Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBS Boston's Radio.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Anne Paul pro one of my favorite people.
Speaker 2: Joining us see from Patriot Football Weekly WBC's Nightside, Gary
Speaker 2: Tangling for Dan Ray. Uh so, what do you think
Speaker 2: about Trump, Paul Paulie, I gotta tell you, I am
Speaker 2: I We're gonna talk football, We're gonna talk about the
Speaker 2: entire NFL. But I just I don't watch politics and
Speaker 2: I'm here, I am on WBC Radio, and that's the
Speaker 2: last thing I should probably be saying. And I just
Speaker 2: had two great conversations with people that do it, but
Speaker 2: like I can't after the election, I just can't do it.
Speaker 2: I'm just I get a migraine.
Speaker 3: It was tiring, I have to The election season was
Speaker 3: very tiring. I'll tell you that. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 3: the most Yeah, I'm not the most political guy either,
Speaker 3: but you know, obviously it's you know, it's a pretty
Speaker 3: relevant election and uh and it was. It was a
Speaker 3: lot going through. It was a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, you're a smart guy. You know, you're
Speaker 2: well d you know what's going on. And I'm not
Speaker 2: going to ask you who you voted for or anything
Speaker 2: like that, but I mean, it was just nuts. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's definitely an exhaustion. And now when people say, oh
Speaker 2: the God Trump won, it's the end of the world.
Speaker 2: It's not the end of the world. We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 2: Everything is going to be fine. It's not the end
Speaker 2: of the world. Jesus.
Speaker 3: Yeah, God, there's a lot of overreactions on both sides.
Speaker 3: That's a big part of the problem.
Speaker 2: That is a major part of the problem. So Paul, Paul,
Speaker 2: how are you doing this season? Because you've been with
Speaker 2: the Patriots f I first met you when you were
Speaker 2: with the Herald. How long have you been with the
Speaker 2: Patriots and Patriots dot com?
Speaker 3: Yeah, since nineteen ninety nine. You know, Pete Carroll's last
Speaker 3: year's is I think the twenty sixth season, and you
Speaker 3: know you're asking, you know, how we're doing. It's you know, listen,
Speaker 3: people aren't going to be holding any you know, gofundmes
Speaker 3: or anything for us. But it's been a different season
Speaker 3: than a difficult one. You know, they haven't played well.
Speaker 3: They haven't played well for the last couple of seasons.
Speaker 3: And you know, right now, you come off a game
Speaker 3: like like yesterday's and you know, it just doesn't really
Speaker 3: seem like there's as much of a light at the
Speaker 3: end of the tunnel beyond Drake May and and obviously
Speaker 3: that's not enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can get into the extras and os and
Speaker 2: all that stuff, but I mean, what's you're feeling when
Speaker 2: you walk around town or you know, do people care
Speaker 2: like they used to? Is there is there a hatred
Speaker 2: or I shouldn't even say a hatred because the Red Sox,
Speaker 2: when the Red Sox would lose, people would just go bananas,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, I don't get that same type of
Speaker 2: feeling with the Pats.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it is either. You know, there
Speaker 3: was nothing kind of like that, you know, that Red
Speaker 3: Sox doom. But I would say it's not a hatred.
Speaker 3: I think it's more of just a disappointment and a
Speaker 3: frustration right now with you know, you saw how good
Speaker 3: it could be for so long and now I think
Speaker 3: people are just looking at it as you know, it's
Speaker 3: almost hopeless right now, and there's just not a lot
Speaker 3: of things going well. You know, I think there's some
Speaker 3: there's some questions out the you know, the the newness
Speaker 3: of everything, the new regime, and you know, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of first year there's a lot of first year
Speaker 3: guys doing things for the first time, so there's growing
Speaker 3: pains that come with that, and you know, I think
Speaker 3: there's a lot of frustration on the fans part. I
Speaker 3: don't necessarily sense a lot of hatred. I just think,
Speaker 3: you know, the Dolphins game in particular, I thought was
Speaker 3: kind of just sort of a very frustrat I think
Speaker 3: people felt like they were beyond those kinds of performances.
Speaker 3: You know, they they hadn't gotten to the point where
Speaker 3: they were a playoff contender or anything like that. But
Speaker 3: I think you watched that, you know, the they beat
Speaker 3: the Jets, they beat the Bears, you know, in between
Speaker 3: they had a game against you know who was it,
Speaker 3: the Rams that you know obviously went down to the
Speaker 3: last possession of the game, and I think people felt like, Okay,
Speaker 3: well they're competing, they're showing some signs of life. Offensively,
Speaker 3: you could see a track where they were they were
Speaker 3: getting toward respectability, and I think a lot of that
Speaker 3: took a huge step backwards down in South Florida on
Speaker 3: Sunday and it wasn't overly competitive, and I think there's
Speaker 3: a lot of frustration over that.
Speaker 2: Well, this is what I think when I was watching
Speaker 2: the game is for the first time since I'm gonna
Speaker 2: say before, look, I remember Rod Rust.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately I do too, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean I remember Rod Rust and Sam was the
Speaker 2: GM from the University of Miami. I forgot his last name,
Speaker 2: and then yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, and then Dick McPherson
Speaker 2: is like, you know, and I'm not talking about losers
Speaker 2: like losers like losing games. I'm just talking about I
Speaker 2: looked at that team on Sunday and I thought, Okay,
Speaker 2: these guys are just like losers. I mean losers, losers,
Speaker 2: like do you even care? Can you even put in
Speaker 2: an effort? I saw a team that quit. I think
Speaker 2: the offensive line is just ill equipped. I mean fifty
Speaker 2: nine whoever hell that guy's name is. I mean, in
Speaker 2: the old days, he would have been gone. I mean
Speaker 2: he three penalties off the top, and you know, but
Speaker 2: the defense, I just thought that they quit. And that's
Speaker 2: when I say, like, like, losers like these are not
Speaker 2: at the level I think of dedication that we're accustomed
Speaker 2: to for a Patriot player. I mean, look, you know,
Speaker 2: you can have guys that aren't talented, but there was
Speaker 2: always an effort. I mean Russ Holstein is not a
Speaker 2: pro bowler, but you know there are guys that just
Speaker 2: got buy on effort. I didn't even see that pole.
