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Speaker 8: It was only yesterday.

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Speaker 10: When I got the pay I had to pay the rent.

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Speaker 8: Need to find somep gosh, I need to find them

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fast money, comboddy, mindy God, Buddy, money combody Love, money God, Buddy,

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Mindy com Baddy money, Combuddy Love. Don't need advice.

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Speaker 4: I need a love.

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Speaker 10: To keep my home.

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Speaker 8: Money company, money Company, money com Babby Love, Money Company,

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Speaker 10: Paid, we'll take it away.

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Speaker 8: Money Combay Monday com Babby Money Combuny Love.

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Speaker 8: Come by money, Come Bobby.

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Speaker 10: Come buy money.

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Speaker 1: Money gone by.

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Speaker 8: Money gone, Bobby money done, Bobby.

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Speaker 10: Money gone by money, god by money.

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Speaker 8: Conboy money, Come Bobby money, Cobby moneyby.

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Speaker 4: That is money can't buy me love. The artist is

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We're gonna speak with him in just a moment. Welcome everybody.

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our number three newmerow trace of Matt Connerton Unleashed and

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I think we've got him via WhatsApp.

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Speaker 13: Andrew, are you there, Yes, I'm here, loud and Clia.

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Speaker 4: Hey, welcome to the show. Love that song very very catchy,

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which I'm sure people tell you all the time, but

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it's it's very easy to sing along to. I like

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Speaker 13: That's good. Thanks very much for liking it.

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Speaker 4: It's it's good so interestingly enough, so it's kind of

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it's it's a fun song, but it's kind of a serious,

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uh subject, right, And I'm really curious to know more

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about it because obviously you're talking about you know, money,

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money only gets you know, not only can money not

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buy you love, but sometimes it can't buy you enough

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to live on, you know. And and uh, and this

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is a problem in many places, you know, in the

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United States, of course, you know, we deal with inflation

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and things like that, and where you are in the UK,

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obviously you experienced these things as well. And I'd be

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curious to know more. There's kind of the story behind

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the song money Can't Buy Me Love.

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Speaker 13: It's just from my personal experience, but I think a

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lot of other people experience it as well, no matter

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how hard you work, there's going to be so many

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outgoings that you feel like you're left with nothing right.

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was in my early bandays. I got my first royalty

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check through the post and as we're opening up the envelope,

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and I looked out the window and there was a

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total truck going past. And then I remember that I

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left my car on a yellow line and because it

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was broken down, okay, and it got towed away, so

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go to the car pound to retrieve it, and the

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to retrievement it was one hundred and twenty pounds. So

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that check, that rualty just disappeared in a matter of hours.

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money and then then somebody else takes it away.

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a lot of people I think this has changed over

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at least in America, and this is probably true other

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places as well, where people who don't know better will

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assume that if you're a musician and you're making money,

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you know that you're probably rich and you live in

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a mansion and you've got platinum records on the wall

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it works. If you're very, very successful and famous, you know,

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that might be how it works. But most musicians are

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working class people, certainly the people that we have on

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the show, and have the same struggles as everyone else,

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or if not even more so, because you know, being

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a full time musician certainly can be a very challenging

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financially economic, a very challenging lifestyle, you know, and in

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this era too, where you have streaming services like Spotify,

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for example, who don't pay very much, you know, it

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can be very difficult. And your story is very illustrative

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of that. You know, you get that, you get that

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first royalty check and then it's gone, immediately, it's gone

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because you had to go and retrieve your car. And

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are you surprised, like when you tell that story, do

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you find that people are surprised to hear that?

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Speaker 13: No, because I think things happen to them, not that

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specific example, but sure both other things like if they're heating,

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boiler breaks down, you know, something major happens. It's very

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costly to get a tradesman in to fix it, and right,

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you know, all your hard end money is going for

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something that you didn't expect to happen. Right, you know,

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the surprises that life throws at you as sometimes the

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very hard to take, especially when there's expensive.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, back to the think about being a musician, it

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can be very expensive because when people see on stage,

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they think that's it, you're performing. It's great. Right behind

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the scenes of the cost of rehearsals, the cust of equipment,

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having to replace that, pressing records, well, that kind of thing.

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how expensive it is. And you know, I know that

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in America, and I'm old enough to remember growing up

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and watching you know, MTV and seeing videos of rock

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bands and there they look like they're living this lush,

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lavish lifestyle and they're they're all living in a mansion

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and and you know, hanging out with Playboy playmates and

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sports cars. And then over time that sort of where

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to me how different the reality is, or how different

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the perception is, and how distorted it is in contrast

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with the actual reality and the economics of the music business.

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I'm curious too. You mentioned so you used to how

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long have you been a solo artist? Because you mentioned

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you used to be in bands. I know that you're

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a veteran of the UK scene, You've been around a while.

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What's kind of been your experiences You used to be

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in bands and now you're strictly a solo artist.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm strictly a solo artist now, think you still

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that round of twenty seventeen when I first started right

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to my own songs, Yeah, I'm By twenty nineteen, i'd

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released my first album, Northern Soul, which happened fairly quickly

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because what I did was that instead of going into

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the studio and recording twelve songs in one go, I

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did it in three stages. I did like four songs

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at a time and stasted around a few friends like drummers,

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bass players, keyboard players if they just wanted to come

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in and help out and surprisingly they did, and I

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didn't have to pay them either, which was great sweet.

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But on the album, there's so many different people helping

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me out and I thought that was really really kind

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of them to do that. Jack Hater from Hefner was

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on steel guitar. The drummer from The Bitter Springs helped

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out in drums. There was another two other drummers that

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helped out as well, a couple of back end singers,

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a trumpet player. So there was quite a long list

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of musicians that were willing to help me out, which

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I thought was great.

