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<v Speaker 1>Their shouts of joy could be heard throughout the neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>As the prayer meeting overflowed to the front porch, many

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<v Speaker 1>curious neighbors gathered, and soon others begin speaking in tongues

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<v Speaker 1>and praising God. The word spread rapidly by the next morning.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, none of this is speaking in tongues. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just an assumption that gloss a lalia is glossa. It's not.

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<v Speaker 2>One is gibberish, and one is known dialect, and in

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<v Speaker 2>the New Testament it's known dialect a language. Like when

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<v Speaker 2>it says that every tribe, tongue, and nation will confess

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<v Speaker 2>Christ tongue language, it's literally like the lowest tier, just

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<v Speaker 2>uneducated mistake that tongues is gibberish and not aknown language.

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<v Speaker 2>And an argument from silence doesn't prove anything. Well, but

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't say that there wasn't mister, yeah. This passage

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<v Speaker 2>also doesn't say that God didn't appoint a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>special nome bishops either, So it's possible. I mean, could

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<v Speaker 2>God create nomes? Yeah? Does this pass just say that

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<v Speaker 2>there weren't no bishops and X two? No, Well, then

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<v Speaker 2>it's possible. So how do we know I mean, do

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<v Speaker 2>you understand how dumb that like? Arguments from silence are

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<v Speaker 2>so stupid? Man, Like, why would you think that there's

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<v Speaker 2>non bishops? Well that's a sorry bro. Well yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>a transmission of an unknown language that no one knows

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<v Speaker 2>to no one is also as dumb. No, Like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>I will believe in Nome Hyperborea before I believe that stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, The crowd had grown so great that it was

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<v Speaker 1>difficult to approach the house. The port became a poolpit

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<v Speaker 1>as William Seymour began to preach to the crowd. This

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<v Speaker 1>continued for three days and nights. It has been said

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<v Speaker 1>that during this three day street service, the house shook

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<v Speaker 1>under the exuberant praising of.

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<v Speaker 3>A hungry people.

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<v Speaker 1>Even on one occasion, the ports collapsed at the weight

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<v Speaker 1>of all the people. Services continued, all.

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<v Speaker 4>There we go.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the signs from God, right, the ports collapsed, people

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<v Speaker 2>were yapping and flopping and flipping and flapping. That's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be even though Paul says God is not the

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<v Speaker 2>other confusion, it's got to be of God, right. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just like people put it this way. If you

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<v Speaker 2>choose not to be educated and not to think rationally

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<v Speaker 2>and critically. According to the laws of critical thinking, You're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be necessarily led by your emotions. And if you're

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<v Speaker 2>controlled and run by your emotions, you're gonna be stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna make dumb decisions because the heart is deceitful

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<v Speaker 2>above all else, as Jeremiah says, and you won't have discernment.

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<v Speaker 2>You will follow your heart.

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<v Speaker 5>God's telling me that she's who I'm supposed to be with,

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<v Speaker 5>even though I've been messaging her for fifty days straight

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<v Speaker 5>and she won't answer none of my text messages. She's

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<v Speaker 5>ghost to me, but God told me she was my woe. God,

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<v Speaker 5>but I filtered.

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<v Speaker 4>She was the one. How come she's ghost to me?

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<v Speaker 6>Please text back?

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<v Speaker 5>Please text back?

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<v Speaker 7>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>You see how silly that says? Well, I felt it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you want to be run by your emotions and

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<v Speaker 2>your feelings, You're gonna be an idiot. I'm just using

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<v Speaker 2>an example of like evangelical goofballs with no game, they

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<v Speaker 2>gonna learn the hard way. You're gonna get tuck Son.

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<v Speaker 1>You'd almost stay and night with healings reported and hundreds

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<v Speaker 1>of people filled with this spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>How do we know that there was actual healings? At

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<v Speaker 2>this damn shack that collapsed because a bunch of people's

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<v Speaker 2>hooting and hollering. Who believes that? By the way, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're a Roman Catholic, Oh wait a minute, I thought, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>hold on, miracles prove stuff. Oh I guess the Pentecostal

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<v Speaker 2>is Zusa Street revival proves Pentecostals because they claim to

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<v Speaker 2>have miracles. I'm there, we go. I mean maybe that

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<v Speaker 2>is why Roman Catholics accept the charismatic movement, because they

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<v Speaker 2>claim there. I mean, they believe anything else claim miracles. Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>let me just start claiming miracles. There's orbs, dust orbs.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see if it gets the dust orbs. See if

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<v Speaker 2>we get a oh, we got the Look it's a

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<v Speaker 2>bat miracle. Look at that bat flying around. It's a miracle.

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<v Speaker 4>Per day.

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<v Speaker 1>It was determined that a new location was needed to

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<v Speaker 1>house the growing crowd of seekers. William Seymour and his

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<v Speaker 1>followers soon found a vacated two story church building. Previous

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<v Speaker 1>used to stable horses, it had been converted into apartment houses.

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<v Speaker 1>Upstairs was a large, unfinished barn like room.

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<v Speaker 4>On the downstairs, it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Address or this this emo music that's supposed to like

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<v Speaker 2>move me like even the music's all emo, like it's

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<v Speaker 2>a movie, Like is this supposed to move me?

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<v Speaker 1>Was three hundred and twelve.

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<v Speaker 2>A Zuzus Street? Now? The first thing I want to

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<v Speaker 2>know is, wait a minute, were they even trinitarian? Because, like, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're a Pentecostal, a giant chunk of y'all are

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<v Speaker 2>anti trinitarian, as you just heard that guy calling in,

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<v Speaker 2>who was in a nice way surprised by the passages

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<v Speaker 2>that talk about distinctions in the persons. Right, So let's

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<v Speaker 2>see we're I'm just curious her because I don't actually

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<v Speaker 2>know we're the Azusa Street Preachers people trinitarian? Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't modalists yet, it would be Actually, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>actually know the history of Pentecostalism itself, so it would

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<v Speaker 2>be interesting to see exactly when it started going modalist,

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<v Speaker 2>at least the Pentecostal denomination. Does anybody know? I don't

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<v Speaker 2>actually know the history of the one that's Pentecostals, So

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<v Speaker 2>but anyway, it comes out of this, but I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't know the exact history of it.

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<v Speaker 1>The revival at Azuza stretched from the early morning deep

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<v Speaker 1>into the evening every day for three and a.

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<v Speaker 4>Half the years.

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<v Speaker 1>One woman described the services with the following words.

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<v Speaker 8>A sound like a rushing mighty wind filled the room,

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<v Speaker 8>and I was baptized with the holy ghosts and fire

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<v Speaker 8>rivers of joy in.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So here we go another woman claiming that she

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<v Speaker 2>felt a bunch of wind. It could have just been

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<v Speaker 2>somebody fartening all over, since they're all rolling around, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>how do we know this fart wind is supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be something divine? I felt the wind. Maybe it was

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<v Speaker 2>Sister Susie breaking wind love divine flooding my soul.

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<v Speaker 8>God also gave me the Bible evidence of receiving this

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<v Speaker 8>experience and letting me speak in another language.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, this is multiple just women claiming that they

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<v Speaker 2>think they're speaking in other languages. This is the root

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<v Speaker 2>of all the modern charismatic nonsense. Is women flip flopping

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<v Speaker 2>and flapping around? By the way, is it a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of Is this a black church?

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<v Speaker 9>Like?

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<v Speaker 2>What is this church?

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<v Speaker 4>One?

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<v Speaker 2>This Pentecostalism in North America emerges in nineteen fourteen, stemming

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<v Speaker 2>from a schism out of the assemblies of God. I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know that, also known as Apostolic Jesus name Pentecostalism

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<v Speaker 2>arose from a nontrinitarian view the early origins of the

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<v Speaker 2>Azusa Street. But Pentecostal preachers like R. E. Mccallus began

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<v Speaker 2>to reject the Trinity. Okay, so that's what I'm interested

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<v Speaker 2>in here, So this guy Andrew Ershan. In nineteen thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>an Apostolic Faith Worldwide camp meeting was held in up California.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you California for all these stupid heresies. A Canadian

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<v Speaker 2>man named R. E. Mc callister preached a new revelation.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at that, I got a new revelation. Now, look

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<v Speaker 2>we automatically canceled this out, don't we. With my helpful

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<v Speaker 2>point in my video, there's no new revelations. So if

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<v Speaker 2>he preached a new revelation that you gotta be baptizing

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<v Speaker 2>our name by Jesus only, so, then this causes a

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<v Speaker 2>split in this new denomination in these tent meetings, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we get a number of ministers claimed that they

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<v Speaker 2>were then baptized in Jesus' name before nineteen fourteen, including

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<v Speaker 2>Frank Small. Oh Man. You know, these people were like

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<v Speaker 2>just the most backwoods just rubes. Charles Parham was recorded

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<v Speaker 2>baptizing using a similar formula at Azuzah. Okay, so here's

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<v Speaker 2>Azusa Street saying, oh, you got a baptize in that

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<v Speaker 2>name j Jesus. Nineteen fourteen, Parham and Seymour baptized in

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<v Speaker 2>this new formula, but they were not anti Trinitarian yet.

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<v Speaker 2>So that starts with them coming up with a new

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<v Speaker 2>way to baptize in just the name of Jesus. But

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<v Speaker 2>they're not yet anti Trinitarian. But that's where it begins.

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<v Speaker 2>After nineteen fourteen, many oneness groups formed and eventually became

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<v Speaker 2>the Pentecostal Assemblies of God or the Apostolic Faith Mission

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<v Speaker 2>Church are God. By the way, we have if you're

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<v Speaker 2>from the South, you see this stuff everywhere. This stupid stuff.

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<v Speaker 4>Is just.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all over the Bible Belt. Man, it's just sad.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you got you see all these like four

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<v Speaker 2>er pound women with the with the buns and the

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<v Speaker 2>skirts I mean. And by the way, people that are

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<v Speaker 2>not Bible Belt literate, they will mistake these for Amish

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<v Speaker 2>and Mennonite ladies. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, very different because

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<v Speaker 2>Amish and Mennonite ladies, although they have the same portly frame,

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<v Speaker 2>you will not get anywhere were you a trashy Southern

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<v Speaker 2>man trying to mac on them. However, one on this

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<v Speaker 2>Pentecostal girls, they're known to be quite trashy. And we'll

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<v Speaker 2>go all the way son past third base. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>speaking from experience. I never dated when I was in

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<v Speaker 2>high school. All the one this Pentecostal girls were just

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<v Speaker 2>like because they don't wear makeup, they don't cut their hair,

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<v Speaker 2>and usually they're about two to three hundred pounds overweight.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see if we can find you some examples of

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<v Speaker 2>these girls. Now, this is a charitable photo. Okay, I

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<v Speaker 2>never saw no one this girl's looking like that. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a charitable photo. Let's find what I'm used to. This

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<v Speaker 2>is about more of the norm here. Okay, I'm talking

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<v Speaker 2>like homely as all get out. Here we go. This

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<v Speaker 2>is your average oneness Bible belt woman right here. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking rough, dude. I'm talking.

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<v Speaker 10>Uh Apostolic Pentecostal Women's there you go, Hey, Jamie, can

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<v Speaker 10>you have.

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<v Speaker 2>Me a coffee?

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 2>Jamie? Are you gonna grow your hair out like a

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<v Speaker 2>one this Pentecostal woman? No, Now, look at this chick

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<v Speaker 2>over here, she's got hair down to her feet.

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<v Speaker 11>Dude, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? See, look at that.

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<v Speaker 3>Look at that.

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<v Speaker 4>That's pretty awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Well maybe just in terms of hair, but I can

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<v Speaker 2>I can assure you they're not awesome. Can you imagine

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<v Speaker 2>their drains in their shower? And see? Here we go,

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<v Speaker 2>here's some here's some ladies right here. This is this

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<v Speaker 2>is what I'm used to in the Bible Belt. This

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<v Speaker 2>is are your average homely oneness lady is right here?

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<v Speaker 2>You want to see it, Jamie's curious I'm talking about they. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>you've been to Tennessee, you've been around at my hometown.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you mean you've seen these ladies? Rough? Dude. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're hard up and you're trying to look for

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<v Speaker 2>a girl, and you you a dumb Bible Belt boy,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna get a lot farther with a Pentecostal girl

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<v Speaker 2>than you're gonna get with an Amish or a Menna

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<v Speaker 2>nite girl. I can tell you that right now. Son,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's let's see if we can find us a good

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<v Speaker 2>men of night girl over here in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 5>Good old rocket up rocketdup.

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<v Speaker 2>Tanna See here's some men of night girls. But I

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<v Speaker 2>But when you go to Tennessee, I don't usually see

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<v Speaker 2>Menna night girls under about two hundred three hundred pounds,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe four hundred three to four hundred pounds. So this

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<v Speaker 2>is a little more This is a little more close

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<v Speaker 2>to home here. Anyway, I'm being silly, I'm joking around.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the origins of all this stuff, which I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 2>The United Pentecostal Church and the Pentecostal assemblies became one

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<v Speaker 2>modalist Pentecostal goobers in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So there's that. I guess that's enough of the

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<v Speaker 2>Azuza Street. Right, we got the basics of it. Let's

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<v Speaker 9>Hey, j Crin.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, just so, yeah, I just wanted to kind of

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<v Speaker 9>Talking about with the Muslim thing. At the beginning.

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<v Speaker 12>And also this evangelical they called in who they have

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<v Speaker 12>that those were Christian.

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<v Speaker 9>Places and that's the second oldest Orthodox.

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<v Speaker 12>sure he's been blown up. But as far as what

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<v Speaker 12>he said about the and this is why you reacted and.

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<v Speaker 9>You said, that's a lie. Orthodox people don't do that.

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<v Speaker 12>Cool, you know, and you're on I know you're on YouTube,

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<v Speaker 12>so we can't get into the JQ thing too much.

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<v Speaker 12>But like in a lot of those spaces where people

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<v Speaker 12>tax funded, legalized invasion of the West. Uh, there are

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<v Speaker 12>a bunch of people who even have Orthodox icon like

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<v Speaker 12>we were talking about last time as their picture and

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<v Speaker 12>they're literally Muslims.

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<v Speaker 9>And like I literally.

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<v Speaker 12>Jumped in there and the moment I brought up that

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<v Speaker 12>you know, Christians are not to unite with Muslims, I

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<v Speaker 12>get shot down and muted.

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<v Speaker 9>And they're like all like they just cuss you out,

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<v Speaker 9>like you want to dog.

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<v Speaker 2>Observe the way you're saying that a bunch of Muslims

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<v Speaker 2>are creating fake Orthodox profiles literally.

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<v Speaker 12>And then there's even one guy. He has like one

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<v Speaker 12>hundred and thirty eight polarists. I won't call him out

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<v Speaker 12>by name, but it would be I would pay money

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<v Speaker 12>for you to.

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<v Speaker 4>Talk to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well why not, but we need to see who these

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, well so he's basically like a humanist.

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<v Speaker 12>But he got he got really mad when I accused

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<v Speaker 12>him of being Aunanist Orthodox Cannonist. But right after this conversation, interestingly,

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<v Speaker 12>he changed his name from not being Orthodox Cannist anymore.

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<v Speaker 9>And it's always been that. So there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>like fake ass.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry, are you talking about the guy that well, hold on,

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<v Speaker 2>he's not Muslim? You talking about the guy that's on

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<v Speaker 2>World War now? Yeah, how is he fake?

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<v Speaker 13>Well?

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<v Speaker 12>No, he might he may be, Like so he and

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<v Speaker 12>in these groups there's like three other people who are like,

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<v Speaker 12>you cannot mention anything about Muslims or they will like

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<v Speaker 12>mute you and.

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<v Speaker 9>Shut you down. And he he does.

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<v Speaker 4>He may.

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<v Speaker 9>I think he's like you know, born sometimes maybe like

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<v Speaker 9>the converts.

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<v Speaker 2>You must you might be talking about somebody different. Orthodox

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<v Speaker 2>Cannonist is not Arab and he's not pro Muslim. I've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen him be pro Muslim in fact, like hold on.

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<v Speaker 9>He'll say, like we shouldn't be focusing hold.

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<v Speaker 2>On, he's in the chat. He's in the chat. So

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking about Dimitri?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, like you should bring him up?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you want to. It seems like he remember

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<v Speaker 2>that we we can't talk about uh, you know, too

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<v Speaker 2>much stuff that would you know, we're on YouTube. So Dmitri,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want.

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<v Speaker 4>To come up the other?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>How would he be Muslim's names Dmitri and that that's

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<v Speaker 2>a Russian name.

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<v Speaker 12>No, no, no, I'm not saying he's Muslim, But like he'll

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<v Speaker 12>get into the minute shop when the Chechenians had to

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<v Speaker 12>team up with the Orthodox and ignore all of the

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<v Speaker 12>other historical times where we had to impale ten thousand

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<v Speaker 12>of them, you know what I mean. And it just

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<v Speaker 12>you know, probably has a lot of Muslim followers, so

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<v Speaker 12>you won't really like talk about how we're not to

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<v Speaker 12>you know, in my opinion, we shouldn't be aligning with

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<v Speaker 12>Muslims because they have a false version of Christ.

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<v Speaker 9>And then the other two Orthodox.

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<v Speaker 12>People in the group wouldn't even say that Islam is

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<v Speaker 12>an heretical cult from the seventh century, Like they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 12>even even say that.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of people like, well, who are

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<v Speaker 2>the other people in the group You're not talking about Conrad.

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<v Speaker 2>Conrad would say that no, no.

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<v Speaker 9>No, okay. So one of them's name was Doc and

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<v Speaker 9>he has literally.

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<v Speaker 14>The as his as his uh like photo or whatever

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<v Speaker 14>his PfP, and he's like, he'll scream at you and

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<v Speaker 14>call you a dog if you say anything about Islam,

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<v Speaker 14>and so well, anyways, my point is I didn't and

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<v Speaker 14>I'll talk to Ernetria.

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<v Speaker 12>I'm down at disgusting because we talked for like an

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<v Speaker 12>hour and a half. So I wasn't trying to like

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<v Speaker 12>throw them under the bus, but I mean, I'll definitely

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<v Speaker 12>stand up for what I'm saying. I think it's weird

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<v Speaker 12>that they're like letting these Muslims kind of like it's

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<v Speaker 12>the JQ thing.

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<v Speaker 9>So I don't want to get too deep into it,

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<v Speaker 9>but you know, the destruction of the West through legalized.

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<v Speaker 12>Invasion and then it's all about like teaming up with

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<v Speaker 12>the Muslims.

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<v Speaker 9>So I find your respect.

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<v Speaker 15>Switch Jay's streams are not a place for you to

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<v Speaker 15>vent your schizophrenic babble. Okay, he just spiked up integospels, okay,

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<v Speaker 15>and the trouble they were bringing into in the so

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<v Speaker 15>called Christianity. You're essentially committing the same vicens here. Okay, No,

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<v Speaker 15>not at all, I mean misinformation.

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<v Speaker 12>Okay, Well, did you not notice that the other people

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<v Speaker 12>in that and the group were pretending to the Orthodox,

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<v Speaker 12>they wouldn't renounce Islam as a false theoretical religion.

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<v Speaker 9>Like can you not agree with that?

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<v Speaker 15>Your spreading misinformation hereything, I'm saying things that I am

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<v Speaker 15>not okay for all? In some purposes, you are a schizophrenic.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm looking. He's just attacking my character. But how many

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<v Speaker 9>how many foo? So yeah, he's not going to stand up,

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<v Speaker 9>stand up, cares about what you think. Okay, period, I'm

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<v Speaker 9>talking to j right Now've been a.

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<v Speaker 12>Fan of Jays for a long time, and I think, uh,

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<v Speaker 12>I think you're disingenuous, to be quite honest. Anyways, if

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<v Speaker 12>Dmitri may be uh Orthodox by birth, but it seems

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<v Speaker 12>to me he's like very humanist.

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<v Speaker 9>But anyways, I didn't want to get too far into him.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm down to.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so uh, I mean I've never again, I've not

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<v Speaker 2>heard Dimitria ever be a humanist, So that to me

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<v Speaker 2>sounds odd because usually he's calling out like what's his name?

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<v Speaker 2>That uh, Jackson Hinkel. I've seen him call that out

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. I don't know, so that that would be

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<v Speaker 2>odd to me, that he's a humanist.

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<v Speaker 9>So yeah, well I recorded the whole thing, and I

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<v Speaker 9>guess I could send a Q.

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<v Speaker 2>Well hold on, So, Dimitri Demetri, I'm not accusing you,

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<v Speaker 2>but would you like to address that because it just

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<v Speaker 2>seems odd.

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<v Speaker 9>He's essentially lying, that's all. I'll say, Well, what's the lie?

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<v Speaker 6>Like, what did I say that it's a lie?

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<v Speaker 12>Because none of the people who are saying that Orthodox

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<v Speaker 12>would renounce Islam. You said that that wouldn't be a

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<v Speaker 12>that would be an Orthodox belief that I would renounce isla.

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<v Speaker 15>You are actually which is which is hilarious that you

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<v Speaker 15>would do that on Jay's stream.

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<v Speaker 9>Not sure why, but I think it's important.

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<v Speaker 12>I think it's important. There's a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 12>are upset about what's happening in Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, you know, to main sure you don't

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<v Speaker 2>like Islam? Would I can't imagine.

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<v Speaker 15>It isn't even a heresy. It's essentially a pagan sick.

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<v Speaker 15>I don't even want to call it a heresy. It's

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<v Speaker 15>extremely it's worse than Gnosticism essentially.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 12>So anyways, when I brought that up in that group,

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<v Speaker 12>all I did was get muted and shot down. And

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<v Speaker 12>then he after they removed me, which later we did

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<v Speaker 12>have a Yeah, we had a second conversation. He straight

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<v Speaker 12>up was like, he seems like a hobbyist. He's probably

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<v Speaker 12>a jew infiltrator. So I think that's kind of weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean what he just said, he denounced Islam

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<v Speaker 2>right there, So what's the problem.

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<v Speaker 9>No, that's no problem. That's cool.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean that's why I support. But there was other

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<v Speaker 12>Orthodox people in the group. Truth Teller says he's Orthodox,

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<v Speaker 12>and Doc says the Orthodox he has a icon as well.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't even know what group you're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have time to follow all being all the groups.

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<v Speaker 2>So like, what do you do you have a point

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<v Speaker 2>about like Pentecostalism and charismatic stuff.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, you know, yeah, I just think it all ties

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<v Speaker 12>into the Pentecostals don't have any like understanding of history

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<v Speaker 12>at all. So of course he would say we can't

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<v Speaker 12>be pro Palestine and all that kind of stuff. But no,

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<v Speaker 12>I mean that was I think it's I think it's

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<v Speaker 12>kind of weird that he won't anyways. No, I mean

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<v Speaker 12>I kind of had a whole I've recorded the whole conversation.

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<v Speaker 12>But there's a lot of people angry young men about

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<v Speaker 12>what's happening to Europe, and then the Muslim that want

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<v Speaker 12>to be like but other you don't do a big

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<v Speaker 12>ally and then yeah, so I think that's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, did meet your anything You want to comment

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<v Speaker 2>there on that?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 9>No, I only came up because I was listening to

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<v Speaker 9>the space Jay.

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<v Speaker 15>You're doing great. It's an amazing space thus far. But

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<v Speaker 15>I would just yeah, icon't comment on the redundant commentary

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<v Speaker 15>of these three hundred followischizophrenics here on the X.

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<v Speaker 4>I really wouldn't be.

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<v Speaker 15>I don't usually communicate with them, but in any case,

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<v Speaker 15>we'll good have a great stream.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks. Uh, Mike, what's up?

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<v Speaker 16>Man?

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing?

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<v Speaker 11>What's what I mean?

