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you could use or not use, and James, you may

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want to add to it, but I can't resist. And

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it goes like this, Segway juice. James, did you really

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just say Segway juice? I think it's an instant classic.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, trot that in. If you please, ask.

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Speaker 1: Not what your country can do for you, ask what

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Speaker 3: Mister gorbut you'll tear down this wall.

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Speaker 4: It's the Rickorshe Podcast with Steven Hayward and Journals a

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CW of cook.

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Speaker 2: I'm James Lilax.

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Speaker 4: Today we talked to our old friend with Victor Davis Hansley.

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So Lett's as the Golden Age of America begins right.

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Speaker 3: Now, you're gonna do a sig hail.

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Speaker 5: You're gonna do a hail Hitler or there rebrand a

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Roman salute from behind the residential seal of the United

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States of America.

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Speaker 3: It's on.

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Speaker 4: Welcome everybody. It's the Brickashet Podcast, number seven hundred and

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twenty five. I'm James Lilx in Minneapolis, where it's not

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thirty two below, you know, for a change, which is nice.

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And I'm speaking with Charles C. W. Cook, who was

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in Florida, and Stephen Hayward, who I assume is in California.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, Yes, correct, Good. Going through

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the list of executive orders here, finding there's a lot

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to like. I mean, a number one hundred and ninety eight,

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for example, decrees that Starbucks Shell in the future use small, medium,

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and large for their sizing nomenclature.

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Speaker 2: I like that.

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Speaker 4: I think it's overdue. This one surprised me. One fifty

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four stated that it shall be the policy of the

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United States Government going forward that all Sherlock Holmes reboots

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shall be set in eighteen eighties London, which I again

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a plot. Now, a lot of people are looking at

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these things and they're they're they're horrified by this. But

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then you look and you say, well, wait a minute. Here,

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I thought. I thought Bold's persistent experimentation was the was

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the hallmark of a political genius and a great leader.

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We used to talk about one hundred days. I think

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in the future they're going to be talking about one

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So how's it going so far for you guys?

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Speaker 6: It's going great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I can't I can't believe the speed and

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the depth and the reach, also the care. I have

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to say a lot of these, James, I mean, I

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have my own jokes, such as the executive order I

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want to see firing Kathleen Kennedy from overseeing Star Wars

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and removing the prequels.

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Speaker 1: But aside from that, there are a lot of these have

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clauses in there to try and make them bulletproof from

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legal challenge, and some of them will fail at that,

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but they really put the care into them, unlike the

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first ones, you know, four years ago, when I guess

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what's eight years ago now, when Trump was so they

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didn't quite know what they were doing, and things fell

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apart really fast in some cases. So no, it's been

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breathtaking to watch. And I mean to say, I'll just

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add as a general observation that you know, you use

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the old Roosevelt phrase, James so Bold, persistent experimentation. And

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you've seen the build up of executive power over the years,

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which is something the Democratic Party and liberals favored. So

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now they're getting a taste of their own favorite medicine,

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and I hope they get it good and hard.

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Speaker 4: Charles, I know that you, like me, probably share the

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opinion that the issue of how much pressure is in

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your shower head should not be a matter for the

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president to address.

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Speaker 2: That.

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Speaker 4: A lot of these things that we're talking about, we

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wish were legislative in nature, so that they couldn't be overturned,

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and that they would also express the will of the

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people and the government and system that we have to

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enact them. That said, how do you feel about all

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of this feeling, of course, being the most important thing

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of our era.

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Speaker 7: Well, the vast majority of the orders are in areas

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that Congress has delegated. Now, it shouldn't have delegated in

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as many areas as it has. I wish we had

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a system that were different. But it is not a

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problem for presidents to come in and set policy in

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cases where Congress has said the Secretary chal or the

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the ev mandate or shower pressure or DEI or the

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Paris Climate Accords or most of this, the Congress has

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given too much power to the executive. So you can't

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do what I've seen on the left, which is to say, well,

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congressional power. This is not the instability that it creates

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as a problem, but that's on Congress's head, not on

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the president's head. I have an issue with two of

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the executive orders because they don't fall into that category.

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seven five days, it's ninety and not on the grounds

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that he's delayed. You can only delay when there is

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a bio under contract with a written agreement that needs

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a little more time to be finalized.

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Speaker 3: That's not the case.

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Speaker 7: And I think that the executive order redefining the meaning

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of the fourteenth Amendment when it comes to birthright citizenship

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is just going to be struck down, and in my view,

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probably should be. But other than that, these have been

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good because they have stayed within the law and they

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are solid on the merits. And one of the most

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interesting things about this is probably the lack of pushback

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from the left. Instead, they've been talking about Elon Mask's

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supposed Nazi salute. Because if you look at the substance

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of almost everything Trump has done here. It's popular, it's

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seventy thirty. These are not eso aims. These are not

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representative of overreads. This is not what happened to Joe Biden,

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where he became president narrowly. Then John Meacham told him

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he was FDR, and all of a sudden he's talking

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about reconstituting the entire country and spending six to ten

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trillion dollars. These are common sense moves that should have

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been done a long time ago. So I'm very happy

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with with the couple of exceptions that I mentioned. And

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Speaker 1: Right Well, you know, I think I I think I've

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maybe dissent from Charles. Maybe I'm not sure. We disagree

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on the issue, but on the legal status of the

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birthright citizenship business. Let me put it in this terms.

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Trump's our other great Jacksonian president. It's worth reading, and

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it's something I teach the students. Jackson's veto message of

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the Second National Bank of the United States.

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Speaker 6: Which he wrote himself. It's very compelling.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln liked a quote from it, and Jackson said, essentially,

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National Bank of the United States is constitutional. I think

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it's unconstitutional. And I have to say with a veto,

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which is a little different legally true than what Trump's

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doing here. But then Jackson added a very good sentence

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that I think now we should bear in mind. He

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says Supreme Court opinions should only be given the respect

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that the force of their logic and reasoning compels us

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to recognize. In other words, he's saying is if their

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reasoning is not plausible, I think the other branches of government,

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me and Congress ought to contest them for it. So,

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birthright citizenship question from the eighteen nineties. That what is

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a de Wong Arkwong and Wong arc case. And I

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will go into the details of it now. But the

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last clause of the fourteenth Amendment says Congress shall what

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does it say Congress shall enforce this amendment with appropriate legislation,

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birthright citizenship should be done legally in the US, just

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like a done in almost all of our peer countries

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in Europe, where at least one parent has to be

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a legal resident. Now, maybe a Supreme Court would strike

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it down, but I don't think it's the end of

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the story. So I think that there is some room

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for legitimate argument and maybe a change in the legal

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regime short of a constitutional amendment.

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Speaker 7: And does so mini lecture, Yeah, I would just push

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back on a couple of things that First off, the

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Andrew Jackson coat is an interesting one. I agree, but

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there is a slight difference between the Supreme Court saying

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the federal government may do this constitutionally and saying it

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has to. And Jackson was vetoing a law that would

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have created a bank that the federal government was allowed

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to create, but he didn't have to create it. Congress

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didn't have to generate that bank. The difference here is

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an under existing Supreme Court President, and I take your

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point about it perhaps being less clear cut than people say.

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The Supreme Court has ruled that the Fourteenth Amendment mandates

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that's the argument, at least that it mandates this birthright citizenship.

