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<v Speaker 1>The psychic and mental abilities go beyond the physical. So

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<v Speaker 1>I do I I have begun to think that this

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<v Speaker 1>gate training and exposure really is to to just prepare

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<v Speaker 1>assets intelligence assets on that spooky level for their entire lifetime.

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<v Speaker 2>I one agree with that. I think that that is

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what it is. And the thing about it is

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<v Speaker 2>is that they don't even really know. That's that's the

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<v Speaker 2>whole point of the operation is to get people recruited

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<v Speaker 2>in have them working for you, and they don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, unwitting, You're you're you're unwitting. One of the things

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<v Speaker 1>they can do, for example, is they can pour a

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<v Speaker 1>language into your head and in a very very short order,

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<v Speaker 1>make you fluent in a language, send you off operationally

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<v Speaker 1>where you're using that language. You come back, they put

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<v Speaker 1>you under and under hypnosis, they do the debriefing. You

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<v Speaker 1>do that debriefing in the language, and then they bring

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<v Speaker 1>you out a bit and you know, classic Manchurian candidate stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't remember that.

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<v Speaker 3>And so what they decided that they needed to do

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<v Speaker 3>is they needed to go find people who are psychic,

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<v Speaker 3>people who have psychic capabilities of telepathic communication.

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<v Speaker 1>And esp etc.

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<v Speaker 3>And so they go and they try to recruit them.

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<v Speaker 3>And what they found out is that they didn't dare

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<v Speaker 3>recruit full adults because they would tell about it and

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't want to sign a non disclosure agreement and

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<v Speaker 3>then they go tell somebody. So what they did is

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<v Speaker 3>they went after children.

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<v Speaker 1>One three.

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<v Speaker 3>This evening is titled The Children and the CIA. Tonight

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<v Speaker 3>we'll learn of the agency's interest in children.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of the gate program where I was pulled out

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<v Speaker 1>of the room by a guy in a suit.

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<v Speaker 2>I went in and did like the different like tones

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<v Speaker 2>in the leftier tones in the right ear different, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>raising your.

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<v Speaker 1>Hand in these weird things they had kids do is

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<v Speaker 1>the strange liquid that your pin rink, that pintrin that

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<v Speaker 1>they're always shoting down.

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<v Speaker 2>So to really understand what I'm talking about, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to go back to nineteen fifty eight. It's a spot neck.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen fifty eight marked the first time government became involved

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<v Speaker 2>with public school. With this new policy came identifying gifted

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<v Speaker 2>and talented children, who's.

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<v Speaker 3>Gifted, who's talented, and taking them out and giving them

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<v Speaker 3>different education.

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<v Speaker 2>What that different education is cuts back to the draw interest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet you should be hearing my voice in your right

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<v Speaker 1>ear until I heard those Gateway tapes and I was like, whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>this is very very similar.

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<v Speaker 2>These gate programs are grooming with people to take roles

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<v Speaker 2>in society.

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<v Speaker 3>Entertainers, corporate owners, politicians.

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<v Speaker 1>Discussed the fact that Charlie was indeed a gifted child

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<v Speaker 1>who went to a literal children's school for the gifted.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're looking at you long before that. They are

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<v Speaker 1>looking at you from childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>The Thuds have a record file on every single child

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<v Speaker 2>from preschool to your career. Your Laxation program by Thomas H. Bodinski, PhD.

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<v Speaker 1>Here they are? Could they and would they have just

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<v Speaker 1>advanced to making psychics.

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<v Speaker 2>By testing for esp abilities?

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<v Speaker 1>You could go to Gary places with that.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know anybody else that has the task? I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know anybody else in the program. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they have a front for a front for a front.

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<v Speaker 1>So what are they covering up?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you believe that this could have been?

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<v Speaker 1>But absolutely, you're not crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>The government really was doing psychic testing on children, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to prove it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're finally starting out. I should be hearing my voice.

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<v Speaker 1>You should be hearing my voice. You should be hearing

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<v Speaker 1>my voice. In your right ear them.

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<v Speaker 2>Walter Bosley, welcome back to the show. It's good to

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<v Speaker 2>see you. How are things.

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<v Speaker 1>Going, great, writer, It's always good to be here. Just

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<v Speaker 1>surviving this heat wave like everybody else.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hear that. It's pretty it's getting hot kind

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<v Speaker 2>of everywhere at the moment. But oh yeah, all over

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<v Speaker 2>approaching the end of August. There is probably gonna start

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<v Speaker 2>cooling down anytime soon. So but yeah, we got the

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<v Speaker 2>new movie out. It is available on Amazon Prime. You

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<v Speaker 2>were a part of the movie. You were in the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>and but that aside of you being in the movie,

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<v Speaker 2>what were your initial impressions from watching it? What did

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<v Speaker 2>you think about it?

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<v Speaker 1>I really I liked it once again, you know, another

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<v Speaker 1>good one. And I like how you at least from

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<v Speaker 1>my perspective, it's kind of the first half you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>to the r V people and you know, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>setting up and telling the story of that, and then

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<v Speaker 1>that second half you know, getting you know, really into

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<v Speaker 1>the Gate program. It's it's almost like it's you get

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<v Speaker 1>two and one. Yet they you know, have their their

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<v Speaker 1>direct connection, you know. So so I really like the

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<v Speaker 1>speaking from a filmmaker structural perspective. But you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>talked with the I mean, you really got access to,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, some good sources on that that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>people that you know, you don't always see like some

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<v Speaker 1>of one of the r vers. I don't think I've

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<v Speaker 1>seen him on anything in years.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know the fact that you were able to

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<v Speaker 4>talk with those guys, you know, I think that's kind

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<v Speaker 4>of the you know, it's the going to the source

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<v Speaker 4>because there's so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Popular hubbub about these programs, right and that there's there

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<v Speaker 1>in mythology grows up around that. That what I like

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<v Speaker 1>about it is that you present it, you know, as

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<v Speaker 1>you usually do. You go to the source. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's I think it's a good one and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it in a way augments Clockwork Shining and

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<v Speaker 1>you know some of the other ones you've done so

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<v Speaker 1>very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely when it comes to the MK Ultra programs and

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<v Speaker 2>you know what was going on there, because that's a

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<v Speaker 2>very interesting aspect of this and the mk Ultra subprojects

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<v Speaker 2>pertaining to you know, psychic and ESP research and you

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<v Speaker 2>know the subproject I believe it was eighty three and

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<v Speaker 2>then Subproject one thirty six was for psychic testing and

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<v Speaker 2>ESP discovering that and like there was an entire project

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<v Speaker 2>just for that. And then we show in the movie

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<v Speaker 2>where Subproject one thirty six directly talks about psychic testing

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<v Speaker 2>on children. So I'm like, oh, wow, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>it is all really connected. But I think that, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>some people might be getting confused about, you know, all

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<v Speaker 2>of the programs, because there's three different distinct programs that

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<v Speaker 2>we really talk including mk ulture in there, which is

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<v Speaker 2>the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit which ran from nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>eight up until nineteen ninety nine and that was shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we had the Monroe Institute.

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<v Speaker 2>Gateway Project or Gateway Program or Gateway Experience right there,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's a completely separate program, even though that is

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<v Speaker 2>related in that Army personnel. Army Intelligence sent Army personnel

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<v Speaker 2>to the Monroe Institute to study under Robert Monroe to

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<v Speaker 2>find out if going outside of your body is somehow

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<v Speaker 2>related to remote viewing or if it could be used

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<v Speaker 2>to help somebody remote view. Then we have the gate

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<v Speaker 2>Public School Gifted and Talented Education Program, which is no

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<v Speaker 2>way connected to the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit other than

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<v Speaker 2>it may have some things to do with psychic abilities

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<v Speaker 2>and testing.

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<v Speaker 1>And recruiting, you know, down the road. It's like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this individual was as a kid, was in the Gate program,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is what we have on them. Okay, now

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<v Speaker 1>let's see if they're worth Let's see what they're doing

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<v Speaker 1>now and see if they'll take to this remote viewing

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<v Speaker 1>right based on what we know, what we collected on

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<v Speaker 1>them from the gate breaking, which is essentially my perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>from what my mentor my uncle told me. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he he got me into what he got me into.

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<v Speaker 1>And I first learned about r V from him in

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<v Speaker 1>the mid eighties, but he had told me, of course

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<v Speaker 1>I had been in the Gate program, So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's from my perspective. It's potential recruitment, is how you

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<v Speaker 1>to And I think.

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<v Speaker 2>You even mentioned in the movie, or maybe I cut

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<v Speaker 2>it out. I can't remember. I have to rewatch it again,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least in our interview you talk about how

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<v Speaker 2>the gay program might be relevant to identify people better

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<v Speaker 2>for remote viewing. I had that clipped out of your interview,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can't remember if I actually put it into

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<v Speaker 2>the movie or not. But I do remember you saying

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<v Speaker 2>that the gay program might have been used to identify

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<v Speaker 2>people better to for remote viewing. Yeah, and I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>but but those three programs, you know, someone can sit

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<v Speaker 2>down and watch it and inevitably get confused and think

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<v Speaker 2>that they're all a part of one big program. But

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<v Speaker 2>they're not. They're all different programs, and they're all, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>different units. And you know, the millions of kids I've

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<v Speaker 2>been through the Gate program, I mean, since you were

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<v Speaker 2>in it, that would that was the early sixties. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we show in the movie that MGM. Mintally Gifted Minors

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<v Speaker 2>was a program that started, I believe in sixty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I was in it. I started kindergarten in

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<v Speaker 1>sixty seven, first grade and sixty eight, so I recall

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<v Speaker 1>going through it first grade through part of first Gate,

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<v Speaker 1>first grade through fourth grade, and fourth grade for me,

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<v Speaker 1>I no third grade. Sorry confusion because I'm thinking back

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<v Speaker 1>all those years we're talking, you know, early seventies. By

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<v Speaker 1>the summer of seventy three, we moved to West Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>for a couple of years, and apparently there was none

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<v Speaker 1>of it back there. So it was all when I

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<v Speaker 1>was in California, which is really interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that school that you went to and that you

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<v Speaker 2>were in the Gate program. Was it close to an

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<v Speaker 2>air Force base, because we know that your dad worked

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<v Speaker 2>at for the Air Force at that time. Was that

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<v Speaker 2>on an air Force base?

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<v Speaker 1>It was not on it. Well, my dad was out

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<v Speaker 1>of the Air Force before I was born. March air

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<v Speaker 1>Force Base. It was in Riverside. It was at Foothill

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<v Speaker 1>Elementary and Riverside that's where I finished third grade and

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<v Speaker 1>did all of fourth Foothill Elementary in specifically a little

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<v Speaker 1>community called Arlington in Riverside, California, and March Air Force

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<v Speaker 1>Base is there. But when I started elementary school at

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<v Speaker 1>Casey Elementary in Roalto, that's essentially that's in the Sanmernadino

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<v Speaker 1>Valley and what used to be Norton Air Force Base

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<v Speaker 1>which is now Samernardino Airport, that was an air Force base.

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<v Speaker 1>So both towns were Air Force towns. And when we

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<v Speaker 1>moved to West Virginia for just a couple of years,

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<v Speaker 1>there's no known you know, there was no military base

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<v Speaker 1>in that area, but it was mineral Wells. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>Woody Dernberger, Mothman, Indrid Cold the heart of all of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Interestingly enough, so if there was any MGM or GATE

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<v Speaker 1>program monitoring going on. I don't recall being pulled out

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<v Speaker 1>of the classroom during fifth and sixth grade while in

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<v Speaker 1>West Virginia that time. So and then by junior high

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<v Speaker 1>I had returned to we'd returned to California, up to

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<v Speaker 1>U Kaipa, which is just right up the road from

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<v Speaker 1>where I'm at now. Again essentially in the vicinity the

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<v Speaker 1>air Force base was still open. It was open till

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineties as an Air Force base. And then

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<v Speaker 1>my mentor started working on me when I was towards

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<v Speaker 1>the end of high school. So it's kind of a

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<v Speaker 1>you could say, maybe I was passed off from gate

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<v Speaker 2>That's so odd because I basically speculated with Katie Page

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<v Speaker 2>because I haven't been able to really I didn't like

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<v Speaker 2>verify this or not, but I, you know, had the

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<v Speaker 2>thought that a lot of these main gate schools are

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<v Speaker 2>probably located next to air Force base or some military

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<v Speaker 2>base in general, is in the vicinity of a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of these gay program schools.

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<v Speaker 1>And there we have both elementary schools that I experienced

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<v Speaker 1>this in Air Force baces right there. And you know

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<v Speaker 1>what's even to add something more interesting even to it,

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<v Speaker 1>Norton Air Force Base. I learned years later it of course,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the home of the Audio Visual Command, and

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<v Speaker 1>that is the base, and that is the building where

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<v Speaker 1>the flight line and you know see what was the

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<v Speaker 1>base now of the airport, but Norton Air Force Base

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<v Speaker 1>right here that I'm talking about. That's where Linda Moulton

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<v Speaker 1>Howe and I think both and Jock Valet both were

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<v Speaker 1>invited to watch and maybe at different times or I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember if it was together and they saw the

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<v Speaker 1>hollm And Air Force Base film. Apparently I'm trying to remember.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what story she told, and that was right

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<v Speaker 1>here at Norton. And I had learned years after that that,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the Roswell lore, at one time the Roswell

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<v Speaker 1>craft was held at Norton right here, which I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this was just I want to say, I learned this

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<v Speaker 1>ten years ago, and I'm thinking, wow, all these years

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<v Speaker 1>I've been into this stuff, all these years I've been

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<v Speaker 1>around this base. I had never heard that before. And

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<v Speaker 1>on top of that, if you remember the late Mark McCandlish,

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<v Speaker 1>Reproduction view, I think it's called. His source told him

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<v Speaker 1>that when the source saw the ARV. I believe his

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<v Speaker 1>source told him it was at Norton when he saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I had no idea that Norton Air Force Base,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I'd learned about Avis, you know, and seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the people seeing the Holloman film there allegedly, I didn't realize,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, until ten years ago, that Norton has set

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<v Speaker 1>such a connection to the UFO lore and UFO world.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you think about Edward's Air Force Base is

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<v Speaker 1>just by military jet literally five minutes up and down Norton,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a test base and it has all the

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<v Speaker 1>classified stuff. Years later I had access to it. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't surprise me now when I you know, my

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<v Speaker 1>awareness that the technology testing, you know, being up in

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<v Speaker 1>the high desert, it makes sense that Norton would have

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<v Speaker 1>some connection to that. So for what that's worth, there's

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<v Speaker 1>spooky stuff that has gone on at Norton, that went

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<v Speaker 1>on at Norton. I still call it that because being

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<v Speaker 1>in a former Air Force insider, my view is what

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<v Speaker 1>I know about that base. I still argue that there's

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<v Speaker 1>there has to be a US Air Force presence still

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<v Speaker 1>there somehow, because it is a site that Air Force

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<v Speaker 1>One can land at right here in view of my house. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>if weather is screwed up. We live in a weird

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<v Speaker 1>pocket here in San Bernardino Valley. And one of the

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<v Speaker 1>benefits of Norton Air Force Base if all the other

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<v Speaker 1>air bases and airports are socked in because of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>oddly enough from California weather, we don't get the weather here.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I live here and I've watched rain hit

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<v Speaker 1>Redlands to the south and off to the east, into

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<v Speaker 1>the mountains here to the north, and into the west

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<v Speaker 1>farther west in the valley, and we right here it's

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<v Speaker 1>called East Highland. We're not getting the weather. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>where Norton is. So it's this weird clear weather pocket

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<v Speaker 1>that can be relied upon. So if Air Force one

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<v Speaker 1>has this on its list as an emergency landing spot,

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<v Speaker 1>my money is that there's always some Air Force presence

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<v Speaker 1>representation here at San Bernardino International Airport and it could

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<v Speaker 1>be reactivated to a military base just on command if

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<v Speaker 1>need be. So you know, there's that, but it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be a fancy spooky base for the spooky

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<v Speaker 1>stuff to have a presence. So what you're saying is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what Katie said, funny thing, there's an Air

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<v Speaker 1>Force base nearby. Okay, it could be complete logistics and

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<v Speaker 1>supply right, and yet there can still be space afforded

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<v Speaker 1>for the spooky stuff. So yes, I agree that that's significant.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, another really interesting part about this, Oh sorry, didn't

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<v Speaker 2>mean to cut you off.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I was just finishing a trailing off there.

