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<v Speaker 1>Oh, hello, Hi, it's still your stepbrother's girlfriend with the

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<v Speaker 1>pet rat because Ali Ward is back for yet another

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<v Speaker 1>episode on Mars. I'm not on Mars because, honestly, fuck that.

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<v Speaker 1>I get lonely, like on business trips. I'm on a

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<v Speaker 1>business trip right now in a hotel room outside of Detroit.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little lonely, but I understand. There are fireflies

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<v Speaker 1>outside and I'm just waiting for it to get dark.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, so this episode is on Mars. If you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't heard part one yet, like, what are you doing here?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? There's so many spoilers, such as

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that we just found fish in a dry

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<v Speaker 1>lake bed on Mars, so we talk about that in

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<v Speaker 1>part one. Wait is that shoe? No it's not, but

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<v Speaker 1>go back and listen to part one anyway. Part one

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<v Speaker 1>will give you all the primers you need on what

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<v Speaker 1>is Mars deal, why is it cold? Why was it

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<v Speaker 1>named after the deity of battle? What's up with its

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<v Speaker 1>two moons, one named after the Fear and the other

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<v Speaker 1>of the dread that a company wore, And why does

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<v Speaker 1>one of them crash and reform itself over and over again?

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<v Speaker 1>And how many rovers are up there? And what happens

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<v Speaker 1>when you give birth to a moon rock? And where

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<v Speaker 1>is the next Rover going? And what is the best

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<v Speaker 1>Martian sci fi? Okay, all of that in part one,

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<v Speaker 1>but now onto part two, all the weird juicy questions

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<v Speaker 1>you guys asked about Mars and had answered. But first

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<v Speaker 1>So this week, first off, I want to say get

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<v Speaker 2>Is that? So?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you guys so much for leaving those reviews. I

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<v Speaker 1>just read three of them. I normally just pick one,

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<v Speaker 1>but today I just I just wanted to say thanks,

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<v Speaker 1>to more than one person, but I do. I've read

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<v Speaker 1>all of them that you guys left this week, and

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<v Speaker 1>you're just charming, your charming human beings. But let's get

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<v Speaker 1>the heck back on Mars. Do you want to? Okay? Good? So,

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<v Speaker 1>first off, many of you were like, word areology. Has

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<v Speaker 1>that got something to do with nip slips or what?

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<v Speaker 1>And sadly no, Areology comes from Aris, the Greek god

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<v Speaker 1>of war, so Mars is his Roman stage name, and

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<v Speaker 1>the nipples ariola region comes from the Latin for little garden,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't know. Maybe that says something about Roman

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<v Speaker 1>breast hair. I'm not sure. I just wanted to answer

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<v Speaker 1>that oversight of the part one episode that should have

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<v Speaker 1>been the first thing I even talked about. Everyone's like,

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<v Speaker 1>how did you not talk about ariolas? So boom part two?

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<v Speaker 3>I did it?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Speaking of questions, let's now commence the part two

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<v Speaker 1>of all listener curiosities answered in very very squeaky chairs

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<v Speaker 1>at Caltech by the very prepared and enthusiastic, wonderful, hilarious

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<v Speaker 1>brainiac interplanetary rock enthusiast and areologist doctor Jennifer Booze. I

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<v Speaker 1>have one million questions for you. Okay, is it okay?

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<v Speaker 1>If I ask you one million? Yeah, okay, so many questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you know you are a patron. You've

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<v Speaker 1>looked at some of these Yeah, you've looked at all

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<v Speaker 1>of them.

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<v Speaker 3>The ones that were posted as of a few hours ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is what I want in someone who studies

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<v Speaker 1>other planets. Is this level of like detail and preparation,

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<v Speaker 1>like this gives me faith the space program.

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<v Speaker 3>Well I didn't. I didn't want to leave anyone hanging.

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<v Speaker 1>They're amazing, it's amazing. Okay, Well, then in that case,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do a met of order. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>you're amazing. You have notes spread up. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god. Okay, I'll put my notes away. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>you can. You can reference them. You can reference them

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<v Speaker 1>if you need them. This is the level of preparation

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<v Speaker 1>is like warming my heart. Right, I was excited too

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<v Speaker 1>deep roll. Okay, I'm going to do im a little

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<v Speaker 3>You go for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Jessica tubasaying wants to know was the god of war

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<v Speaker 1>being named Mars a suitable choice? The god of war

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<v Speaker 1>being named Mars? Was it a suitable choice? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>So I thought about it and so the reason they

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<v Speaker 3>named it that is because it's red, and so they're

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<v Speaker 3>like blood and war and stuff. And so I was thinking, like,

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<v Speaker 3>are there other planets that would be like more warlike

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<v Speaker 3>and I think maybe not planets, but like moons that

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<v Speaker 3>have a lot of volcanoes and they're like turbulent kind

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<v Speaker 3>of they're kind of more angry. But I do like

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<v Speaker 3>that Mars. I think it's appropriate because it also has

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<v Speaker 3>volcanoes and it has like ash deposits and stuff, so

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<v Speaker 3>you know that like stuff was exploding. Oh and uh,

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<v Speaker 3>but it also has these like catastrophic flood events that

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<v Speaker 3>we think happened, so like huge amounts of water just

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<v Speaker 3>like it does have some like super active processes and

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<v Speaker 3>so yeah, I think it is appropriate. I like it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I like that it's red.

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of people figure this is I'm

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<v Speaker 1>saying a lot of people, I mean me, because it's red.

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<v Speaker 1>We associate that with heat, and we associate like Mars

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<v Speaker 1>with like fury and fire. I think it's hard to

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<v Speaker 1>wrap your brain around how cold it is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, now now it's cold.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I remember I asked a question of of

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<v Speaker 1>do these rovers will stand the heat? And they're like, Uhmitch,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, well I thought it too,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I was like, would Venus be better for a

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<v Speaker 3>war planet because it's really hot on the surface of Venus.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I was like, the volcanoes on Venus are

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<v Speaker 3>like the lava from Hawaii, which is like really flowy

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<v Speaker 3>and it's not very explosive. And I was like, that's

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<v Speaker 3>not very warlike.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about the book mena from Mars?

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<v Speaker 1>Women Are from Venus.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know anything about that book.

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<v Speaker 1>It's garbage, Okay. Next question, Stu wants to know what

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<v Speaker 1>is the latest stance on Mars habitability with regards to

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<v Speaker 1>things such as bone density deterioration and other physiological aspects

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<v Speaker 1>from reduced gravity and cosmic radiation. Biologically. Could we deal

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I think it takes a lot of engineering, but

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<v Speaker 3>we could. The Man is like one tenth the gravity

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<v Speaker 3>of Earth, I want to say, and Mars is about

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<v Speaker 3>one third the gravity. So there's still gravity on Mars,

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<v Speaker 3>and so it's like probably not going to be as

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<v Speaker 3>bad as like other places you go, for example, like

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<v Speaker 3>the space station where it's like no gravity, so you

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<v Speaker 3>can be a human, I feel like on Mars. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you got to take your other stuff with you, like

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<v Speaker 3>your air and your water and your food.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like byoe, like bring around everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly for real. Yeah, but it's not impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah cool. Greg ariel Belk, Craig Curry, and Jorge

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<v Speaker 1>Barnett all asked the same basic question. Okay, so this

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<v Speaker 1>is a super question. Okay, in light of the giant

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<v Speaker 1>dust storm that seems to have knocked out the curiosity,

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<v Speaker 1>what is the most useful to humanity right now information

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<v Speaker 1>that it has collected since its arrival to the red planet.

