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Speaker 1: Welcome to episode one ninety one of bleds have said. So,
Speaker 1: we have a very very honorable special guest with us
Speaker 1: here in the studio today. Real quick, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about an event coming up in May in Delavan, Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: from May second to May fourth. My father, my wife,
Speaker 1: and I will be at the Contact Modalities Expo. My
Speaker 1: dad will be the keynote speaker. It's gonna be an
Speaker 1: awesome event. There's gonna be like three conference rooms running
Speaker 1: simultaneously throughout the whole weekend with like all kinds of amazing.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be like Shaman's breath workers, yoga, Crystal bowl therapists.
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be insane, and we're gonna do a
Speaker 1: SkyWatch Friday night. We're gonna have a cocktail party on
Speaker 1: Saturday with a DJ. Everybody's gonna be hanging out in
Speaker 1: a big luncheon and it's really gonna just be like
Speaker 1: a party, but consciousness themed. So anyway, I hope to
Speaker 1: see you guys there. You can get your tickets at
Speaker 1: Contact Modalities xpo dot com. Now, the guest that we
Speaker 1: have in the studio today is incredible. I met her
Speaker 1: last year at the Monroe Institute. I hope this is
Speaker 1: okay that I introduce you as the CEO of the
Speaker 1: Monroe Institute. We have Alan Evans.
Speaker 3: Welcome, Alan, thank you glad to be here.
Speaker 1: Yes, very very like shocked that you were willing to
Speaker 1: do this.
Speaker 3: Pleasure.
Speaker 1: We are incredibly blessed.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yeah, especially after just having a really really cool
Speaker 4: experience just a couple of months ago with the Creation station.
Speaker 3: Yes, one of our programs.
Speaker 4: Really was profound. So it's been in our heads, it's
Speaker 4: fresh in our heads a lot, you know, So it's exciting,
Speaker 4: very excited.
Speaker 3: That's the neat thing about it is that we want
Speaker 3: you to have the experience. So that's what we're doing.
Speaker 3: We're setting up experience for you, and that's that's the
Speaker 3: game changer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it really is. It was profound. It was awesome,
Speaker 4: and we we've been so busy, we still have yet
Speaker 4: to like dive deep into what happened and our personal
Speaker 4: experiences and stuff. But I mean, it truly was so
Speaker 4: profound and life changing, and Ignasio is amazing, and it
Speaker 4: was it was a blessings.
Speaker 1: A brother for sure. He's an amazing human being. I
Speaker 1: think we finally figured out what like next week we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh good, Yeah, okay, we watched that episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, for sure. It was great.
Speaker 1: We did it back in December.
Speaker 4: December.
Speaker 1: It's just been that busy, it really is, you know,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm excited about that. It was amazing. It
Speaker 1: was transformative, and I think you know what that's like, Yes,
Speaker 1: you know, being the CEO of Monroe. So I'd love
Speaker 1: to get into that. I know you've told me this
Speaker 1: story twice. I know, we talked about it over dinner.
Speaker 1: Jenny said, I know you're going to talk about it,
Speaker 1: but you know you told the story. But I would
Speaker 1: love to hear again and as much as little detail
Speaker 1: as you like, Like what was your journey becoming the
Speaker 1: CEO of Monroe.
Speaker 3: So in my late twenties, I got on this mission
Speaker 3: that I wanted to be more psychic. And after I
Speaker 3: got to graduate school in Lubbock, Texas, I started having
Speaker 3: these experiences, these introductions to this psychic world, and it
Speaker 3: made me curious. First of all, so I started reading
Speaker 3: a lot of books pre internet, so it was books,
Speaker 3: library books. And then there was a bookstore called the
Speaker 3: Odyssey Bookstore.
Speaker 4: I love that name.
Speaker 3: Had weird books in it, really strange books that I
Speaker 3: have never ever been exposed to before, you know. So
Speaker 3: once I got to Lewick, Texas, it really my world
Speaker 3: has changed. And one of the first books I read
Speaker 3: was by Edgar Casey, right, the Sleeping.
Speaker 4: Prophet Awesome, we talk about.
Speaker 3: Him, And what got my attention was there was this
Speaker 3: man who could predict things and it was verifiable. So
Speaker 3: that was like, okay. So I just got on this
Speaker 3: quest and then I had some experiences with psychics, and
Speaker 3: I thought, I want to learn how to do this myself.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't I don't want the as I
Speaker 3: say the middle man. I don't I want to. I
Speaker 3: want to know myself because you know, also that person
Speaker 3: that psychic is an interpreter sometimes, so if I have
Speaker 3: my own experience, I'm interpreting it. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: how do I do this? And so I started reading books,
Speaker 3: still continued to read books, and I realized about the
Speaker 3: third book, ind of a psychic trying to teach me
Speaker 3: how to be a psychic, that they came into this
Speaker 3: world gifted what I considered gifted already they didn't have
Speaker 3: to learn. I mean, I was in my late twenties.
Speaker 3: I wasn't psychic, you know, and so I knew I
Speaker 3: had to learn a different way. So that I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: I got to put a program together, and I also
Speaker 3: want to do you know, Once I do that, I
Speaker 3: can teach it to everybody, you know. So then I
Speaker 3: again read books and I put together dream analysis meditating.
Speaker 3: And I didn't really know what meditating was, you know.
Speaker 3: I would read a book and try to do what
Speaker 3: they said. But it started working. Then as I was
Speaker 3: reading these books, there were authors who would mention the
Speaker 3: Monroe Institute and I'm like, oh, where is this place?
Speaker 3: And this is a mystery. But it was pre internet again,
Speaker 3: so I didn't know much about it, where it was,
Speaker 3: how I was it going to find it? And then
Speaker 3: I had a child. That means I got you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: And it took me until two thousand and eight, oh
Speaker 3: to get back to it.
Speaker 1: I was wondering, yeah that now I.
Speaker 3: Do want to say something here though I still was dabbling,
Speaker 3: you know, even though I was focused on family and
Speaker 3: raising my daughter. It wasn't that I gave it all up.
Speaker 3: I just wasn't seeking it on the same level. So
Speaker 3: I was still doing dream analysis and still meditating when
Speaker 3: I could find time, but I just it was kind
Speaker 3: of directionless and.
Speaker 4: Dream analysis I'm sorry, dream analysis. You mean you're you're
Speaker 4: waking up and immediately like kind of interpreting your dreams
Speaker 4: writing down. Yeah, well, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: And for me, I feel like that's a for anyone searching.
Speaker 3: I really think that's a key way or one of
Speaker 3: the key ways to do it. Because you learn a
Speaker 3: nonverbal language, you also learn and the way I look
Speaker 3: at it is, Okay, if I get I have a
Speaker 3: symbol of a rose in a dream, then because I
Speaker 3: worked with this and and made interpretations about different symbols,
Speaker 3: then I've got a communication system. So either my higher
Speaker 3: self or total self or guides can send me messages
Speaker 3: because they know what I think it will be, you know.
Speaker 3: So it's a it took many years, you know for
Speaker 3: me to do that, but I always can figure things
Speaker 3: out now because I've created that language.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's a fascinating way to describe it. Yeah, Like
Speaker 4: your gods like know what you're looking for kind of thing,
Speaker 4: and so they can send you a little wake hants
Speaker 4: and stuff.
Speaker 3: So just as an example, a simplistic example, and you've
Speaker 3: maybe you've had this stream before where your teeth are
Speaker 3: falling out.
Speaker 1: I haven't, but I have.
Speaker 3: It all right, So I as I worked with it,
Speaker 3: I decided or figured out that that meant, and I
Speaker 3: used the dream dictionaries, you know, to get some of
Speaker 3: my information, but I would exclude the superstitions. So if
Speaker 3: it's like, if your teeth are falling out, financial doom,
Speaker 3: I would just go no, yeah, that's not what's happening here.
Speaker 5: Edgar Casey has a wonderful dream dictionary references a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to be careful your source, definitely, but
Speaker 3: I have now forgot where I was.
Speaker 1: Your teeth are falling out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so your teeth are falling out. So I
Speaker 3: decided or determine that when I had that dream, that
Speaker 3: it meant I was giving away my personal power. So
Speaker 3: then I could go back to the day before, or
Speaker 3: you know, a few days before, to try to figure
Speaker 3: out when I did it, and then then you learn interesting. Wow, Okay,
Speaker 3: So meditation is the same way. You're in a meditation,
Speaker 3: you get information and then you can apply, you know,
Speaker 3: look at what's going on in your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm big on that because I have like a
Speaker 1: psychology degree undergrad and learning about like oh really yeah wow,
Speaker 1: I was curious about that too. That's amazing. We really
Speaker 1: have a similar path.
Speaker 4: Yes, I made, I just didn't get a degree.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's that's that's amazing, like the similarities between
Speaker 1: our our background and I resonate with a lot of
Speaker 1: what you're saying. Yeah, personally and always being curious about dreams.
Speaker 1: I've never had a good source for dream dictionary. It's
Speaker 1: kind of just Google, so.
Speaker 3: I would actually I found that to be a good
Speaker 3: one now okay, but just because of all the information
Speaker 3: that's out there, it seems to pull the best definitions.
Speaker 3: But it didn't used to. But now that's what I do.
Speaker 3: I just google it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, does Jung ring a bell? Carl Jung? Yeah,
Speaker 1: like the collective unconscious, that's kind of hitting all the
Speaker 1: same concept right, Like the subconscious knows these archetypal symbols,
Speaker 1: So I guess that makes sense, like your guides or
Speaker 1: your higher self or whoever is like, you know, here's
Speaker 1: this symbol that you can interpret that has some sort
Speaker 1: of meaning that you know. So that's fascinating stuff.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I was doing all these things, read about
Speaker 3: the institute, and then I got distracted. And then in
Speaker 3: two thousand and nine, no, two thousand and eight, November.
Speaker 3: I remember November two thousand and eight, my daughter and
Speaker 3: I went to the bookstore and I just didn't have
Speaker 3: anything I was thinking about buying. So I just walked
Speaker 3: up and down an aisle and I saw this book.
Speaker 3: And the book was the Journey of Robert Monroe. And
Speaker 3: I was like, this is it? You know, this isn't
Speaker 3: so coo? Yes, And I'd been reading about it, so
Speaker 3: I had to, you know, I bought it, of course,
Speaker 3: and I bought it. I read it really quickly, and
Speaker 3: before I had finished reading it, I had bought the
Speaker 3: entire Gateway series. At Gateway Wave series at the time
Speaker 3: there were six now they're eight disks, no well series.
Speaker 3: So each each set, each series has six I think
Speaker 3: five or six exercises, oh wow, meditations. So I just
Speaker 3: blew through that. And the interesting thing is I've talked
Speaker 3: to people over the years. Some people you'll do it
Speaker 3: one of two ways. You'll either just go through it
Speaker 3: like I did, like I'll do this. Then I want
Speaker 3: to do this, you know, keep doing it, keep doing it,
Speaker 3: and I might make a note I'll go back to
Speaker 3: that one, or you want to master it, so you'll
Speaker 3: keep listening to the same exercise over and over and
Speaker 3: over until you feel like you're ready for the next one.
Speaker 3: So I was the first way. I just.
Speaker 1: I love that because I've heard from people at the institute.
Speaker 1: I've heard both ways recommended, you know, or people saying
Speaker 1: like Ignacia, for example, he talks like the second path,
Speaker 1: like you know, yeah, and then it's interesting to hear
Speaker 1: from you. I'm more like you. I just want to
Speaker 1: blow through it.
Speaker 3: So I blew through it. And before I was through,
Speaker 3: I was like, I have to go. I don't care
Speaker 3: how I go. I don't have the money, but you know,
Speaker 3: I don't care. And I had to figure out what
Speaker 3: to do with my young daughter, which I did, and
Speaker 3: then I was there by March. So read the book
Speaker 3: in November two thousand and eight. There in March, and
Speaker 3: the minute I walked into the place, and I think
Speaker 3: we've had this conversation before. I was overcome by or
Speaker 3: overwhelmed by this feeling of you are home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh wow, that's beautiful.
