Speaker 1: Their shouts of joy could be heard throughout the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: As the prayer meeting overflowed to the front porch, many
Speaker 1: curious neighbors gathered, and soon others begin speaking in tongues
Speaker 1: and praising God. The word spread rapidly by the next morning.
Speaker 2: So again, none of this is speaking in tongues. It's
Speaker 2: just an assumption that gloss a lalia is glossa. It's not.
Speaker 2: One is gibberish, and one is known dialect, and in
Speaker 2: the New Testament it's known dialect a language. Like when
Speaker 2: it says that every tribe, tongue, and nation will confess
Speaker 2: Christ tongue language, it's literally like the lowest tier, just
Speaker 2: uneducated mistake that tongues is gibberish and not aknown language.
Speaker 2: And an argument from silence doesn't prove anything. Well, but
Speaker 2: it doesn't say that there wasn't mister, yeah. This passage
Speaker 2: also doesn't say that God didn't appoint a bunch of
Speaker 2: special nome bishops either, So it's possible. I mean, could
Speaker 2: God create nomes? Yeah? Does this pass just say that
Speaker 2: there weren't no bishops and X two? No, Well, then
Speaker 2: it's possible. So how do we know I mean, do
Speaker 2: you understand how dumb that like? Arguments from silence are
Speaker 2: so stupid? Man, Like, why would you think that there's
Speaker 2: non bishops? Well that's a sorry bro. Well yeah, but
Speaker 2: a transmission of an unknown language that no one knows
Speaker 2: to no one is also as dumb. No, Like, dude,
Speaker 2: I will believe in Nome Hyperborea before I believe that stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, The crowd had grown so great that it was
Speaker 1: difficult to approach the house. The port became a poolpit
Speaker 1: as William Seymour began to preach to the crowd. This
Speaker 1: continued for three days and nights. It has been said
Speaker 1: that during this three day street service, the house shook
Speaker 1: under the exuberant praising of.
Speaker 3: A hungry people.
Speaker 1: Even on one occasion, the ports collapsed at the weight
Speaker 1: of all the people. Services continued, all.
Speaker 4: There we go.
Speaker 2: It's the signs from God, right, the ports collapsed, people
Speaker 2: were yapping and flopping and flipping and flapping. That's got
Speaker 2: to be even though Paul says God is not the
Speaker 2: other confusion, it's got to be of God, right. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just like people put it this way. If you
Speaker 2: choose not to be educated and not to think rationally
Speaker 2: and critically. According to the laws of critical thinking, You're
Speaker 2: gonna be necessarily led by your emotions. And if you're
Speaker 2: controlled and run by your emotions, you're gonna be stupid.
Speaker 2: You're gonna make dumb decisions because the heart is deceitful
Speaker 2: above all else, as Jeremiah says, and you won't have discernment.
Speaker 2: You will follow your heart.
Speaker 5: God's telling me that she's who I'm supposed to be with,
Speaker 5: even though I've been messaging her for fifty days straight
Speaker 5: and she won't answer none of my text messages. She's
Speaker 5: ghost to me, but God told me she was my woe. God,
Speaker 5: but I filtered.
Speaker 4: She was the one. How come she's ghost to me?
Speaker 6: Please text back?
Speaker 5: Please text back?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: You see how silly that says? Well, I felt it.
Speaker 2: So you want to be run by your emotions and
Speaker 2: your feelings, You're gonna be an idiot. I'm just using
Speaker 2: an example of like evangelical goofballs with no game, they
Speaker 2: gonna learn the hard way. You're gonna get tuck Son.
Speaker 1: You'd almost stay and night with healings reported and hundreds
Speaker 1: of people filled with this spirit.
Speaker 2: How do we know that there was actual healings? At
Speaker 2: this damn shack that collapsed because a bunch of people's
Speaker 2: hooting and hollering. Who believes that? By the way, if
Speaker 2: you're a Roman Catholic, Oh wait a minute, I thought, Oh,
Speaker 2: hold on, miracles prove stuff. Oh I guess the Pentecostal
Speaker 2: is Zusa Street revival proves Pentecostals because they claim to
Speaker 2: have miracles. I'm there, we go. I mean maybe that
Speaker 2: is why Roman Catholics accept the charismatic movement, because they
Speaker 2: claim there. I mean, they believe anything else claim miracles. Hey,
Speaker 2: let me just start claiming miracles. There's orbs, dust orbs.
Speaker 2: Let's see if it gets the dust orbs. See if
Speaker 2: we get a oh, we got the Look it's a
Speaker 2: bat miracle. Look at that bat flying around. It's a miracle.
Speaker 4: Per day.
Speaker 1: It was determined that a new location was needed to
Speaker 1: house the growing crowd of seekers. William Seymour and his
Speaker 1: followers soon found a vacated two story church building. Previous
Speaker 1: used to stable horses, it had been converted into apartment houses.
Speaker 1: Upstairs was a large, unfinished barn like room.
Speaker 4: On the downstairs, it's.
Speaker 2: Address or this this emo music that's supposed to like
Speaker 2: move me like even the music's all emo, like it's
Speaker 2: a movie, Like is this supposed to move me?
Speaker 1: Was three hundred and twelve.
Speaker 2: A Zuzus Street? Now? The first thing I want to
Speaker 2: know is, wait a minute, were they even trinitarian? Because, like, guys,
Speaker 2: if you're a Pentecostal, a giant chunk of y'all are
Speaker 2: anti trinitarian, as you just heard that guy calling in,
Speaker 2: who was in a nice way surprised by the passages
Speaker 2: that talk about distinctions in the persons. Right, So let's
Speaker 2: see we're I'm just curious her because I don't actually
Speaker 2: know we're the Azusa Street Preachers people trinitarian? Okay, so
Speaker 2: they weren't modalists yet, it would be Actually, I don't
Speaker 2: actually know the history of Pentecostalism itself, so it would
Speaker 2: be interesting to see exactly when it started going modalist,
Speaker 2: at least the Pentecostal denomination. Does anybody know? I don't
Speaker 2: actually know the history of the one that's Pentecostals, So
Speaker 2: but anyway, it comes out of this, but I just
Speaker 2: don't know the exact history of it.
Speaker 1: The revival at Azuza stretched from the early morning deep
Speaker 1: into the evening every day for three and a.
Speaker 4: Half the years.
Speaker 1: One woman described the services with the following words.
Speaker 8: A sound like a rushing mighty wind filled the room,
Speaker 8: and I was baptized with the holy ghosts and fire
Speaker 8: rivers of joy in.
Speaker 2: Okay, So here we go another woman claiming that she
Speaker 2: felt a bunch of wind. It could have just been
Speaker 2: somebody fartening all over, since they're all rolling around, I mean,
Speaker 2: how do we know this fart wind is supposed to
Speaker 2: be something divine? I felt the wind. Maybe it was
Speaker 2: Sister Susie breaking wind love divine flooding my soul.
Speaker 8: God also gave me the Bible evidence of receiving this
Speaker 8: experience and letting me speak in another language.
Speaker 2: So again, this is multiple just women claiming that they
Speaker 2: think they're speaking in other languages. This is the root
Speaker 2: of all the modern charismatic nonsense. Is women flip flopping
Speaker 2: and flapping around? By the way, is it a bunch
Speaker 2: of Is this a black church?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 2: What is this church?
Speaker 4: One?
Speaker 2: This Pentecostalism in North America emerges in nineteen fourteen, stemming
Speaker 2: from a schism out of the assemblies of God. I
Speaker 2: didn't know that, also known as Apostolic Jesus name Pentecostalism
Speaker 2: arose from a nontrinitarian view the early origins of the
Speaker 2: Azusa Street. But Pentecostal preachers like R. E. Mccallus began
Speaker 2: to reject the Trinity. Okay, so that's what I'm interested
Speaker 2: in here, So this guy Andrew Ershan. In nineteen thirteen,
Speaker 2: an Apostolic Faith Worldwide camp meeting was held in up California.
Speaker 2: Thank you California for all these stupid heresies. A Canadian
Speaker 2: man named R. E. Mc callister preached a new revelation.
Speaker 2: Look at that, I got a new revelation. Now, look
Speaker 2: we automatically canceled this out, don't we. With my helpful
Speaker 2: point in my video, there's no new revelations. So if
Speaker 2: he preached a new revelation that you gotta be baptizing
Speaker 2: our name by Jesus only, so, then this causes a
Speaker 2: split in this new denomination in these tent meetings, and
Speaker 2: then we get a number of ministers claimed that they
Speaker 2: were then baptized in Jesus' name before nineteen fourteen, including
Speaker 2: Frank Small. Oh Man. You know, these people were like
Speaker 2: just the most backwoods just rubes. Charles Parham was recorded
Speaker 2: baptizing using a similar formula at Azuzah. Okay, so here's
Speaker 2: Azusa Street saying, oh, you got a baptize in that
Speaker 2: name j Jesus. Nineteen fourteen, Parham and Seymour baptized in
Speaker 2: this new formula, but they were not anti Trinitarian yet.
Speaker 2: So that starts with them coming up with a new
Speaker 2: way to baptize in just the name of Jesus. But
Speaker 2: they're not yet anti Trinitarian. But that's where it begins.
Speaker 2: After nineteen fourteen, many oneness groups formed and eventually became
Speaker 2: the Pentecostal Assemblies of God or the Apostolic Faith Mission
Speaker 2: Church are God. By the way, we have if you're
Speaker 2: from the South, you see this stuff everywhere. This stupid stuff.
Speaker 4: Is just.
Speaker 2: It's all over the Bible Belt. Man, it's just sad.
Speaker 2: And then you got you see all these like four
Speaker 2: er pound women with the with the buns and the
Speaker 2: skirts I mean. And by the way, people that are
Speaker 2: not Bible Belt literate, they will mistake these for Amish
Speaker 2: and Mennonite ladies. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, very different because
Speaker 2: Amish and Mennonite ladies, although they have the same portly frame,
Speaker 2: you will not get anywhere were you a trashy Southern
Speaker 2: man trying to mac on them. However, one on this
Speaker 2: Pentecostal girls, they're known to be quite trashy. And we'll
Speaker 2: go all the way son past third base. I'm not
Speaker 2: speaking from experience. I never dated when I was in
Speaker 2: high school. All the one this Pentecostal girls were just
Speaker 2: like because they don't wear makeup, they don't cut their hair,
Speaker 2: and usually they're about two to three hundred pounds overweight.
Speaker 2: Let's see if we can find you some examples of
Speaker 2: these girls. Now, this is a charitable photo. Okay, I
Speaker 2: never saw no one this girl's looking like that. That's
Speaker 2: a charitable photo. Let's find what I'm used to. This
Speaker 2: is about more of the norm here. Okay, I'm talking
Speaker 2: like homely as all get out. Here we go. This
Speaker 2: is your average oneness Bible belt woman right here. I'm
Speaker 2: talking rough, dude. I'm talking.
Speaker 10: Uh Apostolic Pentecostal Women's there you go, Hey, Jamie, can
Speaker 10: you have.
Speaker 2: Me a coffee?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Jamie? Are you gonna grow your hair out like a
Speaker 2: one this Pentecostal woman? No, Now, look at this chick
Speaker 2: over here, she's got hair down to her feet.
Speaker 11: Dude, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah? See, look at that.
Speaker 3: Look at that.
Speaker 4: That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2: Well maybe just in terms of hair, but I can
Speaker 2: I can assure you they're not awesome. Can you imagine
Speaker 2: their drains in their shower? And see? Here we go,
Speaker 2: here's some here's some ladies right here. This is this
Speaker 2: is what I'm used to in the Bible Belt. This
Speaker 2: is are your average homely oneness lady is right here?
Speaker 2: You want to see it, Jamie's curious I'm talking about they. Look,
Speaker 2: you've been to Tennessee, you've been around at my hometown.
Speaker 2: What do you mean you've seen these ladies? Rough? Dude. Now,
Speaker 2: if you're hard up and you're trying to look for
Speaker 2: a girl, and you you a dumb Bible Belt boy,
Speaker 2: you're gonna get a lot farther with a Pentecostal girl
Speaker 2: than you're gonna get with an Amish or a Menna
Speaker 2: nite girl. I can tell you that right now. Son,
Speaker 2: Let's let's see if we can find us a good
Speaker 2: men of night girl over here in Tennessee.
Speaker 5: Good old rocket up rocketdup.
Speaker 2: Tanna See here's some men of night girls. But I
Speaker 2: can't I can't tell see what I can't see what
Speaker 2: they look like. This is a little unfair because so
Speaker 2: the pictures that I'm seeing they don't look that that rough.
Speaker 2: But when you go to Tennessee, I don't usually see
Speaker 2: Menna night girls under about two hundred three hundred pounds,
Speaker 2: maybe four hundred three to four hundred pounds. So this
Speaker 2: is not very accurate here. Let's try this again. This
Speaker 2: is a little more This is a little more close
Speaker 2: to home here. Anyway, I'm being silly, I'm joking around.
Speaker 2: That's the origins of all this stuff, which I didn't know.
Speaker 2: The United Pentecostal Church and the Pentecostal assemblies became one
Speaker 2: single entity with about six million members. Wow, six million
Speaker 2: modalist Pentecostal goobers in the.
Speaker 5: World or.
Speaker 2: North America, I don't know. It doesn't say just as
Speaker 2: six million.
Speaker 3: Ye oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's that. I guess that's enough of the
Speaker 2: Azuza Street. Right, we got the basics of it. Let's
Speaker 2: go back to the calls because oh man, sways, what's up.
Speaker 9: Hey, j Crin.
Speaker 12: Yeah, just so, yeah, I just wanted to kind of
Speaker 12: kind of kind of ties into what you're.
Speaker 9: Talking about with the Muslim thing. At the beginning.
Speaker 12: And also this evangelical they called in who they have
Speaker 12: no connection to history, so they don't understand, you know
Speaker 12: that those were Christian.
Speaker 9: Places and that's the second oldest Orthodox.
Speaker 12: Church in the world was in how it gets pretty
Speaker 12: sure he's been blown up. But as far as what
Speaker 12: he said about the and this is why you reacted and.
Speaker 9: You said, that's a lie. Orthodox people don't do that.
Speaker 12: Cool, you know, and you're on I know you're on YouTube,
Speaker 12: so we can't get into the JQ thing too much.
Speaker 12: But like in a lot of those spaces where people
Speaker 12: are a lot of young men are pissed about the
Speaker 12: tax funded, legalized invasion of the West. Uh, there are
Speaker 12: a bunch of people who even have Orthodox icon like
Speaker 12: we were talking about last time as their picture and
Speaker 12: they're literally Muslims.
Speaker 9: And like I literally.
Speaker 12: Jumped in there and the moment I brought up that
Speaker 12: you know, Christians are not to unite with Muslims, I
Speaker 12: get shot down and muted.
Speaker 9: And they're like all like they just cuss you out,
Speaker 9: like you want to dog.
Speaker 2: Observe the way you're saying that a bunch of Muslims
Speaker 2: are creating fake Orthodox profiles literally.
Speaker 12: And then there's even one guy. He has like one
Speaker 12: hundred and thirty eight polarists. I won't call him out
Speaker 12: by name, but it would be I would pay money
Speaker 12: for you to.
Speaker 4: Talk to him.
Speaker 2: Well why not, but we need to see who these
Speaker 2: fakes are.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, well so he's basically like a humanist.
Speaker 12: But he got he got really mad when I accused
Speaker 12: him of being Aunanist Orthodox Cannonist. But right after this conversation, interestingly,
Speaker 12: he changed his name from not being Orthodox Cannist anymore.
Speaker 9: And it's always been that. So there's a lot of
Speaker 9: like fake ass.
Speaker 2: Sorry, are you talking about the guy that well, hold on,
Speaker 2: he's not Muslim? You talking about the guy that's on
Speaker 2: World War now? Yeah, how is he fake?
Speaker 13: Well?
Speaker 12: No, he might he may be, Like so he and
Speaker 12: in these groups there's like three other people who are like,
Speaker 12: you cannot mention anything about Muslims or they will like
Speaker 12: mute you and.
Speaker 9: Shut you down. And he he does.
Speaker 4: He may.
Speaker 9: I think he's like you know, born sometimes maybe like
Speaker 9: the converts.
Speaker 2: You must you might be talking about somebody different. Orthodox
Speaker 2: Cannonist is not Arab and he's not pro Muslim. I've
Speaker 2: never seen him be pro Muslim in fact, like hold on.
Speaker 9: He'll say, like we shouldn't be focusing hold.
Speaker 2: On, he's in the chat. He's in the chat. So
Speaker 2: you're talking about Dimitri?
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, like you should bring him up?
Speaker 2: So yeah, you want to. It seems like he remember
Speaker 2: that we we can't talk about uh, you know, too
Speaker 2: much stuff that would you know, we're on YouTube. So Dmitri,
Speaker 2: do you want.
