Speaker 1: What is up, fellas Echo's I Am Dana Valley coming
at you with the one and the only, this certified
fantabulous mister Grant hughes the season look Ahead offseason look
Ahead train excuse me continues to roll onward. We are
on to the Utah Jazz, who aren't about that tanking shit. Grant,
no more, thank you. Austin Inge, how are you doing
before we get started?
Speaker 2: I'm I'm ready to not tank this offseason. Lookhead either,
you're not gonna have to worry about that, just like
you don't have to worry about the Jazz losing on purpose.
They'll do it without, They'll do it naturally.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the place to start is because you
see the Austin Ainge comments, and I think they've been
overblown because you mentioned you sort of alluded to this.
You can be the Jazz, use your picks, do whatever
you want this offseason and try to win in the West,
and you will still finish fourteenth or fifteenth next year. Probably.
So I thought it was it felt like him trying
to make this show of force, and I just think
people kind of bought into it when I don't think
all right, Walker Kesler won't be taking five three pointers
a game at some point next like that might be
what he means by we're no longer tanking. But I
do think it lents itself to the question of do
the Utahazz need to take a bigger swing this offseason
because we're now three seasons into their rebuild and they
do not. They don't have a single person player on
this team that is their guiding force of the future.
I think the closest they come, if we were to
rank them, is Will Hardy, their head coach. Then there's
a gap, and then it's like, is it Larry Marketing?
Is it Isaiah Collier? Is it Walker Kessler? Is it
that you could say the number five pick, that's probably
I guess the number five pick is the answer right now?
Speaker 2: Right sure, unless you say any of the future first
rounders in drafts even later than this one like that.
Speaker 1: Well that's a problem then because you're just sitting here
waiting around for those That's what.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, the core issue here is the cornerstone problem
and that the Jazz don't have one that that that's
the thing to work through here. Do they need to
take a big swing? Let's talk about like, what what
does that look like? What does that mean? Like? Because
to me, but we'll get into it here with some
of their their cap situation. Good this is so they're
gonna have about maybe more than thirty million in room
beneath the tax which will depend on some of the
non guarantees on the roster. That includes salaries they're gonna
pay the first rounders. This could be a higher number
before we get into so they'll have the non tax
payermid level, they'll have the biannual. They already have thirteen
guaranteed contracts including those two first rounders. Got a billion
picks coming in the next few drafts, eleven. Actually they
have control of the cap space thing I want to
ask you, and we can you can take we can
jump around after this, like there's a possibility, given the
number of expiring contracts they have on the books, that
they could be a Brooklyn Nets cap cap room level
team next off season. Because you've got Clarkson, You've got Collins,
help me, you got Collin Sexton, You basically don't and
Marketing's deal is the only big one on the books.
So could you could you think as the Jazz, like
let's let that money come off, let's be a massive
free agent player. I know, stop laughing against the Jazz
that that doesn't happen for them. Can we be like,
can we carve out a ton of cap space for
next offseason? Take on assets, then be the facilitator, be
in the Brooklyn role that everybody's so envious of this
summer because everything goes through Brooklyn. There's there's more competition
probably next summer. We don't know. A bunch of teams
could spend up with a cap space or do you
take on longer money? Now by trading those expirings and
and filling up the books, you remove the cap space
play and then you get just the conventional get assets
for the trouble of taking stuff on. You got a
couple options, and I don't know what the right one is.
So what have you have you given that? Some thought like, well,
I know that's this offseason, but the Jazz could really
be gaming this for an offseason well after this one.
Speaker 1: There will be a point in the slide show where
it asks are they better off? How does that impact it?
Because they could have seventy plus guy, Yes we did not,
So I think it's going to factor in a huge deal,
and I'm not. I don't. What's interesting is when people
point out that capspace doesn't matter in Utah for free agency,
they're probably right, except they're also very wrong because two things.
