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Speaker 2: Any Guy's Welcome back to another episode of the Scilly podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm really excited about my last night. It's been about
Speaker 2: the fourth or five times she's been on my show,
Speaker 2: she said. Frequent guest and always a fan favorite. Is
Speaker 2: Mary Joyce from the Sky Shifts of her Cashiers Night.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about Shared the Little People and
Speaker 2: are new basis and Mary has a story that she's
Speaker 2: put away that she can bring it out now she's
Speaker 2: actually met a shared erse and it's gonna be really
Speaker 2: interesting to hear what she says, what I wrote, I investigats,
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Speaker 2: another journey into the mysteries of hid Earth and Human Night.
Speaker 2: Mary will share learning Marvel's story a personal meeting with
Speaker 2: the Cherokee middle person. But she hunter was the mysterious
Speaker 2: being looked like? And how is her experience? Can I
Speaker 2: get Cherokee with curious surrounding the little People? And we're
Speaker 2: also messing in Antarctica and uh you know New Masons
Speaker 2: as Uhbout's Finding the Sky which one of married very
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Speaker 2: You just find the Sky, Cherokee Little People, one of
Speaker 2: the tangiblevings of Jesus and and uh and n Maces
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Speaker 2: And uh, I'm really excited to have her marry things
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Speaker 4: It's weird, but you're not.
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Speaker 4: Is it better?
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Speaker 4: You sound normal? Okay? Right, all right? Janzo, Man, it's
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Speaker 6: Yeah, let's see if I echo hello, Hello, you.
Speaker 4: Sound good to me.
Speaker 6: Okay, I guess this is the way we're gonna do it.
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Speaker 4: Now? Your volume went out? Like so it's like someone's
Speaker 4: messing with the volume. Well, Mary, can you hear me?
Speaker 6: I can hear you.
Speaker 4: Okay, Sorry, now we're good, okay, yeah, so I'm so
Speaker 4: now you're gone Okay, we're good. Now, we're good. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 4: So how are you?
Speaker 6: Besides, I'm sorry that started with a whole mess like that,
Speaker 6: but it looks like maybe we're gonna make it.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, Well, I do believe it's some kind of
Speaker 7: weird targeting, and I wonder why other podcasters don't get it,
Speaker 7: you know, I often wonder about that, you know, But
Speaker 7: I mean there's nothing I can do except, you know,
Speaker 7: just kind of keep moving on.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: Uh, You're not the only one that has problems, So
Speaker 6: don't feel like you've been singled out.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Oh, I do think sometimes the topics will send up
Speaker 6: a flare into the air, and there are some interference,
Speaker 6: may be because of the topics that you choose to
Speaker 6: talk about.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I think so too. Yeah, so how are you?
Speaker 4: What's how's everything going?
Speaker 6: I can't complain. We've got everything working.
Speaker 4: Now, so let's go for it. Yeah yeah. So okay,
Speaker 4: Cherokee little People.
Speaker 7: We know that you wrote the book about Cherokee little
Speaker 7: pickle people, but now you're coming out and saying you've
Speaker 7: actually met a Cherokee little person like tell us about this.
Speaker 4: It sounds fascinating.
Speaker 6: This just got posted on my website late yesterday, and
Speaker 6: so it's a story that's been sitting in my drawer
Speaker 6: since twenty fourteen, that's twelve years. And I did it
Speaker 6: because the parents of the little person didn't want their
Speaker 6: privacy invaded. The grandmother, who has a much wider vision
Speaker 6: of what's going on in the world, thought this was
Speaker 6: important for people to know, which is the reason I
Speaker 6: wrote the article originally.
Speaker 4: And it all started.
Speaker 6: Because one day she just said to me, I think
Speaker 6: my granddaughter may be a little now that I didn't
Speaker 6: immediately buy that, but needlessly we had, you know, many
Speaker 6: conversations after that. Now here's some interesting stuff for those
Speaker 6: who tend to be skeptics. This little person was studied
Speaker 6: by the chief of pediatrics at two North Carolina hospitals,
Speaker 6: Mission Hospital in Asheville and Bowman Gray Hospital in Winston Salem.
Speaker 6: They literally spent years testing here, and some of the
Speaker 6: tests themselves went on for months at a time. They
Speaker 6: were totally befuddled, and they ended up sending their test
Speaker 6: results to some place in England. I wish that the
Speaker 6: grandmother could have remembered what university or hospital it was
Speaker 6: sent to, because it was probably one of the big
Speaker 6: ones that they couldn't solve the things here, but all
Speaker 6: of their research showed that she was not a midget
Speaker 6: and she was not a dwarf. They could absolutely could
Speaker 6: not figure her out. And the grandmother said that they
Speaker 6: tested her bones, her hormones, just anything they could think of.
Speaker 6: They even gave her a growth hormone and it had
Speaker 6: absolutely no impact on her. So I found that real interesting.
Speaker 6: The first time that I met her was the grandmother
Speaker 6: brought her in where I was working, and she was
Speaker 6: about fourteen or fifteen years old at the time, and
Speaker 6: she was wearing sunglasses, but there were granny sunglasses and
Speaker 6: she could just barely peek over the counter. And when
Speaker 6: she was born, she was so tiny that the grandmother
Speaker 6: had to go out and buy cabbage patch doll clothes
Speaker 6: and plastic doll shoes to take her home from the
Speaker 6: hospital because even the infant clothing at the hospital fell
Speaker 6: slipped right off of her it was too big. So
Speaker 6: she was born tiny and she stayed tiny. And at
Speaker 6: the time I met her, she was wearing size jeans,
Speaker 6: and so for a fourteen or fifteen year old, that's
Speaker 6: pretty darn small. So the size was absolutely a factor,
Speaker 6: and some of the stories get kind of interesting. Two
Speaker 6: of them are grocery store stories. The grandmother took I'll
Speaker 6: call her Lily, took Lily with her to the grocery store,
Speaker 6: and at that time she was about the size of
Speaker 6: a six month old, but she was way beyond that,
Speaker 6: and so she's holding her lily in her arms. And
Speaker 6: when they were checking out Lily, the little one said
Speaker 6: I'll take the change. Well, it floored the cashier because
Speaker 6: this sounded like somebody much older than a six month old. Another,
Speaker 6: and I'll give you a quote on this one, she said, Granny,
Speaker 6: pick me up and put me in the basket or
Speaker 6: the shopping basket. I get so tired of shopping on
Speaker 6: the bottom shelves. I want to see what's up there.
Speaker 6: And at that time she was a teenager and she
Speaker 6: wasn't as tall as the shopping cart, so she was
Speaker 6: tiny all of her life. Another thing that was very
Speaker 6: unusual about her is that she was very sensitive to light.
Speaker 6: And the grandmother said, for the longest time they thought
Speaker 6: she was just shy because she would constantly be covering
Speaker 6: her eyes. And it was because of the sensitivity of light.
Speaker 6: And in my book, Cherokee little people were real. I
Speaker 6: got confirmation that the little people lived underground, they came
Speaker 6: out at night to tend to their gardens, and that
Speaker 6: the light bothered them.
Speaker 5: So she was.
Speaker 6: Right there in front of me, and she was having
Speaker 6: the same experiences that I had been writing about. Another
Speaker 6: thing that was unusual was she was a natural vegetarian,
Speaker 6: and the grandmother said that when everybody else in the
Speaker 6: family was eating meat and junk food, Lily only ate
Speaker 6: vegetables and she didn't like sugar. That in itself is
Speaker 6: kind of unique. And she had an interesting thing regarding
Speaker 6: her ancestry. Her father was Hawaiian, her mother was Cherokee.
Speaker 6: Both cultures have the little people, so we began to
Speaker 6: speculate that maybe the recessive gene from both sides of
Speaker 6: the family manifested as Lily as this little person.
