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<v Speaker 1>It's Nightside with Dan Ray. I'm WBZY Boston's Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much to cole lots going on tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>But first things first, I want to give a big

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to two regular night Side listeners and in

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<v Speaker 2>Jane in Hyde Park. They live up in the Fairmount

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<v Speaker 2>section of Hyde Park. And bumped into one of these

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<v Speaker 2>lovely ladies today and it's a mother and daughter who

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<v Speaker 2>listened to Nightside every night. And I just can't tell

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<v Speaker 2>you how much I appreciate all of our listeners, but

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<v Speaker 2>particularly those who I bump into and say nice things

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<v Speaker 2>and how much they enjoyed the show. And Anne and Jane,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope will put a good show on for you tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and thank you so much for your loyalty to Night's Side.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't have to tell the world how I

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<v Speaker 2>bumped into one of you today, but it was a

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<v Speaker 2>very pleasant experience. Very pleasant dental experience. Let's put it

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<v Speaker 2>like that. I think people will know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm delighted, how I'm terrified at the dentist goes way back, folks,

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<v Speaker 2>this is like childhood memories. I'm sure some of you

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<v Speaker 2>can identify. But I have finally found a great dentist

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<v Speaker 2>and a great team with that office, and I in Jane,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for being part of the night

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<v Speaker 2>side team. So having said that, I'm going to tell

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<v Speaker 2>you what we're going to do tonight the show that

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<v Speaker 2>you're going to hear. We're going to talk with the

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<v Speaker 2>executive director of the MBTA Advisory Board tonight at nine

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<v Speaker 2>o'clock about what's going on with the MBTA, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of good news with the team. Normally

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<v Speaker 2>we and to be pretty critical of the TEA, but

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<v Speaker 2>let's see what we come up with tonight. And then

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<v Speaker 2>later on tonight, beginning at ten o'clock, we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the weird nomination of Matt Gates. President Trump now has

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<v Speaker 2>given a second nominee an opportunity to be considered the

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<v Speaker 2>former attorney general of the state of Flow. My nominee

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<v Speaker 2>would have been, as I said the other day, former

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<v Speaker 2>Assistant Attorney General in the Bush administration. Bush forty three,

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<v Speaker 2>John U Professor John Yue of UC Berkeley. Great guy.

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<v Speaker 2>I know him very well. Tough as nail, smart as

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<v Speaker 2>a whip, and I was communicating with him this afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I Pam BONDI might be wonderful. I get it,

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<v Speaker 2>but John, you would have been spectacular in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll get to all of that a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>later on. Let me welcome Rob Brooks, who does, as

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<v Speaker 2>always a fine job back in the control room for us.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll set you up with phone calls after nine o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>and in the meantime we're going to go to the

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<v Speaker 2>night Side News Update, which is the recent, well about

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<v Speaker 2>a year and a half now tradition of Nightside And

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<v Speaker 2>we will start off tonight. And I got all of

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<v Speaker 2>my notes here and we'll have everything in front of

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<v Speaker 2>me and we'll be and we will be all set.

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<v Speaker 2>Going to start off with a gentleman who is attempting

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<v Speaker 2>and I certainly think he will be successful walking across

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<v Speaker 2>the Commonwealth of Massachusetts's name is Dave Pilar. Dave. I

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<v Speaker 2>always want to make sure I pronounce people's names correctly.

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<v Speaker 2>Have I come close to you? I hope? Fullar Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>well we've changed it a little bit. Full Are, first

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<v Speaker 2>of all, congratulations on this this effort. It's for a

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<v Speaker 2>great cause. Uh And when is it going to happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I don't think the weather's going to get any

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<v Speaker 2>better between now and may here in Uiga. What are

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<v Speaker 2>we talking about?

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<v Speaker 3>So we're gonna attempt, starting next Friday, November twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 3>to run across the state of Massachusetts. It's about one

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<v Speaker 3>hundred and fifty four miles over the span of four days,

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<v Speaker 3>hopefully finishing on December second, Monday, December second.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're doing this very ambitious. That's pretty ambitious. So

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<v Speaker 2>forgive me for having said as a walk, I was

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<v Speaker 2>thinking of the State Auditors walk. This is a run.

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<v Speaker 2>So you're going to try to click off about forty

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<v Speaker 2>miles a day.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what what is? You got a great cause here

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<v Speaker 2>though again you've desig understand it been dealing with some

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<v Speaker 2>medical conditions, not anything that's going to be totally debilitating,

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<v Speaker 2>but kind of what I would consider to be a

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<v Speaker 2>serious disease. You're thirty three year old guy uh and

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<v Speaker 2>you you're a footwear designer, designed to stand that, and

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<v Speaker 2>you tie it all together because you've done design work

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<v Speaker 2>for the Museum of Fine Arts, David Ortiz's Children Fund,

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<v Speaker 2>and Sean Thornton's Foundation. Former a Bruin player, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you how does this all come together? Give us, give

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<v Speaker 2>us the big picture.

