Speaker 1: And changed my.
Speaker 2: It's too late. You can't change it now. Hello ladies
and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Getmicked. Maybe our
longest break ever since we've been doing the two a month. Obviously,
when we did once a month, there was but this
was a longer break. Lots of stuff, Halloween happened, we
had extra life, so we apologize in that half s Bubs,
he's taking another longer break. He's gone. I'm looking at
any nightmare of Tresta. I'm joined by the red dead
hangman David. How's it going today, sir?
Speaker 3: So far, so good.
Speaker 4: Just getting geared up for America Thanksgiving. So I had
to do a whole lot of shopping because the nice
lady at Walmart towed me get everything that I need
now because Thursday they will not be open and don't
even attempt to show up.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we had that for obviously, King Anything's in October.
And the pumpkin pies at Costco. They are like the
highest drugs on the streets. It is hard to acquire.
And we had to be there like half like forty
five minutes before they opened and then they sold. After
ten minutes, those pies were gone. You would think, like
pumpkin pies, do a bunch and they literally go no
because we.
Speaker 5: Use all the ingredients, so they're going to be gone
until the next day.
Speaker 2: So it is tough to get some stuff when it
comes to Thanksgiving time, you know, But that's the way
it is sometimes. So let's see maybe he's back this time.
Let's see if he is.
Speaker 6: S Bubs and I had it out because I really
wanted to log into to use my backgrounds because I
made I made a background specifically for today.
Speaker 1: I was up yesterday making and I need to use
it enough.
Speaker 2: Why have you taken this slide against hang Man? You
know he's a good guy, he's a father, he works hard.
Some people would call him the Ace of AW s Bubs.
But now you made your mission to meme upon this man,
celebrate when a lot of AW fans are down, which
we're gonna talk about after last night, and you're just
rubbing in their faces with now Joe, you you went
from one Joe to another or wait, no, John, I
guess but you know, so okay, I'll let load and
then you can make your statement of what why you
hate hang Man?
Speaker 1: Pay half Travis Scott half Hook.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, oh, I don't like that.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, unacceptable.
Speaker 2: Damn hook.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're gonna get there.
Speaker 2: So what we're gonna do, we'll get some slots on
after we're gonna do the So it's our last draft shakeup, right,
this is our last one for the year. Yeah. Oh,
so we do have one more before rumble, right, is
that it?
Speaker 5: Okay? So it's just for the year, So it's our
we're over the halfway home.
Speaker 2: So obviously for WW we've all drafted ten people and
one job or we're gonna go down the list and
we're gonna do some drops. We're gonna do that first
because usually on shake up days we like to do
that first, so we're not spoiling thoughts or holding anything back.
So we'll do that because we're already doing w B
will transition to Survives your survivors predictions, and then we'll
talk about full gear and maybe just not much Continental Classic,
but at least what we know, maybe some early predictions
and what's going on there. So yeah, that's what we're
gonna be doing today. We will not this month, but
next month we will be back with GMO. We're gonna
get back to that I know we got some catching
up to do, so we probably have to finish the
season before twenty six comes out. We'll probably have a
couple months where we'll do two together, but that's okay.
December or an especially January February, we'll get a lot
more quiet, so we'll catch up there and then yeah,
and then again, just a big thank you David for
hosting the Marvel Trivia Extra Life and smub Thinks for
being my team and holding it down. You got some
you got some deep cut questions there, which was good,
especially the Defenders one.
Speaker 7: I could not believe I got a shows I like
did it one and it was all from stuff like
I remember through like YouTube Channe Yeah, like the Doom
Patrol one, Like I haven't seen Doom Patrol, but everyone
clost to that scene.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I wouldn't if people can go back because
he had David hosted the Marvel Trip I would never
gone on. It was like the what references and defenders
are there to the Avengers? David asked, I would have
gone the Avengers because every single Netflix show mentions like
the Event or what out of New York.
Speaker 5: But I would not have gone the Pomination haulk fight.
Speaker 7: Yeah from like Agents of Shield because Agents fiealed like
they would only reference like like the first like like
fa yes.
Speaker 2: It's like they were stuck there forever, you know. But yeah, no,
that was a good time. So again, thank you guys
for doing that. And yeah, luckily our team obviously not David,
there're no collusion here because he also hosts Marvel Alliance
with Chris, so it's absolutely fair, no collusion here. Our
our team got the win by one point though, so
it was super it was super close. So we'll see
if we run back next year. But currently, right now,
I'll pull up do you have the points? I have
the rosters, but do you have the points? Okay, what
are the points right now? For the draft if people
don't know, we get the superstars and we base it
off of main events wins, title wins.
Speaker 5: Losses, all that type of stuff.
Speaker 2: If it works very much like a fantasy football draft,
and that's what we do throughout the year. But our
calendar ends at elimination Chamber because we started the pod
Guess right before WrestleMania, so that's why Chamber is our
finale somehow.
Speaker 7: But uh well, it's like Chamber is the finale and
then well it's really more that Wrestleingia is the start
of Yes.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so what we said that points wise?
Speaker 7: Okay, So David is at five hundred and sixteen points. Okay, uh,
I am at seven hundred and thirty six points, and
Travis is in first place with seven hundred and ninety
six points.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got a nice, nice little lead there. Okay,
I'll take that. So and then what we're doing today
is everybody's gonna drop uh, well not everybody, don't have to.
I guess what we can do is though you can
drop one of your spots and film them.
Speaker 5: Obviously we're gonna.
Speaker 2: Be going uh in the is the draft order the
way we have it here like the SPOS draft? David?
Is that what it is?
Speaker 1: I think it was now I feel like we always
do by like like last person most points.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fine, that's fine. We'll give David, because David,
we were talking about this off air Bianca just throughout
the year, giving you the biggest goose egg of all time.
Oh that's the other person I'm dropping. Yeah, I'm making
a lot of changes here today. So David, are you
We'll let you go up first. We'll go David Spobs
and myself.
Speaker 1: David, everyone announced their drops if.
Speaker 7: You have them right, Yeah, we'll do drops first to
people to draft them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So David currently has Cody Rhoades, Beyonca bell Air,
Sephanie Vakir, Chelsea Green, lle Knight, Bronson Reed, Tiffany Strand,
Jay Cargil, Finnbaler, Montese Ford, and Carmelo Hayes is his
jobber of the year, you know, currently in the Last
Time Tournament gotta win.
Speaker 5: So, David, who are you going to be.
Speaker 2: Dropping from your list of anybody.
Speaker 4: I am going to be dropping from my list Montese
Ford and Beyonca bell Air. Sorry the husband and wife team. Man,
you're you're you're getting dropped.
Speaker 2: And you're still keeping Carmelo as the job or hey,
you know where he's gonna win that Last Time tournament?
Want to beat Sina new Icy Champ.
Speaker 4: You know he's he's headed for the run of his life.
Or they just needed an excuse, not because they realize that.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we booked Bronson in this last uh this match
over here, but we also booked him in this match
over here, so we have to take him out of
one of these.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it was uh yeah, I I I will
get there. I was not a fan of the camp.
Just let the guy pin him. Let's like, let just
do a roll up, just do a classic roll up.
Cody punches him like because obviously it's cheating. So he's
gonna get the win there. But now between then and
the six seven, I don't know what's happened to my
boy right now. But and then currently, so subs has
John Cena, Gunther, Penta, Eo Sky, naomis almost annoyingly Scott
not the actress, just Naomi see him, Punk Ranger, Julia Phoenix,
renee A roxxandperors Nathan Frazier and his jobber of the
You're right now is Solo Sicle, who's also successfully moving
forward into the Last Time tournament.
Speaker 5: So Sub's you're making any drops there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, well I have three.
Speaker 7: I'm definitely gonna drop, and then the others I'm like
sort of split on, but I'll decide by the end
of my segment here. So I'm dropping Solo for sure.
I'm dropping Nathan Fraser, Phoenix and Naoi Phoenix.
Speaker 2: I can't believe, like I know, people like to you know,
always spin on Dave Meltzer. But Dave's right in this say,
since that Phoenix should have stayed. Aw you, I know
his brother's there and they're waiting for that tag team run,
but now that they're doing it in triple A, it's
like he doesn't even get the pent to rub on
the main roster. It's it's like, I do think Phoenix
probably should have stayed, but obviously it's it's twenty twenty, right,
But I have I.
Speaker 1: Have a few more. I think I'm.
Speaker 7: Because there's two it's like, you know what I'm gonna
I'm gonna drop Julia as well. And then I had
two owners. I was like half splint on, but the
more I think about it, I think.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep.
Speaker 2: Okay, there we go. Okay, So I got a lot
going on injury wise. I got Seth injured. I got
uh Liv Morgan semi still injured. I know she could
come back, but it's just like when is that gonna
come back? I don't know. And then I got Jordan
Grace who's just injured my roster. She's not injured, but
she's goddamn reports and whatnot. So so obviously I'm gonna
drop Seth for sure, because obviously if there's some chance
he makes a John Cena run and return at the WrestleMania, great,
if it's rumbled and sure, then maybe I miss out
and they give him the big rub.
Speaker 5: But I don't think so. I think when the Mountain
Times Set's.
Speaker 2: Been injured, they're gonna take it slower, and I feel
like it works better for him to return after WrestleMania.
I think it's just mess if he comes back at Madia,
but you never know, and then it's Jordan Grace.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm getting rid of her.
Speaker 2: I know she could come up, but fuck, she's gonna
win the TEENA title like ten more times. Yeah, tomorrow,
she'll show up on Monday at Raw. She'll beat U
who's the current world champion right now. For the women
on it should be Stephanie. Yeah, she'll be Maxine and
aunt Stephanie. They'll do a they'll do a WrestleMania two
thousand when they did I'm not sure if he ever
heard or seen this match Spubs. When it was Kurt Angle,
he had the Intercontinental and the European title. Yeah, you
defended against Jericho and Ben Waugh. Whoever won the first
fall got the European Tell second fall ic that's gonna happen,
and Jordan Grace is gonna win both more and I'm
gonna be all salty. And then I have someone like
Lyra that I think I'm gonna keep. I know she
wrestles on RAW. I just we'll talk about when we
get the War Games Man, just like the fall off
of like not I won't say her, but especially Bailey Bailey.
They're doing like this all star women's team match and
it's just like she's nowhere to be seen.
Speaker 5: It's just kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: So I'm not picking Bailey, but Lyra I'll keep because
obviously Matt, she can challenge for the Icy title. They
could do some other stuff around there, So I think
I'll keep her for now. I'm just back and forth
on lift because it's just because if she's legitimately back
early twenty twenty six for me, she'll be in Rumble
and she'll be in Chamber for sure, and those are
two big events for me. But it's just like you
never know, So I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna take a
gamble and I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it.
Speaker 1: If she was filming like.
Speaker 5: The Baniads and stuff.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, like.
Speaker 1: They didn't put beyonc and that. Oh no, like a
top star.
Speaker 2: She would be in the Yeah, okay, and I guess, oh,
here's the other person. I'm gonna drop autoin theory because
I guess like it's a good like it's not awful
because he's not there winning and getting me like negative points.
But he also is not getting me any points because
he's not even on TV. So I'm gonna drop him
right now. Maybe you don't picks them. I'll get him
back in at some point, but I think I have
a couple of jobbers that I would prefer to have there.
But yeah, Austin Theory, Uh see you later.
Speaker 1: So uh Seth Jordan and Theory. Yeah right, yeah, okay,
I dropped Frasier, Phoenix, Julia, Naomi and Solo geez yeah
if someone really wants of course.
Speaker 7: And then David dropped Montes and Bianca.
Speaker 1: Did you keep Carmela Hayes as the job.
Speaker 2: Right he did? Yes? Okay, So David is two, I
have two in a job or and then spos you
have like three in a job right, three?
Speaker 1: Four and a jar?
Speaker 2: Oh so you got five packs Okay, there we go.
So but David, the floor is yours. Who are you
adding to your roster? You get two slots, so you
just pick your first one out. But who you adding
up the bat?
Speaker 4: My first edition is gonna be mister Ilia Dragonoff.
Speaker 2: Oh you bastard, can alright? You do that? You He's
definitely not my list at all. All rights, bubs?
Speaker 6: Who you?
Speaker 2: Who you bring up the bat?
Speaker 7: I mean I've been saying it, like I said, he's
gonna win me this draft.
Speaker 1: I'm going right away Chris Jericho.
Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, I guess because there's a good chance
he could be at.
Speaker 1: The run three hundred points he doesn't win.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right that if Jericho debut. Now, the only
thing that was because it's a it's an unannounced debut, right.
Speaker 1: I think it's just legend return.
Speaker 2: Legend return.
Speaker 8: Okay, so so I haven't end yet Legend return or
like ww debut only once per person and must wrestle
a match.
Speaker 2: Yeah that were well, hopefully Jericho's just there for talking
to Jericho, that's my only or like the highlight reel, right.
Speaker 1: He's joining under podcast.
Speaker 4: He could they in a whole podcast network, but special
WrestleMania guest host christ Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man. I wish Dwayne was ready to make
that return, and I missed out on the Brock points
even though I don't want to Brock on the roster.
But uh, I'm gonna pick h Let's take a look here.
I have someone i'd prefer to pick right now, but
I feel like he'll get some stuff going on right now,
so I'm gonna I'm gonna take Drew McIntyre. I think
at least I should get some like I imagine the
men will main event, the men war games, like they're
not gonna let the women main event. I don't know
why more interested than that, but that's fine. And then
I'm sure he'll be in chamber and rumble. I don't
think he's winning any of those because I may as
well just put him in job or the year. But maybe,
just maybe if we don't, because also there may have
plans have changed. Maybe if they are gonna do Cody
and Randy, maybe what we've pitched before and what I
was supped to talk about that maybe still there's a
chance Drew could win it. But like again, we didn't
review Sarah's main event. I don't know Drew has lost
just way too much, and uh, but I do think
at least he's gonna appear in big stuff and I
get those main event stuff or rumbles or like even
then we get like points per elimination rumble, right, so
it's like he usually throws a good amount of people.
So True is just a good guy to have him,
you know, my face across that. Maybe he does. Cody
drops it to him once there. So that's that's my
first pick up. So Dave inspect you for your uh,
your final pick?
Speaker 4: All right, uh, my final pick. God, I got two
that I'm I'm thinking about here. One is a good
reliable the next one is the future of the business.
You know what I think I am going to go
with the future of the business. I am going to
pick up Dirty Dumb mystereo.
Speaker 2: Damn it, I had him coming up next. That's a
good one.
Speaker 4: It is between him and a female wrestler who I'm
not going to say in case someone is is on
the line for them.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it's gonna win that icy title back
on Saturday and you'll have like a good run and
we'll talk about that too. I was just fun.
Speaker 5: I'm frustrated all all.
Speaker 2: This johnsona Shenanians. But Bob, who you who are you
falling out?
