1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,439 Speaker 1: I was reading through the stack of sources you brought 2 00:00:02,439 --> 00:00:04,719 in for us today and I just I couldn't get 3 00:00:04,759 --> 00:00:06,839 this one specific image out of my head. 4 00:00:06,919 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 2: Oh, the Cold War file. 5 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It feels like something pulled straight out of 6 00:00:11,839 --> 00:00:14,480 out of a Cold War thriller, but it's completely real. 7 00:00:14,759 --> 00:00:15,119 Speaker 2: It is. 8 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: Imagine you're a military officer in the nineteen sixties, right, 9 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:23,359 You're stationed in a reinforced concrete capsule, buried deep, yeah, 10 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,800 buried sixty feet underground, beneath the American Midwest. You're entirely 11 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,559 cut off from the surface world, surrounded by like the 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,759 hum of electronics, fixed steel blast doors, and just this 13 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,560 heavy crushing weight of national. 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 2: Security, ultimate responsibility. 15 00:00:39,119 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 1: Exactly, your fingers are literally inches away from the launch 16 00:00:42,679 --> 00:00:47,200 sequence of a nuclear arsenal that could end civilization in 17 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,039 a matter of minutes. And then the phone rings, and 18 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:51,359 then the phone rings. It's a top side guard and 19 00:00:51,439 --> 00:00:56,159 he isn't reporting a Soviet bomber or a drill. He's frantic, frantic, 20 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,439 screaming about an unknown, silent, glowing object hovering effortlessly above 21 00:01:01,479 --> 00:01:04,040 the front gate of the base. And before you can 22 00:01:04,079 --> 00:01:08,079 even process what that implies, the board changes the most powerful, 23 00:01:08,359 --> 00:01:11,599 highly secured weapons on planet Earth. The missiles you are 24 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:16,799 actively guarding suddenly and inexplicably start deactivating one by one. 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:17,519 It is. 26 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:20,599 Speaker 2: It's the kind of scenario that forces you to just 27 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:24,400 completely reevaluate everything you think you know about global security. 28 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,519 When you actually dig into the declassified documentation of that event, 29 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,120 the institutional panic is palpable. And what makes this so 30 00:01:32,239 --> 00:01:35,760 compelling is that it isn't an isolated anomaly. It's just 31 00:01:35,879 --> 00:01:39,480 one data point in a much larger, decade spanning puzzle. 32 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,879 Speaker 1: Well, welcome to Thrilling Threads. I am incredibly excited to 33 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:43,319 have you with. 34 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 2: Us today, glad to be here. 35 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: We are looking at a collection of materials that absolutely 36 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:52,040 shifted my perspective. We've been pouring over declassified military testimonies, 37 00:01:52,079 --> 00:01:56,599 detailed historical records, reports from former intelligence officers, and some 38 00:01:56,719 --> 00:02:01,480 deeply provocative research regarding ancient anomala artifacts. Quite a stack, 39 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,599 it is. And our mission today is to explore a chilling, 40 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:10,360 highly documented pattern of unidentified anomalist phenomena interacting directly with 41 00:02:10,439 --> 00:02:11,800 human nuclear technology. 42 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 2: And we should probably establish right from the start the 43 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,599 origin of these phenomena. You know, whether you suspect it's 44 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,759 secret government technology, extraterrestrial intelligence, or something we don't even 45 00:02:22,759 --> 00:02:25,879 have a vocabulary for yet. Right, that's almost secondary, exactly, 46 00:02:25,879 --> 00:02:29,800 it's secondary to the immedia tactical reality. What matters is 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,919 that this represents a documented national security enigma of the 48 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:38,080 highest order. Absolutely, we are looking at unknown entities operating 49 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:42,919 in highly restricted airspace, completely bypassing the most secure defense 50 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,560 networks on the planet and frankly outperforming our aerospace technology 51 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:49,560 by an astronomical margin. 52 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this, because the sheer scale of it 53 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,639 is what gets me. We aren't talking about, you know, 54 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,319 a weird light seen by a camper in the woods. 55 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:58,039 Speaker 2: No, not at all. 56 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: We are talking about the military industrial common plex encountering 57 00:03:01,199 --> 00:03:05,479 an intelligence it fundamentally cannot manage. To really understand the 58 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:07,960 gravity of that, we need to go back and set 59 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,039 the stage. We're looking at the late nineteen sixties. 60 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: To truly grasp the significance of these incursions, you have 61 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:17,479 to remember the atmosphere of the era. The nineteen sixties 62 00:03:17,479 --> 00:03:21,960 were defined by a suffocating existential paranoia, the Cold War, right, 63 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:24,960 the Cuban Missile Crisis had happened just a few years prior. 64 00:03:25,319 --> 00:03:30,039 The strategy of the day was mutually assured destruction mad. Yes, 65 00:03:30,599 --> 00:03:32,879 the United States and the Soviet Union were locked in 66 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,400 a constant state of hypervigilance, both armed with arsenals that 67 00:03:36,439 --> 00:03:38,560 could glass the planet several times. 68 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:43,039 Speaker 1: Over, and the yield on those weapons was staggering. I'm 69 00:03:43,039 --> 00:03:46,400 talking with the Minuteman I intercontinenta ballistic missiles. One of 70 00:03:46,479 --> 00:03:49,439 our sources provided a comparison that genuinely made me stop 71 00:03:49,479 --> 00:03:50,319 and reread. 72 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 2: The paragraph the Hiroshima comparison. 73 00:03:52,199 --> 00:03:55,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima had an explosive 74 00:03:55,479 --> 00:03:58,000 yield of roughly fifteen kilotons. 