WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.279 I got a ten second out take that you that 2 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:04.960 you could use or not use, and James, you may 3 00:00:05.040 --> 00:00:07.320 want to add to it, but I can't resist. And 4 00:00:07.360 --> 00:00:11.000 it goes like this, Segway juice. James, did you really 5 00:00:11.039 --> 00:00:14.240 just say Segway juice? I think it's an instant classic. 6 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:19.519 Okay, all right, trot that in. If you please, ask. 7 00:00:19.559 --> 00:00:24.280 Not what your country can do for you, ask what 8 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:26.839 you can do for your country. 9 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:30.519 Mister gorbut you'll tear down this wall. 10 00:00:31.879 --> 00:00:34.280 It's the Rickorshe Podcast with Steven Hayward and Journals a 11 00:00:34.280 --> 00:00:35.079 CW of cook. 12 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:36.000 I'm James Lilax. 13 00:00:36.079 --> 00:00:38.560 Today we talked to our old friend with Victor Davis Hansley. 14 00:00:38.679 --> 00:00:43.840 So Lett's as the Golden Age of America begins right. 15 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:51.479 Now, you're gonna do a sig hail. 16 00:00:52.200 --> 00:00:56.200 You're gonna do a hail Hitler or there rebrand a 17 00:00:56.320 --> 00:01:02.439 Roman salute from behind the residential seal of the United 18 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:05.879 States of America. 19 00:01:06.079 --> 00:01:06.519 It's on. 20 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:08.680 It's on. 21 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:12.879 Welcome everybody. It's the Brickashet Podcast, number seven hundred and 22 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:16.120 twenty five. I'm James Lilx in Minneapolis, where it's not 23 00:01:16.400 --> 00:01:19.319 thirty two below, you know, for a change, which is nice. 24 00:01:19.439 --> 00:01:21.280 And I'm speaking with Charles C. W. Cook, who was 25 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:24.480 in Florida, and Stephen Hayward, who I assume is in California. 26 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:28.519 Correct me if I'm wrong, Yes, correct, Good. Going through 27 00:01:28.519 --> 00:01:31.599 the list of executive orders here, finding there's a lot 28 00:01:31.599 --> 00:01:34.519 to like. I mean, a number one hundred and ninety eight, 29 00:01:34.599 --> 00:01:38.920 for example, decrees that Starbucks Shell in the future use small, medium, 30 00:01:39.000 --> 00:01:40.680 and large for their sizing nomenclature. 31 00:01:40.760 --> 00:01:41.200 I like that. 32 00:01:41.280 --> 00:01:44.560 I think it's overdue. This one surprised me. One fifty 33 00:01:44.599 --> 00:01:47.239 four stated that it shall be the policy of the 34 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:51.159 United States Government going forward that all Sherlock Holmes reboots 35 00:01:51.159 --> 00:01:55.120 shall be set in eighteen eighties London, which I again 36 00:01:55.519 --> 00:01:57.719 a plot. Now, a lot of people are looking at 37 00:01:57.760 --> 00:02:00.400 these things and they're they're they're horrified by this. But 38 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:02.680 then you look and you say, well, wait a minute. Here, 39 00:02:03.040 --> 00:02:06.840 I thought. I thought Bold's persistent experimentation was the was 40 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:09.080 the hallmark of a political genius and a great leader. 41 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:11.360 We used to talk about one hundred days. I think 42 00:02:11.400 --> 00:02:13.159 in the future they're going to be talking about one 43 00:02:13.199 --> 00:02:14.120 hundred minutes. 44 00:02:14.759 --> 00:02:15.000 Yeah. 45 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:18.240 So how's it going so far for you guys? 46 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:19.800 It's going great. 47 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:24.120 I mean, I can't I can't believe the speed and 48 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:26.680 the depth and the reach, also the care. I have 49 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:29.479 to say a lot of these, James, I mean, I 50 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:32.000 have my own jokes, such as the executive order I 51 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:35.319 want to see firing Kathleen Kennedy from overseeing Star Wars 52 00:02:35.599 --> 00:02:37.080 and removing the prequels. 53 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:37.919 And sequels from the cannon. 