WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:07.320 Well whiskey, come and take my pain, the moneys my ry. 2 00:00:10.000 --> 00:00:12.400 Why think alone when you can drink it all in 3 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:17.440 with Ricochet's three whiskey happy Hour. Join your bartenders, Steve Hayward, 4 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:25.679 John You, and the international woman of mystery, Lucretia. Where 5 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:28.320 the lapped it up? It live? It ain't you easy 6 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:35.880 on the should tap? Gotta give me from Tokyo three 7 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:39.200 whiskey son, I am sitting here in Tokyo. Where are 8 00:00:39.200 --> 00:00:41.320 you guys? John? Are you in Philadelphia? I think. 9 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:46.200 All I know is wherever the other Japanese are, whose 10 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.600 eyes are rolling and stomach's turning at you calling a 11 00:00:49.679 --> 00:00:56.280 three whiskey sogn My gosh, doesn't that mean you're gonna 12 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:59.159 for your sins? You're gonna have to do ten land 13 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:01.399 acknowledgements right. 14 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:05.879 Pardon my cough. I'm still finding off the after effects 15 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:08.359 of a nasty bronchitis I seem to have brought back 16 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:11.519 from Italy. But Lucretia, where are you hiding? You're hiding 17 00:01:11.560 --> 00:01:11.840 at home? 18 00:01:12.000 --> 00:01:13.319 I'm home. I'm home. 19 00:01:13.439 --> 00:01:16.640 And by the way, it's really hot here, hotter than way, 20 00:01:16.719 --> 00:01:19.200 harder than usual, almost one hundred degrees in my little 21 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:20.000 mountain town. 22 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.239 And that is amazing. 23 00:01:22.840 --> 00:01:27.079 Yeah, I am drinking apperall sprits my son. 24 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:30.719 All right, all right, but it's almost gone because you 25 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:32.519 guys took so long. So what am I going to 26 00:01:32.599 --> 00:01:33.319 do when it runs out? 27 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:35.000 I guess I have to get whiskey from the bar 28 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:35.599 behind me. 29 00:01:36.319 --> 00:01:36.519 Yeah. 30 00:01:36.719 --> 00:01:40.359 Now I have to confess that I thought during several 31 00:01:40.439 --> 00:01:44.280 days over here, I would thoroughly investigate Japanese whiskeyes, especially 32 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:46.680 from sun Tory. What's that line of Bill Murray and 33 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:49.920 lost in translation? Is let it be a sun Tory day. 34 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:53.120 I've been trying to live right. Oh yeah, it's a 35 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:55.439 I feel like I'm living a reenact. Did you ever 36 00:01:55.480 --> 00:01:57.560 see that movie? It's thirty years old. It's a great 37 00:01:58.120 --> 00:01:58.680 It is a great. 38 00:01:58.719 --> 00:02:00.840 Really, I had a hard time with it. I was 39 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:01.680 a little bored by it. 40 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:02.879 Well, it doesn't have a plot. 41 00:02:02.920 --> 00:02:04.760 It's one of those in Japan. It makes sense. 42 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.400 Oh yeah, exactly, that makes total sense to me. Now 43 00:02:08.680 --> 00:02:11.919 I'll have to say we did venture out here yesterday 44 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:15.960 to the Shoebaya crossing. You know, that's the thing you 45 00:02:15.960 --> 00:02:18.000 always seen all the movies. Boy, that place is that area? 46 00:02:18.080 --> 00:02:20.360 Is that neighborhood is insane? I mean, it makes Hong 47 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:23.319 Kong look orderly and Scandinavian by comparison, I think. 48 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:27.159 Anyway, Well, now, Steve, Mike, but you ought to. I 49 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:31.680 expect to see you learning their cultural norms, like eating 50 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:36.879 chicken pieces under railroad tracks and then getting totally trashed 51 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.800 and falling asleep on the sidewalk like any Japanese ballary men. 52 00:02:41.840 --> 00:02:43.599 Oh, don't make me laugh, John, because I still got 53 00:02:43.639 --> 00:02:46.719 this cough bugging me. H. But all right, let's get 54 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:49.680 to it, John, You have some explaining to do. I 55 00:02:49.800 --> 00:02:54.120 think I saw the headline of this huge heist of 56 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:57.759 whiskey in broad daylight in Philadelphia, and I'm pretty sure 57 00:02:57.759 --> 00:02:59.240 it was a day you were there. Can you account 58 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:02.400 for your whereabout's last Friday when the whiskey hest went down? 59 00:03:03.280 --> 00:03:06.280 Whiskey ice? What in Philadelphia we just call that enterprise? 