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<v Speaker 12>Hey, Jake?

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<v Speaker 9>Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 4>Sir? Okay?

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<v Speaker 9>How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Happy?

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<v Speaker 9>Eastern?

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<v Speaker 2>Likewise? What's up?

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<v Speaker 17>I had a question and I was wondering if it's

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<v Speaker 17>about transubstantiation. I noticed in a conversation that a Roman

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<v Speaker 17>Catholic and an Orthodox person we're having where the author.

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<v Speaker 17>The Orthodox person was, and I can't remember the context

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<v Speaker 17>exactly of the conversation, but he said that he said,

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<v Speaker 17>this is a quote Roman Catholicism makes up a full

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<v Speaker 17>fault in the name of clarity, transubstantiation, for instance, And

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<v Speaker 17>I've never heard that from an Orthodox before, saying that,

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<v Speaker 17>you know that transperstantiation is an invention of Roman Catholicism.

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<v Speaker 17>I always thought that it was just like we use

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<v Speaker 17>the word to describe like the Eucharist in a philosophical way,

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<v Speaker 17>and that you know, Chrystosom and Basil they talked about

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<v Speaker 17>transubstantiation as well.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know if you're able to like offer.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, the term itself is not a Patristic term,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't really even think that's a problem, because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, John Damascus uses similar types of terminology that's

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<v Speaker 2>translated in his writings as transstantiation. I think that where

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<v Speaker 2>as Orthodox we would have areas of like, well, we

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<v Speaker 2>don't go that far. Is that when you get into

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<v Speaker 2>the medieval scholastics like Aquinas, they start really trying to

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<v Speaker 2>define in some scientific way all kinds of things that

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<v Speaker 2>we just don't go there. We think it's more of

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<v Speaker 2>a mystery. So, for example, Rome has this position that

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<v Speaker 2>the the what is essential to the sacrament is matter,

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<v Speaker 2>form and attention, and that the sacrament is only confected

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<v Speaker 2>when the priest uh says the words of consecration. And so,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, we don't think that makes any sense because

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<v Speaker 2>the epiclesis is the calling down of the Holy Spirit.

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<v Speaker 2>But Rome doesn't believe that epiclyasis has anything to do

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<v Speaker 2>with the necessity of the consecration of the element. So

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<v Speaker 2>the medieval scholastics got very specific with all of these

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<v Speaker 2>kind of scientific approaches, and we don't go that far,

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<v Speaker 2>but we don't necessarily have a problem with the term

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<v Speaker 2>transsentiation itself.

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<v Speaker 9>No, okay, got it.

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<v Speaker 17>Also, you know, just just like you to know that

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<v Speaker 17>most of the Easter arguing with Bryson about the Trinity,

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<v Speaker 17>which he continues to deny and continues to display, you know,

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<v Speaker 17>the personality of you know, Arianism, which is weird because

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<v Speaker 17>I mean, I don't know, like you, we've done this

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<v Speaker 17>before with him, and I think we you know, you

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<v Speaker 17>did this to an extent with him on either a

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<v Speaker 17>couple of debates.

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<v Speaker 6>But is it just worth is it worth it with him?

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<v Speaker 2>Or is it just there's no I don't think there's

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<v Speaker 2>getting anyone getting where with anywhere with Bryson.

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<v Speaker 9>So yeah, it's kind of fat.

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<v Speaker 6>But what can you do anyway?

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<v Speaker 9>You have a good Easter.

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<v Speaker 2>You too might appreciate you coming on, and I hope

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<v Speaker 2>you and your family are well. Heisenberg. What's up man?

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<v Speaker 2>Read to cover the super chests culper cast two dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>This is my first PASCA. Thank you Fillion two pounds,

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<v Speaker 2>Christos and STV. I think we read that one. But

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<v Speaker 2>Marcus Antonio gifted ten memberships What's up man? In h

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<v Speaker 2>five bucks? In high school, my girlfriend's family went to

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<v Speaker 2>a church in Irvine. Oh, we read that the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who is prophet Ruckus McKinley, who played Funk. I'd actually

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<v Speaker 2>like to look that dudeo though, so sounds fun. David

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<v Speaker 2>James Flood gifted a membership was up Brandon Dinner two dollars, Jay,

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<v Speaker 2>What is the true nature of good and evil? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>evil doesn't have a nature. It's a private on nature,

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<v Speaker 2>So there is no nature of evil. But the nature

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<v Speaker 2>of good ultimately is God's nature, because God is the

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<v Speaker 2>highest ultimate good. And then created things have their created

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<v Speaker 2>natures and they are also good. But evil is not

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<v Speaker 2>and cannot be a nature because God made all natures

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<v Speaker 2>Brandon ten dollars. Again, I'm a Luciferian. Do you believe

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<v Speaker 2>that evil exists out of time? There is spiritual evil

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<v Speaker 2>because we believe that demons are spiritually evil, and they

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<v Speaker 2>are not necessarily in time. They can be, but they

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<v Speaker 2>also exist in a spiritual realm that is beyond our realm.

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<v Speaker 2>So I would say, yes, did we not manifest evil ourselves? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we would say that evil has two sources, both human

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<v Speaker 2>and angelic. So the angelic evil being the demons that

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<v Speaker 2>fell and continued to try to influence man, and man

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<v Speaker 2>when he choose is evil actions, he also is a

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<v Speaker 2>source of evil. So there's two sources of evil in

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<v Speaker 2>the world, man and ballen angels. Can the universe work

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<v Speaker 2>without an opposition? Yes? In fact, we believe that good

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<v Speaker 2>is not a dialectical thing that it necessitates evil. We

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<v Speaker 2>think that evil again is a privation and has no

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<v Speaker 2>being or substance. And so so the answer is yes,

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<v Speaker 2>did God create opposites? God created things that are oppositional,

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<v Speaker 2>you could say, in the sense of like man and

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<v Speaker 2>woman or night and day. But there is not a

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<v Speaker 2>created thing called evil. That would be Manicheanism to say

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<v Speaker 2>that evil has existence or substance, and we would be

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<v Speaker 2>we're not duellists. Mister who cares five dollars, take give

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<v Speaker 2>of your work. He has risen. Thank you, Brandon Jenner Jade.

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<v Speaker 2>You know that Islam is scheduled for extinction. Lucifer does

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<v Speaker 2>not want them for the New World. I think that

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<v Speaker 2>Lucifer does a lot with Islam, so I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I believe that inverted big to five dollars. I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen Muslims doing woodoo at truck stop bathrooms and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not rocketing in the sink. We'll get used to it

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<v Speaker 2>because you're going to see a lot more of it.

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<v Speaker 2>DeAndre Onsen ten dollars. I am seeing mixed signs of

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<v Speaker 2>growth in Orthodoxy, if you mean like some parishes are

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<v Speaker 2>growing and others are dying. Yeah, I went to last

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<v Speaker 2>year with the FDA. We ended up at a huge

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<v Speaker 2>Greek basically like a cathedral is huge and there's like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty people in there. So you know, ro Corps parishes,

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<v Speaker 2>Serbian churches, Antiochian churches, some of the OSAA churches, they're

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<v Speaker 2>basically exploding at the seams. But these boomer Normie docks

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<v Speaker 2>churches are dying, David Murdoch are five dollars. I live

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<v Speaker 2>in a Mormon theocracy. You do not want cult strongholds.

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<v Speaker 2>Whether it's Mormons or Muslims. It should concern people, I agree,

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<v Speaker 2>David Rachel Wilson three month membership. Andrew agrees that Islam

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<v Speaker 2>is a huge threat. Everybody is ignoring it. They're spurgaging

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<v Speaker 2>about other Middle Eastern countries, and he wants to do

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<v Speaker 2>more debates with the Muslim I think that, look, all

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<v Speaker 2>these issues are issues, right, so.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>People are like losing their minds that we're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>figure out who the ultimate issue is and all these

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<v Speaker 2>things are issues. So, you know, that's a good question.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure what the I guess everybody has different

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<v Speaker 2>you know, callings and gifts, right, Like, like some people

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<v Speaker 2>are just super good at that debating Islam and you

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<v Speaker 2>know they can keep doing that, I guess, and other

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<v Speaker 2>people are really good, you know, with debating atheists or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>Protestants or whatever. So we all have different gifts. So

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's a tough question as to how

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<v Speaker 2>to navigate all this. Ah Brosey three month member, shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to great Bob, Great Bob, you mean Bob Soco.

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<v Speaker 2>Bob been at it with sand monks for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel bad for him. He started his campaign and

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, so you must be talking about Bob in

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<v Speaker 2>the UK. He's watched his country get incrementally taken over. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean when I first did the interview with Bob

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<v Speaker 2>that Lewis set up back in twenty eighteen, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that probably England's gotten a lot worse. So there's just

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<v Speaker 2>there's just no easy answers here because you know, like

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<v Speaker 2>there's not what's the word am we for? There's not

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<v Speaker 2>synagogues being set up everywhere, right, but I see mosques everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can argue that moss are kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>synagogue because one of those rabbis said something like, what's

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<v Speaker 2>this what's the term he uses? Islam is the broom

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel or something like that, in other words, Islam,

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<v Speaker 2>and that it's like they're fine to let Islam like

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<v Speaker 2>destroy the West, and you know, you guys take all

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<v Speaker 2>these hamas refugees, we don't want them, right, this kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff, So you know, there's just there's no easy

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<v Speaker 2>answers to any of these problems. I don't I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what the answer. But like I'm over

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<v Speaker 2>here trying to read all this crazy stuff and make

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<v Speaker 2>sense of it. I've got two two Masad text that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm right in the middle of. I just got four

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<v Speaker 2>chapters into John Stockwell's book, which is all which is

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<v Speaker 2>brand new. We're gonna be going through this because I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know anything about the CIA's operations in Africa, so

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious. And so this book is by the guy

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<v Speaker 2>who was the chief of the CIA task force in Angola.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna be going through John Stockwell's I'm already

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<v Speaker 2>like sixty pages in and it's pretty good. Also interesting

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<v Speaker 2>is Kissinger calling the shots all throughout all this, which

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<v Speaker 2>is fascinating. This will give us a background into africam

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<v Speaker 2>which you probably have heard me mention. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>got Paul Williams's older book, which is not as good

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<v Speaker 2>as his Gladio book, because I think this was his

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<v Speaker 2>first one. He wrote this prior to the Gladio book.

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<v Speaker 2>I've read three two other chapters of it about it exposed,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's got some good angles so far on stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that's not in the Gladio book, Like, for example, this

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<v Speaker 2>has a whole history of the Vatican Bank and where

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<v Speaker 2>it arose from. You know who started it, what's the

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<v Speaker 2>whole background of that. So that's mentioned in passing in

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<v Speaker 2>the gladiobook. So this is gonna be a good one

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<v Speaker 2>to do too. But yeah, I'm really excited about I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the Strowski's books are fascinating, but I'm really excited also

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<v Speaker 2>about the CIA operations in Africa are pretty wild. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll put it this way. I'm gonna be debating AP

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<v Speaker 2>and we are debating specifically CIA and Western intelligence use

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<v Speaker 2>of I S and al Q And I've already found

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<v Speaker 2>some moremo in John Stockwell for the big T word.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's going to be a fun debate. June. Second,

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<v Speaker 2>mister who cares five dollars, thank you for your work. Jay.

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<v Speaker 2>He has risen? Indeed he is? Am I correct that?

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<v Speaker 2>When I was amongst the Antiochians, they would say indeed

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<v Speaker 2>he has risen, or he has risen indeed, And then

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<v Speaker 2>if you're amongst the Russians, they say, truly he has risen.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I correct on that? Or am I crazy? People?

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<v Speaker 2>In the chat, you guys can help me on on that,

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<v Speaker 2>because my mind usually like goes back to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Pasca amongst Antiochians, and I'm pretty sure everybody says he

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<v Speaker 2>has risen indeed or indeed he has risen. And then

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<v Speaker 2>if you're amongst the Russians, the Russians all say truly,

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<v Speaker 2>he's risen. And then and then the Russians think that

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<v Speaker 2>you're an idiot because you say indeed he's risen. It's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't just make that up. That's actually just what

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<v Speaker 2>the Antiochians do. So do we have any Antiochians in

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<v Speaker 2>the chat? Do we do?

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<v Speaker 9>Y'all?

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<v Speaker 2>Still? Am I just misremembering Oca Parish we say indeed?

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<v Speaker 2>I see, I knew that there was some indeeds we

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<v Speaker 2>say truly at the Greek Church. I mean, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal, it doesn't matter. But I'm just I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just trying to figure out if I'm misremembering or if oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the Antiochians at your parents say truly. Interesting, Oh you

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<v Speaker 2>said truly? Okay, Well maybe now one person said indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's maybe that was the oka we say indeed

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<v Speaker 2>in Texas. Interesting. I know it's the same. I'm just curious.

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<v Speaker 2>We at the Antiochians say indeed, I see. I thought so.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that was what I remembered. And then people

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<v Speaker 2>were probably like, who is this idiot? Guy doesn't say

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<v Speaker 2>thru ly say is Indeed, no one says indeed, this

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<v Speaker 2>idiot theater we say indeed. At my OCA parish, Rachel

637
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<v Speaker 2>says that my Antiochian parish, everyone says indeed, I thought so. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't really matter. It's just something that I was

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<v Speaker 2>curious about last night because I was like, am I crazy?

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<v Speaker 2>Or that I remember us saying this at the end

641
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<v Speaker 2>took in church. Let's see Mateo? What Matteo? The gentleman

642
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.559
<v Speaker 2>and scholar. That's a name right there. What books do

643
00:38:27.599 --> 00:38:29.840
<v Speaker 2>you recommend for a Catholic looking into Orthodoxy? I would

644
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:34.679
<v Speaker 2>read Michael Welton's Two Paths, and I would read Mystical

645
00:38:34.679 --> 00:38:37.159
<v Speaker 2>Theology of the Eastern Church by Lawsky. Those are two

646
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<v Speaker 2>of the most accessible works on the two key doctrines

647
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:46.679
<v Speaker 2>of the papacy and the energies. Nick Clinton ten dollars.

648
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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for being an example of boldness. I appreciate

649
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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you well. Thanks man christ Is Rhythm Indeed, H.

650
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<v Speaker 2>Brosie five dollars I have never objectively seen an Orthodox

651
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:03.000
<v Speaker 2>man defending Muslims and his this sounds like a Catholic. Yeah. See,

652
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<v Speaker 2>this is like what a lot of trad cats do.

653
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<v Speaker 2>So I'm like, I've seen trad cats do that. I

654
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<v Speaker 2>don't know it. Now. We heard the evangelical guy originally right,

655
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<v Speaker 2>He was saying that if you're critical of Israeli actions,

656
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<v Speaker 2>then that means you're pro Muslim. No, no, no, no, that's a

657
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<v Speaker 2>false conclusion. I can be critical of both Hamas and

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<v Speaker 2>the actions of the Israeli government and not be pro

659
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<v Speaker 2>Islam or pro Muslim as you see that. This is

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<v Speaker 2>all like basic bitch dialectics, dude, Pelagonian Lion ten A's

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<v Speaker 2>Thursday is four day Pagan's exposed. Is that really though?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't actually know that, Is that true or I

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<v Speaker 2>can't tell if that's true? You're joking. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I forgot to mention on Astare. I got all distracted

665
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<v Speaker 2>from hours ago. Let's see if that's actually true, because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't actually even know if that is the case. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so let's go to Easter and the I'm gonna show

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<v Speaker 2>you what I was trying to say to her about

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<v Speaker 2>Ostare Okay, Yostare is the Anglo Saxon goddess mentioned by Bede,

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<v Speaker 2>Saint Bede in his eighth century work Reckoning of Time.

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote that the Pagan Anglo Saxons held feasts in

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<v Speaker 2>her honor and named after her, and in April this

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<v Speaker 2>became the English name for the postle season of Easter. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so remember we said that this was a name that

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<v Speaker 2>was used for this time period of spring, right April

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<v Speaker 2>right here, so the Pagan Germanic Anglo Saxon. I thought

677
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<v Speaker 2>it was Germanic. It's actually Anglo Saxon. Excuse me, when

678
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<v Speaker 2>actually down here says Germany. So let's see. The old

679
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<v Speaker 2>High German name for April was a star month or

680
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<v Speaker 2>Starmont Monoth, which was similar to the Germanic goddess Astera.

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<v Speaker 2>The theory is that it's supported by descriptions to the

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<v Speaker 2>goddess blah blah blah found in Germany. The point that

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<v Speaker 2>I made was that this is a name for a

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<v Speaker 2>time period. Okay, let's look at the actual word and

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<v Speaker 2>its origin. These are cognates. They are derived from the

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<v Speaker 2>Proto Germanic, so it actually I'm right about that is Germanic.

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<v Speaker 2>In terms of the words root and what is it

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<v Speaker 2>the word for? Well, yes, it refers to a goddess,

689
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<v Speaker 2>like January refers to Genus. However, it is a time period. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>When Charlemagne defeated and converted the continental Saxons to Christianity,

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<v Speaker 2>he gave Germanic names to the Latin months, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the Easter month of Austarmannoth. Okay, that's exactly what I

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<v Speaker 2>told her. So it's a word for a time period.

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<v Speaker 2>Once the people are Christianized, the word now refers to

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<v Speaker 2>the time period, just like January. And it doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>about some goddess. That's it. It's that simple. And let's see.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's here's what Bede says, the famous church historian Bead

698
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<v Speaker 2>Venerable Bead. It is the anglos Acts a name for April.

699
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<v Speaker 2>There you go, that's it. It was a name for April,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was a pagan name for April. Yeah, so

701
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<v Speaker 2>what like January exactly, does anyone think of April now

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<v Speaker 2>as goddess month? No, no one does. Everyone now thinks

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<v Speaker 2>of April as Pasca or passover. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>People getting hung up on words and acting like Jordan Maxwell,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, which if you're familiar with this goober boomer

706
00:43:37.719 --> 00:43:44.960
<v Speaker 2>conspiracy man, his whole grift is built on idiotic conspiracies

707
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<v Speaker 2>based on word concept fallacies. I'm not kidding.

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<v Speaker 5>The word the word Easta is the goddess Astarra. The

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<v Speaker 5>word is the same the using spells casting what spells

710
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<v Speaker 5>on you?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, just the lowest tier idiotic nonsense. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>I will be live in two days if you are

713
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<v Speaker 2>in the Florida area, if you'd like to come to

714
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<v Speaker 2>my live event metapolitics, god, Hollywood, technology, sexperis and orthodoxy

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to talk, because I know everybody's gonna come,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't mind. It's just that like everybody's gonna come

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<v Speaker 2>and ask the questions about orthodox stuff, which is fine. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't care if you want to come ask about that.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a short notice event, so the tickets are

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<v Speaker 2>pretty cheap, and you can get tickets right here if

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<v Speaker 2>you want to come to the Conservative it's a conservative

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<v Speaker 2>political group that's invited me to speak in Tallahassee Tuesday, Yes, Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>April twenty second. You can get tickets right there. It's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be fun. It's about a two hour talk. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>do a talk for hour, then we'll do some Q

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<v Speaker 2>and A for an hour. All right, where was that at? Oh? Thursday?

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<v Speaker 2>Is this true or is this nonsense? I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know is Thursday Thursday?

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<v Speaker 9>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like it is interesting. I did not know

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<v Speaker 2>that Thunr's day.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, Thu thurs Day, old English god Thunor.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I guess we can't. We can't talk about Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>We can't talk about Thursday.

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<v Speaker 4>They're all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all we're all worshiping the demons like evangelicals. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>They're just so it's hard not to well, I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>honest with like, tonight today I struggled, like and if

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<v Speaker 2>you see me booting people or like moving on, it's

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't want to get to the stage where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm losing my patience. And if somebody's obtuse for like

742
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<v Speaker 2>thirty minutes straight and even after that, I show them

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<v Speaker 2>the problems in the position and they just keep reasserting

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<v Speaker 2>like they're in some kind of mental loop. They're in

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<v Speaker 2>a glitch. I gotta move on, man, because I'll just

746
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<v Speaker 2>lose my patience and then everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, we got him.

748
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<v Speaker 2>He lost patience.

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<v Speaker 5>He's so evil And me look at him, look at him,

750
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<v Speaker 5>and look at you.

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00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:29.440
<v Speaker 18>There we got.

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<v Speaker 2>Him, even though I guarantee you, like everybody else in

753
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<v Speaker 2>the world, would eventually lose their patients with somebody being

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<v Speaker 2>obtuse and caught in a glitch for thirty minutes straight

755
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<v Speaker 2>or an hour straight, like the Protestant guy the other night.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time I would show a counter example, he would

757
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<v Speaker 2>move the goalposts and his followers are.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, Oh, you got you, dude, He got you, dude.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up, Heisenberg?

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<v Speaker 4>What's up? J How you doing good?

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<v Speaker 2>What's up?

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<v Speaker 19>I just had a question on your your argument about

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<v Speaker 19>how like the papacy is circular and how it actually

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<v Speaker 19>like how it is like it has the same problem

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<v Speaker 19>that it tries to like fix with Protestantism, that is,

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<v Speaker 19>like there's like this problem of like interpretation, how you're

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<v Speaker 19>gonna interpret the pope and just in that whole but

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<v Speaker 19>type of problem, And I was wondering how how would

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<v Speaker 19>the Orthodox answer, like, how would the Orthodox be excused

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<v Speaker 19>from that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because the Roman Catholic system is based on classical foundationalism

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<v Speaker 2>as a specific approach to evidentialism, to temism, to how

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<v Speaker 2>all of these questions are solved? And you can't be

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<v Speaker 2>a paradigm level, circular, recursive type of person if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a Roman Catholic.

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<v Speaker 9>All right, got it? Thank you?

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<v Speaker 19>And Also I was wondering if like, because honestly, these spaces, man,

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<v Speaker 19>I think you like, I think you beat the X

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<v Speaker 19>level like spaces.

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<v Speaker 9>I think you like.

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<v Speaker 19>I think maybe if you like, try more TikTok, I mean,

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<v Speaker 19>like you could debate people like allegedly ean or like

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<v Speaker 19>the Orthodox Muslim because like I feel like if you

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<v Speaker 19>were to go on TikTok, you would get like a

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<v Speaker 19>clip every single like.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean I've done many TikTok lives. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>not seen them?

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<v Speaker 9>I have? I have not, but I think, like.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the problem. The problem is that the TikTok lives

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<v Speaker 2>and invasions are even worse than here or YouTube. It's

792
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<v Speaker 2>it's even more challenging because the people are a grade

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<v Speaker 2>dumber on average and a grade more extreme. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>even more difficult than here. So I have to really struggle.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up branding?

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Brandon with can you hear me? All right?

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<v Speaker 20>So my my dad's side was born and raised through history.

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<v Speaker 20>I'm doing a lot of research here against well, looking

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<v Speaker 20>we were dealt. His side of the family was from Galician.

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<v Speaker 20>I know that they're very close to Antioch. I just

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<v Speaker 20>wanted to know where. And then my mom is straight

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<v Speaker 20>three generations from Italy, so she's Catholic.

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<v Speaker 2>Is well, you know what.

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<v Speaker 20>So I'm trying to find my own path here and

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<v Speaker 20>I'm kind of struggling. Can you just give me an

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<v Speaker 20>advice on where to go to find some more information.

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<v Speaker 9>On that topic?

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<v Speaker 20>Like Galician Antioch versus their beliefs and Catholicism.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you mean. Well, when you say

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<v Speaker 2>their beliefs, who are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 20>The Catholic beliefs on the Galatians and Catholics. I guess

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<v Speaker 20>you could call it Roman Catholic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, when you do you know the church in Galicia

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<v Speaker 2>or just the place the.