54 00:02:37.960 --> 00:02:40.319 But aside from that, there are a lot of these have 55 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:42.599 clauses in there to try and make them bulletproof from 56 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:45.000 legal challenge, and some of them will fail at that, 57 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:47.120 but they really put the care into them, unlike the 58 00:02:47.120 --> 00:02:50.080 first ones, you know, four years ago, when I guess 59 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.759 what's eight years ago now, when Trump was so they 60 00:02:53.800 --> 00:02:55.479 didn't quite know what they were doing, and things fell 61 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:57.759 apart really fast in some cases. So no, it's been 62 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:00.639 breathtaking to watch. And I mean to say, I'll just 63 00:03:00.719 --> 00:03:05.599 add as a general observation that you know, you use 64 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:09.199 the old Roosevelt phrase, James so Bold, persistent experimentation. And 65 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:11.639 you've seen the build up of executive power over the years, 66 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:15.199 which is something the Democratic Party and liberals favored. So 67 00:03:15.280 --> 00:03:18.039 now they're getting a taste of their own favorite medicine, 68 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:19.520 and I hope they get it good and hard. 69 00:03:19.840 --> 00:03:22.520 Charles, I know that you, like me, probably share the 70 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:27.719 opinion that the issue of how much pressure is in 71 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.240 your shower head should not be a matter for the 72 00:03:30.240 --> 00:03:31.439 president to address. 73 00:03:31.919 --> 00:03:32.000 That. 74 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:33.879 A lot of these things that we're talking about, we 75 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:37.800 wish were legislative in nature, so that they couldn't be overturned, 76 00:03:37.800 --> 00:03:40.439 and that they would also express the will of the 77 00:03:40.439 --> 00:03:43.199 people and the government and system that we have to 78 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:47.840 enact them. That said, how do you feel about all 79 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:50.240 of this feeling, of course, being the most important thing 80 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:51.159 of our era. 81 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:56.319 Well, the vast majority of the orders are in areas 82 00:03:56.360 --> 00:04:00.280 that Congress has delegated. Now, it shouldn't have delegated in 83 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:02.039 as many areas as it has. I wish we had 84 00:04:02.039 --> 00:04:04.560 a system that were different. But it is not a 85 00:04:04.639 --> 00:04:08.400 problem for presidents to come in and set policy in 86 00:04:08.479 --> 00:04:11.000 cases where Congress has said the Secretary chal or the 87 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:14.719 Department shar or the president. And when we're talking about 88 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:20.920 the ev mandate or shower pressure or DEI or the 89 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:26.480 Paris Climate Accords or most of this, the Congress has 90 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:29.519 given too much power to the executive. So you can't 91 00:04:29.600 --> 00:04:31.600 do what I've seen on the left, which is to say, well, 92 00:04:31.639 --> 00:04:34.639 I thought you guys didn't like executive orders, Well, we don't. 93 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:38.680 But the problem with executive orders is when they usurp 94 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:42.120 congressional power. This is not the instability that it creates 95 00:04:42.120 --> 00:04:44.360 as a problem, but that's on Congress's head, not on 96 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:49.079 the president's head. I have an issue with two of 97 00:04:49.079 --> 00:04:52.439 the executive orders because they don't fall into that category. 98 00:04:52.639 --> 00:04:56.519 One is the TikTok order, which I think is flatly illegal. 99 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.680 The president does not have the power to delay for 100 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:03.399 seven five days, it's ninety and not on the grounds 101 00:05:03.399 --> 00:05:06.800 that he's delayed. You can only delay when there is 102 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:10.680 a bio under contract with a written agreement that needs 103 00:05:10.680 --> 00:05:12.319 a little more time to be finalized. 