Speaker 4: To come up the other?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How would he be Muslim's names Dmitri and that that's
Speaker 2: a Russian name.
Speaker 12: No, no, no, I'm not saying he's Muslim, But like he'll
Speaker 12: get into the minute shop when the Chechenians had to
Speaker 12: team up with the Orthodox and ignore all of the
Speaker 12: other historical times where we had to impale ten thousand
Speaker 12: of them, you know what I mean. And it just
Speaker 12: you know, probably has a lot of Muslim followers, so
Speaker 12: you won't really like talk about how we're not to
Speaker 12: you know, in my opinion, we shouldn't be aligning with
Speaker 12: Muslims because they have a false version of Christ.
Speaker 9: And then the other two Orthodox.
Speaker 12: People in the group wouldn't even say that Islam is
Speaker 12: an heretical cult from the seventh century, Like they wouldn't
Speaker 12: even even say that.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of people like, well, who are
Speaker 2: the other people in the group You're not talking about Conrad.
Speaker 2: Conrad would say that no, no.
Speaker 9: No, okay. So one of them's name was Doc and
Speaker 9: he has literally.
Speaker 14: The as his as his uh like photo or whatever
Speaker 14: his PfP, and he's like, he'll scream at you and
Speaker 14: call you a dog if you say anything about Islam,
Speaker 14: and so well, anyways, my point is I didn't and
Speaker 14: I'll talk to Ernetria.
Speaker 12: I'm down at disgusting because we talked for like an
Speaker 12: hour and a half. So I wasn't trying to like
Speaker 12: throw them under the bus, but I mean, I'll definitely
Speaker 12: stand up for what I'm saying. I think it's weird
Speaker 12: that they're like letting these Muslims kind of like it's
Speaker 12: the JQ thing.
Speaker 9: So I don't want to get too deep into it,
Speaker 9: but you know, the destruction of the West through legalized.
Speaker 12: Invasion and then it's all about like teaming up with
Speaker 12: the Muslims.
Speaker 9: So I find your respect.
Speaker 15: Switch Jay's streams are not a place for you to
Speaker 15: vent your schizophrenic babble. Okay, he just spiked up integospels, okay,
Speaker 15: and the trouble they were bringing into in the so
Speaker 15: called Christianity. You're essentially committing the same vicens here. Okay, No,
Speaker 15: not at all, I mean misinformation.
Speaker 12: Okay, Well, did you not notice that the other people
Speaker 12: in that and the group were pretending to the Orthodox,
Speaker 12: they wouldn't renounce Islam as a false theoretical religion.
Speaker 9: Like can you not agree with that?
Speaker 15: Your spreading misinformation hereything, I'm saying things that I am
Speaker 15: not okay for all? In some purposes, you are a schizophrenic.
Speaker 9: I'm looking. He's just attacking my character. But how many
Speaker 9: how many foo? So yeah, he's not going to stand up,
Speaker 9: stand up, cares about what you think. Okay, period, I'm
Speaker 9: talking to j right Now've been a.
Speaker 12: Fan of Jays for a long time, and I think, uh,
Speaker 12: I think you're disingenuous, to be quite honest. Anyways, if
Speaker 12: Dmitri may be uh Orthodox by birth, but it seems
Speaker 12: to me he's like very humanist.
Speaker 9: But anyways, I didn't want to get too far into him.
Speaker 4: I'm down to.
Speaker 2: Okay, so uh, I mean I've never again, I've not
Speaker 2: heard Dimitria ever be a humanist, So that to me
Speaker 2: sounds odd because usually he's calling out like what's his name?
Speaker 2: That uh, Jackson Hinkel. I've seen him call that out
Speaker 2: a lot. I don't know, so that that would be
Speaker 2: odd to me, that he's a humanist.
Speaker 9: So yeah, well I recorded the whole thing, and I
Speaker 9: guess I could send a Q.
Speaker 2: Well hold on, So, Dimitri Demetri, I'm not accusing you,
Speaker 2: but would you like to address that because it just
Speaker 2: seems odd.
Speaker 9: He's essentially lying, that's all. I'll say, Well, what's the lie?
Speaker 6: Like, what did I say that it's a lie?
Speaker 12: Because none of the people who are saying that Orthodox
Speaker 12: would renounce Islam. You said that that wouldn't be a
Speaker 12: that would be an Orthodox belief that I would renounce isla.
Speaker 15: You are actually which is which is hilarious that you
Speaker 15: would do that on Jay's stream.
Speaker 9: Not sure why, but I think it's important.
Speaker 12: I think it's important. There's a lot of people who
Speaker 12: are upset about what's happening in Europe.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, to main sure you don't
Speaker 2: like Islam? Would I can't imagine.
Speaker 15: It isn't even a heresy. It's essentially a pagan sick.
Speaker 15: I don't even want to call it a heresy. It's
Speaker 15: extremely it's worse than Gnosticism essentially.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: So anyways, when I brought that up in that group,
Speaker 12: all I did was get muted and shot down. And
Speaker 12: then he after they removed me, which later we did
Speaker 12: have a Yeah, we had a second conversation. He straight
Speaker 12: up was like, he seems like a hobbyist. He's probably
Speaker 12: a jew infiltrator. So I think that's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean what he just said, he denounced Islam
Speaker 2: right there, So what's the problem.
Speaker 9: No, that's no problem. That's cool.
Speaker 12: I mean that's why I support. But there was other
Speaker 12: Orthodox people in the group. Truth Teller says he's Orthodox,
Speaker 12: and Doc says the Orthodox he has a icon as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know what group you're talking.
Speaker 2: I don't have time to follow all being all the groups.
Speaker 2: So like, what do you do you have a point
Speaker 2: about like Pentecostalism and charismatic stuff.
Speaker 12: Well, you know, yeah, I just think it all ties
Speaker 12: into the Pentecostals don't have any like understanding of history
Speaker 12: at all. So of course he would say we can't
Speaker 12: be pro Palestine and all that kind of stuff. But no,
Speaker 12: I mean that was I think it's I think it's
Speaker 12: kind of weird that he won't anyways. No, I mean
Speaker 12: I kind of had a whole I've recorded the whole conversation.
Speaker 12: But there's a lot of people angry young men about
Speaker 12: what's happening to Europe, and then the Muslim that want
Speaker 12: to be like but other you don't do a big
Speaker 12: ally and then yeah, so I think that's weird.
Speaker 2: All right, did meet your anything You want to comment
Speaker 2: there on that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 9: No, I only came up because I was listening to
Speaker 9: the space Jay.
Speaker 15: You're doing great. It's an amazing space thus far. But
Speaker 15: I would just yeah, icon't comment on the redundant commentary
Speaker 15: of these three hundred followischizophrenics here on the X.
Speaker 4: I really wouldn't be.
Speaker 15: I don't usually communicate with them, but in any case,
Speaker 15: we'll good have a great stream.
Speaker 2: Thanks. Uh, Mike, what's up?
Speaker 16: Man?
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 11: What's what I mean?
Speaker 12: Hey, Jake?
Speaker 9: Can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Sir? Okay?
Speaker 9: How are you doing?
Speaker 4: Happy?
Speaker 9: Eastern?
Speaker 2: Likewise? What's up?
Speaker 17: I had a question and I was wondering if it's
Speaker 17: about transubstantiation. I noticed in a conversation that a Roman
Speaker 17: Catholic and an Orthodox person we're having where the author.
Speaker 17: The Orthodox person was, and I can't remember the context
Speaker 17: exactly of the conversation, but he said that he said,
Speaker 17: this is a quote Roman Catholicism makes up a full
Speaker 17: fault in the name of clarity, transubstantiation, for instance, And
Speaker 17: I've never heard that from an Orthodox before, saying that,
Speaker 17: you know that transperstantiation is an invention of Roman Catholicism.
Speaker 17: I always thought that it was just like we use
Speaker 17: the word to describe like the Eucharist in a philosophical way,
Speaker 17: and that you know, Chrystosom and Basil they talked about
Speaker 17: transubstantiation as well.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if you're able to like offer.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the term itself is not a Patristic term,
Speaker 2: but I don't really even think that's a problem, because
Speaker 2: you know, John Damascus uses similar types of terminology that's
Speaker 2: translated in his writings as transstantiation. I think that where
Speaker 2: as Orthodox we would have areas of like, well, we
Speaker 2: don't go that far. Is that when you get into
Speaker 2: the medieval scholastics like Aquinas, they start really trying to
Speaker 2: define in some scientific way all kinds of things that
Speaker 2: we just don't go there. We think it's more of
Speaker 2: a mystery. So, for example, Rome has this position that
Speaker 2: the the what is essential to the sacrament is matter,
Speaker 2: form and attention, and that the sacrament is only confected
Speaker 2: when the priest uh says the words of consecration. And so,
Speaker 2: for example, we don't think that makes any sense because
Speaker 2: the epiclesis is the calling down of the Holy Spirit.
Speaker 2: But Rome doesn't believe that epiclyasis has anything to do
Speaker 2: with the necessity of the consecration of the element. So
Speaker 2: the medieval scholastics got very specific with all of these
Speaker 2: kind of scientific approaches, and we don't go that far,
Speaker 2: but we don't necessarily have a problem with the term
Speaker 2: transsentiation itself.
Speaker 9: No, okay, got it.
Speaker 17: Also, you know, just just like you to know that
Speaker 17: most of the Easter arguing with Bryson about the Trinity,
Speaker 17: which he continues to deny and continues to display, you know,
Speaker 17: the personality of you know, Arianism, which is weird because
Speaker 17: I mean, I don't know, like you, we've done this
Speaker 17: before with him, and I think we you know, you
Speaker 17: did this to an extent with him on either a
Speaker 17: couple of debates.
Speaker 6: But is it just worth is it worth it with him?
Speaker 2: Or is it just there's no I don't think there's
Speaker 2: getting anyone getting where with anywhere with Bryson.
Speaker 9: So yeah, it's kind of fat.
Speaker 6: But what can you do anyway?
Speaker 9: You have a good Easter.
Speaker 2: You too might appreciate you coming on, and I hope
Speaker 2: you and your family are well. Heisenberg. What's up man?
Speaker 2: Read to cover the super chests culper cast two dollars.
Speaker 2: This is my first PASCA. Thank you Fillion two pounds,
Speaker 2: Christos and STV. I think we read that one. But
Speaker 2: Marcus Antonio gifted ten memberships What's up man? In h
Speaker 2: five bucks? In high school, my girlfriend's family went to
Speaker 2: a church in Irvine. Oh, we read that the guy
Speaker 2: who is prophet Ruckus McKinley, who played Funk. I'd actually
Speaker 2: like to look that dudeo though, so sounds fun. David
Speaker 2: James Flood gifted a membership was up Brandon Dinner two dollars, Jay,
Speaker 2: What is the true nature of good and evil? Well,
Speaker 2: evil doesn't have a nature. It's a private on nature,
Speaker 2: So there is no nature of evil. But the nature
Speaker 2: of good ultimately is God's nature, because God is the
Speaker 2: highest ultimate good. And then created things have their created
Speaker 2: natures and they are also good. But evil is not
Speaker 2: and cannot be a nature because God made all natures
Speaker 2: Brandon ten dollars. Again, I'm a Luciferian. Do you believe
Speaker 2: that evil exists out of time? There is spiritual evil
Speaker 2: because we believe that demons are spiritually evil, and they
Speaker 2: are not necessarily in time. They can be, but they
Speaker 2: also exist in a spiritual realm that is beyond our realm.
Speaker 2: So I would say, yes, did we not manifest evil ourselves? Well,
Speaker 2: we would say that evil has two sources, both human
Speaker 2: and angelic. So the angelic evil being the demons that
Speaker 2: fell and continued to try to influence man, and man
Speaker 2: when he choose is evil actions, he also is a
Speaker 2: source of evil. So there's two sources of evil in
Speaker 2: the world, man and ballen angels. Can the universe work
Speaker 2: without an opposition? Yes? In fact, we believe that good
Speaker 2: is not a dialectical thing that it necessitates evil. We
Speaker 2: think that evil again is a privation and has no
Speaker 2: being or substance. And so so the answer is yes,
Speaker 2: did God create opposites? God created things that are oppositional,
Speaker 2: you could say, in the sense of like man and
Speaker 2: woman or night and day. But there is not a
Speaker 2: created thing called evil. That would be Manicheanism to say
Speaker 2: that evil has existence or substance, and we would be
Speaker 2: we're not duellists. Mister who cares five dollars, take give
Speaker 2: of your work. He has risen. Thank you, Brandon Jenner Jade.
Speaker 2: You know that Islam is scheduled for extinction. Lucifer does
Speaker 2: not want them for the New World. I think that
Speaker 2: Lucifer does a lot with Islam, so I don't know
Speaker 2: if I believe that inverted big to five dollars. I've
Speaker 2: seen Muslims doing woodoo at truck stop bathrooms and it's
Speaker 2: not rocketing in the sink. We'll get used to it
Speaker 2: because you're going to see a lot more of it.
Speaker 2: DeAndre Onsen ten dollars. I am seeing mixed signs of
Speaker 2: growth in Orthodoxy, if you mean like some parishes are
Speaker 2: growing and others are dying. Yeah, I went to last
Speaker 2: year with the FDA. We ended up at a huge
Speaker 2: Greek basically like a cathedral is huge and there's like
Speaker 2: twenty people in there. So you know, ro Corps parishes,
Speaker 2: Serbian churches, Antiochian churches, some of the OSAA churches, they're
Speaker 2: basically exploding at the seams. But these boomer Normie docks
Speaker 2: churches are dying, David Murdoch are five dollars. I live
Speaker 2: in a Mormon theocracy. You do not want cult strongholds.
Speaker 2: Whether it's Mormons or Muslims. It should concern people, I agree,
Speaker 2: David Rachel Wilson three month membership. Andrew agrees that Islam
Speaker 2: is a huge threat. Everybody is ignoring it. They're spurgaging
Speaker 2: about other Middle Eastern countries, and he wants to do
Speaker 2: more debates with the Muslim I think that, look, all
Speaker 2: these issues are issues, right, so.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: People are like losing their minds that we're trying to
Speaker 2: figure out who the ultimate issue is and all these
Speaker 2: things are issues. So, you know, that's a good question.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what the I guess everybody has different
Speaker 2: you know, callings and gifts, right, Like, like some people
Speaker 2: are just super good at that debating Islam and you
Speaker 2: know they can keep doing that, I guess, and other
Speaker 2: people are really good, you know, with debating atheists or whatever,
Speaker 2: Protestants or whatever. So we all have different gifts. So
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a tough question as to how
Speaker 2: to navigate all this. Ah Brosey three month member, shout
Speaker 2: out to great Bob, Great Bob, you mean Bob Soco.
Speaker 2: Bob been at it with sand monks for a long time.
Speaker 2: I feel bad for him. He started his campaign and
Speaker 2: oh yeah, so you must be talking about Bob in
Speaker 2: the UK. He's watched his country get incrementally taken over. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean when I first did the interview with Bob
Speaker 2: that Lewis set up back in twenty eighteen, I think
Speaker 2: that probably England's gotten a lot worse. So there's just
Speaker 2: there's just no easy answers here because you know, like
Speaker 2: there's not what's the word am we for? There's not
Speaker 2: synagogues being set up everywhere, right, but I see mosques everywhere,
Speaker 2: and you can argue that moss are kind of a
Speaker 2: synagogue because one of those rabbis said something like, what's
Speaker 2: this what's the term he uses? Islam is the broom
Speaker 2: of Israel or something like that, in other words, Islam,
Speaker 2: and that it's like they're fine to let Islam like
Speaker 2: destroy the West, and you know, you guys take all
Speaker 2: these hamas refugees, we don't want them, right, this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff, So you know, there's just there's no easy
Speaker 2: answers to any of these problems. I don't I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the answer. But like I'm over
Speaker 2: here trying to read all this crazy stuff and make
Speaker 2: sense of it. I've got two two Masad text that
Speaker 2: I'm right in the middle of. I just got four
Speaker 2: chapters into John Stockwell's book, which is all which is
Speaker 2: brand new. We're gonna be going through this because I
Speaker 2: don't know anything about the CIA's operations in Africa, so
Speaker 2: I'm curious. And so this book is by the guy
Speaker 2: who was the chief of the CIA task force in Angola.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna be going through John Stockwell's I'm already
Speaker 2: like sixty pages in and it's pretty good. Also interesting
Speaker 2: is Kissinger calling the shots all throughout all this, which
Speaker 2: is fascinating. This will give us a background into africam
Speaker 2: which you probably have heard me mention. And then I
Speaker 2: got Paul Williams's older book, which is not as good
Speaker 2: as his Gladio book, because I think this was his
Speaker 2: first one. He wrote this prior to the Gladio book.
