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Speaker 3: you don't know what you don't know. My name is Jonathan,
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Speaker 3: one Welcome in everybody who is joining so far, very
Speaker 3: nice to be able to see y'all.
Speaker 4: Adam, I don't even know if I told you that this.
Speaker 3: Was gonna be the live show, but I didn't.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I just realized that.
Speaker 5: No, I have zero problems with that.
Speaker 6: He's like, I gotta go.
Speaker 5: No, if anything that makes it more interesting and hopefully
Speaker 5: more helpful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. I mean, we loved doing the
Speaker 4: live shows.
Speaker 3: It's just more perspectives and more people can chime in
Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and so yeah, it's it'll be
Speaker 3: pretty cool. And and by the way, anybody that wants
Speaker 3: to be able to chime in, maybe you have a
Speaker 3: question for Adam or anything like that. Just feel free
Speaker 3: to put it in the chat. But yeah, tonight we're
Speaker 3: gonna be conversing with one of our favorites, Adam Butler.
Speaker 3: We actually just got done recently talking about you on
Speaker 3: a prior episode about all of your experience with d MT,
Speaker 3: and in preparation for the show, I went back and
Speaker 3: I looked at the the video of the only time
Speaker 3: that I had done DMT, which was last year, and Dude,
Speaker 3: it's like it's a whole other thing when you watch it,
Speaker 3: because it almost brings you all the way back, like
Speaker 3: to that moment of what you were experiencing. Dude, my
Speaker 3: first time doing it, I had tears running down my face.
Speaker 3: It was just so like beautiful and all encompassing and everything.
Speaker 4: But have you ever videoed yourself? Not to sound weird,
Speaker 4: but have you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, that's the extra subscription you get to pay
Speaker 5: more for that.
Speaker 6: That's not fayture.
Speaker 5: No. And you know, I'm intellectually curious about videotaping that
Speaker 5: session and kind of seeing what happens. I would say
Speaker 5: ninety five percent of the time that I do. And
Speaker 5: I'm with my girlfriend and we're kind of holding space
Speaker 5: for one another. So I kind of get the replay
Speaker 5: from her and yeah, there's a lot going on there,
Speaker 5: and short hand said, no, would I be curious? Possibly,
Speaker 5: But man, I don't know. I've sit since our last conversation.
Speaker 5: There's been some pretty unique sessions.
Speaker 3: So love to get into that, yeah, dude, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: Well I love that you and our boy Danny Gohler
Speaker 3: got together. That's like two kingpins of the DMT world
Speaker 3: right there.
Speaker 6: And consciousness in general.
Speaker 3: Man, I mean the way that you guys can just
Speaker 3: bounce back and forth between each other. I mean the
Speaker 3: ship that y'all have seen, dude, Like it's hard for
Speaker 3: a lot of people to keep up, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Like that is because you're learning, Like you
Speaker 3: you feel like you're learning on that other side or
Speaker 3: do you even call it the other side or is
Speaker 3: it just right here?
Speaker 4: What do you think?
Speaker 5: I typically call it the DMT realm. Yes, And what
Speaker 5: I can what I appreciate about Danny and hopefully I
Speaker 5: personify as well, is a sense of humility, you know,
Speaker 5: as much as he can say with clarity and confidence
Speaker 5: what he saw his experiences. You know, when he speaks
Speaker 5: of the laser experiment, what led up to it. He's
Speaker 5: had some really profound DMT experiences, but he'll be the
Speaker 5: first to say that, you know, he doesn't know what
Speaker 5: the code means. He doesn't necessarily, you know, he's not
Speaker 5: coming out saying he's got all the answers. If anything,
Speaker 5: he's kind of saying just the opposite. Let's explore this further,
Speaker 5: let's get more data points. But to just say like, no,
Speaker 5: there's nothing here, there's nothing to see. You know, he's
Speaker 5: just making up shit. I can say definitively from my
Speaker 5: own experience that's not false. Now, whether that's my consciousness
Speaker 5: just making up shit because I'm fanboying somebody, I highly
Speaker 5: doubt that, especially if somebody is well versed in the
Speaker 5: DMT space and is well versed in what an altered
Speaker 5: state and consciousness like, how that affects your visual perception
Speaker 5: and just how dynamic and fluid and all of the
Speaker 5: weird shit that goes on in that space, and then
Speaker 5: just the dynamic movement and the laser itself. What I
Speaker 5: saw was was different and above that. So yeah, I
Speaker 5: know that was a That was an awesome conversation. And
Speaker 5: I can say since that I've talked to multiple times,
Speaker 5: I consider him a friend. I've I've hooked him up
Speaker 5: with a couple of connections and he and I and
Speaker 5: I'd like to think that's one of those relationships that
Speaker 5: we'll just keep bouncing off one another and collaborating in
Speaker 5: the future, and as we keep expanding our reach and
Speaker 5: our scope that you know, we can we can approach
Speaker 5: it because I think we really have the same intellectual
Speaker 5: curiosity with the scientific bent, but also have no problem
Speaker 5: exploring the more esoteric and out there and kind of
Speaker 5: like unexplained shit, because that's what makes it so meta mystery.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right, dude.
Speaker 7: Sometimes, you know, you got to take the path that's
Speaker 7: not really taken very often, you know. And I think that,
Speaker 7: you know, the whole d MT realm is is definitely
Speaker 7: definitely that you know, and you were talking about the
Speaker 7: way that Danny Gohler has been going into all this
Speaker 7: stuff and trying to get people just to look at it.
Speaker 7: You know, I think that is probably the hardest thing
Speaker 7: because there's such a and I don't know why exactly,
Speaker 7: but there's such a stigma on DMT in general, and
Speaker 7: so yeah, just getting people to look at it, I
Speaker 7: think it's just I think that's where we need to
Speaker 7: be man, And I'm loving the work that he's doing.
Speaker 5: And I would say, and he has had some critics,
Speaker 5: and some of the anybody following the story knows that,
Speaker 5: you know, some of the more outspoken ones I've listened to,
Speaker 5: the to the to the people that have not necessarily
Speaker 5: critical aspects to say, But they're really not they're not
Speaker 5: shooting down his experiment and they're not saying what he's
Speaker 5: seeing isn't there. You know, they may have a difference
Speaker 5: of interpretation, they may have a difference of approaching how
Speaker 5: you quantify it or you know, how you analyze the data.
Speaker 5: But I haven't heard one person. I mean, even like
Speaker 5: on my thing, I've had some people say, oh, you're
Speaker 5: just looking at the back of your eyelashes, and it's like,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't even respond to shit like that,
Speaker 5: because it's like you've clearly never done fucking DMP and
Speaker 5: you've clearly never actually tried to meditate focus intentionally to
Speaker 5: see something in it. And it's like if you did,
Speaker 5: you wouldn't come up with something as asinine as you know,
Speaker 5: your eyelashes.
Speaker 3: Well, those are the people that don't know what They
Speaker 3: don't fucking they really don't.
Speaker 5: But you know, I give them the space to say
Speaker 5: what they need to say until they've experienced it. But
Speaker 5: like I said, typically even that the people that have,
Speaker 5: you know, an issue with some of the grandiose things
Speaker 5: he's saying, still will you know, can't really dispute that
Speaker 5: not only he I and I stand by what I
Speaker 5: saw and what I said, and you know, hundreds, if
Speaker 5: not thousands of other people are seeing something above and
Speaker 5: beyond the weird shit that you normally see. Dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and actually, I'm super excited to have this conversation
Speaker 3: just with all of the research that we've been diving
Speaker 3: into with DMT and how we're understanding it now. And
Speaker 3: I mean just the some of the findings that they
Speaker 3: found within DMT X about like how your brain is
Speaker 3: really only working like five ten percent of it is
Speaker 3: hiring at any given moment. But then on DMT, whenever
Speaker 3: they hook up the electrodes or the brain scans or whatever,
Speaker 3: fucking ninety percent is firing, and it's firing together. Parts
Speaker 3: of the brain that don't normally speak together are are conversing.
Speaker 3: And that's what makes it kind of like really all inclusive.
Speaker 3: It's like you know, whenever you look at that information,
Speaker 3: it's like, well, to be more proper, the reality that
Speaker 3: we say we live in is more of a hallucination
Speaker 3: than even the DMT realm. And just just by that
Speaker 3: science and looking at those statistics and everything, it's not
Speaker 3: to say that you know, this reality isn't real. Maybe
Speaker 3: just every level of reality is a form of hallucination.
Speaker 3: If everything is all, you know, like stacked up, stacked
Speaker 3: up on top of each other or something like that.
Speaker 3: I mean, do you think that like all of that
Speaker 3: is happening here in a sense like people have said,
Speaker 3: like it's happening beyond the veil or something like that.
Speaker 4: But if you think about it beyond all time?
Speaker 3: But if you think about if it's beyond the veil,
Speaker 3: then that would mean that it's it's not out there
Speaker 3: right like it would be here ish And where is here?
Speaker 3: Like are we talking about here as far as our
Speaker 3: subconscious goes here, as far as this reality goes?
Speaker 4: What do you think about all that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot to impact there.
Speaker 6: Sorry.
Speaker 5: I think the unique way or one of the unique
Speaker 5: aspects of DMT that can all be tied into what
Speaker 5: you're asking is how your physiology the human physiology can
Speaker 5: change and get to be sensitive, to be way more
Speaker 5: than your normal five senses. And the fact that DMT,
Speaker 5: you know, obviously you can smoke in and get that
Speaker 5: external bump. But you know, we talked about this multiple times,
Speaker 5: how it is indogenous, it is produced naturally in your
Speaker 5: own body. How you know with holotropic breathing and deep
Speaker 5: meditation that you can kind of get your your body
Speaker 5: to get to those different states. I'm as much as
Speaker 5: I'm a proponent of using DMT to get to these
Speaker 5: elevated states. I mentioned in the last episode that and
Speaker 5: I I remember and as I listened to it, I
Speaker 5: was kind of like made this bold claim, like fuck it,
Speaker 5: I'm booking my Minroe trip. So I did go to
Speaker 5: the Monroe Institute last November, and I spent a week
Speaker 5: there and did the Deep Gateway Voyage meditation and it
Speaker 5: was absolutely phenomenal. And I mentioned that only because I
Speaker 5: think there's multiple ways of getting to these elevated states
Speaker 5: of consciousness, whether it be psychedelics, DMT. You know, the
Speaker 5: HEMI sink binarrow beats from from the Monroe Institute, deep meditation,
Speaker 5: ice bats, there's walks in the woods, there's a lot
Speaker 5: of ways of kind of getting your body to be
Speaker 5: able to be more sensitive to different vibrational energies. But
Speaker 5: the fact that you have just so many more data
Speaker 5: points and so many so much more coming in when
Speaker 5: you're in that elevated state, it just seems to be that,
Speaker 5: you know, that's where that term of Extrassman's volunteers about
Speaker 5: the more real than real, and you learn that your
Speaker 5: body really is capable, even if it's only for a
Speaker 5: five six, seven eight minute period. In my case, anyway,
Speaker 5: I know when I come back, it's kind of like, oh,
Speaker 5: that's what my body's like with rocket fuel and with
Speaker 5: the governor off, with all the do dads and all
Speaker 5: of the you know, the cheat codes and all the
Speaker 5: power ups.
Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking too, is that it is
Speaker 3: kind of like that we have a governor on, you know,
Speaker 3: and it makes more sense to say, all right, well,
Speaker 3: Governor's off. This is everything that you get to experience
Speaker 3: if you're able or allowed or capable of being able
Speaker 3: to access everything that like all of the parts, you know,
Speaker 3: like you don't just hit the gas, maybe you shift
Speaker 3: it into fucking fifth gear, you know, like just get
Speaker 3: real weird on DMT, and I don't know, dude, it's.
Speaker 5: To keep it that analogy though, that governor is needed.
Speaker 5: You know, we, in my opinion, we need to be
Speaker 5: able to filter out a majority of the sensory input.
Speaker 5: As much as I love that that DMT space, there's
Speaker 5: no way you could walk around like that, not as
Speaker 5: a human. You have to be able to filter out
Speaker 5: the majority of it. But that's where with you know,
Speaker 5: intentional use, and with the hundreds of times that I've
Speaker 5: done DMT. Every time, whether it be looking to try
Speaker 5: to see a laser, whether it be trying to do
Speaker 5: in a shadow work, whether it be just trying to
Speaker 5: explore the depths and realms of of that DMT space,
Speaker 5: it's always with a really deep and concentrated and expressed intent,
Speaker 5: you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, And actually we had recently we had our
Speaker 3: boy Optimistic Banks on the show and he's actually somebody
Speaker 3: who has done DMT and has had a near death experience.
Speaker 4: And I asked him.
Speaker 3: I was like, dude, I got to ask you, just
Speaker 3: out of curiosity, was the near death experience comparable to
Speaker 3: what you experienced in the DMT realm?
Speaker 4: He goes, It's the same exact thing. I was like
Speaker 4: I knew it.
Speaker 6: I knew Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, dude. So I think it's.
Speaker 5: It's you just have access to more sensory inputs. And
Speaker 5: that's a difficult thing to describe because it's it's way
Speaker 5: more than just heightened sound or heightened senses or heightened sight.
Speaker 5: It's you have and it's not just that synesthesia where
Speaker 5: you're you know, you're tasting sounds or you're you're feeling
Speaker 5: different colors and shit like that, but it is really
Speaker 5: you are acquiring new abilities to take information and that
Speaker 5: like I said, I don't have a name for those,
Speaker 5: I don't know what the fuck they are. I just
Speaker 5: know that, you know, you are able to receive information,
Speaker 5: whether it be telepathically. You know, people use the words
Speaker 5: all the time like DNA download, I've had upgrades, you know,
Speaker 5: all of these these terms because it's it's a it's
Speaker 5: a different way of getting knowledge. It's not just having
Speaker 5: some guy speak in English telling you a lecture. It's
Speaker 5: it's a weird way of absorbing knowledge and you you
Speaker 5: feel it to your core, and you you know, you
Speaker 5: don't fucking unsee that stuff like it's it's the sta
Speaker 5: with you yeah, absolutely, the whole thing does, like you
Speaker 5: just don't forget it, Like that feeling is so in
Speaker 5: miss stakable that you know it is escaping for sure.
Speaker 3: I mean especially for me, I've only ever done it
Speaker 3: one time, so I mean compared to you, I mean,
Speaker 3: just out of curiosity, if you had to put a
Speaker 3: number on the amount of times that you've done DMT,
Speaker 3: could you do that?
Speaker 5: Oh fuck? So I would say, you know, how are
Speaker 5: you counting it? So to me, each session is when
Speaker 5: you're taking three, four, five, when you're really pushing it, six, seven,
Speaker 5: eight hits if you have a eight pen, if you
Speaker 5: can really fucking whack it. I mean that first day
Speaker 5: I did I think seven eight sessions, and then within
Speaker 5: the subsequent months I did dozens and dozens more so,
Speaker 5: and then after that it just kept kind of going
Speaker 5: to I mean I said on the last podcast hundreds
Speaker 5: and put a plural on it. It was probably more
Speaker 5: close to one hundred. Then I would say, now it's
Speaker 5: it's hundreds of sessions, which would equate to multiple hundreds
Speaker 5: of hits, which you know, even one hit is pretty
Speaker 5: pretty deep.
Speaker 4: And I've had the.
Speaker 5: Whole realm of you know, interactions and you know, I'd
Speaker 5: be happy to get into listening to a couple of
Speaker 5: your podcasts.
Speaker 6: Ago.
Speaker 5: I know you have some kind of questions about the
Speaker 5: entities and some of the more profound experiences, and I
Speaker 5: know he went over a couple of them on the
Speaker 5: last interview, but there has been don't know, a couple
Speaker 5: new ones or more kind of outlandish like even that
Speaker 5: put me into like that what the fuck type space,
Speaker 5: But I'd be more than happy to field any type
Speaker 5: of questions on that or how you want to stare
Speaker 5: kind of.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'd love to hear him, dude, We'd definitely love
Speaker 3: to hear him. And just out of curiosity, how are
Speaker 3: you taking the d M T Is it five me EO?
Speaker 3: Is it ayahuasca? Is it the what is it called
Speaker 3: the buck? I can't remember the name of the type,
Speaker 3: the mimosa hostilis or something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you just said a lot of things. So
Speaker 5: most of hostilite is the plant and the main route
Speaker 5: that typically you use to make the DMT crystals. So
Speaker 5: and in my book, I have recipes on kind of
Speaker 5: going all over this. So I'd say the two main
Speaker 5: distinctions are if you're drinking it, so that's where ayahuasca is.
Speaker 5: When you're hearing about these seven eight you know, ten
Speaker 5: hour sessions where you're purging yourself and shitting yourself. That's
Speaker 5: where there's a lot of these retreats down in South America.
Speaker 5: Uh Ayahuasca is specifically two ingredients. It's the the ayahuasca
Speaker 5: root and then a shatroun a leaf I believe is
Speaker 5: the plant that they use for the d MT in
Speaker 5: that and it's it's the d MT plant and then
Speaker 5: the maoi plant which allows the body to to not
Speaker 5: break it down as fast. The crystals are made with
Speaker 5: a simple extraction process and that's where it's basically comes
Speaker 5: into like a powder form and if it heats up,
Speaker 5: it turns into kind of like a wax the and
Speaker 5: that's typically what that's what I smoke. Just to answer
Speaker 5: your other questions, though, the five meo, that's a it's
Speaker 5: a different molecule. It's similar, but that's where like the
Speaker 5: Bufo toad when you hit people with the toad venom
Speaker 5: so that's a five meo. They also make a synthetic
Speaker 5: fivemeo and that I have not done. That's on my
Speaker 5: list of things I want to explore. My understanding is
Speaker 5: that's even potentially like a step higher of just a
Speaker 5: complete disconnect and kind of like you see even behind
Speaker 5: the scenes. Actually, you mentioned Danny Gola. He had a
Speaker 5: good interview with Zoltan authority from Five Fingers to Death Punch.
