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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasick goes, I am Dan for Valley,

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coming at you with my one, my only, my certified

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fantabulous go is mister Grant Hughes the time for another

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round of hashtag w j AQ. We're just asking questions.

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We cannot be held responsible for what those questions lead to.

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The question of the week is not to be over dramatic,

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but does the fate of NBA parody rest with one team? Grant?

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And that one team is your Los Angeles Clippers. You're

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running the Clippers, They're you're a Clippers fan. I mean

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the Warriors are kind of you know, they don't defend anymore,

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according to Jimmy Butler. So is that question dramatic? Is

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what we need to set out and why is it

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a question at all? But we probably need to start

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with this is why we're asking the questions. The Clippers

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are not good at the moment. They are very old.

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We knew this coming in, but everyone getting and playing

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very old at the same time does not seem except

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for James Harden apparently, who is been by and large

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spectacular this season. Not something everyone saw coming or at

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least didn't expect. Oklahoma City controls the next two Clippers

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first round picks, so they're going to get this season's

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and they're also this isn't talked about enough either, is

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they're also going to get twenty twenty seven. If it's bad,

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they have the right to swap. It's part of that.

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They have all these we won't complicate it for everybody,

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but Denver's pick could be outgoing since they own the

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right to Denver's pick in twenty twenty seven at top

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five protection. But the Clippers essentially can have the twenty

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six Clippers pick that's just outright no protections on it,

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and then they have the ability to swap in twenty

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twenty seven. So if the Clippers are bad, which as

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of right now they are bad, and we're talking about

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if this season ended today, they're going to have a

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thirty percent chance of landing inside the top four of

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the lottery ors or so there is a not insignificant

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chance that the Clippers are going to end up sending

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Oklahoma City a top five pick in one of the

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next two drafts. Grant and what I want to start

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before getting into the Clippers and whether they can turn

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this around. What are the implications of that happening. And

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I mean that in a sense of you can look

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at it through and we should where does one of

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these picks land? And looking at the twenty twenty six

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class specifically, could you imagine just giving Okac cam Boozer

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or aj Dibinsaz is absolutely terrifying. But it's also the

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idea of just giving Okac a top ten pick is

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kind of insane.

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Speaker 2: It is, and so it is a hyperbolic sort of

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question to ask. But I think the reason it's not

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just completely unhinged is that it's not like, well, if

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sure boy would be nice if T Mex got an

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extra or it seems unfair that T Max is getting

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just another A good team is getting another crack at

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like a franchise cornerstone type guy, which is what you know,

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we're talking in extremes, but like that's on the table

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if you get a top what you know, if you're

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high in the lottery, the thing is the thunder. This

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isn't an issue if the thunder aren't like this level

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of good which is coming off the title set the

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point differential record, smoking that point differential record this year

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so far having lost one time. As we're recording this

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so like, it's not just a very good team getting

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another bite at the apple. It's a team that like

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as it is. If not if we didn't have any

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of this draft pick stuff as a potential outcome, we'd

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still be talking about have the Thunder ruined parody or

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something like that, because they are so young, because they

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have their three core guys locked down, because they have

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movable money. Else Like, it's just that's the that's the

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element of this is the Thunder are so good that

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almost any little bit of help they get feels like

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it might tip things into sort of uncomfortable territory for

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a league that has achieved the goal of parody and

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at least in terms of like who's winning titles, right,

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do get some usual suspects at the top of the standings,

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but that's just always going to happen. But but the league,

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you know, has whether you're talking about the waiting of

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the lottery odds or the play in tournament or to

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discourage tanking and kind of keep more teams grouped in

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the middle, like goal achieved with respect to parody and

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a lot of respects, and this would potentially kind of

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cut against that. So I think for me, it's just

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the fact that it is this Thunder team specifically makes

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this more relevant, more interesting issue than if it were

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just some other team that I don't know what what

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that might have a crack at.

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Speaker 1: These player because they're they're already kind of seeing some

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of the problems where Aaron Gordon being injured right now,

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Christian Brown is younger. But you're paying these guys and

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rest of the league where you say, well, okay, s

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these window is going to be open for eternity is

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deliberately over the top. But then you start to sit here,

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we all we me and you have preached this a ton.

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the Brooklyn Nets during the KD Kyrie error were going

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to be with James, Harm're going to be inevitable at

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some point, even if it was shorter. That just implodes

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the Celtics. Their windows been open ended. But they're going

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through a gap year. No one would have thought that

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the Pacers would have to go through a gap year

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immediately after making consecutive conference finals and NBA Finals appearance.

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Something always happens, injuries, teams get expensive. The Thunder seem

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uniquely inoculated against all of this, with these picks coming

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down the pipeline for a multitude of factors. One of

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them is playing out in real time. Their second best

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player as we record this has yet to play this season,

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and all those numbers you outlined about one of the

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best starts in NBA history is still taking place. The

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other thing here is they could be in the Second

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Apron as soon as next season. They don't have to

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be if they don't want to. They have the Isaiah

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Harnstein team option, and he's integral to the team. But

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one maybe you keep him cheaper, you could get rid

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of other guys. You're still going to be the odds

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on favorite to win a title if you're relatively healthy,

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even if you lose him. The other thing, though, is

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because they have these inbound picks going into the second

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Apron if they're willing to pay. Isn't that, Oh, your

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draft pick is frozen. Oh it gets moved to the

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end of the first round. Guess where the Thunder are

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going to be drafting for the foreseeable future. Anyway, Grant

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the end of the first round. And then finally, so

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you get to bring in these cost controlled prospects, which

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should in theory, Let's say j dubb Chet and Shay

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Gillis Alexander, this team isn't willing to pay all of

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them over the next three to five years that you

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lose someone Well, this is the higher end of it,

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but if you have the chance to develop a Boozer

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or Davinza, that becomes kind of terrifying. I think you

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can even We've yet to see Nicola topic play during

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the regular season, but that's someone else they kind of

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have waiting in the wings. And you can also argue

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they don't need a look at where they found a

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lot of these guys. Jalen Williams was who's in All

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NBA player already, they got him a number twelve, Kayson

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look at kind of the moves they make on the

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margins to where it's all like Chris Youngblood went undrafted

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and got minutes on this team. He's played more minutes

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than Carter Bryant this year. Brooks Barnhearzer was taking forty

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fourth overall this past June's And if you watched him

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during Summer League. He has the outlines of, oh, this

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is overall a guy, AJ Mitchell. Where was he drafted

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thirty eighth overall and so first overall, fourth overall, tenth overall,

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forty seventh overall. The thunder have proven that they can

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find dudes. And if you give them enough higher end shots,

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and the Clippers are maybe going to give them two

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that are in the lottery, We're not even talking top

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five picks necessarily. That is harrowing. And I think you

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could even you kind of alluded to this already. You

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could even make the case that even if these picks

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don't turn into stars because of AJ Mitchell, because of

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Big Jaalen Williams just finds like that because of if

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Barnheiser turns into something, or even with Kayson Wallace, does

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he become cheaper than Alex Caruso on his next deal

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or something. They're just built to navigate this anyway. And

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the final thing before throwing it back to you, Graham,

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what happens if OKC just sits here and says we're

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gonna roll with check, J, Dub and Shay until the

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wheels fall off and we're gonna move the parts around them.

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Do you realize how much more dangerous those draft picks

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that they're getting from the Clippers become then when you

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don't need any of them to be the guy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's hard to I think I think maybe

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just to sort of like tamp down the panic level.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, do you view this as a legitimate existential crisis

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for parody?

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Speaker 2: I don't think so. And even even if even if

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it is, that's okay. I like dynasties like so, I

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kind of I'm kind of gonna win either way as a.

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Speaker 1: Do you why why? Why would you say that you likednasty?

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Speaker 2: You know, it's kind of kind of my favorite thing. Well,

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so here's what I think. I think. One, it's very

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very hard to be as good as the thunder are

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right now, and so, just like law of averages, they

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can't be this good for that long just because it's impossible,

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Like you just can't stay at a seventy win pace forever.

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What I think these extra picks might do is keep

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the floor exceptionally high for way longer than it should be,

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because you can use these to offload money you maybe

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eventually don't want, Like what if one of your expensive

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guys gets hurt and this is just dead money. Now, well,

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having extra first to move that helps. What if Alex

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Caruso gets old, Hardenstein doesn't fit anymore. Now those are

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bad examples because their contracts are manageable and aren't forever.

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the rest of the core with new pieces using those.

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the nets in this past draft for examples, like, well,

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they're not going to use all these, they'll surely trade

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a couple for like more long shot down the road assets.

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they want to, right, So it's like, yeah, you know,

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maybe maybe they're maybe they're a second Apron team for

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too long, and they they have to sacrifice if they

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surrender a draft pick or they get it frozen or whatever.

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a higher ceiling one in three years out or four

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just kick the can down the road a little bit

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and assure that, you know, maybe we can't stay at

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a seventy five win pace for like five years in

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a row, but we might be able to stay at

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like fifty five indefinitely if we just keep replenishing things

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and keep kind of like stretching all these extra picks

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and assets out a little farther, which, like normally for

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a small market team like this, you might say, like, well,

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that ought to be the goal, because that's just you

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top six playoff team for as long as you can.

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That feels like aiming low for as good as the

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Thunder are now. But I do think it just extends

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whatever you call this run. It doesn't have to be

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like their massive title favorites every year, but it might

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be like they're top four team forever just because you can,

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you know, for the next ten years, because you can

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just use these things to kind of extend your window

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of not contention, but like relevance. Maybe I don't know

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that that is like that's easy, yeah, spursy and like

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where you make the playoffs all you know, every year

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for fifteen or something like that. That that feels like,

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which again, that was fun too. I didn't mind that

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when the Spurs were just a clockwork, you know, relevant

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team that it works out well Now the other twenty

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nine teams might not feel the same way. But if

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you don't have skin in the game, I think this

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Speaker 1: This may be one of my most incendiary takes, but

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that spurs run feels like the floor the way this

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team is set up. Because even with because even with

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almost so the JDub injury or the injuries to start

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last year too, how the development there, because one of

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the questions should be moving forward, Well, it gets tough

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to develop. We're seeing this in some other cases with

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lower end youngsters. But how do you balance prosper development

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blow out a bunch of teams, you know how to

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use garbage time or the Thunder have just been able

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to Aj Mitchell before he got injured last year as

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a rookie was part of the rotation. Yep, he was

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part of the Thunder rotation. And so if they're going

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to continue to be able to find the developmental opportunities

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to where they're able to make calls they understand, Oh,

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this is what we have in Aj Mitchell, this is

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what we have in j Will. Now complications like Nicolae topitch,

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maybe missing what both of his first two seasons in

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the league. Those will always come up. And I'm not

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saying that every draft pick they make is going to

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be a home run. It's also easy for me to

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sit here and say a two decade run of just

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being hyper relevance to the floor when they've yet to

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suffer that first bit of collateral damage of how good

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they are, and that will come. We don't Josh Giddy,

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I guess was the first part. But they had decided

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that wasn't about money as much as we think we're

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better built if we move him for Alex Caruster will

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win the t They were right. I mean, Josh Getty's

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played very well to start the season in Chicago this year,

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but they were right to make that call. If there

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comes a point to where Hartenstein might be a potential

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not crossroads, but that's a pivot point. If they decide

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he's too expensive to keep, perhaps the core is able

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to react well to that, just because he wasn't there

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from day day zero. But if Cason Wallace gets too expensive,

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if aj Mitchell when that highway robbery of a contract ends,

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if someone else, if it comes a time where they

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decided or if they have to move on from Kenrich

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Williams Grant, he's going to get a statue, I woul

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assume somewhere in Oklahoma City. So that would be the

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variable that we aside from banking on injuries. And I

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think what the next topic would be, well, are we

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forgetting about other teams that are just going to be

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in the mix to challenge the peak version of thunder?