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Speaker 4: That is yeah? Is that so in the grand scheme

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of things? Is that is that more lenging in a

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sense when you're recording a solo album or whatever it

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is that you're doing solo. When you're recording, does that

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become more challenging because you have to find the right

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musicians to fit what you're doing, versus just being in

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a band where it's static, you know, you've got the

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same people on each song, or maybe it's not. Maybe

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it's liberating, you know, because you're in total control and

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you get to choose, you know, you can accept or

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reject the contributions of whomever may be coming to play

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on your music. I don't know, Like, how's that experience

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been going from playing in bands to being a solo

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artist In terms of that, well.

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Speaker 13: We're playing in a band. It was a set thing.

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Each person did their own instruments. Yeah, Like somebody else

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asked me this question about when you were in a band,

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what was the songwriting? Like, well, with that, all I

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did was my young guitar parts, perhaps by the bass

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player and the singer and the drummer. They did all

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their own things, so I didn't, yeah, you know, interfere

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with that. But being a solo artist, I've played bass, harmonica,

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I programmed drums, so it's you know, I'm now responsible

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for everything. So although it just take a little bit longer,

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I've got more control over.

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Speaker 4: It, right, Is that what precipitated you becoming a solo artist?

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Did you want more control?

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Speaker 6: Not so much.

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Speaker 13: When I first started off, I did have a bass

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player and drummer with me, but then I just got

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fed up of it. Was it became like a revolving

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door syndrome where somebody did leave and then you have

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to get somebody else, and then somebody leave and then

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you have to get somebody else it was it got

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a bit to moralized, and so I just thought I'll

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do this on my own at least. You know, I

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was going to say I can't split up, but I

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have done that a couple of times. I've had a

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break for a couple of months, and then I'm sort of, well,

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I've got to get back.

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Speaker 4: To it, right when you take a when you take

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a break, like, what causes that? Do you just need

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to get away from it for a while or or

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is it I mean, is there something that sort of

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necessitates that taking a break from it.

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Speaker 13: I think it's healthy to take a break because we're

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going to do this as a solo artist, and I

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tend to live it twenty four hours a day, so

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just get a bit tiring. You know, you're always thinking

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of lines for songs at eleven o'clock at night. You're

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relaxing or concentrating on other things, and you know, it's

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good to have a break, recharge your batteries and come back.

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It's like with the songwriting, I'll write a couple of

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songs and then I can't do anything for a couple

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of months.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it looks like it.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely. Yeah, having a break is good because it recharge

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your batteries and then you can get new material a

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little bit quicker, Like I've got a new song on

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the go at the moment which is going quite well,

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and I haven't done anything for weeks. Yeah, so it's

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you know, it's always good to have a break, oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: And then you can kind of reapproach it with a

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fresh perspective. I'm curious too about your live performances because, again,

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especially someone being someone who used to be in bands,

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and you know, I've played in a lot of bands.

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I've never done a solo thing, but I've played in

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a lot of bands, and I know that when you're

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on stage with a bunch of people, there's almost a

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kind of a safety and numbers thing, you know, you're

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all in it together. And I've I've never I've always

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been curious because I've never experienced kind of that rawness

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of being at least that's how I perceive it of

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being a solo artist. I've never experienced that. But I'm

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curious what it's like for you in that regard. Did

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you feel more vulnerable on stage making that transition, even

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though you might have other musicians on stage with you,

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it's still you know, you then become really the totally

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the focus and and what was that like for you?

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Speaker 13: I did at first because when I started solo, it

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was just me with a good acoustically like a lot

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of other people do. But then when I added the

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drum machine and the harmonica, things got a little bit

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louder and there was more more of it. So I

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sort of got lost in that and was able to

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focus more on doing all of that that thing and

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having a louder sound. Sort of that set me apart

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from another Other acoustic musicians like I seem to have

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this problem at the moment where you get a lot

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of open mics where there's people with an acoustic instruments

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and a voice, right, But when I do them, I'm

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far too loud, So I don't think they like that

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kind of thing. But they won't have me on my

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bands because I'm not a band, but I'm as loud

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as a band.

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Speaker 4: Oh that's interesting. So it sort of puts you in

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this weird position, right because you're you're you're you're you're

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you're as loud as the bands, but they won't put

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you with the band because you're a solo artist. But

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you're too loud for the You know, you're too loud

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for someone who this up there with a guitar and

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just sing it at the end. That's really interesting. Yeah.

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Speaker 13: I did a gig in East London a while back

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and I was supporting this other band who were quite loud.

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I went went on and opened up for the gig

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and everyone really enjoyed it. And this this guy came

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up to me, came up at the end and shook

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me by the hand and said you were great this

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that was fantastic And I was thinking, wow, what we're done.

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And you know, another thing like that happened at a festival.

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Some guy been there all day. I came on and

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played and at the end he just came on, came

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on stage and at the end he said, wow, have

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you fantastic? I've been here all day and all these

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other bands haven't been so great and you've been fantastic.

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So you know, it's a bit refreshing for people.

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Speaker 4: I think, Yeah, and to have that validation too, you know,

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that's so obviously you're you're onto something. Was that was

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that challenging at all? You know, introducing UH drum programming

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and your live set a drum machine. I mean that

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must have taken some getting used to, right or maybe not.

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Maybe it seemed natural from the beginning. I don't know,

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but again that's something I've never experienced, so almost I

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asked this question almost selfishly because I'm just very very

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curious about that, if that was a natural transition for

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you or did you have to kind of work at it?

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Speaker 13: Not really, because I've been in other bands where we've

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had a drum machine move it with like a semi

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electronic band. Oh that was the mid nineties. We were

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called cloud Bass, and I used to have like an

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older Tallery computer with MIDI files and a drum machine

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and we had that. We just had guitar, bass and

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vocals and it was what's call It was quite quite regimented.

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So you really have to fit in with the timings.

