Speaker 1: Their shouts of joy could be heard throughout the neighborhood.
As the prayer meeting overflowed to the front porch, many
curious neighbors gathered, and soon others begin speaking in tongues
and praising God. The word spread rapidly by the next morning.
Speaker 2: So again, none of this is speaking in tongues. It's
just an assumption that gloss a lalia is glossa. It's not.
One is gibberish, and one is known dialect, and in
the New Testament it's known dialect a language. Like when
it says that every tribe, tongue, and nation will confess
Christ tongue language, it's literally like the lowest tier, just
uneducated mistake that tongues is gibberish and not aknown language.
And an argument from silence doesn't prove anything. Well, but
it doesn't say that there wasn't mister, yeah. This passage
also doesn't say that God didn't appoint a bunch of
special nome bishops either, So it's possible. I mean, could
God create nomes? Yeah? Does this pass just say that
there weren't no bishops and X two? No, Well, then
it's possible. So how do we know I mean, do
you understand how dumb that like? Arguments from silence are
so stupid? Man, Like, why would you think that there's
non bishops? Well that's a sorry bro. Well yeah, but
a transmission of an unknown language that no one knows
to no one is also as dumb. No, Like, dude,
I will believe in Nome Hyperborea before I believe that stuff.
Speaker 1: Right, The crowd had grown so great that it was
difficult to approach the house. The port became a poolpit
as William Seymour began to preach to the crowd. This
continued for three days and nights. It has been said
that during this three day street service, the house shook
under the exuberant praising of.
Speaker 3: A hungry people.
Speaker 1: Even on one occasion, the ports collapsed at the weight
of all the people. Services continued, all.
Speaker 4: There we go.
Speaker 2: It's the signs from God, right, the ports collapsed, people
were yapping and flopping and flipping and flapping. That's got
to be even though Paul says God is not the
other confusion, it's got to be of God, right. I mean,
it's just like people put it this way. If you
choose not to be educated and not to think rationally
and critically. According to the laws of critical thinking, You're
gonna be necessarily led by your emotions. And if you're
controlled and run by your emotions, you're gonna be stupid.
You're gonna make dumb decisions because the heart is deceitful
above all else, as Jeremiah says, and you won't have discernment.
You will follow your heart.
Speaker 5: God's telling me that she's who I'm supposed to be with,
even though I've been messaging her for fifty days straight
and she won't answer none of my text messages. She's
ghost to me, but God told me she was my woe. God,
but I filtered.
Speaker 4: She was the one. How come she's ghost to me?
Speaker 6: Please text back?
Speaker 5: Please text back?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: You see how silly that says? Well, I felt it.
So you want to be run by your emotions and
your feelings, You're gonna be an idiot. I'm just using
an example of like evangelical goofballs with no game, they
gonna learn the hard way. You're gonna get tuck Son.
Speaker 1: You'd almost stay and night with healings reported and hundreds
of people filled with this spirit.
Speaker 2: How do we know that there was actual healings? At
this damn shack that collapsed because a bunch of people's
hooting and hollering. Who believes that? By the way, if
you're a Roman Catholic, Oh wait a minute, I thought, Oh,
hold on, miracles prove stuff. Oh I guess the Pentecostal
is Zusa Street revival proves Pentecostals because they claim to
have miracles. I'm there, we go. I mean maybe that
is why Roman Catholics accept the charismatic movement, because they
claim there. I mean, they believe anything else claim miracles. Hey,
let me just start claiming miracles. There's orbs, dust orbs.
Let's see if it gets the dust orbs. See if
we get a oh, we got the Look it's a
bat miracle. Look at that bat flying around. It's a miracle.
Speaker 4: Per day.
Speaker 1: It was determined that a new location was needed to
house the growing crowd of seekers. William Seymour and his
followers soon found a vacated two story church building. Previous
used to stable horses, it had been converted into apartment houses.
Upstairs was a large, unfinished barn like room.
Speaker 4: On the downstairs, it's.
Speaker 2: Address or this this emo music that's supposed to like
move me like even the music's all emo, like it's
a movie, Like is this supposed to move me?
Speaker 1: Was three hundred and twelve.
Speaker 2: A Zuzus Street? Now? The first thing I want to
know is, wait a minute, were they even trinitarian? Because, like, guys,
if you're a Pentecostal, a giant chunk of y'all are
anti trinitarian, as you just heard that guy calling in,
who was in a nice way surprised by the passages
that talk about distinctions in the persons. Right, So let's
see we're I'm just curious her because I don't actually
know we're the Azusa Street Preachers people trinitarian? Okay, so
they weren't modalists yet, it would be Actually, I don't
actually know the history of Pentecostalism itself, so it would
be interesting to see exactly when it started going modalist,
at least the Pentecostal denomination. Does anybody know? I don't
actually know the history of the one that's Pentecostals, So
but anyway, it comes out of this, but I just
don't know the exact history of it.
Speaker 1: The revival at Azuza stretched from the early morning deep
into the evening every day for three and a.
Speaker 4: Half the years.
Speaker 1: One woman described the services with the following words.
Speaker 8: A sound like a rushing mighty wind filled the room,
and I was baptized with the holy ghosts and fire
rivers of joy in.
Speaker 2: Okay, So here we go another woman claiming that she
felt a bunch of wind. It could have just been
somebody fartening all over, since they're all rolling around, I mean,
how do we know this fart wind is supposed to
be something divine? I felt the wind. Maybe it was
Sister Susie breaking wind love divine flooding my soul.
Speaker 8: God also gave me the Bible evidence of receiving this
experience and letting me speak in another language.
Speaker 2: So again, this is multiple just women claiming that they
think they're speaking in other languages. This is the root
of all the modern charismatic nonsense. Is women flip flopping
and flapping around? By the way, is it a bunch
of Is this a black church?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 2: What is this church?
Speaker 4: One?
Speaker 2: This Pentecostalism in North America emerges in nineteen fourteen, stemming
from a schism out of the assemblies of God. I
didn't know that, also known as Apostolic Jesus name Pentecostalism
arose from a nontrinitarian view the early origins of the
Azusa Street. But Pentecostal preachers like R. E. Mccallus began
to reject the Trinity. Okay, so that's what I'm interested
in here, So this guy Andrew Ershan. In nineteen thirteen,
an Apostolic Faith Worldwide camp meeting was held in up California.
Thank you California for all these stupid heresies. A Canadian
man named R. E. Mc callister preached a new revelation.
Look at that, I got a new revelation. Now, look
we automatically canceled this out, don't we. With my helpful
point in my video, there's no new revelations. So if
he preached a new revelation that you gotta be baptizing
our name by Jesus only, so, then this causes a
split in this new denomination in these tent meetings, and
then we get a number of ministers claimed that they
were then baptized in Jesus' name before nineteen fourteen, including
Frank Small. Oh Man. You know, these people were like
just the most backwoods just rubes. Charles Parham was recorded
baptizing using a similar formula at Azuzah. Okay, so here's
Azusa Street saying, oh, you got a baptize in that
name j Jesus. Nineteen fourteen, Parham and Seymour baptized in
this new formula, but they were not anti Trinitarian yet.
So that starts with them coming up with a new
way to baptize in just the name of Jesus. But
they're not yet anti Trinitarian. But that's where it begins.
After nineteen fourteen, many oneness groups formed and eventually became
the Pentecostal Assemblies of God or the Apostolic Faith Mission
Church are God. By the way, we have if you're
from the South, you see this stuff everywhere. This stupid stuff.
Speaker 4: Is just.
Speaker 2: It's all over the Bible Belt. Man, it's just sad.
And then you got you see all these like four
er pound women with the with the buns and the
skirts I mean. And by the way, people that are
not Bible Belt literate, they will mistake these for Amish
and Mennonite ladies. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, very different because
Amish and Mennonite ladies, although they have the same portly frame,
you will not get anywhere were you a trashy Southern
man trying to mac on them. However, one on this
Pentecostal girls, they're known to be quite trashy. And we'll
go all the way son past third base. I'm not
speaking from experience. I never dated when I was in
high school. All the one this Pentecostal girls were just
like because they don't wear makeup, they don't cut their hair,
and usually they're about two to three hundred pounds overweight.
Let's see if we can find you some examples of
these girls. Now, this is a charitable photo. Okay, I
never saw no one this girl's looking like that. That's
a charitable photo. Let's find what I'm used to. This
is about more of the norm here. Okay, I'm talking
like homely as all get out. Here we go. This
is your average oneness Bible belt woman right here. I'm
talking rough, dude. I'm talking.
Speaker 10: Uh Apostolic Pentecostal Women's there you go, Hey, Jamie, can
you have.
Speaker 2: Me a coffee?
Speaker 3: Thank you?
Speaker 2: Jamie? Are you gonna grow your hair out like a
one this Pentecostal woman? No, Now, look at this chick
over here, she's got hair down to her feet.
Speaker 11: Dude, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Yeah? See, look at that.
Speaker 3: Look at that.
Speaker 4: That's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2: Well maybe just in terms of hair, but I can
I can assure you they're not awesome. Can you imagine
their drains in their shower? And see? Here we go,
here's some here's some ladies right here. This is this
is what I'm used to in the Bible Belt. This
is are your average homely oneness lady is right here?
You want to see it, Jamie's curious I'm talking about they. Look,
you've been to Tennessee, you've been around at my hometown.
What do you mean you've seen these ladies? Rough? Dude. Now,
if you're hard up and you're trying to look for
a girl, and you you a dumb Bible Belt boy,
you're gonna get a lot farther with a Pentecostal girl
than you're gonna get with an Amish or a Menna
nite girl. I can tell you that right now. Son,
Let's let's see if we can find us a good
men of night girl over here in Tennessee.
Speaker 5: Good old rocket up rocketdup.
Speaker 2: Tanna See here's some men of night girls. But I
can't I can't tell see what I can't see what
they look like. This is a little unfair because so
the pictures that I'm seeing they don't look that that rough.
But when you go to Tennessee, I don't usually see
Menna night girls under about two hundred three hundred pounds,
maybe four hundred three to four hundred pounds. So this
is not very accurate here. Let's try this again. This
is a little more This is a little more close
to home here. Anyway, I'm being silly, I'm joking around.
That's the origins of all this stuff, which I didn't know.
The United Pentecostal Church and the Pentecostal assemblies became one
single entity with about six million members. Wow, six million
modalist Pentecostal goobers in the.
Speaker 5: World or.
Speaker 2: North America, I don't know. It doesn't say just as
six million.
Speaker 3: Ye oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's that. I guess that's enough of the
Azuza Street. Right, we got the basics of it. Let's
go back to the calls because oh man, sways, what's up.
Speaker 9: Hey, j Crin.
Speaker 12: Yeah, just so, yeah, I just wanted to kind of
kind of kind of ties into what you're.
Speaker 9: Talking about with the Muslim thing. At the beginning.
Speaker 12: And also this evangelical they called in who they have
no connection to history, so they don't understand, you know
that those were Christian.
Speaker 9: Places and that's the second oldest Orthodox.
Speaker 12: Church in the world was in how it gets pretty
sure he's been blown up. But as far as what
he said about the and this is why you reacted and.
Speaker 9: You said, that's a lie. Orthodox people don't do that.
Speaker 12: Cool, you know, and you're on I know you're on YouTube,
so we can't get into the JQ thing too much.
But like in a lot of those spaces where people
are a lot of young men are pissed about the
tax funded, legalized invasion of the West. Uh, there are
a bunch of people who even have Orthodox icon like
we were talking about last time as their picture and
they're literally Muslims.
Speaker 9: And like I literally.
Speaker 12: Jumped in there and the moment I brought up that
you know, Christians are not to unite with Muslims, I
get shot down and muted.
Speaker 9: And they're like all like they just cuss you out,
like you want to dog.
Speaker 2: Observe the way you're saying that a bunch of Muslims
are creating fake Orthodox profiles literally.
Speaker 12: And then there's even one guy. He has like one
hundred and thirty eight polarists. I won't call him out
by name, but it would be I would pay money
for you to.
Speaker 4: Talk to him.
Speaker 2: Well why not, but we need to see who these
fakes are.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, well so he's basically like a humanist.
Speaker 12: But he got he got really mad when I accused
him of being Aunanist Orthodox Cannonist. But right after this conversation, interestingly,
he changed his name from not being Orthodox Cannist anymore.
Speaker 9: And it's always been that. So there's a lot of
like fake ass.
Speaker 2: Sorry, are you talking about the guy that well, hold on,
he's not Muslim? You talking about the guy that's on
World War now? Yeah, how is he fake?
Speaker 13: Well?
Speaker 12: No, he might he may be, Like so he and
in these groups there's like three other people who are like,
you cannot mention anything about Muslims or they will like
mute you and.
Speaker 9: Shut you down. And he he does.
Speaker 4: He may.
Speaker 9: I think he's like you know, born sometimes maybe like
the converts.
Speaker 2: You must you might be talking about somebody different. Orthodox
Cannonist is not Arab and he's not pro Muslim. I've
never seen him be pro Muslim in fact, like hold on.
Speaker 9: He'll say, like we shouldn't be focusing hold.
Speaker 2: On, he's in the chat. He's in the chat. So
you're talking about Dimitri?
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, like you should bring him up?