You can always do something like Indiana did with Bruce
Paz in twenty twenty three. It's not a star, but
you inflated someone's deal that you can then use in
a trade. Or by the way, Keith Smith of spow
Track says this all the time. Capspace isn't just about
free agents. You can use it in trades, to facilitate trades,
to really define trades. It can be the difference for
if you're going out and you identify the player that
you want. Oh it, we gave up one or two
fewer first round picks than we would have because we
were just able to absorb a bunch of money. What
I think is probably not being talked about enough though,
and you mentioned it a couple of times. They have
so many expiring contracts this year that they could probably
just functionally do the same thing like if they wanted to,
like John collins Is, teams could look at assuming he
picks up his player options, teams will look at him
or Clarkson or Colin Sexton as either relief down the
line or someone else they could flip for more value
later that might appeal to teams more now. So I
don't think it functionally changes what they do this offseason,
aside from if you're on the fence about someone or
you're thinking about making a move just for the sake
of making a move or taking on bad money. Let's
say I do think it could it'll it'll impact them
there to where it's if you want them to be
the Jeremy Grant team or something, if Portlands want to compensate,
they're probably not going to be that team because they
think if they'll want to roll over, like now, if
it's someone that has only a year left so that
they're an expiring contract, actually, like that's the Sam Presty special, right,
continuing to roll over like the expiring years. But I
think that if you're looking at them to take on,
you know, a player that has more than one season
left on his contract, like or two total, that's probably
where like maybe they would draw the line to.
Speaker 2: Me, okay, because that is that has been sort of
the conventionally discussed use of expirings, right, it's like for
a for a team in their position, and it's like, hey,
we'll send you Collins's if he picks up the option
twenty six and a half million, send him out for
someone that makes roughly similar money for a longer stretch
of time or maybe more if you preserve enough cap
space via other means with picks attached, Like that's that's
the playbook for the expiring contract. So you're saying you
don't like the idea of that, because just keeping that
space clear allows you to get assets potentially as a
facilitator and other trades that don't have the bad money attached.
Like that's that's like kind of plan a basically.
Speaker 1: Right, because I just think, like even when you're talking
about how valuable the open space is so to speak,
we very rarely just see like player, like a top
what forty player was just sent basically for cap space,
and like that just doesn't happen anyway, So I don't
think it needs to impact them too much. But at
the same time, like if you're starting to get itchy
or you've view next summer as kind of that inflection
point where if the number five pick doesn't pan out,
like we really and he hit the turbo button elsewhere.
That's where that becomes super valuable. So I think it's
I really don't I'm repeating myself. I don't think it
impacts that this offseason too much. Aside, and by the way,
there are just so few long term deals on the
books that it's just like them thinking someone with two
more seasons we're not going to take. That list is
so short. But like a Bradney Beal is an example,
if he was ever to wave his no trade clause
to go to Utah, they probably don't want that really
big ass expiring contract on the books either, because those
can be we look at them as like these really
awesome trade chips. It's like, no, like fifty plus million
dollars is actually pretty hard to move in.
Speaker 2: A trade increase, and it's only getting harder. I think
that's right.
Speaker 1: We will get to needs and targets as always, but
I think we should begin with the extension eligibility of
Walker Kessler. This is just for reference. He's not getting
the max, but a four year rookie max would be
four years and one hundred and ninety point five million,
or five years and two hundred and forty six point
seven million. I feel fairly confident in saying he is
going to sign for neither of those values. But grant
how much is he worth? And is he worth more
to the Jazz given their current situation where this is
a player who is he's valuable. He can be the
base of your of a defense. It'd be nice to
see better talent in front of him he show. I mean,
he did take threes last year. He shot like fifty
four percent from floida range as well. Like, how like,
if you're the Jazz, what are you doing here?
Speaker 2: Is he more?
Speaker 1: Is it better? Because if you extend him, you're probably
not gonna trade him then, so is it better to
just extend him? And if so, like, what's the number
that would get you? Yeah, we have to pounce on
this or is it better to like, just as an example,
does it make more sense to hold that? Like if
the Lakers came with the Mark Williams special and said,
here's Dalton connect a twenty thirty swap and our twenty
thirty one first for Walker Kessler? Are you turning that down?