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<v Speaker 20>Church of Galatia, like Galician churches and Antioch churches.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean Orthodox churches descend from Antioch, Okay, Like

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<v Speaker 2>Peter sets up the church at Antioch, okay and acts right. So,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean I just don't I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>so like you're talking about like the history of the

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<v Speaker 2>history of the Celts.

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<v Speaker 20>I mean right, I'm just trying to get further back

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<v Speaker 20>to where I'm at right now.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm kind of like at the point of when Paul

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<v Speaker 6>was on his route and journey and when all when.

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<v Speaker 20>He came to the Kingdom of Galatia and started spreading

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<v Speaker 20>the word there, and I want to get to the

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<v Speaker 20>point before that.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know where to go to get to the history.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm not I don't have any kind

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<v Speaker 2>of expertise or specialty in those niche areas. So I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not trying to be dismissive rude. I just don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you could find somebody who's a historian of

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<v Speaker 2>that region, but I don't know. Munachi, John, what's up? John?

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<v Speaker 9>And John?

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<v Speaker 4>You yeah? Can uh huh cool.

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<v Speaker 13>Yesterday I talked with somebody and they are Unitarian, and

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<v Speaker 13>I have not really talked to a Unitarian before. But

839
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<v Speaker 13>basically I'm trying to see, like, are they still Christian?

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<v Speaker 9>And this is that God?

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<v Speaker 2>No, you can't be a Christian and deny the Trinity

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<v Speaker 2>or the d Christ.

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<v Speaker 9>Okay, That's what I'm thinking.

844
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<v Speaker 2>And if you scroll back to about an hour back,

845
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<v Speaker 2>we had a pretty lengthy discussion with a modalist Unitarian person.

846
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<v Speaker 2>So I would say, scroll back and check that out. Gurr,

847
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<v Speaker 2>what's up?

848
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<v Speaker 9>Man?

849
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<v Speaker 21>Hey, hey, so you abandoned the patristic calendar, the very

850
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<v Speaker 21>what they the.

851
00:51:53.440 --> 00:51:59.880
<v Speaker 9>Father by the saints because the world.

852
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:12.000
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good job, Marcel. What's up Marcel? What's up? Dude?

853
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<v Speaker 2>I'm mute.

854
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<v Speaker 4>Jesus Christ, brother Jack, can you hear me? Christis Ersten?

855
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<v Speaker 2>Indeed, he's yeah, how does like?

856
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<v Speaker 22>I also like, I mean this is something recently, like

857
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<v Speaker 22>you know a lot of Bisley at the multiomensional people,

858
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<v Speaker 22>they asked.

859
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<v Speaker 9>You like, oh you're orthodogs.

860
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:37.119
<v Speaker 4>Oh that means you are pro hamas or propelsty.

861
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<v Speaker 22>I've seen this like like recently, like the first I

862
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<v Speaker 22>think it was the first or the second guy who

863
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<v Speaker 22>just called it.

864
00:52:46.639 --> 00:52:49.519
<v Speaker 7>The one thing they don't understand is right, not any

865
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:53.000
<v Speaker 7>person who is rational like the other rational flock would

866
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<v Speaker 7>ever support an ideology that looks you tasted kill your grape.

867
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<v Speaker 7>So even when there are some orthodogs pushed it.

868
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<v Speaker 2>There say okay, let's I'm on YouTube, so we can't

869
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<v Speaker 2>be talking about that stuff.

870
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<v Speaker 22>So yeah, So I just want to say even if

871
00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:08.719
<v Speaker 22>Christians say, like, oh, they're a proper listing that doesn't

872
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:11.639
<v Speaker 22>mean that you're saying we are Islam, right, I don't.

873
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<v Speaker 4>I don't think they did that.

874
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't think anybody anybody listens to to nuance.

875
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:24.679
<v Speaker 2>So I try to be I try to be I

876
00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:28.559
<v Speaker 2>try to be hyper charitable and hyper nuanced. Right to

877
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:37.320
<v Speaker 2>quote uh loft dog. But yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

878
00:53:37.519 --> 00:53:45.719
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm saying, Munachi, did we do you already?

879
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Vegan skills? Five dollars? Christos pilscrats? See what is the

880
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:57.079
<v Speaker 2>lady singing gibberish and banging on that piano? How would

881
00:53:57.119 --> 00:53:59.360
<v Speaker 2>that be a gift to the Holy Spirit? Yeah, that's

882
00:53:59.480 --> 00:54:02.519
<v Speaker 2>that's a are That was a bizarre proof from the

883
00:54:02.519 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Azusa Street Revival. Right, what's up?

884
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Man?

885
00:54:05.199 --> 00:54:11.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm mute? Now we got another man? Who is it?

886
00:54:11.920 --> 00:54:12.400
<v Speaker 4>Can you hear me?

887
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:13.159
<v Speaker 2>What's up?

888
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:14.880
<v Speaker 4>Thank you for having me back.

889
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:15.559
<v Speaker 9>I appreciate that.

890
00:54:15.599 --> 00:54:17.960
<v Speaker 23>Earlier today you mentioned that I was speaking from silence

891
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:22.320
<v Speaker 23>and that there's no mysterious language that individual individual could

892
00:54:22.320 --> 00:54:22.800
<v Speaker 23>speak when.

893
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:26.199
<v Speaker 4>We're when we were having it. Oh my gosh, how

894
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.559
<v Speaker 4>about you? Can you pull up one Korenthians fourteen.

895
00:54:29.280 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 2>Too literally listed when the first time you're on here,

896
00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:35.199
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned verse its fourteen I.

897
00:54:35.199 --> 00:54:37.599
<v Speaker 23>Know, I know about fourteen two specifically.

898
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:39.719
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned that when you came on the first time.

899
00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:42.480
<v Speaker 2>So goodbye, h BROSI what's up?

900
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:49.079
<v Speaker 9>Hey, what's subject?

901
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:50.400
<v Speaker 2>What's on your mind?

902
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:52.719
<v Speaker 24>Okay, yeah, Joy, I'm not going to have thank you

903
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:54.480
<v Speaker 24>you meant it's going to be real quick. Just because

904
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:57.840
<v Speaker 24>I heard that other guy say something about TikTok. Please

905
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.880
<v Speaker 24>don't ever don't ever do TikTok shreams again. Obviously, I've

906
00:55:00.880 --> 00:55:03.199
<v Speaker 24>been following you for years and years, so I've seen

907
00:55:03.239 --> 00:55:07.519
<v Speaker 24>every single every single TikTok stream you've done. Obviously, I

908
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:09.960
<v Speaker 24>think this idea comes from all I mean, any like

909
00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:13.079
<v Speaker 24>other than people just like actually using TikTok, which you

910
00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:15.880
<v Speaker 24>have to be retarded to do. Is uh. Obviously, Andrew's

911
00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:19.679
<v Speaker 24>TikTok TikTok streams are hilarious. They're funny or whatever. And

912
00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:26.960
<v Speaker 24>the way he goes in and you know, oh, oh Jake,

913
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:29.440
<v Speaker 24>you hear me? Yeah, all right, cool, Sorry I lost

914
00:55:29.440 --> 00:55:31.519
<v Speaker 24>connecting there for a second. The way he goes in

915
00:55:31.559 --> 00:55:34.440
<v Speaker 24>and you know, destroyed the leftis or whatever. That's great

916
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:37.599
<v Speaker 24>and all that's like, this is theology, so it's completely different,

917
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:41.239
<v Speaker 24>you know, Andrew he doesn't necessarily like recently he's gotten

918
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:43.840
<v Speaker 24>more into theology, but this is completely different from that.

919
00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:46.760
<v Speaker 24>And if anybody has seen your TikTok streams, it's just

920
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:50.400
<v Speaker 24>it's just feral. It's just feral dogs liked there's there's

921
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:53.079
<v Speaker 24>no point in that those people that the people that

922
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:56.719
<v Speaker 24>frequent TikTok tend to be significantly younger. So it's it's

923
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:58.960
<v Speaker 24>a complete waste of time, man, And it kind.

924
00:55:58.800 --> 00:55:59.280
<v Speaker 9>Of just business.

925
00:55:59.719 --> 00:56:03.360
<v Speaker 2>Tell people, it's like all it does is just gonna

926
00:56:03.400 --> 00:56:07.440
<v Speaker 2>get me like enraged with with idiots and then and

927
00:56:07.440 --> 00:56:09.199
<v Speaker 2>then people are gonna get mad saying I mean so

928
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:11.920
<v Speaker 2>there's it's just like a it's a cash twenty two.

929
00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:17.039
<v Speaker 24>So yeah, like a man for for whoever this this

930
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:21.199
<v Speaker 24>orthodox Muslim guy is that people get like obviously I

931
00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.079
<v Speaker 24>have no clue who this guy is. But every time

932
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:27.440
<v Speaker 24>these people, regardless if it's if it's you know, guys

933
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:31.440
<v Speaker 24>that actually do falling consistently or just randos on on

934
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:35.960
<v Speaker 24>YouTube or Twitter, every time somebody suggests like there and

935
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:38.920
<v Speaker 24>this isn't me just you know, like being obviously call

936
00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:40.760
<v Speaker 24>it like I tokingly call myself a diar, right, A

937
00:56:40.800 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 24>lot of us do. I'm not like I'm not glazing.

938
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:45.039
<v Speaker 2>You when I say it's get it's a joke.

939
00:56:45.119 --> 00:56:47.719
<v Speaker 24>Yeah yeah, yeah, but like uh, like what I'm about

940
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:49.599
<v Speaker 24>to say, I'm not glazing what I'm about to say either,

941
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:53.159
<v Speaker 24>Like they're just low tier compared like that, there's gonna

942
00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:55.280
<v Speaker 24>be nothing different. You're gonna get on You're gonna get

943
00:56:55.320 --> 00:56:56.840
<v Speaker 24>on the stream or get on their TikTok and they're

944
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.079
<v Speaker 24>gonna get on X. It's gonna be like three minutes

945
00:56:59.079 --> 00:57:01.440
<v Speaker 24>of you know, like some some of some decent back

946
00:57:01.480 --> 00:57:03.719
<v Speaker 24>and forth and then the heresy comes out or the

947
00:57:03.800 --> 00:57:07.039
<v Speaker 24>low tier bullshit that they that they back whatever clean

948
00:57:07.079 --> 00:57:08.480
<v Speaker 24>they have comes out with, Like it is a.

949
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:09.360
<v Speaker 9>Complete waste of time.

950
00:57:09.480 --> 00:57:12.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean I think that I've done probably five

951
00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:17.119
<v Speaker 2>multi hour and thank you for that. Appreciate that, h brother.

952
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:21.400
<v Speaker 2>I've done probably maybe five multi hour TikTok streams, and man,

953
00:57:21.440 --> 00:57:23.760
<v Speaker 2>it's a challenge, I'm telling you, Like it's hard for

954
00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:28.199
<v Speaker 2>me to remain patient with just it's like arguing with

955
00:57:28.280 --> 00:57:31.719
<v Speaker 2>thirteen year olds that are drunk and eating a bunch

956
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:36.760
<v Speaker 2>of candy. So it's like thirteen year olds that have

957
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.239
<v Speaker 2>sugar high and are drunk and then they're just insane,

958
00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:42.480
<v Speaker 2>like how far are you going to get into debate? Well,

959
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:44.840
<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's tough, James. What's up?

960
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:52.960
<v Speaker 19>Does truth evolve to match society?

961
00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:57.599
<v Speaker 2>It can in some sense, there's difference to the calendar. Okay,

962
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:00.000
<v Speaker 2>here we go, So why don't you just keep making more?

963
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Or all right? Cranky around? That was the guy that

964
00:58:04.800 --> 00:58:06.119
<v Speaker 2>called in the other day and I was like, are

965
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:10.880
<v Speaker 2>you ah, how old are you? And he's like a

966
00:58:11.039 --> 00:58:15.119
<v Speaker 2>new conrat right, and who interprets the cannons? Well, I mean, yeah,

967
00:58:15.119 --> 00:58:25.719
<v Speaker 2>I benshops, but John Smith, it's probably the same guy,

968
00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:28.280
<v Speaker 2>or it's the black guy. What's up John Smith?

969
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:30.039
<v Speaker 5>White boy?

970
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:32.639
<v Speaker 4>And white boy? Hello?

971
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Can you hear us? Indeed?

972
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:35.960
<v Speaker 4>Is?

973
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:37.239
<v Speaker 9>Uh?

974
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:39.320
<v Speaker 4>So? I had a couple of questions.

975
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<v Speaker 25>My first one was, you've mentioned a couple of times

976
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:48.480
<v Speaker 25>about a cannon that uh can't ride horses. But I

977
00:58:48.480 --> 00:58:50.360
<v Speaker 25>looked in the rudder and all I could find was

978
00:58:50.400 --> 00:58:53.440
<v Speaker 25>that they can't. You're not supposed to attend horse racist?

979
00:58:53.440 --> 00:58:54.480
<v Speaker 25>Is that the one you're referring to?

980
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:57.480
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. It's it's an example that FDA always

981
00:58:57.519 --> 00:58:59.679
<v Speaker 2>brings up, all right.

982
00:59:00.199 --> 00:59:03.639
<v Speaker 25>And my second question was I think you've talked about

983
00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:09.079
<v Speaker 25>the local cannon and how the Quinn Sex Council has

984
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.599
<v Speaker 25>several except the cans of several councils, so it accepts

985
00:59:12.639 --> 00:59:13.719
<v Speaker 25>several billigal cannons.

986
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:16.800
<v Speaker 4>But I think you've said that the one from Carthage

987
00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:20.599
<v Speaker 4>is the primary one. M h Uh, where is that?

988
00:59:21.079 --> 00:59:21.920
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't find that.

989
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:28.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm going for memory. I think it's mentioned in the

990
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:33.079
<v Speaker 2>it's either I think it's Trillo. It's Trillo that specifies

991
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:42.400
<v Speaker 2>that it's Carthage's cannon for Bible, and then until Trul

992
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:45.480
<v Speaker 2>I know, but I'm saying that it's also reaffirmed at

993
00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:48.199
<v Speaker 2>the Seventh Council. I know that quintessect is Trollo, but

994
00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:51.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure it's Trillo that mentions Carthage's cannons.

995
00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:57.719
<v Speaker 4>Right, what I'm saying, I don't like I look through.

996
00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:03.280
<v Speaker 25>Tru and see a distinction between Like, I don't think

997
01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 25>it talks about biblical canon at all.

998
01:00:04.599 --> 01:00:07.239
<v Speaker 2>It just it does though it mentions it mentioned, It

999
01:00:07.280 --> 01:00:13.119
<v Speaker 2>mentions the specific Carthaginian synods that it's reaffirming, and one

1000
01:00:13.159 --> 01:00:16.239
<v Speaker 2>of those is the one that lists the Biblical canon.

1001
01:00:20.440 --> 01:00:20.800
<v Speaker 9>Uh.

1002
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:27.000
<v Speaker 25>But what does that have to do with accepting lots

1003
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:30.599
<v Speaker 25>and abosol cans as well?

1004
01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, if if there's I'm saying that, let me see

1005
01:00:37.920 --> 01:00:49.679
<v Speaker 2>if I can pull it up here, right, h okay.

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01:00:49.719 --> 01:00:58.320
<v Speaker 2>It mentions at the beginning those of Chalcedon Sartaca and

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01:00:58.440 --> 01:01:02.400
<v Speaker 2>those of Carthage. And I think that it mentions at

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01:01:02.440 --> 01:01:05.280
<v Speaker 2>a certain place specifically, I'm going for memory, because I

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01:01:05.280 --> 01:01:07.360
<v Speaker 2>don't have it pulled up here. I think at a

1010
01:01:07.400 --> 01:01:11.519
<v Speaker 2>certain place it mentions which Carthaginian canons it refers to.

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01:01:12.679 --> 01:01:16.639
<v Speaker 2>It's like here it says the Father's assembled at Carthage showed.

1012
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:21.039
<v Speaker 2>You would probably have to look, like at a scholarly

1013
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:23.760
<v Speaker 2>text that would tell you which one is being referred

1014
01:01:23.800 --> 01:01:28.880
<v Speaker 2>to in Canon thirteen, So Canon two is it one

1015
01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:40.079
<v Speaker 2>or two two? And then thirteen and then twenty nine

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01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:49.599
<v Speaker 2>about the altar and the Eucharist, and Canon thirty two

1017
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:54.079
<v Speaker 2>mentions Carthage again. And I'm just I'm going from memory

1018
01:01:54.199 --> 01:01:58.480
<v Speaker 2>that I read a secondary source that talked about which

1019
01:01:58.639 --> 01:02:02.760
<v Speaker 2>of the Carthaginian councils this is referring to, because there's

1020
01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:07.159
<v Speaker 2>actually quite a few, and one of these is referring

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01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.400
<v Speaker 2>to the biblical canon.

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01:02:10.199 --> 01:02:15.280
<v Speaker 25>You're saying, So, for example, if it's the one nine

1023
01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:19.280
<v Speaker 25>says the carbon is starting about themisters of the older.

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01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:24.360
<v Speaker 2>You're saying that that could I'm saying that if you

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01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:28.960
<v Speaker 2>look at Canon two, it mentions Sartoca and those at Carthage, right,

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01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:38.800
<v Speaker 2>and then it mentions those under Nectarius, Archbishop of Alexandria. Likewise,

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01:02:38.840 --> 01:02:43.239
<v Speaker 2>the canons of Dionysius the Great City of Alexandria, and

1028
01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:48.119
<v Speaker 2>it mentions a bunch of other canonical lists basil Uh,

1029
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:58.079
<v Speaker 2>it mentions Cyril. If anyone should be convicted of innovating

1030
01:02:58.159 --> 01:03:02.639
<v Speaker 2>upon these canons, let him receive the canonical censure. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going from memory that this is referring to.

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<v Speaker 2>So not every Carthaginian synod is necessarily accepted because they're

1033
01:03:11.760 --> 01:03:15.840
<v Speaker 2>local synods, but you can find in secondary literature references

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01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:20.119
<v Speaker 2>to which Carthaginian synods that this is referring to, and

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01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:22.280
<v Speaker 2>one of those is referring to the Biblical canon.

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01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:26.360
<v Speaker 25>Yeah, I was just saying because earlier in that, like,

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01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:28.960
<v Speaker 25>I think it's two lines of it's talking about a

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01:03:28.960 --> 01:03:29.559
<v Speaker 25>lot to see.

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<v Speaker 9>You as well.

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01:03:31.559 --> 01:03:33.679
<v Speaker 2>Well, I would say that I would say that if

1041
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:39.440
<v Speaker 2>there's conflicting canonical lists of the canon of Scripture, then

1042
01:03:39.679 --> 01:03:42.599
<v Speaker 2>it stands to reason that it's it's going to be

1043
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:45.760
<v Speaker 2>as Orthodox you could argue that we have some a

1044
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:49.559
<v Speaker 2>loose canon, but the universal canon whether if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at like the fourth century, between the Apostolic Canons and

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<v Speaker 2>the Church of the Councils of Rome, you have a

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<v Speaker 2>universal acceptance in that whole century of all of the

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<v Speaker 2>douter canonical texts. So if the argument is that we're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for duter canonical proof, none of those conflicting canon

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<v Speaker 2>lists exclude the douter canonical texts. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 25>Yeah, it's just a question of a couple of books

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<v Speaker 25>I think between well, that's what I was looking at,

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<v Speaker 25>the difference between the Council Carthage that has the Biblical

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<v Speaker 25>canon and well, for example, there's the Senate Jerusalem of

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<v Speaker 25>sixteen seventy two or there. M well, it basically say

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<v Speaker 25>it's allowed to see you, plus these other duterical books that.

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<v Speaker 4>Allowed to see another man.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, I think, but that's that's kind of what

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, is like, basically no one accepted the Laodicean

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<v Speaker 2>canon or the the list that's laid down in Canon

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<v Speaker 2>D two or whatever, the Apisolic canons. So even though

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<v Speaker 2>those both list the doer canonical text like that, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just attestation to the acceptance of the deoconical text. What

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<v Speaker 2>eventually gets pretty much universally accepted is what we have

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<v Speaker 2>in the Orthodox Church today, because even John Damascus includes Clement,

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<v Speaker 2>like he thinks that Clement is part of the Canon Scripture.

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<v Speaker 2>So there was so even in John Damascus's day, there's

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<v Speaker 2>still somewhat of a degree of flexibility because it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like he's just looking at Canon fifty two of Apostolic Canons.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet understanding the minders saying.

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<v Speaker 25>I was just wondering if you had a source for

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<v Speaker 25>the primary say that a couple of times.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember where it's I've read it in some

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<v Speaker 2>some secondary literature. But even if that's incorrect, like, it's

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01:05:53.719 --> 01:05:57.960
<v Speaker 2>still pretty normative that do Orthodox Church accepts, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the douter canonical texts and in the Book of Revelation

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<v Speaker 2>and whatever. This variation is with John Damascus and Canon

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01:06:07.880 --> 01:06:09.719
<v Speaker 2>fifty two. Is it fifty two? I think it is

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<v Speaker 2>fifty two or is it eighty two? Excuse me of

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<v Speaker 2>absolute Yeah, it's the one that lists the the Canon Scripture.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm exchooseing eighty five, correct, Yeah, Like that's the

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<v Speaker 2>one that lists Clement versus Second Clement and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>list that John Damascus gives. So even in John Damascus's day,

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<v Speaker 2>he apparently thought that the canon of the Apostolic canons

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<v Speaker 2>was normative. But even at Quentessex Trollo like, you could

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<v Speaker 2>argue that it's not exactly clear that that's the canon

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<v Speaker 2>that's chosen. You could argue that it's It seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be that the church eventually just default. It's to the

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01:07:00.840 --> 01:07:06.719
<v Speaker 2>common canonical acceptance between East and West, which Canon eighty

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<v Speaker 2>five here does attest to the Deutero canon, but it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't attest to what the church accepts as the normative

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<v Speaker 2>New Testament. Does that make sense?

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<v Speaker 4>You're from Amocus, doesn't revolution?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>All right, yeah, they answer my questions.

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<v Speaker 9>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, let's see here.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't this guy thinks that I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>fall for all his fake body accounts. Will have one

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<v Speaker 2>Followergan Skills. What's up?

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<v Speaker 22>Man?

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, sir, what's up? Cristalina sp.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 18>I can't?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So I actually had two questions.

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<v Speaker 26>But this one kind of got brought up because you

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<v Speaker 26>were talking about the Angel of the Lord and the

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<v Speaker 26>Old Testament.

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<v Speaker 9>And.

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<v Speaker 26>I was commenting on this YouTube video on Hebrews one

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<v Speaker 26>where this like, I don't know, he's a torner guy,

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01:08:35.479 --> 01:08:38.199
<v Speaker 26>you know, Monotheus kind of I don't know what what

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01:08:38.279 --> 01:08:41.840
<v Speaker 26>it deal is exactly, but he was commenting on a

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01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:46.680
<v Speaker 26>debate by David Wood and Alex something O'Connor, I think,

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<v Speaker 26>and it was on Hebrews one, and he says, the

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01:08:52.039 --> 01:08:58.920
<v Speaker 26>past is they're referencing about how God I spoke at

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<v Speaker 26>various times and to the prophets, and the Old Testament

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01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:05.520
<v Speaker 26>has in these last day spoken by his son. He said,

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<v Speaker 26>the passage that they used actually refused their position because

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<v Speaker 26>it's creating a distinction between the way he spoke in

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01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:19.319
<v Speaker 26>the past to the to the fathers by the prophet

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<v Speaker 26>versus has been in these last day spoken to us

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<v Speaker 26>by his son. So I say, it couldn't have been

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<v Speaker 26>his son in the Old Testament. And I was kind

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01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:33.680
<v Speaker 26>of like arguing that, no, that doesn't refute it, because.

