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Enjoy your exploration. Dude, congratulations on this book, because I mean,

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you're really playing my fiddle when when you do something

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about Princess died, this is right here. She is the

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Queen of empathy still to this day inside my heart,

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you know.

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Speaker 2: And that's where it's from. I've spoken to you about

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these books and now listen, illustrated kids books right for

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little kids to give my own kids. I started them

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to give them better heroes to look up to, right

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to give them heroes who warn't famous on Instagram or

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have a million followers, Like that's not a hero. That's

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someone who's amos and being a hero is more important.

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In the beginning, we started with I'm Amelia Earhart, I

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am Abraham Lincoln, I am Rosa Parks, And that's obvious.

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You know those are the obvious choices, right, That's who

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people would pick if you said pick the best heroes.

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You you know, Doctor King and Albert Einstein. But then

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when you're thirty books into the series, you start going, well,

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who do our kids need these days? And when I

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started looking around, I said, wait a minute, we need

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to teach our kids about empathy, and how do we

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teach empathy? And that's where we did. I am Princess Diana.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I could probably do fifty sixty pages

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of all the things that she did that. I sat

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there and just got closer and closer and closer, and

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I think, I think, and I would love to know

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what yours is mine was was the dedication and loyalty

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she put in the in the minds that were still

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in the ground, and she went to these countries looking

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for these minds that could have easily blown up.

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Speaker 2: We, off course, we put that in the book as

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you saw. I mean, you know that was in fact

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how in the book is It's one of her great moments.

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And you know what I love about Princess Diana is

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that empathy doesn't just start when she's an adult. You know,

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one of the things we do in the ordinary people

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change the world. Books is we always show you the

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hero when they're a kid. So they're drawing like kids.

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They look like kids that you know they look like.

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The reason kids love our books is because it's like

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a Chris Elliopolis. The artist draws each year. He has

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a style. It's like Charlie Brown meets Calvin and Hobbes.

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They're just lovable. And when you see Diana when she's

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a young girl, she's got this rough life. You know,

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like her parents get divorced. It's a really wealthy family.

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Everyone's like, you know, you grow up at you're rich

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and you have a fairy tale life. But her family

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didn't need dinner together. Her brother would he would, and

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her would he with the nanny and the nursery. Her

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parents never hugged her, never said they loved her, and

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you know, gets divorced and leave her feeling alone. But

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what she has is this grandmother. And her grandmother sweet

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and kind and used to visit the people in her

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town who were sick or they needed something that they

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couldn't afford. And Diana sees that and everyone tells you,

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you look like your grandmother. And that's where Diana gets

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it from is she gets that empathy by needing it herself.

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When she's little, she needs someone to love her, and

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that's obviously why we start showing and we can talk

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about all the other different things she does from there,

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but that's where it comes from.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you one of the things that you

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inspired me to do, and I'm sure it's gonna be

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other readers as well, is that you brought me to

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the question of do I tell my dog or my

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family do I tell them I love them too much?

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Because I didn't have that either growing up, and it

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was like, do I say that too much? In fact,

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the story that I that I did today on iHeartRadio

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was based on do we tell our dogs we love

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them too much? And the answer is yes? And I went, WHOA,

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how can this be possible? And they said, because you

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can say words, Now put something with it and give

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me an activation. Princess Di activated it. She didn't just

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say it and that got it from your book, dude.

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Speaker 2: No, I love that. I mean that, and listen, that's

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what she had to do, right. She when she's in school,

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she's not a great student. She actually does poorly, but

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every Tuesday and Thursday as a kid, they would go

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and everyone when the doors would open, all these like

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sick old people would kind of roll on their wheelchairs

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tall the kids, and the kids are freaking out. It looks,

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you know, it feels like a zombie movie. And they

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used to like the kids would push the you know,

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the wheelchairs from behind, and instead she would meet people

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where they were. She'd go when there was a dance,

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instead of pushing the wheelchair from behind, she would go

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around to the front. So would you like to dance together?

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And again that's before she meets Charles, And yeah, she

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meets them and they get married and have the big

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wedding and all that. But you have to understand that

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when she takes becomes royalty. Royalty back then they'd have

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royal activities, right. They would like go out and you'd

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wave to the crowd and the crowd would wave back,

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and then your work was done. And they look around

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and they're like, where's Diana. And they see that she's

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reached down and she's hugging some kid and they're like,

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what's she doing with it? And they're like, she's hugging it, sir,

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did that back then. That wasn't all over the world.