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<v Speaker 3>I have first and foremost. I appreciate your time, and

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<v Speaker 3>I appreciate you allowing me some space to share the

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<v Speaker 3>story on your show, So thank you very much. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it really just it comes from from twofold, right. The

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<v Speaker 3>first is I think as we grow and get older,

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<v Speaker 3>we develop a perspective of how you know, our adolescent

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<v Speaker 3>for many, many years to come. And so our goal

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<v Speaker 3>is to raise fifteen thousand dollars for UMass Memorial Children's

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<v Speaker 3>Medical Center here in western Massachusetts. It's where I reside,

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<v Speaker 3>and so they're a local hospital. They treat a number

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<v Speaker 3>of children from toddlers all the way to youth teens,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I figured this is a great opportunity to

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<v Speaker 3>give back. You know, no child wants to spend the

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<v Speaker 3>holidays in a hospital, and so if we can raise

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<v Speaker 3>some funds to buy children's toys and bring smiles to

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<v Speaker 3>kids' faces, I think that's a really beautiful thing. And

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<v Speaker 3>then you mentioned, yeah, you know, growing up, I was

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<v Speaker 3>diagnosed with Crone's disease. I was in and out of

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<v Speaker 3>hospitals and different medical centers growing up. And while today

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<v Speaker 3>it's under control because I've learned a lot about my

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<v Speaker 3>diet and a lot about fitness and all these other

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<v Speaker 3>great things.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>It did form a perspective for me and how important

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<v Speaker 3>our health is. And so this run is something to

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<v Speaker 3>my knowledge and limited research because it's not really well documented.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll probably be the third or fourth person to attempt

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<v Speaker 3>this feat all the way from the New York border

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<v Speaker 3>to Boston, and so I'm just excited to document it,

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<v Speaker 3>to do it, and then also raise funds for an

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<v Speaker 3>amazing cause.

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<v Speaker 2>So can folks. You must have, I'm sure you have

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<v Speaker 2>a website. I'd love you to share that website with

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<v Speaker 2>the audience so that maybe they can follow you beginning

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<v Speaker 2>on Friday, the day after Thanksgiving through that weekend, clicking

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<v Speaker 2>off forty or so miles every day. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't think of doing forty miles in one day, never

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<v Speaker 2>mind doing and I'm in pretty good shape. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you got the hills of Worcester in front of you. Boy,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you it's gonna be. So how can folks

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<v Speaker 2>fall you this and how can they help you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>They for sure, thank you for that. You know, you

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<v Speaker 3>can either google my name David falar Fi l A

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<v Speaker 3>R and more than more times than none, it'll come up.

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<v Speaker 3>But the website is just giving dot com backslash page

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<v Speaker 3>page backslash David dash Falar uh, and it'll bring you

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<v Speaker 3>to the fundraise page. We as I mentioned for our

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<v Speaker 3>goal is fifteen thousand dollars. We're at thirty two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>dollars right now, and we're still eight days away, so

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<v Speaker 3>I have really high hopes that we'll be able to

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<v Speaker 3>do it. You know, five dollars, ten dollars, fifteen, whatever

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<v Speaker 3>people can give to bring, you know, a smile to

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<v Speaker 3>the children's faces of this holiday season. That's really that's

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<v Speaker 3>really the goal. But yeah, you know social media, if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to follow along, I post daily videos on

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<v Speaker 3>TikTok it's just under my name, or on you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Instagram or you know, the hospital has been really tremendous

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<v Speaker 3>at supporting with their their media team, and so you

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<v Speaker 3>can either follow you mathematical or you a mass memorial

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<v Speaker 3>and or myself at David Fallar.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm looking at the Instagram account right now and people,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd advise people who are on Instagram to give it

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<v Speaker 2>a look, and if not, you can go to the website.

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<v Speaker 2>David Filar, thank you very much for what you do,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining us tonight, and best of luck. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to say may the force be with you,

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<v Speaker 2>but may the weather be with you. I hope.

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<v Speaker 3>I really appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely, I appreciate. I appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>your time to thank you for the space.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you are more than welcome. Thank you for what

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<v Speaker 2>you do. We get back when we talk about another

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<v Speaker 2>great cause with a former congressman from Pennsylvania. I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>about veteran suicide. Patrick Murphy's a former congressman, under Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>of the US Army. He's very much involved with face

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<v Speaker 2>the fight against veteran suicide. We'll be talking with Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>Murphy right after this break. This is WBZ in Boston.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll be back right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>Nightside Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>Delighted to be joined by former United States Congressman Patrick Murphy.