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But I think the one variable we haven't talked that

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yet was well, what happens when they make the first

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controversial collateral damage call? They have yet to need to

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do that.

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Speaker 2: Maybe the segue is one of the teams that was

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sort of similarly positioned and had to make decisions like

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the ones you're talking about is the Houston Rockets because

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like they did sign Jalen like so there were the

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talk was like, how are they gonna pay all these guys?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: They Thompson, Shangoon, Green, Easton. I'm now Jabari Smith reached

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there's several Jalen Green's gone. Uh Tar Easton doesn't have

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a new deal yet. Jabari Smith signed up what I

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think everybody, most people agree is kind of a bargain deal.

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They moved one of the picks to get Kevin Durrant, Like,

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so they had to kind of make some of these

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shanguon they got. Now like this is a little different

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because the Rockets kept getting guys on blow market deals

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and the Thunder of kind of paid market rates for

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their three big names. Well can I push back there

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for a second, Well, are you gonna mention the Jadub thing?

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Speaker 1: Well they did. They with Chat they didn't have to

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get the all NBA language in there, and with with

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j Dubb, they knew what was going. I know he

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suffered complications, but that very much feels like they allowed

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the agent to win the press release.

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Speaker 2: Which great, it makes Williams look better, like, well we

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thought he was a super Max guy. But so Houston

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is one of those teams I think you would cite

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that has a young core that might be there to

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challenge the Thunder for quite a while. But they're also

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an example of like you can navigate this. This also

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cuts the other way because it shows the Thunder like, yeah,

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you can just navigate some of these like who do

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you pay and how much situations as they arise and

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come out like I don't know better in the end

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for it because This is again the Rockets are playing

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without Van Vliet and that's forced some of the younger

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guys to stretch a little bit, and so like they're

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one of the first ones that comes to mind as

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far as who's going to be challenging the Thunder going forward,

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challenging the Thunder's efforts to destroy parody going forward?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: Who is that the first team that comes to mind

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for you? Or are there more?

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Speaker 1: I think it's Houston just because of how high level

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the because I think you could sit here and say

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my answer would be Shangoun. But there be a debate

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if you said, fast forward three years, who's the best

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player on the Rockets? You have Aman Thompson, Reed Shepherd

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maybe gets thrown into that mix. It's not gonna be

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Kevin Durant, He's not their best player now, and then Shangun.

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With other teams, you don't necessarily have that debate, and

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the Spurs would just be the team that I would

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name next because Wemby exists. But we still don't we

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need more intel on Steph Castle. What does it look

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like when he actually gets to play with darn Fox

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and then Dylan Harper as well. But that's another team

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to where it's they still have assets if they want

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to go out and make another move. They have what

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is a top five NBA player right now, a guy

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who if he plays in sixty five games will probably

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enough will probably set the record for the most defensive

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players of the Year awards won in just having Wemby

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and so the ability to move around that. But they're

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so I know they started off the season like Gangbusters,

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but don't they feel is there another team? My question,

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is there another team you view on Houston's level moving

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forward that you believe could consistently challenge? Okay, see, I.

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Speaker 2: Mean it depends on how far forward your because you mentioned, well,

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the Spurs are there because of Wembin Yama, then the

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Nuggets have to be there because of Jokic. That that's

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just like on a five year time horizon, like maybe

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the Nuggets are there, but probably not right, it's more

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like three. I think you could say Jokic three years

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from now. Like if Yoki is the best player in

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the world still, it's like, well, all right, yeah, of

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course he is. But five gets gets a little Harry

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and we start talking about five like Shay is the

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only guy that's gonna be like maybe like late prime

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at that point. Everybody the other I mean, you know

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everybody else might still is going to still be in

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their twenties. Right, Actually Jadob is like sneaky older than

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you think, but like not late prime in five years. Yeah,

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I you have to. You can't find another team with

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like a similar collection of young players. Maybe Detroit that's

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the one I was gonna say, because it's like Cunningham's

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young enough during Asar Thompson takes a leap ron Holland

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learns to play offense like that. That's that's close. Like

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Cleveland is going to age out, probably because Mitchell h

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Garland health.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Garland can't stay healthy is the big thing. That's

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that's a good But.

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Speaker 2: You have the MOBILEI piece where it's like, okay, he's

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the type of guy you could see, not not on

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the Wemby level, but like, well they have mobiley so

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they're relevant and dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. See, when you start to stretch it beyond the

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two or three year windows where it gets done. Because

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I was even gonna say Toronto with the way Scotty

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Barnes is playing this year, but yeah, they're not the

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youngest team.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the thing is though, how realistic is it

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to think about anything in terms beyond a two or

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three year window? Right because like you you just said,

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like things always change two or three years ago, would

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you how hard would we have laughed if Detroit had

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entered this conversation right, Like, it's just like, I don't

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I know, we're trying to look like operate on the

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thunders timeline, which like that might be the maybe the Spurs,

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but Wemby's health is who knows? The Thunder? Like the

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only team you can think about five years from now,

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everybody else else is just gonna look so different. There'll

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be some team that if we mentioned them right now,

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it would be laughable, like Washington, Like I don't know

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in five years where who can say maybe alex aar

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is a two time MVP by then or something. Just

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anything's possible.

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Speaker 1: It's but I think what's also tough too, is that

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even if we were to stick within the more trunk

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caated window, let's use this season. This season as an example,

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before these picks with the Clippers have conveyed what are

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the team's finals conference on whatever that you would give

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a realistic chance of beating OKAC four times and seven

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tries Right now, I think there's Denver, I'll give you mine,

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and then I feel like Houston might belong there. They

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feel is I think Rejeppard needs to like really kind

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of he's been great, but probably needs to be even

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better after that. I'm not taking anybody in the East

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to give it. Okay, see a series right now, I

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don't see the team maybe, yeah, Cleveland is the outlook

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is muddy just because Darius Garland has not played enough

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and they've looked bombed offensively when he's on the court.

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But that's what's also so even if we're using the

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two or three year window, like what are the teams

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that you think are the Spurs need to make another move,

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I would say before they're there or Dylan Harper, Steph

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Castle go.

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Speaker 2: Kaboom yeah, which and at that then you're just talking.

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We're they're the puncher's chance category, right, Well, they have

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Wemby and like he might just be unsolvable and you know,

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with a little bit of luck. But yeah, I know,

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I think you're right. I think the list is really short.

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I do think, like, well, what do you think about

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the idea that like how relevant are these picks in

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the two to three year window we're talking about, like,

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do you think they can actually like what's that?

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Speaker 1: That's what's disturbing to me, is that I see because they.

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Speaker 2: Don't need them in this short time horizon.

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Speaker 1: And so if they're gonna so work. That's what allows

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us to look ahead, is that if you believe that

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they will be able to develop players while still being good,

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if you give them let's say both of these picks

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land in the top ten, and we need to get

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to the clippers of it all now shortly. You're gonna

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tell but what percentage chance let's say both of those

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picks land in the top ten, what percentage chance would

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you give one of them of turning it at at

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least one of them turning into a Oh, that guy's

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eventually going to be an All Star. I might go

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over fifty percent.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing that we haven't really talked about it.

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It's like there's a Nushman Jang pick in there. So

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the thunder don't get them all, you know, they don't

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get them all.

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Speaker 1: Right, but but hashtag poku, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Poku another one. So they don't always do it quite

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you know, perfectly. But yeah, I mean, if you give

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them two shots at it. They're getting one. They're getting

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one guy that's at least like a plus starter on

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a normal team.

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Speaker 1: Right, Because I was gonna say, who's the top ten

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pick that they've missed on, you could say Josh Giddy,

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But they got Alex Caruzzo for him, and Josh might

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make an All Star team.

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Speaker 2: Right this year, it's hard. It's hard to find that guy.

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Maybe impossible.

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Speaker 1: My only final question on this, and this is a

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broader stroke inquiry, could you see this reaching the level

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of players are looking to join up to localize in

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a location or to actively beat the thunder or do

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you think because of the way that team salary structures

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have become And also just I think players one when

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you I think players more than ever realize when you're

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playing with a cluster of stars how much it can

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do to your role. And I don't think everybody wants

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to be marginalized that way. But just as an example,

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looking at what Golden State is right now, if these

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players were in their prime, though, would this have been

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our team's actively gonna or like what happened in Phoenix,

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what happened in Brooklyn is at one point it felt

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like Big Three's were being formed because that felt like

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the model. Now I'm just wondering, even if it's two superstars,

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might we see these elite mega NBA players cluster to say, no,

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we need to take down the thunder. This is year

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seven of them just annihilating the rest of the league.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting. You mean you could certainly imagine, well, I

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don't know, just to pick two guys that ran it's like, well,

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Anthony Edwards or something like we were not quite good

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enough in Minnesota and then I don't know, superstar. I can't.

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I don't want to like start any like hypothetical, but

477
00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:13,279
like you know, Kid Cunningham's like, ah, we're pretty good,

478
00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:14,880
but we just we can't quite I.

479
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 1: Need to go play with Wemby, Right.

480
00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I think that's a possibility. I think that's

481
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,960
gonna happen anyway, because that's just been the way things

482
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,039
have happened. Regardless of what the CBA has looked like

483
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,119
over the last twenty years.

484
00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: Has it ever happened, it's a team ever actively been

485
00:23:31,759 --> 00:23:35,720
built to take down one because you can't. It's not

486
00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:38,000
it's the Rockets with the Warriors would be the answer,

487
00:23:38,039 --> 00:23:40,519
but it's irrational to say, well, they were only built

488
00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:42,359
to beat the Warriors. They were built to contend, Yes,

489
00:23:42,599 --> 00:23:45,039
but they were built in the image of contending during

490
00:23:45,079 --> 00:23:48,119
the Warriors era. And as we've seen teams try to

491
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,400
carve out these deeper rotations, in part because of the thunder,

492
00:23:51,559 --> 00:23:53,559
in part because of the pacers. I think the rockets

493
00:23:53,599 --> 00:23:55,960
have actually played a big role in that too. I

494
00:23:56,079 --> 00:23:58,440
just think that we might see more outliers, Like there

495
00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:01,759
might be a franchise that has the maybe one superstar

496
00:24:01,839 --> 00:24:03,920
that has the pull to really reel and another and

497
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,839
they might whether it's for one or two years, they

498
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,240
might just do things that seem reckless and unthinkable because

499
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,319
of the thunder, which I don't know that Again, I

500
00:24:13,319 --> 00:24:15,960
think Houston and Golden State is the closest we have

501
00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:17,200
to an analog on that.

502
00:24:17,599 --> 00:24:21,559
Speaker 2: Right, and like, think about what the alternative to that is, Like, Man,

503
00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:23,279
the thunder are really good. We better just kind of

504
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,720
lay back for a while and just wait it out. Right,

505
00:24:25,759 --> 00:24:29,680
Like nobody's gonna do that. Nobody, nobody's gonna like you

506
00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:31,880
just you can't operate as a franchise that way. No,

507
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:33,680
And see, like I think.

508
00:24:33,519 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: You're saying when you're saying teams such as the Wizards

509
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,759
really need like this is they have cap space this summer,

510
00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:40,319
you need to go for it. That is something you

511
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:46,039
also have to consider to say, well why, I think.

512
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: I think the why is because you really still don't

513
00:24:48,519 --> 00:24:51,279
know what's gonna happen, Like what if Jada can never

514
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:53,359
shoot again because of the risk, and what if Check

515
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,799
gets I mean Chet's been hurt two of his three years, right, like, yeah,

516
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,799
what you know? So the thunder approving that like they

517
00:24:59,799 --> 00:25:02,640
can they're fine without one of their three guys if

518
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:06,000
they lose two. So like the Wizards is the extreme

519
00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:07,720
case right where it's like, you guys are so far

520
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:10,359
away quote unquote going for it is crazy.

