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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the fifty five Caarasy Morning Show. It's
Speaker 1: also players. They have Ken cob Or FOP president for
Speaker 1: the CINCINNT Police Department, on to talk about matters related
Speaker 1: to the police. Ken, welcome back. It's good to have
Speaker 1: you on this morning.
Speaker 2: Hey, good morning, Brian, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Local development in the eighteen year old Ryan Hinton we
Speaker 1: was shot after fleeing a stolen vehicle with a firearm
Speaker 1: in his hand. Hamilin County Prosecutor County Pillage said yesterday
Speaker 1: it was justified. And I know the Clinton family or
Speaker 1: Hinton family rathers does not agree with that, but prosecutorial discretion.
Speaker 1: Apparently she looked at all the evidence and said, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was reasonable for him to fire on Hinton because
Speaker 1: he was carrying a firearm and was waving it around
Speaker 1: at him. Your response to this, I presume you were
Speaker 1: pleased with the outcome.
Speaker 3: Oh, without a doubt. I mean, this was something that
Speaker 3: we fully expected was coming. I wish it would have
Speaker 3: been sooner. But I also understand that, you know, Prosecutor
Speaker 3: Pillach is new at her job, and you know, I'm
Speaker 3: glad that she took the time to look at all
Speaker 3: the evidence and came to the same conclusion I think
Speaker 3: everybody else is going to.
Speaker 1: Well, she had things to like attend to protest over
Speaker 1: the weekend, so you know, you got to give her
Speaker 1: some time to get her politics out.
Speaker 4: You're not touching. That not a good look, You're not.
Speaker 2: It's certainly not a good look.
Speaker 4: Anyway.
Speaker 1: So this, obviously the my understanding is the officer is
Speaker 1: back on the job. Never been named, and I was
Speaker 1: pleased that they didn't name him because we all know
Speaker 1: in this modern world with doc seeing and attacks on
Speaker 1: members of you know, elected officials and others, that this
Speaker 1: officer certainly could have faced a lot of that. So
Speaker 1: the officer is back at work, is that correct?
Speaker 3: That's correct. I talked to the officer probably three times
Speaker 3: this week about some of these things that are going on.
Speaker 3: Back to work doing well. I think this is probably
Speaker 3: going to be a step in the right direction to
Speaker 3: be able to kind of be able to move on
Speaker 3: with the rest of their career in life.
Speaker 4: And this kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I suppose it's impossible for anyone who has not been
Speaker 1: involved in a situation where their life is in jeopardy,
Speaker 1: where someone is standing who obviously is at least at
Speaker 1: least by all evidence, appears to have been engaged in
Speaker 1: criminal conduct. To start, they were in a stolen vehicle
Speaker 1: and they were fleeing the law enforcement officers who and
Speaker 1: you correct me if I'm wrong, we're ordering them to stop, halt,
Speaker 1: don't run away. That the adrenaline flow, the rush and
Speaker 1: all that. This use of deadly force is judged by
Speaker 1: a reasonableness standard. Is a person in that position reasonably
Speaker 1: justified in using deadly force given what they're facing? And
Speaker 1: you know, I guess this is one of the dangers
Speaker 1: of being in law enforcement. Not only are you faced
Speaker 1: with this in a higher percentage of circumstances. I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys got to have to worry about this all
Speaker 1: day long. But when public outcry and the whole era
Speaker 1: of defund the police and the police are a bunch
Speaker 1: of races. Kind of a mindset that somebody have out there,
Speaker 1: you kind of have that going through your head too.
Speaker 1: I imagine you like a hesitance that may result in
Speaker 1: you losing your own life.
Speaker 3: Sure, you know you hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 3: It's it's what a reasonable officer would do at that time.
Speaker 3: It's not there's nothing that says that, you know, this
Speaker 3: person has to have shot at you, has to have done,
Speaker 3: you know, pointed a gun at you, all these things,
Speaker 3: even though in this case it was clear that's what happened.
Speaker 3: People get caught up in that. Well he was shot
Speaker 3: in the back. Well he wasn't shot in the back.
Speaker 3: But there's nothing that says that a policeman can't shoot
Speaker 3: somebody in the back. You know, the law is very
Speaker 3: very clear. It's what a reasonable person would do in
Speaker 3: that situation. I think any reasonable person if they have
Speaker 3: somebody that's running towards them with a gun and points
Speaker 3: it at them as they're running by, that is an
Speaker 3: absolutely reasonable response is to protect excuse me, to protect.
Speaker 4: Yourself, particularly a couple.
Speaker 1: Since there were police officers there too for the purposes
Speaker 1: of arresting them because they were in a stolen vehicle.
Speaker 1: I mean they you know, you can project onto what
Speaker 1: they might be thinking, the criminals.