Speaker 5: Chris Jericho with.
Speaker 1: HM, I have a pretty good list of names, I think. Oh,
I like, I don't know. I guess I wrote my
list like twice. I just really, but I think I'm
gonna go with Osca.
Speaker 4: Okay, that that was my my other choice.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you just think because she's in war, like
she has the title.
Speaker 1: Like like, I feel like she's gonna win, Like.
Speaker 7: I mean, my my, my, my theory is that she
she beats Stephanie and that's how they get to like like,
I think Oscar goes into me.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe she she loses again.
Speaker 7: At Mania, but I think she she might go into
Mania as a champion.
Speaker 1: I mean could be icy too.
Speaker 2: But I was gonna say, you're still predicting this. I'm
telling you it's not happening. I'm telling you, Stephanie Ria.
I see the vision, I see the poster, I see
the memes something.
Speaker 7: Something something Evu was saying is that, like, weirdly, out
of everyone, Bruce Pritchard loves Osca.
Speaker 1: She He just thinks she's like the greatest ever.
Speaker 2: So you'll be pushing one way or another.
Speaker 1: I think Oscar should should get this rubble in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be like the Jay is the thing?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Yeah that was yeah, Well we'll see what can change.
Yeah that what was the current because it was red
and then it was like backy. Right, there's the rumor
that they're thinking about for WrestleMania. It's like I can see,
but like it's something like Becky's. I just Becky needs
a big match at Mania. But I also don't don't
know if that's the right fit. Like I just don't know.
I don't know. I think it needs to be something else.
But I guess we'll see when we get there. So, okay,
so I got one morning job or my jobber is
lined up. I feel now I could be wrong. Maybe
we dropped because he had a break at some point.
I don't know, but I'm just gonna go here. I
believe no one has Sammy's ain, and I'm gonna take
Sammy's ain. And that's the case. I kept looking. I
was like, he has to be here, he's doing those
challenges there. But he's just a guy. He's just a guy.
Speaker 5: That's gonna always wrestle a lot.
Speaker 2: I don't have anything like.
Speaker 1: Like because you're a normal picker.
Speaker 2: Yeah, normal pick Yeah yeah, not that yet, No, because
I was trying to think and like I could take
a swing and go for a rock or something that,
but the rock ain't coming back.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's busy there.
Speaker 2: And then even brock like, you know, there's always a
chance they just say fucking he wins the rumble, like
there's don't get me wrong, there's always a chance or
he'll be versusing goon the.
Speaker 7: But for now, Brocky only wrestles like on the peel. Yes,
even even then, it's just some of them, So you're
only be getting like exactly once in a while.
Speaker 1: And he could be opening the show.
Speaker 2: Too, So you gonna I got a red eye.
Speaker 5: We gotta do warriams.
Speaker 1: First, you like like five points every.
Speaker 4: Like, especially those overseas papers, and they've got a lot
of those lined up. So he's gonna be jet sitting
out of there.
Speaker 2: Yeah where you never know, Sammy, maybe something happens big
for him this year. I really don't know.
Speaker 1: Mmmm, well you picked him so back to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I know, I know, I forgot to drop
somebody that I'll check after if I can drop because
I forgot they're injured, so I'll check with the council.
Speaker 1: I was gonna mention that person.
Speaker 2: To I totally got his teeth are sucked up. So
but after yeah, after, yeah that's fine. I completely forgot, like,
oh no, I'm looking at Big J. I'm like, oh
my god, I.
Speaker 1: Think I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 7: You know, he's getting his his retirement run. I'm gonna
go with AJ styles.
Speaker 2: There you go, current men's world take.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe he'll.
Speaker 7: Get some some tag title defenses. That's some three points.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I still like, I don't know, I still
would not be just fucking let him win the world
heavyweight title for a month, you know, like let him
let him win it for like an let like I
don't know, let him win that or something. I would
like to see that. So okay, so Dave's old squared away.
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make it write down that you dropped it.
Speaker 2: Okay, I can jump, thank you, because I completely forgot
about fat before because it's like, I know, I have
three injured people, and then I saw him there.
Speaker 1: But this is like the mee Chin rule where someone
like a later Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it since scouts honor so okay, So dropping Jacob
faw to uh and I'm gonna replace them with another
person in that family tree. I don't know if it's
gonna pay off, but I'm gonna swing for the fences.
I'm gonna get the big Dog. I'm gonna get the
OTC ABC one two three, Tribal Chief. I'm gonna get
Roman Reigns cause I think there's a hot chance that
he wins the Royal Rumble. I think they's a good chance.
So my think the reason I'm picking him is I
know he'll get war Game's main event pay per viewpoints
likely coming up. I know there's a good shot he
could win the Rumble and then obviously be on Chamber.
I know the dude does not wrestle, but that's what
I'm hoping is because there's a couple other people I
could pick, but I think they'll just get me these
little points. My hope is I'm picking Roman because either
Chamber or Rumble, I could see him winning one of those.
I think he's winning that world title I'm really hoping,
which we can probably transition to some more picks, but
I'm really hoping they just pull the band age and
do punking Roman one on one. That's what I want.
But I think Roman either way is getting some big stuff.
You might always be around. I'm sure he's gonna get
Susan on me through a table on raw and then
he's gone for another three months. But I think the
big events coming up, I got a good shot of him.
I'm winning one of those things. So I'm picking the
Roman reigns.
Speaker 4: I had thought about him earlier, but the whole taking
time off and you know, one month here, three months
off type deal kind of had me like, ah, man,
do I want to risk it?
Speaker 2: It's a risk, but I have to somehow counter Jericho
because Jero's gonna get one hundred point. But if I can't,
if Roman you get me some of those big events
and the events, maybe he can. He can get up there.
So big dog don't fail me, you know. So, Oh,
I guess I got you all the year still after okay,
who you got?
Speaker 7: I guess I'm gonna save my my main, my last
real pick.
Speaker 1: So said, I'll go for Jova and I'll go with
j D.
Speaker 2: God damn it. Okay, you can do your next pick too,
because I'm gonna need a second look at my roster
here of jobs maybe coming back.
Speaker 7: I had a backup jobber pick in case you picked
JD mcdona. I have the coat of jobbers. Who you
know he's putting work in the past. You know you
might remember him. I think you had him at one point.
Speaker 2: Is it Tazou or truth?
Speaker 1: It's one of those two?
Speaker 2: Okay, who do I want?
Speaker 7: Because ideally at my last person because a lot of
these are like, well, I mean, I think I have
pretty decent roster now, people who will rest pretty weekly
because that was kind of my issue in the last ones.
So it's either people who were like too big to
wrestle weekly or like too low.
Speaker 1: To wrestle weekly. Yeah, so I kind of want I'm
scrolling Cage Match to see. I mean, I have my list,
but I kind of have like either then or everyone
else has already taken. I might just go with this.
Speaker 7: First one was sat on my list initially, but I
think I'm gonna go with it. I'm gonna take Alexa Bliss.
Speaker 5: She was next to Rome.
Speaker 2: That's who I thought was Alexa Bliss because obviously she'll
be around I don't think they'll win that title again,
but I think they're gonna be. She's always be on
TV doing stuff, so yeah, yeah, no, I think that's
a good pick.
Speaker 7: Now you have your your job pick, I can give
you my my recommendation if you don't have anyone.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at Knockamora, you know, because she's always around.
There's a thought of tongas, there's a what does your
recommendation pick?
Speaker 7: Though?
Speaker 2: S Bobs, Well, alright, he has been rest because Alton
Prince has been gone right and he's just been on
his own jobbing out. Did they fishy break them up?
Speaker 4: According to Kit, they're not broken up. He's just quote
unquote doing his own thing right now.
Speaker 2: H just even looking at the women, who's who's losing lots?
I could have picked a pre but she got the
icy time though I know she's gonna lose it at
some point here, man, I got a lot. He was
like world champion for half a year and none of
us have Damien Priest and I even talked about Dame
Priest like he's just like in the.
Speaker 1: Ether event this week had a snackdown was like I
think probably facing Kit Wilson.
Speaker 2: That's that's brutal, that's a uh. I don't really know.
I'm all there's just a lot of people that.
Speaker 1: I just I don't think.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna, you know, I'm having a you know,
I him having a while. But I feel like every
time I see him lately he is losing. I'm gonna
throw up the miss. I feel like the Miss is
now just in that stage where he's doing media and
he's there to take the one two three. He had
his researches with the Our Truth thing that's over with.
He lost to what's his face? And the who beat
him in the first round in who O? Who's all right?
Because I'm much meaned about match, Like, yeah, I just
think that I just don't see him winning anything when
he's on TV. He's there just to lose. So yeah,
I'll take the Miss, see how he does, and go
from there.
Speaker 1: So I can read out all the rosters.
Speaker 7: Okay, perfect, So I have John Cena, Gunther, Penta, Eo Sky,
Chris Jerico, see him, punk oscar aj Styles, Rox Samprez,
Alexa Bliss, and my jobbers JD McDonough, which I probably
spelled wrong.
Speaker 2: That's fine.
Speaker 5: I didn't know how to say it for here either.
Speaker 7: So then tres Is Ria, Drew bron Charlotte, Jay, Becky
Live Roman, Sammy Lyra and MS's Jobber.
Speaker 1: And then David has.
Speaker 7: Cody, Ilia, Stephanie, Chelsea, l A Knight, Bronson Reed, Tiffany, Jade,
Finn Dominic and Javers Carmela. David has like an all
SmackDown roster pretty much only people on on wrong.
Speaker 4: My only fear with my roster is Chelsea Green because
she's spent more time in n XT recently doing her
run with Ethan Page. But I'm hoping that she gets
some more main roster showing. But that I mean, I've
got a good roster of people.
Speaker 3: I just need them to do something with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, show up too and stuff. So well, speaking of
David's roster, we're gonna start off with Survivor Series first match.
I have listed here my god, Stephanie Vakir versus Nicki
Bella for the Women's World Championship.
Speaker 5: I don't know what we're doing here. We the people
talk about.
Speaker 2: I thought that Nicki Bella Becky Lynch match was maybe
like a wake up for WB because it felt like
Nicky Bella like took a back scene was just like
in the backstage stuff and like help me. Stephanie's like, okay,
she'd be there, get a pop sell submerged cool, but
now we didn't learn and Nicky Bella, you know who's
not like the worst ever of course, I'm just saying
of when they everybody talks about man, this is the
most talented the woman roster's ever been. And we even
talked about too with Roxanne last episode. We're like, oh yeah,
when they do that defense, it's gonna have to be
like Saturday's Man event or a pair of you that
could be Now I just did on random row and
she just beat her. Like that's the thing where I
just I got no interest here. I like Stephanie, but
if I have to, which luckily it's only a four
match card as of now, I don't think is there
any rumored matches to be added because we have men's
war games I see, and then that no.
Speaker 7: The only one people are like maybe speculation since they're
like putting it off for so long and it's not
been like announced, like they didn't tape it for like
the SmackDown before Survivors series is like maybe Ilia versus Champa.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, which one.
Speaker 7: People are like because they keep putting that one like
off and off, and I was thinking like they might
do it just like smack Down before Survivors Series.
Speaker 1: But I saw like the tapings and they didn't do it.
Speaker 2: I do really wish I.
Speaker 7: Didn't didn't defend his title on the on the taping,
so that might just be like a backsipe segment like
at Survivors Series.
Speaker 2: He beat some backstage right or something. They just did
a false count anywhere match. The whole match was a
backstage brawl. But no, I really wish they will have
to see the run time. But I really wish they
put that five man elimination tag like on the pay
per view because I think they would have been a
fun throwback to you're doing the Survivor Series tag and
he got war games.
Speaker 5: I think that would have been fun.
Speaker 2: Would have been nice pay per viewpoints for a bunch
of us too, you know, Sammy, But I digress. Yeah, No,
I guess it was to me smarter to turn Nikki
heel because like she does kind of get like a
mixed response. I think this match is going to be
I know, I bet, I think it's top level. Could
be a three point five, but that's again at its
top level. Nicky is better as a heel, so I
think that could do some advantage for this, but I
don't know. Stephanie gets to win, and I think it's
in a very all right type of match.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: I got scared for a minute because once they start
really pushing, this is Nicki's final run.
Speaker 3: I go, do not do something stupid like.
Speaker 4: Go, oh, you're avent, We're going to give you one
last run with the title.
Speaker 3: She's not one of the people that you give.
Speaker 2: To Rebella to return and interfere and Stephaniel.
Speaker 3: So but no, I got Stephanie taking it.
Speaker 4: I think that she's going to have another dominant win,
and I think that she is going to carry this match,
and it will be obvious Nicki has gotten better over
the years. I'm not saying she's the same person she
was ten to fifteen years ago, but still Stephanie's going
to obviously carry this match and it's it's gonna be
a C plus effort at best.
Speaker 2: That might also be the designed by them too, right.
They might be putting Stephanie in the hall or like, okay,
let's see what she can do with somebody that's like
not an a tier five star worker that like, Okay,
even her and Rock Sande can probably have a great
match in their sleep, right where Nikki, you know, the
older had their neck injuries, hasn't been in the game
as much. A lot of times they do this, it's like, Okay,
let's see what she could do, because then in the
future they know, oh, if we need to put her
with this person, that person, Stephanie can do where some
people can't. Right, we can't talk about it with Tiffany.
I feel like some of those matches, like with Jade,
they've been so short because either they don't trust Jade
or they don't trust Tiffany, like they don't trust one
of them, right, And maybe this is like a trustful
exercise for Stephanie theay, okay, what can what can she
do in this situation? You know?
Speaker 7: But yeah, yeah, I will say I guess for this,
I was liking what Nicki is doing like as a
face recently, but I see people always say that she's
better as a heel, So yeah, I think in terms
of like a match, I think it'll probably work out
obviously with her as a heel if compared to they
did as like a face versus face thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 7: Probably easier for her to get like the heat in
this match. I mean, I feel like the layout of
this match will probably just be like Nikki just like
working her over for the.
Speaker 2: Yea until cheap shots come back with all.
Speaker 7: The moves and stuff. But uh yeah, it'll probably just
be fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, I'm glad we didn't get like the Hangman
sim O Joe. They beat each other like high five
and then turn and get the rematch showing I do
like again, I don't. I really don't know why they
would care. I just feel like, and I'm not asking
for this, but clearly want to use Nickki Bella. I
don't know why with the women's division they don't bring
back Brie and for the fun run, they just don't
have them as a heel tag team or whatever. Who
cares that Brian's on the desk, Like, no one gets
that's what's so funny, Like these companies and they both do.
No one gives a fuck. No one is gonna be like, man,
oh that's Rebella, Like no one's watching the Yeah, Brebella
walks and screen there. Oh I forgot about Brian Danielson,
what's he up to? And they say, Daniel Brian, he's
on a w he's a commentator. I gotta watch for that.