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<v Speaker 4>He's kind of he's addressing.

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<v Speaker 2>The way that he's spoken to us in these last

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<v Speaker 2>days by his son. Is the is the incarnation exactly?

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<v Speaker 24>That's what I was that That was my argument is

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01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:45.840
<v Speaker 24>he was the distinction.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the preincarnate versus I look the whole chapter is

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<v Speaker 2>arguing that the son is the creator, and that was

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<v Speaker 2>the second If the son is the creator, then he

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<v Speaker 2>If the son is the creator, as the whole chapter

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<v Speaker 2>is arguing, then he has to be the one that's

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<v Speaker 2>speaking the Old Testament.

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<v Speaker 9>Uh. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 26>He refuted to engage with that second part, which says

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<v Speaker 26>he created the world through his son. I'm like, how

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<v Speaker 26>could he have created because he was arguing that Jesus

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01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:11.119
<v Speaker 26>is like a prophet or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh, how much?

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<v Speaker 9>How did a prophet create the world?

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01:10:15.159 --> 01:10:17.560
<v Speaker 4>And how is this angel creator?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Right? Right? Yeah? Yeah, I appreciate that, and I

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01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:23.960
<v Speaker 2>don't know what else. Just I mean, somebody's gonna be

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01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:26.000
<v Speaker 2>up to so like, just move on. There's no point

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01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:30.640
<v Speaker 2>in having that discussion. What's up, Scott? Do you want

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01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:42.760
<v Speaker 2>to call in you wanted to speak earlier or we'll

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01:10:42.800 --> 01:10:44.439
<v Speaker 2>go to what's up?

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01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:47.119
<v Speaker 11>Man?

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01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What's up?

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01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:49.560
<v Speaker 9>Nothing?

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01:10:49.720 --> 01:10:51.880
<v Speaker 6>So you you invited me on here. You said you

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01:10:51.880 --> 01:10:52.600
<v Speaker 6>wanted to debate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you took issue with me being basically a debate

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01:10:59.319 --> 01:11:01.840
<v Speaker 2>or something that I've been doing for a really long time,

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01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:04.199
<v Speaker 2>and you said that you felt like it wasn't the

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<v Speaker 2>best way to turn the tide or the needle within culture.

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<v Speaker 2>What I was disagreeing with you with more specifically, was

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01:11:13.960 --> 01:11:17.600
<v Speaker 2>that if you yourself admit that you're a quote shitty

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<v Speaker 2>Catholic and not in a position to make these kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of spiritual judgments, Like, how are you in a position

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<v Speaker 2>to say that debating is bad?

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<v Speaker 16>Because spiritual judgments are not the same as trying to

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01:11:29.960 --> 01:11:32.039
<v Speaker 16>move the needle on a cultural level.

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't know why you would.

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<v Speaker 16>Think that those are two things that are directly related

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<v Speaker 16>insofar as you cannot have one without the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, but what I'm saying is like, if you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to make assessments of what's virtuous and not virtuous, and

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01:11:47.439 --> 01:11:50.560
<v Speaker 2>what works and doesn't work, like if you're a shitty

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01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:54.199
<v Speaker 2>Catholic quote your terms, not mine, how would that put

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01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:56.279
<v Speaker 2>you in a position to make this kind of judgment

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01:11:56.319 --> 01:11:58.600
<v Speaker 2>call about whether debating is profitable or not.

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<v Speaker 6>Because it's got nothing to do with religion.

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<v Speaker 16>We saw for what the last sixty maybe even seventy

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<v Speaker 16>or eighty years, hell, maybe even for a little.

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01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:11.600
<v Speaker 9>Bit longer than that.

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01:12:10.439 --> 01:12:13.680
<v Speaker 16>The gears of society have turned, and we have gone

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01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:19.479
<v Speaker 16>in a direction of atheism, secularism at best, and nihilism.

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01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:22.439
<v Speaker 2>At worst, you don't. You don't think that has to

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<v Speaker 2>do with religion.

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01:12:24.680 --> 01:12:26.479
<v Speaker 16>I think it has to do more with the way

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01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:29.520
<v Speaker 16>that cultures shift and the way that people will operate

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01:12:29.640 --> 01:12:32.239
<v Speaker 16>to try and turn those cultures into.

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01:12:32.079 --> 01:12:33.199
<v Speaker 9>The direction that they're going in.

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01:12:34.399 --> 01:12:39.439
<v Speaker 2>How does a person combat the massive influence of Muslim

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01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:47.000
<v Speaker 2>influencers and debaters and TikTokers, for example, without debating them.

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<v Speaker 16>What's that got to do with you arguing about fucking

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01:12:50.279 --> 01:12:53.039
<v Speaker 16>Catholicism though, because because because like, don't, don't get me wrong,

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01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:56.319
<v Speaker 16>you want to you want to debate Muslims, fucking whatever,

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01:12:56.439 --> 01:12:58.720
<v Speaker 16>do your thing. But like you are literally here on

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01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:03.640
<v Speaker 16>Easter trying to start slap fights with people over what

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01:13:03.880 --> 01:13:07.560
<v Speaker 16>fucking because you disagree with them about the correct way

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01:13:07.600 --> 01:13:11.439
<v Speaker 16>to enterate Christ or the correct church doctrine or dogma

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01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:12.279
<v Speaker 16>or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>People.

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<v Speaker 16>The fact of the matter is people see stuff like

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01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:18.520
<v Speaker 16>that and they're like, Wow, these guys fucking suck.

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01:13:18.560 --> 01:13:19.479
<v Speaker 9>I don't want to be around that.

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01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:22.760
<v Speaker 2>No, you you may think that, you might think that,

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01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:25.439
<v Speaker 2>you might think that that's why.

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01:13:25.279 --> 01:13:27.439
<v Speaker 6>The world has changed in the way that it has.

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01:13:27.600 --> 01:13:30.399
<v Speaker 2>No, you're not even in c people, You're not in

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01:13:30.439 --> 01:13:33.600
<v Speaker 2>a position to make this assessment I'm in whatever position,

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01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:36.680
<v Speaker 2>I feel like you're not in it, You're not in

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01:13:36.720 --> 01:13:41.760
<v Speaker 2>a competent position, and joke like you're not culturally relevant.

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<v Speaker 6>Nobody remembers a debate fucking a week or two later.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the thousands. So when I go to why

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01:13:47.479 --> 01:13:50.920
<v Speaker 2>are you interrupting me? When I when I go.

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<v Speaker 6>To one and people laugh about Jordan.

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01:13:53.239 --> 01:13:55.920
<v Speaker 2>When I go to churches and I meet thousands of

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01:13:55.920 --> 01:13:58.000
<v Speaker 2>people that have converted in the last five or six

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01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:00.960
<v Speaker 2>years from debates, how does that telling me that debates

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01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:02.399
<v Speaker 2>don't matter and are useless.

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01:14:03.199 --> 01:14:06.560
<v Speaker 6>I think you're making it up. I'm being honest.

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<v Speaker 16>You met thousands of people, you met your you're toring,

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01:14:10.720 --> 01:14:13.920
<v Speaker 16>you're touring the country, going to church after church, and.

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01:14:13.840 --> 01:14:16.039
<v Speaker 2>Every one of them is like, yeah, dire.

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01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:17.600
<v Speaker 6>Dude, I saw that debate with this.

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01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:21.199
<v Speaker 2>With that, you realize that, you realize that we and

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01:14:21.760 --> 01:14:23.600
<v Speaker 2>why are you? Why are you? Why are you? Why

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01:14:23.640 --> 01:14:25.680
<v Speaker 2>are you melting down? When there's literally we just had

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01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:27.920
<v Speaker 2>two thousand people. We just had two thousand people in

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01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:31.680
<v Speaker 2>the live chat here. I've done I've done live debates.

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<v Speaker 2>I've done live debates and live events from coast to

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01:14:35.039 --> 01:14:37.159
<v Speaker 2>coast for the last five years. And yeah, I've met

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01:14:37.159 --> 01:14:40.600
<v Speaker 2>thousands of people. You can watch a lot of these debates.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned to you in the DMS, the Muslim debate

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01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:45.399
<v Speaker 2>that was just seen by over four million people. So

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying that I'm just making all this up.

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<v Speaker 6>Four million converts?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I did it? Did I say converts? I said

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01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:54.119
<v Speaker 2>it was watched by four million people, and I met

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01:14:54.119 --> 01:14:55.680
<v Speaker 2>thousands of converts.

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<v Speaker 16>Yeah, I mean fucking when I turn on the TV,

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01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:02.159
<v Speaker 16>I see Real Housewive, so fucking Alaska on. Technically, I'll

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01:15:02.159 --> 01:15:03.960
<v Speaker 16>watched it for two seconds, but it doesn't mean it

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01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:05.119
<v Speaker 16>actually had an effect on me.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's the point that I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>So and so you think that the so you think

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01:15:08.800 --> 01:15:11.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm lying about I'm lying about this.

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<v Speaker 16>Culture is what matters. Culture is what matters. And if

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01:15:14.399 --> 01:15:16.399
<v Speaker 16>you're not creating something.

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<v Speaker 2>Who are the how is there?

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01:15:18.359 --> 01:15:18.439
<v Speaker 9>Was?

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01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:18.640
<v Speaker 4>Just?

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01:15:19.720 --> 01:15:21.920
<v Speaker 2>What does that even mean? Culture is what matter? Religion

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01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:23.359
<v Speaker 2>is part of culture? So does it? What are you

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01:15:23.399 --> 01:15:24.159
<v Speaker 2>even talking about?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 16>And if religion is not going to tap into the

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01:15:28.000 --> 01:15:31.079
<v Speaker 16>culture in a way that is going to be fruitful.

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<v Speaker 6>Then you're not going to have nearly as many converts

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<v Speaker 6>as you need to be able to count around.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you just accused me of lying when I when

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01:15:37.760 --> 01:15:40.079
<v Speaker 2>I can show you the fruits of the people that

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<v Speaker 2>are in these churches. Have you ever been to an

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01:15:41.720 --> 01:15:42.399
<v Speaker 2>Orthodox church?

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01:15:43.600 --> 01:15:43.800
<v Speaker 5>Non?

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<v Speaker 6>And I really don't feel like, uh really don't feel

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<v Speaker 6>like I need.

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<v Speaker 2>To go to one, truthfully, Okay, But that would prove

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01:15:48.760 --> 01:15:50.560
<v Speaker 2>to you that I'm not lying, because you can go

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01:15:50.600 --> 01:15:52.359
<v Speaker 2>and meet that. We just had two hundred people in

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<v Speaker 2>just the UK and one church converted a few days ago.

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01:15:56.680 --> 01:15:58.920
<v Speaker 6>Sure, two hundred people in a country of how many people?

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01:15:59.079 --> 01:16:02.520
<v Speaker 2>No, in one pairh that's one example.

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<v Speaker 6>Perish, Okay, two hundred people?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Now do you want to do you want to go?

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01:16:08.279 --> 01:16:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Do you want to go look at you know you're

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01:16:09.880 --> 01:16:11.319
<v Speaker 2>saying that I'm lying about it. Do you want to

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01:16:11.359 --> 01:16:13.720
<v Speaker 2>go look up? How many people at Father Josiah Trnham's

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01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:15.279
<v Speaker 2>parish converted recently?

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<v Speaker 6>I don't think it really matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Got bell hold on? It doesn't matter? But it is

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01:16:20.439 --> 01:16:22.359
<v Speaker 2>no hold on. You said it doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 6>You're not culturally relevant in the way.

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01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:24.960
<v Speaker 9>That you think you are.

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01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:27.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but it and that's the point that I'm making.

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01:16:27.079 --> 01:16:29.000
<v Speaker 2>So you're just trying to go after me personally to

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01:16:29.079 --> 01:16:32.039
<v Speaker 2>make slights at me when everything that I'm telling you

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01:16:32.079 --> 01:16:34.840
<v Speaker 2>disproves your accusation that I'm lying. You said I'm lying

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01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:37.520
<v Speaker 2>about thousands of converts. I'm giving you the things that

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01:16:37.560 --> 01:16:40.000
<v Speaker 2>would disprove that, and you're saying I don't care.

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<v Speaker 16>I mean, you're the one who's going after people based

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01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:46.479
<v Speaker 16>off of things like say they're Catholicism and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you, So you're but hurt because I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>after Catholics.

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<v Speaker 16>You go after someone like Razorfist, who's well known for

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01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:56.399
<v Speaker 16>being verbose and hyperbolic, and yeah, so what other crazy things?

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01:16:56.560 --> 01:16:59.960
<v Speaker 16>And when he does what rape? When Razorfist is Razor,

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01:17:00.399 --> 01:17:03.079
<v Speaker 16>You're like, whoa, where the hell did that come from? No,

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01:17:03.319 --> 01:17:04.359
<v Speaker 16>that's that's stupid, bro.

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<v Speaker 2>At the end of the day, that's not true.

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<v Speaker 16>It has shifted since the fifties or even before that.

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<v Speaker 6>The culture has shifted in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, everybody, Why why should we listen to your Why

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01:17:18.680 --> 01:17:21.000
<v Speaker 2>are we supposed to listen to you as some cultural

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01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:25.720
<v Speaker 2>you don't have You don't have any audience. You don't

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01:17:25.720 --> 01:17:27.880
<v Speaker 2>have any audience. Why are we supposed to believe you

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01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:31.399
<v Speaker 2>on cultural analysis? What is your quality? What's your qualification

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01:17:31.520 --> 01:17:32.880
<v Speaker 2>for cultural analysis?

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01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:35.840
<v Speaker 6>Jesus Jesus didn't have an audience.

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01:17:36.239 --> 01:17:42.159
<v Speaker 2>So you're what is your qualification for cultural analysis? Looking

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01:17:42.359 --> 01:17:45.000
<v Speaker 2>at the lest looking looking at the last.

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01:17:45.159 --> 01:17:48.279
<v Speaker 6>The country has shifted looking.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, this is the dumbest, This is the dumbest. Once anosense,

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01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:54.720
<v Speaker 2>do you accuse me of being a liar? Listen, you

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01:17:54.760 --> 01:17:58.880
<v Speaker 2>don't care about the counter evidence, you don't care, you

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01:17:58.920 --> 01:18:01.560
<v Speaker 2>don't care about the count right now, you're the one

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01:18:01.840 --> 01:18:04.359
<v Speaker 2>that's cussing me out. Man, I'm just laughing at the

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01:18:04.399 --> 01:18:05.479
<v Speaker 2>nonsense that you're saying.

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01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:08.960
<v Speaker 9>Uh, I kind of like you're a little shit.

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01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:11.720
<v Speaker 2>Got to be honest because what you're saying is ridiculous.

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01:18:11.720 --> 01:18:13.640
<v Speaker 2>The whole chat's laughing at You got two thousand people

1319
01:18:13.720 --> 01:18:15.439
<v Speaker 2>laughing at you, which, by the way, is that all fake,

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01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:16.159
<v Speaker 2>that's made up?

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<v Speaker 6>If they're not made up, they're fucking stupid.

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01:18:19.640 --> 01:18:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh, the whole audience is stupid, is all the Orthodox

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01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:22.239
<v Speaker 2>people are stupid?

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01:18:23.760 --> 01:18:24.840
<v Speaker 9>The ones watching right now?

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01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:30.359
<v Speaker 2>I guess yeah, So the actual churches that would refute

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01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:32.600
<v Speaker 2>your claim that I lie about all this, you don't

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01:18:32.600 --> 01:18:33.079
<v Speaker 2>care about that.

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<v Speaker 16>You see what's happening right now, right I'm trying to

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01:18:36.199 --> 01:18:39.359
<v Speaker 16>keep the conversation on what we dm about talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Bro you called me, You call me a liar? Sitting

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01:18:42.800 --> 01:18:44.119
<v Speaker 2>to you called me a liar.

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<v Speaker 16>Dude, just slowly shift in a conversation that you feel

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01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:48.159
<v Speaker 16>like you can.

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01:18:48.239 --> 01:18:49.880
<v Speaker 2>You call me a liar? Did you not?

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<v Speaker 16>The matter is, the Boomers don't look back at church

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01:18:52.800 --> 01:18:53.520
<v Speaker 16>when they were young.

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01:18:53.560 --> 01:18:56.039
<v Speaker 2>They what are you even talking about? This is like

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01:18:56.079 --> 01:18:59.239
<v Speaker 2>an eighty IQ conversation. The Boomers don't look at what

1339
01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:04.479
<v Speaker 2>the whole the whole two thousand people are laughing at you, bro,

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01:19:04.640 --> 01:19:05.119
<v Speaker 2>they look.

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01:19:05.039 --> 01:19:06.159
<v Speaker 6>Back at They don't, they don't.

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01:19:06.399 --> 01:19:09.000
<v Speaker 9>I don't give a fuck what they think. All two

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01:19:09.039 --> 01:19:09.640
<v Speaker 9>thousand and eight.

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01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:13.520
<v Speaker 2>And so we're supposed to listen to you about so

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01:19:14.000 --> 01:19:16.960
<v Speaker 2>you want to give spiritual advice and we're supposed to

1346
01:19:16.960 --> 01:19:19.239
<v Speaker 2>listen to you. You're literally just telling the entire chat

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01:19:19.279 --> 01:19:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to f off.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah you chat?

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01:19:23.479 --> 01:19:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So this is Scott Sullivan the m M. A

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01:19:26.640 --> 01:19:30.159
<v Speaker 2>guy who has absolutely no qualification in any subject that

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01:19:30.199 --> 01:19:30.920
<v Speaker 2>he's talking about.

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01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:32.640
<v Speaker 9>Oh you do I do I need to go? Do

1353
01:19:32.720 --> 01:19:34.079
<v Speaker 9>I need to go to college? Do I need to

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01:19:34.079 --> 01:19:34.760
<v Speaker 9>get a PhD?

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01:19:35.479 --> 01:19:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Do you do you do you read at all?

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01:19:36.960 --> 01:19:38.760
<v Speaker 6>Talk about what everybody has known.

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01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:41.720
<v Speaker 2>You want to talk about culture, and you have no

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01:19:41.880 --> 01:19:44.560
<v Speaker 2>qualifications in the subject matter? So yes, correct?

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01:19:44.600 --> 01:19:45.159
<v Speaker 9>What? What?

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01:19:45.159 --> 01:19:46.920
<v Speaker 6>What qualifications would make you happy?

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01:19:47.479 --> 01:19:48.640
<v Speaker 2>What any any at all?

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01:19:48.680 --> 01:19:49.640
<v Speaker 6>What school do I need to go?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you give me any example of a single book

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01:19:52.680 --> 01:19:53.960
<v Speaker 2>on culture that you've read?

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01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:58.600
<v Speaker 9>Uh? Julius and Bulla's The Whole Guest, Modern World, Ride

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01:19:58.640 --> 01:19:59.079
<v Speaker 9>the Tiger.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, so you're a perennialist. You're a perennialist.

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<v Speaker 6>More of a traditionalist.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. Do you like Julius Evela's discussions of magical butt sex?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah? Sure? Sure?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that is that good for culture?

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<v Speaker 9>No?

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<v Speaker 6>But I think right, the Tiger is good for culture?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? And what are we supposed to go to some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of a what fascist magical? Uh? Like leader? That's

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01:20:27.479 --> 01:20:28.399
<v Speaker 2>a that's a magician.

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<v Speaker 6>Actually, Evola rejected the Fascist party.

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<v Speaker 18>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>If you read his Metaphysics of Sexuality, he argues that

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01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:37.720
<v Speaker 2>we should have magical butt sex. So do you agree

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01:20:37.760 --> 01:20:38.199
<v Speaker 2>with that or not?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I've never read that book. Bottom line.

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<v Speaker 16>Bottom line is that the culture is shifting in a

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01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:47.439
<v Speaker 16>direction that is not healthy for any of us. And

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01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:49.720
<v Speaker 16>you can sit here and have your internet slat flights,

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01:20:49.760 --> 01:20:52.560
<v Speaker 16>But what are you doing to actually move the needle

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01:20:52.640 --> 01:20:54.039
<v Speaker 16>back into a healthy place?

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01:20:54.239 --> 01:20:59.119
<v Speaker 2>How about debating all how about opposingated? How about opposing

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01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:04.119
<v Speaker 2>is capture? How about opposing But when I give you

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01:21:04.159 --> 01:21:08.600
<v Speaker 2>the counter examples material, When I give you the examples,

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01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:10.159
<v Speaker 2>you're done.

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01:21:10.239 --> 01:21:12.920
<v Speaker 9>Fantastic thing. I don't think it's a bad thing at all.

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01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:13.760
<v Speaker 9>Don't get me wrong.

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01:21:13.840 --> 01:21:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but hey, the end of the day, he bro

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01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:20.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm blocking you. If you I'm blocking you, we're done.

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01:21:20.760 --> 01:21:27.520
<v Speaker 2>People together, nobody, nobody cares about your low tier nonsense.

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01:21:27.720 --> 01:21:30.319
<v Speaker 9>What's wrong with the world today is that the.

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01:21:32.319 --> 01:21:34.720
<v Speaker 2>Dude, you're not even competent to discuss any of this.

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01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:37.680
<v Speaker 2>What you're saying doesn't even make sense.

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<v Speaker 9>That's all you're doing. That's literally all you do, man.

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01:21:40.399 --> 01:21:42.439
<v Speaker 2>And it's all I do is back in my day?

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01:21:42.520 --> 01:21:43.319
<v Speaker 2>What does that even mean?

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01:21:44.039 --> 01:21:46.319
<v Speaker 6>And make the conversation into one that you feel like

1404
01:21:46.399 --> 01:21:46.960
<v Speaker 6>you can win.

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01:21:47.199 --> 01:21:47.560
<v Speaker 9>You can?

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01:21:47.640 --> 01:21:47.960
<v Speaker 4>You can?

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01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:52.000
<v Speaker 2>You mean when you accuse me of lying? Understand that,

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01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:55.560
<v Speaker 2>when you accuse me of lying, and then I show

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01:21:55.600 --> 01:21:59.479
<v Speaker 2>you all right, all right, we're done. You're done. That

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01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:04.239
<v Speaker 2>was the dumbest shit I've heard in ages. That was

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01:22:04.239 --> 01:22:11.600
<v Speaker 2>the stupidest bunch of nonsense. He read one level of books.

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01:22:11.600 --> 01:22:15.840
<v Speaker 2>So there we go. Yeah, roid rage exactly, So you'll

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01:22:15.920 --> 01:22:18.199
<v Speaker 2>notice what these people do is like they'll say something

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01:22:18.319 --> 01:22:21.520
<v Speaker 2>like you're lying, it's all made up. There's not people

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01:22:21.520 --> 01:22:24.720
<v Speaker 2>who've converted. And then when I start to give the examples,

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01:22:24.760 --> 01:22:30.920
<v Speaker 2>he says, I don't give a shit. Wow, Charles, what's up.

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01:22:34.039 --> 01:22:34.159
<v Speaker 16>They?

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01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:34.800
<v Speaker 9>Can you hear me?

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01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:36.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:39.680
<v Speaker 27>I just want to totally counter signal that last guy

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01:22:40.159 --> 01:22:44.359
<v Speaker 27>with an idiot. I know you've made a big impression

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01:22:44.399 --> 01:22:47.479
<v Speaker 27>on my life and any friends who are interested again

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01:22:48.319 --> 01:22:51.239
<v Speaker 27>in you know, inquiring into Orthodoxy things like that, just

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01:22:51.319 --> 01:22:55.439
<v Speaker 27>from listening to debates where real conversations happen. I think

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01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:59.920
<v Speaker 27>that's actually what's been lacking in a lot of the religious.