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He moved through the crowds, and you know, then she

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sees like people doing charity work. She's in a hospital

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and she sees this guy with his dying wife holding

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his wife's hand. So she goes over and puts his

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hand on, you know, her hand on this guy, and

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just says, I'm going to sit with you. And she

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realizes when she does these visits that where she sees suffering,

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that's where she wants to be. That's where she finally

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felt good about herself. And my god, what a lesson

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to teach your kids to take care of other people

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like that.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's if she wanted to hug those that everybody

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else ran away from. She was always just present in

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their life. Make them feel like you're one of us.

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I'm not judging you, you're one of us. You're just

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as great and beautiful, just like one of us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and let's talk about that because that's such a

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vital part. It's one thing to hug a little kid.

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more comfortable here, she starts hugging people than no one,

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like you said, would hug my brother, right, Like, so

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she sees people with leprosy, right, And I remember growing

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up as a kid being like leprosy would just scared

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the hell out of me, Right, what is that? And

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she would go and hug people who had leprosy, she'd

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hug people who were homeless, she'd go and see people

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who are addicted to drugs. And then let's see camp,

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you know, the most important part, arguably his aides.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna bring that up. Oh my god,

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I was just gonna bring that up. That's so cool,

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you would bring that.

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Speaker 2: Up, right, and like that's you know, so age. We

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all know now, like thank god they have things and

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treatments and think, but not then. And I remember back then,

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people were terrified. They didn't know if you if you

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hug someone with age, you're gonna get sick if they

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call on you to get AIDS. Like no one even

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knew in the beginning how you get AIDS. And she's

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not wearing any gloves and she's shaking people's hands. And

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there's this one visit we include in the book, and

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again it's a kid's book, but she says, you know,

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during this one visit to see an AIDS patient, she

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sees this man start crying when she holds his hands,

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and she wants to hug them to make them feel better.

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But she doesn't know what to do. No one knows

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what to do. And she tells herself, just do it,

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just just hug him, and so she reaches out. She

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squeezes this man tight. He squeezes her back, laughing with joy,

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and she realizes it's amazing what a hug can do.

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And hundreds of you know, first hundreds and then thousands

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and millions of people see her do this. She goes

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around with first Lady Barbara Bush at the time, who

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full credit to her, starts doing it like and that's

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where people start saying, oh, these aren't lepers, these aren't

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people we should forget about. But they're human beans. And

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it takes it takes Princess Diana to say, man, we

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got to start treating him like that.

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Brad Meltzer coming

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up next. The name of the book. I am Princess Diana.

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We are back with Brad Meltzer. I am a firm

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believer that this book served as a huge reminder in

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my heart. Why that I will walk with with a

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blind man through a grocery store and help them shop. Why,

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I'll you know, if there's somebody that is mentally challenged,

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then I will sit there and I will talk with

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them like they are like you and I and and

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and then their carekeeper looks at me like I'm strange.

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I'm going no, no, no, no, no, do not do

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what you're what, don't don't undo what we're doing right now,

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because this man, this lady is really getting into being

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recognized as a human being.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's the you know, that's the key thing

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is is not just you know, like you said, saying it,

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but doing it. Yes, And what I what I love.

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you have She has these two boys, and what she

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starts doing is taking them to serve with her. But

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here's the part that I didn't know, even though when

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I was researching the book that I found out, I

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never knew this part of the story is she used

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to go to homeless shelters to feed the poor, but

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she didn't bring the cameras. She didn't want her kids

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to see. You know, like that there was a performance

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art of some sort or some performative action, you know,

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when she would tell them like, you know, not having

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a home doesn't make you different than anyone else. And

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also the most important lesson that the best good deeds

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are never seen by anyone, but they're never forgotten. And now, man,

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that's what I Am Princess Diana is all about, is

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leading with your heart and showing people that rather than

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just talking about it, rather than just making it performative.

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And I want my daughter to have that lesson. I

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want my sons to have that lesson. I want them

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to learn empathy. And I am Princess Diana as a

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kid's book. That's what it's designed to do, is teach

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that empathy.

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Speaker 1: What I love about it is that it's coming at

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such a perfect time because it may not happen in

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your in my lifetime, but our kids and our grandchildren

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it's gonna happen in their lifetime. This is William's mom

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that you're talking about. And see and King William when

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he gets that job, everybody's gonna go, WHOA, who was

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his mom? Guess who wrote about it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? No, And I love that. And listen let's just

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talk for a moment about about the just because I

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don't want to let I can't. It will be a

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shamed town to talk about. But what you're talking about

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the land mines, yes, is this is after she gets divorced.