Speaker 5: He goes over his five MEO experiences and I think
Speaker 5: he did a really good job of differentiating the two.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's crazy, dude.
Speaker 3: And I'm I'm only just curious about what the difference
Speaker 3: is between them all because they all seem to be
Speaker 3: kind of taken from other places.
Speaker 4: Like you mentioned the buffo toad.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's the tree bark of the moment hostilis, which
Speaker 3: is actually a native tree to Texas, which is pretty
Speaker 3: bad ass.
Speaker 5: It's everywhere, the Acacia trees are everywhere. So my understanding
Speaker 5: is d mts and in all mammals, it's once again
Speaker 5: indogynous to us. Uh, it's in you know, thousands of plants,
Speaker 5: and it's in high enough concentrations where you know, there's
Speaker 5: several websites and you know that's where obviously when I've
Speaker 5: made my recipes, where I got it from, where they
Speaker 5: sell all of those plants and and a lot of
Speaker 5: them are shipped legally to the US. But as far
Speaker 5: as the crystal, so once you extract the crystal, uh,
Speaker 5: there's typically two ways of smoking it. You can put
Speaker 5: it in a regular like marijuana pipe, and you put
Speaker 5: a little bit of weed or tobacco underneath it so
Speaker 5: it doesn't just get sucked through, and you know, you
Speaker 5: smoke it like keif or like you know, dab crystals
Speaker 5: or something like that. Well, they make rigs specifically for
Speaker 5: for that purpose. You know that they kind of look
Speaker 5: a little I don't say crack pipe ish, but I
Speaker 5: mean they are. It's it's a crystal you know, you pipe.
Speaker 5: But my preferred method is, if I'm really trying to
Speaker 5: blast off and get really really deep, I'll take just
Speaker 5: a regular weed pipe. I'll put just a tiny amount
Speaker 5: of weed in the bottom to block the hole, and
Speaker 5: then I'll put more than I can more than I
Speaker 5: can consume, you know. So, and in my book, I
Speaker 5: typically say, you know, three or four peppercorns. As far
Speaker 5: as size, like, I never weigh anything. I typically just
Speaker 5: do it visually, but I'll typically put a little bit
Speaker 5: more than that, and then you know, you can kind
Speaker 5: of keep reusing that weed screen. So to speak, because
Speaker 5: it just absorbs, absorbs all of that that crystal when
Speaker 5: it turns to wax. But if you can take, in
Speaker 5: my opinion, that first hit is what really really sets
Speaker 5: it off. So if you take a deep, long, powerful
Speaker 5: hit and really fucking roast that crystal that first time,
Speaker 5: you're really gonna blast off, and it's difficult to take
Speaker 5: the second, third and if you can fourth hit, fifth hit,
Speaker 5: But that's really where you push the boundaries of blast
Speaker 5: full full, blast off.
Speaker 7: But you know, as reality just going away, right, do
Speaker 7: you ever get nervous when you're about to like if
Speaker 7: you still get, you still.
Speaker 5: Get every time with But that's why it takes ten, fifteen,
Speaker 5: twenty minutes of sitting there breathing, prayer and meditate getting right.
Speaker 5: But then the other way of doing it is kind
Speaker 5: of microdosing it. And you know, even a small half
Speaker 5: half a single hit is still gonna have a pretty
Speaker 5: good effect on your physiology. But you know, I don't
Speaker 5: know how much we got into this last time about
Speaker 5: using it in you know, a sexual or intimate setting
Speaker 5: where my girlfriend and I use it quite often, where
Speaker 5: that's where the d MT pen can come in really
Speaker 5: really good. So you can like the the five ten
Speaker 5: carts that thhc you know, vape corts come in Basically
Speaker 5: once you use them up, you can take the top off,
Speaker 5: you put the DMT crystals in there, and if you
Speaker 5: eat it with like a hair dryer, basically turns to
Speaker 5: an oil and you can vape it. Just just like
Speaker 5: you're doing.
Speaker 3: That, dude, I don't know how, just out of curiosity,
Speaker 3: like and not to get too up in your business
Speaker 3: and personal here, but every time I've done mushrooms.
Speaker 4: This is gonna be a little graphic.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry for the ladies out there, but every time
Speaker 3: I am tripping, there is no getting me hard dude, Like,
Speaker 3: that's just not happening, Like, I don't know how how
Speaker 3: are you getting there?
Speaker 6: First of all, you've done it hundreds of times a
Speaker 6: couple of.
Speaker 5: A couple of things shrooms. Actually I use shrooms for
Speaker 5: like hod call like tantric sex, like three four five
Speaker 5: hour Like I listened to like a three and a
Speaker 5: half hour playlist before I me and my girlfriend are like,
Speaker 5: what the fuck just happened? Where did that go? So
Speaker 5: I think maybe into what what you're just saying, it's
Speaker 5: it's nearly impossible to get hot or to get aroused,
Speaker 5: to get you know, in that state. If you can
Speaker 5: get there, it's almost impossible not to. So it's it's
Speaker 5: all in your head, it's all in your body. And
Speaker 5: once you can make that switch and kind of click,
Speaker 5: and obviously, like anything, it takes practice, but yeah, that's
Speaker 5: shrooms can get you into that place where then once again,
Speaker 5: not to be too graphic, but I mean viiagra on
Speaker 5: steroids on shrooms for.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 5: But to answer your question about the d M, t uh.
Speaker 5: The first time I tried it was kind of embarrassing.
Speaker 5: So my my actual plan was I wanted to try
Speaker 5: to time climax of orgasm with taking a blast and
Speaker 5: a hit. And I was going to try to, like
Speaker 5: write when I'm talking about to put to blow my load,
Speaker 5: to take a hit and be like see if I
Speaker 5: can have these crazy That didn't happen.
Speaker 6: He's a scientist man, all right.
Speaker 5: It was data collection, but that yeah, so as soon
Speaker 5: as I took a hit. And I want to preface
Speaker 5: this with the woman I'm with and I'm still with,
Speaker 5: and her name is Alicia. She's the one that wrote
Speaker 5: actually the chapters in my book. We've we've explored a
Speaker 5: lot of intimate settings together. We had a lot of
Speaker 5: conversations prior to this, you know, so we were really
Speaker 5: comfortable with one another, and you know, our ability to
Speaker 5: kind of really trust one another is paramount to all
Speaker 5: this happening. But that so we're in the mix of it.
Speaker 5: I had the pen there, everything's ready to go, and
Speaker 5: as soon as I took that hit, I've completely lost
Speaker 5: my erection. All the blood went from below my waist
Speaker 5: up to my head. I started completely just going into
Speaker 5: a deep, deep trip. And you know, in that particular case,
Speaker 5: she knew what to do, which is just hold me,
Speaker 5: come to me, comfort me, hold my space. But the
Speaker 5: good thing again about DMT is it only last five
Speaker 5: six minutes. So as I'm coming out, we were both
Speaker 5: kind of like, all right, what the fuck? Like, all right,
Speaker 5: we're gonna kind of plan that one a little bit
Speaker 5: a little bit better because that's not going to fucking happen.
Speaker 5: But so then we took it to all right, let's
Speaker 5: try to take smaller hits, and you know, have one person.
Speaker 5: So again not to get into all the details, but say,
Speaker 5: you know, she would smoke and I would just service her,
Speaker 5: so to speak. So that way you know, I'm all arouse,
Speaker 5: I'm into it. Everything's good. And then we would switch
Speaker 5: off and then so that way, we kind of did
Speaker 5: it slow and we weren't trying to maximize it in
Speaker 5: ten minutes, and we were really trying to make it last.
Speaker 5: And you know, so after doing a single hit a
Speaker 5: couple of times, now you want to push it a
Speaker 5: little bit further. That pen is great again if if
Speaker 5: you like sixty nine ing, I mean, honestly, to take
Speaker 5: a eight pen d MT in sixty nine is probably
Speaker 5: one of the best ways to spend a weekend. Not
Speaker 5: what's not to be too graphic, but if you're into
Speaker 5: that shit and you're into connecting with your partner and me,
Speaker 5: and you're inter exploring how your body really it gets
Speaker 5: to feel all of its its senses in a really
Speaker 5: profound way.
Speaker 4: No, that makes a lot of sense, dude, And I actually, uh,
Speaker 4: have you.
Speaker 5: Ever miles over there laughing his ass off, but just
Speaker 5: just and I may have asked you this before, but
Speaker 5: have you tried four ACO d mt four a c
Speaker 5: O DMT.
Speaker 3: So I've done that like plenty of times, and I'm
Speaker 3: super comfortable with it. I get I still get like
Speaker 3: a little rambunctious and excited every time it's about to
Speaker 3: go down because I know I'm about to enter into
Speaker 3: a fucking reality that is very different. But whenever I
Speaker 3: get a few times actually, especially like if I'm alone
Speaker 3: or you know, just kind of you know, I don't
Speaker 3: have to worry about anything else or kids or any
Speaker 3: of that other shit, which I would never do this
Speaker 3: if I have my kids, because fuck that. But there's
Speaker 3: been times where, dude, I the only way I can
Speaker 3: describe it is that I feel like I'm getting fillatio
Speaker 3: across every single square inch of my body. And it's
Speaker 3: because it's not just like a one spot thing, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Like it literally feels like something
Speaker 3: is holding you and caressing you and loving you in
Speaker 3: every single possible way. Maybe it's just that dimension. I
Speaker 3: don't know what it is, but it's it's like, dude,
Speaker 3: it's all encompassing, like love in every way. That's basically
Speaker 3: what I'm trying to say, Like, imagine being loved exactly
Speaker 3: how you want to be loved, if you could pick
Speaker 3: one moment for the rest of your life and live
Speaker 3: in that, That's what it feels like to me anyway.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and more than just the tactile sensation as well,
Speaker 5: so the heightened sense of smell, of taste, of sight,
Speaker 5: of you know, you really, all of those things get
Speaker 5: amplified and accentuated. And then once again the new senses
Speaker 5: come in, so you know, try having the most intimate
Speaker 5: of situations and then you've you're tacking on all these
Speaker 5: other ways of mending and you know, forming with one another.
Speaker 5: It really is, it's it's powerful. And then so then
Speaker 5: what not to sound too county, but like the snuggles afterwards,
Speaker 5: when you're integrating what the fuck you just saw, that's
Speaker 5: really where the work, the deep relationship work can come in.
Speaker 5: And that's where you know, incorporating the feminine aspects the
Speaker 5: masculine really being able to understand. I mean, at that point,
Speaker 5: you're so raw and exposed. There's nothing that you haven't shared,
Speaker 5: and it's it's it's really helpful to for me anyway
Speaker 5: with my own personal therapy and exploration of myself. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm certainly not fixed and enlightened. I'm still in the
Speaker 5: midst of my my transformation and journey and all that shit, and.
Speaker 6: It's never end the journey. I think I feel like.
Speaker 5: That buddy be there for you like that.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, Yeah, that's that is amazing. I'm so happy
Speaker 3: you have that person that you can just fall all
Speaker 3: the way into.
Speaker 4: That is that's special.
Speaker 3: Not a lot of people have that, even married people
Speaker 3: who've been together for twenty years don't have that, you know,
Speaker 3: and uh so, yeah, it's it's a special thing.
Speaker 4: It sounds like.
Speaker 5: Before you just kind of glass over that point that
Speaker 5: that that's one of the real beyond therapeutic, where in
Speaker 5: my case it was mental health or suicidal adiation or depression.
Speaker 5: I think there's a lot to be said about a
Speaker 5: couple's therapy or you know, the more you can understand
Speaker 5: yourself and know yourself and then love yourself, that that
Speaker 5: can then extend to your meat. And I know, in
Speaker 5: my personal situation, I had three long term relationships and
Speaker 5: horribly uh and that was because that when I was
Speaker 5: still you know, a drunk, narcissistic, bligering asshole like all
Speaker 5: the crap that I was before. Where now the relationships
Speaker 5: not only with my girlfriend but every person that I
Speaker 5: interact with, because I extend that same love and acceptance
Speaker 5: and worthiness that I know I have, I extend that
Speaker 5: to everybody else as well, even if they're an asshole.
Speaker 5: I kind of almost give them a pass and just
Speaker 5: be like whatever, they're having a bad day or maybe whatever,
Speaker 5: they're just a prick, but that's their role in life.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it really helps dealing with relationships. Like you're
Speaker 5: you know, you you spend three or four hours having
Speaker 5: a shroom sex tantric sex session with your partner and
Speaker 5: you've just explored the deepest aspects of your consciousness. You're
Speaker 5: not going to wake up and bitch because the milk
Speaker 5: wasn't in the right spot in the fridge and how
Speaker 5: you left your shoes in the doorway, Like you're going
Speaker 5: to be you know, yeah, like you're really going to
Speaker 5: be thinking about whatever, what's your role in eternity and
Speaker 5: what's the next step of your soul?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 7: I feel like that's a I feel like that's a
Speaker 7: superpower man. You know, if you can look at people,
Speaker 7: even if someone's being an asshole and still have that
Speaker 7: empathy or that that love you know, to express, I
Speaker 7: feel like that's just a superpower man.
Speaker 6: So you're talking about the senses that you can.
Speaker 5: You said that you have not an issue, but that
Speaker 5: you were kind of seeing almost like a lack of synchronicities.
Speaker 5: And you mentioned that because maybe at work you just
Speaker 5: have so much noise and chay, yeah, just a lot
Speaker 5: of bad energy. And yeah, you know, I felt it
Speaker 5: in your voice when you were saying that, and it's like,
Speaker 5: I feel for you because you're really going to have
Speaker 5: a protective shell because man, those assholes really will throw
Speaker 5: that plaque and glob it onto where not only you're
Speaker 5: not being able to really shine your beauty and light
Speaker 5: and your uniqueness and creativity, but you're not being able
Speaker 5: to see the synchronicities and take it in from other people.
Speaker 5: So yeah, the assholes around you really have to be
Speaker 5: held at check.
Speaker 7: Yeah, dude, And I feel like it just drains you,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean, you just feel so exhausted,
Speaker 7: and I feel like that that can't be underestimated, you know,
Speaker 7: I feel like, you know, you can say that, but no,
Speaker 7: I feel like it's a real thing. Man, when you're
Speaker 7: around people that are just miserable all the time, and
Speaker 7: you know, it literally will affect your entire day or
Speaker 7: even weak, you know, because you come home and you're
Speaker 7: just you're just tired.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 7: You don't even have time to do something extra for yourself,
Speaker 7: for your family. It's like there's a lot to that man,
Speaker 7: and well, you know, yeah so and.
Speaker 5: This is a practical thing. I mean, you look like you're,
Speaker 5: you know, a physically capable man. So I'm sure like
Speaker 5: people are not just going to go around and stop
Speaker 5: pushing you around be that like. And I work landscaping
Speaker 5: with a bunch of like burly guys, and I'm always
Speaker 5: that guy that singing, dancing laugh and I'm always busting
Speaker 5: jokes like if somebody's a miserable prick, I will be
Speaker 5: on them all day about why they're a miserable prick.
Speaker 5: And you know, not to really pull a scab and
Speaker 5: you know, try to make the childhood traumas come out,
Speaker 5: but to really not stand for it, like you know,
Speaker 5: to demand a kind of resident bubble around you of
Speaker 5: only an energy that's acceptable to you. And if somebody
Speaker 5: comes into you like I'm and no, not to just
Speaker 5: make light of it, but it's like smelling a fucking fart,
Speaker 5: like if somebody comes in with bad energy, or it's like, man,
Speaker 5: what do you get out of here? Like you really
Speaker 5: there's no tolerance for it, and I almost find it enjoyable.
Speaker 5: To call out the asshole, to call out the dick,
Speaker 5: or to call out and it maybe even be like
Speaker 5: the other day, my friend's eighty two year old grandmother.
Speaker 5: I absolutely love her, but she gives shit to all
Speaker 5: of her family members. And she sat there and she
Speaker 5: was at the house for like three minutes, and she's
Speaker 5: yelling at him to throw a burger on the grill
Speaker 5: because she's hungry. And I'm like, you know, everybody else
Speaker 5: is walking on eggshells around her. And I went up
Speaker 5: to her, kissed her on the forehead, told her I
Speaker 5: loved her, and I said, you know why you are already
Speaker 5: yelling at people. I said, you've been here for three minutes.
Speaker 5: You're already being a jerk. And it's like everybody's like, oh,
Speaker 5: you can't talk. It's like, no, yeah, you can, like
Speaker 5: get into the old lady. But as you give her
Speaker 5: a hug, glover and then tell her I'll get you
Speaker 5: something to eat before the burger, you know, So it's
Speaker 5: telling her to go pound sand, but don't come around
Speaker 5: here to a family event where everybody's laughing joking, what
Speaker 5: because grandma's here?
Speaker 4: We got all right?
Speaker 7: Yeah, the last thing you want to do is shrink
Speaker 7: down and be what you need to be for that environment,
Speaker 7: you know, instead, you know, be be exactly you for
Speaker 7: that environment.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and in any case, you know, if you see
Speaker 5: a tough guy being an asshole, or if you see
Speaker 5: a woman treating a guy like shit. I mean, it
Speaker 5: works works both ways. Like I don't know you have
Speaker 5: to say that I'm walking around as some like in
Speaker 5: force or some like moral judge. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 5: if somebody's really being a dick or not, and you
Speaker 5: know somebody and at the same token, really you know,
Speaker 5: be forthright with the compliments, compliment that the people that
Speaker 5: are spreading positive aspects of it.