Speaker 3: That's that. I mean, there was And that's part of
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about with the frustration level. And I
Speaker 3: don't know necessarily that it was effort as much as
Speaker 3: it was just poor play, you know, and certainly the
Speaker 3: discipline and whatnot has been lacking to focus, the attention
Speaker 3: to detail. Too many penalties, too many pre snap penalties.
Speaker 3: You said the thing, you know, fifty nine, you're talking
Speaker 3: about Venerian Low. He's really I mean, he really struggled yesterday.
Speaker 3: He had a just a bad game. When he wasn't
Speaker 3: jumping off side, he was given up pressure on the outside.
Speaker 3: So it was not it was not good enough in
Speaker 3: any really in any phase of the game. And defensively
Speaker 3: they just had no answers. So I think that's where
Speaker 3: the frustration comes in. You're not really competitive on either
Speaker 3: side of the ball against a four and sixteen, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's not like Miami came in at you know
Speaker 3: ten and one detroit lyons that are you know, running
Speaker 3: rough shot over everybody. This was a team that that was,
Speaker 3: you know, sort of a middler, and they made you
Speaker 3: look like you were you were really one of the
Speaker 3: bottom teams.
Speaker 2: I mean the quarterback is average at best.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he's not average against the Patriots in his career.
Speaker 2: I mean I looked at the seven and O, I said,
Speaker 2: you've got to be kiddyy. First of all, I feel
Speaker 2: bad for the guy. I don't think he should play.
Speaker 2: I think he's not going to know what he is
Speaker 2: when he's forty, and I wish he wouldn't play. But
Speaker 2: that's a whole other story. That's obviously his decision and
Speaker 2: how he makes a living. But look for that guy
Speaker 2: to light you up. I mean, that's it. That's just embarrassing.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just so. Here's my thing, though, is
Speaker 2: you know, and I listen. I know they're on another company,
Speaker 2: but you know, I'm listening to Mike and Tony and
Speaker 2: all of my old cronies there in sports radio, and
Speaker 2: they got a job to do, like they like, they
Speaker 2: keep telling you it's today, Paul. We have to do
Speaker 2: a show today, Paul, we have a show today. Here's
Speaker 2: my thing. I'm very patient, and after leaving the business
Speaker 2: full time, I'm a much kinder and gentler person. I
Speaker 2: was never I'm so relaxed. I gotta be honest with you,
Speaker 2: I really am. I don't miss any of it. I
Speaker 2: don't miss having to try to come up with a
Speaker 2: come up with a a confrontation, if you will, or
Speaker 2: a controversy. I just believe what really screwed them is
Speaker 2: Belichick left the cover dry. I mean, if you go
Speaker 2: back and you look at what Bill did after Brady left,
Speaker 2: they just and obviously he got in a pisson match
Speaker 2: because he didn't like the quarterback right, and then he
Speaker 2: put his guys in his offensive coordinators. And I just
Speaker 2: think it's going to take time to recover from the
Speaker 2: mess that Bill left.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think there's a lot of truth
Speaker 3: to that. Listen, the roster is what it is, and
Speaker 3: and a lot of the roster problems fall on Belichick
Speaker 3: because of quite frankly, some very poor drafting over the
Speaker 3: last you know, call it eight or ten years. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: and it's and it's just it's the reason one of
Speaker 3: the one of the biggest reasons obviously the biggest reason
Speaker 3: is Tom Brady, but one of the biggest reasons they
Speaker 3: were able to staining what they did for so long
Speaker 3: was just year after year of being able to replace
Speaker 3: guys in the draft with comparable or at times better players.
Speaker 3: You know, you're able to plug in, you know, Nate
Speaker 3: Solder is a first round pick for Matt Light and
Speaker 3: you're able to you know, just sort of keep the
Speaker 3: train moving in the right direction. And that I could
Speaker 3: give you that example at twenty different spots over the years,
Speaker 3: you know, just finding a Logan Mankins to put on
Speaker 3: the offensive line prout of the first round, you know,
Speaker 3: and replacing guys who go you know, go on to
Speaker 3: separate ways. And they just haven't been able to do
Speaker 3: that in the last let's call it seven years. They
Speaker 3: consistently have missed on draft picks and that's really set
Speaker 3: them back, and that falls on Belichick. He was in
Speaker 3: charge of all of that. The roster right now is
Speaker 3: really lacking in a lot of different areas. That's the
Speaker 3: one silver lining. You know, we talked about this on
Speaker 3: our post game show yesterday. The one silver lining to
Speaker 3: being a team in the situation that they're in is
Speaker 3: that you're going to have a top five picks. It's
Speaker 3: really advantageous to be able to pick absolutely anything. And
Speaker 3: the only thing that they will not be looking for
Speaker 3: in the top five is a quarterback, right, because they are.