75 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:01,159 Speaker 2: Which is fifteen thousand tons of tntqu equivalent, enough to 76 00:04:01,319 --> 00:04:03,879 instantly level a city and alter the course of human history. 77 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: Right, But a single minute Man I warhead it had 78 00:04:06,719 --> 00:04:09,199 a yield of one point two megatons. 79 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: The massive jump that is. 80 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: One point two million tons of TNT It is almost 81 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,680 mathematically impossible to visualize. One single missile is magnitudes more 82 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,240 destructive than the bomb that ended the Second World War. 83 00:04:23,319 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 2: And the United States had one hundred and fifty of 84 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,519 these apocalyptic weapons stationed just at Malmstrom Air Force Base 85 00:04:28,519 --> 00:04:29,600 in Montana. 86 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: Which brings us to the operational reality of the men 87 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,000 guarding them. Let's look at Lieutenant Robert Sallis. 88 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 2: He was the deputy missile Combat crew commander on duty 89 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:42,399 that night at Malmstrom March twenty seven, nineteen sixty seven. 90 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:46,399 Speaker 1: So Sallis is sixty feet underground in this launch control facility. 91 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,879 It's essentially a submarine buried in the dirt. 92 00:04:48,959 --> 00:04:50,279 Speaker 2: That's a good way to describe it. 93 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: It's him and his commander locked in for twenty four 94 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,560 hour shift. The two man rules in effect, the isolation 95 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,439 is total, and then he gets that first phone call 96 00:04:58,480 --> 00:04:59,120 from the surface. 97 00:04:59,399 --> 00:05:03,199 Speaker 2: The top side guard reports strange lights flying over the facility, 98 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,720 but it's the specific flight characteristics that are crucial here. 99 00:05:06,959 --> 00:05:09,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, the guard notes they are behaving in ways that 100 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,639 defy aerodynamics. They're flying in incredible steeds then stopping on a. 101 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 2: Dime reversing course instantly. 102 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: Instantly, without a turning radius, and there's no sound, no 103 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:23,199 engine noise, no sonic boom, no exhaust trail. The guard 104 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,399 explicitly tells Solas, these are not aircraft, sir. 105 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 2: In nineteen sixty seven, the pinnacle of aviation was the 106 00:05:29,399 --> 00:05:32,839 SR seventy one Blackbird, Right the Blackbird was a marvel, 107 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:37,000 but it was definitely loud, required massive logistical support, and 108 00:05:37,079 --> 00:05:40,399 possessed a turning radius measured in states, not feet. 109 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: Wow. 110 00:05:41,319 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 2: The physics described by that frightened guard at Malmstrom defy 111 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:48,360 aerodynamic principles as we understand them even today, let alone 112 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:49,000 in the sixties. 113 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: I can imagine Solas down there, probably thinking the guard 114 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,920 is seeing a localized weather phenomenon, or just getting spooked 115 00:05:55,199 --> 00:05:57,560 by the sheer emptiness of the Montana planes at night. 116 00:05:57,680 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 2: Right, you want a rational explanation. 117 00:05:59,519 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: He tells them, call back if anything more significant happens. 118 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,759 But minutes later the phone rings again, and this time 119 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,600 the guard is absolutely terrified. 120 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,319 Speaker 2: Screaming into the receiver. 121 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,639 Speaker 1: He reports a gigantic, reddish orange pulsating oval object hovering 122 00:06:13,720 --> 00:06:17,079 silently directly over the front aid of the nuclear facility. 123 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:18,839 The guards have their weapons drawn. 124 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 2: You have to put yourself in the mindset of a 125 00:06:20,879 --> 00:06:24,120 missileer in that exact moment, You're in command of ten 126 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,199 nuclear weapons, You're blind to the surface, relying entirely on 127 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,319 a panicked voice on a secure line. 128 00:06:30,519 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 1: What's your first thought? 129 00:06:31,959 --> 00:06:35,079 Speaker 2: The immediate terrifying assumption has to be that this is 130 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:38,040 a Soviet preemptive strike. Right, you'd assume it's some kind 131 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,639 of advanced jamming platform designed to neutralize your defenses before 132 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:42,759 a broader attack. 133 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,959 Speaker 1: So Sallus orders the guards to use whatever force is 134 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:50,519 necessary to secure the perimeter. He wakes his commander, and 135 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:52,800 right at that moment, the alarms. 136 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:53,759 Speaker 2: Start going off, the claxons. 137 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,439 Speaker 1: The claxons start blaring in this confined, echoing concrete space. 138 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: This is the pivot point. It shifts instantly from a 139 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,560 bizarre sighting into a critical, localized strategic failure. 140 00:07:05,759 --> 00:07:07,519 Speaker 1: They look over the command board. It's a bank of 141 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,720 lights representing the readiness of their ten minute man missiles. 142 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,319 And while this reddish orange object is hovering topside, the 143 00:07:14,439 --> 00:07:17,279 lights on the board start changing one by one rapidly. 144 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:20,399 They drop from a green operational status to a red 145 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,279 no go. They lose their entire flight of missiles in 146 00:07:23,279 --> 00:07:24,199 a matter of seconds. 