60 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:11.199 Probably whiskey heist? What are you talking about? So first 61 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:14.400 I looked this up, so U yeah, five hundred thousand 62 00:03:14.479 --> 00:03:17.919 dollars of bourbon stolen. What did these people do? They 63 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.639 showed up in a delivery truck and they said, we're 64 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:23.240 here to pick up the whiskey, and the people in 65 00:03:23.439 --> 00:03:25.759 the place gave it to them, and they drove off 66 00:03:27.400 --> 00:03:31.039 that really, that's not even stealing, that's just called education. 67 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:33.560 I mean, what are we talking about? And then I 68 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:36.520 looked up where this is in Philadelphia and any idiot 69 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:39.639 who would store half a million dollars of bourbon in 70 00:03:39.800 --> 00:03:42.919 that neighborhood that is one of the most more dangerous 71 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:46.120 neighborhoods in the city of Philadelphia. What were they thinking? 72 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:49.319 I mean, they were they this was this is a 73 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:53.879 learning experience for this company. And I'm sure now that 74 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:58.879 they're going to transfer their whiskey to Fort Chuoka, Arizona 75 00:03:59.039 --> 00:04:03.319 for safekeeping other places, you know, other safe places like 76 00:04:03.400 --> 00:04:06.639 the central coast of California, to keep their whiskey safe. 77 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:10.960 Well, the last two commanding generals up for what Chuka 78 00:04:11.039 --> 00:04:15.479 have both been big, big, big bourbon affiction audos. And 79 00:04:16.399 --> 00:04:21.480 my one friend who's now retiring, former G two of 80 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:26.560 the Army has pardon me, Steve's making me cough, has 81 00:04:26.879 --> 00:04:29.240 something on the order of two hundred and fifty six 82 00:04:29.360 --> 00:04:30.319 bottles of bourbon. 83 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.600 He just collects them off. And so the other guy 84 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:36.560 just as more of a bourbon and cigar kind of 85 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:37.920 enjoy it sort of guy. 86 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:40.399 But so, yes, they could you could bring it here, 87 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:42.720 they would take very good care of it because all 88 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:45.000 of my other friends two hundred and fifty six some 89 00:04:45.160 --> 00:04:48.839 bottles are all really good stuff because people know he 90 00:04:48.959 --> 00:04:51.399 collects him and so they give him really good bottles. 91 00:04:51.480 --> 00:04:53.839 So yeah, it's probably his. His two hundred fifty six 92 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:57.319 bottles are probably worth more than five hundred thousand, so yeah, 93 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.839 I probably should. Well, he's not at Fort Wachuk anymore, 94 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:03.120 but it was so right, OK, we can bring it, 95 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:04.920 or we could take it to Fort Knox since there's 96 00:05:04.959 --> 00:05:05.560 no gold there. 97 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.240 We're back to that lucretia. I think you were started 98 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:11.399 to say. Let me put it this way that the 99 00:05:11.480 --> 00:05:15.040 people who stole the whiskey, unlike William Marbury, they had 100 00:05:15.079 --> 00:05:15.759 their paperwork. 101 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:18.879 They had paperwork. There was something missing. 102 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:19.680 I forget what it was. 103 00:05:19.920 --> 00:05:23.399 I got the joke, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a fake 104 00:05:24.319 --> 00:05:29.000 They had a fake invoice. Something was missing, something electronic 105 00:05:29.160 --> 00:05:31.519 was missing. But since they had the invoice, they just 106 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:34.120 let them take it. And it was basically a cybercrime. 107 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:34.759 Yeah. 108 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:37.759 So a cybercrime with a truck to go with it. 109 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:41.160 Pretty neat. Well all right, well, let's then let's move 110 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:44.720 on one more level of seriousness, but not completely to 111 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:46.360 the story in the Wall Street Journal. I think I 112 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:48.879 sent you guys that says suddenly the Supreme Court is 113 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:53.439 investigating the drinking habits of the founders. And I meant 114 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:55.959 to look up. But maybe you remember this genre or lucretia, 115 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:59.040 both of you. There's that great inventory of how much 116 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:02.759 whiskey and George Washington passed out to election workers in 117 00:06:02.800 --> 00:06:04.680 the election of seventeen ninety six or something. 