521
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,079
Speaker 1: I'm also I'm not trying to advocate that regular seasons

522
00:25:14,079 --> 00:25:16,000
all of a sudden can't matter because of the thunder.

523
00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:19,680
I hate chess, but I like the chess element of it.

524
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,640
You have to try and think all these steps ahead

525
00:25:23,079 --> 00:25:24,759
to figure out like what made you don't know? I

526
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:26,680
don't want to purposely pull back, but you also do

527
00:25:26,759 --> 00:25:29,359
have to, I would think evaluate your moves and direction

528
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,759
against well, this is this is the benchmark, right, like

529
00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:35,400
this is the standard bearer for title contention right now.

530
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,319
Speaker 2: Don't you think that we got to move on? But

531
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,240
don't you think that thinking about the Thunder that way

532
00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:44,759
is more relevant to like, it's deadline time. We need

533
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,440
a guy. This needs to be someone that can be

534
00:25:47,519 --> 00:25:49,599
on the floor against the Thunder and how they play,

535
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,920
as opposed to like these are the types of players

536
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,880
we're gonna draft, and like this is the type of

537
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,759
team we're gonna build. As a as a rebuilder, I

538
00:25:56,759 --> 00:25:59,039
think it's more of a like, oh, we look like

539
00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:02,039
we are gonna run into these guys. We need our

540
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,759
Alex Caruso, or we need someone that can slow you

541
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:06,480
know what I mean. I think that's when you see

542
00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:09,440
the them thought about that way.

543
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: I think in the early stages of a rebuild, sure,

544
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:15,440
because to use what's a team that, I mean the

545
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,799
Pelicans as an example. Maybe they don't know they're rebuilding yet,

546
00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:22,119
but Derek Queen and Jeremiah Fears both look really good.

547
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,640
You don't take those players at the start of a

548
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,200
rebuild because you think that the Thunder are going to

549
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:29,200
be the standard Bear in five to seven years when

550
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,720
you're fully cooked and ready to go. At the same time,

551
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:35,039
I think if we're if we fast forward two or

552
00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:37,880
three years, and this is just the Thunder are still

553
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,440
really good and it doesn't look like they've now drafted

554
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,839
another big name or two, or just look like they're

555
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,440
set up to continue doing what they're doing now. I

556
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,759
think it changes, man. I think it not the rebuilding teams,

557
00:26:49,799 --> 00:26:52,359
but we might see more wholesale like off season stuff,

558
00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,000
not just trade deadline decisions off season stuff. Those directions

559
00:26:56,039 --> 00:26:58,440
are made then based off a lot of what the

560
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:59,160
Thunder are doing.

561
00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:02,599
Speaker 2: I would normally disagree, but this is an extreme case,

562
00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:05,680
so it's I don't. I think it's much more plausible

563
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,240
than it has been in a long time.

564
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: Here's the question, then, though, Can the Clippers do their

565
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:14,039
part turn things around and not make it easier for

566
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,880
the Thunder to last? And I think it might be

567
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,359
best framed through this prison. We could look at this

568
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,440
season and talk about what a disaster it is, and

569
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,200
we absolutely should. There's why would they be any better

570
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,039
next year? They're not. They're not getting any younger, and

571
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,880
it seems like they're kind of conserving flexibility to be

572
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,359
be spend heavy in the summer of twenty twenty seven.

573
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,799
This might be the the middle I mean, the draft class. Ever,

574
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:43,160
it's vaunted, so that matters. But this could be when

575
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,359
you look at where the pick lands, this could be

576
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,599
the middle ground outcome to where all this this is

577
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,319
like a next year's going to be four right right?

578
00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:55,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, the arrow on the Clippers is angled down

579
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:57,720
that because they're coming in there were old, they all

580
00:27:57,759 --> 00:28:00,880
got older. They're slow. Like the the route out of

581
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,480
this is what like Zubots is the guy you would

582
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,920
trade that you might get, Like, do you trade Zubots

583
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,039
to the thunder now and just get your pick back?

584
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:13,480
Like is that they do that? Zubots is better than

585
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,079
Hart and Sign. I don't know, Like, but yeah, you're right,

586
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,079
like the I don't see a way out for the

587
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:23,359
Clippers other than the old guys just play better because

588
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,960
you can't, like what are you trading to improve? You're

589
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,240
already just all in on now based on the age

590
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:30,839
of the roster and the types of players that they

591
00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:33,799
brought in. So you're not trading your way out of this.

592
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,160
It just the guys. And Kawai came back just a

593
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:40,519
day before we recorded this and looked like pretty close

594
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:45,039
to Kawhi, So you know you've you've got right, Yeah,

595
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:47,680
looks man imagine how good they you know, Okay, well,

596
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:49,880
we'll see if he plays three out of every five

597
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,400
games going forward that that would be a pretty good benchmark.

598
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:57,440
Hard but they're terrible when he's been great. So what

599
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,039
do you do there?

600
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,279
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask, let's say they can trade two

601
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:02,920
first round picks. I think one of them might need

602
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,000
to be conditional, but twenty thirty and twenty thirty two.

603
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,720
You can include a swap in there as well. If

604
00:29:07,759 --> 00:29:12,400
you were able to get let's say, LaMelo Ball or

605
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,160
Trey Young or name. I don't even know what the

606
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:18,039
I mean. The Clippers feel like they need so many things.

607
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:20,640
I don't know what other If they get Giannis, it's

608
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,119
a no. I'm trying to think of a player that

609
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,720
would be more debatable. I one don't think they have

610
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,440
enough to get any of those players anyone I just named.

611
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,440
But even if you said, if you could get Zion

612
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:32,519
from the Pelicans, I don't even know what you need

613
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:34,400
to give up a first round pick for that. At

614
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,960
this point, do you just do it because or no?

615
00:29:38,039 --> 00:29:40,440
You have to think for them specifically. You look, no,

616
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:43,759
we've these picks, those outlays are there. We're not throwing

617
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:46,480
good money after bed because whatever you do unless you

618
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:49,799
believe that Trey Young or LaMelo Ball or Zion for

619
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:51,920
some reasons the bridge to the future, and you're going

620
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,599
to rebuild through free agency, which, by the way, basically

621
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,640
since the Clippers did it and even that required a trade,

622
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:01,920
weren't really no team is being built through free Who

623
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:03,720
was the last was it Brooklyn when they got Kyrie

624
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:04,920
and Kevin Durant the same summer?

625
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: Was the last profile? For sure?

626
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,359
Speaker 1: Just the Knicks got Jalen Brunson is the lone name

627
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:11,920
they got in free age. So the rest is trade.

628
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,160
So that's the risk there is that for the rest

629
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,519
of the league. This feels yeah, okay, the Clippers like

630
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,599
let's go, Like you need to make this move, of course,

631
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:21,880
But if I'm the Clippers, I'm like, no.

632
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: No, you. If they you're I agree. If if they

633
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,279
make a move, it has to be because wow, this

634
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,880
team is old and we need something to bridge us

635
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:35,440
to the next, to the post Hard and post Kawhi

636
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,519
stage of our existence. It can't be like making a

637
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:42,000
trade so you're better. So the pick you convey to

638
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:45,279
another team is worse, is like pure insanity. That pick's

639
00:30:45,319 --> 00:30:47,599
gone like it doesn't. The KI doesn't matter.

640
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: Make the move.

641
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,599
Speaker 2: That's okay, Great, So that's how you're justifying it. Yeah, No,

642
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,480
I think that's not just the Clippers. You can't just say, well,

643
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,440
the Clippers aren't like a team that should be making trades. Sure,

644
00:31:01,559 --> 00:31:04,480
but it has to be for someone. It can't. The

645
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:07,359
outgoing picks cannot have any factor. It cannot be a

646
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:10,720
factor whatsoever in the trades that they make. They're They're gone,

647
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,640
don't they don't exist anymore.

648
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,079
Speaker 1: Then this is the final question for them, just based

649
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:18,039
off how the roster's currently constructed, baking in the fact

650
00:31:18,079 --> 00:31:21,079
that we don't foresee them even if they could making

651
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:24,799
what would be considered a headlining deal. Right now as

652
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:27,680
we're recording this, they've been hovering between the sixth, seventh

653
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,240
and eighth best lottery odds. Did you expect them to

654
00:31:31,359 --> 00:31:34,640
finish the season? I'll set the over under of lottery

655
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,880
odds at the seventh best lottery odds, better or worse

656
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:38,160
than that?

657
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: So are they the seventh word? Are they the twenty

658
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,720
third best team in the league at the end of

659
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,319
the season. I don't think I think they'll be better

660
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:49,480
than that. I do do a lot of that has

661
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,519
to do with other teams that I think will be worse,

662
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,440
that have outperformed expectations, Like I still think your Boston's

663
00:31:56,079 --> 00:32:00,119
are just come on, fellas like this this respect the

664
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:04,119
restart is pretty good, but like I just you don't

665
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:06,400
want this. This isn't worth it, you know. So I

666
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,119
think I think, you know, Dallas is down there, but

667
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,240
Dallas needs to keep its pick. There's lots of teams

668
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:14,240
that I think should be much more motivated to get

669
00:32:14,279 --> 00:32:17,079
real bad as soon as possible. And the Clippers, I mean.

670
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: The Jazz front office has to be furious right.

671
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:24,319
Speaker 2: Now, right, I know, But the Clippers just like you know,

672
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,240
maybe all these maybe Brook Lopez is really truly done,

673
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:29,880
and Chris Paula has announced officially he is going to

674
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,279
be done. Just these they all can't stay this bad

675
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:35,279
all season. So I think Clippers will be a little better.

676
00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:37,880
I think the teams around them and slightly above them

677
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,400
will be a little worse, and they'll they'll narrowly avoid

678
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:41,799
that seventh worst spot.

679
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: And I have a quick soapboxy thing, please, I think

680
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,279
it's unfair to relitigate why the thunder in this position

681
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,079
and why the Clippers are now, if you want to,

682
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,680
there's the James Harden trade that that is debatable, but

683
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:57,039
if you look in hindsight, it's not unfair to say

684
00:32:57,079 --> 00:32:58,400
this is going to go down as one of the

685
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,319
worst trades in NBA history. It absolutely is. But I

686
00:33:01,359 --> 00:33:04,839
don't think we get to I mean, I appreciate the jokes,

687
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,160
but I don't think we get to troll the Clippers

688
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,799
for making the move because this wasn't even a Remember

689
00:33:09,799 --> 00:33:12,720
when Kevin Durant was traded from the Nets to the Suns.

690
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,839
I think you and I both when we did our reaction,

691
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,160
pod landed on that's a lot. It's debatable. We probably

692
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,039
still would have made it, but we don't understand why

693
00:33:22,079 --> 00:33:26,319
the Suns didn't negotiate harder when that happened with you

694
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,480
got Kawhi MPG that summer for the Clippers. Nobody was

695
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:33,559
saying that they recognized that it was a lot. I

696
00:33:33,559 --> 00:33:36,000
think people said, well, you don't care because they'll either

697
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:38,039
still be good. Look at Kawhi and PG, look at

698
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,240
this is the model the two all NBA wings, or

699
00:33:41,279 --> 00:33:44,559
they said you might be bad, but fuck it because

700
00:33:44,559 --> 00:33:47,240
this is going to be worth it. It ended up

701
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,160
being a bad trade. I didn't see. And I if

702
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,480
you have receipts of yourself saying it, feel free to

703
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,640
send it to us in discorder somewhere. I don't remember

704
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,599
a single soul saying they would not have made that trade.

