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Speaker 1: Their shouts of joy could be heard throughout the neighborhood.

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As the prayer meeting overflowed to the front porch, many

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curious neighbors gathered, and soon others begin speaking in tongues

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and praising God. The word spread rapidly by the next morning.

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Speaker 2: So again, none of this is speaking in tongues. It's

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just an assumption that gloss a lalia is glossa. It's not.

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One is gibberish, and one is known dialect, and in

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the New Testament it's known dialect a language. Like when

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it says that every tribe, tongue, and nation will confess

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Christ tongue language, it's literally like the lowest tier, just

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uneducated mistake that tongues is gibberish and not aknown language.

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And an argument from silence doesn't prove anything. Well, but

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it doesn't say that there wasn't mister, yeah. This passage

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also doesn't say that God didn't appoint a bunch of

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special nome bishops either, So it's possible. I mean, could

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God create nomes? Yeah? Does this pass just say that

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there weren't no bishops and X two? No, Well, then

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it's possible. So how do we know I mean, do

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you understand how dumb that like? Arguments from silence are

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so stupid? Man, Like, why would you think that there's

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non bishops? Well that's a sorry bro. Well yeah, but

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a transmission of an unknown language that no one knows

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to no one is also as dumb. No, Like, dude,

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I will believe in Nome Hyperborea before I believe that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Right, The crowd had grown so great that it was

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difficult to approach the house. The port became a poolpit

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as William Seymour began to preach to the crowd. This

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continued for three days and nights. It has been said

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that during this three day street service, the house shook

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under the exuberant praising of.

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Speaker 3: A hungry people.

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Speaker 1: Even on one occasion, the ports collapsed at the weight

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of all the people. Services continued, all.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 2: It's the signs from God, right, the ports collapsed, people

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were yapping and flopping and flipping and flapping. That's got

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to be even though Paul says God is not the

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other confusion, it's got to be of God, right. I mean,

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it's just like people put it this way. If you

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choose not to be educated and not to think rationally

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and critically. According to the laws of critical thinking, You're

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gonna be necessarily led by your emotions. And if you're

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controlled and run by your emotions, you're gonna be stupid.

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You're gonna make dumb decisions because the heart is deceitful

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above all else, as Jeremiah says, and you won't have discernment.

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You will follow your heart.

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Speaker 5: God's telling me that she's who I'm supposed to be with,

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even though I've been messaging her for fifty days straight

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and she won't answer none of my text messages. She's

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ghost to me, but God told me she was my woe. God,

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but I filtered.

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Speaker 4: She was the one. How come she's ghost to me?

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Speaker 6: Please text back?

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Speaker 5: Please text back?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 2: You see how silly that says? Well, I felt it.

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So you want to be run by your emotions and

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your feelings, You're gonna be an idiot. I'm just using

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an example of like evangelical goofballs with no game, they

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gonna learn the hard way. You're gonna get tuck Son.

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Speaker 1: You'd almost stay and night with healings reported and hundreds

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of people filled with this spirit.

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Speaker 2: How do we know that there was actual healings? At

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this damn shack that collapsed because a bunch of people's

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hooting and hollering. Who believes that? By the way, if

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you're a Roman Catholic, Oh wait a minute, I thought, Oh,

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hold on, miracles prove stuff. Oh I guess the Pentecostal

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is Zusa Street revival proves Pentecostals because they claim to

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have miracles. I'm there, we go. I mean maybe that

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is why Roman Catholics accept the charismatic movement, because they

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claim there. I mean, they believe anything else claim miracles. Hey,

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let me just start claiming miracles. There's orbs, dust orbs.

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Let's see if it gets the dust orbs. See if

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we get a oh, we got the Look it's a

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bat miracle. Look at that bat flying around. It's a miracle.

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Speaker 4: Per day.

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Speaker 1: It was determined that a new location was needed to

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house the growing crowd of seekers. William Seymour and his

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followers soon found a vacated two story church building. Previous

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used to stable horses, it had been converted into apartment houses.

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Speaker 4: On the downstairs, it's.

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Speaker 2: Address or this this emo music that's supposed to like

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move me like even the music's all emo, like it's

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a movie, Like is this supposed to move me?

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Speaker 2: A Zuzus Street? Now? The first thing I want to

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know is, wait a minute, were they even trinitarian? Because, like, guys,

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if you're a Pentecostal, a giant chunk of y'all are

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anti trinitarian, as you just heard that guy calling in,

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who was in a nice way surprised by the passages

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that talk about distinctions in the persons. Right, So let's

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see we're I'm just curious her because I don't actually

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know we're the Azusa Street Preachers people trinitarian? Okay, so

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they weren't modalists yet, it would be Actually, I don't

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actually know the history of Pentecostalism itself, so it would

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be interesting to see exactly when it started going modalist,

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at least the Pentecostal denomination. Does anybody know? I don't

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actually know the history of the one that's Pentecostals, So

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but anyway, it comes out of this, but I just

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don't know the exact history of it.

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Speaker 1: The revival at Azuza stretched from the early morning deep

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into the evening every day for three and a.

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Speaker 4: Half the years.

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Speaker 1: One woman described the services with the following words.

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Speaker 8: A sound like a rushing mighty wind filled the room,

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and I was baptized with the holy ghosts and fire

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Speaker 2: Okay, So here we go another woman claiming that she

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felt a bunch of wind. It could have just been

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somebody fartening all over, since they're all rolling around, I mean,

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how do we know this fart wind is supposed to

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be something divine? I felt the wind. Maybe it was

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Sister Susie breaking wind love divine flooding my soul.

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Speaker 8: God also gave me the Bible evidence of receiving this

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experience and letting me speak in another language.

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Speaker 2: So again, this is multiple just women claiming that they

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think they're speaking in other languages. This is the root

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of all the modern charismatic nonsense. Is women flip flopping

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and flapping around? By the way, is it a bunch

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of Is this a black church?

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Speaker 9: Like?

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Speaker 2: What is this church?

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Speaker 4: One?

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Speaker 2: This Pentecostalism in North America emerges in nineteen fourteen, stemming

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from a schism out of the assemblies of God. I

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didn't know that, also known as Apostolic Jesus name Pentecostalism

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arose from a nontrinitarian view the early origins of the

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Azusa Street. But Pentecostal preachers like R. E. Mccallus began

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to reject the Trinity. Okay, so that's what I'm interested

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in here, So this guy Andrew Ershan. In nineteen thirteen,

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an Apostolic Faith Worldwide camp meeting was held in up California.

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Thank you California for all these stupid heresies. A Canadian

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man named R. E. Mc callister preached a new revelation.

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Look at that, I got a new revelation. Now, look

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we automatically canceled this out, don't we. With my helpful

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point in my video, there's no new revelations. So if

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he preached a new revelation that you gotta be baptizing

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our name by Jesus only, so, then this causes a

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split in this new denomination in these tent meetings, and

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then we get a number of ministers claimed that they

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were then baptized in Jesus' name before nineteen fourteen, including

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Frank Small. Oh Man. You know, these people were like

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just the most backwoods just rubes. Charles Parham was recorded

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baptizing using a similar formula at Azuzah. Okay, so here's

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Azusa Street saying, oh, you got a baptize in that

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name j Jesus. Nineteen fourteen, Parham and Seymour baptized in

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this new formula, but they were not anti Trinitarian yet.

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way to baptize in just the name of Jesus. But

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they're not yet anti Trinitarian. But that's where it begins.

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the Pentecostal Assemblies of God or the Apostolic Faith Mission

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Church are God. By the way, we have if you're

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from the South, you see this stuff everywhere. This stupid stuff.

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Speaker 4: Is just.

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Speaker 2: It's all over the Bible Belt. Man, it's just sad.

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And then you got you see all these like four

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er pound women with the with the buns and the

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skirts I mean. And by the way, people that are

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not Bible Belt literate, they will mistake these for Amish

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and Mennonite ladies. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, very different because

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Amish and Mennonite ladies, although they have the same portly frame,

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you will not get anywhere were you a trashy Southern

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man trying to mac on them. However, one on this

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Pentecostal girls, they're known to be quite trashy. And we'll

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go all the way son past third base. I'm not

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speaking from experience. I never dated when I was in

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high school. All the one this Pentecostal girls were just

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like because they don't wear makeup, they don't cut their hair,

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and usually they're about two to three hundred pounds overweight.

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these girls. Now, this is a charitable photo. Okay, I

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never saw no one this girl's looking like that. That's

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a charitable photo. Let's find what I'm used to. This

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is about more of the norm here. Okay, I'm talking

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like homely as all get out. Here we go. This

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is your average oneness Bible belt woman right here. I'm

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talking rough, dude. I'm talking.

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Speaker 10: Uh Apostolic Pentecostal Women's there you go, Hey, Jamie, can

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Speaker 2: Me a coffee?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Jamie? Are you gonna grow your hair out like a

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one this Pentecostal woman? No, Now, look at this chick

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over here, she's got hair down to her feet.

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Speaker 11: Dude, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? See, look at that.

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Speaker 3: Look at that.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty awesome.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe just in terms of hair, but I can

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I can assure you they're not awesome. Can you imagine

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their drains in their shower? And see? Here we go,

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here's some here's some ladies right here. This is this

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is what I'm used to in the Bible Belt. This

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is are your average homely oneness lady is right here?

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You want to see it, Jamie's curious I'm talking about they. Look,

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you've been to Tennessee, you've been around at my hometown.

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What do you mean you've seen these ladies? Rough? Dude. Now,

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if you're hard up and you're trying to look for

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a girl, and you you a dumb Bible Belt boy,

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you're gonna get a lot farther with a Pentecostal girl

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than you're gonna get with an Amish or a Menna

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nite girl. I can tell you that right now. Son,

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Let's let's see if we can find us a good

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men of night girl over here in Tennessee.

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Speaker 5: Good old rocket up rocketdup.

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Speaker 2: Tanna See here's some men of night girls. But I

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can't I can't tell see what I can't see what

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they look like. This is a little unfair because so

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the pictures that I'm seeing they don't look that that rough.

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Menna night girls under about two hundred three hundred pounds,

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maybe four hundred three to four hundred pounds. So this

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to home here. Anyway, I'm being silly, I'm joking around.

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That's the origins of all this stuff, which I didn't know.

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The United Pentecostal Church and the Pentecostal assemblies became one

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single entity with about six million members. Wow, six million

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modalist Pentecostal goobers in the.

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Speaker 5: World or.

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Speaker 2: North America, I don't know. It doesn't say just as

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six million.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's that. I guess that's enough of the

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Azuza Street. Right, we got the basics of it. Let's

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go back to the calls because oh man, sways, what's up.

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Speaker 9: Hey, j Crin.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, just so, yeah, I just wanted to kind of

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Speaker 9: Talking about with the Muslim thing. At the beginning.

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no connection to history, so they don't understand, you know

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sure he's been blown up. But as far as what

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he said about the and this is why you reacted and.

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Speaker 9: You said, that's a lie. Orthodox people don't do that.

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so we can't get into the JQ thing too much.

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tax funded, legalized invasion of the West. Uh, there are

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a bunch of people who even have Orthodox icon like

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we were talking about last time as their picture and

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they're literally Muslims.

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Speaker 9: And like I literally.

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Speaker 12: Jumped in there and the moment I brought up that

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you know, Christians are not to unite with Muslims, I

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get shot down and muted.

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Speaker 9: And they're like all like they just cuss you out,

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like you want to dog.

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are creating fake Orthodox profiles literally.

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Speaker 12: And then there's even one guy. He has like one

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hundred and thirty eight polarists. I won't call him out

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by name, but it would be I would pay money

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Speaker 4: Talk to him.

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Speaker 2: Well why not, but we need to see who these

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fakes are.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, well so he's basically like a humanist.

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him of being Aunanist Orthodox Cannonist. But right after this conversation, interestingly,

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he changed his name from not being Orthodox Cannist anymore.

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Speaker 9: And it's always been that. So there's a lot of

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like fake ass.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, are you talking about the guy that well, hold on,

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he's not Muslim? You talking about the guy that's on

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World War now? Yeah, how is he fake?

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Speaker 13: Well?

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Speaker 12: No, he might he may be, Like so he and

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in these groups there's like three other people who are like,

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you cannot mention anything about Muslims or they will like

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mute you and.

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Speaker 9: Shut you down. And he he does.

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Speaker 4: He may.

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Speaker 9: I think he's like you know, born sometimes maybe like

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the converts.

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Speaker 2: You must you might be talking about somebody different. Orthodox

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Cannonist is not Arab and he's not pro Muslim. I've

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never seen him be pro Muslim in fact, like hold on.

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Speaker 9: He'll say, like we shouldn't be focusing hold.

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Speaker 2: On, he's in the chat. He's in the chat. So

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you're talking about Dimitri?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, like you should bring him up?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, you want to. It seems like he remember

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that we we can't talk about uh, you know, too

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much stuff that would you know, we're on YouTube. So Dmitri,

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do you want.

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Speaker 4: To come up the other?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: How would he be Muslim's names Dmitri and that that's

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a Russian name.

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Speaker 12: No, no, no, I'm not saying he's Muslim, But like he'll

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get into the minute shop when the Chechenians had to

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team up with the Orthodox and ignore all of the

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other historical times where we had to impale ten thousand

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of them, you know what I mean. And it just

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you know, probably has a lot of Muslim followers, so

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you won't really like talk about how we're not to

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you know, in my opinion, we shouldn't be aligning with

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Muslims because they have a false version of Christ.

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Speaker 9: And then the other two Orthodox.

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Speaker 12: People in the group wouldn't even say that Islam is

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an heretical cult from the seventh century, Like they wouldn't

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even even say that.

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of people like, well, who are

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the other people in the group You're not talking about Conrad.

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Conrad would say that no, no.

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Speaker 9: No, okay. So one of them's name was Doc and

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he has literally.

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Speaker 14: The as his as his uh like photo or whatever

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his PfP, and he's like, he'll scream at you and

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call you a dog if you say anything about Islam,

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and so well, anyways, my point is I didn't and

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I'll talk to Ernetria.

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Speaker 12: I'm down at disgusting because we talked for like an

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hour and a half. So I wasn't trying to like

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throw them under the bus, but I mean, I'll definitely

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stand up for what I'm saying. I think it's weird

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that they're like letting these Muslims kind of like it's

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the JQ thing.

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Speaker 9: So I don't want to get too deep into it,

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but you know, the destruction of the West through legalized.

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Speaker 12: Invasion and then it's all about like teaming up with

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the Muslims.

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Speaker 9: So I find your respect.

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Speaker 15: Switch Jay's streams are not a place for you to

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vent your schizophrenic babble. Okay, he just spiked up integospels, okay,

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and the trouble they were bringing into in the so

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called Christianity. You're essentially committing the same vicens here. Okay, No,

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not at all, I mean misinformation.

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Speaker 12: Okay, Well, did you not notice that the other people

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in that and the group were pretending to the Orthodox,

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they wouldn't renounce Islam as a false theoretical religion.

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Speaker 9: Like can you not agree with that?

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Speaker 15: Your spreading misinformation hereything, I'm saying things that I am

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not okay for all? In some purposes, you are a schizophrenic.

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Speaker 9: I'm looking. He's just attacking my character. But how many

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how many foo? So yeah, he's not going to stand up,

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stand up, cares about what you think. Okay, period, I'm

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talking to j right Now've been a.

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Speaker 12: Fan of Jays for a long time, and I think, uh,

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I think you're disingenuous, to be quite honest. Anyways, if

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Dmitri may be uh Orthodox by birth, but it seems

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to me he's like very humanist.

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Speaker 9: But anyways, I didn't want to get too far into him.

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Speaker 4: I'm down to.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so uh, I mean I've never again, I've not

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heard Dimitria ever be a humanist, So that to me

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sounds odd because usually he's calling out like what's his name?

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That uh, Jackson Hinkel. I've seen him call that out

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a lot. I don't know, so that that would be

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odd to me, that he's a humanist.

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Speaker 9: So yeah, well I recorded the whole thing, and I

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guess I could send a Q.

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Speaker 2: Well hold on, So, Dimitri Demetri, I'm not accusing you,

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but would you like to address that because it just

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seems odd.

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Speaker 9: He's essentially lying, that's all. I'll say, Well, what's the lie?

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Speaker 6: Like, what did I say that it's a lie?

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Speaker 12: Because none of the people who are saying that Orthodox

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would renounce Islam. You said that that wouldn't be a

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that would be an Orthodox belief that I would renounce isla.

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Speaker 15: You are actually which is which is hilarious that you

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would do that on Jay's stream.

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Speaker 9: Not sure why, but I think it's important.

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Speaker 12: I think it's important. There's a lot of people who

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are upset about what's happening in Europe.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, to main sure you don't

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like Islam? Would I can't imagine.

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Speaker 15: It isn't even a heresy. It's essentially a pagan sick.

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extremely it's worse than Gnosticism essentially.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 12: So anyways, when I brought that up in that group,

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all I did was get muted and shot down. And

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then he after they removed me, which later we did

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have a Yeah, we had a second conversation. He straight

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up was like, he seems like a hobbyist. He's probably

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a jew infiltrator. So I think that's kind of weird.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean what he just said, he denounced Islam

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right there, So what's the problem.

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Speaker 9: No, that's no problem. That's cool.

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Speaker 12: I mean that's why I support. But there was other

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Orthodox people in the group. Truth Teller says he's Orthodox,

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and Doc says the Orthodox he has a icon as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even know what group you're talking.

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I don't have time to follow all being all the groups.

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So like, what do you do you have a point

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Speaker 12: Well, you know, yeah, I just think it all ties

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into the Pentecostals don't have any like understanding of history

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at all. So of course he would say we can't

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be pro Palestine and all that kind of stuff. But no,

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kind of weird that he won't anyways. No, I mean

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I kind of had a whole I've recorded the whole conversation.

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But there's a lot of people angry young men about

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what's happening to Europe, and then the Muslim that want

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to be like but other you don't do a big

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ally and then yeah, so I think that's weird.

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Speaker 2: All right, did meet your anything You want to comment

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there on that?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 9: No, I only came up because I was listening to

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the space Jay.

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Speaker 15: You're doing great. It's an amazing space thus far. But

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I would just yeah, icon't comment on the redundant commentary

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of these three hundred followischizophrenics here on the X.

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Speaker 4: I really wouldn't be.

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Speaker 15: I don't usually communicate with them, but in any case,

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we'll good have a great stream.

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Speaker 2: Thanks. Uh, Mike, what's up?

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Speaker 16: Man?

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Speaker 2: How you doing?

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Speaker 11: What's what I mean?

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Speaker 12: Hey, Jake?

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Speaker 9: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 4: Sir? Okay?

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Speaker 9: How are you doing?

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Speaker 4: Happy?

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Speaker 9: Eastern?

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Speaker 2: Likewise? What's up?

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Speaker 17: I had a question and I was wondering if it's

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about transubstantiation. I noticed in a conversation that a Roman

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Catholic and an Orthodox person we're having where the author.

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The Orthodox person was, and I can't remember the context

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exactly of the conversation, but he said that he said,

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this is a quote Roman Catholicism makes up a full

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fault in the name of clarity, transubstantiation, for instance, And

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I've never heard that from an Orthodox before, saying that,

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you know that transperstantiation is an invention of Roman Catholicism.

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I always thought that it was just like we use

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the word to describe like the Eucharist in a philosophical way,

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and that you know, Chrystosom and Basil they talked about

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transubstantiation as well.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know if you're able to like offer.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the term itself is not a Patristic term,

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but I don't really even think that's a problem, because

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as Orthodox we would have areas of like, well, we

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don't go that far. Is that when you get into

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the medieval scholastics like Aquinas, they start really trying to

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define in some scientific way all kinds of things that

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we just don't go there. We think it's more of

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a mystery. So, for example, Rome has this position that

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the the what is essential to the sacrament is matter,

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form and attention, and that the sacrament is only confected

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when the priest uh says the words of consecration. And so,

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for example, we don't think that makes any sense because

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the epiclesis is the calling down of the Holy Spirit.

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with the necessity of the consecration of the element. So

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the medieval scholastics got very specific with all of these

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kind of scientific approaches, and we don't go that far,

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but we don't necessarily have a problem with the term

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transsentiation itself.

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Speaker 9: No, okay, got it.

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Speaker 17: Also, you know, just just like you to know that

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most of the Easter arguing with Bryson about the Trinity,

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which he continues to deny and continues to display, you know,

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the personality of you know, Arianism, which is weird because

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I mean, I don't know, like you, we've done this

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before with him, and I think we you know, you

470
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did this to an extent with him on either a

471
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couple of debates.