147 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:28,279 Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the engineering implications of that shutdown. 148 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,240 That's what really demands our attention. 149 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:31,639 Speaker 1: Tell me more about that. 150 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,639 Speaker 2: These missiles were deliberately designed to be independent of one another, 151 00:07:35,959 --> 00:07:39,160 specifically to prevent a cascading failure, So. 152 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:41,839 Speaker 1: They aren't wired like Christmas tree lights exactly. 153 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: They aren't wired together on a single circuit. Each missile 154 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,240 silo is physically separated by miles of terrain, and each 155 00:07:49,279 --> 00:07:52,560 operates on its own isolated power and guidance system. 156 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: I had the same thought when reading the report. Couldn't 157 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:59,600 a massive electromagnetic pulse an EMP just fry the whole 158 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:00,759 grid at. 159 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: An EMP would certainly cause widespread damage, but the launch 160 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,560 control facilities and the silos were heavily shielded against EMPs 161 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,079 because of the Cold War, because they were designed to 162 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:14,319 survive and function in a post nuclear strike environment. Furthermore, 163 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,480 an EMP is a blunt instrument. It fries everything. 164 00:08:17,639 --> 00:08:19,319 Speaker 1: But everything else was fine right. 165 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: The lights in the bunker didn't go out, the phone 166 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,680 still worked, the environmental controls functioned perfectly. Whatever happened to 167 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,560 those missiles wasn't a blunt force electrical surge. 168 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: It was surgical. The military investigated this relentlessly, tearing the 169 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,000 systems apart. They found no physical damage, no short circuits, 170 00:08:37,039 --> 00:08:37,759 no burned. 171 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 2: Out components, nothing to explain a conventional failure. 172 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,919 Speaker 1: Whatever this object was, it transmitted a signal or a 173 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,480 localized field that penetrated sixty feet of earth bypassed the 174 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:52,519 heavily shielded, isolated security protocols and selectively scrambled the guidance 175 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,039 and control systems of ten independent nuclear weapons. 176 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,159 Speaker 2: Exactly. It implies an intimate, terrifying understanding of how how 177 00:09:00,159 --> 00:09:04,279 our most classified advanced weapons systems functioned. They didn't destroy 178 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,440 the infrastructure, They simply initiated a controlled shut down sequence. 179 00:09:08,639 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: It was a precise neutralization of the ultimate deterrent. Yes, 180 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,000 and think about the psychological impact of that for a second. 181 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,679 Imagine you're the listener putting yourself in the shoes of 182 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:21,720 the top brass of the Pentagon, realizing that the impenetrable 183 00:09:21,799 --> 00:09:25,879 nuclear shield you spent billions building can be casually switched 184 00:09:25,879 --> 00:09:27,120 off by an unknown entity. 185 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: It's the ultimate helplessness. 186 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: And then Salus's commander makes a frantic call to the 187 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,320 command post, only to learn that the exact same thing 188 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,559 had happened at another launch facility echo flight, just a 189 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:42,840 week earlier. Ten more missiles, ten more missiles disabled under 190 00:09:42,879 --> 00:09:44,200 identical circumstances. 191 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:48,039 Speaker 2: It establishes a deliberate pattern of behavior, and it forces 192 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,320 a very uncomfortable process of elimination. 193 00:09:50,639 --> 00:09:51,559 Speaker 1: How So, if. 194 00:09:51,519 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: Human adversaries possessed that technology in nineteen sixty seven, the 195 00:09:55,519 --> 00:09:57,519 Cold War would have ended immediately. 196 00:09:57,639 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 197 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 2: The Soviets could have parked the objects over every minute 198 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,960 man field, and the Dakotas in Montana disabled our entire 199 00:10:05,039 --> 00:10:09,360 retaliatory capability and demanded unconditional surrender. 200 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: Because we would have nothing left to fire back with. 201 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: Exactly. The fact that no nation capitalized on this vulnerability 202 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,639 strongly suggests the origin of the interference was not geopolitical. 203 00:10:18,919 --> 00:10:21,919 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets really interesting, though. If this localized 204 00:10:21,919 --> 00:10:25,039 interference at land based silos was the only data point, 205 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,600 it would be fascinating enough. But if these entities are 206 00:10:28,639 --> 00:10:32,480 so hyper focused on our atomic capabilities, what happens when 207 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:34,240 we take those capabilities on the move. 208 00:10:34,519 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 2: You're referring to the maritime encounters. 209 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,519 Speaker 1: Exactly what happens when we take this to the ocean. 210 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,399 Speaker 2: Which present an entirely different set of tactical challenges. The 211 00:10:42,519 --> 00:10:47,600 environment changes, but the core interaction, the absolute suppression of 212 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,279 human military technology, remains consistent. 213 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:54,200 Speaker 1: Let's jump to July two, nineteen seventy one. We are 214 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,039 looking at the USS John F. 215 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 2: Kennedy, a massive vessel. 