705
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,279
Speaker 2: I agree, And I think it's just the Shay part

706
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:07,240
of it, right because at the time, again, show me

707
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:09,159
the receipts, there were I'm sure there were people that

708
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,320
were like, this guy might be an All star or

709
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,119
you know he I really like him, he's he's he's

710
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,840
Quietly nobody was like, you know who the centerpiece of

711
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,320
this deal is. It's it's Shay, Like nobody was saying that.

712
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 1: So if you knew that the.

713
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,119
Speaker 2: Right If you knew that, then great, But no one

714
00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:30,880
foresaw an MVP best player on a championship team future

715
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,079
for him, so right, and and from the Clipper side,

716
00:34:34,079 --> 00:34:35,840
it's like, yeah, you give up a guy and Shay

717
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,920
that you like and you pay the picks at costs

718
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,800
to get Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. So it's not

719
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:45,519
just it's a it's a bad trade that like full stop,

720
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:48,119
it's a bad trade because the result it was it

721
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,440
wasn't even like the sticker shock was there just because

722
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,159
of the number of picks. But it wasn't one that.

723
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:57,840
There's so many other trades that were more obviously questionable.

724
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:01,119
This one has just worked out poor for the Clippers.

725
00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:04,239
And last thing I'd say is maybe betting on the

726
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,119
health of Kawhi and Paul. George was like that was

727
00:35:08,159 --> 00:35:10,719
your core mistake. But at the time, it was like,

728
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,880
these guys are great and they're exactly the types of

729
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:14,440
players you need, and you get two of them, you

730
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:15,440
give up what it costs.

731
00:35:15,679 --> 00:35:17,639
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh yeah, I think that's the I

732
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:24,719
think that's the right place to land another edition of

733
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,840
stat padding. We're gonna be bouncing all over the spectrum

734
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:31,480
of topics here, Grant, where would you like to start

735
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:32,239
for this one?

736
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: I am very very interested in some trade chatter, so

737
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,599
maybe we should start there.

738
00:35:39,519 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, LaMelo ball might be a little bit unhappy, So

739
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:46,480
let's play who says no LaMelo Ball? Edition will take

740
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:51,639
turns exchanging Grant. I'm gonna start, okay, who says no

741
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:57,719
LaMelo Ball? For Jonathan Kaminga, Brandon Pajemski Buddy healed Gary

742
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,159
Payton the second and two first round.

743
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,519
Speaker 2: H Man, If you wait like another two weeks, and

744
00:36:05,559 --> 00:36:10,039
the Warriors keep playing like they're playing. I think nobody

745
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:12,880
says no, but I think the Warriors say yes because

746
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,760
that's a lot of fun. So I guess Charlotte says

747
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:20,039
no by default. But man, that's what an interest like.

748
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,599
Maybe they get the guy that they should have taken

749
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,800
way back instead of Jonathan, instead of James Wiseman. Just

750
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,639
everybody ends up where they're supposed to be.

751
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,039
Speaker 1: You don't think Joe lacub comes in and vetos this

752
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:34,360
because you're giving away two future All Stars and JK

753
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:35,440
and pods.

754
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 2: I think LaMelo would just instantly become a Lake Up

755
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:40,639
guy and then it all be fine.

756
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what the depth would look like. You

757
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,400
still have the Anthony Melton, you still have Moses Moody,

758
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,599
Al Horford, Draymond, Jimmy Butler, Steph. I'm it's not the

759
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:52,840
most durable team, but I would absolutely but shout out

760
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,800
to a video editor of Hardwin Knox Andrew for coming up.

761
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,440
He sent that to me and said, I want to

762
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,199
see what your Grant's reaction is to it, and I said,

763
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,480
I think it's gonna break his brain. But you were

764
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,360
pretty on board with that.

765
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 2: I mean, I just know that what they've got right

766
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:08,480
now isn't quite enough, and they are gonna trade cominga anyway,

767
00:37:08,559 --> 00:37:10,800
So why not? And what have I said has been

768
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:14,400
the Warriors' biggest limitation for a couple of years now,

769
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,119
just secondary creation. I think LaMelo might help, just to

770
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:20,360
touch in the shot creation department. All right, I've got

771
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:26,280
one for you, Dan, LaMelo ball for Tyler Hero, Caspres

772
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:30,119
Yacuccionis and the Miami Heat take the protections off of

773
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:33,159
the lottery protected pick they already owe Charlotte in twenty

774
00:37:33,199 --> 00:37:34,599
twenty seven. Who says no?

775
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: I think Miami probably says no to that. And I

776
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,760
think that's right because if you're Charlotte, you kind of

777
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,920
know LaMelo Ball's availability, and so if you know you're

778
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,159
gonna get an unprotected pick from the Heat next summer,

779
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:50,599
but you also kind of look at the depth they

780
00:37:50,599 --> 00:37:52,960
have and they've still been pretty good without Hero this year.

781
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:56,800
I think I think maybe both sides say no. I

782
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,960
think both sides say I think, don't you think Charlotte

783
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,960
will want more than that Lamello trade.

784
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting. I think both sides do say no.

785
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,039
But I was going to go with well, I think

786
00:38:05,039 --> 00:38:06,760
maybe the Heat want to see a longer stretch with

787
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,280
Tyler Herro before they may pull any triggers here. Plus, like,

788
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:14,639
can LaMelo ball play this new screenless style that the

789
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:17,000
Heat play? Does he need a ball screen to be

790
00:38:17,119 --> 00:38:19,320
his best? I don't know. It'd be a weird, weird adjustment,

791
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:20,159
weird experiment.

792
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: Who says no Lamello ball for Scoot Henderson, Robert Williams,

793
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,519
the third Matisse Thibel and two first round picks.

794
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,079
Speaker 2: I kind of think Charlotte says no to that. The

795
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:37,119
two first are intriguing, But at this point, with Scoot

796
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:40,519
and the hamstring and the underwhelming first couple of years,

797
00:38:40,559 --> 00:38:43,039
we're still kind of scoot guys around here. But I

798
00:38:43,079 --> 00:38:46,440
don't know if you're getting enough as Charlotte here. Williams

799
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,119
has his own injury concerns and thigh will is I

800
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:50,719
don't know. I don't know if that's a value at

801
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,800
it pure salary filler n D. I think I think

802
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:54,840
Charlotte says no there.

803
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: I agree Portland shold pounds on it. If it's I

804
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:58,360
think I like Scoot.

805
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,599
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm so glad I get to administer this

806
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:03,760
one to you. This We've got a challenge trade alert.

807
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,000
We need a sound effect for that Ja Morant for

808
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,320
LaMelo Ball, that is the trade who says no?

809
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: I think the Grizzlies say no. I don't think that

810
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,400
they should. I think the Hornets should say no. I

811
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:22,360
Ja Morant is an exceptional player. The Grizzlies since he's

812
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,199
coming to the NBA have had an elite offense when

813
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,199
he's on the court. I have not seen his game

814
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,079
expand enough to think that someone who is so still

815
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:34,119
reliant on quickness and athleticism. He's a smart passer, Don't

816
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:36,360
get me wrong. I just don't think between the defense,

817
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,679
the shaky jumper, and what does he look like in

818
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,280
two to three years athletically, he's not someone that I

819
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:44,920
want to be building my team around right now.

820
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: I think that's right. I think for Charlotte's kind of

821
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,960
longer view timeline, too, the agent curve for Jaw, which

822
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,280
you mentioned, has to be like just top of mind,

823
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,559
Like by the time Charlotte has a real team built,

824
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,639
what like, how good is Jaw when he's not as athletic.

825
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:03,000
I mean, he's already losing athleticism, so like, what does

826
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:06,480
that look like? I think I think Charlotte's Charlotte's gonna pass.

827
00:40:06,199 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 1: On that one. Sound the challenge trade alert again. I'm

828
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:14,119
stealing this one. Domont is a bonus for LaMelo ball.

829
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:20,159
Speaker 2: The Kings should and would definitely should, probably would say

830
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,800
yes to this real quick. I think just Charlotte guards

831
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,639
Charlotte should say no. Well, just getting LaMelo ball in

832
00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,519
there gives you like something to build around, and I

833
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:33,000
think that's what the King should be doing, is just

834
00:40:33,039 --> 00:40:34,679
tearing it all the way down and trying to find

835
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,639
a new cornerstone and ball. Plenty of risk, plenty of

836
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,920
injury concerns. Never really seen him sustain things on a winner.

837
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:44,400
But man, that's just like you have something to sort

838
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,519
of orbit around as the Kings, which is what they're

839
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:50,760
gonna need. All right, I've got one for you here.

840
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,400
This is tough. There's a couple to look at. I'm

841
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:58,280
gonna give you the three teamer. The Chicago Bulls get

842
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:04,639
Anthony Davis, Dallas gets LaMelo Ball, Zach Collins, Charlotte gets

843
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,920
Deep Breath, Kobe White, Kevin Herder, Brandon Williams, an unprotected

844
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:12,800
Bulls pick, and the Lakers twenty twenty nine pick via Dallas.

845
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: So Dallas is basically giving up the Lakers pick and

846
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:24,360
Anthony Davis to get LaMelo Ball That seems bizarre, But

847
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:28,159
the Lakers pick in twenty twenty nine with Luca. I

848
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:32,079
think Charlotte getting Kobe White and two and two picks

849
00:41:32,119 --> 00:41:35,960
for LaMelo and then Brandon Williams is useful. I think

850
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:39,599
Dallas is probably the team that says no, right or

851
00:41:39,639 --> 00:41:43,320
is it Chicago says yes, they're they're getting Anthony Davis

852
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,880
for a first round pick in Kobe White. I think

853
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:46,760
they wind up saying yes because it's Chicago.

854
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: I think too, we need to know if Dallas still

855
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,719
believes defense wins championships now that Nico Harrison has gone,

856
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,519
and if that stance has changed, maybe we're talking a

857
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:58,400
deal here. But if not, I don't think you're well.

858
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:00,679
You could still build a pretty good defense with what

859
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,800
Dallas has left over at Lamello, Right.

860
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:08,039
Speaker 1: Like is insane? That's Pamelo. Yeah, I think Dallas. The

861
00:42:08,079 --> 00:42:09,639
fact that you have to give up Anthony Davis in

862
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:11,559
a first round pick, though, is kind of a bummer.

863
00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:16,119
If you're there. Yep, final trade idea grant. The Milwaukee

864
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:19,960
Bucks are gonna take a final swing. Kyle Kuzma, Bobby

865
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,400
portist an unprotected twenty thirty one first round pick and

866
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,119
an unprotected twenty thirty two first round swap for LaMelo

867
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:31,880
Ball and Mason Plumbley, who says, now, I.

868
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 2: Think Charlotte has to say yes to this. So I

869
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,719
guess just because you're you're buying, you're buying in on

870
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,679
the Bucks post Giannis or extreme decline Gianni's future, and

871
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:48,119
the only thing that might keep those picks from being

872
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,800
really really good is LaMelo Ball is staying healthy. Like,

873
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,599
I think that's a bet Charlotte should be willing to

874
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:56,239
make if you're the Bucks. This is fascinating because in theory,

875
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,760
it's a little bit like the King's argument, where LaMelo

876
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,039
Balls in your new centerpiece. He's the guy that's gonna

877
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:04,320
be the guy after Giannis. I get that in theory,

878
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,119
but you're just the cupboards bear, and is LaMelo gonna

879
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:12,599
help Giannis chase the title in the next couple of years,

880
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:15,920
I don't that's a weird fit, right, we have to concede.

881
00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:18,199
Speaker 1: If I'm the Bucks, I probably just do it. But

882
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:20,199
you know how I feel Aboutlamelo Ball. I think Charlotte

883
00:43:20,199 --> 00:43:24,400
says no, just because those picks are so far out

884
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,920
Jeff Peterson. Is he going to be the one making

885
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,039
them or what is your intention of using them? There

886
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:31,199
needs to be some type of a core player or

887
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,760
imminent pick coming back. So I like it less for

888
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,840
Charlotte than I do for because even if Jannis leaves

889
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,719
and you're Milwaukee, you could still view LaMelo as a

890
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,159
tent pole guy potentially.