472
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Speaker 6: But is it just worth is it worth it with him?

473
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Speaker 2: Or is it just there's no I don't think there's

474
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getting anyone getting where with anywhere with Bryson.

475
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Speaker 9: So yeah, it's kind of fat.

476
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Speaker 6: But what can you do anyway?

477
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Speaker 9: You have a good Easter.

478
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:15,799
Speaker 2: You too might appreciate you coming on, and I hope

479
00:27:15,839 --> 00:27:18,400
you and your family are well. Heisenberg. What's up man?

480
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:29,039
Read to cover the super chests culper cast two dollars.

481
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:33,160
This is my first PASCA. Thank you Fillion two pounds,

482
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,640
Christos and STV. I think we read that one. But

483
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Marcus Antonio gifted ten memberships What's up man? In h

484
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:41,640
five bucks? In high school, my girlfriend's family went to

485
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,799
a church in Irvine. Oh, we read that the guy

486
00:27:43,799 --> 00:27:46,720
who is prophet Ruckus McKinley, who played Funk. I'd actually

487
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,839
like to look that dudeo though, so sounds fun. David

488
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,759
James Flood gifted a membership was up Brandon Dinner two dollars, Jay,

489
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,440
What is the true nature of good and evil? Well,

490
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evil doesn't have a nature. It's a private on nature,

491
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So there is no nature of evil. But the nature

492
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of good ultimately is God's nature, because God is the

493
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highest ultimate good. And then created things have their created

494
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natures and they are also good. But evil is not

495
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and cannot be a nature because God made all natures

496
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Brandon ten dollars. Again, I'm a Luciferian. Do you believe

497
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that evil exists out of time? There is spiritual evil

498
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because we believe that demons are spiritually evil, and they

499
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are not necessarily in time. They can be, but they

500
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also exist in a spiritual realm that is beyond our realm.

501
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So I would say, yes, did we not manifest evil ourselves? Well,

502
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we would say that evil has two sources, both human

503
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and angelic. So the angelic evil being the demons that

504
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fell and continued to try to influence man, and man

505
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when he choose is evil actions, he also is a

506
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source of evil. So there's two sources of evil in

507
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the world, man and ballen angels. Can the universe work

508
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without an opposition? Yes? In fact, we believe that good

509
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is not a dialectical thing that it necessitates evil. We

510
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think that evil again is a privation and has no

511
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being or substance. And so so the answer is yes,

512
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did God create opposites? God created things that are oppositional,

513
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you could say, in the sense of like man and

514
00:29:37,119 --> 00:29:40,880
woman or night and day. But there is not a

515
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created thing called evil. That would be Manicheanism to say

516
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that evil has existence or substance, and we would be

517
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we're not duellists. Mister who cares five dollars, take give

518
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,960
of your work. He has risen. Thank you, Brandon Jenner Jade.

519
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,759
You know that Islam is scheduled for extinction. Lucifer does

520
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:03,200
not want them for the New World. I think that

521
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,640
Lucifer does a lot with Islam, so I don't know

522
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if I believe that inverted big to five dollars. I've

523
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,960
seen Muslims doing woodoo at truck stop bathrooms and it's

524
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,839
not rocketing in the sink. We'll get used to it

525
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because you're going to see a lot more of it.

526
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DeAndre Onsen ten dollars. I am seeing mixed signs of

527
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growth in Orthodoxy, if you mean like some parishes are

528
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growing and others are dying. Yeah, I went to last

529
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year with the FDA. We ended up at a huge

530
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Greek basically like a cathedral is huge and there's like

531
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twenty people in there. So you know, ro Corps parishes,

532
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Serbian churches, Antiochian churches, some of the OSAA churches, they're

533
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:57,680
basically exploding at the seams. But these boomer Normie docks

534
00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:03,799
churches are dying, David Murdoch are five dollars. I live

535
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in a Mormon theocracy. You do not want cult strongholds.

536
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,240
Whether it's Mormons or Muslims. It should concern people, I agree,

537
00:31:13,319 --> 00:31:19,519
David Rachel Wilson three month membership. Andrew agrees that Islam

538
00:31:19,559 --> 00:31:22,720
is a huge threat. Everybody is ignoring it. They're spurgaging

539
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:26,920
about other Middle Eastern countries, and he wants to do

540
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,480
more debates with the Muslim I think that, look, all

541
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these issues are issues, right, so.

542
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Speaker 4: You know.

543
00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:40,359
Speaker 2: People are like losing their minds that we're trying to

544
00:31:40,359 --> 00:31:44,720
figure out who the ultimate issue is and all these

545
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,279
things are issues. So, you know, that's a good question.

546
00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:56,559
I'm not sure what the I guess everybody has different

547
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:05,880
you know, callings and gifts, right, Like, like some people

548
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,240
are just super good at that debating Islam and you

549
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:14,240
know they can keep doing that, I guess, and other

550
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,519
people are really good, you know, with debating atheists or whatever,

551
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,039
Protestants or whatever. So we all have different gifts. So

552
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:23,680
I don't know, it's a tough question as to how

553
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,640
to navigate all this. Ah Brosey three month member, shout

554
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:32,599
out to great Bob, Great Bob, you mean Bob Soco.

555
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,359
Bob been at it with sand monks for a long time.

556
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I feel bad for him. He started his campaign and

557
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:40,799
oh yeah, so you must be talking about Bob in

558
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:45,039
the UK. He's watched his country get incrementally taken over. Yeah.

559
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:47,319
I mean when I first did the interview with Bob

560
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that Lewis set up back in twenty eighteen, I think

561
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that probably England's gotten a lot worse. So there's just

562
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there's just no easy answers here because you know, like

563
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there's not what's the word am we for? There's not

564
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synagogues being set up everywhere, right, but I see mosques everywhere,

565
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and you can argue that moss are kind of a

566
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synagogue because one of those rabbis said something like, what's

567
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this what's the term he uses? Islam is the broom

568
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of Israel or something like that, in other words, Islam,

569
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and that it's like they're fine to let Islam like

570
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destroy the West, and you know, you guys take all

571
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these hamas refugees, we don't want them, right, this kind

572
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of stuff, So you know, there's just there's no easy

573
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answers to any of these problems. I don't I don't.

574
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I don't know what the answer. But like I'm over

575
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here trying to read all this crazy stuff and make

576
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sense of it. I've got two two Masad text that

577
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I'm right in the middle of. I just got four

578
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chapters into John Stockwell's book, which is all which is

579
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brand new. We're gonna be going through this because I

580
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don't know anything about the CIA's operations in Africa, so

581
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I'm curious. And so this book is by the guy

582
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who was the chief of the CIA task force in Angola.

583
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So we're gonna be going through John Stockwell's I'm already

584
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like sixty pages in and it's pretty good. Also interesting

585
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is Kissinger calling the shots all throughout all this, which

586
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is fascinating. This will give us a background into africam

587
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which you probably have heard me mention. And then I

588
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got Paul Williams's older book, which is not as good

589
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as his Gladio book, because I think this was his

590
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first one. He wrote this prior to the Gladio book.

591
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I've read three two other chapters of it about it exposed,

592
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and it's got some good angles so far on stuff

593
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that's not in the Gladio book, Like, for example, this

594
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has a whole history of the Vatican Bank and where

595
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:14,119
it arose from. You know who started it, what's the

596
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whole background of that. So that's mentioned in passing in

597
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the gladiobook. So this is gonna be a good one

598
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to do too. But yeah, I'm really excited about I mean,

599
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,880
the Strowski's books are fascinating, but I'm really excited also

600
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,960
about the CIA operations in Africa are pretty wild. I mean,

601
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I'll put it this way. I'm gonna be debating AP

602
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and we are debating specifically CIA and Western intelligence use

603
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of I S and al Q And I've already found

604
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some moremo in John Stockwell for the big T word.

605
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So that's going to be a fun debate. June. Second,

606
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mister who cares five dollars, thank you for your work. Jay.

607
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:09,280
He has risen? Indeed he is? Am I correct that?

608
00:36:10,519 --> 00:36:14,440
When I was amongst the Antiochians, they would say indeed

609
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he has risen, or he has risen indeed, And then

610
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,760
if you're amongst the Russians, they say, truly he has risen.

611
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,559
Am I correct on that? Or am I crazy? People?

612
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In the chat, you guys can help me on on that,

613
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,760
because my mind usually like goes back to you know,

614
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Pasca amongst Antiochians, and I'm pretty sure everybody says he

615
00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:39,800
has risen indeed or indeed he has risen. And then

616
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if you're amongst the Russians, the Russians all say truly,

617
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,719
he's risen. And then and then the Russians think that

618
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,000
you're an idiot because you say indeed he's risen. It's like, well,

619
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I didn't just make that up. That's actually just what

620
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the Antiochians do. So do we have any Antiochians in

621
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the chat? Do we do?

622
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Speaker 9: Y'all?

623
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Speaker 2: Still? Am I just misremembering Oca Parish we say indeed?

624
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I see, I knew that there was some indeeds we

625
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:13,039
say truly at the Greek Church. I mean, it's not

626
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:15,719
a big deal, it doesn't matter. But I'm just I'm

627
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just trying to figure out if I'm misremembering or if oh,

628
00:37:21,159 --> 00:37:24,880
the Antiochians at your parents say truly. Interesting, Oh you

629
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,920
said truly? Okay, Well maybe now one person said indeed,

630
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,559
maybe that's maybe that was the oka we say indeed

631
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in Texas. Interesting. I know it's the same. I'm just curious.

632
00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:43,079
We at the Antiochians say indeed, I see. I thought so.

633
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I thought that was what I remembered. And then people

634
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were probably like, who is this idiot? Guy doesn't say

635
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,119
thru ly say is Indeed, no one says indeed, this

636
00:37:53,280 --> 00:38:01,480
idiot theater we say indeed. At my OCA parish, Rachel

637
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says that my Antiochian parish, everyone says indeed, I thought so. Anyway,

638
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,480
it doesn't really matter. It's just something that I was

639
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:13,119
curious about last night because I was like, am I crazy?

640
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Or that I remember us saying this at the end

641
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took in church. Let's see Mateo? What Matteo? The gentleman

642
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,559
and scholar. That's a name right there. What books do

643
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:29,840
you recommend for a Catholic looking into Orthodoxy? I would

644
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:34,679
read Michael Welton's Two Paths, and I would read Mystical

645
00:38:34,679 --> 00:38:37,159
Theology of the Eastern Church by Lawsky. Those are two

646
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:42,280
of the most accessible works on the two key doctrines

647
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,679
of the papacy and the energies. Nick Clinton ten dollars.

648
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:49,559
Thank you for being an example of boldness. I appreciate

649
00:38:49,599 --> 00:38:53,039
I appreciate you well. Thanks man christ Is Rhythm Indeed, H.

650
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:58,239
Brosie five dollars I have never objectively seen an Orthodox

651
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,000
man defending Muslims and his this sounds like a Catholic. Yeah. See,

652
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,719
this is like what a lot of trad cats do.

653
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:09,039
So I'm like, I've seen trad cats do that. I

654
00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:13,159
don't know it. Now. We heard the evangelical guy originally right,

655
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:18,880
He was saying that if you're critical of Israeli actions,

656
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:21,880
then that means you're pro Muslim. No, no, no, no, that's a

657
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:27,719
false conclusion. I can be critical of both Hamas and

658
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the actions of the Israeli government and not be pro

659
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Islam or pro Muslim as you see that. This is

660
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:41,199
all like basic bitch dialectics, dude, Pelagonian Lion ten A's

661
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Thursday is four day Pagan's exposed. Is that really though?

662
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,840
I didn't actually know that, Is that true or I

663
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can't tell if that's true? You're joking. By the way,

664
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I forgot to mention on Astare. I got all distracted

665
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from hours ago. Let's see if that's actually true, because

666
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I don't actually even know if that is the case. Okay,

667
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so let's go to Easter and the I'm gonna show

668
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you what I was trying to say to her about

669
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Ostare Okay, Yostare is the Anglo Saxon goddess mentioned by Bede,

670
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Saint Bede in his eighth century work Reckoning of Time.

671
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He wrote that the Pagan Anglo Saxons held feasts in

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her honor and named after her, and in April this

673
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became the English name for the postle season of Easter. Okay,

674
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:47,360
so remember we said that this was a name that

675
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was used for this time period of spring, right April

676
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:58,400
right here, so the Pagan Germanic Anglo Saxon. I thought

677
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,480
it was Germanic. It's actually Anglo Saxon. Excuse me, when

678
00:41:01,519 --> 00:41:06,920
actually down here says Germany. So let's see. The old

679
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High German name for April was a star month or

680
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Starmont Monoth, which was similar to the Germanic goddess Astera.

681
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The theory is that it's supported by descriptions to the

682
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goddess blah blah blah found in Germany. The point that

683
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I made was that this is a name for a

684
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time period. Okay, let's look at the actual word and

685
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its origin. These are cognates. They are derived from the

686
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Proto Germanic, so it actually I'm right about that is Germanic.

687
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In terms of the words root and what is it

688
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the word for? Well, yes, it refers to a goddess,

689
00:41:56,519 --> 00:42:04,760
like January refers to Genus. However, it is a time period. Okay.

690
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When Charlemagne defeated and converted the continental Saxons to Christianity,

691
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he gave Germanic names to the Latin months, which is

692
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the Easter month of Austarmannoth. Okay, that's exactly what I

693
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told her. So it's a word for a time period.

694
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Once the people are Christianized, the word now refers to

695
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the time period, just like January. And it doesn't matter

696
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about some goddess. That's it. It's that simple. And let's see.

697
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Here's here's what Bede says, the famous church historian Bead

698
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Venerable Bead. It is the anglos Acts a name for April.

699
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There you go, that's it. It was a name for April,

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but it was a pagan name for April. Yeah, so

701
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:15,679
what like January exactly, does anyone think of April now

702
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:22,000
as goddess month? No, no one does. Everyone now thinks

703
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:27,159
of April as Pasca or passover. So there you go.

704
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:32,039
People getting hung up on words and acting like Jordan Maxwell,

705
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:37,679
all right, which if you're familiar with this goober boomer

706
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:44,960
conspiracy man, his whole grift is built on idiotic conspiracies

707
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,960
based on word concept fallacies. I'm not kidding.

708
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:54,639
Speaker 5: The word the word Easta is the goddess Astarra. The

709
00:43:54,679 --> 00:44:01,079
word is the same the using spells casting what spells

710
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:01,599
on you?

711
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Speaker 2: I mean, just the lowest tier idiotic nonsense. By the way,

712
00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:14,000
I will be live in two days if you are

713
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:15,800
in the Florida area, if you'd like to come to

714
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:21,119
my live event metapolitics, god, Hollywood, technology, sexperis and orthodoxy

715
00:44:21,159 --> 00:44:23,000
if you want to talk, because I know everybody's gonna come,

716
00:44:23,639 --> 00:44:27,280
I don't mind. It's just that like everybody's gonna come

717
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:32,880
and ask the questions about orthodox stuff, which is fine. Yes,

718
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,519
I don't care if you want to come ask about that.

719
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,480
It is a short notice event, so the tickets are

720
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:40,119
pretty cheap, and you can get tickets right here if

721
00:44:40,159 --> 00:44:44,360
you want to come to the Conservative it's a conservative

722
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:52,960
political group that's invited me to speak in Tallahassee Tuesday, Yes, Tuesday,

723
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April twenty second. You can get tickets right there. It's

724
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gonna be fun. It's about a two hour talk. I'll

725
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do a talk for hour, then we'll do some Q

726
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:07,239
and A for an hour. All right, where was that at? Oh? Thursday?

727
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Is this true or is this nonsense? I don't even

728
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know is Thursday Thursday?

729
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Speaker 9: Uh?

730
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Speaker 2: It looks like it is interesting. I did not know

731
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that Thunr's day.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Thu thurs Day, old English god Thunor.

733
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Speaker 2: Oh, I guess we can't. We can't talk about Sunday.

734
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We can't talk about Thursday.

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00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 4: They're all.

736
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 2: It's all we're all worshiping the demons like evangelicals. Man,

737
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They're just so it's hard not to well, I'll be

738
00:45:57,199 --> 00:46:00,960
honest with like, tonight today I struggled, like and if

739
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,559
you see me booting people or like moving on, it's

740
00:46:03,599 --> 00:46:05,599
because I don't want to get to the stage where

741
00:46:05,599 --> 00:46:09,760
I'm losing my patience. And if somebody's obtuse for like

742
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,639
thirty minutes straight and even after that, I show them

743
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,679
the problems in the position and they just keep reasserting

744
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,119
like they're in some kind of mental loop. They're in

745
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:22,880
a glitch. I gotta move on, man, because I'll just

746
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,679
lose my patience and then everybody.

747
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:25,199
Speaker 4: Oh, we got him.

748
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:26,199
Speaker 2: He lost patience.

749
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 5: He's so evil And me look at him, look at him,

750
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:28,679
and look at you.

751
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 18: There we got.

752
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Speaker 2: Him, even though I guarantee you, like everybody else in

753
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:36,639
the world, would eventually lose their patients with somebody being

754
00:46:36,679 --> 00:46:39,519
obtuse and caught in a glitch for thirty minutes straight

755
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:42,559
or an hour straight, like the Protestant guy the other night.

756
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,440
Every time I would show a counter example, he would

757
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,760
move the goalposts and his followers are.

758
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 4: Like, Oh, you got you, dude, He got you, dude.

759
00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:52,199
Speaker 2: What's up, Heisenberg?

760
00:46:54,559 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 4: What's up? J How you doing good?

761
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 2: What's up?

762
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Speaker 19: I just had a question on your your argument about

763
00:47:01,679 --> 00:47:05,239
how like the papacy is circular and how it actually

764
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,840
like how it is like it has the same problem

765
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,519
that it tries to like fix with Protestantism, that is,

766
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:17,960
like there's like this problem of like interpretation, how you're

767
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,000
gonna interpret the pope and just in that whole but

768
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:24,320
type of problem, And I was wondering how how would

769
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the Orthodox answer, like, how would the Orthodox be excused

770
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from that?

771
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:33,519
Speaker 2: Because the Roman Catholic system is based on classical foundationalism

772
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:39,039
as a specific approach to evidentialism, to temism, to how

773
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:42,480
all of these questions are solved? And you can't be

774
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:47,639
a paradigm level, circular, recursive type of person if you're

775
00:47:47,639 --> 00:47:48,559
going to be a Roman Catholic.

776
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Speaker 9: All right, got it? Thank you?

777
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Speaker 19: And Also I was wondering if like, because honestly, these spaces, man,

778
00:47:56,039 --> 00:47:57,639
I think you like, I think you beat the X

779
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:58,760
level like spaces.

780
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Speaker 9: I think you like.

781
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Speaker 19: I think maybe if you like, try more TikTok, I mean,

782
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:05,440
like you could debate people like allegedly ean or like

783
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:08,719
the Orthodox Muslim because like I feel like if you

784
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,320
were to go on TikTok, you would get like a

785
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:11,519
clip every single like.

786
00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I've done many TikTok lives. Have you

787
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:15,880
not seen them?

788
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 9: I have? I have not, but I think, like.

789
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

790
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the problem. The problem is that the TikTok lives

791
00:48:23,559 --> 00:48:29,000
and invasions are even worse than here or YouTube. It's

792
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:33,320
it's even more challenging because the people are a grade

793
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,960
dumber on average and a grade more extreme. So it's

794
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:42,119
even more difficult than here. So I have to really struggle.

795
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What's up branding?

796
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:46,679
Speaker 9: Thank you?

797
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 4: Yes, Brandon with can you hear me? All right?

798
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 20: So my my dad's side was born and raised through history.

799
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I'm doing a lot of research here against well, looking

800
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we were dealt. His side of the family was from Galician.

801
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,159
I know that they're very close to Antioch. I just

802
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:07,840
wanted to know where. And then my mom is straight

803
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,800
three generations from Italy, so she's Catholic.

804
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Speaker 2: Is well, you know what.

805
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Speaker 20: So I'm trying to find my own path here and

806
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,719
I'm kind of struggling. Can you just give me an

807
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,559
advice on where to go to find some more information.

808
00:49:21,639 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 9: On that topic?

809
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Speaker 20: Like Galician Antioch versus their beliefs and Catholicism.

810
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:36,559
Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean. Well, when you say

811
00:49:36,679 --> 00:49:38,599
their beliefs, who are you talking about.

