1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Close your eyes all right, seriously, just for a moment, 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,240 if you're listening right now. I want to build something 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,000 in your mind. And I really need a blank canvas 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:08,279 for this. 5 00:00:08,359 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 2: Okay, my canvas is blank. Let's do this. 6 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: I want you to visualize a stone block. But I 7 00:00:14,039 --> 00:00:17,879 don't want you picturing you know, a brick you'd buy 8 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:20,719 at a hardware store, or a cinder block, or even 9 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:23,160 one of those nice landscaping rocks you'd put out in 10 00:00:23,199 --> 00:00:24,079 your garden. 11 00:00:23,839 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 2: Right, nothing you could pick up exactly. 12 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,239 Speaker 1: I want you to picture a single, perfectly solid block 13 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,880 of granite, and I want you to scale it up 14 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,119 in your mind until it is the exact size of 15 00:00:35,119 --> 00:00:35,960 a semi truck. 16 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 2: Wow, that is I mean, that is just a massively 17 00:00:39,039 --> 00:00:41,479 heavy image to start with. It is we were talking 18 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:46,039 about something so dense, so unyielding, Yeah, and just incredibly imposing. 19 00:00:46,079 --> 00:00:48,840 Speaker 1: I think gets heavier. Now, imagine cutting that block out 20 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,119 of a mountain, a solid mountain of bedrock granite. You 21 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,719 can't just slice it like cheese. This is literally one 22 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:57,520 of the hardest stones on planet Earth. Then after you 23 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:01,240 somehow cut it, you have to move it miles. You're 24 00:01:01,359 --> 00:01:05,359 dragging the semi truck sized rock across shifting sand across 25 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:09,359 uneven really rocky terrain where modern wheels would just sink in, 26 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:11,680 modern steel axles would snap in half. 27 00:01:11,879 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, nature does not want that rock to move. 28 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't. And finally, the absolute kicker here, you have 29 00:01:17,239 --> 00:01:19,239 to lift it hundreds of feet into the air and 30 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,319 set it down with absolute laser like precision. 31 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:26,799 Speaker 2: And just to set the difficulty level to basically impossible, 32 00:01:27,159 --> 00:01:29,040 let's add the constraints from our history books. 33 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:29,359 Speaker 1: Right. 34 00:01:29,519 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 2: You have to do all of that without a wheel, 35 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,439 no wheels, without a pulley system, and without a single 36 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:36,200 iron tool. 37 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: It sounds like a riddle, or like a physics problem 38 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:43,200 that a cruel professor designed to be completely unsolvable. Yeah, 39 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,439 it sounds like something straight out of a fantasy novel. 40 00:01:45,799 --> 00:01:47,879 But this is the actual reality of some of the 41 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:52,120 ancient world's most famous monuments. Welcome to Thrilling Threads. 42 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,519 Speaker 2: It is so good to be here, And honestly, that 43 00:01:54,599 --> 00:01:58,159 introduction really sets the stage for the sheer magnitude of 44 00:01:58,159 --> 00:01:59,439 what we are discussing today. 45 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm so incredibly ready to pull at this thread today 46 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,840 because it is one of those topics that just completely 47 00:02:05,879 --> 00:02:08,199 breaks my brain in the best way possible, of course, 48 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,240 Oh absolutely, we are looking at impossible engineering. It's the 49 00:02:11,319 --> 00:02:13,400 kind of stuff that makes you look at a massive 50 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,360 steel skyscraper today and think, well, that's easy compared to 51 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:17,919 what they managed to pull off back then. 52 00:02:18,199 --> 00:02:20,879 Speaker 2: It is certainly a topic that forces us to confront 53 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:25,680 the very real limits of our historical understanding, because you know, 54 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:31,719 we often have this very comfortable, very linear view of human. 55 00:02:31,479 --> 00:02:34,199 Speaker 1: History, right, the straight line of progress exactly, that. 56 00:02:34,199 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: We started with sticks and stones, and that we slowly 57 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:39,639 figured out bronze, then iron, then steal, and we just 58 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,919 slowly got smarter and smarter until we invented the smartphone. 59 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:46,199 We really like to think of progress as an unbroken 60 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,360 line moving straight up. 61 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: We do. 62 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 2: But the engineering seats we are looking at today they 63 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:54,520 suggest a massive curveball in. 64 00:02:54,439 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: That timeline, a massive granite curveball. And today our mission 65 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,639 is to unred mystery using a very specific lens. We 66 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:07,000 are analyzing a source from the History Channel's Ancient Aliens, 67 00:03:07,319 --> 00:03:11,840 specifically diving into season one. Now, before anyone listening rolls 68 00:03:11,879 --> 00:03:14,240 their eyes or expects us to start talking about, you know, 69 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:15,919 flying saucers. 70 00:03:15,479 --> 00:03:18,439 Speaker 2: Right, let's just be extremely clear upfront, please, the source 71 00:03:18,479 --> 00:03:21,319 material we are discussing today focuses heavily on the actual 72 00:03:21,439 --> 00:03:25,479 engineering arguments presented in that series. We are entirely stripping 73 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:29,120 away the speculation about extraterrestial biology or UFOs, and we 74 00:03:29,159 --> 00:03:32,599 are focusing strictly on the hard data, the measurements, the 75 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,919 tool marks, the material science, and the. 76 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,159 Speaker 1: Physics, just the physical evidence exactly. 77 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:41,159 Speaker 2: The source features researchers and authors like Robert Bovol, engineers 78 00:03:41,159 --> 00:03:45,080 like Christopher Dunn, and actual working Stonemasons. These guys aren't 79 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,319 talking about little green men. They are impartially comparing ancient 80 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,240 sites like the Giza Plateau and Balbeck to what we 81 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,840 can actually achieve today with our absolute best modern construction capabilities. 82 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: And that is exactly where the tension lies. That's the 83 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:04,520 core conflict of this whole discussion, because mainstream archaeology basically says, look, 84 00:04:04,639 --> 00:04:08,439 it was manpower, it was ropes, it was wooden sledges, 85 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:10,319 it was copper chisels, and it was just a whole 86 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,039 lot of time. The mainstream view is just lots and 87 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,960 lots of people pulling really really hard for a really 88 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:16,480 long time. 89 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: And the experts featured in our source material are looking 90 00:04:20,399 --> 00:04:23,120 at the math, the physics, and the material science. And 91 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,079 they are saying, wait a. 92 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: Minute, the numbers don't work. 93 00:04:25,519 --> 00:04:27,519 Speaker 2: The numbers do not add up at all. They're saying, 94 00:04:27,519 --> 00:04:31,519 this looks distinctly like advanced technology. They're arguing that the 95 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,399 brute force explanation completely fails to account for the unbelievable 96 00:04:36,439 --> 00:04:38,800 precision and the sheer scale of these projects. 97 00:04:38,959 --> 00:04:40,879 Speaker 1: So let's get right into it. Let's go to Egypt. 98 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:45,160 When you think of impossible ancient building, everyone immediately thinks 99 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,560 of the Great Pyramid. Right. It's the icon. 100 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,439 Speaker 2: Naturally, I mean, it is the last remaining wonder of 101 00:04:50,439 --> 00:04:53,519 the ancient world for a reason. It's the absolute poster 102 00:04:53,879 --> 00:04:56,519 child for ancient engineering. It's the first thing you see 103 00:04:56,519 --> 00:04:58,160 on any post guard from Egypt. 