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<v Speaker 2>Within the movie we talked about this a gentleman named

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas H. Bodinski, and this is connected to some spooky

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<v Speaker 2>things out of Area fifty one where he worked at

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<v Speaker 2>Area fifty one, he was a navigational engineer for the

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<v Speaker 2>SR seventy one Blackbird. Yeah, and then he goes to

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado and starts this io feedback institute called the Twilight

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<v Speaker 2>Learner Program, which is really really strange and interesting. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems like that a lot of people have like a

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<v Speaker 2>fascination with space and then they get involved in like psychology.

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<v Speaker 2>But this Twilight Learner program essentially is like a self

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<v Speaker 2>hypnosis program. You're you're like learning to self hypnotize yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And according to what Katie Page talked about that those

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<v Speaker 2>Twilight Learner which we listened to in the movie. She

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<v Speaker 2>has the original tape. She's probably one of the only

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<v Speaker 2>people that still has access to these tapes. They're not online.

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<v Speaker 2>They're very rare that you could even find these, and

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<v Speaker 2>she has them. She said when she would remember listening

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<v Speaker 2>to them and going into the to the Sae Badinsky's office,

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<v Speaker 2>sitting down listening to them, and then she would get

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<v Speaker 2>outside of her body, it was like giving her an

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<v Speaker 2>out of body experience. And then how she even remembered

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<v Speaker 2>that because she kind of forgot about it, just like

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<v Speaker 2>how a lot of people forget exactly what they went

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<v Speaker 2>through in the gate program. She remembered it by being

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<v Speaker 2>recommended to listen to the Monroe as the two Gateway tapes,

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<v Speaker 2>and she remembered it because it gave her the exact

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<v Speaker 2>same feeling listening to the Gateway tapes as it did

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<v Speaker 2>when she was a kid listening to the Twilight Learner tapes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it kind of unlocked that memory rights. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>you walk into a you can walk into a candy store,

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<v Speaker 1>you know where they make candorse, and you know you

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<v Speaker 1>you smell a particular thing and you remember something from childhood,

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<v Speaker 1>or or another trigger is when you run into a

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<v Speaker 1>book that you had in childhood that you haven't seen

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<v Speaker 1>in decades, and there it is, and just seeing the

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<v Speaker 1>things on the page, whether it's a picture book or not,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, it comes back to you. Absolutely an

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<v Speaker 1>audio trigger I could see doing that, you know. And

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<v Speaker 1>the nice thing is is it it brings it up

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<v Speaker 1>from where it's kind of sunk down, settled down in

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<v Speaker 1>your memory. It brings it up fresh again so that

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<v Speaker 1>more details emerge. It's in a way, it's an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>form of mental or psychic time travel in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just going through your own mind because of the other

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<v Speaker 1>things that can come up. And and you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they probably take advantage of what she's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about and what we're talking about right here. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>someone said, hey, you should listen to this, and she

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<v Speaker 1>listened to that. And what I mean by taking advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of is that specific phenomenon of what audio trigger does.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that they're aware of that, and they probably

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<v Speaker 1>very much took advantage of that. And and here's an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting thing, we don't know that that wasn't part of

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<v Speaker 1>why they part of not the sole reason, but part

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<v Speaker 1>of why they put kids through this so that when

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<v Speaker 1>they're adults, there could be there could be a command

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<v Speaker 1>embedded in our minds in childhood that now, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>my phone could ring, I pick up the phone, you know, hello,

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<v Speaker 1>and somebody says a word or a phrase mentoring candidate style,

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<v Speaker 1>and boom, it unlocks something. So, you know, we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting, it's very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that there is this weird connection between

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<v Speaker 2>possible UFOs and this phenomenon. And I've been saying on

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<v Speaker 2>people's shows that we're getting ready to get like people

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<v Speaker 2>talking about how that it's a possibility that some of

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<v Speaker 2>these Gate programmed kids have been used to like literally

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<v Speaker 2>control telepathically connect to the UFO in the in the UAP.

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<v Speaker 2>And that might sound out of this world and crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's it's in documentation, like real declassified UFO government

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<v Speaker 2>documents that psychics have been in telepathic communication and control

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<v Speaker 2>of UFOs and UAP. So I believe that the next

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<v Speaker 2>thing is going to be something to do with these

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<v Speaker 2>Gate kids. And I'm trying to pull up this Danny sheh,

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know what you think about Danny.

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<v Speaker 1>You you went through it yourself, right, weren't you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>you go through a gate school or not.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I didn't. I went to a private school, but

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<v Speaker 2>I did. I had some weird instants with you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like with the flash cards and stuff, because when I

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<v Speaker 2>was a kid, I would see a lot of strange

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<v Speaker 2>things going on around me, like I was seen in

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<v Speaker 2>two kind of a different seeing things that I wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to see. And I had told my parents about it,

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<v Speaker 2>and they thought something was wrong with my eyes, and

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<v Speaker 2>they sent me to the doctor. And the doctor gave

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<v Speaker 2>me this flash card that was like no bigger than

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<v Speaker 2>like this notepad right here, and I had like circles

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<v Speaker 2>like bulls eyes with circles within circles. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, can you make the circles become three D

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<v Speaker 2>and pop up off of the actual flash card? And

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, no, I can't, And then he was

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<v Speaker 2>like and he gave me the flashcard and he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>come back whenever you can and talk to me. And

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<v Speaker 2>eventually I could make the circles cop off of the

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<v Speaker 2>flash card and I worked on it all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, they didn't, I was just coming. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we talked about that in the past and I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna have a comment, but I'm sorry I talked

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<v Speaker 1>over you. Finish what you were What was it? I

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<v Speaker 1>remember we talked about that and I told you that

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<v Speaker 1>it was you know in No, I wasn't a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was in the the nineties, late nineties or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking at a CD case and I noticed

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<v Speaker 1>that if the letters were read, they would pop off

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<v Speaker 1>the background three dimensionally to my eye, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's every time I looked. I didn't mean to

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<v Speaker 1>step over you when you were talking with throwing that in.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there are moments I don't know that

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<v Speaker 1>where we necessarily would always be aware that there's that

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<v Speaker 1>whether we're being utilized as kind of an antenna. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think of those times where you know, you're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sitting there and you you go into that that

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<v Speaker 1>zone where you're just kind of you're aware, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how to describe it. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, I don't know how to describe it.

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<v Speaker 1>But now what I'm trying to explain is is that

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<v Speaker 1>one of those moments where you're being accessed, your your

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<v Speaker 1>psychicness is being access and used maybe as some type

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<v Speaker 1>of communications booster, right for somebody who might be communicating elsewhere,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know that can that can be part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>and that could explain moments like some people when they

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<v Speaker 1>have When I think of blackouts, when somebody says a blackout,

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<v Speaker 1>I think of your literally your eyes closed, you're unconscious.

423
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<v Speaker 1>But you know the kind of blackouts where you're driving

424
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<v Speaker 1>a say that's the most popular one. Somebody's on a

425
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:07.400
<v Speaker 1>drive and they kind of the next thing and know

426
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:09.559
<v Speaker 1>they're at their destination and they don't remember all the

427
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.200
<v Speaker 1>details of the drive they were just on. We've all

428
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.440
<v Speaker 1>experienced that to some degree. It's it's kind of a

429
00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:19.319
<v Speaker 1>similar thing to that. Are those moments where they're they're

430
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<v Speaker 1>just using us as boosters for the signal, you know,

431
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:27.480
<v Speaker 1>for a psychic who is consciously communicating with someone on

432
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:29.359
<v Speaker 1>the other side of the world or someone off world.

433
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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you know that's possible.

434
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<v Speaker 2>I think, well, that's sort of exactly like what the

435
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.200
<v Speaker 2>show or the book by Stephen King called The Institute

436
00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:46.240
<v Speaker 2>is about, as like, we have all these kids and

437
00:28:46.279 --> 00:28:52.519
<v Speaker 2>then they essentially lock all of their abilities together and

438
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:56.839
<v Speaker 2>boost up one individual, and then that individual is literally

439
00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:01.519
<v Speaker 2>able to enter into somebody else's mind psychically and then

440
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:02.680
<v Speaker 2>control them.

441
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:06.799
<v Speaker 1>Mhm yeah, which is a very real thing.

442
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>Like maybe not to the point of I'm sure that

443
00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:14.799
<v Speaker 2>they've done it since this, but there are were exercises

444
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.599
<v Speaker 2>called Beacon exercises that s Ri I and some of

445
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:20.880
<v Speaker 2>the government would do where you could literally remote view

446
00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:25.119
<v Speaker 2>somebody and see through their eyes like you weren't able

447
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:28.720
<v Speaker 2>to control them. I'm sure that's something that is going

448
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:32.519
<v Speaker 2>to it's possible to do now because I think that

449
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:37.440
<v Speaker 2>anything you can pretty much do anything psychically, there's no

450
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:39.759
<v Speaker 2>limit to it. And that was one of the things

451
00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:44.960
<v Speaker 2>within the documents is that it's the limitations are perceived

452
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:49.279
<v Speaker 2>to be endless with psychic abilities, but that is a

453
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:52.759
<v Speaker 2>very real thing that can be done, is that you

454
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:57.559
<v Speaker 2>can essentially remote view and see through somebody else's eyes.

455
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<v Speaker 1>Sure, yeah, I don't know. I don't know why not

456
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:03.599
<v Speaker 1>within the context of all these things. You know, we're

457
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<v Speaker 1>talking about what comes to my mind with when we

458
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:16.000
<v Speaker 1>talk about people that were in this, and you know,

459
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:20.640
<v Speaker 1>you try to identify, okay, who who would be you know,

460
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:22.720
<v Speaker 1>who are the people out there that they're using or

461
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:25.359
<v Speaker 1>that you know can do this or whatever. And we

462
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:30.319
<v Speaker 1>often think, or I think it's an assumption that, for instance,

463
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>I quit being pulled out of class after fourth grade. Okay,

464
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<v Speaker 1>So we often talk about this program as in, oh,

465
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<v Speaker 1>you know, okay, that was it. You know, maybe they

466
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:46.000
<v Speaker 1>weren't interested, or maybe it ended or something. We assume

467
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<v Speaker 1>that it's the importance, is the most effective importance is

468
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<v Speaker 1>when you're in childhood. And I argue that, no, that's

469
00:30:59.079 --> 00:31:03.319
<v Speaker 1>just when they're they're they're measuring your abilities, they're seeing

470
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.279
<v Speaker 1>where you are on the psychic spectrum. That's when they're embedding.

471
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:12.599
<v Speaker 1>That's when they're you know, setting you up to be

472
00:31:12.799 --> 00:31:16.119
<v Speaker 1>this thing and you're actually useful to them for the

473
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:21.359
<v Speaker 1>rest of your life. It's during this childhood time in

474
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:26.200
<v Speaker 1>the school is where you're being assessed and then you know,

475
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.160
<v Speaker 1>what's the word configured, you know, to be useful to

476
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:35.559
<v Speaker 1>them and and actually your usefulness, your operational usefulness, could

477
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:37.599
<v Speaker 1>be for the rest of your you know, adult life.

478
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:41.200
<v Speaker 1>And it's possible that you could not be overtly aware

479
00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>of it, which is what we're talking about here, is

480
00:31:43.720 --> 00:31:50.759
<v Speaker 1>not being overtly aware of it. It's to me, from

481
00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:55.160
<v Speaker 1>my perspective from the intelligence world and the operational aspect

482
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:58.559
<v Speaker 1>of the intelligence world. That's how I that's one of

483
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the ways I see it because in the intelligence world

484
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:11.920
<v Speaker 1>I worked with many more older people when I was

485
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>in a more spooky kind of job in the intelligence

486
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:20.160
<v Speaker 1>world than I did when I was a federal agent.

487
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, when you're people assumed that okay, after a

488
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:27.480
<v Speaker 1>certain age, you know you've aged out and you're not useful. No, no, no.

489
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.200
<v Speaker 1>In the intelligence world, some of the best people on

490
00:32:31.240 --> 00:32:33.759
<v Speaker 1>a team that I was on encounter terrorism were in

491
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:39.640
<v Speaker 1>their seventies. The most effective. We had a lady who

492
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:46.880
<v Speaker 1>was I think around seventy, and we did primarily surveillance

493
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>was a primary part of what we did, and she

494
00:32:50.759 --> 00:32:54.559
<v Speaker 1>was amazing because she was invisible to the target because

495
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:57.599
<v Speaker 1>one of the things is nobody pays attention to an

496
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:03.240
<v Speaker 1>old woman. And they are fantastic surveillance ops. They can

497
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:07.240
<v Speaker 1>get closer to the target and as long as they're

498
00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:12.920
<v Speaker 1>doing their cover for action properly. And so these kind

499
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:16.799
<v Speaker 1>of psychic abilities, even though things like Alzheimer's can sit

500
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>in with some people, even though there's certain cognitive things

501
00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that break down, people don't realize that the value the

502
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>psychic value operationally in a human being is much a

503
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.559
<v Speaker 1>much longer spectrum than the physical value. Like when you know,

504
00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.680
<v Speaker 1>as a federal agent in the United States, they pretty

505
00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:43.799
<v Speaker 1>much you're fifty seven is the general retirement age. You know, yes,

506
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>you're going to find exceptions, but fifty seven because it's

507
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.200
<v Speaker 1>a physically demanding job. Right you have to run or

508
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>you have to handle the stress of being a weapons carrier.

509
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:56.759
<v Speaker 1>And if you get into situations like that, that's very stressful,

510
00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:59.599
<v Speaker 1>if you have to have an altercation with somebody, so

511
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, by the time you're sixty it's time to

512
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:06.519
<v Speaker 1>maybe back off of that. That's not to say that

513
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:09.760
<v Speaker 1>I've worked with people in their sixties and early seventies

514
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:14.119
<v Speaker 1>that could have beat my ass at forty two physically,

515
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:22.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, but the psychic and mental abilities go beyond

516
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the physical. So I do. I have begun to think

517
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:34.079
<v Speaker 1>that this gate training and exposure really is to just

518
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>prepare assets intelligence assets on that spooky level for their

519
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 1>entire lifetime.

520
00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I one agree with that. I think that that is

521
00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:48.760
<v Speaker 2>exactly what it is. And the thing about it is

522
00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:51.239
<v Speaker 2>is that they don't even really know that's that's the

523
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:54.760
<v Speaker 2>whole point of the operation is to get people recruited

524
00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.119
<v Speaker 2>in have them working for you, and they don't even

525
00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:58.239
<v Speaker 2>know exactly.

526
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:02.360
<v Speaker 1>You don't even know it. Yeah, you're you're unwitting, you know,

527
00:35:02.519 --> 00:35:07.679
<v Speaker 1>just because I overtly consciously left working for Uncle Sam

528
00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:13.400
<v Speaker 1>twenty years ago. This past January, I've run into people

529
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:18.400
<v Speaker 1>like in my book research that I swear, you know,

530
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:21.800
<v Speaker 1>to some degree, I either knew it or suspected that

531
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>they were connected to the intelligence community. And I have

532
00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:28.639
<v Speaker 1>no way of knowing that I haven't been used unconsciously,

533
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>you know. In One of the things they can do,

534
00:35:33.159 --> 00:35:40.280
<v Speaker 1>for example, is they can pour. Essentially, this is the

535
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:42.679
<v Speaker 1>way it has described me. They can they can kind

536
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:46.079
<v Speaker 1>of poor I put quotes around that po you are

537
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:51.440
<v Speaker 1>a language into your head and in a very very

538
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:57.679
<v Speaker 1>short order, make you fluent in a language. Send you

539
00:35:57.760 --> 00:36:02.199
<v Speaker 1>off operationally where you're using that language. You come back,

540
00:36:02.920 --> 00:36:07.639
<v Speaker 1>they put you under and under hypnosis, they do the debriefing.