104 00:05:12.399 --> 00:05:13.319 That's not the case. 105 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:18.240 And I think that the executive order redefining the meaning 106 00:05:18.240 --> 00:05:24.480 of the fourteenth Amendment when it comes to birthright citizenship 107 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:27.800 is just going to be struck down, and in my view, 108 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:32.920 probably should be. But other than that, these have been 109 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:36.519 good because they have stayed within the law and they 110 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:38.879 are solid on the merits. And one of the most 111 00:05:39.240 --> 00:05:43.079 interesting things about this is probably the lack of pushback 112 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:47.720 from the left. Instead, they've been talking about Elon Mask's 113 00:05:47.839 --> 00:05:51.800 supposed Nazi salute. Because if you look at the substance 114 00:05:51.800 --> 00:05:56.560 of almost everything Trump has done here. It's popular, it's 115 00:05:56.600 --> 00:06:02.480 seventy thirty. These are not eso aims. These are not 116 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:07.560 representative of overreads. This is not what happened to Joe Biden, 117 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:12.120 where he became president narrowly. Then John Meacham told him 118 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:14.079 he was FDR, and all of a sudden he's talking 119 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:17.079 about reconstituting the entire country and spending six to ten 120 00:06:17.120 --> 00:06:20.040 trillion dollars. These are common sense moves that should have 121 00:06:20.040 --> 00:06:21.920 been done a long time ago. So I'm very happy 122 00:06:21.920 --> 00:06:24.439 with with the couple of exceptions that I mentioned. And 123 00:06:24.480 --> 00:06:27.600 I'm excluding from this discussion pardons, which is a separate topic. 124 00:06:28.160 --> 00:06:30.639 Right Well, you know, I think I I think I've 125 00:06:30.639 --> 00:06:34.480 maybe dissent from Charles. Maybe I'm not sure. We disagree 126 00:06:34.480 --> 00:06:36.199 on the issue, but on the legal status of the 127 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:39.040 birthright citizenship business. Let me put it in this terms. 128 00:06:40.319 --> 00:06:43.360 As we know, Trump once again put Andrew Jackson's picture 129 00:06:43.399 --> 00:06:45.480 up in the cabinet room, and he's our other jack 130 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:49.120 Trump's our other great Jacksonian president. It's worth reading, and 131 00:06:49.160 --> 00:06:52.439 it's something I teach the students. Jackson's veto message of 132 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:56.680 the Second National Bank of the United States. 133 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:57.560 Which he wrote himself. It's very compelling. 134 00:06:57.680 --> 00:07:00.600 Lincoln liked a quote from it, and Jackson said, essentially, 135 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:02.759 I don't care if the Supreme Court has said the 136 00:07:02.839 --> 00:07:05.759 National Bank of the United States is constitutional. I think 137 00:07:05.759 --> 00:07:08.160 it's unconstitutional. And I have to say with a veto, 138 00:07:08.399 --> 00:07:10.759 which is a little different legally true than what Trump's 139 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:15.439 doing here. But then Jackson added a very good sentence 140 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:17.319 that I think now we should bear in mind. He 141 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:21.680 says Supreme Court opinions should only be given the respect 142 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:24.839 that the force of their logic and reasoning compels us 143 00:07:24.879 --> 00:07:26.800 to recognize. In other words, he's saying is if their 144 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:30.560 reasoning is not plausible, I think the other branches of government, 145 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:33.800 me and Congress ought to contest them for it. So, 146 00:07:34.360 --> 00:07:36.199 you know, we only have that one case on the 147 00:07:36.199 --> 00:07:39.680 birthright citizenship question from the eighteen nineties. That what is 148 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:43.040 a de Wong Arkwong and Wong arc case. And I 149 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:45.759 will go into the details of it now. But the 150 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:50.040 last clause of the fourteenth Amendment says Congress shall what 151 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:53.759 does it say Congress shall enforce this amendment with appropriate legislation, 152 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:56.800 So maybe Congress can pass a law saying we believe 153 00:07:56.839 --> 00:07:59.720 birthright citizenship should be done legally in the US, just 154 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:01.839 like a done in almost all of our peer countries 155 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:03.639 in Europe, where at least one parent has to be 156 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.639 a legal resident. Now, maybe a Supreme Court would strike 157 00:08:06.680 --> 00:08:08.199 it down, but I don't think it's the end of 158 00:08:08.240 --> 00:08:11.000 the story. So I think that there is some room 159 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:14.480 for legitimate argument and maybe a change in the legal 160 00:08:14.519 --> 00:08:16.680 regime short of a constitutional amendment. 