Speaker 3: You know, obviously they just took one. But you can
Speaker 3: really do the old adage and a lot I know
Speaker 3: a lot of teams say they like to said, well
Speaker 3: we take the best player available. A lot of teams
Speaker 3: say that. Most of them don't necessarily mean it. You
Speaker 3: take the best player at the position that you need
Speaker 3: the most, right, and that's not always the same thing. Well,
Speaker 3: the Patriots can legitimately take the best player because it
Speaker 3: almost has to be at a position of need. I
Speaker 3: mean whether it's offensive tackle, wide receiver, cornerback, edge rusher, linebacker.
Speaker 3: I mean, they need a lot of stuff. And as
Speaker 3: you said, Gary, it all stems from the roster that
Speaker 3: was left behind by Belichick and there's just not enough talent.
Speaker 2: I remember the great Clark Booth. I remember this interview
Speaker 2: when he said, and he went across the board, he
Speaker 2: went the Bruins, Harry Sindon got old, Celtics Red got old. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I don't want to listen. At this stage of
Speaker 2: my life, I've been victimized by agism. I'm not I
Speaker 2: don't want to go crazy on this, but Bill obviously
Speaker 2: did not put the same attention to d tail into
Speaker 2: drafting or rely on his people the way he did
Speaker 2: in the past. That's just a fact. He just wanted,
Speaker 2: you know, he listened. He from what I heard that
Speaker 2: he didn't listen to his people, that he would listen
Speaker 2: to people from other organizations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I do think he sort of started
Speaker 3: to fall into sort of going off of some of
Speaker 3: his trusted coaches. You know, he would go to Alabama
Speaker 3: with Nick Saban, he'd go Florida, you know, to other
Speaker 3: you know, to other urban Meyer back, yes, at Florida,
Speaker 3: And that's how he would do a lot of his
Speaker 3: his evaluations. He would take the you know, the opinions
Speaker 3: of guys that he trusted and run with him. And
Speaker 3: that's where some of the missteps came from. Now, that
Speaker 3: doesn't explain it all away either. I mean, I just
Speaker 3: feel like there were probably a lot of sort of
Speaker 3: questionable picks over the years that didn't really come back
Speaker 3: and hurt them as much because Tom Brady was was
Speaker 3: here to kind of make everything look better, and you know,
Speaker 3: when he left, I think that exposed a lot of
Speaker 3: things and I think quite frankly, Belichick was one of them.
Speaker 3: You know, I think he's a great coach. I maintained
Speaker 3: that even last year, you know, going four and thirteen.
Speaker 3: I never just said to myself, boy, this guy just
Speaker 3: can't coach at all. I think that looking back, it
Speaker 3: probably had a little bit more to do with Brady
Speaker 3: than any of us thought at the time. But you
Speaker 3: can't just ignore it. Like the personnel decisions were awful,
Speaker 3: I think some of the free agent decisions were awful,
Speaker 3: and you know, the decisions to let guys go and
Speaker 3: whatnot that weren't always the right ones. It's not an
Speaker 3: easy thing to do what they did for twenty years.
Speaker 3: You know, it sounds like we're beating them up now,
Speaker 3: but what they did for twenty years is very hard
Speaker 3: to repeat. And you know, that's why people are looking
Speaker 3: at Kansas City right now, because you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: they're on their way to about what a decade or
Speaker 3: so of that, and they're not even halfway there. They're
Speaker 3: not even halfway there to what the Patriots did. And
Speaker 3: that's why I think people are so enamored with Andy
Speaker 3: Reid and Patrick Mahomes right now, because they're wondering, can
Speaker 3: they possibly do anything that would approach what Belichick.
Speaker 2: And Brady did well. Andy Reid was a bust until
Speaker 2: he got the quarterback, and so wasn't Belichick. All right, Paul,
Speaker 2: can you hang on? I got a couple more questions
Speaker 2: for you.
Speaker 3: Sure?
Speaker 2: Okay, Paul Parola joining us here from Patriots dot Com.
Speaker 2: You're on WBZ, Gary Tangwayne from Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, Paul Parolo joining us here from Patriots dot Com.
Speaker 2: Gary Tangway for Dan tonight. I want to talk about
Speaker 2: Mayo the coach. And this is one of the benefits
Speaker 2: of not being in the media every day, Paul, is
Speaker 2: that I can sit there and say I want him
Speaker 2: to be the coach because I like him. I think
Speaker 2: he's a nice man. I love him. I love Gerard Mayo.
Speaker 2: I worked with him, you were you know, we all
Speaker 2: worked with them out of you know, Comcast and an
Speaker 2: NBC Sports Boston. He's a wonderful person. He's a great guy.
Speaker 2: I want him to win. How long of it? How
Speaker 2: long can he last?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So, I mean I think there's a lot of
Speaker 3: suit to that. I think that we all sort of
Speaker 3: enjoy uh, you know, talking to him the processes is
Speaker 3: much more enjoyable with him than it was with Bill.
Speaker 3: But ultimately, none of that's gonna matter. He can't coach,
Speaker 3: and you know, I think that clearly, you know, the
Speaker 3: Crafts have made a commitment to him, So you know,
Speaker 3: I think that it's you know, a ridiculous long shot
Speaker 3: to expect him to be in trouble now. But how long,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know. If there's no sign if
Speaker 3: we're sitting at this time next year and there's no
Speaker 3: signs of improvement, then you're gonna you're gonna have some
Speaker 3: decisions to make because you can't just keep going down
Speaker 3: that road. But right now, I think that they believe
Speaker 3: in girod MAO. I agree with your assessment of him.