216 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: This isn't a submarine, it's a massive of nuclear powered 217 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:05,919 aircraft carrier essentially a floating, heavily armed city. They're returning 218 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,320 from a deployment in the Caribbean. 219 00:11:07,639 --> 00:11:09,799 Speaker 2: It's night and a watchman sees something. 220 00:11:09,879 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: The watchman reports a massive, glowing, orange, pulsating sphere. The 221 00:11:16,039 --> 00:11:19,240 description is remarkably consistent with the Malmstrom object. 222 00:11:19,519 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 2: The atmosphere conditions that see amplify the isolation too. An 223 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,799 aircraft carrier operates with a sophisticated suite of radar, sonar, 224 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,240 and communications arraysed. 225 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: It's a fortress. 226 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,399 Speaker 2: It is designed to be the undisputed master of its 227 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:32,919 immediate airspace and waters. 228 00:11:33,039 --> 00:11:36,639 Speaker 1: Yet this enormous sphere positions itself directly over the flight deck. 229 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:41,799 Almost immediately, the ship's communications are completely disabled, jammed entirely. 230 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,480 They're cut off from the fleet and from the mainland. 231 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,440 The captain calls the ship to battle stations. You have 232 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,879 thousands of sailors scrambling, pilots rushing to their aircraft, gunners 233 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:53,159 manning the defense. 234 00:11:52,919 --> 00:11:54,799 Speaker 2: Systems, but they can't do anything right. 235 00:11:55,279 --> 00:11:58,519 Speaker 1: When they try to actually engage the object, their weapons 236 00:11:58,519 --> 00:12:02,960 systems completely fail. The targeting radars won't lock, the electronic 237 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:03,879 triggers are dead. 238 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:08,120 Speaker 2: For roughly twenty agonizing minutes, a vessel that represented the 239 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:13,600 absolute pinnacle of human naval engineering was rendered completely impotent. 240 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 1: A sitting deck. 241 00:12:14,519 --> 00:12:16,799 Speaker 2: A sitting deck, the crew could do nothing but observe 242 00:12:16,879 --> 00:12:20,360 this pulsating sphere hovering above them, projecting a field of 243 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,200 influence that nullified their defensive capabilities. 244 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,039 Speaker 1: And then the sphere just slowly ascends and departs. The 245 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:30,559 system's reboot, But the institutional reaction afterward is incredibly telling. 246 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:31,399 Speaker 2: The gag order. 247 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:33,759 Speaker 1: A few days later, the captain gets on the ship's 248 00:12:33,759 --> 00:12:38,080 intercom and issues a strict fleet wide gag order. He 249 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:40,360 tells the thousands of personnel on board that they are 250 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,200 never to speak about the event, not to their families, 251 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,440 not to the press, not to each other. Absolute silence. 252 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: The suppression is a natural institutional defense mechanism. 253 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:51,759 Speaker 1: You think so well. 254 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,879 Speaker 2: When a military apparatus whose entire existence is predicated on 255 00:12:55,919 --> 00:13:00,919 control and superiority is confronted with an insurmountable technol logical gap, 256 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:03,559 the default posture is secrecy. 257 00:13:04,039 --> 00:13:06,159 Speaker 1: Acknowledging it means admitting weakness. 258 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,919 Speaker 2: Acknowledging the event means acknowledging a profound vulnerability that undermines 259 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,480 the entire defense budget. 260 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 1: That makes total sense from an American pr perspective, But 261 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,639 what about our adversaries? Did the Soviets experience this? They 262 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,000 did because the declassified records from the Eastern Bloc showed 263 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,879 that the phenomenon didn't play favorites, but the way it 264 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:27,840 interacted with Soviet weapons was fundamentally different. 265 00:13:28,039 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 2: The Soviet experience, particularly an incident in Ukraine during the 266 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:35,960 nineteen eighties, represents the terrifying inverse of the American encounters. 267 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: This one genuinely gave me chills. It's a Soviet missile 268 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,559 silo in Ukraine. An ORB appears over the site, but 269 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,039 the controllers down in the bunker don't see their systems 270 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,279 go offline like in Malmstrom. 271 00:13:47,879 --> 00:13:49,039 Speaker 2: No, the opposite. 272 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,399 Speaker 1: Instead, they look at their consoles and realize the missiles 273 00:13:51,399 --> 00:13:52,720 are mysteriously powering up. 274 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: They start fueling without orders. 275 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:55,799 Speaker 1: It is insane. 276 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 2: Fueling a liquid propellant ballistic missile is a massive, highlight 277 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:05,200 volatile logistical step. It is the immediate precursor. 278 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,440 Speaker 1: To a launch, and it requires authorization. 279 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 2: Explicit, authenticated authorization from the highest levels of the Soviet 280 00:14:11,639 --> 00:14:12,639 command structure. 281 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: But nobody gave the order. The controllers in the bunker 282 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:18,559 are frantically trying to abort the sequence, but they find 283 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,240 that they are completely locked out of their own command terminals. 284 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,600 The manual overrides are unresponsive. 