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trying to change that understanding via edict. So I think

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this is likely to get struck down. Even if the

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congressional option you mentioned is a possibility, that's not what

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the courts are being asked to examine.

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Speaker 4: Well, gentlemen, all I know, here's the dot. I don't

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executive orders it said, okay, there are two sexes and

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you have to go to the office to work. But

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here we are where it's quite extraordinary, and people are

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Speaker 2: That there are two sexes and you have to go

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Speaker 4: H But you know a lot of these people are

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going to quit, supposedly told that they have to go back,

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the Martin and eli adsers and senior fellow, the author

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The Dying Citizen. How progressive elites, tribalism and globalization are

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destroying the idea of America and also the case for Trump. Victor,

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welcome back. Thank you for having me the idea of America.

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We've seen a change over our lifetimes everybody has. Of

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or we become a different place. What's the progress now?

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accelerated the transmutation of America into something else? Or well

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the empire strike back.

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Speaker 8: I think we're seeing over the last four years this

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manifestation of what the left dreams were on a variety

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of front and they've failed. So it's not just Trump

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has the corrective, he thinks, but people were starting to

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come to consensus that not only it didn't work the

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leftist project, but they were no longer immune from the

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consequences of their own ideology. And I'm just referencing here

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in California the fire they break down in fire prevention,

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timber management, forest management, chaparral management, insurance management, DEI, etc.

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I thought they were going to their heads were going

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to explode when he called you know, fuel liquid gold,

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and he said that it was a new green scam.

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by all these bankers it was amazing. Instead of getting

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angry at him, it was are you sure you're going

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to do this? You're really going to give us natural

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you can? We can count on you to green light

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liquid national gas. You really want to lower interest rates,

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you wanted to deregulate. It was almost as if he

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was talking to the tech people here in the United States,

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and it was the same thing. He basically told the

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tech people. Look, I don't know what your views are

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and redistribution. I don't know what they are in taxes,

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but I do know you don't like people regulating you

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to death and telling you what to do. And I

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can use you to make us all money. I mean,

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there's dangers in that, but he's basically telling and reason

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and Musk and Bezos go to AI, cryptocurrency, artificial intelligence,

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bioengineering and be the best and we're going to be

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benefit of that. And if your tries to screws you

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over and says, well, your tax rates are too low,

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so we're going to make up the difference and take

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the revenue. Then I'm like Biden, who approved of that

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because he wanted to make up the revenue over here

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and increase to thirty percent. Trump said, try it and

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see what happens to you. So he's actually and so

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four bid years as a and they had in a

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weird strange way, it was almost faded or better than

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fair all the stuff he went through. But most importantly

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we got to see in the raw a full fledged

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left wing Jacobin agenda, and it terrified people on the border,

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on crime, on hyperinflation, on Afghanistan, and the Middle East

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two wars. So I think for a while at least,

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that effort is almost over with. I think the Europeans,

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who had almost the same GDP as we did twenty

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five years ago and now we're almost double, they know it.

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we knew this, but we had to go along with

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Biden because you're the leader. And now we don't have

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to go along with him anymore.

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Speaker 3: This is great.

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Speaker 8: We don't like you, but maybe we can all make

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money and survived the Chinese Victor.

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Speaker 1: It's Steve Hayward, just over the coastal mountains from you, Hi, say,

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my mind runs back to your terrific book from was

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it twenty eighteen called The Case for Trump.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and you.

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Speaker 1: Know, one of the analogies you used or images you

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used in that book and then your talks back then,

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was as you compared Trump to one of the sort

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of the rough heroes of say, the old John Ford movies,

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who the villagers want to go clean out the crooks

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because he's got the will and the strength to do it.

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guy ever around, and you sort of shove him out

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of town and so forth. I'm wondering two part question, Well, actually, yeah, two.

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Speaker 6: And a half.

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Speaker 1: I can't I'm astounded at Trump's comeback. I'm stupefied by it.

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I can't think of a and you know more ancient

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history than I do. I mean, it's way beyond the

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magnitude of Nixon's come back in the sixties, which was

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very impressive. And so here we are with Trump, who

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now is the highest approval ratings he's ever had because

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issue positions are popular, and so I'm wondering, are we

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going to need a sequel from you called The Triumph

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of Trump? And what do you make of the of

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this comeback?

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Speaker 8: Well, you're very precient, because this week I signed a

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contract with Basic Books for Trump Phoenix, Trump, Trump.

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Speaker 3: We Booted.

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Speaker 8: They're going to come up with the title, but I

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only have I have to write one hundred and twenty

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thousand words in four months, So I'm working on it,

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and I agree with you. I've been looking at comebacks

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both American. There's nothing like it in American history, and

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the other comebacks don't. Do you know one hundred Days

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of Napoleon are Churchill's closest. I think he was complete

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an outsider and had no future until nineteen forty.

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Speaker 3: But.

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Speaker 8: There's not I'm kind of worried because you know, every

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remake Shane too, and all those didn't go very well

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because once the tragic hero has saved the Sawdbusters or

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whoever they are, and then he rides off wounded into

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the sunset, they don't really want him to come back.

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Speaker 3: But in this case it's.

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Speaker 6: A second victory.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm more of a political scientist in his story.

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And the typical cycle of presidence is or second terms

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are bad. Yeah, I think Trump, like everything else, has

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turned out on his head. I think he already had

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a second term. I think his first term was. It's

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sort of some larger metaphysical sense, and this feels like

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a first term to me, doesn't It feels a lot

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more like it does one.

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Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, I think part of is we're kind of bewildered.

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We've never seen this in the modern era. We saw

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we read about Wilver Cleveland, whose second comeback was I

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think better than his first, or at least as good.

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But we've never seen this before, and it sounds like

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to me, this is kind of his first term, as

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you've said, and with the advantage that he's been there before.

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Speaker 3: Everybody you talked to that.

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Speaker 8: Knew anything about the campaign, as you know, Steve, they

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were all saying the same thing. We're not going to

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make the same state. We're not going to bring in

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Rec Tillerson, we're not going to bring in John Bolton,

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we're not going to have an anonymous and we're going

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to do what Obama did. We're going to get diehard

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loyal as. So I'm going to hit the ground running,

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and so far, with some missteps, they have pretty well.

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So we'll see. But there's also this intensity now that

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he didn't have the first term that he only has

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four years.

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Speaker 3: That's it, and he's got it.

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Speaker 8: He's got to do something before the forces the media

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and the left are sort of like a wounded animal

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and they're licking their wounds in their cave and they

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haven't come back out yet, but they will and they

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have to hurry up.

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Speaker 3: I think hi victim is Childs Kirk.

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Speaker 7: That's a good segue into my question, which is, if

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you look at most presidencies, they achieved two or three

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big things. Trump has a couple of years until the

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Republicans might lose the House. We've seen a flurried executive

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orders that we just gus. They're all over the place

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in their content. But going forward, there are so many

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challenges that the country faces. What do you think the

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two or three things that Trump should focus on? Hottest

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should be if you could come out of the Trump

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presidency in four years saying he got this done? What

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should it be.

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Speaker 8: If he did three things? And one was he closed

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the border and we had legalmuocratic immigration. And people have

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talked about maybe we should even give say if a

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person knows English and they have skills and they pay

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ten thousand dollars and it's diverse from all over the world.