541
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>You do that debriefing in the language, and then they

542
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:20.239
<v Speaker 1>bring you out of it. And you know, classic Manchurian

543
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:26.480
<v Speaker 1>candidate stuff. You don't remember that, you don't remember it.

544
00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:33.719
<v Speaker 1>And I worked in an operational world where a team

545
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:39.000
<v Speaker 1>would go out and many times, many times I went

546
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:42.400
<v Speaker 1>on missions where we weren't all staying at the same hotel.

547
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:46.119
<v Speaker 1>That's just good operational sense to be at different locations.

548
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.400
<v Speaker 1>And several times I would be the only team member

549
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.639
<v Speaker 1>at my hotel, and just like the other team members,

550
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:54.840
<v Speaker 1>the only team you don't really know what the other

551
00:36:54.880 --> 00:36:59.039
<v Speaker 1>team members are doing during the down hours. I've spent

552
00:36:59.119 --> 00:37:01.880
<v Speaker 1>thirty days in a place on a mission and only

553
00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:05.320
<v Speaker 1>saw the other team members maybe a few hours a week,

554
00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:07.079
<v Speaker 1>and the rest of the time I was alone, they

555
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:10.360
<v Speaker 1>were alone. You know, you don't know what other side tasks.

556
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.800
<v Speaker 1>And then when you think about what we're talking about here,

557
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:18.320
<v Speaker 1>you don't know what other side tasks maybe you've done

558
00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:24.599
<v Speaker 1>yourself or been been part of when you're doing physical

559
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:29.280
<v Speaker 1>surveillance missions like that. For instance, I was working in

560
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:31.920
<v Speaker 1>an Eastern European country once and I had to my

561
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:34.199
<v Speaker 1>partner had to drop me off middle of the night.

562
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:37.920
<v Speaker 1>It's around midnight and it was snowy and everything, and

563
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:42.119
<v Speaker 1>I had to. I was just simply told, oh, go

564
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:46.239
<v Speaker 1>see if the targets cars and his driveway. Okay, simple enough,

565
00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:49.159
<v Speaker 1>and that's a legitimate tasking. So you go up and

566
00:37:49.199 --> 00:37:55.000
<v Speaker 1>you you know, you go see that, and if particularly

567
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:57.280
<v Speaker 1>if they instruct you hang around and keep an eye

568
00:37:57.320 --> 00:37:59.400
<v Speaker 1>on it for a while, right for an hour or

569
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:04.519
<v Speaker 1>a half hour. Well, you don't know that you're not

570
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:07.719
<v Speaker 1>a target for a remote viewer back in the state.

571
00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:11.440
<v Speaker 1>In other words, somebody at NSA Fort Mead or whatever

572
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:15.679
<v Speaker 1>is sitting there, the remote viewer a Joe mcmonagall or whoever,

573
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:18.840
<v Speaker 1>is sitting there, and they're they're started, and you're the

574
00:38:18.920 --> 00:38:24.400
<v Speaker 1>intenna for them, and they're actually psychically inside that target's

575
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:27.280
<v Speaker 1>house looking around, and you know, you're just kind of

576
00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:29.920
<v Speaker 1>standing there, watching the outside and making sure you're not

577
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.480
<v Speaker 1>jacked up because you're in a foreign country under a

578
00:38:32.519 --> 00:38:37.360
<v Speaker 1>different identity and that's illegal there, and you know, maybe

579
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:39.360
<v Speaker 1>you're not that great with the language, and it's going

580
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:42.000
<v Speaker 1>to be obvious, and you know, so all the stuff

581
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:44.719
<v Speaker 1>that comes up being undercover in a foreign country, you

582
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 1>don't know that. And I've been in several situations where

583
00:38:47.920 --> 00:38:51.559
<v Speaker 1>I or anyone on the team could have been access

584
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:56.679
<v Speaker 1>antennas for booster antennas for our veers back home. Now

585
00:38:56.960 --> 00:39:01.280
<v Speaker 1>let's add the Gate layer onto that. Okay, there, I

586
00:39:01.320 --> 00:39:04.159
<v Speaker 1>am somebody who's been through the Gate program who was

587
00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 1>recruited into that job with the greatly the opening the

588
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:14.639
<v Speaker 1>doors of a mentor maybe I and others were put

589
00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.199
<v Speaker 1>on these teams because we had been through the Gate program,

590
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:20.400
<v Speaker 1>because we did have these abilities, because certain things had

591
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:26.639
<v Speaker 1>been already pre loaded right into our psyches, and so

592
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:32.920
<v Speaker 1>therefore that made us better antenna, stronger antenna. You know,

593
00:39:33.599 --> 00:39:36.800
<v Speaker 1>it's it's very possible, And that would explain because I've

594
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.760
<v Speaker 1>been on missions. I went on missions too, where you're like,

595
00:39:40.079 --> 00:39:43.320
<v Speaker 1>why are we why are we here? We're We're not

596
00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:46.400
<v Speaker 1>really I went to a South American country a few

597
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.719
<v Speaker 1>times on the job, and there was a there was

598
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:54.840
<v Speaker 1>one trip literally where I was there for thirty days

599
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.760
<v Speaker 1>and I was spending ninety five percent of my time,

600
00:39:57.800 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 1>all of us, ninety five percent of our time just

601
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:04.880
<v Speaker 1>living our covers because one day a week for two

602
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.719
<v Speaker 1>hours we were operational and the rest of the time

603
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.440
<v Speaker 1>on your own time, living your cover, making sure you

604
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.000
<v Speaker 1>know that you're living your cover and doing all that stuff.

605
00:40:17.000 --> 00:40:20.760
<v Speaker 1>And you think, wait a minute, couldn't they just fly

606
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.000
<v Speaker 1>different ones of us down for you know, three days,

607
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:26.639
<v Speaker 1>get there the day before, do the operation fly out

608
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the next day? You know, why are they having us?

609
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:33.320
<v Speaker 1>You know? But if we're serving as some type of

610
00:40:33.639 --> 00:40:38.440
<v Speaker 1>one of these antennas. We could be doing more collecting

611
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:42.920
<v Speaker 1>than we realized, collecting intelligence without even realizing we're doing

612
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.599
<v Speaker 1>it because we're told go there, and you don't know

613
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:53.960
<v Speaker 1>exactly why. I think gate kids might be very useful

614
00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:58.000
<v Speaker 1>in a scenario like that, you know, for what that's worth.

615
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Who I never even thought about that. That's really a

616
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:09.440
<v Speaker 2>genius on the side of the intelligence community, right, May

617
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:10.280
<v Speaker 2>you make.

618
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.239
<v Speaker 1>We know that if if they can do it, they.

619
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:22.679
<v Speaker 2>Will, Yes, yes, you would want them to think that

620
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:25.239
<v Speaker 2>they're doing something else when they're actually serving out a

621
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:28.920
<v Speaker 2>completely different agenda. I mean, it makes sense. Can't really

622
00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:34.360
<v Speaker 2>prove it, but it woul definitely makes sense on definitely

623
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.920
<v Speaker 2>a possibility, one hundred percent for sure, a possibility that

624
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:41.880
<v Speaker 2>I had never thought of before, which is really interesting.

625
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:44.639
<v Speaker 2>I do want to play a little bit of this

626
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 2>Danny PM, because I've been saying since the movie came

627
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:51.639
<v Speaker 2>out that something like this was going to actually happened,

628
00:41:51.639 --> 00:41:53.840
<v Speaker 2>and someone was going to come forward with this information,

629
00:41:53.920 --> 00:41:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and it turned out that it kind of has. Now.

630
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<v Speaker 2>Regardless of what anybody thinks that Danny Sheeham, they can

631
00:42:02.079 --> 00:42:05.840
<v Speaker 2>think that he's a grifter or whatever, he makes up things,

632
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.199
<v Speaker 2>but he's one of the most prominent you voices in

633
00:42:08.360 --> 00:42:12.599
<v Speaker 2>ufology today. He does all the different conferences and stuff

634
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.559
<v Speaker 2>like that, and I, you know, it is what it

635
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:17.840
<v Speaker 2>is at this point with the UFO community. It's just

636
00:42:17.960 --> 00:42:22.280
<v Speaker 2>it's a thing that's just being strung along and all

637
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.079
<v Speaker 2>that nonsense. But I think that it's important to listen

638
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:28.199
<v Speaker 2>to what he says. You're in this conference that he

639
00:42:28.320 --> 00:42:28.639
<v Speaker 2>was doing.

640
00:42:29.920 --> 00:42:32.360
<v Speaker 3>And so what they've done is they've lost a number

641
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:37.760
<v Speaker 3>of multi million dollars trained at uf US fighter pilots

642
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:41.000
<v Speaker 3>in trying to get them to fly these things, and

643
00:42:41.079 --> 00:42:44.239
<v Speaker 3>they've killed them. And then they just keep going back

644
00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.000
<v Speaker 3>trying to do it again and experiment with him and

645
00:42:47.079 --> 00:42:50.039
<v Speaker 3>kill more of them, and it's all being covered up.

646
00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 3>And so what they decided that they needed to do

647
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.880
<v Speaker 3>is they needed to go find people who are psychic,

648
00:42:56.119 --> 00:43:01.320
<v Speaker 3>people who have psychic capabilities of telepathic communication and esp

649
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:04.760
<v Speaker 3>et cetera. And so they go and they try to

650
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.239
<v Speaker 3>recruit them. And what they found out is that they

651
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.519
<v Speaker 3>didn't dare recruit full adults because they would tell about

652
00:43:11.519 --> 00:43:14.519
<v Speaker 3>it and they didn't want to sign a non disclosure agreement.

653
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:17.000
<v Speaker 3>And then they go tell somebody. So what they did

654
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:18.599
<v Speaker 3>is they went after children.

655
00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:26.760
<v Speaker 2>Who That's pretty important thing that he just said right there.

656
00:43:27.480 --> 00:43:33.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, very important, right there. Okay, listen to a

657
00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:33.840
<v Speaker 2>little bit more.

658
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 3>They set up a program on the military basis where

659
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.760
<v Speaker 3>they have military schools for the children of the military

660
00:43:40.800 --> 00:43:44.639
<v Speaker 3>people and the workers, and they started giving them tests

661
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:48.320
<v Speaker 3>called the GATE Program, the Gifted and Talented.

662
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:52.960
<v Speaker 1>Children oo shiver central.

663
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Whenever I heard this, oh man, I got the chills

664
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.960
<v Speaker 2>because I was like, holy shit, because I'd been saying

665
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:01.519
<v Speaker 2>that someone was gonna come out and start talking.

666
00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:02.519
<v Speaker 1>About this, yep.

667
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:05.440
<v Speaker 2>And then but then it happens, and I'm like, oh

668
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 2>my god, I cannot believe this.

669
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

670
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Who unbelievable.

671
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:18.559
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's uh, unbelievable, but believable. Right when you think

672
00:44:18.599 --> 00:44:22.000
<v Speaker 1>about it, you're like, oh, well, it's it's surprising, but

673
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 1>not you know, if they if they've got him there, yeah,

674
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.719
<v Speaker 1>I wonder. You know, I've never heard anybody. I haven't

675
00:44:30.760 --> 00:44:33.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe you have, But in the discussion of Gate programs,

676
00:44:33.480 --> 00:44:35.719
<v Speaker 1>all I've ever heard is the discussion of the public schools.

677
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:38.599
<v Speaker 1>I've never really heard the discussion about people who kids

678
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:42.599
<v Speaker 1>who were military dependents actually going to the base schools

679
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.840
<v Speaker 1>because my dad was out was off active duty before

680
00:44:45.880 --> 00:44:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I was born. Had he still been on I would

681
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:50.400
<v Speaker 1>have grown up going to one of those based schools.

682
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:57.199
<v Speaker 1>But that's uh, you know, that's that's interesting now that

683
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:02.199
<v Speaker 1>I think about it. My son, he went to preschool

684
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.000
<v Speaker 1>on base, but we had him in the public school

685
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:12.480
<v Speaker 1>when you know, he started actually started school when I

686
00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:15.119
<v Speaker 1>was active duty. He went he went to public schools

687
00:45:15.159 --> 00:45:20.880
<v Speaker 1>because we only lived in base housing at LA, which

688
00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:25.960
<v Speaker 1>is Fort MacArthur in San Pedro for Air Force. So

689
00:45:26.480 --> 00:45:28.639
<v Speaker 1>it's a little bit of a different situation. You don't

690
00:45:28.639 --> 00:45:33.079
<v Speaker 1>have the working base with the residential area which most

691
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:36.199
<v Speaker 1>bases are. And of course your schools, your military schools

692
00:45:36.199 --> 00:45:40.239
<v Speaker 1>are right there because it's all contained, right, so, you know,

693
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.480
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know are they is there is there

694
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:48.440
<v Speaker 1>a reason to think that there's still any kind of

695
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:49.679
<v Speaker 1>program like this going on.

696
00:45:52.599 --> 00:45:57.519
<v Speaker 2>Well, from my understanding and my knowledge, I mean, this

697
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.599
<v Speaker 2>is really the first time I've been hearing about the children.

698
00:46:01.400 --> 00:46:03.559
<v Speaker 2>I've just been saying that it's that is going to

699
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:08.280
<v Speaker 2>come out, but from actually hearing someone talk about it

700
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:11.679
<v Speaker 2>that may have some kind of first hand or second

701
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:14.440
<v Speaker 2>hand knowledge that they're training kids to be able to

702
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:18.199
<v Speaker 2>telepathically connect with UFOs and UAPs. But as far as

703
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:23.639
<v Speaker 2>the actual Gate program public school stuff, yes, it's very real.

704
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:26.599
<v Speaker 2>It is still going on and it is still happening

705
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.760
<v Speaker 2>to this very day. I mean, Charlie Kirk was literally

706
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:34.960
<v Speaker 2>in an entire program just it was an entire gifted school.

707
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't even a you know, an extracurricular class that

708
00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:43.599
<v Speaker 2>he was taking. It was called the Quest Academy and

709
00:46:43.760 --> 00:46:48.599
<v Speaker 2>still in operation today in Palatine, Illinois, and you can

710
00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:51.719
<v Speaker 2>get on Quest Economy's website and it's a literal gifted

711
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:56.760
<v Speaker 2>and talented education school. It's not even extracurricular class or

712
00:46:57.320 --> 00:47:00.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, people's parents coming to you know, teachers going

713
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:02.559
<v Speaker 2>to the kid's parents and be like, your kid needs

714
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.320
<v Speaker 2>to be part of this class. No, this is just

715
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:09.239
<v Speaker 2>a complete gifted school. And there's tons of them all

716
00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:10.480
<v Speaker 2>over the United States.

717
00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:15.039
<v Speaker 1>I think at Palatine, Illinois, I wonder how close that

718
00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:19.480
<v Speaker 1>is to Scott Air Force Base that used to be

719
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.159
<v Speaker 1>in my aor I was at Wright Patterson, but I

720
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:26.239
<v Speaker 1>had an almost ten state area of responsibility in the

721
00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:28.679
<v Speaker 1>specialty that I did, and so I had to go

722
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:30.960
<v Speaker 1>over to Scott. I had to go to Whiteman and

723
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:34.760
<v Speaker 1>stuff on occasion make the rounds. So that's interesting that

724
00:47:34.800 --> 00:47:37.800
<v Speaker 1>he went to a school in Illinois. I'm curious if

725
00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:42.039
<v Speaker 1>it indeed was close to Scott Air Force Bace was

726
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 1>his father military.