118 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:06.399 And it was a britt John Marshall when he ran 119 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:09.279 for Congress, was that it well, no, no, no, no, 120 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:13.120 it happens. Yeah, same thing. And in the book you 121 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:16.120 don't like, or by the author you don't like, you know, 122 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:19.959 Jean Edwards, Jean Edward Smith, that's it. 123 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:20.360 Yeah. 124 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:23.000 He talks about how they all sat at a table 125 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:25.680 and as people came up, you know, if they look 126 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:27.279 like they were going to be for this candidate, they 127 00:06:27.319 --> 00:06:30.000 came over and had bourbon from them. And yeah, it 128 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.079 seemed like a great way to hold an election if 129 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:34.639 you ask me. At least you knew that when people 130 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:37.759 were voting, they were legitimately voting and they were supposed 131 00:06:37.800 --> 00:06:38.199 to be there. 132 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:40.600 Well, you know, this as an under marker of how 133 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:43.879 much American democracy has declined because about twenty thirty years back, 134 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:47.360 there was a big scandal in California when Republicans got 135 00:06:47.519 --> 00:06:51.240 caught giving out donuts to people who turned up to vote. 136 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:53.319 So it used to give out your pints of rum 137 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:55.360 and whiskey. And now you're in trouble if you give 138 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:56.319 out donuts. 139 00:06:57.199 --> 00:06:59.319 Why did they not mind when they gave out donuts 140 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:01.160 and people came to get their COVID shots? 141 00:07:02.920 --> 00:07:06.560 Well, right, So, but the serious point of the article, 142 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:08.279 And I don't know, John, if you're follower, you probably 143 00:07:08.319 --> 00:07:14.120 are at some level. I guess the vices of the Founders, 144 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:17.360 especially their consumption habits of alcohol, have a bearing on 145 00:07:17.480 --> 00:07:21.800 a current case about gun rights. Right, And does the 146 00:07:21.879 --> 00:07:25.959 Second Amendment protect the right of someone to have firearm 147 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:29.920 against statutes and ordinances that have been passed that try 148 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:31.920 to ban gun possession by people who have either a 149 00:07:31.959 --> 00:07:34.439 drug problem or a history of alcohol abuse something like that. 150 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:39.839 I don't know. I'll just say, well, first of all, 151 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:41.399 what's coming on the law of it. I'll just pass 152 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:43.879 on a quick story. I used to go out into 153 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:45.720 the high desert in California with a bunch of my 154 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:48.720 college friends for shooting parties. And you know, we had 155 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:51.279 you know pistol shooting, we do skeet shooting. And a 156 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.319 friend of mine had this old shack up in the mountains, 157 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:57.480 and well, we had a rule, and the rule was 158 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:00.399 the moment the first beer has opened, the guns are 159 00:08:00.439 --> 00:08:01.759 put away for the rest of the night. 160 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:03.399 We please. 161 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:06.920 Yeah, you probably didn't even take your cigars out there either. 162 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.040 You didn't invite the atf and all you did was 163 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:12.480 shoot with no alcohol. 164 00:08:13.399 --> 00:08:15.439 Well, look, a bunch of college guys, I think that 165 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:21.319 was probably a sensible rule, because yeahuse as it was. Anyway, 166 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:23.000 if you've known some of these guys, I think you 167 00:08:23.040 --> 00:08:25.639 would approve the rule anyway, John, are you following this 168 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:26.639 and what do you think? 