Speaker 6: But yeah, dude, for sure, man.
Speaker 5: I thought about you when I heard you say that.
Speaker 7: I thought I appreciate that, man, I really appreciate that. Yeah, because,
Speaker 7: like I said, it was a real thing. Man, I
Speaker 7: was really going through it. So I feel like it's
Speaker 7: it's getting a little bit better, you know, like I'm
Speaker 7: not a very confrontational person, like whatsoever. And so, but
Speaker 7: then there's also those urges to be like, hey, man,
Speaker 7: you know, like what did you do that for? Like
Speaker 7: some people are just so unaware of like their their surroundings.
Speaker 7: You know, and they just like bump into you, and
Speaker 7: it's like, dude, you know, I want to say something,
Speaker 7: but then I'm, like I said, I'm not very confrontational,
Speaker 7: and so I just kind of let it go.
Speaker 6: And then that kind of eats at me.
Speaker 7: Because, like I said, I'm shrinking down and not really
Speaker 7: standing up for myself, you know. And so i'lite at you.
Speaker 7: But I'm working on it, you know. So I appreciate
Speaker 7: you taking the time for that.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Fuck the assholes's deliberating to not care.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, it's the best feeling ever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But look, I do kind of want to get
Speaker 3: into some of your experiences, bro, especially since it's been
Speaker 3: a little while since we've had you on. I'm sure
Speaker 3: you have gone to that realm plenty of times. I mean,
Speaker 3: do you feel like you're learning something new every time
Speaker 3: or do you ever are you learning something new every
Speaker 3: time or do you ever go back to a place
Speaker 3: that you've been to before while on DMT or both both.
Speaker 5: I feel like each time is really a unique profile experience,
Speaker 5: and you know, not every time is profound interactions with entities,
Speaker 5: Not every time is a DNA download, Not every time
Speaker 5: is interaction with aliens and shit like that, but even
Speaker 5: the more mundane where you're you're sitting there and kind
Speaker 5: of enjoying the show. Like I would say, the more
Speaker 5: mundane ones where you're not really having that breakthrough experiences,
Speaker 5: you know, like you're in a three d imax theater
Speaker 5: with all of the bells and whistles and you're just
Speaker 5: enjoying this vibratory home and symphony of all the you know,
Speaker 5: the beautiful sights and sounds and spinning mondolism. You know
Speaker 5: that that's enjoyable now. I would also want to preface it.
Speaker 5: Most times I'm doing this, it's in bed at night,
Speaker 5: typically before bed, and normally with with my girlfriend holding
Speaker 5: space with me there. So it's it's in a very
Speaker 5: comfortable setting. It's not like I'm outdoors. I don't have
Speaker 5: to worry about people coming in. I'm about It's comfortable
Speaker 5: and relaxed as it can be. And that's after a
Speaker 5: you know, like I said, a fifteen minute you know,
Speaker 5: session of a prayer of gratitude. So where was I
Speaker 5: going with that?
Speaker 3: Well, just that you know, it's not always aliens, it's
Speaker 3: not always the same thing, but sometimes.
Speaker 5: So sometimes it is just comfortable, like all right, I'm
Speaker 5: just gonna lay my head down on the pillow, and really,
Speaker 5: sometimes you want to open your eyes, sometimes you want
Speaker 5: to shut them. Sometimes you want to cup your ears,
Speaker 5: sometimes you want to have music in the background. But
Speaker 5: even the more mundane ones are, in my opinion, a
Speaker 5: good practice in knowing what your body is capable of,
Speaker 5: because you're still experiencing the elevated state and just more
Speaker 5: data points than your normal walking state. The ones that
Speaker 5: you really blast through and enter that space where kind
Speaker 5: of the unexplained happenings and interactions happen. That that's maybe,
Speaker 5: I mean, it's less than half, you know, maybe one
Speaker 5: or two out of ten, you're you're really getting that
Speaker 5: like shit, where it's the insectoid interactions or the alien
Speaker 5: interactions or but yeah, I guess there's a couple that
Speaker 5: I'd like to point out. But as we already talked
Speaker 5: about Danny Gola in the laser experiment, and I did
Speaker 5: do a video about that and I kind of shared
Speaker 5: my experience. But if I could, if you're interested in it,
Speaker 5: because I think there's a couple, there's two take homes.
Speaker 5: I really want to take a state about that. First
Speaker 5: is the first time that I went to do it,
Speaker 5: so I had spoken with him, he sent me a laser.
Speaker 5: You know, I was all excited. I had everything set up,
Speaker 5: and I don't want to say that I was was
Speaker 5: cocky or arrogant, but I just mentioned about this process
Speaker 5: that I normally have where it's normally about meditation and
Speaker 5: a reflection, intimacy like all of these things. But this
Speaker 5: was kind of the first time where it was this
Speaker 5: kind of external third outside, like all right, I want
Speaker 5: to look at this laser and I'm trying to whatever,
Speaker 5: get get data or look at something. And so I
Speaker 5: had everything set up, I had the I had I
Speaker 5: had it set u where I could kind of lay
Speaker 5: on the ground if I wanted to kind of like
Speaker 5: collapse and just kind of be with the d MT.
Speaker 5: And I took way too big of a hit that
Speaker 5: that first hit, and I just instantly like had a
Speaker 5: semi breakthrough blast off, and it was like, yeah, no
Speaker 5: fucking way, I'm not propping myself up, I'm not staring
Speaker 5: at a wall. I'm certainly not trying to not get
Speaker 5: a laser in my eye. And I just I wrote
Speaker 5: it out, I laid down, and I enjoyed my session
Speaker 5: and I kind of the point of that was first
Speaker 5: and foremost, you really need to respect the power of
Speaker 5: that molecule. It's not something really nearly just go into.
Speaker 5: I would say, you know, I wouldn't just be smoking
Speaker 5: DMT just to try to see this laser code. I
Speaker 5: would I would say, probably something that should be left
Speaker 5: for maybe people that have explored it at least a
Speaker 5: few times before looking at it. So that was the
Speaker 5: first kind of thing is really prepare for the DMT experience.
Speaker 5: Priority over if you can see a laser or code,
Speaker 5: or if you have a glass of water to shride
Speaker 5: the laser and whatnot. You know, really make sure you
Speaker 5: you're taking care of yourself first. That being said again,
Speaker 5: because it lasts seven eight minutes. After I kind of recouped,
Speaker 5: I was like, all right, let's get into this. And
Speaker 5: there was so normal, normal DMT state. There's all this
Speaker 5: dynamic movement that there's nothing that stays still and this
Speaker 5: really kind of weird physics happens where everything's intertwining and
Speaker 5: going in and out, and so that that's all happening,
Speaker 5: and there is that normal chaotic vision. And then if
Speaker 5: anybody just looks at a laser normal with without any DMT,
Speaker 5: you'll see little swirly kind of movements too, and some
Speaker 5: of it's maybe reflecting off of dust. Some of it
Speaker 5: is like just that natural movement. And yeah, there's that
Speaker 5: that that speckle, and then there's also like swirls and
Speaker 5: there are people that that when they talk about the
Speaker 5: laser experiment and he's he points it out too, that
Speaker 5: that is an aspect you do see that and those
Speaker 5: those are two dynamic aspects of smoking DMT and looking
Speaker 5: at a laser that is not the code, And to
Speaker 5: find the code, it's like you have to kind of
Speaker 5: peel through layers. It really is just really getting to that.
Speaker 5: It's almost the best way to describe it is if
Speaker 5: you're trying to focus in on a microscope, So if
Speaker 5: you have something under a slide and you're whatever looking
Speaker 5: at an onion peel in order to get through all
Speaker 5: the layers, you know, it really depends on how far
Speaker 5: you are. So if you're trying to find this specific
Speaker 5: layer of that, you really need to refine that area
Speaker 5: once you And the first time I did it, I
Speaker 5: saw it four times and I smoke. I did four
Speaker 5: sessions that time, and each time I saw the laser
Speaker 5: after really excuse me, the code, after really looking for it,
Speaker 5: and within all the crazy chaotic swirling where there's no
Speaker 5: boundaries and everything's kind of doing its own thing, there
Speaker 5: was these streaming lines and columns of very distinct its
Speaker 5: own It wasn't part of the fluid dynamic.
Speaker 6: Of either layer of everything else dynamic.
Speaker 5: It was and it was very very straight up and
Speaker 5: down columns that really were like the raining matrix and
Speaker 5: that movie matrix, like the raining code that they start
Speaker 5: the movie off with. But what I found was also
Speaker 5: unique was as those columns were kind of scaling down,
Speaker 5: the symbols as they matched up horizontally. You know, if
Speaker 5: you had one angle like this and then another angle
Speaker 5: like this, it would kind of connect and kind of
Speaker 5: make a line, and then if the other angle had
Speaker 5: like a C and then nailone connected. So as these
Speaker 5: columns were going, it also had these not parallel perpendicular
Speaker 5: codes that were like skimming through it. And it was
Speaker 5: a really distinct, separate and ordered set of information that
Speaker 5: I've never seen that type of order where that it
Speaker 5: was really, like I said, just ninety degree angles upright
Speaker 5: columns and something cascading down and then so that first
Speaker 5: time I did it, Like I said, I saw it
Speaker 5: all four times. The next time I went to go
Speaker 5: do it, which was probably like a week and a
Speaker 5: half after, excuse me, I couldn't see it. And I
Speaker 5: tried for a few minutes. I couldn't find it. Then
Speaker 5: my eyes kind of got tired and I looked again
Speaker 5: and I couldn't see it. And you know, he uses
Speaker 5: the analogy of looking at like the old magic eye books,
Speaker 5: where you kind of have to focus in the image
Speaker 5: and once it pops, it pops, and it's very clear
Speaker 5: if it pops or not. But I think I had
Speaker 5: a long day. My eyes were fatigued. And again I
Speaker 5: didn't push it. It wasn't like, well, bucket, I got
Speaker 5: to see the laser. I'm doing it tonight. So I
Speaker 5: can see how some people don't see it, or that
Speaker 5: it takes a little bit of practice. But for somebody
Speaker 5: that has seen a lot of visuals and a lot
Speaker 5: of weirds should go through my brain. That was a
Speaker 5: It stood out as something unique and it had its
Speaker 5: own structure.
Speaker 7: Did it seem like it had its own intelligence?
Speaker 6: You think? Would you say? No? No, it was just
Speaker 6: so I kind of okay, So like the entities.
Speaker 5: And whether however you wanted the justice the machine elves.
Speaker 5: You know, all of those things are I would say
Speaker 5: sentient beings and they are like that there's a form
Speaker 5: to him, and there there's there's an intelligence to him. Uh.
Speaker 5: This seemed the exact opposite. This seemed like looking at
Speaker 5: a computer Cole just running that there was it was
Speaker 5: mechanical technical, So.
Speaker 4: What do you make of that?
Speaker 6: Then?
Speaker 4: Like what if?
Speaker 5: Well that that's what Danny says, It's like, what the
Speaker 5: fuck does that mean? What?
Speaker 6: It's everybody he's.
Speaker 5: You know, and in his defense, and I I appreciate
Speaker 5: how he words it. He's trying to sell a documentary
Speaker 5: and trying to sensatialize this really unique finding, and he's
Speaker 5: saying it's kind of the code reality. And then it's
Speaker 5: some sort of it states that this that we're in
Speaker 5: a matrix so to speak. Now, you know that strong,
Speaker 5: colorful language, but what else are you going to use
Speaker 5: to describe this? You know, you can word it in
Speaker 5: other ways, but the d MT space alone is really
Speaker 5: unique and it makes you question our human footing so
Speaker 5: to speak. This this kind of makes it look like
Speaker 5: like it just adds one of those like fuck really
Speaker 5: like I've gotta I better try to now find a
Speaker 5: compartment to put this little asterisk in about with all
Speaker 5: this crazy chaos and all this dynamic movement, that there's
Speaker 5: some sort of divine order or like ye, and it's
Speaker 5: not binary because there was more than two symbols. And
Speaker 5: I want to stress to a lot of people have asked,
Speaker 5: you know, we'll write them out, or if somebody could
Speaker 5: have a photographic memory, and what are they? Are they
Speaker 5: like Japanese single symbols? Are they like hieroglyphics? I mean
Speaker 5: I could try to draw them out, I don't really
Speaker 5: not to, And I kind of agree with him that
Speaker 5: it not to say it doesn't matter. I think that's
Speaker 5: an important data point and it'd be nice to have
Speaker 5: a bunch of people kind of draw those out. But
Speaker 5: I don't think there's much you could really do with them.
Speaker 5: I don't you know, there isn't like a so called
Speaker 5: Rosetta stone or whatever that you were gonna match up with.
Speaker 3: Chad GBT has been doing a really good job at
Speaker 3: decoding certain language the the Boga sphere.
Speaker 4: That have you seen that.
Speaker 3: It's where it's like the dude, it's crazy, It's like
Speaker 3: this giant like not giant, but it's like a ball
Speaker 3: that's like a I don't know, maybe twice the size
Speaker 3: of a bowling ball that allegedly was floating in the
Speaker 3: sky like some kind of orb or some kind of
Speaker 3: I don't even know what you would call it. But
Speaker 3: it was like this giant metal ball and on the
Speaker 3: outside of it it had like all these inscriptions and
Speaker 3: some kind of code. It looked like it almost looked
Speaker 3: like mandola, like some kind of you know what. It
Speaker 3: really looked like. It looked like what you would see
Speaker 3: in a crop circle. Let me let me try and
Speaker 3: pull it up because it is. It is wild.
Speaker 5: My girlfriend pulled up the Easter Island. They had a
Speaker 5: language and I can send you actually, I can send
Speaker 5: it to your text if you want. But they had
Speaker 5: a board and it's like a not cool. I'm thinking
Speaker 5: Kuka bora but it starts with a K. But it's
Speaker 5: like this wooden plank that has all these weirds simply yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, some people were questioning the validity of it,
Speaker 3: but other people have said, like they got it on
Speaker 3: camera as it was flying throughout the sky, and then
Speaker 3: the story goes that it hit a power line and
Speaker 3: that caused it to go down, and so people went
Speaker 3: to go retrieve it, and whenever they went to go
Speaker 3: retrieve it, it was really hot. And then whenever they started
Speaker 3: to take it back, it's it has it has a
Speaker 3: couple of weird properties. So they said that whenever they
Speaker 3: went to go retrieve it, that it was really hot,
Speaker 3: but it also weighed, like, I can't remember the exact amount,
Speaker 3: they said that it was weighing like ten pounds, like
Speaker 3: it felt like it weighed about ten pounds. And then
Speaker 3: whenever they brought it back to the lab it like
Speaker 3: cooled off, like it went from hot to not just
Speaker 3: like lukewarm or whatever, like it got cold and it
Speaker 3: started weighing more. So it went from ten pounds to like, yeah,
Speaker 3: like went from ten pounds to like forty pounds, and
Speaker 3: just in the transition to the laboratory. And so whenever
Speaker 3: they were doing some scans on it, what they found
Speaker 3: was is that it's almost like one of those like
Speaker 3: those Russian dolls where it's a bunch of littleer, smaller
Speaker 3: balls on the inside. And but the weird thing is
Speaker 3: is that there's no weld marks, there's no cut marks
Speaker 3: or anything like that. That how would you get that
Speaker 3: in there? And so what they're saying is that we
Speaker 3: don't even have the technology to be able to do
Speaker 3: that anyway.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if that's true or not.
Speaker 3: I don't know what the fucking technology we have nowadays,
Speaker 3: but that's just the story behind it. And anyway, so
Speaker 3: somebody put this, if you look right here, there's like
Speaker 3: this this weird kind of symbols all the way around
Speaker 3: right here. And so they put that into chat GBT
Speaker 3: and had it decipher and there was like a message
Speaker 3: talking about like how humanity needs to raise its consciousness
Speaker 3: and like like wild shit, Like dude, I'm telling you
Speaker 3: it is.
Speaker 8: It is.
Speaker 5: Those are relatively simple symbols, how you know, it's not
Speaker 5: complex like a Japanese symbol or like that. That's what
Speaker 5: was in the Kiss, cascading rows like similar where it
Speaker 5: was two or three or four angles and or characters
Speaker 5: at most, you know what I mean. It wasn't like
Speaker 5: really complex, which again, that that's what separates it where
Speaker 5: everything else is almost like infinitely complex. And you know,
Speaker 5: there is no just straight lines or codes or rows
Speaker 5: or columns. Everything is just so not that where That's
Speaker 5: why it was like, oh, I don't see it. I
Speaker 5: don't see it. I don't see it. And it was like,
Speaker 5: oh fuck, that's it, and it was it kind of
Speaker 5: caught me off. God.
Speaker 7: And these symbols are they are they changing or morphing
Speaker 7: into different ones or are they staying pretty consistent once
Speaker 7: you see it?
Speaker 5: What I they stay consistent, but but they're going through
Speaker 5: but they're cascading down, you know, so almost like if
Speaker 5: you picture like tech blocks, So like each one of
Speaker 5: those those Tetris blocks, like each pixel you know, has
Speaker 5: a symbol, and then the it falls down and falls
Speaker 5: down and the symbols kind of rain down on a
Speaker 5: replaced with the one above it.
Speaker 6: Wow, that's fascinating.