Speaker 3: From a personal standpoint. I enjoy sort of talking to
Speaker 3: him a little bit and covering him more so. But
Speaker 3: bottom line is it's a results oriented business. He says
Speaker 3: it all the time, and if they don't start winning games,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter how nice of a guy he is.
Speaker 2: Well, I know that he was doing well in the
Speaker 2: business world, did very well, and I know some people
Speaker 2: that worked with him. He was working for various corporations,
Speaker 2: and when he went back as a coach, I wanted
Speaker 2: to tell him, are you are of your mind? Are
Speaker 2: you out of your mind? Because he was well on
Speaker 2: his way to doing well financially in the corporate world.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you're right, but it's a thing, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a bug. They got to do it. But it
Speaker 2: seems to me he became head coach too early. I mean,
Speaker 2: this happened ahead a schedule.
Speaker 3: Correct, Well, I think it did. And you know, our
Speaker 3: buddy Tom Kurran has said that often that I think
Speaker 3: that the plan was for Bill to stick around for
Speaker 3: another year and then transfer it, you know that way.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe if he had won enough games to have
Speaker 3: you know, gotten that record, then maybe they would have revisited.
Speaker 3: But the way that it all unfolded, I would say,
Speaker 3: is a year ahead of time, no question.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how we can judge him. And
Speaker 2: also what kind of control did he had him on
Speaker 2: hiring the staff, We don't know was it He is
Speaker 2: called with the offensive coordinator. He often refers to the
Speaker 2: offense as a whole, separate part of the team. He's
Speaker 2: a defensive minded coach. He was a terrific player as
Speaker 2: a linebacker, but the defense sucks. And then you know,
Speaker 2: some of my friends have been getting on the front
Speaker 2: office and I'm like, look, chill on the front office here.
Speaker 2: They've only had one draft. So I don't know how
Speaker 2: you can judge Girod Mayo right now. I don't know
Speaker 2: how you can't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I mean, listen, it's one year in
Speaker 3: and not even one full year in. But I mean,
Speaker 3: I will say the stuff that has happened so far
Speaker 3: is not overly promising, you know, and that starts with
Speaker 3: the off season. They had some money to spend in
Speaker 3: free agency, and they chose to spend the majority of
Speaker 3: it on resigning their own guys, and you know, I
Speaker 3: think that you could question some of the moves that
Speaker 3: they made. And then you look at the draft, and
Speaker 3: certainly Drake may looks you know, really promising is the
Speaker 3: third overall pick, and then you'd be hard pressed to
Speaker 3: find another pick right now that falls into this promising category.
Speaker 3: So so far, you know, with Mayo and wolfs that,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't think it's looked great. I think
Speaker 3: that you look at the offensive line and realize they
Speaker 3: really didn't even attempt to sign a tackle, A left
Speaker 3: tackle is you know, it doesn't exist on the roster,
Speaker 3: So I think that was a misstep. So if you're
Speaker 3: going to bring in a young quarterback and ask him
Speaker 3: to play but yet not really address the offensive line,
Speaker 3: I think there's a flaw in that approach. And we've
Speaker 3: seen it. You know, we saw it especially yesterday with
Speaker 3: with the you know, with May running around, and we've
Speaker 3: seen it a lot. He's run for his life and
Speaker 3: I think he's got seven starts now under his belt,
Speaker 3: and the vast majority of those he has spent avoiding
Speaker 3: pressure and trying to run around making plays with his
Speaker 3: legs as much as he has with his arms. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean it's one year. I'm not ready to pull
Speaker 3: the plug on it, but it hasn't been off to
Speaker 3: a promising start.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about May. The interception at the end of
Speaker 2: the game, Well, in the fourth quarter, I think with
Speaker 2: about five minutes to go, looked like they maybe could
Speaker 2: get back into the situation. Was very frustrating. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, the guy who was under attack all
Speaker 2: day and he was just trying to make a play.
Speaker 2: Can we survive? I mean, look, it's obvious he can
Speaker 2: be a good NFL quarterback, all right, and he's better.
Speaker 2: He's a good player. I think we all can see that.
Speaker 2: How good he's going to be I have no idea,
Speaker 2: but he's a really good player. Can he survive the rebuild?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's I think he's certainly a very talented guy
Speaker 3: who has the ability to make throws and make plays
Speaker 3: at a high level. We've seen it already in bits
Speaker 3: and pieces. He's going to have to develop. He's going
Speaker 3: to have to cut down on the turnovers, you know,
Speaker 3: for sure. I think he's got twelve turnovers.
Speaker 2: Were letting him off the hook with that again, because
Speaker 2: a lot of the times we'll say, well it's you know,
Speaker 2: he's a rookie, doesn't have any help.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I would look at turnovers in different ways,
Speaker 3: Like you know, yesterday the game, I thought the turnovers
Speaker 3: were irrelevant. Yesterday, as an example, they were down thirty
Speaker 3: they were down thirty one nothing. They hadn't turned the
Speaker 3: ball over at all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they couldn't stop anybody, you know.
Speaker 3: So they couldn't stop them, and they couldn't move the ball.
Speaker 3: They're in the fourth quarter, down thirty one nothing, they're
Speaker 3: no turnovers. So I just look at this as you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's sort of part of part of the maturation
Speaker 3: process for a young quarterback. He's got to learn, you know,
Speaker 3: late and you know they're in the second half. He's
Speaker 3: desperately trying to fight to make plays. The stripsack can't happen.
Speaker 3: That's a bad, bad play by Drake May trying to
Speaker 3: almost use a swim move with the ball in his
Speaker 3: hand and going over the top. That's that's just recklessness
Speaker 3: with the ball. And that's not going to work at
Speaker 3: any level. So he's going to have to learn when
Speaker 3: he can and can't try to make those plays and try.