169 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:27.160 Oh? 170 00:08:27.279 --> 00:08:30.439 Yeah, So it's it's part of this new test that 171 00:08:30.560 --> 00:08:35.480 the Court created about restrictions on the Second Amendment, which 172 00:08:35.559 --> 00:08:37.720 is you have to find, see Steve would do so 173 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:39.960 well at the court, you have to find a historical 174 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:44.759 analogy to the regulation of this challenge today. So the 175 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:49.240 case is about whether the federal government can take away 176 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:51.679 your right to have a gun if you have committed 177 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:58.840 a drug crime. And so the defender of this guy says, well, 178 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:03.759 having a gun now and having used drugs is kind 179 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:06.039 of like the way there were founders who drank a 180 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:09.720 lot and had guns, and so you couldn't be prohibited 181 00:09:09.759 --> 00:09:11.960 from having guns just because you drank a lot. And 182 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:14.399 that's kind of their version of drug use back two 183 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.519 hundred and almost fifty years ago. Now, so that's the 184 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:21.399 argument I got to see. I gotta say, I suspect 185 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:23.480 this court is not going to be persuaded by that. 186 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:26.879 I think they're the arguments done to begin with, not 187 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:30.480 the plaintiffs or whoever, the argument the defense. This is 188 00:09:30.559 --> 00:09:34.480 the one time I've disagreed with Clarence Thomas. I think 189 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:38.240 that this historical basis for the Second Amendment is the 190 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:43.000 dumbest argument ever, because, of course the basis for the 191 00:09:43.519 --> 00:09:46.039 for the Second Amendment, if you want to talk about 192 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:49.480 the history, it's that the colonists had weapons and could 193 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:52.360 fight against the damn British. So why do we need 194 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:54.600 to have the Second Amendment to guarantee that the people 195 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:57.039 have weapons so that they can fight against the tyrannical 196 00:09:57.080 --> 00:10:00.440 government should our government become tyrannical. That's the purpose of 197 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:03.919 the Second Amendment. It's and and so so everything should 198 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:06.519 be viewed through that lens, not through this Oh, what 199 00:10:06.679 --> 00:10:09.360 did they do in history, And did they let guys 200 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:11.960 that beat up their wives have guns in history? 201 00:10:12.039 --> 00:10:14.879 That's dumb. I'm sorry, I get why they do it. 202 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:20.240 I understand. What would the test be then, So if. 203 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:23.399 Somebody's a former drug addict, don't they have a right 204 00:10:23.519 --> 00:10:28.320 to uh revolt against their government if it becomes tyrannical? 205 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:33.799 Or do you give that right up? Once you've smoked 206 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:38.480 a joint or something. Isn't in fact a natural right 207 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:40.360 belonging to you as a human being. 208 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.159 So you could be any kind of felon and still 209 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:47.840 have the right to have a gun after Like you 210 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:51.039 could be a murderer who's released on after you serve 211 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:52.960 your sentence. But you would say they still have a 212 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:56.600 right to have a gun. Well, they could probably tyrannical 213 00:10:56.759 --> 00:10:57.600 central government. 214 00:10:59.000 --> 00:11:04.080 No, that's too easy, So I put them to death. 215 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:05.600 Problem solved, Yeah, I get it. 216 00:11:05.759 --> 00:11:11.039 Right, is the rule that all felonies were subject to 217 00:11:11.120 --> 00:11:14.240 the death penalty, which was the eighteenth century rule? 218 00:11:14.399 --> 00:11:16.759 Than you had a lot of fewer felonies then, right, 219 00:11:19.919 --> 00:11:20.679 I have no idea. 220 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.080 I mean, we only had what was it, John, We 221 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:25.159 only had something like flies. Yeah, yeah, we only had 222 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:28.320 like fifteen federal criminal statutes in the seventeen nineties. I 223 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:32.000 mean they were a long time yeah, yeah, right right, Well, 224 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:34.360 I have to say the article does the Wall Street 225 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:38.159 Journal oracle does give a more reasons to admire the Founders. 