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She doesn't have to do anything anymore. She's not the

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royal anything. It's all dumb. And she finds out in Angola,

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Africa that there are seven kids who've been killed by

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land mines. All right. The soldiers had dug them buried

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him during the war, and the kids were playing soccer

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in a field that should have been clear to minds,

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but the minds were still there. And they basically have

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an event for her there and they're like, listen, we

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should cancel the event and she's like, no, I'm not canceling.

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We need to make sure this won't happen to anyone else.

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and they put body armor on her, give her advisor

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and she's like, if I go, then the world will

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see what's happening. So the minefield at that point is

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they and some people said it was dangerous, and she's like,

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and all these people and all these most important leaders

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stop using minds that can hurt innocent people. And you know,

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it goes like this, like and this is what it

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hard or even scary to see someone suffering, and sometimes

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you want to turn away, but don't turn away. Offer

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a smile, a hand, or even a hug. And when

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you do, it'll be your crowning achievement. And man, I

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love the fact that I get to give that to kids.

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I love the fact that they get to take these

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books and find this story and find that lesson.

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Speaker 1: She's the one that taught me the mantra of if

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people aren't happy to see me, they're happy that I

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see them. And I took from that and I believe

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that so heartedly. It's like, don't don't make them think

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that they're coming to see you. I'm coming to see them.

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Speaker 2: I love that idea. I'm going to steal that. That's

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a beautiful idea. Yeah, no, it's and listen. The final

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pages of the book literally say this is what I'm

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going to you know, from I'm Princess Anna. It says,

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it's your turn now. The world needs more kindness, and

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it certainly needs more empathy. Compassion is a sign of strength.

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Every person you meet is going through something that you

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can't see. You won't be able to solve every problem,

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but when you open your arms and listen with love,

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you can make sure no one feels alone and says,

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I am Princess Diana. I lead from the heart.

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Speaker 1: Your dedication doesn't your dedication also kind of symbolize that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about that. I love you for noticing that.

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done again. This is a book I think thirty six

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in the series. So I've dedicated a lot of books

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to a lot of people, but this one I dedicated

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to my mother and my daughter because they're strong women

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who are unapologetically themselves. That's what Princess Dinna is to me,

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know my daughter in her in her college dorm room

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had a Diana poster. And I'll tell you something, my

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daughter now loves Prince Anna so much that at the

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end of the book. I always I'm hidden in every book.

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Chris always draws me like as a hidden cartoon character,

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like it's like Baldwere's Waldo in every book. But he

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also puts my three kids in there. And you can

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see if you flip through and flip back a couple

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of pages in the big crowd shot, you'll see these

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three kids. And always puts one of my kids in

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a forty two jersey because he loves Jackie Robinson. And

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in this book, I said, draw my daughter make a

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wearing the black dress that she loves so much, and

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she's wearing Princess Diana's dress. And I just I want

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my daughter to know that you should only just be

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unapologetically yourself. That's Diana's great superpower. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Now, let me ask this question about the card or

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maybe I might be wrong on this. Did I see

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a card that people can add to their personal lives

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and share those cards forward?

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Speaker 2: Share which cards? Well?

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Speaker 1: I okay, then I am reading the pictures wrong then,

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because I swear it was like a greeting card of

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some sort and I and I took it as, oh,

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it's a Princess for the Day card, and it's and

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and it's and it's it's it's Princess di as a

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young child, but it's it's it's. I took it that

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your marketing cards to go with the book.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, I think they just said they

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must have sent you a nice picture of it. No, yeah,

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we just uh, we we've made Oh you're talking about

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my social media.

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Speaker 1: Everywhere that I went to find out about this book

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because you could.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's like every time that I thought I had enough,

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I wanted more. That's that's the thing about this book

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is that you make us do you create action and reaction,

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but you always do with your books.

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Speaker 2: No, I appreciate it. And listen, I love doing these books.

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You know that. And let's talk about for a moment.

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The next book we're doing is going to be again.

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I was like, what else do kids need? So we

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saw that kids needed, you know, I was like, mental

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health issues are huge. Now we did I am Simone Biles.

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I wanted to show America's just split in two right now.