104 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:02,079 Speaker 1: But our source, typically the author Robert Bouvall, points out 105 00:05:02,319 --> 00:05:06,120 that while the pyramids are obviously impressive, there is something 106 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,040 else right there at Giza that is even more baffling. 107 00:05:09,439 --> 00:05:11,680 He points directly to the Valley temples. 108 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,079 Speaker 2: This is such a crucial distinction, and honestly, it's one 109 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,800 that often gets lost in all the noise about the pyramids. 110 00:05:17,879 --> 00:05:19,079 Speaker 1: Yeah, people overlook it. 111 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 2: They do because the pyramids themselves are largely built out 112 00:05:22,959 --> 00:05:27,600 of limestone, and limestone is a sedimentary rock. It's relatively sold. 113 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:30,639 You can literally scratch limestone with a good pocket knife. 114 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: It's workable, very workable. 115 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:37,199 Speaker 2: But the Valley Temples, those are a completely different beast Entirely, 116 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:39,680 they are built with a mix of granite and limestone, 117 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,879 but the core structural blocks are massive. 118 00:05:43,079 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: Bauvall breaks down the weight comparison here, and this is 119 00:05:46,519 --> 00:05:47,959 the part that really blew my mind when I was 120 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,519 reviewing this source. The average block in the Great Pyramid 121 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:52,560 weighs about two to. 122 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: Three tons, which is heavy. Certainly, that's the weight of 123 00:05:55,639 --> 00:05:59,680 a large suv or a heavy duty pickup truck. It 124 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,000 is managible if you have enough guys. You can sort 125 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:06,560 of imagine twenty strong guys with thick ropes dragging a 126 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:10,720 Toyota Tundra across a field. It's incredibly hard work, but 127 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,480 it's a type of physics that we can intuitively. 128 00:06:12,959 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: Understand, right, it makes logical sense in our brains. But 129 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,639 the blocks in the Valley Temples, the ones right mixed door, 130 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,360 they don't weigh two to three tons. They range from 131 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:24,120 one hundred to two hundred tons. 132 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 2: That is an exponential leap in difficulty. 133 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: It's insane. 134 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,319 Speaker 2: It's not just quote unquote harder. It is a completely 135 00:06:30,319 --> 00:06:33,959 different class of engineering problem. It is quite literally the 136 00:06:33,959 --> 00:06:37,439 difference between lifting a bag of groceries and lifting a car. 137 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: Bo Value uses this analogy and the source that I 138 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:42,319 just love because it really forces you to put into perspective. 139 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,000 He says, to truly understand the weight of a one 140 00:06:45,079 --> 00:06:48,399 hundred ton block, you have to imagine taking one hundred 141 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,000 typical family cars and squeezing them down into a single 142 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:53,199 solid cube. 143 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:55,879 Speaker 2: That is a terrifyingly dense image. Just try to image 144 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,000 the sheer gravity of that object sitting in front of. 145 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,639 Speaker 1: You, and that is just one block. And they built 146 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,319 entire temples out of these things, stack them on top 147 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,160 of each other. The question Bovall asks, and I think 148 00:07:06,199 --> 00:07:09,480 it's the most basic logical question anyone could possibly ask. 149 00:07:09,399 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 2: Is why, exactly why on Earth would you choose to 150 00:07:13,399 --> 00:07:13,720 do that? 151 00:07:13,879 --> 00:07:14,079 Speaker 1: Right? 152 00:07:14,279 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: In engineering, there is always this underlying concept of efficiency, 153 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,959 the path of least resistance. Good engineers are basically lazy 154 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,879 in the smartest way possible. They want to achieve the 155 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,079 structural goal with the absolute least amount of energy expenditure 156 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:31,800 and the lowest possible risk. 157 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:34,959 Speaker 1: If you can already build a four hundred foot pyramid 158 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,879 with two ton blocks, and that is already a massive, 159 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,920 era defining achievement that lasts for thousands of years, why 160 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,040 would you turn around for the temple next door and say, 161 00:07:44,079 --> 00:07:46,519 you know what, let's make this way harder. Let's use 162 00:07:46,519 --> 00:07:48,279 two hundred ton blocks of solid granite. 163 00:07:48,319 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 2: It completely defines the path of least resistance. Balvall's central 164 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,199 argument here is that it makes absolutely no sense to 165 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,720 intentionally choose the most difficult possible way to build something 166 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,759 unless and this is the absolute key to his whole theory, 167 00:08:02,079 --> 00:08:03,959 unless it actually wasn't difficult for them. 168 00:08:04,079 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: Oh I really like that. Unpack that for me a 169 00:08:06,079 --> 00:08:06,480 bit more. 170 00:08:06,759 --> 00:08:09,879 Speaker 2: Well, think about how we construct buildings today. We build 171 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,800 massive towers with steel girders. Why not because working with 172 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:17,319 steel is inherently easy for a human being, but because 173 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,680 we have the massive cranes and the mechanized steel mills 174 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:25,079 to make the whole process highly efficient. It is standard 175 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:26,600 operating procedure for us. 176 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: We have the infrastructure for it. 177 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: Exactly now, if you only had copper chisels, some hemp ropes, 178 00:08:32,519 --> 00:08:36,480 and human muscle, intentionally choosing to quarry and move a 179 00:08:36,519 --> 00:08:40,559 two hundred ton block is completely illogical. It is basically 180 00:08:40,639 --> 00:08:41,960 suicide for your workforce. 181 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, people are going to get crushed. 182 00:08:43,759 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: They absolutely would. It slows down the entire project. It 183 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,679 drastically increases the risk of catastrophic accidents. It makes every 184 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:55,039 single step exponentially harder. So choosing to use two hundred 185 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:58,759 ton blocks strongly suggests that they possessed a technology that 186 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,279 made moving one hundred as relatively easy as moving a 187 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:02,879 small brick. 188 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: That is the big aha moment right there. It's like, 189 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,919 if you have a hydraulic forklift, moving a heavy pallet 190 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,120 of brakes is easy. If you don't have a forklift, 191 00:09:10,279 --> 00:09:14,639 it's a complete nightmare. It fundamentally changes the perceived difficulty 192 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,679 of the task based entirely on your available tool set. 193 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,600 If I have a heavy lift crane, a two hundred 194 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,399 ton block is just another heavy lift for the day. 195 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,399 If I only have a piece of rope, it is 196 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,399 a physically impossible object. 197 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 2: Precisely and beaulvol compares this ancient reality to a modern 198 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:34,279 stone quarry. He says, if you go to a commercial 199 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,200 quarry today and look at the actual machines required to 200 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,679 move stone of that specific size. They are megamachines. 201 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we've all seen them on those extreme engineering documentaries, 202 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,559 those massive, bright yellow monsters with tires that are twice 203 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:48,720 the size of a grown man. 204 00:09:48,919 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 2: They are essentially giant man made creatures that completely dwarf 205 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:56,080 the humans operating them inside the caps, massive hydraulic excavators, 206 00:09:56,159 --> 00:10:00,399 multi axle flatbeds, towering cranes. We rely entirely on that 207 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,360 level of mechanical advantage. 