Speaker 2: I mean I would think pretty hard about that if
I'm Utah, partly because of the extension and how difficult
it is to figure out. He's a really dangerous player
type to extend because he is a non stretch, non
switch big I know, I know, like you, certainly those
guys have more utility than they did like three four
years ago when it was like, oh, you can't play
that guy. It's unless he's Rudy Gobert. There's just it's untenable.
But like my first thought was, like, I don't know,
are we talking like yaka parole money maybe like this,
I you know, do you go over one hundred for
four years? Like that seems crazy? But then Kessler also,
like your list going down the list of like who
are their corners, Like he's I think he's their best
young player, like by a pretty considerable margin, or at
least the most established of their young guys, not not
including market In in that group. He's he's like in
the middle of his career at this point. So like
it would be easy enough for the Jazz to say, like, yeah,
we'll do four for one forty Like that's I don't
know that that look how far below is Max? That
is right, He's been one of the most productive players
of his rookie rookie class, like you could justify that.
I would feel very uncomfortable with that, just because I
think he's he's maybe not quite good enough to be
like he's he's the reason We'll just have a top
five defense forever, Like he's not that level, And then like,
what is he doing for a team that's this bad
and this young and has this few like projectable really
good players, Like if you were if the Jazz had
like sniffed the playoffs last year because their defense was awesome. Maybe,
but right now it's like, I think four for one
hundred is I don't know how you could go much
above that.
Speaker 1: Right, And so I would say this is that I
probably would think because as you mentioned, like the max
for rookies is twenty five percent coming off the rookie scale,
it is twenty five percent of salary cap. So when
you were just lowering it four for one forty, you've
like basically slashed that to twenty percent of the salary
cap or less. And that's first starting center, which I
believe that Walker Kesler is. That's not the end of
the world. I don't know if you call great value.
That's a number maybe I'm thinking about. But if I'm
the Jazz, and this goes for all teams. And I'm
not saying I'm pro corporation here, but just the way
that the rules are set up, I don't understand why,
especially for like the non superstars, just take it to
restricted free agency. We just don't see offer sheets given out.
The Jazz were actually the last one to give out
an RFA offer sheet for Paul Reid. It was Paul
It was Paul Reid grant.
Speaker 2: And wasn't that like weirdly like uh right tweet if
the Philly yeah screwed the Sixers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was just it ended up not even
guaranteeing anyway. So I just I'm taking it to restricted
free agency almost no matter what. Now, Okay, if he's like,
I will sign for four for eighty, yeah, I think
you were even four for one hundred, you probably have
to do it because like twenty five million dollars moving
forward to the salary cap is like what fifteen percent
or close to it, So like, I think you have
to do that. But if he's gonna maybe he wants
to roll the dice too, then you just wait, because
what's the harm. Who is is some one who's gonna
have cap space nextually coming in and like tying up
their flexibility and all their cap space and Walker Kessler. No,
that's not what's happening. Yeah, and so it does leave
the am I doing the Lakers trade. Yeah, I don't think.
I don't want to say I don't think he's an
NBA player, but like the Dalton Connects stuff is just
I view him as like a second round flyer. I
don't view him as his first round prospect level. I'm
thinking about it. I like, what if there's no protections
on that first then it basically there can't be if
you want it to convey I probably do it, but
like Lucas on this team now, so it's not the
Lebron timeline. I think you need to factor that in.
But I'm probably doing it just because I look at
it now and say, well, maybe I don't want to
pay Walker Kesler fifteen to twenty percent of the salary
cap moving forward because I don't think I'm gonna be
good enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think the reluctance to pay Kessler.
I think for the Jazz to me has as much
to do with the quality of the team and like
where they are in their competitive trajectory. It has more
to do with that than with like how good he
actually is if that makes sense, Like for them, it
doesn't make sense to have one hundred million dollars center
right now like that. I just don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make it. I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Would you trade him to the Knicks for the money?
Could work easily, but you get both of their swaps
in twenty thirty and twenty thirty two, and if they'll
give you, like you could have Colic or Dottie and
that Wizard's pick which is gonna be two seconds, you
would do so. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, like again, like, what's what is Kessler getting you
right now? As the Jazz, I'd rather just have I'd
rather just try to short the future of more teams.