Speaker 5: And I saw different speeds in each column. So that's
Speaker 5: where the horizontal movement was weird, because as the columns
Speaker 5: were would kind of go, the horizontal movement would shoot
Speaker 5: out like I don't know, it was kind of like
Speaker 5: it looked almost like sideways lightning shooting out of the
Speaker 5: rows that were cascading because the symbols would.
Speaker 7: Line up and and and so they're on the same axis.
Speaker 7: Then as far as like a spatial wise yes, oh again.
Speaker 5: So even even that there is a definitive access and
Speaker 5: that dm T space is a weird concept because there
Speaker 5: doesn't it seems to be more than three dimensions and
Speaker 5: certainly more than just a two dimension access. But this
Speaker 5: is a two D plane that this you know, up
Speaker 5: down and.
Speaker 6: Left right right.
Speaker 4: Wow, Yeah, it is, dude.
Speaker 3: It's so strange whenever we're just talking about like weird
Speaker 3: code and stuff like that, Like I don't know what
Speaker 3: to make of that buga sphere. I don't know what
Speaker 3: to make about what you're seeing with the d MT
Speaker 3: lasers and everything. But and you know, we've we've heard
Speaker 3: plenty of people speculate about, you know, what kind of
Speaker 3: reality are we living in. A couple of weeks ago,
Speaker 3: we had on this this woman that came on the show.
Speaker 3: Her name is the Quirky Cosmo, and she, like to
Speaker 3: her soul, believes that we are part that we may
Speaker 3: be in the eye of some kind of cosmic giant.
Speaker 4: And she was going into like why she believes that, and.
Speaker 3: Just wild I don't know, Like, and so if that's
Speaker 3: the case, which I don't believe it is, but if
Speaker 3: let's just play around with that, that we are some
Speaker 3: kind of eyeball inside of some kind of cosmic giant
Speaker 3: or whatever, Like would the coding that you see be
Speaker 3: some like I don't know, like the is it like
Speaker 3: the like the nucleus walls that would be holding that
Speaker 3: that kind of code or something. I don't know, how
Speaker 3: weird you want to get here, but.
Speaker 5: Yeah, even like you're saying, and I don't know if
Speaker 5: it's Ken Wilbur or you know, there's there's a philosophy
Speaker 5: of kind of you know, like the mitochondria being absorbed
Speaker 5: into single cells and then like they have their own
Speaker 5: DNA and thinking about like cells being part of of
Speaker 5: our system and think about bacteria and things like that.
Speaker 5: So you know, there are potentially levels of consciousness that
Speaker 5: you could see maybe could I could see maybe way
Speaker 5: that colorful argument could could.
Speaker 3: Go, especially in the quantum realm, you know, like that
Speaker 3: ship's all around us to the tiniest minute layer and
Speaker 3: it seems to be its own little reality where physics
Speaker 3: don't even matter there. And so you know, I I like,
Speaker 3: you know, playing around with the idea. Yeah, I like
Speaker 3: playing around with the idea like what if we're the
Speaker 3: quantum realm to and even and even your kind of thing,
Speaker 3: you know, you know, you just never know that. I
Speaker 3: didn't know if like maybe you think you know that.
Speaker 5: And I don't think anybody can tell you know you're wrong,
Speaker 5: you know, like, I don't think anybody can can prove
Speaker 5: that that wrong. I think, if anything, only thing you
Speaker 5: can do is prove the limitations of the theories that
Speaker 5: they have now. So I think we need more exploration
Speaker 5: of these far out things. And I think even just
Speaker 5: and I don't act like I understand quantum physics, you know,
Speaker 5: to the to the depths, but I understand the concepts
Speaker 5: and things do move in that that way that aren't
Speaker 5: just based on space and time, and I've I've experienced
Speaker 5: it personally. How it's like, how the fuck could that happen?
Speaker 5: And whether it be simple synchronicities that happen, or whether
Speaker 5: it be you know, I mentioned in our last thing
Speaker 5: how I had an interaction with what I considered my
Speaker 5: future self, you know, so how the fuck does that happen?
Speaker 5: And so actually, you know that would be a good
Speaker 5: a good segue too, as that's of our last conversation
Speaker 5: that was the like, what's the one you know other
Speaker 5: than that first day where DMT, I say, you know,
Speaker 5: saved my life and I had my epiphany that kind
Speaker 5: of whatever. So that that is probably the most profound
Speaker 5: experience that I had. The other one after that was
Speaker 5: the one I mentioned on our last interview, which was
Speaker 5: when I you know, so you're you're having interactions with
Speaker 5: a lot of different archetypal entities. You're having some that adjusted,
Speaker 5: some of that are more kind of stern. But then
Speaker 5: I had one where it was a clear what I
Speaker 5: thought and interact with my future self, and it was
Speaker 5: a completely different vibe, completely different energy, and it was
Speaker 5: me kind of coming in to do a diagnostic check
Speaker 5: and to kind of calm myself and to let me know, like,
Speaker 5: this is you know, this is just part of the process.
Speaker 5: So that was one of those Wow, this is above
Speaker 5: and beyond normal weird DMT. This is really really weird
Speaker 5: DMT seeing yourself.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And it wasn't just like me older with with
Speaker 5: a longer beard, or me as as a you know,
Speaker 5: old whatever, fucking different person. It really was a familiarity,
Speaker 5: familiarity with my energy, my you know, my my being.
Speaker 5: It really it wasn't familiar. It wasn't like, oh, that's
Speaker 5: Uncle Johnny or that's my Pepe, or that's a long
Speaker 5: lost friend or that it really was Oh shit, like that,
Speaker 5: that's me coming in And uh.
Speaker 4: Do you think that people can confuse me? Do you
Speaker 4: think that people confuse that with God?
Speaker 5: I know, No, I don't know.
Speaker 4: No, interesting, not for me.
Speaker 5: But like I said, that was a really clear you know,
Speaker 5: my definition of God is an overatching energy. Whether it's
Speaker 5: more of a energy, vibration, consciousness, you know, I don't
Speaker 5: see it as like a single entity, whether that be
Speaker 5: Jesus or Shiva or Buddha or anything like that. I
Speaker 5: think those are aspects of that. But but then so
Speaker 5: this was I say about how my girlfriend's typically there
Speaker 5: I mentioned, and also you know, full disclosure that I'm
Speaker 5: in this transformative part of my life right where I
Speaker 5: had all this money in the past, where last time
Speaker 5: I spoke with you, I was still living in my
Speaker 5: beautiful parents' basement, which this is where I'm still at.
Speaker 5: They took off for a vacation. My girlfriend wasn't with me.
Speaker 5: It was a full moon, and I was My plan
Speaker 5: was I'm gonna take the opportunity to push it, see
Speaker 5: where I can go and really have a deep session
Speaker 5: by myself and not like a ballsy like I need
Speaker 5: my girlfriend that to hold my hand, but she is
Speaker 5: typically they had a hold space.
Speaker 7: For me, Like I said, space for you. It makes sense, yeah.
Speaker 5: Because it's not like she's sitting there telling me what
Speaker 5: to do or telling me to breathe or adjusting my
Speaker 5: body in any way. It's more just it's it really
Speaker 5: is like an anchor. It's like you really have that
Speaker 5: rope that's tied to your waist that you know there
Speaker 5: is like even sometimes she will kind of actually say
Speaker 5: in a soft voice like breathe, you know, just because
Speaker 5: it's a fuck I breathed in however long.
Speaker 6: Oh shit, that's terrifying.
Speaker 5: But in this particular case, once again, I'm very comfortable
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna I'm gonna explore some some deeper realms. Well,
Speaker 5: this was and it still stands out as the kind
Speaker 5: of like what the fuck happened? So the normal interactions
Speaker 5: with entities or with these other other beings are you
Speaker 5: go into this this funky DMP space and there's these
Speaker 5: again santient beings that are interacting with you, whether it
Speaker 5: be conversing telepathically, whether it be showing you things. Well,
Speaker 5: this was as soon as I took that first hit
Speaker 5: there was no sights and sounds, there was no vibratory hume.
Speaker 5: I was not in my room. I was not in
Speaker 5: my bed. I instantly felt like I was basically I
Speaker 5: don't want to say, like this is where I'm kind
Speaker 5: of asking too, like putting my data out there, like
Speaker 5: what the fuck? What is this? Like? I was abducted
Speaker 5: and taken out of my room and I was in
Speaker 5: this suspended space of like this blue gel, this blue
Speaker 5: area where I couldn't move, which was the first time
Speaker 5: I've I've so I've never been in a fight in
Speaker 5: my life. I've never been restricted. I've never been to
Speaker 5: the point where I couldn't I didn't have free will
Speaker 5: of my body. This was the first time where it,
Speaker 5: you know, it seems like it was a sleep paralysis
Speaker 5: type thing because I couldn't move, I couldn't do anything.
Speaker 5: I was in this blue space, and I had a
Speaker 5: really really clear distinct sensation of like a hot laser
Speaker 5: scan going up the bottom of my feet and went
Speaker 5: up my head and then out the bottom of my feet.
Speaker 5: And if you've seen commercials, there's like this new like
Speaker 5: rust removal laser where it'll take like an old hammer,
Speaker 5: old rut right brench or something, and you see it
Speaker 5: scan up the laser and scan back, and man, I
Speaker 5: fucking tell you it that it left my feet hot.
Speaker 5: It shook me to my fucking core because there was
Speaker 5: no like I said, there was none of the crazy
Speaker 5: iMac shit. There was no interaction. I didn't see any
Speaker 5: like grays or any aliens. I didn't see any beings
Speaker 5: at all. It was just instant blue space, can't move
Speaker 5: physically hot, going up my feet, traveling up my body
Speaker 5: to my head and then back out my feet. And
Speaker 5: I came out of that one. Uh really shook For
Speaker 5: like an hour or so afterwards, I was just I mean,
Speaker 5: I called my girlfriend, I called my friends, and I
Speaker 5: was just like I I don't I think I was
Speaker 5: not in my house or like something fucking happened. And
Speaker 5: it was way beyond just Oh, I had a really
Speaker 5: weird DMPT experience where I interacted with some weird shit.
Speaker 5: This was well, like I said. Was it just I
Speaker 5: smoked way too much? Was it a combination of too
Speaker 5: much in a sleep paralysis?
Speaker 7: Was it you looked at the laser, the laser one
Speaker 7: to look back at you kind of thing?
Speaker 6: Who knows? Man, you sit there and we're gonna laser you.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well that's why I think, And there is a
Speaker 5: lot of similarities between the alien abduction or even you know,
Speaker 5: someone like the cryptid sightings and stuff like that, because
Speaker 5: once your your brain, your body, your your human vessel
Speaker 5: is able to receive information at a different like I said,
Speaker 5: vibratory state of frequency, you know, you can really let
Speaker 5: in some some crazy shit. And I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 5: feel any pain, there was no negative sensation. I don't
Speaker 5: feel violated, there was no like sexual trauma if anything.
Speaker 5: Like the next day, I felt stronger, I felt enriched,
Speaker 5: like it really you know, I'm trying to frame it
Speaker 5: in a way like I was. My body was upgraded.
Speaker 5: And actually this this is a way of how I've
Speaker 5: been trying to word it to differentiate it where you
Speaker 5: know a lot of the profound insights or inputs that
Speaker 5: you get now. I mentioned how it's like a DNA
Speaker 5: download or or an upgrade, because it is almost like
Speaker 5: this instantaneous new information is now in my body. Well,
Speaker 5: if we're using that computer now, g like a you know,
Speaker 5: a software upgrade. That particular night felt that was a
Speaker 5: hardware upgrade that was like no we're we're taking out
Speaker 5: the fucking the new the board and we're putting in
Speaker 5: a new one or where we're adding in a new whatever.
Speaker 5: And there was a really like that was not a
Speaker 5: software upgrade, that was a something happened to my body.
Speaker 5: And that was the only time I've ever had that
Speaker 5: that type of experience or feeling or sensation.
Speaker 7: And the sensation you said that it wasn't painful, but
Speaker 7: could you describe the sensation like any kind of feeling
Speaker 7: at all or you just didn't really feel it, like.
Speaker 5: Did you feel like I've had and maybe like a
Speaker 5: tattoo feeling, but I've had as I'm getting older now,
Speaker 5: like some like skin spots on my head that I've
Speaker 5: had taken off with like a cosmetic laser. So I
Speaker 5: don't know if anybody ever had any like what zapped
Speaker 5: or hair zapped or anything like that, but it was
Speaker 5: that type of like instant heat, and it was a
Speaker 5: zapp where it wasn't necessarily painful, but it was the
Speaker 5: it was an instant flash, but it moved, it scanned,
Speaker 5: it moved up and out. I'm within seconds, so it
Speaker 5: wasn't it wasn't anything that I mean, before I could
Speaker 5: even sense that it was painful. It was done and
Speaker 5: out and right like wow, sitting there with my nose
Speaker 5: trip and snot being like what the fuck was that?
Speaker 5: And again to this day now, since that time, I've
Speaker 5: done it dozens dozens of time, I've pushed it really,
Speaker 5: really deep. I've had interactions with enities, I've had all
Speaker 5: sorts of weird shit since that day, but nothing even
Speaker 5: remotely close to that, just like complete loss of control.
Speaker 5: And so we talked about how it's your five senses
Speaker 5: hyped up times you know, a million and then all
Speaker 5: these extra senses. This was the exact opposite. It was
Speaker 5: the removal of my ability to have any sensation or movement,
Speaker 5: and I was just along for the ride.
Speaker 3: I was probably in your best interest though, right, like
Speaker 3: you probably if you had all of the the feelings
Speaker 3: and the sensations and everything. Maybe, I don't know, was
Speaker 3: it kind of like a numbing almost, Like is that
Speaker 3: the way that you would look at it, Like maybe
Speaker 3: they numbed your body so that you wouldn't have to
Speaker 3: feel the intensity of the heat scan or whatever.
Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean, I I just think maybe
Speaker 5: the process isn't all that painful or but this is
Speaker 5: where you asked me at the beginning, have you ever
Speaker 5: recorded yourself or now. I've had times where I've had
Speaker 5: some really like I felt as though, you know, you've
Speaker 5: won some deep places. And when I come back and
Speaker 5: ask Alicia what happened, She's like, yeah, you're it felt
Speaker 5: like I was speaking with somebody else, or I felt
Speaker 5: like your body was like instantly you were just like
Speaker 5: a different you were, you know, beating and breathing as
Speaker 5: a different being. And she said that's happened multiple times,
Speaker 5: but oh my god, again she wasn't here this time
Speaker 5: and no one was here, and that that would be
Speaker 5: one of those I would really that would be the
Speaker 5: one session that I would really enjoy to see because
Speaker 5: you know it as much as I can talk about
Speaker 5: the crazy out there shit, and I'm all about talking about,
Speaker 5: like I said, different states of consciousness. I believe there
Speaker 5: are UFOs, aliens and sentient beings and all that shit,
Speaker 5: but I don't want to just haphazardly throw out there
Speaker 5: like oh yeah, DMT and alien abduction and that's what happened.
Speaker 5: I have no fucking idea, but the fact that I'm
Speaker 5: so used to blasting off that deep and then either
Speaker 5: shutting my eyes and being aware of my inner consciousness
Speaker 5: in my inner world, or opening my eyes and looking
Speaker 5: at the tapestries and looking at the fish tank and
Speaker 5: looking at all that shit. This was neither one of those.
Speaker 5: This was instant. Just we're hijacking your body and we're
Speaker 5: doing what the fuck we want with it.
Speaker 4: Well, dude, I'll tell you what though.
Speaker 3: We actually uh over on the cult of conspiracy. The
Speaker 3: uh we've been covering like a lot of alien stories
Speaker 3: and abduction type of stories and really trying to get
Speaker 3: really familiar with it so that we can try and
Speaker 3: maybe bridge the gap of our understanding about what it is,
Speaker 3: where they're coming from, what they what they want, what
Speaker 3: we are, whatever, right, whatever message comes through with these stories.
Speaker 3: And so there's there's a wilder there's a wild parallel
Speaker 3: with a lot of the stories, not every single one
Speaker 3: of them, but almost almost every single alien story that
Speaker 3: we've been diving into. Happens whenever somebody is either sleeping
Speaker 3: or in some kind of trance like state, whether that
Speaker 3: is in a meditation or their eyes are kind of
Speaker 3: you know, glossed over as they're driving, or maybe it's
Speaker 3: while they have sleep paralysis or something like that, or
Speaker 3: you know, We've talked to this woman named Karen Wilkinson
Speaker 3: and she talks about how she for the longest time,
Speaker 3: for years, she said that she was getting abducted by
Speaker 3: aliens and they were taking her to the same exact
Speaker 3: place every single night, which is basically like these underground
Speaker 3: tunnels and deep underground military bases, and they were doing
Speaker 3: like weird familiar with procedures and everything. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 3: so but it was always every time she was asleep, right,
Speaker 3: And so I think that it does have something to
Speaker 3: do with the the state of mind that you're in
Speaker 3: that almost allows you to be able to I guess
Speaker 3: the best term would be project there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, Well, I think it's just as simple as
Speaker 5: turning on your radio, a TV or a computer or
Speaker 5: you know, you've got to turn on or dial into
Speaker 5: the right frequency to resonate with it to pick up
Speaker 5: the signal. So, whether that be d MT induced, whether
Speaker 5: that be lucid dream induced, whether that be trauma induced,
Speaker 5: whether that be exhaustion induced. You know, I'm trying not
Speaker 5: sleeping for several days or even fasting, you know, And
Speaker 5: that's why that there's there's a lot of different methods
Speaker 5: or even you know, the tie into like the ancient
Speaker 5: mysteries where you're walking into a cave for for ten
Speaker 5: days and going through all this this purging and stuff
Speaker 5: like that. It's like, you know, you put your body
Speaker 5: through different whether it be trauma or excited states, You're
Speaker 5: you're going to be able to pick up different stuff.