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<v Speaker 1>So questions about dust storms yea, and what's the best

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that the rovers have gotten?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So, like I was thinking about this a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the best stuff the rivers have gotten? I think

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<v Speaker 3>that like seeing that Mars was habitable in the past

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<v Speaker 3>was probably the most interesting and maybe useful to humanity

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<v Speaker 3>kind of thing because we can see like how we

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<v Speaker 3>see how Mars has changed with time and like how

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<v Speaker 3>Earth might change with time to and also like what

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<v Speaker 3>the different extremes like that we can have on different

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<v Speaker 3>planets are So that's like super interesting. And then yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the dust storm, I don't know, it's just like a

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<v Speaker 3>cool global phenomenon it but yeah, for curiosity, we're not

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<v Speaker 3>super worried about it. That's the other stuff, the other rivers.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is a pretty big one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is a I think it is a global

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<v Speaker 3>dust storm. And there have been global dust storms that

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<v Speaker 3>have lasted I think like months. I don't know that

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<v Speaker 3>they know how long this one will last because I

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<v Speaker 3>think it's still getting worse. Oh yeah, the first like

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<v Speaker 3>one of the first satellites they sent to Mars. When

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<v Speaker 3>they got there, it was in a dust storm, so

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<v Speaker 3>they actually couldn't even really see the surface, which so frustrating.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was like a flyby too. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>like not like they could go back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh it's like getting your period on your wedding day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah maybe sorry, Mars red planet indeed, Okay, Elliott Anya

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<v Speaker 1>and el Martinez both wants both want to know realistically

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<v Speaker 1>how close are we both politically and technically to a

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<v Speaker 1>crude mission to Mars happening. And by crude I mean

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<v Speaker 1>crew see ew, not like a crude mission.

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<v Speaker 3>Where it's just like crud.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like crude. And I'm saying crude because sometimes people

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<v Speaker 1>still say manned, and let's be honest, it's crude if

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, what, okay, So manned suggests all dudes, which

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<v Speaker 1>is not accurate sometimes. And also, if we want more

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<v Speaker 1>women in space, let's not suggest that they do not

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<v Speaker 1>belong there. So manned is kind of as awkwardly specific

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<v Speaker 1>as saying woman crude, nice and neutral. So saying a

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<v Speaker 1>manned mission to Mars just FYI in today's day and

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<v Speaker 1>age is a little crude because manned is a little

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<v Speaker 1>old fashioned.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure. So, like NASA has plans to have

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<v Speaker 3>humans on Mars by the twenty twenty thirty three. I

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<v Speaker 3>happening related to that. I'm not positive about that. But

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<v Speaker 3>that was like they were like we will do this,

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<v Speaker 3>Think that like, technologically, I mean, I'm not someone who

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you think they should pick for stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>last year. Her name's Jessica Watkins and she studied Mars.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh Man. This lady, Jessica Watkins from Colorado, former rugby player, pilot,

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<v Speaker 1>handling slime late at night. I don't know, but if

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, just be me.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a marisciologist and now a NASA astronaut.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy I'd be.

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<v Speaker 3>So psyched if she was the one going on that.

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<v Speaker 1>Does she want to go?

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<v Speaker 1>for terraforming and is there an initiative within NASA or

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<v Speaker 1>What terraforming is landscaping. It's partial landscaping. Yeah, uh, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>it means to transform a planet to be more like Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>presumably so that we can go live there. So I imagine

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<v Speaker 3>Can you review the question?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, essentially, what are the biggest hurdles for terraforming?

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<v Speaker 1>it exactly. Even though the sun is farther away, you're

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<v Speaker 1>technical terms, h a shit ton of work, which brings

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<v Speaker 1>up the age old question of why bother Jeffrey Katz

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<v Speaker 1>wants to know. Is it worth the trouble and expense

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<v Speaker 1>effort into more sophisticated robots. Hello, I am a sophisticated

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<v Speaker 1>robot now, ILike French films and expensive coffee.

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<v Speaker 3>like we've gone to the moon and collected rocks and

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<v Speaker 3>it's like so useful for a person to just like

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<v Speaker 3>and also be super sick to be on Mars. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's like really cool too. But then like if you

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<v Speaker 3>go to Mars, you can't only be there for so long,

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<v Speaker 1>It's also it also seems like a pride thing, like

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<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like because we can, Yeah, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 1>If you go to Mars and you pee on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Who owns Mars? Do you own Mars if you just

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<v Speaker 1>peede on it? Is that how it works? Or is

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<v Speaker 1>it just like in an does the world? Does Earth

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<v Speaker 3>Uh, yeah, I think it's like a big debate. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know if necessarily it's debated, but it's a big

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<v Speaker 3>issue with with Mars. There's like a whole thing called

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<v Speaker 3>to go through like incredible lengths to make sure that

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<v Speaker 3>we're not contaminating the planet. Like NASA has like they're like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't do that, Like you can't even go a

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<v Speaker 3>and then we accidentally colonize Mars. You know, like there's

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<v Speaker 3>all this debate about that. But then there's all these

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<v Speaker 3>like private companies and they're like, well, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>We're kind of going to be trespassing. Yeah, So there

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<v Speaker 1>is a wealth of information about planetary protection. This is

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<v Speaker 1>keeping space microbes off of Earth and also not shipping

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<v Speaker 1>our gross Earth microbes to Martians. These planetary protections include

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<v Speaker 1>reads like a very long winded like employees must wash

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<v Speaker 1>hands after using the restroom sign like so duh. But

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<v Speaker 1>also if these rules weren't in place, you know, some

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<v Speaker 1>different rocks have been identified on Mars and how long

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<v Speaker 1>does it take to send commands to the rover and

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So there are many different types of rocks that

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<v Speaker 3>have been found of Mars, but they're pretty much all

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<v Speaker 3>the same as Earth rocks. So there's like basalt, which

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<v Speaker 3>came from other places, yeah, that we found with the rovers.

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<v Speaker 1>There's it's weird to think there's a chunk of Earth

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<v Speaker 3>What, Yeah, actually I think that like they wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>send a part of a meteorite back to Mars just

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<v Speaker 3>like a little bit. Yeah, but yeah, it's harder, I

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<v Speaker 3>think to get a rock from Earth to Mars, like

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<v Speaker 3>because of their orbits and they're dis instrument the sun.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know. I mean, you know, there's probably

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<v Speaker 1>Danny Kay wants to know, is it possible to have

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<v Speaker 1>a water balloon fight on Mars the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so so yes, in certain places at certain times.

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<v Speaker 3>So the question is related to the fact that water's

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<v Speaker 3>have like a like a soft like a baseball, or

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<v Speaker 3>for brief moments in time enough pressure and enough atmosphereic

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so certain spots, and that's why we need to

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<v Speaker 1>send more rovers. It's to find out where to have

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<v Speaker 1>the water balloon fights.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And also the street value of that water balloon is

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<v Speaker 1>from elsewhere. Yeah, so that's like having a balloon fight

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<v Speaker 1>don't even think about a super soaker. This is asking

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<v Speaker 1>inventor of the super soaker, who was a NASA engineer.

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<v Speaker 1>You can see my minisode about Summer that just went

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to get bored or tired of Mars,

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, so, like I already studied the Moon, and

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<v Speaker 1>It's really cute. It is really cute that it is.

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's part of Earth. There are a ton

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<v Speaker 3>that I think are super fascinating, like the icy icy

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<v Speaker 1>Quick check in on Jupiter and Saturn's moons. So well,

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<v Speaker 1>Jupiter and Saturn have more populous relationships with their moons,

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<v Speaker 1>like just a sexy, consensual poly situation. Saturn has sixty

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<v Speaker 1>two moons and Jupiter has a blessed auspicious sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>including the icy Europa, which is the star of an

421
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<v Speaker 1>upcoming NASA flyby mission and a possible lander way down

422
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<v Speaker 1>the line, all on the hunt for interplanetary critters. Despite

423
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<v Speaker 1>that these two planets have like moon orgies and literally

424
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<v Speaker 1>rain diamonds, perhaps the best planet is just whichever goddamn

425
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<v Speaker 1>one you're sitting on.

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<v Speaker 3>I really like Earth too. I am a geologist, and

427
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<v Speaker 3>sometimes I want to spend a little more time thinking

428
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<v Speaker 3>about Earth.

429
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah do you do that on weekends?

430
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? All the time.

431
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. You just go hiking and you're like, look at that,

432
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<v Speaker 1>yeah sandstone and that sentiment. Yeah, that's gotta be great,

433
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<v Speaker 1>because you know how sometimes you'll go on a hike

434
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<v Speaker 1>and if you don't know shit about geology, you'll like

435
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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of cool rocks, but you kind of need

436
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<v Speaker 1>someone to go with you to be like, look at that,

437
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<v Speaker 1>look at that.

438
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<v Speaker 3>Look. Yeah, I know I have a problem right now,

439
00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:15.279
<v Speaker 3>which is I just moved to flag Staff and I

440
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<v Speaker 3>have one friend.

441
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<v Speaker 1>Flag staff people.

442
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<v Speaker 3>And flagstaff should come on an a geology hike with me.

