditation. Thank you so much, 2226 01:50:55.000 --> 01:50:58.239 Adam for joining us. This was fucking awesome. Every conversation 2227 01:50:58.279 --> 01:51:00.600 we have with you is awesome, and we hope that 2228 01:51:00.680 --> 01:51:03.399 whenever that next book comes out, you come back on him. 2229 01:51:03.399 --> 01:51:05.279 Out of mysteries, my brother, for sure. 2230 01:51:05.359 --> 01:51:08.079 Yeah, maybe even Crosspaths and I've ice cream together someday. 2231 01:51:08.199 --> 01:51:10.880 Oh dude, say less less. 2232 01:51:10.880 --> 01:51:12.279 All right, guys, I appreciate your time. 2233 01:51:12.319 --> 01:51:14.319 Thank you, all right, brother, We'll see you next time. 2234 01:51:15.840 --> 01:51:16.319 All right. 2235 01:51:16.399 --> 01:51:21.600 Guys, Adam Butler one of the best, I mean, just you. 2236 01:51:21.600 --> 01:51:24.159 You can just feel it emanating from him. It's it's 2237 01:51:24.199 --> 01:51:27.159 awesome to get that kind of for perspective from somebody 2238 01:51:27.159 --> 01:51:30.119 who's done DMT hundreds of times. I actually said that 2239 01:51:30.159 --> 01:51:33.279 I thought he did it two thousand times, but maybe he's. 2240 01:51:33.119 --> 01:51:33.760 Just lost count. 2241 01:51:33.800 --> 01:51:36.680 Who knows, you know how, I can't imagine there's some 2242 01:51:36.800 --> 01:51:39.800 kind of tally marker that He's like this was the 2243 01:51:39.840 --> 01:51:42.279 first time and this was the ninety ninth time or 2244 01:51:42.319 --> 01:51:44.920 something like that. But either way, I mean, such a 2245 01:51:44.960 --> 01:51:48.640 fascinating perspective and you can see just how it's transformed him. 2246 01:51:48.680 --> 01:51:51.199 So yeah, Sean, And this is why, you know, to 2247 01:51:51.239 --> 01:51:53.640 be honest, this is kind of a reason why we 2248 01:51:53.640 --> 01:51:57.279 talk about DMT a lot, because I know that there's 2249 01:51:57.319 --> 01:51:59.159 like we all know that there's something to it, like 2250 01:51:59.199 --> 01:52:03.680 it's naturally in our body. And and also like for 2251 01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:06.680 the people that think it's it sounds scary or whatever, 2252 01:52:06.840 --> 01:52:09.319 like I want to talk to other people who have 2253 01:52:09.399 --> 01:52:13.720 experienced amazing things and you know, see the transformations in 2254 01:52:13.760 --> 01:52:16.079 them and how they're looking at the world differently and everything. 2255 01:52:16.159 --> 01:52:21.359 So I mean, Sean, after hearing Adam fucking Butler, dude, 2256 01:52:21.439 --> 01:52:22.039 are you more? 2257 01:52:22.159 --> 01:52:23.720 Are you still on the fence? Are you still a 2258 01:52:23.760 --> 01:52:24.279 little habit? 2259 01:52:24.680 --> 01:52:28.079 I'm still in the area of, like I guess I 2260 01:52:28.119 --> 01:52:30.479 haven't really fully been called to do it, you know, 2261 01:52:30.560 --> 01:52:32.279 and so I'm just gonna give it that respect. And 2262 01:52:32.319 --> 01:52:34.680 I like how he said it, and it really made sense, 2263 01:52:34.720 --> 01:52:37.079 you know, like he'd prefer that people would have that 2264 01:52:37.159 --> 01:52:40.079 kind of hesitancy rather than just jumping into it. 2265 01:52:40.159 --> 01:52:40.359 You know. 2266 01:52:40.439 --> 01:52:43.479 And I feel like, if I'm meant to, then I will, 2267 01:52:43.800 --> 01:52:45.199 you know, I'll go with the flow. 2268 01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:45.800 Yeah. 2269 01:52:45.800 --> 01:52:47.680 So yeah, at a moment though, it's like it is 2270 01:52:47.720 --> 01:52:48.359 what it is right. 