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We get people from Europe, Australia, Japan, So that would

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be an accomplishment to end next of kin immigration, even

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anchor baby, that would be something.

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Speaker 3: And then number.

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Speaker 8: Two, he's got a problem because if you total up

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tax cuts on tips, tax cuts on on first responders,

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military people, so that's almost a trillion dollars. Yeah, and

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so he's gambling that all of this deregulation will give

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you four percent GDP. It might, but it's not going

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to work unless they cut a trillion dollars and I

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don't think.

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Speaker 3: They can cut it too.

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Speaker 8: But my point is if he can get into a

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bowl Simpson trajectory that we are significantly reducing annual debts

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so that the time he leaves, we're not adding to

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the national debt in four years, that's something and that

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would set a trend. So the finance is very important.

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And then number three, he has another contradiction. The Megabase

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doesn't believe in optional military engagements. But he showed last

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time that if people interpret that as neo isolationists, then

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you've got to go in and knock some heads.

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Speaker 3: Kill.

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Speaker 8: Solomonia killed by daddy bomb ICE's maximum pressure on Iran.

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And so this time he's entering office with two theater

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wide wars, and he's already got some contradictions about the

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Hamast hostages, et cetera in Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: But he's got to re establish.

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Speaker 8: US deterrence and reboot and refashion the military. The military

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is spending billions of dollars on platforms that, while they're necessary,

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if you look at what's happening in these two wars,

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we don't have enough shells, we don't have enough drones,

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we don't have enough platforms. We're concentrating everything in too

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few platforms. And it's nice to have a one hundred and

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eighty million dollars twenty two, but we I would rather

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have ten thousand drones. And so he's got to reboot

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the military. The military has been very disingenuous. There are

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forty thousand recruits short, and every time you discuss it

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with them, they just simply lower down the mount they

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think they need. So they say, how dare you say

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that we've met our we've met our recruitment stand And

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then you look at the actual numbers and they haven't

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and so and part of that is DEI and they

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have a problem because when you look at the recruitment

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and they have figures on race, class, gender, sexual orient

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to everything, but it's very hard to find out who's

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not joining. But you can find that Owen West has

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written a really important paper on that it's mostly white

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males from the middle class that are completely turned off

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both by the losses in Afghanistan but also by this

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constant hectoring and ad campaign of DEI, and they're not joining,

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and they diet double their numbers in Afghanistan and Iraq

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and the demographics. So we've got to get the military

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and rebooted, and we've got to re established a terrence.

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We've got to get a physical sanity back, and we've

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got to get a.

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Speaker 3: We have to get rid of this idea of a

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border of America.

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Speaker 1: So Victor, let me stay with DEI for a minute.

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Then I want to ask you a couple of Silicon

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Valley questions. One of the things that's comical to watch

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right now is all the DEI offices and initiatives changing

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their name and changing the job titles. And yeah, I

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mean that will need to be rooted out and chased

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after it, but I think it's not gonna work for

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a really simple reason. You know, I always been saying

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for a while the DEI diversity, Equity and Inclusion. I'm

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sure you've noticed this. Whenever you see a message from

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a university, they all sound the same, like they were

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written and in some cases they were written by artificial intelligence.

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In the case of a Vanderbilt message a few years ago,

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it's the Holy Trinity of the identitarian Left. Well, the

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problem is you can change the name to all kinds

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of different things, and I'm looking at one place here

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to change their DEI office to the Division of Inclusive Excellence,

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Community and Belonging. But my point is they're not going

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to know what to say. This whole racket depends on

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common cliches in a common vocabulary, and they're gonna have

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to fracture the vocal tabulary to avoid the attention of

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Trump and people who are sick of this, and it's

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going to make it incoherent. This is kind of the

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you know, Tower of Babbel, scattering of the languages in academia.

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that we're going to succeed in rooting this out or

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I mean, I know, I also share your view that

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the leftist doug in and will fight hard. But right

477
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now I'm thinking that just the fact that they have

478
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to run away from the name is going to cause

479
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them huge problems.

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Speaker 8: You know, that's funny you mentioned I share your optimism.

481
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I have got maybe eight emails from people in the

482
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last two weeks that I would call white male leftist,

483
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and that's to the extent you think he's really going

484
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to do it. And at the Hoover Institution, I've talked

485
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to a couple of people in other words, there's all

486
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it's kind of like the same thing with the Hispanic

487
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community and open borders. Here I live in a ninety

488
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five percent Mexico. They will come up to you and said,

489
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you really think he's going to deport We got ArcaneOS,

490
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we got M thirteen. So there are these constituents on

491
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the left that they think the cat has to have

492
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a bell around his neck because they've been devouring the mice.

493
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But they don't want to put the bell. The old

494
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Esip's fable. So actually, I think there's going to be

495
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a lot of covert support for it. When Trump is

496
00:26:17,519 --> 00:26:20,720
very smartly starting out with the first iteration of these

497
00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:24,839
horrific criminals. Nobody can and if he can glide into

498
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,079
a broader deportation, it'll work. And the same thing about DEI.

499
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There's a lot of white males at places like Stanford,

500
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for example, who have been passed over for Dean ships,

501
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passed over for rewards, passed over, their kids can't get in.

502
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They only let in nine percent of the student body

503
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were white males. For the last four years, it's been

504
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twenty percent whites. In general, there's not enough and that

505
00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,960
comes you know, athletes legacies. There's just not enough space

506
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for people with perfect sat scores, perfect GPAs, and you

507
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know all these extracurricular ties, they've all been turned down.

508
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,200
So you talked to these parents, are these Silicon Valley people?

509
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:11,119
So yeah, what andreason? That really remarkable interview he gave

510
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:17,079
with Ross thought there was one statement that just jumped

511
00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:21,680
out when he was being asked by Ross, what were

512
00:27:21,759 --> 00:27:24,400
some of the motivations of the causations that made you

513
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:28,559
change And he said, well, at one point or my

514
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top guy came in and he said, Mark, I think

515
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these people want to destroy us.

516
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Speaker 3: And what he was.

517
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Speaker 8: Saying is they'd hired all of these Marquee University coders

518
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and everybody, and they were all the They were either

519
00:27:41,799 --> 00:27:44,720
DEI or they were sympathetic to it, and they were

520
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,279
trying to undermine the corp what his corporation was from

521
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:53,920
the inside. Another I talked to another Silicon Valley person

522
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and he he essentially said that, he said, we don't

523
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like to hire Stanford people anymore because the last four

524
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:06,079
years they don't know computer engineering like they used to.

525
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They don't speak as well, they don't write as well,

526
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but they do go to HR the first day and

527
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cause us trouble. And in Texas a and M or

528
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,359
a Georgia tech guy or cal State Pomona, they don't

529
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do that.

530
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that teas up my next question, Victor, perfectly

531
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for listeners who don't know what you're referring to, and

532
00:28:24,839 --> 00:28:27,319
maybe we can put it in the show notes staff,

533
00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:32,400
is that Mark Andreson essentially said, remember he gave us Netscape.

534
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,000
That's who Mark Andresen was thirty years ago. He was

535
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:37,519
all in for the Clinton Gore world. They supported Obama.