Speaker 4: The the the the people who stole the car.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the police are there I'm going to
Speaker 1: get into trouble, and the reaction may be I'm gonna
Speaker 1: shoot at him, I'm gonna defend myself, I'm gonna try
Speaker 1: to get away. I mean, that's all factored into the
Speaker 1: whole mix of emotions that you must use a split
Speaker 1: second in order to make a determination. It's it's overwhelming,
Speaker 1: and I wish more people would contemplate that, well, you're.
Speaker 3: The reality is that the people that are saying that
Speaker 3: this isn't justified are the same people that take absolutely
Speaker 3: no accountability for anything, no accountability for their actions for
Speaker 3: anybody else's because they're all saying, well, yeah he was
Speaker 3: in a stolen car, and yeah he had a gun,
Speaker 3: but and.
Speaker 2: There is no butt.
Speaker 3: When you run around with the police with a gun,
Speaker 3: you should expect that you're going to be shot.
Speaker 2: It's really that simple.
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Speaker 1: Seven thirty nine fifty five KRCIT talk station Brian Thomas
Speaker 1: with fo KEY President Ken Kober talking about the officer
Speaker 1: involved shooting Ryan Hinton no longer with us, of course,
Speaker 1: his father ended up going and going after a sheriff's
Speaker 1: deputy ran him over and killed him. Completely different scenario though,
Speaker 1: but Helin County Prosecutor Countie Pillage said, no, he is
Speaker 1: cleared of any wrongdoing. He was appropriate in his use
Speaker 1: of deadly force, so there will be no nothing going
Speaker 1: to the grand jury. The Hinton family obviously not real
Speaker 1: thrilled about this. They lawyered up and they're threatening a
Speaker 1: civil lawsuit. Check me if I'm wrong, though, can Kober?
Speaker 1: Under the current state of the law, officers are immune
Speaker 1: from liability in connection with damages or injury incurred while
Speaker 1: they were doing their job. Coupled with the prosecutor's recommendation
Speaker 1: that no crime had been committed, here sounds to me
Speaker 1: like they're in a pretty damn shaky ground. Your reaction
Speaker 1: to the idea of a civil lawsuit, who would they
Speaker 1: go after?
Speaker 2: Well, that's the million dollar question is who are you
Speaker 2: going to go after?
Speaker 3: You know, the officer was deemed by the prosecutor to
Speaker 3: have acted reasonably. He didn't violate any policies or procedures,
Speaker 3: so underqualified immunity. When an officer acts reasonably and they
Speaker 3: follow the law, they're immune from any liability.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Maybe they're going to sue the city and hope that
Speaker 3: the city settles them. Settles like they do with just
Speaker 3: about everything else.
Speaker 1: Well, that will be a shame, be almost an admission
Speaker 1: of liability by the city that they shouldn't. They should
Speaker 1: fight that. That's what our taxpayer dollars are there for
Speaker 1: it was reported in I guess Fox nineteen's Mary Labas
Speaker 1: reported and it doesn't matter where the information came home.
Speaker 1: But apparently in addition to announcing this possible loss, that
Speaker 1: the lawyer said that he has access to information that,
Speaker 1: in his words, has not been made public regarding the
Speaker 1: officers who are at the scene of the shooting that day.
Speaker 1: Didn't go into any detail about what that information is.
Speaker 1: I don't suppose you have any concept or idea what
Speaker 1: they're talking about. But if there were other officers there
Speaker 1: who were not involved in the shooting, what difference does
Speaker 1: it make what they have regarding those officers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's funny because if he had this information
Speaker 3: that's secret, why would they have not turned it over
Speaker 3: to the prosecutor's office for them to examine.
Speaker 4: Ooh good point.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't buy any of that smoking mirrors that that
Speaker 3: they're trying to put out to the public.
Speaker 1: Now sens the Jenna public unrep over the whole thing,
Speaker 1: which I suppose may very well happen in these shaky
Speaker 1: times in which we live. So update on police morale,
Speaker 1: it looked like the city council was planning on doing
Speaker 1: what I believe you were calling for, is getting some
Speaker 1: lateral hires in to deal with the waxing numbers of
Speaker 1: or waning numbers of police officers on the CINCINNT Police Force.
Speaker 1: Last time we talked, I mean, it's kind of frightening
Speaker 1: how few officers are actually out on patrol given the
Speaker 1: current contingent.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, just lateral class that the city's apparently
Speaker 3: going to pass in their budget is certainly a step
Speaker 3: in the right direction, you know, but this is something
Speaker 3: that's likely going to have to be done every year,
Speaker 3: coupled with our traditional academy to be able to get
Speaker 3: our numbers back to.
Speaker 2: Where they need to be.