443
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<v Speaker 1>Now I have to visit flag Staff. Yeah, I feel

444
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<v Speaker 1>like you're gonna have some serious flag staff friends after this.

445
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<v Speaker 1>Flag Staff hit up Jen booze at Bugaboos bug A

446
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<v Speaker 1>b u z on Instagram. B friends enjoy some rock hikes. Yeah,

447
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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna have a whole posse and flag Staff.

448
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<v Speaker 3>That'd be cool.

449
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, oloft doatch Key wants to know, is it true

450
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<v Speaker 1>that the Mars day, which is twenty four hours and

451
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<v Speaker 1>thirty seven minutes better suits the human bio rhythm?

452
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I think that would be really weird if that

453
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<v Speaker 3>was the case. But so like the the rover teams

454
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<v Speaker 3>when when the rivers first land the first ninety saws,

455
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<v Speaker 3>they live on Mars time, so they are they artificially

456
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<v Speaker 3>make their days that long and they do operations during that,

457
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<v Speaker 3>but it's super hard because the Earth it's not on

458
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<v Speaker 3>that time. So then then they'd be awake, like in

459
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<v Speaker 3>the middle of the night and stuff. So it's hard

460
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<v Speaker 3>for me to imagine that that's the case, but no idea.

461
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<v Speaker 1>Is it only another thirty seven minutes? Yeah, but it

462
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<v Speaker 1>adds up.

463
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, like, get like two days into it,

464
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<v Speaker 3>you're already like one hour off and stuff. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's interesting that we call them days. They

466
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<v Speaker 1>call them souls. Sauls, Yeah, sauls. Yeah, that's kind of cute.

467
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah it is. Yeah, so we celebrate the saals on Mars.

468
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<v Speaker 1>That's cute.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh A.

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<v Speaker 1>Lonth just straight up wants to know is their life

471
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<v Speaker 1>on Mars.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say that there's probably like no way

473
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<v Speaker 3>that we took every single bug off the rivers that

474
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<v Speaker 3>we sent, so like maybe there's like some little microbe

475
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<v Speaker 3>still alive. And I want to say that, you know,

476
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<v Speaker 3>maybe there were microbes way early on.

477
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<v Speaker 1>This was a very pregnant pause, pregnant with moon rocks.

478
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<v Speaker 3>Maybe I'm not gonna say you know what, I'm gonna

479
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<v Speaker 3>just I'm just gonna say.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Okay, this is a good prediction because later, like

481
00:24:14.160 --> 00:24:15.960
<v Speaker 1>when they find it, you'll be like, please see my

482
00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:17.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen interview where.

483
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<v Speaker 3>I would just said definitively yes, I'm just gonna say yes.

484
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<v Speaker 1>But again, Christopher Barley had a great question that I

485
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<v Speaker 1>didn't even I hadn't considered. He says, Uh, I seem

486
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<v Speaker 1>to remember that the northern half of Mars is completely

487
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<v Speaker 1>smooth while the southern half is full of craters. Yeah,

488
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<v Speaker 1>what's up? Do we understand what caused this and why

489
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<v Speaker 1>the inconsistency?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so, like, uh, I think that maybe the major

491
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<v Speaker 3>idea for this is that there was a big impact

492
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<v Speaker 3>that that came in like at an oblique angle and

493
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<v Speaker 3>just like shaved off the top of Mars and then

494
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<v Speaker 3>it was like low. And there's also a lot of

495
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<v Speaker 3>debate about the they're called the Northern Lowlands the Southern Highlands,

496
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<v Speaker 3>and so they Southern Highlands are like way older, super

497
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<v Speaker 3>eft up landscapes, and people think that and there's like, uh,

498
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<v Speaker 3>what we think were like catastrophic floods going up there.

499
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<v Speaker 3>So there's some idea that there was an ocean up

500
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<v Speaker 3>there too, which may explain that, and then like volcanism

501
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<v Speaker 3>related to that like impact, so all things that could

502
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<v Speaker 3>have smoothed it out.

503
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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, that's so odd. I didn't even know

504
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<v Speaker 1>that about about Mars.

505
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's called the crystal dichotomy boundary. Oh, crystal dicotomy.

506
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<v Speaker 3>So it's like it's got just like half of the

507
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<v Speaker 3>crust is high and like left up and old, and

508
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<v Speaker 3>the other half is low and smooth.

509
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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's so interesting. It's like it got an acid

510
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<v Speaker 1>peel and it's like new, but it's exfoliated on a

511
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<v Speaker 1>half of space. Yeah, it was a group on it

512
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<v Speaker 1>half of Thomas Mayor wants to know what thoughts on

513
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<v Speaker 1>elon Musk and nuking the poles of the planet. What

514
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<v Speaker 1>is that question about.

515
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So there's this idea that like, if you want

516
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<v Speaker 3>to make the atmosphere of Mars thicker, you could just

517
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<v Speaker 3>like melt the poles and so all that water and

518
00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:10.599
<v Speaker 3>carbon dioxide that's like trapped in dry ice and water

519
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<v Speaker 3>ice will be in the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it.

521
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But I love Mars. It's like really pretty as

522
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<v Speaker 3>it is. Yeah, I don't really want to do that.

523
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<v Speaker 3>So that's my opinion on it.

524
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<v Speaker 1>And also, now that I'm a Mars expert, there's kind

525
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<v Speaker 1>of not going to be an atmosphere to keep all

526
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<v Speaker 1>that stuff in or would that give the atmosphere to

527
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<v Speaker 1>keep it in. Is there any of a shield?

528
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I don't think you. You'd have to protect it. Okay,

529
00:26:30.599 --> 00:26:33.119
<v Speaker 3>it would go away eventually, like the rest of Mars

530
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<v Speaker 3>atmosphere dead. I mean, I'm weren't careful. I'm pretty much

531
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<v Speaker 3>like your coworker now because I know so much. I'm

532
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<v Speaker 3>just checking.

533
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<v Speaker 1>How do you feel about Elon Musk's fetishizing of Mars?

534
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, like the same. ID. I would be

535
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<v Speaker 3>really sad if I if I looked at Mars and

536
00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:53.319
<v Speaker 3>it was just like another Earth, because it's so cool

537
00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.319
<v Speaker 3>that it's not, and it's like, it's like so fascinating.

538
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<v Speaker 3>So it'd be it's like, what, you know, your favorite

539
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:02.000
<v Speaker 3>desert landscape, and then all of a sudden it's a suburb.

540
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.119
<v Speaker 3>It's like not the same, it's the lame.

541
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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly there's a best buy on Mars and you're like

542
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<v Speaker 1>the fuck?

543
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:08.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, Chick fil A.

544
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:10.039
<v Speaker 1>You're like, who are you Mars?

545
00:27:10.279 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

546
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Why does Elon Musk have such a boner for Mars?

547
00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

548
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.519
<v Speaker 1>He's so horny for it. I'm gonna look into that.

549
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:18.640
<v Speaker 1>So why does he love it so much? I'm not

550
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:20.720
<v Speaker 1>quite sure, but he has said that Space travel is

551
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<v Speaker 1>the best thing we can do to extend the life

552
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<v Speaker 1>of humanity, and he said that he wants to die

553
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<v Speaker 1>on Mars, just not on Impact. Now. In part one

554
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<v Speaker 1>of Areology, I mentioned my hardcore, brilliant scientist friends, Casey

555
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<v Speaker 1>and Christine, both NASA scientists, who introduced me to Jennifer.

556
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<v Speaker 1>So the day after this episode went up, Casey and

557
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<v Speaker 1>Christine happened to have seen their other pal, the science

558
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<v Speaker 1>fiction writer Kim Stanley Robinson, who I mentioned. He's the

559
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<v Speaker 1>writer of these really beautiful books, the Red Mars series

560
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:57.440
<v Speaker 1>that people love. I naturally freaked out, and Casey and

561
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<v Speaker 1>Christine were kind enough to conduct an impromt do interview

562
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<v Speaker 1>with them that they just recorded on one of their phones.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi Eli, Hi Jennifer, It's stan Robinson.

564
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<v Speaker 1>To get his take about interplanetary habitation. What did a

565
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<v Speaker 1>brilliant science fiction writer who owned describing Mars say about

566
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<v Speaker 1>us being on Mars?

