1 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: This is a studio both and production. 2 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 2: I think we already talked about this. 3 00:00:16,679 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 3: But even though you were never questioned by law enforcement 4 00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:21,199 about why you were ever at any of these places. 5 00:00:21,039 --> 00:00:25,719 Speaker 4: Or anything, well, like I said, casually, by law enforcement, yeah, 6 00:00:27,839 --> 00:00:29,640 like they would see you at a trailhead and just 7 00:00:30,079 --> 00:00:32,719 right small talk with your Yeah. 8 00:00:32,439 --> 00:00:34,039 Speaker 2: Why you here to fish or you hear to eye 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,159 those kinds of things. Right, let me see your fishing license, right? 10 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,640 And I usually had everything. Yeah, I always had all 11 00:00:41,679 --> 00:00:45,039 that stuff. I honestly a lot of times. That's what 12 00:00:45,079 --> 00:00:50,280 I was. Yeah, first far back because. 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,719 Speaker 5: I can remember, you know, that's where I get a 14 00:00:54,719 --> 00:00:58,079 lot of the ideas either fishing or out hunting. 15 00:00:58,119 --> 00:01:03,359 Speaker 2: And yeah, I don't know, I just that's always that 16 00:01:03,479 --> 00:01:10,200 was always the most comfortable scenario for me because it's 17 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:11,319 win win situation. 18 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 5: I'm not hunting or fishing, and if the opportunity comes up, 19 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:18,560 then take it. 20 00:01:18,599 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: If it doesn't, it's not like it's you're out anything. 21 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: This is true crime bullshit. I'm your host, Josh Hallmark, 22 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:46,120 and this is a serialized story of Israel Keys. Approximately 23 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:49,760 two thousand hikers are reported missing each year in America, 24 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:53,200 and according to Search and Rescue about thirty five of 25 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,599 those hikers are pronounced dead. But when you take a 26 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,840 look at overall deaths that occur within the national park system, 27 00:02:00,359 --> 00:02:03,680 that number goes up quite a bit. Somewhere between one 28 00:02:03,719 --> 00:02:06,400 hundred and twenty and one hundred and forty people typically 29 00:02:06,439 --> 00:02:10,879 die within national parks every year, not counting suicides, according 30 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:14,960 to the National Park Service, and while that may sound 31 00:02:15,039 --> 00:02:18,639 like a lot, it's actually less than point zero zero 32 00:02:19,039 --> 00:02:25,080 zero zero zero zero one percent of annual national park visitors. 33 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:28,479 That means if you go to a national park, your 34 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:31,439 odds of dying there are roughly one in two million. 35 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,560 The majority of those deaths are from drownings, car accidents, 36 00:02:35,599 --> 00:02:39,479 and falls, meaning your chances of dying while hiking or 37 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,439 visiting the park system are incredibly low, and your chances 38 00:02:43,439 --> 00:02:46,319 of being murdered there are so minuscule that they're usually 39 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:51,280 not even worth mentioning, unless, of course, we're talking about 40 00:02:51,319 --> 00:02:54,879 Israel Keys in his early years in Na Bay, when 41 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,560 his murders began, is with go to the woods and 42 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,599 wait for his victims to come to him. His murders 43 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,280 weren't based on a profile, but on who was around 44 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:07,199 and easy to kill. He also made it clear in 45 00:03:07,199 --> 00:03:09,599 his interviews with the FBI that the majority of his 46 00:03:09,759 --> 00:03:13,280 Washington state murders took place on state and federal land. 47 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 6: You seem adamant that there's no possible federal lexus to 48 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,039 the Washington cases. 49 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: And I'm just. 50 00:03:20,439 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 6: Shocked because, knowing the peninsula like we do, there's so 51 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:24,800 much federal land out there. 52 00:03:24,759 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: Especially of the national forest, national. 53 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,159 Speaker 6: Parks, and you know, my understanding then would be that 54 00:03:29,199 --> 00:03:31,080 nothing's happened on those type of lands. 55 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: Would we correct him understanding that? Or no, I just didn't. 56 00:03:36,319 --> 00:03:38,919 Speaker 5: I didn't know that would qualify it as a federal crime. 57 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,599 Speaker 2: Well, if it's a national park. 58 00:03:40,479 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 6: Or some national park or national forest, we could have 59 00:03:42,919 --> 00:03:44,520 jurisdiction on a felony. 