2271 01:52:48.279 --> 01:52:51.079 Now, as you should with pretty much everything. You know, 2272 01:52:51.119 --> 01:52:52.920 you don't want to rush into anything. You kind of 2273 01:52:52.960 --> 01:52:54.720 want to take your time and get to know it 2274 01:52:54.760 --> 01:52:56.039 a little bit, and you want to wait for the 2275 01:52:56.119 --> 01:52:58.720 right time in your life, because last thing you want 2276 01:52:59.239 --> 01:53:01.880 is to be arguing with somebody you might maybe you 2277 01:53:01.920 --> 01:53:04.199 woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or 2278 01:53:04.439 --> 01:53:06.560 maybe maybe you got fired or some you know, your 2279 01:53:06.560 --> 01:53:09.479 girlfriend or whatever just broke up with you, Like, maybe 2280 01:53:09.560 --> 01:53:12.119 don't do psychedelics on that day, you know. And so 2281 01:53:12.279 --> 01:53:14.359 there's there's a there's a time and a place for it, 2282 01:53:14.399 --> 01:53:14.800 for sure. 2283 01:53:14.880 --> 01:53:16.640 But yeah, and I just feel like and I and 2284 01:53:16.680 --> 01:53:19.000 I know and and just from what Adam has said, 2285 01:53:19.039 --> 01:53:21.760 and I believe that it's very therapeutic, you know, And 2286 01:53:22.119 --> 01:53:23.720 but I just, you know, I don't know. I don't 2287 01:53:23.720 --> 01:53:25.600 want it to be that one percent chance where it 2288 01:53:25.640 --> 01:53:28.039 just shatters my reality just a little too much and 2289 01:53:28.079 --> 01:53:30.640 I can't put the pieces back together, you know. And 2290 01:53:31.239 --> 01:53:32.760 I don't know, maybe I would learn from it and 2291 01:53:32.800 --> 01:53:34.920 maybe I could still uh get. 2292 01:53:34.680 --> 01:53:36.760 By and it would end up being a positive thing. 2293 01:53:36.760 --> 01:53:38.479 But I don't know, It's just it's just one of 2294 01:53:38.520 --> 01:53:40.039 those things, man, I feel like you can just go 2295 01:53:40.079 --> 01:53:42.199 a little too far and not be able to put 2296 01:53:42.239 --> 01:53:43.079 it all back together. 2297 01:53:43.720 --> 01:53:46.520 Oh yeah, I mean it's a it's a that's my hesitancy. 2298 01:53:46.960 --> 01:53:49.920 It's a healthy hesitation, I would say, sir, So yeah, yeah, 2299 01:53:49.960 --> 01:53:52.159 whenever that time's right. And look, this is not like 2300 01:53:52.199 --> 01:53:54.760 a show to try and talk everybody in, to try 2301 01:53:54.760 --> 01:53:57.560 and DMT or that's not ever really the case. It's 2302 01:53:57.640 --> 01:54:00.920 just that, you know, a lot of times psychedelics get 2303 01:54:01.039 --> 01:54:05.399 very demonized, and we like to show the positivity that 2304 01:54:05.439 --> 01:54:09.079 comes from them because the majority of the time, whenever 2305 01:54:09.119 --> 01:54:16.079 you're talking about you know, organic psychedelics, right, like, the 2306 01:54:16.159 --> 01:54:19.600 majority of the time, it's something really profound and awesome 2307 01:54:19.760 --> 01:54:22.079 and great and something that you can apply to your 2308 01:54:22.119 --> 01:54:24.840 life for the rest of your life. So we just 2309 01:54:24.840 --> 01:54:26.359 want to show some of the some of the good 2310 01:54:26.359 --> 01:54:30.359 benefits of it as well. Yeah, that being said, it 2311 01:54:30.439 --> 01:54:33.920 is about time for that meditation, and I got an idea, 2312 01:54:34.359 --> 01:54:35.680 So we're going to get a little crazy. 