208 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:04,799 Speaker 1: The hydraulics, the gearing, the massive diesel engines. 209 00:10:04,879 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: Yes, to do this work today, we absolutely require that technology. 210 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,200 The source suggests that logically the agents must have had 211 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:14,200 some sort of equivalent. Maybe it wasn't a diesel engine, 212 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,000 maybe it wasn't paid to yellow, but they had to 213 00:10:16,039 --> 00:10:17,919 have an equivalent mechanical advantage. 214 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: And that perfectly brings us to our next expert featured 215 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,840 in the source, And honestly, this guy is probably my 216 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:27,759 favorite part of this entire discussion, Christopher Dunn. 217 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,759 Speaker 2: Christopher Dunn is such a fascinating and vital voice in 218 00:10:31,759 --> 00:10:35,840 this specific debate because he is not an archaeologist, he's 219 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,279 not an egyptologist, he's not a historian. He honestly doesn't 220 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,639 care about the dynastic timelines or translating the religious texts. 221 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,240 He is an mechanical engineer and a master ex machinist. 222 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,679 He spent his entire career in advanced manufacturing, making incredibly 223 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,799 precise parts for the aerospace industry. 224 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: He looks at these ancient monuments and he doesn't see 225 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,240 culture or religion first. He sees manufacturing. He sees tooling 226 00:10:59,279 --> 00:11:02,080 and machining. When he walks up to a giant statue, 227 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,000 he's looking at exactly how the stone was cut, not 228 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:06,799 which farroh it represents. 229 00:11:07,039 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: He brings a very tragmatic, hands on, blue collar perspective 230 00:11:10,159 --> 00:11:12,960 to this grand historical mystery. He looks at the mainstream 231 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,919 toolkit that Egyptologists universally claim was used, and he essentially 232 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:20,120 just asks, from a machinist's perspective, does this tool actually 233 00:11:20,159 --> 00:11:21,480 make this specific mark. 234 00:11:21,919 --> 00:11:25,279 Speaker 1: Let's talk about their mainstream toolkit. Let's really unpack that. 235 00:11:25,759 --> 00:11:28,960 What are we formally told they used? Because you know, 236 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,919 when I picture ancient Egypt from the textbooks, I just 237 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,120 picture lots of guys in loincloths pulling ropes on wooden sledges. 238 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: Well, the standard historical narrative, if you open literally any 239 00:11:39,399 --> 00:11:43,519 university textbook on the subject is that the ancient Egyptians 240 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:47,279 used stone balls stone ball, yes, specifically dull right pounders 241 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,679 basically just hard round rocks. Along with those, they used 242 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:56,399 simple copper chisels, hollow copper tubes for drilling, and ordinary 243 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:57,919 sand for grinding away the stone. 244 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,039 Speaker 1: Sand and copper against solid grains, yes, and. 245 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: Against dirite, which is even harder and denser than granite. 246 00:12:04,279 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 1: Now, for the listener who might not be a geologist 247 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,480 or a material scientist, explain why that is such a 248 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:10,720 massive problem. Why can't I just take a copper chisel 249 00:12:10,759 --> 00:12:11,519 and cut granite. 250 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,399 Speaker 2: It all comes down to the Mose scale of mineral hardness. 251 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,320 The Mose scale, right, it's a standardized one to ten 252 00:12:17,399 --> 00:12:21,159 scale using geology to classify how hard minerals are. Diamond 253 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,799 sits at the very top at a perfect ten. Granite, 254 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,759 depending on its exact quartz content, usually sits right around 255 00:12:26,799 --> 00:12:27,639 a six or seven. 256 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: Okay, so six or seven pretty hard, and copper copper 257 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:34,639 is a three three. So it's literally like trying to 258 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:37,519 cut a frozen steak with a soft banana, huh. 259 00:12:37,639 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: Essentially, yes, or like trying to saw your way through 260 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,279 a thick steel pipe using a wooden stick. There's a 261 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:47,360 fundamental mismatch of materials. If you repeatedly hit solid granite 262 00:12:47,399 --> 00:12:51,000 with a copper chisel, the copper just bends and blints immediately. 263 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,399 The granite wins every single time. So the mainstream workaround 264 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:56,440 theory is that they used. 265 00:12:56,279 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: Sand because sand has quartz in it. 266 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,639 Speaker 2: Exactly. Sand is mostly which has a hardness of seven, 267 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,360 so it can act as a natural abrasive. The theory 268 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:07,039 is they were taking the copper tools, putting sand down 269 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,720 and furiously rubbing the copper against the stone with the 270 00:13:09,759 --> 00:13:12,440 sand trapped in between, to slowly grind it away. 271 00:13:12,519 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: Which, okay, that works theoretically, right. You can technically sand 272 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,240 down a rock. Water erosion wears down entire canyons over 273 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:19,120 millions of years. 274 00:13:19,519 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 2: It works in theory, yes, but it's excruciatingly slow and done. 275 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,200 Basically looks at that theoretical list of tools and says 276 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,240 absolutely no way. He argues that the physical information perfectly 277 00:13:33,279 --> 00:13:36,759 preserved in the stone itself directly argues against the notion 278 00:13:36,879 --> 00:13:38,600 of such simple primitive tools. 279 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: It's the precision, isn't it. 280 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,799 Speaker 2: It comes down entirely to precision and efficiency. Yes, You 281 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,679 can slowly sand a rock down over months, but can 282 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,960 you sand it perfectly flat to within a thousandth of 283 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,120 an inch? Can you sand a perfect internal right angle? 284 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: Let's really get into the logistics of that, because Doun 285 00:13:55,039 --> 00:13:57,960 brings up the Great Pyramid again here to prove his point. 286 00:13:58,159 --> 00:14:00,320 We mentioned the two ton blocks earlier, but we didn't 287 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,799 mention exactly how many of those blocks there actually are. 288 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,559 Two and a half million, two and a half million blocks. Yeah, 289 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:09,360 I feel like we just say that huge number in documentaries, 290 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,399 but we need to really let it sit. That is 291 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,600 a literal city made of stone, just. 292 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 2: In the Great Pyramid alone. That's not counting the paving stones, 293 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:17,840 the temples, the enclosure walls. 294 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 1: Done actually does the math on the pure logistics, if 295 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:24,320 you will. He calls it the stat problem, and I 296 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,679 think this is the exact moment where the brutal manpower 297 00:14:27,759 --> 00:14:31,639 argument really starts to totally crumble under its own weight. 298 00:14:31,759 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: It really becomes a simple, undeniable scheduling problem. Mainstream history 299 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:39,799 definitively tells us the Great Pyramid was built in roughly 300 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:41,919 twenty years during the reign of the Farokufu. 301 00:14:42,039 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: Twenty years to quarry, move and stack two and a 302 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:47,840 half million blocks. 