Speaker 3: And I mean, I wasn't expecting it. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: just showing up, nervous about what am I getting myself into.
Speaker 3: And that was like it was washed over me. You
Speaker 3: are home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you went by yourself. Yeah, oh yeah, that's it
Speaker 4: is brave. You said it earlier. It is brave.
Speaker 3: Don't well, I didn't know anybody to ask to go
Speaker 3: with me.
Speaker 4: It's still like, that's that can be kind of scary.
Speaker 4: It is in this place. You don't know exactly what
Speaker 4: you're reading about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I actually just this is funny. So I coached
Speaker 3: myself on the way there and I was like, okay,
Speaker 3: you probably you know, you just don't have to talk
Speaker 3: to people. They'll all be weird, and so you can
Speaker 3: just you know, you just hang out by yourself. It'll
Speaker 3: be okay. You can do that for a week. That's,
Speaker 3: you know, what I told myself. Of course I didn't,
Speaker 3: you know, people are normal and regular and fun, and
Speaker 3: I didn't like to do that, right, I didn't have
Speaker 3: to do that. It was a great group of us
Speaker 3: that showed up.
Speaker 4: But so then back back then, you said two thousand
Speaker 4: and eight, two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3: Two thousand and eight, read the book two thousand and
Speaker 3: nine guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just a Gateway or they had.
Speaker 3: A few more programs. Is that what you're asking?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, what kind of programs?
Speaker 3: So it's our core programs that we still have, like Guidelines, Lifeline, Heartline,
Speaker 3: So they already had those programs going cool, but we've
Speaker 3: added a lot since.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, Yeah, I'll.
Speaker 1: Be doing Guidelines in July. Yeah, I'm very excited, excited,
Speaker 1: very excited. I have no idea what to expect, but
Speaker 1: I didn't for Gateway, and my expectations were far exceeded.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I'm telling you every thought that you're describing that
Speaker 1: you had I had. I'm nervous. I'm going to be
Speaker 1: I'm not going to make friends, even though it's all
Speaker 1: content creators. I'm like, I'm not going to make friends.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be the weird guy. And then I get
Speaker 1: there and I'm actually like the normal guy. Right, We're
Speaker 1: all normal, right, and we're all cool and we're all friends,
Speaker 1: and well, you know, the.
Speaker 3: Beauty of it is, it's it's an every time. Every
Speaker 3: program is different, but it's an interesting group that shows up,
Speaker 3: and it can be a seventy year old there with
Speaker 3: a twenty something year old you know, and just from
Speaker 3: all backgrounds, and it's wonderful because yeah, you just you
Speaker 3: meet people that you maybe haven't the type of person
Speaker 3: maybe you haven't met before, but it's so supportive that
Speaker 3: it just works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just works. I think of Monroe just having
Speaker 1: been there once and then staying in contact.
Speaker 3: As you know, you know, and yeah, we can't get
Speaker 3: rid of it.
Speaker 1: I don't think that'll be an easy task. But yeah,
Speaker 1: just having been there myself, the feeling that I get
Speaker 1: is Monroe really is just like a great beacon that
Speaker 1: attracts peop people who are like you described, like I've
Speaker 1: been through like these guys also, you know, have felt
Speaker 1: at some point that like sometimes you're just in deep
Speaker 1: need of an experience of something other. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. And I do feel like Monroe is
Speaker 1: that great place where people can go and they can
Speaker 1: have that real genuine experience with the other. But it's
Speaker 1: not weird, it's not scary. It's actually pretty normal and
Speaker 1: maybe even a little scientific, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and people have different motivations too, So you might
Speaker 3: really be into remote viewing and that's your motivation. Maybe
Speaker 3: you want to have an out of body that's your motivation.
Speaker 3: I was wanting to be more psychic.
Speaker 1: I wanted to learn more about myself.
Speaker 3: That's a really good motivation. That's a better motivation.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the same thing.
Speaker 3: That's really that's what happens.
Speaker 4: And then it branches off into so many different sub
Speaker 4: sects and like these these really like the heart line
Speaker 4: and the lifeline and that stuff is so fascinating to me.
Speaker 4: I'd love to do one of those one day. That'd
Speaker 4: be really awesome. But I had a I had a
Speaker 4: blast doing Creation Station and even doing it from home,
Speaker 4: like over zoom, I'm like, is this really gonna be
Speaker 4: Before we did it, I'm like, Okay, this will be cool,
Speaker 4: but is it really gonna be that big a deal?
Speaker 4: Day one we did it and I was like, oh man,
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know what I expected, but it's
Speaker 4: kind of blown me away. It was. It was so awesome.
Speaker 4: So I just love what you guys do. It's it's
Speaker 4: really cool. It's really unique. And we said on the
Speaker 4: episode with what was his name, Yeah, Archie, such a
Speaker 4: such an awesome guy. That was that was a great episode.
Speaker 4: And we said it on the episode with him, it's like,
Speaker 4: this is the only thing of its kind, really, you know,
Speaker 4: the only thing there is like this, and I love that.
Speaker 4: It's it's like backed by data, and it's also kind
Speaker 4: of data oriented. But it's not all about the data, right,
Speaker 4: It's more it's it's the experience that is the number one.
Speaker 3: And it's also small and intimate. You know, we our
Speaker 3: venues keep us locked in to certain numbers, and so
Speaker 3: one venue is twenty four or can go up to
Speaker 3: twenty six participants, and the other is twenty So if
Speaker 3: you're not going to go to a program and be
Speaker 3: with you know, five hundred people.
Speaker 1: Right, I never really thought about it like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that is a very good point.
Speaker 3: The trainers are there with you, you know, all the time,
Speaker 3: or most of that when they're sleeping.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4: Do they always do the experience with the class too?
Speaker 3: No, someone has to be running the control room, yes, true. Okay,
Speaker 3: but but what we'll do is we'll swap off and
Speaker 3: you know, so.
Speaker 1: I mean that's exactly what I would do, you know,
Speaker 1: take shifts. That's amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, But.
Speaker 3: A lot of times we're in the control room together,
Speaker 3: but you know, well we'll say, hey, I really want
Speaker 3: to do this one and yep.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I noticed like it would be one voice going
Speaker 1: under and then it would be another voice right coming
Speaker 1: out right.
Speaker 4: Like going into the exercises and coming out of the exercises.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's not like when we did virtual when
Speaker 1: when you're there residential, there's another built at least at
Speaker 1: the top of the mountain. I haven't experienced the bottom
Speaker 1: of the mountain. There's another building where they speak into
Speaker 1: a microphone making sure everybody's ready to go into the meditation.
Speaker 1: And it's like all these check units are linked and
Speaker 1: there's a switch that you flip and once all the
Speaker 1: lights are green, then red red.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, but we call it, well, it's not they're blue.
Speaker 3: We call it ready lights.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I did go in that room one time. I
Speaker 1: got to see the amazing set up there and it's awesome.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so it's like they're talking to you live
Speaker 1: from another location. Simultaneously, everybody's hearing the trainer's voice like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is you know the parameters of this exercise, you
Speaker 1: know the purpose? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the other location we're all of the same building.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, cool, yeah.
Speaker 4: Other location it's not in Virginia, there's no.
Speaker 3: Well it is we have two campuses or two venues
Speaker 3: in the a mile apart.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's what you're talking about top of the mountain
Speaker 4: and bottom of the mountain.
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, there's two like buildings like gotcha, you know, facilities,
Speaker 1: but it's all in the same area.
Speaker 4: But I wonder what the you know, a place so
Speaker 4: special like this that is truly one of a kind.
Speaker 4: I wonder what, like the the prolific, like the number
Speaker 4: of people that come is it? Has it grown exponentially?
Speaker 4: It seems like the past couple of years, I've heard
Speaker 4: more people talking about Monroe than ever.
Speaker 3: And that's by design.
Speaker 4: Okay. I had wondered, like, is it just because we
Speaker 4: are starting to talk about it more here?
Speaker 3: No, since I started in the position i'm in now,
Speaker 3: we have been initiating a high growth strategy and so
Speaker 3: we've been doing a lot of different things in it,
Speaker 3: and now it's we're seeing the result.
Speaker 1: So this is a great segue into the next thing.
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about. Your mission. Yeah, let's let's
Speaker 1: talk about that. The thing that I took away from
Speaker 1: Monroe that had me so motivated to continue on my
Speaker 1: journey trying to you know, be a part of Monroe
Speaker 1: was when I spoke to you and of course from
Speaker 1: the trainers, and I heard your mission, So let's talk
Speaker 1: about that.
Speaker 3: So this happened before I got there. They created the
Speaker 3: mission and it's to reach one percent of the world's population.
Speaker 3: That's what we were saying. So when I got there,
Speaker 3: when we had our first in person board member board meeting,
Speaker 3: we decided we need to say a little bit more.
Speaker 3: We need to figure this out a little bit more,
Speaker 3: because we weren't tracking it. We were just saying it.
Speaker 3: And then we really hadn't defined it, define it yet,
Speaker 3: like what what is that? What do we mean?
Speaker 4: What was the number?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Or well we had the number, but what were we
Speaker 3: wanting those eighty people to do?
Speaker 1: You know, like a million, right, I mean.
Speaker 3: Eighty million, eighty million people to do? And so we
Speaker 3: defined it as having a direct experience. So what we
Speaker 3: count now is your first time that we can figure
Speaker 3: out having a first having a direct experience. Wow, And
Speaker 3: we and we measure it every quarter, we pull our numbers,
Speaker 3: we look at it and we're still a little behind,
Speaker 3: but we're working on it. We're working on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing because I know in the very beginning
Speaker 1: of the institute. Robert Monroe himself had a similar mission,
Speaker 1: and it was in five thousand.
Speaker 3: Right, wanting to reach a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wanted to reach five thousand people. He believed
Speaker 1: that if he reached five thousand that it would change
Speaker 1: the world. And they found out that they actually reached
Speaker 1: that very quickly in the world, and here we are.
Speaker 1: But I love that. That's amazing, you know, trying to engage.
Speaker 1: It's like when I learned that because my initial thought
Speaker 1: about Monroe before I had gone for myself, as you know,
Speaker 1: my dad had been, my sister had been, and I've
Speaker 1: known a lot of people throughout my life who had
Speaker 1: told me about Monroe. Let me listen to some tapes,
Speaker 1: so I had a little bit of an introduction, but
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what you were about. You know,
Speaker 1: I knew what you were, but I didn't know what
Speaker 1: you were about. And when I found out what you
Speaker 1: were about, I realized that it was just such an
Speaker 1: amazing mission, you know.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, that eighty people were going to reach I'd.
Speaker 1: Probably do that every week, you know, but that's amazing.
Speaker 4: It probably is something like eighty people every week.
Speaker 1: Way more, yeah, way more it's been millions by now
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like throughout the whole what are we coming up on?
Speaker 3: Just over fifty years, Tube has over a million that's awesome.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: But a lot of this has happened in the last
Speaker 3: two years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the momentum has hit a different stride. It's hit
Speaker 4: a completely new stride yep. Which it's it's amazing, And
Speaker 4: I mean I think a lot of people need this
Speaker 4: in a very serious way, and I think it's saving
Speaker 4: a lot of people.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I can tell you it's saved me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in a sense.
Speaker 3: Oh. I love hearing stories and reading people's experiences because
Speaker 3: it's it's all about self evolution. Bob and Rose said
Speaker 3: he looks at this as the Earth life system. So
Speaker 3: we're here and we're given the let's say, the hand
Speaker 3: that we're dealt is to help us with our reach
Speaker 3: our highest potential. So with that hand, then we play it.
Speaker 3: And if we have help and we learn tools that
Speaker 3: help us play it better, we're you know, we're more
Speaker 3: likely to reach that highest potential for ourselves.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that's where Monroe comes in. Let's let's give you
Speaker 3: some additional insight.