60 00:03:45,879 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 7: So see, that's all this stuff was the legal details 61 00:03:51,560 --> 00:04:00,120 all the US. But that's a good moment. That's okay. 62 00:04:01,199 --> 00:04:05,159 Speaker 3: And keep in mind the federal nexus that we talked about, 63 00:04:05,199 --> 00:04:08,159 the national parts, Well, I'll. 64 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:10,599 Speaker 2: Have to do some research on that. We could do that. 65 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,319 Just give me a couple of. 66 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 5: Us in Washington is I don't even remember. I mean, 67 00:04:23,879 --> 00:04:25,560 I know all the places I went, and I know 68 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:29,079 that they are all public areas, but I don't know 69 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:30,680 which ones were staying which. 70 00:04:30,519 --> 00:04:31,319 Speaker 2: Ones were federal. 71 00:04:31,360 --> 00:04:31,759 Speaker 3: I don't know. 72 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 2: I never really paid that much attention. 73 00:04:35,199 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: This m O played a huge part in his ability 74 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:42,040 to conceal his earlier crimes. In fact, it was his 75 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,360 eventual straying from this that would ultimately lead to his arrest. 76 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:51,279 Over time, he lost patience, he lost control, and his 77 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:56,560 crimes became less organized, more frenetic, and eventually as public 78 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,920 as kidnapping Samantha Koenig from a coffee stand on a 79 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:05,279 busy street in a major city. Picking people out of 80 00:05:05,319 --> 00:05:07,879 the woods is about as low profile as it gets 81 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,160 for a serial killer, and is wasn't the first to 82 00:05:11,319 --> 00:05:13,920 use the National park system to stalk and kill people. 83 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:17,680 There are multiple other serial killers who hunted people in 84 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:21,800 parks and on trail sides. Gary Michael Hilton was known 85 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,399 as the National Forest serial Killer and is believed to 86 00:05:25,399 --> 00:05:28,680 have committed at least five murders in wilderness areas, some 87 00:05:28,759 --> 00:05:32,360 involving hikers, between two thousand seven and two thousand eight. 88 00:05:33,399 --> 00:05:36,439 David Carpenter, better known as the trail side Killer, killed 89 00:05:36,439 --> 00:05:38,879 at least ten people in the late seventies and early 90 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:42,040 eighties on hiking trails and state parks in the Bay area. 91 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,120 Randall Lee Smith hunted and killed at least two hikers 92 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,279 on the Appalachian Trail in the early eighties, and after 93 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,319 only serving fifteen years for that, he was released and 94 00:05:52,399 --> 00:05:55,959 later attempted to kill two fishermen less than two miles 95 00:05:55,959 --> 00:06:00,360 from where those murders were committed. Ivan Malot killed at 96 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:04,439 least nineteen backpackers in Australia between nineteen eighty nine and 97 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,480 nineteen ninety three, and Robert Garow attacked multiple campers in 98 00:06:09,519 --> 00:06:13,839 the Adirondack Mountains in the sixties and seventies. These men 99 00:06:13,879 --> 00:06:17,160 were all eventually caught because they either killed someone they knew, 100 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,560 one of their victims got away, or they had a 101 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,079 localized dump site. As far as we know, is never 102 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:31,160 made any of these mistakes. Murders enforested areas, national and 103 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:34,600 state parks and trail sides are actually quite rare, and 104 00:06:34,639 --> 00:06:37,759 while I couldn't find any overall statistics, there have only 105 00:06:37,759 --> 00:06:41,399 been eleven reported murders on the Appalachian Trail since nineteen 106 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,560 seventy eight, and not a single one on the Pacific 107 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:51,000 Crest Trail ever, but that can't account for deaths misattributed 108 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:55,959 as accidental or bodies never recovered, of which only one 109 00:06:55,959 --> 00:06:57,720 of Israel's victims ever has been. 110 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 2: I might say, oh, it looks like a boating accident, 111 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:07,720 but you knew voting accident. My hiker disappears, fire fires. 112 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 5: Because of the things that I've done that have been 113 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:17,000 in the news, I've known that, like what you read 114 00:07:17,399 --> 00:07:20,480 that happened, and what I know that actually happened. Sometimes 115 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:26,079 it's almost not even recognizable really, So I never took 116 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,959 it for granted. I always assumed that if a body 117 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,279 was found, that they were somebody who's gonna be after 118 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:33,879 me for it. 119 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: I was always prepared for that, and I always had 120 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:39,360 I always. 121 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 5: Thought I had alibis and stuff like that was always 122 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:43,759 in the back of my mind. 123 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,399 Speaker 8: That's what I think you're talking about, of somebody who 124 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:50,439 you know, they're not gonna suspect. I'll play if I think, well, 125 00:07:50,439 --> 00:07:52,680 they had a heart attack, they're old, and you found 126 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:53,879 a me year later, or. 127 00:07:53,959 --> 00:07:56,319 Speaker 3: They think he was climbing a mount marathon. 