536
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,359
They started souring on things under Obama and then were

537
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,200
shocked with the Biden administration. And so one of the

538
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big stories of this last election cycle was so much

539
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of Silicon Valley breaking from the Democrats, and there you

540
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,519
saw Zuckerberg and the CEO of Microsoft and all the

541
00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:58,160
rest at Google at Trump's inauguration. So my question, Victor

542
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is is you know, I've been with you about sour

543
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:04,359
about California's prospects under one party rule, but now it's

544
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,440
Silicon Valley has figured out the perils of identitarianism as

545
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,039
well as saying, yeah, we're overregulated in so many ways,

546
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and they wanted to kill Crypto. Do you think that

547
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,319
might translate to California? In other words, Victor, do you

548
00:29:18,319 --> 00:29:20,880
think there's a chance that Silicon Valley may turn around

549
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,599
and help Kiss on your turnaround?

550
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Speaker 3: I do.

551
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Speaker 8: I've even heard rumors at Stanford that they're debating whether

552
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,359
to throw thirty or forty or fifty million to recall

553
00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:34,640
Newsome again after the fowls. So, especially when you look

554
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,759
at the first thing came to my mind when I

555
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:41,119
had you know, I had been at Pepperdine teaching, and

556
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I went down there every fourth week or fifth and

557
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,160
I had just driven over Pacific Palisades, over the top.

558
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 3: Of the mountain.

559
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, and that was one of the most beautiful drives

560
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,200
I've ever I hadn't realized in a long time, an't

561
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:55,759
been there in twenty years, what a beautiful neighborhood that was,

562
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:59,640
the homes, everything, and they're all gone. And it's first

563
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,319
thing that's I said to myself, if they get the chance,

564
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:08,119
Karen Bass and the whole La City Council will try

565
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:11,559
to go in there and get affordable housing and not

566
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,680
get And sure enough, today the news accounts say that

567
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:16,839
Caruso is going.

568
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Speaker 3: To stop try to stop that.

569
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Speaker 8: That they want to rebuild it with these government Obama

570
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era mandates, and that will.

571
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Speaker 3: Cause a revolution because those people are furious. They are

572
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so angry.

573
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Speaker 8: I've got about five or six emails, and I did

574
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,039
a fundraiser in Pacific Policide and I've been talking to you.

575
00:30:36,119 --> 00:30:40,279
They're just really angry. It's a total systems collapse and

576
00:30:40,319 --> 00:30:42,640
at their expense, and they voted for it, and they

577
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,759
have no one to get angry at but themselves, So

578
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I think all and then when you look at the

579
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Hispanic community, it's I never thought Fresno County would ever

580
00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:56,839
again be read, but he flipped four or five counties.

581
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We flipped red our whole county did. It was amazing,

582
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,920
and they it was all because of Mexican American males

583
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:07,839
over the age of forty. They went about sixty percent

584
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:11,480
for Trump and they ended up giving about a forty

585
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:16,119
five to forty eight percent overall Hispanic vote. And I

586
00:31:16,119 --> 00:31:19,119
think that can increase. I think it all depends, finally,

587
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if they can get galvanized around a charismatic Reagan like

588
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or leader, or a competent guy like Pete Wilson. Some

589
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,960
are made that those were all very good leaders.

590
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Speaker 1: I have a crazy idea for you, Victor. It's partly

591
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:35,680
tongue in cheek, but not entirely. Did you catch Bill

592
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,920
Maher's rant about the fires on his show.

593
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Speaker 2: A week ago?

594
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Speaker 3: Did? Yeah?

595
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Speaker 1: And so my thought is, you know, Bill Maher should

596
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:44,200
run for governor. It just it would cause makhim the

597
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:45,480
Democratic Party, right.

598
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Speaker 4: Okay, if they wanted to, if they want to remake

599
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,480
Pacific Palisades into their vision of what a neighborhood should be.

600
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Opposition to him in the past would have been shut

601
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,480
down with a series of terms that delegitimized anybody's objections.

602
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But now, in very quickly, we have a diminution of

603
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:09,359
cultural and political power behind those words. In other words,

604
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:13,960
they suddenly seem unmasked and revealed as poisonous at worst

605
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:17,359
and meaningless at best. Does it feel somehow as did

606
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,279
we've ripped up the new speak dictionary?

607
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

608
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Speaker 8: I think it's kind of like that scene in the

609
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,440
Wizard of Oz. You know when you have that scary

610
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,720
face that everybody's scared of, and then all of a sudden,

611
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,240
the Toto pulls away the curtain and you see this

612
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,240
little tiny guy with gears and levers.

613
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 3: That's what DEI is.

614
00:32:33,759 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 8: They get scared and terrified people after George Floyd coming

615
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,960
out of that crazy lockdown, that they were the majority,

616
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and they had institutions, and they introduced all these new

617
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,720
things like shadow banning, deep platforming, canceling, and everybody was afraid.

618
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:51,599
I saw it where I work. There were people when

619
00:32:51,599 --> 00:32:55,480
Scott Atlas was going mean hounded. I said, we've got

620
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,200
to write op eds and you couldn't get anybody to

621
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,599
do it. They were terrified. But now they're starting to

622
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,759
see that those people were always a loud minority, and

623
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:09,960
they didn't have broad public support, they had institutional support.

624
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,559
And Trump found a way to out fox the institutional support.

625
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,839
And so now I think you're right that people are saying,

626
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,559
you know what, I'm not going to do this anymore.

627
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,480
These four years were an aver when everybody said that

628
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:28,400
they're so happy, it's like a new golden age. That's

629
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:33,359
not just because of MAGA. It's because I think even

630
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,799
some never trumpets are feeling that that quietly they think

631
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,920
this was an aberration. The three genders, the open border,

632
00:33:41,599 --> 00:33:45,720
the soils, crime, critical legal theory, critical racial all of that,

633
00:33:46,319 --> 00:33:50,720
the admissions at the universities, the crazy radical Palestinians, you know,

634
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:58,160
defacing with impunity monuments, the name changing and so iconoclasm.

635
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,119
I just think that people feel we were kind of

636
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,359
on hinge. This was this was me too on steroids, literally,

637
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:08,559
like I realized on I mean, the statues that we toppled.

638
00:34:08,599 --> 00:34:10,840
The But you know, and when people go back and

639
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,760
look over this, they will say, well, Joe Biden was

640
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,039
the president, how much of Biden was responsible, How much

641
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,760
of Biden was in this? And more and more people

642
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,559
are coming to the conclusion that there was very little

643
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:21,280
of Biden in it at all. He's always been a

644
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,119
weather vein. It is never a man of any particular convictions,

645
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:27,840
and it does make you wonder who exactly in the

646
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:33,440
White House who was driving the last four years. And

647
00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:35,480
it's not a it's not a small sort of shrug

648
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,320
your shoulders. Who knows, interesting if.

649
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 4: We ever find out, but on we go, I think

650
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,400
it's something that, you know, I don't want to screech

651
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:45,679
to a halt what we're doing, but it does bear

652
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,960
some some some Yeah.