285 00:14:24,039 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 2: You're looking at a complete system hijack. The automated retaliatory 286 00:14:28,039 --> 00:14:30,919 systems of the Soviet Union were complex, but they were 287 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:35,039 still terrestrial machines. To have an outside force remotely initiate 288 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:38,519 a launch sequence while actively locking out the human operators 289 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:40,960 is a nightmare scenario. 290 00:14:40,679 --> 00:14:43,799 Speaker 1: The ultimate nightmare. Because the launch codes for the United 291 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,559 States are automatically entered, the targeting is set, the countdown begins. 292 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:50,639 The offices in that bunker are panicking, physically trying to 293 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,799 rip out wiring harnesses, washing the seconds tick down to 294 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:54,519 World War. 295 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 2: Three, a launch that would guarantee an American retaliatory strike. 296 00:14:57,879 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: It would essentially end human history. 297 00:14:59,519 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: And then right at the precipice, right as the countdown progresses. 298 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,919 Speaker 1: To the bring, the system just shuts down. 299 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,639 Speaker 2: The sequence aborts, the control consoles unlock, and the orb 300 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,360 flies away. 301 00:15:09,919 --> 00:15:14,559 Speaker 1: Why the difference? I keep thinking about this, Why gracefully 302 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,360 turn the American missiles off but aggressively turn the Soviet 303 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,399 missiles on, only to pull the plug at the last second. 304 00:15:21,639 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 2: That is the core philosophical question of this entire phenomenon. 305 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,840 If we connect this to the bigger picture and assume 306 00:15:27,879 --> 00:15:31,120 a unified intelligence behind both events, we have to analyze 307 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,440 the intent. One interpretation is that it's a diagnostic test. 308 00:15:34,879 --> 00:15:38,240 They're probing the different architectures of the American solid state 309 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,919 systems versus the Soviet liquid fueled systems to see how 310 00:15:41,919 --> 00:15:45,960 they respond external override, a stress test exactly. But another 311 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,840 interpretation is purely psychological. 312 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: An overwhelming display of dominance. 313 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 2: Precisely, it is a demonstration that our ultimate weapons, the 314 00:15:54,519 --> 00:15:57,279 things we use to hold the entire world hostage, are 315 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,600 effectively toys to them. By shutting down the Americans and 316 00:16:00,679 --> 00:16:04,799 hijacking the Soviets, the intelligence is communicating that nuclear deterrence 317 00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:07,919 is an illusion. We only control these weapons because they 318 00:16:07,919 --> 00:16:08,519 allow us to. 319 00:16:09,039 --> 00:16:12,759 Speaker 1: And this isn't just dusty Cold War history. Former intelligence 320 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:16,679 officer lou Elizondo has been remarkably blunt about this. He 321 00:16:16,759 --> 00:16:19,159 states clearly that these incursions are. 322 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,799 Speaker 2: Ongoing, still happening today. 323 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:25,399 Speaker 1: Orbs are continually witnessed hovering over modern nuclear equities, active 324 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,960 power plants, weapons storage facilities, and development sites. 325 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:33,519 Speaker 2: Today Alizana's perspective is deeply pragmatic. If we connect this 326 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,960 to the bigger picture, the terrifying reality is an unknown 327 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:40,519 intelligence operating in controlled airspace with complete. 328 00:16:40,159 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: Impunity, outperforming everything we have. 329 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 2: From a defense standpoint, intent almost doesn't matter if the 330 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,080 capability is that vastly superior. If a foreign nation could 331 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,120 do this, it would be considered an act of war. 332 00:16:51,679 --> 00:16:54,799 The fact that an unknown intelligence operates with total impunity 333 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,679 over our most sensitive sites is an ongoing critical vulnerability. 334 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: So we've looked extensively a weapons the deliberate militarization of 335 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:06,200 the atom. But let's shift focus from weapons of war 336 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:07,720 to civilian. 337 00:17:07,319 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 2: Nuclear power the power plants. 338 00:17:09,519 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: Right, The phenomenon seems equally drawn to our nuclear power plants, 339 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,319 and the way it interacts with them during catastrophic failures 340 00:17:16,559 --> 00:17:19,200 opens up a really complex debate about its motivations. 341 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,599 Speaker 2: We are shifting the context from deliberate geopolitical posturing to 342 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,480 the sheer generation of raw energy, and specifically to the 343 00:17:27,519 --> 00:17:30,839 moments when human engineering fails to contain that energy. 344 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: Let's examine Fukushima Dichi in Japan, March eleventh, twenty eleven. 345 00:17:35,519 --> 00:17:38,519 A nine point zero magnitude earthquake strikes off the coast. 346 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,079 Speaker 2: The seismic violence was intense. 347 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: It literally shifted the earth axis, but the earthquake was 348 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:44,880 just the catalyst. 349 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 2: The true devastation was delivered by the resulting tsunami. The 350 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:51,880 Fukushima plant was designed to withstand earthquakes, but the sea 351 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,640 walls were entirely insufficient for the one hundred and thirty 352 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:57,519 foot waves that devastated the coast and overwhelmed the plant's 353 00:17:57,519 --> 00:17:58,400 safety systems. 