226 00:11:38.200 --> 00:11:41.639 It quotes Justice gorsic Uh in a recent interview saying 227 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:44.000 John Adams took a tankard of hard cider with his 228 00:11:44.120 --> 00:11:47.559 breakfast every day. James Madison reportedly drank a pint of 229 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:50.679 whiskey every day. Thomas Jefferson said he wasn't much of 230 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:53.080 a user of alcohol. He only had three or four 231 00:11:53.159 --> 00:11:56.279 glasses of wine a night. So more reasons to admire 232 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:58.120 the founders and against them. 233 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:00.879 But they all live to be old. Tell us crap 234 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:04.799 about alcohol is bad for you? Who believes that nonsense? 235 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:09.759 I mean, honestly, they all live to be old. I 236 00:12:09.799 --> 00:12:11.159 don't know if there are the ones. 237 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:12.840 Who the ones who we know were old, But what 238 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:15.519 about all the other ones who died young? Yeah? 239 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:17.279 Yeah, I know, yeah. 240 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:29.279 Expectancy back then was probably like eighteen, Like yeah, it 241 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:31.399 was probably like thirty five or something. 242 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:31.919 Which is fine. 243 00:12:32.000 --> 00:12:34.120 But it just proves that if you drink enough alcohol, 244 00:12:34.200 --> 00:12:37.360 you'll and you're a man, you'll outlive the life. 245 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:40.960 Expectancy for males in the eighteen hundred. 246 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:43.159 So well, now I'm going to throw a big sweeping 247 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.000 curve at Lucretia. I had mentioned that the Wall Street 248 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:49.120 Critical article says that the of the justices most skeptical 249 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:53.720 of historical analogies is Chief Justice Roberts, your favorite justice. 250 00:12:54.519 --> 00:12:59.399 But unfortunately for him, I don't think it's because he 251 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:04.799 thinks we should adopt the natural law view of understanding 252 00:13:04.879 --> 00:13:08.519 and interpreting the Constitution. It's because I do think, and 253 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:10.799 he's probably right about this, that he thinks it's just 254 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.639 a little bit too easy to manipulate what the history is, 255 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:18.440 because like Steve, you can find any historical analogy for anything, 256 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:19.799 however inept it might be. 257 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:23.840 And so I'm sure that that's Robert's approach to the 258 00:13:23.879 --> 00:13:24.279 whole thing. 259 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:26.240 All right, Well, that's fine. 260 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.679 Well, the problem is that the history and tradition tests 261 00:13:30.759 --> 00:13:34.480 or historical analogy tests, actually much more generous to the 262 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:38.039 right to bear arms than what Roberts would do or 263 00:13:38.159 --> 00:13:41.360 any of the modern tests. And I don't think you 264 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:47.120 could have a unlimited natural right approach to the Second Amendment, 265 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:49.200 because what do you do with Can you have guns 266 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:51.840 and government locations? Can you have guns if you've been 267 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:55.159 convicted all these things we don't know. I mean, but 268 00:13:55.240 --> 00:13:57.240 if you use the test that the court uses in 269 00:13:57.320 --> 00:13:59.879 other areas, you would actually have much more reduced gun right. 270 00:14:00.159 --> 00:14:03.000 And you know the court's current approach. 271 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:05.120 Well, right, And I you know, we used to have 272 00:14:05.200 --> 00:14:07.360 the old Western saloons that said you have to leave 273 00:14:07.399 --> 00:14:09.840 your guns outside or check them in, right, I mean 274 00:14:09.879 --> 00:14:12.039 that I don't think we was out of. 275 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:15.039 Well that's private property. You're allowed to do that. You're okay, 276 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:17.519 private property owner. You don't have to let anybody onto 277 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:20.200 your property with a gun if you don't want right, right. 