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<v Speaker 2>He was a member of Congress from Pennsylvania for four

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<v Speaker 2>years from two thousand and seven to twenty eleven. And

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<v Speaker 2>it's a Democrat, a veteran, and I think we need

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<v Speaker 2>more veterans, whether they're Democrats or Republicans in Congress. Patrick Murphy,

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Nightside. How are you Dan?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm doing great, buddy. I'm going to be in Boston

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<v Speaker 5>tomorrow at the Convention Center for the one hundred and

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<v Speaker 5>fourth Annual Social Studies Conference. But I love Boston and

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<v Speaker 5>spend a lot of time at the JFK Library, etc.

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<v Speaker 5>And just it's good to be on your show. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well my pleasure, that is for sure. We're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about the fight against veterans suicide. I've heard the

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<v Speaker 2>number that sticks in my mind as we lose anywhere

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<v Speaker 2>between twenty or twenty two veterans to suicide every day.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 5>It's true. Unfortunately, and since nine eleven, since our nature

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<v Speaker 5>was attack, then we've lost over one hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 5>five thousand. For my brother and sister veterans, and it

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<v Speaker 5>is preventable. Dan, we got to do better, and that's

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<v Speaker 5>why I'm sharing the space to Fight initiative. It's a

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<v Speaker 5>private center of that initiative, but you know, we got

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<v Speaker 5>to break the stigma that mental health is just as

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<v Speaker 5>important as your piscal health.

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<v Speaker 2>No question about it. And one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about up here, not to get into the

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<v Speaker 2>politics of this, I promise you, is that we've had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of conversation about how migrants are finding shelter

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<v Speaker 2>in Massachusetts, and every time we talk about the subject,

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<v Speaker 2>it's invariably people come up and talk to me about

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<v Speaker 2>the veterans in Massachusetts who have served the country in

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<v Speaker 2>many cases, you know, suffered either physical or psychological wounds,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of those who are wounded psychologically, uh, don't

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<v Speaker 2>even want to stay in shelters uh and find themselves

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<v Speaker 2>in the street. And we're just not doing enough, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>not only to prevent veterans suicide, we're not doing enough

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<v Speaker 2>to care for the veterans who we have sent off

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<v Speaker 2>to a combat situation or or or we have you know,

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<v Speaker 2>What what can Why is it that a country that

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, the part of it is, you know, we we

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<v Speaker 5>you have to find a tribe. You have to put

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<v Speaker 5>the beall Catholic, you know, we have to have a

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's a couple of groups that I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>A guy out of Pennsylvania like yourself, former NBA player

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<v Speaker 2>the Veterans Defense Project out of Minneapolis. I have a

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<v Speaker 2>know if you're familiar with either of those projects, but

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<v Speaker 5>And then you're you're you're, you're absolutely right, and that

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<v Speaker 5>there are too many of our brothers to veterans that

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<v Speaker 5>are drowning in a sea of goodwill. There's forty six

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<v Speaker 5>thousand veteran service organizations out there, right, and so that's

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<v Speaker 5>why we're trying to do and show people the best

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<v Speaker 5>And that's why they can visits their website we face

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<v Speaker 5>to Fight dot org and it's really this private center

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<v Speaker 5>led effort by Reach Resilience by us AA, by you

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<v Speaker 5>make a difference. Go on the website. It's free for everybody.

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<v Speaker 5>Go there, figure out, Hey, if there's someone in need,

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<v Speaker 5>It tells you the best practices, It tells you how

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<v Speaker 5>to get help. You know, of course there's you go

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<v Speaker 5>that people know that don't get help us, don't feel

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<v Speaker 5>there's nothing you can do. Everybody can get involved. When

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<v Speaker 5>we ask less than one percent of our nation to serve,

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<v Speaker 5>it takes all of us to ninety nine percent to

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<v Speaker 5>shoulder or shoulder and live by that ethos Dan that

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<v Speaker 5>we leave no one behind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh, absolutely, from the battlefield or from the battlefield

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<v Speaker 2>of life. So the website is we facedfight dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>And the number that you mentioned yet is a hotline

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<v Speaker 2>for veterans who find themselves in trouble. Two quick final questions.

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<v Speaker 2>and the Republicans, have failed out of Washington, DC. I

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<v Speaker 2>you're a former you know, congressman, and that's not to

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<v Speaker 2>a very good friend of mine, a colleague of yours,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, both in wartime and and and in the

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<v Speaker 2>political world. Although I don't think your terms overlapped, if

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<v Speaker 5>No, but I helped them in the primary. I'm a

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<v Speaker 5>the other day. I served with Joe Kennedy. It was

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<v Speaker 5>being put by I do think part of the problem is, then,

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<v Speaker 5>people like jfk and George Bush said they came back home,

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<v Speaker 5>they ran for office. Four every five members of Congress

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<v Speaker 5>were veterans. Now, then it is best than one out

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<v Speaker 5>every five. So that's why I, you know I and

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<v Speaker 5>again some of my best friends who I served the

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<v Speaker 5>we all need to step up, especially during this crisis

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<v Speaker 5>of suicide. Death by suicide is preventable. Please visit the website.