567
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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's a wrong idea, So you don't want a

568
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<v Speaker 2>wrong idea hanging out there with the notion that and

569
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<v Speaker 2>I think, actually, and maybe it's one of these ideas

570
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<v Speaker 2>that floats around the Internet at the level of commentary

571
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:32.400
<v Speaker 2>that isn't really thinking, so maybe nobody really believes this idea,

572
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:34.720
<v Speaker 2>and it's not that much of a moral hazard, but

573
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<v Speaker 2>the notion that we have any other place than Earth

574
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<v Speaker 2>is clearly falls. And it's not that you couldn't care

575
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<v Speaker 2>for Mars, it's just that it might take ten thousand

576
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<v Speaker 2>years to do it, and we've got a one hundred

577
00:28:46.839 --> 00:28:49.559
<v Speaker 2>year emergency that we're living in, so the time scales

578
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>are badly off, and you don't want to ever think

579
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<v Speaker 2>that we've got any other place than Earth. One thing

580
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:58.240
<v Speaker 2>that you do keep hearing from people is the idea

581
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<v Speaker 2>that if we had five thousand people on Mars and

582
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<v Speaker 2>the living semi independently of Earth, and then Earth was somehow,

583
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:09.319
<v Speaker 2>by some mysterious and basically fictional disaster that everybody on

584
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Earth died, that after that those five thousand people from

585
00:29:13.680 --> 00:29:15.799
<v Speaker 2>Mars could come back to Earth and then it would

586
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:17.960
<v Speaker 2>all be okay. That you don't want to have all

587
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.000
<v Speaker 2>your eggs in one basket. This is how it's put

588
00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:23.759
<v Speaker 2>that there should be a backup to humanity itself. To me,

589
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:27.359
<v Speaker 2>the badness of that idea is not only the moral hazard,

590
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 2>like maybe we could just go ahead and blow ourselves up,

591
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.319
<v Speaker 2>but that that would be any kind of compensation for

592
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:35.759
<v Speaker 2>the loss of so many humans that humanity isn't that

593
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<v Speaker 2>valuable that if we were to lose all of humanity

594
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<v Speaker 2>on Earth and all of the rest of the mammals, etc.

595
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:40.839
<v Speaker 1>Etc.

596
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<v Speaker 2>Who cares if some humans come back twenty thousand years later.

597
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:47.000
<v Speaker 2>We probably should have gone extinct at that moment from

598
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:52.240
<v Speaker 2>our own stupidity. So I'm completely against that whole line

599
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 2>of thought of we need an emergency population somewhere else

600
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:00.519
<v Speaker 2>in case we excellently killed everybody off on Earth. You

601
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.480
<v Speaker 2>can't kill off everybody on Earth. We're like cockroaches. The

602
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<v Speaker 2>only conceivable thing that might do it is a gigantic

603
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<v Speaker 2>asteroid impact. To detect and deflect asteroids that are incoming

604
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<v Speaker 2>and save ourselves from a big old bang is the

605
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<v Speaker 2>obvious first thing that spacefaring work ought to be devoted to.

606
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<v Speaker 1>So saving our species while kicking it on an annex

607
00:30:24.759 --> 00:30:28.759
<v Speaker 1>planet while Earth burns maybe not a good idea. Sandymore

608
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<v Speaker 1>wants to know how much time and money do we

609
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<v Speaker 1>spend studying Mars and the Earth's oceans. Should we focus

610
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<v Speaker 1>on one more than the other when it comes to

611
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<v Speaker 1>making life better for life on Earth? Like essentially why

612
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<v Speaker 1>are we studying more so much when we are catastrophically

613
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<v Speaker 1>fucking up Earth.

614
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's actually a lot of people say, you know,

615
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:50.240
<v Speaker 3>we know more about Mars and we know about the

616
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<v Speaker 3>bottom of the ocean. It's like really hard to study

617
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<v Speaker 3>the bottom of the ocean. I don't know, Like Mars

618
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<v Speaker 3>is like a thing that makes people so curious and

619
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.200
<v Speaker 3>like it just like broadens our perspective, and so does

620
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 3>the bottom of the ocean. It's hard for me to

621
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:07.079
<v Speaker 3>really say we shouldn't study the bottom of the ocean.

622
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>But also there's that necklace from Titanic down.

623
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<v Speaker 3>There, Yeah, Mars, Like there is a lot of the

624
00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:17.359
<v Speaker 3>reason that we study Mars is because it was like

625
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:19.960
<v Speaker 3>early on in its history was so earth like and

626
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:23.160
<v Speaker 3>so it's like basically an old version of Earth and

627
00:31:23.799 --> 00:31:26.160
<v Speaker 3>it's like so fascinating to see how it evolved and

628
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:28.519
<v Speaker 3>so whereas like, I don't know, you could say that

629
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<v Speaker 3>about the ocean. I don't know. I don't know. Maybe

630
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<v Speaker 3>I shouldn't compare them so.

631
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<v Speaker 1>Much, but maybe it's like a cautionary tale.

632
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, you know that could be us like cold

633
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<v Speaker 3>and dusty.

634
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like when you watch Careful, like eat true Hollywood

635
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>story and you're like, oh man, what happened? You know, yeah,

636
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>what happened to them? So if you ever think that

637
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.440
<v Speaker 1>your life is kind of slow and boring, just think

638
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>we are experiencing like a live fast, die young, crash

639
00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and burn, tawdry cautionary tale every day just by using

640
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.720
<v Speaker 1>plastics and fossil fuels to ruin the planet. This was

641
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>meant as like a lighthearted aside, but now I'm depressed anyway.

642
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<v Speaker 1>Mars exploration is important both scientifically and existentially. Jennifer says, Okay,

643
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<v Speaker 1>so maybe I'm going to say that it's a cautionary

644
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<v Speaker 1>tale thing.

645
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<v Speaker 3>I think it serves to broaden our perspective of life

646
00:32:21.039 --> 00:32:25.680
<v Speaker 3>and of the Solar System and the evolution of it.

647
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<v Speaker 3>And it's just like a great thing for us to

648
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<v Speaker 3>think about. So that's how I think it gives us

649
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:32.440
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more of a perspective.

650
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, do you think people get do you think people

651
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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of existential crises thinking about Mars and

652
00:32:39.559 --> 00:32:43.279
<v Speaker 1>other planets and that this isn't the only planet, Like,

653
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<v Speaker 1>do you think that it's psychologically a lot of people

654
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<v Speaker 1>kind of grapple with Mars and other planets as a concept.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Yeah, yeah, I think, especially when we start to

656
00:32:55.640 --> 00:33:02.640
<v Speaker 3>think about life. Yeah, so what does it all mean?

657
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<v Speaker 3>You know, we're not alone on this Earth's not the

658
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<v Speaker 3>only planet. I don't know.

659
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean how big.

660
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:12.079
<v Speaker 3>There's like more earths now, you know, like with all

661
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:16.640
<v Speaker 3>these exoplanets being discovered, a super earths and other types

662
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<v Speaker 3>of planets. Yeah. Do you think people often like feel

663
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<v Speaker 3>very small when they think about these things?

664
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<v Speaker 1>Right? But I think it's almost a relief. I feel

665
00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:27.759
<v Speaker 1>like you don't matter. Oh yeah, there's a relief in that,

666
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:32.240
<v Speaker 1>Like everything seems so huge, parking tickets and like this

667
00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>person like didn't follow me back on Instagram or whatever.

668
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.440
<v Speaker 1>And then you're like, oh shit, I'm just like a

669
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<v Speaker 1>tiny microbe. It doesn't matter. Maybe I can relax a

670
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<v Speaker 1>little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, unless you start to think that we are the

672
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<v Speaker 3>only life, and then you're like we're the only life

673
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<v Speaker 3>and we're fucking it up. Oh no, you could take

674
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<v Speaker 3>it both ways.

675
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>You're like an only child who ends up like being

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<v Speaker 1>a HELLI in.

677
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean I do think that having an appreciation,

679
00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:59.359
<v Speaker 1>fostering an appreciation for other planets maybe does make us

680
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<v Speaker 1>look back. At least the question is being asked san anymore, like,

681
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:06.680
<v Speaker 1>should we be paying more attention to our own planet?