812
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 20: The Catholic beliefs on the Galatians and Catholics. I guess

813
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:46,599
you could call it Roman Catholic.

814
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 2: Yes, when you do you know the church in Galicia

815
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:51,880
or just the place the.

816
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Speaker 20: Church of Galatia, like Galician churches and Antioch churches.

817
00:49:56,599 --> 00:50:02,159
Speaker 2: Well, I mean Orthodox churches descend from Antioch, Okay, Like

818
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,639
Peter sets up the church at Antioch, okay and acts right. So,

819
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,639
but I mean I just don't I don't know what

820
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,360
so like you're talking about like the history of the

821
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history of the Celts.

822
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Speaker 20: I mean right, I'm just trying to get further back

823
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to where I'm at right now.

824
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Speaker 6: I'm kind of like at the point of when Paul

825
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was on his route and journey and when all when.

826
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Speaker 20: He came to the Kingdom of Galatia and started spreading

827
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the word there, and I want to get to the

828
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point before that.

829
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Speaker 9: I don't know where to go to get to the history.

830
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm not I don't have any kind

831
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of expertise or specialty in those niche areas. So I'm

832
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:46,920
not trying to be dismissive rude. I just don't know.

833
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,840
I'm sure you could find somebody who's a historian of

834
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:59,960
that region, but I don't know. Munachi, John, what's up? John?

835
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 9: And John?

836
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 4: You yeah? Can uh huh cool.

837
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Speaker 13: Yesterday I talked with somebody and they are Unitarian, and

838
00:51:14,639 --> 00:51:18,280
I have not really talked to a Unitarian before. But

839
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:23,159
basically I'm trying to see, like, are they still Christian?

840
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,639
Speaker 9: And this is that God?

841
00:51:26,599 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: No, you can't be a Christian and deny the Trinity

842
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,039
or the d Christ.

843
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Speaker 9: Okay, That's what I'm thinking.

844
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Speaker 2: And if you scroll back to about an hour back,

845
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we had a pretty lengthy discussion with a modalist Unitarian person.

846
00:51:41,199 --> 00:51:44,360
So I would say, scroll back and check that out. Gurr,

847
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:44,840
what's up?

848
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:45,039
Speaker 9: Man?

849
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,679
Speaker 21: Hey, hey, so you abandoned the patristic calendar, the very

850
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,440
what they the.

851
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 9: Father by the saints because the world.

852
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: Okay, good job, Marcel. What's up Marcel? What's up? Dude?

853
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:12,960
I'm mute.

854
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:20,559
Speaker 4: Jesus Christ, brother Jack, can you hear me? Christis Ersten?

855
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,119
Speaker 2: Indeed, he's yeah, how does like?

856
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Speaker 22: I also like, I mean this is something recently, like

857
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,400
you know a lot of Bisley at the multiomensional people,

858
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:32,480
they asked.

859
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,280
Speaker 9: You like, oh you're orthodogs.

860
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,119
Speaker 4: Oh that means you are pro hamas or propelsty.

861
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Speaker 22: I've seen this like like recently, like the first I

862
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think it was the first or the second guy who

863
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just called it.

864
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Speaker 7: The one thing they don't understand is right, not any

865
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:53,000
person who is rational like the other rational flock would

866
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ever support an ideology that looks you tasted kill your grape.

867
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So even when there are some orthodogs pushed it.

868
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Speaker 2: There say okay, let's I'm on YouTube, so we can't

869
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,239
be talking about that stuff.

870
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Speaker 22: So yeah, So I just want to say even if

871
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,719
Christians say, like, oh, they're a proper listing that doesn't

872
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,639
mean that you're saying we are Islam, right, I don't.

873
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Speaker 4: I don't think they did that.

874
00:53:15,559 --> 00:53:18,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think anybody anybody listens to to nuance.

875
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,679
So I try to be I try to be I

876
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:28,559
try to be hyper charitable and hyper nuanced. Right to

877
00:53:28,679 --> 00:53:37,320
quote uh loft dog. But yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

878
00:53:37,519 --> 00:53:45,719
you know what I'm saying, Munachi, did we do you already?

879
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:53,119
Vegan skills? Five dollars? Christos pilscrats? See what is the

880
00:53:53,239 --> 00:53:57,079
lady singing gibberish and banging on that piano? How would

881
00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:59,360
that be a gift to the Holy Spirit? Yeah, that's

882
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,519
that's a are That was a bizarre proof from the

883
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:04,639
Azusa Street Revival. Right, what's up?

884
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 3: Man?

885
00:54:05,199 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 2: I'm mute? Now we got another man? Who is it?

886
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:12,400
Speaker 4: Can you hear me?

887
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:13,159
Speaker 2: What's up?

888
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me back.

889
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:15,559
Speaker 9: I appreciate that.

890
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 23: Earlier today you mentioned that I was speaking from silence

891
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and that there's no mysterious language that individual individual could

892
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:22,800
speak when.

893
00:54:22,719 --> 00:54:26,199
Speaker 4: We're when we were having it. Oh my gosh, how

894
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,559
about you? Can you pull up one Korenthians fourteen.

895
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,679
Speaker 2: Too literally listed when the first time you're on here,

896
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,199
I mentioned verse its fourteen I.

897
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Speaker 23: Know, I know about fourteen two specifically.

898
00:54:37,199 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 2: I mentioned that when you came on the first time.

899
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So goodbye, h BROSI what's up?

900
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Speaker 9: Hey, what's subject?

901
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?

902
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 24: Okay, yeah, Joy, I'm not going to have thank you

903
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,480
you meant it's going to be real quick. Just because

904
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,840
I heard that other guy say something about TikTok. Please

905
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,880
don't ever don't ever do TikTok shreams again. Obviously, I've

906
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,199
been following you for years and years, so I've seen

907
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:07,519
every single every single TikTok stream you've done. Obviously, I

908
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:09,960
think this idea comes from all I mean, any like

909
00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:13,079
other than people just like actually using TikTok, which you

910
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:15,880
have to be retarded to do. Is uh. Obviously, Andrew's

911
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,679
TikTok TikTok streams are hilarious. They're funny or whatever. And

912
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:26,960
the way he goes in and you know, oh, oh Jake,

913
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,440
you hear me? Yeah, all right, cool, Sorry I lost

914
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,519
connecting there for a second. The way he goes in

915
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:34,440
and you know, destroyed the leftis or whatever. That's great

916
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,599
and all that's like, this is theology, so it's completely different,

917
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:41,239
you know, Andrew he doesn't necessarily like recently he's gotten

918
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,840
more into theology, but this is completely different from that.

919
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,760
And if anybody has seen your TikTok streams, it's just

920
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:50,400
it's just feral. It's just feral dogs liked there's there's

921
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:53,079
no point in that those people that the people that

922
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:56,719
frequent TikTok tend to be significantly younger. So it's it's

923
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:58,960
a complete waste of time, man, And it kind.

924
00:55:58,800 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 9: Of just business.

925
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: Tell people, it's like all it does is just gonna

926
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,440
get me like enraged with with idiots and then and

927
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,199
then people are gonna get mad saying I mean so

928
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,920
there's it's just like a it's a cash twenty two.

929
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Speaker 24: So yeah, like a man for for whoever this this

930
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:21,199
orthodox Muslim guy is that people get like obviously I

931
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:24,079
have no clue who this guy is. But every time

932
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,440
these people, regardless if it's if it's you know, guys

933
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,440
that actually do falling consistently or just randos on on

934
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,960
YouTube or Twitter, every time somebody suggests like there and

935
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,920
this isn't me just you know, like being obviously call

936
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,760
it like I tokingly call myself a diar, right, A

937
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,559
lot of us do. I'm not like I'm not glazing.

938
00:56:43,199 --> 00:56:45,039
Speaker 2: You when I say it's get it's a joke.

939
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 24: Yeah yeah, yeah, but like uh, like what I'm about

940
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:49,599
to say, I'm not glazing what I'm about to say either,

941
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:53,159
Like they're just low tier compared like that, there's gonna

942
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:55,280
be nothing different. You're gonna get on You're gonna get

943
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:56,840
on the stream or get on their TikTok and they're

944
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,079
gonna get on X. It's gonna be like three minutes

945
00:56:59,079 --> 00:57:01,440
of you know, like some some of some decent back

946
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,719
and forth and then the heresy comes out or the

947
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,039
low tier bullshit that they that they back whatever clean

948
00:57:07,079 --> 00:57:08,480
they have comes out with, Like it is a.

949
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 9: Complete waste of time.

950
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:12,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think that I've done probably five

951
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,119
multi hour and thank you for that. Appreciate that, h brother.

952
00:57:17,199 --> 00:57:21,400
I've done probably maybe five multi hour TikTok streams, and man,

953
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,760
it's a challenge, I'm telling you, Like it's hard for

954
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:28,199
me to remain patient with just it's like arguing with

955
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,719
thirteen year olds that are drunk and eating a bunch

956
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,760
of candy. So it's like thirteen year olds that have

957
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,239
sugar high and are drunk and then they're just insane,

958
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,480
like how far are you going to get into debate? Well,

959
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:44,840
it's it's it's tough, James. What's up?

960
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 19: Does truth evolve to match society?

961
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:57,599
Speaker 2: It can in some sense, there's difference to the calendar. Okay,

962
00:57:57,599 --> 00:58:00,000
here we go, So why don't you just keep making more?

963
00:58:00,159 --> 00:58:04,760
Or all right? Cranky around? That was the guy that

964
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:06,119
called in the other day and I was like, are

965
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:10,880
you ah, how old are you? And he's like a

966
00:58:11,039 --> 00:58:15,119
new conrat right, and who interprets the cannons? Well, I mean, yeah,

967
00:58:15,119 --> 00:58:25,719
I benshops, but John Smith, it's probably the same guy,

968
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:28,280
or it's the black guy. What's up John Smith?

969
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:30,039
Speaker 5: White boy?

970
00:58:30,239 --> 00:58:32,639
Speaker 4: And white boy? Hello?

971
00:58:32,719 --> 00:58:35,599
Speaker 2: Can you hear us? Indeed?

972
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 4: Is?

973
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:37,239
Speaker 9: Uh?

974
00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 4: So? I had a couple of questions.

975
00:58:39,639 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 25: My first one was, you've mentioned a couple of times

976
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:48,480
about a cannon that uh can't ride horses. But I

977
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,360
looked in the rudder and all I could find was

978
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,440
that they can't. You're not supposed to attend horse racist?

979
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:54,480
Is that the one you're referring to?

980
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's it's an example that FDA always

981
00:58:57,519 --> 00:58:59,679
brings up, all right.

982
00:59:00,199 --> 00:59:03,639
Speaker 25: And my second question was I think you've talked about

983
00:59:03,639 --> 00:59:09,079
the local cannon and how the Quinn Sex Council has

984
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:12,599
several except the cans of several councils, so it accepts

985
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:13,719
several billigal cannons.

986
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 4: But I think you've said that the one from Carthage

987
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:20,599
is the primary one. M h Uh, where is that?

988
00:59:21,079 --> 00:59:21,920
I couldn't find that.

989
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 2: I'm going for memory. I think it's mentioned in the

990
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:33,079
it's either I think it's Trillo. It's Trillo that specifies

991
00:59:34,119 --> 00:59:42,400
that it's Carthage's cannon for Bible, and then until Trul

992
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,480
I know, but I'm saying that it's also reaffirmed at

993
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,199
the Seventh Council. I know that quintessect is Trollo, but

994
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,800
I'm pretty sure it's Trillo that mentions Carthage's cannons.

995
00:59:52,119 --> 00:59:57,719
Speaker 4: Right, what I'm saying, I don't like I look through.

996
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 25: Tru and see a distinction between Like, I don't think

997
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,559
it talks about biblical canon at all.

998
01:00:04,599 --> 01:00:07,239
Speaker 2: It just it does though it mentions it mentioned, It

999
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:13,119
mentions the specific Carthaginian synods that it's reaffirming, and one

1000
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:16,239
of those is the one that lists the Biblical canon.

1001
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 9: Uh.

1002
01:00:23,239 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 25: But what does that have to do with accepting lots

1003
01:00:27,239 --> 01:00:30,599
and abosol cans as well?

1004
01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 2: Well, if if there's I'm saying that, let me see

1005
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:49,679
if I can pull it up here, right, h okay.

1006
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:58,320
It mentions at the beginning those of Chalcedon Sartaca and

1007
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:02,400
those of Carthage. And I think that it mentions at

1008
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,280
a certain place specifically, I'm going for memory, because I

1009
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,360
don't have it pulled up here. I think at a

1010
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,519
certain place it mentions which Carthaginian canons it refers to.

1011
01:01:12,679 --> 01:01:16,639
It's like here it says the Father's assembled at Carthage showed.

1012
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:21,039
You would probably have to look, like at a scholarly

1013
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:23,760
text that would tell you which one is being referred

1014
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:28,880
to in Canon thirteen, So Canon two is it one

1015
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:40,079
or two two? And then thirteen and then twenty nine

1016
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:49,599
about the altar and the Eucharist, and Canon thirty two

1017
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:54,079
mentions Carthage again. And I'm just I'm going from memory

1018
01:01:54,199 --> 01:01:58,480
that I read a secondary source that talked about which

1019
01:01:58,639 --> 01:02:02,760
of the Carthaginian councils this is referring to, because there's

1020
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:07,159
actually quite a few, and one of these is referring

1021
01:02:07,199 --> 01:02:09,400
to the biblical canon.

1022
01:02:10,199 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 25: You're saying, So, for example, if it's the one nine

1023
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:19,280
says the carbon is starting about themisters of the older.

1024
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:24,360
Speaker 2: You're saying that that could I'm saying that if you

1025
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,960
look at Canon two, it mentions Sartoca and those at Carthage, right,

1026
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:38,800
and then it mentions those under Nectarius, Archbishop of Alexandria. Likewise,

1027
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:43,239
the canons of Dionysius the Great City of Alexandria, and

1028
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:48,119
it mentions a bunch of other canonical lists basil Uh,

1029
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:58,079
it mentions Cyril. If anyone should be convicted of innovating

1030
01:02:58,159 --> 01:03:02,639
upon these canons, let him receive the canonical censure. So

1031
01:03:03,639 --> 01:03:06,480
I'm just going from memory that this is referring to.

1032
01:03:07,440 --> 01:03:11,719
So not every Carthaginian synod is necessarily accepted because they're

1033
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,840
local synods, but you can find in secondary literature references

1034
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:20,119
to which Carthaginian synods that this is referring to, and

1035
01:03:20,159 --> 01:03:22,280
one of those is referring to the Biblical canon.

1036
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,360
Speaker 25: Yeah, I was just saying because earlier in that, like,

1037
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,960
I think it's two lines of it's talking about a

1038
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:29,559
lot to see.

1039
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:30,079
Speaker 9: You as well.

1040
01:03:31,559 --> 01:03:33,679
Speaker 2: Well, I would say that I would say that if

1041
01:03:33,679 --> 01:03:39,440
there's conflicting canonical lists of the canon of Scripture, then

1042
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:42,599
it stands to reason that it's it's going to be

1043
01:03:43,559 --> 01:03:45,760
as Orthodox you could argue that we have some a

1044
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:49,559
loose canon, but the universal canon whether if you look

1045
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:53,039
at like the fourth century, between the Apostolic Canons and

1046
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:58,599
the Church of the Councils of Rome, you have a

1047
01:03:58,679 --> 01:04:02,360
universal acceptance in that whole century of all of the

1048
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,960
douter canonical texts. So if the argument is that we're

1049
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,679
looking for duter canonical proof, none of those conflicting canon

1050
01:04:10,719 --> 01:04:17,159
lists exclude the douter canonical texts. Yeah.

1051
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:19,239
Speaker 25: Yeah, it's just a question of a couple of books

1052
01:04:19,280 --> 01:04:21,840
I think between well, that's what I was looking at,

1053
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:26,000
the difference between the Council Carthage that has the Biblical

1054
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:31,039
canon and well, for example, there's the Senate Jerusalem of

1055
01:04:31,159 --> 01:04:36,599
sixteen seventy two or there. M well, it basically say

1056
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:39,400
it's allowed to see you, plus these other duterical books that.

1057
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:42,119
Speaker 4: Allowed to see another man.

1058
01:04:42,679 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 2: So well, I think, but that's that's kind of what

1059
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:51,480
I'm saying, is like, basically no one accepted the Laodicean

1060
01:04:51,599 --> 01:04:59,079
canon or the the list that's laid down in Canon

1061
01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:03,440
D two or whatever, the Apisolic canons. So even though

1062
01:05:03,559 --> 01:05:08,800
those both list the doer canonical text like that, that's

1063
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:12,119
just attestation to the acceptance of the deoconical text. What

1064
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:15,800
eventually gets pretty much universally accepted is what we have

1065
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:19,599
in the Orthodox Church today, because even John Damascus includes Clement,

1066
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:22,920
like he thinks that Clement is part of the Canon Scripture.

1067
01:05:25,559 --> 01:05:28,000
So there was so even in John Damascus's day, there's

1068
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,000
still somewhat of a degree of flexibility because it looks

1069
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:36,360
like he's just looking at Canon fifty two of Apostolic Canons.

1070
01:05:37,719 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 4: Yet understanding the minders saying.

1071
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,039
Speaker 25: I was just wondering if you had a source for

1072
01:05:43,079 --> 01:05:46,199
the primary say that a couple of times.

1073
01:05:46,199 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 2: I don't remember where it's I've read it in some

1074
01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:53,679
some secondary literature. But even if that's incorrect, like, it's

1075
01:05:53,719 --> 01:05:57,960
still pretty normative that do Orthodox Church accepts, you know,

1076
01:05:58,039 --> 01:06:00,920
the douter canonical texts and in the Book of Revelation

1077
01:06:01,559 --> 01:06:07,280
and whatever. This variation is with John Damascus and Canon

1078
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:09,719
fifty two. Is it fifty two? I think it is

1079
01:06:09,800 --> 01:06:15,280
fifty two or is it eighty two? Excuse me of

1080
01:06:15,719 --> 01:06:23,360
absolute Yeah, it's the one that lists the the Canon Scripture.

1081
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:30,719
Maybe I'm exchooseing eighty five, correct, Yeah, Like that's the

1082
01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:37,000
one that lists Clement versus Second Clement and that's the

1083
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:41,559
list that John Damascus gives. So even in John Damascus's day,

1084
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:45,199
he apparently thought that the canon of the Apostolic canons

1085
01:06:45,239 --> 01:06:51,119
was normative. But even at Quentessex Trollo like, you could

1086
01:06:51,159 --> 01:06:55,599
argue that it's not exactly clear that that's the canon

1087
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:58,440
that's chosen. You could argue that it's It seems to

1088
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,800
be that the church eventually just default. It's to the

1089
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:06,719
common canonical acceptance between East and West, which Canon eighty

1090
01:07:06,760 --> 01:07:10,440
five here does attest to the Deutero canon, but it

1091
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,679
doesn't attest to what the church accepts as the normative

1092
01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:16,679
New Testament. Does that make sense?

1093
01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:20,360
Speaker 4: You're from Amocus, doesn't revolution?

1094
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:22,559
Speaker 9: Yeah?

1095
01:07:23,079 --> 01:07:25,719
Speaker 4: All right, yeah, they answer my questions.

1096
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:26,119
Speaker 9: Thank you.

1097
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 3: Yes, let's see here.

1098
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 2: So I don't this guy thinks that I'm going to

1099
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:58,239
fall for all his fake body accounts. Will have one

1100
01:07:58,239 --> 01:08:00,880
Followergan Skills. What's up?

1101
01:08:00,920 --> 01:08:01,079
Speaker 22: Man?

1102
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:05,639
Speaker 9: Yes, sir, what's up? Cristalina sp.

1103
01:08:09,519 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 4: Oh Man?

1104
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:10,480
Speaker 2: Can you hear me?

1105
01:08:10,559 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 18: I can't?

1106
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 4: Okay, So I actually had two questions.

1107
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 26: But this one kind of got brought up because you

1108
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:21,680
were talking about the Angel of the Lord and the

1109
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:22,880
Old Testament.

1110
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 9: And.