891
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: Sure, that's how you know it's a good trade. As

892
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,119
we've each said, the opposite team would say no, all.

893
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:47,519
Speaker 1: Right, that does it for the LaMelo trades. Let's talk

894
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:50,159
this is. I think this is gonna be fun and

895
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,480
ultra difficult, difficult gramp. So, who's the one NBA player

896
00:43:55,639 --> 00:43:58,440
you'd pick to guard each of the top five stars

897
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:02,840
in the league. Is Once you select a defender, he's

898
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,639
off the board. So the top five player pool, we'll

899
00:44:06,679 --> 00:44:09,519
just go through them one by one. I'll start throwing

900
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:11,719
it to you. Who's the one player you're picking to

901
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:12,880
defend Nikola Jokic?

902
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,079
Speaker 2: Okay, So this will seem counterintuitive at first, but I

903
00:44:16,119 --> 00:44:21,440
am choosing Alex Caruso, who I will not really most

904
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,559
people would know. Well, Ruy does tie in here a

905
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:25,719
little bit because the Lakers kind of offered the theory

906
00:44:26,559 --> 00:44:29,960
a little bit. So the reason I'm picking Kruso ultimately

907
00:44:30,039 --> 00:44:33,360
is because he's the last thing that actually worked against

908
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,880
Jokich because in Game seven of the Western Conference semifinals

909
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,800
last year, the thunder just put Caruso on Jokic instead

910
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,000
of kind of using him as a helper, and so

911
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:45,679
Jokic has not technically had time to solve that, which

912
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:47,960
he will, but for the moment, it's the only thing

913
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,920
we know that has worked relatively well against Jokic. Obviously

914
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,480
there's help coming, but Caruso fronting him, getting up underneath him,

915
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:59,199
nullifying the two man game with Jamal Murray, which is

916
00:44:59,199 --> 00:45:02,199
critical because he can just switch it. Uh. I think

917
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,840
Caruso and help is just the only thing we've seen

918
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:09,519
work remotely. Uh And until Yoki solves it, that's that's

919
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:10,159
my default.

920
00:45:12,119 --> 00:45:14,559
Speaker 1: That's I was not expected. I don't know who I

921
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:16,800
was expecting you to pick. It wasn't someone who's a

922
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,719
foot shorter than Nikola Jokic, No.

923
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,679
Speaker 2: And like one hundred pounds lad or two. But yeah,

924
00:45:20,679 --> 00:45:22,920
sometimes you got to think outside the box with Jokic. Now,

925
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,000
do you want to nominate a Yokic defender? Would you

926
00:45:25,079 --> 00:45:27,400
like me to give you another of the top five

927
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:28,719
that you've got to find the defender.

928
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:30,159
Speaker 1: No, I think we just have to move. That's the

929
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:32,599
gives the element. If we can't pick him twice, you.

930
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 2: Cannot use Alex Caruso and this would be awkward if

931
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:38,119
you did. To defend Shay Gil just Alexander. So who

932
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:38,760
are you picking?

933
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 1: Lou Dort? Can we use their own too?

934
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:40,519
Speaker 2: No?

935
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm curious if this will surprise you. I'm

936
00:45:44,159 --> 00:45:47,400
gonna go with Tamani Kamara because I think with I

937
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:49,639
think with Shay, it's not just you need someone who

938
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,079
could keep pace with him, and Tomany Kamara is basically

939
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:55,079
a five position defender. If you need someone who's not

940
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,679
going to come out of their shoes anytime he sort

941
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:01,360
of tries to draw contact, he's changing directions. He's just

942
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,800
so shifty and eccentric with the way that he moves.

943
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:09,079
I trust Tamani Kamara to be both versatile and disciplined

944
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:11,639
against him. And he's also not in fury. No, he is.

945
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:13,760
He as strong as o Gian and Obi No, but

946
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,119
he's not someone that shake Gilders. Alexander should be able

947
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:18,320
to because Shay's kind of sneakily strong, especially if he's

948
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:21,320
able to use his off arm YEP I like that one,

949
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,880
so I get to throw you Gianni's attent to Kompo.

950
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,079
Speaker 2: Okay, So I think it's Draymond, and the numbers kind

951
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:33,119
of back it up. Giannis has shot forty six percent

952
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,480
against Straymond fifty three point six true shooting in games

953
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,639
against Straymond. He's not being guarded exclusively by him, under

954
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:42,079
twenty points a game for Yanness, which is like, you'll

955
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:46,440
take that. And I think Draymond is obviously like at

956
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:51,199
an athletic disadvantage, but he's not someone you're successfully gonna

957
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:54,400
drive straight through over and over again, because he will

958
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,480
get in position. He will he will ratchet up the

959
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,719
physicality to the point where like it's a you can't

960
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,400
call all of them kind of thing. He'll make it

961
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,079
harder for Jannis to pass, he can stray off of

962
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:07,239
him away from the ball, because that's really what Draymond

963
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:10,400
is best at. I just think he's smart enough and

964
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,039
has enough length to bother Jannis. And some of the

965
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:15,519
numbers are kind of compelling, So you don't feel good

966
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,920
about anybody against the honest, but I think that's where I'd.

967
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:22,800
Speaker 1: Go that's a I'm I don't know. I feel like

968
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,400
I would have went with someone else there, but I

969
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,800
get the pick. It's just current Draymond. You think that's

970
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:27,280
still the.

971
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 2: That's that's the issue is I think if I think

972
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,960
the Jannis numbers would look a little better if they

973
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:36,159
were all against current Draymond. So the past is doing

974
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:38,599
some work here. I just think he's I mean, you

975
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:40,639
can't there's no good choice. Like it just seees so

976
00:47:40,679 --> 00:47:42,280
physically overwhelming.

977
00:47:43,519 --> 00:47:45,559
Speaker 1: The board for somebody else though, which I think is

978
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:46,679
kind of important.

979
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:49,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's good. I made it hard on you,

980
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,599
all right. You got to guard Luka Doncic with one

981
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:53,719
player who's going to.

982
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: Be Should I be tempted at all just to go

983
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,599
with Jaden McDaniels, because there's the proof of concept during

984
00:47:58,599 --> 00:48:01,719
that one playoffs here and even this season, I think

985
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,000
that the Lakers offense hasn't been great when Luca's being

986
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:07,679
guarded by Jane McDaniels. But I feel in my heart

987
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,559
that the answer should be someone like Ogananobi because Luca

988
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:13,920
Dntrich is so big, can be physical, has a finesse

989
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,880
part of his game. I don't like the idea necessarily

990
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,079
of Og having to spend so much time defending the

991
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:24,039
point of attack and going around screens. Ah, I'm just

992
00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:26,320
gonna stick with og Anobe. I feel like that's a

993
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,119
high reward, low floor type of pick.

994
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you give any thought? I think so. My

995
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:37,199
I would have gone Aaron Gordon. Oh, just a good one.

996
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:41,400
The size, You're not gonna bait him into dumb stuff. Uh,

997
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,000
he's still really mobile. I mean you you have to

998
00:48:45,039 --> 00:48:47,480
pick og and Gordon are kind of a piece, right,

999
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,639
Like you have to pick someone that is physically strong

1000
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,800
enough to not just get put on Luca's hip and eliminated.

1001
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,639
So Og, I mean, there's again, surprise, there's no good

1002
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:57,159
option here.

1003
00:48:57,639 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: I think this is the only debatable player in so

1004
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,880
to round out the top five players is Victor webin Yama?

1005
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,000
Who are you picking to defend him?

1006
00:49:07,519 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: Well, So it's tempting to kind of take the Jokic

1007
00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:14,280
approach of we need somebody small, everybody smaller, but like

1008
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,079
you want somebody to get underneath him, right like you

1009
00:49:17,159 --> 00:49:20,280
Drew Holliday used to bother Kevin Durant this way, right.

1010
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,000
I just think I think the height and length advantage

1011
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,920
is so profound that like Wemby will just turn around

1012
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,480
and shoot or turn around and pass and see every angle.

1013
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,480
So I'm gonna go with Chet Holmgren. And I think

1014
00:49:33,639 --> 00:49:37,280
part of that is I like the theater of We've

1015
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,360
seen some really contentious matchups between the two of them,

1016
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,960
and I think Chet, in his heart of hearts, believes

1017
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:44,800
that he's as good as Weeban Yama, and so that

1018
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,639
makes it as much as anything, like a fun thing

1019
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:50,360
to see these guys go at each other. But he's

1020
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,199
Chet's long, he's mobile. I think, like you know, he's

1021
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,280
as good as you're gonna do unless you find someone

1022
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,440
that can really just move Wemby off his spot and

1023
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,480
is still somehow able to just like bother his length,

1024
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,760
which I don't know who that guy is.

1025
00:50:05,639 --> 00:50:07,480
Speaker 1: I think that's a good call. Did you give any

1026
00:50:07,559 --> 00:50:11,880
thought or my overthinking this to an amen? Thompson, Well,

1027
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:14,360
physicality at him?

1028
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, we haven't used him, and I think if you

1029
00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:21,039
want someone to just make life difficult, that's probably your guy.

1030
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,840
You could throw him at almost anybody we've mentioned. By

1031
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:27,000
the way, uh so that that's a good one. And

1032
00:50:27,039 --> 00:50:29,960
then by extension, just why isn't it a star? Thompson like,

1033
00:50:30,039 --> 00:50:33,239
there's if you're gonna pick one, let's let's do both. Hey,

1034
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:36,039
do you know what package deal both Thompsons.

1035
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 1: First of all, that's in real life. That's how Wemby

1036
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:42,280
would be defended, is with more than one guy. Anyway,

1037
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:45,320
So did you give thought to putting Wemby on any

1038
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,239
of the other players we mentioned.

1039
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: Basically all of them just but then like, don't you

1040
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,159
just want him roving a little bit more?

1041
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:55,559
Speaker 1: And also he's fit, he's gotten stronger. But all the

1042
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:59,320
dudes that we named Yokic that that would be Wemby die,

1043
00:50:59,519 --> 00:51:00,280
I don't.

1044
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:03,079
Speaker 2: I would say the one I gave the most thought

1045
00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,639
to was using him on Shay because he could back

1046
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:08,880
off and like the Shay getting his shoulder into you

1047
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,440
isn't like a thing, because Wemby could just meet him

1048
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,679
at the spot and he could if Shae wants to

1049
00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:17,679
shoot long two's that Wemby jumps out at great.

1050
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, it was funny. So I

1051
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,599
didn't pick Aaron Gordon for Luka Dancic, which I kind

1052
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:25,480
of like better now that you mentioned it. I was

1053
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:28,119
saving Gordon and it wasn't sure how we were going

1054
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:30,000
to do this. In my head. I thought Aaron Gordon

1055
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:33,679
needed to be the Wemby defender and so, but there

1056
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,079
is Yeah? Is there anyone who could slow down any

1057
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:37,280
of these guys? It's the real question.

1058
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,159
Speaker 2: No, That's why this is a fun exercise.

1059
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:43,679
Speaker 1: We have a couple Grant only exercises to go through.

1060
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:45,039
Are you ready for those?

1061
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 2: Perfect? I don't need to prepare anything, Grant.

1062
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: I am giving you a chance at redemption. Here, seven

1063
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:57,840
active NBA players have at least five twenty five, five

1064
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,280
and five seasons for their career. Twenty five points, five rebounds,

1065
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,920
five assists, still a meaningful stat line? How many of them?

1066
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:08,320
Can you name? You have three strikes and no pressure?