That's why the Lakers thing is compelling to me too,
even though they have Luca. It's just like, I don't know,
you got control of so much control of Cleveland and
Minnesota and you could just throw another team in there
and somebody's gonna suck. So one of these is gonna
pay off.
Speaker 1: Lowry marketing grant. People want to know if he's gonna
get traded, do you want to take us through some
stuff on him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the question is what is his value? And
that's become harder because he's kind of slipped in from
his all star level of a couple of years ago
and has not been playing very much. Now with Austin
Ainge in charge, I'm sure he's gonna play all eighty
two games, if only to avoid one hundred thousand dollars fines.
But he is still on the books, well, not still
thanks to the deal last summer, is on the books
for one ninety one hundred ninety five point nine million
over the next four years. Easy for me to say,
which takes him through this surprised me through his age
thirty one season. Lari Markinin is not young anymore, he's
twenty seven. Can he improve his trade value this season?
I think a lot of that would depend on how
good Utah is and how much he's going to play.
Do they have the infrastructure to set him up for success.
That would probably include like quality point guards. They have
a couple prospects on that front. They're both iffy and
call you're in Kyante, George. Now, if the offers aren't great,
do you just keep him? He's not hurting the rebuild
because a big guy that can shoot on the move
just opens the offense up and maybe that helps your
young guards play better. That space is the floor for us,
so your bigs have more room to operate inside, Like
is a value add But if you're the Jazz, are
you just kind of looking around at like where we
are and ask if this was the same question that
we talked about last summer when he was up for
an extension slash potentially being traded. It's like, what use
do we really have for this guy that's clearly like
not remotely in our timeline, Like and do what do
we risk by not trading him? Like will his value
go up? Will it go down? Like?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: So the pieces don't He doesn't fit here really in
terms of like the age bracket. But but he helps
he helps other guys look better. So are you trading him?
Like what's that return need to look like for you?
Speaker 1: Do you?
Speaker 2: Wait? You know, see if he ups his value with
another All Star season? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't think you. So Here's my thing is that
I've seen people frame it. It's like you should just
move him because he doesn't make sense here. That's not
why you move a player if he was winning you
too many basketball games even when he was playing, that's
one thing he was not, and so you're trading him.
You're the Jazz. We went over this at the top.
You have eleven first round picks coming to you over
the next like, you have extra first round picks, unless
those picks are gonna be super high end, And because
you don't kind of have a cornerstone right now, you
might not actually be as interested in the like if
the Miami Heat just came calling as an example, it says,
here's how my Hawks will give you the two distant
first round picks that we could like twenty thirty and
twenty thirty two or twenty nine twenty thirty one. I
don't know if that's enough, just because if I'm Utah,
I need kind of more. And maybe you're super high
on how my hawk is. I don't know. So I'm
looking at it as unless it's at like, unless the
team is gonna you're not getting what the Nets got
for mikel Bridge. That's not happening because the lowry marketing
is contract. I do think it's lower his value even
had he played well, there's value in having him under contract.
But at this number, he's no longer this super net positive.
But like, because he's not harming the rebuild, I don't like,
unless the offers are gonna bowl you over, this is
you don't have to move him because you know what
if his value gets even lower, do you know what happens, Grant? No,
how has that hurt Utah? Like it's at some point
it's now his deal is only gonna have fewer years
left on it, So by the time you're ready to contend,
he's either gonna have what two years are being expiring contract.
So even if he's like the worst basketball player in
the NBA, he's not immovable. And like spoiler alert, the
Jazz aren't gonna be contenders next season, and if they are,
it's not gonna because in spite of Larry market In
either because yeah, so I don't understand the I understand
why people look at this because they want to see
him on a good team and think good team should
make an offer. I don't think the offers are gonna
be commeasure it with like not even what he's necessarily
worse to Utah, but just like with the value proposition
of well, let's just like that guy can at least play,
and if you're looking at these deals, you're getting picks
from probably teams that will be better, and then are
you getting salary they don't want? So I don't think
they I'm not outright opposed to moving him. Again, if
someone just comes with an offer that you can't refuse, yeah,
do it? Like if hughs came calling because Houston created
its own trade market and was like, we'll give you
Jabari Smith number ten other stuff for Larry Marketing. Sure,
like yeah, you absolutely have to listen. But like if
you're just getting two first round picks in salary, no,
I don't think you move Larry Marketing.
