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Speaker 4: The fan get to get into some.

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Speaker 3: BYU football talk, University of Utah discussion as well as

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statements again, at least from the purview of BYU fans.

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Speaker 4: We'll delve into that. What is mar Carland tweeting about? Now?

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Speaker 3: Shouldn't they shut down Mark Carlan's Twitter accounties the question?

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Does Taylor Randall and the University of You say, you

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know what? No more tweets, no more public relations, no

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more getting in front of a mic. We're gonna shut

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you down. Let's have you worked behind the scenes. We'll

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delve into that. BAU basketball talkis always as we're getting closer,

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inch and closer to March Madness and much more here

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on your Utah ESPN Radio network. Why don't we fired

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up esp and the fan starting lineup and I can

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introduce you to my co host and the rest of

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the start start a cash joining us for this Friday, January.

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Speaker 4: I can't believe we're January sixteenth already. This is the day.

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I can't believe. I just realized it.

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Speaker 3: In two thousand and two, when Benjamin Joseph Cridle Elder

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Criddle entered into the Mission Training Center to learn Spanish

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and get prepped for the Spokane, Washington Spanish speaking mission.

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The best two years of my life, no doubt about it.

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Some of the hardest as well. Can't believe it's January sixteenth,

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But we're happy, we're excited. Maybe we'll tell some missionary

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training stories today and to talk.

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Speaker 4: To work Dotts.

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Speaker 3: Let's welcome in to the show the Guy behind the

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Glass Ronald the three man we particular bruser, co host, host,

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co host and host uh and doing all manner of

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Speaker 4: Up, Ronny, what's up?

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Speaker 5: I didn't know that you went into the the NTC

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around this time, so that's a good to know. I

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know you went on your mission, I knew the new

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Speaker 4: Didn't know specifically the day.

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Speaker 5: Thought you left in the summer, but that's good to

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know that you left in January.

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Speaker 4: That was a mid year guy, Bide.

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Speaker 3: I went up for a semester at Eastern Arizonia Junior

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College where I was coached up by the one the

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only Kilani Sitake. He was my cornerback's coach there at

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Eastern Arizona and Safford and Washed Safford and Thatcher Arizona.

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And it was a glorious time in my life. It

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had spent the semester down there where Spencer W. Kimple

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was born and raised, the former prophet of the church

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Jesus Christ Latorty Saints.

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Speaker 4: And then I went on.

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Speaker 3: The mission thrusted in my sickle with my mi wish

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aid me and support me and all of the the

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bike riding that I did at all of my locations

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in the Eastern Washington area. I served an awesome mission.

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and uh yeah, lessons to this day. The blessings to

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this day showcase are showcased every single day of my life. Ron,

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also welcome in Brett always bringing the hammer hammertime show

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what's up hammer time. You're almost on the same timeline

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as we Rider Lions. Somebody posted a picture of him

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the the transfers and things of that nature, you can

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any rate, it's a good time, it really is to

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and the true off season, getting bigger, faster and strong

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and being health become August is the kid. Yeah, I

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got home and college didn't really exist. I don't know

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if you remember, a little thing called COVID happened. I

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came home, I think three days after the world shut down.

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Speaker 4: We had we had at least you didn't have to

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Speaker 3: No, that's I'm so, but we had. We had a

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girl in our mission who ended up like she couldn't

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getting like her mission got extended, I think like six

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months because they literally could not fly her home.

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Speaker 3: That was also the same day that there was an

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earthquake at the Salt Airport. I don't know if I

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of messed up, and so the kids who were flying

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from Alberta to Salt Lake, there were a bunch of them.

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Speaker 4: They had to rent a.

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let them across the border. And they were really stingy

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lots of great times to come home. But didn't matter

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because when I came home, the world was on the

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verge of ending.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it just shut down. You were wearing your mask.

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masks hadn't happened yet.

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Speaker 3: And then yeah, when I got home, they were like, yeah,

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so the world's pretty much shut down now. We just

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hang out and watched movies all day. I'm like, honestly,

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this doesn't sound that bad to me. I'm sure it's

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rough for lots of other people, but I didn't seen

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my family in two years, so I man, man, we

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binged movies for weeks during COVID, and yeah, college didn't exist,

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Speaker 4: So what did you accomp during the month after your mission?

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Speaker 3: Oh dude, I think I watched every Marvel movie from

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Speaker 4: I watched a ton of movies.

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during COVID. And then I don't know why, but for

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some reason, after like two months, I was like, you know,

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Speaker 4: I can't be here anymore.

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Speaker 3: So I flew out to all places Rexburg, Idaho to

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go back to be allu Idaho because that's where I

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it was a desert wasteland more than Rexburg already is. Yeah,

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it was like me and my three roommates we couldn't

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meet girls because there weren't any there. So like, we

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hours a day and just watch friends until we fell

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Speaker 4: Wanted to do it all over again.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 3: I wish I would have stayed home because I didn't

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know what I was like, I'm gonna go to school

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and meet girls I haven't talked to a two years.

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I'm gonna go to Idaho and meet girls there Obviously

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Speaker 4: So yeah, so there was like eighty twenty men to female,

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just zero to zero. There were no people. No one

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Speaker 3: Nobody was at school. We had an eight man apartment.

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speakeasy COVID parties that people would have.

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Speaker 4: Oh the cops were busting these things all the time. Man.

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Speaker 3: I still whenever you talk about Rexburg and byu Idaho,

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I think about Rick's College and how I miss having

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a college football team in Rexburg.

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Speaker 4: It was a part. And I know they have great

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intramurals there now and they.

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Speaker 3: Like except the kids who play innermurals think it's like

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their super Bowl because they're playing tackle football at them,

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Good for them, you know what I mean? Like, I

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don't know, they walk around with too much energy, like

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they're playing a Division one sport and they're not.

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Speaker 4: Look everyone, you know, there's a little bit of Uncle

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Rico and all of us. That's valid. There's a little

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bit of Uncle Rico. And I was like, oh, well,

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Speaker 3: Have had that's every single kid, why would they got injured?

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If I would have had a coach. They blame on

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the coach. They blame it on their parents that bring

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them on the injury. What other what other excuses are

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out there for all the Uncle Rico's of why they

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didn't get that call or they had. I had a

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scholarship to X Y school, but I got injured on

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my mission and they took it away. That's like one

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of my favorites. I'm like, yeah, sure you did. Pow okay, yeah,

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sure you did.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah. But like I you know, like we should

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actually put that out.

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Speaker 3: As a random question, like what Uncle Rico excuses have

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you heard from people, especially in Profo Rexburg, all these

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return missionaries, Like yeah, you know, I had a scholarship prior,

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but then when I got back, I didn't have any more.

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Speaker 4: So I just had to start working. And then I

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got married and my dreams were dashed.

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Speaker 3: But if I would have X Y and Z I

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would have I would have been a starter. I would

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be in this hot tub with my soulmate right now.

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Just enumerate them anyway, I'll maybe get into that. My

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question of today, though, is this cougarnation. I'll put it

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out here shortly at Crudel Benjamin, what's been your favorite

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Mark Harlan moment? Number one, they give me the break tweet,

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the Pac twelve th tough, the Big twelve rumors. How

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about they stole it from this post game BYU versus

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Utah Holy War number three, purportedly pushing out Kyle Whitningham

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for the head coach and winning those twenty twenty five

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and then most recently attacking former former Utah signees and

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commits on Twitter. What's your favorite moment from Mark Carlin

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and why? Maybe is there a five? I don't know

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if there's number five. Those are the four that I

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thought of. So if there's a fifth, and let me know, ponder, search, pray, review,

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and research.