128 00:07:55,959 --> 00:07:58,639 Speaker 2: And well that's what I'm telling I don't know what 129 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,439 you tell me. Yeah, out was. 130 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: Hiker's body at the bottom of the canyon. 131 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:12,079 Speaker 5: Can you tell me, Yeah, that's definitely a wonder way 132 00:08:12,079 --> 00:08:13,040 to do it. 133 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:19,279 Speaker 1: Shortly after Iz was captured, Paul Lameter went missing while 134 00:08:19,319 --> 00:08:23,600 competing in the Mount Marathon race near Seward, Alaska. His 135 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,439 body has never been recovered, nor are there any clues 136 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,480 as to what happened to him. The FBI has since 137 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:33,440 stated that most of Key's earlier victims will likely resemble 138 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,840 the disappearance of lematter, people who vanished from state in 139 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:41,519 national parks without a trace and for no apparent reason. 140 00:08:42,399 --> 00:08:44,600 The other thing we know when it comes to identifying 141 00:08:44,639 --> 00:08:47,879 Keys' as victims is that most of them, particularly in 142 00:08:47,919 --> 00:08:50,679 the beginning, didn't receive a lot of media attention. 143 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 9: Computers. You mentioned when computers first came out and started 144 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,039 doing searches and looked just wanted to see what was 145 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,679 up with the military guys. When you would you talked 146 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:03,039 before with us about there were a couple of times 147 00:09:03,759 --> 00:09:05,600 that you would go on your computer and do a 148 00:09:05,639 --> 00:09:08,759 search just to see if a body even found or 149 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,879 I don't know, arsenal bankrubber or whatever it is. When 150 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:13,399 you were doing it, how would you. 151 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:15,919 Speaker 2: How would you do that? 152 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,279 Speaker 9: I mean, did you know names of everybody? Or would 153 00:09:18,279 --> 00:09:22,000 you do just no Google search a town and or 154 00:09:22,039 --> 00:09:22,840 how would you do it? 155 00:09:23,159 --> 00:09:32,639 Speaker 5: I was, with the exception of the computer that you 156 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:37,679 guys got, I generally wouldn't do it on the home computers. 157 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 2: I had another computer that I did. 158 00:09:40,879 --> 00:09:45,399 Speaker 5: Use for a while, but for the most part. 159 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:46,399 Speaker 2: It was a computer that I was planning on having 160 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,360 around for a while. I would never do searches on it. 161 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:53,039 Search as I did do were usually pretty generic. 162 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 5: I would type in an area or a newspaper of 163 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,039 an area, type in a keyword. 164 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 2: I would never type in a specific. 165 00:10:02,639 --> 00:10:05,919 Speaker 9: Name the name of the newspaper from the area, like 166 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:06,399 if I. 167 00:10:06,399 --> 00:10:07,879 Speaker 2: Don't I would do. 168 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:09,879 Speaker 6: Right. 169 00:10:10,039 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 5: So, yeah, I would do a search of news from 170 00:10:15,639 --> 00:10:18,000 an area I guess, and then pull up either a 171 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:23,399 newspaper or news channel online news, type in a keyword 172 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:26,600 of something, and just scroll down the different stories so 173 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:31,519 I found the one I was looking for. If I 174 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:35,080 was doing it from an anonymous computer like an airport 175 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:38,879 or a library or something, I would do I would 176 00:10:38,879 --> 00:10:40,759 just type in what I wanted right away. 177 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:45,279 Speaker 2: Bring it up. Did you know the names? 178 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 9: Did you remember the names. 179 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:51,039 Speaker 2: Of most of the people? Yeah, well, yeah, on the 180 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,440 major things. Yeah. 181 00:10:54,919 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 5: So there's not going to be as many details that 182 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,039 anybody knows aside from there's just not. 183 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:01,879 Speaker 2: There's just not. 184 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:06,039 Speaker 5: And like I said frankly, on some of the stuff, 185 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,720 I was shocked at the fact that I had never 186 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:15,759 heard anything about it, virtually nothing. And that's not to 187 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:19,120 say that there isn't an investigation or whatever, but it 188 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:24,799 was just never nothing was ever high profile like the 189 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,159 stuff that happened more recently. 