Speaker 2: Now what what do you what do you think about
the idea that like, he does play really well and
he does hurt the tank, so you know what I mean,
Like you say he's not hurting the tank? Like what if?
What if he's the reason?
Speaker 1: I mean this is that you trade before, but then
you trade him for the real value that you want.
And it's like you you have the leverage of saying
we'll just shut him down and take a couple million
dollars worth of fines for the last like fifty games
in the season wherever it is. So I don't like
that is an easier problem to solve than like looking
back and just saying like we traded Larry market In
for the number twenty seven and number twenty one picks
in like alternating drafts or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I see, I could see the lot,
Like if you have to trade him because he's hurting
the tank, then that's a great problem because his value
is high all of a sudden.
Speaker 1: And it's just I don't think you're in a position
to where even if this contract ages poorly that it
hurts what vision you're on. That hurts you if you
need to be a contender right away, which the Jazz
and this is putting it charitably, or at least two
years away, in which case you can already see the
horizon at the end of the Larry Marketing deal at
that point, if it.
Speaker 2: Like he's you saying like, well, he's not gonna hurt it,
He's not gonna hurt the tank. In two years, it's like, well,
when he's retired, the Jazz will be ready to contend,
Like at some point, like in the mid twenty thirties,
I guess like you really won't be an issue. It
feels that far off.
Speaker 1: Honestly, do you know what's a more fascinating conversation to me?
And I guess this would be a good time to
pivot to kind of like well, what do they need?
What is the targets? What if you try to use
Larry market and to accelerate your position of getting a
cornerstone to where you recognize you're not a contender, But
is there just something to that? Whereas I think preferably
you would use you have com sexts in Jordan Clarkson, John,
you have all this expiring money, you have some prospects,
teams might be interest it in. You have all this
extra first round equity, but you also have lowry marketing
like that depending on what the team is that's sending you,
who that's sending you, what like that might be of
interest to them. But I want to ask you, though,
this goes back to the Austin Age comments, like do
you agree though that they were kind of being overblown?
First of all, the whole work like we don't do
that here anymore when it comes to decade.
Speaker 2: I think that's the way people wanted to take it.
But I agree with you that it was more like, well, one,
it's like we're trying not to get fined, so we're
gonna say up front that, oh no, no, we will
not do you know, no Shenanigans here. But yeah, I
think the way I took it was like the way
the way I interpreted it cynically was like, yeah, of
course you're not gonna do that because you're just gonna
be really bad organically and you're not gonna need to
pull a bunch of you know, shifty moves to be
bad and he but he can't say that. It is
like half half projection of like we're turning it around
and half like acknowledgment of like we're bad, then we
that's just where we are. I don't know.
Speaker 1: So I think we could talk about like actual archetypes
or like needs to fill. But their biggest need is
it's a cliche, but like it's important and it's really
important for them because we're three seasons into the rebuild.
They need that tempole cornerstone. And so I want to
ask you, if you're Utah, how aggressive are you this offseason?
And I'll like just to add a layer to it,
is it we have number five? Maybe we could look
at moving up in the draft a little bit. Can
we get into the top could we? I mean, it
seems like the Spurs might be shopping number two as
we're recording this, or be willing to move it. Is
it something like that? Are you? Is it just no,
We'll use number five and like that. Hopefully that pans out.
If not, we'll continue to remain patient, build try to
build through the draft. Or is there like could you
talk yourself into identifying the right player and saying, like
what if it's Jahn Morant, what if it's Tree Young,
what if it's LaMelo Ball? Do you go out and
try and accelerate your position by saying, no, we're not
trying to contend next year, we're not mortgaging, but we
believe we can get somebody who's maybe a little maybe
on the lowry marketing timeline. But that gives us sort
of a guiding force to move forward with, like what
is your you're running the jazz, how are you approaching that?