Speaker 4: That's amazing, it's really profound because there are a lot
Speaker 4: of people that that is it's the drive to experience
Speaker 4: something like that, to experience something and know that you're
Speaker 4: more than your body is is the most important thing
Speaker 4: in their lives and without it, it's like their purposeless
Speaker 4: or they're they're lost or distraught.
Speaker 3: But sometimes you're lost and you're trying to figure things out,
Speaker 3: and that's just part of your journey too, you know.
Speaker 4: It really is profound, and that's it's that's my favorite
Speaker 4: part about what we do with our show is reading
Speaker 4: the people who reach out and say your show has
Speaker 4: really helped me, and you know, I feel like I
Speaker 4: have a community or I feel, you know, like I
Speaker 4: can be myself with with you know you guys and
Speaker 4: feel like I'm in the room with you guys. It's
Speaker 4: and then meeting them in person is just like the
Speaker 4: takes it to the next level. It's so profound, and
Speaker 4: it really just it fills me with a sense of Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm impacting positive change, right.
Speaker 3: It's you know what I wish everyone could do, though
Speaker 3: is and sometimes it's hard, and I've been in situations
Speaker 3: where it's been hard, but to remind ourselves that this
Speaker 3: is the earth life system. This is a game that
Speaker 3: we're playing, and then we we just need to play
Speaker 3: it the best we can as it unfolds for us.
Speaker 3: And if we can step more into the observer role,
Speaker 3: which is what that is, then it's a little easier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's a beautiful and we're.
Speaker 3: Lucky to be here having this experience, you know, absolutely,
Speaker 3: no matter the handw're dealt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, gratitude is a hugely important thing, like, you know,
Speaker 4: just to be here. You know, when I'm going through
Speaker 4: the lowest lows in life, gratitude is the thing that
Speaker 4: pulls me out, like I'm lucky to be going through
Speaker 4: this horrible dark thing right now. If you look at
Speaker 4: the statistics, the chances of us being here versus the
Speaker 4: amount of people that could have been here astronomically different.
Speaker 5: That reminds me of something that I experienced in Gateway
Speaker 5: or Creation Station. Is I went in with my mantra
Speaker 5: and what I learned was that unlimited gratitude leads to
Speaker 5: unlimited wealth, and that the gratitude directly is responsible for
Speaker 5: having unlimited wealth. This is interesting that popped up.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Two things to say about that. One Just
Speaker 1: the other day, my sister sent me a psychological study
Speaker 1: or some kind of study I can't remember, and it's
Speaker 1: like proven that when you actively practice gratitude that the
Speaker 1: parts of your brain that process anxiety are dampened, like neurologically,
Speaker 1: just actively practicing meditation.
Speaker 4: Right, Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, in terms of the practicing
Speaker 4: gratitude thing. Just this week, just two days ago, I
Speaker 4: think my wife, Casey, was having a tough day at work,
Speaker 4: just really you know, one of those days where you're
Speaker 4: just getting beat up from every angle and you're like,
Speaker 4: I can't win today and whatever. And she was really
Speaker 4: really down. And we eat lunch together every day because
Speaker 4: we work for the same company, so we go and
Speaker 4: have lunch together. And I told her when I was
Speaker 4: heading back, I told her, just for the next ten minutes,
Speaker 4: list every single thing in your life that you're grateful
Speaker 4: for the biggest things down to the tiniest little things
Speaker 4: that you take for granted, and just do not stop
Speaker 4: until you can't even think of things too, because I
Speaker 4: do that. Just you know, maybe a year and a
Speaker 4: half ago before moving here was just a tough time
Speaker 4: in life. It just happens.
Speaker 3: You're going to have them it's like, yeah, it's like
Speaker 3: seasons and they're natural.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they come out of nowhere. You're like, where
Speaker 4: in the world did this come?
Speaker 3: You're growing from it?
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely that.
Speaker 1: The problem is some people aren't aware of.
Speaker 3: That, right. Some people think it's going to be this
Speaker 3: way for it, they suffer.
Speaker 4: And how fortunate I feel to know that it's just
Speaker 4: a temporary season. Yes, it's seasonal. And like you said,
Speaker 4: I I almost when you're in it, it's you know,
Speaker 4: it feels horrible, but there's that little thought in the
Speaker 4: back of my head like I'm going to be better
Speaker 4: because of this. I'm going to get out of this.
Speaker 4: And but for a while, it was like just crushing
Speaker 4: gratitude was the one thing. It's the one thing, literally
Speaker 4: going on a walk and saying out loud everything I
Speaker 4: see around me, I'm grateful for everything I have in
Speaker 4: my life. I just don't I wouldn't have made it through.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have another one I like to use, especially
Speaker 3: if I'm dealing with someone that's either adversarial or upset
Speaker 3: with me, is in my head just repeat I love you,
Speaker 3: I love you, I love you.
Speaker 4: I don't know how, but I never thought of it.
Speaker 4: I knew you were going to just like a and you.
Speaker 3: Might not see it switching in that moment, but it'll
Speaker 3: it starts turning, you know, and just so instead of
Speaker 3: attacking back, you just you just send out love.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Can I tell you about an experience that I had
Speaker 1: a Gateway. I kind of was curious because it seems like,
Speaker 1: based on our conversation earlier, you had a similar experience
Speaker 1: when we were talking at lunch. But when I was
Speaker 1: a Gateway last summer, I was at a really hard
Speaker 1: place in life. I had just bought this house the
Speaker 1: day before. So I got to the Creator Gateway June fifteenth,
Speaker 1: the day before we had just stopped doing construction work
Speaker 1: on this house after a three month, very stressful period.
Speaker 1: My head was messed up when I got but I
Speaker 1: had to go.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It was like the best opportunity of my life. And
Speaker 1: I get there and I learned so many tools from Gateway,
Speaker 1: you know, the like the energy conversion box, the reball, yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and all of those different tools and even
Speaker 1: the focus levels. And there was a couple of instances there.
Speaker 1: Some of them were I don't know if I would
Speaker 1: say out of body. I definitely did go out of
Speaker 1: body one or two or maybe even three or four times.
Speaker 1: But then there were some times where it's like I
Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily out of body, maybe by locating maybe I
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know the term. But something was happening,
Speaker 1: you know, And something that I experienced was because I
Speaker 1: was already at such a hard place in life. I
Speaker 1: had this very strange journey that I went on where
Speaker 1: it was like I was floating down a river, but
Speaker 1: that river was time, and I understood it as across
Speaker 1: all lifetimes. Okay, right, So it like I was just
Speaker 1: kind of maybe on a raft whatever, but I'm just
Speaker 1: like floating down this river. It's winding, it's going down.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like rapids and it's really rough. And it
Speaker 1: came through to me like the only thing that you
Speaker 1: have control over throughout the entire existence of all of
Speaker 1: it is your own inner light, is your own inner
Speaker 1: you know being. And it came through very clearly to me, like,
Speaker 1: you know, practice the reball, practice being happy, being as
Speaker 1: positive as you can, because every now and then life
Speaker 1: is like, you know, if it's the metaphor of the river,
Speaker 1: you're going down the rapids and it's turbulent and you
Speaker 1: can't control that. But what you can control is how brightly,
Speaker 1: how you respond, how brightly you shine. And it just
Speaker 1: kind of came through to me, like sometimes it's tough,
Speaker 1: it's all right, it's a season, like we're talking about,
Speaker 1: but with these tools, you can navigate these storms or
Speaker 1: these you know, rocky roads or whatever. And that was
Speaker 1: really profound. And then there was a couple other things
Speaker 1: I experienced there that that were very perspective altering. And
Speaker 1: I came home and I was just like Alex will
Speaker 1: tell you, I went very stressed and then I got
Speaker 1: home and you the first thing you said was you
Speaker 1: were like, wow, you look different. Remember that's common. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was. It was life changing for me, and it
Speaker 1: and it I say it saved me. That's a little dramatic,
Speaker 1: but like I went to Gateway not having the tools
Speaker 1: to manage being. Uh. I guess you could say like
Speaker 1: a person having psychic or supernatural experiences, living in a
Speaker 1: world that is very mundane, and the majority of people
Speaker 1: that you encounter, I'm sure you've experienced this, you know,
Speaker 1: being in your position, the majority of people you encounter,
Speaker 1: they they want to suppress it it scares them.
Speaker 3: Well, no, not the majority I made anymore good.
Speaker 1: But there was a.
Speaker 3: Time in my life at the institute that's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are meaning like minded people, and I.
Speaker 3: Wasn't right you know now I was. I've lived there too, yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then when I went to Monroe, I was normal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was totally normal, right, Nobody was phased by any
Speaker 1: of it, and it was it was amazing, and I
Speaker 1: was like, there are other people in the world like me,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, not only that, but like there's
Speaker 1: an actual school that is real, genuine where you come
Speaker 1: to develop these things, you know, so.
Speaker 3: And there's no dogma, right, you know, attached to it.
Speaker 3: So that's nice too. We're not trying to change any
Speaker 3: beliefs at all.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think that's one of the best things
Speaker 4: about it. It's like you don't have there's nothing required.
Speaker 4: It's all about you having a personal experience and extrapolating
Speaker 4: the things and interpreting absolutely, yes, yes, absolutely, and then
Speaker 4: leaving with those tools that will help you spiritually but
Speaker 4: also help you, like you're saying, like navigate just kind
Speaker 4: of the the everyday mundane life things that just like
Speaker 4: meditation like like you know you can it can both
Speaker 4: help you in a spiritual way or if you're having
Speaker 4: a bad day, you know it can help you in
Speaker 4: that way as well.
Speaker 3: Practical applications too.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, absolutely, So what would be an example of practical.
Speaker 3: Application concentration which you said you use it guilty? When
Speaker 3: he's been preparing for our training program, you've been listening
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 1: You said, Oh, so we're gonna put the cat out
Speaker 1: of the bag right now. Oh, I'm sorry, no, that
Speaker 1: I was kind of hoping this. I honestly was planning this. Okay,
Speaker 1: So yep, you heard it from Alan.
Speaker 3: And we accepted you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're hard to get. Yeah, the theme here.
Speaker 3: We I haven't signed off yet, that's true.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 4: I'm on thin ice by a couple more dinners.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's amazing. So, yes, you have heard it
Speaker 1: firsthand from Alan that I am going through a training
Speaker 1: program too, and.
Speaker 3: You'll be training some like Focused ten and Focused twelve,
Speaker 3: which are basic founding and other things too.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's how it started.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this has been in the works secretly since last June.
Speaker 1: First time ever.
Speaker 3: Okay, aout, he's been dropping He's.
Speaker 4: But yeah, this is the first time. It's it's completely
Speaker 4: out there. Yeah, that's congratulations.
Speaker 3: And you'll be finished when.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because I have to do the Phase three.
Speaker 3: Which is you know, I've been tour things yeah, okay, and.
Speaker 1: I have initiated contact there and I've been busy this
Speaker 1: week because you came, you know, but I'm very It'll
Speaker 1: be this year for sure. Ok probably summer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't let it, don't wait.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. Yeah. Phase two is April. Phase three
Speaker 1: get that out of the way, which I have to
Speaker 1: talk to you guys about that.
Speaker 4: Okay, you guys will.
Speaker 1: Be my guinea pigs.
Speaker 4: All right, sounds good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, moving on. Yeah, so now I can
Speaker 1: speak a little more clearly. When I was there in June,
Speaker 1: that kind of unfolded and meeting you too was very
Speaker 1: impactful and you might remember this, but I had done
Speaker 1: an interview with you, do you remember, yeah, which is
Speaker 1: going to come out soon. I was kind of timing it,
Speaker 1: which I mean, this is it's like three or four minutes.