2313 01:54:35.880 --> 01:54:37.640 I'm ready, man, Hell. 2314 01:54:37.600 --> 01:54:41.159 Yeah, dude, Well, look if Sean, do you have anything 2315 01:54:41.159 --> 01:54:43.119 else you want to add before we get into that meditation? 2316 01:54:43.239 --> 01:54:45.800 Oh man, I'm good. I hope that everybody enjoyed the 2317 01:54:45.800 --> 01:54:48.079 episode and maybe you got something from it. 2318 01:54:48.159 --> 01:54:51.000 I know I did. And uh yeah, man, I. 2319 01:54:50.880 --> 01:54:52.880 Thought it was a great episode. I just love talking 2320 01:54:52.920 --> 01:54:54.920 to Adam. Something about his voice. Man, it just sets 2321 01:54:54.920 --> 01:54:56.399 me at ease. I almost forgot I was one of 2322 01:54:56.399 --> 01:54:58.079 the hosts, you know, I was just like sitting there 2323 01:54:58.079 --> 01:54:58.840 listening to them. 2324 01:54:58.880 --> 01:55:01.039 You know. It's it was a fun one. 2325 01:55:01.079 --> 01:55:01.520 Oh dude. 2326 01:55:01.520 --> 01:55:04.000 Whenever information like that is coming through, it's easy to 2327 01:55:04.039 --> 01:55:06.399 get caught in a trance. You know, you're just soaked, 2328 01:55:06.760 --> 01:55:10.680 like just sucked in right there. So yeah, I guess 2329 01:55:10.680 --> 01:55:13.680 we're gonna get to that meditation. That was a very 2330 01:55:13.720 --> 01:55:17.079 interesting terror reading as well, Sean, And so yeah, I 2331 01:55:17.079 --> 01:55:19.520 guess we're gonna end it right here. And what we 2332 01:55:19.640 --> 01:55:21.920 like to say is is that if Adam Butler came 2333 01:55:21.960 --> 01:55:24.680 here and he taught you anything, it's that. 2334 01:55:24.720 --> 01:55:26.840 You don't know what you don't know. 2335 01:55:27.800 --> 01:55:31.079 So don't just get weird. Stay weird. 2336 01:55:32.359 --> 01:55:46.119 Opens inside mine ordinary form because color swell and stars line. 2337 01:55:44.960 --> 01:55:49.520 In the mysteries, you'll find all right. 2338 01:55:49.640 --> 01:55:54.760 That was a very interesting meditation, Sean, you have anything? 2339 01:55:54.800 --> 01:55:56.720 Wow, it happened there, sir, Uh, you. 2340 01:55:56.680 --> 01:55:59.239 Know nothing, wild man. I don't know what it is. 2341 01:55:59.319 --> 01:56:02.640 Maybe because we've been meditating now for a while. You know, 2342 01:56:02.680 --> 01:56:04.880 when we first started, I felt like I would have 2343 01:56:04.920 --> 01:56:08.479 these profound experiences. I remember having like flashes of light, 2344 01:56:08.640 --> 01:56:12.079 you know, or just certain things happening that have never 2345 01:56:12.119 --> 01:56:15.880 happened to me before. And now I just feel that 2346 01:56:16.880 --> 01:56:19.800 I might just need longer meditations, you know. 2347 01:56:20.720 --> 01:56:22.840 You know, maybe you developed some. 2348 01:56:22.760 --> 01:56:26.680 Sort of oh, what's the word, like a immunity, you know, 2349 01:56:26.720 --> 01:56:29.560 and so now you have to meditate for longer periods 2350 01:56:29.560 --> 01:56:32.119 of time. So and then I feel like that's why 2351 01:56:32.199 --> 01:56:36.079 I probably have more profound experiences when I'm trying to 2352 01:56:36.079 --> 01:56:39.960 go to sleep, you know, because I stay aware that 2353 01:56:40.079 --> 01:56:42.239 I'm like, i'll close my eyes, but I just stay 2354 01:56:42.279 --> 01:56:43.119 completely aware. 