Speaker 2: So I had not really ever considered option two of like,
let's go get a second veteran star. We have marketing,
we have Kesseler. Let's see where that gets us. And
I guess. I guess I shy away from that because
of how far away I think they are, even with
those other guys I just mentioned. So I still think
I'm playing it just sort of buy the rebuild book
of let's let's lose, let's collect young players and picks,
and hopefully this this number five pans out. If you
could trade up to two, I'd be very interested. Other
than that, like, I don't the difference between three and
like twelve, to me is like you read a lot
of draft write ups, it's like, I don't know, like
it's it doesn't seem like there's a there's no consensus
there that there's like a clear you know, advantage to
being third versus fourth, versus fifth versus eighth or whatever.
Speaker 1: You would just have to say, we're in love with VJ.
Edgecomb or like that's what you would need just to think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which even even that would be somewhat encouraging, because
it's like, Okay, they found a guy they really like,
maybe this is the one. Maybe they're right about this.
Yeah it's boring, but I I think I just play
it straight and I just wait, I continue to wait.
Like they ran into bad luck. They ran into bad
luck really like they were too good for a couple
of first halves might have cost them women Yama like,
we're just you know, like that's you can't let that
just short circuit the whole plan. I don't think. Maybe,
like because the names you mentioned like Jah Moran or whoever,
Like what's how good are you? Are you good enough?
Like I guess if you don't have to give up
too many of those picks you have in that giant
surplus for that, there's that could be compelling, especially if
your jazz fan that wants to watch a team that's competitive.
I get it, but I think I'm just slow playing it.
Speaker 1: Still, what about you, honestly, because if it was like
LaMelo Ball, where it's just someone who's super young or
kind of early into that rookie extension, Like is there
a I don't think they are. And actually got trolled
for one of my hottest like Blazer's takes on social
media the other day. But like if the Blazers were
open and just talking about Scoot Henderson, I think he's
gonna be better than any of the guards Isaiah Collier or
Keante George they have in place. Yeah, right now, he's
already better than them. Quite frankly to me, I know
Collier or the passing whatever, I'm more open to it
than I think you are. But I don't think that
that's like you go into this offseas and like, no,
that's what we have to do. I would be more
inclined of saying, like, would you do this as an example,
John Collins, and let's say Colin Sexton and number five
for Paul George in number three.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, I don't think I want that Paul George contract.
I think that's a good illustration though, of how it's generally.
I don't want to I don't want to take a swing.
But what I guess, what I really mean, more precisely
is like it's got to tell me the guy like
it's got certain guys, Yeah, like you LaMelo is a
great example. I think you do if you can get
LaMelo for Garland.
Speaker 1: If I don't know why, by the way, we're gonna
mention this like probably I don't know why there's reporting
that Cleveland would consider a move that just seems like
such a boneheaded move.
Speaker 2: But you can't get better by trading Darius Garland. I
don't think yeah, no, yeah, like LaMelo, Sure, Garland, Sure, Moran,
I don't know, just run down the list of like
young Scoot that you have my you have my interest.
But yeah, like it would have to be pretty specific
and none come to mind as obvious and like and
also like gettable, you know what about like here's it?
Speaker 1: What about you? Alan Brown?
Speaker 2: So you're built around Brown, Kessler Marking in and whatever,
like young guys main you want that Brown contract? You sure?
Speaker 1: I'm just asking questions, grant asking questions of you. I don't.
I mean, it depends on the cost. But if it's
like number five and salary, and I guess I I
don't hate it because you have all this other stuff
left over. But the idea of paying Larry Marketing and
Jaalen Brown one hundred million dollars combined is just like
we're not even sure we have our best player like
that you can consider that'd be awkward. But John Brown, Walker,
Kestl and Larry market is a heck of a front line.
Speaker 2: It's it's pretty good. Yeah, then then the onus is
really on the Jazz to final a point guard.
Speaker 1: They tried what about two other names? We're just sticking
with Grizzlies. Would you like Jaron Jackson Junior or Desmond Baine.
Do those two do anything for you?