Like and don't get me wrong, Brian might be the
best commentator right now. He's great. But just like the
way sometimes they think these billionaires like we tubbles all
the time with like movies and TV shows, it's like
no one cares that he's on the desk. Just bring
her back and let them have a run. I don't
need both bells back, but clearly after Nicki loses this
other than like, honestly, I could see them do a
Maxine she could you that? Or I could I could
see a Maxine Nikki feud, and I could see I
could see Nicki getting that title actually, and then you
could have even lyre take it off her. So if
they don't bring Bella back, I think you could see
her on one show the other doing the single or
the secondary title, but.
Speaker 7: Nikki the icy title, and you do the the Nicky
versus a j Lee dream dream reman.
Speaker 2: You could yeah, and that's when you bring b back,
and you do you run back the whole kiss storyline again.
But yeah, it's just like I don't know what, like,
just just bring her back, just let them do their
fun run together. Put them in the tag vision because
right now you got Osca and Cary, and then imagine
they're gonna do a rematch with Bliss and Flair. But
then after that, like who else is there left for them?
Diverse like the Kabooki Warriors. Yeah, if they just beat
Flair and Bliss, there's not many.
Speaker 7: I mean depends on like if they lose the Wargames match,
then they could face like Lash and Naya for like losing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, that's true.
Speaker 1: That's a good point you can do.
Speaker 7: I mean they haven't faced like anyone for the titles yet,
so you could do against like Bailey and Lyra.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like actually for the titles they've had like some
tag matches, you know what we can You can always
just do the classic Chelsea Green and album fire.
Speaker 2: Yeah random, but you'd have to. It's like what we
talked about with hang Man. You have to flip the
Kabooky Warriors then, right, or get people to flip because
they're they're heels right now, right, So it's like you've
pitched two heel teams with Chelsea and Alba and then
lash night they now.
Speaker 7: Look at like if they're if they're facing faces, they
get and if they're facing heels they get cheered.
Speaker 2: That's true. You can flip those too easily. Yeah, She's
kind of like a tweener that way. So yeah, and
that's what's interesting with because I I don't watch weeg
with Bailey and Lyra. Did they just kind of drop
this whole Bailey like snaping type of storyline.
Speaker 7: Really literally this week on Rot, like Oscar and Kyrie
were like backstage, like before there was anything of Becky.
They were looking backstage for like and they want to
ask Bailey to like be on their war games team,
and she was like like no, like I can't forget
all the stuff you guys did to me like two
years ago. And then Lara came up to her and
was like, oh, like I'm proud of you for for
like telling them knowing stuff, and then Bailey like snapped
and like got mad at her until they're like she's
an idiot and.
Speaker 2: Walk they're bringing it back finally. Yeah, I'm just kind
of surprised that Bailey's not a part of this all,
especially like like Bailey Becky Bliss like it feels weird
of like the awestme Mercedes has gone, but it feels
like the past year it's been like Bliss is like
taking her her slot. It's like the other four worst
woman going on. So yeah, I don't know what's gotten.
Speaker 7: There Satlander doing doing Bailey's move that's like when the when.
Speaker 1: Doinga's moves, yeah.
Speaker 2: Trying to get yeah, or when I remember the there's
that rum knockamor was doing the GTS to get pun stag.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Hey, I'm saying like I've said this. I think I
said this after wrestling, where I said I have to
see other year A goes. But I do think Bailey
should leave. It's not just because I prefer to me.
It's just that sometimes you have to do that and
then after they like, oh yeah we kind of screwed up,
like let's bring her back. I just don't think they're
doing much with her, Like sure, okay, she could snap
and maybe what's gonna happen is Lyra gets Icy title
back and they do that few but it just feels
like multiple times they've just kind of maybe they're doing
that purpose, maybe they maybe they get the vibe like hey,
I don't think she's resigning, like because their contract's up
next year. In the room, right, I think she said
to this in twenty six, Yeah, yeah, and it's like
I think money's still there to like at least twenty seven,
twenty eight. I guarantee you if Bailey went there.
Speaker 1: Nay, the rumor was I think.
Speaker 2: Was it late twenty six.
Speaker 7: I think it's like pretty much like January first, twenty
twenty seven.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's after Bailey, That's what I remember. But I
guarantee you if Bailey went to aw Tony's got that
in the back, like Monee's signing at least like a
year or two years, right, Like that's like that's a
done deal. So I just feel like for everybody involved,
like go there, there's some great matches she could have.
I just feel like in all these huge scenarios, Bailey's
again just kind of being left out. And I don't know,
go bet on yourself. But the roster, if I didn't say,
is Kubooki Warriors nine, AACS Lash Legend.
Speaker 5: Good for her for getting this big spot.
Speaker 2: And Becky Lynch versus re Ripley, Eosky, Alexa Bliss, Charlotte Flair,
and aj Lee just a fucking massive fantasy team. And
it's cool because it's like different eras of AJ started
that and then Blisten shot with the you know, original
nx T girls, and then Riha and I know, Whati
you are kind of like the leaders this gen. So
I'm on the bandwagon that I feel like the women
or the baby faces win just because they don't want
AJ to lose yet I know she wouldn't even take
the pin, but I feel like they want.
Speaker 1: I feel like it makes sense for like the heels
to win.
Speaker 7: But the women's face is like never losing war games,
Like that's a stat Like I think the only time
loss was like in like the second ever like n
XT women's work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even the main roster runs, they're always opening
up the show, right, So that's what it's like. You
kind of want the baby faces to win. And again,
like I said, I for me, it's just like when
AJ loses, that should be a big deal, not just
our first loss was in war games with a bunch
of other people. You know, I don't know what they do, Like,
I guess you could even have Becky beat her and
you set that up, but I don't think you need
to I think Becky's just gonna beat Maxine in a
rematch and then they'll run.
Speaker 7: That the Maxine doesn't have side plates, which means that
she's probably losing it.
Speaker 2: Right probably to probably to or they'll probably wait to
off Survivor series.
Speaker 7: I bat, Yeah, she defended it on like an NXT
house show, because I didn't notice that, like for the
past few months she's been doing like the NXT house
shows and stuff they've been sending her there. So yeah,
But I mean, well, the thing is, I guess in
the SmackDown tapings, like there was some stuff relating to
the Women's War Games, but like they said that there
was like a segment, but it was only backstage. So
I feel like if she won the title, like like
on Mondays, like they could just do shoot a second
version of it where she's holding the title and just
put that in backstage.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they could or a backstage brawl where Becky wins
it back you know they do they do a backstage brawl.
Well Dragonov loses to chomp On, then Maxine loses. But
h David, you got you disagree with this, But the
bait face women.
Speaker 4: I think the bait face women are going over. You
got to give aj Lee that that shining moment. You're
they're gonna have something go down between her and Becky
during the match. I mean, and that's one of the
good things about having someone like both Nia Jacks and
Lash Legend in here on the Hills team. Is both
of them seem primed to take the pin.
Speaker 2: Flick's gotta be it's gotta be not don't pin Lash
like first thing, Matt, it's I don't. I are car
in my opinion, like those are the two that could
take it.
Speaker 1: But Lash, like, are you gonna have like like Becky
tap out again.
Speaker 2: To aj Yeah, you could do the Moxley thing right
where she just keeps tapping out and you could do that.
Speaker 5: There is lots of options. I think it's just not someone.
Speaker 7: Say that, like the referee for this war game. So
that definitely has to be a jess A good car.
Speaker 5: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope they gotta have Becky and her do
a match on ro I'm telling you that'd be that'd
be fun, you know. Yeah. I hope Lash Legend gets
like a really cool spot. I hope they don't have
Nia Jacks anywhere near a j because yeah, sure Nia
is not as bad she used to be. But please
is AG's second match. I do not need her being like.
Speaker 7: You know, she's the same, she got to be dangerous.
Another she has the safest chair shots in the business.
Speaker 2: That's true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't worry, You're gonna you're that's gonna happen there.
So and then after this, obviously we got Sena Suray
my main event, which I really hope that they I
don't think they've not said this, but I hope they
do the same thing the men and the women too,
Like they have women like a Rhea Ripley or Eo
versus someone from NXT, right, so.
Speaker 1: They didn't specify men or women. And it sounds kind
of like from what Sina says, it'd be like that'd
be like the first hour of this show, and then
the second hour is like kind of his stuff, him and.
Speaker 2: Bigouth going forty five minutes. Hell yeah yeah, Well.
Speaker 7: Because he said, like Triple H pitched him that like
to do like a full two hour of him and
you didn't want that, which is like funny.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like that's what people.
Speaker 7: It's like the one thing that the Triple H pitched that,
like the fans have been saying like, no, it needs
to be like two hours of scene A scenea's like, no, I.
Speaker 1: Don't want to do that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but yeah, so I mean within saying that it
probably only be like the first hour, I mean, I
assume that's only like three or four matches probably at
the very most, So I think it'd.
Speaker 1: Probably be I mean, this is just skipping ahead to
that one. But I mean I assume there's going to
be a men at least one women's match.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Weird, it's all men, especially with it.
Speaker 7: Being like the nxt S focus and they always talk
about the women and NT and stuff.
Speaker 2: So the reason I was just asked that too because
that because I'm always used to old school. We had
the December pair review, we have nothing until Rumble then
after this, right, like paper say, yeah, but no, nothing
pay per view wise, right, So that's where I was
just trying to think, obviously they'll make those bigger, but yeah,
so that's where we'll be on the way to Rumble.
And that's where it's like because I was just thinking about, like, oh,
what's next for rio E like all these people, but
it's it's like, you don't have to do much because
it's like you got a fil TV, but rumble.
Speaker 1: Is stack like the first raw and smacked another year.
Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, that's true. So but yeah, speaking of
mister Johnstena, he's defending against Tom mcmasterio in a rematch.
I hate all of this. I was completely fine with,
like I knew what they were doing and I knew
how they got themselves as fucked because we talked about this.
We said, okay, Sina, the rumor was him and Dom
right and we were all, Okay, he's gonna be domp.
They're gonna do that Grand Slam thing, and I'm all
fine at that. I'm still mad there's no Spinner Icy belt,
but I've given up that's not happening because obviously he's
gonna lose it in two weeks. But we're always like, oh,
what's gonna happen because when he does this, he's gonna
have the title, and then he's gonna likely face goother
and like gooth the being icy Champion. That's kind of
an odd fit, right because he's evolved. Well they go, well, yeah,
it is an odd fit. So we're gonna run it
back and he's gonna lose not.
Speaker 1: Since Sina won the title.
Speaker 7: Even in all these tournament matches, at no point did
they ever mention that.
Speaker 1: It would be now for the icy title.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just.
Speaker 2: And I and don't w wrong. I really enjoyed the
first Dome and scene a match, so I'm excited to
see the seconde because I liked that it wasn't just
a pure spam like Finisher one, which is again him
and AG that was tons of fun too, right, But
I like that that's been a lot of the cadence
and seen his matches has been like he goes for
ten minutes, he hits an AA, and then we just
get into Finish Reville and it's like, oh man, especially
when he's hit like four AA's on random people.
Speaker 7: It's like it's like the first Domb match was kind
of like what I kind of expect, like the classic.
Speaker 1: Like modern scene of matches to be where he's like
dead on the outside like all the time and just
getting like beat up and then it just does the
five moves do it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a little short Yeah, you got the you
got the TV version because in the pay.
Speaker 5: Per view be like okay, one kickout, things gonna go.
But and I was fine. Then I thought that was
a really good match.
Speaker 2: Crowd was hot, they did it in it was in Boston, right,
so like perfect moment. But the fact that the two
follow ups have been we did a six man, which
I get it.
Speaker 5: They're his friends and it's just something. Maybe they won't
get hurt, but it's just.
Speaker 2: Like, just make him do one open challenge for the
old time sake and have anybody fun walk out there,
you know, especially when a boo and obviously just a
rumor he's on his podcast where it's like, oh, one
point they're talking about doing seen him Punk again?
Speaker 5: This is like an exhibition.
Speaker 2: It's like man like who again? It's like the rebailting,
Like who cares if Sina loses a champ as Punk loses?
Who cares? I do something fun and obviously the crowd
had a fun time, but just sucks that that's what
we got. And as much as I like that match,
I don't need to see like scene in Dom again
because it's just like, I don't know, like it was good,
but just like in the few mile matches we have,
that's that's what we get.
Speaker 5: Right, So yeah, Dom's gonna win here. I'm sure that.
Speaker 2: The judgment day will probably help him cheat. I'm sure
it's gonna be good enough. I just this, man, like,
when we get to the end of this, this is
like such the scene of thing has been such and
such a mess from the beginning, obviously, and I like
to the heel turn at the start. But just these
last few weeks, I thought, Okay, we're getting back on
track with the AJ thing and he's just wrestling random people.
He's getting with the Icy title, and again it just
feels like very easy, layup stuff to do. But yeah,
Sina taking a loss here, I imagine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 4: So I think that it's gonna be a fun match.
I think that Sena is going to really do what
he can to put over Dom and let him do
a lot of those heel tactics, just continue to build
that character, because you know, I was watching an interview
with Natalia where she was talking about Sina coming into
the Dungeon and how like, at this point in his
life and his career, he just wants everyone else.
Speaker 3: To succeed and for the business to succeed. So I
think he's going to.
Speaker 4: Do whatever he can to build up Dom's character going forward.
So I think Sina takes the loss Domri claims, and yes,
I do want the points from it, but also, you know,
I just think it's it's what's best for dog going forward,
and it allows Sina's finished last match to not have
to worry about being for a title or something like that,
because if his last match is four title, then that
to me choreographs how the match is gonna go. Let
whatever the last match be what it's gonna be. It
stands alone. That's jess Seena's last match.
Speaker 2: And that's how they want to be, right. They just
want to be seen as last match, not like and
also a winner of the IC title. You know, So yeah,
ant takes u s bub anything.
Speaker 1: Not really.
Speaker 7: I mean I'm still on the top of this is
given I had to like see his last match more
than the Survivor Series match, but I feel like, I mean,
my thought has.
Speaker 1: Been like Gunther's gonna beat him.
Speaker 7: But for some reason, I just have it in my
head like there's a chance that Sino wins.
Speaker 2: There's a chance, there's a chance, like they.
Speaker 7: Built they build up Gonther like he gets all these
wins and then in the end Sina wins just be
like he is the greatest of all time and like
just retires on that note. It's like a thought I'm thinking,
especially with him losing the I see title, I feel
because it's like, oh, if he won his last match,
he was still champ, like he just vacated and they
do another tournament for it or something. But I feel
like him losing the title here actually makes it a
higher chance of him winning his last match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think there's a chance. I think I'm
like a like a fifty one to forty nine for
Goonther win. I still think Gunther will win, but there's
always a chance. To day out, They're like, no, they're
gonna do it. What Tony did this sting? It's like, sorry,
you gotta win. And it's like, because I feel like
Sina would want to lose the last time, but maybe
maybe Triple H won't want that. Maybe Seene will just
go in business for himself. He just takes one shop
and lays down on that said, but no, he does.