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you know you can be a bit more loose. This

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really good at being your toes because all that the

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drum programs and the medio files don't wait right, You're

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going to be really good with your time in. So

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used to do that, but when it reintroduced the drum machine,

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I knew how to a new what to expect, right,

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you know, to be good with the timing of playing.

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Speaker 4: Now with your album So Northern Soul, which that was

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twenty nineteen, correct, Was that that your first album as

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a solo artist.

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Speaker 13: Technically? Oh, I don't know if you know my history,

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but I think it was twenty twelve.

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Speaker 11: Oh.

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Speaker 13: I had this crazy idea. I was really really into

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just acoustic guitar instrumentals and I thought, I know, I'll

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just record it a couple of Beatles instrumentals and see

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how these sounds. And I was playing them in the

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car and the CD playing I thought, well, this is

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good driving music. This is maybe it's maybe it's a

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good idea to do it as an album, because I

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went into a studio and recorded I think it was

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fourteen Beatles songs okay, and I released them put them

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ounta in CD, and it was an album called Well

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my Acoustic Guitar gently Weeps.

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Speaker 4: I love it and it's instrumental, it is it's.

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Speaker 13: It's fourteen Beatles instrumentals and released that on CD and

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it did okay. It's sold in lots of countries and

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it seem to do okay.

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Speaker 4: I'm curious as a music industry guy, was it challenging

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at all? I assume did you have a label or

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a distributor that you worked with, because I'm curious about

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you know, if you're covering Beatles songs, that's not always

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necessarily easy to get all your ducks in a row,

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at least certainly not in the United States. To really

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make sure you've got everything nailed down legally so that

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you can do that without running in any trouble. I'm

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curious about that part of it.

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Speaker 13: Okay, I did that. What you have to do is

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you have to apply for a license from I think

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it's the MCPS Mechanical Copyright Protection Society or something, and okay,

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you send them a list of songs and they'll send

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you a bill for some like four hundred pounds. You

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pay the bill and then they send you a license

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and that allows you to press things physically in like

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a CD factory. Without that license, you can't go ahead.

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So once you paid for the license, you can get

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them pressed and then they get delivered and then you

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can send them off. And I did that again on

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my own label. Oh, so do things like bang camp.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Oh that sounds relatively. That's that's more straightforward than

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I would have expected. That's well, that's great, okay, all right.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, I didn't have to ask any permission. I think

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you just just have to buy the license and that's

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the only legal requirement. That'll be limited to the number

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that you can press as well.

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Speaker 4: Oh they do okay, okay, yeah, no, that's still though.

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That's much simpler in streamlined than I would have expected.

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That's that's fantastic. How was the response to it when

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you released it?

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Speaker 13: It was good to got good reviews and it sold

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I think I remember it was USA, Canada, UK, and Japan.

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It seems to sell quite well.

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Speaker 4: Outstanding. Oh, very good, very good.

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Speaker 13: And you know, just just from an initial tryout of

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listening to it in the car.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and this was I'm sorry about that.

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Speaker 13: There's a really starting about twenty twelve.

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Speaker 4: Twenty twelve, okay, that's what I was wondering.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, some copies available out there somewhere. Oh wow, Okay,

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it's worth checking out if a Beatle's fine and you

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want to listen to something different.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, I'm curious. So then okay, So

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then was Northern Seoul the next thing that you released

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or was there something else between between.

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Speaker 13: I think it might have been the Bitter Springs in

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between that I got asked by the Bitter Springs to

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initially play bass for them. That's quite funny story because

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I got a call from the the lead singer, Simon Rivers.

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He found me up and said, do you play bass?

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So I just said yes, I'm not. After I went

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out and bought a bass. I played it much before,

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so I got one and within a couple of weeks

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we were playing gigs in the Spain.

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Speaker 4: Oh I'll be damned, but you were already playing guitar.

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Speaker 13: Right, Yes, so it wasn't wasn't too difficult to learn.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't.

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Speaker 11: So.

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Speaker 4: I'm a bass player myself, and I know that my

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fellow bass players hate when I say this, but yeah,

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if you can play guitar, you can play the bass.

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I mean, it's just it's just a fact. It's just

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a fact. So no, So that's great, and you you

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really kind of sees that opportunity. Now, when Northern Soul

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came out, you got a fair amount of radio support

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for that over there, didn't you. Yeah, the.

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Speaker 13: The lead track off it, I think it was called

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I Get the Feeling, got played on so many radio stations,

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got really good feedback from it because it, you know,

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it seems like quite a happy song musically, it sounds

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nice and bright on the radio.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's cool. We might we might play that at

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the at the end of the segment actually, because I

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think I think that would be appropriate. Oh yep, I

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found it. I found it online. Excellent, excellent. So then

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how is your approach change? Because that was twenty nineteen,

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so obviously that was seven years ago. I mean, has

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your approach changed in terms of how you were recording,

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writing and recording then versus how you're doing it now

474
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with like the new single money Can't Buy Me Love,

475
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for example.

476
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Speaker 13: No, that was just it was a similar approach to

477
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,039
when I recorded Ann Sold and book a studio and

478
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then get some friends to come and help me on

479
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,119
things like bass and guitar, and I do all the

480
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,839
other bits that That was the initial recording process. But

481
00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:19,759
now I've got my own home studio where I can

482
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record at home.

483
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Speaker 10: So I've.

484
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Speaker 13: Now got the problem of what I've recorded at home,

485
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I need to take that to a studio to mix

486
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it so we can get a better sound. That can

487
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at home. But I'm just trying to get my head

488
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around how to do that because I'm not very good

489
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at this recording technology out there that can help me.

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Speaker 4: So sure, sure, absolutely. We live in a time too

491
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where there's so many different ways to do it. There's

492
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so many different ways to record.

493
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Speaker 12: And.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm confident you'll get it all figured out. Is

495
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money can't buy me love? Is that going to be

496
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on an upcoming EP or album or what's kind of

497
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the your forward trajector there, or is this just going

498
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to be a single?