Speaker 3: I don't not do too much. The turnovers are a problem.
Speaker 3: He's got too Manch. I think he's got seven picks
Speaker 3: and five fumbles, you know, in the games that he started. Again.
Speaker 3: I don't put all of them on him. I think
Speaker 3: there's there's been a problem with the protection first and foremost.
Speaker 3: And I don't think the offensive I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: think the offensive skill position guys you know, have been
Speaker 3: great either. I don't think the guys has done a
Speaker 3: whole lot. I don't think they've done a whole lot
Speaker 3: to help him out. However, all that said, I watched
Speaker 3: the first three quarters yesterday and that's about as ordinary
Speaker 3: as May has looked. So he's going to have to
Speaker 3: get better.
Speaker 2: Four interceptions by Tom Brady. I remember that when in Denver. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it happened me. Brady had some stinkers, but
Speaker 2: obviously he had a team around him that could support him,
Speaker 2: and May just doesn't have that. But I'm worried about
Speaker 2: the guy being shell shocked and having his career ruined.
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 2: Am I being too dramatic?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a little Gary Tangway dramatic.
Speaker 2: You know, Gary Tangway doesn't do that anymore.
Speaker 3: I don't do that anymore, But I will say this,
Speaker 3: tanger you know, some of the stuff I saw yesterday,
Speaker 3: it is kind of concerning along those lines. I thought
Speaker 3: he did look like a guy who was trying to
Speaker 3: do too much and you know, sort of getting affected
Speaker 3: by what was around him. You know, the protection wasn't
Speaker 3: holding up, and there were times that he was sort
Speaker 3: of assuming that the pressure that the protection wouldn't hold up,
Speaker 3: and he was taken off. So absolutely, I you know,
Speaker 3: is there a fear that you know, his his development
Speaker 3: gets stunted a little bit? By the lack of talent
Speaker 3: around him. Yeah, that's got to be a concern. I
Speaker 3: don't necessarily worry about it right now, but you know,
Speaker 3: it's something to keep an eye on. I don't think
Speaker 3: he looked as good yesterday as he did certainly the
Speaker 3: week before against the Rams. I said, I would say
Speaker 3: the Rams is the best game that he's played so far,
Speaker 3: and I would say yesterday was the worst.
Speaker 2: Paula, I need you for one more segment. I want
Speaker 2: to talk about the rest of the NFL. Are you good?
Speaker 3: All right? All right, I'll tell you. You're killing me.
Speaker 2: You're killing please. Oh my god, I'm overworking him, Paul Perillo.
Speaker 2: We're gonna work him one more, one more segment about
Speaker 2: the rest of the NFL after this on WBC's Night Side.
Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Ray on w Boston's news Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's got to go to bed soon. Paul Perillo,
Speaker 2: here with us the rest of the NFL. So Dan Campbell,
Speaker 2: I remember when this guy was a joke with the Dolphins,
Speaker 2: right and we thought when he took it, when the
Speaker 2: Lions hired him, what are they doing? And here we.
Speaker 3: Are now they're the best team in football and.
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for him. I'm I have to. I'm rooting
Speaker 2: for him. Look, Kansas City's great. Somebody said to me
Speaker 2: the other day. My wife was like, you know, Mahomes,
Speaker 2: he's perfect. I go, he is. He's just a great guy.
Speaker 2: But I'm rooting for the Lions.
Speaker 3: It's hard not to. You know, it's an organization that
Speaker 3: has really not had any success, and now you know,
Speaker 3: they're sitting at ten and one, and they have been
Speaker 3: there before, and they have as good a chance as
Speaker 3: anybody to get it done. With Campbell, you know, I
Speaker 3: still don't necessarily believe in him, But no, I don't,
Speaker 3: and I really think yeah, And I think he cost
Speaker 3: his team a trip to the Super Bowl last year,
Speaker 3: to be honest with you, with some of the decisions
Speaker 3: that he made. I thought he was emotional in the
Speaker 3: NFC Championship Game and the hottest team in unnecessary trouble.
Speaker 3: But I do think he does a great job of
Speaker 3: motivating the team. I think that he is obviously cut
Speaker 3: in a mold where his team plays in that style.
Speaker 3: It's the old cliche of sometimes teams take on the
Speaker 3: personality of their coach, and I think the Lions certainly
Speaker 3: fit that they have a physical, run oriented offense that
Speaker 3: can also throw the ball, and they're starting to get
Speaker 3: better and better on defense. But yeah, I think it's
Speaker 3: the talent on the roster that they've done a great
Speaker 3: job of assembling. And at the same time, I think
Speaker 3: they have really good coordinators, particularly on offense with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3: I think they have one of the most imaginative and
Speaker 3: versatile offenses in football. And I think the record shows.
Speaker 2: Is this the year Buffalo kicks the door in.
Speaker 3: You know, it's funny. I don't think this is as
Speaker 3: talented a Buffalo team as we've seen, but Josh Allen
Speaker 3: just plays at a different level. And I just I'm
Speaker 3: I'm such a believer in him. And I saw him
Speaker 3: come into Foxborough as a rookie and he was so raw,
Speaker 3: and he got so much criticism because he was so
Speaker 3: wild with some of his throws. But I looked at
Speaker 3: him and I just said, you know, this guy is
Speaker 3: really he has unbelievable skills and you could see it
Speaker 3: even when he wasn't ready to play as a rookie.