Speaker 2: So yeah, you want to. It seems like he remember
that we we can't talk about uh, you know, too
much stuff that would you know, we're on YouTube. So Dmitri,
do you want.
Speaker 4: To come up the other?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How would he be Muslim's names Dmitri and that that's
a Russian name.
Speaker 12: No, no, no, I'm not saying he's Muslim, But like he'll
get into the minute shop when the Chechenians had to
team up with the Orthodox and ignore all of the
other historical times where we had to impale ten thousand
of them, you know what I mean. And it just
you know, probably has a lot of Muslim followers, so
you won't really like talk about how we're not to
you know, in my opinion, we shouldn't be aligning with
Muslims because they have a false version of Christ.
Speaker 9: And then the other two Orthodox.
Speaker 12: People in the group wouldn't even say that Islam is
an heretical cult from the seventh century, Like they wouldn't
even even say that.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of people like, well, who are
the other people in the group You're not talking about Conrad.
Conrad would say that no, no.
Speaker 9: No, okay. So one of them's name was Doc and
he has literally.
Speaker 14: The as his as his uh like photo or whatever
his PfP, and he's like, he'll scream at you and
call you a dog if you say anything about Islam,
and so well, anyways, my point is I didn't and
I'll talk to Ernetria.
Speaker 12: I'm down at disgusting because we talked for like an
hour and a half. So I wasn't trying to like
throw them under the bus, but I mean, I'll definitely
stand up for what I'm saying. I think it's weird
that they're like letting these Muslims kind of like it's
the JQ thing.
Speaker 9: So I don't want to get too deep into it,
but you know, the destruction of the West through legalized.
Speaker 12: Invasion and then it's all about like teaming up with
the Muslims.
Speaker 9: So I find your respect.
Speaker 15: Switch Jay's streams are not a place for you to
vent your schizophrenic babble. Okay, he just spiked up integospels, okay,
and the trouble they were bringing into in the so
called Christianity. You're essentially committing the same vicens here. Okay, No,
not at all, I mean misinformation.
Speaker 12: Okay, Well, did you not notice that the other people
in that and the group were pretending to the Orthodox,
they wouldn't renounce Islam as a false theoretical religion.
Speaker 9: Like can you not agree with that?
Speaker 15: Your spreading misinformation hereything, I'm saying things that I am
not okay for all? In some purposes, you are a schizophrenic.
Speaker 9: I'm looking. He's just attacking my character. But how many
how many foo? So yeah, he's not going to stand up,
stand up, cares about what you think. Okay, period, I'm
talking to j right Now've been a.
Speaker 12: Fan of Jays for a long time, and I think, uh,
I think you're disingenuous, to be quite honest. Anyways, if
Dmitri may be uh Orthodox by birth, but it seems
to me he's like very humanist.
Speaker 9: But anyways, I didn't want to get too far into him.
Speaker 4: I'm down to.
Speaker 2: Okay, so uh, I mean I've never again, I've not
heard Dimitria ever be a humanist, So that to me
sounds odd because usually he's calling out like what's his name?
That uh, Jackson Hinkel. I've seen him call that out
a lot. I don't know, so that that would be
odd to me, that he's a humanist.
Speaker 9: So yeah, well I recorded the whole thing, and I
guess I could send a Q.
Speaker 2: Well hold on, So, Dimitri Demetri, I'm not accusing you,
but would you like to address that because it just
seems odd.
Speaker 9: He's essentially lying, that's all. I'll say, Well, what's the lie?
Speaker 6: Like, what did I say that it's a lie?
Speaker 12: Because none of the people who are saying that Orthodox
would renounce Islam. You said that that wouldn't be a
that would be an Orthodox belief that I would renounce isla.
Speaker 15: You are actually which is which is hilarious that you
would do that on Jay's stream.
Speaker 9: Not sure why, but I think it's important.
Speaker 12: I think it's important. There's a lot of people who
are upset about what's happening in Europe.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, to main sure you don't
like Islam? Would I can't imagine.
Speaker 15: It isn't even a heresy. It's essentially a pagan sick.
I don't even want to call it a heresy. It's
extremely it's worse than Gnosticism essentially.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: So anyways, when I brought that up in that group,
all I did was get muted and shot down. And
then he after they removed me, which later we did
have a Yeah, we had a second conversation. He straight
up was like, he seems like a hobbyist. He's probably
a jew infiltrator. So I think that's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean what he just said, he denounced Islam
right there, So what's the problem.
Speaker 9: No, that's no problem. That's cool.
Speaker 12: I mean that's why I support. But there was other
Orthodox people in the group. Truth Teller says he's Orthodox,
and Doc says the Orthodox he has a icon as well.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know what group you're talking.
I don't have time to follow all being all the groups.
So like, what do you do you have a point
about like Pentecostalism and charismatic stuff.
Speaker 12: Well, you know, yeah, I just think it all ties
into the Pentecostals don't have any like understanding of history
at all. So of course he would say we can't
be pro Palestine and all that kind of stuff. But no,
I mean that was I think it's I think it's
kind of weird that he won't anyways. No, I mean
I kind of had a whole I've recorded the whole conversation.
But there's a lot of people angry young men about
what's happening to Europe, and then the Muslim that want
to be like but other you don't do a big
ally and then yeah, so I think that's weird.
Speaker 2: All right, did meet your anything You want to comment
there on that?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 9: No, I only came up because I was listening to
the space Jay.
Speaker 15: You're doing great. It's an amazing space thus far. But
I would just yeah, icon't comment on the redundant commentary
of these three hundred followischizophrenics here on the X.
Speaker 4: I really wouldn't be.
Speaker 15: I don't usually communicate with them, but in any case,
we'll good have a great stream.
Speaker 2: Thanks. Uh, Mike, what's up?
Speaker 16: Man?
Speaker 2: How you doing?
Speaker 11: What's what I mean?
Speaker 12: Hey, Jake?
Speaker 9: Can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Sir? Okay?
Speaker 9: How are you doing?
Speaker 4: Happy?
Speaker 9: Eastern?
Speaker 2: Likewise? What's up?
Speaker 17: I had a question and I was wondering if it's
about transubstantiation. I noticed in a conversation that a Roman
Catholic and an Orthodox person we're having where the author.
The Orthodox person was, and I can't remember the context
exactly of the conversation, but he said that he said,
this is a quote Roman Catholicism makes up a full
fault in the name of clarity, transubstantiation, for instance, And
I've never heard that from an Orthodox before, saying that,
you know that transperstantiation is an invention of Roman Catholicism.
I always thought that it was just like we use
the word to describe like the Eucharist in a philosophical way,
and that you know, Chrystosom and Basil they talked about
transubstantiation as well.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if you're able to like offer.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the term itself is not a Patristic term,
but I don't really even think that's a problem, because
you know, John Damascus uses similar types of terminology that's
translated in his writings as transstantiation. I think that where
as Orthodox we would have areas of like, well, we
don't go that far. Is that when you get into
the medieval scholastics like Aquinas, they start really trying to
define in some scientific way all kinds of things that
we just don't go there. We think it's more of
a mystery. So, for example, Rome has this position that
the the what is essential to the sacrament is matter,
form and attention, and that the sacrament is only confected
when the priest uh says the words of consecration. And so,
for example, we don't think that makes any sense because
the epiclesis is the calling down of the Holy Spirit.
But Rome doesn't believe that epiclyasis has anything to do
with the necessity of the consecration of the element. So
the medieval scholastics got very specific with all of these
kind of scientific approaches, and we don't go that far,
but we don't necessarily have a problem with the term
transsentiation itself.
Speaker 9: No, okay, got it.
Speaker 17: Also, you know, just just like you to know that
most of the Easter arguing with Bryson about the Trinity,
which he continues to deny and continues to display, you know,
the personality of you know, Arianism, which is weird because
I mean, I don't know, like you, we've done this
before with him, and I think we you know, you
did this to an extent with him on either a
couple of debates.
Speaker 6: But is it just worth is it worth it with him?
Speaker 2: Or is it just there's no I don't think there's
getting anyone getting where with anywhere with Bryson.
Speaker 9: So yeah, it's kind of fat.
Speaker 6: But what can you do anyway?
Speaker 9: You have a good Easter.
Speaker 2: You too might appreciate you coming on, and I hope
you and your family are well. Heisenberg. What's up man?
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Brandon ten dollars. Again, I'm a Luciferian. Do you believe
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Whether it's Mormons or Muslims. It should concern people, I agree,
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about other Middle Eastern countries, and he wants to do
more debates with the Muslim I think that, look, all
these issues are issues, right, so.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: People are like losing their minds that we're trying to
figure out who the ultimate issue is and all these
things are issues. So, you know, that's a good question.
I'm not sure what the I guess everybody has different
you know, callings and gifts, right, Like, like some people
are just super good at that debating Islam and you
know they can keep doing that, I guess, and other
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Protestants or whatever. So we all have different gifts. So
I don't know, it's a tough question as to how
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out to great Bob, Great Bob, you mean Bob Soco.
Bob been at it with sand monks for a long time.
I feel bad for him. He started his campaign and
oh yeah, so you must be talking about Bob in
the UK. He's watched his country get incrementally taken over. Yeah.
I mean when I first did the interview with Bob
that Lewis set up back in twenty eighteen, I think
that probably England's gotten a lot worse. So there's just
there's just no easy answers here because you know, like
there's not what's the word am we for? There's not
synagogues being set up everywhere, right, but I see mosques everywhere,
and you can argue that moss are kind of a
synagogue because one of those rabbis said something like, what's
this what's the term he uses? Islam is the broom
of Israel or something like that, in other words, Islam,
and that it's like they're fine to let Islam like
destroy the West, and you know, you guys take all
these hamas refugees, we don't want them, right, this kind
of stuff, So you know, there's just there's no easy
answers to any of these problems. I don't I don't.
I don't know what the answer. But like I'm over
here trying to read all this crazy stuff and make
sense of it. I've got two two Masad text that
I'm right in the middle of. I just got four
chapters into John Stockwell's book, which is all which is
brand new. We're gonna be going through this because I
don't know anything about the CIA's operations in Africa, so
I'm curious. And so this book is by the guy
who was the chief of the CIA task force in Angola.
So we're gonna be going through John Stockwell's I'm already
like sixty pages in and it's pretty good. Also interesting
is Kissinger calling the shots all throughout all this, which
is fascinating. This will give us a background into africam
which you probably have heard me mention. And then I
got Paul Williams's older book, which is not as good
as his Gladio book, because I think this was his
first one. He wrote this prior to the Gladio book.
I've read three two other chapters of it about it exposed,
and it's got some good angles so far on stuff
that's not in the Gladio book, Like, for example, this
has a whole history of the Vatican Bank and where
it arose from. You know who started it, what's the
whole background of that. So that's mentioned in passing in
the gladiobook. So this is gonna be a good one
to do too. But yeah, I'm really excited about I mean,
the Strowski's books are fascinating, but I'm really excited also
about the CIA operations in Africa are pretty wild. I mean,
I'll put it this way. I'm gonna be debating AP
and we are debating specifically CIA and Western intelligence use
of I S and al Q And I've already found
some moremo in John Stockwell for the big T word.
So that's going to be a fun debate. June. Second,
mister who cares five dollars, thank you for your work. Jay.
He has risen? Indeed he is? Am I correct that?
When I was amongst the Antiochians, they would say indeed
he has risen, or he has risen indeed, And then
if you're amongst the Russians, they say, truly he has risen.
Am I correct on that? Or am I crazy? People?
In the chat, you guys can help me on on that,
because my mind usually like goes back to you know,
Pasca amongst Antiochians, and I'm pretty sure everybody says he
has risen indeed or indeed he has risen. And then
if you're amongst the Russians, the Russians all say truly,
he's risen. And then and then the Russians think that
you're an idiot because you say indeed he's risen. It's like, well,
I didn't just make that up. That's actually just what
the Antiochians do. So do we have any Antiochians in
the chat? Do we do?
Speaker 9: Y'all?
Speaker 2: Still? Am I just misremembering Oca Parish we say indeed?
I see, I knew that there was some indeeds we
say truly at the Greek Church. I mean, it's not
a big deal, it doesn't matter. But I'm just I'm
just trying to figure out if I'm misremembering or if oh,
the Antiochians at your parents say truly. Interesting, Oh you
said truly? Okay, Well maybe now one person said indeed,
maybe that's maybe that was the oka we say indeed
in Texas. Interesting. I know it's the same. I'm just curious.
We at the Antiochians say indeed, I see. I thought so.
I thought that was what I remembered. And then people
were probably like, who is this idiot? Guy doesn't say
thru ly say is Indeed, no one says indeed, this
idiot theater we say indeed. At my OCA parish, Rachel
says that my Antiochian parish, everyone says indeed, I thought so. Anyway,
it doesn't really matter. It's just something that I was
curious about last night because I was like, am I crazy?
Or that I remember us saying this at the end
took in church. Let's see Mateo? What Matteo? The gentleman
and scholar. That's a name right there. What books do
you recommend for a Catholic looking into Orthodoxy? I would
read Michael Welton's Two Paths, and I would read Mystical
Theology of the Eastern Church by Lawsky. Those are two
of the most accessible works on the two key doctrines
of the papacy and the energies. Nick Clinton ten dollars.