682
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<v Speaker 1>Maybe appreciating Mars makes us have more appreciation of our

683
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<v Speaker 1>own planet too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I don't think that Mars research is wasted

685
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:16.800
<v Speaker 3>money at all. I think it inspires a lot of

686
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:18.960
<v Speaker 3>people and it's super fascinating and we learn a lot

687
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:22.320
<v Speaker 3>about it and gives us a lot of perspective. So really, yeah,

688
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<v Speaker 3>I don't think that. Yeah, in terms of like how

689
00:34:25.760 --> 00:34:27.239
<v Speaker 3>much money we spend on it and stuff, I think

690
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:27.840
<v Speaker 3>it's worthwhile.

691
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<v Speaker 1>Right, do you know how much people spend on like

692
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<v Speaker 1>hair restoration and viagra?

693
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:35.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like a lot of money.

694
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<v Speaker 1>So just a little FYI, the US spends about a

695
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<v Speaker 1>billion and a half dollars per year on viagra. It's

696
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<v Speaker 1>like seventy dollars a pill. I had no idea it

697
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 1>was so costly. Did you know that? Don't tell me?

698
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<v Speaker 3>So.

699
00:34:52.519 --> 00:34:56.360
<v Speaker 1>The US Department of Defense alone spends roughly eighty four

700
00:34:56.400 --> 00:35:01.480
<v Speaker 1>million annually on dick pills. So many dollars, So many dicks. Now,

701
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:05.519
<v Speaker 1>Americans spend eight hundred million dollars a year on hair restoration,

702
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>and we collectively spend eight point five billion dollars on

703
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:15.320
<v Speaker 1>manicures in the us every year. So I don't know

704
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:16.960
<v Speaker 1>when it comes to what we spend our money on,

705
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.199
<v Speaker 1>I have no answers. I have no answers. It's all confounding.

706
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we should probably spend more on food for

707
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:26.639
<v Speaker 1>people who need it, and clean water or corn dogs

708
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:29.440
<v Speaker 1>hugs are free. I don't know. I don't have answers.

709
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<v Speaker 1>Billy Marina wants to know from the data we've gathered

710
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<v Speaker 1>so far, have we learned anything from Mars that has

711
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<v Speaker 1>significantly changed the way we understand Earth?

712
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so okay, So this is I was thinking about.

713
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:44.199
<v Speaker 3>We compare Mars lot to early Earth and so that

714
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:45.719
<v Speaker 3>in that sense, it is a little bit we have

715
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:47.559
<v Speaker 3>talked about a little bit about it because it gives

716
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:50.079
<v Speaker 3>us this different perspective of our own planet and like

717
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:53.360
<v Speaker 3>how these plants have evolved. But then there's also these

718
00:35:53.400 --> 00:35:56.800
<v Speaker 3>like fundamental differences between Mars and Earth, Like Mars doesn't

719
00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:59.920
<v Speaker 3>have a magnetic field, now, Mars doesn't have plate tectonics,

720
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:03.400
<v Speaker 3>Mars is super iron rich, Like what did those differences

721
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:05.760
<v Speaker 3>mean for us? Like because we only have one data

722
00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.679
<v Speaker 3>point here, now we have like more info on this

723
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:11.440
<v Speaker 3>other planet and seeing how those things make it different.

724
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<v Speaker 3>So that's like those are the like the big things

725
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.119
<v Speaker 3>that we learned. Just like comparatively, Mars gives us a

726
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:20.559
<v Speaker 3>glimpse into the early Solar system and stuff that was

727
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.320
<v Speaker 3>going on in that in that early time, and then

728
00:36:23.360 --> 00:36:28.400
<v Speaker 3>we learn like processes that happen on Earth could have

729
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.360
<v Speaker 3>happened on Mars, but like in totally different ways, like

730
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:34.639
<v Speaker 3>sand ripples. Like my friend Mitiu did this work where

731
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:38.000
<v Speaker 3>it was like, uh, he found these like ripples on

732
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.119
<v Speaker 3>sand dunes on Mars that like are subequious here, but

733
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<v Speaker 3>like they're they're just like because of the Mars atmosphere

734
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<v Speaker 3>is different, they happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, so we can compare geologic features and realize

736
00:36:50.440 --> 00:36:54.239
<v Speaker 1>that they can be created under two completely different Yeah exactly.

737
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<v Speaker 3>It's like kind of mind blowing.

738
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's nuts because you're like, oh that would this

739
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<v Speaker 1>would lead you to believe it's definitely this causing it,

740
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<v Speaker 1>and it's like not really exactly. Yeah, that's creepy. That's cool.

741
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<v Speaker 3>So that's I think that's like really valuable stuff.

742
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Baron wants to know since once there was water

743
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<v Speaker 1>on Mars, is Mars dust as horrifically nasty as lunar

744
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:19.639
<v Speaker 1>dust and Apparently dust on the Moon had no water

745
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.320
<v Speaker 1>to a road around the edges, and so it was

746
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>spiky and super damaging to equipment and fleshy bits like

747
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:27.559
<v Speaker 1>say lungs.

748
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:31.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so the Mars dust in terms of like it

749
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 3>being sharpened stuff, it's not as sharp as moondust. So

750
00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:36.079
<v Speaker 3>it's just it's like really fine. It's like just like

751
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:38.280
<v Speaker 3>Earth a lot of ways, like earth dust, but it

752
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:41.599
<v Speaker 3>has sometimes it has like salts and stuff in it

753
00:37:41.639 --> 00:37:43.800
<v Speaker 3>that are really toxic, so like you don't want to

754
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:47.519
<v Speaker 3>like you don't want to eat it necessarily, but it's

755
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:51.559
<v Speaker 3>not gonna like kill you either. I think you probably

756
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.679
<v Speaker 3>need to wear like a dust mask, but it's you know,

757
00:37:54.800 --> 00:37:57.519
<v Speaker 3>otherwise I don't. I think it's probably fine. And actually

758
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:01.079
<v Speaker 3>they study there's like experience where they have like fake

759
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:04.599
<v Speaker 3>Mars dirt and dust and they grow stuff in it. Oh,

760
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:07.480
<v Speaker 3>just like thinking about if we could grow stuff on Mars.

761
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<v Speaker 1>Does it work? Yeah, it does so from Andy Weir,

762
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:15.840
<v Speaker 1>taking your desiccated feces and mixing them with Mars dust

763
00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:17.599
<v Speaker 1>possibly could work.

764
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I think I think they have to do some

765
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<v Speaker 3>stuff to it, but like I think the idea is

766
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<v Speaker 3>like could we And I think the answer is yes, right, Yeah.

767
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:26.920
<v Speaker 1>Do you guys have to put money in a jar

768
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<v Speaker 1>every time someone in your lab says, let's science the

769
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<v Speaker 1>shit out of this.

770
00:38:30.159 --> 00:38:32.079
<v Speaker 3>No one ever says that just checking.

771
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.280
<v Speaker 1>If someone did, would you guys be like, oh, come on.

772
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:40.599
<v Speaker 3>I think so, I think there'd be some eyerols going on.

773
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<v Speaker 1>Katherine Woodrow and Michelle Sullivan both asked about microbial life

774
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<v Speaker 1>on Mars. Which type of bacteria do you think would

775
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:51.000
<v Speaker 1>be the most likely to be found. Michelle Sullivan was like,

776
00:38:51.000 --> 00:38:52.960
<v Speaker 1>a cinobacteria.

777
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so like extremophiles, I think for sure. I don't

778
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:58.079
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't like tell you a specific bacteria, but like

779
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<v Speaker 3>extrema files are things that live in extreme places, and

780
00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:03.480
<v Speaker 3>so I think that's what we could find there. And

781
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:06.920
<v Speaker 3>I think cyan there's some cyanobacteria that fit that category.

782
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:09.639
<v Speaker 3>And then like these microfossils that they thought were in

783
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:12.679
<v Speaker 3>this meteorite, those were magneto tactic bacteria. So if it

784
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.639
<v Speaker 3>were true that that were that they were fossils, then

785
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:18.360
<v Speaker 3>maybe we could find that there. And since Mars did

786
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.079
<v Speaker 3>have a magnetic feel, it's not totally out of the

787
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:23.360
<v Speaker 3>question that they could have used it. Interesting, Yeah, and

788
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:26.199
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of iron theres that's another possibility.