1111
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 26: I was commenting on this YouTube video on Hebrews one

1112
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:33,840
where this like, I don't know, he's a torner guy,

1113
01:08:35,479 --> 01:08:38,199
you know, Monotheus kind of I don't know what what

1114
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:41,840
it deal is exactly, but he was commenting on a

1115
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:46,680
debate by David Wood and Alex something O'Connor, I think,

1116
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:52,000
and it was on Hebrews one, and he says, the

1117
01:08:52,039 --> 01:08:58,920
past is they're referencing about how God I spoke at

1118
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,159
various times and to the prophets, and the Old Testament

1119
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,520
has in these last day spoken by his son. He said,

1120
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:10,399
the passage that they used actually refused their position because

1121
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:16,680
it's creating a distinction between the way he spoke in

1122
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,319
the past to the to the fathers by the prophet

1123
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:22,039
versus has been in these last day spoken to us

1124
01:09:22,039 --> 01:09:23,880
by his son. So I say, it couldn't have been

1125
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,439
his son in the Old Testament. And I was kind

1126
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:33,680
of like arguing that, no, that doesn't refute it, because.

1127
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,640
Speaker 4: He's kind of he's addressing.

1128
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:38,199
Speaker 2: The way that he's spoken to us in these last

1129
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:42,239
days by his son. Is the is the incarnation exactly?

1130
01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:44,359
Speaker 24: That's what I was that That was my argument is

1131
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:45,840
he was the distinction.

1132
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,039
Speaker 2: Is the preincarnate versus I look the whole chapter is

1133
01:09:49,159 --> 01:09:52,960
arguing that the son is the creator, and that was

1134
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,199
the second If the son is the creator, then he

1135
01:09:55,399 --> 01:09:57,560
If the son is the creator, as the whole chapter

1136
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,439
is arguing, then he has to be the one that's

1137
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:00,760
speaking the Old Testament.

1138
01:10:01,119 --> 01:10:02,640
Speaker 9: Uh. Yeah.

1139
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:05,640
Speaker 26: He refuted to engage with that second part, which says

1140
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:08,039
he created the world through his son. I'm like, how

1141
01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:10,079
could he have created because he was arguing that Jesus

1142
01:10:10,119 --> 01:10:11,119
is like a prophet or something.

1143
01:10:11,199 --> 01:10:13,279
Speaker 2: Uh huh, how much?

1144
01:10:13,359 --> 01:10:15,079
Speaker 9: How did a prophet create the world?

1145
01:10:15,159 --> 01:10:17,560
Speaker 4: And how is this angel creator?

1146
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:22,039
Speaker 2: Right? Right? Right? Yeah? Yeah, I appreciate that, and I

1147
01:10:22,039 --> 01:10:23,960
don't know what else. Just I mean, somebody's gonna be

1148
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:26,000
up to so like, just move on. There's no point

1149
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,640
in having that discussion. What's up, Scott? Do you want

1150
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:42,760
to call in you wanted to speak earlier or we'll

1151
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,439
go to what's up?

1152
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,119
Speaker 11: Man?

1153
01:10:47,279 --> 01:10:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? What's up?

1154
01:10:49,239 --> 01:10:49,560
Speaker 9: Nothing?

1155
01:10:49,720 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 6: So you you invited me on here. You said you

1156
01:10:51,880 --> 01:10:52,600
wanted to debate.

1157
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:59,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, you took issue with me being basically a debate

1158
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:01,840
or something that I've been doing for a really long time,

1159
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:04,199
and you said that you felt like it wasn't the

1160
01:11:04,199 --> 01:11:08,920
best way to turn the tide or the needle within culture.

1161
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,279
What I was disagreeing with you with more specifically, was

1162
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,600
that if you yourself admit that you're a quote shitty

1163
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,920
Catholic and not in a position to make these kinds

1164
01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,800
of spiritual judgments, Like, how are you in a position

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to say that debating is bad?

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Speaker 16: Because spiritual judgments are not the same as trying to

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move the needle on a cultural level.

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Speaker 4: And I don't know why you would.

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Speaker 16: Think that those are two things that are directly related

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insofar as you cannot have one without the other.

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Speaker 2: Well, but what I'm saying is like, if you're going

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to make assessments of what's virtuous and not virtuous, and

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01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,560
what works and doesn't work, like if you're a shitty

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01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,199
Catholic quote your terms, not mine, how would that put

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01:11:54,199 --> 01:11:56,279
you in a position to make this kind of judgment

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01:11:56,319 --> 01:11:58,600
call about whether debating is profitable or not.

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Speaker 6: Because it's got nothing to do with religion.

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Speaker 16: We saw for what the last sixty maybe even seventy

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or eighty years, hell, maybe even for a little.

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Speaker 9: Bit longer than that.

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Speaker 16: The gears of society have turned, and we have gone

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01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:19,479
in a direction of atheism, secularism at best, and nihilism.

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Speaker 2: At worst, you don't. You don't think that has to

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do with religion.

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01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,479
Speaker 16: I think it has to do more with the way

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01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,520
that cultures shift and the way that people will operate

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01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,239
to try and turn those cultures into.

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01:12:32,079 --> 01:12:33,199
Speaker 9: The direction that they're going in.

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Speaker 2: How does a person combat the massive influence of Muslim

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01:12:40,079 --> 01:12:47,000
influencers and debaters and TikTokers, for example, without debating them.

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01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:50,199
Speaker 16: What's that got to do with you arguing about fucking

1192
01:12:50,279 --> 01:12:53,039
Catholicism though, because because because like, don't, don't get me wrong,

1193
01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:56,319
you want to you want to debate Muslims, fucking whatever,

1194
01:12:56,439 --> 01:12:58,720
do your thing. But like you are literally here on

1195
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:03,640
Easter trying to start slap fights with people over what

1196
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:07,560
fucking because you disagree with them about the correct way

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01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:11,439
to enterate Christ or the correct church doctrine or dogma

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or whatever.

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Speaker 4: People.

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Speaker 16: The fact of the matter is people see stuff like

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that and they're like, Wow, these guys fucking suck.

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01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 9: I don't want to be around that.

1203
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 2: No, you you may think that, you might think that,

1204
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,439
you might think that that's why.

1205
01:13:25,279 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 6: The world has changed in the way that it has.

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01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:30,399
Speaker 2: No, you're not even in c people, You're not in

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01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,600
a position to make this assessment I'm in whatever position,

1208
01:13:33,640 --> 01:13:36,680
I feel like you're not in it, You're not in

1209
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:41,760
a competent position, and joke like you're not culturally relevant.

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Speaker 6: Nobody remembers a debate fucking a week or two later.

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01:13:44,399 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 2: Okay, So the thousands. So when I go to why

1212
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:50,920
are you interrupting me? When I when I go.

1213
01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:53,239
Speaker 6: To one and people laugh about Jordan.

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01:13:53,239 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: When I go to churches and I meet thousands of

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,000
people that have converted in the last five or six

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01:13:58,079 --> 01:14:00,960
years from debates, how does that telling me that debates

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01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,399
don't matter and are useless.

1218
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:06,560
Speaker 6: I think you're making it up. I'm being honest.

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01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 16: You met thousands of people, you met your you're toring,

1220
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:13,920
you're touring the country, going to church after church, and.

1221
01:14:13,840 --> 01:14:16,039
Speaker 2: Every one of them is like, yeah, dire.

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01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,600
Speaker 6: Dude, I saw that debate with this.

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01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:21,199
Speaker 2: With that, you realize that, you realize that we and

1224
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:23,600
why are you? Why are you? Why are you? Why

1225
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,680
are you melting down? When there's literally we just had

1226
01:14:25,720 --> 01:14:27,920
two thousand people. We just had two thousand people in

1227
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,680
the live chat here. I've done I've done live debates.

1228
01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:35,000
I've done live debates and live events from coast to

1229
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:37,159
coast for the last five years. And yeah, I've met

1230
01:14:37,159 --> 01:14:40,600
thousands of people. You can watch a lot of these debates.

1231
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,199
I mentioned to you in the DMS, the Muslim debate

1232
01:14:43,239 --> 01:14:45,399
that was just seen by over four million people. So

1233
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you're saying that I'm just making all this up.

1234
01:14:48,439 --> 01:14:49,880
Speaker 6: Four million converts?

1235
01:14:49,960 --> 01:14:52,000
Speaker 2: Right, I did it? Did I say converts? I said

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01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,119
it was watched by four million people, and I met

1237
01:14:54,119 --> 01:14:55,680
thousands of converts.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean fucking when I turn on the TV,

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01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,159
I see Real Housewive, so fucking Alaska on. Technically, I'll

1240
01:15:02,159 --> 01:15:03,960
watched it for two seconds, but it doesn't mean it

1241
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,119
actually had an effect on me.

1242
01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:06,399
Speaker 6: And that's the point that I'm.

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01:15:06,399 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 2: So and so you think that the so you think

1244
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,119
I'm lying about I'm lying about this.

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01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:14,399
Speaker 16: Culture is what matters. Culture is what matters. And if

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01:15:14,399 --> 01:15:16,399
you're not creating something.

1247
01:15:16,119 --> 01:15:17,479
Speaker 2: Who are the how is there?

1248
01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 9: Was?

1249
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 4: Just?

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01:15:19,720 --> 01:15:21,920
Speaker 2: What does that even mean? Culture is what matter? Religion

1251
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,359
is part of culture? So does it? What are you

1252
01:15:23,399 --> 01:15:24,159
even talking about?

1253
01:15:25,159 --> 01:15:25,399
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1254
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 16: And if religion is not going to tap into the

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01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,079
culture in a way that is going to be fruitful.

1256
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,840
Speaker 6: Then you're not going to have nearly as many converts

1257
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,760
as you need to be able to count around.

1258
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 2: Well, you just accused me of lying when I when

1259
01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,079
I can show you the fruits of the people that

1260
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:41,680
are in these churches. Have you ever been to an

1261
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:42,399
Orthodox church?

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01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 5: Non?

1263
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,119
Speaker 6: And I really don't feel like, uh really don't feel

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01:15:46,119 --> 01:15:46,600
like I need.

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01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 2: To go to one, truthfully, Okay, But that would prove

1266
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,560
to you that I'm not lying, because you can go

1267
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:52,359
and meet that. We just had two hundred people in

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01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:55,439
just the UK and one church converted a few days ago.

1269
01:15:56,680 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 6: Sure, two hundred people in a country of how many people?

1270
01:15:59,079 --> 01:16:02,520
Speaker 2: No, in one pairh that's one example.

1271
01:16:02,119 --> 01:16:05,119
Speaker 6: Perish, Okay, two hundred people?

1272
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 2: Okay, Now do you want to do you want to go?

1273
01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:09,880
Do you want to go look at you know you're

1274
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,319
saying that I'm lying about it. Do you want to

1275
01:16:11,359 --> 01:16:13,720
go look up? How many people at Father Josiah Trnham's

1276
01:16:13,720 --> 01:16:15,279
parish converted recently?

1277
01:16:16,079 --> 01:16:17,279
Speaker 6: I don't think it really matters.

1278
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,159
Speaker 2: Got bell hold on? It doesn't matter? But it is

1279
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,359
no hold on. You said it doesn't matter.

1280
01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 6: You're not culturally relevant in the way.

1281
01:16:24,319 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 9: That you think you are.

1282
01:16:25,039 --> 01:16:27,039
Speaker 2: Okay, but it and that's the point that I'm making.

1283
01:16:27,079 --> 01:16:29,000
So you're just trying to go after me personally to

1284
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:32,039
make slights at me when everything that I'm telling you

1285
01:16:32,079 --> 01:16:34,840
disproves your accusation that I'm lying. You said I'm lying

1286
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,520
about thousands of converts. I'm giving you the things that

1287
01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:40,000
would disprove that, and you're saying I don't care.

1288
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 16: I mean, you're the one who's going after people based

1289
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,479
off of things like say they're Catholicism and things like that.

1290
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,359
Speaker 2: You know, you, So you're but hurt because I'm going

1291
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:49,159
after Catholics.

1292
01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 16: You go after someone like Razorfist, who's well known for

1293
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:56,399
being verbose and hyperbolic, and yeah, so what other crazy things?

1294
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,960
And when he does what rape? When Razorfist is Razor,

1295
01:17:00,399 --> 01:17:03,079
You're like, whoa, where the hell did that come from? No,

1296
01:17:03,319 --> 01:17:04,359
that's that's stupid, bro.

1297
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, that's not true.

1298
01:17:07,520 --> 01:17:11,039
Speaker 16: It has shifted since the fifties or even before that.

1299
01:17:11,079 --> 01:17:12,520
Speaker 6: The culture has shifted in a way.

1300
01:17:14,319 --> 01:17:18,680
Speaker 2: Okay, everybody, Why why should we listen to your Why

1301
01:17:18,680 --> 01:17:21,000
are we supposed to listen to you as some cultural

1302
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:25,720
you don't have You don't have any audience. You don't

1303
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:27,880
have any audience. Why are we supposed to believe you

1304
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:31,399
on cultural analysis? What is your quality? What's your qualification

1305
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:32,880
for cultural analysis?

1306
01:17:33,279 --> 01:17:35,840
Speaker 6: Jesus Jesus didn't have an audience.

1307
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:42,159
Speaker 2: So you're what is your qualification for cultural analysis? Looking

1308
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:45,000
at the lest looking looking at the last.

1309
01:17:45,159 --> 01:17:48,279
Speaker 6: The country has shifted looking.

1310
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:51,680
Speaker 2: Look, this is the dumbest, This is the dumbest. Once anosense,

1311
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,720
do you accuse me of being a liar? Listen, you

1312
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:58,880
don't care about the counter evidence, you don't care, you

1313
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,560
don't care about the count right now, you're the one

1314
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,359
that's cussing me out. Man, I'm just laughing at the

1315
01:18:04,399 --> 01:18:05,479
nonsense that you're saying.

1316
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:08,960
Speaker 9: Uh, I kind of like you're a little shit.

1317
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 2: Got to be honest because what you're saying is ridiculous.

1318
01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,640
The whole chat's laughing at You got two thousand people

1319
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:15,439
laughing at you, which, by the way, is that all fake,

1320
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:16,159
that's made up?

1321
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:19,279
Speaker 6: If they're not made up, they're fucking stupid.

1322
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,600
Speaker 2: Oh, the whole audience is stupid, is all the Orthodox

1323
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:22,239
people are stupid?

1324
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 9: The ones watching right now?

1325
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:30,359
Speaker 2: I guess yeah, So the actual churches that would refute

1326
01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:32,600
your claim that I lie about all this, you don't

1327
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:33,079
care about that.

1328
01:18:34,079 --> 01:18:36,119
Speaker 16: You see what's happening right now, right I'm trying to

1329
01:18:36,199 --> 01:18:39,359
keep the conversation on what we dm about talking about.

1330
01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,119
Speaker 2: Bro you called me, You call me a liar? Sitting

1331
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:44,119
to you called me a liar.

1332
01:18:44,199 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 16: Dude, just slowly shift in a conversation that you feel

1333
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:48,159
like you can.

1334
01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 2: You call me a liar? Did you not?

1335
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:52,680
Speaker 16: The matter is, the Boomers don't look back at church

1336
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:53,520
when they were young.

1337
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,039
Speaker 2: They what are you even talking about? This is like

1338
01:18:56,079 --> 01:18:59,239
an eighty IQ conversation. The Boomers don't look at what

1339
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:04,479
the whole the whole two thousand people are laughing at you, bro,

1340
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:05,119
they look.

1341
01:19:05,039 --> 01:19:06,159
Speaker 6: Back at They don't, they don't.

1342
01:19:06,399 --> 01:19:09,000
Speaker 9: I don't give a fuck what they think. All two

1343
01:19:09,039 --> 01:19:09,640
thousand and eight.

1344
01:19:10,560 --> 01:19:13,520
Speaker 2: And so we're supposed to listen to you about so

1345
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,960
you want to give spiritual advice and we're supposed to

1346
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,239
listen to you. You're literally just telling the entire chat

1347
01:19:19,279 --> 01:19:19,920
to f off.

1348
01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:22,800
Speaker 9: Yeah you chat?

1349
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:26,520
Speaker 2: Okay. So this is Scott Sullivan the m M. A

1350
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:30,159
guy who has absolutely no qualification in any subject that

1351
01:19:30,199 --> 01:19:30,920
he's talking about.

1352
01:19:31,079 --> 01:19:32,640
Speaker 9: Oh you do I do I need to go? Do

1353
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:34,079
I need to go to college? Do I need to

1354
01:19:34,079 --> 01:19:34,760
get a PhD?

1355
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:36,840
Speaker 2: Do you do you do you read at all?

1356
01:19:36,960 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 6: Talk about what everybody has known.

1357
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 2: You want to talk about culture, and you have no

1358
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:44,560
qualifications in the subject matter? So yes, correct?

1359
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:45,159
Speaker 9: What? What?

1360
01:19:45,159 --> 01:19:46,920
Speaker 6: What qualifications would make you happy?

1361
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 2: What any any at all?

1362
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:49,640
Speaker 6: What school do I need to go?

1363
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 2: Can you give me any example of a single book

1364
01:19:52,680 --> 01:19:53,960
on culture that you've read?

1365
01:19:55,199 --> 01:19:58,600
Speaker 9: Uh? Julius and Bulla's The Whole Guest, Modern World, Ride

1366
01:19:58,640 --> 01:19:59,079
the Tiger.

1367
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:03,279
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so you're a perennialist. You're a perennialist.

1368
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:05,880
Speaker 6: More of a traditionalist.

1369
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:10,319
Speaker 2: Okay. Do you like Julius Evela's discussions of magical butt sex?

1370
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 9: Yeah? Sure? Sure?

1371
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:15,159
Speaker 2: Is that is that good for culture?

1372
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:16,600
Speaker 9: No?

1373
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,600
Speaker 6: But I think right, the Tiger is good for culture?

1374
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,800
Speaker 2: Okay? And what are we supposed to go to some

1375
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:27,479
sort of a what fascist magical? Uh? Like leader? That's

1376
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:28,399
a that's a magician.

1377
01:20:29,079 --> 01:20:31,199
Speaker 6: Actually, Evola rejected the Fascist party.

1378
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:32,319
Speaker 18: Uh.

1379
01:20:32,399 --> 01:20:35,239
Speaker 2: If you read his Metaphysics of Sexuality, he argues that

1380
01:20:35,279 --> 01:20:37,720
we should have magical butt sex. So do you agree

1381
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:38,199
with that or not?

1382
01:20:39,399 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 6: Well, I've never read that book. Bottom line.

1383
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,159
Speaker 16: Bottom line is that the culture is shifting in a

1384
01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:47,439
direction that is not healthy for any of us. And

1385
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,720
you can sit here and have your internet slat flights,

1386
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,560
But what are you doing to actually move the needle

1387
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,039
back into a healthy place?

1388
01:20:54,239 --> 01:20:59,119
Speaker 2: How about debating all how about opposingated? How about opposing

1389
01:20:59,399 --> 01:21:04,119
is capture? How about opposing But when I give you

1390
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:08,600
the counter examples material, When I give you the examples,

1391
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:10,159
you're done.

1392
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:12,920
Speaker 9: Fantastic thing. I don't think it's a bad thing at all.

1393
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:13,760
Don't get me wrong.

1394
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 2: Okay, but hey, the end of the day, he bro

1395
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:20,439
I'm blocking you. If you I'm blocking you, we're done.

1396
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People together, nobody, nobody cares about your low tier nonsense.

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Speaker 9: What's wrong with the world today is that the.

1398
01:21:32,319 --> 01:21:34,720
Speaker 2: Dude, you're not even competent to discuss any of this.

1399
01:21:36,119 --> 01:21:37,680
What you're saying doesn't even make sense.

1400
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Speaker 9: That's all you're doing. That's literally all you do, man.

1401
01:21:40,399 --> 01:21:42,439
Speaker 2: And it's all I do is back in my day?

1402
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:43,319
What does that even mean?

1403
01:21:44,039 --> 01:21:46,319
Speaker 6: And make the conversation into one that you feel like

1404
01:21:46,399 --> 01:21:46,960
you can win.

1405
01:21:47,199 --> 01:21:47,560
Speaker 9: You can?

1406
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 4: You can?

1407
01:21:49,159 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 2: You mean when you accuse me of lying? Understand that,

1408
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:55,560
when you accuse me of lying, and then I show

1409
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:59,479
you all right, all right, we're done. You're done. That

1410
01:21:59,640 --> 01:22:04,239
was the dumbest shit I've heard in ages. That was

1411
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:11,600
the stupidest bunch of nonsense. He read one level of books.