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<v Speaker 5>It's called it's you know, Face to Fight Initiative, but

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<v Speaker 5>it's we facedfight dot org. They get joined the part.

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<v Speaker 5>If your company or you personally want to join us,

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<v Speaker 5>it's sign up again. It's free. But we need to

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<v Speaker 5>make sure that we break that stigma, that people know

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<v Speaker 5>that there's help out there. We support the best and

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<v Speaker 5>veteran service organizations are out there that are saving lives

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<v Speaker 5>every day. But we all got to be part of solution.

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<v Speaker 5>We just can't just pitch about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, least comment Pat and I again, I

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<v Speaker 2>commend everything that you're trying to do. But my dad

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<v Speaker 2>and probably your dad or uncle came back as member

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<v Speaker 2>the Greatest generation after having served, and when you think

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<v Speaker 2>about it, we have Harry Truman was a veteran of

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<v Speaker 2>World War One, Dwight Eisenhower obviously the commander of the

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<v Speaker 2>you had Lyndon Johnson who was a veteran, Richard Nixon,

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<v Speaker 2>Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan. They all served at

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<v Speaker 2>different levels, so we had a span of about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a good thirty years of the Greatest Generation,

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<v Speaker 2>and since then we haven't had as many veterans, certainly

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<v Speaker 2>not the percentage of the Greatest Generation. And that's why

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<v Speaker 2>I hope more veterans, both Republicans and Democrats, Democrats like

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<v Speaker 2>yourself and Republicans like Eli Crane out of Arizona who

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<v Speaker 2>have had on the show get involved politically so that

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<v Speaker 5>In the positive, Big Dan, is that on this national ticket,

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<v Speaker 5>just a couple of weeks ago, we did have two

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<v Speaker 5>And so that's a positive part. But I hear you, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>Uh. And what are you doing up in Boston? Is

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<v Speaker 5>Happened to speaking? It's all the social study teachers in America,

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<v Speaker 5>the leaders of different departments across the country. They're coming

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<v Speaker 5>to Boston. Happens to being Boston this year. It's the

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm up on stage with Martey me and do

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<v Speaker 5>He's a great American and we'll be there. It's free

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<v Speaker 5>for folks they want to swing by. But you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we're talking about you know, civics education, about why it's

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<v Speaker 2>So many people that pat they kn't named their governor,

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Darerty, mister Daugherty. I got excited about this simply

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<v Speaker 2>And when you see me and tomorrow for me tell him.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, hello. He's a deer and a great and

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<v Speaker 2>an old friend of mine as well. Pat so Patrick Murphy,

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<v Speaker 2>former a Democratic Congressman from Pennsylvania, continuing to fight military

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<v Speaker 2>dot Org. Pat Murphy, thank you very much. Pleasure to

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<v Speaker 2>have had you on the show. And anytime you want

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<v Speaker 2>to be on. We could do an hour on this.

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get that much right back at you. Welcome to Boston,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. We gonna break for the news at the

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know quite a bit about weight loss, but

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<v Speaker 2>beef fat with me is doctor Danielle Dubin. She's a

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<v Speaker 6>Thanks for having me, Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>So beef fat, I what do I do? I take

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<v Speaker 6>So beef tallow or beef fat is basically fat that

419
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<v Speaker 6>they took from whichever animal. In this case we're talking

420
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<v Speaker 6>about a cow. They melt it down, they strain it

421
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<v Speaker 6>to get out any impurities, and then they bring it

422
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<v Speaker 6>back to room temperature and you end up with this

423
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<v Speaker 6>sort of creamy substance. That's what people are talking about nowadays,

424
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<v Speaker 6>mostly because I think there's a trend for natural and organic,

425
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<v Speaker 6>which is why this has recently been trending all over TikTok.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I guess my question would be, just because it's

427
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<v Speaker 2>so organic, how did those organic carrots work out a

428
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<v Speaker 2>week or so ago with the outbreak of E. Coli?

429
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<v Speaker 2>So is this legitimate? I'm wondering if you're here to

430
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<v Speaker 2>dispel it or to say, hey, there may be some

431
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<v Speaker 2>benefits here.

432
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<v Speaker 6>So what I'll say about beef tallow is that it's possible.

433
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<v Speaker 6>Theoretically it has some benefits because it does have similar

434
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<v Speaker 6>properties to our own skin. It's very high in triglyceride,

435
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<v Speaker 6>vitamin AD, E K, and B twelve. But the caveat

436
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<v Speaker 6>being it hasn't really been studied at all in human models.

437
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<v Speaker 6>Anything that's out there in terms of efficacy is based

438
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<v Speaker 6>off of stories or based off of mice models. So

439
00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.799
<v Speaker 6>maybe we're onto something, but it hasn't been scientifically proven

440
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<v Speaker 6>at all. Versus, there's so many other great products out

441
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<v Speaker 6>there that have been extensively researched, natural products such as

442
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<v Speaker 6>virt Extra Virtic, coconut oil, sunflower seed oil, tumoric that

443
00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:48.039
<v Speaker 6>have been studied and those do work. The beef tallow

444
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<v Speaker 6>might be the next thing. Who knows, it just needs

445
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<v Speaker 6>to be investigated.