499
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Speaker 13: It's just going to be a single at the moment,

500
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,319
what I'm going to do. What I'm going to do

501
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:12,160
is just release singles. At the moment, I was gonna say,

502
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,599
I'm not in the mood to release an album. Yeah,

503
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,839
but I just want to write a good song, record

504
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,079
it and then release it. And then then I was

505
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,640
thinking about this the other day. Once I've done like

506
00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:28,720
twelve singles, I can release it and call it the

507
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:29,359
greatest hit.

508
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Speaker 4: That's a good idea. Well, you know, and a lot

509
00:29:34,319 --> 00:29:36,960
of artists who now they kind of do, you know,

510
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because when I was growing up, it was, you know,

511
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every everybody released albums or you might see an artist

512
00:29:42,799 --> 00:29:46,039
occasionally release an EP, mostly albums, you know, and then

513
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,880
you'd have singles from that album. Usually first single goes

514
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to radio six to eight weeks before the album, and

515
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then if the album comes out and it goes well,

516
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then you get a second single, maybe a third. But

517
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now a lot of artists are doing just literally the

518
00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:00,920
inverse of that. They release a series of singles that

519
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eventually coalesce into an official album. And nothing wrong with that,

520
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:08,960
you know, in terms of I mean algorithmically, I think

521
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,039
it works well with Spotify and some of these streaming services,

522
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,839
so yeah, not a bad approach.

523
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 13: I was thinking about, you know, the singles the albums thing,

524
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because with like things that Instagram and Spotify, albums still valid.

525
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,920
People's attention spans are quite short now, you know, it'll

526
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probably only stretch to about thirty seconds to a minute

527
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:36,640
on Instagram or song on Spotify.

528
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Speaker 11: So.

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Speaker 13: You know, an album doesn't see it seem valid to

530
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me at the moment, right, I'd rather just like go

531
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:50,079
at the flow and release something, promote that, hope it sells,

532
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:52,880
and then move on to the next thing, YEP, which

533
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,799
it is good because I'm building up like a set

534
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,400
list for live gigs as well, get it, you know,

535
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:02,839
to get it, get it longer and longer, right, so

536
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,319
when I play live, that would be my album.

537
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,559
Speaker 4: Oh okay, there you go. That makes sense. That makes sense.

538
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:17,319
Speaker 13: Just that Instagram thing and people's people's attention to things

539
00:31:18,359 --> 00:31:20,400
seems to be quite small at the moment, always sticking

540
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,240
through their phone, listening to something for ten seconds and

541
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:24,720
then they look at something else.

542
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:31,599
Speaker 4: And yeah, absolutely, absolutely, well Andrew, it's it's wonderful to

543
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,640
have you on. Like I said, we really like the

544
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,920
song money Can't Buy Me Love, and we will certainly

545
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,920
spend that again in the future. And you know, the

546
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,720
next single when whenever that is? I mean, do you

547
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:44,400
know when your your next single? Do you have an

548
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:46,400
eta on when the next one might be out? Or

549
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,400
I know you're focused on money Can't Buy Me Love

550
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,960
at the moment, So I don't know if you if

551
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,839
you have any idea, because we'd love to play the

552
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:53,880
next one too when it's ready, But I don't know

553
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:56,200
if you if you have kind of an idea of

554
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:56,880
when that might be.

555
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,839
Speaker 13: There will be something out. The Money Can't Buy Me

556
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:05,920
Love singles done quite well. So that spared me on

557
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:08,400
to think about releasing something else. And I've got another

558
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:13,119
song called Time Waster, which is ready to go, and

559
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,519
I'm just thinking of a time, maybe July or September

560
00:32:16,759 --> 00:32:20,680
to release that, okay, And it's a similar sort of

561
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:26,200
format harmonica, guitar, drum machine with a strong harmonica hook.

562
00:32:27,079 --> 00:32:31,640
But this song is about it's good. It's about fellow musicians.

563
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,119
Although the musicians who came into the studio were great,

564
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:43,799
the other musicians. You said that you played bass. It

565
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,400
must have been in bands before. And you know, have

566
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:55,400
musicians act headline slats of festivals built building up and

567
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:58,720
there might before musicians just ring me up and say

568
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:00,839
oh I can't do the gigs and all right. Yeah,

569
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,640
so that that really got me. I just thought, why

570
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:05,359
are they like this.

571
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Speaker 10: There?

572
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,599
Speaker 13: Old time wasted? So Time Wasted is a song about

573
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:12,759
musicians wasting your time?

574
00:33:13,559 --> 00:33:17,599
Speaker 4: Oh that is that is perfect? And yeah, anyone who's

575
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,039
ever anyone who's ever been a musician, and you know

576
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:23,839
we all know the pain of that.

577
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:27,519
Speaker 13: In a band.

578
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely, Andrew. So before we let you go,

579
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:34,599
where's the best place for people to go to keep

580
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,680
up with everything that you're doing? Where should they go online?

581
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,759
Speaker 13: It's my main website, which was andrewdv dot com. You'll

582
00:33:41,799 --> 00:33:42,759
find everything you need to.

583
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:47,519
Speaker 4: Know there outstanding, outstanding. No, that's easy, that's easy. So

584
00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:49,920
in a moment, we're gonna play. Uh, I'm gonna play.

585
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:52,119
I get the feeling. I'm really curious to hear that

586
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,640
and to share that with our listeners. But it's been

587
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:56,599
wonderful to talk with you today, and we'll definitely do

588
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:58,240
this in the future. It sounds like you've got a

589
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:00,680
lot of a lot of new music coming up in

590
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:03,319
your future, so we'll absolutely have you back when the

591
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,559
next singles ready, and we will keep in touch. But

592
00:34:06,799 --> 00:34:08,599
I really want to thank you for being with us today.

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Speaker 13: Thanks very much, just being a pleasure.