Speaker 1: It's really cool interview, but this is you know, this
Speaker 1: takes the cake and this this is amazing that you
Speaker 1: came here to do this with us. But when we
Speaker 1: were doing that, I had just come out of focus
Speaker 1: twenty one. As you know, throughout the week you start
Speaker 1: you start to shift, you know what I mean, because
Speaker 1: you're having these profound experiences. And there was a moment
Speaker 1: when I was trying to work the camera and I
Speaker 1: looked at you, and I don't know what possessed me
Speaker 1: to say this. I just looked into your eyes and
Speaker 1: I could just feel this, uh, this powerful energy with you, you know,
Speaker 1: like you're just an amazing person. You radiate thank you
Speaker 1: and energy. And I looked at you in the eyes
Speaker 1: and I said, Alan, you have a presence about you.
Speaker 1: I just want you to know that. Do you remember
Speaker 1: that I don't? And You're just like thank you? And
Speaker 1: that was it. But sure, to God, I was just like,
Speaker 1: let me tell you. I said, Alan, you do have
Speaker 1: a presence about you. You You're a very powerful person. Anyway,
Speaker 1: just talk to me about the institute and I'm like
Speaker 1: recording her. It's a fun week. And that just kind
Speaker 1: of unfolded. And we've kind of been working this out
Speaker 1: in secret, and I've been I've not been looking back.
Speaker 1: I've just been wanting to completely dedicate myself to helping
Speaker 1: the institute.
Speaker 3: Do you mind telling adding the part about the institute
Speaker 3: to your the story You just telled us about the river,
Speaker 3: which part you said as you were going down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's okay. I'm glad you said that. That
Speaker 1: was actually two different experiences, So I'll talk about the
Speaker 1: other one, Okay, Yeah, I would love to. I paraphrased
Speaker 1: it at lunch, but sure. Yeah. So when I was there,
Speaker 1: it was it was after Archie came to me in private,
Speaker 1: and it just happened that way. We were having lunch
Speaker 1: one day. It wasn't like he was like coming to
Speaker 1: me and whispering me on the side. We were just
Speaker 1: talking and we were at lunch and we were really
Speaker 1: having a great conversation and he just casually was like,
Speaker 1: you know, you really should consider looking into outreach. It
Speaker 1: starts next month. And I was like, what's outreach, you know,
Speaker 1: which is how Alan started.
Speaker 4: Yeah, amazing. Yeah, I was gonna ask.
Speaker 1: That's why in the beginning of the episode, I was like,
Speaker 1: we really have a similar path.
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask, Yeah, okay, we.
Speaker 1: Had the same I promise, I'm happy with the outreach thing,
Speaker 1: and and you know, kind of the synergy of the
Speaker 1: platform here, and you know, I'm not like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm just taking it one day at a time. I
Speaker 1: don't know what this path unfolds. But anyway, yeah, well
Speaker 1: you know, I'm happy. I'm happy with how it's unfolding.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I'm talking with Archie and he's just like,
Speaker 1: you should look at this outreach thing, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: tell me about it. And we had this whole conversation
Speaker 1: about it, and he basically told me. He was like, look,
Speaker 1: normally you have to have X number of programs, and
Speaker 1: that's why I'm doing the guidelines. You know, it's like
Speaker 1: kind of rushing. That's why I have to wait for
Speaker 1: phase three because I want to do that first. I
Speaker 1: think I had worked it out to where I had
Speaker 1: to do that, and then I'll do the phase three, right.
Speaker 2: OK.
Speaker 1: So anyway, Arkie's explaining it to me, He's like, normally
Speaker 1: you gotta have a program beyond Gateway and then you
Speaker 1: go through it's like school. It's like a year of school.
Speaker 1: It was like, huh, Monroe University. That sounds enticing, you know, just.
Speaker 4: Like that's cool, or perhaps Monroe Institute of course.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I my school was in you. And
Speaker 1: then for whatever reason, I thought about Monsters University, and
Speaker 1: I just like Monroe University in my head. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like people get PhDs. I'm going to
Speaker 1: the premiere psychic constitute of the world and getting certified
Speaker 1: to be a trainer. I'm like, Wow, that's amazing. This
Speaker 1: is my real thoughts, you know. I'm like, this is
Speaker 1: this is actually amazing to think about. I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: I actually am really interested in that. But I'm scared
Speaker 1: because I have such a busy life and we have
Speaker 1: this thing going on, and and I was like, would
Speaker 1: I really be cut out for this?
Speaker 3: I had that same question right, A lot.
Speaker 1: Of those fears you were describing, I had to, you know,
Speaker 1: And I went and I did a meditation after we
Speaker 1: had that conversation, and I saw again kind of how
Speaker 1: I saw the like the river of my life. This
Speaker 1: time it wasn't like time, but it was like my
Speaker 1: journey and it was a road. It was like a
Speaker 1: dirt road, and it was just like infinitely unwinding, and
Speaker 1: it was like, this is your path. You know, you
Speaker 1: were walking this path. This is your destiny basically, like
Speaker 1: where you're going to go next? And I saw Monroe
Speaker 1: just kind of appeared on the path and it wasn't
Speaker 1: like blocking the road. It was beside the road. It
Speaker 1: was going with the road, and it just kind of
Speaker 1: you know how it goes, like sometimes understandings flash in
Speaker 1: your mind, right, and it just kind of flashed. It
Speaker 1: was like just follow Monroe and I went up to
Speaker 1: Archie after that session. I was like, I'll do it,
Speaker 1: you know. So we worked it out to where I
Speaker 1: could get that second program, you know, before the graduations.
Speaker 1: And there's a few other things about Monroe and the
Speaker 1: ones I haven't even told you yet, you know, if
Speaker 1: you want me to go into that, but sure. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: since I left Gateway last year, I've gone out of
Speaker 1: body spontaneously like five or six times.
Speaker 3: Very nice. It definitely opened a gateway, you know, and
Speaker 3: a lot of times it happens after you get home.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, And that has been happening for me even
Speaker 1: like not even just going out of body. But I
Speaker 1: will tell you, like a lot of pressure in the
Speaker 1: third eye area. Is that common?
Speaker 4: Really? Yes, all the time, fascinating all the time.
Speaker 1: Not not all the time, but all the time.
Speaker 3: It can depend on how you perceive and so some
Speaker 3: of us can do so through physical senses and and
Speaker 3: so you're feeling that energetic expansion in a physical way. Okay,
Speaker 3: see yeah, so not everybody might experience that, just like
Speaker 3: not everyone's not everyone will be Claire audience, which means
Speaker 3: hearing or clarent right, right, So it just depends on
Speaker 3: how you tap in.
Speaker 4: So for some people it's more in the mind.
Speaker 3: Right, it can just be you just know and that
Speaker 3: that's psychic, you know, that is being intuitive. But a
Speaker 3: lot of people will dismiss that because it's not how
Speaker 3: they want it to be.
Speaker 1: That's been me. Yeah, Like I've always kind of felt like,
Speaker 1: I guess the term is clear sentient, like sometimes these
Speaker 1: knowings just come to me. But I have always active
Speaker 1: suppressed that. And then I went to Monroe and it
Speaker 1: was like that gateway was open where I came home
Speaker 1: and it was like, Okay, I can't suppress this anymore,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And anyway, so there's been
Speaker 1: five or six different occasions over the last just under
Speaker 1: a year. Now that I'm laying there, I'm like kind
Speaker 1: of trying to go to sleep, but like I explained
Speaker 1: to you, I'm hyperactive. So a lot of times, I'm
Speaker 1: just slaying in bed for an hour, you know, So
Speaker 1: I'm not asleep. I know what it's like to fall asleep.
Speaker 1: I don't just fall asleep, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm always the last one up.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh oh my god. We'd have a bunch of
Speaker 4: people over staying the night. He'd be up to like
Speaker 4: six am.
Speaker 1: As a kid, you know, even as a toddler, I
Speaker 1: would resist going to sleep, even.
Speaker 4: Just like a year ago, when we were recording in
Speaker 4: the other apartment, if we'd have guests come, or if
Speaker 4: like his siblings would be there staying, He's up until
Speaker 4: the last person drops. I always I throw in the
Speaker 4: towel hours before then I'm going to bed.
Speaker 1: So I say all that to say that I confidently
Speaker 1: know that I am not asleep when this is happening
Speaker 1: with me, you know what I mean. It's a real
Speaker 1: theme in my life, and there have been multiple occasions
Speaker 1: where I'm laying there and all of a sudden, I'll
Speaker 1: feel this pressure in my like pineal glands. It's not painful,
Speaker 1: but it's like kind of like a it's kind of
Speaker 1: like not a pulsing, but it's like a just like
Speaker 1: a energy movement thing, you know, and sometimes it's like
Speaker 1: like the first time it happened, it was like my
Speaker 1: mind like if you close your eyes, you can still
Speaker 1: kind of see. You're not seeing with your eyes, but
Speaker 1: you can maybe see images in your head or whatever.
Speaker 1: I was closing my eyes and laying there, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's like I was away from my
Speaker 1: body and my vision in my mind kind of did
Speaker 1: this wiggle like a serpent and went through this almost
Speaker 1: like a portal, and it's like, next thing I knew,
Speaker 1: I was downstairs and I was looking at myself, but
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be a little weird, but it'll it'll
Speaker 1: circle back.
Speaker 3: I'm looking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the CEO of so I'm looking at myself,
Speaker 1: and as weird as it sounds, I look like what
Speaker 1: I thought at the time. I looked like kind of
Speaker 1: like the Joker, Like I had white face paint, these
Speaker 1: black marks on my face and black long hair. And
Speaker 1: my first thought was, oh, it's a clown, kind of
Speaker 1: like the Joker. And that was in I want to say,
Speaker 1: probably like June. Oh no, no, no, September, because June I
Speaker 1: was at Gateway. Then I went to Europe for a
Speaker 1: month and then I got home, so it was probably
Speaker 1: more like August or September that that happened to me.
Speaker 1: And I was like whoa. And I saw a couple
Speaker 1: of other things, like I saw this stone statue that
Speaker 1: looked like some Hindu deity and it had its tongue
Speaker 1: out like making a really like you know, like a
Speaker 1: shocking face. And I looked it up later and it
Speaker 1: was something like Collie, like, you know, the Hindus believe
Speaker 1: that sometimes when you're going through like a like a
Speaker 1: an ego death, or you're going through some sort of tative,
Speaker 1: transformative experience, that sometimes the more shocking the image that
Speaker 1: you see, the more it serves to like reduce your ego.
Speaker 1: I don't that's what I read, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: have a particular thing with that image I saw, but
Speaker 1: it was a stone Hindu statue and it was like shocking,
Speaker 1: and I was like whoa. And then it changed and
Speaker 1: it was like this weird machine, like just all these
Speaker 1: levers and knobs and like pistons and they're just like
Speaker 1: moving and all this steam coming out of it. And
Speaker 1: this information came to me that it was like you know,
Speaker 1: you are you are evolving, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: This machine looked like nonsense. It looked like some weird
Speaker 1: alien technology, but you had the feeling. But I had
Speaker 1: the feeling that I was the machine like evolving.
Speaker 4: So that's that clear sentience word that you guys are talking.
Speaker 4: It's like a no, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: I just have these like it's like information come through
Speaker 1: and he just has a voice. It's just like a feeling.
Speaker 3: And then it resonates, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: To wrap that story up, Alex Nick and I go
Speaker 1: to a Halloween party in October at our mutual friend's house.
Speaker 1: There's a guy there addressed like the Crow. Do you
Speaker 1: know the Crow? It's you know, Bruce Lee has a
Speaker 1: son that he's now passed. His name was Brandon Lee.
Speaker 1: He played in the movie called The Crow, White Face.
Speaker 3: Paint, The.
Speaker 1: Marks, yep. And I end up having like a thirty
Speaker 1: minute to an hour long conversation with this guy. And
Speaker 1: he had this very traumatic spiritual psychosis event in his
Speaker 1: life where he was hospitalized, and I found myself in
Speaker 1: an opportunity to be able to give him words of
Speaker 1: like affirmation, and he kept saying things to me like yeah,
Speaker 1: I went crazy this that and the other, and I
Speaker 1: was in an opportunity to like, no, man, you're not crazy,
Speaker 1: you just you know, and like encourage him, lift him up.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wait a minute, I didn't see
Speaker 1: myself as the joker.