446
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<v Speaker 2>More so, how does something like this get off the

447
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<v Speaker 2>ground without, you know, some formal government testing and government approval?

448
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<v Speaker 2>Is there? You know some gen xer or gen z

449
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<v Speaker 2>you know movie star who who is pushing some some

450
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<v Speaker 2>product on a late night TV show? What's the story

451
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<v Speaker 2>to hear? You must know what's going on. I have

452
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<v Speaker 2>no clue about this one, because when I read this today,

453
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<v Speaker 2>I thought to myself, Wow, I think.

454
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<v Speaker 6>That it hasn't really originated from any one source as

455
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<v Speaker 6>much as people in general wanting to have something more

456
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<v Speaker 6>natural and being able to say this is some you know,

457
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<v Speaker 6>animal drive block products. But to that point about it

458
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<v Speaker 6>being natural and organic, I will say, the only study

459
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<v Speaker 6>that they have done is shown that beef powow is

460
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<v Speaker 6>bad for the marine life, So don't put on the

461
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<v Speaker 6>beef towel and then go out into the ocean because

462
00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:48.960
<v Speaker 6>you're going to hurt their beefs. But I'm not sure

463
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<v Speaker 6>where it came from. I think sometimes things trend on TikTok.

464
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<v Speaker 6>I mean, there were people who were eating tide pots

465
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<v Speaker 6>two years ago for no good reason. So I'm not

466
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<v Speaker 6>really sure where the beef towel came from, but it's here,

467
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<v Speaker 6>and I think it's worth to be investigated further.

468
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, there's this. There's this, this article from a

469
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<v Speaker 2>couple of days ago. I think it's the Washington Post

470
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<v Speaker 2>has the latest skincare trend, be fat, Yes, be fat,

471
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<v Speaker 2>and it's exactly what you say. Beef tallow or rendered.

472
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<v Speaker 2>Be fat is lauded on TikTok as a natural skincare

473
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<v Speaker 2>treatment dermatologists say may help soften dry skin, but it's

474
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<v Speaker 2>no better than conventional moisturizers. And I just know there's

475
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<v Speaker 2>something about that that that kind of freaks me out. Apparently,

476
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<v Speaker 2>some found some fellow named Hunter Block Uh founded a

477
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<v Speaker 2>mallow with his wife, Lauren Uh, and they're they're big

478
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<v Speaker 2>part of the story. I had never heard of them.

479
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<v Speaker 2>When did when did this first sort of catch your

480
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<v Speaker 2>You follow this closer than I do? When, Uh, when

481
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<v Speaker 2>do you? When? When did you first catch this story?

482
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<v Speaker 6>So there's been rumblings around the internet for several months,

483
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<v Speaker 6>but I think I probably started hearing about about it

484
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<v Speaker 6>back in twenty twenty three, but it definitely gained moment,

485
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<v Speaker 6>especially where you have these companies that are marketing in

486
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<v Speaker 6>such a way that it has the essential oils and

487
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<v Speaker 6>added to it, so it's not just like putting on

488
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<v Speaker 6>some befat. It's like it's more cosmetically elegant, it smells better.

489
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<v Speaker 6>So it's been picking up steam in that regard, but

490
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<v Speaker 6>I'm not sure exactly how circulating, because beef tallow actually

491
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<v Speaker 6>does a back century for being used for skincare purposes.

492
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<v Speaker 6>So there's nothing new under the sun.

493
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<v Speaker 2>As they say that, that's pretty surprising. So you mean,

494
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<v Speaker 2>when you say centuries, you're talking about five to a

495
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<v Speaker 2>thousand years ago people were somehow thought they know how

496
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<v Speaker 2>they figured it out, or fifteen hundred or something. To me,

497
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<v Speaker 2>it's fascinating that with all of the testing sites that

498
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<v Speaker 2>we have and so much that we have done, there's

499
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<v Speaker 2>always something new that comes along or pretends it's to

500
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<v Speaker 2>be new, but it's maybe, as you said, a derivative

501
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:08.759
<v Speaker 2>of something that was used by our ancestors centuries agoogists.

502
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<v Speaker 2>You're a dermatologist, would you try this at this point

503
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<v Speaker 2>or no?

504
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<v Speaker 6>So I never say never. I would always try something.