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<v Speaker 1>So quick aside. I got to tour JPL with my

790
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:33.280
<v Speaker 1>lovely NASA engineer friend, Hollybunder Hi Holly, and I was

791
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 1>particularly struck by the observation deck that looked into a

792
00:39:37.960 --> 00:39:41.760
<v Speaker 1>clean room, which appears to be a scene from Charlie

793
00:39:41.800 --> 00:39:45.119
<v Speaker 1>and the Chocolate Factory, but with more golden capped on

794
00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:49.159
<v Speaker 1>space tape and wires and less candy. And I was like,

795
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<v Speaker 1>these people building these rocket ships, like, do they have

796
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<v Speaker 1>to shower twelve times a day every time they come

797
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:57.239
<v Speaker 1>in and out of this room? How does this work?

798
00:39:57.480 --> 00:39:59.599
<v Speaker 1>If I applied to NASA, would they hook me up

799
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<v Speaker 1>to a light detector test to find out how often

800
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:05.159
<v Speaker 1>I actually wash my hair? How do they know when

801
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<v Speaker 1>they're building the rovers, when they're in the clean room

802
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<v Speaker 1>that like it's actually clean.

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<v Speaker 3>I think they have a bunch of these like things

804
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<v Speaker 3>that measure how many particles are in the air. Okay, yeah,

805
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<v Speaker 3>so they like have to be below a certain particle count,

806
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<v Speaker 3>and then I think they also like probably autoclave a

807
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<v Speaker 3>bunch of stuff, right, But otherwise I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Jude Kidding wants to know what color is the sky

809
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<v Speaker 1>on Mars, are there long sunsets or does it switch

810
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<v Speaker 1>to dark quickly? And can you see Earth from Mars?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so the color of Mars, the color of the

812
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<v Speaker 3>sky on Mars is like a butter Scotch COLORO.

813
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So the which we know like from taking pictures and

815
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<v Speaker 3>stuff of Mars. So there's a lot of like dust

816
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<v Speaker 3>in the atmosphere, so it's dimmer. It's like way further

817
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.360
<v Speaker 3>from the sun than Earth is, so it's dimmer, but

818
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<v Speaker 3>there's still sunlight, but it's just darker, and so you think,

819
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<v Speaker 3>and the days are about the same length, so I

820
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<v Speaker 3>guess in a way it gets darker quicker, but only

821
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<v Speaker 3>because there's less of light to begin with. Maybe, Yeah.

822
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<v Speaker 3>But then the dust like interacts with the atmosphere in

823
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<v Speaker 3>the sunlight differently than it does on Earth because it's

824
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<v Speaker 3>just like super iron rich dust. And so I think

825
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<v Speaker 3>that's why it's like a more butter Scotch color than

826
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<v Speaker 3>here we have like this blue color.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that asking like why is this sky blue?

828
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<v Speaker 1>Is a kid question trope, and I'm always a little

829
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<v Speaker 1>embarrassed that I'm a grown adult and I don't really

830
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<v Speaker 1>remember why it is blue. It's always like eh, is

831
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.519
<v Speaker 1>the sky blue? I don't know, so if you're like, H,

832
00:41:31.559 --> 00:41:33.400
<v Speaker 1>me too, I just looked it up for the both

833
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.320
<v Speaker 1>of us. So, according to a NASA web page made

834
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<v Speaker 1>for five year olds, all the colors in the visual

835
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<v Speaker 1>spectrum add up to white, but blue light is scattered

836
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<v Speaker 1>more than other colors because it travels as shorter, smaller waves,

837
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<v Speaker 1>so it scatters. We see it mostly blue. But on

838
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<v Speaker 1>the red planet of Mars, the sky is this butterscotch

839
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<v Speaker 1>color because of all the iron dust, which got me

840
00:41:56.239 --> 00:42:00.960
<v Speaker 1>feeling very entrepreneurial. Hear me out, open up brunch place

841
00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:05.880
<v Speaker 1>called blood and Butterscotch. It's all moder's themes. Everything is

842
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.920
<v Speaker 1>made of past iron skillets. It's very iron rich. Okay,

843
00:42:09.119 --> 00:42:12.639
<v Speaker 1>it's red. It's really cold. But we never turn on the.

844
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 3>Heater and we never dust anywhere.

845
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Never dust anything.

846
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.880
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't sound that advertizing. She gets points for honesty,

847
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:25.559
<v Speaker 3>but like it could have like that like interesting factor.

848
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we could only have like freeze dried food.

849
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:30.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, you know what I mean.

850
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:32.840
<v Speaker 1>Composting toilets. I'm gonna work.

851
00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:33.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

852
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Kevin McPhillips wants to know five year old Finley McPhillips

853
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking as a relative wants to know, would a

854
00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:46.320
<v Speaker 1>helium balloon still float on Mars? Also, Finley, I'm sorry

855
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:48.119
<v Speaker 1>if you've heard me say the F word like fifty

856
00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.920
<v Speaker 1>times in the course of every podcast.

857
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:57.320
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, I think helium is still like lighter than

858
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:00.599
<v Speaker 3>the atmosphere of Mars, so it could work. But like,

859
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:02.480
<v Speaker 3>I guess you'd have to. So the way we have

860
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:04.800
<v Speaker 3>like balloons here is that they're buoyant, right, so like

861
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.639
<v Speaker 3>they're less dense, but there's like has to be enough

862
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.239
<v Speaker 3>density difference, including like the weight of the the balloon itself,

863
00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.599
<v Speaker 3>like the plastic. So I think if it was designed well,

864
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 3>I think it could work, but I think it could

865
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:20.880
<v Speaker 3>be better if it was hydrogen. I think the short

866
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:21.800
<v Speaker 3>answer is yes.

867
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Okay, what is one thing about Mars that people don't

868
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:30.119
<v Speaker 1>know that would really flabbergas them at a cocktail party?

869
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:35.079
<v Speaker 3>Just how like wet it used to be? People often

870
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:37.639
<v Speaker 3>ask me like, is it true that we found water

871
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:39.440
<v Speaker 3>on Mars? And I'm like, yeah, we found that like

872
00:43:39.480 --> 00:43:43.239
<v Speaker 3>a million times already, Like, but that's the thing that

873
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:45.880
<v Speaker 3>they're often blown away by, right, But I think it's

874
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:48.159
<v Speaker 3>just still, for some reason not common knowledge yet that

875
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Mars used to be this like awesome place that was

876
00:43:51.039 --> 00:43:52.960
<v Speaker 3>like not as cold and dry as it is now.

877
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:57.400
<v Speaker 1>It's like wet, just lush pools and spaws.

878
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:03.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah maybe maybe slimy maybe. Well I was just thinking,

879
00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:04.960
<v Speaker 3>like you said the last and I thought of like plants,

880
00:44:04.960 --> 00:44:06.920
<v Speaker 3>but like in actually, if there was any life there

881
00:44:06.920 --> 00:44:08.679
<v Speaker 3>would probably be like micro says like slimy.

882
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:13.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's okay too. What about some flim flam about

883
00:44:13.440 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 1>Mars that you'd like to debunk?

884
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Flim flam?

885
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's what's some real horseshit that you're like?

886
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:23.360
<v Speaker 3>No, dang, that's a good question.

887
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Is it that Matt Damon lives there?

888
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:27.960
<v Speaker 2>So I got to make water and grow food on

889
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>a planet where nothing grows. But if I can't figure

890
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:33.400
<v Speaker 2>out a way to make contact with NASA, and none

891
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:34.360
<v Speaker 2>of this matters anyway.

892
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Once again, if you didn't listen to part one number one,

893
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:39.559
<v Speaker 1>what is wrong with you? Why didn't you listen to

894
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:42.400
<v Speaker 1>instructions from your old dad? I'm not mad, I'm just

895
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:46.679
<v Speaker 1>disappointed too. Also, the Martian Recap was a book then

896
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:49.480
<v Speaker 1>a movie with Matt Damon stranded on Mars.

897
00:44:49.679 --> 00:44:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I think that that actually, I think that has

898
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.840
<v Speaker 3>generated a lot of misinformation is the dust storms, like

899
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.719
<v Speaker 3>they are global dust storms, but they are not destructive

900
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:01.719
<v Speaker 3>like that. Oh there because the atmosphere is so thin.

901
00:45:02.159 --> 00:45:04.639
<v Speaker 3>There are strong winds, but there's just not a lot

902
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:08.000
<v Speaker 3>of atmosphere, so it's like just like a breeze really,

903
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:11.280
<v Speaker 3>so like them. The whole premise of that, which is

904
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:14.960
<v Speaker 3>was like the major thing that was wrong with it

905
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:17.599
<v Speaker 3>was that they were like stranded because it was that

906
00:45:17.679 --> 00:45:21.519
<v Speaker 3>huge dust storm and destroyed their stuff. Right, But yeah,

907
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:22.960
<v Speaker 3>not going to happen.