190 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: From two thousand and one to two thousand and seven, 191 00:11:31,759 --> 00:11:35,240 more than forty people went missing in or around American 192 00:11:35,279 --> 00:11:38,039 forests and parks within five hundred miles of Nea Bay. 193 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:41,679 And we can't say for certain the exact number because 194 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:43,960 a lot of missing people never make it into national 195 00:11:44,039 --> 00:11:48,480 databases or media coverage, generally because they're living at risk 196 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:54,240 lifestyles or Native American A recent study conducted by the 197 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,399 Urban Indian Health Institute found that there isn't a single 198 00:11:57,480 --> 00:12:01,320 federal agency that has comprehensive data on how many Indigenous 199 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,120 people are murdered or missing. It also found that of 200 00:12:04,279 --> 00:12:07,720 five thousand, seven hundred twelve Indigenous women and girls who 201 00:12:07,759 --> 00:12:11,720 were reported either missing or murdered in twenty sixteen, only 202 00:12:11,759 --> 00:12:14,679 one hundred and sixteen were ever logged into the Department 203 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,960 of Justice database. There are over three million acres of 204 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:23,080 reserved tribal lands in Washington State alone, with a population 205 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:27,080 consisting of close to sixty thousand, which creates a lot 206 00:12:27,159 --> 00:12:31,360 of space for missing Indigenous people to go unreported, not 207 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:34,440 to mention that many of these areas are incredibly remote 208 00:12:34,519 --> 00:12:39,200 and unpoliced, and that through his job with the Macaw Tribe, 209 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,600 Is had unrestricted access to about thirty thousand acres of 210 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:48,360 this land, and the Callville Indian Reservation where he grew 211 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:52,720 up consists of one point four million acres land that 212 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,360 Is was very familiar with. 213 00:12:56,279 --> 00:13:01,279 Speaker 5: I can uh like I say, it is anything more 214 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:06,240 than a year ago. 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There's an average of forty 257 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:15,840 one suicide attempts in the park system each year, sixty 258 00:16:15,879 --> 00:16:19,519 eight percent of which are successful, and eighty four percent 259 00:16:19,559 --> 00:16:23,600 of those suicides involved men. The majority of these cases 260 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,120 occurred in the summer months, and the mean age of 261 00:16:26,159 --> 00:16:30,879 the victims was forty three. These statistics drastically muddy the 262 00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:35,320 waters when it comes to identifying potential keys victims. Of 263 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,720 the six people who best matches MO of abducting victims 264 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,440 through the park system and his timeline, five are men 265 00:16:43,639 --> 00:16:47,000 and four cannot be ruled out as suicides. One of 266 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:49,360 these cases has gotten quite a bit of attention as 267 00:16:49,399 --> 00:16:55,360 a possible keys victim. Gilbert Gilman was forty seven when 268 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:57,919 he went missing during a visit to the Olympic National 269 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,440 Park on June twenty fourth, thousand and six. He was 270 00:17:01,519 --> 00:17:04,039 last seen in the park listening to music in his 271 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,319 parked car, wearing shorts and flip flops, carrying only a camera. 272 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:12,640 Gilmot had an extraordinary career with the Army. He was 273 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:16,880 a paratrooper who served in Panama, East Africa and Israel. 274 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:20,279 He received two Bronze Stars for his combat experience with 275 00:17:20,319 --> 00:17:24,000 the eighty second Airborne. He also had degrees from the 276 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,160 London School of Economics, Union College in New York and 277 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:32,680 the Solvey Business School in Brussels. So not only was 278 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:37,119 he incredibly wilderness savvy, who was also a very smart man, 279 00:17:38,119 --> 00:17:41,240 smart and savvy enough not to go hiking in shorts 280 00:17:41,279 --> 00:17:44,480 and flip flops. So it's believed by those close to 281 00:17:44,559 --> 00:17:46,279 him that he was likely just in the park for 282 00:17:46,319 --> 00:17:50,240 a leisurely stroll that day, making it highly unlikely that 283 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:53,880 he got lost off trail somewhere in the mountains. Gilbert 284 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,200 was reported missing when he failed to arrive at a 285 00:17:56,200 --> 00:18:00,680 scheduled meeting the following day. That same anath afternoon, his 286 00:18:00,799 --> 00:18:03,920 car was found at the Staircase Ranger station in the park. 287 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,200 Searcher spent ten days looking for Gilbert in the Staircase 288 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,039 area and found no trace of him. They used tracking dogs, 289 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,160 a helicopter, and a plane with heat seeking equipment, along 290 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,440 with sixty two on ground searchers. After those ten days, 291 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:25,279 Gilman was declared lost by the US Forest Service. It 292 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,799 