Thank you for being an example of boldness. I appreciate
I appreciate you well. Thanks man christ Is Rhythm Indeed, H.
Brosie five dollars I have never objectively seen an Orthodox
man defending Muslims and his this sounds like a Catholic. Yeah. See,
this is like what a lot of trad cats do.
So I'm like, I've seen trad cats do that. I
don't know it. Now. We heard the evangelical guy originally right,
He was saying that if you're critical of Israeli actions,
then that means you're pro Muslim. No, no, no, no, that's a
false conclusion. I can be critical of both Hamas and
the actions of the Israeli government and not be pro
Islam or pro Muslim as you see that. This is
all like basic bitch dialectics, dude, Pelagonian Lion ten A's
Thursday is four day Pagan's exposed. Is that really though?
I didn't actually know that, Is that true or I
can't tell if that's true? You're joking. By the way,
I forgot to mention on Astare. I got all distracted
from hours ago. Let's see if that's actually true, because
I don't actually even know if that is the case. Okay,
so let's go to Easter and the I'm gonna show
you what I was trying to say to her about
Ostare Okay, Yostare is the Anglo Saxon goddess mentioned by Bede,
Saint Bede in his eighth century work Reckoning of Time.
He wrote that the Pagan Anglo Saxons held feasts in
her honor and named after her, and in April this
became the English name for the postle season of Easter. Okay,
so remember we said that this was a name that
was used for this time period of spring, right April
right here, so the Pagan Germanic Anglo Saxon. I thought
it was Germanic. It's actually Anglo Saxon. Excuse me, when
actually down here says Germany. So let's see. The old
High German name for April was a star month or
Starmont Monoth, which was similar to the Germanic goddess Astera.
The theory is that it's supported by descriptions to the
goddess blah blah blah found in Germany. The point that
I made was that this is a name for a
time period. Okay, let's look at the actual word and
its origin. These are cognates. They are derived from the
Proto Germanic, so it actually I'm right about that is Germanic.
In terms of the words root and what is it
the word for? Well, yes, it refers to a goddess,
like January refers to Genus. However, it is a time period. Okay.
When Charlemagne defeated and converted the continental Saxons to Christianity,
he gave Germanic names to the Latin months, which is
the Easter month of Austarmannoth. Okay, that's exactly what I
told her. So it's a word for a time period.
Once the people are Christianized, the word now refers to
the time period, just like January. And it doesn't matter
about some goddess. That's it. It's that simple. And let's see.
Here's here's what Bede says, the famous church historian Bead
Venerable Bead. It is the anglos Acts a name for April.
There you go, that's it. It was a name for April,
but it was a pagan name for April. Yeah, so
what like January exactly, does anyone think of April now
as goddess month? No, no one does. Everyone now thinks
of April as Pasca or passover. So there you go.
People getting hung up on words and acting like Jordan Maxwell,
all right, which if you're familiar with this goober boomer
conspiracy man, his whole grift is built on idiotic conspiracies
based on word concept fallacies. I'm not kidding.
Speaker 5: The word the word Easta is the goddess Astarra. The
word is the same the using spells casting what spells
on you?
Speaker 2: I mean, just the lowest tier idiotic nonsense. By the way,
I will be live in two days if you are
in the Florida area, if you'd like to come to
my live event metapolitics, god, Hollywood, technology, sexperis and orthodoxy
if you want to talk, because I know everybody's gonna come,
I don't mind. It's just that like everybody's gonna come
and ask the questions about orthodox stuff, which is fine. Yes,
I don't care if you want to come ask about that.
It is a short notice event, so the tickets are
pretty cheap, and you can get tickets right here if
you want to come to the Conservative it's a conservative
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April twenty second. You can get tickets right there. It's
gonna be fun. It's about a two hour talk. I'll
do a talk for hour, then we'll do some Q
and A for an hour. All right, where was that at? Oh? Thursday?
Is this true or is this nonsense? I don't even
know is Thursday Thursday?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 2: It looks like it is interesting. I did not know
that Thunr's day.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Thu thurs Day, old English god Thunor.
Speaker 2: Oh, I guess we can't. We can't talk about Sunday.
We can't talk about Thursday.
Speaker 4: They're all.
Speaker 2: It's all we're all worshiping the demons like evangelicals. Man,
They're just so it's hard not to well, I'll be
honest with like, tonight today I struggled, like and if
you see me booting people or like moving on, it's
because I don't want to get to the stage where
I'm losing my patience. And if somebody's obtuse for like
thirty minutes straight and even after that, I show them
the problems in the position and they just keep reasserting
like they're in some kind of mental loop. They're in
a glitch. I gotta move on, man, because I'll just
lose my patience and then everybody.
Speaker 4: Oh, we got him.
Speaker 2: He lost patience.
Speaker 5: He's so evil And me look at him, look at him,
and look at you.
Speaker 18: There we got.
Speaker 2: Him, even though I guarantee you, like everybody else in
the world, would eventually lose their patients with somebody being
obtuse and caught in a glitch for thirty minutes straight
or an hour straight, like the Protestant guy the other night.
Every time I would show a counter example, he would
move the goalposts and his followers are.
Speaker 4: Like, Oh, you got you, dude, He got you, dude.
Speaker 2: What's up, Heisenberg?
Speaker 4: What's up? J How you doing good?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 19: I just had a question on your your argument about
how like the papacy is circular and how it actually
like how it is like it has the same problem
that it tries to like fix with Protestantism, that is,
like there's like this problem of like interpretation, how you're
gonna interpret the pope and just in that whole but
type of problem, And I was wondering how how would
the Orthodox answer, like, how would the Orthodox be excused
from that?
Speaker 2: Because the Roman Catholic system is based on classical foundationalism
as a specific approach to evidentialism, to temism, to how
all of these questions are solved? And you can't be
a paradigm level, circular, recursive type of person if you're
going to be a Roman Catholic.
Speaker 9: All right, got it? Thank you?
Speaker 19: And Also I was wondering if like, because honestly, these spaces, man,
I think you like, I think you beat the X
level like spaces.
Speaker 9: I think you like.
Speaker 19: I think maybe if you like, try more TikTok, I mean,
like you could debate people like allegedly ean or like
the Orthodox Muslim because like I feel like if you
were to go on TikTok, you would get like a
clip every single like.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I've done many TikTok lives. Have you
not seen them?
Speaker 9: I have? I have not, but I think, like.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the problem. The problem is that the TikTok lives
and invasions are even worse than here or YouTube. It's
it's even more challenging because the people are a grade
dumber on average and a grade more extreme. So it's
even more difficult than here. So I have to really struggle.
What's up branding?
Speaker 9: Thank you?
Speaker 4: Yes, Brandon with can you hear me? All right?
Speaker 20: So my my dad's side was born and raised through history.
I'm doing a lot of research here against well, looking
we were dealt. His side of the family was from Galician.
I know that they're very close to Antioch. I just
wanted to know where. And then my mom is straight
three generations from Italy, so she's Catholic.
Speaker 2: Is well, you know what.
Speaker 20: So I'm trying to find my own path here and
I'm kind of struggling. Can you just give me an
advice on where to go to find some more information.
Speaker 9: On that topic?
Speaker 20: Like Galician Antioch versus their beliefs and Catholicism.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean. Well, when you say
their beliefs, who are you talking about.
Speaker 20: The Catholic beliefs on the Galatians and Catholics. I guess
you could call it Roman Catholic.
Speaker 2: Yes, when you do you know the church in Galicia
or just the place the.
Speaker 20: Church of Galatia, like Galician churches and Antioch churches.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean Orthodox churches descend from Antioch, Okay, Like
Peter sets up the church at Antioch, okay and acts right. So,
but I mean I just don't I don't know what
so like you're talking about like the history of the
history of the Celts.
Speaker 20: I mean right, I'm just trying to get further back
to where I'm at right now.
Speaker 6: I'm kind of like at the point of when Paul
was on his route and journey and when all when.
Speaker 20: He came to the Kingdom of Galatia and started spreading
the word there, and I want to get to the
point before that.
Speaker 9: I don't know where to go to get to the history.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not I don't have any kind
of expertise or specialty in those niche areas. So I'm
not trying to be dismissive rude. I just don't know.
I'm sure you could find somebody who's a historian of
that region, but I don't know. Munachi, John, what's up? John?
Speaker 9: And John?
Speaker 4: You yeah? Can uh huh cool.
Speaker 13: Yesterday I talked with somebody and they are Unitarian, and
I have not really talked to a Unitarian before. But
basically I'm trying to see, like, are they still Christian?
Speaker 9: And this is that God?
Speaker 2: No, you can't be a Christian and deny the Trinity
or the d Christ.
Speaker 9: Okay, That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 2: And if you scroll back to about an hour back,
we had a pretty lengthy discussion with a modalist Unitarian person.
So I would say, scroll back and check that out. Gurr,
what's up?
Speaker 9: Man?
Speaker 21: Hey, hey, so you abandoned the patristic calendar, the very
what they the.
Speaker 9: Father by the saints because the world.
Speaker 2: Okay, good job, Marcel. What's up Marcel? What's up? Dude?
I'm mute.
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ, brother Jack, can you hear me? Christis Ersten?
Speaker 2: Indeed, he's yeah, how does like?
Speaker 22: I also like, I mean this is something recently, like
you know a lot of Bisley at the multiomensional people,
they asked.
Speaker 9: You like, oh you're orthodogs.
Speaker 4: Oh that means you are pro hamas or propelsty.
Speaker 22: I've seen this like like recently, like the first I
think it was the first or the second guy who
just called it.
Speaker 7: The one thing they don't understand is right, not any
person who is rational like the other rational flock would
ever support an ideology that looks you tasted kill your grape.
So even when there are some orthodogs pushed it.
Speaker 2: There say okay, let's I'm on YouTube, so we can't
be talking about that stuff.
Speaker 22: So yeah, So I just want to say even if
Christians say, like, oh, they're a proper listing that doesn't
mean that you're saying we are Islam, right, I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think they did that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think anybody anybody listens to to nuance.
So I try to be I try to be I
try to be hyper charitable and hyper nuanced. Right to
quote uh loft dog. But yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
you know what I'm saying, Munachi, did we do you already?
Vegan skills? Five dollars? Christos pilscrats? See what is the
lady singing gibberish and banging on that piano? How would
that be a gift to the Holy Spirit? Yeah, that's
that's a are That was a bizarre proof from the
Azusa Street Revival. Right, what's up?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: I'm mute? Now we got another man? Who is it?
Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me back.
Speaker 9: I appreciate that.
Speaker 23: Earlier today you mentioned that I was speaking from silence
and that there's no mysterious language that individual individual could
speak when.
Speaker 4: We're when we were having it. Oh my gosh, how
about you? Can you pull up one Korenthians fourteen.
Speaker 2: Too literally listed when the first time you're on here,
I mentioned verse its fourteen I.
Speaker 23: Know, I know about fourteen two specifically.
Speaker 2: I mentioned that when you came on the first time.
So goodbye, h BROSI what's up?
Speaker 9: Hey, what's subject?
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 24: Okay, yeah, Joy, I'm not going to have thank you
you meant it's going to be real quick. Just because
I heard that other guy say something about TikTok. Please
don't ever don't ever do TikTok shreams again. Obviously, I've
been following you for years and years, so I've seen
every single every single TikTok stream you've done. Obviously, I
think this idea comes from all I mean, any like
other than people just like actually using TikTok, which you
have to be retarded to do. Is uh. Obviously, Andrew's
TikTok TikTok streams are hilarious. They're funny or whatever. And
the way he goes in and you know, oh, oh Jake,
you hear me? Yeah, all right, cool, Sorry I lost
connecting there for a second. The way he goes in
and you know, destroyed the leftis or whatever. That's great
and all that's like, this is theology, so it's completely different,
you know, Andrew he doesn't necessarily like recently he's gotten
more into theology, but this is completely different from that.
And if anybody has seen your TikTok streams, it's just
it's just feral. It's just feral dogs liked there's there's
no point in that those people that the people that
frequent TikTok tend to be significantly younger. So it's it's
a complete waste of time, man, And it kind.
Speaker 9: Of just business.
Speaker 2: Tell people, it's like all it does is just gonna
get me like enraged with with idiots and then and
then people are gonna get mad saying I mean so
there's it's just like a it's a cash twenty two.
Speaker 24: So yeah, like a man for for whoever this this
orthodox Muslim guy is that people get like obviously I
have no clue who this guy is. But every time
these people, regardless if it's if it's you know, guys
that actually do falling consistently or just randos on on
YouTube or Twitter, every time somebody suggests like there and
this isn't me just you know, like being obviously call
it like I tokingly call myself a diar, right, A
lot of us do. I'm not like I'm not glazing.
Speaker 2: You when I say it's get it's a joke.
Speaker 24: Yeah yeah, yeah, but like uh, like what I'm about
to say, I'm not glazing what I'm about to say either,
Like they're just low tier compared like that, there's gonna
be nothing different. You're gonna get on You're gonna get
on the stream or get on their TikTok and they're
gonna get on X. It's gonna be like three minutes
of you know, like some some of some decent back
and forth and then the heresy comes out or the
low tier bullshit that they that they back whatever clean
they have comes out with, Like it is a.