727
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.760
<v Speaker 2>That I am not too sure about. Not a lot

728
00:47:49.920 --> 00:47:52.880
<v Speaker 2>is really known about. To see, a lot of people

729
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:57.679
<v Speaker 2>have been trying to focus on, you know, Erica Kirk

730
00:47:57.800 --> 00:48:01.199
<v Speaker 2>and that whole thing. Yeah, dificult to find out stuff

731
00:48:01.199 --> 00:48:02.880
<v Speaker 2>about her background, it really is.

732
00:48:03.480 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 1>It's really hard.

733
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:10.760
<v Speaker 2>But with Charlie, I'm sure that some people would definitely No,

734
00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:13.639
<v Speaker 2>I could probably try and look it up really quickly.

735
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:17.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were. They were too focused on wanting to

736
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.440
<v Speaker 1>build statues of him rather than looking at his background

737
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:27.119
<v Speaker 1>closely to peace you know what was useful substantial information together,

738
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:32.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, because find out he went to one of

739
00:48:32.440 --> 00:48:34.079
<v Speaker 1>those schools.

740
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and his mother they essentially wanted to drug him

741
00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:47.000
<v Speaker 2>whenever he was really young, and his mother refused and

742
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:51.519
<v Speaker 2>then they put him into a h Then that's whenever

743
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:53.599
<v Speaker 2>they took him to this Gate Program school.

744
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they wanted to do that to my son. He

745
00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:59.679
<v Speaker 1>had a teacher I think it was second grade or whatever,

746
00:49:00.280 --> 00:49:04.519
<v Speaker 1>and it was just awful and his mom and I

747
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.079
<v Speaker 1>at that point didn't agree on much, but we had

748
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.800
<v Speaker 1>a united front. Hell no, you're not putting our kid

749
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:14.920
<v Speaker 1>on Riddlin or whatever it is. And it turned out

750
00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:19.679
<v Speaker 1>that she, this particular teacher had a reputation for not

751
00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:23.000
<v Speaker 1>liking to deal with boys students, male students, and she

752
00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:26.199
<v Speaker 1>was like willy nilly with the this boy needs to

753
00:49:26.239 --> 00:49:28.519
<v Speaker 1>be on drugs. This boy, you know, And it turned

754
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:30.280
<v Speaker 1>out to you know, it's not our kid, because he

755
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:34.199
<v Speaker 1>never had another problem with another teacher, you know, after that.

756
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.119
<v Speaker 1>But it was interesting. They wanted to you know, that's

757
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.519
<v Speaker 1>one of the first things that they want to do

758
00:49:39.679 --> 00:49:44.159
<v Speaker 1>is get that get those drugs into the the kids,

759
00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:49.039
<v Speaker 1>particularly the boys. So parents need to resist that.

760
00:49:50.360 --> 00:49:56.960
<v Speaker 2>So Charlie KIRK'SDD Robert W. Kirk. There's not any evidence

761
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:01.519
<v Speaker 2>that he was involved in the military, but that he

762
00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:07.280
<v Speaker 2>was an architect, and some sources are identifying him as

763
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:13.199
<v Speaker 2>having worked in architecture, including involvement with Trump Tower in

764
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:18.440
<v Speaker 2>New York, which that's really interesting there Charlie. But it

765
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:24.480
<v Speaker 2>says that Charlie himself wanted to join the military whenever

766
00:50:24.519 --> 00:50:28.280
<v Speaker 2>he was a teenager and sought a mission to West

767
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:34.280
<v Speaker 2>Point and later supposedly described joining the army as his

768
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:40.880
<v Speaker 2>number one dream but was not admitted, and he was

769
00:50:40.960 --> 00:50:44.320
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be because he was supposed to be running

770
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:49.000
<v Speaker 2>a multi million dollar nonprofit organization and influencing millions of people.

771
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:53.119
<v Speaker 1>And yea, what was there a reason why he was

772
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:55.480
<v Speaker 1>rejected West Point to the Army?

773
00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Out of the dig deeper into it, it's just one

774
00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:08.400
<v Speaker 2>of those Wikipedia pages. Yeah, that's really interesting that, you know,

775
00:51:08.440 --> 00:51:10.719
<v Speaker 2>because it kind of seems like that that kind of

776
00:51:11.079 --> 00:51:14.159
<v Speaker 2>you know, follows the but if you're in the gay program,

777
00:51:14.199 --> 00:51:16.079
<v Speaker 2>and definitely if you went to one of these just

778
00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:19.840
<v Speaker 2>straight gate schools that are just nothing but gifted and

779
00:51:19.880 --> 00:51:23.800
<v Speaker 2>talented individuals. I mean on the website, the Quest Economy

780
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:27.760
<v Speaker 2>website literally says if like you know, basically to the

781
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:31.360
<v Speaker 2>effect is, if you know, if you get through the school,

782
00:51:31.480 --> 00:51:33.840
<v Speaker 2>then you're essentially going to be set up for life.

783
00:51:33.880 --> 00:51:37.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's kind of what the website describes, like

784
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:42.039
<v Speaker 2>it's for inside of the classroom and outside of the classroom, right, so,

785
00:51:42.960 --> 00:51:46.639
<v Speaker 2>and it's a preschool through sixth grade. So it's basically

786
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.960
<v Speaker 2>if you if you make it through this schooling program,

787
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:52.480
<v Speaker 2>then you're going to be set up for the rest

788
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:54.880
<v Speaker 2>of your life because you're going to have people around

789
00:51:55.000 --> 00:52:00.000
<v Speaker 2>you essentially making these opportunities for you.

790
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:04.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I had my The way my career

791
00:52:04.280 --> 00:52:10.519
<v Speaker 1>worked through most of it was Yeah, there was my mentor,

792
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:13.719
<v Speaker 1>my uncle was there, you know when I reported for

793
00:52:13.800 --> 00:52:16.119
<v Speaker 1>duty to my first government job. Oh, before I forget,

794
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:18.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious about you know, the thing about Charlie Kirk

795
00:52:18.679 --> 00:52:22.079
<v Speaker 1>is nothing overt jumped out about his dad other than

796
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:27.199
<v Speaker 1>architecture implies an engineering type of mind. But his mom

797
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe the you know, there was some type of

798
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:33.559
<v Speaker 1>intel or military connection to his mom's family. But when

799
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:37.719
<v Speaker 1>I reported for duty to the FBI, I was starting

800
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:41.519
<v Speaker 1>getting my I started my career. I was instructed to

801
00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:44.880
<v Speaker 1>do this by my mentor. He said, take anything they

802
00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:47.000
<v Speaker 1>offer you. You won't be in the low level job

803
00:52:47.039 --> 00:52:50.719
<v Speaker 1>for long. So I accepted a GS three mail clerk

804
00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:54.159
<v Speaker 1>position that I ended up only being in for forty

805
00:52:54.159 --> 00:52:57.639
<v Speaker 1>five days, and I was promoted to the next job

806
00:52:57.719 --> 00:52:59.760
<v Speaker 1>that I was in for six months and then started

807
00:52:59.760 --> 00:53:04.719
<v Speaker 1>in intelligence. But the day thirteen March nineteen eighty eight,

808
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm at the LA Federal Building, eleven thousand Woolshre and

809
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:12.000
<v Speaker 1>I in about a ten or eleven other new if

810
00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:15.559
<v Speaker 1>BED employees are standing there waiting to go into the

811
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 1>office there, and I and this other, this young lady,

812
00:53:20.960 --> 00:53:25.280
<v Speaker 1>we're pulled out of line and taken to separate side rooms.

813
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.239
<v Speaker 1>So I'm in this room. There's nothing in there but

814
00:53:28.400 --> 00:53:30.880
<v Speaker 1>three chairs, the one I'm in and two facing me.

815
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:33.559
<v Speaker 1>And I'm in there for about five minutes or so,

816
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:37.559
<v Speaker 1>and my thought is, Okay, who in my background is

817
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:39.639
<v Speaker 1>the criminal that I wasn't aware of? And now they're

818
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:42.719
<v Speaker 1>going to talk to me. So two people come in,

819
00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:44.239
<v Speaker 1>two agents, a man or a woman, come in. They

820
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.480
<v Speaker 1>introduce themselves and they're in the counter intelligence division. Now

821
00:53:47.599 --> 00:53:52.159
<v Speaker 1>remember I'm reporting for duty, first day, wet behind the

822
00:53:52.199 --> 00:53:55.039
<v Speaker 1>ears FBI, going to be a mail clerk. And they say,

823
00:53:55.639 --> 00:53:58.679
<v Speaker 1>you're uniquely qualified to be on this special team. It's

824
00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:01.719
<v Speaker 1>in counterintelligence. Here or fill out this fourteen page in

825
00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:05.280
<v Speaker 1>house ksa knowledge skills assessment, bring it back as soon

826
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:09.599
<v Speaker 1>as boss. Okay, So I filled that out. I mean,

827
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:12.079
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I've never met these people. I didn't

828
00:54:12.079 --> 00:54:14.079
<v Speaker 1>talk to these people. How the hell do they know?

829
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh?

830
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:18.079
<v Speaker 1>Gee, maybe it's my uncle and you know, sure enough.

831
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:23.639
<v Speaker 1>I forty five days later, I made an evidence technician.

832
00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:26.719
<v Speaker 1>And then six months after that, I get a call.

833
00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:28.679
<v Speaker 1>I'm in the San Jose division. I get a call

834
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:33.000
<v Speaker 1>and it's the supervisory agent on the special team in

835
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:36.400
<v Speaker 1>San Francisco and he says, I'm told, I'm supposed to

836
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:40.760
<v Speaker 1>interview you be up here tomorrow to the main office.

837
00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:43.679
<v Speaker 1>So I go and he's the supervisor of the squad

838
00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:47.679
<v Speaker 1>and it goes, we're sending it a spy training essentially,

839
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:50.800
<v Speaker 1>want to cooch And that's you know, that was how

840
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:55.800
<v Speaker 1>my spook career got started. And the thing is, if

841
00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:58.239
<v Speaker 1>you were in the FBI at that time, the team

842
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:01.199
<v Speaker 1>I was brought into that I was told they wanted

843
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:03.280
<v Speaker 1>me for from the day I walked in day one

844
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:05.599
<v Speaker 1>and then ended up on six months later. There were

845
00:55:05.639 --> 00:55:09.079
<v Speaker 1>people that had worked for the Bureau for a few

846
00:55:09.159 --> 00:55:13.199
<v Speaker 1>years that couldn't get that job in their boom. I'm

847
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:15.679
<v Speaker 1>a new guy, and I get it. That's one of

848
00:55:15.719 --> 00:55:18.880
<v Speaker 1>the things, Like you know, clearly my mentor and whatever

849
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:24.480
<v Speaker 1>he was actually tailoring me for. That's yeah, that's door opening.

850
00:55:24.599 --> 00:55:28.280
<v Speaker 1>That's how that works. And it happened at other times too,

851
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:34.719
<v Speaker 1>things like that. But anyway, for what for what that's worth, did.

852
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:39.239
<v Speaker 2>You feel looked after when that was happening, like did

853
00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:42.119
<v Speaker 2>you know what that that was happening? As it was happening,

854
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.239
<v Speaker 2>like these yeah looking for me because of my uncle

855
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:48.159
<v Speaker 2>and the people that are around me.

856
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, based on even some things he would tell me,

857
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:56.639
<v Speaker 1>you know, when he would tell me to learn, like

858
00:55:56.679 --> 00:56:00.440
<v Speaker 1>he would instruct me the necromancy. When he trained me

859
00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:03.000
<v Speaker 1>in a method of necromancy, he flat out said, there

860
00:56:03.000 --> 00:56:04.800
<v Speaker 1>are people expecting you to know how to do this,

861
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:08.519
<v Speaker 1>And I said who, And you don't need to know

862
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:13.039
<v Speaker 1>that yet. And my entire career until after he had

863
00:56:13.079 --> 00:56:15.440
<v Speaker 1>had his career ending stroke because he was in his

864
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:18.960
<v Speaker 1>early seventies, mid seventies May that time, he had had

865
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:23.920
<v Speaker 1>a career ending stroke. Essentially he's forced to retire. This

866
00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:31.000
<v Speaker 1>was around two thousand and after that, I felt naked

867
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:34.559
<v Speaker 1>out in the cold. But up until then, whether it

868
00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.199
<v Speaker 1>was FBI, Air Force or the next guys I went

869
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:42.480
<v Speaker 1>to work for, I was always backstopped. I felt sheltered.

870
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I felt like, Okay, I'm part of it. And he

871
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:46.920
<v Speaker 1>told me I was part of the group. Now. He

872
00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:49.039
<v Speaker 1>did tell me when I was getting out of the

873
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Air Force and going to work for the next organization.

874
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:56.280
<v Speaker 1>He had told me for years that I had a

875
00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:59.239
<v Speaker 1>he said, I'm your mentor. He goes, you have a sponsor,

876
00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.039
<v Speaker 1>and it was a US congressman, and he didn't he

877
00:57:02.079 --> 00:57:05.039
<v Speaker 1>didn't tell me it would it was a congressman for years.

878
00:57:05.480 --> 00:57:09.280
<v Speaker 1>Only in ninety nine did he identify who that congressman was.

879
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:16.320
<v Speaker 1>And you know, my response was seriously he's he goes, yeah,

880
00:57:17.239 --> 00:57:19.760
<v Speaker 1>and he says, he said you in about a half

881
00:57:19.800 --> 00:57:22.480
<v Speaker 1>a dozen others, I said, that guy knows I exist.

882
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:26.039
<v Speaker 1>And you know, his joke was, yeah, he's not always

883
00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:29.360
<v Speaker 1>happy about it. But because when you when you step

884
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.280
<v Speaker 1>on your own genitals, as they say, but you know,

885
00:57:32.360 --> 00:57:40.119
<v Speaker 1>all joking aside, I was, oh, so yeah, I was

886
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:44.719
<v Speaker 1>through most of my career until after he was forced out.

887
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Because what it was is I might have told you this,

888
00:57:48.280 --> 00:57:50.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't recall, but no matter who I was working for,

889
00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:53.199
<v Speaker 1>I was reporting to him all those years. When I

890
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.760
<v Speaker 1>went to work for the FBI, I would get and

891
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:58.039
<v Speaker 1>this is before cell phones. I would go to a

892
00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:02.880
<v Speaker 1>pay phone and call him the same you know, once

893
00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:05.960
<v Speaker 1>a week and tell him, you know, what was going

894
00:58:06.000 --> 00:58:07.960
<v Speaker 1>on from my perspective, because he already knew what was

895
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:10.599
<v Speaker 1>going on in his eyes. And then he would tell

896
00:58:10.639 --> 00:58:14.159
<v Speaker 1>me things, Okay, do this, don't do that, Avoid this person,

897
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:18.079
<v Speaker 1>avoid that person. I was reporting to him, And the

898
00:58:18.119 --> 00:58:20.119
<v Speaker 1>whole time I was in the Air Force and as

899
00:58:20.159 --> 00:58:23.159
<v Speaker 1>an agent, I would go to a pay phone and

900
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:27.360
<v Speaker 1>call him and say you know, and he would know.

901
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Like one time when I got to La Air Force Base,

902
00:58:30.960 --> 00:58:33.039
<v Speaker 1>he said, hey, you were over at the b X

903
00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:36.199
<v Speaker 1>the other day. He's in Alabama. Remember I'm in California,

904
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:39.639
<v Speaker 1>And I'd say yeah. He goes, you met a gentleman there,

905
00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:43.679
<v Speaker 1>and he would describe him physically and everything, and he

906
00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:46.400
<v Speaker 1>would give his name and I'd be I'd still I've

907
00:58:46.400 --> 00:58:48.159
<v Speaker 1>known him all these years, and I'd still be blown away.

908
00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:51.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm like yeah, And he goes, if ever you need me,

909
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:53.519
<v Speaker 1>if something happens and you need me in an emergency

910
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:56.079
<v Speaker 1>and you can't get me, he says, you go to him.