Speaker 4: Yes, so the Hawaiians have their version of these little
Speaker 4: people as well. We never talked about that. Say that again, please,
Speaker 4: So the Hawaiian people have their Yes they do. H Wow,
Speaker 4: that's fascinating.
Speaker 6: And there's there's little people that are found in many
Speaker 6: cultures around the world, but this one was kind of
Speaker 6: interesting to mix those two cultures. And at first I
Speaker 6: thought that the grandmother had misspoken because she kept referring
Speaker 6: to the little people as the men of hewn. That's
Speaker 6: the Hawaiian word for little people. So they must have
Speaker 6: just got up to the father's word for little people
Speaker 6: rather than the Cherokee word.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, wow, that's did they did? She?
Speaker 7: Have they ever say anything about that they had like
Speaker 7: a connection to enter earth there, because I remember we
Speaker 7: thought that maybe these Cherokee little people were living underground,
Speaker 7: right they are.
Speaker 6: Yes, all the tunnels that I write about in my
Speaker 6: book are underground, but they're not deep underground. We're not
Speaker 6: talking people living in deep, deep caves. In fact, where
Speaker 6: we found what must have been a little people town
Speaker 6: or city at one point is where Western Carolina University
Speaker 6: is located now. And whenever they were digging what they
Speaker 6: thought was virgin soil to build new buildings, they would
Speaker 6: find these little tunnels. And they were cut out of
Speaker 6: red clay fairly close to the surface. And I know
Speaker 6: you know this, but they were cut square, but it
Speaker 6: was a rounded top to these tunnels, which makes them stronger.
Speaker 6: But they were found all over the campus and certainly
Speaker 6: other places too, you know, not too far from there. Yeah, well,
Speaker 6: I wanted to get in there. I know you want
Speaker 6: to talk about the moon and all of that, so
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get through this kind of quickly for you.
Speaker 6: They tested the lily's immune system, and she had an
Speaker 6: immune system, but it didn't protect her from all the
Speaker 6: things that you know, human children get, So she wouldn't
Speaker 6: last more than like a week at school, and she'd
Speaker 6: get some kind of respiratory problem, and so they ended
Speaker 6: up having to homeschooler. And I was able to see
Speaker 6: her death certificate and she died at the age of eighteen,
Speaker 6: so about three years after I met her, from acute
Speaker 6: respiratory distress, septic shock, and bacterial pneumonia. And again we
Speaker 6: speculated that maybe most of the little people died off
Speaker 6: because they didn't have an immune system that would fight
Speaker 6: off the German that we have in our culture.
Speaker 4: Well, do you think they they're nonexistent out to this
Speaker 4: day or do you think they.
Speaker 6: I've learned. I've learned that they there are still little people,
Speaker 6: but they stay to themselves, and you know, but they're
Speaker 6: still here. When I wrote my book Cherokee People Were Real,
Speaker 6: which was published the same year that I wrote this
Speaker 6: article about this little person, I really thought I was
Speaker 6: dealing with something that was simply in the past. And
Speaker 6: after I came out with the book The Cherokee around
Speaker 6: Here and I live in Cherokee Country in Western Carolina,
Speaker 6: and they began to realize I wasn't going to make
Speaker 6: fun of them, and they began to tell me some
Speaker 6: of their stories, and they're really kind of cute stories.
Speaker 6: One Gal, and these are all stories that aren't.
Speaker 4: In the book.
Speaker 6: One Gal told me that they her family had a
Speaker 6: place up in Big Cove. Big Cove is a more
Speaker 6: remote part of the Cherokee home base, and so they
Speaker 6: would keep a little trailer up there so that when
Speaker 6: they would have family gatherings, they would have a restroom
Speaker 6: and they would have a kitchen to fix food for everybody. Well,
Speaker 6: the kids were playing hide and seek, and this particular
Speaker 6: little girl went to hide in the shower of the trailer,
Speaker 6: and when he pulled back the curtain there was little person,
Speaker 6: a little man, just smiling, grin grinned, you know, from
Speaker 6: ear to ear, and I guess he simply wanted to
Speaker 6: play with the kids.
Speaker 4: But it scared her to death.
Speaker 6: She said she went running to her daddy. And another
Speaker 6: another story is from a woman who again lives in
Speaker 6: the main part of Cherokee, but she has an aunt
Speaker 6: and uncle that lived in an even more remote area,
Speaker 6: and she was staying with them overnight, and her uncle
Speaker 6: said that he'd proved to her that the little people
Speaker 6: came to their house and he spread flower all over
Speaker 6: either the front porch or the deck. I don't know
Speaker 6: what it was, but he spread the flower all over,
Speaker 6: and in the morning there were little, tiny footprints all
Speaker 6: all over where the flower had been tossed. And again
Speaker 6: it's among among the old time Cherokee. They will still
Speaker 6: put out food at night for the little people, and
Speaker 6: the little people are known for throwing pebbles on the
Speaker 6: roof if they're forgotten.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's fascinating. Like what did the Cherokee elders a
Speaker 4: historians say about the little people? Do they do they
Speaker 4: ever have contact with them?
Speaker 6: The Cherokee tribes and the people who are Cherokee, they
Speaker 6: accept that there's there's no doubt among them at all.
Speaker 6: In fact, at one point I interviewed the great great
Speaker 6: granddaughter of Sally. Sally is regarded as the number one
Speaker 6: hero among the Cherokee, and she spoke an educated woman,
Speaker 6: I mean, she was somehow involved with the hospital and
Speaker 6: teaching something in the medical field, so she was not
Speaker 6: a dumb person.
Speaker 1: But she.
Speaker 6: Absolutely believed in the little people.
Speaker 4: And she said that.
Speaker 6: She also believed that the Cherokee came from the Pleiodes,
Speaker 6: which is a star cluster, and many of their origin
Speaker 6: stories talk about the Seven Sisters. The Seven Sisters refer
Speaker 6: to the seven main stars of the Pleiades, and so
Speaker 6: they hide some of their teachings in the seven Sister story.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's interesting.
Speaker 7: Now, would you say that the Cherokee little people they
Speaker 7: are generally considered helpful, dangerous, mischievous or uh And and yeah, I.
Speaker 6: Hear the thing about the mischievous thing with the little people.
Speaker 6: I don't think most people run into that. The only
Speaker 6: time I've ever heard a really kind of bad, negative
Speaker 6: story about the little people was when I was out
Speaker 6: in South Dakota and I got to meet the daughter
Speaker 6: of a shaman and she told me the story of
Speaker 6: her cousins swimming in a creek out there and going
Speaker 6: around and they found a cave off the side of
Speaker 6: one of the creeks, and they went in it and
Speaker 6: it was a little cave, and they found a quiver,
Speaker 6: arrows and a bow, and they took it. They took
Speaker 6: these things, and when the grandfather found out they'd done it,
Speaker 6: he said, you take those back. You know, we're going
Speaker 6: to have trouble. And for a while the little people
Speaker 6: were killing their chickens and just doing annoying things. But
Speaker 6: I actually sympathize with them. When you're that little and
Speaker 6: the big people are picking on you, that's one way
Speaker 6: to get them to stop and think about not bothering you.
Speaker 4: But they didn't last long.
Speaker 6: It was just like to let them know, you better
Speaker 6: not mess with our stuff. That's the story i've heard.
Speaker 4: Are they very dependent on us, on humans or are
Speaker 4: they pretty much self sustaining?
Speaker 6: Self sustaining From what I can see, though, I think
Speaker 6: they must enjoy the extra food that's put.
Speaker 4: Out there, and they're mostly vegetarian.
Speaker 6: You said, well, I can't swear by that, but that
Speaker 6: certainly was true with Lily. I mean, for to be
Speaker 6: around people a family that eats meat and as the
Speaker 6: grandmother said, loves junk food, and she didn't get into
Speaker 6: any of that. That's that's peculiar in and of itself.