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Speaker 4: If you can hit me up at.

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Speaker 3: Crittle Benjamin if we put that out, I'm gonna being

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that out here shortly on your on Twitter at critle Benjamin.

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et cetera.

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Speaker 3: There was a really cool Deep Blue featuring director of

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Analytics and Strategy for the BYU men's basketball team, Akash Sebastian.

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Robbie McCombs featuring or representing Vanquish the Foe at four

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Men's Health and Pleasant Grove. At five point thirty, will

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welcome in Steve Klemits, former BA quarterback, to talk some

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BAYU football, Bear Bachmeyer, and more. I also put out

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a question regarding bear Bachmeyer. Two people compared to bear

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Bachmeyer to Tim Tebow right handed Tim Tebow. Now, remember

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it'll had about thirty eight attempts his freshman year two

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I mean, he tore it up. It was ridiculous. So

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take it with a grass of salt. But like we

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have data points from Tim Tebow's sophomore year, and you

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have bear Bachmeer's true freshman year, and you look at him,

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of a cop here from from an objective standpoint, the

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form and fashion in which bear Bachmeer led BYU, how

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he played, his efficiency and even his productivity. I would

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Speaker 4: First to say it.

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Speaker 3: And I'm asking you, Cougar Vans, did he meet that bar?

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Has Mark Carland erased his Celestimoa tweet yet?

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Speaker 4: I don't know, but I want the world to know.

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I already have a screenshot of it, so.

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Speaker 3: So everyone's got a screenshot of it. I think he

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erased it. I'm are you kidding me? If you're gonna

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least stand on business and keep it up.

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Speaker 4: No, he erased it. It's gone, dude, it's gone.

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Speaker 3: And I respect you even less because you tweeted something

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dumb and you didn't even have the conviction enough to

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keep it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So the tweet has been deleted.

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Speaker 3: Some people are are labeling it a late night drunken

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stupor tweet. I don't know if that's a It's one

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put out an AI video of Mark Harlan doing a shot.

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Speaker 4: And it was a you fan account. Actually, oh man.

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Speaker 3: Utah fans have to be growing a little bit weary, uh,

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regarding all the controversial like statements that Mark Carlin has

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made over the last few years. Like really like we're

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getting to a point where even Utah fans are becoming

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a bit unhinged. They're starting to call out their athletic director.

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So it begs the question. Look for those that don't know,

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Mark Harlan quote tweeted a co A tweet I believe

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it was a recruiting tweet about Celestimoa reopening his recruitment

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and he will make his announcement of all the edit

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all American here shortly regarding his new commitment. Now, remember

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Celestimo local product, the number one recruit in the state

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of Utah. He is the son of Ben moa former

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Utah great. He is the brother of ice Mo and Soonimo,

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both former BYU Cougar football player. Cioni I think transferred

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to Yukon, if I'm not mistaken, played linebacker, and Icemo

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played at Michigan State this last season and produced.

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Speaker 4: He's in the portal as well.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if Cimo his brother is, but Celestie

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ends up entering the portal, retracting his commitment, retracting his ly,

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and now he's open for business.

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Speaker 4: We'll see. I think he had to do not contact.

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Speaker 3: Asterix as well or delineation on his request to enter

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the portal. At any rate, Celestimo is going to commit elsewhere.

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And Mark Carlin called him out in a somewhat begrudging,

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maybe petty fashion. So that's top of mine. But there

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are other ops about your favorite moment, especially as a BA.

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Speaker 4: There are other options here.

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Speaker 3: If you like Mark harland tweets, if you like my

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Mark Harlan putting his foot in his mouth, how about

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the give me a break tweet? When Dennis Dodd was

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prognosticating that the Big Twelve and brett Ormark were ready

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to pounce on the four Corner school obviously Utah being

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one of those four Corner.

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Speaker 4: Schools, and that the Pac twelve was about to.

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Speaker 3: Fall into decay and ultimately self destruct and the Big

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twelve was going to take advantage of it, he said,

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give me a break, give me a.

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Speaker 4: Break, give me a break, break me off a piece

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of that kid cap bar.

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Speaker 3: So obviously we know what happened the Pac twelve disintegrated

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before our eyes. The Conference of Champions no longer really

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truly exists, and the University of Utah ended up in

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the Big Twelve. And then you get into the sequencing

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of it BYU versus Utah Holy War, and Mark Harlan

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rushed the okay, was penalized and then went to the

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press conference and said, and I quote, this game was

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stolen from us.

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Speaker 4: They stole it from us. I was excited.

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Speaker 3: I was, you know, ultimately proud of being in the

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Big twelve, But today I am not. And Brett Or

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Mark's gonna hear from me. Maybe it's number two, Maybe

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that's your favorite moment for Mark Carlin. Number three. This

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one's a little bit interesting because there's theories on it.

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But purportedly pushing out Kyle Whittingham. Kyle Whittingham went to

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the Trench report himself and is now at Michigan the

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greatest coach in Utah football history, was purportedly pushed out

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by Mark Harlan the ad of the University of Utah.

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Speaker 4: Or number four.

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Speaker 3: How about calling out former signees and commits on Twitter?

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What's your favorite and why this.

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Speaker 4: Is my favorite? And it's not even close.

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Speaker 3: It's the fact that Mark Harlan rushed the field then

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went ahead and said we were happy to be in

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the Big Twelve, but now we're not.

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Speaker 4: And then somehow did some kind of spin job to say, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what, Brett or Mark, not only am I going

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to criticize you publicly a year from now, the Big

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twelve is going to need a representative for the college

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Football Playoff Committee, and I should be the last guy

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who gets this gig.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to convince you to give it to me,

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of all people. Here's the crazy part.

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Speaker 3: There are people across America applying for jobs who cannot

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get them. Mark Harland has a job. Mark Harland is

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currently employed on salary with a full time job representing

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the university as a public facing figure. There are people

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out here who say, man, I busted my a. I've

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done this, that and the other. My resume is killer,

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and I cannot get a job in this economy. Mark

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Carlin says, I can do whatever I want at my

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job and I can't get fired. I can tweet whatever

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I want, I can say whatever I want. I can

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call out the commissioner of the conference that we're in

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that I said, well, I never wanted to be in

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in the first place.

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Speaker 4: I can do whatever I want, and.

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Speaker 3: Not only do I get to keep my job, I

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get rewarded by being on the College Fall playoff committee.

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Speaker 4: I know you want to step in here.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I definitely do. Brett and I I've talked about this.

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First of all, we need his his his grammar person.

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And this is coming from a god, from somebody who

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who has made grammar mistakes and still does.

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 4: You got to use the edit button.

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Speaker 5: Lee used edit button, get a new version, go back

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and check or delete and repost as I've done.

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Speaker 4: Look what was this tweet?

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Speaker 5: Even I don't know, but the four You got to

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use the parentheses. You gotta make him you have the yes, Yes,

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I have a tooth. Okay, yeah, go ahead, Brett, No,

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you go ahead, Brett, No, go ahead, He.