Speaker 5: I think that's that's proven, And now it's kind of
Speaker 5: like what do we do with it?
Speaker 6: What?
Speaker 5: You know, what type of positive and creative information can
Speaker 5: be taken from the space?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean what do you do with it?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: I think I'll tell you what though, I think that
Speaker 3: you know, you're you're already doing a lot with it, dude,
Speaker 3: Like it just you're doing a lot with it, even
Speaker 3: if it's uh, I mean, you're definitely helping other people
Speaker 3: try and understand what is really going on within these
Speaker 3: realms with all the experience that you have. But think
Speaker 3: about the effect that it's had on you, Like, what
Speaker 3: are you gonna do with it? Like you're doing a
Speaker 3: lot more with this than you would say buying a
Speaker 3: new car or buying a new PlayStation or you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, like material shit that's not really doing
Speaker 3: anything for you outside of just either A getting you
Speaker 3: from A to B or B. You know, if you're
Speaker 3: playing a PlayStation, like you're just fucking wasting your time. Really,
Speaker 3: So I mean I would say that, you know, it's
Speaker 3: it does a lot, but you know, living in this
Speaker 3: kind of material world, we want to try and see
Speaker 3: what we can take from there into this world. And
Speaker 3: I don't know, and I'm not saying that that's what
Speaker 3: you're saying at all, but and you're.
Speaker 5: Familiar with my story a little bit, but you know,
Speaker 5: as not to necessarily think everybody's read my book or
Speaker 5: listened to our last interview. But I was the rich
Speaker 5: white kid from New England that had everything.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 5: I was gifted almost one hundred thousand dollars when I
Speaker 5: was eighteen. I've owned fifteen properties. I went to college
Speaker 5: for a long time, like you know, blah blah blah,
Speaker 5: all of that fucking shit. So what caused me, at
Speaker 5: forty one years old to have my midlife crisis was
Speaker 5: I was running around burning myself out in that rat
Speaker 5: race and I looked really really good on paper, but
Speaker 5: that's what that was really a part of my self destruction.
Speaker 5: I think I told you too. I took a year
Speaker 5: and a half off, I traveled the country, I did
Speaker 5: the deep exploration with DMT and shrooms, and that was
Speaker 5: I published my book in twenty twenty three, so it's
Speaker 5: been out for about two and a half years. And
Speaker 5: I say the next couple of things with full humility,
Speaker 5: but to add on to the point of what you're doing,
Speaker 5: what we're sharing here, and I think the importance of
Speaker 5: everybody's voice is important, and if you can just click
Speaker 5: and resonate with one person, and it's worth doing all
Speaker 5: of this. And since that, all of these beautiful synchronicities
Speaker 5: have continually happened. Where When I went to the in
Speaker 5: Roe Institute, my roommate was Michael Phillip, So I don't
Speaker 5: know a lot of people watching the show might be
Speaker 5: know the podcast Third Eye Drops. So he's got an
Speaker 5: amazing show. He's got a lot of shit going on.
Speaker 5: I was on his show, and I think my episode
Speaker 5: now has like one hundred and twenty two thousand views.
Speaker 5: It's like, what the fuck is that. I never thought
Speaker 5: in a million years I would have over a thousand
Speaker 5: or ten thousand views. Would be fucking insane. I was
Speaker 5: on a podcast a couple of weeks ago in Australia.
Speaker 5: It has over fifty thousand views. It's resonated with a
Speaker 5: shitload of doctors. This morning, I was on a conference
Speaker 5: call with a room full of therapists in Australia basically
Speaker 5: as a like keynote speaker to talk about like mental
Speaker 5: health and bridging the gap with DMT and you know,
Speaker 5: therapeutics in medicine. I've potner it up with a couple
Speaker 5: organizations in New England and I can share these with
Speaker 5: you that are based on you know, mental health advocacy
Speaker 5: and giving people access to information and suicidal health, you
Speaker 5: know help. And I say all this because never in
Speaker 5: a fucking million years did I ever think that this
Speaker 5: would be something that I would be doing. Then I'd
Speaker 5: be saying that my words and messages have reached hundreds
Speaker 5: of thousands of people, and more importantly, my inbox is
Speaker 5: full of heartfelt messages from people that are sharing the
Speaker 5: most profound shit from death and horrible trauma and loss
Speaker 5: and rape and abuse and the most crazy shit. People
Speaker 5: are sharing with me and saying that hearing my story
Speaker 5: or read reading my book allowed for them to open
Speaker 5: up the conversation and it's not one or two or
Speaker 5: ten or twenty or fifty. It's really a lot. And
Speaker 5: that's what gives me. That's why when you was like
Speaker 5: you guys will like, would you mind having a conversation again,
Speaker 5: there was no hesitation at all, because it's like, if
Speaker 5: one person can listen to this and be like, you
Speaker 5: know what, this is worth living on this planet for
Speaker 5: one more day and it's worth exploring figuring shit out
Speaker 5: or no, this guy was in a really really dark
Speaker 5: place and now you know he's he was able to
Speaker 5: shine light on it. It's really worth sharing it. And
Speaker 5: you know, like I said, I say all those things,
Speaker 5: not in the like bragging like oh yeah, let's you
Speaker 5: know I've hit some really high points. Just the opposite.
Speaker 5: It's holy shit. I can't imagine that I've had the
Speaker 5: opportunity to have people listen to me that many times,
Speaker 5: And if I have been giving that opportunity, it only
Speaker 5: refines my message all the more. It makes it even
Speaker 5: more personal and raw. To make sure it's not just
Speaker 5: sensational laser and lights and alien abduction. It really is
Speaker 5: the heart of it is, in my opinion, self exploration,
Speaker 5: mental health, knowing yourself, and really trying to understand the
Speaker 5: big picture of what the fuck are we doing and
Speaker 5: as this human in this experience right now, right here,
Speaker 5: And that's an answer. I have no idea what it is,
Speaker 5: but I know it's not prescription pills, alcohol, sixty hour
Speaker 5: work weeks, just stacking money. That's definitely fuck being in
Speaker 5: a loveless, sexless marriage, definitely fucking not it. Uh, definitely
Speaker 5: not it.
Speaker 3: Uh you know right, Yeah, it's just you're you're able
Speaker 3: to go to a place where you're operating outside of
Speaker 3: the of the machine in a sense. But uh, Asia
Speaker 3: has her hand up over there.
Speaker 4: What what do you?
Speaker 8: Uh?
Speaker 4: What are you thinking over their?
Speaker 5: Asia?
Speaker 8: Hey, guys, So it's actually a little bit off topic
Speaker 8: from what we're talking about now, but it's kind of
Speaker 8: circling back to the alien stuff. So I actually had
Speaker 8: a crazy dream a couple of nights ago, and I
Speaker 8: wanted to share it to see just if anybody had
Speaker 8: some input or like, you know, maybe a similar experience.
Speaker 8: But so I had a dream and this is my
Speaker 8: first like dream involving an alien, but like the first
Speaker 8: one where I've communicated with them in a dream, and
Speaker 8: so I get I'll just try to like it was
Speaker 8: pretty like intense, but I guess I'll just summ it
Speaker 8: up to like what I believe to be the most
Speaker 8: important point. So I was in my driveway and a
Speaker 8: UFO just like materialized like in the sky, like pretty
Speaker 8: low to the ground too, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 8: that's like pretty fucking cool like UFO, and then it
Speaker 8: like flew over the house and then I was like okay,
Speaker 8: So then went through the house ended up on the
Speaker 8: back deck and then this UFO, the same UFO is
Speaker 8: like hovering above the yard and the alien who is
Speaker 8: you know, I'm assuming piloting this UFO is on the
Speaker 8: deck and at the time, like I'm having people over,
Speaker 8: and there's like it's nighttime, but there's like people in
Speaker 8: the pool swimming and people on the deck, and either
Speaker 8: nobody seemed to care that there was UFO in the
Speaker 8: ard or they just couldn't see him because he was
Speaker 8: just like standing there and like everybody was just going
Speaker 8: out about their business still like nothing changed. People weren't
Speaker 8: freaking out or anything. And I like looked at him
Speaker 8: and I was thinking, I'm like, what is he doing here?
Speaker 8: And he heard my thoughts and like he responded to
Speaker 8: me in my mind and was like he was basically said,
Speaker 8: like my race is one of many who watch over Earth.
Speaker 8: We're just here to like like watch you protect like
Speaker 8: we don't protect Earth, and keep an eye on you guys.
Speaker 8: And he was like, I was like, oh okay, like
Speaker 8: and then he was basically saying that there's like a
Speaker 8: war going on right now and it's been going on
Speaker 8: for a long time, and to us, it's like a
Speaker 8: spiritual war, but it's like very much a real thing
Speaker 8: that's happening like I guess like physically, but not like
Speaker 8: to us. It's like energetic to us. And he it
Speaker 8: was like I looked up to like the sky and
Speaker 8: it was like he took this like lens off of
Speaker 8: my eyes because when I looked up at the sky,
Speaker 8: it was like I just seen a whole bunch of
Speaker 8: UFOs everywhere. It was like if you could like imagine
Speaker 8: a meteor shower across the entire sky, just like in
Speaker 8: every direction, That's what I've seen in It was like everywhere.
Speaker 8: And I was like, oh shit. And he was like,
Speaker 8: I was like, so is this like the war And
Speaker 8: he was like yeah, some are bad and some are
Speaker 8: good aliens or whatever. And as soon as he said that,
Speaker 8: one like a UFO like ziped down out this guy
Speaker 8: and like there were these fireworks that were in the
Speaker 8: yard and it like levitated the fireworks up. But as
Speaker 8: soon as it got into like their ship, their ship
Speaker 8: like blew up and the fireworks went off. And I
Speaker 8: was like, why did that happen? And he was like
Speaker 8: because they can't.
Speaker 6: I was or no.
Speaker 8: I was like, are those bad aliens? And he was like, yeah,
Speaker 8: they wanted I think this part was symbolic, but he
Speaker 8: said that they wanted to take our weapons from us
Speaker 8: so that we couldn't like stand up to them basically
Speaker 8: like fight back in a sense. And he said that
Speaker 8: the reason it exploded it is because they can't like
Speaker 8: physically interact with us because there were different densities than them,
Speaker 8: and so it's all like has to be an energetic
Speaker 8: interaction and like it will harm them if they try
Speaker 8: to like physically interact with us in a sense. And
Speaker 8: like it's really hard to put into words, but like
Speaker 8: when he was telling me, in my mind, like it
Speaker 8: all made sense and the dream and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 8: like that that makes sense, and like the entire time
Speaker 8: that I'm like conversing with him, I like just feel
Speaker 8: like I don't feel scared at all, Like I feel
Speaker 8: very calm. He had like a very wise and protective
Speaker 8: energy about him, and it was like, but that was
Speaker 8: that was pretty much it. That was the dream. But
Speaker 8: it was like a super I've never had like a
Speaker 8: dream like that. I Like, I've had crazy dreams, but
Speaker 8: that one was like crazy and coherent, like it made sense.
Speaker 8: And so I just wanted to share that and see
Speaker 8: if anybody kind of had a similar has had something similar.
Speaker 4: What a gnarly dream that is awesome like this?
Speaker 8: I know it's like one of those dreams, like how
Speaker 8: do you just wake up and go to work after that?
Speaker 4: I mean, what is what is your take on that? Adam?
Speaker 5: Well, that was really well described, Like I felt like
Speaker 5: I was along for the journey there, So very good
Speaker 5: job describing a dream. I know that can be difficult.
Speaker 5: I would say one of three things. Either that's complete
Speaker 5: bullshit and she's just making it up, or she's been
Speaker 5: watching a lot of videos and movies and has heard
Speaker 5: that same line thirty forty fifty hundred times and she's
Speaker 5: just regurgitating it. Or three, the shit's fucking real. The
Speaker 5: message she got is very similar and aligned in parallel,
Speaker 5: which has got not gotten what I've heard from multiple people.
Speaker 5: But it seems fuck as I'm getting goosebumps, like giving
Speaker 5: my ticke, But it seems to also be like what
Speaker 5: human history has been saying for thousands and thousands of years,
Speaker 5: or like what everybody has kind of been saying from
Speaker 5: all different ancient wisdoms and religions, and my understanding all
Speaker 5: of human history kind of says a similar story to
Speaker 5: what she just beautifully articulated of those three options. Without
Speaker 5: knowing this young woman, I'll give with the benefit of
Speaker 5: the doubt that her, her body, her vessel, whatever some
Speaker 5: way was able to have that veil removed or refined,
Speaker 5: or her antenna able to pick up that type of information,
Speaker 5: and she saw an actual intellectual download. And if I could,
Speaker 5: whether it's bullshit and made up or not, it sounds
Speaker 5: like this that experience is probably gonna have a lasting
Speaker 5: effect on her and it'll probably alter how she does whatever.
Speaker 5: And I think, whether it's quote unquote true or real
Speaker 5: or not, the last thing, physiological effects and how that
Speaker 5: will change her way of thinking and potentially in a
Speaker 5: positive way, is the important thing similar to like a
Speaker 5: DMTU psychedelic experience. It's like, however, for any of the
Speaker 5: nay says that would be like oh pooh pooh, Well,
Speaker 5: I think that will give her a beautiful outlook on
Speaker 5: life and a helpful one. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I had this dream a couple of days ago, and
Speaker 8: I like just keep thinking about it felt so real.
Speaker 8: It was like yeah, and I just woke up from it,
Speaker 8: and I was like, yeah, it makes you feel different,
Speaker 8: Like you wake up feeling like kind of like lighter,
Speaker 8: like you know a little bit more, you have a
Speaker 8: better understanding about something. And I was just like, man,
Speaker 8: that's crazy because the only I only had one other
Speaker 8: dream involving an alien before, and that one was like
Speaker 8: scary kind of I was just like walking down my
Speaker 8: road and I just appeared out of the sky again
Speaker 8: and it was like in front of me, but like
Speaker 8: we didn't have a conversation or anything. And this the one,
Speaker 8: the alien and the dream I just had a couple
Speaker 8: of days ago. He like appeared kind of like human looking,
Speaker 8: but like super sharp like chisel kind of like super
Speaker 8: like defined like facial features almost like to the point
Speaker 8: where like you know he's not human because he looks
Speaker 8: too kind of like carved in a sense, and like
Speaker 8: it's very smooth skin and stuff like that. And then
Speaker 8: like the eyes you can just kind of tell like
Speaker 8: a different, you know, not a human energy about it.
Speaker 8: But in the dream I had months ago involving alien,
Speaker 8: he like I don't know if it was like a
Speaker 8: reptilian because it was like green kind of I don't know,
Speaker 8: like you know, all the races out there, but it
Speaker 8: was like green and scaly, but it wasn't super tall
Speaker 8: like how they'd say, like like the draconian ones are
Speaker 8: and stuff. But I felt really scared in this dream.
Speaker 8: And in this dream, my sister like she was with me.
Speaker 8: We were walking down the street and I just like
Speaker 8: put my arm out in front of her to like,
Speaker 8: because she's younger than me, to like protect her kind of.
Speaker 8: But I would just like didn't want to take my
Speaker 8: eyes off of that one. And I was scared in
Speaker 8: that dream, But this one I was the complete opposite.
Speaker 8: I felt safe, I felt calm, and I was like
Speaker 8: I enjoyed kind of like being in his presence and
Speaker 8: learning from him.
Speaker 4: I buy it.
Speaker 3: I mean, Adam, I think you were spot on there, dude,
Speaker 3: as far as like, uh, you know, many different mythologies
Speaker 3: and religious and spiritual practice is have talked about like
Speaker 3: this spiritual war for.
Speaker 4: A long time.
Speaker 3: And uh and and also like is DMT not being
Speaker 3: secreted whenever you're sleeping anyway?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 8: Oh, yeah, that is true.
Speaker 3: So maybe that was I mean, I don't know, dude.
Speaker 3: I mean we've, as I said, we kind of covered
Speaker 3: a lot of d MT stuff and we actually learned
Speaker 3: something new.
Speaker 4: So from from the d MT X.
Speaker 3: Studies, they say that they found that not only is
Speaker 3: d MT secreted from the pineal gland, but it's also
Speaker 3: in your lungs, which is why the whim hoff like
Speaker 3: in the breathing method and and all that stuff works. Well,
Speaker 3: maybe that's why it works is because DMT is also
Speaker 3: happening there too, but also in your cerebo cerebral spinal fluid,
Speaker 3: which makes sense for the whole cundalini thing too.
Speaker 4: Right, So yeah, it's I don't know, dude.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of pieces that that tie it together.