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01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:03.439
<v Speaker 2>Experience, total nonsets. Like I've literally been here, I've literally

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01:23:03.520 --> 01:23:07.199
<v Speaker 2>gone coast to coast meeting people. So here's the guy

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01:23:07.239 --> 01:23:11.960
<v Speaker 2>if you guys want to go engage this moron, Scott

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01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Sullivan MMA, the guy who literally just said f all

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01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:19.560
<v Speaker 2>of you in the chat. He doesn't care you're all idiots,

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01:23:19.600 --> 01:23:25.840
<v Speaker 2>and uh, here's what he actually looks like. And he

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01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:29.439
<v Speaker 2>the funny part was that he's like, I admit that

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01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:32.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm an idiot and I'm a shitty Catholic and you

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01:23:32.600 --> 01:23:36.640
<v Speaker 2>shouldn't listen to me about anything religious, But let me

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01:23:36.760 --> 01:23:41.399
<v Speaker 2>tell you how to solve culture's problems. And what isn't

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01:23:41.520 --> 01:23:45.640
<v Speaker 2>good with debating? Why would anyone listen to this individual

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01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:48.880
<v Speaker 2>who literally can't even put together a coherent argument.

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01:23:50.039 --> 01:23:52.359
<v Speaker 9>No, I mean it's not even really worth even interesting.

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01:23:52.399 --> 01:23:54.000
<v Speaker 2>That was just so stupid.

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01:23:54.479 --> 01:23:58.359
<v Speaker 27>But I meant, when he's pressed to discuss ideas, he

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01:23:58.399 --> 01:24:01.239
<v Speaker 27>talks about Julius Evola like a fourteen year old.

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01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, which like a volat is a clown man.

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01:24:05.880 --> 01:24:10.520
<v Speaker 2>If you read his metaphysics of sexuality, he actually argues

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01:24:10.600 --> 01:24:14.640
<v Speaker 2>that we should have magical butt sex. There's a whole

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01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:16.439
<v Speaker 2>chapter on it. I have the book, I've read it.

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01:24:17.199 --> 01:24:20.840
<v Speaker 27>No, the traditionless guys like went on and what's their

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01:24:20.880 --> 01:24:21.359
<v Speaker 27>shoe on?

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01:24:21.479 --> 01:24:23.600
<v Speaker 9>Like their pedophiles like weird.

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01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:26.720
<v Speaker 27>I mean maybe there's some interesting like right wing ideas, sure,

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01:24:26.760 --> 01:24:29.640
<v Speaker 27>but like as a general worldview, that's going to like

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01:24:29.680 --> 01:24:33.840
<v Speaker 27>spiritually reorient us just like gutter trash stuff.

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01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a whole chapter in Aros and the Mysteries

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01:24:36.800 --> 01:24:41.079
<v Speaker 2>of Love on magical butt sex and why he likes

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01:24:41.319 --> 01:24:45.279
<v Speaker 2>Alistair Curley so much. So there you go, that's it's

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01:24:45.319 --> 01:24:52.319
<v Speaker 2>not fundamentally a religious problem in society. It's moving the culture, Like,

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01:24:52.359 --> 01:25:01.319
<v Speaker 2>what does that even mean? Chase, what's up? What's up doing?

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<v Speaker 9>Hey, it took a second time you. I just think

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01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:05.079
<v Speaker 9>it's funny.

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01:25:06.439 --> 01:25:12.239
<v Speaker 12>Without any unchanging foundation and guidepost to what's morally acceptable

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01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:16.760
<v Speaker 12>and what's not. Where does where can culture go anywhere?

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01:25:17.279 --> 01:25:22.239
<v Speaker 12>Anywhere and everywhere? And so when you have distorted, incorrect

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01:25:22.640 --> 01:25:27.800
<v Speaker 12>religious worldview that does push perennialism like Roman Catholicism does.

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<v Speaker 12>Now it's a false religion. What's that going to allow for?

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01:25:31.560 --> 01:25:34.760
<v Speaker 12>It's going to allow for any culture to do anything. So, yes,

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01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:38.239
<v Speaker 12>we want people in every aspect of culture, in music,

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<v Speaker 12>in art, and television. But the root problem is the

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01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:47.319
<v Speaker 12>religious framework that prevents certain transgressions like the stuff I'm

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01:25:47.319 --> 01:25:50.199
<v Speaker 12>talking about with Evola taking place in the first it's

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01:25:51.399 --> 01:25:53.840
<v Speaker 12>it's just so goofy, I don't understand.

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01:25:55.800 --> 01:25:59.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. On top of that, by the way, he just

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01:25:59.479 --> 01:26:05.399
<v Speaker 2>spent twenty minutes trying to debate telling me that debating

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01:26:05.479 --> 01:26:08.359
<v Speaker 2>is stupid and futile. Imagine the stupidity and the lack

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01:26:08.399 --> 01:26:12.439
<v Speaker 2>of self awareness to come to debate that debating is stupid.

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01:26:13.720 --> 01:26:16.039
<v Speaker 12>I don't think he understands that. To be ho, I'm

1475
01:26:16.039 --> 01:26:18.680
<v Speaker 12>not trying to be mean, like I thought, you know something.

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01:26:18.439 --> 01:26:20.600
<v Speaker 2>No, that was like this, this is a guy who's

1477
01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:23.239
<v Speaker 2>like maybe a hunter IQ, like not even.

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01:26:23.399 --> 01:26:24.880
<v Speaker 12>And I've seen him pop up and have a couple

1479
01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:29.000
<v Speaker 12>of funny moments in certain you know, you know, uh,

1480
01:26:29.439 --> 01:26:31.319
<v Speaker 12>YouTube things and stuff, and it was like, oh, you

1481
01:26:31.359 --> 01:26:32.640
<v Speaker 12>had a funny moment or something.

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01:26:32.439 --> 01:26:33.600
<v Speaker 9>But it was yeah, it was just goofy.

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01:26:33.640 --> 01:26:36.439
<v Speaker 12>I just if you want, if you're saying the cultures

1484
01:26:36.479 --> 01:26:39.319
<v Speaker 12>headed in a bad direction, you're asking all these deeper

1485
01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:44.680
<v Speaker 12>philosophical questions, which is what Jay's getting at, and it's

1486
01:26:44.680 --> 01:26:45.399
<v Speaker 12>it's just goofy.

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01:26:45.439 --> 01:26:47.439
<v Speaker 9>I just wanted to say, it's it's totally backwards.

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01:26:47.800 --> 01:26:51.399
<v Speaker 12>You want people upstream in culture putting out good art

1489
01:26:51.560 --> 01:26:56.840
<v Speaker 12>that does glorify and magnify God and rebukes bullshit. And

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01:26:56.880 --> 01:27:00.680
<v Speaker 12>then you need people going at the direct foundation to

1491
01:27:01.279 --> 01:27:05.119
<v Speaker 12>go up you know upstream as well. Right, you need both.

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01:27:05.199 --> 01:27:09.000
<v Speaker 12>You want everything. You want a whole culture informed by

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01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:09.479
<v Speaker 12>the good.

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01:27:10.960 --> 01:27:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Here is Evilah by the way, talking about what

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01:27:14.600 --> 01:27:33.000
<v Speaker 2>he likes in Croley. So his answer to culture and

1496
01:27:33.079 --> 01:27:40.880
<v Speaker 2>society is a lunatic promoting that magical b U T

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01:27:40.880 --> 01:27:43.439
<v Speaker 2>T se x. And so you can go read his

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01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:49.680
<v Speaker 2>assessments of Croley. It's around page two, sixty four, sixty five,

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01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:54.720
<v Speaker 2>and I'm pretty sure he has a positive appropriation of

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01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:57.279
<v Speaker 2>uh butt sex.

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01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:00.800
<v Speaker 12>Magic well and and again, what's what's funny about that

1502
01:28:01.000 --> 01:28:06.439
<v Speaker 12>is Crawley, you know, with the you know, the people

1503
01:28:06.479 --> 01:28:09.239
<v Speaker 12>and the poo poo thing, he thought, you know, Oh,

1504
01:28:09.239 --> 01:28:13.000
<v Speaker 12>it's the final transgression you know, someone can make, and

1505
01:28:13.119 --> 01:28:19.000
<v Speaker 12>a transgression of what the very religious ordering that debating

1506
01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:23.800
<v Speaker 12>these false religions as well as atheists and perennialists.

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01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:28.000
<v Speaker 9>Allows for, like it's just or sorry, wouldn't allow for

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01:28:28.279 --> 01:28:29.760
<v Speaker 9>if they were in place.

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01:28:30.560 --> 01:28:32.279
<v Speaker 12>But I'm gonna head out. I'm gonna go go listen,

1510
01:28:32.760 --> 01:28:34.600
<v Speaker 12>christ has Risen, have a good.

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01:28:34.520 --> 01:28:48.680
<v Speaker 11>One, Jay, what's up?

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01:28:48.720 --> 01:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>Man? Sonic, what's up?

1513
01:29:00.000 --> 01:29:01.600
<v Speaker 4>Hey? Bro? Didn't realize I was up.

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01:29:02.520 --> 01:29:05.439
<v Speaker 23>Hey.

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01:29:05.479 --> 01:29:10.520
<v Speaker 28>This all sounds very sophisticated, but I'm curious as far.

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01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:13.720
<v Speaker 4>As these guys go, who just.

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01:29:13.720 --> 01:29:17.359
<v Speaker 23>Kind of launch in to things that they're ill equipped for,

1518
01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:19.359
<v Speaker 23>even on a daylight today.

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01:29:21.880 --> 01:29:23.159
<v Speaker 4>Truthfully, I'm not.

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01:29:23.159 --> 01:29:25.159
<v Speaker 23>Much of a reader as far as this stuff goes.

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01:29:25.199 --> 01:29:27.479
<v Speaker 4>I'm saved by grace, but I'm.

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01:29:27.279 --> 01:29:29.520
<v Speaker 23>Just curious about how this plays into.

1523
01:29:29.279 --> 01:29:31.600
<v Speaker 4>Guys who are willing to do nothing but to act.

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01:29:32.319 --> 01:29:36.039
<v Speaker 28>As far as this all sounds very book smart, but

1525
01:29:36.079 --> 01:29:37.279
<v Speaker 28>where does it come in.

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01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:40.199
<v Speaker 4>For people who are just tired and who are.

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01:29:40.079 --> 01:29:45.439
<v Speaker 29>Ready to act on whatever their exhaustion is with where

1528
01:29:45.439 --> 01:29:47.680
<v Speaker 29>they're at.

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01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:50.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you mean act?

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01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:51.199
<v Speaker 4>What do you mean?

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01:29:58.600 --> 01:30:01.560
<v Speaker 28>So you guys are talking about like authors, right, You're

1532
01:30:01.600 --> 01:30:06.079
<v Speaker 28>talking about like different authors and like Christian Cannon from

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01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:12.319
<v Speaker 28>what I've gathered, right, you guys are talking about authors

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01:30:12.359 --> 01:30:15.119
<v Speaker 28>like like favor is kind of what.

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01:30:15.079 --> 01:30:15.760
<v Speaker 9>It sounds like.

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01:30:15.840 --> 01:30:18.079
<v Speaker 2>Evila is a pagan, so he has nothing to do

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01:30:18.159 --> 01:30:19.119
<v Speaker 2>with Christianity.

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01:30:20.079 --> 01:30:22.119
<v Speaker 4>Okay, So.

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01:30:24.199 --> 01:30:27.239
<v Speaker 23>Okay, so he referenced him.

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01:30:27.840 --> 01:30:30.439
<v Speaker 4>Do you have any that you're a fan of?

1541
01:30:32.399 --> 01:30:34.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? So look, man, it's a it's an open debate.

1542
01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:37.399
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, if you wanted to come to discuss

1543
01:30:37.439 --> 01:30:39.880
<v Speaker 2>and have debate, that's fine. But I mean, I don't.

1544
01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:41.720
<v Speaker 2>I just cannot understand.

1545
01:30:41.319 --> 01:30:44.279
<v Speaker 4>What you're after the debate. I'm just looking to further understand.

1546
01:30:46.199 --> 01:30:47.159
<v Speaker 2>I understand what.

1547
01:30:49.920 --> 01:30:51.800
<v Speaker 4>You guys are are.

1548
01:30:52.000 --> 01:30:56.399
<v Speaker 28>You're against Catholics, You're with Catholics.

1549
01:30:56.760 --> 01:30:58.439
<v Speaker 2>I am not Okay, I see what you're saying. I

1550
01:30:58.479 --> 01:31:04.840
<v Speaker 2>am not pro Catholic. No, I am against Catholicism. I'm Orthodox,

1551
01:31:05.079 --> 01:31:07.800
<v Speaker 2>but we also debate Protestants, atheists, or whoever would like

1552
01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:08.399
<v Speaker 2>to come debate.

1553
01:31:11.840 --> 01:31:15.600
<v Speaker 23>Okay, for the most part, Protestants have been against Catholics.

1554
01:31:15.720 --> 01:31:17.159
<v Speaker 4>Next as part as what.

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01:31:17.159 --> 01:31:20.680
<v Speaker 28>I'm perhaps I'm ill equipped to even be talking to

1556
01:31:20.720 --> 01:31:23.039
<v Speaker 28>you right now. But for the most part, the discourse

1557
01:31:23.079 --> 01:31:26.079
<v Speaker 28>I've seen is Protestants and Catholics against each other.

1558
01:31:26.920 --> 01:31:29.680
<v Speaker 2>M what about it?

1559
01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:33.880
<v Speaker 4>Them just arguing for more structure.

1560
01:31:34.119 --> 01:31:41.119
<v Speaker 23>People online in suits Orthodox not Orthodox Liberal versions of

1561
01:31:41.159 --> 01:31:42.199
<v Speaker 23>these religions.

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01:31:43.359 --> 01:31:45.399
<v Speaker 4>Whether to get in a suit to go to church

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01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:47.520
<v Speaker 4>or not a suit not a church man.

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01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:49.720
<v Speaker 28>I don't know if anyone else can relate, but I

1565
01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:51.119
<v Speaker 28>just don't go to church.

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01:31:51.319 --> 01:31:53.399
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure a lot of people can relate that they

1567
01:31:53.439 --> 01:31:54.359
<v Speaker 4>don't go to church.

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01:31:54.439 --> 01:31:55.439
<v Speaker 9>Do you go to church?

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01:31:56.760 --> 01:31:58.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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01:31:58.359 --> 01:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>You go to church?

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01:31:59.039 --> 01:31:59.960
<v Speaker 4>How many times a week?

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01:32:02.840 --> 01:32:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Usually one? Maybe two?

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01:32:05.520 --> 01:32:06.960
<v Speaker 4>What Sunday and Wednesday?

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01:32:08.119 --> 01:32:11.239
<v Speaker 2>Uh? Well, Orthodox church usually has other services. It's not

1575
01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:16.199
<v Speaker 2>really Wednesday, but generally Sunday, but some other days sometimes

1576
01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:17.640
<v Speaker 2>we have a Saturday service.

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01:32:20.720 --> 01:32:24.640
<v Speaker 4>Okay, so generally on the weekends. What about the people that.

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01:32:24.560 --> 01:32:29.560
<v Speaker 28>Don't partake in these quote unquote bodies of Christ at all?

1579
01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:33.479
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it's not typically the Orthodox attitude to

1580
01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:37.039
<v Speaker 2>judge people individually, but I mean, we do believe that

1581
01:32:37.439 --> 01:32:44.199
<v Speaker 2>humans were made to engage in ordered worship towards God. Yeah,

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01:32:44.319 --> 01:32:45.600
<v Speaker 2>in a community.

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01:32:45.840 --> 01:32:48.279
<v Speaker 30>Is that based somewhat off the scripture of where one

1584
01:32:48.359 --> 01:32:49.319
<v Speaker 30>or two were gathered?

1585
01:32:50.279 --> 01:32:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Is well? I mean yeah, partly. And then you know

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01:32:53.720 --> 01:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Paul says, don't forsake the coming together. Yeah.

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01:32:59.760 --> 01:33:04.279
<v Speaker 30>Well, would you say to people who are struggling to find.

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01:33:04.039 --> 01:33:07.680
<v Speaker 2>That at all, Well, I would say, go check out

1589
01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:09.880
<v Speaker 2>an Orthodox church, Go visit one.

1590
01:33:12.479 --> 01:33:17.560
<v Speaker 1>Orthodox what not Orthodox Protestant, not Orthodox.

1591
01:33:17.359 --> 01:33:22.279
<v Speaker 2>East Eastern Orthodox Church, the Orthodox Catholic Church, specific.

1592
01:33:22.479 --> 01:33:28.279
<v Speaker 4>The Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church. Correct, Okay?

1593
01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:30.800
<v Speaker 28>And I I'm of course coming to you as a

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01:33:30.840 --> 01:33:34.039
<v Speaker 28>gentleman who has grown up in church almost my entire life,

1595
01:33:34.600 --> 01:33:36.560
<v Speaker 28>left it at probably the age.

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01:33:36.359 --> 01:33:42.399
<v Speaker 4>Of separate seventeen and never went back. You don't feel

1597
01:33:42.399 --> 01:33:44.119
<v Speaker 4>like there's any like vetting.

1598
01:33:43.920 --> 01:33:46.199
<v Speaker 9>Process you have to have with these churches.

1599
01:33:46.279 --> 01:33:49.840
<v Speaker 30>You feel like anyone could enter these places and pretty.

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01:33:49.640 --> 01:33:52.720
<v Speaker 4>Much be set. Now.

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01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:55.720
<v Speaker 2>The Orthodox Church is the strictest for vetting.

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01:33:58.119 --> 01:34:02.199
<v Speaker 4>Okay, which is my elaborating on that. As far as

1603
01:34:02.239 --> 01:34:04.039
<v Speaker 4>what their vetting processes.

1604
01:34:03.560 --> 01:34:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Are, it's usually one to three years before you become

1605
01:34:07.359 --> 01:34:09.520
<v Speaker 2>a member of the Orthodox Church.

1606
01:34:12.119 --> 01:34:13.119
<v Speaker 4>Schooling of.

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01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:18.079
<v Speaker 2>No attending the services and going through what's called a catechumenate.

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01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:25.520
<v Speaker 30>Yeah, and that is what the deacons.

1609
01:34:25.000 --> 01:34:26.279
<v Speaker 4>The elders.

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01:34:27.479 --> 01:34:32.279
<v Speaker 2>You mean making the decision. Yes, well, yeah, there's there's

1611
01:34:32.319 --> 01:34:35.439
<v Speaker 2>priests and deacons and then so basically a person first

1612
01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:38.479
<v Speaker 2>inquires and then they go through a process of being

1613
01:34:38.520 --> 01:34:42.239
<v Speaker 2>a catech human for anywhere from six months to three years,

1614
01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>depending upon what priests and deacons determine correct.

1615
01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:50.319
<v Speaker 30>And what sort of quality is that these people do

1616
01:34:50.439 --> 01:34:51.840
<v Speaker 30>they filter out?

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01:34:52.199 --> 01:34:53.399
<v Speaker 4>Are there any.

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01:34:54.600 --> 01:34:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Well? Usually in that time period, they're just looking to

1619
01:34:56.680 --> 01:34:58.600
<v Speaker 2>see if you really do want to be in the

1620
01:34:58.680 --> 01:35:02.039
<v Speaker 2>church and you are serious about learning it and keeping

1621
01:35:02.079 --> 01:35:03.439
<v Speaker 2>to it's you know, teachings.

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01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:09.720
<v Speaker 23>So okay, what about it's the quality of the people

1623
01:35:09.760 --> 01:35:12.119
<v Speaker 23>that they're actually getting involved.

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01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:17.760
<v Speaker 30>Is it mostly in these kind of liberal non denominational

1625
01:35:17.920 --> 01:35:22.680
<v Speaker 30>churches that they just do that and kind of make

1626
01:35:22.760 --> 01:35:28.279
<v Speaker 30>sure you're conformative enough, or do they have some sort

1627
01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:33.439
<v Speaker 30>of deeper framework to actually vet the men who are

1628
01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:34.399
<v Speaker 30>becoming involved.

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01:35:35.039 --> 01:35:37.279
<v Speaker 2>Are you talking about just joining the church, people going

1630
01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:38.560
<v Speaker 2>into the ministry.

1631
01:35:39.359 --> 01:35:41.439
<v Speaker 4>People actually becoming part of the ministry.

1632
01:35:41.560 --> 01:35:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, it's very strict. I mean that doesn't mean

1633
01:35:43.960 --> 01:35:47.159
<v Speaker 2>that there can't be you know, still evil people, but

1634
01:35:47.520 --> 01:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>it's it's more strict than anywhere else.

1635
01:35:52.319 --> 01:35:54.119
<v Speaker 31>That's that's what I'm interested though.

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01:35:54.199 --> 01:35:58.039
<v Speaker 4>How are how is this Ether Eastern.

1637
01:35:57.800 --> 01:36:00.079
<v Speaker 9>Orthodox mythology.

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01:36:01.000 --> 01:36:02.760
<v Speaker 4>Preventing the wolves among sheep?

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01:36:03.680 --> 01:36:06.560
<v Speaker 2>Well, again, there's no perfect system, because there can always

1640
01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:09.600
<v Speaker 2>be people who maybe even begin good and then turn evil.

1641
01:36:10.279 --> 01:36:12.800
<v Speaker 2>So there is no perfect system, but it has the

1642
01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:17.279
<v Speaker 2>strictest canonical prescriptions on who can and cannot be a

1643
01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:18.520
<v Speaker 2>member of the priesthood.

1644
01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:21.600
<v Speaker 9>Could you elaborate on that a little bit deeper.

1645
01:36:23.840 --> 01:36:26.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's just all kinds of things, for example,

1646
01:36:26.439 --> 01:36:29.159
<v Speaker 2>that can disqualify you from being a priest if you

1647
01:36:29.239 --> 01:36:33.039
<v Speaker 2>were you know, if you had a criminal background, if

1648
01:36:33.079 --> 01:36:36.560
<v Speaker 2>you were abusive to your spouse, or I mean, there's

1649
01:36:36.560 --> 01:36:47.720
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of things that can disqualify you. Okay, well, look,

1650
01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:50.279
<v Speaker 2>what I would suggest is, if you're interested in this topic,

1651
01:36:50.560 --> 01:36:53.920
<v Speaker 2>there's a great documentary that is a good introductory documentary.

1652
01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:57.039
<v Speaker 2>It's called The Icon. It's a seven part documentary. I

1653
01:36:57.079 --> 01:37:00.399
<v Speaker 2>would say go check that out. James Beaty White, what's

1654
01:37:00.479 --> 01:37:00.880
<v Speaker 2>up man?

1655
01:37:05.960 --> 01:37:07.039
<v Speaker 9>Hello? Can you hear me?

1656
01:37:07.119 --> 01:37:07.319
<v Speaker 4>Yep?

1657
01:37:08.039 --> 01:37:08.479
<v Speaker 9>Awesome.

1658
01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:10.960
<v Speaker 31>So this is not exactly theologically oriented.

1659
01:37:11.600 --> 01:37:13.319
<v Speaker 9>So I do apologize. That's okay.

1660
01:37:13.960 --> 01:37:17.000
<v Speaker 32>I am in university and my brothers and so people

1661
01:37:17.000 --> 01:37:20.640
<v Speaker 32>at university and my brothers they're like dug in on

1662
01:37:20.800 --> 01:37:23.239
<v Speaker 32>like Andrew tap manosphere, and I'm just curious from you,

1663
01:37:23.640 --> 01:37:26.800
<v Speaker 32>what are the strongest arguments I can make to you know.

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01:37:26.720 --> 01:37:29.000
<v Speaker 6>Because when someone comes up to with this nonsense, I.