2355 01:56:43.920 --> 01:56:45.880 And that's when, like when I'm. 2356 01:56:45.760 --> 01:56:48.520 Laying there for like thirty forty minutes, that's when something 2357 01:56:48.560 --> 01:56:51.000 will happen that's like super strange. 2358 01:56:51.000 --> 01:56:51.159 You know. 2359 01:56:51.239 --> 01:56:54.199 Like the other night, I had this weird it looked 2360 01:56:54.199 --> 01:56:56.359 like a giant kind of like that image, but it 2361 01:56:56.399 --> 01:56:59.800 was just the pupil, you know, just the you know, 2362 01:56:59.840 --> 01:57:03.039 the center part and that's all I could really see, 2363 01:57:03.079 --> 01:57:04.520 and it was kind of faint, you know, but it 2364 01:57:04.600 --> 01:57:07.880 was obvious what I was looking at. And the thought 2365 01:57:07.920 --> 01:57:10.439 I had was like, because I want to say, I 2366 01:57:10.560 --> 01:57:12.880 actually kind of woke up, but I kept my eyes 2367 01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:17.760 closed and I was aware, and it felt like I 2368 01:57:17.840 --> 01:57:21.239 was observing consciousness, you know, like it was just like 2369 01:57:21.279 --> 01:57:23.199 staring at me, like, I don't know, I don't know 2370 01:57:23.239 --> 01:57:25.199 what that was. But I don't know, man, I feel 2371 01:57:25.199 --> 01:57:28.640 like I just need longer meditations anymore to really have 2372 01:57:28.680 --> 01:57:30.840 any kind of profound experience. 2373 01:57:30.920 --> 01:57:32.039 If you will, I. 2374 01:57:32.520 --> 01:57:34.439 Say less, we'll do some longer ones. You want to 2375 01:57:34.479 --> 01:57:35.079 start going. 2376 01:57:34.920 --> 01:57:38.199 Twenty might have to you, man, my have to. I'll 2377 01:57:38.199 --> 01:57:39.640 turn off the light and everything. Man. 2378 01:57:39.920 --> 01:57:42.159 Yeah, that was That was only twelve minutes, which is 2379 01:57:42.239 --> 01:57:45.760 usually around about where we liked. I don't know, it's 2380 01:57:45.840 --> 01:57:48.359 just I'll be honest with you, dude. I actually thought 2381 01:57:48.399 --> 01:57:51.039 that that was a lot longer. Like I thought that 2382 01:57:51.319 --> 01:57:54.479 it went longer in that meditation that we do all 2383 01:57:54.520 --> 01:57:55.880 the other ones. I thought that we were going to 2384 01:57:55.920 --> 01:57:57.720 be at like whenever I opened my eyes, I was like, dude, 2385 01:57:57.760 --> 01:57:58.640 for sure, we're going. 2386 01:57:58.560 --> 01:58:00.640 To be at least seventeen eighteen right now. 2387 01:58:00.800 --> 01:58:03.279 Oh really, yeah, Like it just felt like it was 2388 01:58:03.880 --> 01:58:06.600 so long and in depth, and I had like a 2389 01:58:06.640 --> 01:58:08.800 bunch of like weird things that were shown up to me, 2390 01:58:08.840 --> 01:58:12.840 which one of them was really strange. I actually uh 2391 01:58:14.159 --> 01:58:18.119 in in that meditation out randomly out of nowhere. 2392 01:58:18.239 --> 01:58:21.279 I wasn't thinking about it. I just saw it where 2393 01:58:22.079 --> 01:58:22.640 it was like. 2394 01:58:24.079 --> 01:58:29.640 An like a video image of me like throwing up 2395 01:58:29.720 --> 01:58:34.920 some kind of yellow like acidly, like. 2396 01:58:35.279 --> 01:58:37.199 I don't know, puke or it was almost like I 2397 01:58:37.279 --> 01:58:37.840 was purging. 