161 00:08:16.839 --> 00:08:19.680 And does so mini lecture, Yeah, I would just push 162 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:21.560 back on a couple of things that First off, the 163 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:24.120 Andrew Jackson coat is an interesting one. I agree, but 164 00:08:24.439 --> 00:08:26.759 there is a slight difference between the Supreme Court saying 165 00:08:27.240 --> 00:08:30.759 the federal government may do this constitutionally and saying it 166 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:34.679 has to. And Jackson was vetoing a law that would 167 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:38.679 have created a bank that the federal government was allowed 168 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:41.639 to create, but he didn't have to create it. Congress 169 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:44.240 didn't have to generate that bank. The difference here is 170 00:08:44.279 --> 00:08:46.639 an under existing Supreme Court President, and I take your 171 00:08:46.639 --> 00:08:50.240 point about it perhaps being less clear cut than people say. 172 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:56.039 The Supreme Court has ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment mandates 173 00:08:56.159 --> 00:08:59.799 that's the argument, at least that it mandates this birthright citizenship. 174 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:04.799 The second thing is I'm open to the notion that 175 00:09:05.279 --> 00:09:08.679 Congress could do this given that text within the fourteenth moment. 176 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:12.279 I've heard that from some others, but it didn't And 177 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:14.639 I still think that's the issue with the executive order 178 00:09:14.720 --> 00:09:16.759 is that this isn't an act of Congress. This is 179 00:09:16.919 --> 00:09:22.879 trying to change that understanding via edict. So I think 180 00:09:22.919 --> 00:09:26.279 this is likely to get struck down. Even if the 181 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:29.440 congressional option you mentioned is a possibility, that's not what 182 00:09:29.519 --> 00:09:32.039 the courts are being asked to examine. 183 00:09:32.320 --> 00:09:34.960 Well, gentlemen, all I know, here's the dot. I don't 184 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:36.799 think ten years ago we would have been looking at 185 00:09:36.840 --> 00:09:40.720 executive orders it said, okay, there are two sexes and 186 00:09:40.759 --> 00:09:42.879 you have to go to the office to work. 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And 228 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:53.879 we thank bamboo hr for sponsoring this the Ricochet Podcast. 229 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:58.399 And now we welcome back to the podcast Victor Davis Hansen, 230 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:01.559 the Martin and eli adsers and senior fellow, the author 231 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.519 of many books, but perhaps the most pertinent might be 232 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:10.279 The Dying Citizen. How progressive elites, tribalism and globalization are 233 00:12:10.279 --> 00:12:13.279 destroying the idea of America and also the case for Trump. Victor, 234 00:12:13.320 --> 00:12:16.519 welcome back. Thank you for having me the idea of America. 235 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:19.279 We've seen a change over our lifetimes everybody has. Of 236 00:12:19.279 --> 00:12:21.000 course in this country, it does, but there are still 237 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:24.960 elemental core portions that we do not wish to lose 238 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:28.519 or we become a different place. What's the progress now? 239 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:32.159 Have we just bought some time here or have we 240 00:12:32.519 --> 00:12:38.799 accelerated the transmutation of America into something else? Or well 241 00:12:38.799 --> 00:12:39.919 the empire strike back. 242 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:45.360 I think we're seeing over the last four years this 243 00:12:45.559 --> 00:12:49.840 manifestation of what the left dreams were on a variety 244 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.639 of front and they've failed. So it's not just Trump 245 00:12:54.159 --> 00:12:57.600 has the corrective, he thinks, but people were starting to 246 00:12:57.639 --> 00:13:02.759 come to consensus that not only it didn't work the 247 00:13:02.840 --> 00:13:06.200 leftist project, but they were no longer immune from the 248 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:09.440 consequences of