Speaker 3: It was that guy, right.
Speaker 1: Whoa, That's what I saw.
Speaker 2: Whoa.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so back to the one about Monroe that
Speaker 1: started happening pretty regularly where I'm like just spontaneously going
Speaker 1: out of body, and one that I had was I
Speaker 1: saw Monroe and I saw myself, and I saw myself
Speaker 1: portrayed as having this kind of like energy field around me,
Speaker 1: and all of these experiences throughout my life, you know,
Speaker 1: the orbs or maybe weird dreams or any sort of
Speaker 1: kind of phenomenon that can't really be explained. It was
Speaker 1: like there's this field around me that it was just
Speaker 1: like a wild field of unfocused like psychic energy, and
Speaker 1: things were happening around me subtly that I wasn't even
Speaker 1: aware of, you know what I'm saying. And then I
Speaker 1: saw the institute and it looked like a castle, like
Speaker 1: with turrets and all these walls, and people are walking
Speaker 1: up and down the walls. It just looked like a
Speaker 1: medieval castle. For some reason, maybe a symbolic the information
Speaker 1: came through to me that like the Monroe Institute is
Speaker 1: a place where people go to make those unconscious abilities conscious.
Speaker 1: That there are many gifted potentials in the world, and
Speaker 1: really everybody is gifted. I just think some people aren't
Speaker 1: desperate need to understand it, you know. And it just
Speaker 1: came through to me very clearly, like Monroe is the
Speaker 1: place where you go to develop this, make it conscious,
Speaker 1: you know, learn like like it was explained to me,
Speaker 1: like you know, like a student and a master, like
Speaker 1: sometimes you may be born you know. You see three
Speaker 1: year olds play the piano, and some people are just
Speaker 1: born with abilities that need to be refined by a master,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So very nice. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it goes on and on more of a and.
Speaker 3: Do you journal? Yes. The reason you want a journal
Speaker 3: is because you can go back and a lot of
Speaker 3: times it's like you're getting little bread crumbs which you've
Speaker 3: described several and then you can look back at it
Speaker 3: and see for validation to remind yourself.
Speaker 4: You know, yeah, kind of your progress.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I've been reading my journals again because
Speaker 3: I'm writing a book. Really, yes, and it's been very interesting.
Speaker 3: You know what I wrote about and I didn't remember,
Speaker 3: you know. One of them was something you said earlier
Speaker 3: about there were people like me. So I kept hearing
Speaker 3: this message over and over there are more people like you,
Speaker 3: there are more people like you, And I think I
Speaker 3: think it resonates with what you were saying, that we're
Speaker 3: out here, we just need to figure out how to
Speaker 3: get together.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: So what is were you going to say something? No, oh, sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to cut you off. But what's the
Speaker 1: overall premise of the book.
Speaker 3: It's more about the journey of moving from being what
Speaker 3: I would consider not psychic to psychic, and just talking
Speaker 3: about the tools and then bringing in Bob's work with
Speaker 3: it as well and Bob's message.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 4: Is it a sort of autobiography?
Speaker 3: I mean it is. I do use life my life
Speaker 3: experiences to make points, so there is some personal telling
Speaker 3: natural of the story. Yeah, but the focus I believe
Speaker 3: is more on the tools. Yeah, and how to self evolve,
Speaker 3: you know, how to continue that process, and then sort
Speaker 3: of the lines we were already talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: just ways to think about things that shift your perspective,
Speaker 3: like gratitude, one of my favorite mantras that I've been using,
Speaker 3: and I didn't know this until I read my diary,
Speaker 3: but I've been using it for about ten years, and
Speaker 3: that is to say, what's mine is mine, what's not
Speaker 3: is not. So when I don't get something that I
Speaker 3: really want, or you know, it's a direction I'm going
Speaker 3: and I just know that's the right direction and it
Speaker 3: falls apart, I can be sad about it, but I
Speaker 3: can pull myself really quickly out of sadness because I
Speaker 3: just remind myself what's mine is mine, what's not is not,
Speaker 3: So mine's coming. I thought it was that it wasn't,
Speaker 3: you know. Yeah, So that kind of information.
Speaker 1: That's something I struggle with really bad. And that's been
Speaker 1: a theme this week that I've had the opportunity to
Speaker 1: talk about with Alex. After you left the other night,
Speaker 1: we just had a you know, sometimes we'll record and
Speaker 1: then you'll leave and then we'll do another show, but
Speaker 1: we'll kind of talk a little bit before we start. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and with my wife this week, something that has been
Speaker 1: a recurring theme in my life lately is like trying
Speaker 1: to let go of results because I.
Speaker 3: Am so you've got a new affirmation which is what's mine.
Speaker 1: Is mine mine, Okay, and what's not is not?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I like it. Yeah, So make the intention.
Speaker 3: We need a path, we need we need something to
Speaker 3: intend for and then take the steps and it'll come
Speaker 3: in whatever way you know it's supposed to. It might
Speaker 3: not be the way you think it's supposed to come.
Speaker 3: Doesn't mean it's not coming, just it will look different. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's divine right there you go.
Speaker 1: It's caused me a lot of grief in my life
Speaker 1: being so obsessed with results, results, you know. So like
Speaker 1: that's something that has just been a recent theme in
Speaker 1: my life that I have. Coincidentally you're bringing this up.
Speaker 1: It's like perfect timing for me. Good, you know, because
Speaker 1: it's like something that I really am Like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: need to work on this. Yeah, you know, detachment or whatever.
Speaker 3: And that is a hard one, you know, And that's
Speaker 3: part the manifesting idea is that you're supposed to release,
Speaker 3: you know, like once you put it out there, you're
Speaker 3: supposed to surrender. And that's that's easier said than done.
Speaker 3: You have to surrender to the attachment.
Speaker 4: The attachment thing we are like so naturally we cling
Speaker 4: to things because we want to feel like we own them.
Speaker 4: We want to feel like we own our destinies in
Speaker 4: our lives and we are in control. We're in full control,
Speaker 4: and like you know, and then right right the second
Speaker 4: that we realize like maybe we're not, it can crumble
Speaker 4: and it can feel devastating, but it's good. I really
Speaker 4: like your mantra. I really like that what's mine is
Speaker 4: mine and what's not is not. It's similar to my favorite,
Speaker 4: which is it is what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 4: That's my that's my favorite love. That's my favorite mantra
Speaker 4: in the world that if things are just abysmal, it is.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like some street wisdom. I like that.
Speaker 1: I want to ask you some pretty out there questions,
Speaker 1: but from a very genuine place of learning, because I
Speaker 1: think everybody's individual experience with reality is just going to
Speaker 1: be slightly different, you know. So I'm curious, like in
Speaker 1: all of your time being involved, i mean even before Monroe,
Speaker 1: with you being interested in this kind of psychic body
Speaker 1: of knowledge, and you know, we talked about this a
Speaker 1: little bit at lunch. I did have another out of
Speaker 1: body experience at Gateway where I know that Monroe is
Speaker 1: a place of non dogma, and that's one of the
Speaker 1: best things about it. But I also understand that throughout
Speaker 1: time there have been other things maybe that have a dogma,
Speaker 1: but still have you know, maybe they have things that
Speaker 1: are true and things that are not true, or they
Speaker 1: have a dogma because maybe it's some centuries old tradition.
Speaker 1: But anyway, my point is it occurred to me in
Speaker 1: the out of body state I found myself in like
Speaker 1: ancient Egypt. It's very I talked about it on the
Speaker 1: three part Monroe series and it very clearly came through
Speaker 1: to me that Monroe the Institute as it is today
Speaker 1: is a genuine emergence of a tradition that has been
Speaker 1: happening for thousands of years, which is, you know, you
Speaker 1: have things like the Templar Knights, you have things like
Speaker 1: all these other traditions, the Rosicrucians, the x y z,
Speaker 1: all of these different mystery traditions have been secretly holding
Speaker 1: the knowledge that we can go out of body. You know,
Speaker 1: you see it in movies, you see it in all
Speaker 1: kinds of popular representations of this stuff, and it's like
Speaker 1: this secret I feel like that's that's been around for
Speaker 1: so long, and it just kind of came through to
Speaker 1: me very clearly that like the Monroe Institute is like
Speaker 1: I don't say this lightly, but like a new age
Speaker 1: offshoot of that in a very real and genuine scientific
Speaker 1: without the dogma shedding the things we don't need, you know,
Speaker 1: all of the ritual and the religious observation, and it's
Speaker 1: just taking the truth of what we are. You know,
Speaker 1: you're more than a physical body. You can explore this,
Speaker 1: you can go out of your body, you can find
Speaker 1: out for yourself. You know, they've been doing it for
Speaker 1: thousands of years, but have a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: little things that maybe I don't need that maybe I
Speaker 1: don't need to fast for forty days under the tree,
Speaker 1: or maybe I don't need to give up all my possessions,
Speaker 1: you know. So it came through to me that like
Speaker 1: Monroe is a very very special place and that there
Speaker 1: were like just so many amazing forces at play to
Speaker 1: bring it into the world. And throughout the week I'm
Speaker 1: having all these things come to me and I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: this really is a good opportunity to commit myself to
Speaker 1: this institute in a very serious way. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: that was a long winded set up for the question.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to know in your time walking this path,
Speaker 1: like what have you explored?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: What have you determined? Your understanding of things are? Why
Speaker 1: can we manifest things? Why can we go out of body?
Speaker 4: Why?
Speaker 1: How is it possible? From Allen's perspective, that's a big question. Well,
Speaker 1: like I would tell you, you know, I'm a spiritual being.
Speaker 1: There's some sort of high. It's not a tuck question
Speaker 1: like I just you know, how did you come to
Speaker 1: know this? Why did you come to know this?
Speaker 3: Like, well, I would say through experience boom, Yeah, and
Speaker 3: that's that's what Monroe offers, you know, a pathway to
Speaker 3: do that. Yeah, And I mean just having the experience
Speaker 3: of connecting with what I call total self or Bob
Speaker 3: called total self, I'll a lot of times say higher self.
Speaker 3: And then the connecting with guides and guidance. That's that's
Speaker 3: when I just knew something was happening here. And now
Speaker 3: I can even have a conversation with my body.
Speaker 1: Really, what do you mean?
Speaker 3: So well, let me start at the beginning. So about
Speaker 3: fifteen years ago, I'm listening to hay House Radio and
Speaker 3: that was how it first came out. What the podcast?
Speaker 1: Oh cool? It was.
Speaker 3: It was a radio show whoa that was because that
Speaker 3: was before podcast and there was a hostess name or
Speaker 3: a host named venus ANDRAK and she was a psychic,
Speaker 3: and so I just listened to her show while I'd
Speaker 3: be working on my computer. And so one day she goes, now,
Speaker 3: the next time you go meditate, ask your body what
Speaker 3: it needs from you. And I was like, oh, okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: So I was like, okay, I'll do that. So the
Speaker 3: next time I meditated, I got to the point where
Speaker 3: I felt like I was deep enough, and so I
Speaker 3: in my head, in my you know, in my mind,
Speaker 3: I don't ask out loud. I say, body, what do
Speaker 3: you need today? And I'm expecting lettuce fruit. I was
Speaker 3: always on a diet, and my body says butterfinger.
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: And I was like what? And then I was like,
Speaker 3: I prefer snickers. I don't even It's like my body's
Speaker 3: not matching my personal taste. But then I decided, and
Speaker 3: I had to talk myself into it. I did go
Speaker 3: get a butterfinger oh, because if the you know, like
Speaker 3: I asked, and if you tell me and then I'm
Speaker 3: not going to help you get what you want. But
Speaker 3: interestingly enough, I haven't been asked to supply something like
Speaker 3: that again. It's been orange juice, turmeric, you know, things
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: So it was just that one time.
Speaker 3: And the turmeric. It was an interesting one because I
Speaker 3: didn't know the word. You know, now it's talked about more.