1412
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:15,840
So there we go. Yeah, roid rage exactly, So you'll

1413
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,199
notice what these people do is like they'll say something

1414
01:22:18,319 --> 01:22:21,520
like you're lying, it's all made up. There's not people

1415
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:24,720
who've converted. And then when I start to give the examples,

1416
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:30,920
he says, I don't give a shit. Wow, Charles, what's up.

1417
01:22:34,039 --> 01:22:34,159
Speaker 16: They?

1418
01:22:34,279 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 9: Can you hear me?

1419
01:22:36,640 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1420
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,680
Speaker 27: I just want to totally counter signal that last guy

1421
01:22:40,159 --> 01:22:44,359
with an idiot. I know you've made a big impression

1422
01:22:44,399 --> 01:22:47,479
on my life and any friends who are interested again

1423
01:22:48,319 --> 01:22:51,239
in you know, inquiring into Orthodoxy things like that, just

1424
01:22:51,319 --> 01:22:55,439
from listening to debates where real conversations happen. I think

1425
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:59,920
that's actually what's been lacking in a lot of the religious.

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01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:03,439
Speaker 2: Experience, total nonsets. Like I've literally been here, I've literally

1427
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:07,199
gone coast to coast meeting people. So here's the guy

1428
01:23:07,239 --> 01:23:11,960
if you guys want to go engage this moron, Scott

1429
01:23:12,039 --> 01:23:16,239
Sullivan MMA, the guy who literally just said f all

1430
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:19,560
of you in the chat. He doesn't care you're all idiots,

1431
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:25,840
and uh, here's what he actually looks like. And he

1432
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:29,439
the funny part was that he's like, I admit that

1433
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,600
I'm an idiot and I'm a shitty Catholic and you

1434
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:36,640
shouldn't listen to me about anything religious, But let me

1435
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:41,399
tell you how to solve culture's problems. And what isn't

1436
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:45,640
good with debating? Why would anyone listen to this individual

1437
01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:48,880
who literally can't even put together a coherent argument.

1438
01:23:50,039 --> 01:23:52,359
Speaker 9: No, I mean it's not even really worth even interesting.

1439
01:23:52,399 --> 01:23:54,000
Speaker 2: That was just so stupid.

1440
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:58,359
Speaker 27: But I meant, when he's pressed to discuss ideas, he

1441
01:23:58,399 --> 01:24:01,239
talks about Julius Evola like a fourteen year old.

1442
01:24:01,479 --> 01:24:05,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, which like a volat is a clown man.

1443
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:10,520
If you read his metaphysics of sexuality, he actually argues

1444
01:24:10,600 --> 01:24:14,640
that we should have magical butt sex. There's a whole

1445
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:16,439
chapter on it. I have the book, I've read it.

1446
01:24:17,199 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 27: No, the traditionless guys like went on and what's their

1447
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:21,359
shoe on?

1448
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 9: Like their pedophiles like weird.

1449
01:24:23,680 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 27: I mean maybe there's some interesting like right wing ideas, sure,

1450
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:29,640
but like as a general worldview, that's going to like

1451
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:33,840
spiritually reorient us just like gutter trash stuff.

1452
01:24:34,359 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a whole chapter in Aros and the Mysteries

1453
01:24:36,800 --> 01:24:41,079
of Love on magical butt sex and why he likes

1454
01:24:41,319 --> 01:24:45,279
Alistair Curley so much. So there you go, that's it's

1455
01:24:45,319 --> 01:24:52,319
not fundamentally a religious problem in society. It's moving the culture, Like,

1456
01:24:52,359 --> 01:25:01,319
what does that even mean? Chase, what's up? What's up doing?

1457
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,520
Speaker 9: Hey, it took a second time you. I just think

1458
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:05,079
it's funny.

1459
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:12,239
Speaker 12: Without any unchanging foundation and guidepost to what's morally acceptable

1460
01:25:12,359 --> 01:25:16,760
and what's not. Where does where can culture go anywhere?

1461
01:25:17,279 --> 01:25:22,239
Anywhere and everywhere? And so when you have distorted, incorrect

1462
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:27,800
religious worldview that does push perennialism like Roman Catholicism does.

1463
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:31,399
Now it's a false religion. What's that going to allow for?

1464
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:34,760
It's going to allow for any culture to do anything. So, yes,

1465
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:38,239
we want people in every aspect of culture, in music,

1466
01:25:38,319 --> 01:25:42,520
in art, and television. But the root problem is the

1467
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:47,319
religious framework that prevents certain transgressions like the stuff I'm

1468
01:25:47,319 --> 01:25:50,199
talking about with Evola taking place in the first it's

1469
01:25:51,399 --> 01:25:53,840
it's just so goofy, I don't understand.

1470
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. On top of that, by the way, he just

1471
01:25:59,479 --> 01:26:05,399
spent twenty minutes trying to debate telling me that debating

1472
01:26:05,479 --> 01:26:08,359
is stupid and futile. Imagine the stupidity and the lack

1473
01:26:08,399 --> 01:26:12,439
of self awareness to come to debate that debating is stupid.

1474
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,039
Speaker 12: I don't think he understands that. To be ho, I'm

1475
01:26:16,039 --> 01:26:18,680
not trying to be mean, like I thought, you know something.

1476
01:26:18,439 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 2: No, that was like this, this is a guy who's

1477
01:26:20,640 --> 01:26:23,239
like maybe a hunter IQ, like not even.

1478
01:26:23,399 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 12: And I've seen him pop up and have a couple

1479
01:26:24,920 --> 01:26:29,000
of funny moments in certain you know, you know, uh,

1480
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:31,319
YouTube things and stuff, and it was like, oh, you

1481
01:26:31,359 --> 01:26:32,640
had a funny moment or something.

1482
01:26:32,439 --> 01:26:33,600
Speaker 9: But it was yeah, it was just goofy.

1483
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 12: I just if you want, if you're saying the cultures

1484
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,319
headed in a bad direction, you're asking all these deeper

1485
01:26:39,359 --> 01:26:44,680
philosophical questions, which is what Jay's getting at, and it's

1486
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:45,399
it's just goofy.

1487
01:26:45,439 --> 01:26:47,439
Speaker 9: I just wanted to say, it's it's totally backwards.

1488
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:51,399
Speaker 12: You want people upstream in culture putting out good art

1489
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:56,840
that does glorify and magnify God and rebukes bullshit. And

1490
01:26:56,880 --> 01:27:00,680
then you need people going at the direct foundation to

1491
01:27:01,279 --> 01:27:05,119
go up you know upstream as well. Right, you need both.

1492
01:27:05,199 --> 01:27:09,000
You want everything. You want a whole culture informed by

1493
01:27:09,079 --> 01:27:09,479
the good.

1494
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. Here is Evilah by the way, talking about what

1495
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:33,000
he likes in Croley. So his answer to culture and

1496
01:27:33,079 --> 01:27:40,880
society is a lunatic promoting that magical b U T

1497
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:43,439
T se x. And so you can go read his

1498
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:49,680
assessments of Croley. It's around page two, sixty four, sixty five,

1499
01:27:50,399 --> 01:27:54,720
and I'm pretty sure he has a positive appropriation of

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01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,279
uh butt sex.

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01:27:57,079 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 12: Magic well and and again, what's what's funny about that

1502
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:06,439
is Crawley, you know, with the you know, the people

1503
01:28:06,479 --> 01:28:09,239
and the poo poo thing, he thought, you know, Oh,

1504
01:28:09,239 --> 01:28:13,000
it's the final transgression you know, someone can make, and

1505
01:28:13,119 --> 01:28:19,000
a transgression of what the very religious ordering that debating

1506
01:28:19,239 --> 01:28:23,800
these false religions as well as atheists and perennialists.

1507
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:28,000
Speaker 9: Allows for, like it's just or sorry, wouldn't allow for

1508
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:29,760
if they were in place.

1509
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,279
Speaker 12: But I'm gonna head out. I'm gonna go go listen,

1510
01:28:32,760 --> 01:28:34,600
christ has Risen, have a good.

1511
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:48,680
Speaker 11: One, Jay, what's up?

1512
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:55,920
Speaker 2: Man? Sonic, what's up?

1513
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:01,600
Speaker 4: Hey? Bro? Didn't realize I was up.

1514
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 23: Hey.

1515
01:29:05,479 --> 01:29:10,520
Speaker 28: This all sounds very sophisticated, but I'm curious as far.

1516
01:29:10,359 --> 01:29:13,720
Speaker 4: As these guys go, who just.

1517
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:17,359
Speaker 23: Kind of launch in to things that they're ill equipped for,

1518
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:19,359
even on a daylight today.

1519
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:23,159
Speaker 4: Truthfully, I'm not.

1520
01:29:23,159 --> 01:29:25,159
Speaker 23: Much of a reader as far as this stuff goes.

1521
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 4: I'm saved by grace, but I'm.

1522
01:29:27,279 --> 01:29:29,520
Speaker 23: Just curious about how this plays into.

1523
01:29:29,279 --> 01:29:31,600
Speaker 4: Guys who are willing to do nothing but to act.

1524
01:29:32,319 --> 01:29:36,039
Speaker 28: As far as this all sounds very book smart, but

1525
01:29:36,079 --> 01:29:37,279
where does it come in.

1526
01:29:37,199 --> 01:29:40,199
Speaker 4: For people who are just tired and who are.

1527
01:29:40,079 --> 01:29:45,439
Speaker 29: Ready to act on whatever their exhaustion is with where

1528
01:29:45,439 --> 01:29:47,680
they're at.

1529
01:29:48,680 --> 01:29:50,560
Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean act?

1530
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:51,199
Speaker 4: What do you mean?

1531
01:29:58,600 --> 01:30:01,560
Speaker 28: So you guys are talking about like authors, right, You're

1532
01:30:01,600 --> 01:30:06,079
talking about like different authors and like Christian Cannon from

1533
01:30:06,079 --> 01:30:12,319
what I've gathered, right, you guys are talking about authors

1534
01:30:12,359 --> 01:30:15,119
like like favor is kind of what.

1535
01:30:15,079 --> 01:30:15,760
Speaker 9: It sounds like.

1536
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:18,079
Speaker 2: Evila is a pagan, so he has nothing to do

1537
01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:19,119
with Christianity.

1538
01:30:20,079 --> 01:30:22,119
Speaker 4: Okay, So.

1539
01:30:24,199 --> 01:30:27,239
Speaker 23: Okay, so he referenced him.

1540
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 4: Do you have any that you're a fan of?

1541
01:30:32,399 --> 01:30:34,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? So look, man, it's a it's an open debate.

1542
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,399
So I mean, if you wanted to come to discuss

1543
01:30:37,439 --> 01:30:39,880
and have debate, that's fine. But I mean, I don't.

1544
01:30:40,319 --> 01:30:41,720
I just cannot understand.

1545
01:30:41,319 --> 01:30:44,279
Speaker 4: What you're after the debate. I'm just looking to further understand.

1546
01:30:46,199 --> 01:30:47,159
Speaker 2: I understand what.

1547
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,800
Speaker 4: You guys are are.

1548
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:56,399
Speaker 28: You're against Catholics, You're with Catholics.

1549
01:30:56,760 --> 01:30:58,439
Speaker 2: I am not Okay, I see what you're saying. I

1550
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:04,840
am not pro Catholic. No, I am against Catholicism. I'm Orthodox,

1551
01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:07,800
but we also debate Protestants, atheists, or whoever would like

1552
01:31:07,840 --> 01:31:08,399
to come debate.

1553
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:15,600
Speaker 23: Okay, for the most part, Protestants have been against Catholics.

1554
01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:17,159
Speaker 4: Next as part as what.

1555
01:31:17,159 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 28: I'm perhaps I'm ill equipped to even be talking to

1556
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,039
you right now. But for the most part, the discourse

1557
01:31:23,079 --> 01:31:26,079
I've seen is Protestants and Catholics against each other.

1558
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:29,680
Speaker 2: M what about it?

1559
01:31:32,079 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 4: Them just arguing for more structure.

1560
01:31:34,119 --> 01:31:41,119
Speaker 23: People online in suits Orthodox not Orthodox Liberal versions of

1561
01:31:41,159 --> 01:31:42,199
these religions.

1562
01:31:43,359 --> 01:31:45,399
Speaker 4: Whether to get in a suit to go to church

1563
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:47,520
or not a suit not a church man.

1564
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,720
Speaker 28: I don't know if anyone else can relate, but I

1565
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:51,119
just don't go to church.

1566
01:31:51,319 --> 01:31:53,399
Speaker 4: I'm sure a lot of people can relate that they

1567
01:31:53,439 --> 01:31:54,359
don't go to church.

1568
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:55,439
Speaker 9: Do you go to church?

1569
01:31:56,760 --> 01:31:58,159
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1570
01:31:58,359 --> 01:31:59,000
Speaker 1: You go to church?

1571
01:31:59,039 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 4: How many times a week?

1572
01:32:02,840 --> 01:32:04,239
Speaker 2: Usually one? Maybe two?

1573
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:06,960
Speaker 4: What Sunday and Wednesday?

1574
01:32:08,119 --> 01:32:11,239
Speaker 2: Uh? Well, Orthodox church usually has other services. It's not

1575
01:32:11,239 --> 01:32:16,199
really Wednesday, but generally Sunday, but some other days sometimes

1576
01:32:16,199 --> 01:32:17,640
we have a Saturday service.

1577
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:24,640
Speaker 4: Okay, so generally on the weekends. What about the people that.

1578
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:29,560
Speaker 28: Don't partake in these quote unquote bodies of Christ at all?

1579
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's not typically the Orthodox attitude to

1580
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:37,039
judge people individually, but I mean, we do believe that

1581
01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:44,199
humans were made to engage in ordered worship towards God. Yeah,

1582
01:32:44,319 --> 01:32:45,600
in a community.

1583
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,279
Speaker 30: Is that based somewhat off the scripture of where one

1584
01:32:48,359 --> 01:32:49,319
or two were gathered?

1585
01:32:50,279 --> 01:32:53,520
Speaker 2: Is well? I mean yeah, partly. And then you know

1586
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:59,640
Paul says, don't forsake the coming together. Yeah.

1587
01:32:59,760 --> 01:33:04,279
Speaker 30: Well, would you say to people who are struggling to find.

1588
01:33:04,039 --> 01:33:07,680
Speaker 2: That at all, Well, I would say, go check out

1589
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:09,880
an Orthodox church, Go visit one.

1590
01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:17,560
Speaker 1: Orthodox what not Orthodox Protestant, not Orthodox.

1591
01:33:17,359 --> 01:33:22,279
Speaker 2: East Eastern Orthodox Church, the Orthodox Catholic Church, specific.

1592
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:28,279
Speaker 4: The Eastern Orthodox Catholic Church. Correct, Okay?

1593
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:30,800
Speaker 28: And I I'm of course coming to you as a

1594
01:33:30,840 --> 01:33:34,039
gentleman who has grown up in church almost my entire life,

1595
01:33:34,600 --> 01:33:36,560
left it at probably the age.

1596
01:33:36,359 --> 01:33:42,399
Speaker 4: Of separate seventeen and never went back. You don't feel

1597
01:33:42,399 --> 01:33:44,119
like there's any like vetting.

1598
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,199
Speaker 9: Process you have to have with these churches.

1599
01:33:46,279 --> 01:33:49,840
Speaker 30: You feel like anyone could enter these places and pretty.

1600
01:33:49,640 --> 01:33:52,720
Speaker 4: Much be set. Now.

1601
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,720
Speaker 2: The Orthodox Church is the strictest for vetting.

1602
01:33:58,119 --> 01:34:02,199
Speaker 4: Okay, which is my elaborating on that. As far as

1603
01:34:02,239 --> 01:34:04,039
what their vetting processes.

1604
01:34:03,560 --> 01:34:07,239
Speaker 2: Are, it's usually one to three years before you become

1605
01:34:07,359 --> 01:34:09,520
a member of the Orthodox Church.

1606
01:34:12,119 --> 01:34:13,119
Speaker 4: Schooling of.

1607
01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:18,079
Speaker 2: No attending the services and going through what's called a catechumenate.

1608
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:25,520
Speaker 30: Yeah, and that is what the deacons.

1609
01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:26,279
Speaker 4: The elders.

1610
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:32,279
Speaker 2: You mean making the decision. Yes, well, yeah, there's there's

1611
01:34:32,319 --> 01:34:35,439
priests and deacons and then so basically a person first

1612
01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,479
inquires and then they go through a process of being

1613
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:42,239
a catech human for anywhere from six months to three years,

1614
01:34:42,279 --> 01:34:46,880
depending upon what priests and deacons determine correct.

1615
01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,319
Speaker 30: And what sort of quality is that these people do

1616
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:51,840
they filter out?

1617
01:34:52,199 --> 01:34:53,399
Speaker 4: Are there any.

1618
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:56,680
Speaker 2: Well? Usually in that time period, they're just looking to

1619
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:58,600
see if you really do want to be in the

1620
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:02,039
church and you are serious about learning it and keeping

1621
01:35:02,079 --> 01:35:03,439
to it's you know, teachings.

1622
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 23: So okay, what about it's the quality of the people

1623
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,119
that they're actually getting involved.

1624
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 30: Is it mostly in these kind of liberal non denominational

1625
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:22,680
churches that they just do that and kind of make

1626
01:35:22,760 --> 01:35:28,279
sure you're conformative enough, or do they have some sort

1627
01:35:28,279 --> 01:35:33,439
of deeper framework to actually vet the men who are

1628
01:35:33,479 --> 01:35:34,399
becoming involved.

1629
01:35:35,039 --> 01:35:37,279
Speaker 2: Are you talking about just joining the church, people going

1630
01:35:37,279 --> 01:35:38,560
into the ministry.

1631
01:35:39,359 --> 01:35:41,439
Speaker 4: People actually becoming part of the ministry.

1632
01:35:41,560 --> 01:35:43,920
Speaker 2: Oh no, it's very strict. I mean that doesn't mean

1633
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:47,159
that there can't be you know, still evil people, but

1634
01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:49,920
it's it's more strict than anywhere else.

1635
01:35:52,319 --> 01:35:54,119
Speaker 31: That's that's what I'm interested though.

1636
01:35:54,199 --> 01:35:58,039
Speaker 4: How are how is this Ether Eastern.

1637
01:35:57,800 --> 01:36:00,079
Speaker 9: Orthodox mythology.

1638
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 4: Preventing the wolves among sheep?

1639
01:36:03,680 --> 01:36:06,560
Speaker 2: Well, again, there's no perfect system, because there can always

1640
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:09,600
be people who maybe even begin good and then turn evil.

1641
01:36:10,279 --> 01:36:12,800
So there is no perfect system, but it has the

1642
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:17,279
strictest canonical prescriptions on who can and cannot be a

1643
01:36:17,319 --> 01:36:18,520
member of the priesthood.

1644
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:21,600
Speaker 9: Could you elaborate on that a little bit deeper.

1645
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:26,399
Speaker 2: I mean, there's just all kinds of things, for example,

1646
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:29,159
that can disqualify you from being a priest if you

1647
01:36:29,239 --> 01:36:33,039
were you know, if you had a criminal background, if

1648
01:36:33,079 --> 01:36:36,560
you were abusive to your spouse, or I mean, there's

1649
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:47,720
all kinds of things that can disqualify you. Okay, well, look,

1650
01:36:47,720 --> 01:36:50,279
what I would suggest is, if you're interested in this topic,

1651
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:53,920
there's a great documentary that is a good introductory documentary.

1652
01:36:53,920 --> 01:36:57,039
It's called The Icon. It's a seven part documentary. I

1653
01:36:57,079 --> 01:37:00,399
would say go check that out. James Beaty White, what's

1654
01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:00,880
up man?

1655
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:07,039
Speaker 9: Hello? Can you hear me?

1656
01:37:07,119 --> 01:37:07,319
Speaker 4: Yep?

1657
01:37:08,039 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 9: Awesome.

1658
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:10,960
Speaker 31: So this is not exactly theologically oriented.

1659
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:13,319
Speaker 9: So I do apologize. That's okay.

1660
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:17,000
Speaker 32: I am in university and my brothers and so people

1661
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:20,640
at university and my brothers they're like dug in on

1662
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,239
like Andrew tap manosphere, and I'm just curious from you,

1663
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:26,800
what are the strongest arguments I can make to you know.

1664
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,000
Speaker 6: Because when someone comes up to with this nonsense, I.

1665
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:31,479
Speaker 24: Want to I don't want to just say oh, he's bad, because.

1666
01:37:31,239 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 9: You know, I want to.

1667
01:37:32,840 --> 01:37:35,520
Speaker 6: Actually have reasonable reasons to say this is false.