Speaker 5: And you know, even you bring up your buddy there
Speaker 5: that had the neodethics and how he kind of liked
Speaker 5: tied it together, Doctor Joe Despenser I mentioned him in
Speaker 5: my book about Becoming Supernatural, I think is a really
Speaker 5: you know, medically based book that talks about physiology and
Speaker 5: how you know, serotonin and melatonin get broken down very
Speaker 5: easily into d MT, and that there are studies with
Speaker 5: deep meditation and holotrophic breathing that you can you can
Speaker 5: pulse it. There's a lot of research and data out
Speaker 5: there that shows that DMT in another person And I
Speaker 5: mentioned this I believe on the last podcast, and he's
Speaker 5: somebody I can I can probably make the connection with
Speaker 5: Anthony Peak. He's written a bunch of books about neo
Speaker 5: death experiences and altered states of consciousness, uh temporal epilobe
Speaker 5: epilepsy like migraine, headache, ores and stuff like that. How
Speaker 5: people that have those states really kind of have like
Speaker 5: these psychedelic visions and time lapses and are able to
Speaker 5: go into these really transcendental states, realms, whatever. But he
Speaker 5: he always brings it back to d MT and the natural,
Speaker 5: indogenous aspect of it, and I think that's always there,
Speaker 5: that's always present. And then you know, if you're doing
Speaker 5: like what we've been talking about, if you're bumping that
Speaker 5: up with the external hit and I would you know,
Speaker 5: as we're talking about it being indogenous. That first day,
Speaker 5: when I took that very very first hit, it really
Speaker 5: did feel very natural, very neat. It wasn't scary. There
Speaker 5: was this kind of nasal sensation, nasal cavity sensation, excuse me,
Speaker 5: that was very familiar from a childhood kind of time
Speaker 5: where it just it wasn't a scary as much as
Speaker 5: all you everything is changing and you know there's a
Speaker 5: lot going on, but it did feel normal, natural, organic, indogenous.
Speaker 5: I mean all of those words. It wasn't foreign, a
Speaker 5: familiar or alien or drugging or any of those things.
Speaker 3: What do you mean by a familiar nasal situation? Can
Speaker 3: you dive into that a little bit more like how
Speaker 3: something nasally would be familiar as a child.
Speaker 5: So if you've ever done the like holo traffic breathing
Speaker 5: where you know and it takes ten, fifteen, twenty minutes
Speaker 5: to kind of get to that point, but I remember
Speaker 5: the first time that I actually did that with the
Speaker 5: intent of trying to, you know, and induce your own
Speaker 5: dodgeness d MT. When it did stop happening, it really
Speaker 5: there was this nasal sensation where it was like snock
Speaker 5: kind of dripping down the back of your throat and
Speaker 5: that was that was when it was like, oh shit,
Speaker 5: this really is DMT. You can taste it. And you know,
Speaker 5: if I hadn't smoked it prior to I wouldn't have
Speaker 5: really understood or realized that. But that ties into I
Speaker 5: remember very specifically living in a childhood house. I was
Speaker 5: seven eight years old in my neighbor's back hallway. For
Speaker 5: some reason, I got instantly put to that time in
Speaker 5: that space where I had that same sensation that I remembered.
Speaker 5: I have a very you know, like photographic vivid memory,
Speaker 5: but it instantly brought me back to childhood sensations of
Speaker 5: swallowing snot in that hallway. But it wasn't snot. It
Speaker 5: was in dodgenous d MTD or leaking cerebral swinal fluid. Oh.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of theories of I think
Speaker 5: somebody called like golden nectar, Like it's been like talked
Speaker 5: about that if you if you were able to get
Speaker 5: your body to vibrate and hum, you're able to kind
Speaker 5: of release it and that when you smoke it and
Speaker 5: obviously now you're inhaling it and it is you're tasting it.
Speaker 5: Fully because it's in your mouth. It's a very similar taste, smell,
Speaker 5: feeling then when you're when you're doing that deep breathing.
Speaker 4: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is so fascinating too, because I've always had
Speaker 3: like allergies like crazy my entire life, and I'm always
Speaker 3: like MUCUSI and snotty and everything, and i gotta do
Speaker 3: this wholenvage thing like every single day and everything, and
Speaker 3: like fuck man, just go like it doesn't even matter
Speaker 3: what season.
Speaker 5: Is, Soude. This wasn't like nasal like salty gross snot
Speaker 5: coming from shit in your nose or that you're hacking
Speaker 5: up through your mouth. This was like leaking from your
Speaker 5: brain and coming down like yeah, like a a different
Speaker 5: type of drip. That was like, where the fuck is
Speaker 5: this coming from?
Speaker 3: Oh all right, well, before we get to the next story,
Speaker 3: I did want to get over the chat. White boy
Speaker 3: Wizard said, good evening, you lovely motherfuckers.
Speaker 6: What's up my dude?
Speaker 5: He's over there building some shit.
Speaker 6: He's always he's always up to something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, fucking worker man. Love it.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 3: Taylor said, how's it going or how goes it? Fam
Speaker 3: totally here for these DMT talks. And Taylor also said,
Speaker 3: I think this is a question for you, Adam, that says,
Speaker 3: if you can go back to the same place in
Speaker 3: the DMT realm, could people go to the same place
Speaker 3: like a meeting spot, do you encounter the same entities
Speaker 3: or different each time?
Speaker 4: So I think there's a couple of questions. Aaron, however,
Speaker 4: you want to answer that.
Speaker 5: So I never experienced the same entity twice, and I've
Speaker 5: never been to the same location twice. That being said,
Speaker 5: there does seem to be a flavor or an ambiance
Speaker 5: or or a sense of like this is the group,
Speaker 5: or this is the archetype, or this is the type
Speaker 5: of energy of flavor that that that session is. But
Speaker 5: I think that's that's why my understanding is with like
Speaker 5: the d mt X project, where there they are trying
Speaker 5: to quote unquote map it, and I don't think that's like,
Speaker 5: you know, come up with like a an actual like
Speaker 5: gis map of it. But more you know, are there
Speaker 5: similar shapes? Is it? Is it moving, is it morphing,
Speaker 5: is it dynamic? Is it three dimensional or does it
Speaker 5: seemed to be hyperdimensional? Are the entities? Are there not entities?
Speaker 5: And I think that's where and so now I've done
Speaker 5: it hundreds of times. Like we mentioned, it never gets easy.
Speaker 5: It's always I'm always kind of nervous going into it.
Speaker 5: It be maybe similar to you know, like if if
Speaker 5: you're a snowboarder or a skier, if you're going down
Speaker 5: like a triple black diamond and it's icy, even if
Speaker 5: you've done it a hundred times, you better be cautious
Speaker 5: and give it respect because one false move and you're
Speaker 5: gonna get slipped and you know, go off the trail
Speaker 5: and die. And it is kind of like that type
Speaker 5: of respect and reverence where if you if you think
Speaker 5: for one second that you're gonna go in there and
Speaker 5: kind of do your own thing. That's where I can
Speaker 5: get a little bit, a little bit off. But I've
Speaker 5: had when I was first like that first few months,
Speaker 5: I felt as though I had a welcoming committee where
Speaker 5: it was those gestory machine LF type things where I
Speaker 5: would come in. Uh. And I've discussed this on quite
Speaker 5: a few other you know areas, and I don't know
Speaker 5: if it was with you us or not, but it
Speaker 5: was like I was like an animal at a zoo.
Speaker 5: So when my human consciousness would get lit up by
Speaker 5: by d MT or almost like a firefly in a
Speaker 5: dock field. When I got into that space, they would
Speaker 5: kind of be able to glob on and see that this,
Speaker 5: this human is now glowing with this like d MT.
Speaker 5: And once I started going into it and going into
Speaker 5: it often, I felt as though they kept coming back
Speaker 5: to me excited that I was there, like they were
Speaker 5: was this kind of like welcoming committee. But it wasn't
Speaker 5: every time like oh, yeah, that's Jeff d l for
Speaker 5: that's whatever, you know. It was more just this is
Speaker 5: the weird group of the And I could see where
Speaker 5: people call them entities or excuse me, jesters or machine
Speaker 5: els because they were that kind of fun amusement parky light,
Speaker 5: you know, come with me, come with me, let me
Speaker 5: show you type energy. But then maybe to answer her
Speaker 5: point too, that some of the other kind of common
Speaker 5: archetypes where you know, people talk about insectoid or mantis beings. Again,
Speaker 5: I think this is it's going to be colorful language
Speaker 5: and everybody's going to have their own way describing it.
Speaker 5: But I could see the distinct difference between the small,
Speaker 5: typically tinier jestory elves and these beings are what I
Speaker 5: consider like the mechanics or the technicians of that space
Speaker 5: where they're the ones that are kind of coming and
Speaker 5: interacting with you. In my opinion, I've had those insectoid
Speaker 5: interactions where they either showed me how to use my
Speaker 5: body properly, whether it be to breathe properly, pulse fluis properly,
Speaker 5: it showed me some of those extra senses in what
Speaker 5: they could do, or in a couple of cases, they
Speaker 5: kind of actually took control of my body like a
Speaker 5: like a transformer glob on or like like that venom
Speaker 5: suit where they you know, you'd get into that space,
Speaker 5: they would be an interaction and then they would come
Speaker 5: in and really kind of like play your human instrument
Speaker 5: like a professional artist and musician knows how to play
Speaker 5: a human instrument where we as most And that's kind
Speaker 5: of like a good takeaway where up and until you
Speaker 5: really know the limits of in the power of your
Speaker 5: human musical instrument and how it can be played in
Speaker 5: all the different ways it can make notes, you really
Speaker 5: don't know how divine and how beautiful you are. And
Speaker 5: that's what those mantispians are, those insected being said did
Speaker 5: for me where they're really you know, they're shown you
Speaker 5: all the bells and whistles of this this human suit.
Speaker 5: But so there are those distant groups, and then there's
Speaker 5: the pleasant, motherly feminine archetypes that are really nurturing and loving,
Speaker 5: and you know, some are sexual, some are not. You know, there's.
Speaker 6: Of these different entities.
Speaker 7: Not to cut you off, but was there any correlation
Speaker 7: that you could pick up on as far as maybe
Speaker 7: your state of mind or maybe what you were going
Speaker 7: through before having these different entities approach you or experience them.
Speaker 5: Not as much of a correlation as I would like,
Speaker 5: you know, you'd like to think as much as the
Speaker 5: intention and as much as the prayer and meditation prior
Speaker 5: to would kind of like direct and stare it like almost.
Speaker 6: Like you could meet you where you're at kind of thing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like you're you're picking the movie ticket. But sometimes
Speaker 5: it is like you never know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 5: But there have been and and I think it's I
Speaker 5: always try to go for like the overall flavor, you know.
Speaker 5: So sometimes if I'm going into that space, maybe it's
Speaker 5: just I want to I'm not looking for anything. Maybe
Speaker 5: I just want to express gratitude and joy and thankfulness
Speaker 5: and appreciation, and I'll go into the space with no you,
Speaker 5: no notion of what I want to get out of it.
Speaker 5: It's really just to go in there and give thanks.
Speaker 5: But then there are some some other times where I'll
Speaker 5: go in there and be perfect honestly, what am I
Speaker 5: gonna do with my next career path? What? What? How
Speaker 5: do I align with with what's true to me? Whatever?
Speaker 5: How do I get laid next? Who am I gonna like?
Speaker 5: Whom I get a date? Like? You know, sometimes that
Speaker 5: are kind of like what am I gonna? Can you
Speaker 5: give me any guide a direction? But if it you're
Speaker 5: kind of you're you're at this road. So yeah, in
Speaker 5: most cases you really are. You're you're in their realm.
Speaker 7: Right, And so as far as setting the intention, you
Speaker 7: really just want to get your mind right, get kind
Speaker 7: of relaxed. And but wherever the d MT trip goes,
Speaker 7: that's where it's going.
Speaker 6: Basically.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mentioned you know, and obviously what's right
Speaker 5: for me is subjective is it going to be for
Speaker 5: everybody else? But like you know, I would say, not
Speaker 5: out in public, not driving, not in a room full
Speaker 5: of other people, not if there's a if you're out
Speaker 5: like camping and there's a shitload of mosquitoes. If it's
Speaker 5: in the middle of the day, turn off your phone
Speaker 5: and they'll really just be conscious of of what what
Speaker 5: you're doing, you know, like just like hopefully we wouldn't
Speaker 5: just whatever, make love willy nilly.
Speaker 6: Or want to be present.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, in extra hyper present, right, knowing that that
Speaker 5: this is going to be a hell of a jump
Speaker 5: and a hell of a journey, and yeah, yeah, I've
Speaker 5: never The only time that I had a little bit
Speaker 5: of a pushback was when I did maybe have a
Speaker 5: little bit of cockiness of arrogance and I kind of went,
Speaker 5: and they're really thinking I could, like, you know, get
Speaker 5: answers on like how the pyramids would built, or you know,
Speaker 5: like go in there and be like I want access
Speaker 5: to the Acostic records, and the fuck I went and
Speaker 5: that I didn't get those answers. If anything, I kind of,
Speaker 5: I don't want to say like got kicked out of
Speaker 5: the space. But it was almost like I didn't have
Speaker 5: any fun interactions for several sessions until I made my
Speaker 5: amends and kind of said sorry and then asked to
Speaker 5: get back into the club, so to speak.
Speaker 7: You're in my wild now, Grandma, right, I wanted I
Speaker 7: wanted to ask you, and I don't know if you've
Speaker 7: had experience with it, and I don't remember if I'm
Speaker 7: actually willing to bet that Jonathan didn't have his experience
Speaker 7: the last time we were talking to you, But have
Speaker 7: you ever experienced the void? Or it was just like nothingness.
Speaker 5: My first that first first day, I mentioned how I
Speaker 5: did seven eight sessions and it was a total of
Speaker 5: you know, forty forty five fifty hits each session. So
Speaker 5: that first set introduction to the sites and sounds, you know,
Speaker 5: you get it, get a feeling of of what it feels,
Speaker 5: but no no weird profound insights, no entities. Again, pushed it,
Speaker 5: pushed it, pushed it. That last session when I when
Speaker 5: I say I had my kind of life changing, life
Speaker 5: saving epiphany that was also similar to that alien where
Speaker 5: everything was blue and paralysis, but that that was different
Speaker 5: where there was also no no hum, there was no
Speaker 5: sights and sounds, and that was kind of like this
Speaker 5: this black void of this black space where that's when
Speaker 5: I got my first I would say, like DNA download, Well,
Speaker 5: that's when I got that instantaneous answering of a lifetime
Speaker 5: of questions. In a split second, they were all all
Speaker 5: instantly connected.
Speaker 4: Wow. I just looked it up.
Speaker 3: And when we had our last conversation, that was July twelfth,
Speaker 3: so it was before my my original my first and
Speaker 3: only DM teacher at Holy shit, I thought we had
Speaker 3: talked about this already.
Speaker 5: Well, I listened to some of your other podcast talking about.
Speaker 3: It, so yeah, yeah, so yeah, it's uh, it is
Speaker 3: interesting talking about the void, and I've I've beat it
Speaker 3: to fucking death trying to figure out what it is,
Speaker 3: what it meant, what it could mean in everything else.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure everybody's void experience is very different, you know.
Speaker 3: But one thing that I really took from that is that,
Speaker 3: you know, I thought that I had like literally deleted
Speaker 3: the entire world, including myself and my family, Like I
Speaker 3: thought I legit deleted existence, like I hit some kind
Speaker 3: of button that fucking ended the program, right, and and
Speaker 3: it was really scary, and that really fucked with me
Speaker 3: for a long time. But what I got from it
Speaker 3: afterward was like, oh wait, I was still there, So
Speaker 3: it wasn't necessarily a void, so to say, because a
Speaker 3: void doesn't have anything in it, And I was there,
Speaker 3: you know, me as in my awareness of being there,
Speaker 3: right and so but yeah, dude, it's that really fucked
Speaker 3: with me for a little while.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I get it, it's it's tough to put into words.
Speaker 5: But yeah, once you see kind of the back of
Speaker 5: the house on what and once again, what do you
Speaker 5: see in the back of the house to consciousness, God
Speaker 5: the matrix? You know again, and maybe from somebody that
Speaker 5: like I studied entomology for for many years in college,
Speaker 5: so I was like a trained scientist in using you know,
Speaker 5: scientific words, as opposed to somebody that you know, studies
Speaker 5: religious and you know, spiritual text how they would come
Speaker 5: to to describe the same thing where it's it's difficult
Speaker 5: to try to describe the space, and each person's upbringing,
Speaker 5: subjective background is gonna flavor how they try to describe it.
Speaker 5: But it really is indescribable. It's it's something that until
Speaker 5: you could experience it, you know, it's I mean, just
Speaker 5: like talking about having an orgasm. You can talk about it,
Speaker 5: but until you have one it so you don't know
Speaker 5: what it is or you can talk about you know,
Speaker 5: I'll watch your video on how to swim, all right,
Speaker 5: We'll get into a pool and then you know, that's
Speaker 5: swimming and it's kind of like you know, have have
Speaker 5: human consciousness go from five senses at a dial of
Speaker 5: ten to fifty cents is at a dial of a thousand,
Speaker 5: and then you know, tell me, tell me what the
Speaker 5: fuck that means. You know, I don't know all trying
Speaker 5: to put it into words, but what I think it
Speaker 5: means is that it's way we're way greater than I
Speaker 5: think that we give ourselves credit for that. We are
Speaker 5: divine and connected to this greater being a source or
Speaker 5: consciousness or something that we are all kind of a
Speaker 5: part of. And you know, showing to kind of what
Speaker 5: we were talking about, the not to get bogged down
Speaker 5: with the assholes of the world, the societal plaque, the
Speaker 5: stresses of everyday life, the social media smunt you know,
Speaker 5: all the crap that that can clog up those senses
Speaker 5: and just the opposite, freeom, liberate them, accentuate them, get
Speaker 5: them going. And for me, Psychedelics and Deem Team particular
Speaker 5: really was able to to remove all that shit. And
Speaker 5: you know too years into this journey now I can
Speaker 5: honestly say that, and I think I ended the podcast
Speaker 5: with you last time similar to this. I'm the most happy, content,
Speaker 5: blissful that I've ever ever been. I still wake up
Speaker 5: every day with goosebumps.
Speaker 6: Every night.