Speaker 2: I've read three two other chapters of it about it exposed,
Speaker 2: and it's got some good angles so far on stuff
Speaker 2: that's not in the Gladio book, Like, for example, this
Speaker 2: has a whole history of the Vatican Bank and where
Speaker 2: it arose from. You know who started it, what's the
Speaker 2: whole background of that. So that's mentioned in passing in
Speaker 2: the gladiobook. So this is gonna be a good one
Speaker 2: to do too. But yeah, I'm really excited about I mean,
Speaker 2: the Strowski's books are fascinating, but I'm really excited also
Speaker 2: about the CIA operations in Africa are pretty wild. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'll put it this way. I'm gonna be debating AP
Speaker 2: and we are debating specifically CIA and Western intelligence use
Speaker 2: of I S and al Q And I've already found
Speaker 2: some moremo in John Stockwell for the big T word.
Speaker 2: So that's going to be a fun debate. June. Second,
Speaker 2: mister who cares five dollars, thank you for your work. Jay.
Speaker 2: He has risen? Indeed he is? Am I correct that?
Speaker 2: When I was amongst the Antiochians, they would say indeed
Speaker 2: he has risen, or he has risen indeed, And then
Speaker 2: if you're amongst the Russians, they say, truly he has risen.
Speaker 2: Am I correct on that? Or am I crazy? People?
Speaker 2: In the chat, you guys can help me on on that,
Speaker 2: because my mind usually like goes back to you know,
Speaker 2: Pasca amongst Antiochians, and I'm pretty sure everybody says he
Speaker 2: has risen indeed or indeed he has risen. And then
Speaker 2: if you're amongst the Russians, the Russians all say truly,
Speaker 2: he's risen. And then and then the Russians think that
Speaker 2: you're an idiot because you say indeed he's risen. It's like, well,
Speaker 2: I didn't just make that up. That's actually just what
Speaker 2: the Antiochians do. So do we have any Antiochians in
Speaker 2: the chat? Do we do?
Speaker 9: Y'all?
Speaker 2: Still? Am I just misremembering Oca Parish we say indeed?
Speaker 2: I see, I knew that there was some indeeds we
Speaker 2: say truly at the Greek Church. I mean, it's not
Speaker 2: a big deal, it doesn't matter. But I'm just I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to figure out if I'm misremembering or if oh,
Speaker 2: the Antiochians at your parents say truly. Interesting, Oh you
Speaker 2: said truly? Okay, Well maybe now one person said indeed,
Speaker 2: maybe that's maybe that was the oka we say indeed
Speaker 2: in Texas. Interesting. I know it's the same. I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: We at the Antiochians say indeed, I see. I thought so.
Speaker 2: I thought that was what I remembered. And then people
Speaker 2: were probably like, who is this idiot? Guy doesn't say
Speaker 2: thru ly say is Indeed, no one says indeed, this
Speaker 2: idiot theater we say indeed. At my OCA parish, Rachel
Speaker 2: says that my Antiochian parish, everyone says indeed, I thought so. Anyway,
Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter. It's just something that I was
Speaker 2: curious about last night because I was like, am I crazy?
Speaker 2: Or that I remember us saying this at the end
Speaker 2: took in church. Let's see Mateo? What Matteo? The gentleman
Speaker 2: and scholar. That's a name right there. What books do
Speaker 2: you recommend for a Catholic looking into Orthodoxy? I would
Speaker 2: read Michael Welton's Two Paths, and I would read Mystical
Speaker 2: Theology of the Eastern Church by Lawsky. Those are two
Speaker 2: of the most accessible works on the two key doctrines
Speaker 2: of the papacy and the energies. Nick Clinton ten dollars.
Speaker 2: Thank you for being an example of boldness. I appreciate
Speaker 2: I appreciate you well. Thanks man christ Is Rhythm Indeed, H.
Speaker 2: Brosie five dollars I have never objectively seen an Orthodox
Speaker 2: man defending Muslims and his this sounds like a Catholic. Yeah. See,
Speaker 2: this is like what a lot of trad cats do.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, I've seen trad cats do that. I
Speaker 2: don't know it. Now. We heard the evangelical guy originally right,
Speaker 2: He was saying that if you're critical of Israeli actions,
Speaker 2: then that means you're pro Muslim. No, no, no, no, that's a
Speaker 2: false conclusion. I can be critical of both Hamas and
Speaker 2: the actions of the Israeli government and not be pro
Speaker 2: Islam or pro Muslim as you see that. This is
Speaker 2: all like basic bitch dialectics, dude, Pelagonian Lion ten A's
Speaker 2: Thursday is four day Pagan's exposed. Is that really though?
Speaker 2: I didn't actually know that, Is that true or I
Speaker 2: can't tell if that's true? You're joking. By the way,
Speaker 2: I forgot to mention on Astare. I got all distracted
Speaker 2: from hours ago. Let's see if that's actually true, because
Speaker 2: I don't actually even know if that is the case. Okay,
Speaker 2: so let's go to Easter and the I'm gonna show
Speaker 2: you what I was trying to say to her about
Speaker 2: Ostare Okay, Yostare is the Anglo Saxon goddess mentioned by Bede,
Speaker 2: Saint Bede in his eighth century work Reckoning of Time.
Speaker 2: He wrote that the Pagan Anglo Saxons held feasts in
Speaker 2: her honor and named after her, and in April this
Speaker 2: became the English name for the postle season of Easter. Okay,
Speaker 2: so remember we said that this was a name that
Speaker 2: was used for this time period of spring, right April
Speaker 2: right here, so the Pagan Germanic Anglo Saxon. I thought
Speaker 2: it was Germanic. It's actually Anglo Saxon. Excuse me, when
Speaker 2: actually down here says Germany. So let's see. The old
Speaker 2: High German name for April was a star month or
Speaker 2: Starmont Monoth, which was similar to the Germanic goddess Astera.
Speaker 2: The theory is that it's supported by descriptions to the
Speaker 2: goddess blah blah blah found in Germany. The point that
Speaker 2: I made was that this is a name for a
Speaker 2: time period. Okay, let's look at the actual word and
Speaker 2: its origin. These are cognates. They are derived from the
Speaker 2: Proto Germanic, so it actually I'm right about that is Germanic.
Speaker 2: In terms of the words root and what is it
Speaker 2: the word for? Well, yes, it refers to a goddess,
Speaker 2: like January refers to Genus. However, it is a time period. Okay.
Speaker 2: When Charlemagne defeated and converted the continental Saxons to Christianity,
Speaker 2: he gave Germanic names to the Latin months, which is
Speaker 2: the Easter month of Austarmannoth. Okay, that's exactly what I
Speaker 2: told her. So it's a word for a time period.
Speaker 2: Once the people are Christianized, the word now refers to
Speaker 2: the time period, just like January. And it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: about some goddess. That's it. It's that simple. And let's see.
Speaker 2: Here's here's what Bede says, the famous church historian Bead
Speaker 2: Venerable Bead. It is the anglos Acts a name for April.
Speaker 2: There you go, that's it. It was a name for April,
Speaker 2: but it was a pagan name for April. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: what like January exactly, does anyone think of April now
Speaker 2: as goddess month? No, no one does. Everyone now thinks
Speaker 2: of April as Pasca or passover. So there you go.
Speaker 2: People getting hung up on words and acting like Jordan Maxwell,
Speaker 2: all right, which if you're familiar with this goober boomer
Speaker 2: conspiracy man, his whole grift is built on idiotic conspiracies
Speaker 2: based on word concept fallacies. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 5: The word the word Easta is the goddess Astarra. The
Speaker 5: word is the same the using spells casting what spells
Speaker 5: on you?
Speaker 2: I mean, just the lowest tier idiotic nonsense. By the way,
Speaker 2: I will be live in two days if you are
Speaker 2: in the Florida area, if you'd like to come to
Speaker 2: my live event metapolitics, god, Hollywood, technology, sexperis and orthodoxy
Speaker 2: if you want to talk, because I know everybody's gonna come,
Speaker 2: I don't mind. It's just that like everybody's gonna come
Speaker 2: and ask the questions about orthodox stuff, which is fine. Yes,
Speaker 2: I don't care if you want to come ask about that.
Speaker 2: It is a short notice event, so the tickets are
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Speaker 2: political group that's invited me to speak in Tallahassee Tuesday, Yes, Tuesday,
Speaker 2: April twenty second. You can get tickets right there. It's
Speaker 2: gonna be fun. It's about a two hour talk. I'll
Speaker 2: do a talk for hour, then we'll do some Q
Speaker 2: and A for an hour. All right, where was that at? Oh? Thursday?
Speaker 2: Is this true or is this nonsense? I don't even
Speaker 2: know is Thursday Thursday?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 2: It looks like it is interesting. I did not know
Speaker 2: that Thunr's day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Thu thurs Day, old English god Thunor.
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess we can't. We can't talk about Sunday.
Speaker 2: We can't talk about Thursday.
Speaker 4: They're all.
Speaker 2: It's all we're all worshiping the demons like evangelicals. Man,
Speaker 2: They're just so it's hard not to well, I'll be
Speaker 2: honest with like, tonight today I struggled, like and if
Speaker 2: you see me booting people or like moving on, it's
Speaker 2: because I don't want to get to the stage where
Speaker 2: I'm losing my patience. And if somebody's obtuse for like
Speaker 2: thirty minutes straight and even after that, I show them
Speaker 2: the problems in the position and they just keep reasserting
Speaker 2: like they're in some kind of mental loop. They're in
Speaker 2: a glitch. I gotta move on, man, because I'll just
Speaker 2: lose my patience and then everybody.
Speaker 4: Oh, we got him.
Speaker 2: He lost patience.
Speaker 5: He's so evil And me look at him, look at him,
Speaker 5: and look at you.
Speaker 18: There we got.
Speaker 2: Him, even though I guarantee you, like everybody else in
Speaker 2: the world, would eventually lose their patients with somebody being
Speaker 2: obtuse and caught in a glitch for thirty minutes straight
Speaker 2: or an hour straight, like the Protestant guy the other night.
Speaker 2: Every time I would show a counter example, he would
Speaker 2: move the goalposts and his followers are.
Speaker 4: Like, Oh, you got you, dude, He got you, dude.
Speaker 2: What's up, Heisenberg?
Speaker 4: What's up? J How you doing good?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 19: I just had a question on your your argument about
Speaker 19: how like the papacy is circular and how it actually
Speaker 19: like how it is like it has the same problem
Speaker 19: that it tries to like fix with Protestantism, that is,
Speaker 19: like there's like this problem of like interpretation, how you're
Speaker 19: gonna interpret the pope and just in that whole but
Speaker 19: type of problem, And I was wondering how how would
Speaker 19: the Orthodox answer, like, how would the Orthodox be excused
Speaker 19: from that?
Speaker 2: Because the Roman Catholic system is based on classical foundationalism
Speaker 2: as a specific approach to evidentialism, to temism, to how
Speaker 2: all of these questions are solved? And you can't be
Speaker 2: a paradigm level, circular, recursive type of person if you're
Speaker 2: going to be a Roman Catholic.
Speaker 9: All right, got it? Thank you?
Speaker 19: And Also I was wondering if like, because honestly, these spaces, man,
Speaker 19: I think you like, I think you beat the X
Speaker 19: level like spaces.
Speaker 9: I think you like.
Speaker 19: I think maybe if you like, try more TikTok, I mean,
Speaker 19: like you could debate people like allegedly ean or like
Speaker 19: the Orthodox Muslim because like I feel like if you
Speaker 19: were to go on TikTok, you would get like a
Speaker 19: clip every single like.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I've done many TikTok lives. Have you
Speaker 2: not seen them?
Speaker 9: I have? I have not, but I think, like.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the problem. The problem is that the TikTok lives
Speaker 2: and invasions are even worse than here or YouTube. It's
Speaker 2: it's even more challenging because the people are a grade
Speaker 2: dumber on average and a grade more extreme. So it's
Speaker 2: even more difficult than here. So I have to really struggle.
Speaker 2: What's up branding?
Speaker 9: Thank you?
Speaker 4: Yes, Brandon with can you hear me? All right?
Speaker 20: So my my dad's side was born and raised through history.
Speaker 20: I'm doing a lot of research here against well, looking
Speaker 20: we were dealt. His side of the family was from Galician.
Speaker 20: I know that they're very close to Antioch. I just
Speaker 20: wanted to know where. And then my mom is straight
Speaker 20: three generations from Italy, so she's Catholic.
Speaker 2: Is well, you know what.
Speaker 20: So I'm trying to find my own path here and
Speaker 20: I'm kind of struggling. Can you just give me an
Speaker 20: advice on where to go to find some more information.
Speaker 9: On that topic?
Speaker 20: Like Galician Antioch versus their beliefs and Catholicism.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean. Well, when you say
Speaker 2: their beliefs, who are you talking about.
Speaker 20: The Catholic beliefs on the Galatians and Catholics. I guess
Speaker 20: you could call it Roman Catholic.
Speaker 2: Yes, when you do you know the church in Galicia
Speaker 2: or just the place the.
Speaker 20: Church of Galatia, like Galician churches and Antioch churches.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean Orthodox churches descend from Antioch, Okay, Like
Speaker 2: Peter sets up the church at Antioch, okay and acts right. So,
Speaker 2: but I mean I just don't I don't know what
Speaker 2: so like you're talking about like the history of the
Speaker 2: history of the Celts.
Speaker 20: I mean right, I'm just trying to get further back
Speaker 20: to where I'm at right now.
Speaker 6: I'm kind of like at the point of when Paul
Speaker 6: was on his route and journey and when all when.
Speaker 20: He came to the Kingdom of Galatia and started spreading
Speaker 20: the word there, and I want to get to the
Speaker 20: point before that.
Speaker 9: I don't know where to go to get to the history.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not I don't have any kind
Speaker 2: of expertise or specialty in those niche areas. So I'm
Speaker 2: not trying to be dismissive rude. I just don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you could find somebody who's a historian of
Speaker 2: that region, but I don't know. Munachi, John, what's up? John?
Speaker 9: And John?
Speaker 4: You yeah? Can uh huh cool.
Speaker 13: Yesterday I talked with somebody and they are Unitarian, and
Speaker 13: I have not really talked to a Unitarian before. But
Speaker 13: basically I'm trying to see, like, are they still Christian?
Speaker 9: And this is that God?
Speaker 2: No, you can't be a Christian and deny the Trinity
Speaker 2: or the d Christ.
Speaker 9: Okay, That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: And if you scroll back to about an hour back,
Speaker 2: we had a pretty lengthy discussion with a modalist Unitarian person.
Speaker 2: So I would say, scroll back and check that out. Gurr,
Speaker 2: what's up?
Speaker 9: Man?
Speaker 21: Hey, hey, so you abandoned the patristic calendar, the very
Speaker 21: what they the.
Speaker 9: Father by the saints because the world.
Speaker 2: Okay, good job, Marcel. What's up Marcel? What's up? Dude?
Speaker 2: I'm mute.
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ, brother Jack, can you hear me? Christis Ersten?
Speaker 2: Indeed, he's yeah, how does like?
Speaker 22: I also like, I mean this is something recently, like
Speaker 22: you know a lot of Bisley at the multiomensional people,
Speaker 22: they asked.
Speaker 9: You like, oh you're orthodogs.
Speaker 4: Oh that means you are pro hamas or propelsty.
Speaker 22: I've seen this like like recently, like the first I
Speaker 22: think it was the first or the second guy who
Speaker 22: just called it.
Speaker 7: The one thing they don't understand is right, not any
Speaker 7: person who is rational like the other rational flock would
Speaker 7: ever support an ideology that looks you tasted kill your grape.
Speaker 7: So even when there are some orthodogs pushed it.
Speaker 2: There say okay, let's I'm on YouTube, so we can't
Speaker 2: be talking about that stuff.
Speaker 22: So yeah, So I just want to say even if
Speaker 22: Christians say, like, oh, they're a proper listing that doesn't
Speaker 22: mean that you're saying we are Islam, right, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think they did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think anybody anybody listens to to nuance.
Speaker 2: So I try to be I try to be I
Speaker 2: try to be hyper charitable and hyper nuanced. Right to
Speaker 2: quote uh loft dog. But yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Munachi, did we do you already?
Speaker 2: Vegan skills? Five dollars? Christos pilscrats? See what is the
Speaker 2: lady singing gibberish and banging on that piano? How would
Speaker 2: that be a gift to the Holy Spirit? Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that's a are That was a bizarre proof from the
Speaker 2: Azusa Street Revival. Right, what's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: I'm mute? Now we got another man? Who is it?
Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me back.
Speaker 9: I appreciate that.
Speaker 23: Earlier today you mentioned that I was speaking from silence
Speaker 23: and that there's no mysterious language that individual individual could
Speaker 23: speak when.
Speaker 4: We're when we were having it. Oh my gosh, how
Speaker 4: about you? Can you pull up one Korenthians fourteen.
Speaker 2: Too literally listed when the first time you're on here,
Speaker 2: I mentioned verse its fourteen I.