1668
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:39,479
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the manosphere only goes so far in

1669
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:44,000
terms of like critique. Okay, so I critiques feminism, but

1670
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:49,680
what's the positive that it's providing after the critique? So

1671
01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:55,319
basically it's just going to say what stack stack cheddar

1672
01:37:55,800 --> 01:37:58,520
stack crypto and try to get laid like that's all

1673
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,000
there is to it. So it's just based a hedonistic

1674
01:38:02,239 --> 01:38:07,720
response to a problem in society, and you can't really

1675
01:38:08,319 --> 01:38:12,840
solve that level of a problem, which obviously you know,

1676
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,560
feminism all this stuff is like a massive problem with

1677
01:38:18,159 --> 01:38:23,359
limited hedonism, right, So how is that going to fix anything,

1678
01:38:23,399 --> 01:38:27,720
solve anything? I mean, you can take measure and be

1679
01:38:28,039 --> 01:38:30,479
you know, careful and restrictive for your personal life in

1680
01:38:30,560 --> 01:38:33,680
terms of like, you know, if I'm going to start

1681
01:38:33,760 --> 01:38:35,439
dating a girl, I want to know, you know, as

1682
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:37,439
much as I can about her background. I want to

1683
01:38:37,479 --> 01:38:41,520
know what the likelihood is of her, you know, I

1684
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:45,600
don't know, trying to steal money and be a gold digger, right, Like,

1685
01:38:45,640 --> 01:38:49,680
you can take all these precautions or whatever, But I

1686
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,600
just don't think Islam or hedonism is going to be

1687
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:57,000
a solution to real problems. And at the same time,

1688
01:38:57,159 --> 01:39:02,000
I'm starting to think that more and more the quote

1689
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:05,359
red pill stuff in terms of the movement, not the

1690
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:09,079
individual arguments or critiques or positions they're being debated, but

1691
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:13,199
the move of the red pill in terms of the

1692
01:39:13,359 --> 01:39:17,520
influencers I think is probably going to turn more and

1693
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:22,960
more in the direction of pushing Islam. Maybe not, maybe

1694
01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,279
it won't go in that direction, but that's what I suspect.

1695
01:39:25,479 --> 01:39:30,279
And so because a lot of these people and influencers

1696
01:39:30,359 --> 01:39:34,720
are pushing what they're pushing based on funding, I don't

1697
01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:37,079
have proof of who's funding or pushing a lot of

1698
01:39:37,119 --> 01:39:40,359
the stuff that's out there, and obviously there's individual grifters

1699
01:39:40,399 --> 01:39:44,600
and all this kind of stuff, but I do think

1700
01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:49,079
that there's probably some Islamic push in the background, and

1701
01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:53,279
that makes sense with where they're trying to move these things,

1702
01:39:55,119 --> 01:39:57,319
and so probably they're going to try to say, after

1703
01:39:58,199 --> 01:40:03,399
you know, years of that, they're going to say, well, look,

1704
01:40:03,439 --> 01:40:06,960
I guess you know, look straight up, hedonism isn't gonna

1705
01:40:06,960 --> 01:40:19,520
work the solutions Islam. But I'm I'm speculating here, slow boy,

1706
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:24,119
can you hear me? Yeah, what's up?

1707
01:40:25,239 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 9: What's up? Man?

1708
01:40:26,359 --> 01:40:29,119
Speaker 29: Not that you need to defense at all, but the

1709
01:40:29,159 --> 01:40:32,359
guy earlier saying that you like, you don't have converts

1710
01:40:32,399 --> 01:40:34,680
going to the church because you know.

1711
01:40:36,640 --> 01:40:38,039
Speaker 4: You're lying or something.

1712
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:39,760
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm I came out.

1713
01:40:39,800 --> 01:40:43,520
Speaker 29: I was born into onest Pentecostal, went into Calvinism, and

1714
01:40:43,520 --> 01:40:46,880
then now I'm in an Antiochian church because of the

1715
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:51,079
type of arguments you give against Catholicism and Protestantism. So

1716
01:40:51,439 --> 01:40:54,640
and there's actually another guy in the church that I

1717
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:58,479
went to with Pashka last night, and he came out

1718
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:03,359
of shamanism and a whole bunch of other stuff because

1719
01:41:03,359 --> 01:41:04,039
of you as well.

1720
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:06,600
Speaker 4: So it's kind of the dude's.

1721
01:41:06,319 --> 01:41:09,199
Speaker 29: Just like blatantly just trying to talk over you and

1722
01:41:09,279 --> 01:41:10,600
just trying to spew out shit.

1723
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:11,640
Speaker 4: So it makes sense.

1724
01:41:11,720 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, it's like many

1725
01:41:14,920 --> 01:41:17,000
of you guys have been to our live events, and

1726
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,279
we don't have thousands of people at a live event.

1727
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:22,960
We get anywhere from one hundred to one hundred and twenty.

1728
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,920
But we've done many live events in the last several years.

1729
01:41:26,600 --> 01:41:30,920
And if you tally that up together with what people

1730
01:41:31,039 --> 01:41:34,079
like Father Whitford, or what Father Josiah or what Father

1731
01:41:34,199 --> 01:41:37,600
Moses and all these people are saying, and yes, it's cumulative.

1732
01:41:37,640 --> 01:41:39,359
I'm not saying, oh, it's all just me. I know,

1733
01:41:40,239 --> 01:41:43,880
you know what we've been doing here has resulted since

1734
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:47,319
twenty eighteen. I mean, there's twelve thousand people in the

1735
01:41:47,319 --> 01:41:50,119
discord alone, right, and I don't spend a lot of

1736
01:41:50,159 --> 01:41:52,880
time in there, but that was my discord, and me

1737
01:41:53,079 --> 01:41:57,239
and Kai and Lewis and all the other mods and

1738
01:41:57,359 --> 01:42:00,880
David helped build that up, and they all converted back

1739
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:04,960
in the twenty seventeen sixteen era phase. And there's been

1740
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:09,760
waves of this for almost eight or nine years. The

1741
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:14,720
channel has one hundred and sixty thousand subscribers. You could

1742
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:17,840
calculate that at least some portion of that are people

1743
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:21,079
who converted to Orthodoxy, which would be in the thousands,

1744
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:25,600
and so I can extrapolate from everyone else's testimonies to

1745
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:31,560
their churches, catechumen and growth that yeah, of course it

1746
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:34,159
is at least in the thousands. But that's not just me.

1747
01:42:34,319 --> 01:42:38,560
That's cumulative. It's also other you know, Father Moses' channel

1748
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:41,199
just popped off to he's got like over one hundred

1749
01:42:41,199 --> 01:42:49,439
thousand subscribers. Andrew's channel has grown, right, Father Josiah's channel

1750
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:53,479
is large, you know. So it's like, of course there's

1751
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:55,439
a lot of people converting Orthodoxy and then he just

1752
01:42:55,439 --> 01:42:58,880
dismisses it. I don't go, shit, well, but you said

1753
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:02,119
that there weren't these people converting, and then when I

1754
01:43:02,199 --> 01:43:07,720
tell you now you don't care. Right, It's just like

1755
01:43:08,039 --> 01:43:10,920
there's something that dude's got something off. There's something wrong

1756
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:12,920
with that dude. I don't know what set him off.

1757
01:43:13,000 --> 01:43:15,880
Because if we want to talk about, let's talk about

1758
01:43:15,880 --> 01:43:18,840
the razor fit situation. Because all it was was me again,

1759
01:43:19,000 --> 01:43:23,319
just simply asking him for a debate, so very simple

1760
01:43:23,359 --> 01:43:25,800
for ever everybody knows, Like, because I know that a

1761
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,520
lot of these people are gonna have meltdowns, I intentionally

1762
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:32,319
keep the questions simple and brief. In the DMS would

1763
01:43:32,319 --> 01:43:41,600
you like to debate, and I'll show you what here was.

1764
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:46,279
This was his reply. Look at this insanity. Your calo,

1765
01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:48,119
he means cal I don't think he knows that the

1766
01:43:48,119 --> 01:43:53,359
word callous is not the word callo. Right, your callo

1767
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:56,640
attempts to draw viewership by turning Christianity to combat sport

1768
01:43:56,640 --> 01:43:59,199
as a shy side show. I harbor nothing but contempt

1769
01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:03,199
for you and by you by my anger. But my

1770
01:44:03,279 --> 01:44:05,960
anger burns compared to what the Lord prescribes for those

1771
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:07,520
who mock him. I mean, it was this guy drunk

1772
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:10,479
last night when he's posting this. This is precisely what

1773
01:44:10,479 --> 01:44:13,279
you have done. I refuse to be complicit in your profanation.

1774
01:44:13,680 --> 01:44:15,560
You should be a same ashamed of yourself. I hope

1775
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:19,840
you repent. Like this is like weird. People need to study,

1776
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:24,000
like the meltdowns that I get just for a simple text.

1777
01:44:24,319 --> 01:44:27,239
Would you like to do a formal debate? And I

1778
01:44:27,279 --> 01:44:31,520
asked him a specific topic? He was like, you never

1779
01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:35,479
gave me a specific topic. No, I actually gave you

1780
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:38,479
a list. In fact, I'll show you the list because

1781
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:50,600
I posted it. So again, just it's weird that people

1782
01:44:50,600 --> 01:44:55,079
will be dishonest about stuff that there's receipts. Right Like,

1783
01:44:57,439 --> 01:44:59,520
he's like, you never told me a topic to debate,

1784
01:45:00,079 --> 01:45:02,960
specifically said because he talked smack against Orthodox right. He's like,

1785
01:45:03,079 --> 01:45:06,000
Orthodox are a bunch of bearded idiots and all this

1786
01:45:06,079 --> 01:45:10,319
kind of stuff. And he says they reject all the

1787
01:45:10,399 --> 01:45:12,399
church fathers in the West. I was like, what are

1788
01:45:12,399 --> 01:45:16,159
you talking about? That's not even true. Here we go.

1789
01:45:22,359 --> 01:45:28,640
Razorfist says, you are challenging every pundit who remotely disagrees

1790
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,920
with you. No, no, no, you talk smack about Orthodoxy. Hi,

1791
01:45:31,960 --> 01:45:34,520
I'm father beard Man. Today I'm going to explain you

1792
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:36,199
that I can save the West by converting to an

1793
01:45:36,279 --> 01:45:39,880
Orthodox offshoot of Christianity that rejects every Western church father

1794
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,680
from Augustine to Ambrose. First of all, august and Ambrose

1795
01:45:42,720 --> 01:45:48,000
are contemporary, so his comment is idiotic. And here is

1796
01:45:48,039 --> 01:45:51,520
the DM. Would you like to publicly debate your claim?

1797
01:45:51,960 --> 01:45:56,960
This was your claim? But he says, you never actually

1798
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:03,520
gave me something to debate or disagree with them? Right,

1799
01:46:08,680 --> 01:46:13,800
he says, you're Orthrow bro vouch, which is preposterous. But

1800
01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:16,920
what is it that you actually agree with? What must

1801
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:21,680
be proven? I was very specific the first time, so

1802
01:46:22,079 --> 01:46:24,479
after I proved that he was not sign the truth.

1803
01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:28,239
Then he had this DM meltdown at me, right, So

1804
01:46:28,319 --> 01:46:33,439
that was three times, three separate times, specifically offering him

1805
01:46:34,079 --> 01:46:37,960
specific topics, and he's not telling you the truth. He's lying.

1806
01:46:38,000 --> 01:46:40,560
He's saying, you never told me a specific topic. And

1807
01:46:41,159 --> 01:46:43,680
by the way, you're a complete piece of human garbage.

1808
01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:48,359
Like it's weird. Like that's like just the attitude and

1809
01:46:48,399 --> 01:46:52,159
the reactions of these people is so bizarre to me,

1810
01:46:52,680 --> 01:46:58,119
Like that I just don't understand, because it's the same

1811
01:46:58,119 --> 01:47:00,800
with Calvin Robinson, same with him and some other guy

1812
01:47:00,800 --> 01:47:02,760
that was up here. It's like, all I do is

1813
01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,479
send a simple message saying, would you like to have

1814
01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:08,560
a formal debate. We can do it moderated or conversational,

1815
01:47:09,079 --> 01:47:24,000
and then you get meltdowns as wild Greg Bobby c

1816
01:47:24,159 --> 01:47:27,039
five dollars by her logic, New Year's Eve is a

1817
01:47:27,079 --> 01:47:34,199
celebration of the pagan worship of Janice. Exactly what's up, Greg,

1818
01:47:36,399 --> 01:47:37,119
and what's going on?

1819
01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:37,520
Speaker 9: Jay?

1820
01:47:37,880 --> 01:47:41,239
Speaker 33: So I have a question that I'd like to get

1821
01:47:41,239 --> 01:47:45,279
your perspective on and see if you're able to reconcile.

1822
01:47:46,239 --> 01:47:51,119
So in Matthew twenty four, verse thirty, it says that

1823
01:47:51,199 --> 01:47:55,159
the coming of the Son of Man would occur, and

1824
01:47:55,239 --> 01:47:57,079
that his audience would see.

1825
01:47:57,479 --> 01:47:58,520
Speaker 4: The coming of the Son of Man.

1826
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:01,680
Speaker 33: In Verse thirty four states all those things will take

1827
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:04,279
place before the passing of that generation.

1828
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:07,439
Speaker 2: Let's called preterism. I've argued for it, done many videos

1829
01:48:07,479 --> 01:48:09,800
on it. So that's seventy eight. He came in judgment,

1830
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,399
just like Ezekiel and Isaiah says that God coming in

1831
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:16,680
judgment on the clouds against Egypt or against God Israel's

1832
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:21,000
enemies is a coming, sure, and.

1833
01:48:20,960 --> 01:48:22,319
Speaker 4: I don't have any problem with that.

1834
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:26,760
Speaker 33: My challenge, however, to you, is how do you, or

1835
01:48:27,680 --> 01:48:32,159
even anyone else, for that matter, postulates a yet future.

1836
01:48:32,319 --> 01:48:33,159
Speaker 4: Coming of the Lord?

1837
01:48:33,239 --> 01:48:35,279
Speaker 33: If that coming to the Lord that Jesus mentioned in

1838
01:48:35,279 --> 01:48:37,960
Matthew twenty four was fulfilled in eighty.

1839
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 2: Seventy did you not call in recently about this very

1840
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:44,039
same subject matter? Do we not already have this conversation.

1841
01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:49,239
Speaker 33: I don't know what recent is, because I haven't talked

1842
01:48:49,239 --> 01:48:49,920
to you about this.

1843
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:51,600
Speaker 4: I tried to.

1844
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:53,119
Speaker 2: Ask, you don't know what recent is?

1845
01:48:53,399 --> 01:48:56,159
Speaker 33: I mean, well, I mean because if you mean recent,

1846
01:48:56,319 --> 01:48:57,399
maybe six months ago.

1847
01:48:57,520 --> 01:48:58,680
Speaker 4: I tried to call in.

1848
01:48:59,159 --> 01:49:02,840
Speaker 33: And we didn't have a lengthy conversation. He just booted

1849
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:06,720
me out, but with recent as like a last month, no,

1850
01:49:07,359 --> 01:49:07,880
or two months?

1851
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:10,039
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, there was a guy who asked the exact

1852
01:49:10,079 --> 01:49:12,439
same question maybe two weeks ago, so I thought maybe

1853
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:17,159
that was you. But yeah, I believe in a double fulfillment.

1854
01:49:17,399 --> 01:49:21,159
Just like in the Maccabees, you have a double fulfillment

1855
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for the profanation of the temple under the Maccabees that

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Jesus says the desolation is seventy eight? So is that two?

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Is that two things.

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Speaker 9: Of the Maccabean revolved.

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Speaker 2: The profi nation of the temple under the Maccabees, that's

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called the abomination? So is that too? Is that too? Okay?

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So it's possible for these to be mirrored.

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Speaker 33: Uh, you know, I believe that there's a possibility of

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dual fulfillment.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a dual fulfillment of the removal of

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the tabernacle of the entire universe because the time was

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a symbol of the tabernacle of the universe according to

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Hebrews seven. That hasn't happened yet.

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Speaker 33: Now so now here, here's here's my contention, Because if

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we're gonna say that dual fulfillment is possible, right.

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Speaker 2: You just admitted it was no, no, and I agree.

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Speaker 4: I agree, But why not?

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Speaker 33: Why can someone not say tri fulfillment or quad fulfillment.

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Speaker 2: Because the eschatological removal of the universe a lah Hebrews

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and what the temple signified would would by definition be

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the eschatological final one. There wouldn't be a third one.

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Speaker 9: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So and this is where we have agreement, is that

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there's only two. Now here's my problem.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're you just asserted that the thing that

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is not clear. You said there's only two, meaning that

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you think it's just seventy eight D. I just got

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you to admit that it's possible. Where was the removal

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of the universe and it's tabernacle?

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Speaker 4: Are you talking about it in eighty seventy?

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Speaker 2: That was the removal? That was the removal of the temple.

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Where was the removal of Where was the removal of

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what the temple symbolized.

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Speaker 4: So that that was them?

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Speaker 2: Where what does the temple symbolize Heaven and Earth? Where

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was the removal of heaven and earth?

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Speaker 4: But that's what you're not understanding.

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Speaker 2: Now I do understand. I know what full Preterism says,

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and I'm getting you to point out to understand that

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the removal of the temple is signifying, according to Hebrews,

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the removal of the literal physical cosmos, the heavens and

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the earth.

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Speaker 33: But that that's presupposing that it's referring to the literal

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heaven and earth.

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Speaker 9: My gosh.

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Speaker 2: So if the temple, if the temple is a symbol

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of the heavens and the earth, and the temples destroyed,

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that's a prophetic prediction of the destruction of the thing

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that it signifies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but it was removed under the Babylon. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Just what was removed?

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Speaker 4: The temple by neb was already destroyed.

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Speaker 2: The temple in Jesus's day, the one that he calls

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the the abomination of desolation, the one that Hebrews is

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referring to. Hebrews is not referring to Nebicaneseer's temple. Hebrews

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is not referring to Nebucaneser era temple. Why are you

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getting madgic and now you're changing the subject to make

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it personal. Is Hebrews referring to Nebucaneseer's simple Is Hebrews

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referring to nobicaneseer, simple, where is Hebrews referring to Nebucaneser's temple.

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Speaker 4: Is referring to the temple in eight?

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Speaker 2: Correct? And that signified what you already admitted, the heavens

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and the earth?

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Speaker 9: Right?

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Speaker 2: Yes, right? So when was the destruction of the heavens

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and the earth the thing the temple stands for?

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Speaker 9: All?

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Speaker 2: Right, exactly? This is why I booted you, because this

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is so stupid. Oh my gosh, there's the genius of

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full preterism, folks, the guys who believe that the Bali

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resurrection already happened. There you go. You see that the

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thing that it signifies was fulfilled when it was destroyed.

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Imagine being this stupid wid seth.

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Speaker 9: Hey, how's it going.

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Speaker 2: What's up?

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Speaker 9: Hi?

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Speaker 31: I'm a Protestant and I like to be pannon.

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Speaker 2: Okay, have time?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 26: Yeah, So I read that book you recommended, The Formation

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of Cannon.

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Speaker 9: By by Lee.

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Speaker 26: Martin McDonald's and yeah, I was surprised about you know

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how liberal he was actually, and and yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well F F. Bruce is a conservative and he

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says a lot of the same stuff, so does yours.

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Love of Pelican.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I understand that.

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Speaker 2: Have you well, have you read those books?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: You read all those books.

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Speaker 9: Yes, I read Bruce's book. I read Martin McDonald's book.

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I read Krueger's.

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Speaker 4: Book on the canon and Pelican.

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Speaker 31: Not Pelicanya No, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 26: Anyways, I just don't think that they put all the

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pieces together and so they give a good data.

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Speaker 2: Well all they all I'm getting right, But all I'm

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getting from them is that they admit this crucial role

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of tradition, and that pretty much ends Protestant them.

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Speaker 4: I don't think so necessarily.

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Speaker 2: Because yeah, good, so tell me why, yeah.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, sure.

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Speaker 31: Uh well, so solo scripture isn't against tradition.

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Speaker 2: It's just that I know what you think.

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Speaker 16: I know.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, well you asked me to tell you some somehow

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to tell you. But uh so, solo scriptura isn't against tradition.

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It's just saying, scriptures our highest authority. So tradition is

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an authority, it's just not a infallible authority.