1067
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:10,239
Make me prouder?

1068
00:52:10,280 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: Else, I would like to start by guessing Lebron has a.

1069
00:52:17,199 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: Correct and he has twenty twenty five to five and

1070
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,039
five seasons?

1071
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 2: Can I transfer some of those over to the other

1072
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,199
players that I will guess? That will be wrong?

1073
00:52:25,679 --> 00:52:28,360
Speaker 1: What does the say I will say? If this is

1074
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,519
any help? Nobody has even half as many seasons as

1075
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:34,039
Lebron of twenty five to five surprising?

1076
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:37,119
Speaker 2: Okay, so how many twenty five, five and five seasons? Sorry?

1077
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,679
Speaker 1: Seven guys have at least five of them?

1078
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,079
Speaker 2: At least five. Okay, I think Luca's got to be

1079
00:52:42,119 --> 00:52:42,559
on there.

1080
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,880
Speaker 1: Right, Luca is that's two of two.

1081
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,079
Speaker 2: This is how I started last time, So I'm now

1082
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:54,480
I'm concerned. Man. I'm gonna hope that James Harden has

1083
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:57,559
the rebounds because we know he's got the points and assists.

1084
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,639
Speaker 1: James Harden has has him and Luca both had seven

1085
00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:01,760
such season, So you are three of three.

1086
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,599
Speaker 2: Hmm twenty five five? Ooh, does jannest I'm gonna say, Yannis,

1087
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:09,320
I know, I don't know about the assists for him.

1088
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: Jannis is tied in second place with eight. You are

1089
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,079
currently four of four.

1090
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 2: I should retire now, but yeah, the assists or the

1091
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,039
tricky part, let's I'm sure there's some obvious ones. I

1092
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,119
don't think Durant has the Durant is not an official guest.

1093
00:53:25,159 --> 00:53:26,800
I do not think he's got the assists.

1094
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,039
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler, Jimmy Butler's not on the list. Strike one,

1095
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:35,480
m that hurts.

1096
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:38,559
Speaker 2: Let's see, I might. I'm not gonna ask you for

1097
00:53:38,639 --> 00:53:40,320
hints yet, but when I get to strike two, I

1098
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,400
definitely will. Uh well, yokich that there you go.

1099
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: That's number five on one strike.

1100
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Embiid has the assists. I will

1101
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:58,559
not guess him. Let's see. I don't think man, I

1102
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,280
know there's a lot of dead air. I hope you

1103
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,159
can edit around this.

1104
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,199
Speaker 1: Um, he says to the viewers who will be watching

1105
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:06,360
it and watch this.

1106
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:17,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's see. I'll just fire off some guesses like, uhine.

1107
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 1: You need to game it out.

1108
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,760
Speaker 2: How about Jason Tatum? Is he on there that strike too?

1109
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:21,400
I will say, give me a hint.

1110
00:54:22,039 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna get one of them because

1111
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:26,039
of something you already said.

1112
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 2: Oh well, let's see who I I I guess I'll

1113
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:31,400
say Durant.

1114
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 1: How about that that is he's he's tied for second

1115
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,519
with eight such seasons.

1116
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 2: Surprise the assist up there? So I got I got

1117
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:38,960
one strike?

1118
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:42,719
Speaker 1: Would you like a clue?

1119
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:43,679
Speaker 2: Yes? Please?

1120
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,679
Speaker 1: If you don't get this one, you were going to

1121
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,960
feel terrible about yourself and everything you stand for.

1122
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 2: Okay, then Steph has to be my guess.

1123
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: That is correct, you did it. He has six such season.

1124
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,199
Shout out to Steph getting those rebounds And I thought,

1125
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:00,679
I thought for a second you weren't gonna yo kitch.

1126
00:55:00,679 --> 00:55:02,800
And that was the most aside from Lebron was the

1127
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:03,880
most obvious one to me.

1128
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it absolutely is. They probably should have been

1129
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:09,840
the second guess, But I just was thinking, once you

1130
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,960
start with Lebron, you start thinking about the the hard

1131
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:14,800
I almost said Kawhi, but I don't think he had

1132
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,599
the assists. You start thinking about the older classic guys

1133
00:55:17,599 --> 00:55:19,719
that just have so many seasons that they have to

1134
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,599
be on there. Which again, should I almost guess Lillard,

1135
00:55:22,599 --> 00:55:24,119
but I don't think he ever had the rebounds.

1136
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure he did, but yeah, five times is a lot,

1137
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:32,679
and Lebron is a psychopath. We are on guess a

1138
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:34,719
player first, Guess a Player of the season. We're only

1139
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,760
gonna do one of them. As a reminder, you can

1140
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:38,639
submit them, and also if you want to submit the

1141
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:41,559
type of trivia that Grant just did with the players

1142
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:43,280
in stats, you can send those to us as well.

1143
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:45,719
We're always wanting to take audience input from him, but

1144
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,159
because we're pressed for time, we're only gonna do one.

1145
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:52,119
It comes from Matti L. Grant, so shout out Matty L.

1146
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,440
Are you ready.

1147
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,599
Speaker 2: To remember who Matti L is a fan of? This

1148
00:55:57,639 --> 00:55:59,159
is always helpful, But that's okay.

1149
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:04,119
Speaker 1: We'll go Clue number one, I was named lot Vian

1150
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:05,679
League Newcomer of the Year.

1151
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:10,039
Speaker 2: Okay, well, now we're speaking my language. Let's see lot

1152
00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:13,400
Ving League. Well again, it's been a while since we've

1153
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:15,960
done this. But this doesn't necessarily mean this is a

1154
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:19,920
lot Vian player. But I have to attempt the one

1155
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,719
shot kill. We don't have a year. He was just

1156
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:25,840
named lot Vian League newcomer of the year. That's it.

1157
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:34,119
Speaker 1: Yep, Andre Spiadrinch, You just one shot killed it, did I?

1158
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,559
That's insane? That's insane.

1159
00:56:38,599 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: Well, when you think lot Via Dan, there's only one

1160
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:41,559
place to start.

1161
00:56:41,679 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: Now you can't. I don't know if we've ever turned

1162
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:46,199
guess a player into a short I think we did.

1163
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:47,960
We've Now we've been shout out to aw is doing

1164
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:49,440
great work for us. You guys will meet him on

1165
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,159
the pod soon. By the way, uh, we can't even

1166
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:54,599
cut this up because no one.

1167
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:56,519
Speaker 2: Here's some more clues. I just want to walk down

1168
00:56:56,519 --> 00:56:57,599
memory lane with Goose.

1169
00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:00,679
Speaker 1: We need to cut that one out, the first ten

1170
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:05,000
second clip that we ever post. So clue number two

1171
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was I was drafted in the teams in the same

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draft as Dwight Howard and Lewell dang, would you've gotten

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00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:11,519
it at that point? No.

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00:57:12,159 --> 00:57:14,920
Speaker 2: In my mind, bedriance is like the eleventh pick or something,

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00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:16,360
which is I guess wrong.

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00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 1: But clue number three. I averaged three point six points,

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00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:22,159
three point nine rebounds, point eight blocks, and two point

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00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:25,039
nine foy twelve point eight minutes in thirty games during

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my rookie season and was the youngest player in the league.

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00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:29,119
I did not know he was ever the youngest player

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in the league.

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Speaker 2: I do remember that a lot was made on Warriors

1183
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,519
broadcast at the time of anytime he did something wrong,

1184
00:57:34,639 --> 00:57:36,639
there would be the excuse of he's the youngest player

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in the league.

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Speaker 1: I might have got there. I'm curious if you would

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have known this one. In my second season, this is

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00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,519
clue four. I was called the one minute man for

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00:57:44,599 --> 00:57:45,760
my constant foul trouble.

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Speaker 2: No, that was an issue. I don't remember that.

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00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:52,719
Speaker 1: Clue five. In my third season, I was given the

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00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,119
starting center spot after a changing coaching and aDNA Foyle

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00:57:56,199 --> 00:57:56,920
getting benched.

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00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:00,079
Speaker 2: I would have had it there. I think, okay, for sure.

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Speaker 1: That's still five out of it. You would have gotten

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00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,880
a five, So we're going through. CLU six was after this.

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00:58:04,360 --> 00:58:08,000
After my fifth season, I finished fifth in Most Improved voting,

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00:58:08,159 --> 00:58:09,119
behind a teammate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if we know the year, because because Monte got

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00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,199
it right that year, that had.

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00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: To be the I don't even remember that b Adrians

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00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,679
had finished that high. Yeah, these things were fun because

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00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:22,440
I'm learning in real time.

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00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:27,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're learning about like a that was ultimately a

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00:58:27,679 --> 00:58:31,880
dark but like weirdly bright stretch of Bad Warriors teams

1206
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,119
because Beadrinch and Ellis were like, Okay, we got like

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00:58:35,239 --> 00:58:37,800
some young guys that are fun to watch, but I

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00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,039
mean they just weren't like winning players. But that's the

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00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:42,119
best we could do at the time.

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Speaker 1: Clue seven wasn't eight oh nine. I signed a six

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00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,079
year contract to keep me with the team that drafted

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00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:49,079
me and was named a co captain. You definitely would

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00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:53,320
have had that. Between nine and ten and then twenty

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00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,840
twelve thirteen, I struggled with injury and form, constantly being

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00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,800
pulled out of the starting lineup for such names as

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00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:00,800
at gate Udo and Jeremy Tyler.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have had it.

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00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:03,079
Speaker 1: There.

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00:59:03,559 --> 00:59:05,639
Speaker 2: Does he get into the free throw issues because that

1220
00:59:05,679 --> 00:59:09,119
became like that ruined his career. He was he was

1221
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:12,400
Ben Simmons. He was terrified to get fouled.

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00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:15,119
Speaker 1: No the final two clues Clue nine. In July twenty thirteen,

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00:59:15,159 --> 00:59:16,760
I was part of a trade to the Utah Jazz

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00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,360
and order for my team to clear cap space for

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00:59:18,400 --> 00:59:21,079
Andrea Gadala. Include ten was I played six games with

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00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:24,320
the Jazz, with game six being my last ever NBA game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The only other thing I would have thrown

1228
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,840
in there to get the full picture is he was

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00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,559
incredibly tanned, just a terrifically tan human being for someone

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from Latvia.

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Speaker 1: The skin complexion was just on point. An NBA very.

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Speaker 2: Jailed hair, extreme jail user. He was a lot of fun, though.

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00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,320
I really the Beadrinch experience was overall positive.

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Speaker 1: All right, we have one more thing to do again,

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00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:52,320
send us Guessa players more, and also send to if

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00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,039
you want to move from Guessa players the type of

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00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:56,559
trivia stuff, so then I could do them as well.

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00:59:56,599 --> 00:59:58,920
If you send them to grant a docs or in

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00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,760
our discord, Hey go join our discord. Look at that

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01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,360
our final one grant Are you ready and more importantly,

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01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,360
are you excited?

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01:00:06,039 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 2: I am beyond excited because I know what this is.

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Speaker 1: Let's rank these groups of three NBA players according to

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their current trade value. You will start us off by

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01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,800
going with LaMelo, Ball, John Morant, and Shrey Young.

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01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:25,239
Speaker 2: Okay, I would like to before I answer, can we

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01:00:25,400 --> 01:00:29,639
operate collectively here? Because this is these are all so difficult,

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01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:33,760
So I think I think LaMelo has to have the

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01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,000
most trade value of this time.