354 00:17:58,599 --> 00:18:02,279 Speaker 1: The water floods the backup diesel generators, the plant loses 355 00:18:02,319 --> 00:18:06,559 all power. Now for a boiling ladder reactor, active cooling 356 00:18:06,599 --> 00:18:07,519 is non negotiable. 357 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 2: The decay heat is massive. 358 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 1: Even after the fission process is shut down, the nuclear 359 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,319 fuel continues to generate massive amounts of heat without the 360 00:18:16,319 --> 00:18:19,960 water pump circulating coolant. The water in the reactor boils away, 361 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:21,960 exposing the fuel rods. 362 00:18:21,839 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 2: Which initiates a meltdown. The zirconium cladding on the fuel 363 00:18:25,759 --> 00:18:29,440 rods reacts with the steam to produce hydrogen gas, leading 364 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,920 to the massive explosions that blew the roofs off the 365 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:32,920 reactor buildings. 366 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: The situation was teetering on the edge of a total 367 00:18:35,599 --> 00:18:37,519 uncontained radiological release. 368 00:18:37,839 --> 00:18:41,079 Speaker 2: Had all the compromised reactors fully breached containment, it could 369 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,240 have rendered a massive swath of Asia uninhabitable. 370 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,839 Speaker 1: And absolute catastrophe. But introduce the researcher reports here, because 371 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,759 hidden within the chaots of that disaster are accounts that 372 00:18:51,799 --> 00:18:53,480 add a bizarre layer to the event. 373 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 2: The sightings yes in the weeks leading. 374 00:18:56,039 --> 00:18:58,759 Speaker 1: Up to the earthquake and specifically during the height of 375 00:18:58,799 --> 00:19:02,920 the reactor meltdowns. Researchers note a significant number of UFO 376 00:19:03,079 --> 00:19:06,680 sightings directly over the Fukushima facility. 377 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:08,279 Speaker 2: Corroborated by multiple witnesses. 378 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:13,279 Speaker 1: Corroborated by witnesses and local reporting. The ancient astronaut theorists 379 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:18,119 propose a really wild theory here did extraterrestrials intervene to 380 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:19,799 stabilize the melting reactors. 381 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 2: The presence of anomalous aerial vehicles during a catastrophic nuclear 382 00:19:23,759 --> 00:19:29,480 event raises profound questions. Are they merely passive observers gathering 383 00:19:29,559 --> 00:19:33,119 data on our engineering failures or is there an active 384 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:34,359 intervention taking place? 385 00:19:34,839 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: The theorists suggest they might have been utilizing advanced technology 386 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,759 to stabilize the reactors to slow the meltdown process. But 387 00:19:41,839 --> 00:19:42,759 I have to push. 388 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 2: Back here, play devil's advocate during. 389 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: A disaster of that magnitude, earthquakes, tsunamis, hydrogen explosions. Couldn't 390 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,200 these sightings just be stress induced hallucinations or maybe atmospheric 391 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,200 anomalies caused by the fires and the radiation. People see 392 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:57,559 what they want to see when they're desperate. 393 00:19:57,799 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 2: That is the standard skeptical counter argument, and it's a 394 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:05,200 necessary filter. In highly traumatic, chaotic environments, Eyewitness testimony can 395 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:10,480 be notoriously unreliable. Misidentifications of helicopters, drones, or burning debris 396 00:20:10,599 --> 00:20:11,680 are highly probable. 397 00:20:11,759 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 1: That makes sense. 398 00:20:12,599 --> 00:20:15,279 Speaker 2: However, researchers point out that some of these objects were 399 00:20:15,279 --> 00:20:19,680 tracked on localized radar, exhibiting the same impossible flight characteristics 400 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:24,319 instantaneous acceleration, lack of inertia that we saw at Malmstrom. 401 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:28,039 That makes it harder to dismiss purely as optical illusions 402 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:29,240 or debris. 403 00:20:28,839 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: And Fukushima doesn't stand alone in this regard. If we 404 00:20:31,799 --> 00:20:35,440 look back twenty five years prior to the Chernobyl disaster 405 00:20:35,559 --> 00:20:38,519 in Ukraine in nineteen eighty six, we see an almost 406 00:20:38,519 --> 00:20:39,480 identical pattern. 407 00:20:39,559 --> 00:20:42,599 Speaker 2: The Chernobyl reports are fascinating after reactor. 408 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,799 Speaker 1: Number four exploded, exposing the burning core to the open air. 409 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:50,720 Emergency responders and local residents reported seeing glowing objects hovering 410 00:20:50,759 --> 00:20:52,759 in the smoke plumes directly above the. 411 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,039 Speaker 2: Plant, and they go a step further than Fukushima. Witnesses 412 00:20:56,039 --> 00:20:59,920 didn't just report the presence of crafts. They described specific interactions. 413 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,039 Several accounts detail anomalous beams of light projecting downward from 414 00:21:04,039 --> 00:21:07,400 these hovering objects directly into the exposed burning reactor core. 415 00:21:07,519 --> 00:21:10,640 Speaker 1: Beams of light shining down onto the reactors. That detail 416 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:13,759 is wild. The implication is that these crafts were actively 417 00:21:13,799 --> 00:21:15,839 doing something to suppress the atomic fire. 418 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 2: It frames the intelligence as benevolent. 419 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 1: The guardian's theory are these entities acting as cosmic babysitters. 420 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,799 Speaker 2: Protecting humanity from annihilating the planet. The idea that we 421 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:30,160 are at technologically reckless species playing with matches, and when 422 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,759 we accidentally set the house on fire, these entities step 423 00:21:33,759 --> 00:21:36,359 in with a cosmic fire extinguisher to make. 424 00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:39,279 Speaker 1: Sure we don't burn down the Biosehere it's a comforting narrative, 425 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:43,839 but if we combine the disaster interventions with the military incursions, 426 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,200 a darker interpretation emerges. 