2398 01:58:37.880 --> 01:58:39.439 And I was like, oh, that's interesting that I would 2399 01:58:39.479 --> 01:58:42.359 see that in a DMT meditation. You know, it's like 2400 01:58:42.439 --> 01:58:45.319 very ayahuasca Like I was like, that's crazy. I wasn't 2401 01:58:45.359 --> 01:58:48.199 I wasn't even thinking about that at all, and here 2402 01:58:48.199 --> 01:58:48.520 it was. 2403 01:58:48.560 --> 01:58:51.560 It just showed itself to me. So that's some kind 2404 01:58:51.600 --> 01:58:52.359 of purging thing. 2405 01:58:52.520 --> 01:58:55.359 Oh, things like that happened where you're not even expecting it, 2406 01:58:55.439 --> 01:58:57.279 you know, like it's just like out of nowhere. 2407 01:58:57.359 --> 01:58:59.159 You're like, what was that, you know, even if it's 2408 01:58:59.239 --> 01:58:59.800 just for a second. 2409 01:59:00.560 --> 01:59:03.159 Yeah, yeah, And I mean there were some other things 2410 01:59:03.199 --> 01:59:08.680 like so have you ever seen Limitless with Bradley Cooper? 2411 01:59:09.079 --> 01:59:11.359 Yep, so in the beginning or. 2412 01:59:13.119 --> 01:59:14.239 I'm remember that. 2413 01:59:14.560 --> 01:59:14.800 Yeah. 2414 01:59:14.880 --> 01:59:17.159 Yeah, So in the beginning of the movie, it was 2415 01:59:17.199 --> 01:59:19.720 like like a lot of other movies, but it looks 2416 01:59:19.800 --> 01:59:23.119 like like a car or somebody or something is like 2417 01:59:23.199 --> 01:59:26.039 moving really fast through a through a very busy city, 2418 01:59:26.239 --> 01:59:29.159 right yep. And it's like you're only you're only getting 2419 01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:31.720 blurs on on either side, and it just looks like 2420 01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:34.279 you're moving like the flash, you know. And that's what 2421 01:59:34.359 --> 01:59:36.319 it kind of felt like that I was. It felt 2422 01:59:36.319 --> 01:59:38.840 like I was in like New York City. Maybe it 2423 01:59:38.880 --> 01:59:41.239 was because of the sounds or whatever, but it felt 2424 01:59:41.239 --> 01:59:44.159 like I was moving through alleys and the city and 2425 01:59:44.199 --> 01:59:48.159 it it was like Groundhog Day for every like repetitive sound. 2426 01:59:48.239 --> 01:59:50.119 It was like, oh, I already went to sleep and 2427 01:59:50.119 --> 01:59:51.880 now I'm waking up. I'm having to go back to work, 2428 01:59:52.119 --> 01:59:54.680 bang on a hammer, I'm having to do all this 2429 01:59:54.800 --> 01:59:58.319 And it was just very repetitive and and mundane almost, 2430 01:59:58.479 --> 02:00:01.399 and and then it it was like then I would 2431 02:00:01.600 --> 02:00:04.960 you know, I was listening to the elevator pitch to 2432 02:00:05.079 --> 02:00:07.479 it too, so it was like amplifying and it was 2433 02:00:07.560 --> 02:00:11.039 like it was more of the same, but like more 2434 02:00:11.680 --> 02:00:15.479 inclusive or more information And maybe maybe it was like 2435 02:00:15.520 --> 02:00:19.239 me like growing in my spiritual process or whatever. Maybe 2436 02:00:19.359 --> 02:00:22.439 I'm just becoming more aware of whatever goes on in 2437 02:00:22.439 --> 02:00:25.000 my normal daily life. And it seemed like to be 2438 02:00:25.079 --> 02:00:27.600 progressing at a weird at a weird rate. But it 2439 02:00:27.640 --> 02:00:29.560 was like strange because I've never even been to New 2440 02:00:29.600 --> 02:00:31.680 York City, and so why would I think