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Speaker 2: Do the do the apostles consider their verbal preaching the

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word of God?

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Speaker 9: Yes?

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Speaker 2: Okay? Is that binding?

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Speaker 9: Yes? It's binding?

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay.

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Speaker 26: We don't have any oral teaching from them. It's not

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containing scripture. How do you know that, Uh, there's no evidence.

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Speaker 2: Well no, you're saying that, but I mean the Orthodox Church,

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the Roman Catholic Church, believes that there is evidence of that.

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So how do you prove that there is no evidence

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of that?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 26: Because well it's more so lack of evidence. That's the

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reason why. Okay, well he doesn't understand why that the

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Roman Catholic Church in Eastern Orthoxy claim that they do

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have tradition outside of scripture.

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Speaker 31: But but just their belief doesn't prove that.

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Speaker 2: I didn't say that the belief and it did. I'm

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saying that we believe that there is that, and I

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want to know how you know that that doesn't exist.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, well I'm well, first of all, I'm saying it's

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possible it exists, but we just don't have any evidence

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of it.

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Speaker 2: How do you know that there's no evidence when I

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can give you the tradition of liturgical historians who talk

1990
01:56:42,359 --> 01:56:46,359
about the Apostolic liturgies that are not found in the scriptures.

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Speaker 26: Yeah, those liturgies exist, but we can't prove that they

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01:56:51,319 --> 01:56:53,760
go back to the Apostles in the exact same way

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with all the hotels.

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Speaker 2: Can we prove that Matthew wrote Matthew's Gospel.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we can have high confidence in that.

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Speaker 2: But no, no, how do you prove that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's through the church fathers.

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Speaker 2: Uh, that's tradition. That's an Apostolic.

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Speaker 4: Tradition, and tradition does not contradiction.

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Speaker 2: You just said that there's not Apostolic traditions, and now

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you're admitting that there is one that Matthew wrote Matthew.

2002
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Speaker 26: No, I'm saying there's no Apostolic tradition outside of the

2003
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teaching of scripture.

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Speaker 2: What about the authorship of Matthew.

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Speaker 26: Yes, yes, the authorship of Matthew is outside of scripture,

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thank you.

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Speaker 31: Not infallible, but it's not an infallible teaching.

2008
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Speaker 2: Well, you're you can assert that, but it refutes your

2009
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:41,880
previous claim that there's not Apostolic tradition outside of the Gospels.

2010
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And I gave you the example of Matthew's authorship, which

2011
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:47,840
now you're saying it is, so you contradicted yourself.

2012
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Speaker 26: No, I'm saying there is, you know, an Apostolic tradition

2013
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outside of scripture.

2014
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Speaker 2: You said that there's no evidence for that, there's no

2015
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proof for that. You just contradicted yourself by saying that

2016
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the authorship of Matthew is an Apostolic tradition. No, no,

2017
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I said, yes you did.

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Speaker 31: Oh no, I said that there is tradition outside of Scripture.

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Speaker 2: Like Matthew's authorship.

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Speaker 31: Yes, but that's not an infallible tradition.

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Speaker 2: Now you've moved the goalpost because you're inserting the word

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infallible that was never part of it. Is it an

2023
01:58:23,760 --> 01:58:30,079
Apostolic tradition outside of scripture? Is it an apostolture?

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Speaker 4: That?

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Speaker 2: Stop trying to change the subject when you just contradict yourself. Man,

2026
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is it or not?

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Speaker 24: Is it or not?

2028
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Speaker 2: No, don't hold on.

2029
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Speaker 5: Is it or not?

2030
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Speaker 2: It's a simple question. Either it's apisoltic tradition or it's not.

2031
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:49,680
I don't care about infallible. Yeah you said it, Okay,

2032
01:58:49,880 --> 01:58:52,920
you could call that. Two minutes ago you said there's

2033
01:58:52,960 --> 01:58:58,239
no evidence for extra normanta or extra biblical Apostolic tradition.

2034
01:58:59,319 --> 01:59:01,039
So you just contradicted yourself.

2035
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Speaker 4: Well, maybe I should have made myself more clear, or.

2036
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Speaker 2: Maybe you just shouldn't have contradicted.

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Speaker 26: Well, no, I don't think I contradicted because I I didn't.

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Speaker 2: No, you didn't qualify it to where you can get

2039
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:18,680
out of the contradiction. You said that there are no

2040
01:59:19,079 --> 01:59:22,520
apostolic traditions that we have any evidence for or proof for.

2041
01:59:23,359 --> 01:59:25,960
You literally just contradicted yourself with the authorship of Matthew

2042
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two minutes later.

2043
01:59:28,439 --> 01:59:30,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't get a chance to qualify myself, and.

2044
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Speaker 2: So maybe so because it's a country, you can't qualify

2045
01:59:33,039 --> 01:59:34,239
yourself out of a contradiction.

2046
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Speaker 4: No, I don't think it's a contradiction.

2047
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Speaker 2: I know you don't think that, but everybody heard you contradict.

2048
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Speaker 4: No, I don't think it's a contradiction.

2049
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Speaker 2: How is it not a contradiction when it's literally the

2050
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reverse of the previous statement? Because I think myself, how

2051
01:59:49,359 --> 01:59:51,840
is qualifying it going to get you out of a

2052
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:56,199
proposition and its negation? The entire chat, the entire chat

2053
01:59:56,319 --> 01:59:59,159
believes that you contradicted yourself. So how do you get

2054
01:59:59,199 --> 01:59:59,600
out of it?

2055
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Speaker 26: And I'll explain a few of me. Okay, So my

2056
02:00:04,880 --> 02:00:09,079
argument is, yes, there is addition outside.

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Speaker 2: Yes, did you claim that there is no evidence? You

2058
02:00:13,720 --> 02:00:16,680
said there's no evidence of that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I said there's no evidence of infallible.

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Speaker 2: Bind No, no, now you're changing infallible. The question was Apostolic tradition, Okay,

2061
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whether you think it's infallible or whether you think it's infallible.

2062
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I said, do you think that the Apostles believed that

2063
02:00:33,279 --> 02:00:37,279
their oral traditions were the word of God? And you

2064
02:00:37,319 --> 02:00:41,039
said yes. I said, are they binding? You said they

2065
02:00:41,079 --> 02:00:43,199
would be, But we don't have any of that. There's

2066
02:00:43,199 --> 02:00:46,199
no evidence of that. Two minutes later, you said that

2067
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there is apostolic tradition of the Fathers that Matthew wrote, Matthew,

2068
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that's a contradiction because now you're saying there is evidence

2069
02:00:54,000 --> 02:00:57,640
of Apostolic tradition outside of the scriptures. It doesn't matter.

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You can deflect into whether it's infallible or fallible. That

2071
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:05,640
has nothing to do with the proposition. There is no evidence,

2072
02:01:06,079 --> 02:01:08,920
there is evidence. That is a contradiction, and I'm not

2073
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going to listen to you lie about what you said. Henry.

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Speaker 4: Hey, j how's it going, man, what's on your mind? Hey?

2075
02:01:28,800 --> 02:01:31,800
Speaker 18: So, I'm glad I'm finally able to talk to you, buddy.

2076
02:01:32,319 --> 02:01:35,760
So earlier you were talking about the history of Pentecostalism,

2077
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and I actually have kind.

2078
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Speaker 4: Of dug into this a little bit. Excuse me, And.

2079
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Speaker 18: I really hope that there's some people who believe in

2080
02:01:45,560 --> 02:01:50,079
the tongue speaking stuff that's still listening because their own

2081
02:01:50,239 --> 02:01:57,079
writers admit that at first the tongue speaking stuff was

2082
02:01:58,119 --> 02:02:02,800
legitimate languages. So you know, you were talking earlier about

2083
02:02:02,880 --> 02:02:08,159
Charles parm Right, So he this dud's wild man. So

2084
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first of all, he leaves Bible College because he thought

2085
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:15,920
that you know, edimication would separate him from the hoest spirit.

2086
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And so then he opens up a Bible College down

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in Kansas in like eighteen or late eighteen nineties, and

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he specifically teaches that he can evoke the Holy Spirit

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02:02:31,359 --> 02:02:35,560
to have a second Pentecost Wow where his people can

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learn legitimate languages. Okay, so a bunch of people join

2091
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and he goes through this whole rigamarole. He sends these

2092
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people out like he thinks they've taught him and all

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this stuff, and I'll give you a reference for this

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02:02:48,960 --> 02:02:51,760
here in a minute. And so they all go out,

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02:02:51,760 --> 02:02:54,960
and obviously we all know what happens. None of these

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people learn, you know, can speak to the you know,

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Chinese and you know, Vietnamese and wherever they're going. So

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then it's after the fact that he says, oh, well,

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you know, actually it's you know, gobbledegook angel language.

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Speaker 4: And there's actually a really good.

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Speaker 18: Book on this by a Pentecostal pastor who freely admits

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all this stuff. It's it's Larry Martin, and it's the

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Topeka the Topeka Outpouring, and he freely admits this stuff.

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And then the funny thing is is that he gets

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his Bible College closes and then after the fact, you

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know who comes calling is William J. Seymour and Parham

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actually ordains quote well, I mean quote unquote ordains William

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Seymour and then he goes off.

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Speaker 4: And then the Zusus Street Revival happens.

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Speaker 18: So this whole thing about you know, I'm a speaking

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an angel language, you know, it's all nonsense. They didn't

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even believe that. And the book that I mentioned actually

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has the Bethel Bible College, that's the name of the college.

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02:04:06,479 --> 02:04:09,680
It has their stuff in it where they're specifically talking

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about evoking the Holy Spirit to learn a language, just

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02:04:14,680 --> 02:04:17,399
as the Apostles did at Pentecost. It was never an

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02:04:17,439 --> 02:04:21,239
angel language or anything like that. And and even their

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02:04:21,239 --> 02:04:23,840
own people admit this, But I mean, like, you know,

2119
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:26,159
these people don't even know their own history you know.

2120
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And I dug into this because I have family that

2121
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:34,600
are Pentecostals, right and you know, dude, it's called I mean,

2122
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:37,319
it really is, you know, because you bring this stuff

2123
02:04:37,359 --> 02:04:39,680
up and they get all pissed off at you and they're, oh, well,

2124
02:04:39,720 --> 02:04:41,279
you know, how do you know that's true?

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02:04:41,319 --> 02:04:44,000
Speaker 4: And I'm like, bro, these are your people right now.

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02:04:44,079 --> 02:04:46,359
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. That's very helpful. I had no

2127
02:04:46,399 --> 02:04:47,279
idea about any of that.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, it's wild, man, it's but uh yeah, it's Larry

2129
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:52,720
Martin the Topeka Outpouring of.

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02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:53,399
Speaker 4: Nineteen oh one.

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02:04:53,439 --> 02:04:55,760
Speaker 18: It's it's I mean, it's it's a it's a quick read,

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but I mean it's got firsthand witness accounts. It's got

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their own writings from Bethel Bible College, it's got Charles

2134
02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:06,800
Parham's writings, and it like it's I mean, and they.

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02:05:06,680 --> 02:05:09,600
Speaker 4: Freely admit all this stuff. So I just wanted to

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02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:10,000
bring it up.

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Speaker 18: I know you talked about it earlier, man, and you know,

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I know it was a debate, but you know, I appreciate.

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02:05:14,239 --> 02:05:16,520
Speaker 2: No, it's a you can you can call in and

2140
02:05:17,159 --> 02:05:21,039
contribute information like that. I appreciate that, Henry. That was

2141
02:05:21,039 --> 02:05:23,520
a really good point. I mean, I did not know

2142
02:05:24,119 --> 02:05:25,960
a lot of that history of that of that group.

2143
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:32,039
Now again, when people call in and it's informal open

2144
02:05:32,159 --> 02:05:37,079
chat and you contradict, I will boot you because I

2145
02:05:37,119 --> 02:05:40,000
see that as a as a dishonest form of debate

2146
02:05:40,199 --> 02:05:43,720
and engagement. And the guy literally said that there is

2147
02:05:43,800 --> 02:05:51,800
no evidence for extra biblical Patristic tradition. Doesn't matter whether

2148
02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:55,439
you think it's binding or not right, there's no evidence.

2149
02:05:56,199 --> 02:05:59,720
Two minutes later, he says, Matthew wrote Matthew's Gospel. We

2150
02:05:59,800 --> 02:06:05,479
know that from Patristic tradition and testimony. That's a contradiction. Guys,

2151
02:06:06,039 --> 02:06:11,800
those are two contradictory claims by his own admission. And

2152
02:06:11,840 --> 02:06:14,399
if he had said, okay, you're right, fair point, I

2153
02:06:14,479 --> 02:06:17,800
did contradict there. You know, if you keep doubling down

2154
02:06:18,600 --> 02:06:22,680
and not answering the questions, then that's when I boot

2155
02:06:22,720 --> 02:06:31,039
and move on. It's that simple. And to the full

2156
02:06:31,079 --> 02:06:36,399
preterist guy, it took me three times asking him the

2157
02:06:36,479 --> 02:06:42,479
question about is Hebrews talking about Nebucannezer's temple? Obviously not, Okay,

2158
02:06:42,560 --> 02:06:47,479
then what is it pointing to? He admitted, it's pointing

2159
02:06:47,479 --> 02:06:51,800
to the destruction of the heavens and the Earth. Then

2160
02:06:52,319 --> 02:06:55,199
its destruction is a foreshadowing of the destruction of the

2161
02:06:55,199 --> 02:06:57,800
heavens in the earth. Yeah, but it already happened. When

2162
02:06:57,800 --> 02:07:03,640
did that happen? When the temple was destroyed? Uh, heavens

2163
02:07:03,640 --> 02:07:07,199
and Earth are not destroyed. There's no conflagration yet. What's

2164
02:07:07,239 --> 02:07:07,600
up man?

2165
02:07:09,279 --> 02:07:09,359
Speaker 4: So?

2166
02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:13,840
Speaker 34: I know you have like five thousand videos on TAG

2167
02:07:14,199 --> 02:07:16,960
and I don't know if I watch all of them,

2168
02:07:16,960 --> 02:07:18,720
but I watched. I watch pretty much every single one

2169
02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:21,720
I can find. I just have a few questions about it.

2170
02:07:23,520 --> 02:07:28,760
Speaker 2: It's not TAG Day, so it's specifically it's okay, specifically

2171
02:07:29,000 --> 02:07:36,239
listed as the topics, and it's evangelicalism, charismaticism, Calvinism, Catholicism.

2172
02:07:36,479 --> 02:07:43,680
It's not TAG Day. But maybe next time, Saint Strengths.

2173
02:07:51,720 --> 02:07:52,319
What's up man?

2174
02:07:56,119 --> 02:07:56,319
Speaker 4: Hello?

2175
02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:00,359
Speaker 9: Yeah, well's up?

2176
02:08:00,439 --> 02:08:00,640
Speaker 4: Jay?

2177
02:08:00,680 --> 02:08:04,039
Speaker 35: I appreciate bringing me up here. My happy Eastern to you.

2178
02:08:04,840 --> 02:08:08,479
And I recently discovered your channel and I really enjoy

2179
02:08:08,520 --> 02:08:13,840
your content. And I had a question. Uh, I'm from Iran,

2180
02:08:14,439 --> 02:08:19,479
I'm Persian and I was atheists, and I had I

2181
02:08:19,479 --> 02:08:22,399
don't want to make it long my story my testimony,

2182
02:08:23,039 --> 02:08:25,680
so I pretty much had a very spiritual encounter with

2183
02:08:25,800 --> 02:08:29,920
Jesus I have visions of him, and I pretty much

2184
02:08:30,640 --> 02:08:36,399
got driven into the Christianity, Christian lifestyle, and Jesus really

2185
02:08:36,399 --> 02:08:37,319
did change my life.

2186
02:08:38,039 --> 02:08:41,399
Speaker 4: But here's the thing I'm really interested in.

2187
02:08:41,399 --> 02:08:45,960
Speaker 35: In the Eastern Orthodox Church, but in Iran you cannot

2188
02:08:46,079 --> 02:08:48,199
convert to Christianity because.

2189
02:08:47,960 --> 02:08:50,680
Speaker 9: There's a death penalty for it. There's literally a death penalty.

2190
02:08:50,680 --> 02:08:53,840
Speaker 35: Like if I if I announce that I'm Christian, I

2191
02:08:53,920 --> 02:08:56,800
would be dead. They would probably prison me, they'll probably

2192
02:08:56,840 --> 02:08:58,159
rasse my family.

2193
02:08:58,159 --> 02:08:58,920
Speaker 9: They would do all of that.

2194
02:08:59,319 --> 02:09:00,439
Speaker 4: So I I.

2195
02:09:02,079 --> 02:09:06,119
Speaker 35: Know in the Eastern Orthodox Church you have to be

2196
02:09:06,199 --> 02:09:08,760
baptized to enter the Kingdom of heavens.

2197
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:11,800
Speaker 2: Well, no, I don't. I mean if you so, if

2198
02:09:11,840 --> 02:09:16,039
you are not able to get to baptism, it's not

2199
02:09:16,159 --> 02:09:20,439
your fault. We're not. I mean, there is baptism of

2200
02:09:20,479 --> 02:09:24,399
desire and the church is always held to that. So no,

2201
02:09:24,560 --> 02:09:26,680
you would not be liable for something that was not

2202
02:09:26,840 --> 02:09:30,439
under your control. Now, if you're able to move and

2203
02:09:30,520 --> 02:09:32,520
leave the country, maybe that's the way out of it,

2204
02:09:33,640 --> 02:09:36,319
or you know, maybe even a secret baptism could be

2205
02:09:36,359 --> 02:09:40,439
a range or something like that. But no, if if

2206
02:09:40,439 --> 02:09:43,960
it's under no fault of your own, you're not it's

2207
02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:47,039
just like in the church, a cate human who's murdered. Uh,

2208
02:09:47,159 --> 02:09:49,000
you know, we still consider them part of the church.

2209
02:09:49,119 --> 02:09:52,800
So no, you're doing good man. That's that's good to

2210
02:09:52,840 --> 02:09:58,199
hear and uh, you know that's awesome.

2211
02:09:58,199 --> 02:10:09,800
Speaker 3: Actually, uh, let's see.

2212
02:10:09,319 --> 02:10:15,239
Speaker 2: Saw Heil. Oh, here we go. I'm you.

2213
02:10:17,359 --> 02:10:18,119
Speaker 4: Oh what's up, Jock?

2214
02:10:19,600 --> 02:10:23,800
Speaker 21: Hey, So I know you probably heard like the cleave

2215
02:10:23,880 --> 02:10:29,560
to antiquity guy. Yeah, he said, like he was posting

2216
02:10:29,640 --> 02:10:33,000
on his YouTube page about like if canons can change,

2217
02:10:34,520 --> 02:10:38,159
like but being reinterpreted by a priest or bishop based

2218
02:10:38,199 --> 02:10:38,840
on the area.

2219
02:10:41,000 --> 02:10:49,680
Speaker 2: That's the same guy. So it's the same guy that

2220
02:10:49,720 --> 02:10:55,359
he'ps making the one follower. Okay, it's like it's like

2221
02:10:55,439 --> 02:10:58,359
he so from now on, I'm just gonna check and

2222
02:10:58,439 --> 02:11:00,920
if you have one follower, I'm not gonna go to you.

2223
02:11:01,720 --> 02:11:18,840
So that's the new rule here flow zoos fifty dollars.

2224
02:11:20,199 --> 02:11:22,520
She wanted it to be true without logic or facts

2225
02:11:22,600 --> 02:11:25,319
that could penetrate what she was thinking. Thank you for

2226
02:11:25,359 --> 02:11:27,319
trying to keep doing what you're doing. You're a warrior.

2227
02:11:27,840 --> 02:11:31,680
It's scary how illogical that person was. Christ has risen.

2228
02:11:33,079 --> 02:11:38,680
Uh yeah, I mean people have a hard time I

2229
02:11:38,680 --> 02:11:43,760
guess thinking about flowing. Mute man, what's up about language?

2230
02:11:44,560 --> 02:11:45,039
Speaker 4: What's up?

2231
02:11:45,600 --> 02:11:46,359
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?

2232
02:11:48,159 --> 02:11:50,960
Speaker 9: And real quick, you're you can take a couple of

2233
02:11:50,960 --> 02:11:51,479
hot takes.

2234
02:11:51,520 --> 02:11:54,399
Speaker 2: You're right, okay about what's I mean?

2235
02:11:54,479 --> 02:11:56,520
Speaker 4: Are you? Are you familiar with Christian identity?