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Speaker 3: Goes, well, Comma, he was in class with us for

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a parentheses last no space week in space before the

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first parentheses is.

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Speaker 4: Not after the last one. Okay, it is what it is.

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Speaker 3: And then he goes public announcement dot dot dot seen

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it all now parentheses space probably not parentheses, so like

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it doesn't even the way he wrote it bad, Like

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there's no concent. I don't know really what the tweet

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was even supposed to say. I don't know that he

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was drunk or anything they wrote it, but that would

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certainly explain a couple of things.

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Speaker 5: So I understand why people say the drunk thing. And look,

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I don't don't know if it's accurate been, but it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I will laugh and say that.

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Speaker 5: Look, man, at first I was thinking it was the

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other ones, but no, it's it's this one. Because they

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keep getting better, they do. They keep getting better. So

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he gets in his fields like a little teenager, you know,

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give me a break, you know, I just I could.

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Speaker 4: That's what it is.

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Speaker 5: And then then it's on the field as a grown man,

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as a professional on the field, gets his team's a penalty,

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then says, you know what, I'm gonna beat everybody to

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the press conference, Ben you and they you're there, I'm

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gonna go and say, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, this game was stolen.

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Speaker 1: I'm upset. You know.

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Speaker 5: Then you're gonna act all like a crybaby, and then

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you're gonna attack an eighteen year old kid.

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Speaker 4: Nah, it just keeps getting better.

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Speaker 5: This dude just keeps giving me cookies to the cookie

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jar and I'm just like, Bro, you just you're it's bad,

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Like you're embarrassing. He's an embarrassment to the to the

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program of Utah, Like you're doing this and you really

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need This is where you need to listen to your

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pr people. You need to get get in with them

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and stop like and I'm and I'm coming from saying

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this of it's a bad look for I think the

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University Utah, who is is a great university. My brother

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in law graduated from there with his bachelors and his

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master's in the last in the last year, and he

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and his family, my sister's married to him. They are

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all Utah graduates. They are frustrated with how the University

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of Utah has handled stuff.

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Speaker 4: This is not me speaking for them, this is what

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they have told me.

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Speaker 5: They're disappointed in how the idea has gone about handling

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stuff internally with athletics and outside professional wise, and they're

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upset of how things have gone. And this is another

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example of this. I've already received text from them of

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why does like And I just want to bring up

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another perspective. I couldn't imagine ben if if Brian Santiago

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or Tom Homo did this and I'm going to a

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different perspective of what would be the repercussions or what

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would happen if this were to be the case.

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Speaker 4: And to me, it just eat none of them.

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Speaker 5: I like them all honestly because they keep getting better.

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But it's just sad that I feel like it takes

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away the attention of Morgan Scala, who just became the

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head coach. Is just it's putting pressure. And honestly, I mean,

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who's the accused accountable in this. It's the school president.

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So I mean Taylor Randall's the one that needs to

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answer to this because Mark Carlin said and has done

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some things over the years that quite frankly shouldn't have

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been done. And I just feel like you're representing the

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University of Utah in a bad way because they have

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some good athletic programs, some good head coaches, whether they're

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here at other schools, and it just to me, it's

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it's becoming embarrassing the more I look at it, and

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I think people aren't taking him seriously.

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Speaker 4: The more he does this to himself.

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Speaker 3: You got five options now, shout out to AP for

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bringing up I know I was like conglomerating the number

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two and number three together, but they need to be

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separated out. We got give me a break and the

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eventual destruction. Like I actually think that he played a

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role in the eventual destruction of the Pac twelve. I

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believe that like I think Key and even Taylor Randall

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up on the U and their consultants, they played a

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big role in overvaluating themselves, the Hubris being pompous in

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nature and ultimately leading others astray in that process of

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evaluating what they should do. Remember, they turned down they

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had a Fox deal. Fox didn't want anything to do

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with them going into this new deal in enters ESPN,

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the other player, and they gave them a valuation of

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something similar to what the Big twelve offered them, right

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at thirty one thirty two million per year.

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Speaker 4: At that time.

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Speaker 3: They said, no, we're better than that, We're actually worth

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fifty million. They resorted to the CW and all these

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odd we're all the different television platforms that they were

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negotiating with.

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Speaker 4: At any rate, nobody wanted to touch them, and they

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kept on. Apple. Apple came in right.

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Speaker 3: They were talking about going all on all s streaming

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on Apple's platform. This was I am convinced that Mark

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Carlin played a role in that because who was the

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most vocal advocate for not going to the Big twelve?

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Mark Harlin and then the Asuad, those were the two

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guys that were really digging their heels in at any rate.

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To me, that the thing that I loved most was

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to give me the break. And like the just him

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being forced to the Big twelve, that was my favorite

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one because that one was devastating for the I think

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for the the an entire conference, like he deserves a

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little bit, probably a lot of bit of that pie

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of accountability. Number two they stole it from us, obviously,

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that was hilarious from the pulpit. Number three walking onto

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the field during a play getting penalized in a game

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in which his team still had an opportunity to win

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the game.

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Speaker 4: That's insane.

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Speaker 3: Number four proportedly pushing out Kyle Whittingham for the head

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coach in waiting and then finally calling out former signees

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we were in the househout out to Big Graham on

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the data and we're going to get into our questions

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and polls of the day here on your UTI ESPN

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radio network. Already put out what's been your favorite Mark

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Harlan moment? And why here on your UTI ESPN radio network.

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Want to hear from you? Chime in on that at

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crittle Benjamin on Twitter. Also, I put together another poll

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earlier in the show. Did bear Bachmeyer meet the lofty player?

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Comparison with the right handed t bow in his first

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year as the BYU quarterback?

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Speaker 4: A little bit check us out.

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Speaker 3: Sixty four point nine percent completion percentage on three hundred

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and eighty seven attempts.

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Speaker 4: Not too shabby.

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Speaker 3: Three thirty three passing yards, fifteen touchdowns to seven im

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t A one thirty nine point nine passer rating, seven

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point eight yards per attempt, five hundred and twenty seven

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rushing yards, eleven rushing touchdowns. Now that's his true freshman

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year sophomore Tim Tebow in his first full season as

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a starter, attempt a three hundred fifty passes, did complete

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sixty six point nine percent of those accumulated three thousand,

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two hundred and eighty six passing yards, thirty two passing touchdowns.

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Speaker 4: That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Six im ts, nine point four yards per attempt, eight

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hundred and ninety five rushing yards. I forgot that he

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almost ran for a thousand, uh wow, and then twenty

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three rushing touchdowns. Remember, Brady Quinn on Fox Sports said

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he kind of reminds me of a right handed Tim

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Tebow a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Prior to noon kickoff, Big noon kickoff and prior to that.

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Speaker 3: On August eighth, former BAU quarterback Steve Clements said this

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about bear Bachmeyer after watching him in practice, he reminds

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me of a better throwing Tim Tebow. So you have

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multiple former quarterbacks that played at a high level. Steve

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Clems was like an All American high school football player,

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went to you to University of Texas, came to BYU,

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and you know, due to a number of things, didn't

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become the star that I thought he was meant to be.

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In the treshportal, are he probably have bounced and probably

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started elsewhere and taken a team like Dulane to big,

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big heights, you know, just like Jake retz Loof did.