911
00:58:56.280 --> 00:59:00.079
<v Speaker 1>He and I knew each other in Army and in Airborne,

912
00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:02.760
<v Speaker 1>and you can go to him if you can't get

913
00:59:02.800 --> 00:59:06.000
<v Speaker 1>to me. And so he had. There were people always

914
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:09.400
<v Speaker 1>around me that were part of this thing, this spook

915
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:11.920
<v Speaker 1>world thing he was in that I could go to.

916
00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:14.360
<v Speaker 1>And it was like wherever I was assigned, there was

917
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:18.599
<v Speaker 1>some associate of his that was you know, I knew

918
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:23.719
<v Speaker 1>was you know, watching out for me, and you know

919
00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:26.679
<v Speaker 1>it over the years the kind of things he had

920
00:59:26.719 --> 00:59:31.960
<v Speaker 1>me do would be revealing good of that. But remember

921
00:59:32.119 --> 00:59:37.719
<v Speaker 1>the things, the spookiest things he taught me. I think

922
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:41.119
<v Speaker 1>because of stuff he said, Remember he told me they

923
00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:45.559
<v Speaker 1>were He goes, you've been watched since childhood, right, that

924
00:59:45.679 --> 00:59:50.239
<v Speaker 1>includes right the gay program, and so you know, I'm thinking, well,

925
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:53.960
<v Speaker 1>it's it's whatever they measured about me when I was

926
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:56.840
<v Speaker 1>a kid in the gay program had to be connected

927
00:59:56.880 --> 00:59:59.360
<v Speaker 1>somehow to him continuing then to recruit me into the

928
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.199
<v Speaker 1>career I was. And then when you layer on there

929
01:00:02.679 --> 01:00:06.639
<v Speaker 1>the psychic things he was teaching me, teaching me, you know,

930
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:11.639
<v Speaker 1>how to communicate across vast distances like I talked about

931
01:00:11.639 --> 01:00:17.239
<v Speaker 1>in the film, right, and the necromancy, you know, in

932
01:00:17.679 --> 01:00:25.239
<v Speaker 1>the other occultish kind of psychic things. Well, I'm thinking

933
01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:29.599
<v Speaker 1>that again, what led to that was whatever they measured

934
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:34.519
<v Speaker 1>my abilities or potentials, potentialities in the Gate program. So

935
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.440
<v Speaker 1>that's why I'm saying, in my case, I think it

936
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:41.679
<v Speaker 1>was just the initial measuring ground and maybe a little

937
01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:45.400
<v Speaker 1>bit of a training ground, but mostly measuring ground, maybe

938
01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:51.320
<v Speaker 1>embedding some things in there for whatever usefulness I would

939
01:00:51.320 --> 01:00:54.400
<v Speaker 1>have as an adult. And again, as we said before,

940
01:00:54.519 --> 01:00:59.039
<v Speaker 1>just because you leave the official employment doesn't mean they're

941
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:02.599
<v Speaker 1>not they're not using you for all. I know, take

942
01:01:02.679 --> 01:01:06.199
<v Speaker 1>my books, my Big Empire Wheel investigation, right, the mystery

943
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:11.199
<v Speaker 1>from nineteen fifteen. I don't know that there I am,

944
01:01:11.400 --> 01:01:14.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, the biggest mystery I've investigated in my life.

945
01:01:14.559 --> 01:01:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Blah blah blah. I have no way of knowing for

946
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:21.559
<v Speaker 1>sure that that there wasn't somebody in the intelligence community

947
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:27.480
<v Speaker 1>getting me physically in places for their own purposes. And

948
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:32.800
<v Speaker 1>there I am consciously investigating one thing, but they're having

949
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:36.920
<v Speaker 1>their moving me into a place that they can use

950
01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:40.800
<v Speaker 1>me as an antenna to look at maybe something else entirely.

951
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Remember what Lim Buchanan said that when he was asked

952
01:01:43.400 --> 01:01:45.920
<v Speaker 1>in your film, when you asked him in the film

953
01:01:46.039 --> 01:01:50.199
<v Speaker 1>can people be controlled? And he he said he didn't

954
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:53.239
<v Speaker 1>like it, and he you know, but yes, remember that,

955
01:01:53.519 --> 01:01:57.360
<v Speaker 1>you remember that it's your film. But that's significant. So

956
01:01:57.719 --> 01:02:00.599
<v Speaker 1>I have no way of knowing for sure that you know,

957
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:03.840
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't used that way in the stuff I've been

958
01:02:03.840 --> 01:02:07.719
<v Speaker 1>doing the last twenty years, and they could still be

959
01:02:08.199 --> 01:02:11.280
<v Speaker 1>doing that. You don't know for sure when and if

960
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:13.039
<v Speaker 1>it ends. You don't.

961
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Have you revealed publicly who that, who the sponsor was,

962
01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:23.760
<v Speaker 2>who the congressman was.

963
01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:31.519
<v Speaker 1>You know, maybe I should give you a scoop. I haven't,

964
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:34.679
<v Speaker 1>but it's been so many years, and my mentor's been

965
01:02:34.719 --> 01:02:37.079
<v Speaker 1>gone for several years, and I'm at an age and

966
01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:41.599
<v Speaker 1>a point in my life where you know, screw it,

967
01:02:41.599 --> 01:02:44.760
<v Speaker 1>why not. This will be the first time. But I'll

968
01:02:44.760 --> 01:02:47.880
<v Speaker 1>tell you this will be the first time publicly I've

969
01:02:47.920 --> 01:02:50.480
<v Speaker 1>said it. But I was told that my sponsor was

970
01:02:50.519 --> 01:02:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Senator Sam Nunn when I started my career my uncle.

971
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:02.440
<v Speaker 1>The first thing he had me do for doing an application,

972
01:03:02.559 --> 01:03:05.000
<v Speaker 1>actually was he told me to send a letter to

973
01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Senator Barry Goldwater. It was still in I think the

974
01:03:09.559 --> 01:03:14.519
<v Speaker 1>last year or so of office, so it started as

975
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:16.800
<v Speaker 1>a letter to Barry Goldwater. He told me to word

976
01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:23.119
<v Speaker 1>to put certain phrases in there, and I recall getting

977
01:03:23.159 --> 01:03:26.639
<v Speaker 1>something back and he says, what you're looking for is

978
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:31.639
<v Speaker 1>your interest is appreciated, and that was in there. And

979
01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:33.519
<v Speaker 1>then the next thing he had me do I have

980
01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:35.880
<v Speaker 1>told you about this was he had me come back

981
01:03:35.920 --> 01:03:38.639
<v Speaker 1>and visit him in December of eighty sixth and I

982
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:41.360
<v Speaker 1>went into the I went to the back door of

983
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:47.119
<v Speaker 1>a NASA building at the Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama,

984
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:52.719
<v Speaker 1>and turned in a standard government application. This is before

985
01:03:53.000 --> 01:03:55.480
<v Speaker 1>This was a year before I applied to the bureau.

986
01:03:55.760 --> 01:03:59.400
<v Speaker 1>He had me go to the back door suit and

987
01:03:59.440 --> 01:04:02.880
<v Speaker 1>tie knock on a particular back door, and the guy

988
01:04:02.960 --> 01:04:06.039
<v Speaker 1>came out and said, Walter, yeah, she got something for me,

989
01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:08.400
<v Speaker 1>and I handed in the envelope. He said, go enjoy

990
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:13.559
<v Speaker 1>the museum. I never worked for NASA. I never worked

991
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:16.320
<v Speaker 1>for as far as I knew, for the Army or anything.

992
01:04:16.320 --> 01:04:19.000
<v Speaker 1>But that was I started with Barry Goldwater, who, by

993
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:22.239
<v Speaker 1>the way, we know has had a historical interest in

994
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:26.599
<v Speaker 1>connection to the UFO mystery. Right, and then there I

995
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:29.840
<v Speaker 1>was told to apply at a NASA back door of

996
01:04:29.880 --> 01:04:34.800
<v Speaker 1>a NASA building, of the backside of a NASA building,

997
01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:44.480
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, so it was. It's kind of mysterious. I

998
01:04:44.519 --> 01:04:46.199
<v Speaker 1>forgot why. I mentioned that.

999
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Redstone Arsenal was where Winner von Braun and a lot

1000
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:56.000
<v Speaker 2>of the Project Paper Club Nazis went and set up

1001
01:04:56.480 --> 01:04:59.400
<v Speaker 2>NASA and the rocket development out of right.

1002
01:05:00.280 --> 01:05:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I've told that story before I started. I've

1003
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:06.920
<v Speaker 1>been talking about that for at least ten years or so.

1004
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:11.119
<v Speaker 1>And it's been recently that people interested in the UFO

1005
01:05:11.239 --> 01:05:14.440
<v Speaker 1>mystery have really it's clicked with them about Redstone Arsenal.

1006
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:18.440
<v Speaker 1>So when that story comes up, they go, what wait,

1007
01:05:18.519 --> 01:05:22.159
<v Speaker 1>really that was your first Hapathy. Yeah, and it was

1008
01:05:22.199 --> 01:05:26.719
<v Speaker 1>as mysterious to me then, you know, as it is now. Well,

1009
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:29.119
<v Speaker 1>it's less mysterious now based on you know, all these

1010
01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:32.840
<v Speaker 1>crazy things we know, right, But oh, I was telling

1011
01:05:32.840 --> 01:05:35.480
<v Speaker 1>you about you know, the people. Yeah. So my first

1012
01:05:35.519 --> 01:05:38.199
<v Speaker 1>letter was to Barry Goldwater. Then my first app was

1013
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Tanasa and then my mentor's mentor, his own mentor, like

1014
01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:47.400
<v Speaker 1>what he was, what my mentor was to me. The

1015
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:53.039
<v Speaker 1>man that was that to him was Angleton, James Jesus Angleton,

1016
01:05:53.159 --> 01:05:57.800
<v Speaker 1>the CIA that was his personal mentor. He had been

1017
01:05:58.800 --> 01:06:02.199
<v Speaker 1>drafted in the army and eighteen fifty, my uncle. He

1018
01:06:02.880 --> 01:06:06.920
<v Speaker 1>got into airborne and was brought into Special Ops, special

1019
01:06:06.960 --> 01:06:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Force and Special Ops, and he did a he was

1020
01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:13.880
<v Speaker 1>parachuted in behind the Iron Curtain, as we say, and

1021
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:17.800
<v Speaker 1>he did this mission, followed the instructions, got back into

1022
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:20.599
<v Speaker 1>the West, got back into Western Germany and I think

1023
01:06:20.639 --> 01:06:23.679
<v Speaker 1>West Germany. And when he got back to the States,

1024
01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:28.119
<v Speaker 1>he was told to put on a service dress. He did.

1025
01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.519
<v Speaker 1>He was picked up by a car from Fort Belvoir

1026
01:06:31.039 --> 01:06:34.719
<v Speaker 1>and he was taken to Virginia, the estate of Angleton,

1027
01:06:34.960 --> 01:06:38.119
<v Speaker 1>and that's where he met Angleton was in Engleton's you

1028
01:06:38.159 --> 01:06:41.519
<v Speaker 1>know then office den at his home, and that was

1029
01:06:41.599 --> 01:06:46.360
<v Speaker 1>the man that was his mentor for many years until

1030
01:06:47.079 --> 01:06:50.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, Angleton died. Of course, he didn't tell me.

1031
01:06:50.559 --> 01:06:53.519
<v Speaker 1>He told me that also he identified the mentor in

1032
01:06:53.599 --> 01:06:57.559
<v Speaker 1>the same conversation he told me about Sam Nunn, all

1033
01:06:57.639 --> 01:07:00.000
<v Speaker 1>he ever talked about all the years when he talked

1034
01:07:00.119 --> 01:07:01.679
<v Speaker 1>about his own mentor. He said, the old man, the

1035
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:03.840
<v Speaker 1>old man, the old man, and he says, you know

1036
01:07:04.119 --> 01:07:06.400
<v Speaker 1>you're you're going to a next level in your career

1037
01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:09.400
<v Speaker 1>where you know, basically there's He felt there were some

1038
01:07:09.519 --> 01:07:12.039
<v Speaker 1>things he could tell me a little bit more, and

1039
01:07:12.280 --> 01:07:16.679
<v Speaker 1>Angleton being his mentor, and Sam Nunn apparently being my

1040
01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:22.760
<v Speaker 1>sponsor into what he never revealed. But I've said this

1041
01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:26.960
<v Speaker 1>for years, I've suspected it. When I learned about the

1042
01:07:27.159 --> 01:07:32.519
<v Speaker 1>so called mysterious Collins Elite. It really resonates and matches

1043
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:35.599
<v Speaker 1>things my uncle was telling me for years about his

1044
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:42.079
<v Speaker 1>career and what he was tailoring me for and so

1045
01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:45.719
<v Speaker 1>for again, for what that's worth. I think maybe that

1046
01:07:45.800 --> 01:07:48.920
<v Speaker 1>was in the background, but definitely what he did tell

1047
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:52.360
<v Speaker 1>me was it's this. It was this special group he had.

1048
01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:54.920
<v Speaker 1>He said, I've got four of you because you're one

1049
01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:59.920
<v Speaker 1>of four that I'm mentoring, and you're from different organizations,

1050
01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:07.079
<v Speaker 1>different backgrounds, different talents and abilities. And he never did

1051
01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:10.840
<v Speaker 1>reveal exactly what it was. I was just being tailored for,

1052
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:15.199
<v Speaker 1>but he said all along, it started with this monitoring

1053
01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:17.880
<v Speaker 1>in childhood and this stuff at school.

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01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so we have a lot of stuff going on here.

1055
01:08:22.680 --> 01:08:27.680
<v Speaker 2>We got the Redstone Arsenal, James Jesus Angleton, what she

1056
01:08:27.760 --> 01:08:30.880
<v Speaker 2>brings in a whole other aspect here, and then we

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01:08:30.920 --> 01:08:34.840
<v Speaker 2>have sam Non Before we get into a little bit

1058
01:08:34.840 --> 01:08:38.720
<v Speaker 2>more detail about them, what happened to your application that

1059
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:42.560
<v Speaker 2>you gave to NASA rest in Arsenal. Did they ever

1060
01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:43.600
<v Speaker 2>contact you back?

1061
01:08:44.600 --> 01:08:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Nope. I never overtly heard from NASA. And it was

1062
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:55.319
<v Speaker 1>a standard it was the the SF eighty or whatever.

1063
01:08:55.319 --> 01:08:58.960
<v Speaker 1>That just a standard form for whether you're going to

1064
01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:03.119
<v Speaker 1>empty trash cans or whatever. You know, it's just a

1065
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:08.680
<v Speaker 1>standard form. And yeah, it was. It was all it

1066
01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:11.600
<v Speaker 1>was kind of cloak and daggerish in a way, in

1067
01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:18.479
<v Speaker 1>a casual way, and I know I And then eleven

1068
01:09:18.520 --> 01:09:21.399
<v Speaker 1>months later, because that was December of eighty six, in

1069
01:09:21.439 --> 01:09:25.000
<v Speaker 1>November of eighty seven, I was instructed go into your

1070
01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:27.760
<v Speaker 1>nearest FBI office. There's a satellite office. It's called an

1071
01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:30.880
<v Speaker 1>raa resident agency in Riverside. I went over there and

1072
01:09:30.920 --> 01:09:34.039
<v Speaker 1>I filled out the their basic their verse, the FBI's

1073
01:09:34.119 --> 01:09:37.399
<v Speaker 1>version of a basic two sheet, you know, one sheet,

1074
01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:41.880
<v Speaker 1>two sides, just to any job at all. And here's

1075
01:09:41.960 --> 01:09:45.600
<v Speaker 1>the thing. Even back then, the average background from the

1076
01:09:45.640 --> 01:09:49.159
<v Speaker 1>time you turn an application and report for duty to

1077
01:09:49.159 --> 01:09:52.319
<v Speaker 1>the FBI. Back then, it was eighteen months, okay. I

1078
01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:56.279
<v Speaker 1>turned that in a November of eighty seven, okay, And

1079
01:09:56.640 --> 01:10:00.319
<v Speaker 1>in mid February, I get a call from the BI

1080
01:10:00.399 --> 01:10:04.319
<v Speaker 1>office in La and I'm told report on the fourteenth

1081
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:08.119
<v Speaker 1>of March next month. So it was what December of

1082
01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:12.000
<v Speaker 1>January February, three months after applying, I was informed that

1083
01:10:12.039 --> 01:10:15.000
<v Speaker 1>I was hired. And there were two Now there were

1084
01:10:15.039 --> 01:10:19.479
<v Speaker 1>two backgrounds being done on me by two different agencies simultaneously.