908
00:45:22.880 --> 00:45:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Because there's not the winds wouldn't create that much force

909
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.840
<v Speaker 1>because it's not pushing a lot of molecules that are

910
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.639
<v Speaker 1>in the atmosphere.

911
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:32.320
<v Speaker 3>There, things like aren't impacting you as much.

912
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.239
<v Speaker 1>Right, because there's not a lot of air that's actually

913
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 1>pushing past.

914
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 3>I think it's like one hundredth the amount of stuff

915
00:45:38.039 --> 00:45:38.599
<v Speaker 3>in the air.

916
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:42.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Okay, I that yeah, that is some

917
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.119
<v Speaker 1>solid flint flam that you just debunked. I never would

918
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:46.920
<v Speaker 1>have thought of that because you think about the dust

919
00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:48.840
<v Speaker 1>storms and you're like, it's pretty much a hurricane full

920
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:49.119
<v Speaker 1>of dust.

921
00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.039
<v Speaker 3>That's what people think. Yeah, they think it's like this

922
00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:56.480
<v Speaker 3>crazy catastrophic thing. But yeah, no, it's just like dusty.

923
00:45:56.760 --> 00:45:59.519
<v Speaker 1>Have you been caught in dust worms in Arizona or Mohave?

924
00:45:59.760 --> 00:46:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Or have you been a burning man during a dust storm?

925
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Pretty much all of those things have happened.

926
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Really, have you been a burning man?

927
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:06.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

928
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:07.360
<v Speaker 1>How was it?

929
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:11.760
<v Speaker 3>I went in like two thousand and seven, and like,

930
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:14.800
<v Speaker 3>I had a good time, I thought, but I don't

931
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:16.480
<v Speaker 3>know that well, I obviously haven't been back.

932
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:19.840
<v Speaker 1>FYI. Burning Man is a festival set on this big

933
00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.840
<v Speaker 1>dry lake bed in Nevada, and it features a lot

934
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:27.800
<v Speaker 1>of instagram worthy chainmail bikinis and steampunk hats and furry

935
00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:32.480
<v Speaker 1>boots and glow sticks and electronic music and for some

936
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:37.039
<v Speaker 1>people a really sexy saturn in Jupiter's moon situation if

937
00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>you catch my drift kids. So, some people really into it,

938
00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:42.360
<v Speaker 1>others not so much.

939
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:45.719
<v Speaker 3>I didn't do like so many drugs, you know, So

940
00:46:46.440 --> 00:46:48.360
<v Speaker 3>I think that's how a lot of people have fun. Right,

941
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:54.039
<v Speaker 3>And then I thought it was like a cool experience,

942
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:57.599
<v Speaker 3>but that I could just do that experience and not

943
00:46:57.639 --> 00:46:58.920
<v Speaker 3>pay four hundred dollars for.

944
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:01.239
<v Speaker 1>It, right, it costs even more than that now.

945
00:47:01.440 --> 00:47:04.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think when I went, I even applied like

946
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:06.960
<v Speaker 3>for a low income ticket. I was like, I'm a student,

947
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:08.440
<v Speaker 3>but I really want to go to this, and then

948
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:09.920
<v Speaker 3>they gave it to me and I sent them like

949
00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.400
<v Speaker 3>drawing that's nice. Yeah, but I think you can't do

950
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:14.800
<v Speaker 3>that now. I think it's like really intense.

951
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.559
<v Speaker 1>I think it's more intense. But what were the dust storms?

952
00:47:17.639 --> 00:47:19.880
<v Speaker 3>Like? They were? Oh, it was like really bad. I

953
00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:22.840
<v Speaker 3>remember I was wearing goggles but and I had like

954
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:25.400
<v Speaker 3>a bandana over my face because that's what you do.

955
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:25.639
<v Speaker 2>There.

956
00:47:26.360 --> 00:47:28.039
<v Speaker 3>Could have had a dust mask on, but no one

957
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:32.760
<v Speaker 3>has dust masks on bandanas. Yeah, but yeah, like people's

958
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:34.559
<v Speaker 3>tents were blowing over and stuff, and I was riding

959
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:38.159
<v Speaker 3>a bike around Applia and like couldn't see anything, Like

960
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:41.840
<v Speaker 3>would lose your sense of direction really easily. And it

961
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:43.360
<v Speaker 3>was really abrasive on your skin.

962
00:47:43.760 --> 00:47:46.239
<v Speaker 1>So if you need to go down a YouTube rabbit

963
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.679
<v Speaker 1>hole and you do, I highly recommend typing in Burning

964
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:54.679
<v Speaker 1>Man plus dust storm also known as a hoboob, which

965
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:58.920
<v Speaker 1>is appropriate for a festival that celebrates the freedoms of toplessness.

966
00:47:59.360 --> 00:48:02.599
<v Speaker 1>So a user name just Joe captured one dust storm

967
00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:07.519
<v Speaker 1>just ripping into the glamping oasis and it just looked

968
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:12.400
<v Speaker 1>like it turned it into a science fiction nightmare. Also,

969
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.719
<v Speaker 1>as long as we're diving into the etymology for Areola

970
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:18.360
<v Speaker 1>in this episode, why not follow up with a nugget

971
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:22.920
<v Speaker 1>on boobs. So boob and boobs totally different word origins.

972
00:48:23.239 --> 00:48:29.480
<v Speaker 1>The meteorological event comes from the Arabic for blowing furiously,

973
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:33.960
<v Speaker 1>while the Mamaran features get their names from the German

974
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:38.079
<v Speaker 1>for teats and grandma bubby. So is this podcast getting

975
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:40.679
<v Speaker 1>too weird? Is it getting uncomfortable? I'm just, I just

976
00:48:40.760 --> 00:48:42.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm here to present facts. I just want to give

977
00:48:42.920 --> 00:48:45.079
<v Speaker 1>you facts. What were we talking about? Dust storms?

978
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:45.559
<v Speaker 2>So?

979
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:48.199
<v Speaker 1>Are the dust storms at burning Man worse than on Mars?

980
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Wow?

981
00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:56.039
<v Speaker 3>Sure? Yeah, way worse. Wow? More art cars though, Yeah?

982
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:58.400
<v Speaker 3>And more you can't see them. You can't see them.

983
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:00.840
<v Speaker 3>That's really good to know. Never would have guessed that.

984
00:49:01.239 --> 00:49:03.840
<v Speaker 3>What is one thing that about your job that's sick?

985
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:05.280
<v Speaker 1>What do you hate?

986
00:49:05.559 --> 00:49:09.440
<v Speaker 3>I guess like some days I don't want to look

987
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:10.719
<v Speaker 3>at pictures on the computer.

988
00:49:12.039 --> 00:49:14.559
<v Speaker 1>You said that in such a confessional tone, like Mom,

989
00:49:14.599 --> 00:49:15.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't like your meat love.

990
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:19.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I mean it's really cool sometimes, but other times

991
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:21.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm like I want to go outside. Yeah.

992
00:49:22.320 --> 00:49:25.039
<v Speaker 1>Can you ever take your desktop and drag it outside?

993
00:49:25.079 --> 00:49:28.079
<v Speaker 1>And or do you have like four huge monitors. No, actually,

994
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I could work outside. It's more that like, I'd rather

995
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:32.719
<v Speaker 1>be looking at a rock than a picture of a

996
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:36.239
<v Speaker 1>rock some days. I get it. Yeah, I understand. Yeah,

997
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:39.199
<v Speaker 1>it's like looking at a picture of your long lost love.

998
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:42.079
<v Speaker 1>You're like, I'd rather be just hanging out with exactly. Yeah,

999
00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:42.599
<v Speaker 1>I get it.

1000
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.920
<v Speaker 3>And also, like I do get asked a lot, is

1001
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 3>it true we found water on Mars? That might be

1002
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:52.079
<v Speaker 3>like maybe my least favorite question, although maybe it should

1003
00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:52.960
<v Speaker 3>be my favorite question.

1004
00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:54.880
<v Speaker 1>But what do you say to that? Are you just

1005
00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:56.519
<v Speaker 1>like do you the first time? Are you like we

1006
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:59.239
<v Speaker 1>did and then now you just like duh?