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01:00:35,079 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: Yes. This is inspired by Schmid Duovi in the Know,

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01:00:38,039 --> 01:00:41,679
who posted a question on Socials asking about it. I

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01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:46,719
just younger. The injury history is okay, yeah it's bad,

1253
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:50,039
but the stuff he can do as a shooter even

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01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:52,480
if he's off the ball, and just the positional size

1255
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,719
is up, so he's not a great defender and he

1256
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:56,639
can be stiff, but you can still kind of make

1257
01:00:56,639 --> 01:00:58,719
plays defensively because he's so big. So I'd bet on

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01:00:58,800 --> 01:00:59,559
him and.

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01:00:59,559 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 2: Fun Man right, he's still on the fun Max.

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01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:06,079
Speaker 1: My controversial take would be I think Trey belongs at

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01:01:06,159 --> 01:01:06,639
number two.

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01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:08,039
Speaker 2: I agree with that.

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01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: Okay, good just and for me it's strictly you have

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01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:14,440
to I know John Morant's contract runs a little longer,

1265
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,039
so maybe you're worried about Trey's player option. I just

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01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:20,320
worry about the way John Morant is gonna age, and

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01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,760
so he's already both him and Trey our defensive liabilities.

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01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,760
Tray's worse, of course, but he is despite what we've

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01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:27,840
seen this season, he's the better shooter. I think he's

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01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,480
the player that's gonna age better. And also the other

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01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,320
thing that we're not talking about is because his contract

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01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:33,960
is shorter, who's to say he's not gonna get He

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01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:36,159
might not get another max deal and so his contract

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01:01:36,159 --> 01:01:37,280
could become more team friendly.

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01:01:37,559 --> 01:01:40,119
Speaker 2: He's gonna be a real test of the league's tolerance

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01:01:40,119 --> 01:01:43,719
for max salaries. I think we have to acknowledge that

1277
01:01:44,719 --> 01:01:46,519
there's a I don't know how big of a chance

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01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:48,800
it is, but there is one that Jaw changes teams

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01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:51,159
and looks very much like the guy that we thought

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01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:53,840
he was two three years ago. I just like, you

1281
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:55,639
can't bet on that, and that has to be priced

1282
01:01:55,679 --> 01:02:01,079
into the trade value thing. Got ittle, Let's see if

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01:02:01,079 --> 01:02:04,559
it sticks. All right, you and with my help, have

1284
01:02:04,679 --> 01:02:08,400
to order the trade value of Anthony Davis, James Harden,

1285
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and Karl Anthony Towns a very different list.

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Speaker 1: This is really is this tough? This is tough? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? These are all tough.

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Speaker 1: I well, I don't know who to pick. Number. My

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01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,559
instinct says that you should just bet on ad being

1290
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:25,199
the he's still at the Adria could be a transformative player.

1291
01:02:25,239 --> 01:02:27,920
But am I two? And part of me is two,

1292
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,239
blinded by what we've seen in Dallas and then the

1293
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:34,199
recency biases the Clippers are awful, but James Harden is amazing.

1294
01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:35,920
But then should we be worried that the Clippers are

1295
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,920
awful just by James Harden being amazing.

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01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 2: Here's I think where we start. I think Towns is

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just third because the best version of Towns is not

1298
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,559
on these two guys level. Exclude age or whatever, like,

1299
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:49,400
it's not like Towns is that young anyway.

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Speaker 1: And you boil it down to you can't pay thirty

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01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,760
five percent of the cap to a floor spacing center

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who is reluctant to space the floor and does and

1303
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:58,320
can't play center that.

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01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:59,159
Speaker 2: Is not a center.

1305
01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:04,039
Speaker 1: Yeah right, so work our way backwards. Yeah, it's hard.

1306
01:03:04,159 --> 01:03:06,639
Hard has to be two because he's older. That's really

1307
01:03:07,039 --> 01:03:10,159
his contract. I feel better because he's already signing for less.

1308
01:03:10,519 --> 01:03:12,599
So there, I think they're deals. He has the player

1309
01:03:12,599 --> 01:03:15,519
option after this year, and Anthony Davis is gonna be

1310
01:03:15,559 --> 01:03:18,239
up for an extension. I just you can make a

1311
01:03:18,239 --> 01:03:20,280
case based on this season alone that it needs to

1312
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:23,880
be hardened. But I think he's older and he's less

1313
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:25,920
plug and play than a healthy a day.

1314
01:03:26,159 --> 01:03:29,159
Speaker 2: Right, right, If you trade for James Harden, it's very difficult.

1315
01:03:29,679 --> 01:03:31,559
It's just not not just any team can do that.

1316
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:35,320
I think Davis is someone. Davis has to have the

1317
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,559
highest trade value, So it's got to be Davis one,

1318
01:03:37,639 --> 01:03:39,360
hardened two Cat three.

1319
01:03:40,639 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 1: Our next one gonna start off with these three calling

1320
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:47,119
an audible here, based off peak behind the curtain, based

1321
01:03:47,159 --> 01:03:50,039
off how this is going to be separated. Bam Adebayo,

1322
01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:53,800
Jalen Brown, and Jaron Jackson Junior. Who would you have

1323
01:03:54,039 --> 01:03:55,599
this is? This is another tough one.

1324
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,360
Speaker 2: You know, this is a little easier for me. Let me.

1325
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,480
I think has the highest trade value of the three.

1326
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:06,480
I just I think you get some plug and play

1327
01:04:06,599 --> 01:04:10,199
elements there. They're all these guys are are portable. But

1328
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:13,360
I think Bam can anchor the defense of a team

1329
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,119
that looks a lot of different ways. I think the

1330
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:20,320
playmaking he provides at center, I just I feel safe.

1331
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:24,519
I feel I feel safe with Bam in ways I

1332
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:27,559
don't with the other two. Do you agree that Bam

1333
01:04:27,639 --> 01:04:29,000
is the highest trade value there?

1334
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,119
Speaker 1: I think that's right. He's the I mean, he is

1335
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:35,320
the most versatile defender in the NBA, or at least

1336
01:04:35,320 --> 01:04:37,599
one of the most five, right, So when that and

1337
01:04:37,599 --> 01:04:39,840
then offensively, he can do things as a passer but

1338
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:42,239
doesn't need to be dominating, and.

1339
01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 2: The three point shot emerging this year for him makes

1340
01:04:45,519 --> 01:04:47,760
it so like you can't just say, well, it's Jackson

1341
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:51,400
because of Because of that, I think I think Bam

1342
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:55,239
on offense now is just I don't know, as good

1343
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:57,440
or better than Jaron Jackson, certainly better than the version

1344
01:04:57,440 --> 01:04:59,360
of Jackson that's played this year so far, but who

1345
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:01,679
knows what to make that Jalen Brown is, so I

1346
01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:03,159
think I feel like a lot of people will be like, no,

1347
01:05:03,199 --> 01:05:06,400
it's Jalen Brown. He's a two way wing that's career

1348
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,880
high in efficiency in an alpha role. All of a

1349
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:10,599
sudden this year, how is it not him?

1350
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:13,199
Speaker 1: I think the contract makes you a little nervous. He

1351
01:05:13,239 --> 01:05:16,159
hasn't always been the healthiest, but I think he's more

1352
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:18,920
than thinking about it. He's the clear number two, right

1353
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,679
because Jared Jackson Junior might be a transformative defender, but

1354
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:25,079
the same problems we've always kind of that feels solvable,

1355
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:29,239
the rebounding, the foul trouble. Those are still the same

1356
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,960
problems we're talking about for the better part of a

1357
01:05:32,039 --> 01:05:36,000
decade at this point. So he might be I don't know.

1358
01:05:36,239 --> 01:05:38,119
I mean it's Jalen Brown has been the more reliably

1359
01:05:38,159 --> 01:05:41,440
available one too his contra. The only reason to pick

1360
01:05:42,239 --> 01:05:44,760
Jared Jackson Junior might be the contract, and now that

1361
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,280
he was renegotiating and extended. I don't think that argument

1362
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:48,920
is strong anyway, right.

1363
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:51,559
Speaker 2: And I think too you can use the reductive argument

1364
01:05:51,559 --> 01:05:54,719
of like finals MVP. I've seen Jalen Brown do it,

1365
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,599
so there's huge value there. Also, like I think what

1366
01:05:58,679 --> 01:06:01,519
he's done this year, now, who knows if this is

1367
01:06:01,519 --> 01:06:03,119
going to hold up. But there was a real question

1368
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:05,159
of like, so what's it look like if Jalen Brown

1369
01:06:05,239 --> 01:06:09,559
is your number one option? Offensively not bad is the answer? Like,

1370
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:12,760
I think the contract's a huge deal because that's it's

1371
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,960
just massive. But I think it's out of bio one,

1372
01:06:16,079 --> 01:06:17,800
Brown two, Jackson three.

1373
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:20,079
Speaker 1: I like everything we say. I think that's right.

1374
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 2: All right. I will now force you, with my help

1375
01:06:24,519 --> 01:06:29,920
again to rank the trade value of Yannis, Anthony Edwards,

1376
01:06:30,239 --> 01:06:31,199
and Cooper flag.

1377
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:38,519
Speaker 1: This one feels impossible because Giannis is three distinct phases

1378
01:06:38,519 --> 01:06:41,800
of career that we got to figure out. I think

1379
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,920
I think Cooper Flag is number one. You have to

1380
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,159
roll the dice on being and even because his rookie

1381
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:51,320
year in Dallas, they've done everything they can to sabotage him,

1382
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:55,400
and you know that the defense of the vision of

1383
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:57,960
him defensively is going to work. What you might not

1384
01:06:58,039 --> 01:06:59,639
feel great about is what would he do if he

1385
01:06:59,719 --> 01:07:02,960
was the primary ball handler? As Jiannis has shown throughout

1386
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,039
his career, is that you don't. You can win MVPs

1387
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:09,480
without being the primary ball handler. Jannis feels safest. But

1388
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,719
the age I'm giving up more to roll the dice

1389
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:15,079
on Cooper Flag than for Yannis me is that dumb.

1390
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,039
Speaker 2: I'm having a really hard time here. So here's how

1391
01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:23,039
I would try to answer the question. The Mavericks call

1392
01:07:23,159 --> 01:07:26,239
the Wolves and say we will give you salaries don't exist.

1393
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:30,000
You can have Cooper Flag give us Anthony Edwards. I

1394
01:07:30,079 --> 01:07:34,039
think Minnesota says no. I think Minnesota says, we what

1395
01:07:34,039 --> 01:07:36,800
do you? We can't we have? It's Anthony Edwards like

1396
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:40,079
you can't what else are you offering?

1397
01:07:40,719 --> 01:07:41,400
Speaker 1: I don't you.

1398
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 2: Imagine that's how it goes.

1399
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: I could see that, Well, let's work our way backwards.

1400
01:07:45,519 --> 01:07:49,039
Then Jannis is probably at three strictly because of the age,

1401
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:50,360
And I don't know the.

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01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 2: That's the thing these guys that this is such an

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01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:58,719
apples to oranges, to pairs like comparison. These guys are

1404
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:01,519
it would this is it's a cop out. We will

1405
01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:04,000
rank them, but like, it depends on what stage of

1406
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:06,920
your team, what stage of the evolution of your team

1407
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,360
you're at, Cause if you're like, we gotta win immediately,

1408
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:13,119
then it well, okay, Yannis, right, And then if it's

1409
01:08:13,159 --> 01:08:15,280
like we're kind of trying to split the difference, it's Edwards.

1410
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:16,920
And if it's we'd like to be good in twenty

1411
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:20,000
thirty one, it might still be Edwards, but it's more

1412
01:08:20,079 --> 01:08:25,199
likely going to be Flag. So I why isn't it

1413
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:29,760
just Jannie's number one, and then it's Edwards and then

1414
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,600
it's Flag. Why isn't it just the the quality of

1415
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:34,600
the player today?