Speaker 2: Jackson more than bain just because the him and marketing together,
I really like up front would be would be pretty
interesting offensively. I don't know if Jackson is like right
on the borderline of young enough to to like for
me to be excited about that. Yeah, I don't know.
I I Baine know, I don't. I don't think. I
think bain Is has proved he's like a third guy
on a team that is, you know, dangerous, but not
a real contending threat. So that that's probably that's the
kind of guy you The bain the Baine classic player
at that pay raade is one I think you want
to avoid, right Like you need someone either younger and
hope and or better. I think if you're if you're
taking the swing.
Speaker 1: Would you do that? And I feel like they the
Jazz probably have close to like choose your own adventure
trade assets, right, like create your own market. Yeah, what
if you just went and you were able to keep
lowry market as part of the process, and you went
to the heat and we're able to get Bam out
of Bio.
Speaker 2: I'm now I'm now I'm on board because he transforms
a whole end of the floor for you, and that now,
like you could some things become possible with someone like Bam.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to think of like and he's like
older too, Like he's closer to thirty than he is
to twenty three. Right, So yeah, I don't what about
Doma Sabonis.
Speaker 2: Sa Bonus and marketing together, you're not guarding anybody. I mean,
he would help with the like, if you're not sure
about your point guards, you can run a lot through Sabonis.
I I don't think it would be very on brand
for me though, to suggest that the jet shouldet Sibonis.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you're anti Tree Young for this team. I
would agree with you, by the way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a closer question than you might think,
just because then you haven't.
Speaker 1: You're also wondering, like what it cost basically almost nothing
to get not nothing, but it's like, oh, not the
number five pick, but it's like first rounders and expiring
contracts like that. Right, Yeah, that's a composition.
Speaker 2: Wondering what you were gonna have Boston send with Jalen
Brown to get him to the jest just because.
Speaker 1: That Peyton Pritchard, Like what what I mean? What about? Why?
Speaker 2: Why Peyton Prichard?
Speaker 1: I was just you're asking for now, who do you
want them? You want them to get Drew Holiday too?
Speaker 2: Like that's like saying, you suggest you've just suggested multiple
white guys for the Jazz.
Speaker 1: Well I'm about to suggest Am I about to suggest
another white guy? No? Not, Uh, I'm just would you
do it for Anthony Davis?
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 1: If he said I'll stay, I'll sorry my next deal here? Well?
Speaker 2: Was Walker Kessler? Gone? No? Walker because Ad is not center? Right? Uh,
that's a fun front line. If Kessler Davis Markinen gotta
be you love the three seven footers up there, that's
kind of fun. I'm not against that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that team. I have no idea. Would
you go would they be a Jamal Murray team if
he was available?
Speaker 2: Oh? Man, No, I don't think that that contract and
he's he's too old.
Speaker 1: I think the point of this exercise is how hard
it is to find someone who's like the exact right
fit for the Jazz to hit the turbo button. They're like,
there's to use the nuggets as like the example is
just it would make more sense for you Utah to
try and swoop in pick up Michael Porter Junior as
part of a larger move for the Nuggets and get
compensated for doing so. Then it would be for them
to go all out for Jamalmurray. There's a couple of
names where I think it would work, But like when
we name some of those guys, LaMelo Ball is an example,
the Hornets. Unless you're getting the kind of the same
thing with Larry Market and this hole, they should just
trade LaMelo and rebuild around Brandon Miller and the number
four pick. Okay, great, you don't just do that just
because like you need to be bowled over by an offer.
And so if he gets traded to the Jazz, I'm
kind of like, all right, well, what did they give
up to get him? Like was it seven first round picks?
Or what did we not find out about LaMelo Ball? Right,
he's like a human trafficker or something on the side, Like, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, there's two options, and neither of them is great. Yeah, no,
it is really hard and even you know some of
the some of the stuff you you're thrown out there
is like, yeah, even that feels like a slow more
of a slow, deliberate play as opposed to like, Okay,
we got this guy and now we're hey, we could
finish sixth in the in the West. Like no, it's
there's no magic, there's no silver bullet here. It's just
even if even if you take the ambitious course of
like let's go get talent, it's still like we still
need to draft and develop around that to have like
any kind of like playoff aspirations.