653
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Speaker 8: I think Joe Biden was playing Edith the Wilson. She

654
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:55,199
was the receptacle or the funnel, and she was growing

655
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stuff at a time from the radicalized Nancy Pelosi and

656
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,920
Chuck Schumer, and they were sort of the people who

657
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:06,760
translated to Jill Biden what the squad wanted, where Elizabeth

658
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:11,639
Warren wanted, what Bernie Sanders, but especially what the Obamas wanted,

659
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,960
and that was channeled through Pelosi and Schumer to Jill

660
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:20,800
Jill Biden, and then I mean translate that means this

661
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,480
is the judge you should appoint, This is this third

662
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:27,559
in command at the National Institute of Health, this is

663
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:32,199
the person in the DoD And we got a crazy period,

664
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you know.

665
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Speaker 4: But it wasn't because they deeply It wasn't because Pelosi

666
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and Schumer themselves deeply believed this. They were optimists who

667
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,920
were making a deal in channeling the popularities because they

668
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:42,559
wanted yes.

669
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Speaker 8: They thought that, well, they did make a strategic mistake.

670
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:52,880
They thought that by channeling this hard left ideology to

671
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,559
Jill Biden and then having it rhified, that it was

672
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going to win majority of support. I don't think in

673
00:35:58,119 --> 00:36:01,440
their right mind. I think they thought, man, this is crazy,

674
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,360
because if you look at the nineteen ninety six Democratic

675
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,599
platform that was written by Mark Penn and Doug Showan.

676
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,960
I looked at that thing. It is incredible. There shall

677
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:17,280
be only legal immigration forrime a, youthful offenders, no excuse

678
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:21,400
from punishment. It was farther right than Maga and Nancy

679
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,119
Pelosi gave a really loud speech about the necessity, the

680
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:31,800
necessity to protect unions and American workers deportation. So I

681
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,239
don't think they have any ideology. Schumer and she they

682
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,079
just want power and they thought that's where the power was.

683
00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:42,000
And then that got amplified, and then Jill Biden doesn't

684
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:44,960
know what she's doing either, and those people had kind

685
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,519
of an internal coup. It goes back to how he

686
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:51,440
was selected. He lost the first three caucuses and primaries.

687
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,880
He was going nowhere to Clyburne got him in South

688
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,480
Carolina and the deal was made that within thirty days,

689
00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:01,719
Butterjig was out, so Warren was out, Bernie Sanders was out,

690
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,880
he was coronated. And I think they basically said to Jill,

691
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,519
he's going to be a waxen effigy and just play

692
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:12,360
up old Joe Biden from Scranton, and we're going to

693
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,920
be in control. And you get all the credit and

694
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,639
the celebrity, but we're going to be in control. And

695
00:37:17,679 --> 00:37:19,920
he lived by the sword, the coup, and he died

696
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,960
by that, and then that same group removed him when

697
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,920
he couldn't even you know, perform that the near role.

698
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:35,000
You're right, though, You're really right though, that someone is

699
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,320
going to write a book about this and get the

700
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,239
people who did this on record, and it's going to

701
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,039
be almost it's going to be shocking because it is

702
00:37:43,079 --> 00:37:44,559
almost a coup like that.

703
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:45,760
Speaker 3: He was never fit.

704
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,639
Speaker 8: When you add the irony that they used to get

705
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:53,639
Bandy Lee from Yale, the psychiatrists to testify that Donald

706
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:56,800
Trump need an intervention and should be straight jacketed. And

707
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,599
Rod Rosenstein, the Deputy Attorney General in the term FBI

708
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,559
Director Andrew McCabe, We're going to wear a wire to

709
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:06,679
prove that Donald Trump was crazy. And then under pressure,

710
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:11,119
he took the Montreal Cognitive Assistance and I remember he said,

711
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:13,360
I aced it, and I can tell a difference between

712
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,719
a dromedary and a camel.

713
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 3: So that's where we got.

714
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 8: But that standard and that concern never if you, I

715
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,599
said on Fox once, I won't repeat the person that

716
00:38:28,639 --> 00:38:31,480
very early I said, I think he feels I said,

717
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,559
I don't want to be cruel, but he he has

718
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:38,719
moments of blankness where his jaw drops and he's ashen

719
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,440
with no color, you know, and he's almost like he's reptilian.

720
00:38:42,639 --> 00:38:44,559
And the host said, you know, I can't believe you

721
00:38:44,639 --> 00:38:47,599
said that. That's just impermissible on my show. And I

722
00:38:47,599 --> 00:38:50,320
didn't go on that show for two months. But that

723
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,360
was the climate in twenty twenty one that you couldn't

724
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,679
that was ages. It was a cheap fake. You could

725
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,119
not talk about that. It was almost like you can't

726
00:38:59,559 --> 00:39:02,239
dare me the Wuhan origins of COVID.

727
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 7: Victor You all right, I think, as you said a

728
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:12,119
second book on Trump, I wonder how much of the

729
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:15,079
dynamic that you just described do you think is because

730
00:39:15,159 --> 00:39:16,920
of Trump, and how much do you think he's a

731
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,079
symptom of it? In other words, yes, if you if

732
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:22,199
you take Trump out.

733
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: I think it's fifty to fifty. Okay, Yes, put it

734
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:25,320
this way.

735
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 8: If Donald Trump was not the standard bearer and it

736
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:35,360
was some other person, that's very good Marco Rubio, maybe

737
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:36,440
I don't think.

738
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 3: It would have worked quite like it is.

739
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 8: But on the other hand, if Joe Biden had an

740
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:48,000
administration like Bill Clinton or maybe even the Obama I don't,

741
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,239
I don't, I don't. I'm not sure that Trump would

742
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,400
have made it. But it was the combination that Trump

743
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,719
had this this I don't know what you would call it,

744
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:03,079
superhuman energy, and the more they tried to destroy him

745
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,000
with these five indictment civil criminal suits, the more they

746
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,440
impeached him twice, the more they tried to kill him,

747
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,199
the more that they tried to take him, the stronger

748
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,920
he got and he became and then he just he

749
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,559
almost metamorphosized into something he hadn't been before, with the

750
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:22,599
garbage stunt and the McDonald's, and every once in a

751
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:26,199
while he'd say these weird things that Indian American guy said,

752
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,039
you know, we're just ordinary. He was at the window

753
00:40:28,079 --> 00:40:30,880
and Trump said, you're not ordinary, You're not ordinary. And

754
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,280
then his wife said, you took a bullet for us,

755
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,000
and he kind of paused and said, yeah, you know what,

756
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,599
I guess I did. I did, And that was he

757
00:40:40,679 --> 00:40:44,119
was he was kind of being fueled by the torment

758
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:47,440
he was under, and that was a he was an

759
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,039
empathetic person for the first time people actually were empathetic

760
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:53,159
that had not supported it. But on the other hand,

761
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,840
I don't think that we have ever had a train

762
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:58,440
wreck like.

763
00:40:58,400 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 3: We had this last four years.

764
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 8: Was the hard left completely unbound, and I mean whether

765
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,840
it was the transgendered thing or the border. We've had

766
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,920
a poorest border. We've never had no border. And you know,

767
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,679
it was just again and again and again, draining the

768
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:19,840
petroleum reserve right before the midterms, illegally giving amnesty for

769
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,320
student loan any It was just lawless, the whole thing,

770
00:41:24,199 --> 00:41:29,400
and then the Hunter Biden laptop, the fifty one authorities

771
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,679
not paying you know, owing one point five million in taxes,

772
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:37,199
and then the whole Biden crime syndicate. I don't think

773
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,599
we've ever seen anything like it, and that so I

774
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,559
guess that's a wishy Wash answered, but I think it's

775
00:41:42,199 --> 00:41:45,400
fifty to fifty. And you know, you talked to Trump

776
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,920
supporters that have access to him, and they will say

777
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,840
it would made much easier by the fact that we

778
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,679
waited four years because were it was easier for us

779
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:57,119
to do it.