Speaker 4: The old Jeff Jared and Hull Cogan thing where he
just comes out and walks down.
Speaker 7: Could you imagine did you see that business Mark Henry Pitch?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, he was like yeah, like.
Speaker 1: Goother should beat Cena and then before he leaves, Joe
Henderson walk out and lay down for Cina and Sina
pins him. So last name.
Speaker 2: Geek this guy out. Yeah, I know, I can't.
Speaker 5: I used to, don't wrong. I used to listen to
bus It Open.
Speaker 7: Listen to any of those anymore, just because like anytime
I look on Twitter and like, if I see a
headline that says either Tommy Dreamers says rays she says,
Mark Henry.
Speaker 1: Says, you know, even even if even you're getting those
those stuff, thunder Roads says yeah. Nick Nevin says any
of those I'm done with. Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, I used to listen to bust Open. But I
think now because they're well.
Speaker 2: They've done this before, but especially now because they're like
a twenty four to seven network where they're always having
shows on there. Sometimes I feel like people are just
saying hot take shit just for the sake, and I'm like,
we do where we do it as like a meme joke.
They'll like, bully y, so this is what you do,
and he'll go for an eighteen minute serious pitch about it.
It's like, what are you? Don't get me wrong, they
all have some good ideas. I think at times Bully
is actually has some good stuff. I think sometimes he
gets too much on like the heat spectrum.
Speaker 1: Good stuff on like the stuff he knows about.
Speaker 7: Like there's one clip that we tableying where he was now.
He was like, they're interviewing Eddie and Eddie was talking
about like kind of when we'll talk about this Eddie return.
Speaker 2: Bru Kingston.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Eddie Kingston.
Speaker 7: And he was saying like they were asking him like
like why wasn't like cutting promos and stuff like since
his return when he's like he's strong and I forget
what his reason was. It was like and Bully was like,
that's the reason, Like people want to see you, like
you're one of the best promos in the world, and
like if you're not doing that, then like what are
you doing?
Speaker 2: Basically, from from what I gather at Bolly, I think
the way he could work and I don't think the
reason he I don't think he has a job at
because it sounds like a lot of people just think
he's like an asshole, like and I legitally think he's
not like a like a real ass I think he's
just one of those people that's just naturally always is
like that type of vibe. But I think with Bully Ray,
he's better at, hey, this is the match, just what
we're doing. What would you change versus give us your
entire original pitch. I think when he does the original
pitch stuff, he starts going in a wild up. But
when I've listened to, like, oh I watched his finish
and they should an X, Y and Z, It's like, yeah,
that's good stuff, you know. Or And there's other times
too where he gets mad the rest for holding the
fucking ladders. I'm like, I don't care, man, Like, if
this rest doesn't want to break his neck, let them
hold the fucking ladder, like no, nobody, nobody cares. And
then I don't mind me.
Speaker 7: I want to just shoot falling off the ladder and
broke my back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like all right, which again I appreciate. Down the line,
he did this match where he went to the top
of the ladder and the rest are to hold the ladder,
and he got down and was like starting to beat
them up. He's like, don't hold my fucking ladder, and
he lost that match. So it's like that.
Speaker 5: With Tommy Dreamer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why when he did that, That's what
tipped me off, Like, Okay, sometimes he is just saying
shit just to like get a rise out of people
because he like made he made the butt of joke himself, right,
But yeah, no, Joe Henry just laying out to John
C and who. Yeah, I don't want to talk about
Joe Henry a fishy part of the w B slash
NXC roster. And we'll see what happens. Like I wonder,
do you either can do the whole thing where he's
like for a bit and when's the next sea title?
Then comes up? Like are they gonna do this?
Speaker 7: It's like no, I feel like like, well, I don't
really know what his next direction really is.
Speaker 2: I mean, he's thirty seven. Just get him the main roster, Like, yeah,
just have them because who's the chance it's Ricky says,
I don't know whoever, Like the heel up beats Ricky
same as Ricky, right, like get him up there. But
I get they want to keep enst going. But I
just feel like Joe Henry especially is very main roster
backstage segment coded like you can do a lot of
stuff with him, you know. So we'll see and then
finally we got the Men's War Game. We got the
All Star team, which I'm very happy. Did happen up
Cody Road see him funk, the USO's and Roman Reigns
versus bron Breaker, Bronson Reed, Logan Paul, True McIntyre and
Brock Lesnar. Don't get me wrong, I'd rather take Logan
Paul than Austin Theory. And that's saying a lot, because
at least Logan Paul is still good at promos and
his job, and Austin Theory, I think it's just very bland.
But I am curious, just little stuff because Austin and
new Brock was gonna be in here, but I will
be curious. Like Brock's definitely the last person in the
match for the the heel Man, and I'm curious how
he works. But I guarantee what's gonna happen is comes
in Rereck Shop all the day.
Speaker 7: I feel like the ending is like I feel like
either bron Breakers spearing Brocer Broc is f fiveing bron Breakers.
I don't know if that like cost them the match
or like I mean, either if they win or lose.
I feel like either those could happen, Like even if
like the Heels win, like one of those two could
happen to like set up a mania because I mean
that is the rumor match, and I feel like with
them being in this match, that might happen that match.
Speaker 2: Okay, I miss I missed that rumor. I didn't see
that was the plan, right who who was putting it
out there?
Speaker 1: I don't remember those already from like a few weeks before.
Speaker 2: I completely missed that one. Yeah I could, I can
see that or do you not do that till the
rumble though? Right? Do you have them good here and
then the Rumble turn where they're like an alliance and
then either Braun or which it works better if Braun
turns on him, right, he spears them throw him out
of the Rumble and then you make Brock a babyface
and w would fucking love to have Brock cheer in
the big people want them back because.
Speaker 7: Rumor from it was from two months ago from body.
Speaker 2: Slim Okay, so yeah, there's some creedence there, So yeah,
I could that definitely, that definitely works there. I do
think the in my opinion, the Heels should win this match.
They already did Punk and Roman last year, Like could
they work together than they won. Like, if they win,
it just kind of more of the same. Like to me,
I think you have Punk and Roman who are at odds.
You have Jay who's kind of like they go back
and forth like is he shitty? Is he not? I
feel like you have the Babyfaces have multiple characters that
are in turmoil where the bad guys are just we're bad, right,
we're on, we're working together and we're bad. So to me,
I think it would work better drama wise for them
to win, especially to me, and I'm long gaming it
because I want Punk and so to me, there's like
a good place you could start even if you do
punkin Cody, Like, there's multiple things you could branch off to,
or as Bubbs's stream match of the USO's rematch at WrestleMania,
Like you could set up three to four matches on
just a good guys side here. So to me, that's
what I'm kind of hoping is last year you saw
oh can they work together? And it worked. This year,
I hope it's oh can they work together? And it doesn't.
I would even I pitched this before, I would love
them to run back the Roman see them Punk thing
in the cage, but this time they legitimbly come to
blows like they cannot get along in there, and like
I just I just don't want them just to run
back a similar story of last year of you know,
can they work together? And oh yeah they can. And
I feel like there's especially with the vision too. Give
them the win, give Braun and Bron something like that
big win of beating these big baby faces. So that's
what I think I'm more to say about Cody, But
I'm I am going to actually predict that the Heels
are gonna win. That that's my opinion. So what do
you guys think?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that the Hills are winning this. I
would love to see Punk and Roaming come to blows.
They had that moment this past week where they all
came together and Roman Reign said, you know, you don't
have to worry about me stabbing you in the back,
I'll stab you right in the front and things like that.
So if they them come to blows, could be the
reason why the Babyfaces lose, and I would be completely
okay with that. I Mean, the easy option is having
one of the usso's take the pin. But yeah, I
think that that this would just be. I think overall
it's going to be a good match. I mean, with
everyone in here, you've got so many people who are
going to have incredible spots. I'm anxious to see what
both bron Breaker and Bronson Reid do in this match, because.
Speaker 2: Bronz would stay from no topic cage.
Speaker 1: Do you think he like, no, he does.
Speaker 2: Go, No, he he doesn't. Don't do it again, don't
ruin the vision anymore.
Speaker 4: And because he's changed the way that he's does the
tsunami since then he does it's more of the Snoop
dogg land on your feet first on his tsunamis, So
he can't do that coming up there. So it's he's
gonna limit it top rope.
Speaker 2: But yeah, have Logan do the fun because if he
gets hurt, it doesn't matter, he's gonna be gone to
the rumble anyways. Just have Logan.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let Logan go up there, have the phone up.
Speaker 2: There, do the g moment of the night.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 7: And yeah, and then I feel like I feel like
Bronson will little tease it but not do it or so.
Speaker 2: I agree they'll stop them. Yeah yeah, and.
Speaker 7: He's like it's like like like tan of has she
climbing the.
Speaker 2: No no no, yeah yeah, or even then we're telling
people eat the pin. I could easily see them have
Logan Paul Ben seeing Bunk because they're clearly setting up
for I feel like a Sertains movement or something of
punk defending against Logan. Right, They've got to tease us
a few times, so I could see something like that.
That's what I mean. I feel like if the baby
Faces just win, it's just the vision look dumb, like
Logan Paul shouldn't get a title shot and Brock doesn't
seem as dangerous right Like, it feels like it's just
it doesn't really make much story sense. Oh, if they
Faces win, Trew's gonna take the fucking pin watch. We're done.
It's over with, you know. So that's the thing where
it just doesn't make sense. But let's see. Uh oh
go ahead, I'll go that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, now, you guys lay it out.
Speaker 7: I do feel like Men's War Games definitely a heel win,
which also changes like I was thinking maybe.
Speaker 1: Heals when Women's but that one I'll see you guys
made sense.
Speaker 7: I don't think they want a j Lee losing like
her second match back, So I think, yeah, women's faces
when men heals.
Speaker 2: Win, Yeah, and it's just better story wise. Sets up
a lot of stuff, can says. Can we say the
only match we care about is the Men's War Game? No,
because aj Lee and Rie Ripple and Skyra and the
Women's War Game. And I'm actually like the Women's War
Game to me has made more sense story wise.
Speaker 5: Of the group's getting together.
Speaker 2: The Men's one feels the most force. It feels at
times like a w universe like Logan Paul Drew McIntyre
like it feels. And even then, like I know they've
they haven't really explained it because I watched the ending
of rubich about in the second but there's a moment
where Brock when he f five's coding and he goes
and he high fives Hayman. It's like they never explained
how like they got on the same page, like they
did a year long story of he went with Roman
and they turn on him and all this stuff. But
it's just like, nah, Brock and Paul they're just cool again,
you know, Like the Men's one feels very like we
need to do a war Games matches year or the
women's to me one, I like a lot of the
ladies in there, but it just feels more of a
natural story of fors, like, Okay, a bunch of people
are fighting, let's get together and I'll just screak in.
And I don't think Brock is gonna wrestle first, unless
you mean first of the night. Then if they were
to switch those, if they were to have if they
were to have like the Men's open, which I don't
think they would, I still think the Heels would win.
But even though that would be like a start on
a downer night, I just think they'd have to do
some sort of crazy spot. And like I said, like Logan, Paul,
get fuck get brockd in the Shooting Star Press, make
him bust it out again, he's gonna w You're gonna
You're gonna do it. But no, I don't think they're gonna.
I don't think they're gonna flip them, just because I
feel that's where the women I think have the more
natural story. Because the vision and there's two world champions
on the men's one, I think the men's one seems
bigger on paper.
Speaker 4: That's why I don't think they'll do that, So, yeah,
there there's so many storylines within the women's one where
you have the tag championship storyline, and even within the
Tag Championships, you've got Alexa Blisk facing off against Nia
Jacksos who used to have the best friends storyline.
Speaker 3: You have Becky and aj you know.
Speaker 2: Just Charlotte two they can do that too, right.
Speaker 4: There's just so many built in mini storylines in there
that it's it's just better. And then when it comes
to the Vision versus the baby Faces, it's all right,
let's take the big group of bad guys versus all
the baby faces that we can gather, and here's your
we need war against matches, kind of like how people
talk about Helen to sale. It should be a feud ender,
not a it's time for Helen to seal.
Speaker 2: And some of it's not their fault too, because like
if Seth was here, that would work better too, right
because with Sethi had the punk tie in in Roman,
So it's not one hundred percent their fault because they
lost the main piece of that story.
Speaker 4: But I do wish this was closer to Seth's return
because it would be hilarious for him to pull a
seam punk at the end of this and do the
walk out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, any and then they could have them on
the Men's like for Drama wor not. You though he'll
never team up Roman again, but but yeah, I wanted
to mention I'm hoping because I wasn't discord. I'm hoping
after this all, Ste's stuck on SmackDown. But man, they
need to give Cody like a good story or he
needs to lose it to Drew because luckily you've cut
that promo and SmackDown it was great. But I was
sitting there. I was watching because I did I was
going to tune up, but I was changing diapers. I'm like, okay,
I'll just keep this on. I'll see it's time, and
so I watched. Okay, they come one by one of
the heels and the baby faces and Cody gets his pop.
Speaker 5: But I realized, like when.
Speaker 2: Bro came down and him and Cody faced off, there
was like a huge reception, and then when Roman came down,
he got all that right, he got the hoop and everything.
So it's just like we've talked about before where there's
like rumored backstage politics between Roman and Cody, like trying
to be the top guy. And I'm saying as a
number one, Cody wants Cody Roads fanboy, Cody, you need
to watch yourself because Roman is he's gain on you.
Speaker 1: The supposed rumor is that Roman didn't want to do
the team with Cody unless they're fighting for the title.
That madia.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which I'm glad that Cody, even if he lied
about it or just said no, like you put them
on the team, he should because like.
Speaker 1: You save us from Roman.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the tribal hair, you know, but like
like that that's the thing to me. It's like, yeah,
Roman right now the reason he gets not the only reason,
but he can get these big pops and sustain them
be you know, kind of coming back up as the
main guys because he does take these breaks right where
That's where I get to Illinois, because like Cody's there
every week, and he's there every week on Smack Dam
where like they don't got much for him right now,
you know, we're Roman. He just gets to come back
and do his cool stuff. But I felt like the
past few times that's happened, Cody was still neck and
neckt but on Raw and it could just be that
crowds this.
Speaker 5: So I'm going to be monitoring the situation.
Speaker 2: But on raw it's like, oh man, it felt like
especially with the entrances, but it felt like Cody was
a step below. So I'm interesting to see how Survivor
series is and the interactions and the crowd reception, because
it does feel like Roman's getting that momentum to be like, you.
Speaker 5: Know, he wants to be QB wonny and he wants
to be the guy.