594
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:12,639
Speaker 4: All Right, we will do it again in the future.

595
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:14,800
My friend, I'm going to hit this track and we'll

596
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,440
let you go for now, but we'll talk to you soon.

597
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 13: Okay, Thanks very much.

598
00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:22,119
Speaker 4: You got it. Bye bye, hey bye bye. All right.

599
00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,960
That is the great Andrew Devi and he's got the

600
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:27,960
new single money Can't Buy Me Love. But right now

601
00:34:28,039 --> 00:34:29,840
we're going to play. This is a previous track that

602
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,360
he mentioned. He's had a lot of success with This

603
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,119
came out on Northern Soul back in twenty nineteen, and

604
00:34:35,519 --> 00:34:37,320
let's give this a listen. This is called I get

605
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:37,760
the feeling.

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00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 10: I got the feeling. So what I believe in when

607
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:20,159
I'm sitting next to you, that chats are real good

608
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:22,960
because it's a open.

609
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 6: And I don't know what to.

610
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 10: When you're Wellness said it By, I just know going bye.

611
00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:44,599
I always know that I got Bie. I know, I

612
00:35:44,840 --> 00:36:09,159
said of one of why I I understand that watch

613
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,719
y'all deb that I know all the things that you

614
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,079
lay major.

615
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 4: I shut up guys.

616
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:20,679
Speaker 11: By discussed.

617
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:23,679
Speaker 10: I have so because of you.

618
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,519
Speaker 12: My well, it's just typed.

619
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Speaker 10: Now it's no you go it by. I always though

620
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:43,039
that I got By and now I said, I was

621
00:36:43,320 --> 00:37:09,400
so why and by ol it's just tip by Now

622
00:37:09,519 --> 00:37:11,280
it's not get it five.

623
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 4: I always know.

624
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 10: That I got.

625
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,760
Speaker 14: I Now I said, I don't wanna go away.

626
00:37:32,239 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 4: That as I get the feeling. That is Andrew DV

627
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:26,960
from the album Northern Seoul. And thank you again Andrew

628
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,519
DV for joining us today. That was great to speak

629
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:31,639
with him. Of course, we did feature his brand News

630
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:34,320
single money Can't Buy Me Love, and I really enjoyed

631
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,159
that a lot too. This is Matt Connorton. Unleashed. We

632
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,760
are live, of course from the studios of WMNH ninety

633
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,719
five point three FM, and of course you can stream

634
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,639
the show from anywhere. Go to Matt connorton dot com

635
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,880
slash live. We do have a little bit of time

636
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:53,079
some music industry news here. This is from Music Businessworldwide

637
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:55,320
dot com. I guess it was only a matter of

638
00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,159
time before something like this happened. Streaming fraud man who

639
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:05,519
pocketed eight million dollars using hundreds of thousands of AI

640
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:11,679
songs streamed billions of times by bots pleads guilty. So

641
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:16,320
this guy set up a pretty elaborate scheme here, it says.

642
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,519
The man at the center of what's been described as

643
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:22,559
the first ever criminal prosecution for AI assisted streaming fraud

644
00:39:22,639 --> 00:39:26,519
in the US has pleaded guilty. Michael Smith of Cornelius,

645
00:39:26,559 --> 00:39:30,119
North Carolina, pleaded guilty on March nineteenth to one count

646
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:34,760
of conspiracy to commit wirefraud before US District Judge John G.

647
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:39,800
Coelty in the Southern District of New York. By the way,

648
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:44,199
I feel like wirefraud is anything that isn't specific to uh,

649
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,719
you know, if it's not shoplifting or murder or something,

650
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,000
it's wirefraud. You ever feel like that, Like, just wirefraud

651
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:53,039
is like this weird sort of catch all.

652
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 14: Well, because it ended up morphing into the Internet.

653
00:39:56,159 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 4: Right, anything involving anything electronic winds up becoming wire fraud.

654
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Speaker 10: Yep.

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Speaker 4: The charge carries a maximum sentence of five years in prison.

656
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,840
Smith has also agreed to pay over eight million dollars

657
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,920
in forfeiture. Why does he actually still have it as

658
00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:13,639
just sitting in a bank account somewhere? I wonder I

659
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,280
like it? Smith? The schedule to be sentenced on July

660
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:21,519
twenty nine. US attorney Jay Clayton said, quote, Michael Smith

661
00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:26,880
generated thousands of fake songs using artificial intelligence and then

662
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:32,159
streamed those fake songs billions of times. Although the songs

663
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,440
and listeners were fake, the millions of dollars Smith stole

664
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,360
was real, millions of dollars in royalties that Smith diverted

665
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:46,599
from real deserving artists and rights holders. Unquote. So the

666
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:50,679
guy so he figured out, I mean, it's creative and ambitious.

667
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,719
He figured out how to create all these AI songs

668
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:56,480
and then create bots that would stream them. Because obviously

669
00:40:56,599 --> 00:40:58,239
the more streams you get, the more money you get

670
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,760
if you're the artist, That's that's the thing right there.

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00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 14: It's not so much the creating the songs with AI

672
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,960
as it is the creating the bots and getting them

673
00:41:07,039 --> 00:41:09,239
to play the songs over and over and over against

674
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,639
so he could get money. Right that that's the that's

675
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,800
the real stinky part. Yeah, And in that I do

676
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,079
agree that it is taking money away from johenuine artists.