their own ideology. And I'm just referencing here 249 00:13:09.440 --> 00:13:13.600 in California the fire they break down in fire prevention, 250 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:20.960 timber management, forest management, chaparral management, insurance management, DEI, etc. 251 00:13:22.039 --> 00:13:25.519 And then when Trump gave that talk yesterday to Dobbos, 252 00:13:25.600 --> 00:13:27.320 I thought they were going to their heads were going 253 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:31.159 to explode when he called you know, fuel liquid gold, 254 00:13:31.440 --> 00:13:34.000 and he said that it was a new green scam. 255 00:13:34.799 --> 00:13:38.080 And if you look at the transcript of the questions 256 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:42.919 by all these bankers it was amazing. Instead of getting 257 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.039 angry at him, it was are you sure you're going 258 00:13:45.120 --> 00:13:47.200 to do this? You're really going to give us natural 259 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:50.559 you can? We can count on you to green light 260 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.559 liquid national gas. You really want to lower interest rates, 261 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:58.000 you wanted to deregulate. It was almost as if he 262 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.399 was talking to the tech people here in the United States, 263 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.679 and it was the same thing. He basically told the 264 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:08.879 tech people. Look, I don't know what your views are 265 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:11.240 and redistribution. I don't know what they are in taxes, 266 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:13.840 but I do know you don't like people regulating you 267 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:17.159 to death and telling you what to do. And I 268 00:14:17.200 --> 00:14:20.559 can use you to make us all money. I mean, 269 00:14:20.559 --> 00:14:23.799 there's dangers in that, but he's basically telling and reason 270 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:31.240 and Musk and Bezos go to AI, cryptocurrency, artificial intelligence, 271 00:14:31.320 --> 00:14:34.919 bioengineering and be the best and we're going to be 272 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:37.240 benefit of that. And if your tries to screws you 273 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:40.320 over and says, well, your tax rates are too low, 274 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:42.120 so we're going to make up the difference and take 275 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:46.200 the revenue. Then I'm like Biden, who approved of that 276 00:14:46.279 --> 00:14:48.679 because he wanted to make up the revenue over here 277 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:52.600 and increase to thirty percent. Trump said, try it and 278 00:14:52.639 --> 00:14:55.279 see what happens to you. So he's actually and so 279 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.720 I think a lot of people look at the last 280 00:14:58.759 --> 00:15:02.480 four bid years as a and they had in a 281 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:05.399 weird strange way, it was almost faded or better than 282 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:11.120 Trump sat out those four years because he honed his message. 283 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:13.720 He got a great deal of empathy from the law 284 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:17.519 fair all the stuff he went through. But most importantly 285 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:20.679 we got to see in the raw a full fledged 286 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:26.240 left wing Jacobin agenda, and it terrified people on the border, 287 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:30.120 on crime, on hyperinflation, on Afghanistan, and the Middle East 288 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:34.679 two wars. So I think for a while at least, 289 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:38.159 that effort is almost over with. I think the Europeans, 290 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:42.559 who had almost the same GDP as we did twenty 291 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:45.919 five years ago and now we're almost double, they know it. 292 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:52.039 And when Trump gave that talk, it was almost as if, well, 293 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:53.919 we knew this, but we had to go along with 294 00:15:53.960 --> 00:15:56.200 Biden because you're the leader. And now we don't have 295 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:57.440 to go along with him anymore. 296 00:15:58.120 --> 00:15:58.759 This is great. 