Speaker 3: But I had inflammation and so I was asking what
Speaker 3: I needed and I heard tumeric. I'm like turmeric, and
Speaker 3: I'm trying to sound it out and so I can
Speaker 3: bring it back with me in the minute I get
Speaker 3: out of the meditation. I'm trying to, you know, write
Speaker 3: it down. And I look it up and I was like, oh, okay.
Speaker 4: It's a powerful you didn't even know. No, You're like,
Speaker 4: what is that body? That's amazing.
Speaker 3: So you can do that. Yeah, But if you're gonna
Speaker 3: do if you're gonna be serious about it, I would
Speaker 3: try to honor what you're asked. Sometimes when I'm asking,
Speaker 3: the orange juice SEMs to be the most common, I'm like, oh, man,
Speaker 3: I don't have any orange juice, and I don't have
Speaker 3: time to go to food Lion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, shout food Lion. We love a food line.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: Anyway, So you just do what you can to honor
Speaker 3: honor the request that you hear that's amazing.
Speaker 4: So it sounds like then you are Ryan is much
Speaker 4: more of a like why I need the information. I
Speaker 4: need the why why is it happening?
Speaker 1: I need the results?
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, I need the results. I need the data.
Speaker 4: I need an explanation why, whereas you are more like
Speaker 4: I have the experience.
Speaker 1: I have what I have, and it is what it is.
Speaker 4: It is what it is. I have what I have.
Speaker 1: It's just different.
Speaker 3: I think it's different for everyone's.
Speaker 1: Every mind is different, you know, like just to elaborate
Speaker 1: on that when my dad, my grandparents have told me
Speaker 1: this my whole life grown up, and my dad's told
Speaker 1: me this, like it's everybody knows this about him, that
Speaker 1: that he wanted me to tell you hello, by.
Speaker 3: The way, and Emily your dad, and Emily, hello, I will,
Speaker 3: I will.
Speaker 1: But I've always just known this about my dad that
Speaker 1: when he was in diapers, my grandma would come in
Speaker 1: the room and you know, the washing machine has been
Speaker 1: taken apart. He was three, he would get his hands
Speaker 1: on a screwdriver. He has this mechanical mind. He would
Speaker 1: just take everything. When he was so young, he didn't
Speaker 1: know how to put it back together.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: He would take his bicycle apart, he would take the
Speaker 1: washing machine apart, or the radio, and it was a problem.
Speaker 1: They had to hide things from him. By the time
Speaker 1: he was like nine or ten, everybody on the street
Speaker 1: would come pay him cash and he would put the
Speaker 1: radio in their car. By the time he was thirteen,
Speaker 1: he built his first house. By the time he was
Speaker 1: my age, he's building airplanes and motorcycles. He has this
Speaker 1: mechanical mind that's I feel the same way, but only
Speaker 1: about spiritual things. I feel like I have to learn
Speaker 1: everything I can learn. There's no way you can possibly
Speaker 1: understand it all. That's the curse of, you know, studying
Speaker 1: these things. It's so abstract and ineffable, but I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it is. It's almost bottomless or infinite really, you know.
Speaker 1: But that's kind of how my mind works, is I
Speaker 1: feel like. And that's why Monroe's so good for me,
Speaker 1: because it gives me tools that I wasn't finding in
Speaker 1: other places. You know that work, They actually work, and
Speaker 1: they're based in ancient practices. But you don't need all
Speaker 1: the fluff. Just look, this actually works because you're more
Speaker 1: than your physical body, right, you know, so I have
Speaker 1: a lot to learn and I'm loving every bit of it.
Speaker 3: You know, really, we all have a lot to learn.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, that's part of the fun of life.
Speaker 4: If we run out of things to learn, what's the point,
Speaker 4: you know, It's true, and I love that there's a
Speaker 4: little something for everybody in Monroe. Everybody works a little
Speaker 4: bit differently, but that you know, I'm I'm much more
Speaker 4: of the it is what it is kind of person
Speaker 4: too like. But I mean, I think just as many
Speaker 4: people are more like, why is this happening? I need
Speaker 4: to know the specifics and the data and the you know.
Speaker 4: And it's not that it's like that is one is
Speaker 4: correct and the other is incorrect. It's two different paths
Speaker 4: to the same results, right style. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, So,
Speaker 4: I mean, is there's a little something for everybody?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: Another thing, so many people have the idea that it's
Speaker 3: about being visual, Like when you're in your meditation experience,
Speaker 3: I'm not seeing anything and guess what you might not
Speaker 3: you know, you might not be one of those people.
Speaker 3: And I'm not really one of those people. I mean,
Speaker 3: I have had a little bit of that in out
Speaker 3: of body experiences, but in meditations it's like completely blessed
Speaker 3: same and I'll just have to I'll go, Okay, where
Speaker 3: are we? I can't see anything, you know, so everybody
Speaker 3: everyone's so different.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's very rare that I see things in
Speaker 4: my mind, very very So you.
Speaker 3: Have to use your imagination. And that's the other thing
Speaker 3: people think if I use my imagination, I'm making it up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm guilty of having I used to think.
Speaker 3: That, Okay, And so if you use your imagination, it's
Speaker 3: really a good way to start the process. It's a way.
Speaker 3: It's an initiation, and a lot of times you'll find
Speaker 3: it takes on a life of its own. You're no
Speaker 3: longer in control, in control of it.
Speaker 4: It's like a jumpstart.
Speaker 3: I used to do this thing where I would go
Speaker 3: to this space and I had a healing center. I
Speaker 3: still do the healing center, but this was I was
Speaker 3: reading this in my journals recently. And I had a
Speaker 3: healer named Rob. I don't know why his name was Rob.
Speaker 3: And then I had a career closet. I called it
Speaker 3: because I was always trying to figure out what I
Speaker 3: was supposed to do with my life. And I had
Speaker 3: a book like a library that I could just go
Speaker 3: pick a book to get answers and uh huh yeah.
Speaker 3: And then I had a room that had a bean
Speaker 3: bag and a TV screen, so I would just start
Speaker 3: it every the way it started it. I would go hey, Rob,
Speaker 3: you know, and go in and have a healing session
Speaker 3: that I kind of directed, and then it would just
Speaker 3: start doing its own thing. And one time, and I
Speaker 3: wrote this in the book, I was going in to
Speaker 3: say Rob, and I said Hi, Mike, who's Mike, you know,
Speaker 3: And so that it immediately started taking on a.
Speaker 4: Life time whoa without a while into you.
Speaker 3: It was just like right when I had started in,
Speaker 3: and it was like, instead of saying Rob, I said Mike.
Speaker 3: And so I had a conversation with this guy named Mike.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Well, yeah, I get where you're coming from too,
Speaker 1: because you're like, wait, why would that just like automatically
Speaker 1: come out of me when I've been, you know, thinking
Speaker 1: of this this Rob figure. It's it's almost like it
Speaker 1: just kind of took a life of its own. It
Speaker 1: just happened.
Speaker 3: And you know Prime in the pump.
Speaker 4: You know, yes, exactly exactly Prime in the pump.
Speaker 3: But like Focus fifteen is one of the levels we
Speaker 3: talk about and that's there is no time, and that
Speaker 3: is a space of initiation. So if typically if there's
Speaker 3: going to be an experience, there needs to be an
Speaker 3: initiation which would be started by imagination, or you can
Speaker 3: have the opposite, which is the void in that same space,
Speaker 3: which is very still, and you you experienced fifteen very still,
Speaker 3: very quiet.
Speaker 1: They did too increases.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah one time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one exercise.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, I think that was one of the
Speaker 4: only times I actually really did see something very vivid.
Speaker 4: Was was when we did that? I don't I don't
Speaker 4: remember if it was that practice or if it was
Speaker 4: did we do that on our last day?
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 3: More than more than likely, because you would have done
Speaker 3: ten and twelve first, and then I'm.
Speaker 4: Pretty sure that was the one. I need to look
Speaker 4: at my journal again, but I'm pretty sure that was
Speaker 4: the one.
Speaker 1: I think it was.
Speaker 4: See. I rarely like I wonder if I have this
Speaker 4: thing called affantasia where you don't see anything when you
Speaker 4: close your eyes or when you imagine stuff, you just
Speaker 4: it's just nothing. But every now and then I can't.
Speaker 3: And then you do. You don't have a condition, right.
Speaker 4: Right, right, right exactly, It's like every now and then
Speaker 4: something will will peak through and I see something. Same
Speaker 4: with my dreams. Usually don't dream every now and then.
Speaker 3: On you do dream, you just don't remember it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably something like that. Yeah, but every now
Speaker 4: and then I will. And then most of our things
Speaker 4: in Creation Station, it was like I'd have more feelings
Speaker 4: thoughts than any ideas. Yeah ideas.
Speaker 3: You know, it's interesting. I forgot where I was going
Speaker 3: with that because you said something that I was gonna
Speaker 3: latch onto.
Speaker 4: It's my not seeing things in my in my mind
Speaker 4: and then not seeing things when I dream.
Speaker 3: So okay, I got it. So one of the things
Speaker 3: about using your other senses besides being visual, and I
Speaker 3: was really frustrated. I wanted to be visual because that's
Speaker 3: you know, that's where people are seeing the movies, you know,
Speaker 3: and they can explain it all to you. And then
Speaker 3: it dawned on me one time that I was the
Speaker 3: way I was perceiving or receiving information. I didn't have
Speaker 3: to interpret as much, because if it's just a visual
Speaker 3: movie in front of you, or like a symbol coming
Speaker 3: at you, you have to interpret it. If you're here
Speaker 3: in a sentence, you got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so
Speaker 3: I have learned that for me, it's better not to
Speaker 3: be visual, right. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's just like straight to the core of
Speaker 1: the message.
Speaker 4: Yep, it's different for everybody. It's different for everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's a that's a good way to look at it.
Speaker 4: That's a positive outlook because sometimes it's frustrating.
Speaker 3: Oh I know, hey, I've been there. We call it, well,
Speaker 3: we call it focus envy, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we learn all the insider legal.
Speaker 3: I mean, my Gateway was not exceptional. I mean I
Speaker 3: knew something good was going on. I knew I needed
Speaker 3: to come back, you know, I had that very deep knowing,
Speaker 3: but there wasn't a whole bunch of you know, there
Speaker 3: was nothing spectacular that happened.
Speaker 4: And this was your very first experience going there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you just so it's you know, like people think, Okay,
Speaker 3: if I go there, I'm gonna go out of body.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not, but that's not really what's happening there. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's just that's an experience you could have or possibly have.
Speaker 3: But even in Gateway, there's only one meditation or exercise
Speaker 3: that that's focused on the out of body experience. That's
Speaker 3: not the purpose of that program.
Speaker 1: Man and it's just like an intro, just like teaching
Speaker 1: you the tools. And then yeah, I mean that's a
Speaker 1: great way to So then what about like Obe, would
Speaker 1: that be.
Speaker 3: That that is the intention? Okay, but what happens to
Speaker 3: people they come to the program and almost everyone you
Speaker 3: interview because I've taught I was a trainer for OBE Spectrum,
Speaker 3: they would say, I want to have the classic experience,
Speaker 3: and the classic experience is vibrating and knowing that you're
Speaker 3: coming out of your body, then going to the ceiling
Speaker 3: looking down seeing yourself maybe there's a silver cord. Most
Speaker 3: people don't do that. Yeah, so it becomes more about
Speaker 3: what I call projected consciousness. So you know you're in
Speaker 3: your check unit, but you also know and some people
Speaker 3: might call that by location. But by the end of
Speaker 3: the week, people don't care if they've had a classical
Speaker 3: experience because it's about the outcome. How you got there,
Speaker 3: you learn is just not that important.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, huh yeah, And that's true in my experience,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I'm like positive I went out of body,
Speaker 1: but it was it was nothing like you know, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, look there I am. It wasn't like that.