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But at any rate, do you feel like the I mean,

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this got a ton of hate from Utah fans. Look,

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Utah fans, out of all the fan bases that I've

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ever been around, they have they don't know ball. They

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are dumber than a bag of bricks when it comes

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to football. When they come to football breakdowns, Like I

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have probably five or six different scenarios where I've tweeted

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something about football players being having pro potential, possibly being

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NFL draft picks, and they wrote a plethora of what

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I would deem is just ignorant comments on my feed,

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which ultimately they all came to fruition.

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Speaker 4: They were all drafted, they were all developed.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Zane Anderson still in the league, Jaron Hall

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was drafted, Zach Wilson was drafted. Keyton Slovis is still

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in the NFL. They just don't know football, but they

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act as if they do. They're dumber than a back

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of bricks. They were in our mentions the entire time.

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I think it was a pretty it was a valid comparison.

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He kind of reminds us of a right handed Tim Tebow.

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What did you see Brett always bringing the hammer?

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Speaker 4: This is coming from the university who I mean.

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Speaker 3: Utah fans still hang their hat on Tyler Huntley like

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A He's the greatest quarterback who ever lived, and B

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they forget that while Tyler Huntley is great in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: He is still a backup. And that's like the last

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great Utah quarterback.

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Speaker 1: To play in the NFL.

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Speaker 4: Just to put in some context for Utah. But you know,

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it's okay. Utah fans don't know ball. It is what

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it is. They have the lowest ball.

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Speaker 3: No, as far as the Tim Tebow comparison, I because

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I didn't grow up a BYU guy.

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Speaker 4: I try to drink as little of the kool.

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Speaker 3: Aid as possible, and and anytime something like that goes out,

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I like to be like, okay, I don't I don't know,

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or we we have too many blue goggles. Would have

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been as sacrilegious is like is how would you how

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would you have found about? If I would have said

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he reminds me of Cam Newton, kind of reminds me

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of a b Yu version of Cam Newton. I mean,

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even that's a little bit over the top. We won't

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hurts you most because I know you're Oh you're Obama.

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Speaker 4: Auburn guy. I know I hate I hate Auburn and

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I hate Florida. I don't you know what. Now, that's

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a great poll of the day for me. Who do

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I hate more? Cam Newton or Tim Tebum. I will say, since.

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Speaker 3: Playing football, I've really come around to like Tim Tebow.

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He's a nice guy. Oh, Cam Newton, I still don't

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know if I'm a fan of because he says some

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wild things and wears some dumb hats.

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Speaker 4: So when this this comparison first came out, I remember I.

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Speaker 3: Was on the show when Steve Clements said this, and

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I remember just sitting back a little bit, going, I

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don't know that much about Steve Clemens, so maybe I'm

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not big on this one. Steve Clements was absolutely right

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and vindicated in the fact that a third party in

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Brady Quinn.

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Speaker 4: Who knows something about ball, also went on to say it.

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Speaker 3: I think the hard part is the connotation when you

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say the words Tim Tebow is greatest college football player

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of all time potentially, and so it's hard to make

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that comparison and separate the mechanic and the mechanical composition

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in comparison to and separate that.

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Speaker 4: From what Tim Tebow ended up being.

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Speaker 3: But if you are able to do that and compartmentalize

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and say, look, we're not talking about his career prospects,

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his career accomplishments. We're talking about the way that he

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plays ball. Yeah, one hundred percent, that was proven to

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be true in terms of the way that he played.

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You look at his statistical measurements, and again we're talking

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about true fresh Schmann bear Bachmeyer compared to sophomore Tim Tebow,

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who we would also argue that Florida team had I

688
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love BYU. I'll love me some cougars. That Florida team

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had a lot more talent than this BYU team did.

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That was one of the greatest of all time. So

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it's honestly pretty unreal when you do that stat by

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stat comparison. And this is also again we have to

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remind people, this is bear Bachmeyer who had what like

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three weeks to get ready for the season with BYU

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before the season started, and at Tim Tebow, who had

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a year and a half to get ready for the

697
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season started. So, yeah, that comparison between Tim Tebow and

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Bear Bachmeyer and the way they both play ball, and

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I think, honestly like the way those two dudes are

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both willing to just lay their body on the line.

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Like there's some things bear Bachmeyer did that I'm like, hey,

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you probably didn't need to do that, Like you didn't

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need to lay that guy out like that. You probably

704
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should have learned how to slide, but he did because

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all he cares about is playing ball in the here

706
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and now. So that comparison, that to me, like if

707
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:04,519
that was a stock, that was a stock that was

708
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:07,039
worth maybe one cent at the beginning of the season

709
00:35:07,079 --> 00:35:10,159
that nobody would have touched. And uh, in a season

710
00:35:10,199 --> 00:35:13,599
it turned into that GameStop AMC type stuff. So incredible

711
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,400
take from Steve Clements. And then Brady Quinn wanted to

712
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,639
hop on board. Yeah, just hopping on the bandwagon, the

713
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,920
Tim Tebow bandwagon.

714
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,559
Speaker 4: What do you got from we Runald the three man Weaver. Yeah,

715
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,239
Brady Quinn, you're funny with that.

716
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: Here's the funny part about it, Ben.

717
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,119
Speaker 5: He said that to us because I was there at

718
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:34,480
Big noon kickoff when we were at the media availability

719
00:35:34,559 --> 00:35:36,199
that's what he said when we were asking him questions

720
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,000
before that byu Utah game. So for the fact that

721
00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:40,880
he had said it, that was like, h I've already

722
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,320
heard that, but you know, but I was like, I

723
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,519
know that because you're a national guy. You know, I

724
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:49,280
know what it's gonna do. I'm not stupid an the show.

725
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,920
Maybe just show a fan of the show. Look, uh,

726
00:35:54,199 --> 00:35:55,440
I think that's accurate.

727
00:35:55,519 --> 00:35:55,639
Speaker 6: Ben.

728
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,679
Speaker 5: I even think you can even make an argument that

729
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,639
Bear might even be tougher than Tim. But like, there's

730
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:04,039
there's a there's one of the toughest. Like, yeah, I'm

731
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:06,599
gonna start some Yeah, I'm poking the bear. You know,

732
00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:11,360
no pun intended there, it got any crazy here we go. No,

733
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,440
there's one of the toughest college football not only quarterbacks,

734
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,039
but players that I've seen in my time of covering

735
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:21,400
and watching the game. Like to have your ankle go

736
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:23,719
out like that, Ben, And you know, Ben, you played

737
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,199
that violent sport. You the only one that can attest

738
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,760
to it in that manner who's been taped, you know whatever.

739
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,760
Other the medical people, physicians tried to get to take

740
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,920
that step and for it just to cave like that,

741
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:37,840
Like all right, it's not gonna work in to sit

742
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,400
back and then to throw the amount of yards that

743
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:44,280
he did, and then when they needed the two point conversion,

744
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,559
it says, you know what, this ankle just might get

745
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:48,719
broken to day and then to put down and drag

746
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,400
steal three people in. That's tough with a capitol, you know,

747
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:56,039
t So Look, I think he is a better throwing

748
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:57,360
right handed Tim Tebow.

749
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:57,519
Speaker 1: No doubt.

750
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 5: And the best part I love Ben is He's going

751
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:03,280
to get better. I cannot wait to see this offseason.

752
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:06,480
I'm excited for springball Ben from what we get to observe,

753
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,400
and then I'm excited for fal camp.