278 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.639 All right, Well, the problem is, let me just let 279 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:25.399 one last comment on this, and that is that you've 280 00:14:25.519 --> 00:14:27.600 got a couple of different things going on there, and 281 00:14:27.720 --> 00:14:31.200 one of them is is that I acknowledge that the 282 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:34.919 Supreme Court cannot make too much of the right to 283 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:38.639 revolution and its relationship to the Second Amendment. They are, 284 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:44.080 in fact, you know, the bulwark of constitutionalism and the fault. 285 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:47.279 You know, as the Constitution is the foundation of our government. 286 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:51.799 And so I understand why even someone like Clarence Thomas, 287 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:55.320 who I think I think fully understands the full purpose 288 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:58.000 of the Second Amendment and it's the fact that it 289 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:03.240 is in fact the the the instrumentation of the right 290 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:06.039 to revolution. You got to be careful saying that out 291 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:08.840 loud in a Supreme Court case, and that that creates 292 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:12.039 a single a first a first problem. 293 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:13.519 And then of course you. 294 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:16.919 Can't have zero absolutely in this day and age with 295 00:15:17.639 --> 00:15:20.679 the complete lack of education. You know, just think about 296 00:15:20.759 --> 00:15:25.799 those those roaming bands of teenagers, you know, just going 297 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:30.120 in and destroying places and and and they're they're animals. 298 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:31.799 They're just sort of subhuman. 299 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:36.240 They haven't been taught anything, they haven't been educated, they 300 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:38.519 have no morals, they have no ethics, they don't know 301 00:15:38.559 --> 00:15:41.320 how to behave You can't really talk about Oh yeah, 302 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:44.120 they have a right to have a gun too. I mean, 303 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:47.360 that's so there are prudential considerations here. 304 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:51.519 You know, boy, that's uh at. I'm going to take 305 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:53.960 a great risk here, John and say, that's as close 306 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.879 to Burkinism as I've ever heard Lucretia express yourself. 307 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:04.759 In Japan. And Lucretia can't get at them stuff like 308 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:05.480 this right now. 309 00:16:06.159 --> 00:16:08.600 She probably has agents everywhere. All right, We're gonna take 310 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:10.399 a quick ad break and we'll be right back with 311 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:18.240 more after this. Hey everybody, it's Steve. I have a 312 00:16:18.320 --> 00:16:21.159 new podcast to recommend to you. It's called The Future 313 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:24.679 of Freedom Podcasts. 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And now back to the Three Whiskey happy 331 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:26.039 hour now, John, topic number two, You are practicing grand 332 00:17:26.079 --> 00:17:29.200 strategy without a license once again with your article on 333 00:17:29.359 --> 00:17:32.559 the Thucidities trap China. No oh no, it is a 334 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:34.880 good article, except well, we want to walk through this 335 00:17:34.960 --> 00:17:39.359 because first of all, yeah, I know you're teaching grand 336 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:42.039 strategy again, some aren't you, I think here and there? John, Yeah, 337 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:45.680 so okay, it's not quite without a license. But first 338 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.160 of all, tell listeners who may not heard of this, 339 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:50.960 what is the Thucidities tap and what's the context where 340 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:52.680 it comes up here in the last two three weeks. 