wasn't until after Israel's suicide, when details of his crimes 293 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:33,279 became public, that people started linking him to Gilman, including 294 00:18:33,319 --> 00:18:36,480 an episode of the ID Channel's Dark Mines which aired 295 00:18:36,519 --> 00:18:40,400 in twenty fourteen. The only eliminating reason I've been able 296 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,440 to find is from an interview with author Molly Koneski, 297 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:46,839 who stated that on the day Gilman went missing, izz 298 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:51,319 was running a marathon where he placed ninetieth in Port Angelis, 299 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,680 which is about eighty miles and a two and a 300 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:57,880 half hour drive from where Gilbert's car was found. Interestingly enough, 301 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,200 I was able to find the race records for or 302 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,599 that particular marathon, and Is did place ninetieth, with a 303 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,079 runtime of three hours and fifty seven minutes, which would 304 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,440 make it impossible for him to get to the staircase 305 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:15,039 area and back to Port Angelus in time. However, that 306 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:19,759 marathon was on June eleventh, not June twenty sixth, and 307 00:19:19,839 --> 00:19:22,759 hotel receipts placing Is in Port Angelus on the night 308 00:19:22,839 --> 00:19:26,200 of the eleventh corroborate this. The FBI, though, has made 309 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,359 it clear that they don't think is Is a viable 310 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:32,880 suspect in the Gilman disappearance. They've publicly never released what 311 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,640 this opinion is based on, but I did stumble upon 312 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,960 several notes about the Gilman case in their Israel keys files. 313 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:44,240 The first indicates that Gilman was possibly a suicide. The 314 00:19:44,279 --> 00:19:46,839 second is a lot more fascinating, and I hate to 315 00:19:46,839 --> 00:19:49,960 be a buzzkill, but I'm not comfortable discussing it for 316 00:19:50,039 --> 00:19:56,000 reasons I'm not really at liberty to state. But regardless, 317 00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,319 I tend to believe the FBI's analysis of this based 318 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,880 almost soul on something else. As far as the case 319 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,559 files indicate, they didn't spend very much time looking into Gilman, 320 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:11,000 but they spent a lot of time and energy looking 321 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:17,240 into a similar missing person's case. Del Mar Wayne Sample 322 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,480 was last seen at around eleven am on March fourth, 323 00:20:20,519 --> 00:20:24,400 two thousand and five, at a gas station in Centralia, Washington. 324 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,640 Sample had told friends and family that he planned to 325 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,640 spend the day hiking in Tillamook, Oregon, near deep Ot Bay. 326 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,720 Sample was living in on Alaska, Washington at the time, 327 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,119 which is south of where he was last seen but 328 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,519 north of Tillamook. It's unclear why he would have traveled 329 00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:43,759 north to get gas for a southbound trip, but most 330 00:20:43,799 --> 00:20:46,759 assumed that he just had a change of plans, especially 331 00:20:46,759 --> 00:20:53,039 considering his abandoned car was eventually found at Lake Quinault. 332 00:20:53,519 --> 00:20:55,680 All of his belongings were in the car, except for 333 00:20:55,759 --> 00:20:58,039 a red mountain bike he's believed to have taken with 334 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,799 him on that trip. Elmar, who went by Dell, was 335 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,279 sixty six at the time of his disappearance. Friends and 336 00:21:05,319 --> 00:21:09,240 family vehemently stated that Dell wasn't depressed or suicidal, and 337 00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:12,240 it was very uncharacteristic of him to just abandon his 338 00:21:12,319 --> 00:21:15,519 life and not check in with the loved ones. The 339 00:21:15,559 --> 00:21:17,880 police did an extensive search of the area where his 340 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,839 car was found, and there were no signs or sightings 341 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,319 of sample, nor were there any bicycle tracks nearby. When 342 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,319 Isa's case went public, several of Dell's family members contacted 343 00:21:28,319 --> 00:21:32,440 the FBI to see if it was possible Keys abducted him, 344 00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:36,559 and the FBI took these leads very seriously. They did 345 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,400 DNA analysis on swabs taken from Dell's car, they worked 346 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:45,319 with local law enforcement, and they examined Isza's timeline. Unfortunately, 347 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:50,119 the only DNA found in Dell's car was Dell's and 348 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,720 they could find no additional sightings of Dell following his 349 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:56,079 appearance on surveillance in the gas station. And there's a 350 00:21:56,079 --> 00:22:00,680 hole in Izza's timeline from March second through March eighth. However, 351 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,640 is did go canoeing on March first at Lake Quinault. 