297 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:02.120 We don't like you, but maybe we can all make 298 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:05.919 money and survived the Chinese Victor. 299 00:16:05.960 --> 00:16:10.080 It's Steve Hayward, just over the coastal mountains from you, Hi, say, 300 00:16:10.320 --> 00:16:12.759 my mind runs back to your terrific book from was 301 00:16:12.759 --> 00:16:14.840 it twenty eighteen called The Case for Trump. 302 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:16.759 Yeah, and you. 303 00:16:16.679 --> 00:16:19.159 Know, one of the analogies you used or images you 304 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:21.279 used in that book and then your talks back then, 305 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:24.440 was as you compared Trump to one of the sort 306 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:27.159 of the rough heroes of say, the old John Ford movies, 307 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:29.559 who the villagers want to go clean out the crooks 308 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:31.799 because he's got the will and the strength to do it. 309 00:16:31.840 --> 00:16:33.919 But then once he's done, you know, he's a dangerous 310 00:16:33.919 --> 00:16:35.480 guy ever around, and you sort of shove him out 311 00:16:35.480 --> 00:16:41.200 of town and so forth. I'm wondering two part question, Well, actually, yeah, two. 312 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:41.759 And a half. 313 00:16:42.279 --> 00:16:46.360 I can't I'm astounded at Trump's comeback. I'm stupefied by it. 314 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.159 I can't think of a and you know more ancient 315 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:51.080 history than I do. I mean, it's way beyond the 316 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:53.360 magnitude of Nixon's come back in the sixties, which was 317 00:16:53.440 --> 00:16:56.759 very impressive. And so here we are with Trump, who 318 00:16:56.799 --> 00:16:59.919 now is the highest approval ratings he's ever had because 319 00:17:00.000 --> 00:17:03.840 issue positions are popular, and so I'm wondering, are we 320 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:06.319 going to need a sequel from you called The Triumph 321 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.759 of Trump? And what do you make of the of 322 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:09.440 this comeback? 323 00:17:10.319 --> 00:17:14.240 Well, you're very precient, because this week I signed a 324 00:17:14.240 --> 00:17:19.359 contract with Basic Books for Trump Phoenix, Trump, Trump. 325 00:17:19.240 --> 00:17:19.640 We Booted. 326 00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:20.920 They're going to come up with the title, but I 327 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:22.920 only have I have to write one hundred and twenty 328 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:27.119 thousand words in four months, So I'm working on it, 329 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:29.640 and I agree with you. I've been looking at comebacks 330 00:17:29.680 --> 00:17:33.680 both American. There's nothing like it in American history, and 331 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:36.519 the other comebacks don't. Do you know one hundred Days 332 00:17:36.519 --> 00:17:41.640 of Napoleon are Churchill's closest. I think he was complete 333 00:17:42.920 --> 00:17:46.559 an outsider and had no future until nineteen forty. 334 00:17:46.839 --> 00:17:47.000 But. 335 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.000 There's not I'm kind of worried because you know, every 336 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:53.680 remake Shane too, and all those didn't go very well 337 00:17:53.720 --> 00:17:58.079 because once the tragic hero has saved the Sawdbusters or 338 00:17:58.079 --> 00:18:01.640 whoever they are, and then he rides off wounded into 339 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:05.000 the sunset, they don't really want him to come back. 340 00:18:05.039 --> 00:18:06.920 But in this case it's. 341 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:07.480 A second victory. 342 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:09.880 I mean, I'm more of a political scientist in his story. 343 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.119 And the typical cycle of presidence is or second terms 344 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:15.960 are bad. Yeah, I think Trump, like everything else, has 345 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:17.680 turned out on his head. I think he already had 346 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:20.519 a second term. I think his first term was. It's 347 00:18:20.559 --> 00:18:24.000 sort of some larger metaphysical sense, and this feels like 348 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:26.000 a first term to me, doesn't It feels a lot 349 00:18:26.039 --> 00:18:27.200 more like it does one. 350 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.039 Right, Yeah, I think part of is we're kind of bewildered. 