Speaker 7: Yeah, do you do you think Karen McDonald says s
Speaker 7: I and I x t here they're connected to the
Speaker 7: Pleadians as well.
Speaker 4: She said, it is interesting.
Speaker 7: She said that the Star Nations of Dakota near that sector,
Speaker 7: seven Sisters snow White and the seven Dwarfs.
Speaker 4: She said, he's kind of the story right like that.
Speaker 6: It's I never connected those two, but that's very interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's very interesting.
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Speaker 4: Thanks to everybody who did. And uh waiting the lighting
Speaker 4: the dark Remote Union says, is there a Native American
Speaker 4: name for them?
Speaker 6: Or is it?
Speaker 4: Do they have? Is the do we know?
Speaker 6: Each tribe seems to have their own name. I do
Speaker 6: not know how to pronounce it in the Cherokee language,
Speaker 6: but they have a Cherokee word for the little people
Speaker 6: around here. Even the Cherokee themselves refer to them as
Speaker 6: the little people. Only a few people used the real name.
Speaker 6: And like I already mentioned, the in hawaiither call them
Speaker 6: many human.
Speaker 4: The many here. That's interesting.
Speaker 7: And then are there certain mountains, caves or waterways for
Speaker 7: underground locations traditionally associated with them.
Speaker 4: You'd say.
Speaker 6: This is true of the little people, and it's true
Speaker 6: of the Bigfoot. You will find them in rocky mountain places,
Speaker 6: where there's natural caves that they can get into, where
Speaker 6: there's water, where there's some forest. That's common to both
Speaker 6: the big Foot and the little people.
Speaker 7: Do you think the little people are prone to like
Speaker 7: predatory attacks a lot, like even like from otate big
Speaker 7: birds or owls or something like that, like because they're smaller.
Speaker 6: Well they're about three and a half feet tall, so
Speaker 6: you have to be a pretty big bird to pick
Speaker 6: one up.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't really think that's a problem that they have.
Speaker 4: I haven't heard of them, but probably other other things
Speaker 4: like wolves or bears or whatever else is in that area, right,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
Speaker 6: Remember they remember out in South Dakota they had bows
Speaker 6: and arrows, so they were able to defend themselves. And
Speaker 6: they can go underground. I'm sure they have ways of
Speaker 6: preventing people from other creatures from getting in there where
Speaker 6: they are.
Speaker 7: Do you know if they've ever had contact with any
Speaker 7: other kind of like cryptoterrestrial civilization since they're underground.
Speaker 6: If they have, I've not heard about it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, Wow, well this is fascinating. Like I'm trying
Speaker 7: to think of what other questions to ask about this is?
Speaker 7: I mean, it's and do you do you believe they
Speaker 7: communicate verbally telepathy or both.
Speaker 6: With the little people they community. They I'm sure they're
Speaker 6: capable of telepathic communication because most creatures are, but they talk.
Speaker 6: They can communicate with words.
Speaker 4: Like we do. Yeah.
Speaker 7: And when you had your an encounter, did anything unusual
Speaker 7: happen before or after, like missing time, strange white streams,
Speaker 7: physical sensations, or electronics servants or anything like that.
Speaker 6: No, the grandmother brought her into where I was working,
Speaker 6: so it was in a public place, and there was
Speaker 6: nothing unusual about it at all other than that she
Speaker 6: was a tiny little person.
Speaker 4: Wow, it's fascinating. Before we move on to Antarctica, is
Speaker 4: there anything else you want to share about, you know,
Speaker 4: the Little People and the charity.
Speaker 6: I want to re emphasize that the chief pediatrician doctors
Speaker 6: who studied her, they could not find anything that would
Speaker 6: explain what she was or how she was. Nothing made
Speaker 6: sense to them. The grandmother wanted to tell the doctors
Speaker 6: what she thought her granddaughter was. The mother didn't want
Speaker 6: to share that information. It would have been interesting if
Speaker 6: the doctors had had that kind of information to interweave
Speaker 6: with the information they got from their test, but she
Speaker 6: clearly didn't fit the fit the mold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a story that will always fascinate me.
Speaker 4: I've always been fascinated with little people, whether.
Speaker 7: It's leperchauns or you know, the cherry the little people,
Speaker 7: or even like we hear about the puck Wodgies up
Speaker 7: in the Bridge of Water Triangle, like you know, like,
Speaker 7: do you think that the puck Wogies the people are
Speaker 7: seeing or like a complete different race, or do you
Speaker 7: think you know there are different formal little people.
Speaker 6: First of all, I do not know. My guess is
Speaker 6: they're just another form of little people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and even here the.
Speaker 6: Old timers talked about there were they would say there
Speaker 6: were two kinds of little people in this area in
Speaker 6: the mountains of western North Carolina. The one that we're
Speaker 6: familiar with are the ones that look more like the
Speaker 6: Cherokee themselves, with the dark, straight hair and just you know,
Speaker 6: more like you would expect them an Indian. But they
Speaker 6: also talked about the little people that had red whiskers,
Speaker 6: which made me think of the leprechauns. And there was
Speaker 6: a man when he was, oh, he was just little.
Speaker 6: He was like five or five seven years old.
Speaker 4: He found this.
Speaker 6: Medallion of a looks like a leprechaun. And in my book,
Speaker 6: I've got a picture of a leprechaun and this medallion
Speaker 6: that he found, and they.
Speaker 4: Look the same.
Speaker 6: So with red whiskers and the same profile as an
Speaker 6: Irish leprechaun. That sounds like at one point there were
Speaker 6: two kinds of little people right here in this area.
Speaker 6: But the Cherokee didn't like the ones with the whiskers.
Speaker 6: They would try to kill them, which I found interesting. Wow,
Speaker 6: they were like the rival plan almost of little people.
Speaker 4: Maybe I don't know if.
Speaker 6: They were fighting amongst each other or not, but I
Speaker 6: know that they were not not liked for some reason.
Speaker 6: Some of these things you get in on the history
Speaker 6: when there's just a few people left to tell it
Speaker 6: and you can't track it down like you would like to.
Speaker 6: And to this day, I'm grateful that I was able
Speaker 6: to interview the men who were involved with early construction
Speaker 6: at Western Carolina University. They were all for the most
Speaker 6: part in their eighties when I interviewed them, and that
Speaker 6: was back in twenty twenty one, and if I hadn't
Speaker 6: interviewed them, all of that information would be gone.
Speaker 4: And anyhow, Wow, this is fascinating. Okay, let's move on
Speaker 4: to Antarctica.
Speaker 7: This kind of deals with your book, you know, Spying
Speaker 7: the Sky, which is one of my favorite books of yours,
Speaker 7: if not my favorite.
Speaker 4: I have a copy still behind me on my shelf
Speaker 4: and I love looking at it. But do you want
Speaker 4: to tell people a little bit for people who might
Speaker 4: not I know what.
Speaker 7: Mostly everybody's familiar with you, but like for people that
Speaker 7: might not be familiar with you, tell them a little bit.
Speaker 4: About spying the sky, and then we can get into Antarctica.
Speaker 6: Okay, I have right now, I have five books listed
Speaker 6: on Amazon, including Spying the Sky. Except you can't get
Speaker 6: Spy in the Sky from Amazon. There has been interference
Speaker 6: that book at every level. And so if anybody wants
Speaker 6: to get the book, go to my website which is
Speaker 6: sky Shipsovercashers dot com. Cashers is spelled like a cashier
Speaker 6: at the grocery store. Sky Shipsovercashers dot com and open
Speaker 6: up editor's corner and you can get the book for
Speaker 6: sixteen dollars, I'll mail it right to you. But there's
Speaker 6: been blocks all along the way with information that's been
Speaker 6: in that book, not only blocking that book getting out,
Speaker 6: but also many times when I would first post some
Speaker 6: of this information on the website, it would get wiped
Speaker 6: away almost instantly. So clearly my books Buying the Sky
Speaker 6: is revealing stuff that some people do not want out there.