Speaker 9: Complete waste of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that I've done probably five
multi hour and thank you for that. Appreciate that, h brother.
I've done probably maybe five multi hour TikTok streams, and man,
it's a challenge, I'm telling you, Like it's hard for
me to remain patient with just it's like arguing with
thirteen year olds that are drunk and eating a bunch
of candy. So it's like thirteen year olds that have
sugar high and are drunk and then they're just insane,
like how far are you going to get into debate? Well,
it's it's it's tough, James. What's up?
Speaker 19: Does truth evolve to match society?
Speaker 2: It can in some sense, there's difference to the calendar. Okay,
here we go, So why don't you just keep making more?
Or all right? Cranky around? That was the guy that
called in the other day and I was like, are
you ah, how old are you? And he's like a
new conrat right, and who interprets the cannons? Well, I mean, yeah,
I benshops, but John Smith, it's probably the same guy,
or it's the black guy. What's up John Smith?
Speaker 5: White boy?
Speaker 4: And white boy? Hello?
Speaker 2: Can you hear us? Indeed?
Speaker 4: Is?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 4: So? I had a couple of questions.
Speaker 25: My first one was, you've mentioned a couple of times
about a cannon that uh can't ride horses. But I
looked in the rudder and all I could find was
that they can't. You're not supposed to attend horse racist?
Is that the one you're referring to?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's it's an example that FDA always
brings up, all right.
Speaker 25: And my second question was I think you've talked about
the local cannon and how the Quinn Sex Council has
several except the cans of several councils, so it accepts
several billigal cannons.
Speaker 4: But I think you've said that the one from Carthage
is the primary one. M h Uh, where is that?
I couldn't find that.
Speaker 2: I'm going for memory. I think it's mentioned in the
it's either I think it's Trillo. It's Trillo that specifies
that it's Carthage's cannon for Bible, and then until Trul
I know, but I'm saying that it's also reaffirmed at
the Seventh Council. I know that quintessect is Trollo, but
I'm pretty sure it's Trillo that mentions Carthage's cannons.
Speaker 4: Right, what I'm saying, I don't like I look through.
Speaker 25: Tru and see a distinction between Like, I don't think
it talks about biblical canon at all.
Speaker 2: It just it does though it mentions it mentioned, It
mentions the specific Carthaginian synods that it's reaffirming, and one
of those is the one that lists the Biblical canon.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 25: But what does that have to do with accepting lots
and abosol cans as well?
Speaker 2: Well, if if there's I'm saying that, let me see
if I can pull it up here, right, h okay.
It mentions at the beginning those of Chalcedon Sartaca and
those of Carthage. And I think that it mentions at
a certain place specifically, I'm going for memory, because I
don't have it pulled up here. I think at a
certain place it mentions which Carthaginian canons it refers to.
It's like here it says the Father's assembled at Carthage showed.
You would probably have to look, like at a scholarly
text that would tell you which one is being referred
to in Canon thirteen, So Canon two is it one
or two two? And then thirteen and then twenty nine
about the altar and the Eucharist, and Canon thirty two
mentions Carthage again. And I'm just I'm going from memory
that I read a secondary source that talked about which
of the Carthaginian councils this is referring to, because there's
actually quite a few, and one of these is referring
to the biblical canon.
Speaker 25: You're saying, So, for example, if it's the one nine
says the carbon is starting about themisters of the older.
Speaker 2: You're saying that that could I'm saying that if you
look at Canon two, it mentions Sartoca and those at Carthage, right,
and then it mentions those under Nectarius, Archbishop of Alexandria. Likewise,
the canons of Dionysius the Great City of Alexandria, and
it mentions a bunch of other canonical lists basil Uh,
it mentions Cyril. If anyone should be convicted of innovating
upon these canons, let him receive the canonical censure. So
I'm just going from memory that this is referring to.
So not every Carthaginian synod is necessarily accepted because they're
local synods, but you can find in secondary literature references
to which Carthaginian synods that this is referring to, and
one of those is referring to the Biblical canon.
Speaker 25: Yeah, I was just saying because earlier in that, like,
I think it's two lines of it's talking about a
lot to see.
Speaker 9: You as well.
Speaker 2: Well, I would say that I would say that if
there's conflicting canonical lists of the canon of Scripture, then
it stands to reason that it's it's going to be
as Orthodox you could argue that we have some a
loose canon, but the universal canon whether if you look
at like the fourth century, between the Apostolic Canons and
the Church of the Councils of Rome, you have a
universal acceptance in that whole century of all of the
douter canonical texts. So if the argument is that we're
looking for duter canonical proof, none of those conflicting canon
lists exclude the douter canonical texts. Yeah.
Speaker 25: Yeah, it's just a question of a couple of books
I think between well, that's what I was looking at,
the difference between the Council Carthage that has the Biblical
canon and well, for example, there's the Senate Jerusalem of
sixteen seventy two or there. M well, it basically say
it's allowed to see you, plus these other duterical books that.
Speaker 4: Allowed to see another man.
Speaker 2: So well, I think, but that's that's kind of what
I'm saying, is like, basically no one accepted the Laodicean
canon or the the list that's laid down in Canon
D two or whatever, the Apisolic canons. So even though
those both list the doer canonical text like that, that's
just attestation to the acceptance of the deoconical text. What
eventually gets pretty much universally accepted is what we have
in the Orthodox Church today, because even John Damascus includes Clement,
like he thinks that Clement is part of the Canon Scripture.
So there was so even in John Damascus's day, there's
still somewhat of a degree of flexibility because it looks
like he's just looking at Canon fifty two of Apostolic Canons.
Speaker 4: Yet understanding the minders saying.
Speaker 25: I was just wondering if you had a source for
the primary say that a couple of times.
Speaker 2: I don't remember where it's I've read it in some
some secondary literature. But even if that's incorrect, like, it's
still pretty normative that do Orthodox Church accepts, you know,
the douter canonical texts and in the Book of Revelation
and whatever. This variation is with John Damascus and Canon
fifty two. Is it fifty two? I think it is
fifty two or is it eighty two? Excuse me of
absolute Yeah, it's the one that lists the the Canon Scripture.
Maybe I'm exchooseing eighty five, correct, Yeah, Like that's the
one that lists Clement versus Second Clement and that's the
list that John Damascus gives. So even in John Damascus's day,
he apparently thought that the canon of the Apostolic canons
was normative. But even at Quentessex Trollo like, you could
argue that it's not exactly clear that that's the canon
that's chosen. You could argue that it's It seems to
be that the church eventually just default. It's to the
common canonical acceptance between East and West, which Canon eighty
five here does attest to the Deutero canon, but it
doesn't attest to what the church accepts as the normative
New Testament. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: You're from Amocus, doesn't revolution?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 4: All right, yeah, they answer my questions.
Speaker 9: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yes, let's see here.
Speaker 2: So I don't this guy thinks that I'm going to
fall for all his fake body accounts. Will have one
Followergan Skills. What's up?
Speaker 22: Man?
Speaker 9: Yes, sir, what's up? Cristalina sp.
Speaker 4: Oh Man?
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
Speaker 18: I can't?
Speaker 4: Okay, So I actually had two questions.
Speaker 26: But this one kind of got brought up because you
were talking about the Angel of the Lord and the
Old Testament.
Speaker 9: And.
Speaker 26: I was commenting on this YouTube video on Hebrews one
where this like, I don't know, he's a torner guy,
you know, Monotheus kind of I don't know what what
it deal is exactly, but he was commenting on a
debate by David Wood and Alex something O'Connor, I think,
and it was on Hebrews one, and he says, the
past is they're referencing about how God I spoke at
various times and to the prophets, and the Old Testament
has in these last day spoken by his son. He said,
the passage that they used actually refused their position because
it's creating a distinction between the way he spoke in
the past to the to the fathers by the prophet
versus has been in these last day spoken to us
by his son. So I say, it couldn't have been
his son in the Old Testament. And I was kind
of like arguing that, no, that doesn't refute it, because.
Speaker 4: He's kind of he's addressing.
Speaker 2: The way that he's spoken to us in these last
days by his son. Is the is the incarnation exactly?
Speaker 24: That's what I was that That was my argument is
he was the distinction.
Speaker 2: Is the preincarnate versus I look the whole chapter is
arguing that the son is the creator, and that was
the second If the son is the creator, then he
If the son is the creator, as the whole chapter
is arguing, then he has to be the one that's
speaking the Old Testament.
Speaker 9: Uh. Yeah.
Speaker 26: He refuted to engage with that second part, which says
he created the world through his son. I'm like, how
could he have created because he was arguing that Jesus
is like a prophet or something.
Speaker 2: Uh huh, how much?
Speaker 9: How did a prophet create the world?
Speaker 4: And how is this angel creator?
Speaker 2: Right? Right? Right? Yeah? Yeah, I appreciate that, and I
don't know what else. Just I mean, somebody's gonna be
up to so like, just move on. There's no point
in having that discussion. What's up, Scott? Do you want
to call in you wanted to speak earlier or we'll
go to what's up?
Speaker 11: Man?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What's up?
Speaker 9: Nothing?
Speaker 6: So you you invited me on here. You said you
wanted to debate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you took issue with me being basically a debate
or something that I've been doing for a really long time,
and you said that you felt like it wasn't the
best way to turn the tide or the needle within culture.
What I was disagreeing with you with more specifically, was
that if you yourself admit that you're a quote shitty
Catholic and not in a position to make these kinds
of spiritual judgments, Like, how are you in a position
to say that debating is bad?
Speaker 16: Because spiritual judgments are not the same as trying to
move the needle on a cultural level.
Speaker 4: And I don't know why you would.
Speaker 16: Think that those are two things that are directly related
insofar as you cannot have one without the other.
Speaker 2: Well, but what I'm saying is like, if you're going
to make assessments of what's virtuous and not virtuous, and
what works and doesn't work, like if you're a shitty
Catholic quote your terms, not mine, how would that put
you in a position to make this kind of judgment
call about whether debating is profitable or not.
Speaker 6: Because it's got nothing to do with religion.
Speaker 16: We saw for what the last sixty maybe even seventy
or eighty years, hell, maybe even for a little.
Speaker 9: Bit longer than that.
Speaker 16: The gears of society have turned, and we have gone
in a direction of atheism, secularism at best, and nihilism.
Speaker 2: At worst, you don't. You don't think that has to
do with religion.
Speaker 16: I think it has to do more with the way
that cultures shift and the way that people will operate
to try and turn those cultures into.
Speaker 9: The direction that they're going in.
Speaker 2: How does a person combat the massive influence of Muslim
influencers and debaters and TikTokers, for example, without debating them.
Speaker 16: What's that got to do with you arguing about fucking
Catholicism though, because because because like, don't, don't get me wrong,
you want to you want to debate Muslims, fucking whatever,
do your thing. But like you are literally here on
Easter trying to start slap fights with people over what
fucking because you disagree with them about the correct way
to enterate Christ or the correct church doctrine or dogma
or whatever.
Speaker 4: People.
Speaker 16: The fact of the matter is people see stuff like
that and they're like, Wow, these guys fucking suck.
Speaker 9: I don't want to be around that.
Speaker 2: No, you you may think that, you might think that,
you might think that that's why.
Speaker 6: The world has changed in the way that it has.
Speaker 2: No, you're not even in c people, You're not in
a position to make this assessment I'm in whatever position,
I feel like you're not in it, You're not in
a competent position, and joke like you're not culturally relevant.
Speaker 6: Nobody remembers a debate fucking a week or two later.
Speaker 2: Okay, So the thousands. So when I go to why
are you interrupting me? When I when I go.
Speaker 6: To one and people laugh about Jordan.
Speaker 2: When I go to churches and I meet thousands of
people that have converted in the last five or six
years from debates, how does that telling me that debates
don't matter and are useless.
Speaker 6: I think you're making it up. I'm being honest.
Speaker 16: You met thousands of people, you met your you're toring,
you're touring the country, going to church after church, and.
Speaker 2: Every one of them is like, yeah, dire.
Speaker 6: Dude, I saw that debate with this.
Speaker 2: With that, you realize that, you realize that we and
why are you? Why are you? Why are you? Why
are you melting down? When there's literally we just had
two thousand people. We just had two thousand people in
the live chat here. I've done I've done live debates.
I've done live debates and live events from coast to
coast for the last five years. And yeah, I've met
thousands of people. You can watch a lot of these debates.
I mentioned to you in the DMS, the Muslim debate
that was just seen by over four million people. So
you're saying that I'm just making all this up.
Speaker 6: Four million converts?
Speaker 2: Right, I did it? Did I say converts? I said
it was watched by four million people, and I met
thousands of converts.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean fucking when I turn on the TV,
I see Real Housewive, so fucking Alaska on. Technically, I'll
watched it for two seconds, but it doesn't mean it
actually had an effect on me.
Speaker 6: And that's the point that I'm.
Speaker 2: So and so you think that the so you think
I'm lying about I'm lying about this.
Speaker 16: Culture is what matters. Culture is what matters. And if
you're not creating something.
Speaker 2: Who are the how is there?
Speaker 9: Was?
Speaker 4: Just?