1665
01:37:28.960 --> 01:37:31.479
<v Speaker 24>Want to I don't want to just say oh, he's bad, because.

1666
01:37:31.239 --> 01:37:32.840
<v Speaker 9>You know, I want to.

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01:37:32.840 --> 01:37:35.520
<v Speaker 6>Actually have reasonable reasons to say this is false.

1668
01:37:36.000 --> 01:37:39.479
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, the manosphere only goes so far in

1669
01:37:39.600 --> 01:37:44.000
<v Speaker 2>terms of like critique. Okay, so I critiques feminism, but

1670
01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:49.680
<v Speaker 2>what's the positive that it's providing after the critique? So

1671
01:37:49.960 --> 01:37:55.319
<v Speaker 2>basically it's just going to say what stack stack cheddar

1672
01:37:55.800 --> 01:37:58.520
<v Speaker 2>stack crypto and try to get laid like that's all

1673
01:37:58.560 --> 01:38:01.000
<v Speaker 2>there is to it. So it's just based a hedonistic

1674
01:38:02.239 --> 01:38:07.720
<v Speaker 2>response to a problem in society, and you can't really

1675
01:38:08.319 --> 01:38:12.840
<v Speaker 2>solve that level of a problem, which obviously you know,

1676
01:38:12.960 --> 01:38:15.560
<v Speaker 2>feminism all this stuff is like a massive problem with

1677
01:38:18.159 --> 01:38:23.359
<v Speaker 2>limited hedonism, right, So how is that going to fix anything,

1678
01:38:23.399 --> 01:38:27.720
<v Speaker 2>solve anything? I mean, you can take measure and be

1679
01:38:28.039 --> 01:38:30.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, careful and restrictive for your personal life in

1680
01:38:30.560 --> 01:38:33.680
<v Speaker 2>terms of like, you know, if I'm going to start

1681
01:38:33.760 --> 01:38:35.439
<v Speaker 2>dating a girl, I want to know, you know, as

1682
01:38:35.520 --> 01:38:37.439
<v Speaker 2>much as I can about her background. I want to

1683
01:38:37.479 --> 01:38:41.520
<v Speaker 2>know what the likelihood is of her, you know, I

1684
01:38:41.560 --> 01:38:45.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know, trying to steal money and be a gold digger, right, Like,

1685
01:38:45.640 --> 01:38:49.680
<v Speaker 2>you can take all these precautions or whatever, But I

1686
01:38:49.760 --> 01:38:52.600
<v Speaker 2>just don't think Islam or hedonism is going to be

1687
01:38:52.680 --> 01:38:57.000
<v Speaker 2>a solution to real problems. And at the same time,

1688
01:38:57.159 --> 01:39:02.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm starting to think that more and more the quote

1689
01:39:02.000 --> 01:39:05.359
<v Speaker 2>red pill stuff in terms of the movement, not the

1690
01:39:06.000 --> 01:39:09.079
<v Speaker 2>individual arguments or critiques or positions they're being debated, but

1691
01:39:09.640 --> 01:39:13.199
<v Speaker 2>the move of the red pill in terms of the

1692
01:39:13.359 --> 01:39:17.520
<v Speaker 2>influencers I think is probably going to turn more and

1693
01:39:17.600 --> 01:39:22.960
<v Speaker 2>more in the direction of pushing Islam. Maybe not, maybe

1694
01:39:22.960 --> 01:39:25.279
<v Speaker 2>it won't go in that direction, but that's what I suspect.

1695
01:39:25.479 --> 01:39:30.279
<v Speaker 2>And so because a lot of these people and influencers

1696
01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:34.720
<v Speaker 2>are pushing what they're pushing based on funding, I don't

1697
01:39:34.760 --> 01:39:37.079
<v Speaker 2>have proof of who's funding or pushing a lot of

1698
01:39:37.119 --> 01:39:40.359
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that's out there, and obviously there's individual grifters

1699
01:39:40.399 --> 01:39:44.600
<v Speaker 2>and all this kind of stuff, but I do think

1700
01:39:44.680 --> 01:39:49.079
<v Speaker 2>that there's probably some Islamic push in the background, and

1701
01:39:49.600 --> 01:39:53.279
<v Speaker 2>that makes sense with where they're trying to move these things,

1702
01:39:55.119 --> 01:39:57.319
<v Speaker 2>and so probably they're going to try to say, after

1703
01:39:58.199 --> 01:40:03.399
<v Speaker 2>you know, years of that, they're going to say, well, look,

1704
01:40:03.439 --> 01:40:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I guess you know, look straight up, hedonism isn't gonna

1705
01:40:06.960 --> 01:40:19.520
<v Speaker 2>work the solutions Islam. But I'm I'm speculating here, slow boy,

1706
01:40:22.239 --> 01:40:24.119
<v Speaker 2>can you hear me? Yeah, what's up?

1707
01:40:25.239 --> 01:40:25.880
<v Speaker 9>What's up? Man?

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01:40:26.359 --> 01:40:29.119
<v Speaker 29>Not that you need to defense at all, but the

1709
01:40:29.159 --> 01:40:32.359
<v Speaker 29>guy earlier saying that you like, you don't have converts

1710
01:40:32.399 --> 01:40:34.680
<v Speaker 29>going to the church because you know.

1711
01:40:36.640 --> 01:40:38.039
<v Speaker 4>You're lying or something.

1712
01:40:38.520 --> 01:40:39.760
<v Speaker 9>I mean, I'm I came out.

1713
01:40:39.800 --> 01:40:43.520
<v Speaker 29>I was born into onest Pentecostal, went into Calvinism, and

1714
01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:46.880
<v Speaker 29>then now I'm in an Antiochian church because of the

1715
01:40:46.920 --> 01:40:51.079
<v Speaker 29>type of arguments you give against Catholicism and Protestantism. So

1716
01:40:51.439 --> 01:40:54.640
<v Speaker 29>and there's actually another guy in the church that I

1717
01:40:54.680 --> 01:40:58.479
<v Speaker 29>went to with Pashka last night, and he came out

1718
01:40:58.520 --> 01:41:03.359
<v Speaker 29>of shamanism and a whole bunch of other stuff because

1719
01:41:03.359 --> 01:41:04.039
<v Speaker 29>of you as well.

1720
01:41:04.720 --> 01:41:06.600
<v Speaker 4>So it's kind of the dude's.

1721
01:41:06.319 --> 01:41:09.199
<v Speaker 29>Just like blatantly just trying to talk over you and

1722
01:41:09.279 --> 01:41:10.600
<v Speaker 29>just trying to spew out shit.

1723
01:41:10.680 --> 01:41:11.640
<v Speaker 4>So it makes sense.

1724
01:41:11.720 --> 01:41:14.920
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, it's like many

1725
01:41:14.920 --> 01:41:17.000
<v Speaker 2>of you guys have been to our live events, and

1726
01:41:17.840 --> 01:41:20.279
<v Speaker 2>we don't have thousands of people at a live event.

1727
01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:22.960
<v Speaker 2>We get anywhere from one hundred to one hundred and twenty.

1728
01:41:23.000 --> 01:41:25.920
<v Speaker 2>But we've done many live events in the last several years.

1729
01:41:26.600 --> 01:41:30.920
<v Speaker 2>And if you tally that up together with what people

1730
01:41:31.039 --> 01:41:34.079
<v Speaker 2>like Father Whitford, or what Father Josiah or what Father

1731
01:41:34.199 --> 01:41:37.600
<v Speaker 2>Moses and all these people are saying, and yes, it's cumulative.

1732
01:41:37.640 --> 01:41:39.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying, oh, it's all just me. I know,

1733
01:41:40.239 --> 01:41:43.880
<v Speaker 2>you know what we've been doing here has resulted since

1734
01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:47.319
<v Speaker 2>twenty eighteen. I mean, there's twelve thousand people in the

1735
01:41:47.319 --> 01:41:50.119
<v Speaker 2>discord alone, right, and I don't spend a lot of

1736
01:41:50.159 --> 01:41:52.880
<v Speaker 2>time in there, but that was my discord, and me

1737
01:41:53.079 --> 01:41:57.239
<v Speaker 2>and Kai and Lewis and all the other mods and

1738
01:41:57.359 --> 01:42:00.880
<v Speaker 2>David helped build that up, and they all converted back

1739
01:42:00.880 --> 01:42:04.960
<v Speaker 2>in the twenty seventeen sixteen era phase. And there's been

1740
01:42:05.000 --> 01:42:09.760
<v Speaker 2>waves of this for almost eight or nine years. The

1741
01:42:09.880 --> 01:42:14.720
<v Speaker 2>channel has one hundred and sixty thousand subscribers. You could

1742
01:42:14.760 --> 01:42:17.840
<v Speaker 2>calculate that at least some portion of that are people

1743
01:42:17.840 --> 01:42:21.079
<v Speaker 2>who converted to Orthodoxy, which would be in the thousands,

1744
01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:25.600
<v Speaker 2>and so I can extrapolate from everyone else's testimonies to

1745
01:42:25.680 --> 01:42:31.560
<v Speaker 2>their churches, catechumen and growth that yeah, of course it

1746
01:42:31.680 --> 01:42:34.159
<v Speaker 2>is at least in the thousands. But that's not just me.

1747
01:42:34.319 --> 01:42:38.560
<v Speaker 2>That's cumulative. It's also other you know, Father Moses' channel

1748
01:42:38.720 --> 01:42:41.199
<v Speaker 2>just popped off to he's got like over one hundred

1749
01:42:41.199 --> 01:42:49.439
<v Speaker 2>thousand subscribers. Andrew's channel has grown, right, Father Josiah's channel

1750
01:42:49.520 --> 01:42:53.479
<v Speaker 2>is large, you know. So it's like, of course there's

1751
01:42:53.479 --> 01:42:55.439
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people converting Orthodoxy and then he just

1752
01:42:55.439 --> 01:42:58.880
<v Speaker 2>dismisses it. I don't go, shit, well, but you said

1753
01:42:58.920 --> 01:43:02.119
<v Speaker 2>that there weren't these people converting, and then when I

1754
01:43:02.199 --> 01:43:07.720
<v Speaker 2>tell you now you don't care. Right, It's just like

1755
01:43:08.039 --> 01:43:10.920
<v Speaker 2>there's something that dude's got something off. There's something wrong

1756
01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:12.920
<v Speaker 2>with that dude. I don't know what set him off.

1757
01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Because if we want to talk about, let's talk about

1758
01:43:15.880 --> 01:43:18.840
<v Speaker 2>the razor fit situation. Because all it was was me again,

1759
01:43:19.000 --> 01:43:23.319
<v Speaker 2>just simply asking him for a debate, so very simple

1760
01:43:23.359 --> 01:43:25.800
<v Speaker 2>for ever everybody knows, Like, because I know that a

1761
01:43:25.840 --> 01:43:28.520
<v Speaker 2>lot of these people are gonna have meltdowns, I intentionally

1762
01:43:28.600 --> 01:43:32.319
<v Speaker 2>keep the questions simple and brief. In the DMS would

1763
01:43:32.319 --> 01:43:41.600
<v Speaker 2>you like to debate, and I'll show you what here was.

1764
01:43:41.760 --> 01:43:46.279
<v Speaker 2>This was his reply. Look at this insanity. Your calo,

1765
01:43:46.520 --> 01:43:48.119
<v Speaker 2>he means cal I don't think he knows that the

1766
01:43:48.119 --> 01:43:53.359
<v Speaker 2>word callous is not the word callo. Right, your callo

1767
01:43:53.439 --> 01:43:56.640
<v Speaker 2>attempts to draw viewership by turning Christianity to combat sport

1768
01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:59.199
<v Speaker 2>as a shy side show. I harbor nothing but contempt

1769
01:43:59.199 --> 01:44:03.199
<v Speaker 2>for you and by you by my anger. But my

1770
01:44:03.279 --> 01:44:05.960
<v Speaker 2>anger burns compared to what the Lord prescribes for those

1771
01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:07.520
<v Speaker 2>who mock him. I mean, it was this guy drunk

1772
01:44:07.600 --> 01:44:10.479
<v Speaker 2>last night when he's posting this. This is precisely what

1773
01:44:10.479 --> 01:44:13.279
<v Speaker 2>you have done. I refuse to be complicit in your profanation.

1774
01:44:13.680 --> 01:44:15.560
<v Speaker 2>You should be a same ashamed of yourself. I hope

1775
01:44:15.560 --> 01:44:19.840
<v Speaker 2>you repent. Like this is like weird. People need to study,

1776
01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:24.000
<v Speaker 2>like the meltdowns that I get just for a simple text.

1777
01:44:24.319 --> 01:44:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Would you like to do a formal debate? And I

1778
01:44:27.279 --> 01:44:31.520
<v Speaker 2>asked him a specific topic? He was like, you never

1779
01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:35.479
<v Speaker 2>gave me a specific topic. No, I actually gave you

1780
01:44:35.560 --> 01:44:38.479
<v Speaker 2>a list. In fact, I'll show you the list because

1781
01:44:38.479 --> 01:44:50.600
<v Speaker 2>I posted it. So again, just it's weird that people

1782
01:44:50.600 --> 01:44:55.079
<v Speaker 2>will be dishonest about stuff that there's receipts. Right Like,

1783
01:44:57.439 --> 01:44:59.520
<v Speaker 2>he's like, you never told me a topic to debate,

1784
01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:02.960
<v Speaker 2>specifically said because he talked smack against Orthodox right. He's like,

1785
01:45:03.079 --> 01:45:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Orthodox are a bunch of bearded idiots and all this

1786
01:45:06.079 --> 01:45:10.319
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. And he says they reject all the

1787
01:45:10.399 --> 01:45:12.399
<v Speaker 2>church fathers in the West. I was like, what are

1788
01:45:12.399 --> 01:45:16.159
<v Speaker 2>you talking about? That's not even true. Here we go.

1789
01:45:22.359 --> 01:45:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Razorfist says, you are challenging every pundit who remotely disagrees

1790
01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:31.920
<v Speaker 2>with you. No, no, no, you talk smack about Orthodoxy. Hi,

1791
01:45:31.960 --> 01:45:34.520
<v Speaker 2>I'm father beard Man. Today I'm going to explain you

1792
01:45:34.560 --> 01:45:36.199
<v Speaker 2>that I can save the West by converting to an

1793
01:45:36.279 --> 01:45:39.880
<v Speaker 2>Orthodox offshoot of Christianity that rejects every Western church father

1794
01:45:39.920 --> 01:45:42.680
<v Speaker 2>from Augustine to Ambrose. First of all, august and Ambrose

1795
01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:48.000
<v Speaker 2>are contemporary, so his comment is idiotic. And here is

1796
01:45:48.039 --> 01:45:51.520
<v Speaker 2>the DM. Would you like to publicly debate your claim?

1797
01:45:51.960 --> 01:45:56.960
<v Speaker 2>This was your claim? But he says, you never actually

1798
01:45:56.960 --> 01:46:03.520
<v Speaker 2>gave me something to debate or disagree with them? Right,

1799
01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:13.800
<v Speaker 2>he says, you're Orthrow bro vouch, which is preposterous. But

1800
01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:16.920
<v Speaker 2>what is it that you actually agree with? What must

1801
01:46:16.960 --> 01:46:21.680
<v Speaker 2>be proven? I was very specific the first time, so

1802
01:46:22.079 --> 01:46:24.479
<v Speaker 2>after I proved that he was not sign the truth.

1803
01:46:24.560 --> 01:46:28.239
<v Speaker 2>Then he had this DM meltdown at me, right, So

1804
01:46:28.319 --> 01:46:33.439
<v Speaker 2>that was three times, three separate times, specifically offering him

1805
01:46:34.079 --> 01:46:37.960
<v Speaker 2>specific topics, and he's not telling you the truth. He's lying.

1806
01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:40.560
<v Speaker 2>He's saying, you never told me a specific topic. And

1807
01:46:41.159 --> 01:46:43.680
<v Speaker 2>by the way, you're a complete piece of human garbage.

1808
01:46:43.720 --> 01:46:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Like it's weird. Like that's like just the attitude and

1809
01:46:48.399 --> 01:46:52.159
<v Speaker 2>the reactions of these people is so bizarre to me,

1810
01:46:52.680 --> 01:46:58.119
<v Speaker 2>Like that I just don't understand, because it's the same

1811
01:46:58.119 --> 01:47:00.800
<v Speaker 2>with Calvin Robinson, same with him and some other guy

1812
01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:02.760
<v Speaker 2>that was up here. It's like, all I do is

1813
01:47:02.800 --> 01:47:05.479
<v Speaker 2>send a simple message saying, would you like to have

1814
01:47:05.520 --> 01:47:08.560
<v Speaker 2>a formal debate. We can do it moderated or conversational,

1815
01:47:09.079 --> 01:47:24.000
<v Speaker 2>and then you get meltdowns as wild Greg Bobby c

1816
01:47:24.159 --> 01:47:27.039
<v Speaker 2>five dollars by her logic, New Year's Eve is a

1817
01:47:27.079 --> 01:47:34.199
<v Speaker 2>celebration of the pagan worship of Janice. Exactly what's up, Greg,

1818
01:47:36.399 --> 01:47:37.119
<v Speaker 2>and what's going on?

1819
01:47:37.199 --> 01:47:37.520
<v Speaker 9>Jay?

1820
01:47:37.880 --> 01:47:41.239
<v Speaker 33>So I have a question that I'd like to get

1821
01:47:41.239 --> 01:47:45.279
<v Speaker 33>your perspective on and see if you're able to reconcile.

1822
01:47:46.239 --> 01:47:51.119
<v Speaker 33>So in Matthew twenty four, verse thirty, it says that

1823
01:47:51.199 --> 01:47:55.159
<v Speaker 33>the coming of the Son of Man would occur, and

1824
01:47:55.239 --> 01:47:57.079
<v Speaker 33>that his audience would see.

1825
01:47:57.479 --> 01:47:58.520
<v Speaker 4>The coming of the Son of Man.

1826
01:47:58.560 --> 01:48:01.680
<v Speaker 33>In Verse thirty four states all those things will take

1827
01:48:01.720 --> 01:48:04.279
<v Speaker 33>place before the passing of that generation.

1828
01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:07.439
<v Speaker 2>Let's called preterism. I've argued for it, done many videos

1829
01:48:07.479 --> 01:48:09.800
<v Speaker 2>on it. So that's seventy eight. He came in judgment,

1830
01:48:09.920 --> 01:48:12.399
<v Speaker 2>just like Ezekiel and Isaiah says that God coming in

1831
01:48:12.479 --> 01:48:16.680
<v Speaker 2>judgment on the clouds against Egypt or against God Israel's

1832
01:48:16.760 --> 01:48:21.000
<v Speaker 2>enemies is a coming, sure, and.

1833
01:48:20.960 --> 01:48:22.319
<v Speaker 4>I don't have any problem with that.

1834
01:48:22.960 --> 01:48:26.760
<v Speaker 33>My challenge, however, to you, is how do you, or

1835
01:48:27.680 --> 01:48:32.159
<v Speaker 33>even anyone else, for that matter, postulates a yet future.

1836
01:48:32.319 --> 01:48:33.159
<v Speaker 4>Coming of the Lord?

1837
01:48:33.239 --> 01:48:35.279
<v Speaker 33>If that coming to the Lord that Jesus mentioned in

1838
01:48:35.279 --> 01:48:37.960
<v Speaker 33>Matthew twenty four was fulfilled in eighty.

1839
01:48:37.760 --> 01:48:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Seventy did you not call in recently about this very

1840
01:48:41.880 --> 01:48:44.039
<v Speaker 2>same subject matter? Do we not already have this conversation.

1841
01:48:46.159 --> 01:48:49.239
<v Speaker 33>I don't know what recent is, because I haven't talked

1842
01:48:49.239 --> 01:48:49.920
<v Speaker 33>to you about this.

1843
01:48:50.960 --> 01:48:51.600
<v Speaker 4>I tried to.

1844
01:48:51.560 --> 01:48:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Ask, you don't know what recent is?

1845
01:48:53.399 --> 01:48:56.159
<v Speaker 33>I mean, well, I mean because if you mean recent,

1846
01:48:56.319 --> 01:48:57.399
<v Speaker 33>maybe six months ago.

1847
01:48:57.520 --> 01:48:58.680
<v Speaker 4>I tried to call in.

1848
01:48:59.159 --> 01:49:02.840
<v Speaker 33>And we didn't have a lengthy conversation. He just booted

1849
01:49:02.880 --> 01:49:06.720
<v Speaker 33>me out, but with recent as like a last month, no,

1850
01:49:07.359 --> 01:49:07.880
<v Speaker 33>or two months?

1851
01:49:07.880 --> 01:49:10.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, there was a guy who asked the exact

1852
01:49:10.079 --> 01:49:12.439
<v Speaker 2>same question maybe two weeks ago, so I thought maybe

1853
01:49:12.439 --> 01:49:17.159
<v Speaker 2>that was you. But yeah, I believe in a double fulfillment.

1854
01:49:17.399 --> 01:49:21.159
<v Speaker 2>Just like in the Maccabees, you have a double fulfillment

1855
01:49:21.199 --> 01:49:26.560
<v Speaker 2>for the profanation of the temple under the Maccabees that

1856
01:49:26.680 --> 01:49:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Jesus says the desolation is seventy eight? So is that two?

1857
01:49:30.840 --> 01:49:34.199
<v Speaker 2>Is that two things.

1858
01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:36.800
<v Speaker 9>Of the Maccabean revolved.

1859
01:49:37.199 --> 01:49:39.560
<v Speaker 2>The profi nation of the temple under the Maccabees, that's

1860
01:49:39.600 --> 01:49:44.479
<v Speaker 2>called the abomination? So is that too? Is that too? Okay?

1861
01:49:44.479 --> 01:49:46.760
<v Speaker 2>So it's possible for these to be mirrored.

1862
01:49:48.560 --> 01:49:51.079
<v Speaker 33>Uh, you know, I believe that there's a possibility of

1863
01:49:51.159 --> 01:49:51.960
<v Speaker 33>dual fulfillment.

1864
01:49:52.840 --> 01:49:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So there's a dual fulfillment of the removal of

1865
01:49:56.840 --> 01:50:00.319
<v Speaker 2>the tabernacle of the entire universe because the time was

1866
01:50:00.359 --> 01:50:02.720
<v Speaker 2>a symbol of the tabernacle of the universe according to

1867
01:50:02.720 --> 01:50:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Hebrews seven. That hasn't happened yet.

1868
01:50:07.079 --> 01:50:11.960
<v Speaker 33>Now so now here, here's here's my contention, Because if

1869
01:50:12.199 --> 01:50:15.760
<v Speaker 33>we're gonna say that dual fulfillment is possible, right.

1870
01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:19.520
<v Speaker 2>You just admitted it was no, no, and I agree.

1871
01:50:19.239 --> 01:50:22.319
<v Speaker 4>I agree, But why not?

1872
01:50:22.520 --> 01:50:26.760
<v Speaker 33>Why can someone not say tri fulfillment or quad fulfillment.

1873
01:50:27.640 --> 01:50:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Because the eschatological removal of the universe a lah Hebrews

1874
01:50:33.880 --> 01:50:38.399
<v Speaker 2>and what the temple signified would would by definition be

1875
01:50:38.479 --> 01:50:40.760
<v Speaker 2>the eschatological final one. There wouldn't be a third one.

1876
01:50:42.279 --> 01:50:42.640
<v Speaker 9>Okay.

1877
01:50:42.680 --> 01:50:45.079
<v Speaker 4>So and this is where we have agreement, is that

1878
01:50:45.119 --> 01:50:47.159
<v Speaker 4>there's only two. Now here's my problem.