Speaker 1: And to wrap up, I don't like getting into the
biggest needs with this team because I actually don't think
Walker Kestler is the closest they come. And I know
they have a billion fours, including Larry Marketing. There's no
position or archetype that you just say there's no one
good enough on this roster, turn down anything. But if
we're talking free agency, if they're at a point in
the draft where they want to take a flyer on
your selecting for need, they need wings, like they still
just they they have a shit ton of what feel
like pure fours at the moment.
Speaker 2: It is hardly right.
Speaker 1: So and like they even I think you could also like, yes,
they need a ten poll first, and like do they
even have a floor general, Is it Collier? Is it George?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Do they have enough there? I just like there's Cody Willing, Like,
who are the wings on this team? Cody Williams. And
I don't think I'm not put sense of bas more
of like a guard or a swing man. And Keny
Martin Junior is not a wing. Larry Markin is not
a wing. It's I mean, Johnny Juzg is probably like
Jayden Springer, So yeah, it would be if I had
to distilled down, it'd be wings. But they're to me,
they're very much in talent accumulation mode. And I we
haven't mentioned him once, and I feel like I'm obligated
to do PSOB because I think he could be better
than Jaron Jackson Junior one day. I will not give
up on Taylor Hendrix. Healthy. Taylor Hendrix is coming. Everybody.
You heard it here, probably not first, but you heard
it here.
Speaker 2: You heard it here again because we have talked up
Taylor Hendricks. Yeah, no, I agree, it's just to wrap
it like this team more than almost We've talked about
plenty of rebuilders, but like just to compare it like Washington, Well, okay,
they maybe bub Carrington's something at the guard, maybe coolbal
Is something on the wing, and maybe Alex SR or
something in the middle. It's just like the Jazz just
don't It's just they just need someone that you can
look at and be like maybe he's the one, you know,
like that. They just don't have that guy, and until
they get him, it's gonna be justler available at all times.
Speaker 1: Really go into this, like you can't know, like what
would need to happen in summer League with whoever they
drafted number five to feel like you know that that's
gonna be the guy.
Speaker 2: H Yeah, I mean what you don't want is for
it to be like a Cody Williams situation where it's
clear like pretty quick, like oh no, like that that's
there's a long way to go for someone like that.
But yeah, well we didn't look.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry we didn't mention this and we should have,
Like would you use lowry marketing to move up to
number two or is that like too much to get?
Like if it was number five and lowry marketing for
number two, I don't know if the Spurs even want
that salary when they're thinking about, Okay, we have Fox
and then Wemby in a couple of years. But they're
pretty they could be pretty flexible, like for the next
like they don't have to worry about finances probably until
the third like with I don't know two years from
now at minimum.
Speaker 2: I think if if what you hear and read about
and have seen from Dylan Harper, if you think that's real,
if you think it is like, oh, he might really
have like some all NBA ceiling or like several like
all Star games, Like I think you we've just said
they don't have the guy, and if there's a chance
he's the guy, then I think you do trade whatever
you got to get to get him, because then it
just organizes your whole thing. It's like you you then
have more direction on Okay, what do we need now
to support him? Since he's the one you know? Like that,
that just there's added value in just having a kind
He gives you a direction. When you get the guy
in there, that's the cornerstone, that's what you build on
top of and around like that. The Jazz don't have that,
So yeah, I think you should be willing to make
pretty wild ass trades for that.
Speaker 1: Why isn't has that been one that's floated around that. No,
I feel like that has a that's weird. Maybe it's
because people view fire markets deals underwater, Like could the
Jazz Spurs just say, why are we moving down to
take on that cont could be like a reasonable response,
So if you're including something else, But I haven't seen
that floated anywhere. But yeah, if I'm Utah, it's one
of those things where, oh, that's a risk for the Spurs,
but it feels like a lot for Utah. It's like,
move on just three spots. But I'd probably do it
if I'm Utah, I think.
Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah, A lot depends on the perception
of marketing this contract. That's true. Anything else on the
jazz Nope, all right, need a cornerstone, that's and they
should trade.
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