677
00:41:19,519 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 4: Right it says. Smith was first arrested in September twenty

678
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,960
twenty four in what was the first criminal case of

679
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:31,000
its kind in the US. Like I said, it was

680
00:41:31,079 --> 00:41:35,519
inevitable at that time. He was charged with three felony counts,

681
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:41,719
wire fraud, wire fraud, conspiracy, and money laundering conspiracy, each

682
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,039
carrying a maximum sentence of twenty years in prison. As

683
00:41:45,159 --> 00:41:48,440
Music Bausiness Worldwide report it, Smith initially pleaded not guilty

684
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:51,079
in front of the judge in September twenty twenty four

685
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and was released on a half million dollars bail. And

686
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,800
by the way, if any of those charges sound redundant,

687
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:03,639
wire fraud, wirefl broad conspiracy, money laundering conspiracy. You know

688
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,719
when they when they charge you with these things, they

689
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,840
they try to charge you with everything they possibly can, Right,

690
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,440
So that see what can stick, see what can stick,

691
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or if there ends up in.

692
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Speaker 14: Charge per instance. So if there's one instance and then

693
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,760
there's another instance, then that's two charges.

694
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Speaker 4: And if there ends up being an opportunity for some

695
00:42:22,079 --> 00:42:24,400
sort of a plea deal, you don't want to you know,

696
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,679
if you're the prosecutors, you want to be able to

697
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,280
negotiate from you know, you want to have as many

698
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,639
things on the table as possible, right, so you know,

699
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,199
if you in other words, if the uh, if the

700
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,840
defense wants to plead something down, well you got to

701
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,079
have as many things available to plead down from.

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00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:43,599
Speaker 12: Right.

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Speaker 4: Yep. So it says today's guilty plea to a single

704
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,199
conspiracy count carrying a max so they did. They did

705
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,440
a plead down carrying a maximum of five years rather

706
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than the combined sixty years he previously faced. Represents a

707
00:43:00,599 --> 00:43:05,519
significant reduction in Smith's legal exposure. According to the charging

708
00:43:05,599 --> 00:43:08,679
documents and statements made in court, Smith created thousands of

709
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,119
bought accounts on streaming platforms including Amazon Music, Apple Music, Spotify,

710
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,079
and YouTube Music, and used software to cause those accounts

711
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:21,840
to continuously stream songs that he owned. Smith spread his

712
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:26,519
automated streams across thousands of songs to avoid triggering the

713
00:43:26,599 --> 00:43:30,920
platform's anti fraud detection systems. To obtain the volume of

714
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,039
tracks needed for the scheme to work, Smith turned to AI,

715
00:43:34,559 --> 00:43:37,679
using it to generate hundreds of thousands of songs Wow.

716
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:42,280
Those songs were streamed by his bought accounts billions of times,

717
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,840
allowing him to fraudulently collect more than eight million dollars

718
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,079
in royalties. At the peak of his operation. According to

719
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:55,079
the Department of Justice, Smith estimated that his bots could

720
00:43:55,119 --> 00:44:00,480
generate approximately six hundred sixty one thousand, four hundred forty

721
00:44:00,559 --> 00:44:05,199
streams per day, yielding annual royalties of over one point

722
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,119
two million. The Mechanical Licensing Collective the MLC, which distributes

723
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:13,000
mechanical royalties from streaming in the US, played a key

724
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:16,960
role in identifying the fraud scheme. In a statement following

725
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,039
today's guilty plea, the MLC said, quote, Today's news highlights

726
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,599
the serious threat that streaming fraud poses to the music

727
00:44:23,679 --> 00:44:28,320
industry and the important role the MLC plays and confronting it.

728
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,559
We appreciate the Department of Justice's swift action, recognizing that

729
00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:36,159
the MLC identified the fraud early, challenged Smith and his

730
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:40,119
representatives and prevented the diversion of mechanical royalties away from

731
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,639
rightful songwriters. The MLC will continue to invest in anomaly

732
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,320
detection and fraud prevention to protect our members, and we

733
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,280
will continue to collaborate with other industry organizations and law

734
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:57,039
enforcement to protect all songwriting royalties unquote. The MLC had

735
00:44:57,039 --> 00:45:01,480
previously raised concerns about Smith's catalog, questioning how he could

736
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:05,800
produce such a high volume of music so quickly. Smith

737
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:09,280
and his representatives denied at the time that his works

738
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:10,679
were AI generated.

739
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 14: Well, of course, he's trying to game the system, and

740
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,400
he did. His problem was he was too greedy. He

741
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:19,599
didn't quit while it was head.

742
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,199
Speaker 4: Now he's in jail. Yeah, well that's what happens. I

743
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,400
mean true, you know, that's that's how people get caught.

744
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:26,119
They get greedy.

745
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 14: Yep, you know, thousands of songs though. Wow, Yeah, he

746
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:36,760
definitely was was determined. Yeah, but it is crappy if

747
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,519
that's happened. With that happening that it does rip off

748
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:41,760
for a artist, because you know, all he's doing is

749
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,880
just game in the system. With these bots that are

750
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,039
playing the song. It's not human, nobody's hearing it for real.

751
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:51,280
It's just a computer program playing repeat.

752
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:57,559
Speaker 4: But also in doing that, you know, everything that you

753
00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:02,559
do online leaves a digital footprint. It's like he had

754
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:04,840
to know on some level eventually he was going to

755
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,320
get caught, unless he was just so blinded by his screen.

756
00:46:07,519 --> 00:46:11,000
That's something I'm always fascinated by when when I see

757
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:14,079
stories like this is the psychology of it is very

758
00:46:14,119 --> 00:46:18,480
interesting to me because they must know on some level,

759
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,639
whether they're admitting the admitting it to themselves or not.

760
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,920
Maybe it's subconscious, but they must know they're going to

761
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,360
get caught because everything that you do online, you know, it's.

762
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,159
Speaker 14: Like a bank I think they think they're not going

763
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,360
to get caught. Maybe they're going to get away with

764
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:36,039
it because they figured something new out, or maybe they

765
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:38,079
figured out how to use the computer a different way.

766
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: Bank robberies always make me think about this too, Like

767
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,679
whenever I see a story, I ever hear of one

768
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,760
getting away. Well, that's the thing. Whenever I see a

769
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,800
story about a bank robbery, it's always to me, it's

770
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:51,840
always like people still even attempt to rob banks. There's

771
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,760
there's no chance you're going to get away with it.