Speaker 2: Well, I think they'll probably do is just separate them
and have them on separate brands. But you know, that's
something that's going to be, like in real life, a
potential issue because even when like Rock and Austin are
great friends now, but that like like rest yeah, resume
fifteen to seventeen, they said, like back in those days
they didn't really get along because it was just that
it was business of like well, no, I want to
be on top, No, I want to be on top, right,
So I'm just saying, Cody, great job that promo on Friday.
You gotta keep bringing you got to keep get the
heat because I can feel that wave of momentum, and
for me, it's gonna be really interesting to see what
both their matches are because I actually think, like I
know that is a rumor that he wants to do
this j storyline, and I think if Roman does that
JAS storyline, that will cool Roman off because I don't
think that's gonna be a great story or a great match,
And if you give Punk and Cody.
Speaker 5: A match, then they're gonna steal that many. But I
don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm really hoping my pitch is saying, Man, I've been
pitching Ree and Stephanie. I really hope they just say
fuck it and they do Punk and Roman Punk story
you're laying down. We gave you the title Roman gets
to win and then Raw after you start to set
up Roman and bron because I just I just think
Roman and Punk has so much juice and last year
they barely tapped into it because they introduced Seth in
the storyline, so it was like kind of awkward. Obviously
it worked out, and that it didn't work out because
the injury, but because they were setting up the vision.
But like Roman and Punk, there's so much still meat
on the bone there. But I don't know if they will,
uh if they want to do that solely, So I
don't know. I'm interesting. The follow up of this match
and see what could happen. But because we're gonna close
to season, and like I said, Cody, I still know
if it's even then, like if it's Punk and he
was not Punk and Roman, like who would who would
Punk lose the title to?
Speaker 5: Until then when they fucking have.
Speaker 2: Him lose to Braun and then Braun and Braun is
like a WrestleMania title match, Like that sounds like a
nightmare for me, Like, I don't know, do they have
like Goonther get his win back? I think Punk because
did we do a cast since punkin won the title?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: I guess we were talking because that was like November first.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, it was close to the stream. So that's
the thing, like I because I know even then there
are people that and I didn't believe it, but people
after the fact did say, yeah, there were talks they
were thinking about going the punkin Cody the direction. I
was like, okay, I I never bought that, but I
guess so. But now obviously that could really change, and
I don't know, I don't know what would Like Punk's
held the title longer than I thought he ever would
to be honest, I always thought it would be like
the Shawn Michaels run, like he'd be losing it now,
but he's gonna have it at least, i'd say, until
the Rumble. But then Chicago's just around the corner, so
you not have them be champed at Chicago, Like I
don't know, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: They're like winning the Chamber in Chicago.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's true, but couldn't he also just be defending
the title the Chamber in Chicago? Right? Like what if
a Raw guy wins the Rumblin says hey, I'm coming
after the Raw title and then you haven't went it there?
Like now, I actually think there's a chance.
Speaker 1: Punk for like the Men's Rumble.
Speaker 5: It was Jay Lash with Gunther.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then there was Cody who was on Raw
when he won it, but he went for smack It
actually was on Raw both times, and he went for SmackDown.
Speaker 7: So I think there was something about many of the
serious like I think, oh no, it's that both the
Rumble winners were on night one and both the Chamber
winners were on night two.
Speaker 1: Is what I was thinking of.
Speaker 2: Okay, but yeah, what do you guys feel now? Because
now punk has it. We kind of thought that would
be the case, but you never know. JA, So they
like the strap them. I do agree with people that
it's gonna find like I do feel like the crowd
yeni is dying a bit down when they do those panouts.
Speaker 1: Now it's no like on SmackDown that was like, okay,
I did he smacked that a pop when he came out?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Was he Okay? So it's just maybe that rock crowd
just sucked then, because that was the same crowd I
saw when he came out, him and Jimmy and it
was like it was like fifty I also sixty percent
of the people doing it. But maybe that rock crowd
just sucked because even the reception for Cody. But yeah,
what do you guys see now that punks Champion, he's
keeping this the maanium? Is he losing along the way?
Like obviously, I don't think they're doing Cody and punk
for title for title. They're not doing that again. So
what are we thinking of a punk from the.
Speaker 4: I think he's keeping it till Mania and then losing
it there.
Speaker 2: Okay, keeping the manium?
Speaker 3: Yeah, who to that one? I'm not sure. I initially
I thought Gunther.
Speaker 2: Because the running back I would like him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, they just they fit so well together. And
then having Gunther win on the WrestleMania stage again, I
could definitely see them again.
Speaker 2: He needs well, he lost the Sami and then lost.
Speaker 4: He needs him, he needs him have I mean that
that title match on the WrestleMania stage. I'm sorry again,
I see that being a thing, so you know. I
plus they they love going through having him have a
strong win against somebody likes seeing Punk, I think would
just work for that.
Speaker 3: So that's what I think.
Speaker 4: I think that they're going to have him keep it
through the Chicago match because they they're building up this
Chicago return and things like that, and I think they
wanted to do that, and the fact that Chicago had
become the unofficial second home of a e W.
Speaker 3: I think pettally they they.
Speaker 4: Want to burn it down in Chicago and have that
they're doing.
Speaker 1: The United Center to which they never do they only did.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and that's a tough thing. There's a lot
of people where it's it's like the same thing. I'm
with us, bubs, Like, I would be completely fine because
I love Punk and Guth. I would be completely fine
with them running the back. I think it'd be good
for Gunther. He needs a big WrestleMania win. I don't
think it will have them, but then if that's case, Like
I still like, I don't know what they're doing with
Gunther at Mania because I would have thought they did
him in Brad.
Speaker 7: I feel like, I feel like we're getting like a
Gunther I stare down like in the Rumble, and they're
gonna do some matchups.
Speaker 2: It's a run back, I guess, Like, Yeah, it just
feel like such a big step down like that to
me should be like when il Ilia is going for
like the world title and goother is holding that like
for the the United States, like and then what like
goun Thro wins the United States title, then he gets
to be cut the fucking bad like foreign babyface. Yeah,
Like it's it's tough, and that's a good problem they
have is they have lots of top guys, right, so
when someone goes down injured, oh we could put that
person there, put that person. But it's just it's just tough.
And I like, I really don't hope they're doing Roman
and J. Like they're doing Roman J. That's that's real
bad in my opinion.
Speaker 4: They did like, here's something that would be funny and
they could use it to sell merch.
Speaker 3: Goonther wins.
Speaker 4: The US title brings back the UK title so that
they could sell those replica belts again.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not I'm not a pose. It'd be
kind of fun, you know, the old school. They bring
it back to the European title.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm not gonna lie I that UK title belt.
I used to love the look of that and I
was like, it's an awesome so but I could see
him bringing that back after winning the US title.
Speaker 2: Okay, I suppose you got what's your prediction for I
literally have I guess I didn't say, well, I said
GUO through Punk with time now, because I say I
I really have nothing. I'm gonna just hail married and
I'm gonna say that they're gonna pivot to Roman and Punk.
I actually don't, but I just don't have any other
route they could go. So that's what I'm gonna say
that they're gonna wake up and be like, you know,
let's just do this and Punk will agree to do business.
But what's your prediction Gun through? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, Roman Punk is definitely possible.
Speaker 7: I'm kind of still on the Punk and Cody dream,
but I do think it kind of be weird. I mean,
I don't know, because it'd be weird to do like,
let's say, like he loses it like at the Rumble
and then like wins Shaver to go for like the
other title for like you'd.
Speaker 2: Want to go for the one you lost when you
like you want to go especially if it's a heel,
like unless it's the baby Faces like a respect thing,
It's like you would go for the heel, right, So
that's why I could it be Cody that loses the title,
but same thing, why would he go for Punk's world title?
Like It's That's why I legitmately think those plans are
off this year because I feel like it's an awkward
way to get to Punk and Cody. Now now I
feel like next year or whenever I think, or even
a Summer Slam, they're definitely gonna do it. But now
I just like with this year, I'm like, I even
be fine Guther and Cody to be honest, because like
I've liked that match they did that Rumble Stare down,
like have gootherro win the Rumble and have goother and
Cody and just build them and like he could beat
Sina and then win the Rumble and go to Cody.
You could believe you could beat Cody at Mania, you.
Speaker 7: Know, So, yeah, I have something for for Guther and
not just oh yeah, when I was preaking, like and
this is like a few podcasts or you're like, I
forget what we were fantasy booking about. Long yeah, something
like that where we were talking about Jericho plans at.
Speaker 1: Mania was a good third match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually think.
Speaker 7: My my two predictions that I had for that one
that were both like sort of me but sort of
ones I think could actually happen. Both actually do have
a chance of happening, one of which was Jericho versus
versus Gunther and they do like they just try to
have a good match to for Jeredo to say.
Speaker 1: Look I can I can still.
Speaker 7: And then my other, my other pick that said I
could see happening is he tries to find a young
guy to help and put over, and my put over
it just means beeding them, which would be Jericho versus
Dom for the Icy title.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, this is like the greatest.
Speaker 1: Icy Champion of all time, so I do that more.
Speaker 2: Than the Guther one. I think Gunther he would go like,
I'm not doing that. I think for Mania might put
his foot down I'm not doing because they we have
heard of times where Goo Thro was like because apparently
he didn't want to lose to Chad Gable, like, I'm
not doing that. So I think with Jericho he would
for Raw or Saturdays may have been sure. WrestleMania, I
don't know about that, but yeah, I guess we'll have
to see and like, do we have anything non or
just to w be related to talk about before we
go to full gear here, I got a perfect transition,
but I'm not gonna use it till I know we're
in the clear.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Okay, it comes back up, will circle back, but you know,
just to do because just on Instagram, Bailey has posted
this photo of her and Christatlander together listen to my
pitch awesome because she did the Baile belly but you
know good way transition.
Speaker 7: That On Twitter also she posted like like a photo
her stuff like right as the move happened.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't miss that, you know, Pam, just do it.
Just take the chance, Just come on over come out
you Mercedes, and you get a proper women's tag title.
Run lots of fun stuff we could do over here.
You're doing nothing there, like come on, just come over.
But last night was gear. I saw every match but
the women's like multi like whatever, cause last night we
were filming a geek first I had to watch half
last night the backupf and then this morning I didn't
have time to watch like the four teams winning together,
so I don't know what happened there, but watch the
rest of the car there. And they also did the
full thing again where they had like the pre show match,
like go over. It's like you can do that again,
but don't do that right after you just did it,
like it feels.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not I'm not a fan of doing that
running that back to back. Yeah, one offs here and there,
maybe doing it once a year, okay, but let's not
have that be the thing of oh you have to
tune in because it's gonna bleed up. No, can we
just I miss the full on start of a pay
per view, just having the proportions, having the promo, all
that other things and then going into your big match,
like unless that leadoff match is something that is a
good match that you think to yourself, man, why isn't
this on the main show and then it bleeds over?
Speaker 3: Okay, but just every single time.
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, and the FTR one to me made sense
of one. They're kind of setting up FTR to be
the TACH Champions, which was talk about, so it's okay,
get them on the main car technically, and to me
that was just fun where now if you do it,
you start to getting like, Okay, I'm worried that's gonna
be tough about like TK things they got. He likes
to spam and I'm worre that's gonna be something now, like, oh,
we gotta make sure because I can see the pitch
of Oh people might buy it to see the end result,
but I don't think they've seen the end result of
like the CML six man tag like and the difference
too the FTR versus Jetsby that was for nothing, but
the match was great, so it was like really it
was like, okay, I do want to finish.
Speaker 5: This for the CML, Like yeah, it was final, but uh,
Kevin is right.
Speaker 2: If you're a vampire like drink blood, last night was
for you and that coz in like actually one of
my cons of this where I thought this was a
good show, I would have to look. I think this
was maybe for me, the weakest aw show of the year.
And it's not some matches I don't think delivered, but
also is just the pacing of them. And I told
them this word where to have like two like pretty
much no DQ matches back to back and then the
steelcage and all of them were blood like. It felt
very same sy near the end, like to me, you
have to sprinkle that out.
Speaker 5: It's what we've talked about before.
Speaker 2: And just when you're watching aesthetical lies if you're doing
these long shows and you're not in a specific territory,
do the fucking the afternoon pair views, because this morning
I watched Joe or Sorry, I watched Darby and Pak
and I watched FTR versus Bendito. The crowd for those
matches super hot. They're super into it. All the near falls,
the last three matches event you could think they're not
like any main event matches all it is very quiet.
Of course there's some big spots they still cheer and what,
but it's like throughout it takes a while. So that
really felt it, but I just felt the pacing was
like a little bit off of the show. So I
still had a good time, but I think it just
there was, like I said, the pacing, the booking of it,
the match order, and just certain things like we told
about before, don't have to be Like I like seeing
all the women, but I'd rather just let them do
their semi finals on this match kick a couple of
the match, you know, like instead of.
Speaker 1: Doing like the four way Women's tag, like you could have.
Speaker 7: Just done like one of those semi finals matches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Like to me, it's just there's this card
and things about it. You could just recycle or re order,
change a few things and the show would be better overall.
So I still had a good time with it, but
I think it was one of their weaker ones where
I think has been unfortunate because I do think that
like AWTV is like there, it's not that they're they're
not directions right now, they're just stuck in a lot
of the similar storylines that have been for a while.
I'm hoping with the Elite and with Swerve back, which
we'll talk about, I'm hoping we're kinda gonna get some
new juice and some new directions, but then you still
have on this card like Ricochet and Bobby Lashley fighting again,
so it's like, fuck, like are we doing?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 5: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm for a lot of this card and the results.
I have a wait and see attitude. But the show itself,
I thought was a good show, not a great show.
But David, what do you think of a full gear?
Speaker 3: I think the same thing.
Speaker 4: I think it started off strong, Honestly, the opening match
was my favorite of the matches, and I think a
lot of that has to do with As the final
matches got going, with all the blood, with everything else,
it started to feel very repetitive.
Speaker 3: When I was watching.
Speaker 4: The women's match with all four teams, I thought to
myself that, and I started thinking about the tag team
ladder match that they had during the pandemic where everyone
was injured so they had one person from each team
compete for the titles. I was thinking, it was like, man,
I would rather they have done this one person from
each team. They do a fatal four way that way,
and then whoever wins, whoever wins that their team gets
to pick the stipulation.
Speaker 2: In their corner too, and you have like brawl on
the outside, like you get them all screen time too,
you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know everyone still gets shine because you know
it's a fatal four way, so there's no dqs. You
can have the partners interfere here and there, but it
just it mixes it up a little bit because I
don't think a full on eight man tag was really
what was needed. So and there was just some other
nitpicky item that I was just like, okay, and the
ending felt very flat. There were times when I felt
like the crowd was just completely dead during uh some
of samo Joe's spots, and I felt bad for him
because I was like, all right, he's doing his.