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I was like, how do we teach people to come together,

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that there's strength and being together, that we bring different

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strengths to each thing. We did, we are the Beatles

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right like. But the next one that we're doing, which

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is coming out in a couple of months, is we're

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doing I Am Teddy Roosevelt because I really wanted Teddy Roosevelt,

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one of my favorite presidents of all time, and I

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wanted to show the kids what real leadership looks like

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and what Teddy Roosevelt. When he was little, his dad

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said to him, Listen, we have lots of money, but

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that doesn't make you great, like it doesn't make you powerful.

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Even what it does, it gives you a responsibility, is

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what his father told him. And you have to take

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care of other people, especially those who don't take care

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of themselves and can't. So see those orphans, whould tell

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Teddy Rossel, we got to take care of them and

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get them off the street. You see these people who

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are being treated badly in factories, fight for them. You

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see these giant waterfalls and these beautiful dams, and you know,

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things like this that people want to want to plow

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over so they can open a factory. No, we have

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to take care and have a responsibility to help our environment.

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was like, we need to protect these for the next generation.

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And I love the fact that we get to use

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the IM books, whether it's IM Princess Diana, I am,

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Teddy Roosevelt, or anyone we've spoken about today. I love

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the fact that we get to give these kids and

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people use our books to build libraries of real heroes

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for their kids and their grandkids, their nieces and nephews.

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Speaker 1: One of these days, you've got to do a video

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of the process of the entire thing and somehow some

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ways share it with those that have stood beside you

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the entire way, because it would be so interesting to

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see your process in the way of inspiring a next

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generation of writers as well as illustrators.

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Speaker 2: Well, I love you saying that you know we get

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I can't tell you how often we get a boy.

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We have all these kids who are writing, they write

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the next hero for us. So I have a whole

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stack on my desk. Got to you know that our

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books that kids have written, and they've written Iron Ruthy Bridges,

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they've written Iron Brad Meltzer, they've written I Am you

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name the hero, and they're all like clearly gunning for

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our jobs. I said, Chris and I are. Really we

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got to worry now. But I love the fact that

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kids have realized that they have the power to tell

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these stories. And you know, the books have now been around,

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I think almost twelve years, and it's the first time

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when I went to speak at colleges people came up

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to me and said, oh, I grew up on those books. Yep.

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And that's the thing, Because here's the thing. I can't

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change the minds of adults. It's too hard. But for

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the past over a decade now, I've been arming a

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generation of young kids with lessons of compassion and kindness

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and how to be a good person. And I will

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take that fight any day. So I love that the

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iambooks that the ordinary People Change the World books have

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had that impact on some of those kids out there.

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Speaker 1: Wow, where can people go to find out more about

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everything that you're doing? This isn't just one book, like

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you said, this is your this is a catalog. When

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they talked about Prince having a catalog or Michael Jackson

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having a catalog, You've got a catalog.

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Speaker 2: You're a sweetheart. Yeah. And you can buy them at Amazon.

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You can buy them at your local independent bookstore. You

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can buy them at at bookshop dot org. You can

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buy them anywhere books are sold. The imbooks are there

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and you all recognize them because you'll see the sit

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in that same artwork, that beautiful, colorful artwork. And I

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love the fact that so many people, you know, you

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can even subscribe to them on our website. You go

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to Ordinary People, Change the World dot com. You can

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have a book every month's ship to kid in your life,

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and every month they'll get a new hero. And I'll

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keep going in and we give all the profits. It

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always runs through an independent bookstore by us. But again

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you can go on Amazon or anywhere else and find

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all the books.

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Speaker 1: I love what you're doing with your art. You are

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you are working it the way that it's meant to be,

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and that is to move people.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you, brother, listen, and the same thing with you,

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I mean, you know you and I. You you've had

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me on the show for and we've spoken about the

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thrillers like The Viper, about the nonfiction books that I've done,

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about the kids books and whatever genre I'm in. You

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and I are speaking, and so I don't get to

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do these kids books without you being there for the

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first one. So thank you for unlocking to me, you know,

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and not just with me, but with all your guests,

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for your listeners. The most valuable thing in the world,

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which is powerful as ideas. That's what you put in

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the world and ideas, and every time you do a show,

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you you unlock those kinds of ideas and I love

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you for it.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Well, we've got to be back together again in

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two months when that next book comes out. We've got

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to continue this because this is a journey that just

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opens up imaginations. Thank you, brother, Will you'd be brilliant today. Okay,

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mister Brad, thank you, sir.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate it. Can't wait