1085
01:10:19.800 --> 01:10:25.720
<v Speaker 1>Because I had one of my references, nice old lady

1086
01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:29.479
<v Speaker 1>who was kind of a surrogate grandmother and had known

1087
01:10:29.520 --> 01:10:31.359
<v Speaker 1>me for a number of years because she was a

1088
01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:35.520
<v Speaker 1>neighbor and a friend. She called me one day she goes, oh,

1089
01:10:35.279 --> 01:10:37.760
<v Speaker 1>the guys just came by and talked to me, you know,

1090
01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:40.760
<v Speaker 1>do the guy the agent came by to you know,

1091
01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:43.359
<v Speaker 1>do your background. Oh okay, how did it go? You know?

1092
01:10:43.439 --> 01:10:46.560
<v Speaker 1>She goes, oh, fine, you know, blah blah blah. The

1093
01:10:46.600 --> 01:10:49.880
<v Speaker 1>next day she calls me and she goes, Walter, I

1094
01:10:49.880 --> 01:10:53.199
<v Speaker 1>don't understand what's up. She goes, two agents showed f

1095
01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:55.840
<v Speaker 1>FBI agents to do your background. And I told them

1096
01:10:55.880 --> 01:10:58.439
<v Speaker 1>I already talked to the other agent, and she said

1097
01:10:58.439 --> 01:11:04.279
<v Speaker 1>they asked another agent because FBI at that time they

1098
01:11:04.279 --> 01:11:08.399
<v Speaker 1>did all their own background investigations. So, as it turned out,

1099
01:11:08.680 --> 01:11:11.720
<v Speaker 1>and I heard this from other sources too, there were

1100
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:16.560
<v Speaker 1>two different organizations independently doing a background on me. I

1101
01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:19.520
<v Speaker 1>have to this day, I have no idea who that

1102
01:11:19.600 --> 01:11:24.000
<v Speaker 1>first background investigator was that talked to the lady in

1103
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:27.760
<v Speaker 1>the story that he was working alone, different badge, different

1104
01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:33.479
<v Speaker 1>ideas than from the FBI guys. So Black Walter, Yeah,

1105
01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:37.199
<v Speaker 1>exactly exactly. It's weird stuff. And you know, God's honest truth,

1106
01:11:37.239 --> 01:11:40.800
<v Speaker 1>that's the weird and there's believe me, there I probably

1107
01:11:40.840 --> 01:11:44.199
<v Speaker 1>should write a book about this particular stuff. I haven't.

1108
01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:46.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't write it. I really, you know, in spite

1109
01:11:46.760 --> 01:11:48.479
<v Speaker 1>of what people might be thinking, because I'm glad blah

1110
01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:51.119
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah, Me Me, Me, I don't really write

1111
01:11:51.239 --> 01:11:53.680
<v Speaker 1>about me a lot if you you know, you know

1112
01:11:53.760 --> 01:11:58.119
<v Speaker 1>that I have one book about me. That's one of

1113
01:11:58.119 --> 01:12:00.960
<v Speaker 1>my shortest books. Know, And.

1114
01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because this is really fascinating. This is like we

1115
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:08.359
<v Speaker 2>could probably talk you you can probably do a whole

1116
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:11.119
<v Speaker 2>freaking three hour long show and all this stuff.

1117
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:15.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, you can't talk about this stuff, you know,

1118
01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:17.880
<v Speaker 1>so I can't. Yeah.

1119
01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:22.880
<v Speaker 2>Redstone Arsenal also has that sister facility, which is Edgewood Arsenal.

1120
01:12:22.920 --> 01:12:26.319
<v Speaker 2>That's where all of the m K Ultra stuff happened

1121
01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:30.479
<v Speaker 2>on Literal Army Soldiers, which was the original name of

1122
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:34.800
<v Speaker 2>that was called the Huntsville Arsenal. So I any different

1123
01:12:34.800 --> 01:12:36.920
<v Speaker 2>things that's happening right here.

1124
01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, it I learned over the years more Huntsville

1125
01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:46.640
<v Speaker 1>and you know, obviously and about you know, the operation

1126
01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Paperclip connection and you know it, you know, kind of

1127
01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:56.119
<v Speaker 1>registered higher on my personal radar, like oh wow, wow,

1128
01:12:56.199 --> 01:12:59.319
<v Speaker 1>he had me go there. You know, at the time,

1129
01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:01.840
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know all this stuff, like you know, anything

1130
01:13:01.840 --> 01:13:08.359
<v Speaker 1>about Edgewood and all that there was. I'm trying to remember.

1131
01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I you know what it was the first It was

1132
01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:19.760
<v Speaker 1>that trip now that I think about it, that when

1133
01:13:19.800 --> 01:13:22.159
<v Speaker 1>I went and did that application to NASA. That was

1134
01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:25.399
<v Speaker 1>the first time I drove by myself cross country from

1135
01:13:25.479 --> 01:13:30.319
<v Speaker 1>California to Alabama. And I stayed in Las Cruces, New

1136
01:13:30.359 --> 01:13:38.680
<v Speaker 1>Mexico one night and when I woke up, my navel

1137
01:13:38.800 --> 01:13:43.800
<v Speaker 1>was itching, and I kind of, you know, and I realized,

1138
01:13:44.960 --> 01:13:51.920
<v Speaker 1>there's a tiny, tiny little scab. What the hell? And

1139
01:13:52.239 --> 01:13:58.600
<v Speaker 1>it was like perhaps a needle had been inserted. And

1140
01:13:58.800 --> 01:14:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I got to tell you, over the years, I'm like,

1141
01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:04.520
<v Speaker 1>because when I was traveled, from the very first time

1142
01:14:05.199 --> 01:14:07.600
<v Speaker 1>I started driving, like to visit and stuff in my

1143
01:14:07.640 --> 01:14:10.760
<v Speaker 1>affiliation with him, he would always tell me exactly what

1144
01:14:10.960 --> 01:14:13.840
<v Speaker 1>route to take. I would get up, I would start

1145
01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:15.880
<v Speaker 1>at five in the morning. He would say, you started,

1146
01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:18.680
<v Speaker 1>oh five hundred, you call me before you leave, tell

1147
01:14:18.680 --> 01:14:22.159
<v Speaker 1>me you're leaving, and then you drive and you don't

1148
01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:23.880
<v Speaker 1>stop driving for the day. I mean, you know, you

1149
01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:25.840
<v Speaker 1>stop for food and stuff like that, and he goes.

1150
01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:28.239
<v Speaker 1>You don't put down for the night until five pm.

1151
01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:31.760
<v Speaker 1>And then you call me, tell me exactly where you're at.

1152
01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:33.680
<v Speaker 1>So he always knew where I was at. Now I

1153
01:14:33.720 --> 01:14:36.680
<v Speaker 1>did learn later he told me, it's kind of comical

1154
01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:40.520
<v Speaker 1>when I am I taking us away off topic.

1155
01:14:41.800 --> 01:14:44.239
<v Speaker 2>No, this is't super fascinating, it's super interested.

1156
01:14:44.920 --> 01:14:47.840
<v Speaker 1>When I first became an agent, after officer training school,

1157
01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:50.000
<v Speaker 1>this is after the FBI, after officer training school, and

1158
01:14:50.039 --> 01:14:53.520
<v Speaker 1>then after agent training, I pack up my wife and son,

1159
01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:59.760
<v Speaker 1>my then wife and son and move them from New

1160
01:14:59.840 --> 01:15:05.399
<v Speaker 1>York to California. And again he tells me the itinerary,

1161
01:15:05.479 --> 01:15:07.159
<v Speaker 1>take this down to there, you know. And he always

1162
01:15:07.159 --> 01:15:10.840
<v Speaker 1>had me go on the ten when I'm crossing the Southwest. Well,

1163
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, this time, I've got my wife and my

1164
01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:16.119
<v Speaker 1>you know, my my three year old son, and I'm thinking,

1165
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:19.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, the ten's kind of the forty is going

1166
01:15:19.680 --> 01:15:22.800
<v Speaker 1>to be more comfortable because there's better hotels, more you know,

1167
01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:26.520
<v Speaker 1>more often restaurants, and better. So I made the brilliant

1168
01:15:26.560 --> 01:15:29.880
<v Speaker 1>command decision while on the road. We get into Arkansas

1169
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:32.399
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I'm gonna take the forty instead of

1170
01:15:32.439 --> 01:15:34.720
<v Speaker 1>the ten. And I didn't think to tell him I

1171
01:15:34.800 --> 01:15:39.119
<v Speaker 1>was going to do that. Long story, Sure, I kind

1172
01:15:39.119 --> 01:15:41.159
<v Speaker 1>of pissed him off, and later he explained why he

1173
01:15:41.239 --> 01:15:45.720
<v Speaker 1>goes he goes dummy. All these years, I've always had

1174
01:15:45.720 --> 01:15:50.439
<v Speaker 1>a team following you, and of course it all comes together.

1175
01:15:50.520 --> 01:15:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Then I'm like, oh, of course I call him when

1176
01:15:53.319 --> 01:15:57.680
<v Speaker 1>I leave Walter, you had dumbass, And he said, when

1177
01:15:57.720 --> 01:16:01.920
<v Speaker 1>you changed the route, they lost you for about an

1178
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:03.800
<v Speaker 1>hour an hour and a half, and so there was

1179
01:16:03.840 --> 01:16:06.800
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a panic, but they reacquired you.

1180
01:16:07.640 --> 01:16:11.359
<v Speaker 1>And you know, remember when he first started this, I

1181
01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:15.359
<v Speaker 1>was not in that business when this incident happened. The

1182
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:18.600
<v Speaker 1>moment he told me when you changed the plan, I

1183
01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:22.600
<v Speaker 1>had already been experienced in advanced surveillance encounters. So it

1184
01:16:22.640 --> 01:16:25.359
<v Speaker 1>all fell into place. I'm like, oh my god, he

1185
01:16:25.479 --> 01:16:28.840
<v Speaker 1>has had people following me, you know, all these for

1186
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:34.479
<v Speaker 1>my safety and so that that was the an over

1187
01:16:34.680 --> 01:16:39.640
<v Speaker 1>to confirm confirmation of that. But all of that to say,

1188
01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:43.399
<v Speaker 1>going back to that first trip, he could easily have

1189
01:16:43.560 --> 01:16:47.760
<v Speaker 1>had people come into my room after I'm asleep, you know,

1190
01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.239
<v Speaker 1>maybe sprint some gas up my nose so that I

1191
01:16:50.279 --> 01:16:53.600
<v Speaker 1>go into a deeper sleep, right and who knows what

1192
01:16:53.640 --> 01:16:55.840
<v Speaker 1>they did to me? What what what might they have

1193
01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:59.319
<v Speaker 1>injected into me through the navel, but that that weird,

1194
01:16:59.359 --> 01:17:02.479
<v Speaker 1>little tiny scab was there for like a few days

1195
01:17:02.960 --> 01:17:06.359
<v Speaker 1>and then you know, the itching stopped. And I've always

1196
01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:10.079
<v Speaker 1>wondered about that, Just what the hell? Because he did

1197
01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:15.279
<v Speaker 1>tell me about they use the drug, the pharmaceutical to

1198
01:17:15.359 --> 01:17:19.279
<v Speaker 1>pour the language into your head in your sleep, and

1199
01:17:19.920 --> 01:17:22.920
<v Speaker 1>other kinds of drugs they use. Well look at mk ultru,

1200
01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:27.239
<v Speaker 1>the LSD and the you know, and the weird look

1201
01:17:27.239 --> 01:17:30.039
<v Speaker 1>at the stuff Bob Lazaar was told to drink, you know,

1202
01:17:30.119 --> 01:17:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the the believable part of Lazar's story included the weird

1203
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:39.600
<v Speaker 1>pine scented liquid that he was told to drink. And

1204
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:41.840
<v Speaker 1>then there's the liquid on the I'm sorry on the

1205
01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Gate program that you know that we were all major

1206
01:17:45.359 --> 01:17:49.000
<v Speaker 1>although mine I don't remember the pink. I remember that

1207
01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:53.000
<v Speaker 1>weird yellow and orange stuff that was given to me

1208
01:17:53.079 --> 01:17:57.239
<v Speaker 1>by the pediatrician. But people, you have to remember, if

1209
01:17:57.279 --> 01:18:01.720
<v Speaker 1>they have access to you through the school program, let

1210
01:18:01.720 --> 01:18:06.079
<v Speaker 1>me tell you, the intelligence community, they can have access

1211
01:18:06.279 --> 01:18:09.319
<v Speaker 1>to you through your doctor, and you not be aware

1212
01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:12.560
<v Speaker 1>at all that your doctor says, oh, I want you

1213
01:18:12.600 --> 01:18:15.880
<v Speaker 1>to take this for a while. Okay, Like I'm on

1214
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:22.000
<v Speaker 1>a particular rheumatoid arthritis medicine, now, you know. I go,

1215
01:18:22.119 --> 01:18:24.359
<v Speaker 1>I pick it up, I take it. It works for

1216
01:18:24.439 --> 01:18:28.479
<v Speaker 1>what it intended purpose. I have no actual way of knowing,

1217
01:18:28.520 --> 01:18:31.479
<v Speaker 1>short of doing my own chemical test, that there might

1218
01:18:31.520 --> 01:18:35.319
<v Speaker 1>not be something else in there that makes me useful

1219
01:18:35.439 --> 01:18:38.640
<v Speaker 1>to them. I don't know. My friend I told you,

1220
01:18:38.720 --> 01:18:42.039
<v Speaker 1>the lady who the two background investigators that I just

1221
01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:45.159
<v Speaker 1>told you about when her husband, who has also friends with,

1222
01:18:46.760 --> 01:18:51.000
<v Speaker 1>Right after her husband passed away, their apartment was broken into,

1223
01:18:52.359 --> 01:18:53.680
<v Speaker 1>and she goes, I need to come over here and

1224
01:18:53.720 --> 01:18:56.800
<v Speaker 1>see something. My apartment was broken into the police just left,

1225
01:18:56.840 --> 01:18:58.079
<v Speaker 1>but I need you to see something. So I go

1226
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:01.039
<v Speaker 1>over there and I go, and I got okay. She

1227
01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:04.520
<v Speaker 1>walks me through. She goes, see the TV and the VCR. Yeah,

1228
01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:11.239
<v Speaker 1>she goes, those are brand new. Okay. And walk in

1229
01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:14.239
<v Speaker 1>the back room and she says, there on her chester door,

1230
01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:18.119
<v Speaker 1>she goes, see my jewelry case. She goes, those are

1231
01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:21.319
<v Speaker 1>real diamonds. Those are this and that stuff there it is.