780
00:41:57,239 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 3: We knew what we were doing. He was different.

781
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:03,039
Speaker 8: But more importantly, these people, they were kind of like

782
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:05,800
the people who the way I look at it, we're

783
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,960
the people who were the larger version of the La Fires,

784
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,239
and a lot of people voted for Biden and we

785
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,440
got scorched. And the people who voted for Biden have

786
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:19,599
no one to blame but themselves, And so I.

787
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 3: Think that's part of it.

788
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 6: I know we have to let you go. I wanted

789
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:23,880
to get them one last question.

790
00:42:24,199 --> 00:42:24,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

791
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: Again, it calls in your historical imagination and you know,

792
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:31,559
political knowledge. Thinking back to more than thirty years ago,

793
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,360
when the Soviet Union collapsed, we were told it was

794
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,639
the end of history. Socialism was discredited, the left was

795
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,039
routed and went to ground. As we can now see

796
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:42,639
in retrospect. I remember thinking at the time, I wonder

797
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,920
for too triumphant, They're surely going to come back because

798
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,159
the urges behind the left are irrepressible, and what they

799
00:42:49,159 --> 00:42:50,719
came back as is we now know it was the

800
00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,239
whole ideology of wokery and all the rest of that.

801
00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:55,840
So with that background, I think you probably agree with

802
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,880
that that cycle, it took them ten years at least

803
00:42:59,039 --> 00:43:02,000
to regroup. But what do you think we should be

804
00:43:02,039 --> 00:43:04,119
looking for? Are there any markers? Do you have any

805
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,719
hunches about how they're going to try to come back

806
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,880
and what we have to be.

807
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,519
Speaker 6: In regard for.

808
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean after the mcgu we went through this

809
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:17,280
with a mcgovernment disaster, and it took them. It took

810
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,760
them from seventy two.

811
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: All the way to.

812
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 8: Well, I don't think we can call Carter or anything.

813
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,320
It really went from seventy two to ninety two. It

814
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,159
was that what saved them was a combination of Ross

815
00:43:33,199 --> 00:43:38,239
Perrot and Bill Clinton's Democratic Council and all that crap,

816
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:42,320
Dick Morris. But the point is what was their message.

817
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,199
Their message was We're going to go back to the

818
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:49,239
middle class and concerns. We're not going to fixate on race.

819
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,360
So they know what they have to do. They really

820
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:55,920
do know that they have to go back to the

821
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,119
center left. They have to talk about the middle class.

822
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,599
They have to talked about this. James Carvill's railing and

823
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:05,400
railing and railing about it. But what's different, though, is

824
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,519
we have now thirty two percent of the population are

825
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:16,800
what you would call non white, and it's here in California.

826
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:22,960
It's twenty seven percent of the population is is foreign born,

827
00:44:23,039 --> 00:44:25,840
and we have the highest number. And so the key

828
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,960
is are they going to alienate those people like they

829
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:37,159
started to or are they are they going to bring

830
00:44:37,199 --> 00:44:39,719
them in in the way that Trump Trump was picking

831
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,880
them off. That's the biggest question that I see that

832
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,880
you've got their base, and you've got Trump space, and

833
00:44:46,039 --> 00:44:50,519
the white working class and minorities are up for grabs,

834
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,079
and the way to get them is not to be

835
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:56,239
too extreme and to appeal to their self interest and

836
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,119
make class Trump race. And if they can do that,

837
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:02,960
I think they will be viable. But we only have

838
00:45:03,039 --> 00:45:06,440
four years and I'm looking at that field. Everybody said, well,

839
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,880
you know Josh Shapiro, he's a well you look what

840
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,880
he's done. He's not that centrist. He's pretty left wing.

841
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,480
So I don't see any centrist yet that's caught on.

842
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:19,159
But that's where they have to go to win and

843
00:45:19,199 --> 00:45:22,119
they know it. It's just I don't know if there's

844
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:24,679
anybody that has the courage to do that.

845
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:27,039
Speaker 4: Well, as Rob Loong says, you have to appeal to them.

846
00:45:27,199 --> 00:45:27,639
Speaker 2: That's where the.

847
00:45:27,639 --> 00:45:30,159
Speaker 4: Votes are, that's where the votes are, rather not the

848
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:33,239
Democrats have the ability to go there. And I mean,

849
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,119
if they keep making the same mistakes and assume that people,

850
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:38,119
because of the color of their skin, or the shape

851
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,239
of their eyes or whatever the color of their hair

852
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:43,239
necessarily then must believe in a certain set of economic

853
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,719
precipts is ridiculous.

854
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's accelerating too.

855
00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:50,320
Speaker 4: Yeah. We however, will not make the mistake of keeping

856
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,719
you past your appointed time. We appreciate that, We appreciate,

857
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,679
appreciate the time that we always have with you. We

858
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:56,840
look forward to talking.

859
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: And thank you guys for having meg and I enjoyed

860
00:45:58,880 --> 00:45:59,199
it too.

861
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 4: Bang on that hundred, bang out that one hundred and

862
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,400
forty thousand, and get back to us and will we

863
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,360
will right Victory Davis Adsen.

864
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,159
Speaker 6: Okay, thank you, thank you, Yeah, thanks Victor.

865
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 4: You know, when he was talking about the nineteen ninety

866
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,559
six platform and how it is markedly different, she always

867
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:18,239
saying that some of the animating ideas are left today.

868
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,760
You guys are gonna laugh when you say this, or

869
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,440
maybe you'll just roll your eyes or hold me in

870
00:46:21,519 --> 00:46:25,840
pity and contempt. But as a experiment for a project

871
00:46:26,039 --> 00:46:29,519
that I'm writing which will get me no money, I

872
00:46:29,559 --> 00:46:33,320
have been going back and watching the Dragnet television show

873
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:36,719
from the very first season nineteen sixty. This's not a

874
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,519
very good piece of television at all. Jack Web was

875
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,280
not a particularly good director. He had a great idea.

876
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,599
The radio show was groundbreaking and actually changed the medium

877
00:46:45,639 --> 00:46:49,360
a lot of the television show less. So it's cheap,

878
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:53,679
it's over lit, it's stilted, but it is an interesting

879
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,480
time capsule. Part of the show that's kind of confounding

880
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,360
when you look back on it is that every episode

881
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,880
ends with essentially a travelog for la This is the

882
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,000
city where he tells you all the wonderful cultural institutions

883
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:08,039
that you cannot imagine Jove Friday.

884
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,039
Speaker 2: Ever going to, or how great their schools.