505
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<v Speaker 6>But if I'm ever going to try something new, what

506
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<v Speaker 6>I advise myself as all as my patients is that

507
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<v Speaker 6>do a test spot of it and apply it to

508
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<v Speaker 6>that test spot for seven to ten days and make

509
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<v Speaker 6>sure you don't develop any reaction. If you don't develop

510
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<v Speaker 6>a reaction, you find that it's helpful in the area

511
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<v Speaker 6>that you're using it by all means. But I will

512
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<v Speaker 6>say I think there's much more effective treatments out there

513
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.640
<v Speaker 6>for dry skins. And when it comes to acne, I

514
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<v Speaker 6>would be very careful because there is some TikTok going

515
00:27:43.559 --> 00:27:45.480
<v Speaker 6>around that that is helpful for acne. But I would

516
00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:48.960
<v Speaker 6>argue the opposite. You're basically putting unrefined sat on the

517
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:51.400
<v Speaker 6>face that it's going to block up the board even more.

518
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:55.279
<v Speaker 6>But every person should do a test spot before before

519
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<v Speaker 6>incorporating into their regime.

520
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<v Speaker 2>So would you would you say test bot? I assume

521
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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about like some where on the inside of

522
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<v Speaker 2>your forearm or the inside of your wrist, somewhere that

523
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<v Speaker 2>that is easily accessible. And even if it does cause

524
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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of a rash, it's not going to

525
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<v Speaker 2>cause a rash on your face or in your forehead

526
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:13.880
<v Speaker 2>or something like that. You're not saying you take do

527
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<v Speaker 2>a test.

528
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<v Speaker 6>One's what you're using it for. So if you're going

529
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<v Speaker 6>to be using it for general moisturizer on the body,

530
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 6>sure do a te pot anywhere that's not visible. But

531
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<v Speaker 6>if you're going to be using on your face, which

532
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<v Speaker 6>again I'm not sure I would recommend, I would do

533
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.119
<v Speaker 6>a TEP spot on a discrete area of your neck

534
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:32.079
<v Speaker 6>because the skin texture there is going to be more

535
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<v Speaker 6>similar to that of your face.

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<v Speaker 2>Great well, very helpful information. Danielle Dubin. Doctor Danielle Dubin,

537
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<v Speaker 2>thank you very much, and thank you for taking some

538
00:28:41.039 --> 00:28:44.839
<v Speaker 2>time tonight, you know for us. Really do appreciate it.

539
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:47.599
<v Speaker 2>I learned a lot from this. I'm not going up

540
00:28:47.640 --> 00:28:51.039
<v Speaker 2>tomorrow and buying any beefat for myself, really honest with you,

541
00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:53.559
<v Speaker 2>but I probably wouldn't have bought it anyway. Thank you,

542
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<v Speaker 2>doctor Dubin. Thank you so much.

543
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<v Speaker 6>Thanks for having me.

544
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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome. We get back and talk a little bit

545
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<v Speaker 2>of hot The Bruins have a new coach and interim coach,

546
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Joe Sachel. We're going to talk with Kevin Paul DuPont.

547
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<v Speaker 2>There's nobody in Boston that knows the history of the

548
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Bruins better than I. In my opinion, that Kevin Paul

549
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<v Speaker 2>DuPont will be back right after this with more on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan Way live from the Window World

551
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<v Speaker 1>nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

552
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<v Speaker 2>Well, the Bruins have had an interesting start this hockey season.

553
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.480
<v Speaker 2>They're about one quarter of the way through the season,

554
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and nobody that I know of has more insight and

555
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:43.880
<v Speaker 2>perspective on the Original Six and and their newer playmates

556
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:46.680
<v Speaker 2>than the great Kevin Paul DuPont at the Boston Globe. Kevin,

557
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<v Speaker 2>how are you tonight?

558
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<v Speaker 4>H Well, Dan, how are you?

559
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<v Speaker 2>Great to be with you. It's great to have an

560
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<v Speaker 2>Original Six game going on at the Garden tonight between

561
00:29:54.960 --> 00:30:00.079
<v Speaker 2>the Boston Bruins and the Utah Hockey Club formerly the

562
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Phoenix Coyotes. Formally, where were they before Phoenix? I'm trying

563
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<v Speaker 2>to I want to.

564
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, they were they were Arizona, and then they previous

565
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<v Speaker 4>that there they were Phoenix, but before that they were Winnipeg.

566
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, sure, yeah they weren't. They weren't the California

567
00:30:17.319 --> 00:30:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Golden Seals. That's all. No, no, So it's it's tough

568
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<v Speaker 2>to watch Montgomery get axed the other day. He was

569
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:31.839
<v Speaker 2>not somebody who had been here a long time, but

570
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.039
<v Speaker 2>he certainly had some New England roots, and it looked

571
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<v Speaker 2>to me as if he lost the locker room.

572
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<v Speaker 4>What do you think, Yeah, it's it's always difficult to

573
00:30:40.720 --> 00:30:45.079
<v Speaker 4>tell that. I what what he definitely lost was was

574
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<v Speaker 4>the ability to come up with any answers to to to.