that I 2441 02:00:31.720 --> 02:00:34.079 was in New York City, you know, And. 2442 02:00:35.039 --> 02:00:35.439 I don't know. 2443 02:00:35.680 --> 02:00:40.159 Wild shit happens in meditations, like and sometimes if you 2444 02:00:40.319 --> 02:00:43.159 just I mean, yeah, you can kind of guide your 2445 02:00:43.199 --> 02:00:45.079 meditations a little bit. Maybe you want to get a 2446 02:00:45.119 --> 02:00:47.760 little imaginative and try and be like, Okay, you know, 2447 02:00:47.800 --> 02:00:50.720 I want to go see Garrick the fucking Leprechaun or 2448 02:00:50.760 --> 02:00:54.000 something like that, right, which is pretty cool, you know, 2449 02:00:54.119 --> 02:00:56.640 because what happens with those where you kind of have 2450 02:00:56.720 --> 02:00:59.279 an angle where you want to go. It's cool because 2451 02:00:59.720 --> 02:01:04.520 you almost start the fire and your subconscious like builds it, 2452 02:01:05.399 --> 02:01:07.920 you know, which is really cool. It'll almost just like 2453 02:01:08.000 --> 02:01:12.359 take take hold itself. And then there's other times where 2454 02:01:12.359 --> 02:01:14.079 it's like, all right, you know what, I'm just gonna 2455 02:01:14.119 --> 02:01:16.760 go into as deep as a trance as I can 2456 02:01:16.840 --> 02:01:20.079 possibly be in, and whatever wants to show itself to me, 2457 02:01:20.119 --> 02:01:24.079 whatever thought wants to present itself to me. I'm gonna 2458 02:01:24.119 --> 02:01:26.680 allow it, you know, and just and just see, just 2459 02:01:26.760 --> 02:01:29.319 be the observer, like I'm not even this person or 2460 02:01:29.359 --> 02:01:32.119 anything like, I'm just the observer. I'm the I'm the 2461 02:01:32.279 --> 02:01:36.319 awareness of this person. Which is cool because actually last night, 2462 02:01:37.520 --> 02:01:40.239 strangely enough, I feel like I always talk about, like 2463 02:01:40.279 --> 02:01:42.239 what I thought about last night whenever I was baked 2464 02:01:42.279 --> 02:01:46.079 in my bed, But this was another experience where last 2465 02:01:46.159 --> 02:01:48.319 night I was laying in my bed super baked, right, 2466 02:01:48.800 --> 02:01:52.239 and which is where a lot of my brainstorming happens, 2467 02:01:52.279 --> 02:01:55.800 like for the next day. Like normally I'll brainstorm and 2468 02:01:55.840 --> 02:01:59.039 then I take something from that and that'll apply to 2469 02:01:59.119 --> 02:02:02.520 the next yeah, the next episode or a direction of 2470 02:02:02.520 --> 02:02:04.119 an episode that I want to go to or whatever. 2471 02:02:04.560 --> 02:02:10.119 And I actually recorded myself on voice memos because I 2472 02:02:10.159 --> 02:02:11.760 didn't have the energy to write it down. 2473 02:02:12.760 --> 02:02:14.479 Hey, at least you did that, man, good shit. 2474 02:02:14.960 --> 02:02:15.199 Yeah. 2475 02:02:15.319 --> 02:02:17.239 Yeah, And I want to try and see if it'll 2476 02:02:17.239 --> 02:02:19.079 pick up on the mic. 2477 02:02:20.840 --> 02:02:21.840 Oh interesting. Yeah. 2478 02:02:21.840 --> 02:02:24.840 I recorded it at three o'clock in the morning on 2479 02:02:24.880 --> 02:02:28.039 the dot and it was one minute and eleven seconds. 2480 02:02:28.520 --> 02:02:29.000 Of course. 2481 02:02:29.319 --> 02:02:32.000 All right, so let me know if you can hear this. 2482 02:02:32.920 --> 02:02:35.000 Hold on, let me turn it all the way up 2483 02:02:35.039 --> 02:02:35.520 real quick. 