352 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 8: And then what about planning like the Washington State when 353 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:16,039 you had your boat out? Were those highly planned and organized? 354 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 2: Yeah? 355 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,599 Speaker 1: The FBI has never been able to rule is out 356 00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:24,119 as a suspect in the disappearance of del Mar Sample, 357 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,599 but they've also never publicly named him as one. His 358 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:34,720 case remains unsolved. The third of these possible Keys cases 359 00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:38,599 is the most mysterious park disappearance and the most frustrating 360 00:22:39,039 --> 00:22:42,480 because what makes this man a likely key's victim. Is 361 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:44,960 also what makes it so challenging to connect him to 362 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:49,759 is there's literally no information or coverage on his disappearance. 363 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,319 All we know is that Gregory Seamans Brown went missing 364 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:57,200 from the Rachel Lake trailhead in the Okanagan Winatchee National 365 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:01,920 Forest near Ellensburg, Washington, on July fifth, two thousand and five. 366 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,480 I haven't been able to find who reported a missing, 367 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,839 when he was reported missing, or why he's believed to 368 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,240 have gone missing on that date from that location, and 369 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:17,079 July fifth also falls into an information gap in Izza's timeline. 370 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,000 What I do know is that Gregory was forty eight 371 00:23:20,039 --> 00:23:23,559 at the time of his disappearance. He was also a 372 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:26,400 slight man, believed to be between five foot five and 373 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,480 five foot nine and weighing between one hundred and twenty 374 00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:33,200 and one hundred and fifty pounds, and that his disappearance 375 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,519 occurred just two weeks after Iz had his maiden voyage 376 00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:41,880 celebration with his new boat. The other two disappearances that 377 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:45,119 could be keys or could be suicides are Stephen Michael 378 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,880 Mason and Celia Darlene Barnes. Stephen Mason went missing on 379 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,000 June twentieth, two thousand and six. He and his wife 380 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,319 had been camping at a Dungeness Forks, US Forest Service 381 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,240 campground in the Olympic National Forest. They got into an 382 00:24:00,319 --> 00:24:04,160 argument and his wife eventually left the camp site. The 383 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:06,799 following day, Stephen went to a friend's house and asked 384 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:09,720 that friend to return the Mason's vehicle and his wife's 385 00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:12,720 purse back to her. The friend agreed and then drove 386 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:17,079 Stephen back to the campground and left him there. He 387 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,359 was never seen or heard from again, and he wasn't 388 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,559 reported missing for nine days. Following that last sighting. A 389 00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:26,960 two day search of the forest turned up no sign 390 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,400 of him, only a cash of food. Mason, who was 391 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,079 fifty two at the time, was an experienced camper and 392 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,759 fisherman who knew the area very well and had camped 393 00:24:35,759 --> 00:24:40,160 there for extended periods previously. Is camp be placed anywhere 394 00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,720 on the date Stephens was last seen, but he had 395 00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:46,160 been camping at Lake Ozette three days prior and traveled 396 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,400 to Ridgefield, Oregon to buy an ATV two days following. 397 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:54,880 On June twenty second, Celia Darlene Barnes was last seen 398 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,559 while hiking with her sister near the House of Mystery 399 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,279 in gold Hill, Oregon. On September one, two thousand and two, 400 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,000 Celia and her sister separated while looking for aluminum cans 401 00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,599 and trinkets and planned to meet later in the day 402 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:11,039 at her sister's car, but Celia never arrived and has 403 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,880 never been seen again. Barnes had been reported missing once before, 404 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,079 when she got lost while hiking. She was eventually found 405 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,319 safe that time. However, the incident became a source of 406 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,519 contention amongst Celia and her family when she made it 407 00:25:24,559 --> 00:25:26,960 clear that she was both