754
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,159
Speaker 4: But I'm a hoops guy.

755
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 5: You know there's been because I want to see this

756
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,840
kid's improvement. They still need to RB two to help

757
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,639
out the running back room, but he is going to

758
00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:19,559
be phenomenal next season. I can't wait to see him. Look,

759
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:21,760
he threw for three thousand yards. Can you make the

760
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:22,679
argument I don't want.

761
00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: To be too much.

762
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,599
Speaker 5: I don't want to get to hyperper because it Ben's like, hey,

763
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:27,119
that might be too aperabolic. Can he throw for thirty

764
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:29,679
five hundred four thousand next year? Can he be a

765
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,559
four thousand yard quarterback? Through the year, over forty five

766
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,800
one hundred yards of total offense. And when you start

767
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,679
putting up those type of numbers, been thirty total touchdowns.

768
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,559
I know Jay Gretz said he want to be in

769
00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:41,679
New York, but those type of numbers actually puts a

770
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,440
quarterback in the competition to be in New York.

771
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:49,559
Speaker 3: We have a special guest that just got into the studio.

772
00:37:49,679 --> 00:37:54,199
Let's welcome in the late the one the only Brandon

773
00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,039
Securty of the Daily Herald.

774
00:37:57,079 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 4: G Man, how are you, buddy, I'm doing well.

775
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: I was real to see this Mark. I know he

776
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,400
loves that. That's why I did that. I'm leaving.

777
00:38:09,159 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 4: I won't leave this studio.

778
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:12,800
Speaker 1: Man, I'm just playing. I'm sorry.

779
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:13,559
Speaker 4: I apologize.

780
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 1: I know you're playing and everyone plays that.

781
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 4: I hate it.

782
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:23,559
Speaker 1: Sorry garbage. Anyway, I was thrilled to see Mark Harland tweet.

783
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:29,039
I'd encourage more tweeting from him. And what gets me

784
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:34,079
about Mark Harland is I just think there's still an

785
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:40,320
arrogance up there that it's just they haven't accepted.

786
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 4: Their station to this very petulant arrogance.

787
00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: I think it exudes from that program and Mark Harlan's

788
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,760
under a ton of pressure. Right now, you don't get

789
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,679
rid and let's be honest, he got rid of Kyle Whittingham,

790
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,920
a guy who defined the program. Unless you're under a

791
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,800
lot of pressure. He has put a mammoth sized amount

792
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:06,159
of pressure on himself for the way he's done things.

793
00:39:06,559 --> 00:39:09,840
He needs guys like Celessie Moas. So when he leaves

794
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,920
the program it hurts him particularly. But here's the key

795
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,480
point in all of it. He knows that he doesn't

796
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:20,360
have the wherewithal the program, doesn't have the wherewith all

797
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,119
the funds, the capability to keep a kid like that

798
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,400
in house. And a lot of it's his fault because

799
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,599
he let go of the coach that Celestie's probably gonna

800
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:35,000
go play for now. Yeah, and so it's personal for him.

801
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:38,039
But I think the larger story about the University of Utah,

802
00:39:38,199 --> 00:39:42,039
I'll think about any school, any program in the entire country.

803
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:44,679
Is there a program in the history of college football

804
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:49,960
that embraced its station more than the University of Utah

805
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:50,880
did with the PEC twelve.

806
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,599
Speaker 4: I'd say the SEC is pretty inebriated with their brand.

807
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:55,079
Speaker 1: They are.

808
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 4: That's it just means more whatever it is like.

809
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: But a lot of those programs they were big, and

810
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:04,519
by virtue of them being what they are, they became

811
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:08,760
the sec right. University of Utah was a very solid

812
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,679
minor program prior to the Big twelve I PAC twelve

813
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,599
and when the embrace of the PAC twelve was something

814
00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:23,000
I'd never seen. It defined what Utah was. They loved

815
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:26,480
it so much. And the fact that it was found

816
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,840
out to be a pretense something that was really overrated

817
00:40:31,039 --> 00:40:34,559
and not sustainable. I don't think the powers that be

818
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,360
have let go of that yet, to which I think

819
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,119
they still have it in their minds that they're better

820
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,519
than their current station. I think that still exists, and

821
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:46,840
I think it becomes apparent when you see the whining,

822
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,320
because let's be honest, you don't tweet what you do

823
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:54,679
if you're winning, if you're confident in the product and

824
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,079
what you have to offer. No, yeah you are. You

825
00:40:58,199 --> 00:41:02,320
whine about the circumstance. And and sure, I mean that

826
00:41:03,159 --> 00:41:06,280
the straight text of his message wasn't necessarily whining. It

827
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,880
It was just but considering who he is and what

828
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:14,039
he represents and how an athletic director should conduct himself, Yeah,

829
00:41:14,119 --> 00:41:14,840
it was whining.

830
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,159
Speaker 4: So I don't.

831
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: Understand what he thinks is going to be accomplished by

832
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,199
doing things like that. I don't think he does think

833
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,199
about it, to which he deleted the tweet, which I

834
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,159
think is might be the single good move I've seen

835
00:41:30,199 --> 00:41:31,800
Mark Carlin do since he's become athletic.

836
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 4: I don't know. I think it kind of almost works.

837
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,280
Just own it if that's who you are, Just own it.

838
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:39,360
Just own it to you know what I mean, Like

839
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:41,440
because he's kept most of the previous ones.

840
00:41:41,559 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, they're still up.

841
00:41:43,199 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, they give me a break, you know. I don't

842
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,280
think he's going out like erasing trying to like report

843
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,000
anyone on the video of they stole it from us today.

844
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:54,679
I'm not proud to be a part of the Big twelve.

845
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:55,639
I didn't take down the.

846
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: Pig bus tweet.

847
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 4: We did, we got Oh that's right. Then we can't

848
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,679
find that one. I can't find it. Do you know

849
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:02,320
what I'm talking about? With the pig buster that should

850
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,039
have been number six?

851
00:42:03,159 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 1: I must have I must have missed.

852
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 3: I gave you five options. What's your favorite Mark Carlan moment?

853
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,320
And why g men? Is it to give me the break?

854
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:09,599
Speaker 4: Oh?

855
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 3: And his role of the event with the adventual disintegration

856
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,920
of the PAC twelve, they stole it from us in

857
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,639
the post game speech. How about walking onto the field

858
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:20,719
during a play getting penalized in a game in which

859
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,519
his team still had an opportunity to win the game,

860
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,480
purportedly pushing out Kyle Whittingham for the head coach in

861
00:42:25,519 --> 00:42:27,920
waiting number five, calling out a former side he commit

862
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,159
on Twitter, So lessimoa, what do you got?

863
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,159
Speaker 1: Well, the most significant one, by far is the Kyle Whittingham.

864
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a big one.

865
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: I mean, my goodness, Kyle Whittingham and BWAE fans don't

866
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,679
like Kyle Whittingham. He was a fantastic football coach. Now,

867
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:44,639
I think even the most jaded you hater could admit

868
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:48,320
as much. Yep, that guy is University of Utah football.

869
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:51,840
He should have been afforded the opportunity to do whatever

870
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,559
he wanted with that program. He had reached that stature.

871
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,239
He's at the stature where the football stadium should be

872
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,239
named after him. I really believe that, at least the

873
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:04,840
field Kyle Whittingham field. And you get rid of that guy.