2484 02:02:35.680 --> 02:02:41.000 Here we go, mind, Oh we aren't. Here we go, dude. 2485 02:02:41.000 --> 02:02:44.039 We are the higher mind. We are not the body. 2486 02:02:44.119 --> 02:02:49.680 We're just aware of it and can influence it. But 2487 02:02:50.239 --> 02:02:54.760 if you look at yourself from the higher mind, then 2488 02:02:55.000 --> 02:02:59.119 the body itself is not just a body anymore. 2489 02:02:59.119 --> 02:03:02.359 It's something someone. 2490 02:03:01.960 --> 02:03:05.239 That you can adore because you know that you're looking 2491 02:03:05.279 --> 02:03:08.439 after it, like you're looking not even after the body, 2492 02:03:08.520 --> 02:03:10.840 like I don't even say it, you're looking. 2493 02:03:10.560 --> 02:03:11.720 After the person. 2494 02:03:12.680 --> 02:03:16.279 So it allows you to it even admire yourself because 2495 02:03:16.319 --> 02:03:19.880 you want to love and nourish and do all the 2496 02:03:19.920 --> 02:03:22.800 good things for yourself, you know, good mental health and 2497 02:03:22.840 --> 02:03:27.920 good love life and good work ethic and maintaining things 2498 02:03:28.039 --> 02:03:33.199 that you know that your person needs. That's a good 2499 02:03:33.199 --> 02:03:40.199 way of saying it. It's your person. Wow, that's pretty neat. 2500 02:03:41.600 --> 02:03:47.640 So yeah, just be of a higher mind and love and. 2501 02:03:47.640 --> 02:03:48.560 Nurture your person. 2502 02:03:51.840 --> 02:03:53.600 Yeah, that's it. And so that's what I was. 2503 02:03:53.680 --> 02:03:56.399 I was like, holy shit, that's so crazy, because you know, 2504 02:03:56.439 --> 02:03:58.680 we look at our kids and want we want to 2505 02:03:59.119 --> 02:04:01.039 care for them and tech them, and we always want 2506 02:04:01.079 --> 02:04:03.000 to look out for their best interests and stuff like that. 2507 02:04:03.319 --> 02:04:05.560 But if we just turned that around and looked at 2508 02:04:05.600 --> 02:04:09.119 ourselves as if like we are the higher mind, and 2509 02:04:09.199 --> 02:04:12.800 look at your person. You're you, right, not as if 2510 02:04:12.840 --> 02:04:16.079 it's you, but it's a person that you're looking out 2511 02:04:16.119 --> 02:04:18.960 for kind of thing. Now, it's like, you know, it 2512 02:04:19.000 --> 02:04:21.720 gets you out of that selfish kind of mindset, and 2513 02:04:21.760 --> 02:04:23.760 now you only want what's best for this person. So 2514 02:04:23.760 --> 02:04:25.920 you're not gonna be talking shit about that person. You're 2515 02:04:25.920 --> 02:04:28.079 not going to be, you know, doing all of the 2516 02:04:28.119 --> 02:04:32.479 negative things or putting your person in any kind of bad, uh, 2517 02:04:33.079 --> 02:04:36.319 whatever kind of experience. Right, Like, you always just want 2518 02:04:36.479 --> 02:04:39.319 the best for your person. And I thought about that 2519 02:04:39.359 --> 02:04:41.319 and I was like, holy fuck, that's the secret. 