Speaker 4: I would agree.
Speaker 7: I would agree because you know, there's a lot of
Speaker 7: times what we find, and I think what you found
Speaker 7: is when you would do your research and you would
Speaker 7: be researching on Google or for a lot of this
Speaker 7: stuff you were because people don't know, and you researched
Speaker 7: Mars and the moon too. It seems like you would
Speaker 7: find something and then soon after it would be erased
Speaker 7: or they would try it, sometimes almost instantly.
Speaker 6: The quickest time that ever had ever disappeared was it
Speaker 6: was I think it was a Saturday morning. I had
Speaker 6: just found something, and I called somebody. I'm not going
Speaker 6: to drop anybody's names, but it's somebody who you would
Speaker 6: recognize the name, and said I would send them a
Speaker 6: link so they could see what I was seeing. I said,
Speaker 6: as soon as I take a shower, I'll send it
Speaker 6: to you. Well, I didn't take a long shower. When
Speaker 6: I came back, it had already been we're an Antarctica out,
Speaker 6: it had already been transformed into a sheet of ice.
Speaker 6: So that was that happened in the time it takes
Speaker 6: to take a shower. So that was pretty burn fast.
Speaker 6: Usually it happens, it's happened within a day. One of
Speaker 6: the entrances into Mars, which was pretty good size. It's
Speaker 6: one hundred feet high. These are round figures, dre feet
Speaker 6: by three hundred feet, so any airplane we know could
Speaker 6: probably fly right in there. And as soon as I
Speaker 6: posted that on the website, along with another entrance into Antarctica,
Speaker 6: it began to disappear, but it disappeared in segments. The
Speaker 6: first thing that happened was it looks like somebody took
Speaker 6: a bottle of ink and just poured it over that
Speaker 6: whole area and it went black. I kept checking back
Speaker 6: on it, and for a very brief amount of time,
Speaker 6: one of those entrances said hollow Earth Entrance, and the
Speaker 6: other book said hollow Earth Entrance too. Those labels stayed
Speaker 6: there only for a little bit, and eventually that too,
Speaker 6: became just a sheet of ice and you would never
Speaker 6: know it was there. Wow, Thank goodness, And everybody ought
Speaker 6: to know about this, and they probably do. There's a
Speaker 6: print screen. You hit control in the print screen and
Speaker 6: you can save what'sever there. If I hadn't done that,
Speaker 6: I would not have been able to show people before
Speaker 6: and after shots.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's amazing, So let's get it in Antartica. Like,
Speaker 7: what originally inspired you to start looking around in Antarctica
Speaker 7: was the kind of like all the more we've heard
Speaker 7: about it that I'm trying to remember what made me
Speaker 7: start doing it. I really don't know, but I the
Speaker 7: more I explore. This happened over a number of years.
Speaker 6: I mean I didn't sit here glued all the time
Speaker 6: looking for all this stuff, but I would sit down
Speaker 6: with Google Earth and just start exploring. And sometimes I
Speaker 6: got lucky and.
Speaker 4: One of the things.
Speaker 6: And I've been surprised at every step. I wasn't the
Speaker 6: first one who found there. Somebody who was a friend
Speaker 6: of the website found the first one. She went in
Speaker 6: and looked into a crack in the ice in Antarctica
Speaker 6: and found the remains of an old city. Now, when
Speaker 6: I talk about through an old city. You can see
Speaker 6: all the different square cuts. It's like looking down on it.
Speaker 6: The roofs are gone, but the different shapes are all
Speaker 6: either rectangles or squares, and they're grouped together like you know,
Speaker 6: some kind of a city complex. So she found that
Speaker 6: and that immediately started me exploring all the cracks I
Speaker 6: could find, and together we found five ancient cities buried
Speaker 6: in the ice. And these are becoming visible now because
Speaker 6: everything's warming up and the ice is melting fast.
Speaker 7: So and let me throw this.
Speaker 6: Out here because I think it's really important. Most scientists
Speaker 6: say it's been like thirty four million years since Antarctica
Speaker 6: was not covered in ice. That's a long long time.
Speaker 6: So if that's melting, it's revealing cities that are that old,
Speaker 6: which makes them the oldest in the world. And people think, well,
Speaker 6: you know, the Great Pyramids so old. It's less than
Speaker 6: five thousand years. So we're talking really really old stuff.
Speaker 6: And to find that kind of thing, when you first
Speaker 6: find it, it's like you know, finding a gold nugget.
Speaker 6: You go, oh my god, I can't believe this.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, And like, are they have they deleted it
Speaker 7: or is it becoming more visible?
Speaker 4: Can anybody kind of look at it now.
Speaker 6: Anything that I have have in the book, I have
Speaker 6: the coordinates. I can never tell you if they're still
Speaker 6: there or not, because I've gone back at some points
Speaker 6: and things that have been there for quite a while
Speaker 6: have disappeared so or blurred out. That's what they love
Speaker 6: to do. Many of these cities are blurred out. If
Speaker 6: you know that a city's there, you can kind of
Speaker 6: get a hint of it, but without knowing that, you
Speaker 6: wouldn't recognize it as a city.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and you've you've found any of that you said
Speaker 7: they could potentially lead underneath the eye?
Speaker 4: Correct, Wow, that's fascinating, Like what do you what do you?
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, based on the more we know
Speaker 7: about Antarctica, what do you feel is under there? Do
Speaker 7: you feel like it's off world Germans or Inner eart
Speaker 7: civilizations or both ors or your.
Speaker 6: Gas If you had to at this point, I would
Speaker 6: go with both. I mean, there's so much evidence that
Speaker 6: the Germans had and still have a base down there,
Speaker 6: and some really credible sources have talked about the Germans
Speaker 6: building spacecraft in Antarctica and that that's where those were formed.
Speaker 6: And if this is another thing which people may not know.
Speaker 6: In nineteen fifty two there was a spectacular showing of
Speaker 6: UFOs over at Washington. It made the newspapers. It was
Speaker 6: to this day, it's a well known event. According to
Speaker 6: astronaut Clark McClellan, who became really good friends with Werner
Speaker 6: von Braun, those were German craft that flew over Washington,
Speaker 6: d C. They were not et craft.
Speaker 4: Wow. Wow, Holy, that's that's huge. That's like yeah, like
Speaker 4: and only think here, let me go back to my
Speaker 4: uh my questions like do.
Speaker 7: You believe there could be ancient ruins or modern military installations?
Speaker 4: Are both both?
Speaker 6: I mean the ancient cities were finding are as old
Speaker 6: as you can imagine. So that's that's under Antarctica and
Speaker 6: it's beginning to be shown. And definitely there's current activity
Speaker 6: going on down there.
Speaker 7: Oly should like it's it's it's it's fascinating, like it
Speaker 7: really is, Like it's yeah, And if you guys have any.
Speaker 4: Questions for Mary, put them in the chat and have images.
Speaker 7: We talked about this little bit, but you said the
Speaker 7: images kind of changed, they become border they disappeared, like yeah,
Speaker 7: but you still put the quarter it's in the.
Speaker 6: In the uh and with everything I found. There's the coordinates,
Speaker 6: so you can go and see what's there now, I
Speaker 6: don't I don't know because I haven't checked it all
Speaker 6: out real recently.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you one hundred percent. And
Speaker 4: this is so interesting, Like, yeah, at least see here
Speaker 4: and uh, let me see. Yeah, put your.
Speaker 7: Questions for marrying the chat guys, and uh, why do
Speaker 7: you think they're trying to conceal what's in our antarctica?