Speaker 5: I go to bed and I say my prayers are
Speaker 5: gratitude every day and I do the most menial, shitty
Speaker 5: fucking task that I'm getting paid a third of what
Speaker 5: I used to get paid for, and I'm happy as
Speaker 5: fuck all day. I whistle, I skip by dance, I
Speaker 5: joke before everything was the exact opposite of that, and
Speaker 5: I brought everybody else down around me. And I think
Speaker 5: everybody has that ability within to have a blissful, happy life.
Speaker 5: They just have to look for it and know that
Speaker 5: they're worthy of it and demand it.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, and that's that. So you're living like a
Speaker 4: kid now, and that's really all it is.
Speaker 5: Awesome.
Speaker 3: Yes, you just took all of that fucking heavy gorilla
Speaker 3: off of your back and now you're able to experience
Speaker 3: life as a little kid, Like all of the scripture said.
Speaker 5: Full disclosure, because I know there's gonna be some people like, yeah,
Speaker 5: the fucking guy's forty five years old living in his
Speaker 5: parents' basement, Like it's easy for him to say, duly noted,
Speaker 5: I get it. But I've owned my properties, I've made
Speaker 5: my money and I'm sure those will both come again.
Speaker 5: And I know how fortunate I am to have the
Speaker 5: security of family to lean on so and without them, honestly,
Speaker 5: none of this would be possible. So a huge debt
Speaker 5: to my parents and my family and friends that have
Speaker 5: supported me. But it is accessible to everybody. It's just
Speaker 5: demand it of yourself.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 5: It's really like an analogy of me now being four
Speaker 5: and a half years sober of alcohol, Like, it's really
Speaker 5: really easy for me to stay sober because it's so
Speaker 5: easy to feel good, not wake up hungover, feeling like shit,
Speaker 5: sweating during the day, worrying about having a shit yourself,
Speaker 5: being overweight, being like all of that nasty shit. And
Speaker 5: it's so easy to live a content, happy, blissful, connected
Speaker 5: life because you don't have the stress, anxiety, suicidal ideation.
Speaker 5: You're not stressed out and having road rage, you're not
Speaker 5: yelling at your spouse, you're not pissed at your coworker.
Speaker 5: Is like you really you enjoy life, and when shit
Speaker 5: hits the fan and you have bad shit happen, you
Speaker 5: deal with it. You know that there's a lesson there
Speaker 5: and that you kind of accept it with grace instead
Speaker 5: of being a little crying bitch like I would blame
Speaker 5: in everybody else while being like woe is me, And
Speaker 5: it's like, no.
Speaker 3: You know what, well, that's the easier thing to do,
Speaker 3: you know, it's just the easier thing to do rather
Speaker 3: than dealing with your own shit. You you put it
Speaker 3: on everybody else. You know, it's it's your own circumstances
Speaker 3: is the reason why you're unhappy, and you know, God
Speaker 3: dealt you a shitty hand. It's like, and I'm not
Speaker 3: saying we've all gone through that, you know, obviously we've
Speaker 3: all gone through that. But whenever you can finally shed
Speaker 3: all that off, dude and realize that literally there is
Speaker 3: a switch in your mind that you can just change
Speaker 3: perspectives and it's of course, it's like it's it's simple,
Speaker 3: but the d ain't easy kind of thing, like trying
Speaker 3: to understand what that is. Like here you are, dude,
Speaker 3: you're you're you're in your situation, and you're happier now
Speaker 3: in your situation than when you were big pimping with
Speaker 3: the with the cheese, right, Like.
Speaker 5: Well, that's one of the only things you have control over.
Speaker 5: And I think you said it beautifully that you know
Speaker 5: you do have control over your perspective, and that's damn
Speaker 5: thear one of the only things you do have control over.
Speaker 5: Like you're not going to remove all the ignorance of
Speaker 5: the world or all the assholes. You're not gonna make
Speaker 5: everybody aligned with your way of thinking. You're not and
Speaker 5: not should. You know, it really is a perspective. And
Speaker 5: there's the darkness and the nastiness and the fucked up
Speaker 5: ship that I've seen and I've experienced and got the
Speaker 5: proverbial like girl skull badge or boy scout badge. You know,
Speaker 5: I kind of said, like my soul sashes. The fact
Speaker 5: that I've seen all that ship and in the fact
Speaker 5: that I've had some stories from amazing people that have
Speaker 5: shipped they had dark shit with me any day on
Speaker 5: this other side is a blessing. This. I feel like
Speaker 5: this is my second chance at life and I'm never
Speaker 5: ever ever gonna squander again. I'm never gonna raise my
Speaker 5: voice to another person. I'm never gonna threaten to kill
Speaker 5: a guy like I did before. I'll never I don't know,
Speaker 5: I'll never just and if I have stresses in my
Speaker 5: body and I'm not saying I don't once again I'm
Speaker 5: not some enlightened soul that's got all the shit figured out.
Speaker 5: But you know, if if my foot hurts, I won't
Speaker 5: just I'll untie my shoe and make address it. If
Speaker 5: I'm thirsty, I'll get a drink of water. If I'm
Speaker 5: getting a headache, I'm gonna figure out why. If my
Speaker 5: relationships are going to shit, I'm gonna figure like, I
Speaker 5: won't let anything settle unless you know, I'll listen to
Speaker 5: those those stresses though, those lights where a lot of
Speaker 5: people just put mask and tape over them and don't
Speaker 5: don't deal with them. Where I lean into any anything
Speaker 5: that doesn't make me fucking happy, I have goosebumps. I'm
Speaker 5: kind of being like, well, why the fuck not so
Speaker 5: you way?
Speaker 3: I mean, you've essentially learned the uh, the old adage
Speaker 3: of living in this world and not of this world?
Speaker 5: Then, I'd like to think so. And it's because I
Speaker 5: lost everything too, and again easy for me to say
Speaker 5: there's nothing anybody can take from me because it was
Speaker 5: all lost. I mean, I'm still kind of working from
Speaker 5: ground zero, and fuck it, I've got you know, I'm
Speaker 5: not married, I don't have kids. Well, I don't have
Speaker 5: any homes now, well, my business as I sold, I'm
Speaker 5: I'm a landscape of doing freelance flower work and traveling
Speaker 5: the country. And I just actually, at the end of July,
Speaker 5: I'm traveling from Rhode Island to Oregon to move my
Speaker 5: niece out to college. So like even that, I mean,
Speaker 5: and that just happened last week. So what a beautiful synchronicity. Now, Like,
Speaker 5: what's gonna come out of that beautiful three thousand mile journey?
Speaker 5: I have no idea, but I'm excited as fuck. And
Speaker 5: I'm gonna eat ice cream and drink coffee and.
Speaker 6: Whatever, smokes and good sound like a good time. Oh yeah, dude.
Speaker 6: I'm happy for you, man. I'm glad that you're doing well. Man.
Speaker 7: And from the first time that we interviewed you, I
Speaker 7: was like, Man, this guy, this guy just has an understanding,
Speaker 7: you know, and and I and I hope to one
Speaker 7: day be at that level. Dude, you know, maybe I
Speaker 7: might need to do some d MT.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 7: After Jonathan's experience, it kind of it kind of scared
Speaker 7: me a little bit, So I don't know, we'll see
Speaker 7: what happens.
Speaker 5: Well, that apprehension and that respect and that reverence is needed,
Speaker 5: and I'd much rather have see you have that amount
Speaker 5: of caution than lack of it. And the time may
Speaker 5: never be right, and I would, I definitely want to
Speaker 5: say this to you. You know, listen to your intuition,
Speaker 5: listen to your gut. If it's clearly saying wait, wait
Speaker 5: not time, then absolutely wait not time. But there may
Speaker 5: be a day and you'll whatever, You're brushing your teeth
Speaker 5: and you're like, fuck, today's the day I get a smoke.
Speaker 5: DNT right, And you know, as we're kind of winding down,
Speaker 5: you know, I'm sure you're probably gonna ask, like, you know,
Speaker 5: how people get in touch with me and how to
Speaker 5: contact One of the things I've been saying on a
Speaker 5: lot of the all of my podcasts actually is that
Speaker 5: if anybody does want a free copy of the book,
Speaker 5: you know, I've been sending a ship ton of free
Speaker 5: pedia copy So if any you know, it's not a
Speaker 5: matter of making a couple of books on this, it
Speaker 5: really is. Whatever the next step of my life will be,
Speaker 5: I'll figure that out. But as far as the book,
Speaker 5: I'd be happy to send a free PDF copy If
Speaker 5: anybody wants it, just send me their email and I
Speaker 5: can send that out to you.
Speaker 3: Well if people do want to support you though, I mean,
Speaker 3: do you have it on Amazon or on your website
Speaker 3: or where else would it be?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's it's on where any wherever you can
Speaker 5: get books. So there's a paperback copy, there's an audible version,
Speaker 5: and there's a kindle version, you know, so you can
Speaker 5: you can get it either way. I did recently just
Speaker 5: start a YouTube channel where I started putting all my
Speaker 5: my interviews and some original content. So that's a good
Speaker 5: way of communicating with me. And then Instagram is probably
Speaker 5: the social media that I use most, and I you know,
Speaker 5: I mentioned about the most rewarding aspect of all of
Speaker 5: this is the personal phone calls, emails and messages that
Speaker 5: I've gotten from individuals that that are really going through
Speaker 5: some shit. So, you know, I offer if anybody wants
Speaker 5: to have a personal conversation call email. You know. Again,
Speaker 5: not that I've got all the answers, but if if
Speaker 5: somebody is looking for a reason to spend a give
Speaker 5: one one day on this planet, I can definitely give
Speaker 5: you one if you need it.
Speaker 6: It's fucking awesome.
Speaker 7: Dude, You're You're Adam, You're just an amazing guy, man,
Speaker 7: and I love you.
Speaker 5: I love you too, man. I can say that and
Speaker 5: mean it.
Speaker 7: And by the way, I'm not much of a reader,
Speaker 7: to be honest, and it's kind of embarrassing, you know,
Speaker 7: like I feel like I have dyslexia. But that's probably
Speaker 7: still the last book I read cover to cover, just
Speaker 7: and that's I just picked it up and just kept
Speaker 7: reading it. This is so fucking fascinating field guy.
Speaker 5: It wasn't meant to be some long, deep research thing
Speaker 5: and that and I appreciate you saying that, because that
Speaker 5: was the whole kind of point was not to get
Speaker 5: bogged down and all the ship and each each chapter
Speaker 5: can be read separately. And yeah, there's there's enough big, thick,
Speaker 5: fur hundred page kind of trip reports out there. That's
Speaker 5: not what I wanted to do.
Speaker 6: Oh dude.
Speaker 3: I just bought the the nag Hamadi text with all
Speaker 3: of the Gnostic teachings back from the I think it
Speaker 3: was written in like I don't know the year three
Speaker 3: hundred something, and dude, that is a thick it's like
Speaker 3: eight hundred something pages.
Speaker 4: I was like, damn, I didn't know. Is that read
Speaker 4: eight hundred pages?
Speaker 5: But I'll you guys would love this as far as
Speaker 5: big book actually, if you've got it up right now,
Speaker 5: Manly Hall, Secret Teachings of All Ages.
Speaker 4: Yes, we've read a lot of it actually the show.
Speaker 5: Oh actually, yeah, you had Ronnie Pontiac on ye, that book.
Speaker 5: So i've I've I'm a huge reader, and I would
Speaker 5: say that that book was probably one of the dentist
Speaker 5: But the the wording on it is so tiny in
Speaker 5: the font so tiny. It's like a six hundred page book, but.
Speaker 4: Seven and thirty six pages it says, well, not thinking
Speaker 4: I have.
Speaker 7: There were some chapters in that book where we were like, uh,
Speaker 7: we weren't ready yet, you know, because we were just one.
Speaker 5: Of understanding its seven under thirty six. Yeah that's what
Speaker 5: you just said. Yeah, yeah, fucking nuts man, Yeah, dude, yeah.
Speaker 3: Some of them are really thick, and you know, maybe
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily meant to read cover to cover, especially
Speaker 3: seven hundred and thirty.
Speaker 5: Percent a year to read that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was imagine.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a pretty insane.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean, dude, we love you, man. We
Speaker 3: love having these kinds of conversations. They're very eye opening
Speaker 3: and we can tell that you're sincere and you're genuine
Speaker 3: and we can tell that there's you know, we didn't
Speaker 3: know you back when you were an asshole or a
Speaker 3: douchebag or a drunk fuck or whatever. But you know,
Speaker 3: we can tell that there absolutely has to have been
Speaker 3: some kind of transformation just because dude, the the the
Speaker 3: aura in the essence and the the energy that you
Speaker 3: give off, dude is it's it's immistakable. Like you know
Speaker 3: that everything that you say, you're one hundred percent you like,
Speaker 3: you believe it, you know it. Your your body encompasses it.
Speaker 3: And so we appreciate you.
Speaker 6: Brother.
Speaker 5: Hey, I appreciate that, and I accept that as as
Speaker 5: a compliment and you know before maybe so thank you.
Speaker 5: I appreciate what you guys are doing too, you know,
Speaker 5: I appreciate your content and you're you're getting together a
Speaker 5: good tribal like misfit think is that are talking about
Speaker 5: some deep shit? I love it?
Speaker 4: Fuck yeah, dude, Hey, dude, we don't know, we don't know.
Speaker 3: We're just over here at learning and we always say, dude,
Speaker 3: we're not the teachers by any means. We're just stumbling
Speaker 3: across a lot of information and you know what vibes
Speaker 3: with you keep it whatever doesn't vibe with you. I mean,
Speaker 3: for example, we've had you know, uh, people who make
Speaker 3: Satanic sacrifices to the demons of the Gatia for example.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, maybe that's not for everybody, but it's
Speaker 3: interesting to learn how the whole thing works, you know.
Speaker 3: So you know, it's just about getting all the different
Speaker 3: perspectives and and learning what all is possible. That's really
Speaker 3: what we want to try and encompass on this show.
Speaker 3: So yeah, look, every all the all the one out there.
Speaker 3: Go check out Adam Butler's d MT guide. It's on Amazon.
Speaker 3: As he said, you know, you can always just uh
Speaker 3: just what email you to to get the.
Speaker 5: PI book Books by Adam Butler at Gmail. I just could.
Speaker 5: I've had people just say, listen, I'm broke, I don't
Speaker 5: have the money, but I really like your book, and
Speaker 5: you know, I don't want that to be an obstacle.
Speaker 5: Once again, it takes me two seconds to send an email,
Speaker 5: So what the hell?
Speaker 7: And if I'm not mistaken, is it the first chapter
Speaker 7: that is titled who the fuck.
Speaker 6: Am I it is? I love that question.
Speaker 5: Through all this, I've mentioned that passion like really like
Speaker 5: who I right?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mentioned that a couple.
Speaker 5: Of times, not all of that.
Speaker 6: What a great name for for a chapter.
Speaker 8: I was.
Speaker 6: I was like, oh, I'm gonna like this book already,
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 5: Halfway through the next book, which is more about integration
Speaker 5: and kind of like putting together some of these lessons,
Speaker 5: And I'm starting that book with the same title of
Speaker 5: the first chapter, which is who the fuck am I?
Speaker 5: Because I think it's it's the most important, Like every
Speaker 5: day you should set off with who the fuck am I?
Speaker 5: And don't let anybody push you off that path. But yeah,
Speaker 5: I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, of course, Hell yeah, Sean. Oh did you
Speaker 3: pull that card yet, sir?
Speaker 6: Oh you know I did. We got the Nine of.
Speaker 4: Swords, the Nine of Swods?
Speaker 3: All right, let's see what the Nine of Swods is.
Speaker 3: It is the It says an anxious mind leads to
Speaker 3: restless nights. Explore how you handle worry and stress to
Speaker 3: transform its impact. A challenging and fraught card, the Nine
Speaker 3: of Swords opens the floodgates to anxious thoughts and worries
Speaker 3: that keep you up at night. The figure on this
Speaker 3: card sits upright in bed, alone in darkness, as nine
Speaker 3: swords dangle ominously above her head. Are these swords real
Speaker 3: or are they imagined worst case scenarios? The blanket that
Speaker 3: covers her depicts red roses, symbolic of love, showing that
Speaker 3: there is compassion surrounding her if she would only uncover
Speaker 3: her eyes and see the spiritual message behind it, says
Speaker 3: stress and anxiety are taking a toll on your physical health.
Speaker 3: You may be feeling alone or spending too much time running,
Speaker 3: ruminating about the same things. Journaling, walking in nature, or
Speaker 3: spending time with others can help you work through these
Speaker 3: negative thoughts.
Speaker 6: So all right, we're a little DMT you know, who knows.
Speaker 5: Well, that's to me that that's shadow work that's going
Speaker 5: in seeing these potentially ominous swords hanging over you. But
Speaker 5: knowing that that's you got to lean into that and
Speaker 5: go through it. And to me, you've got to purge
Speaker 5: the stress and anxiety and deal with it and not
Speaker 5: run from it. Yeah, and more than likely you take
Speaker 5: those swords and take them and stick them up her ass, right.
Speaker 7: And more than likely they are are the worst case scenario,
Speaker 7: imagination working against you.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's it. Embrace it.
Speaker 3: No, I think that was a good reading, dude, And uh,
Speaker 3: especially for for those that don't know how to kind
Speaker 3: of get their their mind in line and to work
Speaker 3: for them and not against them, then yeah, those swords
Speaker 3: can they can seem definitely real, and probably more real
Speaker 3: than real if we're talking about the mind here. So yeah, man,
Speaker 3: look we're gonna get into the meditation. Thank you so much,
Speaker 3: Adam for joining us. This was fucking awesome. Every conversation
Speaker 3: we have with you is awesome, and we hope that
Speaker 3: whenever that next book comes out, you come back on him.