Speaker 1: It was just like one minute, I'm there, and then
Speaker 1: one minute I'm in ancient Egypt. So yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: one minute I'm you know, in my body, in one
Speaker 1: minute I'm not. And it's like maybe I'm in ancient Egypt,
Speaker 1: or maybe I'm downstairs in my living room. Actually you
Speaker 1: might find this interesting. At Gateway last year, I swear
Speaker 1: it was like the second to last night, I think,
Speaker 1: and I was laying in my bed in the check unit,
Speaker 1: and I was at such an elevated state, which I'm
Speaker 1: sure you know what that means. Maybe them listening at home,
Speaker 1: they're like, what do you mean by that? But you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They know what I mean. You know,
Speaker 1: doing the program is just over time, after you're having
Speaker 1: experience after experience after experience, you get to the state
Speaker 1: where you're just sort of like expanded. I don't really
Speaker 1: know how to explain it more, but I was there
Speaker 1: and I was laying in bed and I'm like close
Speaker 1: my eyes, you know, and it's like next thing.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: It's like if you imagine an old radio when you
Speaker 1: like turn the knob in their static. You know, it
Speaker 1: was kind of like that a little bit like the
Speaker 1: transmission of this where I am right now got a
Speaker 1: little fuzzy for a moment, and then I swear to
Speaker 1: you it was like I was standing in line in
Speaker 1: the cafeteria in the morning getting a cup of coffee
Speaker 1: with the you know how the cafeteria is where you
Speaker 1: have the trays and you go and you get you
Speaker 1: know this, you know, maybe get the eggs, maybe get
Speaker 1: the sausage, whatever. And I'm like standing there trying to
Speaker 1: get coffee and I was like, wait a minute, I'm
Speaker 1: laying in bed. And then it was like I'm back
Speaker 1: in bed, right, you know. It was so weird. The
Speaker 1: next morning, I got up early and I I don't
Speaker 1: remember why did I think? I was just in so
Speaker 1: much of a like a peaceful state from the week
Speaker 1: that I was like, I want to go sit and
Speaker 1: drink a cup of coffee by the crystal, you know.
Speaker 1: And I grabbed one of those blue lawn chairs that's
Speaker 1: you know, kind of near the crystal, and I actually
Speaker 1: dragged it over to the crystal and I sat there
Speaker 1: in silence, and I was drinking my cup of coffee,
Speaker 1: and I put my hand on the crystal and the
Speaker 1: same thing is like the knob the static, and it
Speaker 1: was like I started to get really fuzzy, like, oh
Speaker 1: my god. It's like I was going somewhere else and
Speaker 1: I was like, I gotta get up, I gotta walk around.
Speaker 1: I can't do like I have programs and.
Speaker 3: Do it right.
Speaker 1: It was just so weird. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've heard stories of that or if that's common, but
Speaker 1: it was weird.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I've heard. I've heard lots of stories. Sound
Speaker 3: I haven't experienced that to know where I was awake.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's a million things that people experience
Speaker 1: that are different from everyone that that are really kind
Speaker 1: of hard to pinpoint, you know, but interesting. So what's
Speaker 1: like your most profound Monroe experience.
Speaker 3: Hmm. So I would say happened at Heartline, which is
Speaker 3: a program I'm working on the heart But that's not
Speaker 3: what happened. That wasn't what I'm going to talk about.
Speaker 3: I was in my check unit and drop in just
Speaker 3: almost immediately to knowing I'm in a you know, in
Speaker 3: that place, and I hear led Zeppelin and I'm like,
Speaker 3: and then Bob's talking, and I'm like, oh man, Bob,
Speaker 3: use letting, you know, use led Zeppelin as the background music.
Speaker 3: And so I like crack it up, crank it up,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden the check unit, the
Speaker 3: bottom of the check unit falls out. Well before that,
Speaker 3: I get it. It kind of the two like sides
Speaker 3: come up and create a box and I'm lying. I'm
Speaker 3: lying in the box. And then the bottom of the
Speaker 3: check unit drops out, and I go on to this
Speaker 3: like roller coaster thing that's like a like a coal mine.
Speaker 4: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: And I'm having this experience and I'm thinking. There was
Speaker 3: a guy named Dirk there who had been had taken
Speaker 3: this particular program eight times. Wow, And he kept telling
Speaker 3: me just wait, just wait. The next exercise is like so,
Speaker 3: I'm thinking, Dirk, I mean, I'm having fun. Dirk didn't
Speaker 3: tell me about this? And I'm thinking, oh no, what
Speaker 3: about the people that are claustrophobic because it puts you
Speaker 3: in a box. And then I'm going and I'm going, Dirk,
Speaker 3: why didn't Dirk tell me? What about the people that
Speaker 3: are claustrophobed? You know, this is going on as I'm
Speaker 3: riding on this thing, and I'm like, I didn't know
Speaker 3: they had all these tunnels under here, like wow, no
Speaker 3: one told me. And then the exercise ended. I opened
Speaker 3: my eyes and I had been in my check unit along,
Speaker 3: but it was like real, it was so real. Wow,
Speaker 3: I really thought it had happened.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow, it was fun too. Yeah, for heartline, and
Speaker 3: usually you're working on your heart, so a lot of
Speaker 3: times there's a lot of healing that takes place. And
Speaker 3: for me it was a joy ride. I was on
Speaker 3: magic carpets, I was jamming led Zeppelin.
Speaker 1: That's amazing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So it's different for everybody, you know. It just
Speaker 3: spends on where you are in your own journey. And
Speaker 3: each program has an agenda, but we individuals come in
Speaker 3: with our own agenda and that can take you over.
Speaker 4: Like a conscious agenda or like maybe a subconscious.
Speaker 3: It could be subconscious conscious, it could be an agenda
Speaker 3: that your guides have to try to get you back
Speaker 3: on track.
Speaker 1: You know, let's talk about guides, okay. And that's something
Speaker 1: that is it's very fascinating to me and I have
Speaker 1: no experience with that.
Speaker 3: You know. That's the why you're going to guidelines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, yeah, that is because I had to choose
Speaker 1: a program, you know, and it was like, I think
Speaker 1: it was between that and MC squared, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, MC squared is really cool and I do
Speaker 1: want to do it someday And I was like, that's
Speaker 1: really cool, but I really feel like I could use
Speaker 1: more direction, you know. So I ultimately chose that one,
Speaker 1: and I think the timing of it worked out. But
Speaker 1: let's let's let's let's explore like guides, why why? We
Speaker 1: don't have to say why, but like what is a guide?
Speaker 3: So it is hard to find because we don't really
Speaker 3: know the answer, right. But for me, it's just something
Speaker 3: that it's either a wiser part of myself or maybe
Speaker 3: it's deceased loved ones that are helping me. I have
Speaker 3: a communicated with a mother from a German life that
Speaker 3: keeps checking in on me, checking. Yeah, She'll she'll want
Speaker 3: to see me, and I'm like, I don't really know you.
Speaker 3: I don't have I don't have the same emotional reaction
Speaker 3: that she has. But so I don't know the source
Speaker 3: of it. But I know I've had like I had
Speaker 3: a guide and she identified herself as a group, but
Speaker 3: I identified her as an seeing thing and I would
Speaker 3: get information and then she would One time she said
Speaker 3: I have to leave it, and I had become she
Speaker 3: was my friend, you know, so I was very upset
Speaker 3: that she was going to leave me, and she did leave,
Speaker 3: but she said, are the group the group that she
Speaker 3: said that they needed to leave because I was now
Speaker 3: at a different stage of development and I needed other guidance,
Speaker 3: And so my and I wrote this in my journal.
Speaker 3: I asked, so, is it going to be the same,
Speaker 3: you know, will it be similar? Well, because I really
Speaker 3: had a friendship with this oh wow, And she did
Speaker 3: tell me, yes, it would be, but it would be
Speaker 3: also different. And it's to me, it's very different because
Speaker 3: I don't have the same type bond. Yeah, water style.
Speaker 4: So is it usually one guide at a time.
Speaker 3: Or say that? I can't answer that, you know, because
Speaker 3: I know I've talked to people who have who would say,
Speaker 3: like it's a day and then individuals and maybe it's
Speaker 3: there a deceased grandmother. But it's hard to answer, just
Speaker 3: like I kept calling this person a name that it
Speaker 3: was a group, yeah yeah, and then the total self communication,
Speaker 3: you know, that can be interesting too, So.
Speaker 4: And I'm sorry, that's like a like a higher version
Speaker 4: of yourself.
Speaker 3: Right, higher self. Bob called it total self. That's why
Speaker 3: I tend to say that, but higher self, Yeah.
Speaker 4: That's fascinating as well. You're essentially is it like sort
Speaker 4: of like the idealized version of your spirit or so.
Speaker 3: One way to look at it would be you are
Speaker 3: let's say, your higher self is in the crow's nest,
Speaker 3: and you are the captain of your ship. So there's
Speaker 3: little little self and big self and so the higher
Speaker 3: self is seeing a much broader perspective and the lower
Speaker 3: self is the one driving the boat that's getting information
Speaker 3: with our five senses, hopefully getting some sixth sense information
Speaker 3: because they're doing things like dream analysis and or just
Speaker 3: paying attention and being aware. And so that's how I
Speaker 3: would define it. So it is it is you, and
Speaker 3: I would say it's the self that's connected to your soul.
Speaker 4: Wow, I really like that analogy.
Speaker 1: You find out by the end of Robert Monroe's third book,
Speaker 1: So like in the second book, he you know, he
Speaker 1: went out of body thousands of times like wow, you know,
Speaker 1: and they studied his brain and it's a whole amazing
Speaker 1: thing that you know, the formation of the Institute and
Speaker 1: the early explorers and all this amazing stuff. And he
Speaker 1: would regularly communicate with these guys, guys that weren't humans.
Speaker 1: They were like energy beings called AA and BB. Right
Speaker 1: by the end of the third book you find out
Speaker 1: that and BB were Robert Monroe. But it was like
Speaker 1: from his higher self, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: all along he realized after you know, twenty years of
Speaker 1: doing this or thirty, I mean really from the fifties
Speaker 1: to like the nineties, you know, it was forty years
Speaker 1: he had been doing this by the time the third
Speaker 1: book was published, and because I think it was published
Speaker 1: in the nineties if I remember correctly, And he realized
Speaker 1: after forty years that these entities that he had been
Speaker 1: communicating with were him, Yes, aspects of him, Wow, from
Speaker 1: some greater level of understanding than he could perceive, you know.
Speaker 1: And they didn't even reveal it was him until he
Speaker 1: was ready for it to be revealed. There parts of him.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: So it's just that's a head scratcher, Like it was
Speaker 1: kind of a mind blowing reveal. You know, it was
Speaker 1: very fascinating to me, you know, so big time.
Speaker 4: That's you kind of have to It's so abstract at times,
Speaker 4: it's like you really, at least party, you just have
Speaker 4: to let go. You just have to and just like
Speaker 4: this material brain maybe can't fully wrap around what's happening,
Speaker 4: and that's okay. As long as I'm having the experience
Speaker 4: and it's positive, that's all that matters.
Speaker 3: And it might not be positive because you're working through things.
Speaker 3: I Bob and his first book was running around screaming
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 1: Pincher people. Really yeah, was out of body?
Speaker 4: Well yeah, I mean it's shocking. It's got to be
Speaker 4: so shocking, especially because it just started happening to him,
Speaker 4: right he wasn't seeking it well.
Speaker 3: And a lot of times, like I had written about
Speaker 3: a dream Ob I had, and I realized after I
Speaker 3: was out of what I would call out a body,
Speaker 3: that there were these two men who knew you were
Speaker 3: up to no good in the room. Well, of course
Speaker 3: they weren't there, and I knew. I just I don't
Speaker 3: know why. I've never been afraid of it, but I
Speaker 3: just knew that it was representing something for me that
Speaker 3: needed to be a shadow or something that I needed
Speaker 3: to personally pay attention to a work through, and so
Speaker 3: I just kicked them and left.
Speaker 1: That's how I feel about nightmares, that it's it's some
Speaker 1: shadow part of me that trying to tell me something,
Speaker 1: you know, and it's not necessarily a lot of people
Speaker 1: think of it, like you said earlier, like an omen
Speaker 1: or a superstition, and like, well, no, maybe it's more
Speaker 1: like a mess.