874
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:07,880
You say, no Ah, you don't get to do whatever

875
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,920
you want. No, he gets to do whatever he wants

876
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,320
because guess what what he wants brings success to the

877
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,239
University of Utah, and it has since two thousand and five.

878
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:22,199
He's been extraordinary. You does nothing without Kyle Whittingham, and

879
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:26,400
I think Utah might find out sooner you look at

880
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,679
the roster you does bring him to twenty twenty six,

881
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:33,960
and the coaching staff fans might be a little shocked

882
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,360
at the product they see unfold come twenty twenty six.

883
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,159
That's all I'm saying.

884
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 3: You're you're feeling like, you know, even I've looked at

885
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,119
their roster, Cridal, you don't think that.

886
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,679
Speaker 4: But culture could win out right BA roster. You know

887
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:46,599
they do.

888
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 1: They have a coach that can establish the phenomenal culture

889
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:50,079
that Kyle Whittingham.

890
00:43:50,159 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 4: Steve Clements thinks, so you know he just had a conversation.

891
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,079
Speaker 1: With But it's a very much I mean, Morgan Scally's

892
00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:59,760
a very good coach. We know this, But it's a

893
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,400
whole different ballgame when you're a head coach.

894
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 4: We know this.

895
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: Everyone struggles with it. No one fits seamlessly into the

896
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,320
head coaching position. If someone has maybe Kurt Signetti right,

897
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,960
other than that, it's very rare. There's going to be things.

898
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 4: But but what you have.

899
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: Is he gonna have coordinators that are as good as

900
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:22,599
Morgan Scalley. That's the difference.

901
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:25,760
Speaker 4: To give it as his oc who did good things.

902
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:27,159
That UF State's got a pretty good.

903
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:31,639
Speaker 1: Residents, I'd say he's fine, He's fine. Yeah, But anyway,

904
00:44:31,679 --> 00:44:34,719
I think Utah's on the precipice of a real breaking point,

905
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,639
which I is redundant to say another thing about it anyway,

906
00:44:38,639 --> 00:44:41,320
but bet and I think Mark Carlin has beenling a

907
00:44:41,599 --> 00:44:44,920
ton of pressure, and he should because the move he made,

908
00:44:45,079 --> 00:44:47,599
my goodness, I think it's gonna bite the program big time.

909
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:52,559
Kyle Winningham is not a guy that you dictate conditions to.

910
00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:57,159
No what he did for the program, he should have

911
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:01,960
dictated whatever condition he felt because he was University of

912
00:45:02,039 --> 00:45:04,679
Utah football. And it's still a shock to me that

913
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,239
he's a University of Michigan. It blows my mind that

914
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:10,639
the University of Utah, with everything it believes it is,

915
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,639
allowed that to happen. And if Morgan Scaley's arousing success,

916
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,440
I'll eat my words. I'll I'll get Mark Mark Carlo's

917
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,199
a genius all that, But until I see that, it's

918
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:26,679
it's really really hard to understand why he made the

919
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:27,400
moves that he did.

920
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,039
Speaker 3: You know what's crazy is as you were, you know,

921
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:36,079
pontificating on this, I thought about the what could have

922
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:40,559
been even with BYU in this last process, had Brian

923
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:46,079
Santiago and and b Yu let Kalani Walkah and taken

924
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:49,880
staff members with him to Penn State, how many players

925
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,119
would have gone, how many coaches would have gone? Obviously

926
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,679
Jay Hill would have taken over as the you know,

927
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:58,880
head coach in waiting. And and what if you know,

928
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:01,480
Mark har Carlynne had said, you know, yeah, we're gonna

929
00:46:01,519 --> 00:46:06,039
do what you want. Kyle Whittingham, you can be extending

930
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,480
you stop gassing the tank. The roles could have been

931
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:13,840
completely reversed here like now. I think Jay Hill at

932
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,400
the Helm would have been fine. I think it would

933
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,559
have been good at b YU, I think, but it

934
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:21,119
could have been devastating, you know what I mean. It

935
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:26,480
could have been pretty devastating to rebuild restructure. Remember, Kilane

936
00:46:26,519 --> 00:46:29,079
would have had the same type of resources allocated him

937
00:46:29,079 --> 00:46:35,400
with nil coaching staffs. He acquisitions could have brought in

938
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:39,679
just about anybody to those jobs. Anyway, I just kind

939
00:46:39,679 --> 00:46:45,119
of thought about that. You picked your favorite moment from

940
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:48,039
Harlan or maybe the most the most, not necessarily favorite,

941
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:50,000
but like the most as.

942
00:46:49,519 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: A media guy, the most memorable, as they stole it

943
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,840
from us in the press conference. Yeah, taking to the microphone,

944
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:59,000
asserting himself and making a statement like that is so extraordinary.

945
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:02,159
I can't even think of anything I've seen that even

946
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:06,039
touches that. So anyway, he is what he is.

947
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: And what's the most embarrassing moment from Mark I think

948
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,239
the stole of Yeah, I agree.

949
00:47:14,679 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: That should have been embarrassing.

950
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,280
Speaker 3: It should have been not running onto the field c

951
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,920
I think running onto the field of play like that

952
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:26,000
is freaking Like, I know, speaking like you're still acting,

953
00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:26,559
it's an action.

954
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 4: These are physical actions.

955
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 3: He verbalized it, like obviously it's a rarity to see

956
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,079
an eighty go on go in front of the mic

957
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,159
in a post game scenario, like I don't know when

958
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:38,920
or how it's.

959
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:41,519
Speaker 1: At a raking I never that happening.

960
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,599
Speaker 3: But like, you run onto the field of play, get

961
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:49,000
penalized when your team is playing and still has an opportunity.

962
00:47:49,039 --> 00:47:51,440
It's the final play of the game and they could win,

963
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:53,840
Like what if they housed it?

964
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,199
Speaker 4: What if that? And you know, it's even more embarrassing

965
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:00,760
than that remember that five time a riot that happened.

966
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: We may have to create a list of like, uh,

967
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:08,960
of of embarrassing things the Utah fan base has also done.

968
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,719
Remember when they stormed the field like five consecutive times

969
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,519
and gave by you like like four field goal attempts?

970
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:18,159
Speaker 1: I think twelve? Oh god, I remember that.

971
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,039
Speaker 4: I just didn't say anyway.

972
00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 3: I hate to divert there, but it's uh, there have

973
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,159
been plenty of embarrassing things like the are these like

974
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,280
fireable offenses or are these just like uh, you.

975
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 4: Would think so, but apparently not, don't you think Taylor

976
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,400
Randall just texted him, is like, hey, could you take

977
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,280
down that tweet?

978
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:43,559
Speaker 3: See it's interesting to me that we're finally seeing it

979
00:48:43,679 --> 00:48:46,440
taken down. That That's what makes me wonder if something

980
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,679
is different now is because we haven't typically.

981
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 4: Seen take tweet.

982
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: Wasn't his decision right?

983
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: I wonder if him taking the tweet down is a

984
00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:59,760
sign of, hey, he is really finally feeling that he

985
00:49:00,039 --> 00:49:04,000
and there may be some real consequences presented that, like, hey, Mark,

986
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,320
this is the last straw you do this again, We're done.

987
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: I've got to believe that his leash is very short.