575
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<v Speaker 4>You know, I hesitate to say motivate these guys, But

576
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<v Speaker 4>I'm a little reluctant to say that he lost the

577
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<v Speaker 4>room because within the last two weeks they fell behind

578
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:03.200
<v Speaker 4>in another bad game in his hometown, which is Saint

579
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:06.319
<v Speaker 4>Louis Now. They fell behind two all after forty minutes,

580
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:08.799
<v Speaker 4>and then they rallied back for three goals in the

581
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.240
<v Speaker 4>third and they won it. So if you've packed it

582
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<v Speaker 4>in on the coach, or if you quit, it's hard,

583
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:17.039
<v Speaker 4>it's you know, it'd very hard to rally back with

584
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:21.599
<v Speaker 4>three goals. I just think I think it's a confluence

585
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 4>of reasons here, Dan, but among them is they don't

586
00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:28.000
<v Speaker 4>have that much talent in the lineup. That doesn't let

587
00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:31.240
<v Speaker 4>them off the hook for their bad performance here over

588
00:31:31.279 --> 00:31:34.920
<v Speaker 4>the first quarter. But it is true. It's not a

589
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.960
<v Speaker 4>great team. And if you know, if you followed along,

590
00:31:38.039 --> 00:31:41.240
<v Speaker 4>they've lost a whole lot of talent and culture in

591
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:46.119
<v Speaker 4>the last few years, with losing Rask, losing Chara, losing Bergeron,

592
00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:49.319
<v Speaker 4>losing Cretchy. The truth is you're not going to go

593
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:53.400
<v Speaker 4>out and just replace Bergeron and just replace Chara, who's

594
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:56.519
<v Speaker 4>really the greatest free agent hire in the history of

595
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:01.400
<v Speaker 4>the game. But they haven't replentied underneath with kids who've

596
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.759
<v Speaker 4>got some of that talent, and that's because of poor

597
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:06.640
<v Speaker 4>drafting and some bad traits.

598
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks like some of the signings from last

599
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:16.839
<v Speaker 2>last summer or have not quite worked out. Look, Jeremy

600
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Swayman had a holdout. How do you allow a situation

601
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.359
<v Speaker 2>like that to to develop. I mean, such a critical

602
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>player played so well even in losing last spring looked

603
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:36.000
<v Speaker 2>like the reincarnation of Jacques plant And yeah, I don't

604
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.200
<v Speaker 2>probably no one else in the audience knows who we're

605
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:41.279
<v Speaker 2>talking about. We talked about Jaques plant but that's that's

606
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:43.759
<v Speaker 2>neither Hood Gump Worseley. But that's neither here nor there.

607
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>What it isn't a question of timing. I kind of

608
00:32:48.720 --> 00:32:52.400
<v Speaker 2>think it's a question of conditioning. What's happened to Swayman.

609
00:32:52.519 --> 00:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>You know, a bad baseball players going to slumps. But

610
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<v Speaker 2>this is a pretty big stump for goaltender.

611
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<v Speaker 4>It is, And so much of the gold tend game.

612
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<v Speaker 4>You can talk about mechanics and technique, they're all pretty

613
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:08.440
<v Speaker 4>much the same now in terms of technique, I think

614
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<v Speaker 4>more than anything with Swaymen. And this sounds sort of

615
00:33:12.680 --> 00:33:15.519
<v Speaker 4>a thin or maybe excuse, which I don't mean it

616
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:17.880
<v Speaker 4>to be, but so much of the position for a

617
00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:21.400
<v Speaker 4>good goalie is confidence or any goalie, but you get

618
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:25.279
<v Speaker 4>a guy who's he's got legitimate tality. He's proven that.

619
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:28.519
<v Speaker 4>Whether he's a franchise goalie, we're not sure. Certainly they've

620
00:33:28.559 --> 00:33:32.359
<v Speaker 4>paid him that money to be a franchise goalie, and

621
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.960
<v Speaker 4>their reluctance to do that was they were saying they

622
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:39.160
<v Speaker 4>weren't convinced yet. So right now it's looking like maybe

623
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:41.640
<v Speaker 4>they were right. He's still got something to prove here.

624
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<v Speaker 4>I think what will happen with Jeremy Swayman is he'll

625
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<v Speaker 4>get reframed in this reset with the coach and he'll

626
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<v Speaker 4>start to gain some confidence. That's what you would hope anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>And I've got enough belief having watched him these last

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<v Speaker 4>two to three years, I think he'll come back and

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<v Speaker 4>start being more than at goaltender.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you had a chance to spend any time in

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<v Speaker 2>the road with these guys this year?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, and they'll be in Detroit.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, what are the other what are the

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<v Speaker 2>other you know, writers and broadcasters around the league asking you,

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<v Speaker 2>because there must be some questions that, Sannio, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? The common the common one has been how is

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<v Speaker 4>it Montgomery's fault? Given the two years he had? If

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<v Speaker 4>you go back two years, Danny at the best regular

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<v Speaker 4>season record in the history of the game sixty five