772
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,159
Speaker 14: When's the last time you heard of somebody actually getting

773
00:46:56,159 --> 00:46:59,400
away with it. It doesn't happen exactly. I mean Bonnie

774
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,280
and Clyde didn't get away with it in the year,

775
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:03,679
you know, twenty twenty six. With all the technology that

776
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,800
we have, nobody's getting away with that. But where people

777
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,239
still try, Like somebody will still walk into a bank

778
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,760
and just hand the teller a note and think that

779
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,239
they're gonna that they're gonna get away with it. Why

780
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,079
do you think there's so many Karen videos? What do

781
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:21,239
you mean there's so many videos of people doing bad behaviors? Yeah,

782
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:25,480
because people too bad behaviors fite the fact.

783
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:28,079
Speaker 4: That you should be smart enough to know there's a

784
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:31,000
camera everywhere. Well, yeah, but I'm talking. I'm talking specifically

785
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,920
about crime and just the things that people think they're

786
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,360
going to get away with or you know, same category

787
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,599
in my book or the or the cup. Well we

788
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:39,400
you know, we open the think they're gonna get away

789
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,840
with it. Look what we opened the show with the

790
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,960
cops rated Afroman's home. Yep, they didn't get away with it.

791
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,519
There were cameras all throughout away thought they were going

792
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:48,000
to get away with that.

793
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 14: Yeah, then when they realized there were cameras, they cut

794
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,360
the cameras, but that was too late.

795
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 4: Yep. Yeah, and that just made them look all the

796
00:47:53,559 --> 00:47:56,760
more guilty. The other question this raises in my mind

797
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:59,360
is how many other people are doing this? You just

798
00:47:59,440 --> 00:47:59,840
haven't been.

799
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 14: There's gonna be some kind of a program that allows

800
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,599
people to create these bought accounts as well. Yeah, because

801
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:08,719
on the other side is seeing that as a.

802
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 4: Human Yeah, well, this guy was obviously very very smart.

803
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,199
I mean, he's probably got a genius now, yeah, but

804
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,199
he's probably well, I mean, his judgment is one thing,

805
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:20,800
but in terms of being able to pull this off,

806
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,000
and he's probably got a genius level IQ to be

807
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:24,480
able to figure out how to do all that and

808
00:48:24,519 --> 00:48:26,159
then get away with it for as long as he did.

809
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 14: Create a thousands of Like, how do you create that

810
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,679
many songs? How do you create that many accounts?

811
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 13: Right?

812
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,519
Speaker 14: I can't imagine how many bought accounts he had right

813
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,519
to get them to play enough to get him that

814
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:36,159
kind of money?

815
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:40,079
Speaker 4: Yeah, what was it a mill a month or something

816
00:48:40,159 --> 00:48:42,920
like that? No, one year? Oh, a year? So he

817
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,719
did this over the course of years, Like you got

818
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:48,960
a million go away right, right? Yeah, you do it

819
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,119
for a year and then you get out. Yeah, take

820
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:53,880
a million and go comfortably. Take a million, invest it,

821
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,559
and you know, live comfortably for the rest of your life.

822
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:59,639
Speaker 14: But not not not greed, grotesque greed.

823
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 4: Ah, yes, do we not talk about that all the time.

824
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:04,719
I don't want to give anybody the wrong idea though.

825
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,599
We're not suggesting that it would have been okay if

826
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:08,440
he had just done this for a year. And you know, no,

827
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:12,360
we're not condoning it. No, we're not condoning crime. I mean,

828
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,960
this is criminal activity, and.

829
00:49:14,039 --> 00:49:16,320
Speaker 14: It thinks because it takes a lot of attention away

830
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:20,400
from real artists. And plus those illicit plays are going

831
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:23,000
to show up, they're gonna try and make those songs

832
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:28,039
go viral by their plays. Yeah, so it messes up

833
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:31,159
a lot for a lot of real people and real artists.

834
00:49:31,519 --> 00:49:38,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's stinky. Absolutely, it was a little bit

835
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:41,000
more to this. The case was prosecuted by the Complex

836
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:44,440
Fraud and Cyber Crime Unit of the US Attorney's Office

837
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:49,440
for the SDN Y. Assistant US attorneys Nicholas Chucciello and

838
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:54,000
Kevin Mead led the prosecution. The original indictment named unnamed

839
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:58,760
Oh this is interesting, named unnamed coke conspirators, including the

840
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,760
CEO of an AI music company and a music promoter

841
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:06,000
who helped Smith produce the AI generated tracks. The legal

842
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:10,199
status their legal status has not yet been publicly disclosed. Oh,

843
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,119
because one of the things he was originally charged with

844
00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:17,239
was conspiracy. Smith's case, I'm not the price that there

845
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,920
are other people involved. Yeah, yeah. His case is the

846
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:25,079
highest profile criminal prosecution for streaming fraud globally, but it's

847
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:27,840
not the only one. In Denmark, a man was sentenced

848
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,800
to eighteen months in prison in March twenty twenty four

849
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:34,280
after being found guilty of data fraud and copyright infringement

850
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:37,119
for using bots to inflate the stream count on six

851
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,360
hundred and eighty nine tracks uploaded to platforms including Apple Music,

852
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,840
Spotify and you See Music. That sentence was subsequently increased

853
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:50,079
by to twenty four months by the Western High Court

854
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:53,360
of Denmark in February of twenty five after judge has

855
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,239
found evidence of more extensive fraud than initially proven. So

856
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,119
apparently in their system in Denmark you can jeopardy. They

857
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:06,480
could just your sentence. Wow, I think they can do

858
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:08,159
that in the US too. It just doesn't happen for

859
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:13,039
I feel like I feel like there was a weird

860
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,199
case charged with something. There was something in the United

861
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,880
States where something like that was done, and I think

862
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,079
that this was a while ago. I'll have to look

863
00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:25,400
it up. I think there's something like that was done

864
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:31,039
where a judge, a higher court judge, overruled somebody else's

865
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,880
Oh you know what, I think it was, so a

866
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:41,039
judge had reduced somebody's sentence and then another judge overturned

867
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,599
the reduction and restored the original sentence. It was something

868
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:49,440
weird and it was it was no, not exactly, but

869
00:51:49,599 --> 00:51:52,079
well it did effectively add more time. But there was

870
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:54,760
something weird like that that happened in the US that

871
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:58,000
made people really upset. Because it's in theory so that's

872
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,880
not supposed to happen. But anyway, while we are almost

873
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,159
out of time, you want to remind people about mosaic

874
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:04,880
before we go.