Speaker 4: Out of mysteries, my brother, for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe even Crosspaths and I've ice cream together someday.
Speaker 6: Oh dude, say less less.
Speaker 5: All right, guys, I appreciate your time.
Speaker 4: Thank you, all right, brother, We'll see you next time.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: Guys, Adam Butler one of the best, I mean, just you.
Speaker 3: You can just feel it emanating from him. It's it's
Speaker 3: awesome to get that kind of for perspective from somebody
Speaker 3: who's done DMT hundreds of times. I actually said that
Speaker 3: I thought he did it two thousand times, but maybe he's.
Speaker 4: Just lost count.
Speaker 3: Who knows, you know how, I can't imagine there's some
Speaker 3: kind of tally marker that He's like this was the
Speaker 3: first time and this was the ninety ninth time or
Speaker 3: something like that. But either way, I mean, such a
Speaker 3: fascinating perspective and you can see just how it's transformed him.
Speaker 3: So yeah, Sean, And this is why, you know, to
Speaker 3: be honest, this is kind of a reason why we
Speaker 3: talk about DMT a lot, because I know that there's
Speaker 3: like we all know that there's something to it, like
Speaker 3: it's naturally in our body. And and also like for
Speaker 3: the people that think it's it sounds scary or whatever,
Speaker 3: like I want to talk to other people who have
Speaker 3: experienced amazing things and you know, see the transformations in
Speaker 3: them and how they're looking at the world differently and everything.
Speaker 3: So I mean, Sean, after hearing Adam fucking Butler, dude,
Speaker 3: are you more?
Speaker 4: Are you still on the fence? Are you still a
Speaker 4: little habit?
Speaker 7: I'm still in the area of, like I guess I
Speaker 7: haven't really fully been called to do it, you know,
Speaker 7: and so I'm just gonna give it that respect. And
Speaker 7: I like how he said it, and it really made sense,
Speaker 7: you know, like he'd prefer that people would have that
Speaker 7: kind of hesitancy rather than just jumping into it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 7: And I feel like, if I'm meant to, then I will,
Speaker 7: you know, I'll go with the flow.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So yeah, at a moment though, it's like it is
Speaker 6: what it is right.
Speaker 3: Now, as you should with pretty much everything. You know,
Speaker 3: you don't want to rush into anything. You kind of
Speaker 3: want to take your time and get to know it
Speaker 3: a little bit, and you want to wait for the
Speaker 3: right time in your life, because last thing you want
Speaker 3: is to be arguing with somebody you might maybe you
Speaker 3: woke up on the wrong side of the bed, or
Speaker 3: maybe maybe you got fired or some you know, your
Speaker 3: girlfriend or whatever just broke up with you, Like, maybe
Speaker 3: don't do psychedelics on that day, you know. And so
Speaker 3: there's there's a there's a time and a place for it,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 7: But yeah, and I just feel like and I and
Speaker 7: I know and and just from what Adam has said,
Speaker 7: and I believe that it's very therapeutic, you know, And
Speaker 7: but I just, you know, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 7: want it to be that one percent chance where it
Speaker 7: just shatters my reality just a little too much and
Speaker 7: I can't put the pieces back together, you know. And
Speaker 7: I don't know, maybe I would learn from it and
Speaker 7: maybe I could still uh get.
Speaker 6: By and it would end up being a positive thing.
Speaker 7: But I don't know, It's just it's just one of
Speaker 7: those things, man, I feel like you can just go
Speaker 7: a little too far and not be able to put
Speaker 7: it all back together.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean it's a it's a that's my hesitancy.
Speaker 3: It's a healthy hesitation, I would say, sir, So yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: whenever that time's right. And look, this is not like
Speaker 3: a show to try and talk everybody in, to try
Speaker 3: and DMT or that's not ever really the case. It's
Speaker 3: just that, you know, a lot of times psychedelics get
Speaker 3: very demonized, and we like to show the positivity that
Speaker 3: comes from them because the majority of the time, whenever
Speaker 3: you're talking about you know, organic psychedelics, right, like, the
Speaker 3: majority of the time, it's something really profound and awesome
Speaker 3: and great and something that you can apply to your
Speaker 3: life for the rest of your life. So we just
Speaker 3: want to show some of the some of the good
Speaker 3: benefits of it as well. Yeah, that being said, it
Speaker 3: is about time for that meditation, and I got an idea,
Speaker 3: So we're going to get a little crazy.
Speaker 6: I'm ready, man, Hell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, Well, look if Sean, do you have anything
Speaker 3: else you want to add before we get into that meditation?
Speaker 7: Oh man, I'm good. I hope that everybody enjoyed the
Speaker 7: episode and maybe you got something from it.
Speaker 6: I know I did. And uh yeah, man, I.
Speaker 7: Thought it was a great episode. I just love talking
Speaker 7: to Adam. Something about his voice. Man, it just sets
Speaker 7: me at ease. I almost forgot I was one of
Speaker 7: the hosts, you know, I was just like sitting there
Speaker 7: listening to them.
Speaker 6: You know. It's it was a fun one.
Speaker 4: Oh dude.
Speaker 3: Whenever information like that is coming through, it's easy to
Speaker 3: get caught in a trance. You know, you're just soaked,
Speaker 3: like just sucked in right there. So yeah, I guess
Speaker 3: we're gonna get to that meditation. That was a very
Speaker 3: interesting terror reading as well, Sean, And so yeah, I
Speaker 3: guess we're gonna end it right here. And what we
Speaker 3: like to say is is that if Adam Butler came
Speaker 3: here and he taught you anything, it's that.
Speaker 4: You don't know what you don't know.
Speaker 6: So don't just get weird. Stay weird.
Speaker 2: Opens inside mine ordinary form because color swell and stars line.
Speaker 6: In the mysteries, you'll find all right.
Speaker 3: That was a very interesting meditation, Sean, you have anything?
Speaker 4: Wow, it happened there, sir, Uh, you.
Speaker 7: Know nothing, wild man. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 7: Maybe because we've been meditating now for a while. You know,
Speaker 7: when we first started, I felt like I would have
Speaker 7: these profound experiences. I remember having like flashes of light,
Speaker 7: you know, or just certain things happening that have never
Speaker 7: happened to me before. And now I just feel that
Speaker 7: I might just need longer meditations, you know.
Speaker 6: You know, maybe you developed some.
Speaker 7: Sort of oh, what's the word, like a immunity, you know,
Speaker 7: and so now you have to meditate for longer periods
Speaker 7: of time. So and then I feel like that's why
Speaker 7: I probably have more profound experiences when I'm trying to
Speaker 7: go to sleep, you know, because I stay aware that
Speaker 7: I'm like, i'll close my eyes, but I just stay
Speaker 7: completely aware.
Speaker 6: And that's when, like when I'm.
Speaker 7: Laying there for like thirty forty minutes, that's when something
Speaker 7: will happen that's like super strange.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 7: Like the other night, I had this weird it looked
Speaker 7: like a giant kind of like that image, but it
Speaker 7: was just the pupil, you know, just the you know,
Speaker 7: the center part and that's all I could really see,
Speaker 7: and it was kind of faint, you know, but it
Speaker 7: was obvious what I was looking at. And the thought
Speaker 7: I had was like, because I want to say, I
Speaker 7: actually kind of woke up, but I kept my eyes
Speaker 7: closed and I was aware, and it felt like I
Speaker 7: was observing consciousness, you know, like it was just like
Speaker 7: staring at me, like, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 7: what that was. But I don't know, man, I feel
Speaker 7: like I just need longer meditations anymore to really have
Speaker 7: any kind of profound experience.
Speaker 6: If you will, I.
Speaker 4: Say less, we'll do some longer ones. You want to
Speaker 4: start going.
Speaker 6: Twenty might have to you, man, my have to. I'll
Speaker 6: turn off the light and everything. Man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was That was only twelve minutes, which is
Speaker 3: usually around about where we liked. I don't know, it's
Speaker 3: just I'll be honest with you, dude. I actually thought
Speaker 3: that that was a lot longer. Like I thought that
Speaker 3: it went longer in that meditation that we do all
Speaker 3: the other ones. I thought that we were going to
Speaker 3: be at like whenever I opened my eyes, I was like, dude,
Speaker 3: for sure, we're going.
Speaker 4: To be at least seventeen eighteen right now.
Speaker 3: Oh really, yeah, Like it just felt like it was
Speaker 3: so long and in depth, and I had like a
Speaker 3: bunch of like weird things that were shown up to me,
Speaker 3: which one of them was really strange. I actually uh
Speaker 3: in in that meditation out randomly out of nowhere.
Speaker 4: I wasn't thinking about it. I just saw it where
Speaker 4: it was like.
Speaker 3: An like a video image of me like throwing up
Speaker 3: some kind of yellow like acidly, like.
Speaker 4: I don't know, puke or it was almost like I
Speaker 4: was purging.
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, that's interesting that I would
Speaker 3: see that in a DMT meditation. You know, it's like
Speaker 3: very ayahuasca Like I was like, that's crazy. I wasn't
Speaker 3: I wasn't even thinking about that at all, and here
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 4: It just showed itself to me. So that's some kind
Speaker 4: of purging thing.
Speaker 7: Oh, things like that happened where you're not even expecting it,
Speaker 7: you know, like it's just like out of nowhere.
Speaker 6: You're like, what was that, you know, even if it's
Speaker 6: just for a second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I mean there were some other things
Speaker 3: like so have you ever seen Limitless with Bradley Cooper?
Speaker 4: Yep, so in the beginning or.
Speaker 6: I'm remember that.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So in the beginning of the movie, it was
Speaker 3: like like a lot of other movies, but it looks
Speaker 3: like like a car or somebody or something is like
Speaker 3: moving really fast through a through a very busy city,
Speaker 3: right yep. And it's like you're only you're only getting
Speaker 3: blurs on on either side, and it just looks like
Speaker 3: you're moving like the flash, you know. And that's what
Speaker 3: it kind of felt like that I was. It felt
Speaker 3: like I was in like New York City. Maybe it
Speaker 3: was because of the sounds or whatever, but it felt
Speaker 3: like I was moving through alleys and the city and
Speaker 3: it it was like Groundhog Day for every like repetitive sound.
Speaker 3: It was like, oh, I already went to sleep and
Speaker 3: now I'm waking up. I'm having to go back to work,
Speaker 3: bang on a hammer, I'm having to do all this
Speaker 3: And it was just very repetitive and and mundane almost,
Speaker 3: and and then it it was like then I would
Speaker 3: you know, I was listening to the elevator pitch to
Speaker 3: it too, so it was like amplifying and it was
Speaker 3: like it was more of the same, but like more
Speaker 3: inclusive or more information And maybe maybe it was like
Speaker 3: me like growing in my spiritual process or whatever. Maybe
Speaker 3: I'm just becoming more aware of whatever goes on in
Speaker 3: my normal daily life. And it seemed like to be
Speaker 3: progressing at a weird at a weird rate. But it
Speaker 3: was like strange because I've never even been to New
Speaker 3: York City, and so why would I think that I
Speaker 3: was in New York City, you know, And.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Wild shit happens in meditations, like and sometimes if you
Speaker 3: just I mean, yeah, you can kind of guide your
Speaker 3: meditations a little bit. Maybe you want to get a
Speaker 3: little imaginative and try and be like, Okay, you know,
Speaker 3: I want to go see Garrick the fucking Leprechaun or
Speaker 3: something like that, right, which is pretty cool, you know,
Speaker 3: because what happens with those where you kind of have
Speaker 3: an angle where you want to go. It's cool because
Speaker 3: you almost start the fire and your subconscious like builds it,
Speaker 3: you know, which is really cool. It'll almost just like
Speaker 3: take take hold itself. And then there's other times where
Speaker 3: it's like, all right, you know what, I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: go into as deep as a trance as I can
Speaker 3: possibly be in, and whatever wants to show itself to me,
Speaker 3: whatever thought wants to present itself to me. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: allow it, you know, and just and just see, just
Speaker 3: be the observer, like I'm not even this person or
Speaker 3: anything like, I'm just the observer. I'm the I'm the
Speaker 3: awareness of this person. Which is cool because actually last night,
Speaker 3: strangely enough, I feel like I always talk about, like
Speaker 3: what I thought about last night whenever I was baked
Speaker 3: in my bed, But this was another experience where last
Speaker 3: night I was laying in my bed super baked, right,
Speaker 3: and which is where a lot of my brainstorming happens,
Speaker 3: like for the next day. Like normally I'll brainstorm and
Speaker 3: then I take something from that and that'll apply to
Speaker 3: the next yeah, the next episode or a direction of
Speaker 3: an episode that I want to go to or whatever.
Speaker 3: And I actually recorded myself on voice memos because I
Speaker 3: didn't have the energy to write it down.
Speaker 6: Hey, at least you did that, man, good shit.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I want to try and see if it'll
Speaker 3: pick up on the mic.
Speaker 4: Oh interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I recorded it at three o'clock in the morning on
Speaker 3: the dot and it was one minute and eleven seconds.
Speaker 6: Of course.
Speaker 4: All right, so let me know if you can hear this.
Speaker 4: Hold on, let me turn it all the way up
Speaker 4: real quick.
Speaker 6: Here we go, mind, Oh we aren't. Here we go, dude.
Speaker 9: We are the higher mind. We are not the body.
Speaker 9: We're just aware of it and can influence it. But
Speaker 9: if you look at yourself from the higher mind, then
Speaker 9: the body itself is not just a body anymore.
Speaker 5: It's something someone.
Speaker 9: That you can adore because you know that you're looking
Speaker 9: after it, like you're looking not even after the body,
Speaker 9: like I don't even say it, you're looking.
Speaker 4: After the person.
Speaker 9: So it allows you to it even admire yourself because
Speaker 9: you want to love and nourish and do all the
Speaker 9: good things for yourself, you know, good mental health and
Speaker 9: good love life and good work ethic and maintaining things
Speaker 9: that you know that your person needs. That's a good
Speaker 9: way of saying it. It's your person. Wow, that's pretty neat.
Speaker 9: So yeah, just be of a higher mind and love and.
Speaker 5: Nurture your person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it. And so that's what I was.
Speaker 3: I was like, holy shit, that's so crazy, because you know,
Speaker 3: we look at our kids and want we want to
Speaker 3: care for them and tech them, and we always want
Speaker 3: to look out for their best interests and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: But if we just turned that around and looked at
Speaker 3: ourselves as if like we are the higher mind, and
Speaker 3: look at your person. You're you, right, not as if
Speaker 3: it's you, but it's a person that you're looking out
Speaker 3: for kind of thing. Now, it's like, you know, it
Speaker 3: gets you out of that selfish kind of mindset, and
Speaker 3: now you only want what's best for this person. So
Speaker 3: you're not gonna be talking shit about that person. You're
Speaker 3: not going to be, you know, doing all of the
Speaker 3: negative things or putting your person in any kind of bad, uh,
Speaker 3: whatever kind of experience. Right, Like, you always just want
Speaker 3: the best for your person. And I thought about that
Speaker 3: and I was like, holy fuck, that's the secret.
Speaker 4: I got it figured out.
Speaker 6: Wow, And then oh I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could even hear whenever I was like, wow,
Speaker 3: that's the best way to put at your person. That's
Speaker 3: how you know you're baked whenever you like blow your own.
Speaker 7: Mind, right, dude. No, I love it, Dude. I might
Speaker 7: have to start smoking weed again. I don't know, because
Speaker 7: I miss those those times, you know, because just having
Speaker 7: those profound thoughts that you know, and who knows if
Speaker 7: it's any good the next day. But no, I feel
Speaker 7: like that was that was really good because it's really hard, uh,
Speaker 7: for for people to or for myself anyways, to look
Speaker 7: at myself in a in a the best way possible,
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. We're always shit talking ourselves,
Speaker 7: you know, and for whatever reason, that's the deep fault.
Speaker 7: And I don't understand. Maybe it's the uh survival type
Speaker 7: of thing. I'm not too sure. But but when you
Speaker 7: look at yourself, imagine you are standing in.
Speaker 6: Front of it.
Speaker 7: That's weird, kind of like how Adam was talking about
Speaker 7: his future self, you know, approaching him, and imagine you
Speaker 7: looking at yourself and you know what that person which
Speaker 7: is you, has been through, you know you, and and
Speaker 7: have empathy and love for that for that person, and
Speaker 7: even give yourself like a hug, you know what I mean. Like,
Speaker 7: it's just so much easier, it seems like, for whatever reason,
Speaker 7: to to shit talk yourself or or to feel less
Speaker 7: than But if you were looking at yourself from outside
Speaker 7: of yourself, it's a different ball game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, So yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking.
Speaker 3: And so I don't know, maybe you can apply of it.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just crazy, who knows.
Speaker 6: But I love that you recorded it though. Yeah, thank
Speaker 6: you for that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, Yeah, I'll try and make a wow.
Speaker 4: Like Owen Owen Wilson.
Speaker 6: Right wow.
Speaker 4: But uh but yeah, that was fun anyway.
Speaker 3: Look, that was an awesome conversation with Adam Butler as
Speaker 3: all as it always is, and uh, I can't wait
Speaker 3: to do it again. But yeah, I guess until next time,
Speaker 3: we will see y'all on the flip side, I guess.
Speaker 1: Voices drift on winds untae.
Speaker 5: Words like spells.
Speaker 6: That can't be named.
Speaker 1: Close your eyes and feel the sound journey where no
Speaker 1: bounds are bound.
Speaker 2: Doors inside to mind, leave the ordinary far behind. The
Speaker 2: colors swell, and stars alive. In the mental mysteries, you'll
Speaker 2: find
Speaker 6: H