Speaker 2: Best to die. He's bleeding the whole court of blood
and no one's reacting at all. Like that's one of
the biggest blade jobs I've seen in this maybe ever,
but definitely this decade, or it's.
Speaker 4: Up there with the Eddie Guerrero JBL match, like it
is up there.
Speaker 2: When he held his title up, he like the bloods out.
He's multiple time, it's not like he's multi and this
is at the end of the match. He got busted
open maybe two minutes endued or something. Like he's literally
splitting blood out. Okay minutes, He's literally like you splin
blood and even I love there's a shot when Swerve
came out, like it looked like Joe wasn't paying attention
to all because he like he did. He's like, oh
my god, Like he was just like I'm fucking bleeding
so much and he's like trying to sell this return.
He's like, I just want to get to the back,
but he can't use the towel because he wants to
look cool, so he's just like, oh my god, like
what's happening.
Speaker 4: I felt bad for one of the members of the
Ops Dojo because he's wearing a pair of all white
Air Forces and he gets knocked out and you can
just see the bottom of him a red They are
just covered in blood.
Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, dude, you're not getting but he took
his bump and he got up. He was covered in blood.
Speaker 7: He looked like, yeah, there's like one of the corners
they were fighting him, like the ropes like near the
rig post were like complete.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, well, and that's what I know was first
because like it was an awkward shot where Joe was
in the corner and he's doing the boots and stuff
and you can tell he's bleeding, but what when he
got up and that bottom turn buckle was just covered like,
oh my god, he's got a gusher there. And that's
where it's like, I'm not some guy from the like
a Bolli Ray podcaster. It's just like people bleed too much.
But like that was the problem with Kyle Riley and
Moxley doing that, and then Fletcher and Brisco not only
in the same night but doing it so close. It
almost like lost the effect for people. But imagine last
night no one bled and then that was it. It
would have like, really it still felt like that, but
it really would have had like a big.
Speaker 7: Revolution when like Tony did like the crazy Blade job.
I'm trying to think if anyone on that show before
that match was.
Speaker 1: Like really bleeding, I can't really that much.
Speaker 5: I don't think so, but match hard, but yeah.
Speaker 7: Because I remember people saying like that was a really
good blade on like one people remember, and I don't
think so. I mean maybe if they did, they weren't that.
Speaker 2: Much or I don't think so, because here the matches
before it was hangman MGF.
Speaker 5: That was just like a like a wrestling one.
Speaker 2: And then it was Mercedes versus Momo Want Nabby Swore
versus Ricochet, and then o'ct versus Brody and Hurt Syndicate
versus the Outrunners, which are definitely not have any Yeah,
and that's why and that's why the Joe thing would
have it still hit because the amount he was bleeding.
But if they and even if you want to have
another blood match, then put Kyle on uh marks first
or something, yeah, like and I and even then Kyle won,
But so it's like a babyface wins. It's a like
it was. That's where stuff like the Joe thing, it's
just to kind of robbed him with the crowd and
they robbed him with the booking of when the match was.
Speaker 4: So Yeah, after the Joe O'Riley won, I felt like
people were just kind of burnt out. And then again
you get to that final match and it's there were
moments and other than some people like I was confused,
was there something special going on that Hangman came out
to the song from Red Dead Redemption and had I
don't know, it was just weird. I thought that that
was like the beginning of a promo package, like how
they had the girl who whistled him out one time,
or how they've had other times where you know, he
does something and then it gets to his music.
Speaker 3: I'm like, he just changed back.
Speaker 4: To his his baby music, and now you have him
coming out to the music from Red Dead.
Speaker 3: I'm like, Okay, is it?
Speaker 4: Because I was like, is it because Will Ospbrey's not
on the show, so you need it somebody to have
some type of tie in.
Speaker 2: I did like the stage though, the stage because when
he came out, it was like a triangle stage and
when he walked I did actually.
Speaker 1: Like the kid, was there any major like d C Like.
Speaker 4: Meghan Bain and Penelope did Harley and Poison Ivy.
Speaker 5: They've done that before, they did the Halloween episode.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like, yeah, but.
Speaker 4: They've been they've been having the DC sponsorship across the
side rails for the last couple of weeks. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you're right, because I remember like they were specifically
like every time like Shrevan you would like read the
it was like full gear presented by d C. Like
it was like and like the log like on the
stage it had like the big DC logo and everything.
Speaker 1: So I was just surprised, like.
Speaker 4: From anything nothing still and Ricochet has that that night gear,
like there were so many.
Speaker 1: Options to use because that gear.
Speaker 2: I don't like that gear, but bust out for the
show though, you know at the DC show, like oh
I got him win the title, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, DC Superheroes just not that gear.
Speaker 2: What did you think the show? I supposed before we
go match by match here.
Speaker 1: Like, like I said, I didn't see all of that.
I really tuned in for like the last half, so
it was it was more noticeable, well for me, I
guess the crowd.
Speaker 7: I guess I came into it with like not much,
but I mean from the matches I did see, I
enjoyed it, and yeah, I tuned in for the ones
I was really most interesting. So we'll talk about that
once we get to to talk about the matches one
by one.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Okay, So then we started.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, no, I was just gonna say from what
I saw, good show and I saw people liking it.
Besides really the the ending of the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get there. We started with a pawk in
Darby who Park because just fucking taking like the incredible
fulk syndrome. He is massive and I even said, because
I haven't seen himrestle, I'm like, I wonder if he
can still do all his flips and stuff. He's still moving,
still doing it. It's just this guy is a freaking nature.
But uh right, like right, I really liked this match.
I thought it was great. I think Darby is his
best when either he's in weapons.
Speaker 5: Or he's vers in a really big dude.
Speaker 2: Go watch him and Joe on dynamite one year. That
was incredible. And now Pak is a big dude, even
though he's like a cruiser, Like wait, he's like a
big dude now. The only thing I would change is
I don't think he needed any interference to beat Darby.
He's recovering from burns. Great spot where he takes off
the bandages, and I think there were like some gimmicked
fake like welts, but they had welts on Darby's arm
and he starts to snake bite it. It's like, oh
that like they made Pauk so evil, And I was like,
you don't need like, it's fine with Darby loses because
he's recovering from second degree burns here. But of course
I sposed boy Yuda came in interfere and then he'd
used the bat. But I love the entrance. I love
Darby in the hospital. I love when he came down
with the big jack covering like his burns and everything
like very good. Like h Darby is obviously like I'm
glad they didn't do it all in but Darby is
given that energy like you could strap him with the
world title soon. I think they're gonna in the next
year or so. I guess that depends on Osprey, but
even then you can give him mcfully run. But I've
had this thing too, like.
Speaker 7: That Hangman rain was just to give it to the
fans before they get back to the real.
Speaker 2: Pretty much pretty much maybe, but I don't know which
way they're gonna go, if they're gonna with Moxley, because
we all know we'll get there. Mox's can kicked out
very soon. He's tapped up for the third time in
a month. And even then, like I did, yeah, and
even on the in the video win or on the
pair of you Lesa, when Moxley left to the crowd,
they just had the shot of Claudio and Garcias staring
at each other for like ten seconds and was like, Okay,
they're gonna moff him out. But my question is just
like who's the leader? And I think they're gonna give
it to Claudio, but like, I would prefer Pak to
be honest, and I think he's more vicious and he's
a better promo than Claudio. Decide four rings, one corner.
Uh you've seen that pipe on before? Yeah, it was
the worst you could tell there. Give him a shot
like go say what you want and he flubbed his
lines and as a Claudio like big Homer versus, I
was like, oh no, you lost, and then he jobbed
out the bad news Barrett. But I kind of would
prefer Pauk to be the leader. They might do a leader,
they might just do a group thing. Fuck, they may
make Marina the leader, which would be cool because she's
been also like doing great stuff lately too. But I
I it wasn't my favorite match, David, but I think
it was my second favorite. I love I loved this
one all. It was a good real opener for the
pay or the pay per view.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I like some spots in here, like the
Darby dropkick to the outside to this set.
Speaker 2: All bad bump for everybody, Bad bump for everybody in
a good way, but like Darby's just landing on his
ass in the concrete Bowk's taking all the momentum.
Speaker 5: Thank god, he's jacked to the gills, but like, oh my.
Speaker 4: God, the bron Breaker style Larry from Pop when he's
just he's back and forth and it just hits with
that lariat man and then that shot with the bat
at the end. I mean, he took Darby's head off
with that, and I was just like, yeah, this was
pretty good. So I like the match overall, and I
think again, the fact that it wasn't all blood, like
they just went out there and just went for it
is what solidifies it as my favorite of the night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Paul came off as a nasty heel and there
there was no blood. He just came off as like
a big bully and he was just like, I'm gonna
hurt this guy before I beat him, and he did. Also,
he's still cheap, but like that's what it felt like
at times. Didn't feel like he was trying to win
the match, just like I'm going to injure this guy
more and he didn't need blood. It was now a
couple of bandages got the job. Done.
Speaker 4: You know, I could have gone without the wheeler you
to spot. I could go without Wheeler you to period.
Speaker 2: But it just, oh my god, I'll defend him a little,
not today, but a little.
Speaker 4: He's just the snipe guy who runs in there and
just looks like a weasel, and that's his role now.
Speaker 3: But of that, no, they had They.
Speaker 4: Had a great match with a lot of great spots
and like they truly truly went for it.
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, cool, David did anything
on the four way tag match with the women, we
didn't see it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, So I will say this, the entrances really
they let some PAP per views they don't and some
shows with WW they don't let the entrances really breathe
like they rush, and they may let like one Insurance
really shine, but they don't let all of them. For this,
I was glad that they let all these participants have
their entrances and have their fun with it. Every woman
in this did get a chance to shine. But like
I said, I wish it would have just been one
from each team with then you could have had your
partner out there, but just one for each team. Fatal
four way to see who gets hit.
Speaker 3: I Now.
Speaker 4: My favorite spot though, was Megan Bank does this h
pressing drop and she drops her opponent onto Marina who's
lying on the ground waiting to receive, and drops her
into a sleeper And I was like that was pretty dope.
Speaker 3: But th that was just like all right, the women
got their shine.
Speaker 4: Tony Storm wins, cool match, but nothing to really write
home about.
Speaker 3: And that is it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Megan Main, they got something special. I can't
remember when her contract I know she's done recently, but
they gotta be careful with her.
Speaker 7: They with her is like she was signed for like
a full year nothing. They didn't use her at all,
So I don't really know when her contract is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they gotta be careful.
Speaker 2: I just feel like w W would snipe that one
because she she's got a lot of time. I actually
have my prediction. I feel like she's gonna beat Chris
for the world title. I think that's whenever they do that.
I think that's the message here and her Marina, like
I don't want Panela before to be out this because
she got injured. That sucks. She should have been there,
But meya May Marina have actually worked quite well together
as a team and even Arena. She's like really finally
coming into her own here, because for a while she
was i'll say very like she was fine, but like
and even that.
Speaker 5: It's just the character amount.
Speaker 2: But uh, after that, we had my favorite match and
I f TR and I'm a mark for my loser's broddo.
Tony Kahan, you bastard. You better. It's better not be
the end of it. It's better not be like, oh
that was fun, and we never return this again. I
still will stand by. I don't think Edge and Christian
and FTR need the titles they pile drove Edge's wife.
They don't also need We'll come for you and those
tech titles like I know what I can hear the
promo ready like and you know how can hurts you
the most is by taking those like I know what
they're gonna do. Please don't don't put them in that
I know they're gonna I thought about the last night.
I was like, please don't do them in TLC. Don't
make them because Edge is gonna go fucking crazy and
he's gonna do something you should God, don't he broke
his It's like the Bronson Reid thing. Don't do it again.
But this match for me was great. I love Broddo
so much. They like like that's the Awards tag team
we are, like you fucking know, I'm picking, Like the
last night was so good, the drama, the attention, they're
combo moves like that. I just love them so much.
In FTR when they're put in the position where they
you know, they're not with the out runners, they're just
doing some comedy stuff, like they are probably still the
best tag I'll say they're the best tag team of
like the last decade. They are up there with the
great So this was fantastic. They already had a really
good match before, but they got longer time here and
uh yeah, I hope there's a history where edgend Christian
beat FTR and Brodio beat edgend Christian, Like I do
not want this to be done. I feel like, for
the first time since Alister Black or Malcoli Black LEFTR,
like like Brodie Kings felt like a like important to
the show, not just like, oh, he's really dangerous and
then they jobs to every fucking guy on the roster
and Bandido. It's great they's las champion, but not enough
people are watching Orah to like.
Speaker 1: Know that run.
Speaker 7: I feel like out the Irish title and like if
they do break up, Brodito like he needs to be
going for like the world.
Speaker 2: Yes, like I agree, I rh is like an anchor
to these people. But yeah, that that was my match.
Then I was brotein FTR.
Speaker 5: I just love this.
Speaker 2: And I'm gonna be very sad if like next week
on Dynamite Bendino eats like a fucking crow clothes on
from Brodie King and they're doing like Brody King versus
Bandio for RHL. I could see them doing that. I
really don't want them to. Like the juice is not there.
You get one match cool, the juices in make Brotito
long term tag team. They can do single stuff. But
uh no, I thought this was great. But yeah, I
guess we're maybe at world's end. I guess FDR edging
Christian titles and and I get it. You want them
to have the lineage. I'm not opposed them.
Speaker 1: That's the next show in the in Canada, they'll do it.
Speaker 2: Can't do in Toronto. I guess you can't do it.
You can't do it there, But uh yeah, Dave, what
do you think of this one?
Speaker 3: I thought it was a good match.
Speaker 4: I really liked Stokeley's entrance beforehand, with a nod to
the movie Belly with the entrance, and I was like, okay,
But then Jeff for FTR to come out like normal,
I thought it's gonna be a full of interest.
Speaker 3: No, it was just a moment for Stokely to shine, which.
Speaker 2: I see in Stoked.
Speaker 5: Did you see when Sookely didn't catch Brody too?
Speaker 2: That was yeah, real bad.
Speaker 5: There's a lot of that last.
Speaker 2: Night where it's he's doing a spot where Cash is
on ars, Dax's outside, Brody is gonna do the suicide dive.
So the spot is sok is gonna push Dak, so
he takes the hit. He pushed him so much that
when Brody went it was just nothing but floor. He's
sold like he hit him, but he like he like over.
He took one too many steps and poor Brody just
landed right on the fucking congrete And I was like,
oh my god, I think, and so I don't forget
fucking Lucasaurs did that the Nick Jackson later on the
night where Nick Jackson did like the flip.
Speaker 7: Who were at the show, I saw multiple people saying
like the crowd was already like getting tired, but like
Nick Jackson, like that bump was like it like silence crowd.
Speaker 2: All he looked bad, but all what happens And I
think like just slipped getting up fine.