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<v Speaker 4>twelve and five hit a very good last year, a

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00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:42.000
<v Speaker 4>very good season last year, especially given the fact that

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<v Speaker 4>that was the first year without Craigie and bergermon So

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<v Speaker 4>the focus really has been on, you know, where are

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<v Speaker 4>they in terms of talent? And why why should this

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<v Speaker 4>be Montgomery's issue? And that's that's legitimate when you've got

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<v Speaker 4>a guy who's performed that well and you look at

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<v Speaker 4>what he did these past two years. Part of this

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<v Speaker 4>is this is systemic. Is that what we've touched on

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<v Speaker 4>here is some bad trades, bad free agent signings. Is

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<v Speaker 4>once you kind of solidify your team with that July

652
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<v Speaker 4>one free agency, which is a free agency period that

653
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<v Speaker 4>really lasts about six hours at most because the top

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<v Speaker 4>end talent it's free gets signed. Once you come out

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<v Speaker 4>of that, that's your team. You know, that's really your

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<v Speaker 4>team until the March trade deadline because most of these

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<v Speaker 4>guys who are top end players have guaranteed contracts. That's

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<v Speaker 4>the case with this team. No move guaranteed, no trade clauses.

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<v Speaker 4>So again your maneuverability. You can play around Dan with

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<v Speaker 4>the third and fourth lines and the sixth and seventh defenseman,

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<v Speaker 4>but big in season trades, they just don't happen. What

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<v Speaker 4>you see is some inter moves the trade deadline because

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<v Speaker 4>the six or eight or ten teams that are out

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<v Speaker 4>of it, they'll move some talent ahead of losing them

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<v Speaker 4>as free agents. And they did that here. You remember

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<v Speaker 4>a couple of years ago they went out and got

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<v Speaker 4>half away, they went out and got Orloft, they went

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<v Speaker 4>on and got Bertuzzi, and it looked like they were

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<v Speaker 4>loaded going into the playoffs, and of course they got

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<v Speaker 4>bounced in the first round by Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's frustrating. It's funny. I think of all

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<v Speaker 2>the four major sports, this is the one that is

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<v Speaker 2>most team dependent. Meaning if you get a great pitch

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<v Speaker 2>and that can carry in baseball, if you've got a

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<v Speaker 2>great quarterbacks as we found out here, that can go

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<v Speaker 2>a long way. And in basketball, if you got a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of real good players, you can you can surround

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<v Speaker 2>them with some bad players. But if you have a

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<v Speaker 2>weakness in hockey, third line, fourth line, you know, second

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<v Speaker 2>tier defense, it's gonna it's gonna bite you every time.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what makes me a little bit concerned that

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<v Speaker 2>this team's going to have a tough, a tough road.

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<v Speaker 2>They may win tonight against Utah, they're up one nothing

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<v Speaker 2>going in third period, but when the better teams come in,

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if they had the talent to match up.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, your point about all parts being important or bang on, Dan,

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<v Speaker 4>you know you do have to have the third line,

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<v Speaker 4>the third line, guys you've got to have the goaltender,

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<v Speaker 4>if you know. I think they did a lot here

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<v Speaker 4>with what I call the holy trinity of a good team,

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<v Speaker 4>which is franchise defenseman in Sharra, franchise goalie in Rask,

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<v Speaker 4>franchise center and berger on. Not a lot of teams

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<v Speaker 4>get those, get the holy trinity like that. So not

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<v Speaker 4>unlike owing to the B s O. Dan, You know, yes,

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<v Speaker 4>everyone focuses on the on the great violins, right and uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what what else would you what do you

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<v Speaker 4>focus on? But the truth of it is you still

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<v Speaker 4>have to have the fat guy in back who plays

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<v Speaker 4>the tuba, and that makes the concert too.

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<v Speaker 2>And what about the guy with the triangle that would

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<v Speaker 2>have been that would have been my instrument if I

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<v Speaker 2>was in the B s O. That's that's that's critical

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<v Speaker 2>to hey, Kevin.

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<v Speaker 4>Great Christmas pops where the guy in the back plays

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<v Speaker 4>those clapper.

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<v Speaker 2>Things critical critical, Kevin. Great to catch up with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I miss seeing you at the rink because I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>this nighttime talk show here and I well, we'll have

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<v Speaker 2>to catch up. You're one of the great guys in

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<v Speaker 2>this business. Hall of Fame, writer and observer of a

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<v Speaker 2>great game thanks, thanks my friend. We'll talk soon.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, very nice, Dan, thank you appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Very welcome. Thanks Kevin, talk soon we get back. We're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about something that is also a much

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<v Speaker 2>maligned to organization, that's the m bt A and will

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<v Speaker 2>we will get after it. I promise you. We're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be talking with the the executive director of the

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<v Speaker 2>MBTA Advisory Board, a very important person, Brian Kin, right

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<v Speaker 2>after the nine o'clock news here on night Side