Speaker 3: And to see where he is now and you know
Speaker 3: he's still you know, it is susceptible to a mistake
Speaker 3: here or there, but he's really cut back on the interceptions.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know if you watched any of
Speaker 3: that Kansas City game, you know, last week, but you know,
Speaker 3: he just he just turns into Superman, you know, when
Speaker 3: he needs it. And you know, it's a fourth and two,
Speaker 3: they're up by two, and they know a field goal
Speaker 3: is not going to do him much good. To make
Speaker 3: it five and give the Mahomes the ball back and
Speaker 3: he just takes the ball and he runs for the
Speaker 3: first down and he just wasn't going to be denied.
Speaker 3: He ends up in the end zone, putting that game away.
Speaker 3: And yeah, is this the year they pushed the door down?
Speaker 3: I give them is as good a shot as anybody.
Speaker 3: I mean, Kansas City, it's hard to bet against them
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. I think Baltimore is extremely talented, especially
Speaker 3: on offense, but for whatever reason they've been struggling. It's
Speaker 3: it's going to be one of those three teams in
Speaker 3: my mind. And yeah, I mean why not Buffalo.
Speaker 2: Well, when I look at Kansas City and the fact
Speaker 2: that they, you know, snuck out a win this past week,
Speaker 2: are they on borrowed time?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they kind of look a little like
Speaker 3: the Patriots sort of toward the end, you know, like
Speaker 3: that last title they had. Any team, you know, there
Speaker 3: was a lot of games that you sort of looked
Speaker 3: and said, like, I'm not sure this team has it
Speaker 3: this year, but you know who's going to bet against
Speaker 3: them in an important game. And that's the way I
Speaker 3: look at Kansas City, And as long as you have
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes, I think you have a good chance to
Speaker 3: win the game. I think they're well coached, and the
Speaker 3: defense is really good too. Now it didn't play all
Speaker 3: that great yesterday against Carolina, but you know, they look
Speaker 3: a little bit like a team that sort of knows
Speaker 3: where they're going to be in January and they're kind
Speaker 3: of just playing these games out. We need to win
Speaker 3: enough of these games to get where we need to go.
Speaker 3: But they have a look of sort of one of
Speaker 3: those teams that's ready to turn it on and off.
Speaker 3: They played a lot of football garry the last couple
Speaker 3: of years. We saw that were on the Patriots as well,
Speaker 3: right when they were winning titles and going to Super
Speaker 3: Bowls every year. I think that's a hard road when
Speaker 3: you're playing all that extra football trying to three peat now,
Speaker 3: I think there's a reason why no one's ever done it.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't bet against them, but I don't feel overly
Speaker 3: confident even though their ten and one.
Speaker 2: Also, you know, is Reid going to coach forever or
Speaker 2: we keep hearing that maybe Belichick is waiting in the wings.
Speaker 3: Now Belichick's not going to Kansas City, stopped stop it.
Speaker 3: Andy Reid is going to coach that team. And I
Speaker 3: think at least through Mahomes his prime. That's I mean,
Speaker 3: I think that he is a really good He's a
Speaker 3: guy he dragged Donovan McNabb to four straight NFC title games,
Speaker 3: and I don't think Donovan McNabb is all that good.
Speaker 2: So we lead, we saw that.
Speaker 3: Against the Pats and Jacksonville exactly. You know, Andy Reid,
Speaker 3: I think is a is a really good coach. I
Speaker 3: think he's really adapted with the times. And I think
Speaker 3: that's some of the things that you would say, you
Speaker 3: know about Belichick is maybe he wasn't able to to
Speaker 3: sort of, you know, develop and change with the way
Speaker 3: the game has changed over the years. I think Andy
Speaker 3: Reid has I think he he coaches in a different style.
Speaker 3: He's by no means is he a player's coach. He's
Speaker 3: a he's a he runs a tough, tough training camp.
Speaker 3: But the player love playing for him and they win
Speaker 3: a lot. So I don't think he's going anywhere.
Speaker 2: Well, the Patriots are rebuilding. It seems that Pittsburgh always
Speaker 2: manages to stay in contention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm Pittsburgh. I've not been a believer in
Speaker 3: And if you listen to my show on the other
Speaker 3: station that you were talking about, right, I heard you
Speaker 3: guys talking about Yeah Felders always making fun of me
Speaker 3: about that. And you know, I just don't think they're
Speaker 3: all that good. Now. I give them credit for finding
Speaker 3: ways to win games. I think Mike Tomlin is very good.
Speaker 3: I think he's an excellent coach, and he's able to
Speaker 3: generally beat the bad teams and find a way to
Speaker 3: get enough wins that he's relevant. But I just don't
Speaker 3: look at them as a threat to win, you know,
Speaker 3: in the in the playoffs. I don't think that they're
Speaker 3: as good as Kansas City or Buffalo or Baltimore, and
Speaker 3: I would not give them much of a shot against
Speaker 3: any of those teams.
Speaker 2: Polly, where did Minnesota come from?
Speaker 3: You know, there's another guy. I think that doesn't get
Speaker 3: much and Kevin O'Connell about how good he is. But
Speaker 3: I think he's an exceptional offensive coach. I think he's
Speaker 3: got Brian Flores in now to run a very aggressive defense.
Speaker 3: And again, you know, the thing is about this league,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, Gary, is that I don't think there
Speaker 3: are a lot of good teams.
Speaker 2: So I agree with you.
Speaker 3: The chances are you play. You play a schedule where
Speaker 3: you're gonna have ten or twelve games that you should
Speaker 3: be able to win if you're reasonably well coached and
Speaker 3: have a reasonable amount of talent. I would say Minnesota qualifies.