Speaker 7: But like I saw from multiple people like who tweeted
like like that was like the moment that like got
people like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And you can tell for a second you
look at his face, he's a little pissed. It's like
he's doing this flip and what's there to catch him?
And Kenny broke character like you can see he may
look like he's tongue lutrasaurus, but he was definitely looking
at Nick like you are you good? Like there's two
times last night where the big like these people are
doing big flips or a big guy and they're just
getting drap. They're getting the Tiffany Stratton this thing. I'm like,
oh my god.
Speaker 4: I felt so bad for Brody, But I did like
the finishing sequence to this, and I love the moment
with Brotito where he's just facing off and he's staggering,
but he gets up and he does the finger guns. Anyway,
I was just like, all right, So it's it was
good shine for.
Speaker 3: Them even in losing.
Speaker 4: You know, I'm anxious to see where they if they
continued the Brodido paths, if they both go on to
you know, have a singles run but still look good
because like I said, even though they the championships, they
looked amazing in this match.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't. Like I said, they've they found lightning
in a bottle here, so just just keep it up,
keep doing it so we'll see next we have. And
this was a match we had the Gauntlet, we had
Ricochet winning here the national Championship. I'm all negative on
this one for the most part because I saw on
Twitter loss people like this is the best one. I
cannot be on that thing. I did not like the
opening of Shelton and Bobby just like like pretending to
chain wrestle for two until someone came in. I hate
Ricochet as a winner for what they did doing with
it lately because I said this before. They made him
look like an idiot. But then they did this like
psychle loser gimmick. That was cool. But then this week
they had Bobby literally just like local town job or
him in a match like Ricochet got a few things
of offense and something that was because people were interfering form.
So for me, this title like right off the bat,
I don't care about it because you just had this
guy who just got jobbed out like three days four
days ago with the title. Maybe if they find a
way to do like really old school and now he
can't do like old school Rickclairer because of the idea is, oh,
he's a he always finds a way to win. But
it's like Rick could still like wrestle, where like Rico
Ricochet couldn't this week. So I get like, in a
couple of months, they'll forget that and Ricochet will be
putting on four Stars and flipping around. I have no
problem with him as wrestler, but I hated just most
about this. I think the match was like fun enough,
Gallin's are always fun, but I hated a lot of
the decision making in this, and Ricochet was it was
not the time. But I think they're just roaring him
because he's taken a lot of big time losses since
he's been here.
Speaker 7: So there was a rumor that he was supposedly gonna
win the T and T title earlier this year, and
like plans changed.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, this I have in my notes for
this match set. It was a wasted opportunity to start
off with Bobby and Shelton because I feel like they
could have had more wrestling moments. They locked up a
little bit some freestyle wrestling, then they would back up
and it was just like a real waste of time. Now,
it was a funny spot with Ricochet when he had
the mic and he was driving into MVP. He's like,
you see that, Aha, that's five big booms right there,
So that's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be defending that title again soon. It's fucking aj
boom or whatever he has to me laughed.
Speaker 4: The attempted suicide dive to the outside where he gets
upper cut it by Claudio, I was like, God damn,
But I don't think that for this being the first
time that this belt is being presented to somebody, having
it in this style of match, I don't think was
the best style to annoy somebody. Now, if there was
a situation where someone got injured and we had a
vacated championship, or you were doing this for the right
to face off for the inaugural championship, okay, but for
this to be the crowning moment and then have it
as a just slide and roll up steal.
Speaker 3: The match type deal. I don't know. I really didn't
fit for me.
Speaker 7: I will say another spot I really liked in this
match was when the Death Riders were doing like their
train of upper cuts in the corner and he just.
Speaker 1: Like ran in and joined them. I thought that was
really funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like the look at the title too. I
like the Classic like very NWA eighty.
Speaker 7: Then it's just like the Peoples. It is just the
NWA one with aw.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I like that. We had Kyle Riley versus
John Moxley. John Mosley tapped again. Thought this was good,
but again I would have had this somewhere else or
just a straight match because we're getting weapons and blood later. Uh,
it just became a fork match pretty much. And uh
yeah it was. This match was good, but I thought
it was going to be better. But I will say
that I appreciate that Kyle Riley has his big performance
and blood and guts. He gets to win there, he
gets to win here. This is I think a bad
TK trait sometimes they are. Now, okay, follow up, put
Kyle Riley in the Cornell Classic. Have him get some
actual wins against big people and not just have this.
Oh yeah, I pushed him for a month and I
love Kyle.
Speaker 1: Riley, know what it was that there? I think I'm depressor.
Speaker 7: Tony said that Kyle was like injured and not gonna
be in the sea too fucking grist.
Speaker 2: I guess again. I won't blame them there because if
he's injured, then that happens. But that sucks because it
feels like Kyle Riley since he's been in the AW
been super lost. It felt like when they did the
Undisputed era that was gonna be the moment where all
we can get them back, like keat them up that
didn't really work and Anticles injured, so it felt like
for the first time ever he finally was gonna momentum.
Speaker 5: So that really sucks.
Speaker 2: But how this was like like they got good like
you know, classic Moxley beat him up type of thing.
This was more about we need Moxley to lose again.
And I thought there's a great shot when he tapped out.
They just zoomed out and you can see Marina on
the outside just looking so disappointed by him, Like I
think they're doing this stuff, the story stuff well, I'll say,
maybe he didn't need to need to be as long either,
there's twenty minutes, let them have fifteen. Like I, I
appreciate it for the storytelling aspect of where we're going.
Speaker 5: Just didn't need the blood. Didn't mean how long, just
that's it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I had some of the same notes.
Speaker 4: My favorite spot was the arm in the chair spot
because that looked just amazing, like, Okay, you guys are
really going for it.
Speaker 3: My biggest complaint was.
Speaker 4: That for the card overall, three of the final four
matches are all bloody matches, and I'm like, again, we
don't need it over you so often it takes away
from it. And then yeah, Mak's tapping again, Marina looking
just disheveled, and then when she goes to help him
walk out, she's given him just like the biggest side.
I like, you could tell she she's just frustrated. I
did wonder that if because he gave him kind of
the nod and then he went to go walk out
if maybe you know, they signaled that Kyle was injured,
so they called in audible to have them go back
in and beat them up some more to take him
out since he was injured. You know it was that way,
ye acause yeah, it was just it was weird the
way that it happened with all right, he's doing his celebration,
Moxy's walking away, then all of a sudden they just changing.
Speaker 3: Okay, everyone rush it out now.
Speaker 2: Especially because the idea is gonna be like they're gonna
take on Maxley is gonna come back as a baby right,
so it would make more sense for him to be like, oh,
you beat me and show some respect, versus you beat
me and then like beat him up again like we're
supposed to be. We're in the middle of turning. You
have a big dog, like, you don't need to be
doing heel stuff unless they're gonna make like the Death
Riders of baby Face with Oxley heel, which I don't
think they're gonna do. I think Moxley will like when
he comes back, actually be fired up as a baby Face,
and crowd will want to be cheering him again. But uh, yeah,
it was a little a little odd. So I suppose
you've seen this or is this when you start taking
over when you saw when you.
Speaker 1: Start watching like well, I watched like I watched the Casino.
Speaker 7: Gauntlet and then I watched, uh, Mercedes and Chris and
then the main event.
Speaker 2: Okay, perfect, So we'll break down these other two. Brisken
Fletcher really good, like good match, good artedy, match gain
twenty five minutes didn't need to be as long.
Speaker 1: I saw some good clips here.
Speaker 2: Yeah it's good again. I don't know if it need
to be twenty five minutes. I think for me it
was just also just I was checked out of the winner.
I did not think Fletcher needed to lose the title,
and then I also didn't.
Speaker 5: Think Briscoe needed to be in the group.
Speaker 2: So just like by the concept of this match, I
was just not into it. But yeah, these guys have
good chemistry. Now I hope to not see them wrestle
far a bit. I want them to take a break.
I really don't want them run back in the Classic,
which they fucking TK could like, oh it's Briscoe and
Fletcher seven, like that's where some of this kind of started.
But uh, yeah, really good match. But I would have
also short in this a little bit too, and you know,
good for Mark gets to win. I just didn't think
Kyle needed the lost. But at the same time, I
guess if he's going in the Classic. It avoids him
having to lose while champ because that's always kind of
an awkward thing. And maybe they're gonna start uh yes,
and maybe they're gonna start upgrading to be more permanent,
semi full time and let's get that fucking Fletcher Omega
one on one match, you know.
Speaker 4: So Yeah, I felt like this could have been cut
in half time wise, I felt like it did drag
a little bit too long. I pretty much knew the
minute they put the stipulation on it how it was
going to end. And honestly the best part of this
entire match was the fact that they used a modified
version of Vegeta's speech from the Tournament of Power on
Kyle Fletcher's entrance, and that popped me. Outside of that,
I was like, hey, that's vegeta speech. Outside of that,
I was just like this, it felt like it just
went on way too much for something that we kind
of knew the outcome for.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of knowing the outcome, the million Dollar Trios match,
you had the Young Bucks and Jaws, Alexander versus Kenny
Omega and Jurassic Express Express not expression. I was happy
to see Omega and Alexander get some time because I
know Alexander that's like his like dream one on one match,
so just give it to him. I think it's like
this was a fun match. I think they were trying
to get them to wake up the crowd. But like
as I've said, when some spots happened, it like did
the opposite. But I thought they're like, oh, they'll flip
around and do some stuff. But I think for me
it's we talk about this a lot on the discord,
and it just sounds like from multiple people, it sounds
like Omega just sounds like Kenny either has a lack
of confidence in himself as far as the health wise,
or he is just unhealthy. We're not getting Kenny doing
solo so with him and Andrali that was making it
happened Alexander Fletcher like they set all the stuff up
and it seems like it's just for the six men.
I said this in the discord, so I'm repeating myself there.
But if he is just doing Trio's match for the
like the next six months at least, then you just
may as well put them with the elite. Don't do
these makeshifts like oh he's with Express and he's with
these guys, and especially too now that Coodo Boushi's hurt.
You really you could at least done that right like
gold Movers with somebody else.
Speaker 5: But now that he's gone, like, well, you just gotta
do the Elite.
Speaker 2: Like and here's the thing, Like I love the Elite,
one of my favorite groups made me fall back in
love with wrestling after ww in twenty nineteen, which is like,
oh my god. But I think the problem for me
is just like I was not longing for them to
get back together yet, like it just it feels like
it's not been enough time since the breakup. It's I
don't even been a year, so but I kind.
Speaker 5: Of just get it from an injury standpoint.
Speaker 2: If they want to do six Mans, sure get the
Elite back together. And as I said, they should have
them win the Trios title and actually give them a
run this time, because last time they won the Trios title,
they got suspended the day after we see him punkin.
That was like that was supposed to be the new
And I guess that's the other weird thing too, Right
when the Elite got back together, it was it was
awkward because they got suspended and then when they went,
they came back and they lost the titles right away,
like it was a weird type run. So for me,
just have them be the fun spar of the show.
Have them do BT, have them be a bit more
calmedy driven. You can do some drama stuff, but like
keep them away from the fucking death Riders.
Speaker 5: We don't need to run that back.
Speaker 2: Like have them win the Trios title and just have
them be that. Have them do a classic three point
five that's gonna wake up the crowd. Have Nick Jackson
flip his ass off, but catch him this time. But
so I'm for it. It just kind of felt like
not as big as the Elite like reunion should have been.
But I know it'll be entertaining at least when they
get to it.
Speaker 1: So I will say something. And as I haven't seen
obviously all of aw's history to really know the answer,
but it's also in asking him like it was the
question was like outside of like the Moxley feud, at
like the very start of AW, what has Kenny done
that wasn't something related to the Elite or Don Kallas
in some capacity?
Speaker 2: I think the only one I really like, which she
had the Don calson they need to get away. The
only one I really liked is they were doing a
he never beat him, but Orange Cassidy had like his number.
He kept like like getting hits, Like he kept like
countering something like they were doing lots of tag team
matches when he was world champ, and he kept like
getting the better of him. So this was the story
of like Ken Kenny beat this like little loser guy
that keeps it getting and they for some reason made
it a three way with Pauk. Pauk just interjected himself
in the story. But that's the only other thing I
can think of, is I like this like a month
and a half story of Kenny's really annoyed about Orange
Cassidy because he can't they could get hold and then
he just beat him and then they moved on. And
that was the first time do they tinkered with the
Orange cassid He is like an actual contender storyline. But yeah,
really on that they've not done. It's been Elite and
it's been Don Colson and the Don Kallis stuff is
inexcusable because this has been going on. It was going
on too long six months ago. It is this is brutal.
This is like, yeah, separate them do like enough, like
it's and maybe they could do some of the ops too,
you know, like that's something fun they could do. But
donk I feel like the Don Cols feud is like
another two months left and it's it's brutal. It's some
of my least favorite stuff in wrestling right now.
Speaker 7: To be honest, we're getting the you're getting a monkey's
pop from all this, and you're getting a Kenny versus
Hook singles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not Kenny versus Joe, Kenny versus Hook, my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Outside of his early steff with the Elite and now,
he did have the run where he was doing his
whole belt collector's thing and Don Kallis was his manager
at the time, like they were on good side. But
he's always been attached to Don Kallis in some form
after the.
Speaker 3: Whole early days of it.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I had in my notes, I'm like, there's
fun spots, dead crowd and Don Kallis is annoying the
shit on commentary, Like I'm really tired of hearing him
and I win every.
Speaker 2: Matches guy to like just make them all on once
for the night, not every time. His guy is wrestling,
because that gets too much in might opinion because he's
I don't actually mind. I think Don kallas Is the
commentary on New Japan was good, but when he's a
heel commentator that's rooting for his guy, it's it's not good.
I think it's it's overbearing. He and he only used
to do that with Kenny in U Japan. But what
I liked about Kenny he wasn't even his manager. It
was just he was like, hey, I'm friends with Kenny
and I'm rooting for him. It was never so this
of a like eighties heel stuff that's just like it's
just not working. It's just like it's it ruins some
of the broadcast.
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, and I put in here and we
touched on it early, like Kenny's not busting out the
big moves.
Speaker 3: That are used to seeing from Kenny.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if he's just he's saving big
match Kenny for another time or what. But I need
to say, see at least one or two of those
big moments really stand out and remind us.
Speaker 2: Or maybe he can't though maybe he's like maybe he
does them.
Speaker 5: Then after he's like, I'm really hurting. So that's the
thing where at.
Speaker 2: Least the six Men's he can kind of like tag
out and cover for a bit. You know. There was
a time where he did the the like the suit
like whatever, the plancha over and he landed on his foot.
He was completely fine, but when he sold it, I
was like, oh God, don't tell you. And then they
made it probably matches like okay, good Alexander just want
to work the foot. But for like thirty seconds I
was like, oh my, he sold it away where he
didn't bring attention to it. He just kind of moved
off the sign and was like moving his foot around.