303 00:14:47,639 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 2: If you sit down and do the math on that, 304 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,120 And this is assuming they work twelve hours a day, 305 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:54,360 three hundred and sixty five days a year, absolutely no holidays, 306 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,679 no sick days, no breaks for weather. That means they 307 00:14:56,679 --> 00:15:01,440 had to fully quarry, transport, shape, lift, and perfectly place 308 00:15:01,519 --> 00:15:03,279 a block every couple of minutes. 309 00:15:03,039 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 1: Every couple of minute, like literally every two or three minutes. 310 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: That immediately, it implies a relentless just in time delivery 311 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,799 system on a scale that honestly rivals our most advanced 312 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:16,960 modern manufacturing. Think about a modern highly automated car factory. Today, 313 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,200 a finished car rolls off the assembly line roughly every minute. 314 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,440 But that requires an army of precise robots, perfectly synchronized computers, 315 00:15:25,799 --> 00:15:27,679 and massive global supply chains. 316 00:15:27,799 --> 00:15:30,919 Speaker 1: And here we are talking about multi ton blocks of 317 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:35,000 solid stone. You physically cannot have a dozen guys sitting 318 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,679 around pounding a rock with a round dolerite ball for 319 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,000 three weeks to shape just one block. If the foreman 320 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,759 needs to place thousands of blocks a day just to 321 00:15:43,799 --> 00:15:45,399 meet the twenty year dubline. 322 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 2: Exactly, it's a massive bottleneck. If it takes a team 323 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:51,480 of stone masons a full week to shape just one 324 00:15:51,519 --> 00:15:55,240 casing stone using dolrite, powders and sand. You would need 325 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:59,759 literally millions of highly skilled stone masons working simultaneously just 326 00:15:59,799 --> 00:16:02,679 to keep up with that required rate. And the Giza 327 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,279 plateau itself isn't physically big enough to hold that many 328 00:16:05,279 --> 00:16:06,159 people working at once. 329 00:16:06,279 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: Right, where do they stand? Where do they sleep? How 330 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:10,320 do you feed millions of workers in the desert if 331 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,720 you're really just pounding rocks with rocks? The pyramid doesn't 332 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:16,039 get finished in twenty years. It gets finished in yeah, never, or. 333 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,159 Speaker 2: Maybe five hundred years. Yeah Done argues this required output 334 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,559 demands high efficiency cutting and placement. It absolutely requires a 335 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,960 process that is rigorously standardized, incredibly rapid, and fully mechanized. 336 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,879 You need an industrial factory floor, not a disorganized group 337 00:16:32,919 --> 00:16:34,039 of guys with hand tools. 338 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: And the thing about Done is he isn't just sitting 339 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,559 in an armchair speculating about this. He actually went to 340 00:16:39,639 --> 00:16:42,600 Egypt looking for physical proof of these machines, and he 341 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,919 found what he called is a literal smoking gun. But 342 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,639 the crazy part is it wasn't even at the Great Pyramid. No. 343 00:16:49,039 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: He traveled a few miles north of the main Giza 344 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,919 Plateau to a much lesser zone site called Abu roh Wash. 345 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,000 It's a bit more desolate out there. It's far more 346 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,159 ruined and excavated, But sometimes that is exactly where the 347 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:03,519 underlying secrets are exposed. The polished facade is gone. 348 00:17:03,639 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: Okay, tell us everything about Abu Rahwash. What exactly did 349 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:08,400 he find out there in the desert. 350 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 2: He found a granite block, but not just any random block. 351 00:17:11,559 --> 00:17:14,000 This specific piece of granite had a very deep cut 352 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:17,279 running through it pronounced slid. It literally looks like someone 353 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:19,920 started cutting right into the stone and then just stopped 354 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:20,839 halfway through the job. 355 00:17:21,039 --> 00:17:23,599 Speaker 1: And this is where that trained machinist's brain of his 356 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,880 totally kicks in right. He sees this cut and it 357 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:27,960 just haunts him. 358 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: He describes literally waking up at three am in a 359 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:35,240 cold sweat, just scratching his head over it. He couldn't 360 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,559 figure it out. He was obsessively puzzling over the exact 361 00:17:38,559 --> 00:17:41,799 geometry of this specific cut for days. 362 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,079 Speaker 1: I honestly loved that image, just this highly technical guy 363 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,720 in the middle of the night, staring at his hotel ceiling, 364 00:17:47,799 --> 00:17:51,440 completely obsessing over a broken rock in Egypt. It really 365 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,480 shows you how deeply this kind of anomaly bothers a 366 00:17:54,559 --> 00:17:56,480 mind trained in precision engineering. 367 00:17:56,559 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 2: Well, that is exactly how major breakthroughs happen. You instinctively 368 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,839 know something is terribly wrong with the official historical story 369 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,359 because the physical physics of the object sitting right in 370 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,200 front of you doesn't sit right in your head. And 371 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,599 eventually he finally realized something crucial about the curvature of 372 00:18:10,599 --> 00:18:11,319 that cut. 373 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: The curve. Explain this to me, because this seems to 374 00:18:13,759 --> 00:18:16,079 be the lynchpin. Why is the curve of the cut 375 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:16,880 so important? 376 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:21,319 Speaker 2: Think about how a handsaw works. Ideally, if you were 377 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,519 using a flat hand saw, like a long, flat copper 378 00:18:24,559 --> 00:18:27,519 blade being pulled back and forth by two guys with sand, 379 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,480 the bottom of the cut channel should be perfectly flat, 380 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,799 or if the metal blade SAgs slightly in the middle 381 00:18:33,839 --> 00:18:37,119 from gravity, it might be slightly curved upwards. 382 00:18:36,759 --> 00:18:38,839 Speaker 1: In the center right like a lumberjacksaw. 383 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,880 Speaker 2: But if the bottom of the cut channel is curved concavely, 384 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,920 plunging deeper into the stone in a perfect arc, it 385 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,920 means the cutting tool itself was circular. The cut in 386 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,559 the stone perfectly mirrors the physical shape of the tool 387 00:18:50,599 --> 00:18:50,960 it made it. 388 00:18:51,039 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: Oh, like pushing a pizza cutter down into a thick dough. 389 00:18:53,839 --> 00:18:56,799 Speaker 2: That is exactly it. The cut matches the continuous arc 390 00:18:56,839 --> 00:18:59,599 of the spinning blade, and based on measuring the exact 391 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,400 depth the cut and projecting the radius of that specific 392 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,720 concave curve done mathematically calculated exactly what kind of tool 393 00:19:06,799 --> 00:19:09,960 must have made it, and the final verdict A circular saw. 394 00:19:10,079 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: A circular saw in ancient Egypt, where we are told 395 00:19:13,519 --> 00:19:16,000 they supposedly only had primitive copper chisels. 396 00:19:16,319 --> 00:19:20,079 Speaker 2: But it gets crazier. It was not a handheld circular 397 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,920 saw like you'd buy a hardware store. This is the 398 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,640 truly staggering part. Based on the geometry of the curvature 399 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,839 he measured, the circular saw blade would have to have 400 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,160 been thirty five feet in diameter. 401 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: Thirty five feet that is, I mean, that's the size 402 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,720 of a ferris wheel. That's the height of a three 403 00:19:36,759 --> 00:19:37,480 story building. 404 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 2: It is unfathomably massive, and the engineering implications of a 405 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:44,000 blade that size are just staggering. 