988
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:14,079
Now very short, it has to be yeah, to make

989
00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:17,559
the moves that he did, and he made these moves.

990
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,000
It was Mark Carlin. He is the athletic director. My goodness.

991
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:27,960
I mean, if it works out, huge props. If it doesn't, yeah,

992
00:49:28,039 --> 00:49:30,239
you should, you should get out of Utah there.

993
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,159
Speaker 5: Then you just don't see that like to like to

994
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:36,400
think about the tweet like that's his personal account. No

995
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,880
one's running that for you, and by good all gravy,

996
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,480
if someone is, please stop them and fire them immediately.

997
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:43,079
Speaker 4: Maybe he thought it was his burner.

998
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: Here's what I know.

999
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 3: Maybe he accidentally tweeted from his real account, but he

1000
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,320
thought it was his burner account.

1001
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 4: And the next question is which.

1002
00:49:52,519 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: One is his burner.

1003
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 5: He's got burners in the media bit and I'm gonaid,

1004
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:57,199
I'm not gonna start the conversation.

1005
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: Here's what I don't understand. I'm a schlob guy that

1006
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,360
that that's nothing right.

1007
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1008
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: Do you know how many times I've made a tweet

1009
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:10,400
and thinking, no, I probably shouldn't say that. Yeah, I

1010
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:14,320
do that often. Yes, sometimes I delete tweets that I

1011
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,599
tweet out just like, no, I shouldn't do that.

1012
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 4: Yeah. Exception about common sense is that it's not all

1013
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:21,000
that common.

1014
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I don't have near the authority specter whatever

1015
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,440
is Mark Carlin. So it just blows my mind when

1016
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,000
you see tweets like that and they stay up. It

1017
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:36,920
doesn't make sense to me. I that's that's something that's

1018
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,840
hard for me to correlate as some schlub reporter that

1019
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:42,880
deletes tweets all the time.

1020
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 5: I'm just surprised that athletic director or a grown man

1021
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:48,880
is like commenting his pain about an eighteen like that,

1022
00:50:49,079 --> 00:50:51,719
that's just that, like that, that's not your job, Like

1023
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:53,880
that's coaching staff, Like stay out of that.

1024
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:56,639
Speaker 1: I don't understand the purpose of doing that. Like wait,

1025
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:57,800
that's what I'm saying. I don't get it.

1026
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,039
Speaker 3: What about the private equity that's now in Like how

1027
00:51:01,079 --> 00:51:04,239
does are they how does this factor into that? Because

1028
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,159
I know that UTAH is supposed to keep control, But

1029
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:08,719
I wonder if they also see that and they're like,

1030
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:12,440
this is definitely tanking our value. I'm curious how they

1031
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,519
are viewing this or if they're paying attention.

1032
00:51:14,599 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: How much are we paying Mark Carlin?

1033
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:18,119
Speaker 4: What is it too much?

1034
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, yeah, okay, oh wow, interesting times up on

1035
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:22,360
the hill.

1036
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 3: I'll tell you that what is Mark Carlin said at

1037
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,760
one million, over one million dollars annually is his contract?

1038
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 4: Man, Can you imagine getting paid that much to just

1039
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:31,280
do whatever you want?

1040
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: Man?

1041
00:51:31,519 --> 00:51:33,159
Speaker 5: If I could get that paid much to just say

1042
00:51:33,159 --> 00:51:36,880
and go out and do whatever I want, many.

1043
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 4: Really good at all the other things he has to

1044
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,199
do at his job.

1045
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:42,679
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three, his contract was extended through twenty

1046
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:47,440
twenty eight. He became the athletic director for the University

1047
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:48,760
of Utah in twenty eighteen.

1048
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,400
Speaker 4: Since then, Harlan has guided the program.

1049
00:51:51,199 --> 00:51:56,519
Speaker 3: To unprecedented success, so that that does lead into a

1050
00:51:56,679 --> 00:51:57,760
precedent of success.

1051
00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 4: That's that's what's words. It's a word.

1052
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,119
Speaker 3: That's that's from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty three. Right,

1053
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:09,159
would you say that football was was that its peak?

1054
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,679
Speaker 1: Did you follow the two thousand and four University of

1055
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,559
Utah team? I know, but two thousand and eight.

1056
00:52:13,559 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 4: This is the Rose Bulls consecutive right, Yeah?

1057
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:19,159
Speaker 1: They went on and lost the Rose Bowl. Yeah, yeah,

1058
00:52:19,199 --> 00:52:19,599
that's right.

1059
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:25,280
Speaker 4: You know what I mean he got he's got beating.

1060
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: Alabama the Sugar Bowl in two thousand and eight. Sorry,

1061
00:52:28,039 --> 00:52:28,639
I don't agree with that.

1062
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 4: This is from a Deseret news article from Jay Drew

1063
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:31,920
when he was covering the U Right.

1064
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: We're it's not important whatever. I don't I don't care.

1065
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:38,320
I don't care.

1066
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 5: So questionly, is what two years left on the contract

1067
00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:43,239
going into twenty twenty six twenty seven season?

1068
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,199
Speaker 1: Will he get an extension? Because you're close?

1069
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,519
Speaker 5: No way, you're you're close, like being like with these

1070
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:50,360
contracts like in through twenty twenty eight, you would have

1071
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:52,320
to think that this at the end of the season.

1072
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,960
Maybe what they're doing is they're waiting until the end

1073
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,559
of the season and then maybe you let him go

1074
00:52:56,639 --> 00:52:57,800
and then the buy out. I don't know what his

1075
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,880
body is, probably you know, one million or maybe two.

1076
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,159
You wait, because we're coming up on that. You said

1077
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:04,199
through twenty twenty eight. It's twenty twenty six.

1078
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,559
Speaker 1: I just thought about that. Does Mark Carlin have a

1079
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:09,679
doctor degree? I have no idea.

1080
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 4: I guess yes, they do.

1081
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,559
Speaker 1: Only call the University of Uta Athletic directors doctor.

1082
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 4: Doctor Chris Hill. Do you miss? Just do Utah fans

1083
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,199
miss doctor Chris Chris Hill? Right now?

1084
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:21,559
Speaker 1: I'd imagine.

1085
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 4: So, what what's your favorite moment, guys, go ahead.

1086
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: Favorite moment of no?

1087
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 4: No, What were you saying? Where were you what did

1088
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:30,559
I cut you off? No?

1089
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:31,639
Speaker 1: No, I go on.

1090
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: I was saying, I thought you're gonna who's most embarrassed

1091
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,880
by Mark Carlin's recent actions Utah fans, Utah administration, Brett,

1092
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:39,719
your Mark or other?

1093
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 5: Should be the administration, Ben, But from everything I've heard

1094
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:46,800
of interacting, Granted I'm not up on the hill, I'm

1095
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:47,719
not in the administration.

1096
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:49,079
Speaker 1: The fans.

1097
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 5: I just I've heard so much from the fan, Like

1098
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,199
I go back to the by U Utah basketball game,

1099
00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:57,239
I heard lots of comments about Mark Carlin and was

1100
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:58,320
not pleasant.

1101
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 4: And upset that online or finally like conceding, Well.