351 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:32.559 We've never seen this in the modern era. We saw 352 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:37.279 we read about Wilver Cleveland, whose second comeback was I 353 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.519 think better than his first, or at least as good. 354 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.240 But we've never seen this before, and it sounds like 355 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:46.359 to me, this is kind of his first term, as 356 00:18:46.359 --> 00:18:50.359 you've said, and with the advantage that he's been there before. 357 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:52.839 Everybody you talked to that. 358 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.680 Knew anything about the campaign, as you know, Steve, they 359 00:18:56.720 --> 00:18:59.279 were all saying the same thing. We're not going to 360 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:01.680 make the same state. We're not going to bring in 361 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:04.079 Rec Tillerson, we're not going to bring in John Bolton, 362 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:07.039 we're not going to have an anonymous and we're going 363 00:19:07.119 --> 00:19:09.680 to do what Obama did. We're going to get diehard 364 00:19:09.759 --> 00:19:11.640 loyal as. So I'm going to hit the ground running, 365 00:19:11.799 --> 00:19:17.480 and so far, with some missteps, they have pretty well. 366 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:22.079 So we'll see. But there's also this intensity now that 367 00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:24.039 he didn't have the first term that he only has 368 00:19:24.160 --> 00:19:24.759 four years. 369 00:19:24.759 --> 00:19:26.440 That's it, and he's got it. 370 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:31.519 He's got to do something before the forces the media 371 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:33.839 and the left are sort of like a wounded animal 372 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:36.319 and they're licking their wounds in their cave and they 373 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:39.480 haven't come back out yet, but they will and they 374 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:40.279 have to hurry up. 375 00:19:40.359 --> 00:19:43.440 I think hi victim is Childs Kirk. 376 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:47.000 That's a good segue into my question, which is, if 377 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:52.119 you look at most presidencies, they achieved two or three 378 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.160 big things. Trump has a couple of years until the 379 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:58.759 Republicans might lose the House. We've seen a flurried executive 380 00:19:58.839 --> 00:20:02.160 orders that we just gus. They're all over the place 381 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:06.480 in their content. But going forward, there are so many 382 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:09.519 challenges that the country faces. What do you think the 383 00:20:09.559 --> 00:20:12.279 two or three things that Trump should focus on? Hottest 384 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:14.839 should be if you could come out of the Trump 385 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:17.160 presidency in four years saying he got this done? What 386 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:17.960 should it be. 387 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:23.240 If he did three things? And one was he closed 388 00:20:23.279 --> 00:20:29.799 the border and we had legalmuocratic immigration. And people have 389 00:20:29.920 --> 00:20:32.960 talked about maybe we should even give say if a 390 00:20:32.960 --> 00:20:35.160 person knows English and they have skills and they pay 391 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:38.400 ten thousand dollars and it's diverse from all over the world. 392 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:42.039 We get people from Europe, Australia, Japan, So that would 393 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:48.000 be an accomplishment to end next of kin immigration, even 394 00:20:48.039 --> 00:20:49.759 anchor baby, that would be something. 395 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:50.960 And then number. 396 00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:55.960 Two, he's got a problem because if you total up 397 00:20:56.640 --> 00:21:01.319 tax cuts on tips, tax cuts on on first responders, 398 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:05.960 military people, so that's almost a trillion dollars. Yeah, and 399 00:21:06.680 --> 00:21:10.279 so he's gambling that all of this deregulation will give 400 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:14.119 you four percent GDP. It might, but it's not going 401 00:21:14.160 --> 00:21:18.400