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01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:38,159
Speaker 1: If you're because you're trying to you're trying to scale forward,

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01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:40,800
But the way that you're framing it now makes me

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01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:44,399
think you should go. When we're talking about a multi

1419
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:48,359
time MVP who can still be the best over thirty though,

1420
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,680
I hate to frame it through that. Okay, do you

1421
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:55,079
feel more comfortable giving up right now four first round

1422
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:57,439
picks and three swaps for Giannis or Cooper Flag? What

1423
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:58,479
makes you more comfortable?

1424
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 2: Uh? Man, I wish I'd seen more than like fifteen

1425
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:08,479
games of Cooper Flag is my answer to that. So

1426
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,920
maybe here's where I'm leaning. Why isn't it Why how

1427
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:14,359
about Edwards is number one? Because you get a little

1428
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:17,079
bit of the difference, right, Because honest, I agree, like

1429
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:19,720
your time horizon with the honest is just too short.

1430
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:21,760
I think to give up like the god just the

1431
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:24,279
massive package of picks and players.

1432
01:09:25,159 --> 01:09:27,079
Speaker 1: And I do think you're right if you just put

1433
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:30,079
Anthony Edwards, Like if you put Anthony Edwards and Giannis

1434
01:09:30,079 --> 01:09:32,760
Attenta Koompo on the open market at the same time.

1435
01:09:33,239 --> 01:09:35,880
I wonder if Anthony Edwards is gonna like that's the

1436
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,439
the Timberwolves are getting the call first.

1437
01:09:38,239 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 2: I think so. I think so because you could imagine

1438
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,279
the next five years you don't have Jianness declining was

1439
01:09:44,279 --> 01:09:47,359
a concern coming into this year, and with Edwards is

1440
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:50,520
like that's ridiculous. He's still getting better and like Giannis

1441
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:52,520
is a better player now, but it's like the difference

1442
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,920
between the third fourth best player in the league and

1443
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,720
the eighth or whatever. I think Edwards is won. I

1444
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,800
think Edwards has the highest tree val flag.

1445
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,840
Speaker 1: I just don't know what to do with I'm putting

1446
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,840
him to. Okay, well, I think it's Giannis is the

1447
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:12,119
safe bet at one even, but I'll go Edwards flag Jannis.

1448
01:10:12,199 --> 01:10:14,159
I'm going to invest more in the guy that I

1449
01:10:14,159 --> 01:10:17,039
think might be around for the next fifteen years. That's

1450
01:10:17,079 --> 01:10:18,479
just what I feel more comfortable doing.

1451
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:21,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to get out of this one, so

1452
01:10:21,279 --> 01:10:23,119
I'm gonna agree with you because this is too hard.

1453
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:29,279
Speaker 1: Okay, Trade value rankings Jared Allen, Rudy Gobert, Domontes Sabonis.

1454
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:37,239
Speaker 2: Boy, these feel pretty close. I kind of feel like

1455
01:10:37,439 --> 01:10:41,239
Alan what I wish I could remember his contract. It's

1456
01:10:41,239 --> 01:10:45,439
not the super cheap one. I think both. I think

1457
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,159
Sabonis has three years left.

1458
01:10:48,399 --> 01:10:51,279
Speaker 1: So Jared Allen's going to start a three year extension

1459
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:52,680
after this season.

1460
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:54,199
Speaker 2: At what per year? Thirty?

1461
01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:55,159
Speaker 1: He's in the thirties.

1462
01:10:57,159 --> 01:11:01,640
Speaker 2: Man, is it Rudy Gobert because his contract is the shortest,

1463
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:03,680
Because didn't they I don't.

1464
01:11:04,239 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 1: I would say it's absolutely not Rudy Gobert.

1465
01:11:07,239 --> 01:11:09,279
Speaker 2: Who do you feel good? Well, you're gonna have to

1466
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:11,159
help him the collaborative side this because.

1467
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:15,600
Speaker 1: I just Jared Allen's probably the clear number one for me,

1468
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,760
and it's so he starts that so he's even under

1469
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,399
thirty Yeah, I mean signing the contract is three years

1470
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:26,159
and ninety million that starts next year. That's under eighteen

1471
01:11:26,199 --> 01:11:28,800
percent of the salary cap. Okay, I'm gonna go Jared Allen.

1472
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:31,319
Speaker 2: It's because of that, because I think most people would

1473
01:11:31,319 --> 01:11:32,880
look at this list and say Jared Allen is the

1474
01:11:32,880 --> 01:11:33,880
third best player on it.

1475
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,279
Speaker 1: Maybe okay, but he is. He seems easier to fit

1476
01:11:37,279 --> 01:11:40,199
in anywhere. Jamanti Suportis is the best player on this list.

1477
01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:43,319
I think not the season so far. The issue for

1478
01:11:43,399 --> 01:11:46,840
me is so Jared Allen has better hands than Rudy

1479
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:50,359
Gobert and not the same defender, but probably a little

1480
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,920
more versatile. Rudy is still during his minutes can kind

1481
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:56,640
of be the defense under himself, but you're not. You're

1482
01:11:56,640 --> 01:11:58,680
giving something away on each end of the floor with

1483
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:02,359
Gobert and some bonus go Bear offensively, sabonus defensively. You're

1484
01:12:02,399 --> 01:12:05,199
not giving too much away with Allen unless the floor

1485
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:07,520
spacing element, but the screening is vertical spacing.

1486
01:12:08,119 --> 01:12:10,520
Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, I have it. I think I agree with you.

1487
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,000
Allan is the number one in value. I think it's

1488
01:12:13,039 --> 01:12:16,880
Gobert t Sabonis three, and I think that's because of

1489
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:21,439
what Gobert can be the defense. Unto himself. Sabonis has

1490
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:24,119
been part of very good offenses, but like the defense

1491
01:12:24,199 --> 01:12:26,720
just isn't there, and you don't know what you've got

1492
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:30,439
to build. Kind of creatively, I think around Sabonis on

1493
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:32,760
offense and then certainly on defense.

1494
01:12:34,199 --> 01:12:36,079
Speaker 1: That might be. I think I might put sabonus at

1495
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:38,439
two and go Bear at three. In fact, it's age

1496
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:41,279
and then I just value someone who can drive your

1497
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,520
entire offense more than I drive someone who can drive

1498
01:12:43,560 --> 01:12:44,520
your entire defense.

1499
01:12:45,039 --> 01:12:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah. Me, I it's close. I think I think where

1500
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:50,880
we do? I think Allen is one. I think that's

1501
01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:53,840
I think we've kind of officially landed there. I just

1502
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,520
don't know, man, I think I still have Sabonis third.

1503
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,119
The durability until.

1504
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,880
Speaker 1: This year was a pretty big you're a bonus hater.

1505
01:13:00,399 --> 01:13:01,199
Speaker 2: I'm shocked.

1506
01:13:01,479 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: I'm shocked. I'm shocked.

1507
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:09,119
Speaker 2: All Right, we have one more here, another former former King,

1508
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:14,039
Diaron Fox, Laurie Markinen, and Austin Reeves. Who has the

1509
01:13:14,119 --> 01:13:15,279
highest trade value here?

1510
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:19,319
Speaker 1: So maybe I'm galaxy braining this, but we don't know

1511
01:13:19,359 --> 01:13:23,399
what reeves Is next contract is gonna be, if he's

1512
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:25,800
gonna be on a Max, which I'm just gonna assume, Okay,

1513
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,359
he's on a Max. I'm I think I'm taking de

1514
01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:32,239
Aaron Fox one here. He's looked pretty good this Season's

1515
01:13:32,319 --> 01:13:35,239
is coming back from injury with the Spurs. He's the

1516
01:13:35,279 --> 01:13:38,720
better defender. Austin Reeves is probably I mean, who's the

1517
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:41,000
better shot maker? I know Reeves can do more things

1518
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:43,960
away from the ball. He does the relocate stuff really well.

1519
01:13:44,399 --> 01:13:46,119
I'm gonna go with Daron Fox at one. I think

1520
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,199
he's the of this bunch that we named. Isn't he

1521
01:13:48,279 --> 01:13:51,840
the most bankable star? Reeves is what into his second

1522
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,920
season as being the kind of it guy.

1523
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think partly because of the

1524
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:04,800
sally and because he's a complimentary guy for sure. Marketing

1525
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,159
is probably third, right, So we can start at the

1526
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:08,560
end with with that.

1527
01:14:09,079 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 1: He's three, but this season he's having is that there's

1528
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,680
a case for him to be two. He can't be one,

1529
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:15,239
but two for sure.

1530
01:14:15,199 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 2: Like, what's he look like? Yeah? What is market in?

1531
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:22,039
What does this version of marketing look like? With average

1532
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,079
you know, shot creation and supporting offensive players.

1533
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:29,159
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. He has less than average offensive creation

1534
01:14:29,279 --> 01:14:31,479
and shop making around him now, and that's what he looks.

1535
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. So is he definitely won if

1536
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,479
if if the supporting cast is better, I don't know.

1537
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,520
Speaker 1: I think that I value from scratch things a little

1538
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,520
bit more, and so that's why I would lean Fox there.

1539
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,680
Speaker 2: No, I agree, I think I think I think market

1540
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:47,119
is three Fox and Reeves is a lot closer than

1541
01:14:47,119 --> 01:14:49,880
I would have thought. Reeves is a more efficient play

1542
01:14:50,039 --> 01:14:53,000
Reeves has more off ball value I think is fairly

1543
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:56,520
well established. Right Like I think you're as a defense,

1544
01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:59,920
you're more worried about him being left open. Fox Is

1545
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:01,840
track record is just longer though.

1546
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 1: Reeves is probably the better passer out of pick and rolls, right.

1547
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,279
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, and he's like just more creative. There's more

1548
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,000
he could do more, there's more variety in what Reeves does.

1549
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:17,640
I think on the ball, this isn't easy. And you

1550
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:20,159
worry about Fox as a guy that has depended on

1551
01:15:20,199 --> 01:15:24,000
speed and athleticism, and what happens right when that goes

1552
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:28,479
man Reeves though counter Reeves doesn't have a step to

1553
01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,640
lose athletically, but he's he might be more skilled. It's

1554
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,159
kind of tied into like these more variety as like

1555
01:15:34,199 --> 01:15:35,960
as he splits a pick and roll, like what happens?

1556
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,159
I don't know. Reeves will just like do whatever the

1557
01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:39,399
situation calls for.

1558
01:15:40,279 --> 01:15:41,880
Speaker 1: Did you just sell me on Reeves at one?

1559
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:46,000
Speaker 2: I'm trying to sell myself. I think I think we

1560
01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:48,359
have to honor the just the body of work and

1561
01:15:48,479 --> 01:15:52,279
say Fox is won. But if Reeves tell me this,

1562
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:55,840
if Reeves is not maxed out, if Reeves is making

1563
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:01,119
thirty to thirty five a year, it's it's probably right him.

1564
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:05,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's him, and that's wow. So Fox one, Reeves two,

1565
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:08,319
market In three. I think So these were good. I

1566
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:10,319
feel terrible about myself. Are you ready to take us

1567
01:16:10,319 --> 01:16:10,720
out of here?

1568
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:14,319
Speaker 2: You know what we collaborated on these, and when we

1569
01:16:14,359 --> 01:16:17,239
are collaborating and feeling terrible about ourselves. Thanks everybody for listening,

1570
01:16:17,239 --> 01:16:20,159
for watching, Remember to rate, review, subscribe, Joiner discordananks for

1571
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:23,439
that and they do YouTube and podcast description. Please let

1572
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,239
us know how you would order, especially these trade values

1573
01:16:26,520 --> 01:16:28,159
and weigh in on any of the other stat adding

1574
01:16:28,159 --> 01:16:30,760
stuff we did. Because I feel like this is all

1575
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,760
pretty ripe for discussion in the comments. That's going to

1576
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,119
do it shouts Franklin Kin and apologies, Jared Allen