Speaker 2: What does that even mean? Culture is what matter? Religion
is part of culture? So does it? What are you
even talking about?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 16: And if religion is not going to tap into the
culture in a way that is going to be fruitful.
Speaker 6: Then you're not going to have nearly as many converts
as you need to be able to count around.
Speaker 2: Well, you just accused me of lying when I when
I can show you the fruits of the people that
are in these churches. Have you ever been to an
Orthodox church?
Speaker 5: Non?
Speaker 6: And I really don't feel like, uh really don't feel
like I need.
Speaker 2: To go to one, truthfully, Okay, But that would prove
to you that I'm not lying, because you can go
and meet that. We just had two hundred people in
just the UK and one church converted a few days ago.
Speaker 6: Sure, two hundred people in a country of how many people?
Speaker 2: No, in one pairh that's one example.
Speaker 6: Perish, Okay, two hundred people?
Speaker 2: Okay, Now do you want to do you want to go?
Do you want to go look at you know you're
saying that I'm lying about it. Do you want to
go look up? How many people at Father Josiah Trnham's
parish converted recently?
Speaker 6: I don't think it really matters.
Speaker 2: Got bell hold on? It doesn't matter? But it is
no hold on. You said it doesn't matter.
Speaker 6: You're not culturally relevant in the way.
Speaker 9: That you think you are.
Speaker 2: Okay, but it and that's the point that I'm making.
So you're just trying to go after me personally to
make slights at me when everything that I'm telling you
disproves your accusation that I'm lying. You said I'm lying
about thousands of converts. I'm giving you the things that
would disprove that, and you're saying I don't care.
Speaker 16: I mean, you're the one who's going after people based
off of things like say they're Catholicism and things like that.
Speaker 2: You know, you, So you're but hurt because I'm going
after Catholics.
Speaker 16: You go after someone like Razorfist, who's well known for
being verbose and hyperbolic, and yeah, so what other crazy things?
And when he does what rape? When Razorfist is Razor,
You're like, whoa, where the hell did that come from? No,
that's that's stupid, bro.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, that's not true.
Speaker 16: It has shifted since the fifties or even before that.
Speaker 6: The culture has shifted in a way.
Speaker 2: Okay, everybody, Why why should we listen to your Why
are we supposed to listen to you as some cultural
you don't have You don't have any audience. You don't
have any audience. Why are we supposed to believe you
on cultural analysis? What is your quality? What's your qualification
for cultural analysis?
Speaker 6: Jesus Jesus didn't have an audience.
Speaker 2: So you're what is your qualification for cultural analysis? Looking
at the lest looking looking at the last.
Speaker 6: The country has shifted looking.
Speaker 2: Look, this is the dumbest, This is the dumbest. Once anosense,
do you accuse me of being a liar? Listen, you
don't care about the counter evidence, you don't care, you
don't care about the count right now, you're the one
that's cussing me out. Man, I'm just laughing at the
nonsense that you're saying.
Speaker 9: Uh, I kind of like you're a little shit.
Speaker 2: Got to be honest because what you're saying is ridiculous.
The whole chat's laughing at You got two thousand people
laughing at you, which, by the way, is that all fake,
that's made up?
Speaker 6: If they're not made up, they're fucking stupid.
Speaker 2: Oh, the whole audience is stupid, is all the Orthodox
people are stupid?
Speaker 9: The ones watching right now?
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, So the actual churches that would refute
your claim that I lie about all this, you don't
care about that.
Speaker 16: You see what's happening right now, right I'm trying to
keep the conversation on what we dm about talking about.
Speaker 2: Bro you called me, You call me a liar? Sitting
to you called me a liar.
Speaker 16: Dude, just slowly shift in a conversation that you feel
like you can.
Speaker 2: You call me a liar? Did you not?
Speaker 16: The matter is, the Boomers don't look back at church
when they were young.
Speaker 2: They what are you even talking about? This is like
an eighty IQ conversation. The Boomers don't look at what
the whole the whole two thousand people are laughing at you, bro,
they look.
Speaker 6: Back at They don't, they don't.
Speaker 9: I don't give a fuck what they think. All two
thousand and eight.
Speaker 2: And so we're supposed to listen to you about so
you want to give spiritual advice and we're supposed to
listen to you. You're literally just telling the entire chat
to f off.
Speaker 9: Yeah you chat?
Speaker 2: Okay. So this is Scott Sullivan the m M. A
guy who has absolutely no qualification in any subject that
he's talking about.
Speaker 9: Oh you do I do I need to go? Do
I need to go to college? Do I need to
get a PhD?
Speaker 2: Do you do you do you read at all?
Speaker 6: Talk about what everybody has known.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about culture, and you have no
qualifications in the subject matter? So yes, correct?
Speaker 9: What? What?
Speaker 6: What qualifications would make you happy?
Speaker 2: What any any at all?
Speaker 6: What school do I need to go?
Speaker 2: Can you give me any example of a single book
on culture that you've read?
Speaker 9: Uh? Julius and Bulla's The Whole Guest, Modern World, Ride
the Tiger.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so you're a perennialist. You're a perennialist.
Speaker 6: More of a traditionalist.
Speaker 2: Okay. Do you like Julius Evela's discussions of magical butt sex?
Speaker 9: Yeah? Sure? Sure?
Speaker 2: Is that is that good for culture?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 6: But I think right, the Tiger is good for culture?
Speaker 2: Okay? And what are we supposed to go to some
sort of a what fascist magical? Uh? Like leader? That's
a that's a magician.
Speaker 6: Actually, Evola rejected the Fascist party.
Speaker 18: Uh.
Speaker 2: If you read his Metaphysics of Sexuality, he argues that
we should have magical butt sex. So do you agree
with that or not?
Speaker 6: Well, I've never read that book. Bottom line.
Speaker 16: Bottom line is that the culture is shifting in a
direction that is not healthy for any of us. And
you can sit here and have your internet slat flights,
But what are you doing to actually move the needle
back into a healthy place?
Speaker 2: How about debating all how about opposingated? How about opposing
is capture? How about opposing But when I give you
the counter examples material, When I give you the examples,
you're done.
Speaker 9: Fantastic thing. I don't think it's a bad thing at all.
Don't get me wrong.
Speaker 2: Okay, but hey, the end of the day, he bro
I'm blocking you. If you I'm blocking you, we're done.
People together, nobody, nobody cares about your low tier nonsense.
Speaker 9: What's wrong with the world today is that the.
Speaker 2: Dude, you're not even competent to discuss any of this.
What you're saying doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 9: That's all you're doing. That's literally all you do, man.
Speaker 2: And it's all I do is back in my day?
What does that even mean?
Speaker 6: And make the conversation into one that you feel like
you can win.
Speaker 9: You can?
Speaker 4: You can?
Speaker 2: You mean when you accuse me of lying? Understand that,
when you accuse me of lying, and then I show
you all right, all right, we're done. You're done. That
was the dumbest shit I've heard in ages. That was
the stupidest bunch of nonsense. He read one level of books.
So there we go. Yeah, roid rage exactly, So you'll
notice what these people do is like they'll say something
like you're lying, it's all made up. There's not people
who've converted. And then when I start to give the examples,
he says, I don't give a shit. Wow, Charles, what's up.
Speaker 16: They?
Speaker 9: Can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 27: I just want to totally counter signal that last guy
with an idiot. I know you've made a big impression
on my life and any friends who are interested again
in you know, inquiring into Orthodoxy things like that, just
from listening to debates where real conversations happen. I think
that's actually what's been lacking in a lot of the religious.
Speaker 2: Experience, total nonsets. Like I've literally been here, I've literally
gone coast to coast meeting people. So here's the guy
if you guys want to go engage this moron, Scott
Sullivan MMA, the guy who literally just said f all
of you in the chat. He doesn't care you're all idiots,
and uh, here's what he actually looks like. And he
the funny part was that he's like, I admit that
I'm an idiot and I'm a shitty Catholic and you
shouldn't listen to me about anything religious, But let me
tell you how to solve culture's problems. And what isn't
good with debating? Why would anyone listen to this individual
who literally can't even put together a coherent argument.
Speaker 9: No, I mean it's not even really worth even interesting.
Speaker 2: That was just so stupid.
Speaker 27: But I meant, when he's pressed to discuss ideas, he
talks about Julius Evola like a fourteen year old.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, which like a volat is a clown man.
If you read his metaphysics of sexuality, he actually argues
that we should have magical butt sex. There's a whole
chapter on it. I have the book, I've read it.
Speaker 27: No, the traditionless guys like went on and what's their
shoe on?
Speaker 9: Like their pedophiles like weird.
Speaker 27: I mean maybe there's some interesting like right wing ideas, sure,
but like as a general worldview, that's going to like
spiritually reorient us just like gutter trash stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a whole chapter in Aros and the Mysteries
of Love on magical butt sex and why he likes
Alistair Curley so much. So there you go, that's it's
not fundamentally a religious problem in society. It's moving the culture, Like,
what does that even mean? Chase, what's up? What's up doing?
Speaker 9: Hey, it took a second time you. I just think
it's funny.
Speaker 12: Without any unchanging foundation and guidepost to what's morally acceptable
and what's not. Where does where can culture go anywhere?
Anywhere and everywhere? And so when you have distorted, incorrect
religious worldview that does push perennialism like Roman Catholicism does.
Now it's a false religion. What's that going to allow for?
It's going to allow for any culture to do anything. So, yes,
we want people in every aspect of culture, in music,
in art, and television. But the root problem is the
religious framework that prevents certain transgressions like the stuff I'm
talking about with Evola taking place in the first it's
it's just so goofy, I don't understand.
Speaker 2: Yeah. On top of that, by the way, he just
spent twenty minutes trying to debate telling me that debating
is stupid and futile. Imagine the stupidity and the lack
of self awareness to come to debate that debating is stupid.
Speaker 12: I don't think he understands that. To be ho, I'm
not trying to be mean, like I thought, you know something.
Speaker 2: No, that was like this, this is a guy who's
like maybe a hunter IQ, like not even.
Speaker 12: And I've seen him pop up and have a couple
of funny moments in certain you know, you know, uh,
YouTube things and stuff, and it was like, oh, you
had a funny moment or something.
Speaker 9: But it was yeah, it was just goofy.
Speaker 12: I just if you want, if you're saying the cultures
headed in a bad direction, you're asking all these deeper
philosophical questions, which is what Jay's getting at, and it's
it's just goofy.
Speaker 9: I just wanted to say, it's it's totally backwards.
Speaker 12: You want people upstream in culture putting out good art
that does glorify and magnify God and rebukes bullshit. And
then you need people going at the direct foundation to
go up you know upstream as well. Right, you need both.
You want everything. You want a whole culture informed by
the good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Here is Evilah by the way, talking about what
he likes in Croley. So his answer to culture and
society is a lunatic promoting that magical b U T
T se x. And so you can go read his
assessments of Croley. It's around page two, sixty four, sixty five,
and I'm pretty sure he has a positive appropriation of
uh butt sex.
Speaker 12: Magic well and and again, what's what's funny about that
is Crawley, you know, with the you know, the people
and the poo poo thing, he thought, you know, Oh,
it's the final transgression you know, someone can make, and
a transgression of what the very religious ordering that debating
these false religions as well as atheists and perennialists.
Speaker 9: Allows for, like it's just or sorry, wouldn't allow for
if they were in place.
Speaker 12: But I'm gonna head out. I'm gonna go go listen,
christ has Risen, have a good.
Speaker 11: One, Jay, what's up?
Speaker 2: Man? Sonic, what's up?
Speaker 4: Hey? Bro? Didn't realize I was up.
Speaker 23: Hey.
Speaker 28: This all sounds very sophisticated, but I'm curious as far.
Speaker 4: As these guys go, who just.
Speaker 23: Kind of launch in to things that they're ill equipped for,
even on a daylight today.
Speaker 4: Truthfully, I'm not.
Speaker 23: Much of a reader as far as this stuff goes.
Speaker 4: I'm saved by grace, but I'm.
Speaker 23: Just curious about how this plays into.
Speaker 4: Guys who are willing to do nothing but to act.
Speaker 28: As far as this all sounds very book smart, but
where does it come in.
Speaker 4: For people who are just tired and who are.
Speaker 29: Ready to act on whatever their exhaustion is with where
they're at.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean act?
Speaker 4: What do you mean?
Speaker 28: So you guys are talking about like authors, right, You're
talking about like different authors and like Christian Cannon from
what I've gathered, right, you guys are talking about authors
like like favor is kind of what.
Speaker 9: It sounds like.
Speaker 2: Evila is a pagan, so he has nothing to do
with Christianity.
Speaker 4: Okay, So.
Speaker 23: Okay, so he referenced him.
Speaker 4: Do you have any that you're a fan of?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So look, man, it's a it's an open debate.
So I mean, if you wanted to come to discuss
and have debate, that's fine. But I mean, I don't.
I just cannot understand.
Speaker 4: What you're after the debate. I'm just looking to further understand.
Speaker 2: I understand what.
Speaker 4: You guys are are.
Speaker 28: You're against Catholics, You're with Catholics.
Speaker 2: I am not Okay, I see what you're saying. I
am not pro Catholic. No, I am against Catholicism. I'm Orthodox,
but we also debate Protestants, atheists, or whoever would like
to come debate.