406 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,319 Speaker 1: I mean, seriously, just think about that for a second. 407 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,279 If you have a solid thirty five foot saw blade, 408 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:51,960 you aren't spinning that thing by hand. You aren't just 409 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,000 wrapping a hemp rope around the axle and having some 410 00:19:54,039 --> 00:19:55,119 guy's pulling correct. 411 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:58,880 Speaker 2: A circular saw of that immense scale implies a massive, 412 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:04,000 continuous power source. It implies incredibly rigid, heavy duty machinery 413 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:06,799 just to hold the blade steady so it doesn't wobble 414 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:09,480 and shatter. You can't just casually hold a thirty five 415 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,200 foot blade against granite. It needs a massive structural chassis. 416 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:17,039 It needs heavy duty bearings that can withstand immense torque. 417 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:18,519 Speaker 1: Right the friction would be unbelievable. 418 00:20:18,839 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 2: It implies a level of advanced industrial engineering that is 419 00:20:22,319 --> 00:20:26,759 completely one hundred percent absent from the accepted archaeological record, 420 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,359 except of course, for these specific marks left in the stone. 421 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: This is a gergantuan deviation from the Copper Chisels narrative. 422 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,400 We just went from pounding rocks with other rocks to 423 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,440 a full blown industrial power saw in one. 424 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:43,599 Speaker 2: Massive leap, and Doune was absolutely convinced. He states clearly 425 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,319 in the source that to his EXPERTI that is unmistakably 426 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,599 a machine mark. The parallel striations left in the cut, 427 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,599 the constant feed rate of the blade, the polish on 428 00:20:53,599 --> 00:20:56,119 the inside of the cut channel, It all screams high 429 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:57,039 powered machinery. 430 00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,039 Speaker 1: But the skeptics, and I know you're the expert here, 431 00:20:59,079 --> 00:21:00,480 so I want you to play a devil's advocate for 432 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:03,480 a second. The mainstream skeptics would immediately say, well, where 433 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,079 the machines, Chris, If they really had thirty five foot 434 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,319 power saws, surely would find a giant, rusty blade buried 435 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,400 somewhere in the sand, or a massive gear, or even 436 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:13,599 just a large metal bolt. 437 00:21:13,839 --> 00:21:16,839 Speaker 2: That is the most valid and common counter argument. We 438 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:21,240 simply have not found the actual machines. But Dun's rebuttal 439 00:21:21,279 --> 00:21:26,480 to that is really interesting and quite practical. He essentially says, look, 440 00:21:26,599 --> 00:21:29,119 I see the mark. I know exactly what kind of 441 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,839 physical tool makes that specific mark. Just because I can't 442 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,000 currently find the tool itself buried in the sand doesn't 443 00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:37,720 mean the mark on the stone is lying to me. 444 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,640 Speaker 1: It's like finding a deep tire track from a tractor 445 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,279 in the mud. You might not see the tractor anywhere around, 446 00:21:43,319 --> 00:21:44,880 but you know for a fact a kid on a 447 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,799 bicycle didn't make that massive track. 448 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 2: Precisely, you logically infer the tool from the definitive market 449 00:21:50,799 --> 00:21:54,640 leaves behind. In modern forensics, investigators do this all the time, 450 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:56,680 you look at a unique wound profile, and you can 451 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,319 determine the exact type of weapon used, even if you 452 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,839 never find the gun under the knife. Yeah, Dunn is 453 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,720 basically performing forensic engineering on ancient stone, and once he 454 00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:09,680 realized this, he started aggressively looking for other evidence. He 455 00:22:09,799 --> 00:22:12,920 started entirely reinterpreting the ancient landscape itself. 456 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: And this naturally brings us to the famous boat pits. Now, 457 00:22:16,519 --> 00:22:18,599 I have seen pictures of these things. They were these 458 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:23,640 incredibly long, deep, rectangular trenches perfectly cut directly into the 459 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,720 solid bedrock all around the Giza plateau, and mainstream archaeology 460 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,640 confidently calls them boat pits. 461 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:33,759 Speaker 2: Yes. The prevailing theory is that they were either strictly ceremonial, 462 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,680 meant to symbolically hold magical solar barges for the pharaoh's 463 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,519 spiritual journey into the afterlife, or they were functional, perhaps 464 00:22:41,559 --> 00:22:45,839 holding actual physical wooden boats used during the funeral. And 465 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,599 to be perfectly fair to the archaeologists, they actually have 466 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,680 found dismantled wooden ships buried in some of them, which 467 00:22:51,759 --> 00:22:54,000 obviously lends massive credence to that idea. 468 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,160 Speaker 1: But Dunn looks at a thirty five foot circular saw. 469 00:22:57,839 --> 00:23:00,960 And then he looks down at these massive de excavated 470 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,000 pits and a giant light bulb goes off in his head. 471 00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 2: He speculates that these deep bedrock depressions are the absolute 472 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,720 perfect size, shape and depth to structurally mount those thirty 473 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:11,519 five foot saws. 474 00:23:11,519 --> 00:23:14,079 Speaker 1: He hypothesized, So they weren't boat garages at all, They 475 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:15,200 were actually saw pits. 476 00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 2: Imagine it. Imagine the massive saw machinery secular mounted inside 477 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:24,000 the bedrock pit to give it absolute stability. The bedrock 478 00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:28,359 acts as the rigid chassis. Then, using tracks or rollers, 479 00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:31,279 you run the massive, rough granite blocks right through the 480 00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:34,839 spinning machine, rapidly cutting them to perfect size before moving 481 00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:36,680 them over to the pyramid for final placement. 482 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: Wow, that actually makes the whole two and a half 483 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,079 million blocks problems seem a lot more realistically solvable. It 484 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:47,240 completely turns the Giza plateau into an industrial factory floor. 485 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,519 Speaker 2: It really does. It radically changes the entire context of 486 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:53,960 the site. It shifts it from a purely quiet religious 487 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,200 monument built by pious workers to a loud, mechanized construction 488 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,400 site of immense in dufat scale. It explains the rapid 489 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:07,400 speed of construction It perfectly explains the rigorous standardization, because 490 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,000 if you're cutting blocks with a giant fixed machine, of 491 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:11,920 course they are all going to be the exact same size. 492 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:15,480 Of course they fit together perfectly. The machine guarantees the uniformity. 493 00:24:15,559 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: But he didn't stop out in the desert, did he. 494 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,440 He actually took this forensic mindset indoors. He went into 495 00:24:21,519 --> 00:24:24,279 the museum, specifically the Luxur museum. 496 00:24:24,519 --> 00:24:27,759 Speaker 2: Yes he did. He is always hunting for tool marks. 497 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,599 He's looking for the distinct signature left behind by a machine, 498 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,920 because machines, when they fail or slip, make entirely different 499 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,480 types of mistakes than human hands do. 500 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,759 Speaker 1: And he actually found one of these mistakes on a 501 00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:43,880 beautiful statue of the god a Moon. Now, listener, I 502 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,200 really need you to picture this. It is a gorgeously carved, 503 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:51,960 highly polished statue sitting in a museum, but Dunn entirely 504 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,519 ignores the face, He ignores the higher glyphs, and he 505 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,400 zooms in on a very specific weird. 