1007
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:02.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I try not to, but I'm like sometimes a

1008
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:07.800
<v Speaker 3>little bit too honest, and then I'd be like yeah,

1009
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.079
<v Speaker 3>and that's like the opposite attitude I should have for

1010
00:50:10.079 --> 00:50:12.320
<v Speaker 3>people who are getting excited about Mars, which I love.

1011
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:15.599
<v Speaker 3>So maybe that's why it should actually be my favorite question.

1012
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:17.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm working on that. You got to you gotta flip

1013
00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:20.679
<v Speaker 3>the script? Yeah, I need to do that. Yeah.

1014
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, what's your favorite thing about Mars or your job

1015
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:27.480
<v Speaker 1>surrounding Mars?

1016
00:50:27.639 --> 00:50:31.159
<v Speaker 3>I love that I can be paid to think about

1017
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:34.519
<v Speaker 3>another planet and what it used to be like and

1018
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:36.960
<v Speaker 3>what we could have been like and just these like

1019
00:50:37.039 --> 00:50:41.079
<v Speaker 3>crazy questions that are you know, really removed from the

1020
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:45.199
<v Speaker 3>day to day but that like that's my job, like

1021
00:50:45.239 --> 00:50:49.599
<v Speaker 3>because I could have a really practical job, but I

1022
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:53.559
<v Speaker 3>instead get to do this really out out of this

1023
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:56.400
<v Speaker 3>world thing literally. Yeah, and it's like a really cool

1024
00:50:56.960 --> 00:50:58.239
<v Speaker 3>to be part of.

1025
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:01.039
<v Speaker 1>These teams and so you're excited twenty twenty Rover, that's

1026
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:02.039
<v Speaker 1>the thing that you're stuffed about.

1027
00:51:02.320 --> 00:51:04.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm sticked about that. I've sticked up out a

1028
00:51:04.639 --> 00:51:05.199
<v Speaker 3>lot of things.

1029
00:51:05.559 --> 00:51:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Anything else that you're just like, I'm sorry that I

1030
00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:11.480
<v Speaker 1>turned into what sounded like a drunk dolphin. That was

1031
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:12.559
<v Speaker 1>a happy noise.

1032
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:14.199
<v Speaker 3>Like a thing. I really want to look at our

1033
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:16.800
<v Speaker 3>dry lakes in the Mohabby and like relate them to Mars.

1034
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:18.719
<v Speaker 3>And so that's like another thing that I'm like super

1035
00:51:18.760 --> 00:51:20.679
<v Speaker 3>psyched to be able to do hopefully.

1036
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.000
<v Speaker 1>And any advice to anyone who's like I want to

1037
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:23.880
<v Speaker 1>work on Mars.

1038
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's so many ways to get involved with Mars stuff.

1039
00:51:26.800 --> 00:51:29.679
<v Speaker 3>And like one great thing about NASA is that all

1040
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.039
<v Speaker 3>of our data that we get is publicly available. You

1041
00:51:32.079 --> 00:51:36.559
<v Speaker 3>can anybody with the internet can go on the Internet

1042
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:39.320
<v Speaker 3>and look at like dope pictures of Mars for free

1043
00:51:39.719 --> 00:51:43.639
<v Speaker 3>download data the rover guts, Like anybody can have the

1044
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:47.000
<v Speaker 3>same data that the the scientists who work at NASA have,

1045
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 3>So you can literally just become You can just do

1046
00:51:49.960 --> 00:51:52.519
<v Speaker 3>that on your own, and you can go to like

1047
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:55.360
<v Speaker 3>seminars and stuff and meet people and read books. Like

1048
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:57.599
<v Speaker 3>there's tons of podcasts and stuff like that. There's like

1049
00:51:57.639 --> 00:51:59.559
<v Speaker 3>a million ways to get involved with NASA stuff, and

1050
00:51:59.559 --> 00:52:04.079
<v Speaker 3>there's lots of NASA outreach that is like pretty accessible,

1051
00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:06.639
<v Speaker 3>I think to most people. Thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 3>being on. Thank you, I am so excited. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 3>caring about Mars. Dude, I do care about Mars. I

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<v Speaker 3>love Mars even more now. Great it worked, So there

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<v Speaker 3>you have it.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so much more about Mars than I was

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<v Speaker 1>before meeting the amazing doctor Jennifer Booze Now to become

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<v Speaker 1>her friend, either online or in Flagstaff again. Her instagram

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<v Speaker 1>Bugaboos buga buz, where she posts photos of insects and rocks,

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<v Speaker 1>and her website, What a Destination on this world wide Web.

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<v Speaker 1>It features self portraits of her as a turtle with

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<v Speaker 1>octopus hair. It's gorgeously perfect. It's j nnfr dot BZ,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's her name novals Now. You can find Ologies

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<v Speaker 1>at Ologies on Instagram or Twitter. I'm on both at

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<v Speaker 1>Ali Ward with one L and to support the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>to make future episodes possible, you can head to if

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<v Speaker 1>and swimsuits and pins and totes. It's ologiesmerch dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>We have you covered and once again summer sale code

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<v Speaker 1>Campologies ten percent off everything in the shop in July

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<v Speaker 1>helping me round that. And thank you to Aaron Talbert

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<v Speaker 1>and Hannahlippo for adminting the Ologies podcast Facebook group, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really full of the Internet's kindest and most lovable nerds,

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<v Speaker 1>no turds among them. It's amazing. Thank you as always

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<v Speaker 1>to Stephen Ray Morris who painstakingly pieces these episodes together

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<v Speaker 1>from a thirty page transcript and makes each episode so

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<v Speaker 1>so much better. The music is by Nick Thorburn of

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<v Speaker 1>the band Islands, and special thanks to NASA engineer working

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<v Speaker 1>on the Europa Clipper mission, Christine Corbett at Corbett Co,

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<v Speaker 1>rb e Tt on Twitter and her husband Casey Hanmer

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<v Speaker 1>ceg Handmer hndmr on Twitter, also of NASA's JPL for

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<v Speaker 1>being such wonderful pals and supporters of ologies and conducting

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<v Speaker 1>that supplemental interview with sci fi writer Kim Stanley Robinson.

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<v Speaker 1>What a surprise that was. Now, if you listen pass

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<v Speaker 1>It credits, you may know that I tell a secret

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of every episode. In this one, this

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<v Speaker 1>might be the most embarrassing episode. That's not true. I

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<v Speaker 1>have more embarrassing secrets. I just haven't told you them.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is pretty up there. So a few people

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<v Speaker 1>asked me this week about Mars being in retrograde until

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<v Speaker 1>August twenty seventh, and confession, I just read a whole

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<v Speaker 1>article about it, even though I don't want to believe

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<v Speaker 1>in it, and I don't, but still I'm like, should

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<v Speaker 1>I not sign any contracts until after August? But I

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<v Speaker 1>also just didn't understand what retrograde even was. And it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out that it just means that it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>the planet is traveling backwards in the sky, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of an optical illusion. So I emailed Jennifer and

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<v Speaker 1>I asked, is there any pos stability in any realm

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<v Speaker 1>scientifically that Mars being in retrograde could fuck with anything

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<v Speaker 1>for real, like electronics or angering ghosts, And she said,

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<v Speaker 1>I usually say that an apparent retrograde orbit has no

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<v Speaker 1>bearing on anything physical because it's literally just a change

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<v Speaker 1>in perspective. But the orbits are still the same. But

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<v Speaker 1>as for ghosts, though, maybe they don't understand orbits and

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<v Speaker 1>they live their afterlife strictly by apparent motions in the sky.

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<v Speaker 1>So if Mars decides it wants to go backwards, they

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<v Speaker 1>might also go backwards. Question mark, question mark, question mark.

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<v Speaker 1>So I believe she was humoring me and entertaining my

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<v Speaker 1>questions about Mars retrograde. I appreciate it. Okay, keep asking

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<v Speaker 1>smart people stupid questions because I seriously I think that

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<v Speaker 1>they love it. I think it's good for all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for listening. I heart you all very much.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye Bye, pacadermic college, hobbiology, crypto zoology, lithology, ureology, meteorology, atology, apology, seriology, selenology.

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<v Speaker 1>Pop pup up, pint, pop up up up, pint, pop

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<v Speaker 1>up up, pintup up up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah,