885
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:13,400
Speaker 4: And their hospitals are, and it's just wonderful look at

886
00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:18,679
the Golden State at its prime. But but there there's

887
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,400
a serpent in the garden, and that serpent is the

888
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:26,199
countercultural and the changes that are coming, and it's portrayed

889
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,440
with his ham fisted as a nature as you can

890
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,599
possibly imagine. It's got the smirking hoodlums that you just

891
00:47:31,639 --> 00:47:34,800
want to swap, even though they look like the most

892
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:38,519
upright citizens. There's a kid who begs them not to

893
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:42,719
call his mother. Begs them because he changed clothes at

894
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,519
the gas station. And if you could just change back

895
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:46,639
into the clothes that he left the house and his

896
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:49,079
mother wouldn't freak out. But if she sees him dressed

897
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:51,559
like he is, she's going to have a fit. The

898
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:54,440
guy is wearing a purple shirt with a black vest,

899
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:58,519
pressed trousers with a crease boots hess and his hair

900
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:02,119
is neatly parted on the site. He's terrified that what

901
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:05,400
his father later calls a ridiculous pirate outfit will be

902
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:09,360
seen by his parents. So while Dragnet sixty seven exactly

903
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,480
is not a documentary, and while it is in its

904
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:14,719
own way a little bit ridiculous, you can see exactly

905
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:18,199
how far everything has been dragged in the other direction

906
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,719
since then. And I don't think we're the better necessarily

907
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:24,000
for it. I'm going nowhere with that. You guys can speak,

908
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,000
I'm sure.

909
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: I thought that was just the most elaborate segue ever.

910
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,000
But that is, but it is James, that is, you know,

911
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:36,840
I am capable of a few more things. I just

912
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,480
have to you know, yankor Channel that that those Dragnet

913
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,679
shows I watched, that's the Los Angeles of my early childhood.

914
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:45,840
And because I would recognize some of the places where

915
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,480
the various plots were sat and so forth, So the

916
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,079
travelog aspect of it, I do remember that very clearly.

917
00:48:52,199 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 4: What's funny because one of them starts about how they've

918
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,599
built things and how they have these new facilities and

919
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:04,320
the the new music center is built where adobe huts

920
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:08,400
once clustered, and it pulls out in this building and

921
00:49:09,639 --> 00:49:13,840
it's it's the water Company utility headquarters. It's right right,

922
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,199
I mean it's next it's next to the Channeler, but

923
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:18,719
it's basically the water Company.

924
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:18,920
Speaker 2: Right.

925
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 4: So, Charles, when you were growing when you were growing

926
00:49:21,519 --> 00:49:23,760
up in the UK, what was the vision of the

927
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,119
United States that you got from the television shows that

928
00:49:26,159 --> 00:49:26,440
you saw?

929
00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 7: Well, I was listeningwhelmingly positive and so I said, I

930
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,960
grew up loving America in a political sense, and it

931
00:49:35,079 --> 00:49:39,320
was I suppose split in that there were these big

932
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,880
cultural censers that you would see and the three that

933
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:45,599
were most commonly depicted with New York City, California in general,

934
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:49,639
usually Los Angeles, and then Washington, d C. Washington, DC

935
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,000
would always be in movies about aliens or wherever the

936
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:54,280
Pentagon was necessary.

937
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 4: That we're right, and it was stately. It was stately.

938
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:58,039
Speaker 2: It was a stately place.

939
00:49:58,559 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

940
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:05,079
Speaker 7: Absolutely, the New York that I saw in movies was

941
00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:08,239
strange because on the one hand you had Friends and

942
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,159
Seinfold and that sort of show which made New York

943
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:15,119
look great. But the undercurrent of all the TV shows,

944
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,079
or the hint, the implication, was that New York was

945
00:50:18,199 --> 00:50:21,360
very dangerous. In fact, when I moved to New York

946
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,000
in twenty eleven, when I moved to the United States,

947
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,119
my parents kept saying to me, just be careful, and

948
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:29,480
I had to explain, this isn't the case now, unfortunately,

949
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,639
but back in twenty eleven twenty twelve, New York was

950
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,000
for a while safer than London.

951
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 3: I had to explain this, Yeah, but.

952
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Speaker 7: This is the safest big city in the world. Because

953
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they grew up watching TV in the late seventies, eighties, nineties,

954
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:43,480
gold New York was depicted right right, or even if

955
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:45,840
you watched Home Alone two from nineteen ninety two, he

956
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,519
goes into the park and it's depicted as hell. But

957
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:51,239
the part of America that I was always the most

958
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,000
seduced by was California and Los Angeles in particular, And

959
00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:58,239
there's two reasons for that. One is TV. You asked

960
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,119
about TV. It was where most things were set. This

961
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:04,920
was before things began to be filmed in Georgia or

962
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,840
in Canada in the nineties. I think that's fair to

963
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,280
say most movies and TV shows were still filmed in

964
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,440
southern California. And the other reason was we had friends

965
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:16,599
who lived in southern California that we would visit quite often.

966
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:22,079
Southern California and Phoenix, Arizona. Big open, sunny, dry, heated,

967
00:51:22,119 --> 00:51:26,880
blue skied places with mountains and all of the things

968
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:32,079
that a kid like me wanted, the Disneyland and bowling

969
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:35,760
alleys and restaurants, and I just absolutely loved it. So

970
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,719
I was more drawn to sunny places with palm trees.

971
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,360
And of course I ended up in Florida, which is

972
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:41,639
not too far removed from that.

973
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Speaker 4: No, one of the interesting things about the regnature that

974
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,039
I just mentioned is that the very same speech where

975
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:50,719
they're decrying how the younger generation is losing its cult,

976
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,360
its morals. They have a mother complains that they've been

977
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,079
here for two years and that the city is an

978
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:58,159
alien place where nobody knows anybody else because everybody is

979
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:02,800
coming and going, and it's a it's a stark indictment

980
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,800
actually of this sort of promise, the other side of

981
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,119
the promise that California held out. So it's not like

982
00:52:08,159 --> 00:52:10,239
people weren't talking about these things. It's not like people

983
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:13,840
weren't worrying. But I never really was interested in LA

984
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,360
based on as a kid at all. It wasn't It

985
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:19,320
just seemed like a place I couldn't get my hands

986
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,679
around New York I could, and I loved it for

987
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,119
its architecture, and I loved it for it's Gotham nature,

988
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,320
but I never ever really wanted to live there. DC

989
00:52:29,039 --> 00:52:31,360
was to me and I did just just a place

990
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:35,039
where the camera pulled back, because every shot of everything

991
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:37,320
in DC is always the camera pulling back on the

992
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,679
White House or the Capitol or.

993
00:52:38,599 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: The Pentagon or something. And I never want.

994
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 4: Of course, that's where I ended up, But where I

995
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,199
really wanted to go was Minneapolis, because according to the

996
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,719
Marytitler Moore Show, it was an absolutely wonderful place to

997
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,920
live with good people and.

998
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:52,119
Speaker 3: To where you grew up.

999
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 4: Right, it was for it was four mile or four

1000
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,920
hours down the highway. Right, it was the cities. It's

1001
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,519
where you went. Of course, to my parents, he was

1002
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:02,760
an act of complete rejection of all the truths and

1003
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,360
values and glories of Fargo, which was repaid to me

1004
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:09,079
later when when my daughter left Minneapolis for Boston in

1005
00:53:09,079 --> 00:53:11,480
the exact same maneuver. Well, let's see what else we

1006
00:53:11,519 --> 00:53:13,239
got here before we have to go, and we do

1007
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,039
have to go. Is the elon Musk is a Nazi

1008
00:53:16,039 --> 00:53:18,920
thing burned out? I don't think so yet, because Twitter,

1009
00:53:19,079 --> 00:53:24,840
because Reddit is busy. Every single subreddit is banning links

1010
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,280
to Twitter x. It's been the most remarkable campaign I've

1011
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,760
ever seen. I mean, and we're not talking political subredits.