Speaker 7: What do you think they're trying to Why do you
Speaker 7: think they just don't want us to know about our
Speaker 7: real history?
Speaker 6: Well, actually, I think that would be a minor point.
Speaker 6: They probably don't want us to know the true history.
Speaker 6: That's that's been proven in many many ways, like trying
Speaker 6: to hide all the giant skeletons at the Smithsonian because
Speaker 6: they don't want people to know that that really is
Speaker 6: something that really happened in our in our history. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and I just lost the rest of whatever thought was, Oh,
Speaker 6: that's okay.
Speaker 7: It happens to me all the time. I know exactly what,
Speaker 7: I know, exactly what you mean. That happens to me
Speaker 7: all literally all the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, Yeah, it's Uh, you'll be in the
Speaker 4: middle of a thought and it just kind of yeah,
Speaker 4: I know that happens when.
Speaker 6: You have two or three thoughts in a row and
Speaker 6: when you get the thought number three, you go, oh,
Speaker 6: I forgot what thought?
Speaker 4: What that one was?
Speaker 6: You know, it's if you stick to one subject at
Speaker 6: a time, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, here, uh make sure okay, do you uh.
Speaker 7: Okay, do you believe the aniar Treaty kind of house
Speaker 7: research or do you believe it kind of restricts independent investigation?
Speaker 7: And I referred just when they say you can't fly
Speaker 7: over Antarctica, do you believe they're doing that for for
Speaker 7: on purpose so people will discover what's going on there?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? Yeah, there's supposed to be an opening that you
Speaker 6: you know, would not the one I found, but would
Speaker 6: take you right into the interior of Antarctica. And that's
Speaker 6: been a mill flies on, I think, for an awful
Speaker 6: long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, h one one. Uh have you looked into the
Speaker 4: pull shift at all?
Speaker 7: And Karen Karen wanted to know, well, do you believe,
Speaker 7: like the world you said that things are kind of
Speaker 7: warming up?
Speaker 4: Do you believe might be going through a pull shift
Speaker 4: as well? There's been a.
Speaker 6: Slow poll shift going on throughout our lifetime, and you
Speaker 6: can actually, in fact, I remember posting it on the
Speaker 6: website at some point where you can actually track and
Speaker 6: see where the polar north has has moved. So when
Speaker 6: it's a slow process, we aren't consciously feeling it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's it's uh, it's it's it's it's uh.
Speaker 6: That's what we're undergoing. Now. I'm not saying that there
Speaker 6: might not have been something terribly dramatic in our ancient
Speaker 6: past that it would explain why. You know, a mast
Speaker 6: it on I think, and I don't know Siberia or
Speaker 6: someplace like that was found instantly killed and it still
Speaker 6: had when they found it, it still had a fresh
Speaker 6: flower or plant in its mouth. That's how quickly it died.
Speaker 6: Now that would indicate perhaps a very major.
Speaker 4: Pull shift. Wow. Oh yeah, I would, I would say, so,
Speaker 4: yeah absolutely yeah.
Speaker 6: Like and also there's fossils of in Antarctica and it
Speaker 6: was found by I think it was the University of Wisconsin,
Speaker 6: but I'm not sure I have the university in my
Speaker 6: head clear. But they went down there and they found
Speaker 6: fossils that would only be from you know, tropical forest.
Speaker 4: Wow. Like Okay, Now, let's talk about.
Speaker 6: Uh, well, let me go back to what that woman
Speaker 6: was saying. Yeah, absolutely, there's been something terribly dramatic that's
Speaker 6: happened in our ancient past, or we wouldn't have those
Speaker 6: quick changes like in Antarctica or with the with the bison. So,
Speaker 6: but that's not what we're experiencing right now. We're we're
Speaker 6: having this very slow moving of the polar North.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then moving through the Moon. What kind of
Speaker 4: convinced you that there might be official structures or basis
Speaker 4: on them? Does just go back to spy in the.
Speaker 6: Sky You've got garbled say it again.
Speaker 4: What first convinced you that there might be artificial structures
Speaker 4: or bases.
Speaker 1: On the moon.
Speaker 6: Well, well, let me tell you something that I found
Speaker 6: myself using Google Earth. And then you asked me that
Speaker 6: question again, and I started using Google Earth. I didn't
Speaker 6: expect to find one thing, because for decades now they
Speaker 6: have been notorious about blurring away and burning up and
Speaker 6: destroying evidence of structures on the backside of the Moon.
Speaker 6: And some of the testimony comes from really very competent people.
Speaker 6: I'm thinking of Donna Hare.
Speaker 4: She was.
Speaker 6: I believe she was, as they say, made un alive,
Speaker 6: and she was one of the first people who really
Speaker 6: went public. She went on the radio before podcast, and
Speaker 6: she was on a major radio station in Washington, d C.
Speaker 6: And talked about how NASA was always airbrushing away evidence
Speaker 6: of structures on the Moon. And another story that she
Speaker 6: shared was she was at an office off campus and
Speaker 6: one of the people who worked at NASA came in
Speaker 6: and he had a big gash on his head and
Speaker 6: she asked him about it, and he had been assigned
Speaker 6: the job of burning UFO photos. Well, he stopped and
Speaker 6: took too much time looking at some of these, and
Speaker 6: they had a guard guarding him, and so when he
Speaker 6: stopped to look at these things too closely, or even
Speaker 6: stopped to look at him, he was whacked over the
Speaker 6: head with a rifle butt.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I know.
Speaker 6: And Donna Hare she'd gotten awards. She was a photo
Speaker 6: technician of some sort, she was an artist. She a very,
Speaker 6: very credible person. And when I did a recent story
Speaker 6: about Dan Willis most likely being killed by a fast
Speaker 6: growing cancer, and he's well known in the fields I follow,
Speaker 6: and he named her and two other men who had
Speaker 6: been killed because of being whistleblowers. So their secrets. They
Speaker 6: don't want us to know their secrets, and I think
Speaker 6: many of their secrets go way beyond what we might imagine,
Speaker 6: or way beyond a typical sci fi movie. You just
Speaker 6: can't believe some of the things that humankind wants.
Speaker 4: To do well.
Speaker 7: This kind of goes into your relationship with the astronaut
Speaker 7: Clark Leowen and like his connection with to Werner von Braun.
Speaker 7: Like for people that don't know I've interviewed Mary in
Speaker 7: the past that we talked about this man named Clark McLellan.
Speaker 7: He was a nass astronaut and he was kind of
Speaker 7: like a whistleblower. Did you want to talk I think
Speaker 7: it might be important to talk about him too, and
Speaker 7: what he knew.
Speaker 4: And like I agree with you.
Speaker 7: About Dan Willis, you know, like I think Dan Willis
Speaker 7: was working on free energy and he was gonna I mean,
Speaker 7: I kind of got an email. I can't say much,
Speaker 7: but like I think Dan was working on free energy,
Speaker 7: So some of this I feel like ties into free energy,
Speaker 7: Like you know, I think it's like but like you said,
Speaker 7: I think it goes way beyond that. I think they're
Speaker 7: he is some kind of space program out there as well. Too,
Speaker 7: or something that they don't want us to know about,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 6: And one of the things that's really really surprised me
Speaker 6: was I got a message on my Facebook page from
Speaker 6: Dan Willis. Now he's never communicated with me before. This
Speaker 6: was eighteen days before he died. And so if you
Speaker 6: go to my website skyshiftsovercasters dot com, I think still
Speaker 6: the most recent stories are listed on the right hand side,
Speaker 6: it should still be in that recent category. And he
Speaker 6: doesn't talk about free energy at all. Everybody that he
Speaker 6: mentions he believes were killed because of things they knew
Speaker 6: about UFOs.