Speaker 23: Okay, for the most part, Protestants have been against Catholics.
Speaker 4: Next as part as what.
Speaker 28: I'm perhaps I'm ill equipped to even be talking to
you right now. But for the most part, the discourse
I've seen is Protestants and Catholics against each other.
Speaker 2: M what about it?
Speaker 4: Them just arguing for more structure.
Speaker 23: People online in suits Orthodox not Orthodox Liberal versions of
these religions.
Speaker 4: Whether to get in a suit to go to church
or not a suit not a church man.
Speaker 28: I don't know if anyone else can relate, but I
just don't go to church.
Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of people can relate that they
don't go to church.
Speaker 9: Do you go to church?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You go to church?
Speaker 4: How many times a week?
Speaker 2: Usually one? Maybe two?
Speaker 4: What Sunday and Wednesday?
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, Orthodox church usually has other services. It's not
really Wednesday, but generally Sunday, but some other days sometimes
we have a Saturday service.
Speaker 4: Okay, so generally on the weekends. What about the people that.
Speaker 28: Don't partake in these quote unquote bodies of Christ at all?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's not typically the Orthodox attitude to
judge people individually, but I mean, we do believe that
humans were made to engage in ordered worship towards God. Yeah,
in a community.
Speaker 30: Is that based somewhat off the scripture of where one
or two were gathered?
Speaker 2: Is well? I mean yeah, partly. And then you know
Paul says, don't forsake the coming together. Yeah.
Speaker 30: Well, would you say to people who are struggling to find.
Speaker 2: That at all, Well, I would say, go check out
an Orthodox church, Go visit one.
Speaker 1: Orthodox what not Orthodox Protestant, not Orthodox.
Speaker 2: East Eastern Orthodox Church, the Orthodox Catholic Church, specific.
Speaker 4: The Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church. Correct, Okay?
Speaker 28: And I I'm of course coming to you as a
gentleman who has grown up in church almost my entire life,
left it at probably the age.
Speaker 4: Of separate seventeen and never went back. You don't feel
like there's any like vetting.
Speaker 9: Process you have to have with these churches.
Speaker 30: You feel like anyone could enter these places and pretty.
Speaker 4: Much be set. Now.
Speaker 2: The Orthodox Church is the strictest for vetting.
Speaker 4: Okay, which is my elaborating on that. As far as
what their vetting processes.
Speaker 2: Are, it's usually one to three years before you become
a member of the Orthodox Church.
Speaker 4: Schooling of.
Speaker 2: No attending the services and going through what's called a catechumenate.
Speaker 30: Yeah, and that is what the deacons.
Speaker 4: The elders.
Speaker 2: You mean making the decision. Yes, well, yeah, there's there's
priests and deacons and then so basically a person first
inquires and then they go through a process of being
a catech human for anywhere from six months to three years,
depending upon what priests and deacons determine correct.
Speaker 30: And what sort of quality is that these people do
they filter out?
Speaker 4: Are there any.
Speaker 2: Well? Usually in that time period, they're just looking to
see if you really do want to be in the
church and you are serious about learning it and keeping
to it's you know, teachings.
Speaker 23: So okay, what about it's the quality of the people
that they're actually getting involved.
Speaker 30: Is it mostly in these kind of liberal non denominational
churches that they just do that and kind of make
sure you're conformative enough, or do they have some sort
of deeper framework to actually vet the men who are
becoming involved.
Speaker 2: Are you talking about just joining the church, people going
into the ministry.
Speaker 4: People actually becoming part of the ministry.
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's very strict. I mean that doesn't mean
that there can't be you know, still evil people, but
it's it's more strict than anywhere else.
Speaker 31: That's that's what I'm interested though.
Speaker 4: How are how is this Ether Eastern.
Speaker 9: Orthodox mythology.
Speaker 4: Preventing the wolves among sheep?
Speaker 2: Well, again, there's no perfect system, because there can always
be people who maybe even begin good and then turn evil.
So there is no perfect system, but it has the
strictest canonical prescriptions on who can and cannot be a
member of the priesthood.
Speaker 9: Could you elaborate on that a little bit deeper.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just all kinds of things, for example,
that can disqualify you from being a priest if you
were you know, if you had a criminal background, if
you were abusive to your spouse, or I mean, there's
all kinds of things that can disqualify you. Okay, well, look,
what I would suggest is, if you're interested in this topic,
there's a great documentary that is a good introductory documentary.
It's called The Icon. It's a seven part documentary. I
would say go check that out. James Beaty White, what's
up man?
Speaker 9: Hello? Can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 9: Awesome.
Speaker 31: So this is not exactly theologically oriented.
Speaker 9: So I do apologize. That's okay.
Speaker 32: I am in university and my brothers and so people
at university and my brothers they're like dug in on
like Andrew tap manosphere, and I'm just curious from you,
what are the strongest arguments I can make to you know.
Speaker 6: Because when someone comes up to with this nonsense, I.
Speaker 24: Want to I don't want to just say oh, he's bad, because.
Speaker 9: You know, I want to.
Speaker 6: Actually have reasonable reasons to say this is false.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the manosphere only goes so far in
terms of like critique. Okay, so I critiques feminism, but
what's the positive that it's providing after the critique? So
basically it's just going to say what stack stack cheddar
stack crypto and try to get laid like that's all
there is to it. So it's just based a hedonistic
response to a problem in society, and you can't really
solve that level of a problem, which obviously you know,
feminism all this stuff is like a massive problem with
limited hedonism, right, So how is that going to fix anything,
solve anything? I mean, you can take measure and be
you know, careful and restrictive for your personal life in
terms of like, you know, if I'm going to start
dating a girl, I want to know, you know, as
much as I can about her background. I want to
know what the likelihood is of her, you know, I
don't know, trying to steal money and be a gold digger, right, Like,
you can take all these precautions or whatever, But I
just don't think Islam or hedonism is going to be
a solution to real problems. And at the same time,
I'm starting to think that more and more the quote
red pill stuff in terms of the movement, not the
individual arguments or critiques or positions they're being debated, but
the move of the red pill in terms of the
influencers I think is probably going to turn more and
more in the direction of pushing Islam. Maybe not, maybe
it won't go in that direction, but that's what I suspect.
And so because a lot of these people and influencers
are pushing what they're pushing based on funding, I don't
have proof of who's funding or pushing a lot of
the stuff that's out there, and obviously there's individual grifters
and all this kind of stuff, but I do think
that there's probably some Islamic push in the background, and
that makes sense with where they're trying to move these things,
and so probably they're going to try to say, after
you know, years of that, they're going to say, well, look,
I guess you know, look straight up, hedonism isn't gonna
work the solutions Islam. But I'm I'm speculating here, slow boy,
can you hear me? Yeah, what's up?
Speaker 9: What's up? Man?
Speaker 29: Not that you need to defense at all, but the
guy earlier saying that you like, you don't have converts
going to the church because you know.
Speaker 4: You're lying or something.
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm I came out.
Speaker 29: I was born into onest Pentecostal, went into Calvinism, and
then now I'm in an Antiochian church because of the
type of arguments you give against Catholicism and Protestantism. So
and there's actually another guy in the church that I
went to with Pashka last night, and he came out
of shamanism and a whole bunch of other stuff because
of you as well.
Speaker 4: So it's kind of the dude's.
Speaker 29: Just like blatantly just trying to talk over you and
just trying to spew out shit.
Speaker 4: So it makes sense.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, it's like many
of you guys have been to our live events, and
we don't have thousands of people at a live event.
We get anywhere from one hundred to one hundred and twenty.
But we've done many live events in the last several years.
And if you tally that up together with what people
like Father Whitford, or what Father Josiah or what Father
Moses and all these people are saying, and yes, it's cumulative.
I'm not saying, oh, it's all just me. I know,
you know what we've been doing here has resulted since
twenty eighteen. I mean, there's twelve thousand people in the
discord alone, right, and I don't spend a lot of
time in there, but that was my discord, and me
and Kai and Lewis and all the other mods and
David helped build that up, and they all converted back
in the twenty seventeen sixteen era phase. And there's been
waves of this for almost eight or nine years. The
channel has one hundred and sixty thousand subscribers. You could
calculate that at least some portion of that are people
who converted to Orthodoxy, which would be in the thousands,
and so I can extrapolate from everyone else's testimonies to
their churches, catechumen and growth that yeah, of course it
is at least in the thousands. But that's not just me.
That's cumulative. It's also other you know, Father Moses' channel
just popped off to he's got like over one hundred
thousand subscribers. Andrew's channel has grown, right, Father Josiah's channel
is large, you know. So it's like, of course there's
a lot of people converting Orthodoxy and then he just
dismisses it. I don't go, shit, well, but you said
that there weren't these people converting, and then when I
tell you now you don't care. Right, It's just like
there's something that dude's got something off. There's something wrong
with that dude. I don't know what set him off.
Because if we want to talk about, let's talk about
the razor fit situation. Because all it was was me again,
just simply asking him for a debate, so very simple
for ever everybody knows, Like, because I know that a
lot of these people are gonna have meltdowns, I intentionally
keep the questions simple and brief. In the DMS would
you like to debate, and I'll show you what here was.
This was his reply. Look at this insanity. Your calo,
he means cal I don't think he knows that the
word callous is not the word callo. Right, your callo
attempts to draw viewership by turning Christianity to combat sport
as a shy side show. I harbor nothing but contempt
for you and by you by my anger. But my
anger burns compared to what the Lord prescribes for those
who mock him. I mean, it was this guy drunk
last night when he's posting this. This is precisely what
you have done. I refuse to be complicit in your profanation.
You should be a same ashamed of yourself. I hope
you repent. Like this is like weird. People need to study,
like the meltdowns that I get just for a simple text.
Would you like to do a formal debate? And I
asked him a specific topic? He was like, you never
gave me a specific topic. No, I actually gave you
a list. In fact, I'll show you the list because
I posted it. So again, just it's weird that people
will be dishonest about stuff that there's receipts. Right Like,
he's like, you never told me a topic to debate,
specifically said because he talked smack against Orthodox right. He's like,
Orthodox are a bunch of bearded idiots and all this
kind of stuff. And he says they reject all the
church fathers in the West. I was like, what are
you talking about? That's not even true. Here we go.
Razorfist says, you are challenging every pundit who remotely disagrees
with you. No, no, no, you talk smack about Orthodoxy. Hi,
I'm father beard Man. Today I'm going to explain you
that I can save the West by converting to an
Orthodox offshoot of Christianity that rejects every Western church father
from Augustine to Ambrose. First of all, august and Ambrose
are contemporary, so his comment is idiotic. And here is
the DM. Would you like to publicly debate your claim?
This was your claim? But he says, you never actually
gave me something to debate or disagree with them? Right,
he says, you're Orthrow bro vouch, which is preposterous. But
what is it that you actually agree with? What must
be proven? I was very specific the first time, so
after I proved that he was not sign the truth.
Then he had this DM meltdown at me, right, So
that was three times, three separate times, specifically offering him
specific topics, and he's not telling you the truth. He's lying.
He's saying, you never told me a specific topic. And
by the way, you're a complete piece of human garbage.
Like it's weird. Like that's like just the attitude and
the reactions of these people is so bizarre to me,
Like that I just don't understand, because it's the same
with Calvin Robinson, same with him and some other guy
that was up here. It's like, all I do is
send a simple message saying, would you like to have
a formal debate. We can do it moderated or conversational,
and then you get meltdowns as wild Greg Bobby c
five dollars by her logic, New Year's Eve is a
celebration of the pagan worship of Janice. Exactly what's up, Greg,
and what's going on?
Speaker 9: Jay?
Speaker 33: So I have a question that I'd like to get
your perspective on and see if you're able to reconcile.
So in Matthew twenty four, verse thirty, it says that
the coming of the Son of Man would occur, and
that his audience would see.
Speaker 4: The coming of the Son of Man.
Speaker 33: In Verse thirty four states all those things will take
place before the passing of that generation.
Speaker 2: Let's called preterism. I've argued for it, done many videos
on it. So that's seventy eight. He came in judgment,
just like Ezekiel and Isaiah says that God coming in
judgment on the clouds against Egypt or against God Israel's
enemies is a coming, sure, and.
Speaker 4: I don't have any problem with that.
Speaker 33: My challenge, however, to you, is how do you, or
even anyone else, for that matter, postulates a yet future.
Speaker 4: Coming of the Lord?
Speaker 33: If that coming to the Lord that Jesus mentioned in
Matthew twenty four was fulfilled in eighty.
Speaker 2: Seventy did you not call in recently about this very
same subject matter? Do we not already have this conversation.
Speaker 33: I don't know what recent is, because I haven't talked
to you about this.
Speaker 4: I tried to.
Speaker 2: Ask, you don't know what recent is?
Speaker 33: I mean, well, I mean because if you mean recent,
maybe six months ago.
Speaker 4: I tried to call in.
Speaker 33: And we didn't have a lengthy conversation. He just booted
me out, but with recent as like a last month, no,
or two months?
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, there was a guy who asked the exact
same question maybe two weeks ago, so I thought maybe
that was you. But yeah, I believe in a double fulfillment.
Just like in the Maccabees, you have a double fulfillment
for the profanation of the temple under the Maccabees that
Jesus says the desolation is seventy eight? So is that two?