Speaker 23: Know, I know about fourteen two specifically.
Speaker 2: I mentioned that when you came on the first time.
Speaker 2: So goodbye, h BROSI what's up?
Speaker 9: Hey, what's subject?
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 24: Okay, yeah, Joy, I'm not going to have thank you
Speaker 24: you meant it's going to be real quick. Just because
Speaker 24: I heard that other guy say something about TikTok. Please
Speaker 24: don't ever don't ever do TikTok shreams again. Obviously, I've
Speaker 24: been following you for years and years, so I've seen
Speaker 24: every single every single TikTok stream you've done. Obviously, I
Speaker 24: think this idea comes from all I mean, any like
Speaker 24: other than people just like actually using TikTok, which you
Speaker 24: have to be retarded to do. Is uh. Obviously, Andrew's
Speaker 24: TikTok TikTok streams are hilarious. They're funny or whatever. And
Speaker 24: the way he goes in and you know, oh, oh Jake,
Speaker 24: you hear me? Yeah, all right, cool, Sorry I lost
Speaker 24: connecting there for a second. The way he goes in
Speaker 24: and you know, destroyed the leftis or whatever. That's great
Speaker 24: and all that's like, this is theology, so it's completely different,
Speaker 24: you know, Andrew he doesn't necessarily like recently he's gotten
Speaker 24: more into theology, but this is completely different from that.
Speaker 24: And if anybody has seen your TikTok streams, it's just
Speaker 24: it's just feral. It's just feral dogs liked there's there's
Speaker 24: no point in that those people that the people that
Speaker 24: frequent TikTok tend to be significantly younger. So it's it's
Speaker 24: a complete waste of time, man, And it kind.
Speaker 9: Of just business.
Speaker 2: Tell people, it's like all it does is just gonna
Speaker 2: get me like enraged with with idiots and then and
Speaker 2: then people are gonna get mad saying I mean so
Speaker 2: there's it's just like a it's a cash twenty two.
Speaker 24: So yeah, like a man for for whoever this this
Speaker 24: orthodox Muslim guy is that people get like obviously I
Speaker 24: have no clue who this guy is. But every time
Speaker 24: these people, regardless if it's if it's you know, guys
Speaker 24: that actually do falling consistently or just randos on on
Speaker 24: YouTube or Twitter, every time somebody suggests like there and
Speaker 24: this isn't me just you know, like being obviously call
Speaker 24: it like I tokingly call myself a diar, right, A
Speaker 24: lot of us do. I'm not like I'm not glazing.
Speaker 2: You when I say it's get it's a joke.
Speaker 24: Yeah yeah, yeah, but like uh, like what I'm about
Speaker 24: to say, I'm not glazing what I'm about to say either,
Speaker 24: Like they're just low tier compared like that, there's gonna
Speaker 24: be nothing different. You're gonna get on You're gonna get
Speaker 24: on the stream or get on their TikTok and they're
Speaker 24: gonna get on X. It's gonna be like three minutes
Speaker 24: of you know, like some some of some decent back
Speaker 24: and forth and then the heresy comes out or the
Speaker 24: low tier bullshit that they that they back whatever clean
Speaker 24: they have comes out with, Like it is a.
Speaker 9: Complete waste of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that I've done probably five
Speaker 2: multi hour and thank you for that. Appreciate that, h brother.
Speaker 2: I've done probably maybe five multi hour TikTok streams, and man,
Speaker 2: it's a challenge, I'm telling you, Like it's hard for
Speaker 2: me to remain patient with just it's like arguing with
Speaker 2: thirteen year olds that are drunk and eating a bunch
Speaker 2: of candy. So it's like thirteen year olds that have
Speaker 2: sugar high and are drunk and then they're just insane,
Speaker 2: like how far are you going to get into debate? Well,
Speaker 2: it's it's it's tough, James. What's up?
Speaker 19: Does truth evolve to match society?
Speaker 2: It can in some sense, there's difference to the calendar. Okay,
Speaker 2: here we go, So why don't you just keep making more?
Speaker 2: Or all right? Cranky around? That was the guy that
Speaker 2: called in the other day and I was like, are
Speaker 2: you ah, how old are you? And he's like a
Speaker 2: new conrat right, and who interprets the cannons? Well, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: I benshops, but John Smith, it's probably the same guy,
Speaker 2: or it's the black guy. What's up John Smith?
Speaker 5: White boy?
Speaker 4: And white boy? Hello?
Speaker 2: Can you hear us? Indeed?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 4: So? I had a couple of questions.
Speaker 25: My first one was, you've mentioned a couple of times
Speaker 25: about a cannon that uh can't ride horses. But I
Speaker 25: looked in the rudder and all I could find was
Speaker 25: that they can't. You're not supposed to attend horse racist?
Speaker 25: Is that the one you're referring to?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's it's an example that FDA always
Speaker 2: brings up, all right.
Speaker 25: And my second question was I think you've talked about
Speaker 25: the local cannon and how the Quinn Sex Council has
Speaker 25: several except the cans of several councils, so it accepts
Speaker 25: several billigal cannons.
Speaker 4: But I think you've said that the one from Carthage
Speaker 4: is the primary one. M h Uh, where is that?
Speaker 4: I couldn't find that.
Speaker 2: I'm going for memory. I think it's mentioned in the
Speaker 2: it's either I think it's Trillo. It's Trillo that specifies
Speaker 2: that it's Carthage's cannon for Bible, and then until Trul
Speaker 2: I know, but I'm saying that it's also reaffirmed at
Speaker 2: the Seventh Council. I know that quintessect is Trollo, but
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it's Trillo that mentions Carthage's cannons.
Speaker 4: Right, what I'm saying, I don't like I look through.
Speaker 25: Tru and see a distinction between Like, I don't think
Speaker 25: it talks about biblical canon at all.
Speaker 2: It just it does though it mentions it mentioned, It
Speaker 2: mentions the specific Carthaginian synods that it's reaffirming, and one
Speaker 2: of those is the one that lists the Biblical canon.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 25: But what does that have to do with accepting lots
Speaker 25: and abosol cans as well?
Speaker 2: Well, if if there's I'm saying that, let me see
Speaker 2: if I can pull it up here, right, h okay.
Speaker 2: It mentions at the beginning those of Chalcedon Sartaca and
Speaker 2: those of Carthage. And I think that it mentions at
Speaker 2: a certain place specifically, I'm going for memory, because I
Speaker 2: don't have it pulled up here. I think at a
Speaker 2: certain place it mentions which Carthaginian canons it refers to.
Speaker 2: It's like here it says the Father's assembled at Carthage showed.
Speaker 2: You would probably have to look, like at a scholarly
Speaker 2: text that would tell you which one is being referred
Speaker 2: to in Canon thirteen, So Canon two is it one
Speaker 2: or two two? And then thirteen and then twenty nine
Speaker 2: about the altar and the Eucharist, and Canon thirty two
Speaker 2: mentions Carthage again. And I'm just I'm going from memory
Speaker 2: that I read a secondary source that talked about which
Speaker 2: of the Carthaginian councils this is referring to, because there's
Speaker 2: actually quite a few, and one of these is referring
Speaker 2: to the biblical canon.
Speaker 25: You're saying, So, for example, if it's the one nine
Speaker 25: says the carbon is starting about themisters of the older.
Speaker 2: You're saying that that could I'm saying that if you
Speaker 2: look at Canon two, it mentions Sartoca and those at Carthage, right,
Speaker 2: and then it mentions those under Nectarius, Archbishop of Alexandria. Likewise,
Speaker 2: the canons of Dionysius the Great City of Alexandria, and
Speaker 2: it mentions a bunch of other canonical lists basil Uh,
Speaker 2: it mentions Cyril. If anyone should be convicted of innovating
Speaker 2: upon these canons, let him receive the canonical censure. So
Speaker 2: I'm just going from memory that this is referring to.
Speaker 2: So not every Carthaginian synod is necessarily accepted because they're
Speaker 2: local synods, but you can find in secondary literature references
Speaker 2: to which Carthaginian synods that this is referring to, and
Speaker 2: one of those is referring to the Biblical canon.
Speaker 25: Yeah, I was just saying because earlier in that, like,
Speaker 25: I think it's two lines of it's talking about a
Speaker 25: lot to see.
Speaker 9: You as well.
Speaker 2: Well, I would say that I would say that if
Speaker 2: there's conflicting canonical lists of the canon of Scripture, then
Speaker 2: it stands to reason that it's it's going to be
Speaker 2: as Orthodox you could argue that we have some a
Speaker 2: loose canon, but the universal canon whether if you look
Speaker 2: at like the fourth century, between the Apostolic Canons and
Speaker 2: the Church of the Councils of Rome, you have a
Speaker 2: universal acceptance in that whole century of all of the
Speaker 2: douter canonical texts. So if the argument is that we're
Speaker 2: looking for duter canonical proof, none of those conflicting canon
Speaker 2: lists exclude the douter canonical texts. Yeah.
Speaker 25: Yeah, it's just a question of a couple of books
Speaker 25: I think between well, that's what I was looking at,
Speaker 25: the difference between the Council Carthage that has the Biblical
Speaker 25: canon and well, for example, there's the Senate Jerusalem of
Speaker 25: sixteen seventy two or there. M well, it basically say
Speaker 25: it's allowed to see you, plus these other duterical books that.
Speaker 4: Allowed to see another man.
Speaker 2: So well, I think, but that's that's kind of what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, is like, basically no one accepted the Laodicean
Speaker 2: canon or the the list that's laid down in Canon
Speaker 2: D two or whatever, the Apisolic canons. So even though
Speaker 2: those both list the doer canonical text like that, that's
Speaker 2: just attestation to the acceptance of the deoconical text. What
Speaker 2: eventually gets pretty much universally accepted is what we have
Speaker 2: in the Orthodox Church today, because even John Damascus includes Clement,
Speaker 2: like he thinks that Clement is part of the Canon Scripture.
Speaker 2: So there was so even in John Damascus's day, there's
Speaker 2: still somewhat of a degree of flexibility because it looks
Speaker 2: like he's just looking at Canon fifty two of Apostolic Canons.
Speaker 4: Yet understanding the minders saying.
Speaker 25: I was just wondering if you had a source for
Speaker 25: the primary say that a couple of times.
Speaker 2: I don't remember where it's I've read it in some
Speaker 2: some secondary literature. But even if that's incorrect, like, it's
Speaker 2: still pretty normative that do Orthodox Church accepts, you know,
Speaker 2: the douter canonical texts and in the Book of Revelation
Speaker 2: and whatever. This variation is with John Damascus and Canon
Speaker 2: fifty two. Is it fifty two? I think it is
Speaker 2: fifty two or is it eighty two? Excuse me of
Speaker 2: absolute Yeah, it's the one that lists the the Canon Scripture.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm exchooseing eighty five, correct, Yeah, Like that's the
Speaker 2: one that lists Clement versus Second Clement and that's the
Speaker 2: list that John Damascus gives. So even in John Damascus's day,
Speaker 2: he apparently thought that the canon of the Apostolic canons
Speaker 2: was normative. But even at Quentessex Trollo like, you could
Speaker 2: argue that it's not exactly clear that that's the canon
Speaker 2: that's chosen. You could argue that it's It seems to
Speaker 2: be that the church eventually just default. It's to the
Speaker 2: common canonical acceptance between East and West, which Canon eighty
Speaker 2: five here does attest to the Deutero canon, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't attest to what the church accepts as the normative
Speaker 2: New Testament. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: You're from Amocus, doesn't revolution?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: All right, yeah, they answer my questions.
Speaker 9: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's see here.
Speaker 2: So I don't this guy thinks that I'm going to
Speaker 2: fall for all his fake body accounts. Will have one
Speaker 2: Followergan Skills. What's up?
Speaker 22: Man?
Speaker 9: Yes, sir, what's up? Cristalina sp.
Speaker 4: Oh Man?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 18: I can't?
Speaker 4: Okay, So I actually had two questions.
Speaker 26: But this one kind of got brought up because you
Speaker 26: were talking about the Angel of the Lord and the
Speaker 26: Old Testament.
Speaker 9: And.
Speaker 26: I was commenting on this YouTube video on Hebrews one
Speaker 26: where this like, I don't know, he's a torner guy,
Speaker 26: you know, Monotheus kind of I don't know what what
Speaker 26: it deal is exactly, but he was commenting on a
Speaker 26: debate by David Wood and Alex something O'Connor, I think,
Speaker 26: and it was on Hebrews one, and he says, the
Speaker 26: past is they're referencing about how God I spoke at
Speaker 26: various times and to the prophets, and the Old Testament
Speaker 26: has in these last day spoken by his son. He said,
Speaker 26: the passage that they used actually refused their position because
Speaker 26: it's creating a distinction between the way he spoke in
Speaker 26: the past to the to the fathers by the prophet
Speaker 26: versus has been in these last day spoken to us
Speaker 26: by his son. So I say, it couldn't have been
Speaker 26: his son in the Old Testament. And I was kind
Speaker 26: of like arguing that, no, that doesn't refute it, because.
Speaker 4: He's kind of he's addressing.
Speaker 2: The way that he's spoken to us in these last
Speaker 2: days by his son. Is the is the incarnation exactly?
Speaker 24: That's what I was that That was my argument is
Speaker 24: he was the distinction.
Speaker 2: Is the preincarnate versus I look the whole chapter is
Speaker 2: arguing that the son is the creator, and that was
Speaker 2: the second If the son is the creator, then he
Speaker 2: If the son is the creator, as the whole chapter
Speaker 2: is arguing, then he has to be the one that's
Speaker 2: speaking the Old Testament.
Speaker 9: Uh. Yeah.
Speaker 26: He refuted to engage with that second part, which says
Speaker 26: he created the world through his son. I'm like, how
Speaker 26: could he have created because he was arguing that Jesus
Speaker 26: is like a prophet or something.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, how much?
Speaker 9: How did a prophet create the world?
Speaker 4: And how is this angel creator?
Speaker 2: Right? Right? Right? Yeah? Yeah, I appreciate that, and I
Speaker 2: don't know what else. Just I mean, somebody's gonna be
Speaker 2: up to so like, just move on. There's no point
Speaker 2: in having that discussion. What's up, Scott? Do you want
Speaker 2: to call in you wanted to speak earlier or we'll
Speaker 2: go to what's up?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What's up?
Speaker 9: Nothing?
Speaker 6: So you you invited me on here. You said you
Speaker 6: wanted to debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you took issue with me being basically a debate
Speaker 2: or something that I've been doing for a really long time,
Speaker 2: and you said that you felt like it wasn't the
Speaker 2: best way to turn the tide or the needle within culture.
Speaker 2: What I was disagreeing with you with more specifically, was
Speaker 2: that if you yourself admit that you're a quote shitty
Speaker 2: Catholic and not in a position to make these kinds
Speaker 2: of spiritual judgments, Like, how are you in a position
Speaker 2: to say that debating is bad?
Speaker 16: Because spiritual judgments are not the same as trying to
Speaker 16: move the needle on a cultural level.
Speaker 4: And I don't know why you would.
Speaker 16: Think that those are two things that are directly related
Speaker 16: insofar as you cannot have one without the other.
Speaker 2: Well, but what I'm saying is like, if you're going
Speaker 2: to make assessments of what's virtuous and not virtuous, and
Speaker 2: what works and doesn't work, like if you're a shitty
Speaker 2: Catholic quote your terms, not mine, how would that put
Speaker 2: you in a position to make this kind of judgment
Speaker 2: call about whether debating is profitable or not.
Speaker 6: Because it's got nothing to do with religion.
Speaker 16: We saw for what the last sixty maybe even seventy
Speaker 16: or eighty years, hell, maybe even for a little.
Speaker 9: Bit longer than that.
Speaker 16: The gears of society have turned, and we have gone
Speaker 16: in a direction of atheism, secularism at best, and nihilism.
Speaker 2: At worst, you don't. You don't think that has to
Speaker 2: do with religion.
Speaker 16: I think it has to do more with the way
Speaker 16: that cultures shift and the way that people will operate
Speaker 16: to try and turn those cultures into.
Speaker 9: The direction that they're going in.
Speaker 2: How does a person combat the massive influence of Muslim
Speaker 2: influencers and debaters and TikTokers, for example, without debating them.
Speaker 16: What's that got to do with you arguing about fucking
Speaker 16: Catholicism though, because because because like, don't, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 16: you want to you want to debate Muslims, fucking whatever,
Speaker 16: do your thing. But like you are literally here on
Speaker 16: Easter trying to start slap fights with people over what
Speaker 16: fucking because you disagree with them about the correct way
Speaker 16: to enterate Christ or the correct church doctrine or dogma
Speaker 16: or whatever.
Speaker 4: People.
Speaker 16: The fact of the matter is people see stuff like
Speaker 16: that and they're like, Wow, these guys fucking suck.