Speaker 3: She working things out. Yeah, And I love it when
Speaker 3: I have a nightmare and I become aware and I
Speaker 3: can like just turn the whole situation upside down, like
Speaker 3: that wolf that's coming after me and about to you know,
Speaker 3: attack me. I can you know, take charge and yeah,
Speaker 3: turn it into a bunny. Yeah, or kick it or
Speaker 3: you had to kick stuff.
Speaker 4: Getting a theme here. You're kicking all sorts of entity, right.
Speaker 3: But if you can, if you really can look at
Speaker 3: it like that. And Luigi Scamarella is one of our
Speaker 3: trainers from the UK. He's a loocid dreaming expert and
Speaker 3: one of the things he looks at or talks about
Speaker 3: with dreams is so like when you dream about people
Speaker 3: in your dreams and let's say you know them or
Speaker 3: you don't know them. Typically, about eighty five percent that
Speaker 3: was a figure that was given from a researcher, About
Speaker 3: eighty five percent of those characters are parts of yourself
Speaker 3: interesting that you are needing to, you know, work through,
Speaker 3: do something with address. Maybe it was something that happened
Speaker 3: during the day, and you'll start and I have a
Speaker 3: parade of people that are regular characters, and I've you know,
Speaker 3: I've interpreted and identified what they mean. So then they
Speaker 3: pop up in my dream. I have an easier way
Speaker 3: to deal with that. Lucid dreaming is still dealing with
Speaker 3: as of yourself. The obee is when you step out
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so even when you when it's somebody in your
Speaker 1: dream that you know in real life, it's still an
Speaker 1: aspect of you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what Martin Kelsey is the person that I
Speaker 3: followed and read about, and that was his theory about it,
Speaker 3: and it made sense to me, and I used it,
Speaker 3: and so I believe it because I've had the experience
Speaker 3: of working with my dreams.
Speaker 1: So the same in my opinion, the same could be
Speaker 1: said about why we are psychic or why we are
Speaker 1: immortal beings of energy, you know, because it's almost like
Speaker 1: where you know, if you're if the character in your
Speaker 1: dream is an aspect of you, then certainly we must
Speaker 1: be an aspect of that source consciousness. That's kind of
Speaker 1: like projecting us into existence, you know. It's kind of
Speaker 1: the same thing in a sense, you know, which I
Speaker 1: don't know. It's another head scratch.
Speaker 4: Yea, it is.
Speaker 3: We don't know. We just don't know all the answers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. But you know that's that's something I
Speaker 1: like to think about. You know, there has to be
Speaker 1: some reason, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Like what the nightmare thing your brain, your mind, rather
Speaker 4: not just your brain, but your mind. Your mind wouldn't
Speaker 4: just like want to scare you for no reason. It
Speaker 4: wouldn't want to just ah, I'm going to scare you
Speaker 4: and freaking out. It's like, you know, it's it knows
Speaker 4: what it's doing. There's a mind body relationship. It doesn't
Speaker 4: want to just like sabotage. So it's everything means something
Speaker 4: I don't know in my opinion.
Speaker 3: Well, and with dreams, lucid dreams, out of body experiences,
Speaker 3: you also can you just need to remind yourself. Dreams
Speaker 3: are tricky though, because you're not consciously aware typically when
Speaker 3: that nightmare is happening. But with the lucid dreaming and
Speaker 3: the obe you are, so you just remind yourself, Hey,
Speaker 3: nothing can happen to me. They can't. That person that
Speaker 3: I'm seeing is scared. You can't do anything to me. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And then that's why it's nice if you can turn
Speaker 3: your dreams into you know, turn them around.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm not really usually in that situation. One more
Speaker 1: thing that's sticking out to me that that I think
Speaker 1: is kind of another important ask is like, since you've
Speaker 1: gone down your journey with Monroe, how has your daily
Speaker 1: life changed? Have you found that you know the techniques
Speaker 1: that you've and I already kind of know the answer,
Speaker 1: but it's for them, right. Have you found that, like,
Speaker 1: the techniques that you've learned have helped you manage trivial
Speaker 1: things such as stress, anxiety, things like that. You know,
Speaker 1: how has it changed your normal daily life?
Speaker 3: First I was going to say, because I took the question,
Speaker 3: is now that I'm in this job, It's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's changed my life a lot.
Speaker 1: That would be fun.
Speaker 3: It's a big job. But no, that's true. So I
Speaker 3: had two situations that happened after I'd been doing a
Speaker 3: meditation Duram practice for a while, and I wrote about
Speaker 3: them in the book that made me realize that a
Speaker 3: big shift had occurred for me. And one of them
Speaker 3: was I was having surgery. And these happened within months
Speaker 3: of each other, and I was having surgery, and they
Speaker 3: brought me in to the room where the surgery was
Speaker 3: going to take place, sat me down where I'm looking
Speaker 3: at the table. I'm looking at all of the you know,
Speaker 3: equipment that they're going to views on me. And the
Speaker 3: nurse starts taking my pulse and she, you know, she
Speaker 3: keeps hanging down there a little bit, and then she goes,
Speaker 3: you are the calmest person that I have ever taken
Speaker 3: a pulse before surgery. Wow, And I had been. I
Speaker 3: used him a sound technology support, that operation thing, a
Speaker 3: surgery thing to prepare for the surgery.
Speaker 1: Interesting.
Speaker 3: But I also know because of what the next exact
Speaker 3: sample I'm going to tell you that it was all
Speaker 3: it was just throughout me like it was. It was
Speaker 3: a part of me now. And the other was I
Speaker 3: live in Oklahoma, and Oklahoma has a lot of tornadoes.
Speaker 3: Right in this particular day, thirty tornadoes touched down in
Speaker 3: the state of Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: And I knew about it because it was on the news,
Speaker 3: and so I prepared the little interior room. You're supposed
Speaker 3: to go into a room that does not have an
Speaker 3: outside wall, So we had one. It was a half bath,
Speaker 3: and I had three dogs and my daughter and would
Speaker 3: grab the you know, supposed to always have pillows, and
Speaker 3: so I had the pillows and the radio so I could,
Speaker 3: you know, if the electricity went out, so that we
Speaker 3: had a siren and the person would I mean the
Speaker 3: voice would come over it. And the voice said take over. Immediately,
Speaker 3: it was like, okay, so I calmly, get you know,
Speaker 3: everybody in the room and we're sitting there listening, and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, the broadcaster on the radio says,
Speaker 3: the tornado is over Iba Drive and Loper Street, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, that's that's me. It's right, it's right above
Speaker 3: my head. And I was so calm, and I was
Speaker 3: just like, well, I'm either I mean, it's either going
Speaker 3: touchdown or it's going to keep going right right, that's
Speaker 3: perfect for that. So but again it was just like,
Speaker 3: you know, a totally different thing. Now years later, I
Speaker 3: have now an r ring and it helps measure stress.
Speaker 3: You know, there are a lot of smart devices I have.
Speaker 3: So it's interesting to me look at my stress levels
Speaker 3: now because I'll be like, things will be happening that
Speaker 3: are very stressful that I'm having to manage, and I'll
Speaker 3: look at the end of the day at my stress levels,
Speaker 3: and it's like thirty minutes maybe in the whole day,
Speaker 3: you know. And yeah, and I joke about it, if
Speaker 3: I had if I'd gotten this position ten years ago,
Speaker 3: twenty years ago, I would probably be in a fetal position.
Speaker 3: Not just because it's such a big job. Yeah, well
Speaker 3: you're managing a hotel. Yeah, and you're managing an international operation.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's a it's a lot research through
Speaker 3: your doors. Yeah. Technology.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing, it's impressive. You were impressive. You are amazing.
Speaker 3: Thanks.
Speaker 1: You know, just what an honor that you're here with
Speaker 1: us doing this.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Thank you so much, thank you.
Speaker 3: I've enjoyed it. I'm glad I got to touch sand today.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I regretted not taking a selfie by the water. We'll
Speaker 1: have to get one in here for sure, you know.
Speaker 1: But I really do regret that there was a service
Speaker 1: truck in front of us and she didn't have the
Speaker 1: proper shoes to step down in the sand. And we're
Speaker 1: walking away and I was like, oh, I got a
Speaker 1: nice right.
Speaker 3: That was I have a beach girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you got a free place to stay anytime.
Speaker 3: I'll take you up on that, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: And I will be your way and Fober Virginia soon,
Speaker 1: and just thank you for coming and doing this. This
Speaker 1: is amazing. The Monrosa has changed my life. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean for sure, I think a lot of people can
Speaker 1: say the same thing million you know, And after going
Speaker 1: there myself and experiencing it for myself, at least as
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, I have dedicated my path going
Speaker 1: forward to make sure that one way or another, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm somehow doing something with Monroe. Whether it's programs, whether
Speaker 1: it's becoming a trainer, I don't know. I just I
Speaker 1: just know that it's a good thing for me, and
Speaker 1: therefore it has to be a good thing for others too,
Speaker 1: you know. So talk about it to as many people
Speaker 1: as I can. And very cool that you could have
Speaker 1: this conversation with us, and hopefully it impacts people out there,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: So I'm sure it will.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Also I have to say that I thought it would
Speaker 1: be really cool for the people out there in the
Speaker 1: world to see what an amazing person the CEO of
Speaker 1: the Monroe is. The two days, So thank you, thank you,
Speaker 1: And if there's any one more thing that you could
Speaker 1: I like to ask the question, like if there was
Speaker 1: something you wanted to get off your chest. If you're
Speaker 1: like imagining, there's actually you know a large number of
Speaker 1: people that you feel like you can make an impact
Speaker 1: on them with a message. What's that thing that you
Speaker 1: feel It could be about Monroe, it could be about anything.
Speaker 1: Just what's something that you feel like? Man, I wish
Speaker 1: people would take me seriously about that. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean?
Speaker 3: I said this to you earlier today, Start saying yes,
Speaker 3: you did say that and yep, start saying yes. And
Speaker 3: you can always say no. And I like to say
Speaker 3: I'll try anything once, but say yes even if it
Speaker 3: scares you. Yeah, and it's going to take you a
Speaker 3: lot more places.
Speaker 4: It's powerful, it is. That's something that I want to
Speaker 4: do a lot more of. I like that I'll try
Speaker 4: anything once and sometimes. Yeah, doing that is it'll you'll
Speaker 4: discover something about yourself you didn't know. Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4: That's powerful.
Speaker 3: Another one would be pay attention to the things that
Speaker 3: scare you because that probably means you need to get
Speaker 3: over them because it's important. It's important for your future
Speaker 3: or your you know what you're going to be doing next.
Speaker 1: That's very powerful, Like for me particularly right now, you
Speaker 1: know just it resonates with me, and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: if it's scared, you kick them.
Speaker 3: Well, mine was public speaking, just really scared. Yes, And
Speaker 3: I joined test Masters, which is a nonprofit organization that
Speaker 3: helps you learn how to improve and get over fears.
Speaker 4: Wow, you never know it, You never know that you were.
Speaker 3: And then I talked of communication and public speaking on
Speaker 3: the university level. So I made myself get over it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I just I said, yes, I just kept doing it.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Well, thank you for coming and doing this, And
Speaker 1: I said, yes, yes, yes you did. I was very
Speaker 1: I'm honest, I was very shocked because not that you know,
Speaker 1: for any negative reason. I just thought you'd be too
Speaker 1: busy to drive out here, if you remember. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'll come out to you. Yeah, you know. So when
Speaker 1: when I found out you were coming here, I was like, guys, guys,
Speaker 1: we got a big one. You guys are gonna love her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you for doing this from other things too, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it works for me. So just I can't
Speaker 1: thank you enough. So I'm going to stop. And we
Speaker 1: have a very simple and really ridiculous way that we
Speaker 1: end our show. And we look right there at the
Speaker 1: camera and we say bye, guys, Can you do that
Speaker 1: with us?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: All right?
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