embarrassed and angry that they'd 408 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,680 reported her missing. So when she went missing on this hike, 409 00:25:31,599 --> 00:25:35,920 her family waited thirty hours before informing the authorities. Tracker 410 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,359 dogs were eventually able to trace her scent to an 411 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,920 Interstate five off ramp, and a week after her disappearance, 412 00:25:42,079 --> 00:25:44,640 a man in gold Hill found the bronze ski pole 413 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,440 she used as a walking stick. That man passed a 414 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,079 polygraph and isn't considered a suspect in her case. Celia 415 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,799 was fifty seven, a veteran and receiving cancer treatment at 416 00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:58,480 the time of her disappearance, and there's no information about 417 00:25:58,519 --> 00:26:01,519 Izza's timeline for the entire month of September that year 418 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,160 the sixth of these national and state park disappearances that 419 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,440 could have been keys as Roy Lauren Stevens, and There's 420 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,799 so many factors that go into Roy's case that it 421 00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:15,920 makes it nearly impossible to determine why he went missing. 422 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,079 Roy was last seen in the early hours of November sixteenth, 423 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:23,920 two thousand and five, in Crescent, Oregon. After spending the 424 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,359 evening at the Odell Lake Lodge, where he worked as 425 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,359 a chef, Roy met with some friends at a local 426 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,480 bar for drinks. At eleven PM, he called his wife 427 00:26:33,519 --> 00:26:37,279 to say he was on his way home. Roy never 428 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,920 arrived and was never heard from again. Nine days later, 429 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,279 his car was found abandoned on the Waldo Lake Access 430 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:48,000 Road on a mountain in the Willamette National Forest, about 431 00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:51,359 thirty five miles from where he was last seen. His 432 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,200 wallet and paycheck were found inside the car, and a 433 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,680 puddle of vomit was found nearby. Roy's family tried to 434 00:26:57,759 --> 00:27:00,640 rally a community search and rescue effort, but were told 435 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,799 by local law enforcement that they wouldn't be able to 436 00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:05,640 go up to the mountain because it wasn't safe and 437 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,000 nobody else in the local community offered or volunteered to 438 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:13,200 help do anything. Three different law enforcement agencies had been 439 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:17,160 involved in the case. Lane County, Klamath County, and the 440 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,119 Willamette National Forest. Roy lived in Klamath County. His car 441 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,440 was found in the Willamette National Forest, which was also 442 00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:31,000 in Lane County. The multiple jurisdictions didn't help in the search, 443 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,559 and in the end, only four hours of searching were 444 00:27:35,559 --> 00:27:38,799 ever conducted and cadaver dogs were never sent to the 445 00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:42,440 area that Roy vanished from. There were rumors that Roy 446 00:27:42,519 --> 00:27:45,880 was involved in local drug trade, which is why people 447 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:49,000 believe his case wasn't taken more seriously. At the time 448 00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:52,039 of his disappearance, Roy was forty eight years old in 449 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:59,720 caring for his terminally ill wife. While this m O 450 00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:03,519 was quite successful for Keys, some big life changes and 451 00:28:03,599 --> 00:28:06,799 new experiences forced him to adapt and evolve his methods 452 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:10,240 for murder. In early two thousand and five, he met 453 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,960 a woman we'll call Kristin, who would eventually be his 454 00:28:14,079 --> 00:28:17,400 living girlfriend at the time of his arrest. Kristin was 455 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,160 also close to a decade older than is, but otherwise 456 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:23,000 couldn't have been any more different from Tammy. She was 457 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,759 incredibly independent and enjoyed doing her own thing, and I 458 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:28,599 know at one point. 459 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:34,079 Speaker 2: In time you told us that was oblivious to Yeah, 460 00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:36,680 you use that word, I think to what was going 461 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:37,279 on and stuff. 462 00:28:37,319 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 3: Do you think that there was you know when you 463 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,799 met her, was there a tom tub type of attraction 464 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,519 like that that you perceived that it would be an 465 00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:48,680 easy relationship to carry on because she wouldn't be suspicious? 