Speaker 9: I don't want to be around that.
Speaker 2: No, you you may think that, you might think that,
Speaker 2: you might think that that's why.
Speaker 6: The world has changed in the way that it has.
Speaker 2: No, you're not even in c people, You're not in
Speaker 2: a position to make this assessment I'm in whatever position,
Speaker 2: I feel like you're not in it, You're not in
Speaker 2: a competent position, and joke like you're not culturally relevant.
Speaker 6: Nobody remembers a debate fucking a week or two later.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the thousands. So when I go to why
Speaker 2: are you interrupting me? When I when I go.
Speaker 6: To one and people laugh about Jordan.
Speaker 2: When I go to churches and I meet thousands of
Speaker 2: people that have converted in the last five or six
Speaker 2: years from debates, how does that telling me that debates
Speaker 2: don't matter and are useless.
Speaker 6: I think you're making it up. I'm being honest.
Speaker 16: You met thousands of people, you met your you're toring,
Speaker 16: you're touring the country, going to church after church, and.
Speaker 2: Every one of them is like, yeah, dire.
Speaker 6: Dude, I saw that debate with this.
Speaker 2: With that, you realize that, you realize that we and
Speaker 2: why are you? Why are you? Why are you? Why
Speaker 2: are you melting down? When there's literally we just had
Speaker 2: two thousand people. We just had two thousand people in
Speaker 2: the live chat here. I've done I've done live debates.
Speaker 2: I've done live debates and live events from coast to
Speaker 2: coast for the last five years. And yeah, I've met
Speaker 2: thousands of people. You can watch a lot of these debates.
Speaker 2: I mentioned to you in the DMS, the Muslim debate
Speaker 2: that was just seen by over four million people. So
Speaker 2: you're saying that I'm just making all this up.
Speaker 6: Four million converts?
Speaker 2: Right, I did it? Did I say converts? I said
Speaker 2: it was watched by four million people, and I met
Speaker 2: thousands of converts.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean fucking when I turn on the TV,
Speaker 16: I see Real Housewive, so fucking Alaska on. Technically, I'll
Speaker 16: watched it for two seconds, but it doesn't mean it
Speaker 16: actually had an effect on me.
Speaker 6: And that's the point that I'm.
Speaker 2: So and so you think that the so you think
Speaker 2: I'm lying about I'm lying about this.
Speaker 16: Culture is what matters. Culture is what matters. And if
Speaker 16: you're not creating something.
Speaker 2: Who are the how is there?
Speaker 9: Was?
Speaker 4: Just?
Speaker 2: What does that even mean? Culture is what matter? Religion
Speaker 2: is part of culture? So does it? What are you
Speaker 2: even talking about?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 16: And if religion is not going to tap into the
Speaker 16: culture in a way that is going to be fruitful.
Speaker 6: Then you're not going to have nearly as many converts
Speaker 6: as you need to be able to count around.
Speaker 2: Well, you just accused me of lying when I when
Speaker 2: I can show you the fruits of the people that
Speaker 2: are in these churches. Have you ever been to an
Speaker 2: Orthodox church?
Speaker 5: Non?
Speaker 6: And I really don't feel like, uh really don't feel
Speaker 6: like I need.
Speaker 2: To go to one, truthfully, Okay, But that would prove
Speaker 2: to you that I'm not lying, because you can go
Speaker 2: and meet that. We just had two hundred people in
Speaker 2: just the UK and one church converted a few days ago.
Speaker 6: Sure, two hundred people in a country of how many people?
Speaker 2: No, in one pairh that's one example.
Speaker 6: Perish, Okay, two hundred people?
Speaker 2: Okay, Now do you want to do you want to go?
Speaker 2: Do you want to go look at you know you're
Speaker 2: saying that I'm lying about it. Do you want to
Speaker 2: go look up? How many people at Father Josiah Trnham's
Speaker 2: parish converted recently?
Speaker 6: I don't think it really matters.
Speaker 2: Got bell hold on? It doesn't matter? But it is
Speaker 2: no hold on. You said it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: You're not culturally relevant in the way.
Speaker 9: That you think you are.
Speaker 2: Okay, but it and that's the point that I'm making.
Speaker 2: So you're just trying to go after me personally to
Speaker 2: make slights at me when everything that I'm telling you
Speaker 2: disproves your accusation that I'm lying. You said I'm lying
Speaker 2: about thousands of converts. I'm giving you the things that
Speaker 2: would disprove that, and you're saying I don't care.
Speaker 16: I mean, you're the one who's going after people based
Speaker 16: off of things like say they're Catholicism and things like that.
Speaker 2: You know, you, So you're but hurt because I'm going
Speaker 2: after Catholics.
Speaker 16: You go after someone like Razorfist, who's well known for
Speaker 16: being verbose and hyperbolic, and yeah, so what other crazy things?
Speaker 16: And when he does what rape? When Razorfist is Razor,
Speaker 16: You're like, whoa, where the hell did that come from? No,
Speaker 16: that's that's stupid, bro.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, that's not true.
Speaker 16: It has shifted since the fifties or even before that.
Speaker 6: The culture has shifted in a way.
Speaker 2: Okay, everybody, Why why should we listen to your Why
Speaker 2: are we supposed to listen to you as some cultural
Speaker 2: you don't have You don't have any audience. You don't
Speaker 2: have any audience. Why are we supposed to believe you
Speaker 2: on cultural analysis? What is your quality? What's your qualification
Speaker 2: for cultural analysis?
Speaker 6: Jesus Jesus didn't have an audience.
Speaker 2: So you're what is your qualification for cultural analysis? Looking
Speaker 2: at the lest looking looking at the last.
Speaker 6: The country has shifted looking.
Speaker 2: Look, this is the dumbest, This is the dumbest. Once anosense,
Speaker 2: do you accuse me of being a liar? Listen, you
Speaker 2: don't care about the counter evidence, you don't care, you
Speaker 2: don't care about the count right now, you're the one
Speaker 2: that's cussing me out. Man, I'm just laughing at the
Speaker 2: nonsense that you're saying.
Speaker 9: Uh, I kind of like you're a little shit.
Speaker 2: Got to be honest because what you're saying is ridiculous.
Speaker 2: The whole chat's laughing at You got two thousand people
Speaker 2: laughing at you, which, by the way, is that all fake,
Speaker 2: that's made up?
Speaker 6: If they're not made up, they're fucking stupid.
Speaker 2: Oh, the whole audience is stupid, is all the Orthodox
Speaker 2: people are stupid?
Speaker 9: The ones watching right now?
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, So the actual churches that would refute
Speaker 2: your claim that I lie about all this, you don't
Speaker 2: care about that.
Speaker 16: You see what's happening right now, right I'm trying to
Speaker 16: keep the conversation on what we dm about talking about.
Speaker 2: Bro you called me, You call me a liar? Sitting
Speaker 2: to you called me a liar.
Speaker 16: Dude, just slowly shift in a conversation that you feel
Speaker 16: like you can.
Speaker 2: You call me a liar? Did you not?
Speaker 16: The matter is, the Boomers don't look back at church
Speaker 16: when they were young.
Speaker 2: They what are you even talking about? This is like
Speaker 2: an eighty IQ conversation. The Boomers don't look at what
Speaker 2: the whole the whole two thousand people are laughing at you, bro,
Speaker 2: they look.
Speaker 6: Back at They don't, they don't.
Speaker 9: I don't give a fuck what they think. All two
Speaker 9: thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: And so we're supposed to listen to you about so
Speaker 2: you want to give spiritual advice and we're supposed to
Speaker 2: listen to you. You're literally just telling the entire chat
Speaker 2: to f off.
Speaker 9: Yeah you chat?
Speaker 2: Okay. So this is Scott Sullivan the m M. A
Speaker 2: guy who has absolutely no qualification in any subject that
Speaker 2: he's talking about.
Speaker 9: Oh you do I do I need to go? Do
Speaker 9: I need to go to college? Do I need to
Speaker 9: get a PhD?
Speaker 2: Do you do you do you read at all?
Speaker 6: Talk about what everybody has known.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about culture, and you have no
Speaker 2: qualifications in the subject matter? So yes, correct?
Speaker 9: What? What?
Speaker 6: What qualifications would make you happy?
Speaker 2: What any any at all?
Speaker 6: What school do I need to go?
Speaker 2: Can you give me any example of a single book
Speaker 2: on culture that you've read?
Speaker 9: Uh? Julius and Bulla's The Whole Guest, Modern World, Ride
Speaker 9: the Tiger.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so you're a perennialist. You're a perennialist.
Speaker 6: More of a traditionalist.
Speaker 2: Okay. Do you like Julius Evela's discussions of magical butt sex?
Speaker 9: Yeah? Sure? Sure?
Speaker 2: Is that is that good for culture?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 6: But I think right, the Tiger is good for culture?
Speaker 2: Okay? And what are we supposed to go to some
Speaker 2: sort of a what fascist magical? Uh? Like leader? That's
Speaker 2: a that's a magician.
Speaker 6: Actually, Evola rejected the Fascist party.
Speaker 18: Uh.
Speaker 2: If you read his Metaphysics of Sexuality, he argues that
Speaker 2: we should have magical butt sex. So do you agree
Speaker 2: with that or not?
Speaker 6: Well, I've never read that book. Bottom line.
Speaker 16: Bottom line is that the culture is shifting in a
Speaker 16: direction that is not healthy for any of us. And
Speaker 16: you can sit here and have your internet slat flights,
Speaker 16: But what are you doing to actually move the needle
Speaker 16: back into a healthy place?
Speaker 2: How about debating all how about opposingated? How about opposing
Speaker 2: is capture? How about opposing But when I give you
Speaker 2: the counter examples material, When I give you the examples,
Speaker 2: you're done.
Speaker 9: Fantastic thing. I don't think it's a bad thing at all.
Speaker 9: Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: Okay, but hey, the end of the day, he bro
Speaker 2: I'm blocking you. If you I'm blocking you, we're done.
Speaker 2: People together, nobody, nobody cares about your low tier nonsense.
Speaker 9: What's wrong with the world today is that the.
Speaker 2: Dude, you're not even competent to discuss any of this.
Speaker 2: What you're saying doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 9: That's all you're doing. That's literally all you do, man.
Speaker 2: And it's all I do is back in my day?
Speaker 2: What does that even mean?
Speaker 6: And make the conversation into one that you feel like
Speaker 6: you can win.
Speaker 9: You can?
Speaker 4: You can?
Speaker 2: You mean when you accuse me of lying? Understand that,
Speaker 2: when you accuse me of lying, and then I show
Speaker 2: you all right, all right, we're done. You're done. That
Speaker 2: was the dumbest shit I've heard in ages. That was
Speaker 2: the stupidest bunch of nonsense. He read one level of books.
Speaker 2: So there we go. Yeah, roid rage exactly, So you'll
Speaker 2: notice what these people do is like they'll say something
Speaker 2: like you're lying, it's all made up. There's not people
Speaker 2: who've converted. And then when I start to give the examples,
Speaker 2: he says, I don't give a shit. Wow, Charles, what's up.
Speaker 16: They?
Speaker 9: Can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 27: I just want to totally counter signal that last guy
Speaker 27: with an idiot. I know you've made a big impression
Speaker 27: on my life and any friends who are interested again
Speaker 27: in you know, inquiring into Orthodoxy things like that, just
Speaker 27: from listening to debates where real conversations happen. I think
Speaker 27: that's actually what's been lacking in a lot of the religious.
Speaker 2: Experience, total nonsets. Like I've literally been here, I've literally
Speaker 2: gone coast to coast meeting people. So here's the guy
Speaker 2: if you guys want to go engage this moron, Scott
Speaker 2: Sullivan MMA, the guy who literally just said f all
Speaker 2: of you in the chat. He doesn't care you're all idiots,
Speaker 2: and uh, here's what he actually looks like. And he
Speaker 2: the funny part was that he's like, I admit that
Speaker 2: I'm an idiot and I'm a shitty Catholic and you
Speaker 2: shouldn't listen to me about anything religious, But let me
Speaker 2: tell you how to solve culture's problems. And what isn't
Speaker 2: good with debating? Why would anyone listen to this individual
Speaker 2: who literally can't even put together a coherent argument.
Speaker 9: No, I mean it's not even really worth even interesting.
Speaker 2: That was just so stupid.
Speaker 27: But I meant, when he's pressed to discuss ideas, he
Speaker 27: talks about Julius Evola like a fourteen year old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, which like a volat is a clown man.
Speaker 2: If you read his metaphysics of sexuality, he actually argues
Speaker 2: that we should have magical butt sex. There's a whole
Speaker 2: chapter on it. I have the book, I've read it.
Speaker 27: No, the traditionless guys like went on and what's their
Speaker 27: shoe on?
Speaker 9: Like their pedophiles like weird.
Speaker 27: I mean maybe there's some interesting like right wing ideas, sure,
Speaker 27: but like as a general worldview, that's going to like
Speaker 27: spiritually reorient us just like gutter trash stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a whole chapter in Aros and the Mysteries
Speaker 2: of Love on magical butt sex and why he likes
Speaker 2: Alistair Curley so much. So there you go, that's it's
Speaker 2: not fundamentally a religious problem in society. It's moving the culture, Like,
Speaker 2: what does that even mean? Chase, what's up? What's up doing?
Speaker 9: Hey, it took a second time you. I just think
Speaker 9: it's funny.
Speaker 12: Without any unchanging foundation and guidepost to what's morally acceptable
Speaker 12: and what's not. Where does where can culture go anywhere?
Speaker 12: Anywhere and everywhere? And so when you have distorted, incorrect
Speaker 12: religious worldview that does push perennialism like Roman Catholicism does.
Speaker 12: Now it's a false religion. What's that going to allow for?
Speaker 12: It's going to allow for any culture to do anything. So, yes,
Speaker 12: we want people in every aspect of culture, in music,
Speaker 12: in art, and television. But the root problem is the
Speaker 12: religious framework that prevents certain transgressions like the stuff I'm
Speaker 12: talking about with Evola taking place in the first it's
Speaker 12: it's just so goofy, I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah. On top of that, by the way, he just
Speaker 2: spent twenty minutes trying to debate telling me that debating
Speaker 2: is stupid and futile. Imagine the stupidity and the lack
Speaker 2: of self awareness to come to debate that debating is stupid.
Speaker 12: I don't think he understands that. To be ho, I'm
Speaker 12: not trying to be mean, like I thought, you know something.
Speaker 2: No, that was like this, this is a guy who's
Speaker 2: like maybe a hunter IQ, like not even.
Speaker 12: And I've seen him pop up and have a couple
Speaker 12: of funny moments in certain you know, you know, uh,
Speaker 12: YouTube things and stuff, and it was like, oh, you
Speaker 12: had a funny moment or something.
Speaker 9: But it was yeah, it was just goofy.
Speaker 12: I just if you want, if you're saying the cultures
Speaker 12: headed in a bad direction, you're asking all these deeper
Speaker 12: philosophical questions, which is what Jay's getting at, and it's
Speaker 12: it's just goofy.
Speaker 9: I just wanted to say, it's it's totally backwards.
Speaker 12: You want people upstream in culture putting out good art
Speaker 12: that does glorify and magnify God and rebukes bullshit. And
Speaker 12: then you need people going at the direct foundation to
Speaker 12: go up you know upstream as well. Right, you need both.
Speaker 12: You want everything. You want a whole culture informed by
Speaker 12: the good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Here is Evilah by the way, talking about what
Speaker 2: he likes in Croley. So his answer to culture and
Speaker 2: society is a lunatic promoting that magical b U T
Speaker 2: T se x. And so you can go read his
Speaker 2: assessments of Croley. It's around page two, sixty four, sixty five,
Speaker 2: and I'm pretty sure he has a positive appropriation of
Speaker 2: uh butt sex.
Speaker 12: Magic well and and again, what's what's funny about that
Speaker 12: is Crawley, you know, with the you know, the people
Speaker 12: and the poo poo thing, he thought, you know, Oh,
Speaker 12: it's the final transgression you know, someone can make, and
Speaker 12: a transgression of what the very religious ordering that debating
Speaker 12: these false religions as well as atheists and perennialists.
Speaker 9: Allows for, like it's just or sorry, wouldn't allow for
Speaker 9: if they were in place.
Speaker 12: But I'm gonna head out. I'm gonna go go listen,
Speaker 12: christ has Risen, have a good.
Speaker 11: One, Jay, what's up?
Speaker 2: Man? Sonic, what's up?
Speaker 4: Hey? Bro? Didn't realize I was up.
Speaker 23: Hey.
Speaker 28: This all sounds very sophisticated, but I'm curious as far.
Speaker 4: As these guys go, who just.
Speaker 23: Kind of launch in to things that they're ill equipped for,
Speaker 23: even on a daylight today.
Speaker 4: Truthfully, I'm not.
Speaker 23: Much of a reader as far as this stuff goes.