Speaker 3: You know, they have a veteran quarterback in Sam Donald,
Speaker 3: who obviously has some ability as a former number three
Speaker 3: overall pick. You have justin Jefferson, Jordan Adison, received TJ.
Speaker 3: Hawkins in the tight end. You know they they have
Speaker 3: talent on the roster offensively, and then you have an
Speaker 3: aggressive defense that goes out and makes plays and you play.
Speaker 3: You know, you beat Chicago, and you know you beat
Speaker 3: a couple of teams that you probably should be and
Speaker 3: you know, before you know what, you look up and
Speaker 3: you're nine to two and you're like, well, have you
Speaker 3: be anybody any good. It doesn't matter. You don't play
Speaker 3: anybody that's all that good.
Speaker 2: I agreed, agreed you No, at the.
Speaker 3: End of at the end of the day, I think
Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh of the of the NFC. To be honest
Speaker 3: with you, the Vikings, I don't think they're all that good.
Speaker 3: I don't think they'll stack up against the Philadelphia or
Speaker 3: Detroit in a playoff game. But you know what, nine
Speaker 3: and two is nine and two. I can't I can't
Speaker 3: say that they haven't won any games, because that's a
Speaker 3: pretty good record.
Speaker 2: Paul, thanks for coming on. I really appreciate it. Paul Parolo,
Speaker 2: the Great Paul Parolosunshine dot com.
Speaker 3: Ch just mean I get to go back and watch
Speaker 3: the rest of Lincoln Lawyer.
Speaker 2: Now, oh that's your thing? Oh? Is that the series
Speaker 2: on Amazon? Are you talking about the McConaughey movie.
Speaker 3: No, not the movie, the series.
Speaker 2: Is it any good? Do you like it?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It's good, it's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I get my wife watches that. I gotta get
Speaker 2: on that. Paul, Thanks for coming on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Enjoy your holiday. Do you have plans? Do you catch
Speaker 2: a high school game on Thursday?
Speaker 3: I do my son's last one ever at Bishop Centwick
Speaker 3: against Saint Mary's Wednesday night, in my last high school
Speaker 3: game ever.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the tiers are gonna be flown. What
Speaker 2: position does he play?
Speaker 3: He's a guard?
Speaker 2: God love him man.
Speaker 3: All right, yeah, he starts that guard. So yeah, we're
Speaker 3: looking forward to it, and you know, a little bittersweet,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it's been a fun ride.
Speaker 2: Well now you can take in those college offers.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Saban's online one. All right, Paul DAGs, all right, Tanger,
Speaker 2: appreciate it, buddy. Paul Parolo the Great, he's the best.
Speaker 2: Joining us here on WBZ night said as I told
Speaker 2: you we're gonna get We're gonna keep things light. We
Speaker 2: went from Trump and politics and Kamala right into the
Speaker 2: Patriots in the NFL talk. And he's right. You know,
Speaker 2: the NFL is is there are not a lot of
Speaker 2: great teams. There really aren't. You know. To me, you
Speaker 2: got Kansas City and you got Buffalo, and then you
Speaker 2: got Detroit. I don't know about Philly. Philly's nine and two.
Speaker 2: Those are your three teams right now. I think it
Speaker 2: comes down to Detroit, Kansas City and Buffalo. That's it.
Speaker 2: Those are the three. The rest. Hey, Hey, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Eh, I'll give you some thoughts on
Speaker 2: the Patriots. Drum Mayo, We're going to change gears. Andy
Speaker 2: Grasch joins us frying a turkey and other crazy Thanksgiving
Speaker 2: recipes on the way, coming up with ten here on
Speaker 2: wbz's Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: So my thoughts on the New England Patriots right now
Speaker 2: and Gion Mayo. I worked with the guy at NBC
Speaker 2: Sports Boston, and he's the best. You're not going to
Speaker 2: find a better person. I'm rooting like hell for him.
Speaker 2: I don't think he has the tools. I don't think
Speaker 2: he has the roster, and he's also following a freaking legend,
Speaker 2: a legend in Bill Belichick, who also had a legend
Speaker 2: at quarterback in Tom Brady. I do think that Gerard
Speaker 2: has to take control of the team. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's viewed as like the head coach. I don't
Speaker 2: really understand the relationship he has with his offensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: It's like he has the defense and they have the offense.
Speaker 2: Look if Drake may has a good relationship with his
Speaker 2: OC and that works. That's fine, But I do wonder
Speaker 2: if Gerard has taken the approach where you're just too nice.
Speaker 2: You know, we've gone through we go through cycles in life,
Speaker 2: whether it's football or whether it's running an office or
Speaker 2: an organization, where we want to be friendly, we want
Speaker 2: to be liked, We want everybody to be comfortable, we
Speaker 2: want everybody to be happy. But you can't always have success. Well,
Speaker 2: quite frankly, you can't have success keeping everybody happy. You can.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter whether you're running a football team, whether
Speaker 2: you're running a business, whether you're running an organization, whether
Speaker 2: you're teaching a class. You can't worry about keeping everybody happy.
Speaker 2: And it seemed that the Patriots did a one to
Speaker 2: eighty from the Bill Belichick way of doing things, which
Speaker 2: was Belichick coached via fear. I remember Jermaine Wiggins. He
Speaker 2: said to Jermaine, Jermaine, if you don't make this block,
Speaker 2: I will cut your ass tomorrow. And Bill would do it.