1879
01:50:47.279 --> 01:50:50.359
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, you're you just asserted that the thing that

1880
01:50:50.479 --> 01:50:52.960
<v Speaker 2>is not clear. You said there's only two, meaning that

1881
01:50:53.039 --> 01:50:55.479
<v Speaker 2>you think it's just seventy eight D. I just got

1882
01:50:55.479 --> 01:50:58.720
<v Speaker 2>you to admit that it's possible. Where was the removal

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<v Speaker 2>of the universe and it's tabernacle?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you talking about it in eighty seventy?

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<v Speaker 2>That was the removal? That was the removal of the temple.

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01:51:09.840 --> 01:51:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Where was the removal of Where was the removal of

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01:51:12.920 --> 01:51:14.920
<v Speaker 2>what the temple symbolized.

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<v Speaker 4>So that that was them?

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<v Speaker 2>Where what does the temple symbolize Heaven and Earth? Where

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01:51:24.199 --> 01:51:25.520
<v Speaker 2>was the removal of heaven and earth?

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<v Speaker 4>But that's what you're not understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I do understand. I know what full Preterism says,

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01:51:31.439 --> 01:51:34.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'm getting you to point out to understand that

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<v Speaker 2>the removal of the temple is signifying, according to Hebrews,

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01:51:38.960 --> 01:51:43.159
<v Speaker 2>the removal of the literal physical cosmos, the heavens and

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<v Speaker 2>the earth.

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<v Speaker 33>But that that's presupposing that it's referring to the literal

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<v Speaker 33>heaven and earth.

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<v Speaker 9>My gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>So if the temple, if the temple is a symbol

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<v Speaker 2>of the heavens and the earth, and the temples destroyed,

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01:52:00.640 --> 01:52:04.399
<v Speaker 2>that's a prophetic prediction of the destruction of the thing

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01:52:04.720 --> 01:52:05.760
<v Speaker 2>that it signifies.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but it was removed under the Babylon. Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Just what was removed?

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<v Speaker 4>The temple by neb was already destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>The temple in Jesus's day, the one that he calls

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<v Speaker 2>the the abomination of desolation, the one that Hebrews is

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<v Speaker 2>referring to. Hebrews is not referring to Nebicaneseer's temple. Hebrews

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<v Speaker 2>is not referring to Nebucaneser era temple. Why are you

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01:52:37.359 --> 01:52:40.000
<v Speaker 2>getting madgic and now you're changing the subject to make

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01:52:40.039 --> 01:52:44.159
<v Speaker 2>it personal. Is Hebrews referring to Nebucaneseer's simple Is Hebrews

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01:52:44.199 --> 01:52:50.800
<v Speaker 2>referring to nobicaneseer, simple, where is Hebrews referring to Nebucaneser's temple.

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<v Speaker 4>Is referring to the temple in eight?

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<v Speaker 2>Correct? And that signified what you already admitted, the heavens

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<v Speaker 2>and the earth?

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<v Speaker 9>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right? So when was the destruction of the heavens

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01:53:03.680 --> 01:53:06.039
<v Speaker 2>and the earth the thing the temple stands for?

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<v Speaker 9>All?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, exactly? This is why I booted you, because this

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01:53:11.920 --> 01:53:23.439
<v Speaker 2>is so stupid. Oh my gosh, there's the genius of

1923
01:53:23.720 --> 01:53:26.920
<v Speaker 2>full preterism, folks, the guys who believe that the Bali

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01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:31.279
<v Speaker 2>resurrection already happened. There you go. You see that the

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01:53:31.319 --> 01:53:36.319
<v Speaker 2>thing that it signifies was fulfilled when it was destroyed.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine being this stupid wid seth.

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<v Speaker 9>Hey, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up?

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<v Speaker 9>Hi?

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<v Speaker 31>I'm a Protestant and I like to be pannon.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, have time?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 26>Yeah, So I read that book you recommended, The Formation

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01:54:07.039 --> 01:54:07.720
<v Speaker 26>of Cannon.

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<v Speaker 9>By by Lee.

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<v Speaker 26>Martin McDonald's and yeah, I was surprised about you know

1937
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<v Speaker 26>how liberal he was actually, and and yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well F F. Bruce is a conservative and he

1939
01:54:19.600 --> 01:54:21.720
<v Speaker 2>says a lot of the same stuff, so does yours.

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<v Speaker 2>Love of Pelican.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand that.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you well, have you read those books?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>You read all those books.

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<v Speaker 9>Yes, I read Bruce's book. I read Martin McDonald's book.

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<v Speaker 9>I read Krueger's.

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<v Speaker 4>Book on the canon and Pelican.

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<v Speaker 31>Not Pelicanya No, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 26>Anyways, I just don't think that they put all the

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01:54:50.079 --> 01:54:52.560
<v Speaker 26>pieces together and so they give a good data.

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<v Speaker 2>Well all they all I'm getting right, But all I'm

1952
01:54:55.000 --> 01:54:57.520
<v Speaker 2>getting from them is that they admit this crucial role

1953
01:54:57.560 --> 01:55:01.720
<v Speaker 2>of tradition, and that pretty much ends Protestant them.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think so necessarily.

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<v Speaker 2>Because yeah, good, so tell me why, yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, sure.

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<v Speaker 31>Uh well, so solo scripture isn't against tradition.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that I know what you think.

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<v Speaker 16>I know.

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<v Speaker 26>Yeah, well you asked me to tell you some somehow

1961
01:55:18.720 --> 01:55:23.039
<v Speaker 26>to tell you. But uh so, solo scriptura isn't against tradition.

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<v Speaker 26>It's just saying, scriptures our highest authority. So tradition is

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01:55:26.399 --> 01:55:29.399
<v Speaker 26>an authority, it's just not a infallible authority.

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<v Speaker 2>Do the do the apostles consider their verbal preaching the

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<v Speaker 2>word of God?

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<v Speaker 9>Yes?

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01:55:36.680 --> 01:55:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay? Is that binding?

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<v Speaker 9>Yes? It's binding?

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01:55:41.039 --> 01:55:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 26>We don't have any oral teaching from them. It's not

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01:55:46.119 --> 01:55:52.119
<v Speaker 26>containing scripture. How do you know that, Uh, there's no evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Well no, you're saying that, but I mean the Orthodox Church,

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01:55:56.359 --> 01:55:59.199
<v Speaker 2>the Roman Catholic Church, believes that there is evidence of that.

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<v Speaker 2>So how do you prove that there is no evidence

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<v Speaker 2>of that?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 26>Because well it's more so lack of evidence. That's the

1978
01:56:07.920 --> 01:56:15.239
<v Speaker 26>reason why. Okay, well he doesn't understand why that the

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01:56:15.319 --> 01:56:18.720
<v Speaker 26>Roman Catholic Church in Eastern Orthoxy claim that they do

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<v Speaker 26>have tradition outside of scripture.

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<v Speaker 31>But but just their belief doesn't prove that.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't say that the belief and it did. I'm

1983
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<v Speaker 2>saying that we believe that there is that, and I

1984
01:56:26.239 --> 01:56:28.039
<v Speaker 2>want to know how you know that that doesn't exist.

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<v Speaker 26>Yeah, well I'm well, first of all, I'm saying it's

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01:56:34.119 --> 01:56:36.520
<v Speaker 26>possible it exists, but we just don't have any evidence

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01:56:36.560 --> 01:56:36.760
<v Speaker 26>of it.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you know that there's no evidence when I

1989
01:56:39.159 --> 01:56:42.319
<v Speaker 2>can give you the tradition of liturgical historians who talk

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01:56:42.359 --> 01:56:46.359
<v Speaker 2>about the Apostolic liturgies that are not found in the scriptures.

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<v Speaker 26>Yeah, those liturgies exist, but we can't prove that they

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01:56:51.319 --> 01:56:53.760
<v Speaker 26>go back to the Apostles in the exact same way

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<v Speaker 26>with all the hotels.

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<v Speaker 2>Can we prove that Matthew wrote Matthew's Gospel.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can have high confidence in that.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, no, how do you prove that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's through the church fathers.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, that's tradition. That's an Apostolic.

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<v Speaker 4>Tradition, and tradition does not contradiction.

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<v Speaker 2>You just said that there's not Apostolic traditions, and now

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01:57:15.880 --> 01:57:18.279
<v Speaker 2>you're admitting that there is one that Matthew wrote Matthew.

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<v Speaker 26>No, I'm saying there's no Apostolic tradition outside of the

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01:57:22.920 --> 01:57:23.880
<v Speaker 26>teaching of scripture.

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<v Speaker 2>What about the authorship of Matthew.

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<v Speaker 26>Yes, yes, the authorship of Matthew is outside of scripture,

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<v Speaker 26>thank you.

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<v Speaker 31>Not infallible, but it's not an infallible teaching.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're you can assert that, but it refutes your

2009
01:57:38.000 --> 01:57:41.880
<v Speaker 2>previous claim that there's not Apostolic tradition outside of the Gospels.

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<v Speaker 2>And I gave you the example of Matthew's authorship, which

2011
01:57:44.680 --> 01:57:47.840
<v Speaker 2>now you're saying it is, so you contradicted yourself.

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<v Speaker 26>No, I'm saying there is, you know, an Apostolic tradition

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01:57:53.479 --> 01:57:54.399
<v Speaker 26>outside of scripture.

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<v Speaker 2>You said that there's no evidence for that, there's no

2015
01:57:56.920 --> 01:57:59.760
<v Speaker 2>proof for that. You just contradicted yourself by saying that

2016
01:57:59.800 --> 01:58:04.479
<v Speaker 2>the authorship of Matthew is an Apostolic tradition. No, no,

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01:58:04.520 --> 01:58:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I said, yes you did.

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<v Speaker 31>Oh no, I said that there is tradition outside of Scripture.

2019
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<v Speaker 2>Like Matthew's authorship.

2020
01:58:14.680 --> 01:58:16.960
<v Speaker 31>Yes, but that's not an infallible tradition.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you've moved the goalpost because you're inserting the word

2022
01:58:20.279 --> 01:58:23.760
<v Speaker 2>infallible that was never part of it. Is it an

2023
01:58:23.760 --> 01:58:30.079
<v Speaker 2>Apostolic tradition outside of scripture? Is it an apostolture?

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<v Speaker 4>That?

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<v Speaker 2>Stop trying to change the subject when you just contradict yourself. Man,

2026
01:58:33.439 --> 01:58:33.920
<v Speaker 2>is it or not?

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01:58:38.159 --> 01:58:38.760
<v Speaker 24>Is it or not?

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<v Speaker 2>No, don't hold on.

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01:58:42.239 --> 01:58:42.720
<v Speaker 5>Is it or not?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a simple question. Either it's apisoltic tradition or it's not.

2031
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<v Speaker 2>I don't care about infallible. Yeah you said it, Okay,

2032
01:58:49.880 --> 01:58:52.920
<v Speaker 2>you could call that. Two minutes ago you said there's

2033
01:58:52.960 --> 01:58:58.239
<v Speaker 2>no evidence for extra normanta or extra biblical Apostolic tradition.

2034
01:58:59.319 --> 01:59:01.039
<v Speaker 2>So you just contradicted yourself.

2035
01:59:01.880 --> 01:59:04.039
<v Speaker 4>Well, maybe I should have made myself more clear, or.

2036
01:59:04.000 --> 01:59:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Maybe you just shouldn't have contradicted.

2037
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<v Speaker 26>Well, no, I don't think I contradicted because I I didn't.

2038
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<v Speaker 2>No, you didn't qualify it to where you can get

2039
01:59:15.680 --> 01:59:18.680
<v Speaker 2>out of the contradiction. You said that there are no

2040
01:59:19.079 --> 01:59:22.520
<v Speaker 2>apostolic traditions that we have any evidence for or proof for.

2041
01:59:23.359 --> 01:59:25.960
<v Speaker 2>You literally just contradicted yourself with the authorship of Matthew

2042
01:59:26.000 --> 01:59:26.800
<v Speaker 2>two minutes later.

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01:59:28.439 --> 01:59:30.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I didn't get a chance to qualify myself, and.

2044
01:59:30.640 --> 01:59:33.000
<v Speaker 2>So maybe so because it's a country, you can't qualify

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01:59:33.039 --> 01:59:34.239
<v Speaker 2>yourself out of a contradiction.

2046
01:59:35.399 --> 01:59:36.800
<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think it's a contradiction.

2047
01:59:36.920 --> 01:59:40.279
<v Speaker 2>I know you don't think that, but everybody heard you contradict.

2048
01:59:41.279 --> 01:59:42.680
<v Speaker 4>No, I don't think it's a contradiction.

2049
01:59:42.800 --> 01:59:44.840
<v Speaker 2>How is it not a contradiction when it's literally the

2050
01:59:44.920 --> 01:59:49.199
<v Speaker 2>reverse of the previous statement? Because I think myself, how

2051
01:59:49.359 --> 01:59:51.840
<v Speaker 2>is qualifying it going to get you out of a

2052
01:59:51.920 --> 01:59:56.199
<v Speaker 2>proposition and its negation? The entire chat, the entire chat

2053
01:59:56.319 --> 01:59:59.159
<v Speaker 2>believes that you contradicted yourself. So how do you get

2054
01:59:59.199 --> 01:59:59.600
<v Speaker 2>out of it?

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<v Speaker 26>And I'll explain a few of me. Okay, So my

2056
02:00:04.880 --> 02:00:09.079
<v Speaker 26>argument is, yes, there is addition outside.

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02:00:10.079 --> 02:00:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes, did you claim that there is no evidence? You

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02:00:13.720 --> 02:00:16.680
<v Speaker 2>said there's no evidence of that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I said there's no evidence of infallible.

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<v Speaker 2>Bind No, no, now you're changing infallible. The question was Apostolic tradition, Okay,

2061
02:00:27.279 --> 02:00:29.720
<v Speaker 2>whether you think it's infallible or whether you think it's infallible.

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<v Speaker 2>I said, do you think that the Apostles believed that

2063
02:00:33.279 --> 02:00:37.279
<v Speaker 2>their oral traditions were the word of God? And you

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02:00:37.319 --> 02:00:41.039
<v Speaker 2>said yes. I said, are they binding? You said they

2065
02:00:41.079 --> 02:00:43.199
<v Speaker 2>would be, But we don't have any of that. There's

2066
02:00:43.199 --> 02:00:46.199
<v Speaker 2>no evidence of that. Two minutes later, you said that

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<v Speaker 2>there is apostolic tradition of the Fathers that Matthew wrote, Matthew,

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02:00:50.680 --> 02:00:53.960
<v Speaker 2>that's a contradiction because now you're saying there is evidence

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02:00:54.000 --> 02:00:57.640
<v Speaker 2>of Apostolic tradition outside of the scriptures. It doesn't matter.

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<v Speaker 2>You can deflect into whether it's infallible or fallible. That

2071
02:01:02.000 --> 02:01:05.640
<v Speaker 2>has nothing to do with the proposition. There is no evidence,

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02:01:06.079 --> 02:01:08.920
<v Speaker 2>there is evidence. That is a contradiction, and I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>going to listen to you lie about what you said. Henry.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, j how's it going, man, what's on your mind? Hey?

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<v Speaker 18>So, I'm glad I'm finally able to talk to you, buddy.

2076
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<v Speaker 18>So earlier you were talking about the history of Pentecostalism,

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02:01:36.359 --> 02:01:38.720
<v Speaker 18>and I actually have kind.

2078
02:01:38.560 --> 02:01:41.640
<v Speaker 4>Of dug into this a little bit. Excuse me, And.

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<v Speaker 18>I really hope that there's some people who believe in

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<v Speaker 18>the tongue speaking stuff that's still listening because their own

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02:01:50.239 --> 02:01:57.079
<v Speaker 18>writers admit that at first the tongue speaking stuff was

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<v Speaker 18>legitimate languages. So you know, you were talking earlier about

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<v Speaker 18>Charles parm Right, So he this dud's wild man. So

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<v Speaker 18>first of all, he leaves Bible College because he thought

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<v Speaker 18>that you know, edimication would separate him from the hoest spirit.

2086
02:02:16.600 --> 02:02:19.239
<v Speaker 18>And so then he opens up a Bible College down

2087
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<v Speaker 18>in Kansas in like eighteen or late eighteen nineties, and

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02:02:24.880 --> 02:02:31.199
<v Speaker 18>he specifically teaches that he can evoke the Holy Spirit

2089
02:02:31.359 --> 02:02:35.560
<v Speaker 18>to have a second Pentecost Wow where his people can

2090
02:02:35.640 --> 02:02:39.279
<v Speaker 18>learn legitimate languages. Okay, so a bunch of people join

2091
02:02:39.920 --> 02:02:42.840
<v Speaker 18>and he goes through this whole rigamarole. He sends these

2092
02:02:42.880 --> 02:02:46.560
<v Speaker 18>people out like he thinks they've taught him and all

2093
02:02:46.600 --> 02:02:48.920
<v Speaker 18>this stuff, and I'll give you a reference for this

2094
02:02:48.960 --> 02:02:51.760
<v Speaker 18>here in a minute. And so they all go out,

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02:02:51.760 --> 02:02:54.960
<v Speaker 18>and obviously we all know what happens. None of these

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<v Speaker 18>people learn, you know, can speak to the you know,

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<v Speaker 18>Chinese and you know, Vietnamese and wherever they're going. So

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<v Speaker 18>then it's after the fact that he says, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 18>you know, actually it's you know, gobbledegook angel language.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's actually a really good.

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<v Speaker 18>Book on this by a Pentecostal pastor who freely admits

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<v Speaker 18>all this stuff. It's it's Larry Martin, and it's the

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<v Speaker 18>Topeka the Topeka Outpouring, and he freely admits this stuff.

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<v Speaker 18>And then the funny thing is is that he gets

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<v Speaker 18>his Bible College closes and then after the fact, you

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<v Speaker 18>know who comes calling is William J. Seymour and Parham

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<v Speaker 18>actually ordains quote well, I mean quote unquote ordains William

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<v Speaker 18>Seymour and then he goes off.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the Zusus Street Revival happens.

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<v Speaker 18>So this whole thing about you know, I'm a speaking

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<v Speaker 18>an angel language, you know, it's all nonsense. They didn't

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<v Speaker 18>even believe that. And the book that I mentioned actually

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<v Speaker 18>has the Bethel Bible College, that's the name of the college.

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<v Speaker 18>It has their stuff in it where they're specifically talking

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<v Speaker 18>about evoking the Holy Spirit to learn a language, just

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<v Speaker 18>as the Apostles did at Pentecost. It was never an

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<v Speaker 18>angel language or anything like that. And and even their

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<v Speaker 18>own people admit this, But I mean, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 18>these people don't even know their own history you know.

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<v Speaker 18>And I dug into this because I have family that

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<v Speaker 18>are Pentecostals, right and you know, dude, it's called I mean,

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<v Speaker 18>it really is, you know, because you bring this stuff

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<v Speaker 18>up and they get all pissed off at you and they're, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 18>you know, how do you know that's true?

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm like, bro, these are your people right now.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that. That's very helpful. I had no

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<v Speaker 2>idea about any of that.

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<v Speaker 18>Yeah, it's wild, man, it's but uh yeah, it's Larry

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<v Speaker 18>Martin the Topeka Outpouring of.

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<v Speaker 4>Nineteen oh one.

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<v Speaker 18>It's it's I mean, it's it's a it's a quick read,

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<v Speaker 18>but I mean it's got firsthand witness accounts. It's got

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<v Speaker 18>their own writings from Bethel Bible College, it's got Charles

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<v Speaker 18>Parham's writings, and it like it's I mean, and they.

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<v Speaker 4>Freely admit all this stuff. So I just wanted to

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<v Speaker 4>bring it up.

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<v Speaker 18>I know you talked about it earlier, man, and you know,

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<v Speaker 18>I know it was a debate, but you know, I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's a you can you can call in and

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<v Speaker 2>contribute information like that. I appreciate that, Henry. That was

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<v Speaker 2>a really good point. I mean, I did not know

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of that history of that of that group.

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<v Speaker 2>Now again, when people call in and it's informal open

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<v Speaker 2>chat and you contradict, I will boot you because I

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<v Speaker 2>see that as a as a dishonest form of debate

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<v Speaker 2>and engagement. And the guy literally said that there is

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<v Speaker 2>no evidence for extra biblical Patristic tradition. Doesn't matter whether

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<v Speaker 2>you think it's binding or not right, there's no evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Two minutes later, he says, Matthew wrote Matthew's Gospel. We

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<v Speaker 2>know that from Patristic tradition and testimony. That's a contradiction. Guys,

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<v Speaker 2>those are two contradictory claims by his own admission. And

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<v Speaker 2>if he had said, okay, you're right, fair point, I

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02:06:14.479 --> 02:06:17.800
<v Speaker 2>did contradict there. You know, if you keep doubling down

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<v Speaker 2>and not answering the questions, then that's when I boot

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<v Speaker 2>and move on. It's that simple. And to the full

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<v Speaker 2>preterist guy, it took me three times asking him the

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<v Speaker 2>question about is Hebrews talking about Nebucannezer's temple? Obviously not, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>then what is it pointing to? He admitted, it's pointing

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<v Speaker 2>to the destruction of the heavens and the Earth. Then

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<v Speaker 2>its destruction is a foreshadowing of the destruction of the

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<v Speaker 2>heavens in the earth. Yeah, but it already happened. When

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<v Speaker 2>did that happen? When the temple was destroyed? Uh, heavens

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02:07:03.640 --> 02:07:07.199
<v Speaker 2>and Earth are not destroyed. There's no conflagration yet. What's

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<v Speaker 2>up man?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 34>I know you have like five thousand videos on TAG

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02:07:14.199 --> 02:07:16.960
<v Speaker 34>and I don't know if I watch all of them,

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<v Speaker 34>but I watched. I watch pretty much every single one

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<v Speaker 34>I can find. I just have a few questions about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not TAG Day, so it's specifically it's okay, specifically

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<v Speaker 2>listed as the topics, and it's evangelicalism, charismaticism, Calvinism, Catholicism.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not TAG Day. But maybe next time, Saint Strengths.

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<v Speaker 2>What's up man?

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<v Speaker 4>Hello?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, well's up?

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<v Speaker 4>Jay?

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<v Speaker 35>I appreciate bringing me up here. My happy Eastern to you.

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<v Speaker 35>And I recently discovered your channel and I really enjoy

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<v Speaker 35>your content. And I had a question. Uh, I'm from Iran,

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<v Speaker 35>I'm Persian and I was atheists, and I had I

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<v Speaker 35>don't want to make it long my story my testimony,

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<v Speaker 35>so I pretty much had a very spiritual encounter with

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<v Speaker 35>Jesus I have visions of him, and I pretty much

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<v Speaker 35>got driven into the Christianity, Christian lifestyle, and Jesus really

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<v Speaker 35>did change my life.

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<v Speaker 4>But here's the thing I'm really interested in.

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<v Speaker 35>In the Eastern Orthodox Church, but in Iran you cannot

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<v Speaker 35>convert to Christianity because.

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<v Speaker 9>There's a death penalty for it. There's literally a death penalty.

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<v Speaker 35>Like if I if I announce that I'm Christian, I

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<v Speaker 35>would be dead. They would probably prison me, they'll probably

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<v Speaker 35>rasse my family.

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<v Speaker 9>They would do all of that.

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<v Speaker 4>So I I.

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<v Speaker 35>Know in the Eastern Orthodox Church you have to be

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<v Speaker 35>baptized to enter the Kingdom of heavens.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, I don't. I mean if you so, if

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<v Speaker 2>you are not able to get to baptism, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>your fault. We're not. I mean, there is baptism of

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02:09:20.479 --> 02:09:24.399
<v Speaker 2>desire and the church is always held to that. So no,

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<v Speaker 2>you would not be liable for something that was not

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<v Speaker 2>under your control. Now, if you're able to move and

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02:09:30.520 --> 02:09:32.520
<v Speaker 2>leave the country, maybe that's the way out of it,

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02:09:33.640 --> 02:09:36.319
<v Speaker 2>or you know, maybe even a secret baptism could be

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<v Speaker 2>a range or something like that. But no, if if

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<v Speaker 2>it's under no fault of your own, you're not it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like in the church, a cate human who's murdered. Uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we still consider them part of the church.