466 00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 2: Was Tammy the same way? No, there's. 467 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 10: Yeah, there was certain personality types that I would work 468 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:14,599 harder at having a relationship with because. 469 00:29:16,519 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 2: You know they would have For example, she has pretty. 470 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 5: Hectic career and her own she has her own social life, and. 471 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,559 Speaker 2: She's I guess I could say, like a self contained person. 472 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:39,119 Speaker 5: So we had a good relationship, but it was easy 473 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,559 to separate myself from it. 474 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,839 Speaker 1: Kristen worked in remote medical training, which had her frequently 475 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,000 traveling the country for work, and as she and i 476 00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:52,799 Is began dating and getting more serious, she started inviting 477 00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:55,920 Is and sometimes Sarah on these work trips with her. 478 00:29:56,839 --> 00:30:00,039 She was using her Alaska Airlines Frequent Flyer miles to 479 00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:03,960 cover the cost of Izza's trips, and so suddenly Is 480 00:30:04,079 --> 00:30:07,799 found himself traveling to remote corners of the country with 481 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:13,079 no financial records, spending the majority of his days unoccupied 482 00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:18,920 while Kristin taught people how to save lives in the wilderness. Eventually, 483 00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:23,160 Iz began tacking family visits and vacations onto these work trips, 484 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,240 which had him taking multi destination flights and racking up 485 00:30:28,279 --> 00:30:32,200 rental car mileage all over the country. And it's on 486 00:30:32,359 --> 00:30:35,359 many of these trips that the FBI believes he committed murders, 487 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,079 bank robberies, and arsons. And that makes sense. It was 488 00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:42,680 harder to connect him through financial records to any of 489 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:46,680 these places. He always tried to keep a tight timeline 490 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:51,640 while committing crimes, and as he became a more sophisticated 491 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,119 serial killer, he made certain there was always a great 492 00:30:55,160 --> 00:31:02,720 and immediate distance between himself and his crimes. But there 493 00:31:02,759 --> 00:31:05,079 was one thing that didn't add up to me. You know, 494 00:31:05,119 --> 00:31:08,119 we talk a lot about Israel using travel to conceal 495 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,440 his crimes, and these convoluted methods of travel he used. 496 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,440 The FBI files show that the FBI strongly believes on 497 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,279 a trip he took to Sacramento, he may have committed 498 00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:24,240 a murder. And the one thing I have been struck 499 00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:28,000 by is that on that trip his girlfriend was with him, 500 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:32,799 and in fact, on about fifty percent of his crazy, 501 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,920 you know, multi destination travels, either his girlfriend or his 502 00:31:37,079 --> 00:31:39,839 daughter were with him. Do you think it's possible that 503 00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:43,559 while he was traveling with family on these vacations, he 504 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,839 was capable of actually murdering people. 505 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:50,519 Speaker 11: I know it was possible. Gary Richway, the Green River Killer, 506 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,359 talks about the time he went out to getting prostituted 507 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,119 as his young son in the truck with him. He 508 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,160 did kill the woman, raped her, killed or strangled her, 509 00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:04,759 and was asked what would have happened if your son 510 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,759 would have seen what you were doing? And he said, well, 511 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:09,240 I would have had to kill him too. So yeah, 512 00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:12,200 it's absolutely possible for them to go out and commit 513 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,079 these acts while also with their families acting like normal 514 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,759 human beings. They do it all the time. I don't 515 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:25,000 think he would have necessarily planned to have done something, 516 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,400 but if he would have seen an opportunity, he might 517 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,319 have gone for it. Like you know, he burglarized a 518 00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:33,839 lot of homes too. That might have happened while he 519 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,640 had family with him. You know, we'd have to really 520 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,160 know if there were long stretches of time that they 521 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,440 didn't know where he was, and I don't know that 522 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:43,400 we have that information.