506 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 2: Spot the buttocks. 507 00:24:58,559 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: Ah, Yes, the buttocks, specifically the exact corner where the 508 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,839 buttock of the statue meets the flat bench that the 509 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:05,759 figure is sitting on. 510 00:25:06,039 --> 00:25:07,759 Speaker 2: It sounds a bit funny to focus on, but that 511 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:11,160 tiny detail is absolutely critical to this theory because right there, 512 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,839 in that tight corner, there is a distinct undercut in 513 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:14,599 the hardstone. 514 00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:17,559 Speaker 1: Describe this undercut for us. Why does a little groove 515 00:25:17,599 --> 00:25:18,359 matter so much? 516 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 2: Because it strongly looks like a tool slip, a slip, 517 00:25:21,759 --> 00:25:24,880 like a mistake, a slip of a powered tool. Now 518 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,920 think about manual carving. If you are a stone mason 519 00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:31,039 slowly tapping away at hard stone with a chisel in 520 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,480 a mallet, you are working very, very deliberately, tap, tap, tap. 521 00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:37,720 If you happen to make a mistake or swing too hard, 522 00:25:37,759 --> 00:25:39,920 you might ship off a piece of the stone, But 523 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,400 you don't accidentally slip deep into the material in a smooth, 524 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,680 continuous line. 525 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:48,640 Speaker 1: Right Because you have total physical control over every single strike, 526 00:25:49,039 --> 00:25:52,640 you aren't implying a massive amount of continuous, unstoppable force. 527 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,960 You literally pause after every single hit of the mallet, exactly. 528 00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: But if you are using a high speed, high powered 529 00:25:59,319 --> 00:26:01,839 rotary tool like a modern router or an angle grinder, 530 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,119 and your hand slips just a fraction of an inch 531 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,640 where the machine suddenly jumps off the surface, what happens. 532 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: It aggressively gouges the material, It cuts way deeper than 533 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,640 you ever intended. Before you can even react and pull 534 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,559 your hands back. 535 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,039 Speaker 2: Exactly, the machine keeps spinning and cutting. Dunn argues that 536 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,720 this specific mark on the side of the Omlind statue, 537 00:26:19,759 --> 00:26:24,400 this deeply cut, perfectly smooth undercut, is the undeniable signature 538 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:28,240 of a high speed tool. Slipping it heavily implies mechanized 539 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:33,039 efficiency and continuous power, not slow manual chipping. To a machinist, 540 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,880 it looks exactly like a rapidly spinning rotary tool that 541 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,079 just got away from the operator for a split second 542 00:26:38,079 --> 00:26:39,160 and bit into the bench. 543 00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: It is always those tiny little details that really grab you. 544 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,319 It's not just the giant, obvious pyramids. It's the small 545 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,680 human mistakes, the little oops, moments frozen in stone that 546 00:26:49,759 --> 00:26:52,119 fully reveal the hidden process behind the perfection. 547 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 2: It strongly suggests the ancient craftsman was moving very fast 548 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,319 using a tool that cut through the hard stone almost effortlessly. 549 00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:02,279 Wasn't desperately fighting the stone with a piece of copper. 550 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,279 He was smoothly guiding a powerful tool right through it. 551 00:27:05,839 --> 00:27:09,160 Speaker 1: Okay, so we have theories of giant circular saws, massive 552 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,640 industrial saw hits and high speed rotary routers in ancient Egypt. 553 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:14,720 But the source material takes us on a road trip. 554 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,720 For the next major section, we are officially leaving Egypt 555 00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:19,319 and heading north to Lebanon. 556 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,319 Speaker 2: To the incredibly massive Temple of Jupiter at Belbeck. 557 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: Now, if you thought the two hundred ton blocks in 558 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,119 the Egyptian Valley Temple were big, really buckle up, because 559 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,799 Bellbeck genuinely makes the Giza Plateau look like a child's 560 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:32,680 lego set. 561 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 2: Bell Beck is home to the real monsters of the 562 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:40,039 ancient world. The three absolute largest man made stones ever 563 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,799 placed in a structure are found right here. They're collectively 564 00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:44,920 known as the Trialthon. 565 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:47,519 Speaker 1: Give us the hard stats, make us really feel the 566 00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:48,440 weight of these things. 567 00:27:48,559 --> 00:27:52,559 Speaker 2: Each of these three stones weighs and estimated one thousand. 568 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,160 Speaker 1: Tons one thousand tons. 569 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 2: That is two million pounds each. 570 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,559 Speaker 1: That is I literally cannot even process that number in 571 00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:00,720 my head. That's what five hundred family. 572 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 2: Cars roughly, Yes, imagine five hundred cars perfectly compressed into 573 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,960 one solid, rectangular block of stone. And the craziest part, 574 00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:11,279 they aren't just sitting on the ground. They were somehow 575 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,960 lifted and precisely placed into a retaining wall twenty odd 576 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,480 feet up in the air. Twenty feet up, yes, and 577 00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:21,519 they fit together so incredibly perfectly that you literally cannot 578 00:28:21,599 --> 00:28:24,160 slide a modern razor blade between the joints. 579 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: But wait, it actually gets wilder because there's an even 580 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:27,680 bigger one still sitting nearby. 581 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:30,279 Speaker 2: Right. Yes, the famous Stone of the Pregnant Woman. 582 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,079 Speaker 1: Such a great name, by the way, very evocative and 583 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:34,480 ancient sounding. 584 00:28:34,319 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: It really is. It's located in a quarry just a 585 00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:40,519 short distance from the main temple complex. It was apparently 586 00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:43,240 never fully finished or completely moved out of the quarry pit, 587 00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:47,200 but it gives us a terrifyingly clear idea of their 588 00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:53,200 ultimate ambition. This single stone weighs twelve hundred tons. 589 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: Twelve hundred tons, just a giant, perfectly cut rectangular block 590 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,960 of bedrock weighing two point four million pounds. 591 00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: Now let's bring in the modern engineering comparison again, because 592 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,480 the source material interviews Peter Poludakov, who is a highly 593 00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:11,519 experienced modern construction industry expert, and he poses a very 594 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:14,960 simple practical question to the camera, how exactly would we 595 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,400 try to move the Stone of the Pregnant Woman today? 596 00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:19,039 Speaker 1: What's the modern solution. 597 00:29:19,079 --> 00:29:21,519 Speaker 2: He calculates that just to lift the stone off the ground, 598 00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,559 you would need twenty one modern heavy lift construction cranes 599 00:29:24,799 --> 00:29:26,480 working in absolute perfect unison. 