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<v Speaker 2>So no, you're doing good man. That's that's good to

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<v Speaker 2>hear and uh, you know that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, uh, let's see.

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<v Speaker 2>Saw Heil. Oh, here we go. I'm you.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh what's up, Jock?

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<v Speaker 21>Hey, So I know you probably heard like the cleave

2215
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<v Speaker 21>to antiquity guy. Yeah, he said, like he was posting

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<v Speaker 21>on his YouTube page about like if canons can change,

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02:10:34.520 --> 02:10:38.159
<v Speaker 21>like but being reinterpreted by a priest or bishop based

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<v Speaker 21>on the area.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the same guy. So it's the same guy that

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<v Speaker 2>he'ps making the one follower. Okay, it's like it's like

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02:10:55.439 --> 02:10:58.359
<v Speaker 2>he so from now on, I'm just gonna check and

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<v Speaker 2>if you have one follower, I'm not gonna go to you.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's the new rule here flow zoos fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>She wanted it to be true without logic or facts

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02:11:22.600 --> 02:11:25.319
<v Speaker 2>that could penetrate what she was thinking. Thank you for

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02:11:25.359 --> 02:11:27.319
<v Speaker 2>trying to keep doing what you're doing. You're a warrior.

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<v Speaker 2>It's scary how illogical that person was. Christ has risen.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I mean people have a hard time I

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02:11:38.680 --> 02:11:43.760
<v Speaker 2>guess thinking about flowing. Mute man, what's up about language?

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02:11:44.560 --> 02:11:45.039
<v Speaker 4>What's up?

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02:11:45.600 --> 02:11:46.359
<v Speaker 2>What's on your mind?

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02:11:48.159 --> 02:11:50.960
<v Speaker 9>And real quick, you're you can take a couple of

2233
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<v Speaker 9>hot takes.

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02:11:51.520 --> 02:11:54.399
<v Speaker 2>You're right, okay about what's I mean?

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<v Speaker 4>Are you? Are you familiar with Christian identity?

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02:11:57.560 --> 02:11:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, man, So so that's the faith I believe in.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm a firm believer in Christian identity.

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02:12:06.079 --> 02:12:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're laughing, So you're not serious. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>like to shoot o, what's up? What yep?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 9>So me and my wife just got baptized yesterday and Holy.

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02:12:32.800 --> 02:12:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Saturday many years, many years.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 26>That Scott guy is definitely uh, just a phony.

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02:12:39.319 --> 02:12:40.039
<v Speaker 4>It's just a weirdo.

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02:12:40.760 --> 02:12:43.000
<v Speaker 9>And he's so run because our.

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<v Speaker 13>Church just broke the record for the amount of baptisms

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<v Speaker 13>and transmations.

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<v Speaker 4>How many this is like twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and where's this or you don't never mind, you

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02:12:52.720 --> 02:12:53.439
<v Speaker 2>don't have to say where.

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<v Speaker 26>Yeah, and then so this is happening across the whole nation.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, So I got I mean, I talk to

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<v Speaker 2>people every day.

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<v Speaker 26>Like, yeah, this is global, Like this is not a game.

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<v Speaker 9>This is is just awesome.

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02:13:06.680 --> 02:13:09.000
<v Speaker 16>But yeah, I just want to tell you that you've been.

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<v Speaker 4>A big part of our conversion.

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<v Speaker 13>And we're having a baby boy coming up pretty soon

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<v Speaker 13>and we're naming him, uh after Basil m awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good name, man, many years to you. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate that. That's good to hear. Nachene. Oh, we had

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02:13:28.119 --> 02:13:32.600
<v Speaker 2>a lot of farah wild people today. My patience has

2265
02:13:32.640 --> 02:13:34.760
<v Speaker 2>been tested. But I'm trying. What's up? Man?

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02:13:35.960 --> 02:13:36.199
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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02:13:36.239 --> 02:13:36.560
<v Speaker 24>What up?

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02:13:36.680 --> 02:13:36.880
<v Speaker 21>Jay?

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<v Speaker 9>Can you hear me? All right? So you used to

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<v Speaker 9>be Protestant? Right yeah?

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02:13:43.960 --> 02:13:45.560
<v Speaker 4>And how did you go?

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02:13:46.760 --> 02:13:48.159
<v Speaker 9>Like so you pray to Mary?

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02:13:48.239 --> 02:13:49.039
<v Speaker 4>Right now?

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02:13:50.239 --> 02:13:51.720
<v Speaker 2>We asked for Mary's intercession?

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02:13:51.800 --> 02:13:54.399
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, yeah, how did you come?

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02:13:54.560 --> 02:13:58.600
<v Speaker 27>Because how did you get to feeling okay about that?

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<v Speaker 27>Because I'm looking I'm looking into Orthodoxy because I believe

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<v Speaker 27>in the tradition like they have the historical Church.

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<v Speaker 9>From what I believe. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well there, I've got a video on it and that

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<v Speaker 2>would probably be what I recommend because it took me.

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02:14:16.159 --> 02:14:17.800
<v Speaker 2>It did take me a little while to get used

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02:14:17.800 --> 02:14:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to it. It's called what is the Basis for the

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02:14:20.000 --> 02:14:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Veneration of Saint Mary? And this was a reply to

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<v Speaker 2>Isabella de Luca who was posting stuff against you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Marion whatnot. By the way, anybody with like one follower,

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02:14:32.880 --> 02:14:34.520
<v Speaker 2>you might you're wasting your time. I'm not going to

2288
02:14:34.560 --> 02:14:38.079
<v Speaker 2>go to you if you're coming up with uh one follower.

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<v Speaker 2>So check out that video right there. What's up man? Yep,

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02:14:51.600 --> 02:14:53.640
<v Speaker 2>what's on your mind? A. J.

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<v Speaker 4>Christ is risen?

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02:14:55.039 --> 02:14:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Truly he has risen?

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<v Speaker 8>Uh yeah, I just wanted to come in on what

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<v Speaker 8>Scott was saying. I mean, there's tons of people who

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<v Speaker 8>have been edified by the lectures that you give, so

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, it's just flat out wrong.

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<v Speaker 4>I was one of them, so I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 2>That you were what one of them?

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<v Speaker 18>I was?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was one of them. Okay, cool, that's great.

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<v Speaker 8>I just if I if I may ask a question,

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<v Speaker 8>can ask a question about.

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<v Speaker 9>Like politics? Is that all right?

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<v Speaker 2>You can't, it's not really the topic today, but so,

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02:15:32.359 --> 02:15:38.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, I just want people to know that, uh,

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02:15:38.760 --> 02:15:45.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, just on can't even find the They didn't

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02:15:45.760 --> 02:15:47.600
<v Speaker 2>put my name in it, which is kind of shitty.

2308
02:15:47.640 --> 02:15:51.199
<v Speaker 2>But if you look up Fresh and Fit is lom

2309
02:15:51.239 --> 02:15:58.760
<v Speaker 2>debate just on YouTube, it has a million views. Now

2310
02:15:59.239 --> 02:16:01.479
<v Speaker 2>to love your neighbors, So let's take into account what

2311
02:16:01.520 --> 02:16:05.279
<v Speaker 2>that guy said. No one cares, nobody listens to debates.

2312
02:16:06.159 --> 02:16:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Just on YouTube. This has over a million views and

2313
02:16:08.800 --> 02:16:13.399
<v Speaker 2>if you read the comments, you can see thirty seven

2314
02:16:13.479 --> 02:16:21.239
<v Speaker 2>thousand comments and ninety eight percent of them are against Islam. Now,

2315
02:16:21.800 --> 02:16:26.319
<v Speaker 2>in the last few years, that's I think the biggest

2316
02:16:26.760 --> 02:16:30.079
<v Speaker 2>of the Muslim Christian debates. Now that's just here. There

2317
02:16:30.159 --> 02:16:36.239
<v Speaker 2>was also nine hundred thousand on X of the same debate.

2318
02:16:36.959 --> 02:16:42.239
<v Speaker 2>There's three hundred thousand ish or so on Rumble. The

2319
02:16:42.520 --> 02:16:47.159
<v Speaker 2>clips alone are about another million views on this debate

2320
02:16:47.280 --> 02:16:50.159
<v Speaker 2>with the Muslims on all the clips channels, So we

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02:16:50.200 --> 02:16:53.680
<v Speaker 2>could extrapolate that anywhere from three to four million people

2322
02:16:53.840 --> 02:17:00.000
<v Speaker 2>saw some of this debate, with at least almost forty

2323
02:17:00.120 --> 02:17:05.879
<v Speaker 2>thousand people commenting that Islam was refuted. Now, I'm not

2324
02:17:05.920 --> 02:17:11.639
<v Speaker 2>bragging because I didn't lead this debate. Shremoon was taking

2325
02:17:11.680 --> 02:17:14.920
<v Speaker 2>the lead in this debate. I did contribute some good points,

2326
02:17:15.399 --> 02:17:18.680
<v Speaker 2>but I helped set up this debate, So this wouldn't

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02:17:18.719 --> 02:17:24.040
<v Speaker 2>have happened if I had not set it up with Myron.

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02:17:24.200 --> 02:17:29.280
<v Speaker 2>And the idea that like this type of a thing

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02:17:29.399 --> 02:17:30.920
<v Speaker 2>doesn't affect people is insane.

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<v Speaker 4>It's insane.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, and to that point, I mean, it can be Islam,

2332
02:17:34.639 --> 02:17:39.319
<v Speaker 8>it can be agnosticism. I mean I was agnostic, and

2333
02:17:39.360 --> 02:17:43.799
<v Speaker 8>I had a really bad interpretation of Christianity from you know,

2334
02:17:43.799 --> 02:17:47.360
<v Speaker 8>the hypocrisy of Protestantism in Roman Catholics. I had no

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02:17:47.440 --> 02:17:51.000
<v Speaker 8>idea Orthodox even existed. So it's like, if it wasn't

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02:17:51.000 --> 02:17:55.000
<v Speaker 8>for the discourse being had, right, I mean, I wouldn't

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02:17:55.000 --> 02:17:56.920
<v Speaker 8>have even known. And I'm sure a lot of other

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02:17:56.959 --> 02:17:58.479
<v Speaker 8>people feel that way.

2339
02:18:00.079 --> 02:18:00.479
<v Speaker 9>As well.

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02:18:00.920 --> 02:18:03.120
<v Speaker 8>The thing I guess that I had to ask related

2341
02:18:03.680 --> 02:18:04.840
<v Speaker 8>it relates to religion too.

2342
02:18:05.600 --> 02:18:08.959
<v Speaker 4>It's about online being.

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02:18:10.520 --> 02:18:14.399
<v Speaker 8>Kind of essential at this point in modernity for people

2344
02:18:14.399 --> 02:18:17.079
<v Speaker 8>to come to the church in a lot of respects,

2345
02:18:18.959 --> 02:18:22.520
<v Speaker 8>and maybe not the only way, but I think if

2346
02:18:22.559 --> 02:18:22.959
<v Speaker 8>you look.

2347
02:18:22.840 --> 02:18:25.239
<v Speaker 9>At a lot of the young men.

2348
02:18:25.559 --> 02:18:28.799
<v Speaker 8>Attending the Orthodox Church, now, I mean I'm a cadaculum

2349
02:18:28.840 --> 02:18:30.440
<v Speaker 8>on one of them as well, but I see a

2350
02:18:30.479 --> 02:18:31.479
<v Speaker 8>lot of other young men.

2351
02:18:32.120 --> 02:18:35.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean online, I've been people. You go look

2352
02:18:35.079 --> 02:18:38.959
<v Speaker 2>at my Instagram. I've been in pictures coast to coast,

2353
02:18:39.239 --> 02:18:42.479
<v Speaker 2>like multiple times with a lot of people. Not thousands

2354
02:18:42.479 --> 02:18:46.000
<v Speaker 2>of people, but I'm saying extrapolating out I can tell

2355
02:18:46.040 --> 02:18:48.239
<v Speaker 2>you that it is probably in the thousands at least,

2356
02:18:48.360 --> 02:18:50.959
<v Speaker 2>because look, let's just look right here, and this is

2357
02:18:51.000 --> 02:18:54.159
<v Speaker 2>just on the muzzle like fourteen thousand people like the

2358
02:18:54.200 --> 02:18:56.479
<v Speaker 2>comment the internet was the worst thing that could have

2359
02:18:56.479 --> 02:18:58.440
<v Speaker 2>happened to Islam, right, there.

2360
02:18:59.840 --> 02:19:03.799
<v Speaker 8>A lot of engagement, So, I mean, it's definitely true.

2361
02:19:04.040 --> 02:19:08.120
<v Speaker 8>I mean I was having a conversation in Jimbob's discord

2362
02:19:08.159 --> 02:19:12.079
<v Speaker 8>about how, you know, a lot of people don't really

2363
02:19:12.120 --> 02:19:15.639
<v Speaker 8>realize that the online debates base a lot of this

2364
02:19:15.959 --> 02:19:21.559
<v Speaker 8>stuff getting sorted out is if it didn't exist and

2365
02:19:21.799 --> 02:19:26.000
<v Speaker 8>people weren't fighting on the front lines of the Internet.

2366
02:19:26.600 --> 02:19:29.600
<v Speaker 8>I mean, imagine how many people wouldn't have come to

2367
02:19:29.639 --> 02:19:30.000
<v Speaker 8>the church.

2368
02:19:31.360 --> 02:19:36.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah exactly, Yeah, Well thanks man, I appreciate that. Good comments,

2369
02:19:36.360 --> 02:19:41.639
<v Speaker 2>and again like, yes, I did. I understand that God's

2370
02:19:41.680 --> 02:19:44.879
<v Speaker 2>providence is a key thing here. Obviously, Divine grace is

2371
02:19:44.920 --> 02:19:48.959
<v Speaker 2>a key thing here. And it's not just me, it's

2372
02:19:49.159 --> 02:19:53.120
<v Speaker 2>many people now together and what we you know, the

2373
02:19:53.120 --> 02:19:54.840
<v Speaker 2>funny thing was that what we said we would do

2374
02:19:55.000 --> 02:19:57.520
<v Speaker 2>in the beginning of the discord was we wanted to

2375
02:19:57.600 --> 02:20:00.159
<v Speaker 2>train a bunch of guys that were able to to

2376
02:20:00.200 --> 02:20:02.280
<v Speaker 2>do the types of things that we do over here.

2377
02:20:02.319 --> 02:20:05.760
<v Speaker 2>And that's what we did. And so we got Orthodox

2378
02:20:05.760 --> 02:20:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Shahada out of that, We got David Rhan's channel out

2379
02:20:09.319 --> 02:20:12.639
<v Speaker 2>of that, right, FDA has his channel and his conference

2380
02:20:12.680 --> 02:20:16.520
<v Speaker 2>out of that, okay, and these things are happening all

2381
02:20:16.559 --> 02:20:20.239
<v Speaker 2>the time. Right, all of this just came out of

2382
02:20:20.280 --> 02:20:27.719
<v Speaker 2>that twelve thousand member discord, and these all of these

2383
02:20:27.959 --> 02:20:33.440
<v Speaker 2>these large Islamic debates also came out of that miliu. Right.

2384
02:20:33.479 --> 02:20:37.319
<v Speaker 2>It was basically Lewis and Kai were the pioneers of

2385
02:20:37.360 --> 02:20:40.079
<v Speaker 2>all this. I didn't even think about Islam. Islam was

2386
02:20:40.120 --> 02:20:43.280
<v Speaker 2>not on my radar. Lewis and Kai were telling me

2387
02:20:43.879 --> 02:20:46.840
<v Speaker 2>years ago, you might as well get ready and prepared

2388
02:20:46.879 --> 02:20:50.000
<v Speaker 2>to debate Islam. And I'm like, why is that? Because

2389
02:20:50.479 --> 02:20:53.360
<v Speaker 2>it's everywhere in the UK and it's coming to a

2390
02:20:54.000 --> 02:20:56.959
<v Speaker 2>theater near you. And that was absolutely right. They were

2391
02:20:57.000 --> 02:21:01.120
<v Speaker 2>telling me that in twenty seventeen. So we started preparing

2392
02:21:01.200 --> 02:21:04.719
<v Speaker 2>for that, the invasion of Islam into the West. And

2393
02:21:04.760 --> 02:21:07.360
<v Speaker 2>here we are twenty twenty five, and that's exactly where

2394
02:21:07.399 --> 02:21:13.000
<v Speaker 2>we are. Now. Come over here to my channel and

2395
02:21:13.040 --> 02:21:19.360
<v Speaker 2>these aren't even that big, but we did. Jake the

2396
02:21:19.440 --> 02:21:24.799
<v Speaker 2>muscle metaphysician, that's hundreds of thousands of views between different channels,

2397
02:21:25.920 --> 02:21:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Me and Daniel Hoikikachu. That's hundreds of thousands of views

2398
02:21:28.479 --> 02:21:33.079
<v Speaker 2>between different channels. Me versus shaik asra Rashid. To my knowledge,

2399
02:21:33.079 --> 02:21:34.719
<v Speaker 2>it's only on one channel, so that was one hundred

2400
02:21:34.719 --> 02:21:37.520
<v Speaker 2>thousand views. But he is a shake so he was

2401
02:21:37.559 --> 02:21:42.360
<v Speaker 2>pretty prominent. Doctor Shabiro Lee debate one hundred and twenty

2402
02:21:42.360 --> 02:21:45.120
<v Speaker 2>thousand views, and that's just my channel. It was also

2403
02:21:45.159 --> 02:21:48.479
<v Speaker 2>on other channels as well. And then I don't see

2404
02:21:48.520 --> 02:21:50.719
<v Speaker 2>the Paul Williams debate, but that one has I don't know,

2405
02:21:50.799 --> 02:21:54.040
<v Speaker 2>around eighty thousands something like that. So again you think

2406
02:21:54.079 --> 02:21:57.280
<v Speaker 2>all that, so what who cares? Well, that's not even

2407
02:21:57.399 --> 02:22:05.879
<v Speaker 2>counting all of the clips views, the clips channels, the archive.

2408
02:22:10.200 --> 02:22:12.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm forgetting all the different clip channels. Many of those

2409
02:22:12.360 --> 02:22:15.879
<v Speaker 2>clips channels have gotten hundreds of thousands of views, particularly

2410
02:22:15.879 --> 02:22:19.280
<v Speaker 2>the Muslim lantern debate, So everybody forget like the Muslim

2411
02:22:19.360 --> 02:22:23.479
<v Speaker 2>lantern sneak O debate. That one got between Rumble YouTube

2412
02:22:23.479 --> 02:22:27.719
<v Speaker 2>and the clips channels probably anywhere from seven hundred eight

2413
02:22:27.799 --> 02:22:31.239
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand views. So again this is hundreds of thousands

2414
02:22:31.280 --> 02:22:36.239
<v Speaker 2>of people seeing Islamic debates and seeing Muslims not do

2415
02:22:36.479 --> 02:22:44.920
<v Speaker 2>very well, you see, and that has an effect? Is

2416
02:22:44.959 --> 02:22:47.600
<v Speaker 2>that going to save Western civilization? Now? I never claimed that,

2417
02:22:48.200 --> 02:22:52.319
<v Speaker 2>and I didn't claim that four million people converted. I

2418
02:22:52.360 --> 02:22:56.520
<v Speaker 2>said four million people Ish watched the debate. I have

2419
02:22:56.600 --> 02:22:59.319
<v Speaker 2>no idea how many people converted out of Islam, because

2420
02:22:59.319 --> 02:23:01.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of country, like you heard that Persian guy

2421
02:23:01.920 --> 02:23:05.079
<v Speaker 2>calling in, a lot of people in Islamic countries see

2422
02:23:05.120 --> 02:23:07.600
<v Speaker 2>these videos and they started out Islam, but they don't.

2423
02:23:07.799 --> 02:23:10.600
<v Speaker 2>There's nothing they can do because their country won't let

2424
02:23:10.639 --> 02:23:15.000
<v Speaker 2>them convert, as that guy was pointing out, So they

2425
02:23:15.040 --> 02:23:19.079
<v Speaker 2>just kind of have to be secret, you know, baptism

2426
02:23:19.159 --> 02:23:22.000
<v Speaker 2>of desire people, which if that's all they can do,

2427
02:23:22.040 --> 02:23:24.360
<v Speaker 2>that's the best they can do. I don't think God's

2428
02:23:24.399 --> 02:23:26.799
<v Speaker 2>going to hold you liable for things that were not

2429
02:23:26.879 --> 02:23:33.520
<v Speaker 2>your fault. And by the way, as far as I

2430
02:23:33.520 --> 02:23:37.799
<v Speaker 2>could tell, I think they actually pulled the Muslim lantern

2431
02:23:37.840 --> 02:23:44.280
<v Speaker 2>debate from Rumble because that's Sneako's main platform, and unless

2432
02:23:44.280 --> 02:23:47.079
<v Speaker 2>I just couldn't find it, or they've titled it something different,

2433
02:23:47.879 --> 02:23:52.120
<v Speaker 2>I was not able to see it. I couldn't see

2434
02:23:52.159 --> 02:23:55.200
<v Speaker 2>it there. In other words, if you remember, after that debate,

2435
02:23:55.319 --> 02:23:58.600
<v Speaker 2>the Muslims themselves shared a poll as to who won,

2436
02:23:59.680 --> 02:24:04.520
<v Speaker 2>and the poll was seventy percent me, thirty percent Muslim Lantern,

2437
02:24:05.399 --> 02:24:09.840
<v Speaker 2>which they didn't like that very much, so unless it's

2438
02:24:10.000 --> 02:24:17.159
<v Speaker 2>just not there anymore. Oh, maybe this is it because

2439
02:24:17.200 --> 02:24:18.920
<v Speaker 2>it was supposed to be Andrew, so it might be

2440
02:24:19.000 --> 02:24:21.799
<v Speaker 2>this one. But it's not my name because Andrew popped

2441
02:24:22.440 --> 02:24:24.639
<v Speaker 2>out and I popped in. Let's see if this is it. Yeah,

2442
02:24:24.639 --> 02:24:26.959
<v Speaker 2>this is it? So it is. It is still there

2443
02:24:28.079 --> 02:24:33.280
<v Speaker 2>with three hundred and fifty thousand views according to Rumble numbers.

2444
02:24:33.280 --> 02:24:35.680
<v Speaker 2>But who knows if Rumble numbers are accurate. So it

2445
02:24:35.760 --> 02:24:37.920
<v Speaker 2>is still there. It's just not my name. They just

2446
02:24:38.000 --> 02:24:41.280
<v Speaker 2>left it as Andrew. But yeah, there you go. So

2447
02:24:47.399 --> 02:24:49.360
<v Speaker 2>that's why I couldn't find it, because it's not my name.

2448
02:24:51.399 --> 02:24:53.239
<v Speaker 2>But I don't think they're going to do me any favors.

2449
02:24:53.360 --> 02:25:07.799
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, all right, let's see you next. All right,

2450
02:25:08.000 --> 02:25:12.000
<v Speaker 2>so we got some Protestants popping up. I'm down to

2451
02:25:12.040 --> 02:25:14.000
<v Speaker 2>do it. Let's do it. I do have to go

2452
02:25:14.040 --> 02:25:16.479
<v Speaker 2>to the little girls room. I gotta go tt So

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02:25:16.680 --> 02:25:18.680
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