341 00:17:54.039 --> 00:17:55.680 First of all, if your cities didn't call it a 342 00:17:55.759 --> 00:17:59.359 trap himself, as in something you know modern American scholars 343 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:02.640 had made up. But the basic argument is that the 344 00:18:03.039 --> 00:18:06.920 Thucydides trap is when a powerful country, let's call it 345 00:18:07.000 --> 00:18:12.440 the Hedgemond, detects a rising, younger power that's going to, 346 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:16.559 if thinks, challenge it for supremacy, so it launches a 347 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:21.680 preventative attack early rather than let the rising power eventually 348 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:27.319 grow and displace it. So the argument here, the reason 349 00:18:27.319 --> 00:18:30.359 why it's called the Thucidies trap. If you studied the 350 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:36.759 Peloponnesian War Sparta is according to Thucydides, the powerful country 351 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:46.039 Athens is the rising, commercial, rapacious democracy and Sparta essentially, 352 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:51.119 according to Thucydides, which and there's an interesting debate about 353 00:18:51.160 --> 00:18:55.240 whether the facts that Thucidities reports actually support his thesis. 354 00:18:55.319 --> 00:18:59.599 But Thucidity's thesis is that Sparta is responsible for the 355 00:18:59.680 --> 00:19:03.640 pelop Pnesian War because they were afraid of the rise 356 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:07.400 of Athens, and so they launched a preventative war and 357 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:10.680 destroyed the whole really destroyed the world of Greek city 358 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:15.440 states and eventually laid the whole thing opened to Philip 359 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.359 of Macedon and Alexander the Great to come in and 360 00:19:18.440 --> 00:19:21.279 invade and really wipe out the independence of all the 361 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:26.119 little city states eventually. So it really a destructive war 362 00:19:27.000 --> 00:19:29.839 between the two great superpowers of the time, Athens and Sparta. 363 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.960 So apparently, when Trump showed up for the summit in China, 364 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:36.839 Gnijianping says, you know, we don't want to get into 365 00:19:36.880 --> 00:19:42.440 a facinity's trap here, mister President over Taiwan and making 366 00:19:43.000 --> 00:19:46.400 the illusion, the claim that the United States is Sparta 367 00:19:46.559 --> 00:19:50.599 and China is Athens. And so a piece that I posted, 368 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:56.200 I sort of I argue that the city's trap itself 369 00:19:56.240 --> 00:19:59.039 doesn't necessarily exist at the time of the Greek city states. 370 00:19:59.079 --> 00:20:02.160 But if anybody is Athens, it's the United States now. 371 00:20:02.599 --> 00:20:08.240 And if anybody resembles you know, this regimented right freedomless, 372 00:20:09.200 --> 00:20:13.400 you know, society built on slave labor, it's China is 373 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:15.880 the Sparta of today. And so to me, I was like, 374 00:20:15.920 --> 00:20:18.119 the analogy doesn't work, but it has the best line 375 00:20:18.119 --> 00:20:20.440 I think I've written in a long time, which is, 376 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:24.480 but where are the Chinese bearing gifts? Greek gifts? Right? 377 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:29.519 My favorite line, No, no, no, no, my love. 378 00:20:29.759 --> 00:20:33.279 My favorite line was the fucinities trap may not be 379 00:20:33.440 --> 00:20:39.079 about preventive war, but about great powers defending, defeating themselves 380 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:43.519 by drawing the wrong analogies all past, because that not 381 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:47.440 only gets those koity toity whoever they were on I've 382 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:50.440 heard of them people. You are so impressed with uh 383 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:53.880 making these silly arguments, But it also is a little 384 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:55.400 bit of knife into Steve as well. 385 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.799 I mean that how did I walk into this? 386 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:03.559 But also you, guys Strouss, you love writing about this 387 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:06.319 period of history, right, you love writing about the Greek 388 00:21:06.400 --> 00:21:10.839 city states and Athens and Sparta and so so Crates 389 00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:16.519 and Aristotle, Right, you guys actually think there's a lot to. 390 00:21:16.559 --> 00:21:20.000 Be learned from this wind, don't you dude? 391 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:22.240 What what? Oh? 392 00:21:22.680 --> 00:21:26.680 Really? Yeah, I'm missing something there, dust Win. 393 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:32.079 Dude, when when Ted meets up with Socrates and Bill 394 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:36.920 and Ted's excellent adventure and so creates That's right. 395 00:21:36.839 --> 00:21:38.759 That was my first Ted talk. That's I always call it. 396 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:39.000 Right. 397 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:41.160 Well, let's let's first of all, let's start on the 398 00:21:41.200 --> 00:21:43.079 op Well, I'm going to do the strous and analysis, John, 399 00:21:43.160 --> 00:21:45.480 let's start on the surface here with the optics of 400 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.519 the whole thing. First of all, she made those comments 401 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:50.880