Is that two things.
Speaker 9: Of the Maccabean revolved.
Speaker 2: The profi nation of the temple under the Maccabees, that's
called the abomination? So is that too? Is that too? Okay?
So it's possible for these to be mirrored.
Speaker 33: Uh, you know, I believe that there's a possibility of
dual fulfillment.
Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a dual fulfillment of the removal of
the tabernacle of the entire universe because the time was
a symbol of the tabernacle of the universe according to
Hebrews seven. That hasn't happened yet.
Speaker 33: Now so now here, here's here's my contention, Because if
we're gonna say that dual fulfillment is possible, right.
Speaker 2: You just admitted it was no, no, and I agree.
Speaker 4: I agree, But why not?
Speaker 33: Why can someone not say tri fulfillment or quad fulfillment.
Speaker 2: Because the eschatological removal of the universe a lah Hebrews
and what the temple signified would would by definition be
the eschatological final one. There wouldn't be a third one.
Speaker 9: Okay.
Speaker 4: So and this is where we have agreement, is that
there's only two. Now here's my problem.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're you just asserted that the thing that
is not clear. You said there's only two, meaning that
you think it's just seventy eight D. I just got
you to admit that it's possible. Where was the removal
of the universe and it's tabernacle?
Speaker 4: Are you talking about it in eighty seventy?
Speaker 2: That was the removal? That was the removal of the temple.
Where was the removal of Where was the removal of
what the temple symbolized.
Speaker 4: So that that was them?
Speaker 2: Where what does the temple symbolize Heaven and Earth? Where
was the removal of heaven and earth?
Speaker 4: But that's what you're not understanding.
Speaker 2: Now I do understand. I know what full Preterism says,
and I'm getting you to point out to understand that
the removal of the temple is signifying, according to Hebrews,
the removal of the literal physical cosmos, the heavens and
the earth.
Speaker 33: But that that's presupposing that it's referring to the literal
heaven and earth.
Speaker 9: My gosh.
Speaker 2: So if the temple, if the temple is a symbol
of the heavens and the earth, and the temples destroyed,
that's a prophetic prediction of the destruction of the thing
that it signifies.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was removed under the Babylon. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2: Just what was removed?
Speaker 4: The temple by neb was already destroyed.
Speaker 2: The temple in Jesus's day, the one that he calls
the the abomination of desolation, the one that Hebrews is
referring to. Hebrews is not referring to Nebicaneseer's temple. Hebrews
is not referring to Nebucaneser era temple. Why are you
getting madgic and now you're changing the subject to make
it personal. Is Hebrews referring to Nebucaneseer's simple Is Hebrews
referring to nobicaneseer, simple, where is Hebrews referring to Nebucaneser's temple.
Speaker 4: Is referring to the temple in eight?
Speaker 2: Correct? And that signified what you already admitted, the heavens
and the earth?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 2: Yes, right? So when was the destruction of the heavens
and the earth the thing the temple stands for?
Speaker 9: All?
Speaker 2: Right, exactly? This is why I booted you, because this
is so stupid. Oh my gosh, there's the genius of
full preterism, folks, the guys who believe that the Bali
resurrection already happened. There you go. You see that the
thing that it signifies was fulfilled when it was destroyed.
Imagine being this stupid wid seth.
Speaker 9: Hey, how's it going.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 9: Hi?
Speaker 31: I'm a Protestant and I like to be pannon.
Speaker 2: Okay, have time?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 26: Yeah, So I read that book you recommended, The Formation
of Cannon.
Speaker 9: By by Lee.
Speaker 26: Martin McDonald's and yeah, I was surprised about you know
how liberal he was actually, and and yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, well F F. Bruce is a conservative and he
says a lot of the same stuff, so does yours.
Love of Pelican.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand that.
Speaker 2: Have you well, have you read those books?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You read all those books.
Speaker 9: Yes, I read Bruce's book. I read Martin McDonald's book.
I read Krueger's.
Speaker 4: Book on the canon and Pelican.
Speaker 31: Not Pelicanya No, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 26: Anyways, I just don't think that they put all the
pieces together and so they give a good data.
Speaker 2: Well all they all I'm getting right, But all I'm
getting from them is that they admit this crucial role
of tradition, and that pretty much ends Protestant them.
Speaker 4: I don't think so necessarily.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, good, so tell me why, yeah.
Speaker 9: Yeah, sure.
Speaker 31: Uh well, so solo scripture isn't against tradition.
Speaker 2: It's just that I know what you think.
Speaker 16: I know.
Speaker 26: Yeah, well you asked me to tell you some somehow
to tell you. But uh so, solo scriptura isn't against tradition.
It's just saying, scriptures our highest authority. So tradition is
an authority, it's just not a infallible authority.
Speaker 2: Do the do the apostles consider their verbal preaching the
word of God?
Speaker 9: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay? Is that binding?
Speaker 9: Yes? It's binding?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay.
Speaker 26: We don't have any oral teaching from them. It's not
containing scripture. How do you know that, Uh, there's no evidence.
Speaker 2: Well no, you're saying that, but I mean the Orthodox Church,
the Roman Catholic Church, believes that there is evidence of that.
So how do you prove that there is no evidence
of that?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 26: Because well it's more so lack of evidence. That's the
reason why. Okay, well he doesn't understand why that the
Roman Catholic Church in Eastern Orthoxy claim that they do
have tradition outside of scripture.
Speaker 31: But but just their belief doesn't prove that.
Speaker 2: I didn't say that the belief and it did. I'm
saying that we believe that there is that, and I
want to know how you know that that doesn't exist.
Speaker 26: Yeah, well I'm well, first of all, I'm saying it's
possible it exists, but we just don't have any evidence
of it.
Speaker 2: How do you know that there's no evidence when I
can give you the tradition of liturgical historians who talk
about the Apostolic liturgies that are not found in the scriptures.
Speaker 26: Yeah, those liturgies exist, but we can't prove that they
go back to the Apostles in the exact same way
with all the hotels.
Speaker 2: Can we prove that Matthew wrote Matthew's Gospel.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can have high confidence in that.
Speaker 2: But no, no, how do you prove that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's through the church fathers.
Speaker 2: Uh, that's tradition. That's an Apostolic.
Speaker 4: Tradition, and tradition does not contradiction.
Speaker 2: You just said that there's not Apostolic traditions, and now
you're admitting that there is one that Matthew wrote Matthew.
Speaker 26: No, I'm saying there's no Apostolic tradition outside of the
teaching of scripture.
Speaker 2: What about the authorship of Matthew.
Speaker 26: Yes, yes, the authorship of Matthew is outside of scripture,
thank you.
Speaker 31: Not infallible, but it's not an infallible teaching.
Speaker 2: Well, you're you can assert that, but it refutes your
previous claim that there's not Apostolic tradition outside of the Gospels.
And I gave you the example of Matthew's authorship, which
now you're saying it is, so you contradicted yourself.
Speaker 26: No, I'm saying there is, you know, an Apostolic tradition
outside of scripture.
Speaker 2: You said that there's no evidence for that, there's no
proof for that. You just contradicted yourself by saying that
the authorship of Matthew is an Apostolic tradition. No, no,
I said, yes you did.
Speaker 31: Oh no, I said that there is tradition outside of Scripture.
Speaker 2: Like Matthew's authorship.
Speaker 31: Yes, but that's not an infallible tradition.
Speaker 2: Now you've moved the goalpost because you're inserting the word
infallible that was never part of it. Is it an
Apostolic tradition outside of scripture? Is it an apostolture?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 2: Stop trying to change the subject when you just contradict yourself. Man,
is it or not?
Speaker 24: Is it or not?
Speaker 2: No, don't hold on.
Speaker 5: Is it or not?
Speaker 2: It's a simple question. Either it's apisoltic tradition or it's not.
I don't care about infallible. Yeah you said it, Okay,
you could call that. Two minutes ago you said there's
no evidence for extra normanta or extra biblical Apostolic tradition.
So you just contradicted yourself.
Speaker 4: Well, maybe I should have made myself more clear, or.
Speaker 2: Maybe you just shouldn't have contradicted.
Speaker 26: Well, no, I don't think I contradicted because I I didn't.
Speaker 2: No, you didn't qualify it to where you can get
out of the contradiction. You said that there are no
apostolic traditions that we have any evidence for or proof for.
You literally just contradicted yourself with the authorship of Matthew
two minutes later.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't get a chance to qualify myself, and.
Speaker 2: So maybe so because it's a country, you can't qualify
yourself out of a contradiction.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think it's a contradiction.
Speaker 2: I know you don't think that, but everybody heard you contradict.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think it's a contradiction.
Speaker 2: How is it not a contradiction when it's literally the
reverse of the previous statement? Because I think myself, how
is qualifying it going to get you out of a
proposition and its negation? The entire chat, the entire chat
believes that you contradicted yourself. So how do you get
out of it?
Speaker 26: And I'll explain a few of me. Okay, So my
argument is, yes, there is addition outside.
Speaker 2: Yes, did you claim that there is no evidence? You
said there's no evidence of that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I said there's no evidence of infallible.
Speaker 2: Bind No, no, now you're changing infallible. The question was Apostolic tradition, Okay,
whether you think it's infallible or whether you think it's infallible.
I said, do you think that the Apostles believed that
their oral traditions were the word of God? And you
said yes. I said, are they binding? You said they
would be, But we don't have any of that. There's
no evidence of that. Two minutes later, you said that
there is apostolic tradition of the Fathers that Matthew wrote, Matthew,
that's a contradiction because now you're saying there is evidence
of Apostolic tradition outside of the scriptures. It doesn't matter.
You can deflect into whether it's infallible or fallible. That
has nothing to do with the proposition. There is no evidence,
there is evidence. That is a contradiction, and I'm not
going to listen to you lie about what you said. Henry.
Speaker 4: Hey, j how's it going, man, what's on your mind? Hey?
Speaker 18: So, I'm glad I'm finally able to talk to you, buddy.
So earlier you were talking about the history of Pentecostalism,
and I actually have kind.
Speaker 4: Of dug into this a little bit. Excuse me, And.
Speaker 18: I really hope that there's some people who believe in
the tongue speaking stuff that's still listening because their own
writers admit that at first the tongue speaking stuff was
legitimate languages. So you know, you were talking earlier about
Charles parm Right, So he this dud's wild man. So
first of all, he leaves Bible College because he thought
that you know, edimication would separate him from the hoest spirit.
And so then he opens up a Bible College down
in Kansas in like eighteen or late eighteen nineties, and
he specifically teaches that he can evoke the Holy Spirit
to have a second Pentecost Wow where his people can
learn legitimate languages. Okay, so a bunch of people join
and he goes through this whole rigamarole. He sends these
people out like he thinks they've taught him and all
this stuff, and I'll give you a reference for this
here in a minute. And so they all go out,
and obviously we all know what happens. None of these
people learn, you know, can speak to the you know,
Chinese and you know, Vietnamese and wherever they're going. So
then it's after the fact that he says, oh, well,
you know, actually it's you know, gobbledegook angel language.
Speaker 4: And there's actually a really good.
Speaker 18: Book on this by a Pentecostal pastor who freely admits
all this stuff. It's it's Larry Martin, and it's the
Topeka the Topeka Outpouring, and he freely admits this stuff.
And then the funny thing is is that he gets
his Bible College closes and then after the fact, you
know who comes calling is William J. Seymour and Parham
actually ordains quote well, I mean quote unquote ordains William
Seymour and then he goes off.
Speaker 4: And then the Zusus Street Revival happens.
Speaker 18: So this whole thing about you know, I'm a speaking
an angel language, you know, it's all nonsense. They didn't
even believe that. And the book that I mentioned actually
has the Bethel Bible College, that's the name of the college.
It has their stuff in it where they're specifically talking
about evoking the Holy Spirit to learn a language, just
as the Apostles did at Pentecost. It was never an
angel language or anything like that. And and even their
own people admit this, But I mean, like, you know,
these people don't even know their own history you know.
And I dug into this because I have family that
are Pentecostals, right and you know, dude, it's called I mean,
it really is, you know, because you bring this stuff
up and they get all pissed off at you and they're, oh, well,
you know, how do you know that's true?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, bro, these are your people right now.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. That's very helpful. I had no
idea about any of that.
Speaker 18: Yeah, it's wild, man, it's but uh yeah, it's Larry
Martin the Topeka Outpouring of.
Speaker 4: Nineteen oh one.
Speaker 18: It's it's I mean, it's it's a it's a quick read,
but I mean it's got firsthand witness accounts. It's got
their own writings from Bethel Bible College, it's got Charles
Parham's writings, and it like it's I mean, and they.
Speaker 4: Freely admit all this stuff. So I just wanted to
bring it up.
Speaker 18: I know you talked about it earlier, man, and you know,
I know it was a debate, but you know, I appreciate.
Speaker 2: No, it's a you can you can call in and
contribute information like that. I appreciate that, Henry. That was
a really good point. I mean, I did not know
a lot of that history of that of that group.
Now again, when people call in and it's informal open
chat and you contradict, I will boot you because I
see that as a as a dishonest form of debate
and engagement. And the guy literally said that there is
no evidence for extra biblical Patristic tradition. Doesn't matter whether
you think it's binding or not right, there's no evidence.