600 00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: Twenty one massive cranes. Just to pick the thing up, just. 601 00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 2: To lift it a few inches, you'd have to design 602 00:29:32,079 --> 00:29:35,680 and build a custom steel harness system that connects all 603 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,400 twenty one cranes simultaneously to the block, and every single 604 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,839 crane operator would have to communicate and pull at the 605 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,160 exact same millisecond. 606 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:45,519 Speaker 1: Because if one pulls early. 607 00:29:45,519 --> 00:29:48,359 Speaker 2: If one crane lifts slightly too fast or too slow, 608 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,640 the two million pound load shifts, that tension transfers unequally, 609 00:29:53,119 --> 00:29:57,000 and absolute disaster happens. Cranes would topple like dominos. 610 00:29:57,279 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: But here is the real kicker that blew my mind. 611 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:04,240 Ruodakov points out a massive logistical nightmare that we completely 612 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,480 forget when we just look at the raw lifting numbers. 613 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,400 To get twenty one heavy lift cranes up to a 614 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:14,799 remote mountainous site like Baalbeck, you need infrastructure, You need roads, 615 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:15,440 all right. 616 00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 2: These modern cranes are unbelievably heavy machines themselves. 617 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,799 Speaker 1: They are massive. He says, it's virtually impossible to do 618 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,799 today because the existing mountain roads and the surrounding terrain 619 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:28,400 simply cannot physically support the concentrated weight of the machinery 620 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,160 needed to move the stone. The ground pressure from the 621 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,039 crane treads would cause them to immediately sink deep into 622 00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:35,599 the dirt or completely tip over. 623 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: So we literally cannot even get our most advanced mechanical 624 00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:41,880 robots to the site just to try and lift the rock. 625 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,920 But the ancients, who mainstream history insists didn't even possess 626 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,119 the simple wheel at this time, somehow moved a thousand 627 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,519 ton stones out of that quarry and hoisted them twenty 628 00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:54,359 feet into the air. 629 00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: Without modern diesel cranes, without high pressure hydraulics, without pay 630 00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:01,240 asphalt roads. 631 00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 2: It really makes the classic ropes and rolling logs theory 632 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,839 just completely crumbled to dust, doesn't it. I mean, just 633 00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:09,240 imagine the sheer thickness of the hemp rope you would 634 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,359 need to securely pull two million pounds without snapping. 635 00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: The friction alone is just mind boggling to think about. 636 00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:18,759 Speaker 2: And if you are theoretically using wooden rollers, stripping hundreds 637 00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:20,920 of tree trunks and shoving them under a thousand ton weight, 638 00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:24,960 the logs would literally be crushed into woodpulp instantly. Standard 639 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,160 wood simply cannot withstand that kind of concentrated point pressure. 640 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,319 The logs would just explode under the stone. 641 00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: It just doesn't physically work. The basic material limitations of 642 00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,799 natural wood and woven hemp rope make the whole endeavor 643 00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:38,920 practically physics defying, and. 644 00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,279 Speaker 2: That logical dead end leads us perfectly into the final 645 00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:45,160 section of our sources argument today, what they call the 646 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,440 brutal man power myth. 647 00:31:46,759 --> 00:31:51,039 Speaker 1: Right, they interview Roger Hopkins, who is a highly experienced 648 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,839 real world stonemason, and he shares a personal story that 649 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,640 I think perfectly illustrates this massive disconnect between theoretical academic 650 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,960 history and real world muddy boots construction reality. 651 00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:04,839 Speaker 2: The Palm Springs experiment. 652 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,279 Speaker 1: Right. So, Hopkins is out working on a commercial landscaping 653 00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:11,400 project in Palm Springs modern day, and his crew is 654 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,839 trying to move a large decorative stone. 655 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 2: He says it was a stone weighing quote well in 656 00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:20,240 excess of five tons, so let's call it roughly ten 657 00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:20,960 thousand pounds. 658 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: Okay, So let's just pause and frame this five tons 659 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,279 compared to the one thousand tons sitting up at Baalbec. 660 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,119 This rock is basically a pebble. 661 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,319 Speaker 2: It is literally half of one percent of the weight 662 00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:34,440 of a single Ballbeck Trilton stone. It is barely a 663 00:32:34,519 --> 00:32:36,319 rounding error in ancient terms. 664 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: And Hopkins and his crew they have modern machinery on site. 665 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,799 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they rented one of the absolute largest diesel 666 00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:45,000 excavators available on the commercial market, a massive, state of 667 00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:46,319 the art hydraulic machine. 668 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,759 Speaker 1: And what actually happened. 669 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 2: They profoundly struggled. Hopkins describes how they had an incredibly 670 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,599 hard time just lifting it up enough to carefully load 671 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,160 it onto the back of a flatbed truck. The heavy 672 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,960 duty machine was audibly straining, the high pressure hydraulics were 673 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,799 whining and pushing their maximum load limits. It was a 674 00:33:04,839 --> 00:33:09,119 genuinely difficult, dangerous operation for an experienced modern crew with. 675 00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:13,599 Speaker 1: A mere five ton rock and a massive modern machine. Yes, 676 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,480 and yet mainstream history asks us to unquestioningly believe that 677 00:33:17,839 --> 00:33:20,759 ancient people smoothly moved stones that were two hundred times 678 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:22,519 heavier than that entirely by hand. 679 00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:25,559 Speaker 2: Hopkins is extremely blunt about this. When he speaks, he 680 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,359 directly critiques the comfortable academic view. He basically says, we 681 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:33,319 are supposedly expected to blindly accept that ancient builders entirely 682 00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:37,240 without wheels, pulleys or iron brackets, achieve this using just 683 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,960 brutal manpower and little pieces of. 684 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: Strength pieces of strength. I honestly love that phrasing. It 685 00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:46,559 so perfectly highlights the absolute absurdity of the proposed toolkit. 686 00:33:46,759 --> 00:33:49,559 Speaker 2: His final conclusion on the matter is pretty damning for 687 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:53,680 the mainstream narrative. He just shrugs and says, quote, the 688 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,319 context does not fit the evidence. 689 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 1: That is exactly the perfect summary line for this entire discussion. 690 00:33:59,279 --> 00:34:02,240 The context meaning that the primitive tools we are strictly 691 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,720 told they had entirely fails to fit the physical evidence 692 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:09,119 the absolutely massive stones we can clearly see they moved 693 00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:10,280 and precisely cut. 694 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,159 Speaker 2: It is a massive, glaring discrepancy. On one hand, you 695 00:34:14,199 --> 00:34:16,960 have the undeniable physical objects sitting right there in front 696 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,239 of you, a perfectly carved, one thousand done block of granite, 697 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,280 and on the other hand, you have the accepted historical 698 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:26,239 narrative copper chisels, sand and lots of sweating guys pulling ropes. 