427 00:21:46,319 --> 00:21:48,559 Speaker 2: The dominance theory exactly, or. 428 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: Is it a display of dominance, a way to show 429 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,240 a technologically primitive society who is really in charge. 430 00:21:54,319 --> 00:21:57,880 Speaker 2: If they can easily neutralize a reactor meltdown that baffles 431 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,039 our greatest physicists, and they can efffortlessly shut down our 432 00:22:01,079 --> 00:22:04,720 nuclear missiles, their actions might not be driven by benevolence, 433 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:06,920 but by resource. 434 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: Management, maintaining the viability of the planet. 435 00:22:08,759 --> 00:22:10,759 Speaker 2: They aren't saving us for our own sake, they are 436 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:14,359 preserving the terrarium. They step in. When our primitive technology 437 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,960 threatens the broader ecological stability of the Earth. It reinforces 438 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,599 the power dynamic we are deeply subordinate. 439 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: It fundamentally reshapes how we view our place in the hierarchy. 440 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,400 But let's take this a massive step further. I want 441 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,839 to ask you, you know, as a listener, how far 442 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,359 back do you think this nuclear UFO connection goes ni 443 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:38,880 kids decades, what about millennia. We've established a pattern in 444 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,160 the modern era. But if these entities are so hyper 445 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,839 focused on atomic energy, is it possible the connection goes 446 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:46,640 back much further. 447 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:50,119 Speaker 2: To explore that hypothesis, we transition from modern reports to 448 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,359 the archaeological record. We're looking for physical anomalies that defy 449 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,440 the established timeline of human development. 450 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,279 Speaker 1: Let's go to the Indus Valley in modern day Pakistan. 451 00:22:58,799 --> 00:23:03,200 In nineteen twenty two, archaeologists discovered the ruins of Mohanjo Daro. 452 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: A phenomenal discovery. 453 00:23:04,559 --> 00:23:07,599 Speaker 1: This was the crown jewel of a civilization flourishing roughly 454 00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:11,160 four thousand, six hundred years ago, a sprawling, incredibly sophisticated 455 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,359 Bronze Age metropolis, grid patterned streets, complex drainage. 456 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 2: But it's what they found inside that changes the narrative. 457 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:22,319 Speaker 1: The chilling archaeological anomalies reported by researchers. As they excavated, 458 00:23:22,559 --> 00:23:25,599 they found skeletons lying dead in the streets, families holding 459 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,319 hands with. 460 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 2: No signs of conventional weapon trauma. 461 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: No blade marks, no embedded arrows. The positioning suggests an 462 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,000 instantaneous event that caught the population entirely off guard. 463 00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 2: And the environmental context is where ancient astronaut theorists lean in. 464 00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:44,480 According to several reports cited in our sources, researchers detected 465 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:46,519 anomalous levels of radiation. 466 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: Highlight the key evidence there because it's wild. They found 467 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,640 reports of radioactive. 468 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 2: Ash, radioactive ash, and extensive evidence of vitrification explained. 469 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: Vitrification for US. 470 00:23:56,039 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: Vitrification is the process where immense instantaneous heat melts stone, clay, 471 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,960 or sand and fuses it into a glass like substance. 472 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,839 We see it at the Trinity Test site in New Mexico, 473 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,279 where the heat of the first atomic bomb fuse the 474 00:24:10,279 --> 00:24:12,960 desert sand to a green glass called trintite. 475 00:24:13,079 --> 00:24:15,519 Speaker 1: And at Mohindra Doo they found ceramics and breaks that 476 00:24:15,519 --> 00:24:19,720 have been melted at temperatures requiring incredible unnatural heat. Sections 477 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,559 of the city walls fused into glass. 478 00:24:21,759 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: This raises an important question, how does an ancient Bronze 479 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:29,319 Age city show physical residues akin to a modern atomic detonation. 480 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,240 You cannot achieve that thousands of degrees required to flash 481 00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:37,599 melt clay bricks using standard Bronze Age technology. Wood fires 482 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:38,799 don't blurn hot. 483 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,079 Speaker 1: Enough, so the theorists conclude this might be the site 484 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,720 of an ancient nuclear event, or maybe a catastrophic meltdown 485 00:24:46,759 --> 00:24:48,640 of an extraterrestrial power plant. 486 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,519 Speaker 2: It's a radical reframing of history. 487 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:53,839 Speaker 1: But again, standard archaeologists push back hard on this. They 488 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,839 argue vitrification could be from a meteor, air burst or 489 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,599 sustain chemical fires and dispute their radiation reports is poorly 490 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:02,599 calibrated equipment. 491 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: True, but the theorists maintain that the specific combination of 492 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,200 thermal blast damage and radiological residue in the Indus Valley 493 00:25:09,559 --> 00:25:12,680 two closely mirrors modern atomic testing to be dismissed. 494 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,880 Speaker 1: If ancient civilizations had nuclear technology, or there was a 495 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,079 global ancient nuclear presence, where was the infrastructure. You don't 496 00:25:19,079 --> 00:25:21,559 build a fission reactor out of mud bricks. Where are 497 00:25:21,599 --> 00:25:22,720 the ancient power plants? 