Speaker 2: And I think this was before WIGGI had the big
Speaker 2: AFC playoff game where he had all those catches in
Speaker 2: the Snowbowl. Bill would do it. Bill would if you
Speaker 2: didn't make a play like There are definitely some guys
Speaker 2: on this Patriot roster now, some receivers that can't catch
Speaker 2: the ball that if Belichick was here, he would just
Speaker 2: cut his ass. Now, boom, you're gone. You can't ca
Speaker 2: hatch the ball for me, see you later. And I
Speaker 2: thought the Patriots may do that. I thought we would
Speaker 2: see some of that after and we still may this week.
Speaker 2: I don't know. After that embarrassment against Miami. You can't
Speaker 2: coach and be the player's friend. You can't manage an
Speaker 2: organization and be the boss and be the employee's friend.
Speaker 2: You have to have respect for one another. But there
Speaker 2: has to be a little bit of fear. That's what
Speaker 2: motivates people. There has to be a little bit of
Speaker 2: fear that if I do a crappy job on the
Speaker 2: show tonight, that I'm not going to get a call
Speaker 2: to fill in for Dan Ray again. There has to
Speaker 2: be You can't let people get too comfortable. I mean,
Speaker 2: when I saw the Patriots and some of these wide
Speaker 2: receivers complaining about not getting the football. Some of the
Speaker 2: diva I mean, wide receivers are divas anyways, they just are.
Speaker 2: Troy Brown is probably the only one that really I
Speaker 2: mean Troy Brown was never a diva. It's not in
Speaker 2: his DNA. But he's probably the only receiver that has
Speaker 2: not had that diva like attitude. To be in the
Speaker 2: NFL and to be a receiver, you have to have
Speaker 2: that diva like attitude. But you can't let it come through,
Speaker 2: you can't let it show. Anaman definitely had some diva
Speaker 2: at him. He wanted the ball. He wanted the ball,
Speaker 2: but he was tough as nails. He'd go across the middle,
Speaker 2: He'll get his belt wrung. I mean, he definitely wanted
Speaker 2: the ball. There's a diva in Edelman, and I say
Speaker 2: that as a compliment. Definitely some diva in Gronk. I
Speaker 2: say that a compliment as well. Gronk wanted to protect
Speaker 2: his body later on, and I understand that he kind
Speaker 2: of had a tough go there for a while. But
Speaker 2: there's got to be some fear. And I don't know
Speaker 2: if the Patriots fear Mayo. And I want Mayo to succeed.
Speaker 2: I can tell you that I have not wanted a
Speaker 2: coach to succeed more than Mayo. And I loved Frankcona.
Speaker 2: I thought Terry Fracona is a you give me crank
Speaker 2: he'd be talking it from his stall doing his business.
Speaker 2: But I thought Frank Cohen was great. I loved it.
Speaker 2: I thought he was awesome. And I don't think I
Speaker 2: wanted a coach to succeed more than Mayo. I really don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's the best. Is he too nice? That's
Speaker 2: what I wonder. I mean, one of the reasons why
Speaker 2: Belichick was a great coach is he could be a
Speaker 2: real a hole. He really could be. So couldn't Red
Speaker 2: so good in all of them? You know, you gotta
Speaker 2: be tough. There's got do you instill the fear into
Speaker 2: your players? I mean Reed does? I mean, definitely, Andy
Speaker 2: Reid does. There's no doubt. I mean Andy Reid is
Speaker 2: the players. Let's remember Andy Reid was considered a loseruntil
Speaker 2: he got the quarterback, which was really unfair and Paul
Speaker 2: Perilla pointed that out. But that's my question. I really
Speaker 2: want made to succeed. But does he instill a little
Speaker 2: bit of fear into the players? Like you know, when
Speaker 2: you're a boss, when you walk in the room, there's
Speaker 2: got to be a little bit of a from the employees,
Speaker 2: like am I okay? You can't let them get too comfortable.
Speaker 2: And I think the Patriots right now not only do
Speaker 2: they suck, but I think they're too comfortable. And that's
Speaker 2: a problem. And I hope Mayo can fix it. I
Speaker 2: really do talk about a segue here, folks, Miso roasted carrots,
Speaker 2: cream kale YACKI bake a vegan meat loaf, a grapefruit
Speaker 2: and goat cheese fennel salad. These are just some of
Speaker 2: the things that I have found that people are now
Speaker 2: eating for Thanksgiving. My word is that an American sweet Well,
Speaker 2: no sweet potato salad, that's fine. How about this one
Speaker 2: sweet and sour braised red cabbage? What what sweet and
Speaker 2: sour braised red cabbage for Thanksgiving? How about a colliflower
Speaker 2: mushroom sauce. How about a pumpkin lasagna for Thanksgiving? My god,
Speaker 2: what is this world coming to? And Trump? Trump? Would
Speaker 2: Trump River allow this? That's what people are eating.
Speaker 3: Me.
Speaker 2: I gotta admit, man, it's gotta be. The best thing
Speaker 2: about Thanksgiving is the day after right, friends, the moistmaker,
Speaker 2: you get the turkey sandwich, you put the gravy and
Speaker 2: the stuffing on it. That is the best thing about
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving Day food. There's no doubt about it. Andy Gresh,
Speaker 2: who you may know from Sports Radio where I worked
Speaker 2: with covering the Patriots. It's also a connoisseur of fine foods,
Speaker 2: and yes, he knows how to fry a turkey, and
Speaker 2: he's got some stories and he will tell you how
Speaker 2: to fry a turkey if you're interested in doing it.
Speaker 2: Because I hear fried turkey's phenomenal. I'm just afraid I'm
Speaker 2: going to burn my house down. Thanksgiving recipes with the
Speaker 2: Grushmaster coming up next here on wbz's Nightside.