1232
01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:24.479
<v Speaker 1>And then she showed me this envelope full of cash,

1233
01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:26.399
<v Speaker 1>about three hundred and fifty dollars worth of cash. But

1234
01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:30.399
<v Speaker 1>there it was, you know. And her point was they

1235
01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:33.359
<v Speaker 1>didn't take the TV, they didn't take the cash that

1236
01:19:33.479 --> 01:19:37.520
<v Speaker 1>was clearly visible. They didn't take her jewelry, I said, Louise,

1237
01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:41.119
<v Speaker 1>what did they take? She goes? The only thing missing

1238
01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:44.640
<v Speaker 1>from this apartment was the medicine that the VA had

1239
01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:52.399
<v Speaker 1>issued to Eddie on this special med's program. Now later

1240
01:19:52.520 --> 01:19:55.800
<v Speaker 1>I found out from my mentor what Eddie actually did,

1241
01:19:57.000 --> 01:20:02.000
<v Speaker 1>and he was the one that for when I first

1242
01:20:02.079 --> 01:20:04.920
<v Speaker 1>heard the Nhartico story that's now popular, I heard it

1243
01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:08.520
<v Speaker 1>happen in nineteen sixty with some mysterious thing they've found. Anyway,

1244
01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:11.560
<v Speaker 1>Eddie did intel work for the US Air Force and

1245
01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:16.800
<v Speaker 1>the VA. If you have a medical condition, they will

1246
01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:20.159
<v Speaker 1>give you your meds for free, if you're willing to

1247
01:20:20.239 --> 01:20:23.399
<v Speaker 1>be kind of a pharmaceutical guinea pig. And he was

1248
01:20:23.439 --> 01:20:27.640
<v Speaker 1>on that program. But what my mentor told me was

1249
01:20:27.720 --> 01:20:30.560
<v Speaker 1>when I years later asked Hi about the story, he goes.

1250
01:20:31.079 --> 01:20:35.760
<v Speaker 1>The meds they had him on enhanced his abilities parent

1251
01:20:35.800 --> 01:20:40.600
<v Speaker 1>psychic abilities, and so obviously who broke into the apartment.

1252
01:20:40.880 --> 01:20:43.600
<v Speaker 1>The only thing they took was those medicines. What was

1253
01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:46.560
<v Speaker 1>left over. They didn't want her or anyone to get

1254
01:20:46.600 --> 01:20:49.159
<v Speaker 1>their hands on that medicine. But they don't touch the cash,

1255
01:20:49.239 --> 01:20:52.840
<v Speaker 1>They don't touch the jewelry. They don't touch the you know,

1256
01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:55.560
<v Speaker 1>the TV, the things that tweakers who break in and

1257
01:20:56.039 --> 01:21:00.600
<v Speaker 1>you know want will take that stuff.

1258
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:07.199
<v Speaker 2>So wow, that is super fascinating. Yeah, that's super fascinating.

1259
01:21:07.239 --> 01:21:13.399
<v Speaker 2>So he was doing some kind of oppositions for them psychically.

1260
01:21:13.479 --> 01:21:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he would. That was part of what he did.

1261
01:21:16.880 --> 01:21:18.359
<v Speaker 1>For all I know, it could have included, you know,

1262
01:21:18.439 --> 01:21:21.600
<v Speaker 1>remote viewing. He would disappear, he would go out. She'd

1263
01:21:21.600 --> 01:21:23.479
<v Speaker 1>send him out to get milk and eggs, and he

1264
01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:26.640
<v Speaker 1>would disappear for like three hours on occasion, and then

1265
01:21:26.680 --> 01:21:28.960
<v Speaker 1>he comes strolling back and she would go, Edward, where

1266
01:21:29.000 --> 01:21:32.039
<v Speaker 1>have you been? He goes. You know me, Louisa, I

1267
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:36.079
<v Speaker 1>went to the bookstore and my uncle later told me,

1268
01:21:36.159 --> 01:21:40.640
<v Speaker 1>he goes, he says, he goes, he was going over

1269
01:21:40.640 --> 01:21:43.319
<v Speaker 1>to the base. He's going over to the base and

1270
01:21:43.359 --> 01:21:48.079
<v Speaker 1>doing taskings, intel taskings because that something would come up

1271
01:21:48.079 --> 01:21:49.680
<v Speaker 1>and they'd say, get over here to the base and

1272
01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:52.039
<v Speaker 1>blah blah. Because that's what he was doing, either talking

1273
01:21:52.079 --> 01:21:57.760
<v Speaker 1>with someone that they brought there or you know, augmenting

1274
01:21:57.800 --> 01:22:00.560
<v Speaker 1>whatever they had on. And I don't know the Pacifix.

1275
01:22:01.439 --> 01:22:05.399
<v Speaker 1>All I know is that the weird story that in

1276
01:22:05.479 --> 01:22:12.119
<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty he gets recalled to the Air Force and

1277
01:22:12.159 --> 01:22:16.520
<v Speaker 1>he's gone for a year, and some weird stuff happens

1278
01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:21.840
<v Speaker 1>with that. She's actually told that, you know, he's it's

1279
01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:24.199
<v Speaker 1>a weird story. She was told that he was, that

1280
01:22:24.279 --> 01:22:28.039
<v Speaker 1>he died, that he was killed. And then like eight

1281
01:22:28.079 --> 01:22:33.279
<v Speaker 1>months later, he knocks on our door and he tells her,

1282
01:22:33.399 --> 01:22:37.000
<v Speaker 1>do not ask me what happened. I will not tell you.

1283
01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:42.920
<v Speaker 1>But I'm off active duty, you know, I want to

1284
01:22:42.920 --> 01:22:45.159
<v Speaker 1>focus on our life, you know, that kind of thing.

1285
01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:53.000
<v Speaker 1>But he was still involved with intel work and yeah,

1286
01:22:53.239 --> 01:22:56.560
<v Speaker 1>it's so that's all topic for a whole other show sometime.

1287
01:22:56.680 --> 01:23:01.479
<v Speaker 1>But well, yeah, they broke in and took took the medicine,

1288
01:23:01.640 --> 01:23:04.680
<v Speaker 1>the weird whatever it was he was on that you know,

1289
01:23:04.840 --> 01:23:07.800
<v Speaker 1>enhanced his abilities, that's what they took.

1290
01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:12.159
<v Speaker 2>What.

1291
01:23:13.479 --> 01:23:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought I told you this story. I thought

1292
01:23:16.439 --> 01:23:18.199
<v Speaker 1>maybe I'd discussed this on your show.

1293
01:23:20.119 --> 01:23:24.319
<v Speaker 2>No, you've never talked about this. They told her that

1294
01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:28.560
<v Speaker 2>he died. Yeah, he probably was supposed to die or

1295
01:23:28.640 --> 01:23:31.039
<v Speaker 2>they were doing some kind of fake thing and he

1296
01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:34.520
<v Speaker 2>wasn't supposed to return, but when something got switched up

1297
01:23:34.560 --> 01:23:36.760
<v Speaker 2>and then it was made it possible for him to

1298
01:23:36.840 --> 01:23:37.720
<v Speaker 2>actually come back.

1299
01:23:37.920 --> 01:23:40.199
<v Speaker 1>Well, yes, since we're going into it what my uncle

1300
01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:42.960
<v Speaker 1>told me. He goes, he had an encounter. He was

1301
01:23:43.000 --> 01:23:46.279
<v Speaker 1>sent to Antarctica. He had an encounter, and he lost

1302
01:23:46.319 --> 01:23:49.079
<v Speaker 1>his marbles, he lost his mind, and they didn't think

1303
01:23:49.079 --> 01:23:50.520
<v Speaker 1>he was going to pull out of it at all.

1304
01:23:50.640 --> 01:23:53.239
<v Speaker 1>So they made the decision to just tell her he

1305
01:23:53.279 --> 01:23:57.479
<v Speaker 1>got killed. And then it's like eight months later after

1306
01:23:57.520 --> 01:24:00.720
<v Speaker 1>she gets that that actually what it was. The phone rang.

1307
01:24:00.840 --> 01:24:02.960
<v Speaker 1>It was him. He said, I'll be there in ten minutes,

1308
01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:05.399
<v Speaker 1>and she was like, oh my god, there he's knocking

1309
01:24:05.479 --> 01:24:10.119
<v Speaker 1>on her door. And she said that before that, their

1310
01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:13.039
<v Speaker 1>marriage was they weren't like really getting along all that good,

1311
01:24:13.119 --> 01:24:14.720
<v Speaker 1>and it was probably a good thing he went there

1312
01:24:14.720 --> 01:24:16.119
<v Speaker 1>for and they were probably gonna end up, you know,

1313
01:24:16.159 --> 01:24:19.279
<v Speaker 1>getting divorced. And then that happened, and she goes, Now

1314
01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:22.000
<v Speaker 1>the Eddie that came back to me, She goes, Walter,

1315
01:24:22.079 --> 01:24:24.760
<v Speaker 1>that's the eddie you and I know today. He was

1316
01:24:24.840 --> 01:24:28.399
<v Speaker 1>like changed. It was different, you know, a lot more gentler,

1317
01:24:28.960 --> 01:24:32.800
<v Speaker 1>you know. And but he was the guy who and

1318
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:36.319
<v Speaker 1>I have told this story elsewhere, so if you know

1319
01:24:36.520 --> 01:24:41.199
<v Speaker 1>for over the years, he's the guy that my uncle

1320
01:24:41.239 --> 01:24:45.760
<v Speaker 1>told me about. In nineteen sixty there was this big

1321
01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:51.720
<v Speaker 1>hole they found in Antarctica, and they found huge machinery

1322
01:24:52.359 --> 01:24:57.359
<v Speaker 1>that was ancient. And the people, the personnel that went

1323
01:24:57.439 --> 01:24:59.840
<v Speaker 1>down there, the things they saw and what they encountered.

1324
01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:03.359
<v Speaker 1>I just drove half of them nuts. And I was

1325
01:25:03.399 --> 01:25:06.319
<v Speaker 1>told that Eddie was one of them. See. I was

1326
01:25:06.319 --> 01:25:10.640
<v Speaker 1>told this in the mid nineties. Okay, and it sounds

1327
01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:12.880
<v Speaker 1>like the narrative that we've been hearing what the last

1328
01:25:12.920 --> 01:25:17.119
<v Speaker 1>ten years or so, like the seal one told Linda

1329
01:25:17.159 --> 01:25:20.439
<v Speaker 1>how this and others. But they're told that, oh, this

1330
01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:23.199
<v Speaker 1>just happened in the two thousands. Well no, I was

1331
01:25:23.239 --> 01:25:27.239
<v Speaker 1>told the same narrative in the mid nineties and told

1332
01:25:27.239 --> 01:25:31.279
<v Speaker 1>that it happened over thirty years before. That's what I

1333
01:25:31.319 --> 01:25:35.720
<v Speaker 1>was told. So when this reemerged, I have since wondered

1334
01:25:37.439 --> 01:25:39.760
<v Speaker 1>because I want people to come away from this not

1335
01:25:39.840 --> 01:25:44.279
<v Speaker 1>thinking I'm entirely naive. When this started emerging, like through Lenha,

1336
01:25:44.319 --> 01:25:49.359
<v Speaker 1>Milton Howe and stuff, I'm like, Okay, I wonder if, well,

1337
01:25:49.399 --> 01:25:51.319
<v Speaker 1>my uncle told me this narrative. This is like the

1338
01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:54.760
<v Speaker 1>standard BS narrative they throw at you to see how

1339
01:25:54.840 --> 01:25:58.720
<v Speaker 1>gullible you are right and to test you. Because he

1340
01:25:58.840 --> 01:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>told me, under no circumstances do you talk to anyone

1341
01:26:01.640 --> 01:26:05.680
<v Speaker 1>about this. And I never talked about this publicly or

1342
01:26:05.760 --> 01:26:10.920
<v Speaker 1>even privately until the two thousands because he told me don't.

1343
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:18.199
<v Speaker 1>And so I wondered, Okay, was he testing my trustworthiness

1344
01:26:18.199 --> 01:26:21.039
<v Speaker 1>by telling me this wild ass story saying how secret

1345
01:26:21.079 --> 01:26:23.840
<v Speaker 1>it is, don't you dare say anything? Because it's so

1346
01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:28.079
<v Speaker 1>wild but so specific that if I had run my mouth,

1347
01:26:28.520 --> 01:26:30.520
<v Speaker 1>they would be able to trace who ran his mouth.

1348
01:26:31.039 --> 01:26:33.520
<v Speaker 1>And that is a common way. It's called inking the waters,

1349
01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:36.640
<v Speaker 1>you know. That's a common way to test a source

1350
01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:38.000
<v Speaker 1>or an asset.

1351
01:26:38.199 --> 01:26:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Is also how they do documents as well. They'll give

1352
01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:45.319
<v Speaker 2>certain people documents with certain phrases and stuff in it,

1353
01:26:45.520 --> 01:26:47.720
<v Speaker 2>so if that one gets leaked out, they know exactly

1354
01:26:47.720 --> 01:26:48.359
<v Speaker 2>who leaked it.

1355
01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'm wondering if maybe you know that was

1356
01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:55.479
<v Speaker 1>being if you know, if it was the Antarctica's story

1357
01:26:55.560 --> 01:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>was bs. But here's the thing, always the older lady

1358
01:27:01.800 --> 01:27:05.680
<v Speaker 1>she confirmed the part of the story about being told

1359
01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:09.479
<v Speaker 1>he was killed. That's why I that's actually what motivated

1360
01:27:09.479 --> 01:27:12.199
<v Speaker 1>me to go to my uncle and say, hey, but oh,

1361
01:27:12.279 --> 01:27:16.119
<v Speaker 1>because one I've left, I'm sorry, and I've for my credibility.

1362
01:27:16.119 --> 01:27:18.439
<v Speaker 1>I have told this story elsewhere and didn't leave out

1363
01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:23.079
<v Speaker 1>these details. Not only did they not take money or valuables,

1364
01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:27.239
<v Speaker 1>they left some stuff behind. And one of the things

1365
01:27:27.279 --> 01:27:31.239
<v Speaker 1>they left behind was a US Air Force Arctic weather

1366
01:27:31.880 --> 01:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>parka and it had the we call them the tapes

1367
01:27:36.520 --> 01:27:41.479
<v Speaker 1>said US Air Force. And it had I recall on

1368
01:27:41.560 --> 01:27:44.640
<v Speaker 1>his on the on the tape, it had his rank

1369
01:27:44.840 --> 01:27:47.600
<v Speaker 1>and name. Usually it's your name and your rank is

1370
01:27:47.640 --> 01:27:50.640
<v Speaker 1>subdued on a BDU type thing, but it had m Aj.

1371
01:27:50.920 --> 01:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Major Lundy and you know, and she goes, I've never

1372
01:27:56.560 --> 01:27:59.600
<v Speaker 1>seen that before. This is part of what prompted me

1373
01:27:59.640 --> 01:28:01.920
<v Speaker 1>to go of my mentor and say uh. And I

1374
01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:06.199
<v Speaker 1>told him this story. And at first he said, I

1375
01:28:06.239 --> 01:28:12.000
<v Speaker 1>can't tell you until I see you, you know. And

1376
01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:14.439
<v Speaker 1>and then when he did see me again, he goes,

1377
01:28:14.479 --> 01:28:16.479
<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you all the details. But Eddie was

1378
01:28:16.479 --> 01:28:19.199
<v Speaker 1>connected with Air Force Intelligence, and then later I was

1379
01:28:19.239 --> 01:28:21.720
<v Speaker 1>with the f I had when he told me that much,

1380
01:28:21.760 --> 01:28:25.840
<v Speaker 1>I had started with the FBI, and then later when

1381
01:28:25.840 --> 01:28:28.279
<v Speaker 1>I was Air Force so as I then he told

1382
01:28:28.319 --> 01:28:33.760
<v Speaker 1>me the Antarctica part of it. So, for for what

1383
01:28:34.079 --> 01:28:38.079
<v Speaker 1>that's worth, that's one of their my my weird background

1384
01:28:40.640 --> 01:28:43.279
<v Speaker 1>with this stuff for and again it's I lay it

1385
01:28:43.279 --> 01:28:47.159
<v Speaker 1>out there for people to process and you know, decide,

1386
01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:49.600
<v Speaker 1>decide for yourself.