498 00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:26,640 Speaker 2: We have to look at geological anomalies heavily veiled by mythology. 499 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: Now Kylash in western Tibet. It sits at an elevation 500 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,880 of roughly twenty two thousand feet and it has this 501 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:38,119 physical anomaly. It is uniquely cone shaped on one side 502 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:41,599 and period shaped on another. It looks deliberately carved, and 503 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,000 its cultural significance is massive. It's the spiritual center of 504 00:25:45,039 --> 00:25:50,240 the universe for four major religions Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Taoism. 505 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:53,640 Pilgrims walk a thirty two mile circular path around its 506 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,519 base to connect with the gods. 507 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:00,319 Speaker 2: The theory asks, could Kylash be an ancient, dormant power 508 00:26:00,319 --> 00:26:04,680 plant that generated raw technological energy rather than just spiritual energy. 509 00:26:04,839 --> 00:26:07,519 Speaker 1: That sounds like a massive leap based just on its shape, 510 00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:10,599 but the researchers support it with an incredible discovery hundreds 511 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:11,200 of miles. 512 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 2: Away, the Macau Caves discovery. 513 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: In nineteen oh seven, British explorer Oral Stein makes this 514 00:26:15,839 --> 00:26:19,839 thrilling Indiana Jones esque discovery along the Silk Road in China, 515 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,359 a seal room called the Cave of a Thousand Buddhists 516 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,680 a time capsule, it contained fifty thousand ancient manuscripts, including 517 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,359 the Diamond Sutra and crucially, a diagram from the second 518 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,160 century AD. 519 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:30,599 Speaker 2: The Mount Meru Diagram. 520 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:34,839 Speaker 1: Focused intensely on this diagram. It depicts Mount Meru, a 521 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,799 sacred cosmic mountain believed to connect heaven and Earth. For 522 00:26:38,839 --> 00:26:41,200 a century, it was viewed purely as religious. 523 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:43,839 Speaker 2: Art until a Northrop grumm And scientist analyzed it. 524 00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: The Bombshell revelation. This is a scientist who designs particle 525 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,880 being weapons with the government. He looks at this two 526 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,039 thousand year old Buddhist diagram and when comparing it to 527 00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:57,119 a modern cyclotron an atom smasher used in the Manhattan Project, 528 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,640 it is a perfect. 529 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 2: Match, a flawless, a lie alignment of geometry. 530 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: Lenses, stack energy focal points. It's a blueprint for a 531 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,640 particle accelerator. He stated on the record that the ancient 532 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:13,319 diagram and the modern atom smasher blueprint are virtually identical. 533 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 2: If we synthesize this ancient grid. Bringing it all together. 534 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:18,440 We look at the Mongolian myth that celestial beans lived 535 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,880 around Mount Meru to feed off the energy it emitted. 536 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: So the grand theory, Mount Kylash was the raw nuclear 537 00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:28,039 power plant generating the energy, and Mount Meru, or the 538 00:27:28,079 --> 00:27:30,920 device depicted as Mount Moreau, was the particle accelerator or. 539 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,279 Speaker 2: A transmitter utilizing that colossal influx of power. 540 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 1: Relating this back to you, the listener, So what does 541 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,799 this all mean for you? We are looking at a 542 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:43,119 potential hidden hand guiding human history from the Indus Valley 543 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,599 thousands of years ago to a concrete bunker in Montana 544 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,160 in nineteen sixty seven. 545 00:27:48,319 --> 00:27:51,799 Speaker 2: The thread tying everything together is undeniable. From Cold War 546 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:56,319 missiles shutting down, to Soviet codes activating, to ancient radioactive 547 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,000 ruins and atom smasher blueprints and Buddhist caves, the evidence 548 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,400 points to an ongoing incredibly advanced intelligence, closely monitoring and 549 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:07,599 sometimes controlling our ultimate power sources. 550 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,519 Speaker 1: We leave you with this chilling new idea. If these 551 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,400 orbs can easily turn off our most advanced weapons and 552 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,279 stabilize our worst reactor meltdowns, are we truly the masters 553 00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,960 of our own planet? Or are we just tenants living 554 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,839 in a carefully monitored cosmic touarrium. 555 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,839 Speaker 2: It challenges the very core of human autonomy. We may 556 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,079 simply be flora and fauna in a managed biosphere. 557 00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: We want to know where you stand on this. Do 558 00:28:30,279 --> 00:28:32,079 you think these orbs are protecting us from our own 559 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,359 destructive nature? Or are they subtly manipulating human history for 560 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,559 their own agenda. Drop a comment and let us know 561 00:28:37,599 --> 00:28:38,119 your theory. 562 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 2: We must be willing to follow the data wherever it leads. 563 00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us for this edition 564 00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,720 of Thrilling Threads. Stay curious and we will catch you 565 00:28:46,759 --> 00:28:47,240 next time.