699 00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:29,119 The two realities simply do not intersect anywhere in the 700 00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:32,960 realm of physics. You absolutely cannot bridge that massive technological 701 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,800 gap by just saying, well, they just use more people. 702 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,559 Speaker 1: So really, where does that actually leave us. We've got 703 00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,559 deep cuts in hard granite that fundamentally look like they 704 00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:44,519 were carved by giant thirty five foot circular saws. We've 705 00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:47,679 got perfectly placed stone blocks that easily defy the lifting 706 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,800 capacity of fleets of modern construction cranes. We've got a 707 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,000 historical timeline that dictates these people were barely out of 708 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,760 the hunter gatherer phase, with a little bit of basic 709 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:01,719 agriculture and an architectural output that loud industrial revolution. 710 00:35:02,159 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 2: It leaves us deeply embedded in a mystery that stubbornly 711 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,320 refuses to go away, no matter how much the textbooks 712 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,559 try to gloss over it. The source material we review today, 713 00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:15,199 drawing heavily from the engineering investigations in ancient Aliens, obviously 714 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,760 leans very strongly towards the idea that this required technology 715 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,199 was external, or at the very least far far more 716 00:35:22,199 --> 00:35:24,840 advanced that we currently give human ancestors credit. 717 00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: For right, and whether it was Aliens from another star system, 718 00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:32,440 or some highly advanced lost human civilization that got wiped out, 719 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,000 or just really really incredibly smart Egyptians who discovered a 720 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,400 fundamental principle of acoustic physics or levitation that we somehow 721 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,039 completely lost. Honestly, the how is the real smoking gun 722 00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:44,920 here exactly? 723 00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 2: We consider out a debate the theoretical who all day long? 724 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,679 Was it Atlanteans? Was it extraterrestrials? Was it a lost 725 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,679 Ice Age civilization? We honestly don't know for sure. But 726 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,039 the how the required technology that isn't theoretical, that is 727 00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:02,519 entirely physical, that is tangible. You can physically walk up 728 00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:04,480 and touch the circular cut mark in the stone. You 729 00:36:04,519 --> 00:36:07,400 can literally calculate the sheer mass and weigh the stone. 730 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,440 Speaker 1: And that undeniable physical evidence practically screams for an explanation 731 00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:14,119 that goes far, far beyond wow, they just pulled really 732 00:36:14,159 --> 00:36:14,840 hard on some ropes. 733 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,519 Speaker 2: It absolutely forces us to fundamentally reconsider the entire upward 734 00:36:18,559 --> 00:36:19,880 trajectory of human history. 735 00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: Here's a really provocative thought to leave you with today 736 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,679 as we wrap this up. If these ancient civilizations truly 737 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,679 had thirty five foot power saws, if they truly possess 738 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:33,000 the mechanical ability to casually lift twelve hundred ton blocks 739 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:36,559 of bedrock, where did all that massive machinery go. 740 00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:41,079 Speaker 2: Now, that is the great lingering question, because machines rust, 741 00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,320 iron decays, wood rots away to nothing, but stone stone 742 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:46,079 remains forever. 743 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,079 Speaker 1: Is it entirely possible that human history is actually cycle, 744 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:51,480 that we rise up to a tremendous level of high 745 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,119 tech capability, we build these impossible, massive things, and then 746 00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:56,239 some cataclysm happens and we fall right back down to 747 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,920 the Stone Age, and thousands of years later, all that's 748 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,199 left surviving the elements are really really big rocks. 749 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,159 Speaker 2: It's entirely possible, and it's a humbling thought. We might 750 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,599 literally be looking at the eroded remnants of a technological 751 00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,800 peak we didn't even know humanity had reached. Yeah, just 752 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,639 imagine if our own modern civilization completely collapse tomorrow in 753 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,519 ten thousand years. All the steel skyscrapers would be completely 754 00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:22,920 rusted away to nothing, the billions of computers and smartphones 755 00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:26,440 would just be toxic dust in the soil. But the 756 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,280 Hoover Dam or Mount Rushmore, those massive stone and concrete 757 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,559 structures might still be sitting there. And future primitive people 758 00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:37,599 might look up at the Hoover Dam and say, Wow, 759 00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,599 how did they build that with just plastic spoons and 760 00:37:39,599 --> 00:37:40,199 copper wire. 761 00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 1: Oh man, it is such a haunting thought, but I 762 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,639 will say it makes walking through a natural history museum 763 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,840 or looking at ruins a whole lot more interesting. 764 00:37:48,039 --> 00:37:50,599 Speaker 2: It certainly does. Once you see it, you can't unsee it. 765 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,199 You start looking at the ancient statues totally differently. You 766 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,000 stop looking at the faces and you start actively looking 767 00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:58,320 for the slips. You start searching the corners for the 768 00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,320 hidden tool marks. 769 00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: Speaking of which, listener, I really want to ask you directly, 770 00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:05,719 when we talked earlier about that weird little mark on 771 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,960 the museum statue of a moon, that supposed slip of 772 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,199 the high speed rotary tool right there on the buttock, 773 00:38:12,199 --> 00:38:13,719 what is your personal stand on that? 774 00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you see a definitive slip of a high 775 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:22,719 powered mechanized tool, or do you genuinely just see a 776 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:27,440 really unfortunate chisel error made by a tired manual worker. 777 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,519 Speaker 1: Ponder that for a bit, Look up the pictures online, 778 00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,960 closely examine the tool marks for yourself, and please leave 779 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,559 a comment to let us know exactly what you think. 780 00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:36,559 We genuinely want to hear your theories. 781 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 2: On this always, because the absolute best insights often come 782 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,239 from fresh eyes looking at an. 783 00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: Old problem, absolutely true. Thank you so much for joining 784 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,800 us on this wild journey into the realm of the 785 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:47,800 impossible today. 786 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,079 Speaker 2: It has been an absolute pleasure to break this all 787 00:38:50,119 --> 00:38:50,559 down with you. 788 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: This has been thrilling. Threads keep pulling at those loose 789 00:38:53,559 --> 00:38:55,760 ends in the narrative. We will see you next time.