Speaker 7: And I'm sure you've seen this too. You've seen the
Speaker 7: disappearing of these scientists like Amy I can't remember Amy
Speaker 7: Aktwer or whatever name is. And then Neil McCaslin was like,
Speaker 7: he was like, say just to it seemed like they
Speaker 7: were all dealing with some kind of advanced propulsion or
Speaker 7: something like that.
Speaker 6: And there's two things that could be could be happening.
Speaker 6: They if these people who are taken will agree to
Speaker 6: help who's ever taking them, then they may be still
Speaker 6: alive and being used for what they know because we're
Speaker 6: not finding.
Speaker 4: Bodies, right. Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, that's a.
Speaker 6: Real possibility because they have such knowledge and somebody else
Speaker 6: wants it. So you're not going to kill a source
Speaker 6: of good information unless they're absolutely not not going to
Speaker 6: cooperate with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, did you feel that was the case with
Speaker 4: David Wilcock as well?
Speaker 6: I have such mixed feelings about him, I do. He
Speaker 6: came on so strong when he first made the public scene.
Speaker 6: He was telling everybody he thought he was Edgar Casey reincarnated. Well,
Speaker 6: even Edgar Casey in his own writings said that you
Speaker 6: would not reincarnate until much after this time, you know.
Speaker 6: And I think he tried to make a lot of
Speaker 6: hay out of that, and it always made me just
Speaker 6: a little bit suspicious of what was going on with David.
Speaker 6: But David very well could have been harassed to death.
Speaker 6: Let's say, I think you can drive somebody slowly crazy
Speaker 6: and you know they'll take their own life.
Speaker 4: That's a good point.
Speaker 7: And do you think it seemed like he was receiving
Speaker 7: a lot of online harassment as well too.
Speaker 6: You know, I think he got it really bad, That's
Speaker 6: what I understand.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Wow, it's sad, you know, because it's like I don't
Speaker 7: think anybody should be bothered like that to a point
Speaker 7: to where it makes them want to take their own life.
Speaker 4: That's actually that's really like, you know, that's that's really great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but there's so many peopleeople who are at the
Speaker 6: top tiers of controlling what goes on in the world
Speaker 6: that seemed to be totally amoral. You know, they know
Speaker 6: what they want, they and if they can't get it,
Speaker 6: they're going to find enough way to get it, and
Speaker 6: if you get in their way, well so be it.
Speaker 6: You're gone. And there's too many people right now that
Speaker 6: have that view of the world.
Speaker 8: It seems like a want of people like, you know,
Speaker 8: they want to they want to It seems to me, Marry,
Speaker 8: like they want to cover up the truth and they
Speaker 8: don't want and they want to cover up any sentiments
Speaker 8: of real truth and just roll out whatever they want
Speaker 8: people to believe.
Speaker 4: Right, you know, right, Yeah, Well that's what it seems like,
Speaker 4: you know, And maybe that's why maybe I'm gonna get
Speaker 4: back on track.
Speaker 6: You had asked about Clark McClellan and the connection with
Speaker 6: Warner von Braun. Clark was trained as an astronaut, but
Speaker 6: he worked at mission control and because he was trained
Speaker 6: as an astronaut, he would be able to if there
Speaker 6: was a problem, he would be able to help in
Speaker 6: ways that other people might not be able to. But
Speaker 6: he and Werner von Braun became friends because they had
Speaker 6: a lot of common interest. And Werner von Braun would
Speaker 6: go to Florida, which is where Clark McClellan was, and
Speaker 6: whenever there would be a conference or a meeting or whatever,
Speaker 6: and the two of them would go off down to
Speaker 6: the beach or under an umbrella out by the pool
Speaker 6: or something away from everybody else, just so they could talk.
Speaker 6: And Clark learned an awful lot from Werner von Braun,
Speaker 6: and that's a pretty good source for some of this
Speaker 6: information regarding the German influence in our space program.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you think was going? What do you
Speaker 4: what do you think Clark saw?
Speaker 6: I think, oh, I can tell you what he saw.
Speaker 6: He was at mission control. There's monitors that they keep watching,
Speaker 6: and on this monitor that was aimed at the open
Speaker 6: bay of the Shuttle was a tall et with two
Speaker 6: astronauts who were tethered so they wouldn't float off, and
Speaker 6: in the background you could see the small craft that
Speaker 6: the et had arrived in so he saw them talking
Speaker 6: out there. Well, he he talked about it with people
Speaker 6: that he knew, and they didn't want him saying anything,
Speaker 6: and he ended up losing his job, losing his benefits.
Speaker 6: He died pretty much poor as a poor man. That's
Speaker 6: how much power they can, you know, And this is
Speaker 6: why a lot of people shut up.
Speaker 4: They know the extent.
Speaker 6: Of aggravation that can be poured upon them. So it
Speaker 6: takes a lot of courage to be a whistleblower.
Speaker 4: I agree, I agree, and and.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to get into politics. But that's also
Speaker 6: why many of our politicians are being spineless and speaking
Speaker 6: up about things that they know, because not only have
Speaker 6: they been threatened, but they're sometimes their families have been threatened.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, there's a there's two people in Congress
Speaker 7: that are kind of fighting for uh right now.
Speaker 4: I don't even want to give them a shot. I
Speaker 4: even tried to say.
Speaker 7: I did an interview with someone who is a target
Speaker 7: individual's names Tommy Edwards, and then, you know, I felt
Speaker 7: like Tommy was good to speak out about what's going
Speaker 7: on about targeting and MK Ultra, So I sent the
Speaker 7: the link to Anna Paulina Luna and I said it
Speaker 7: to timber Chat.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they ever got it, but like
Speaker 4: I I've tagged them on.
Speaker 7: Twitter on X, you know, and I don't have a
Speaker 7: huge balling on X, but I still tag them because
Speaker 7: they're only there are those two. They seem like they're
Speaker 7: really interested in in UFO disclosure, but they're also interested
Speaker 7: in what happened with MK Ultra, and that's important to
Speaker 7: me because I like the fact that they're stepping up
Speaker 7: in there.
Speaker 4: You know. Also I heard Lauren Bobert, who's.
Speaker 7: A Democrat, which was like, you know, if that if
Speaker 7: it is bipartisan like that, that would be great because
Speaker 7: I think we need to end the whole partisan stuff
Speaker 7: left and right.
Speaker 6: And when it comes to a subject like this, absolutely yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. Yeah. But going back and did Clark
Speaker 4: see anything else? Did he see UFOs a lot? Did
Speaker 4: he have a lot of ufone Connors mclones? Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: And I.
Speaker 6: Wish my memory could pull up all the information for you.
Speaker 6: I did an article and also spoke about it on
Speaker 6: some podcasts about one of his friends who was also
Speaker 6: an astronaut who landed on the moon and he saw
Speaker 6: things for sure, and when you want to get into
Speaker 6: something like this again, go to skyshiftsovercashres dot com and
Speaker 6: look under witness Testimonies. A lot of those kind of
Speaker 6: stories are in there.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And I will say, guys, you've got to
Speaker 4: follow Mary on her website.
Speaker 7: She puts out updates and she'll send out newsletters and
Speaker 7: they are awesome. Like every time you send out a newsletter,
Speaker 7: you always have an interesting art article.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, it's never not interesting, you know what I mean?
Speaker 6: Like you always It's because I get bored hearing the
Speaker 6: same thing over and over again. And I think a
Speaker 6: lot of other people do too. And so when I
Speaker 6: can find anything that I find, uh find interesting myself
Speaker 6: that everybody else hasn't already blasted through in every possible direction, Uh,
Speaker 6: that's the way I prefer to go.
Speaker 4: I like that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, have you posted anything recent that you want to share,
Speaker 7: like before we get back into the moon that like
Speaker 7: you think would be really coolder to talk about?
Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
Speaker 4: I can tell you.
Speaker 6: I think you just put out ones were the ones
Speaker 6: about the little person. Uh, you know, finally coming out
Speaker 6: with that story and with certain groups of people, that's
Speaker 6: really big news because you don't usually see little people.
Speaker 6: Let me jump back into that again. There was there's
Speaker 6: a couple that lives on the top of a mountain
Speaker 6: on a ridge like two ridges away from where I am,
Speaker 6: and they had a wildlife camera set up by their
Speaker 6: driveway into their home and a bird set it off
Speaker 6: and in the background there was a little person that
Speaker 6: was caught simply because that bird turned on the camera.
Speaker 6: So that happened since the book came out, too. Now
Speaker 6: there's lots of don't it sounds like everything's happened since
Speaker 6: the book. But there's a lot of information in that book.
Speaker 4: About er maybe too cherokey. Little people are too you know,
Speaker 4: like the you know, it might be a you know,
Speaker 4: people seem to like that little people talk. You know,
Speaker 4: it's a it's it's sort of like, yeah, I agree
Speaker 4: with you, I agree with you.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well one thing I went before we one more
Speaker 7: thing I want to ask you before we get back
Speaker 7: into the mood. And you may not have a lot
Speaker 7: of recollection of this because it like for you guys
Speaker 7: that don't know for the audience. Mary was an investigative
Speaker 7: journalist her whole life and she's written for newspapers and
Speaker 7: stuff like that.
Speaker 4: There was a time where you were investigating the mob, right, like,
Speaker 4: you remember that? My goodness, do you remember? Yeah, because
Speaker 4: I've talked to you so many times. Yeah, And you
Speaker 4: know I like your story, so it's interesting. Yeah.
Speaker 6: You got to remember when I was doing these stories,
Speaker 6: I was a lot younger. You could get away with
Speaker 6: a lot more when you're younger. We went to bars
Speaker 6: where the bad guys hang hung out. I would stick
Speaker 6: out like a sore thumb, now if I did that.
Speaker 6: But one of the stories that will never be a
Speaker 6: race from my memory was we were investigating a story
Speaker 6: where the mob had beat up a man so badly
Speaker 6: that his feet were pointed in the opposite direction.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 6: We went to meet with his parents. His parents lived
Speaker 6: above a liquor store. Now mind you, I'm there with
Speaker 6: our head investigator and I was the editor, and we're
Speaker 6: going up the side stairs.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 6: You have the bar or the liquor store in front
Speaker 6: a side stairway, and then you turn and the entrance
Speaker 6: to their apartment was from the back at the second level.
Speaker 6: So we knock on the door. They opened it, and
Speaker 6: they let us in, and all of a sudden, a
Speaker 6: man appears from down the hallway with a gun pointed
Speaker 6: right at us. At that point, I still had a
Speaker 6: badge in my purse, which I only had because for
Speaker 6: a short time I worked in the courts, but not
Speaker 6: a long time. And I said, I figured out that
Speaker 6: he thought we were part of the bad team or
Speaker 6: the bad guys. I said, okay, and I went real slowly.
Speaker 6: I want to show you something. And I reached him
Speaker 6: and I showed him the badge, and he immediately put
Speaker 6: the gun away.
Speaker 4: He thought we were like a press badge or something
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, was it a.
Speaker 4: Press badge or like a like a law enforcement bad
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 6: I worked in the courts, so it was a legal
Speaker 6: type of badge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's cool. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So anyhow, and the only reason I had that job
Speaker 6: is I ran the campaign for a judge who won
Speaker 6: and he he knew I could type, so I got
Speaker 6: to be his temporary court recorder.
Speaker 7: Wow, it seems like you've experienced a lot in your
Speaker 7: time being an investigative journalist, between the UFOs and the
Speaker 7: mob and Bigfoot and everything else.
Speaker 6: Right, it's curiosity. We'll get you some strange places.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Do you guys have a lot of sightings in
Speaker 7: North Carolina still and that's why you call it Skygetserver Cashiers, Right.
Speaker 6: Well, we started it because there were a whole lot
Speaker 6: of UFO sidings over Cashiers, which is a small village
Speaker 6: at the top of one of the mountains here in
Speaker 6: western North Carolina. The website has grown way beyond that.
Speaker 6: You know, at the beginning, we were just like constantly,
Speaker 6: absolutely intrigued with every little UFO that went flying by.
Speaker 6: Nobody wants to see those things over and over again.
Speaker 6: You know, they all begin to look the same, and
Speaker 6: you don't need to see twenty of them to believe
Speaker 6: in something. And so I've just expanded the website to
Speaker 6: go way beyond that, so we get into the bigfoot
Speaker 6: of the little people, all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 7: And that's a good question to fall up, like what
Speaker 7: do you think of this recent government disclosure?
Speaker 4: Do you feel like, here's.
Speaker 6: Why don't They're never going to show us very much
Speaker 6: at all. It's a bunch of these little tic TACs
Speaker 6: and stuff that's nothing. The stuff that they're really trying
Speaker 6: to hide. It's going to take a boatload of dynamite
Speaker 6: to get them to part with it. So we're just
Speaker 6: they're just kind of scratching off a little bit of
Speaker 6: the top surface of it.
Speaker 4: Do you think that's to deflect from something else that's
Speaker 4: going on in the world.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they're doing well what they're doing. They're doing
Speaker 6: a lot of things behind the scenes. And I'm not
Speaker 6: prepared to talk about it right now, because when you
Speaker 6: talk about things like that, you better have some concrete
Speaker 6: information to back it up. And at this moment, I
Speaker 6: don't have that on the top of my head. But
Speaker 6: there's so much more going on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Also, and also it's really it's gonna scare a lot
Speaker 6: of people. I occasionally get these rants from people who
Speaker 6: are very, very in the box type Christians. I mean,
Speaker 6: the most recent thing was I posted pictures of it,
Speaker 6: like it looks a bit like a brick wall on Mars,
Speaker 6: and it was found by Jene Ward, who is a
Speaker 6: really good Mars researcher. He's constantly looking at old NASA photos. Well,
Speaker 6: I got a rant from somebody that was all about
Speaker 6: God and religion. I'm going, how do you get God
Speaker 6: in religion out of just looking at a brick wall
Speaker 6: on Mars? And I was getting lots of stuff like that,
Speaker 6: so I just killed all the chatter. I'm going if
Speaker 6: people are just going to rant, that's not worth the
Speaker 6: space on my Facebook page, and it's not worth the
Speaker 6: other people's time to even read it, because it's just
Speaker 6: a waste. But yeah, kind of people, those are the
Speaker 6: kind of people. They're going to have a very hard
Speaker 6: time with the things that will be released because the
Speaker 6: ets are going to force us in the not too
Speaker 6: distant future to come face to face with them and
Speaker 6: their reality. And people who are locked in the box
Speaker 6: with their religion are going to have a very hard
Speaker 6: time dealing with it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we have we have a really good crowd tonight.
Speaker 7: We have we have about fifty people watching between Facebook
Speaker 7: and YouTube, but then we have another fifty people.
Speaker 4: Watching on Rumble. So it's really awesome.
Speaker 7: And if you're watching on YouTube or Rumble and you
Speaker 7: haven't let the comment on the rumble chat, go to
Speaker 7: Rumble and my Rumble video and leave a comment in
Speaker 7: the rumble chat. Trust me, it helps because I have
Speaker 7: to get to seventy five unique chat month. I know
Speaker 7: I keep saying that, but like it's important. So we
Speaker 7: are comment in the rumble Chat, not in the comment
Speaker 7: section and the Rumble Chat, so sorry about that, but
Speaker 7: get back to the thing, will.
Speaker 1: Mary.
Speaker 4: What do you think is going on in the moon?