Speaker 4: I'm saved by grace, but I'm.
Speaker 23: Just curious about how this plays into.
Speaker 4: Guys who are willing to do nothing but to act.
Speaker 28: As far as this all sounds very book smart, but
Speaker 28: where does it come in.
Speaker 4: For people who are just tired and who are.
Speaker 29: Ready to act on whatever their exhaustion is with where
Speaker 29: they're at.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean act?
Speaker 4: What do you mean?
Speaker 28: So you guys are talking about like authors, right, You're
Speaker 28: talking about like different authors and like Christian Cannon from
Speaker 28: what I've gathered, right, you guys are talking about authors
Speaker 28: like like favor is kind of what.
Speaker 9: It sounds like.
Speaker 2: Evila is a pagan, so he has nothing to do
Speaker 2: with Christianity.
Speaker 4: Okay, So.
Speaker 23: Okay, so he referenced him.
Speaker 4: Do you have any that you're a fan of?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So look, man, it's a it's an open debate.
Speaker 2: So I mean, if you wanted to come to discuss
Speaker 2: and have debate, that's fine. But I mean, I don't.
Speaker 2: I just cannot understand.
Speaker 4: What you're after the debate. I'm just looking to further understand.
Speaker 2: I understand what.
Speaker 4: You guys are are.
Speaker 28: You're against Catholics, You're with Catholics.
Speaker 2: I am not Okay, I see what you're saying. I
Speaker 2: am not pro Catholic. No, I am against Catholicism. I'm Orthodox,
Speaker 2: but we also debate Protestants, atheists, or whoever would like
Speaker 2: to come debate.
Speaker 23: Okay, for the most part, Protestants have been against Catholics.
Speaker 4: Next as part as what.
Speaker 28: I'm perhaps I'm ill equipped to even be talking to
Speaker 28: you right now. But for the most part, the discourse
Speaker 28: I've seen is Protestants and Catholics against each other.
Speaker 2: M what about it?
Speaker 4: Them just arguing for more structure.
Speaker 23: People online in suits Orthodox not Orthodox Liberal versions of
Speaker 23: these religions.
Speaker 4: Whether to get in a suit to go to church
Speaker 4: or not a suit not a church man.
Speaker 28: I don't know if anyone else can relate, but I
Speaker 28: just don't go to church.
Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of people can relate that they
Speaker 4: don't go to church.
Speaker 9: Do you go to church?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You go to church?
Speaker 4: How many times a week?
Speaker 2: Usually one? Maybe two?
Speaker 4: What Sunday and Wednesday?
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, Orthodox church usually has other services. It's not
Speaker 2: really Wednesday, but generally Sunday, but some other days sometimes
Speaker 2: we have a Saturday service.
Speaker 4: Okay, so generally on the weekends. What about the people that.
Speaker 28: Don't partake in these quote unquote bodies of Christ at all?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's not typically the Orthodox attitude to
Speaker 2: judge people individually, but I mean, we do believe that
Speaker 2: humans were made to engage in ordered worship towards God. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in a community.
Speaker 30: Is that based somewhat off the scripture of where one
Speaker 30: or two were gathered?
Speaker 2: Is well? I mean yeah, partly. And then you know
Speaker 2: Paul says, don't forsake the coming together. Yeah.
Speaker 30: Well, would you say to people who are struggling to find.
Speaker 2: That at all, Well, I would say, go check out
Speaker 2: an Orthodox church, Go visit one.
Speaker 1: Orthodox what not Orthodox Protestant, not Orthodox.
Speaker 2: East Eastern Orthodox Church, the Orthodox Catholic Church, specific.
Speaker 4: The Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church. Correct, Okay?
Speaker 28: And I I'm of course coming to you as a
Speaker 28: gentleman who has grown up in church almost my entire life,
Speaker 28: left it at probably the age.
Speaker 4: Of separate seventeen and never went back. You don't feel
Speaker 4: like there's any like vetting.
Speaker 9: Process you have to have with these churches.
Speaker 30: You feel like anyone could enter these places and pretty.
Speaker 4: Much be set. Now.
Speaker 2: The Orthodox Church is the strictest for vetting.
Speaker 4: Okay, which is my elaborating on that. As far as
Speaker 4: what their vetting processes.
Speaker 2: Are, it's usually one to three years before you become
Speaker 2: a member of the Orthodox Church.
Speaker 4: Schooling of.
Speaker 2: No attending the services and going through what's called a catechumenate.
Speaker 30: Yeah, and that is what the deacons.
Speaker 4: The elders.
Speaker 2: You mean making the decision. Yes, well, yeah, there's there's
Speaker 2: priests and deacons and then so basically a person first
Speaker 2: inquires and then they go through a process of being
Speaker 2: a catech human for anywhere from six months to three years,
Speaker 2: depending upon what priests and deacons determine correct.
Speaker 30: And what sort of quality is that these people do
Speaker 30: they filter out?
Speaker 4: Are there any.
Speaker 2: Well? Usually in that time period, they're just looking to
Speaker 2: see if you really do want to be in the
Speaker 2: church and you are serious about learning it and keeping
Speaker 2: to it's you know, teachings.
Speaker 23: So okay, what about it's the quality of the people
Speaker 23: that they're actually getting involved.
Speaker 30: Is it mostly in these kind of liberal non denominational
Speaker 30: churches that they just do that and kind of make
Speaker 30: sure you're conformative enough, or do they have some sort
Speaker 30: of deeper framework to actually vet the men who are
Speaker 30: becoming involved.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about just joining the church, people going
Speaker 2: into the ministry.
Speaker 4: People actually becoming part of the ministry.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's very strict. I mean that doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that there can't be you know, still evil people, but
Speaker 2: it's it's more strict than anywhere else.
Speaker 31: That's that's what I'm interested though.
Speaker 4: How are how is this Ether Eastern.
Speaker 9: Orthodox mythology.
Speaker 4: Preventing the wolves among sheep?
Speaker 2: Well, again, there's no perfect system, because there can always
Speaker 2: be people who maybe even begin good and then turn evil.
Speaker 2: So there is no perfect system, but it has the
Speaker 2: strictest canonical prescriptions on who can and cannot be a
Speaker 2: member of the priesthood.
Speaker 9: Could you elaborate on that a little bit deeper.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just all kinds of things, for example,
Speaker 2: that can disqualify you from being a priest if you
Speaker 2: were you know, if you had a criminal background, if
Speaker 2: you were abusive to your spouse, or I mean, there's
Speaker 2: all kinds of things that can disqualify you. Okay, well, look,
Speaker 2: what I would suggest is, if you're interested in this topic,
Speaker 2: there's a great documentary that is a good introductory documentary.
Speaker 2: It's called The Icon. It's a seven part documentary. I
Speaker 2: would say go check that out. James Beaty White, what's
Speaker 2: up man?
Speaker 9: Hello? Can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 9: Awesome.
Speaker 31: So this is not exactly theologically oriented.
Speaker 9: So I do apologize. That's okay.
Speaker 32: I am in university and my brothers and so people
Speaker 32: at university and my brothers they're like dug in on
Speaker 32: like Andrew tap manosphere, and I'm just curious from you,
Speaker 32: what are the strongest arguments I can make to you know.
Speaker 6: Because when someone comes up to with this nonsense, I.
Speaker 24: Want to I don't want to just say oh, he's bad, because.
Speaker 9: You know, I want to.
Speaker 6: Actually have reasonable reasons to say this is false.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the manosphere only goes so far in
Speaker 2: terms of like critique. Okay, so I critiques feminism, but
Speaker 2: what's the positive that it's providing after the critique? So
Speaker 2: basically it's just going to say what stack stack cheddar
Speaker 2: stack crypto and try to get laid like that's all
Speaker 2: there is to it. So it's just based a hedonistic
Speaker 2: response to a problem in society, and you can't really
Speaker 2: solve that level of a problem, which obviously you know,
Speaker 2: feminism all this stuff is like a massive problem with
Speaker 2: limited hedonism, right, So how is that going to fix anything,
Speaker 2: solve anything? I mean, you can take measure and be
Speaker 2: you know, careful and restrictive for your personal life in
Speaker 2: terms of like, you know, if I'm going to start
Speaker 2: dating a girl, I want to know, you know, as
Speaker 2: much as I can about her background. I want to
Speaker 2: know what the likelihood is of her, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, trying to steal money and be a gold digger, right, Like,
Speaker 2: you can take all these precautions or whatever, But I
Speaker 2: just don't think Islam or hedonism is going to be
Speaker 2: a solution to real problems. And at the same time,
Speaker 2: I'm starting to think that more and more the quote
Speaker 2: red pill stuff in terms of the movement, not the
Speaker 2: individual arguments or critiques or positions they're being debated, but
Speaker 2: the move of the red pill in terms of the
Speaker 2: influencers I think is probably going to turn more and
Speaker 2: more in the direction of pushing Islam. Maybe not, maybe
Speaker 2: it won't go in that direction, but that's what I suspect.
Speaker 2: And so because a lot of these people and influencers
Speaker 2: are pushing what they're pushing based on funding, I don't
Speaker 2: have proof of who's funding or pushing a lot of
Speaker 2: the stuff that's out there, and obviously there's individual grifters
Speaker 2: and all this kind of stuff, but I do think
Speaker 2: that there's probably some Islamic push in the background, and
Speaker 2: that makes sense with where they're trying to move these things,
Speaker 2: and so probably they're going to try to say, after
Speaker 2: you know, years of that, they're going to say, well, look,
Speaker 2: I guess you know, look straight up, hedonism isn't gonna
Speaker 2: work the solutions Islam. But I'm I'm speculating here, slow boy,
Speaker 2: can you hear me? Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 9: What's up? Man?
Speaker 29: Not that you need to defense at all, but the
Speaker 29: guy earlier saying that you like, you don't have converts
Speaker 29: going to the church because you know.
Speaker 4: You're lying or something.
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm I came out.
Speaker 29: I was born into onest Pentecostal, went into Calvinism, and
Speaker 29: then now I'm in an Antiochian church because of the
Speaker 29: type of arguments you give against Catholicism and Protestantism. So
Speaker 29: and there's actually another guy in the church that I
Speaker 29: went to with Pashka last night, and he came out
Speaker 29: of shamanism and a whole bunch of other stuff because
Speaker 29: of you as well.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of the dude's.
Speaker 29: Just like blatantly just trying to talk over you and
Speaker 29: just trying to spew out shit.
Speaker 4: So it makes sense.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, it's like many
Speaker 2: of you guys have been to our live events, and
Speaker 2: we don't have thousands of people at a live event.
Speaker 2: We get anywhere from one hundred to one hundred and twenty.
Speaker 2: But we've done many live events in the last several years.
Speaker 2: And if you tally that up together with what people
Speaker 2: like Father Whitford, or what Father Josiah or what Father
Speaker 2: Moses and all these people are saying, and yes, it's cumulative.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying, oh, it's all just me. I know,
Speaker 2: you know what we've been doing here has resulted since
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. I mean, there's twelve thousand people in the
Speaker 2: discord alone, right, and I don't spend a lot of
Speaker 2: time in there, but that was my discord, and me
Speaker 2: and Kai and Lewis and all the other mods and
Speaker 2: David helped build that up, and they all converted back
Speaker 2: in the twenty seventeen sixteen era phase. And there's been
Speaker 2: waves of this for almost eight or nine years. The
Speaker 2: channel has one hundred and sixty thousand subscribers. You could
Speaker 2: calculate that at least some portion of that are people
Speaker 2: who converted to Orthodoxy, which would be in the thousands,
Speaker 2: and so I can extrapolate from everyone else's testimonies to
Speaker 2: their churches, catechumen and growth that yeah, of course it
Speaker 2: is at least in the thousands. But that's not just me.
Speaker 2: That's cumulative. It's also other you know, Father Moses' channel
Speaker 2: just popped off to he's got like over one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand subscribers. Andrew's channel has grown, right, Father Josiah's channel
Speaker 2: is large, you know. So it's like, of course there's
Speaker 2: a lot of people converting Orthodoxy and then he just
Speaker 2: dismisses it. I don't go, shit, well, but you said
Speaker 2: that there weren't these people converting, and then when I
Speaker 2: tell you now you don't care. Right, It's just like
Speaker 2: there's something that dude's got something off. There's something wrong
Speaker 2: with that dude. I don't know what set him off.
Speaker 2: Because if we want to talk about, let's talk about
Speaker 2: the razor fit situation. Because all it was was me again,
Speaker 2: just simply asking him for a debate, so very simple
Speaker 2: for ever everybody knows, Like, because I know that a
Speaker 2: lot of these people are gonna have meltdowns, I intentionally
Speaker 2: keep the questions simple and brief. In the DMS would
Speaker 2: you like to debate, and I'll show you what here was.
Speaker 2: This was his reply. Look at this insanity. Your calo,
Speaker 2: he means cal I don't think he knows that the
Speaker 2: word callous is not the word callo. Right, your callo
Speaker 2: attempts to draw viewership by turning Christianity to combat sport
Speaker 2: as a shy side show. I harbor nothing but contempt
Speaker 2: for you and by you by my anger. But my
Speaker 2: anger burns compared to what the Lord prescribes for those
Speaker 2: who mock him. I mean, it was this guy drunk
Speaker 2: last night when he's posting this. This is precisely what
Speaker 2: you have done. I refuse to be complicit in your profanation.
Speaker 2: You should be a same ashamed of yourself. I hope
Speaker 2: you repent. Like this is like weird. People need to study,
Speaker 2: like the meltdowns that I get just for a simple text.
Speaker 2: Would you like to do a formal debate? And I
Speaker 2: asked him a specific topic? He was like, you never
Speaker 2: gave me a specific topic. No, I actually gave you
Speaker 2: a list. In fact, I'll show you the list because
Speaker 2: I posted it. So again, just it's weird that people
Speaker 2: will be dishonest about stuff that there's receipts. Right Like,
Speaker 2: he's like, you never told me a topic to debate,
Speaker 2: specifically said because he talked smack against Orthodox right. He's like,
Speaker 2: Orthodox are a bunch of bearded idiots and all this
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. And he says they reject all the
Speaker 2: church fathers in the West. I was like, what are
Speaker 2: you talking about? That's not even true. Here we go.
Speaker 2: Razorfist says, you are challenging every pundit who remotely disagrees
Speaker 2: with you. No, no, no, you talk smack about Orthodoxy. Hi,
Speaker 2: I'm father beard Man. Today I'm going to explain you
Speaker 2: that I can save the West by converting to an
Speaker 2: Orthodox offshoot of Christianity that rejects every Western church father
Speaker 2: from Augustine to Ambrose. First of all, august and Ambrose
Speaker 2: are contemporary, so his comment is idiotic. And here is
Speaker 2: the DM. Would you like to publicly debate your claim?
Speaker 2: This was your claim? But he says, you never actually
Speaker 2: gave me something to debate or disagree with them? Right,
Speaker 2: he says, you're Orthrow bro vouch, which is preposterous. But
Speaker 2: what is it that you actually agree with? What must
Speaker 2: be proven? I was very specific the first time, so
Speaker 2: after I proved that he was not sign the truth.
Speaker 2: Then he had this DM meltdown at me, right, So
Speaker 2: that was three times, three separate times, specifically offering him
Speaker 2: specific topics, and he's not telling you the truth. He's lying.
Speaker 2: He's saying, you never told me a specific topic. And
Speaker 2: by the way, you're a complete piece of human garbage.
Speaker 2: Like it's weird. Like that's like just the attitude and
Speaker 2: the reactions of these people is so bizarre to me,
Speaker 2: Like that I just don't understand, because it's the same
Speaker 2: with Calvin Robinson, same with him and some other guy
Speaker 2: that was up here. It's like, all I do is
Speaker 2: send a simple message saying, would you like to have
Speaker 2: a formal debate. We can do it moderated or conversational,
Speaker 2: and then you get meltdowns as wild Greg Bobby c
Speaker 2: five dollars by her logic, New Year's Eve is a
Speaker 2: celebration of the pagan worship of Janice. Exactly what's up, Greg,
Speaker 2: and what's going on?
Speaker 9: Jay?
Speaker 33: So I have a question that I'd like to get
Speaker 33: your perspective on and see if you're able to reconcile.
Speaker 33: So in Matthew twenty four, verse thirty, it says that
Speaker 33: the coming of the Son of Man would occur, and
Speaker 33: that his audience would see.
Speaker 4: The coming of the Son of Man.
Speaker 33: In Verse thirty four states all those things will take
Speaker 33: place before the passing of that generation.
Speaker 2: Let's called preterism. I've argued for it, done many videos
Speaker 2: on it. So that's seventy eight. He came in judgment,
Speaker 2: just like Ezekiel and Isaiah says that God coming in
Speaker 2: judgment on the clouds against Egypt or against God Israel's
Speaker 2: enemies is a coming, sure, and.