Speaker 5: I was like, oh god, don't.
Speaker 1: And we'll get to it. Like in the in the
stat Lander match, like when she went to the outside
right away and landed like on her shoulder and like
snapped to it. Oh, like oh my god, it's over.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can move there now. That that got me,
especially the way the reft checked on her. I thought
the raft did a good job when.
Speaker 7: Like Mercedes like went after right away, but like when
the ref was like like hole and the camera was
like kind of going.
Speaker 2: Away round, it's awkward.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and her shoulder looked like really red by. That's
probably just from like falling straight up.
Speaker 2: Well she had like yeah, she had like a bump,
like a string bump on her shoulder, like oh no,
but yeah again, good job there, and even then, like
the reveal of it, the camera shot was good because
then when she's like, yeah, I'm good to go, and
then out of nowhere, just a knee from Mercedes like
comes in the frame. It was like really good. But
yeah we did stat Land and versus Mercedes Monet, Mercedes
Monet getting the uh not getting the win, taking the
first loss of stat Land or they're eating that up
and doing that story of she can win all these titles,
but she can't win this main one. I think eventually,
obviously she will, you know, maybe that'll be when Bailey's
in there as the baby face pop help her out.
But uh no, I think they as always these ladies
have great chemistry. They wrestled a very different match because
they did like like they did that arm spot and the.
Speaker 7: First technical match of just her working yes the arm
and trying to do damage.
Speaker 2: To it felt very like nineties WF like Brett Hart
when he was defending his titles, like it felt like that.
But It was very different from what they did before,
which was like mostly fast paced stuff.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: I think that was smart because you don't want to
just redo the same match over and over. I don't
think any of us really thought stat Lander was in
any worry of losing this title. But I have good chemistry,
and I think they had some good spots. And again,
if they want to run it back, and sure they
they They were very good together, and I hope sat
Lander gets like a nice now run before lace. I think, bang,
we'll take it off. But no, very good match, not
their best one. I think the best one is still
probably the first one they had, because I think we
were just surprised how good the chemistry was and they
were doing a lot of stuff and it felt like
they weren't holding back because it felt like TK didn't
plan a rematch, but the match was so good, He's like, well,
let's just do this again. Right, But yeah, I think
it's like a four star four point two five for
me or something.
Speaker 7: I had like four point two five, but I didn't
want to rewatch the the other two just to compare it.
Speaker 1: But I did really like this one. There were some
good callbacks, like the like getting in at nine.
Speaker 7: Spot was really good, but they did the opposite because
then that one Mercedes had, like Statlander gone in at nine.
Speaker 1: This time it was Mercedes, but like.
Speaker 7: Statlander was like like when Stalander got in at nine
in the previous snatch, Mercedes was like, oh, like I
can't believe this.
Speaker 1: But then in this one they did it.
Speaker 7: Where like Statlander wanted her to get back in so
she could like keep beating her up.
Speaker 1: She like smiled then she.
Speaker 7: Got in, but then people put those clips by side
by side, and like when Statlander came in and that
other match, the crowd was like exploding, and then in
this one it was like dead.
Speaker 1: Like when Mercedes like had her arm on the outside
and like stepped on it, there was literally like it
was like like silent, like you could hear like her
footstoff smoking on the outside.
Speaker 2: Oh and even like in the last match, I could
reminder they had Kenny in that ankle log and if
Kenny was trying to build that spot so the crowd
wouldn't want to tap and like trying to get like
the feed and it just wasn't there, and it was like, oh,
it doesn't look great. When that happened, I will say
because you remind me too. Another spot I liked it
was a simple butt when camera what move, It was
like one of either signature or finished. Mercedes hit it
and then Christa Lander kicked out and Mercedes just like mad.
But she was there for like twenty seconds. And I
like that in a match sometimes where she's like gives
it a moment to breathe and just shows the heels
like and I mean, you found the bay face doing that,
Like I can't beat this person, I can't find a way.
Like I like when it's just a moment like, hey,
we're just gonna sit out and show this character, especially
because Most Cities is winning everything right now. It just shows, Okay,
she's just pissed off right now, what you gonna do?
And then like right after she kind of lost it.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I thought it was a good match once
I realized that it wasn't a title for title match,
that it was, you know, just for the woman's setto.
I knew Statlander was gonna end up winning it. She's
gonna keep that belt, which is perfectly fine. I'm I
want her to go on a little bit of a run.
I mean, people have been asking for it. For so
long that I want her to have a little bit
more time with it, so it's good match, some fun spots,
you know, trying to get the crowd back in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then finally I.
Speaker 7: Have somewhere that like, I'm trying to look quickly like
a cage match. How long this was, because it says,
yeah it was, it was over.
Speaker 5: Twenty three minutes and five seconds.
Speaker 7: But I don't know, there's just something about like these
and I felt the same about the Tony match.
Speaker 1: I don't know, they just feel all like a tiny
bit too short. I guess it's just when compared to.
Speaker 7: Just any other random like men's match will go like
twenty five to thirty minutes, that is.
Speaker 2: Like Bristoll and Fletcher minutes.
Speaker 7: These title defenses for for Chris just feel like a
tiny bit too short, like they could be a little
bit more. But I'm still really liking the matches, so
that that's just like a minor nitpick that I just
feel like i'd have to see.
Speaker 5: How Yeah, I agree with you on the Tony one.
Speaker 2: This one, this one, I think I felt fine with
the time, but the Tony one I felt was like
a little shorter, but at least they're giving her like
the second slot of the night and stuff. So yeah, yeah,
and then finally we had Samoa Joe versus Hangman Page
in a still cage. We kind of talked about a
little bit at the beginning. Joe got bust up, the
statement just took his boot off, beat him up. I
think there's some hard Way stuff in there, some blade
so good mix, and I actually really like this match.
To me, this would have been it's lower now, but
I was like veering towards a four because, like I liked,
it was just like two bruiser classes and they're just
beating each other up. Lots of cage slams, lots of
it's just like gnarly hits, Like it just felt like, okay,
it's just like a bar brawl, Like these guys just
beating each other up. I don't know why they're obsessed
with doing this, like they with the Hangman MJFF match.
We talked about this. It was a really good match,
and then they did Mark Briscoe came in there and
another thing happened and it's like, why'd they do this?
And then they did the Fletcher Hangman one zero interference.
I kind of felt like an apology of Okay, I've
heard the complaints. Here's just a straight wrestling match. And
they went back to with like you had fucking shabbata
climb the cage and out of nowhere Kingston comes in
and then Will Hobbs breaks the cheney comes in, and
then I'm like, even though the hook thing is like
a meme, I'm fine with that because like that was
like turn the time made Hayman lose, but the rest
of it's just like, I don't know, I just I
wish it didn't go that way. Sure, they're protecting Hangman,
it's just too much interference in there. To me, if
you're gonna have one, just keep it just one hook
and that alone. Even though I don't think that has
like the hoodspa they thought they were having. So to me,
it was a really good match up until the ending,
and we can talk about I don't see why I
have this is one of those I need to wait
and see. I don't see why Joe winning, and not
just because I love hang Man. I just don't see
why Joe's winning here other than we don't have a
lot of heels right now, so we can first the
baby faces, I just especially if the trajectory is Osprey
for all in it's just like, so we're gonna go
from Joe to a Babyface to MGF to I don't know,
I I don't see I don't see the vision, but
maybe I will in a couple of weeks from now.
So good match and the Swerve return to me was
a big dud. The crowd like the crowd wasn't there,
but he looked Jack. But when he's fighting those people
themed song didn't work either. And to me, when he's
fighting the people was weird, like you can't be doing
wrestling moves on the security, like just that's your pontas, y'all.
Speaker 3: Jimp Hill come when he's.
Speaker 2: Like trying to set the power bomb, and they're just
like like, no, you you you you have three things
you can do in a brawl A punch, a kick,
or dive to take them all out. That's it. But
he like it's like he was gone for like three years,
like I'm gonna remove you on move set. It's like, no,
you've been gone for like six months, Like we know
what Swerve does.
Speaker 7: When he was walking towards Hangman, they were setting that
up as if like oh, like, is he gonna.
Speaker 2: Get at it?
Speaker 1: Literally, he literally helped him win the title.
Speaker 2: The swerve would have been him attacking Hangman. That would
have been the swerve of like they're together.
Speaker 7: I like he's like walking. It's like, oh he's actually
fighting the security. Yeah, in no world that I think
he was gonna attack Hangman. And that's what the crowd
the meme of him doing.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, the crowd's already dead enough, and you're giving
this to an arrow that no one believes. Like the
swerve is hang in and swerves stand together, they're gonna
fighterybody and Swerve turns. You're like, oh my god, he
does hate him again, like for whatever reason, but no,
no one will if he was just gonna be like, hey,
Man's already dead. Yeah, I'm just gonna keep beating them up.
Like That's where just little stuff like that, no one
sits around goes like this isn't believable. Just have a
run down and safe hang I just have the ops
are gonna fucking you know, musclebuster Hangman on a table.
Swarve just makes a safe. That's it easy, don't there.
They overbooked that ending, like and even then he's.
Speaker 1: Doing away from the screen for one second and there
were like thirty five guys in the ring, and like,
who are these people?
Speaker 4: I know?
Speaker 2: And they do this weird thing too, where like the
lights go out and then the lights came on and
Swore just made his entrance, like why the lights go out?
Just get his music? Like it's just I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm happy swars back. TV needs him.
Speaker 2: It just again, no one like they just little stuff
of you can fix all this by just change this,
change that, and it doesn't come off as awkward, but
it kind of made his return feel like nothing other
than I'm happy it swarves back on TV.
Speaker 4: So yeah, it to me like this match could have
been better for me, but it felt flat. The ending
definitely took a lot away from it. And when I
first saw like the moon when they were trying to
bring Swerve back, I was like, oh, well, Hook is
already out here, why are we throwing another Like I
caught up in there, and then it went to the
house and everything else. It's like, Okay, I get what
we're doing now, but at first he just nothing about
that just brought out the pop that I think that
they were wanting for Swerve. And I felt like it
was definitely a dud return because of the way that
it was set up.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I saw what I'm saying to like swerved up
the full like Roman walk to the ring, like he
was walking so slow. Well, like I guess he supposedly.
I mean, I guess the swerve was like.
Speaker 1: He was walking so slow because a, he's gonna attack.
Speaker 7: Him, and like he's not running down for the safe
because he's gonna fight in the dojo.
Speaker 1: But it was just weird.
Speaker 7: He was just yeah, walking down and like the theme song,
so people aren't really like ready to like do the
dance of the theme yet, so we just kind of
walking there while people are just kind of looking at him.
Speaker 2: How do you get rid of that fucking song? How
do you get rid of like Prince dont like unless
he's turning heel, which that would have made sense, right
if he came down and clocked hangman ands like, Oh
that's why he has that music because it's not like,
but how do you get rid of pitts Nada?
Speaker 1: Let me see it's like not vengeance or something.
Speaker 2: But is it him singing it though? Is it his song?
Speaker 7: His?
Speaker 1: Sure? It's him?
Speaker 2: Yeah, which makes sense.
Speaker 1: Is called most dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess I just to me, that's one where
it's like, eh, you sit him down and go you
know what, people like doing the swerve when you drive, like,
don't change it, like like it's same thing with Faws.
Like also when Jericho is over, it's like you just
rock with Even when he was a heeled they're like, oh,
are you in change it? He said no because the
people react, so.
Speaker 5: I'm not changing and eventually they did.
Speaker 2: Right. But like sometimes when music works, just go with it.
Just I know you want a new music track. But
like I said, that tracked me sounds perfect for when
he's heel again. Great, save it for that right now
you're doing your baby face return. I don't know. It
was just a lot of weird choics.
Speaker 1: So what do you think this? Like the match is nice,
like say full year water swerve and Hangman thing Joe
at World's End, Yeah, World's in.
Speaker 7: I think that trip will threat running it back from
like when they first thought for it, like Revolution twenty
twenty four it was Joe versus Hangman versus swerve with
Joe's the champion.
Speaker 2: I would prefer the only thing they should do, which
I don't like this at all. Then, is for some
reason you make you have make it a four way.
Speaker 1: The tag ropes that world.
Speaker 2: Well you do the tag yeah, you do the tag rope,
or you do the four way and m Jeff is
in there, but he wins in like a but like
it's he's wutning off of Joe's And as I said before,
like to me, I have no interest in swerving Joe
again right now, like that's how Swerve won the title,
So I don't believe Swarve's good either. I don't believe
Swarve's gonna do it, so I have no interest or
Swarve just beats Joe again very odd like what so
Swerve like don't wrong. I think there's money in MGF
and Swerve if they want to somehow get there, But
then they should have found do the triple threator something.
Maybe that's what it is. Maybe it is Swerve's gonna
beat Joe again, have like a small run and MGFF
gets it, because I do think there's a good chance
it's MGF. It's either MGF losing to Derby or losing
an offspring. It's what those are the two scenarios, And
I just don't know. It all depends on Will's health
and his recovery, so just a question of how we
get to MJFF. And I don't know if this is it,
but yeah, I think, uh, I think it's just Swerve,
and yeah, I think it's I'm gona. I think it's
Swerve and Joe on a dynamite. I don't even think
they're even gonna get the World's End. Well, I guess
it's in December, so it's not that far. It's yeah, yeah,
maybe you're right. Maybe I could see them doing Swerve
and Joe on a dynamite, but it ends in like
a kabooky way like with Shenanigans, and then they do
the triple thread or a fatal four way or something
like that. Like maybe maybe they do something where it
looks like Swerve's gonna beat Joe again at worlds N
but MGFF like cheats to win, and that's how you
can set up Swerve versus MJF and kind of go
from there. That that that's what I'm That's what I'm thinking, Dave,
you have anything elsewhere thoughts on that.
Speaker 4: I could see them doing the fatal four way. World's
End is December twenty seventh, So that's a month from now,
so you know, let Joe do his trash talking between
now and then lose it there or because in my mind,
I definitely see will Ospray beating someone of the caliber
of an.
Speaker 3: MJF or somebody like that.
Speaker 2: For you, not like another baby especially in England, like
that's weird if you haven't fight another babyface you know.
Speaker 4: Yes, so you have to find some way to you know,
transition the belt between that time. But and I think
fatal four way is something like that is the perfect
way to do it instead of you know, just going
heel versus. He'll have that Fatal four, have MJF take it,
and then have Osprey eventually beat him. I think that
that's the most logical conclusion from here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Walt, ladies, gymen, there we go. That is a
show we'll be back at next We can probably similar
time for war games. We'll talk about that and then
any other w W or AW news that breaks from that.
But yeah, we'll be breaking that show down and yeah,
we'll see see what happens the next week. You never
know what can happen, any returns, any surprises, any drama.
We'll cover it, so we'll be back and it won't
be boring. Se