2236
02:11:57,560 --> 02:11:58,079
Speaker 2: Okay?

2237
02:11:59,039 --> 02:12:02,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, man, So so that's the faith I believe in.

2238
02:12:03,920 --> 02:12:05,920
Speaker 9: I'm a firm believer in Christian identity.

2239
02:12:06,079 --> 02:12:13,119
Speaker 2: Okay, you're laughing, So you're not serious. I don't know,

2240
02:12:13,319 --> 02:12:26,479
like to shoot o, what's up? What yep?

2241
02:12:27,319 --> 02:12:29,159
Speaker 4: Oh?

2242
02:12:29,960 --> 02:12:32,960
Speaker 9: So me and my wife just got baptized yesterday and Holy.

2243
02:12:32,800 --> 02:12:35,319
Speaker 2: Saturday many years, many years.

2244
02:12:35,680 --> 02:12:36,000
Speaker 4: Thank you.

2245
02:12:36,199 --> 02:12:39,199
Speaker 26: That Scott guy is definitely uh, just a phony.

2246
02:12:39,319 --> 02:12:40,039
Speaker 4: It's just a weirdo.

2247
02:12:40,760 --> 02:12:43,000
Speaker 9: And he's so run because our.

2248
02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:46,520
Speaker 13: Church just broke the record for the amount of baptisms

2249
02:12:46,520 --> 02:12:47,319
and transmations.

2250
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Speaker 4: How many this is like twenty.

2251
02:12:50,640 --> 02:12:52,720
Speaker 2: Okay, and where's this or you don't never mind, you

2252
02:12:52,720 --> 02:12:53,439
don't have to say where.

2253
02:12:54,399 --> 02:12:58,399
Speaker 26: Yeah, and then so this is happening across the whole nation.

2254
02:12:58,640 --> 02:13:00,720
Speaker 2: I know, So I got I mean, I talk to

2255
02:13:00,760 --> 02:13:01,640
people every day.

2256
02:13:01,600 --> 02:13:05,039
Speaker 26: Like, yeah, this is global, Like this is not a game.

2257
02:13:05,279 --> 02:13:06,520
Speaker 9: This is is just awesome.

2258
02:13:06,680 --> 02:13:09,000
Speaker 16: But yeah, I just want to tell you that you've been.

2259
02:13:08,920 --> 02:13:11,479
Speaker 4: A big part of our conversion.

2260
02:13:11,560 --> 02:13:14,399
Speaker 13: And we're having a baby boy coming up pretty soon

2261
02:13:14,439 --> 02:13:17,840
and we're naming him, uh after Basil m awesome.

2262
02:13:17,920 --> 02:13:20,279
Speaker 2: That's a good name, man, many years to you. Man,

2263
02:13:20,359 --> 02:13:28,079
appreciate that. That's good to hear. Nachene. Oh, we had

2264
02:13:28,119 --> 02:13:32,600
a lot of farah wild people today. My patience has

2265
02:13:32,640 --> 02:13:34,760
been tested. But I'm trying. What's up? Man?

2266
02:13:35,960 --> 02:13:36,199
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2267
02:13:36,239 --> 02:13:36,560
Speaker 24: What up?

2268
02:13:36,680 --> 02:13:36,880
Speaker 21: Jay?

2269
02:13:37,479 --> 02:13:41,119
Speaker 9: Can you hear me? All right? So you used to

2270
02:13:41,159 --> 02:13:42,560
be Protestant? Right yeah?

2271
02:13:43,960 --> 02:13:45,560
Speaker 4: And how did you go?

2272
02:13:46,760 --> 02:13:48,159
Speaker 9: Like so you pray to Mary?

2273
02:13:48,239 --> 02:13:49,039
Speaker 4: Right now?

2274
02:13:50,239 --> 02:13:51,720
Speaker 2: We asked for Mary's intercession?

2275
02:13:51,800 --> 02:13:54,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, how did you come?

2276
02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:58,600
Speaker 27: Because how did you get to feeling okay about that?

2277
02:14:02,039 --> 02:14:06,399
Because I'm looking I'm looking into Orthodoxy because I believe

2278
02:14:06,399 --> 02:14:09,640
in the tradition like they have the historical Church.

2279
02:14:10,279 --> 02:14:11,279
Speaker 9: From what I believe. Right.

2280
02:14:11,359 --> 02:14:13,159
Speaker 2: Well there, I've got a video on it and that

2281
02:14:13,159 --> 02:14:15,560
would probably be what I recommend because it took me.

2282
02:14:16,159 --> 02:14:17,800
It did take me a little while to get used

2283
02:14:17,800 --> 02:14:19,920
to it. It's called what is the Basis for the

2284
02:14:20,000 --> 02:14:22,520
Veneration of Saint Mary? And this was a reply to

2285
02:14:23,359 --> 02:14:27,159
Isabella de Luca who was posting stuff against you know,

2286
02:14:27,319 --> 02:14:32,359
Marion whatnot. By the way, anybody with like one follower,

2287
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:34,520
you might you're wasting your time. I'm not going to

2288
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:38,079
go to you if you're coming up with uh one follower.

2289
02:14:45,239 --> 02:14:51,000
So check out that video right there. What's up man? Yep,

2290
02:14:51,600 --> 02:14:53,640
what's on your mind? A. J.

2291
02:14:53,960 --> 02:14:54,720
Speaker 4: Christ is risen?

2292
02:14:55,039 --> 02:14:55,960
Speaker 2: Truly he has risen?

2293
02:14:57,560 --> 02:15:00,159
Speaker 8: Uh yeah, I just wanted to come in on what

2294
02:15:00,319 --> 02:15:03,880
Scott was saying. I mean, there's tons of people who

2295
02:15:04,319 --> 02:15:09,319
have been edified by the lectures that you give, so

2296
02:15:09,479 --> 02:15:11,119
I mean, it's just flat out wrong.

2297
02:15:12,319 --> 02:15:14,399
Speaker 4: I was one of them, so I appreciate.

2298
02:15:14,000 --> 02:15:15,760
Speaker 2: That you were what one of them?

2299
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:16,199
Speaker 18: I was?

2300
02:15:16,439 --> 02:15:18,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was one of them. Okay, cool, that's great.

2301
02:15:19,159 --> 02:15:22,159
Speaker 8: I just if I if I may ask a question,

2302
02:15:22,279 --> 02:15:23,800
can ask a question about.

2303
02:15:25,680 --> 02:15:27,199
Speaker 9: Like politics? Is that all right?

2304
02:15:28,600 --> 02:15:31,840
Speaker 2: You can't, it's not really the topic today, but so,

2305
02:15:32,359 --> 02:15:38,600
you know, I just want people to know that, uh,

2306
02:15:38,760 --> 02:15:45,760
you know, just on can't even find the They didn't

2307
02:15:45,760 --> 02:15:47,600
put my name in it, which is kind of shitty.

2308
02:15:47,640 --> 02:15:51,199
But if you look up Fresh and Fit is lom

2309
02:15:51,239 --> 02:15:58,760
debate just on YouTube, it has a million views. Now

2310
02:15:59,239 --> 02:16:01,479
to love your neighbors, So let's take into account what

2311
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:05,279
that guy said. No one cares, nobody listens to debates.

2312
02:16:06,159 --> 02:16:08,760
Just on YouTube. This has over a million views and

2313
02:16:08,800 --> 02:16:13,399
if you read the comments, you can see thirty seven

2314
02:16:13,479 --> 02:16:21,239
thousand comments and ninety eight percent of them are against Islam. Now,

2315
02:16:21,800 --> 02:16:26,319
in the last few years, that's I think the biggest

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02:16:26,760 --> 02:16:30,079
of the Muslim Christian debates. Now that's just here. There

2317
02:16:30,159 --> 02:16:36,239
was also nine hundred thousand on X of the same debate.

2318
02:16:36,959 --> 02:16:42,239
There's three hundred thousand ish or so on Rumble. The

2319
02:16:42,520 --> 02:16:47,159
clips alone are about another million views on this debate

2320
02:16:47,280 --> 02:16:50,159
with the Muslims on all the clips channels, So we

2321
02:16:50,200 --> 02:16:53,680
could extrapolate that anywhere from three to four million people

2322
02:16:53,840 --> 02:17:00,000
saw some of this debate, with at least almost forty

2323
02:17:00,120 --> 02:17:05,879
thousand people commenting that Islam was refuted. Now, I'm not

2324
02:17:05,920 --> 02:17:11,639
bragging because I didn't lead this debate. Shremoon was taking

2325
02:17:11,680 --> 02:17:14,920
the lead in this debate. I did contribute some good points,

2326
02:17:15,399 --> 02:17:18,680
but I helped set up this debate, So this wouldn't

2327
02:17:18,719 --> 02:17:24,040
have happened if I had not set it up with Myron.

2328
02:17:24,200 --> 02:17:29,280
And the idea that like this type of a thing

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02:17:29,399 --> 02:17:30,920
doesn't affect people is insane.

2330
02:17:30,959 --> 02:17:31,719
Speaker 4: It's insane.

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02:17:32,040 --> 02:17:34,559
Speaker 8: Well, and to that point, I mean, it can be Islam,

2332
02:17:34,639 --> 02:17:39,319
it can be agnosticism. I mean I was agnostic, and

2333
02:17:39,360 --> 02:17:43,799
I had a really bad interpretation of Christianity from you know,

2334
02:17:43,799 --> 02:17:47,360
the hypocrisy of Protestantism in Roman Catholics. I had no

2335
02:17:47,440 --> 02:17:51,000
idea Orthodox even existed. So it's like, if it wasn't

2336
02:17:51,000 --> 02:17:55,000
for the discourse being had, right, I mean, I wouldn't

2337
02:17:55,000 --> 02:17:56,920
have even known. And I'm sure a lot of other

2338
02:17:56,959 --> 02:17:58,479
people feel that way.

2339
02:18:00,079 --> 02:18:00,479
Speaker 9: As well.

2340
02:18:00,920 --> 02:18:03,120
Speaker 8: The thing I guess that I had to ask related

2341
02:18:03,680 --> 02:18:04,840
it relates to religion too.

2342
02:18:05,600 --> 02:18:08,959
Speaker 4: It's about online being.

2343
02:18:10,520 --> 02:18:14,399
Speaker 8: Kind of essential at this point in modernity for people

2344
02:18:14,399 --> 02:18:17,079
to come to the church in a lot of respects,

2345
02:18:18,959 --> 02:18:22,520
and maybe not the only way, but I think if

2346
02:18:22,559 --> 02:18:22,959
you look.

2347
02:18:22,840 --> 02:18:25,239
Speaker 9: At a lot of the young men.

2348
02:18:25,559 --> 02:18:28,799
Speaker 8: Attending the Orthodox Church, now, I mean I'm a cadaculum

2349
02:18:28,840 --> 02:18:30,440
on one of them as well, but I see a

2350
02:18:30,479 --> 02:18:31,479
lot of other young men.

2351
02:18:32,120 --> 02:18:35,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean online, I've been people. You go look

2352
02:18:35,079 --> 02:18:38,959
at my Instagram. I've been in pictures coast to coast,

2353
02:18:39,239 --> 02:18:42,479
like multiple times with a lot of people. Not thousands

2354
02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:46,000
of people, but I'm saying extrapolating out I can tell

2355
02:18:46,040 --> 02:18:48,239
you that it is probably in the thousands at least,

2356
02:18:48,360 --> 02:18:50,959
because look, let's just look right here, and this is

2357
02:18:51,000 --> 02:18:54,159
just on the muzzle like fourteen thousand people like the

2358
02:18:54,200 --> 02:18:56,479
comment the internet was the worst thing that could have

2359
02:18:56,479 --> 02:18:58,440
happened to Islam, right, there.

2360
02:18:59,840 --> 02:19:03,799
Speaker 8: A lot of engagement, So, I mean, it's definitely true.

2361
02:19:04,040 --> 02:19:08,120
I mean I was having a conversation in Jimbob's discord

2362
02:19:08,159 --> 02:19:12,079
about how, you know, a lot of people don't really

2363
02:19:12,120 --> 02:19:15,639
realize that the online debates base a lot of this

2364
02:19:15,959 --> 02:19:21,559
stuff getting sorted out is if it didn't exist and

2365
02:19:21,799 --> 02:19:26,000
people weren't fighting on the front lines of the Internet.

2366
02:19:26,600 --> 02:19:29,600
I mean, imagine how many people wouldn't have come to

2367
02:19:29,639 --> 02:19:30,000
the church.

2368
02:19:31,360 --> 02:19:36,319
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, Yeah, Well thanks man, I appreciate that. Good comments,

2369
02:19:36,360 --> 02:19:41,639
and again like, yes, I did. I understand that God's

2370
02:19:41,680 --> 02:19:44,879
providence is a key thing here. Obviously, Divine grace is

2371
02:19:44,920 --> 02:19:48,959
a key thing here. And it's not just me, it's

2372
02:19:49,159 --> 02:19:53,120
many people now together and what we you know, the

2373
02:19:53,120 --> 02:19:54,840
funny thing was that what we said we would do

2374
02:19:55,000 --> 02:19:57,520
in the beginning of the discord was we wanted to

2375
02:19:57,600 --> 02:20:00,159
train a bunch of guys that were able to to

2376
02:20:00,200 --> 02:20:02,280
do the types of things that we do over here.

2377
02:20:02,319 --> 02:20:05,760
And that's what we did. And so we got Orthodox

2378
02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:09,319
Shahada out of that, We got David Rhan's channel out

2379
02:20:09,319 --> 02:20:12,639
of that, right, FDA has his channel and his conference

2380
02:20:12,680 --> 02:20:16,520
out of that, okay, and these things are happening all

2381
02:20:16,559 --> 02:20:20,239
the time. Right, all of this just came out of

2382
02:20:20,280 --> 02:20:27,719
that twelve thousand member discord, and these all of these

2383
02:20:27,959 --> 02:20:33,440
these large Islamic debates also came out of that miliu. Right.

2384
02:20:33,479 --> 02:20:37,319
It was basically Lewis and Kai were the pioneers of

2385
02:20:37,360 --> 02:20:40,079
all this. I didn't even think about Islam. Islam was

2386
02:20:40,120 --> 02:20:43,280
not on my radar. Lewis and Kai were telling me

2387
02:20:43,879 --> 02:20:46,840
years ago, you might as well get ready and prepared

2388
02:20:46,879 --> 02:20:50,000
to debate Islam. And I'm like, why is that? Because

2389
02:20:50,479 --> 02:20:53,360
it's everywhere in the UK and it's coming to a

2390
02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:56,959
theater near you. And that was absolutely right. They were

2391
02:20:57,000 --> 02:21:01,120
telling me that in twenty seventeen. So we started preparing

2392
02:21:01,200 --> 02:21:04,719
for that, the invasion of Islam into the West. And

2393
02:21:04,760 --> 02:21:07,360
here we are twenty twenty five, and that's exactly where

2394
02:21:07,399 --> 02:21:13,000
we are. Now. Come over here to my channel and

2395
02:21:13,040 --> 02:21:19,360
these aren't even that big, but we did. Jake the

2396
02:21:19,440 --> 02:21:24,799
muscle metaphysician, that's hundreds of thousands of views between different channels,

2397
02:21:25,920 --> 02:21:28,440
Me and Daniel Hoikikachu. That's hundreds of thousands of views

2398
02:21:28,479 --> 02:21:33,079
between different channels. Me versus shaik asra Rashid. To my knowledge,

2399
02:21:33,079 --> 02:21:34,719
it's only on one channel, so that was one hundred

2400
02:21:34,719 --> 02:21:37,520
thousand views. But he is a shake so he was

2401
02:21:37,559 --> 02:21:42,360
pretty prominent. Doctor Shabiro Lee debate one hundred and twenty

2402
02:21:42,360 --> 02:21:45,120
thousand views, and that's just my channel. It was also

2403
02:21:45,159 --> 02:21:48,479
on other channels as well. And then I don't see

2404
02:21:48,520 --> 02:21:50,719
the Paul Williams debate, but that one has I don't know,

2405
02:21:50,799 --> 02:21:54,040
around eighty thousands something like that. So again you think

2406
02:21:54,079 --> 02:21:57,280
all that, so what who cares? Well, that's not even

2407
02:21:57,399 --> 02:22:05,879
counting all of the clips views, the clips channels, the archive.

2408
02:22:10,200 --> 02:22:12,360
I'm forgetting all the different clip channels. Many of those

2409
02:22:12,360 --> 02:22:15,879
clips channels have gotten hundreds of thousands of views, particularly

2410
02:22:15,879 --> 02:22:19,280
the Muslim lantern debate, So everybody forget like the Muslim

2411
02:22:19,360 --> 02:22:23,479
lantern sneak O debate. That one got between Rumble YouTube

2412
02:22:23,479 --> 02:22:27,719
and the clips channels probably anywhere from seven hundred eight

2413
02:22:27,799 --> 02:22:31,239
hundred thousand views. So again this is hundreds of thousands

2414
02:22:31,280 --> 02:22:36,239
of people seeing Islamic debates and seeing Muslims not do

2415
02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:44,920
very well, you see, and that has an effect? Is

2416
02:22:44,959 --> 02:22:47,600
that going to save Western civilization? Now? I never claimed that,

2417
02:22:48,200 --> 02:22:52,319
and I didn't claim that four million people converted. I

2418
02:22:52,360 --> 02:22:56,520
said four million people Ish watched the debate. I have

2419
02:22:56,600 --> 02:22:59,319
no idea how many people converted out of Islam, because

2420
02:22:59,319 --> 02:23:01,840
a lot of country, like you heard that Persian guy

2421
02:23:01,920 --> 02:23:05,079
calling in, a lot of people in Islamic countries see

2422
02:23:05,120 --> 02:23:07,600
these videos and they started out Islam, but they don't.

2423
02:23:07,799 --> 02:23:10,600
There's nothing they can do because their country won't let

2424
02:23:10,639 --> 02:23:15,000
them convert, as that guy was pointing out, So they

2425
02:23:15,040 --> 02:23:19,079
just kind of have to be secret, you know, baptism

2426
02:23:19,159 --> 02:23:22,000
of desire people, which if that's all they can do,

2427
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:24,360
that's the best they can do. I don't think God's

2428
02:23:24,399 --> 02:23:26,799
going to hold you liable for things that were not

2429
02:23:26,879 --> 02:23:33,520
your fault. And by the way, as far as I

2430
02:23:33,520 --> 02:23:37,799
could tell, I think they actually pulled the Muslim lantern

2431
02:23:37,840 --> 02:23:44,280
debate from Rumble because that's Sneako's main platform, and unless

2432
02:23:44,280 --> 02:23:47,079
I just couldn't find it, or they've titled it something different,

2433
02:23:47,879 --> 02:23:52,120
I was not able to see it. I couldn't see

2434
02:23:52,159 --> 02:23:55,200
it there. In other words, if you remember, after that debate,

2435
02:23:55,319 --> 02:23:58,600
the Muslims themselves shared a poll as to who won,

2436
02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:04,520
and the poll was seventy percent me, thirty percent Muslim Lantern,

2437
02:24:05,399 --> 02:24:09,840
which they didn't like that very much, so unless it's

2438
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:17,159
just not there anymore. Oh, maybe this is it because

2439
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:18,920
it was supposed to be Andrew, so it might be

2440
02:24:19,000 --> 02:24:21,799
this one. But it's not my name because Andrew popped

2441
02:24:22,440 --> 02:24:24,639
out and I popped in. Let's see if this is it. Yeah,

2442
02:24:24,639 --> 02:24:26,959
this is it? So it is. It is still there

2443
02:24:28,079 --> 02:24:33,280
with three hundred and fifty thousand views according to Rumble numbers.

2444
02:24:33,280 --> 02:24:35,680
But who knows if Rumble numbers are accurate. So it

2445
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:37,920
is still there. It's just not my name. They just

2446
02:24:38,000 --> 02:24:41,280
left it as Andrew. But yeah, there you go. So

2447
02:24:47,399 --> 02:24:49,360
that's why I couldn't find it, because it's not my name.

2448
02:24:51,399 --> 02:24:53,239
But I don't think they're going to do me any favors.

2449
02:24:53,360 --> 02:25:07,799
So anyway, all right, let's see you next. All right,

2450
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:12,000
so we got some Protestants popping up. I'm down to

2451
02:25:12,040 --> 02:25:14,000
do it. Let's do it. I do have to go

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02:25:14,040 --> 02:25:16,479
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