Two minutes later, he says, Matthew wrote Matthew's Gospel. We
know that from Patristic tradition and testimony. That's a contradiction. Guys,
those are two contradictory claims by his own admission. And
if he had said, okay, you're right, fair point, I
did contradict there. You know, if you keep doubling down
and not answering the questions, then that's when I boot
and move on. It's that simple. And to the full
preterist guy, it took me three times asking him the
question about is Hebrews talking about Nebucannezer's temple? Obviously not, Okay,
then what is it pointing to? He admitted, it's pointing
to the destruction of the heavens and the Earth. Then
its destruction is a foreshadowing of the destruction of the
heavens in the earth. Yeah, but it already happened. When
did that happen? When the temple was destroyed? Uh, heavens
and Earth are not destroyed. There's no conflagration yet. What's
up man?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 34: I know you have like five thousand videos on TAG
and I don't know if I watch all of them,
but I watched. I watch pretty much every single one
I can find. I just have a few questions about it.
Speaker 2: It's not TAG Day, so it's specifically it's okay, specifically
listed as the topics, and it's evangelicalism, charismaticism, Calvinism, Catholicism.
It's not TAG Day. But maybe next time, Saint Strengths.
What's up man?
Speaker 4: Hello?
Speaker 9: Yeah, well's up?
Speaker 4: Jay?
Speaker 35: I appreciate bringing me up here. My happy Eastern to you.
And I recently discovered your channel and I really enjoy
your content. And I had a question. Uh, I'm from Iran,
I'm Persian and I was atheists, and I had I
don't want to make it long my story my testimony,
so I pretty much had a very spiritual encounter with
Jesus I have visions of him, and I pretty much
got driven into the Christianity, Christian lifestyle, and Jesus really
did change my life.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing I'm really interested in.
Speaker 35: In the Eastern Orthodox Church, but in Iran you cannot
convert to Christianity because.
Speaker 9: There's a death penalty for it. There's literally a death penalty.
Speaker 35: Like if I if I announce that I'm Christian, I
would be dead. They would probably prison me, they'll probably
rasse my family.
Speaker 9: They would do all of that.
Speaker 4: So I I.
Speaker 35: Know in the Eastern Orthodox Church you have to be
baptized to enter the Kingdom of heavens.
Speaker 2: Well, no, I don't. I mean if you so, if
you are not able to get to baptism, it's not
your fault. We're not. I mean, there is baptism of
desire and the church is always held to that. So no,
you would not be liable for something that was not
under your control. Now, if you're able to move and
leave the country, maybe that's the way out of it,
or you know, maybe even a secret baptism could be
a range or something like that. But no, if if
it's under no fault of your own, you're not it's
just like in the church, a cate human who's murdered. Uh,
you know, we still consider them part of the church.
So no, you're doing good man. That's that's good to
hear and uh, you know that's awesome.
Speaker 3: Actually, uh, let's see.
Speaker 2: Saw Heil. Oh, here we go. I'm you.
Speaker 4: Oh what's up, Jock?
Speaker 21: Hey, So I know you probably heard like the cleave
to antiquity guy. Yeah, he said, like he was posting
on his YouTube page about like if canons can change,
like but being reinterpreted by a priest or bishop based
on the area.
Speaker 2: That's the same guy. So it's the same guy that
he'ps making the one follower. Okay, it's like it's like
he so from now on, I'm just gonna check and
if you have one follower, I'm not gonna go to you.
So that's the new rule here flow zoos fifty dollars.
She wanted it to be true without logic or facts
that could penetrate what she was thinking. Thank you for
trying to keep doing what you're doing. You're a warrior.
It's scary how illogical that person was. Christ has risen.
Uh yeah, I mean people have a hard time I
guess thinking about flowing. Mute man, what's up about language?
Speaker 4: What's up?
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?
Speaker 9: And real quick, you're you can take a couple of
hot takes.
Speaker 2: You're right, okay about what's I mean?
Speaker 4: Are you? Are you familiar with Christian identity?
Speaker 2: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man, So so that's the faith I believe in.
Speaker 9: I'm a firm believer in Christian identity.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're laughing, So you're not serious. I don't know,
like to shoot o, what's up? What yep?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 9: So me and my wife just got baptized yesterday and Holy.
Speaker 2: Saturday many years, many years.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 26: That Scott guy is definitely uh, just a phony.
Speaker 4: It's just a weirdo.
Speaker 9: And he's so run because our.
Speaker 13: Church just broke the record for the amount of baptisms
and transmations.
Speaker 4: How many this is like twenty.
Speaker 2: Okay, and where's this or you don't never mind, you
don't have to say where.
Speaker 26: Yeah, and then so this is happening across the whole nation.
Speaker 2: I know, So I got I mean, I talk to
people every day.
Speaker 26: Like, yeah, this is global, Like this is not a game.
Speaker 9: This is is just awesome.
Speaker 16: But yeah, I just want to tell you that you've been.
Speaker 4: A big part of our conversion.
Speaker 13: And we're having a baby boy coming up pretty soon
and we're naming him, uh after Basil m awesome.
Speaker 2: That's a good name, man, many years to you. Man,
appreciate that. That's good to hear. Nachene. Oh, we had
a lot of farah wild people today. My patience has
been tested. But I'm trying. What's up? Man?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 24: What up?
Speaker 21: Jay?
Speaker 9: Can you hear me? All right? So you used to
be Protestant? Right yeah?
Speaker 4: And how did you go?
Speaker 9: Like so you pray to Mary?
Speaker 4: Right now?
Speaker 2: We asked for Mary's intercession?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, how did you come?
Speaker 27: Because how did you get to feeling okay about that?
Because I'm looking I'm looking into Orthodoxy because I believe
in the tradition like they have the historical Church.
Speaker 9: From what I believe. Right.
Speaker 2: Well there, I've got a video on it and that
would probably be what I recommend because it took me.
It did take me a little while to get used
to it. It's called what is the Basis for the
Veneration of Saint Mary? And this was a reply to
Isabella de Luca who was posting stuff against you know,
Marion whatnot. By the way, anybody with like one follower,
you might you're wasting your time. I'm not going to
go to you if you're coming up with uh one follower.
So check out that video right there. What's up man? Yep,
what's on your mind? A. J.
Speaker 4: Christ is risen?
Speaker 2: Truly he has risen?
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, I just wanted to come in on what
Scott was saying. I mean, there's tons of people who
have been edified by the lectures that you give, so
I mean, it's just flat out wrong.
Speaker 4: I was one of them, so I appreciate.
Speaker 2: That you were what one of them?
Speaker 18: I was?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was one of them. Okay, cool, that's great.
Speaker 8: I just if I if I may ask a question,
can ask a question about.
Speaker 9: Like politics? Is that all right?
Speaker 2: You can't, it's not really the topic today, but so,
you know, I just want people to know that, uh,
you know, just on can't even find the They didn't
put my name in it, which is kind of shitty.
But if you look up Fresh and Fit is lom
debate just on YouTube, it has a million views. Now
to love your neighbors, So let's take into account what
that guy said. No one cares, nobody listens to debates.
Just on YouTube. This has over a million views and
if you read the comments, you can see thirty seven
thousand comments and ninety eight percent of them are against Islam. Now,
in the last few years, that's I think the biggest
of the Muslim Christian debates. Now that's just here. There
was also nine hundred thousand on X of the same debate.
There's three hundred thousand ish or so on Rumble. The
clips alone are about another million views on this debate
with the Muslims on all the clips channels, So we
could extrapolate that anywhere from three to four million people
saw some of this debate, with at least almost forty
thousand people commenting that Islam was refuted. Now, I'm not
bragging because I didn't lead this debate. Shremoon was taking
the lead in this debate. I did contribute some good points,
but I helped set up this debate, So this wouldn't
have happened if I had not set it up with Myron.
And the idea that like this type of a thing
doesn't affect people is insane.
Speaker 4: It's insane.
Speaker 8: Well, and to that point, I mean, it can be Islam,
it can be agnosticism. I mean I was agnostic, and
I had a really bad interpretation of Christianity from you know,
the hypocrisy of Protestantism in Roman Catholics. I had no
idea Orthodox even existed. So it's like, if it wasn't
for the discourse being had, right, I mean, I wouldn't
have even known. And I'm sure a lot of other
people feel that way.
Speaker 9: As well.
Speaker 8: The thing I guess that I had to ask related
it relates to religion too.
Speaker 4: It's about online being.
Speaker 8: Kind of essential at this point in modernity for people
to come to the church in a lot of respects,
and maybe not the only way, but I think if
you look.
Speaker 9: At a lot of the young men.
Speaker 8: Attending the Orthodox Church, now, I mean I'm a cadaculum
on one of them as well, but I see a
lot of other young men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean online, I've been people. You go look
at my Instagram. I've been in pictures coast to coast,
like multiple times with a lot of people. Not thousands
of people, but I'm saying extrapolating out I can tell
you that it is probably in the thousands at least,
because look, let's just look right here, and this is
just on the muzzle like fourteen thousand people like the
comment the internet was the worst thing that could have
happened to Islam, right, there.
Speaker 8: A lot of engagement, So, I mean, it's definitely true.
I mean I was having a conversation in Jimbob's discord
about how, you know, a lot of people don't really
realize that the online debates base a lot of this
stuff getting sorted out is if it didn't exist and
people weren't fighting on the front lines of the Internet.
I mean, imagine how many people wouldn't have come to
the church.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Yeah, Well thanks man, I appreciate that. Good comments,
and again like, yes, I did. I understand that God's
providence is a key thing here. Obviously, Divine grace is
a key thing here. And it's not just me, it's
many people now together and what we you know, the
funny thing was that what we said we would do
in the beginning of the discord was we wanted to
train a bunch of guys that were able to to
do the types of things that we do over here.
And that's what we did. And so we got Orthodox
Shahada out of that, We got David Rhan's channel out
of that, right, FDA has his channel and his conference
out of that, okay, and these things are happening all
the time. Right, all of this just came out of
that twelve thousand member discord, and these all of these
these large Islamic debates also came out of that miliu. Right.
It was basically Lewis and Kai were the pioneers of
all this. I didn't even think about Islam. Islam was
not on my radar. Lewis and Kai were telling me
years ago, you might as well get ready and prepared
to debate Islam. And I'm like, why is that? Because
it's everywhere in the UK and it's coming to a
theater near you. And that was absolutely right. They were
telling me that in twenty seventeen. So we started preparing
for that, the invasion of Islam into the West. And
here we are twenty twenty five, and that's exactly where
we are. Now. Come over here to my channel and
these aren't even that big, but we did. Jake the
muscle metaphysician, that's hundreds of thousands of views between different channels,
Me and Daniel Hoikikachu. That's hundreds of thousands of views
between different channels. Me versus shaik asra Rashid. To my knowledge,
it's only on one channel, so that was one hundred
thousand views. But he is a shake so he was
pretty prominent. Doctor Shabiro Lee debate one hundred and twenty
thousand views, and that's just my channel. It was also
on other channels as well. And then I don't see
the Paul Williams debate, but that one has I don't know,
around eighty thousands something like that. So again you think
all that, so what who cares? Well, that's not even
counting all of the clips views, the clips channels, the archive.
I'm forgetting all the different clip channels. Many of those
clips channels have gotten hundreds of thousands of views, particularly
the Muslim lantern debate, So everybody forget like the Muslim
lantern sneak O debate. That one got between Rumble YouTube
and the clips channels probably anywhere from seven hundred eight
hundred thousand views. So again this is hundreds of thousands
of people seeing Islamic debates and seeing Muslims not do
very well, you see, and that has an effect? Is
that going to save Western civilization? Now? I never claimed that,
and I didn't claim that four million people converted. I
said four million people Ish watched the debate. I have
no idea how many people converted out of Islam, because
a lot of country, like you heard that Persian guy
calling in, a lot of people in Islamic countries see
these videos and they started out Islam, but they don't.
There's nothing they can do because their country won't let
them convert, as that guy was pointing out, So they
just kind of have to be secret, you know, baptism
of desire people, which if that's all they can do,
that's the best they can do. I don't think God's
going to hold you liable for things that were not
your fault. And by the way, as far as I
could tell, I think they actually pulled the Muslim lantern
debate from Rumble because that's Sneako's main platform, and unless
I just couldn't find it, or they've titled it something different,
I was not able to see it. I couldn't see
it there. In other words, if you remember, after that debate,
the Muslims themselves shared a poll as to who won,
and the poll was seventy percent me, thirty percent Muslim Lantern,
which they didn't like that very much, so unless it's
just not there anymore. Oh, maybe this is it because
it was supposed to be Andrew, so it might be
this one. But it's not my name because Andrew popped
out and I popped in. Let's see if this is it. Yeah,
this is it? So it is. It is still there
with three hundred and fifty thousand views according to Rumble numbers.
But who knows if Rumble numbers are accurate. So it
is still there. It's just not my name. They just
left it as Andrew. But yeah, there you go. So
that's why I couldn't find it, because it's not my name.
But I don't think they're going to do me any favors.
So anyway, all right, let's see you next. All right,
so we got some Protestants popping up. I'm down to
do it. Let's do it. I do have to go
to the little girls room. I gotta go tt So
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