1387
01:28:50.960 --> 01:28:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Right, Really incredible, really incredible. The last thing that I

1388
01:28:57.600 --> 01:28:59.600
<v Speaker 2>want to head on before I let you go is

1389
01:29:00.800 --> 01:29:08.000
<v Speaker 2>back to Sam Nunn. According to you know, because you

1390
01:29:08.000 --> 01:29:11.359
<v Speaker 2>you have told me before who this person was, and uh,

1391
01:29:12.399 --> 01:29:14.039
<v Speaker 2>I think that this is the first time you've ever

1392
01:29:14.079 --> 01:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>revealed it publicly.

1393
01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is.

1394
01:29:16.720 --> 01:29:18.119
<v Speaker 2>Thank you for doing that. I appreciate it.

1395
01:29:18.119 --> 01:29:19.760
<v Speaker 1>We'll see how much trouble I get into.

1396
01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:26.199
<v Speaker 2>But because we did a little research into him and

1397
01:29:26.239 --> 01:29:28.159
<v Speaker 2>it turns out he's actually still alive.

1398
01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever attempted to never met it, never attempted

1399
01:29:32.720 --> 01:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>to contact him yet. I wasn't sure how appropriate that

1400
01:29:39.600 --> 01:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>would be or if he would even acknowledge, you know,

1401
01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:47.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean something like this. He'd probably ignored. I don't know.

1402
01:29:47.600 --> 01:29:50.279
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I should try it, I mean, my gosh, before

1403
01:29:50.319 --> 01:29:54.560
<v Speaker 1>he checks out, you know, because he's several years older

1404
01:29:54.600 --> 01:29:58.960
<v Speaker 1>than I am.

1405
01:29:59.199 --> 01:30:04.479
<v Speaker 2>Yes, because I think the gene No. Yeah, James Jesus

1406
01:30:04.600 --> 01:30:08.359
<v Speaker 2>Ingleton died in nineteen eighty seven.

1407
01:30:08.960 --> 01:30:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and.

1408
01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Sam Nunn be he got into August, got into office

1409
01:30:19.239 --> 01:30:26.960
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty seven. So James Jesus Ingleton dies in

1410
01:30:27.039 --> 01:30:32.159
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty seven and saying non gets becomes a chair

1411
01:30:32.239 --> 01:30:37.600
<v Speaker 2>in the Senator of Armed Services Committee in nineteen eighty seven. Yeah,

1412
01:30:38.920 --> 01:30:41.840
<v Speaker 2>which is kind of interesting because in James Jesus Ingleton

1413
01:30:42.319 --> 01:30:44.279
<v Speaker 2>was the mentor to your mentor.

1414
01:30:44.319 --> 01:30:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Correct, Yes, yes, he was my mentor's mentor.

1415
01:30:48.600 --> 01:30:56.800
<v Speaker 2>And there was a lot of weird things with James

1416
01:30:57.199 --> 01:30:59.159
<v Speaker 2>Jesus Singleton. Did you ever meet him?

1417
01:31:00.000 --> 01:31:03.359
<v Speaker 1>Ever met him? I was, of course when by the

1418
01:31:03.399 --> 01:31:06.319
<v Speaker 1>time he laid on me that Angleton was the mentor

1419
01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>he'd been talking about all these years. I had been

1420
01:31:08.680 --> 01:31:12.000
<v Speaker 1>in counterintelligence for twelve years, and of course I knew

1421
01:31:12.079 --> 01:31:15.840
<v Speaker 1>exactly who he was. Anybody encountered, anybody who studies modern

1422
01:31:15.880 --> 01:31:18.760
<v Speaker 1>American history has heard of Angleton, but particularly in the

1423
01:31:18.800 --> 01:31:22.760
<v Speaker 1>profession I was in. Holy crap, you know Angleton because

1424
01:31:22.880 --> 01:31:26.800
<v Speaker 1>he does have a a bit of a checkered biography,

1425
01:31:27.359 --> 01:31:31.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean, there are those who are Angleton haters.

1426
01:31:31.680 --> 01:31:34.479
<v Speaker 1>There are those who, you know, the guy who's perfect,

1427
01:31:34.520 --> 01:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>could do no wrong. You know, I kind of presently

1428
01:31:41.039 --> 01:31:45.039
<v Speaker 1>reserve my opinion I never met him. I think there's

1429
01:31:45.119 --> 01:31:48.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that critics just simply flat out

1430
01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>don't know about the spook world that they don't understand

1431
01:31:53.960 --> 01:31:56.560
<v Speaker 1>would explain some of the things that they see as

1432
01:31:56.640 --> 01:32:05.119
<v Speaker 1>negative about him and others. So, you know, I presently

1433
01:32:05.159 --> 01:32:10.399
<v Speaker 1>I don't see Angleton as a villain in history. There

1434
01:32:10.439 --> 01:32:15.000
<v Speaker 1>are those who do, I understand too well.

1435
01:32:15.000 --> 01:32:18.800
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to vilify people just based off of like

1436
01:32:19.640 --> 01:32:23.279
<v Speaker 2>little known history that you know about the person. And

1437
01:32:23.680 --> 01:32:26.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of this stuff is these people's jobs,

1438
01:32:26.880 --> 01:32:29.920
<v Speaker 2>Like it's their job to do this, Like it's their

1439
01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:34.439
<v Speaker 2>job to you know, spy on people and do this

1440
01:32:34.520 --> 01:32:36.680
<v Speaker 2>type of thing, like that's what they're paid to do.

1441
01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:39.479
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's that's just what it is. And you

1442
01:32:39.479 --> 01:32:42.079
<v Speaker 2>can't be mad at them for doing what their job is.

1443
01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:46.159
<v Speaker 1>What their job is, Yeah, you know, and as long

1444
01:32:46.199 --> 01:32:51.640
<v Speaker 1>as it's not you know, you know, some people believe

1445
01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:53.239
<v Speaker 1>it or you know, I have to tell them believe

1446
01:32:53.239 --> 01:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>it or not. Whether you want to believe it or not.

1447
01:32:55.000 --> 01:33:00.680
<v Speaker 1>We really that there's a ranks I worked in. There's

1448
01:33:00.680 --> 01:33:03.119
<v Speaker 1>a deep respect for the Constitution, and that's our line.

1449
01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:08.880
<v Speaker 1>This is why, as a former federal agent. I'm not

1450
01:33:08.880 --> 01:33:10.319
<v Speaker 1>going to go off on a rant on this, but

1451
01:33:10.399 --> 01:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm just stating this. This is why, as a former

1452
01:33:12.680 --> 01:33:17.760
<v Speaker 1>federal agent myself, the activities of ICE over the last

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<v Speaker 1>year or so I find reprehensible and disgusting and unacceptable

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<v Speaker 1>from federal agents period. I'll leave it at that, because

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<v Speaker 1>we really do have a respect for that in the

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01:33:33.119 --> 01:33:36.439
<v Speaker 1>rights and stuff. So I never did anything in the

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01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:42.399
<v Speaker 1>course of my duties that violated that, you know, never

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01:33:42.560 --> 01:33:49.359
<v Speaker 1>tortured anyone, never, never did. My job was going after

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01:33:50.520 --> 01:33:55.640
<v Speaker 1>foreign agents and terrorists, you know. And this one of

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01:33:55.720 --> 01:33:58.800
<v Speaker 1>the things that bothers me in our community is this theme.

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<v Speaker 1>And some people that are of mine, they're constantly harping

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<v Speaker 1>on this, Oh, a counterintelligence agent's job, their whole job

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01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:07.600
<v Speaker 1>is just to lie to us, to lie to us,

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<v Speaker 1>all because of those who have worked with disinformation. So

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01:34:14.359 --> 01:34:19.680
<v Speaker 1>now all counterintelligence agents, by people in this community are

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01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:22.880
<v Speaker 1>absolutely defined as just their job is to lie to

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01:34:22.920 --> 01:34:25.359
<v Speaker 1>the public. And I kind of take personal offense to

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<v Speaker 1>that because in a way, okay, yeah, disinformation, but not

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<v Speaker 1>all of us, not all of us were part of that,

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, that wasn't Any disinformation I was involved

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01:34:40.600 --> 01:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>with was always aimed and targeted at foreign intelligence agencies

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<v Speaker 1>hostive foreign intelligence agencies. At no time in my career

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<v Speaker 1>as a counterintelligence counter espionage guy was I involved with

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01:34:55.479 --> 01:34:59.319
<v Speaker 1>lying to the American Company, and so I take offense

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<v Speaker 1>to this this broad brush description in the UFO community

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01:35:05.000 --> 01:35:08.039
<v Speaker 1>and the conspiracy community about all CIA agents and that's

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<v Speaker 1>just a little professional right there speaking.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, you can understand seeing them from their perspective

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01:35:14.479 --> 01:35:19.600
<v Speaker 2>because it seems like that's what's happening right now. But yes,

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01:35:19.720 --> 01:35:23.520
<v Speaker 2>you were involved, but that seems to be right, what

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01:35:24.319 --> 01:35:27.039
<v Speaker 2>is going on right now in this very day that.

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<v Speaker 1>There are You're right, there are guys doing it. I

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01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:32.119
<v Speaker 1>think I thought from the get go that Alizonda was

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<v Speaker 1>doing it. And you know a lot of this, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>me too. I'm a CIA guy or former intelligence guy

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01:35:40.279 --> 01:35:42.960
<v Speaker 1>who's had an encounter. I'm an experiencer. I saw that

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01:35:43.039 --> 01:35:47.279
<v Speaker 1>as a as a perception management tactic all along from

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01:35:47.319 --> 01:35:49.159
<v Speaker 1>the beginning, and I think I was one of three

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01:35:49.239 --> 01:35:52.119
<v Speaker 1>people in the community that spoke out about it starting

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01:35:52.159 --> 01:35:55.640
<v Speaker 1>in twenty seventeen and took a lot of crap from people.

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01:35:55.960 --> 01:35:59.239
<v Speaker 1>I would have people getting angry at me when I suggested,

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01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:06.159
<v Speaker 1>tik TeX's probably our technology. You know, MG, what is

1493
01:36:06.199 --> 01:36:10.279
<v Speaker 1>it turned out to be? Generally everybody accepts now because

1494
01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:13.640
<v Speaker 1>of the evidence that says it that it was our technology,

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01:36:13.720 --> 01:36:15.439
<v Speaker 1>and this is this is kind of one of my

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01:36:15.560 --> 01:36:19.159
<v Speaker 1>piece with the with UFOLOGY sometimes as they get enthused

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01:36:19.239 --> 01:36:22.199
<v Speaker 1>because something comes out that excites them. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going to be if you're going to consider

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<v Speaker 1>yourself or put yourself out there as somebody who investigates anything,

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01:36:32.840 --> 01:36:36.600
<v Speaker 1>us professional investigators there therefore are going to hold you

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<v Speaker 1>to the same standard we'reheld to. And I want to

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01:36:39.199 --> 01:36:43.239
<v Speaker 1>see discernment and this peeve that I mentioned, that's a

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01:36:43.239 --> 01:36:47.399
<v Speaker 1>good way to practice discernment. They should be saying there

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01:36:47.479 --> 01:36:52.359
<v Speaker 1>are some federal agents who get involved in this disinformation stuff,

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01:36:52.399 --> 01:36:55.079
<v Speaker 1>but we're not going to paint all of them that way,

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01:36:55.880 --> 01:36:58.439
<v Speaker 1>because why is that harmful. I've been out here for

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01:36:58.560 --> 01:37:00.960
<v Speaker 1>years and people know my background. When we start painting

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01:37:01.000 --> 01:37:03.880
<v Speaker 1>CI agents in that way, all of them with a

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01:37:03.880 --> 01:37:08.199
<v Speaker 1>broad brush, then that that affects my credibility. And I've

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01:37:08.199 --> 01:37:12.359
<v Speaker 1>been nothing but honest with you know, the UFOLOGY public,

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01:37:13.039 --> 01:37:15.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, and I've been around for some years, and

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01:37:15.840 --> 01:37:18.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be painted with that brush. So

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01:37:19.279 --> 01:37:19.600
<v Speaker 1>for what.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely agree, Walter. Thanks so much for coming on, brother.

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01:37:24.239 --> 01:37:27.079
<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate it. Very fascinating conversation. We could probably

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01:37:27.199 --> 01:37:32.319
<v Speaker 2>keep talking about it. With everything that you show for

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01:37:32.359 --> 01:37:35.079
<v Speaker 2>another like three or four hours on this bad ball bet.

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01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:38.079
<v Speaker 2>Can you let people know where to find you online

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01:37:38.159 --> 01:37:40.319
<v Speaker 2>social media where they can purchase your books?

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01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:42.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Well right there as you can see where I

1521
01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:45.479
<v Speaker 1>name thing is books only at Lulu. Please do not

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01:37:45.560 --> 01:37:47.840
<v Speaker 1>go to Amazon looking for my books people. I don't

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01:37:47.880 --> 01:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>market there, I don't distribute there. It's because it's terrible

1524
01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:55.920
<v Speaker 1>for listening to listen to publishing industry professionals. That's how you.

1525
01:37:56.000 --> 01:37:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Amazon's actually terrible increasingly for small press publishers and independent

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01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:02.960
<v Speaker 1>author So I don't sell an Amazon. Go to Lulu.

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01:38:03.239 --> 01:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>That's where you from my books to see me talk

1528
01:38:05.600 --> 01:38:07.760
<v Speaker 1>about stuff for what it's worth if you want to.

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01:38:08.239 --> 01:38:12.319
<v Speaker 1>It's the Walter Bossley channel at YouTube is where I

1530
01:38:12.359 --> 01:38:16.319
<v Speaker 1>do you know, like my streaming and podcasting stuff. And yeah,

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01:38:16.359 --> 01:38:19.159
<v Speaker 1>so Walter Bossi channel at YouTube, books at Lu.

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01:38:21.680 --> 01:38:23.520
<v Speaker 2>For everyone else, please be sure to hit the thumbs

1533
01:38:23.600 --> 01:38:25.479
<v Speaker 2>up button help the channel on the algorithm, share a

1534
01:38:25.479 --> 01:38:28.960
<v Speaker 2>subscribe at the bell icon as well for notification. Amazon

1535
01:38:29.079 --> 01:38:32.840
<v Speaker 2>might be bad for books, but Amazon is good for

1536
01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:35.239
<v Speaker 2>movies and independent filmmaker.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm an Amazon shopper. I just got my new

1538
01:38:39.479 --> 01:38:43.520
<v Speaker 1>fan from I mean as a shopper buying household items

1539
01:38:43.520 --> 01:38:47.560
<v Speaker 1>and things like that, socks, so I love it, but oddly,

1540
01:38:47.760 --> 01:38:53.119
<v Speaker 1>as an author and publisher, it's it's weirdly not good.

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01:38:53.920 --> 01:38:56.680
<v Speaker 2>I've heard that You're not the only person that I've

1542
01:38:57.199 --> 01:39:00.600
<v Speaker 2>heard say that they're not the best for books and

1543
01:39:00.920 --> 01:39:04.000
<v Speaker 2>publishers and stuff like that, that they take a large,

1544
01:39:04.119 --> 01:39:08.680
<v Speaker 2>large percentage of the profits. But for for movies and

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01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:14.159
<v Speaker 2>for independent filmmakers and creators and other content creators, it's

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01:39:14.199 --> 01:39:16.920
<v Speaker 2>really good. So check out Psychic Agent the Gay Program

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01:39:17.279 --> 01:39:19.600
<v Speaker 2>on Amazon Prime. The link is in the description, and

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01:39:19.640 --> 01:39:22.399
<v Speaker 2>if you would like a physical DVD copy, you can

1549
01:39:22.439 --> 01:39:25.760
<v Speaker 2>purchase one from me. Send me an email at Raised

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01:39:25.800 --> 01:39:28.960
<v Speaker 2>by Giants at outlook dot com, or check the link

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01:39:29.239 --> 01:39:33.039
<v Speaker 2>in the description to my PayPal account. Thanks everyone, Thanks Walter,

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01:39:33.159 --> 01:39:33.800
<v Speaker 2>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye bye,