2520 02:04:41.520 --> 02:04:42.600 I got it figured out. 2521 02:04:42.840 --> 02:04:45.079 Wow, And then oh I love it. I love it. 2522 02:04:45.199 --> 02:04:47.000 Yeah, you could even hear whenever I was like, wow, 2523 02:04:47.079 --> 02:04:50.640 that's the best way to put at your person. That's 2524 02:04:50.640 --> 02:04:53.079 how you know you're baked whenever you like blow your own. 2525 02:04:52.960 --> 02:04:55.479 Mind, right, dude. No, I love it, Dude. I might 2526 02:04:55.479 --> 02:04:57.399 have to start smoking weed again. I don't know, because 2527 02:04:57.399 --> 02:05:01.039 I miss those those times, you know, because just having 2528 02:05:01.119 --> 02:05:03.600 those profound thoughts that you know, and who knows if 2529 02:05:03.600 --> 02:05:05.560 it's any good the next day. But no, I feel 2530 02:05:05.600 --> 02:05:08.960 like that was that was really good because it's really hard, uh, 2531 02:05:09.399 --> 02:05:13.840 for for people to or for myself anyways, to look 2532 02:05:13.880 --> 02:05:17.319 at myself in a in a the best way possible, 2533 02:05:17.399 --> 02:05:19.600 you know what I mean. We're always shit talking ourselves, 2534 02:05:19.840 --> 02:05:22.960 you know, and for whatever reason, that's the deep fault. 2535 02:05:22.960 --> 02:05:27.359 And I don't understand. Maybe it's the uh survival type 2536 02:05:27.399 --> 02:05:29.399 of thing. I'm not too sure. But but when you 2537 02:05:29.439 --> 02:05:32.279 look at yourself, imagine you are standing in. 2538 02:05:32.239 --> 02:05:32.560 Front of it. 2539 02:05:32.960 --> 02:05:35.119 That's weird, kind of like how Adam was talking about 2540 02:05:35.119 --> 02:05:39.520 his future self, you know, approaching him, and imagine you 2541 02:05:39.600 --> 02:05:43.039 looking at yourself and you know what that person which 2542 02:05:43.079 --> 02:05:46.760 is you, has been through, you know you, and and 2543 02:05:46.880 --> 02:05:50.119 have empathy and love for that for that person, and 2544 02:05:50.119 --> 02:05:52.399 even give yourself like a hug, you know what I mean. Like, 2545 02:05:53.359 --> 02:05:56.439 it's just so much easier, it seems like, for whatever reason, 2546 02:05:56.520 --> 02:06:00.680 to to shit talk yourself or or to feel less 2547 02:06:00.720 --> 02:06:03.479 than But if you were looking at yourself from outside 2548 02:06:03.479 --> 02:06:06.479 of yourself, it's a different ball game. 2549 02:06:06.960 --> 02:06:10.359 Yeah, dude, So yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking. 2550 02:06:10.640 --> 02:06:13.359 And so I don't know, maybe you can apply of it. 2551 02:06:13.399 --> 02:06:14.880 Maybe I'm just crazy, who knows. 2552 02:06:14.880 --> 02:06:17.840 But I love that you recorded it though. Yeah, thank 2553 02:06:17.880 --> 02:06:18.199 you for that. 2554 02:06:18.520 --> 02:06:22.399 Yeah, dude, Yeah, I'll try and make a wow. 2555 02:06:23.680 --> 02:06:25.399 Like Owen Owen Wilson. 2556 02:06:25.640 --> 02:06:26.640 Right wow. 2557 02:06:28.079 --> 02:06:30.119 But uh but yeah, that was fun anyway. 2558 02:06:30.199 --> 02:06:33.039 Look, that was an awesome conversation with Adam Butler as 2559 02:06:33.079 --> 02:06:36.079 all as it always is, and uh, I can't wait 2560 02:06:36.119 --> 02:06:38.960 to do it again. But yeah, I guess until next time, 2561 02:06:39.000 --> 02:06:42.159 we will see y'all on the flip side, I guess. 2562 02:06:42.920 --> 02:06:46.479 Voices drift on winds untae. 2563 02:06:47.000 --> 02:06:48.520 Words like spells. 2564 02:06:48.399 --> 02:06:50.000 That can't be named. 2565 02:06:51.239 --> 02:06:56.560 Close your eyes and feel the sound journey where no 2566 02:06:57.039 --> 02:06:58.640 bounds are bound. 2567 02:07:00.239 --> 02:07:07.800 Doors inside to mind, leave the ordinary far behind. The 2568 02:07:07.920 --> 02:07:14.880 colors swell, and stars alive. In the mental mysteries, you'll 2569 02:07:15.000 --> 02:07:15.319 find 2570 02:07:22.760 --> 02:07:22.800 H