1102
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,199
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying, Like I think the fan base

1103
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,519
is like, yeah, it's over, Like I'm serious, Like my

1104
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:09,599
brother in law is like Harlan's worst than it would

1105
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,239
Scout is just like it's it's Harlan. It's hard, like

1106
00:54:12,639 --> 00:54:15,280
I don't respect like that is what's coming out that

1107
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:17,079
I'm seeing now is that people have an issue with

1108
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:19,719
the AD, not the head coach, not the new one,

1109
00:54:20,039 --> 00:54:22,639
the AD. And it's just again, it's the fans that

1110
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:24,599
I think are the most embarrassed right now. But it

1111
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:26,519
should be the Utah administration.

1112
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 4: Uh, Alex Markham.

1113
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 3: We've had him on the show before. I think he's

1114
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,519
represented two four seven rivals. He's a part of ut

1115
00:54:33,639 --> 00:54:36,519
nation dot com. He says, maybe this is an unpopular opinion,

1116
00:54:36,599 --> 00:54:39,400
but the days of walking on eggshells for eighteen year

1117
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,519
old Division one athletes is a thing of the past,

1118
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,559
ever since they started getting paid six to seven figures.

1119
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 4: Tell me I'm wrong, So.

1120
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,599
Speaker 3: It's okay for an ad Okay, Yeah, go ahead, Yeah, yeah,

1121
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:50,119
there you go.

1122
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,079
Speaker 1: That's that's a good way to deal with it. Why

1123
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,000
is Klaue Satake killing the transfer portal? Think about that?

1124
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:57,679
Speaker 4: I love this man.

1125
00:54:57,719 --> 00:55:00,199
Speaker 1: I love say they think about why white people come

1126
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,239
back to Klonie Satake. Do you think it's just a

1127
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:08,599
coincidence Klannie comports him. Do you think Klonie Sataki would

1128
00:55:08,599 --> 00:55:10,840
ever make it rip on an eighteen year old kid? Ever?

1129
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 3: No, Oh, the fact that you fans are trying to

1130
00:55:16,039 --> 00:55:18,400
argue that this should be just commonplace though, like that

1131
00:55:18,559 --> 00:55:19,039
checks out.

1132
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,119
Speaker 1: I need I need to and I know Alex I've

1133
00:55:22,159 --> 00:55:24,679
had many many conversations with Alex. I need to start

1134
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,559
arguing with them on Twitter because that's not a good

1135
00:55:26,599 --> 00:55:27,599
comment by Alex Mark.

1136
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:30,639
Speaker 4: It doesn't doesn't shock you though, because it doesn't shock me.

1137
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: That's not that's not a good comment. I'm gonna call

1138
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,480
him out. That's what I'm gonna do. It's it's see.

1139
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:37,440
But if I do that, then I'll just get hordes

1140
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,360
of fans just on me. No, I'm not gonna do

1141
00:55:41,679 --> 00:55:43,719
I'm not gonna go I just I just look at

1142
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:44,000
it like this.

1143
00:55:44,119 --> 00:55:46,719
Speaker 5: Let's take it a step further to on the field play, right, See,

1144
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,320
Alex will own it and he's good to talk to.

1145
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,000
Speaker 1: But well, yeah, but you're gonna have to deal with

1146
00:55:50,039 --> 00:55:52,440
the repercussions of other people. But then I go back

1147
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:52,639
to this.

1148
00:55:52,800 --> 00:55:55,559
Speaker 5: Remember when Zach Wilson, you know, and throws the pick

1149
00:55:55,639 --> 00:55:57,519
in the game, you know, and what does what does

1150
00:55:57,559 --> 00:56:00,679
Jeff Grimes do? Comes over, puts THEE armor and they

1151
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,599
have a conversation about it. Very moment that when viral

1152
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:06,079
people looked at it was talked about, caught me off guard.

1153
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,639
That's why BYU is thriving even and you know that

1154
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,920
was under Kalonnie. That that's what the culture is. That's

1155
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,000
going back further man, you know, and that's why BYU

1156
00:56:15,159 --> 00:56:16,559
is what it is. And I think where Utah is

1157
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:19,360
probably downslid because you got rid of Kyle Whittingham, who

1158
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,599
I thought brought a great culture. And now you're at

1159
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:23,920
this point because you want to call eighteen year olds

1160
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,079
out like you your ad so upset and so so mad,

1161
00:56:27,159 --> 00:56:28,760
and now you have a guy saying well because they

1162
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,039
make the amount of money, like, that's not how it goes,

1163
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:31,559
like I've.

1164
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 4: Never seen the like.

1165
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,119
Speaker 5: Imagine if you know, you just if a parent just

1166
00:56:37,639 --> 00:56:41,039
ripped their kid during an athletic event, rather than pulling

1167
00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:42,719
them aside, you know and talking the right way, we'd

1168
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,840
be like, Okay, everyone's gonna side eye that person. And

1169
00:56:46,199 --> 00:56:47,639
I think it's the same thing that's going on right

1170
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:49,320
now in Utah. So I just bring up that moment

1171
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,400
because that just showed a lot in that moment on

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the field, and I think that just embodies of what

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BYU is and why they're winning and why Utah isn't.

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Speaker 1: It's because it's the exact opposite.

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Speaker 5: You're in your fields that a good player because jo

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under pressure, like Gurney says, leaves and rather than if

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you'd a quote tweet it, you know, even if he

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bretnd and I talked about this morning, said if you.

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Speaker 4: Would have just even says pain.

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Speaker 5: Oh my goodness, man, is like, can we stop losing

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to Michigan or whatever you feel? If you'd have gone

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that way and it had been funny, I'd have laughed

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at it, been like, you know what, I can't even blame.

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I might be upset too if I was in his position,

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But he makes it personal rather than you know, just

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in that.

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Speaker 4: Made the tweet again. Now, my problem with the tweet

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is that grammatically it doesn't even make sense.

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Speaker 1: That's all bad.

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Speaker 4: He had to have been just woken up or have

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been intoxicated when he wrote this. I can't understand again

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all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: What time was the tweet made?

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Speaker 4: So I let's see if I have a screenshot of.

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Speaker 1: It, let me see on so that that's gonna lead

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us to understand whether he was drinking Dan. I think

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it goes away.

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Speaker 4: After well, comma he was.

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Speaker 3: He was with us in class for a parentheses last week,

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public announcement.

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Speaker 4: Seen it all now probably not? And then the grammar

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and the parentheses are all over.

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Speaker 1: You don't need to be grammatically correct on Twitter.

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Speaker 4: But like it doesn't it doesn't coo grammatically correct you're

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gonna come from? Does it make.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't like to capitalize anything. But it doesn't make sense. Man,

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that's the problem. It's not coherent. Can you tell me

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what that You're right, it's not a good So you're

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an athletic director, you have a master's degree.

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Speaker 4: You can use grammar, all right.

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Speaker 1: I tried to. That was my one time trying to

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defend Mark Harlan, and I failed spectacular Yeah, thank you

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Brett Hammer for bringing the hammer down on me.

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Speaker 4: He always brings the down on everybody. Why do you

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gotta be why I'm trying to hammer time?

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Speaker 1: Man?

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Speaker 4: Why do you get to be so mean? Bro?

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Speaker 1: I was trying to be diplomatic, so I got to

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be so Mark Harlan didn't work so critical.

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Speaker 4: I don't say so, Mark Harland, that is that is

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not what's happening.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, Break, you don't messing. That is not what's happening.

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