875
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,800
Speaker 14: Absolutely go check out the mosaic Our Collective. Currently the

876
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:13,360
Woman Wise exhibit is up and the exhibit will be

877
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,920
up until the thirtieth of this month. The gallery is

878
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,280
located at sixty six Hanover Street, Sweet two one right

879
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,840
here in the Queen City of Manchester, and go to

880
00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:25,920
the mosaic Ourcollective dot com. To check out the open

881
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:28,880
calls right now of clear to Me and shaping ourselves

882
00:52:29,079 --> 00:52:31,000
and submit your work. If you want to find out

883
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:33,320
more information about me and the good trouble I get into,

884
00:52:33,679 --> 00:52:36,079
go to Gencoffee dot com, j E N N co

885
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:37,920
O f f Ey dot com.

886
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and if you want to know more about me

887
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,559
and everything I'm up to, you can go to my

888
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,719
website Matt connorton dot com. And especially if you'd like

889
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,719
to book a hypnotherapy session, and if you go to

890
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:51,000
Matt connorton dot com slash hypnosis, that page has been

891
00:52:51,079 --> 00:52:55,000
recently updated, so a little bit of streamlining done there,

892
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:56,599
so that'll help you if you'd like to book a

893
00:52:56,679 --> 00:52:59,599
session or a free consultation. And if you miss any

894
00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,119
part of a show, of course, it will be up

895
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:03,199
in just a little bit at Matt conorton dot com

896
00:53:03,639 --> 00:53:07,360
slash live. No I'm sorry, no, just at just Matt

897
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,760
condorton dot com slash archive, I apologize, and of course

898
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:15,639
Wmnhradio dot org. I confuse there, It's okay, Well, you

899
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:17,960
know what it is. I'm distracted by the itching in

900
00:53:18,039 --> 00:53:20,159
my eyes. It is uh, it is that sea, it

901
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:24,559
is spring and everything is in blue. My eyes are itchy,

902
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,400
but I can take something for that. Thank you again

903
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,440
to Ricky Mapleton for joining us. I was last minute things,

904
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:32,679
so yeah, that was that was a lot of fun

905
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,000
and of course I Andrew Devi and congratulations once again

906
00:53:36,039 --> 00:53:38,760
to Afroman. I think we should end the show as

907
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,599
we started with some Afroman. We'll play this, uh, the

908
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,639
track that kind of started it all with this whole

909
00:53:43,679 --> 00:53:46,800
saga with the police in Ohio. Will you help me

910
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:51,320
repair my door? Will you? And that's it for us

911
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:53,280
for now. We'll talk catch you a little bit later.

912
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:54,400
Bye everybody, bye bye.

913
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 12: Will you help me repair my gay?

914
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 11: Will you help me repair my door?

915
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 12: Did you find what you.

916
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 4: Was looking for? Will you help me repair my gay

917
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:50,480
and door?

918
00:54:55,320 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 11: Would you like a slice of living pound cake? You

919
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:06,559
can take as much as you want to take them

920
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:13,079
must be a big mistake. Would you like to have

921
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:24,119
a slice of my limon pound care? The warrant said,

922
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:33,719
narcotics said kidnapping? The warrants said, narcotics and kidnapping? Are

923
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:39,360
you kidding? I make my money rapping. Why does the

924
00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:45,079
warrant say narcotics? Well, I know narcotics, but why kidnapping?

925
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:52,199
Let me ask you something opposerte any kidnapping victims inside

926
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:57,760
my suit pockets? Are there any kidnapping victims inside my

927
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:58,800
soup pockets?

928
00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 4: You cooked cops need to stop it.

929
00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 11: They're off No kidnapping.

930
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:12,119
Speaker 4: Victims in my soup pocket.

931
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:15,639
Speaker 15: Let me ask you another question.

932
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 11: Is there a thousand tounds of weed in my soup pockets?

933
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:26,480
Is there a thousand pounds of weed in my soup pockets?

934
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:33,920
You cooking cops need to stop it. There's not a

935
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:42,000
million pounds of weed in my soup hockets. Let me

936
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:47,480
ask you something else. Any kidnapping victims inside my CD?

937
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:56,760
Any kidnapping victims inside my CDs? The Adams County Sheriff's Department,

938
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:03,639
you can get these. There are no kidnapping victims in

939
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:13,400
my in my CDs? How many pounds of weed are

940
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:19,480
inside my CDs? How many pounds of weed are inside

941
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:20,400
my CDs?

942
00:57:22,519 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 4: Adams got to share? You can get these.

943
00:57:27,719 --> 00:57:33,719
Speaker 11: How many pounds of weed did you find in my CD?

944
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:46,880
Why are you stealing my money? Why are you stealing

945
00:57:47,159 --> 00:57:54,440
my money? You represent the LUH and it's funny you're

946
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still in my legal work.

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Speaker 11: Hey taxes money. The sheriff disconnected my cameras. The sheriff

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disconnecting my cameras.

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Speaker 4: The sheriff should be locked up in slammers.

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Speaker 11: The Adams County Sheriff Department disconnected my camera.

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