Speaker 1: I saw that they were doing three academies over the
Speaker 1: next several years at fifty per academy. But given the
Speaker 1: attrition rate that you brought up here in the morning show,
Speaker 1: that's going to kind of probably keep you at static
Speaker 1: levels unless they do get a sufficient number of lateral
Speaker 1: classes exactly.
Speaker 3: And you know, in these lateral classes are officers that
Speaker 3: are already trained. They're experienced officers that you can do
Speaker 3: an abbreviate academy and then be able to come in
Speaker 3: and be able to make a meaningful impact, you know,
Speaker 3: the first day they get out there, because they're they're
Speaker 3: not new, they are experienced officers, and it's something that
Speaker 3: that's what we're gonna have to do if they're going
Speaker 3: to if they're really serious about getting us back to
Speaker 3: what our compliment is the only way to do that
Speaker 3: is to have multiple classes in the same year. Otherwise
Speaker 3: we're not going to get back to our numbers.
Speaker 2: We're just going to keep falling. Well.
Speaker 1: And I mentioned the this this anti police sentiment that
Speaker 1: was all the rage there a few years ago. You
Speaker 1: got the impression that everybody in every neighborhood hated the
Speaker 1: police department. What do you hear from your officers who
Speaker 1: are out on patrol. Do they feel as though they
Speaker 1: have community support for their presence?
Speaker 3: I think, by and large, you have the community that
Speaker 3: wants the police there.
Speaker 2: You really do.
Speaker 3: You got you got the vocal minority that it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter what the police are going to do.
Speaker 2: They're going to hate them. They're going to say they
Speaker 2: did the wrong thing.
Speaker 3: But when you go to these communities and you see,
Speaker 3: you know, the average working class person that's in these communities,
Speaker 3: they want the police there. They know the police are
Speaker 3: there to make them safer so they can live in
Speaker 3: their community.
Speaker 2: But like I said, it's a vocal.
Speaker 3: Minority that want to stand up and criticize the police.
Speaker 3: We're always going to have that, but when you get
Speaker 3: into these actual communities that the support is there, well.
Speaker 1: You know, and I and much in the same way
Speaker 1: I criticize Cincinnti Council in the mayor for not more
Speaker 1: actively supporting the Cincinnti Police Department in law enforcement generally speaking.
Speaker 1: And it's not that they're against them, of course, they're
Speaker 1: voting for dollars for new classes, they're voting for lateral hires.
Speaker 1: That suggests some support, but not a whole lot of
Speaker 1: people paying attention to line items and budgets. But there's
Speaker 1: sort of silence on the whole out loud regular support
Speaker 1: of the police department really kind of irks me. And
Speaker 1: I think, you know, sincinnt Police, given where morale is,
Speaker 1: at least from where I'm led, it's led to believe
Speaker 1: it is, they could certainly use that type of active engagement.
Speaker 1: I would like to think that you know, these communities
Speaker 1: out there would rebel against the anti police sentiment, and
Speaker 1: would more out loud express support for the police now
Speaker 1: that you're hearing it and feeling that when patrolling these
Speaker 1: communities is a wonderful thing. And I'm glad to know
Speaker 1: that those who are are who reject the police or
Speaker 1: think they're bad are the minority out there. But you know,
Speaker 1: out loud support is a completely different element, and I
Speaker 1: think that would go a long way to helping this
Speaker 1: insane police accomplish its job and patrolling and keeping our
Speaker 1: streets safe.
Speaker 3: Now you hit anail on the head, you know, you
Speaker 3: can you can walk, you know, out out in the
Speaker 3: community and have somebody shake your hand and say listen,
Speaker 3: not everybody feels a way that you're hearing on social
Speaker 3: media whatever.
Speaker 2: Out you know, they shake your hand and say, we
Speaker 2: support the police. But you're right.
Speaker 3: The other part of that is having city leaders standing
Speaker 3: up earth and outwardly saying, look, we support the police,
Speaker 3: we support what they're doing, you know, and that's that
Speaker 3: That means probably just as much, if not more than
Speaker 3: it does from hearing it from some many the community.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, how about a tweet or some social media
Speaker 1: posts from council members of the mayor talking about exactly
Speaker 1: that they've be elevated to a level of attention. Plus
Speaker 1: it will be widely reported because again the silence it
Speaker 1: seems to be deafening. FOP President Ken Cober, God bless
Speaker 1: you and the work that you and the since a
Speaker 1: police department.
Speaker 5: Do.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming on the morning show and sharing
Speaker 1: your thoughts and comments on these events as they unfold.
Speaker 1: And uh, we'll keep our you and every police officer
Speaker 1: and our thoughts and prayers.
Speaker 2: All right, Brian, thanks for having me.
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