Speaker 4: I don't have any problem with that.
Speaker 33: My challenge, however, to you, is how do you, or
Speaker 33: even anyone else, for that matter, postulates a yet future.
Speaker 4: Coming of the Lord?
Speaker 33: If that coming to the Lord that Jesus mentioned in
Speaker 33: Matthew twenty four was fulfilled in eighty.
Speaker 2: Seventy did you not call in recently about this very
Speaker 2: same subject matter? Do we not already have this conversation.
Speaker 33: I don't know what recent is, because I haven't talked
Speaker 33: to you about this.
Speaker 4: I tried to.
Speaker 2: Ask, you don't know what recent is?
Speaker 33: I mean, well, I mean because if you mean recent,
Speaker 33: maybe six months ago.
Speaker 4: I tried to call in.
Speaker 33: And we didn't have a lengthy conversation. He just booted
Speaker 33: me out, but with recent as like a last month, no,
Speaker 33: or two months?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, there was a guy who asked the exact
Speaker 2: same question maybe two weeks ago, so I thought maybe
Speaker 2: that was you. But yeah, I believe in a double fulfillment.
Speaker 2: Just like in the Maccabees, you have a double fulfillment
Speaker 2: for the profanation of the temple under the Maccabees that
Speaker 2: Jesus says the desolation is seventy eight? So is that two?
Speaker 2: Is that two things.
Speaker 9: Of the Maccabean revolved.
Speaker 2: The profi nation of the temple under the Maccabees, that's
Speaker 2: called the abomination? So is that too? Is that too? Okay?
Speaker 2: So it's possible for these to be mirrored.
Speaker 33: Uh, you know, I believe that there's a possibility of
Speaker 33: dual fulfillment.
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a dual fulfillment of the removal of
Speaker 2: the tabernacle of the entire universe because the time was
Speaker 2: a symbol of the tabernacle of the universe according to
Speaker 2: Hebrews seven. That hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 33: Now so now here, here's here's my contention, Because if
Speaker 33: we're gonna say that dual fulfillment is possible, right.
Speaker 2: You just admitted it was no, no, and I agree.
Speaker 4: I agree, But why not?
Speaker 33: Why can someone not say tri fulfillment or quad fulfillment.
Speaker 2: Because the eschatological removal of the universe a lah Hebrews
Speaker 2: and what the temple signified would would by definition be
Speaker 2: the eschatological final one. There wouldn't be a third one.
Speaker 9: Okay.
Speaker 4: So and this is where we have agreement, is that
Speaker 4: there's only two. Now here's my problem.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're you just asserted that the thing that
Speaker 2: is not clear. You said there's only two, meaning that
Speaker 2: you think it's just seventy eight D. I just got
Speaker 2: you to admit that it's possible. Where was the removal
Speaker 2: of the universe and it's tabernacle?
Speaker 4: Are you talking about it in eighty seventy?
Speaker 2: That was the removal? That was the removal of the temple.
Speaker 2: Where was the removal of Where was the removal of
Speaker 2: what the temple symbolized.
Speaker 4: So that that was them?
Speaker 2: Where what does the temple symbolize Heaven and Earth? Where
Speaker 2: was the removal of heaven and earth?
Speaker 4: But that's what you're not understanding.
Speaker 2: Now I do understand. I know what full Preterism says,
Speaker 2: and I'm getting you to point out to understand that
Speaker 2: the removal of the temple is signifying, according to Hebrews,
Speaker 2: the removal of the literal physical cosmos, the heavens and
Speaker 2: the earth.
Speaker 33: But that that's presupposing that it's referring to the literal
Speaker 33: heaven and earth.
Speaker 9: My gosh.
Speaker 2: So if the temple, if the temple is a symbol
Speaker 2: of the heavens and the earth, and the temples destroyed,
Speaker 2: that's a prophetic prediction of the destruction of the thing
Speaker 2: that it signifies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was removed under the Babylon. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Just what was removed?
Speaker 4: The temple by neb was already destroyed.
Speaker 2: The temple in Jesus's day, the one that he calls
Speaker 2: the the abomination of desolation, the one that Hebrews is
Speaker 2: referring to. Hebrews is not referring to Nebicaneseer's temple. Hebrews
Speaker 2: is not referring to Nebucaneser era temple. Why are you
Speaker 2: getting madgic and now you're changing the subject to make
Speaker 2: it personal. Is Hebrews referring to Nebucaneseer's simple Is Hebrews
Speaker 2: referring to nobicaneseer, simple, where is Hebrews referring to Nebucaneser's temple.
Speaker 4: Is referring to the temple in eight?
Speaker 2: Correct? And that signified what you already admitted, the heavens
Speaker 2: and the earth?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 2: Yes, right? So when was the destruction of the heavens
Speaker 2: and the earth the thing the temple stands for?
Speaker 9: All?
Speaker 2: Right, exactly? This is why I booted you, because this
Speaker 2: is so stupid. Oh my gosh, there's the genius of
Speaker 2: full preterism, folks, the guys who believe that the Bali
Speaker 2: resurrection already happened. There you go. You see that the
Speaker 2: thing that it signifies was fulfilled when it was destroyed.
Speaker 2: Imagine being this stupid wid seth.
Speaker 9: Hey, how's it going.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 9: Hi?
Speaker 31: I'm a Protestant and I like to be pannon.
Speaker 2: Okay, have time?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 26: Yeah, So I read that book you recommended, The Formation
Speaker 26: of Cannon.
Speaker 9: By by Lee.
Speaker 26: Martin McDonald's and yeah, I was surprised about you know
Speaker 26: how liberal he was actually, and and yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, well F F. Bruce is a conservative and he
Speaker 2: says a lot of the same stuff, so does yours.
Speaker 2: Love of Pelican.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 2: Have you well, have you read those books?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You read all those books.
Speaker 9: Yes, I read Bruce's book. I read Martin McDonald's book.
Speaker 9: I read Krueger's.
Speaker 4: Book on the canon and Pelican.
Speaker 31: Not Pelicanya No, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 26: Anyways, I just don't think that they put all the
Speaker 26: pieces together and so they give a good data.
Speaker 2: Well all they all I'm getting right, But all I'm
Speaker 2: getting from them is that they admit this crucial role
Speaker 2: of tradition, and that pretty much ends Protestant them.
Speaker 4: I don't think so necessarily.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, good, so tell me why, yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, sure.
Speaker 31: Uh well, so solo scripture isn't against tradition.
Speaker 2: It's just that I know what you think.
Speaker 16: I know.
Speaker 26: Yeah, well you asked me to tell you some somehow
Speaker 26: to tell you. But uh so, solo scriptura isn't against tradition.
Speaker 26: It's just saying, scriptures our highest authority. So tradition is
Speaker 26: an authority, it's just not a infallible authority.
Speaker 2: Do the do the apostles consider their verbal preaching the
Speaker 2: word of God?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay? Is that binding?
Speaker 9: Yes? It's binding?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay.
Speaker 26: We don't have any oral teaching from them. It's not
Speaker 26: containing scripture. How do you know that, Uh, there's no evidence.
Speaker 2: Well no, you're saying that, but I mean the Orthodox Church,
Speaker 2: the Roman Catholic Church, believes that there is evidence of that.
Speaker 2: So how do you prove that there is no evidence
Speaker 2: of that?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 26: Because well it's more so lack of evidence. That's the
Speaker 26: reason why. Okay, well he doesn't understand why that the
Speaker 26: Roman Catholic Church in Eastern Orthoxy claim that they do
Speaker 26: have tradition outside of scripture.
Speaker 31: But but just their belief doesn't prove that.
Speaker 2: I didn't say that the belief and it did. I'm
Speaker 2: saying that we believe that there is that, and I
Speaker 2: want to know how you know that that doesn't exist.
Speaker 26: Yeah, well I'm well, first of all, I'm saying it's
Speaker 26: possible it exists, but we just don't have any evidence
Speaker 26: of it.
Speaker 2: How do you know that there's no evidence when I
Speaker 2: can give you the tradition of liturgical historians who talk
Speaker 2: about the Apostolic liturgies that are not found in the scriptures.
Speaker 26: Yeah, those liturgies exist, but we can't prove that they
Speaker 26: go back to the Apostles in the exact same way
Speaker 26: with all the hotels.
Speaker 2: Can we prove that Matthew wrote Matthew's Gospel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can have high confidence in that.
Speaker 2: But no, no, how do you prove that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's through the church fathers.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's tradition. That's an Apostolic.
Speaker 4: Tradition, and tradition does not contradiction.
Speaker 2: You just said that there's not Apostolic traditions, and now
Speaker 2: you're admitting that there is one that Matthew wrote Matthew.
Speaker 26: No, I'm saying there's no Apostolic tradition outside of the
Speaker 26: teaching of scripture.
Speaker 2: What about the authorship of Matthew.
Speaker 26: Yes, yes, the authorship of Matthew is outside of scripture,
Speaker 26: thank you.
Speaker 31: Not infallible, but it's not an infallible teaching.
Speaker 2: Well, you're you can assert that, but it refutes your
Speaker 2: previous claim that there's not Apostolic tradition outside of the Gospels.
Speaker 2: And I gave you the example of Matthew's authorship, which
Speaker 2: now you're saying it is, so you contradicted yourself.
Speaker 26: No, I'm saying there is, you know, an Apostolic tradition
Speaker 26: outside of scripture.
Speaker 2: You said that there's no evidence for that, there's no
Speaker 2: proof for that. You just contradicted yourself by saying that
Speaker 2: the authorship of Matthew is an Apostolic tradition. No, no,
Speaker 2: I said, yes you did.
Speaker 31: Oh no, I said that there is tradition outside of Scripture.
Speaker 2: Like Matthew's authorship.
Speaker 31: Yes, but that's not an infallible tradition.
Speaker 2: Now you've moved the goalpost because you're inserting the word
Speaker 2: infallible that was never part of it. Is it an
Speaker 2: Apostolic tradition outside of scripture? Is it an apostolture?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 2: Stop trying to change the subject when you just contradict yourself. Man,
Speaker 2: is it or not?
Speaker 24: Is it or not?
Speaker 2: No, don't hold on.
Speaker 5: Is it or not?
Speaker 2: It's a simple question. Either it's apisoltic tradition or it's not.
Speaker 2: I don't care about infallible. Yeah you said it, Okay,
Speaker 2: you could call that. Two minutes ago you said there's
Speaker 2: no evidence for extra normanta or extra biblical Apostolic tradition.
Speaker 2: So you just contradicted yourself.
Speaker 4: Well, maybe I should have made myself more clear, or.
Speaker 2: Maybe you just shouldn't have contradicted.
Speaker 26: Well, no, I don't think I contradicted because I I didn't.
Speaker 2: No, you didn't qualify it to where you can get
Speaker 2: out of the contradiction. You said that there are no
Speaker 2: apostolic traditions that we have any evidence for or proof for.
Speaker 2: You literally just contradicted yourself with the authorship of Matthew
Speaker 2: two minutes later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't get a chance to qualify myself, and.
Speaker 2: So maybe so because it's a country, you can't qualify
Speaker 2: yourself out of a contradiction.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think it's a contradiction.
Speaker 2: I know you don't think that, but everybody heard you contradict.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think it's a contradiction.
Speaker 2: How is it not a contradiction when it's literally the
Speaker 2: reverse of the previous statement? Because I think myself, how
Speaker 2: is qualifying it going to get you out of a
Speaker 2: proposition and its negation? The entire chat, the entire chat
Speaker 2: believes that you contradicted yourself. So how do you get
Speaker 2: out of it?
Speaker 26: And I'll explain a few of me. Okay, So my
Speaker 26: argument is, yes, there is addition outside.
Speaker 2: Yes, did you claim that there is no evidence? You
Speaker 2: said there's no evidence of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I said there's no evidence of infallible.
Speaker 2: Bind No, no, now you're changing infallible. The question was Apostolic tradition, Okay,
Speaker 2: whether you think it's infallible or whether you think it's infallible.
Speaker 2: I said, do you think that the Apostles believed that
Speaker 2: their oral traditions were the word of God? And you
Speaker 2: said yes. I said, are they binding? You said they
Speaker 2: would be, But we don't have any of that. There's
Speaker 2: no evidence of that. Two minutes later, you said that
Speaker 2: there is apostolic tradition of the Fathers that Matthew wrote, Matthew,
Speaker 2: that's a contradiction because now you're saying there is evidence
Speaker 2: of Apostolic tradition outside of the scriptures. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: You can deflect into whether it's infallible or fallible. That
Speaker 2: has nothing to do with the proposition. There is no evidence,
Speaker 2: there is evidence. That is a contradiction, and I'm not
Speaker 2: going to listen to you lie about what you said. Henry.
Speaker 4: Hey, j how's it going, man, what's on your mind? Hey?
Speaker 18: So, I'm glad I'm finally able to talk to you, buddy.
Speaker 18: So earlier you were talking about the history of Pentecostalism,
Speaker 18: and I actually have kind.
Speaker 4: Of dug into this a little bit. Excuse me, And.
Speaker 18: I really hope that there's some people who believe in
Speaker 18: the tongue speaking stuff that's still listening because their own
Speaker 18: writers admit that at first the tongue speaking stuff was
Speaker 18: legitimate languages. So you know, you were talking earlier about
Speaker 18: Charles parm Right, So he this dud's wild man. So
Speaker 18: first of all, he leaves Bible College because he thought
Speaker 18: that you know, edimication would separate him from the hoest spirit.
Speaker 18: And so then he opens up a Bible College down
Speaker 18: in Kansas in like eighteen or late eighteen nineties, and
Speaker 18: he specifically teaches that he can evoke the Holy Spirit
Speaker 18: to have a second Pentecost Wow where his people can
Speaker 18: learn legitimate languages. Okay, so a bunch of people join
Speaker 18: and he goes through this whole rigamarole. He sends these
Speaker 18: people out like he thinks they've taught him and all
Speaker 18: this stuff, and I'll give you a reference for this
Speaker 18: here in a minute. And so they all go out,
Speaker 18: and obviously we all know what happens. None of these
Speaker 18: people learn, you know, can speak to the you know,
Speaker 18: Chinese and you know, Vietnamese and wherever they're going. So
Speaker 18: then it's after the fact that he says, oh, well,
Speaker 18: you know, actually it's you know, gobbledegook angel language.
Speaker 4: And there's actually a really good.
Speaker 18: Book on this by a Pentecostal pastor who freely admits
Speaker 18: all this stuff. It's it's Larry Martin, and it's the
Speaker 18: Topeka the Topeka Outpouring, and he freely admits this stuff.
Speaker 18: And then the funny thing is is that he gets
Speaker 18: his Bible College closes and then after the fact, you
Speaker 18: know who comes calling is William J. Seymour and Parham
Speaker 18: actually ordains quote well, I mean quote unquote ordains William
Speaker 18: Seymour and then he goes off.
Speaker 4: And then the Zusus Street Revival happens.
Speaker 18: So this whole thing about you know, I'm a speaking
Speaker 18: an angel language, you know, it's all nonsense. They didn't
Speaker 18: even believe that. And the book that I mentioned actually
Speaker 18: has the Bethel Bible College, that's the name of the college.
Speaker 18: It has their stuff in it where they're specifically talking
Speaker 18: about evoking the Holy Spirit to learn a language, just
Speaker 18: as the Apostles did at Pentecost. It was never an
Speaker 18: angel language or anything like that. And and even their
Speaker 18: own people admit this, But I mean, like, you know,
Speaker 18: these people don't even know their own history you know.
Speaker 18: And I dug into this because I have family that
Speaker 18: are Pentecostals, right and you know, dude, it's called I mean,
Speaker 18: it really is, you know, because you bring this stuff
Speaker 18: up and they get all pissed off at you and they're, oh, well,
Speaker 18: you know, how do you know that's true?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, bro, these are your people right now.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. That's very helpful. I had no
Speaker 2: idea about any of that.
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's wild, man, it's but uh yeah, it's Larry
Speaker 18: Martin the Topeka Outpouring of.
Speaker 4: Nineteen oh one.
Speaker 18: It's it's I mean, it's it's a it's a quick read,
Speaker 18: but I mean it's got firsthand witness accounts. It's got
Speaker 18: their own writings from Bethel Bible College, it's got Charles
Speaker 18: Parham's writings, and it like it's I mean, and they.
Speaker 4: Freely admit all this stuff. So I just wanted to
Speaker 4: bring it up.
Speaker 18: I know you talked about it earlier, man, and you know,
Speaker 18: I know it was a debate, but you know, I appreciate.
Speaker 2: No, it's a you can you can call in and
Speaker 2: contribute information like that. I appreciate that, Henry. That was
Speaker 2: a really good point. I mean, I did not know
Speaker 2: a lot of that history of that of that group.