Speaker 4: Do you think it's alien bases? Do you think it's military,
Speaker 4: Do you think it's both?
Speaker 6: Or if you had to say, there was something in
Speaker 6: the news and I only saw the headline, I did
Speaker 6: not have time to really dig into it. Apparently something
Speaker 6: was just dropped within a day or two on the
Speaker 6: Moon and it rang like a bell. And that's happened
Speaker 6: in the past two other times in the past, where
Speaker 6: you know, parts of the delivery system for the landing
Speaker 6: equipment to go to the Moon was dropped on the
Speaker 6: Moon and it made like the sound of a bell,
Speaker 6: a reverb, you know, which indicates its hollow, which indicates
Speaker 6: its metal. So are there's old, old history about the
Speaker 6: moon not always being there, that it suddenly appeared, and
Speaker 6: there are those who talk about it being moved to
Speaker 6: where it is. So there is stuff inside the moon
Speaker 6: and on the back side of the moon. Both he
Speaker 6: froze up and I didn't, So this is strange. Are
Speaker 6: you there, Robert, I can't even see the chat questions,
Speaker 6: So I don't know where to keep going with this one.
Speaker 6: I don't know if you can get comments on up
Speaker 6: on where I can see it. I'm watching, Oh, I'm
Speaker 6: on I don't know where I am anyhow, there's a
Speaker 6: lot going on on the moon. In the moon, and
Speaker 6: has he reappeared? Yeah, I'm there, he is there, he is.
Speaker 6: I don't do well on stage by myself.
Speaker 4: I can't believe we're getting messed with so bad.
Speaker 7: I mean ever, it's like it's like you must have
Speaker 7: information that they don't because we're getting messed with to
Speaker 7: a major, major degree.
Speaker 6: We started off at the very beginning, and I'm going
Speaker 6: to get this in before we lose it again. Go
Speaker 6: to my website, sky shipsovercashers dot com. Cashers is spelled
Speaker 6: like a cashier. Open up editor's corner. It will tell
Speaker 6: you how you can get that book that they don't
Speaker 6: want me to get out there. It's called Spy in
Speaker 6: the Sky and it talks about things on the Moon,
Speaker 6: in Antarctica, at the bottom of the ocean, and on
Speaker 6: Mars and in deep space. And it's mostly a picture book,
Speaker 6: lots and lots and lots of photos, and I encourage
Speaker 6: people to get it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's only dollars.
Speaker 6: I'm this this is not a money making project.
Speaker 4: For me.
Speaker 6: In fact, I lose money on this book, but the
Speaker 6: information is obviously important, are wouldn't be messed with?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I absolutely agree. Yeah. And let's see here,
Speaker 4: what do you believe is going on at the bottom
Speaker 4: of the ocean floor? Do you think same thing like
Speaker 4: alien bases or something like that.
Speaker 6: Well, there's no doubt that there's alien basis bases under
Speaker 6: the ocean, lots of testimony to that. But what I
Speaker 6: found was the remnants of an ancient culture that was
Speaker 6: in the Pacific Ocean, which is really on the shallow
Speaker 6: part of the ocean off the west coasts from Africa,
Speaker 6: not Africa, from Alaska, Canada and the United States down
Speaker 6: to Baja the one that I found, and again these
Speaker 6: are all underwater that I prefer to talk about because
Speaker 6: I found it so unique. There is something that looks
Speaker 6: exactly like a contemporary airport. The runways are the same,
Speaker 6: and in my book, I have a picture of that
Speaker 6: next to a picture of a contemporary airport runway system,
Speaker 6: and they look incredibly similar. The biggest difference is the
Speaker 6: longest runway in the world today is not much past
Speaker 6: three three miles in length. If I remember correctly, This
Speaker 6: particular one I think was eighty nine miles long. That's humongous.
Speaker 6: Everything that I found on the off the west coast
Speaker 6: of this, you know, of these countries, the proportions were huge.
Speaker 6: This indicates to me that there was once probably really
Speaker 6: a nation or a civilization called Lemuria, and that the
Speaker 6: people must have been very, very large in stature, because
Speaker 6: everything that I found indicates humongous size. And that's quite
Speaker 6: different because in the Atlantic it's a sandy bottom and
Speaker 6: I found pyramids. I never found a pyramid in the Pacific,
Speaker 6: only in the Atlantic, so definitely two different cultures. And
Speaker 6: again there's another example of the famous day trying to
Speaker 6: hide stuff. We found two pyramids south of Paradise Island,
Speaker 6: I believe, and once I posted that, it's like somebody
Speaker 6: took a band aid that looked like photographic band aid
Speaker 6: put it right on top of those pyramids so you
Speaker 6: can no longer see them. And in the book I
Speaker 6: fortunately have before and after pictures showing the pyramids and
Speaker 6: then showing how they disappeared.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's the Yeah, Well do you believe that the uh,
Speaker 1: the holders that go with this, Let me think here,
Speaker 1: do you believe.
Speaker 7: Okay, the famous volagist Preston Bennett talked about USO encounters
Speaker 7: off the coast of Santa Catalina Island, like, so, you know,
Speaker 7: it's weird that you would find pyramids on the east
Speaker 7: coast side, but do you believe there might be bases
Speaker 7: or something on the west coast side.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's why he was seeing.
Speaker 6: Et bases are totally different than remnants of ancient civilizations,
Speaker 6: So the Pacific as the mew or Lemuria the ancient culture,
Speaker 6: and Atlantis would be the ancient culture associated with the
Speaker 6: Atlantic Ocean. The bases are in the deep ocean, way
Speaker 6: deep deeper than we could find through Google Earth, because
Speaker 6: you can only penetrate down so far. And there's lots
Speaker 6: of evidence. People are seeing, you know, things popping out
Speaker 6: of the oceans a lot. And one of the witnesses
Speaker 6: is one you wouldn't expect.
Speaker 4: Joan.
Speaker 6: Let's see Joan Ocean. She is the best known dolphin
Speaker 6: expert in the world. She lives in Hawaii and she
Speaker 6: talks about.
Speaker 2: E t.
Speaker 6: I don't know what you want to call them, structures
Speaker 6: underneath the ocean, and she's seen them, and she's just
Speaker 6: such a nice person and such a very credible witness
Speaker 6: and I need to pull her stories up again.
Speaker 4: This is an amazing interview Mary. Yeah, I do. You
Speaker 4: want to tell people where they can find you and
Speaker 4: thank you for doing this. This is awesome.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I sound like a stuck record. You can find
Speaker 6: me two places one sky Shipsovercashers dot com. All the
Speaker 6: words are traditional words. Cashers is spelled like a cashier.
Speaker 6: Sky Shipsovercashers dot com you can find. The homepage looks
Speaker 6: a lot like an index, but every story has photos
Speaker 6: and maps and very very visual and everything that I
Speaker 6: do because most people get bored if they just see
Speaker 6: written words and nothing else. The visual part is very important.
Speaker 6: Then I have a Facebook page and it's just Mary Joyce.
Speaker 6: I also have my old Facebook page, Mary A. Joyce
Speaker 6: with the initials that was severely hacked. I've never been
Speaker 6: able to get back into it. Haven't been able to
Speaker 6: solve the problem, so I just started a new one.
Speaker 6: But again it's just Mary Joyce and that gets updated
Speaker 6: on a regular basis.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well, yeah, I love this interview. This was really
Speaker 7: fun and yeah, thank you for being a part of
Speaker 7: this today. I always enjoy our conversations. And yeah, I
Speaker 7: guess I will talk to you soon and I look
Speaker 7: forward to your anything else you come out with me.
Speaker 4: Mary.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Okay, I hope after I get off you
Speaker 6: have no more technical difficulties.
Speaker 4: That's episode two. Thank you. Have a nice night, all right,
Speaker 4: all right, thank you.