1012
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,000
We're talking subreddits that are that are devoted to collecting

1013
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:38,719
nineteen sixties lego sets.

1014
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,000
Speaker 1: It is so unremittingly stupid that I almost wonder if

1015
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:46,360
Musk didn't do it on purpose to distract the left.

1016
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,760
I mean, they're trying to figure out what and how

1017
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,119
what if Trump of Trump's moves to oppose and how

1018
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:54,880
and instead are just gonna yell nazi because that's the easiest,

1019
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,320
lowest common denominator for them.

1020
00:53:56,599 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 6: It's almost like I did it.

1021
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,639
Speaker 1: It's oh, I don't need a stipulate how stupid it

1022
00:54:00,679 --> 00:54:02,039
is for us and our listeners.

1023
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: I don't think you.

1024
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 7: Know, I want to add to the stupidity argument. Obviously,

1025
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:12,000
the idea that he did that is stupid, and the

1026
00:54:12,039 --> 00:54:16,920
people who are repeating it are stupid, But they're also

1027
00:54:18,159 --> 00:54:24,199
suffering through an opportunity cost in that they're making an

1028
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,119
argument that is self evidently stupid doesn't advance the ball,

1029
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,119
instead of making arguments that would help them.

1030
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: And we just.

1031
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,119
Speaker 7: Talked with Victor about what the Democrats can do to recover,

1032
00:54:36,119 --> 00:54:39,400
and then we talked a bit about the Democrats' history.

1033
00:54:40,679 --> 00:54:43,039
It is not the case that everyone in the United

1034
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:45,920
States has suddenly become a Republican on every topic. There

1035
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:49,480
are angles that the Democrats can take that will be popular.

1036
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:52,360
They are not a dead party, they're not a rump party.

1037
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:59,039
And instead of making those arguments, including intelevised hearings of

1038
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:03,440
Trump's nominee, they're bringing this up. It absolutely astonished me

1039
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,840
the other day to see Chris Murphy doing this to

1040
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,320
Elie Stefani, he may as well have said to her,

1041
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:11,239
Eli's let me tee you up so you can batter

1042
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,480
me around for the cameras. Instead of asking about something

1043
00:55:15,519 --> 00:55:17,360
where he could have got an angle in or at

1044
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,360
least satisfied the Democratic base or those who are on

1045
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,159
the fence, he asked what she thought of Elon Musk's

1046
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,360
hitler salute. And that is catnip for her. She's so

1047
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,960
good at this, so she sort of made him look stupid.

1048
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:36,199
And it's particularly amazing given the election that they just lost.

1049
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,880
In the arguments that were made on each side.

1050
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,599
Speaker 9: That's why they lost. That's why they lost, is this

1051
00:55:41,639 --> 00:55:45,280
sort of stupidity. She's sitting talking about anti Semitism and

1052
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,800
the dangerous world and the job that she's gonna do

1053
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,199
in reducing bureaucracy and actually get anything's done. And he

1054
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,920
sits there and about Elon Musks hurtless.

1055
00:55:53,519 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 7: Salute, and you could just tell him almost going, oh

1056
00:55:55,880 --> 00:56:00,840
my god, you are the problem. It's it's so for

1057
00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:02,960
them as well as for the rest of us.

1058
00:56:03,519 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, my favorite Babylon Bee headline lately is the one

1059
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:07,159
that says.

1060
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 4: Left stops yelling death to.

1061
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,079
Speaker 6: Israel long enough to call Muska Nazi.

1062
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:11,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1063
00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, But you know, as we were saying before, when

1064
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,159
you lose the cultural and the political power that keeps

1065
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:24,000
these these absurd balloons aloft, what are these people, the

1066
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,480
people who have been able to just repeat words and

1067
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:29,920
tropes and what is being pumped out of the echo

1068
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:33,519
chamber when that's no longer has any currency? What do

1069
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:35,639
they fall back on? I mean, what what?

1070
00:56:35,639 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 6: What?

1071
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:38,679
Speaker 4: What is Is there anything foundational there that they can

1072
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,440
that they can you know, they realize they can come

1073
00:56:41,480 --> 00:56:43,079
back to earth and say what they feel and what

1074
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,719
they mean, what do they actually mean? And does anybody

1075
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,280
want to believe them after half after years of having

1076
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,320
them spout the nonsense because those words just don't work anymore.

1077
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:56,199
They don't have purchase, They're laughable. Were the whole portion

1078
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,599
of the nation decided to look at the language of

1079
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:00,920
the left from the last four years and doan Nelson

1080
00:57:01,079 --> 00:57:06,239
months from the Simpsons and go he you know, ha ha, And.

1081
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 2: What was this?

1082
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:08,679
Speaker 4: I was listening to listen to a podcast the other

1083
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:10,559
day and the host admitted that he'd never seen a

1084
00:57:10,599 --> 00:57:15,559
single episode of The Simpsons, which does brand, which does brand? Well,

1085
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:17,639
he's British, He's British, which is which.

1086
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 7: Is No, that's impossible even for Britt. When I was younger,

1087
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,400
the Simpsons was on BBC two every single day at five.

1088
00:57:25,199 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 4: O'clock, Dominic sand Well, Dominic Sandbrooke.

1089
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 7: You can't even avoid it if you tried. I used

1090
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:33,320
to watch it religiously. I spise that was a golden

1091
00:57:33,320 --> 00:57:36,760
age too, I think, But it was on there were

1092
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:39,159
only four channels. How could you at five o'clock in

1093
00:57:39,199 --> 00:57:41,119
the could you not see one of them?

1094
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,679
Speaker 4: Well, I understand that. I mean, I Blanche and uh

1095
00:57:47,119 --> 00:57:49,599
quaver at the thought that there are more that there

1096
00:57:49,599 --> 00:57:52,239
are more unwatched Simpson episodes for me than there are

1097
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,639
watched ones that you know, I fell away from the

1098
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:57,079
show about the time a lot of people did. Yeah,

1099
00:57:57,199 --> 00:57:59,719
just just because it just happened. We just drifted away

1100
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,920
when we never stopped loving it, we never stopped quoting it.

1101
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,519
But at the same time, it just seemed to go

1102
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:06,719
on in a way that was outside of our can

1103
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,440
or interest. And you know, maybe when I retire, I'll

1104
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:10,960
sit down and watch the other.

1105
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 2: Seven four hundred and eighty two episodes of the Simpsons.

1106
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That I've missed you.

1107
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Speaker 4: However, they're in a listening audience having listened to the

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podcast number seven hundred and twenty five.

1109
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Speaker 2: If you haven't listened to the ball, they're all available.

1110
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Speaker 4: Of course, Amazon podcast I don't know, iTunes podcasts, Spotify,

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all the usual stuff I say at the end of

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the episode, except that I will also say thank you

1124
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love them. Thank you Stephen, thank you Charlie, Thanks to

1126
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our guest Victor, Thanks to everybody who listened, and we'll

1127
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