Speaker 2: Now again, when people call in and it's informal open
Speaker 2: chat and you contradict, I will boot you because I
Speaker 2: see that as a as a dishonest form of debate
Speaker 2: and engagement. And the guy literally said that there is
Speaker 2: no evidence for extra biblical Patristic tradition. Doesn't matter whether
Speaker 2: you think it's binding or not right, there's no evidence.
Speaker 2: Two minutes later, he says, Matthew wrote Matthew's Gospel. We
Speaker 2: know that from Patristic tradition and testimony. That's a contradiction. Guys,
Speaker 2: those are two contradictory claims by his own admission. And
Speaker 2: if he had said, okay, you're right, fair point, I
Speaker 2: did contradict there. You know, if you keep doubling down
Speaker 2: and not answering the questions, then that's when I boot
Speaker 2: and move on. It's that simple. And to the full
Speaker 2: preterist guy, it took me three times asking him the
Speaker 2: question about is Hebrews talking about Nebucannezer's temple? Obviously not, Okay,
Speaker 2: then what is it pointing to? He admitted, it's pointing
Speaker 2: to the destruction of the heavens and the Earth. Then
Speaker 2: its destruction is a foreshadowing of the destruction of the
Speaker 2: heavens in the earth. Yeah, but it already happened. When
Speaker 2: did that happen? When the temple was destroyed? Uh, heavens
Speaker 2: and Earth are not destroyed. There's no conflagration yet. What's
Speaker 2: up man?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 34: I know you have like five thousand videos on TAG
Speaker 34: and I don't know if I watch all of them,
Speaker 34: but I watched. I watch pretty much every single one
Speaker 34: I can find. I just have a few questions about it.
Speaker 2: It's not TAG Day, so it's specifically it's okay, specifically
Speaker 2: listed as the topics, and it's evangelicalism, charismaticism, Calvinism, Catholicism.
Speaker 2: It's not TAG Day. But maybe next time, Saint Strengths.
Speaker 2: What's up man?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 9: Yeah, well's up?
Speaker 4: Jay?
Speaker 35: I appreciate bringing me up here. My happy Eastern to you.
Speaker 35: And I recently discovered your channel and I really enjoy
Speaker 35: your content. And I had a question. Uh, I'm from Iran,
Speaker 35: I'm Persian and I was atheists, and I had I
Speaker 35: don't want to make it long my story my testimony,
Speaker 35: so I pretty much had a very spiritual encounter with
Speaker 35: Jesus I have visions of him, and I pretty much
Speaker 35: got driven into the Christianity, Christian lifestyle, and Jesus really
Speaker 35: did change my life.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing I'm really interested in.
Speaker 35: In the Eastern Orthodox Church, but in Iran you cannot
Speaker 35: convert to Christianity because.
Speaker 9: There's a death penalty for it. There's literally a death penalty.
Speaker 35: Like if I if I announce that I'm Christian, I
Speaker 35: would be dead. They would probably prison me, they'll probably
Speaker 35: rasse my family.
Speaker 9: They would do all of that.
Speaker 4: So I I.
Speaker 35: Know in the Eastern Orthodox Church you have to be
Speaker 35: baptized to enter the Kingdom of heavens.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I don't. I mean if you so, if
Speaker 2: you are not able to get to baptism, it's not
Speaker 2: your fault. We're not. I mean, there is baptism of
Speaker 2: desire and the church is always held to that. So no,
Speaker 2: you would not be liable for something that was not
Speaker 2: under your control. Now, if you're able to move and
Speaker 2: leave the country, maybe that's the way out of it,
Speaker 2: or you know, maybe even a secret baptism could be
Speaker 2: a range or something like that. But no, if if
Speaker 2: it's under no fault of your own, you're not it's
Speaker 2: just like in the church, a cate human who's murdered. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, we still consider them part of the church.
Speaker 2: So no, you're doing good man. That's that's good to
Speaker 2: hear and uh, you know that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Actually, uh, let's see.
Speaker 2: Saw Heil. Oh, here we go. I'm you.
Speaker 4: Oh what's up, Jock?
Speaker 21: Hey, So I know you probably heard like the cleave
Speaker 21: to antiquity guy. Yeah, he said, like he was posting
Speaker 21: on his YouTube page about like if canons can change,
Speaker 21: like but being reinterpreted by a priest or bishop based
Speaker 21: on the area.
Speaker 2: That's the same guy. So it's the same guy that
Speaker 2: he'ps making the one follower. Okay, it's like it's like
Speaker 2: he so from now on, I'm just gonna check and
Speaker 2: if you have one follower, I'm not gonna go to you.
Speaker 2: So that's the new rule here flow zoos fifty dollars.
Speaker 2: She wanted it to be true without logic or facts
Speaker 2: that could penetrate what she was thinking. Thank you for
Speaker 2: trying to keep doing what you're doing. You're a warrior.
Speaker 2: It's scary how illogical that person was. Christ has risen.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I mean people have a hard time I
Speaker 2: guess thinking about flowing. Mute man, what's up about language?
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 9: And real quick, you're you can take a couple of
Speaker 9: hot takes.
Speaker 2: You're right, okay about what's I mean?
Speaker 4: Are you? Are you familiar with Christian identity?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man, So so that's the faith I believe in.
Speaker 9: I'm a firm believer in Christian identity.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're laughing, So you're not serious. I don't know,
Speaker 2: like to shoot o, what's up? What yep?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 9: So me and my wife just got baptized yesterday and Holy.
Speaker 2: Saturday many years, many years.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 26: That Scott guy is definitely uh, just a phony.
Speaker 4: It's just a weirdo.
Speaker 9: And he's so run because our.
Speaker 13: Church just broke the record for the amount of baptisms
Speaker 13: and transmations.
Speaker 4: How many this is like twenty.
Speaker 2: Okay, and where's this or you don't never mind, you
Speaker 2: don't have to say where.
Speaker 26: Yeah, and then so this is happening across the whole nation.
Speaker 2: I know, So I got I mean, I talk to
Speaker 2: people every day.
Speaker 26: Like, yeah, this is global, Like this is not a game.
Speaker 9: This is is just awesome.
Speaker 16: But yeah, I just want to tell you that you've been.
Speaker 4: A big part of our conversion.
Speaker 13: And we're having a baby boy coming up pretty soon
Speaker 13: and we're naming him, uh after Basil m awesome.
Speaker 2: That's a good name, man, many years to you. Man,
Speaker 2: appreciate that. That's good to hear. Nachene. Oh, we had
Speaker 2: a lot of farah wild people today. My patience has
Speaker 2: been tested. But I'm trying. What's up? Man?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 24: What up?
Speaker 21: Jay?
Speaker 9: Can you hear me? All right? So you used to
Speaker 9: be Protestant? Right yeah?
Speaker 4: And how did you go?
Speaker 9: Like so you pray to Mary?
Speaker 4: Right now?
Speaker 2: We asked for Mary's intercession?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, how did you come?
Speaker 27: Because how did you get to feeling okay about that?
Speaker 27: Because I'm looking I'm looking into Orthodoxy because I believe
Speaker 27: in the tradition like they have the historical Church.
Speaker 9: From what I believe. Right.
Speaker 2: Well there, I've got a video on it and that
Speaker 2: would probably be what I recommend because it took me.
Speaker 2: It did take me a little while to get used
Speaker 2: to it. It's called what is the Basis for the
Speaker 2: Veneration of Saint Mary? And this was a reply to
Speaker 2: Isabella de Luca who was posting stuff against you know,
Speaker 2: Marion whatnot. By the way, anybody with like one follower,
Speaker 2: you might you're wasting your time. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: go to you if you're coming up with uh one follower.
Speaker 2: So check out that video right there. What's up man? Yep,
Speaker 2: what's on your mind? A. J.
Speaker 4: Christ is risen?
Speaker 2: Truly he has risen?
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, I just wanted to come in on what
Speaker 8: Scott was saying. I mean, there's tons of people who
Speaker 8: have been edified by the lectures that you give, so
Speaker 8: I mean, it's just flat out wrong.
Speaker 4: I was one of them, so I appreciate.
Speaker 2: That you were what one of them?
Speaker 18: I was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was one of them. Okay, cool, that's great.
Speaker 8: I just if I if I may ask a question,
Speaker 8: can ask a question about.
Speaker 9: Like politics? Is that all right?
Speaker 2: You can't, it's not really the topic today, but so,
Speaker 2: you know, I just want people to know that, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, just on can't even find the They didn't
Speaker 2: put my name in it, which is kind of shitty.
Speaker 2: But if you look up Fresh and Fit is lom
Speaker 2: debate just on YouTube, it has a million views. Now
Speaker 2: to love your neighbors, So let's take into account what
Speaker 2: that guy said. No one cares, nobody listens to debates.
Speaker 2: Just on YouTube. This has over a million views and
Speaker 2: if you read the comments, you can see thirty seven
Speaker 2: thousand comments and ninety eight percent of them are against Islam. Now,
Speaker 2: in the last few years, that's I think the biggest
Speaker 2: of the Muslim Christian debates. Now that's just here. There
Speaker 2: was also nine hundred thousand on X of the same debate.
Speaker 2: There's three hundred thousand ish or so on Rumble. The
Speaker 2: clips alone are about another million views on this debate
Speaker 2: with the Muslims on all the clips channels, So we
Speaker 2: could extrapolate that anywhere from three to four million people
Speaker 2: saw some of this debate, with at least almost forty
Speaker 2: thousand people commenting that Islam was refuted. Now, I'm not
Speaker 2: bragging because I didn't lead this debate. Shremoon was taking
Speaker 2: the lead in this debate. I did contribute some good points,
Speaker 2: but I helped set up this debate, So this wouldn't
Speaker 2: have happened if I had not set it up with Myron.
Speaker 2: And the idea that like this type of a thing
Speaker 2: doesn't affect people is insane.
Speaker 4: It's insane.
Speaker 8: Well, and to that point, I mean, it can be Islam,
Speaker 8: it can be agnosticism. I mean I was agnostic, and
Speaker 8: I had a really bad interpretation of Christianity from you know,
Speaker 8: the hypocrisy of Protestantism in Roman Catholics. I had no
Speaker 8: idea Orthodox even existed. So it's like, if it wasn't
Speaker 8: for the discourse being had, right, I mean, I wouldn't
Speaker 8: have even known. And I'm sure a lot of other
Speaker 8: people feel that way.
Speaker 9: As well.
Speaker 8: The thing I guess that I had to ask related
Speaker 8: it relates to religion too.
Speaker 4: It's about online being.
Speaker 8: Kind of essential at this point in modernity for people
Speaker 8: to come to the church in a lot of respects,
Speaker 8: and maybe not the only way, but I think if
Speaker 8: you look.
Speaker 9: At a lot of the young men.
Speaker 8: Attending the Orthodox Church, now, I mean I'm a cadaculum
Speaker 8: on one of them as well, but I see a
Speaker 8: lot of other young men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean online, I've been people. You go look
Speaker 2: at my Instagram. I've been in pictures coast to coast,
Speaker 2: like multiple times with a lot of people. Not thousands
Speaker 2: of people, but I'm saying extrapolating out I can tell
Speaker 2: you that it is probably in the thousands at least,
Speaker 2: because look, let's just look right here, and this is
Speaker 2: just on the muzzle like fourteen thousand people like the
Speaker 2: comment the internet was the worst thing that could have
Speaker 2: happened to Islam, right, there.
Speaker 8: A lot of engagement, So, I mean, it's definitely true.
Speaker 8: I mean I was having a conversation in Jimbob's discord
Speaker 8: about how, you know, a lot of people don't really
Speaker 8: realize that the online debates base a lot of this
Speaker 8: stuff getting sorted out is if it didn't exist and
Speaker 8: people weren't fighting on the front lines of the Internet.
Speaker 8: I mean, imagine how many people wouldn't have come to
Speaker 8: the church.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Yeah, Well thanks man, I appreciate that. Good comments,
Speaker 2: and again like, yes, I did. I understand that God's
Speaker 2: providence is a key thing here. Obviously, Divine grace is
Speaker 2: a key thing here. And it's not just me, it's
Speaker 2: many people now together and what we you know, the
Speaker 2: funny thing was that what we said we would do
Speaker 2: in the beginning of the discord was we wanted to
Speaker 2: train a bunch of guys that were able to to
Speaker 2: do the types of things that we do over here.
Speaker 2: And that's what we did. And so we got Orthodox
Speaker 2: Shahada out of that, We got David Rhan's channel out
Speaker 2: of that, right, FDA has his channel and his conference
Speaker 2: out of that, okay, and these things are happening all
Speaker 2: the time. Right, all of this just came out of
Speaker 2: that twelve thousand member discord, and these all of these
Speaker 2: these large Islamic debates also came out of that miliu. Right.
Speaker 2: It was basically Lewis and Kai were the pioneers of
Speaker 2: all this. I didn't even think about Islam. Islam was
Speaker 2: not on my radar. Lewis and Kai were telling me
Speaker 2: years ago, you might as well get ready and prepared
Speaker 2: to debate Islam. And I'm like, why is that? Because
Speaker 2: it's everywhere in the UK and it's coming to a
Speaker 2: theater near you. And that was absolutely right. They were
Speaker 2: telling me that in twenty seventeen. So we started preparing
Speaker 2: for that, the invasion of Islam into the West. And
Speaker 2: here we are twenty twenty five, and that's exactly where
Speaker 2: we are. Now. Come over here to my channel and
Speaker 2: these aren't even that big, but we did. Jake the
Speaker 2: muscle metaphysician, that's hundreds of thousands of views between different channels,
Speaker 2: Me and Daniel Hoikikachu. That's hundreds of thousands of views
Speaker 2: between different channels. Me versus shaik asra Rashid. To my knowledge,
Speaker 2: it's only on one channel, so that was one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand views. But he is a shake so he was
Speaker 2: pretty prominent. Doctor Shabiro Lee debate one hundred and twenty
Speaker 2: thousand views, and that's just my channel. It was also
Speaker 2: on other channels as well. And then I don't see
Speaker 2: the Paul Williams debate, but that one has I don't know,
Speaker 2: around eighty thousands something like that. So again you think
Speaker 2: all that, so what who cares? Well, that's not even
Speaker 2: counting all of the clips views, the clips channels, the archive.
Speaker 2: I'm forgetting all the different clip channels. Many of those
Speaker 2: clips channels have gotten hundreds of thousands of views, particularly
Speaker 2: the Muslim lantern debate, So everybody forget like the Muslim
Speaker 2: lantern sneak O debate. That one got between Rumble YouTube
Speaker 2: and the clips channels probably anywhere from seven hundred eight
Speaker 2: hundred thousand views. So again this is hundreds of thousands
Speaker 2: of people seeing Islamic debates and seeing Muslims not do
Speaker 2: very well, you see, and that has an effect? Is
Speaker 2: that going to save Western civilization? Now? I never claimed that,
Speaker 2: and I didn't claim that four million people converted. I
Speaker 2: said four million people Ish watched the debate. I have
Speaker 2: no idea how many people converted out of Islam, because
Speaker 2: a lot of country, like you heard that Persian guy
Speaker 2: calling in, a lot of people in Islamic countries see
Speaker 2: these videos and they started out Islam, but they don't.
Speaker 2: There's nothing they can do because their country won't let
Speaker 2: them convert, as that guy was pointing out, So they
Speaker 2: just kind of have to be secret, you know, baptism
Speaker 2: of desire people, which if that's all they can do,
Speaker 2: that's the best they can do. I don't think God's
Speaker 2: going to hold you liable for things that were not
Speaker 2: your fault. And by the way, as far as I
Speaker 2: could tell, I think they actually pulled the Muslim lantern
Speaker 2: debate from Rumble because that's Sneako's main platform, and unless
Speaker 2: I just couldn't find it, or they've titled it something different,
Speaker 2: I was not able to see it. I couldn't see
Speaker 2: it there. In other words, if you remember, after that debate,
Speaker 2: the Muslims themselves shared a poll as to who won,
Speaker 2: and the poll was seventy percent me, thirty percent Muslim Lantern,
Speaker 2: which they didn't like that very much, so unless it's
Speaker 2: just not there anymore. Oh, maybe this is it because
Speaker 2: it was supposed to be Andrew, so it might be
Speaker 2: this one. But it's not my name because Andrew popped
Speaker 2: out and I popped in. Let's see if this is it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is it? So it is. It is still there
Speaker 2: with three hundred and fifty thousand views according to Rumble numbers.
Speaker 2: But who knows if Rumble numbers are accurate. So it
Speaker 2: is still there. It's just not my name. They just
Speaker 2: left it as Andrew. But yeah, there you go. So
Speaker 2: that's why I couldn't find it, because it's not my name.
Speaker 2: But I don't think they're going to do me any favors.
Speaker 2: So anyway, all right, let's see you next. All right,
Speaker 2: so we got some Protestants popping up. I'm down to
Speaker 2: do it. Let's do it. I do have to go
Speaker 2: to the little girls room. I gotta go tt So
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