Speaker 1: The psychic and mental abilities go beyond the physical. So
Speaker 1: I do I I have begun to think that this
Speaker 1: gate training and exposure really is to to just prepare
Speaker 1: assets intelligence assets on that spooky level for their entire lifetime.
Speaker 2: I one agree with that. I think that that is
Speaker 2: exactly what it is. And the thing about it is
Speaker 2: is that they don't even really know. That's that's the
Speaker 2: whole point of the operation is to get people recruited
Speaker 2: in have them working for you, and they don't even
Speaker 2: know exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unwitting, You're you're you're unwitting. One of the things
Speaker 1: they can do, for example, is they can pour a
Speaker 1: language into your head and in a very very short order,
Speaker 1: make you fluent in a language, send you off operationally
Speaker 1: where you're using that language. You come back, they put
Speaker 1: you under and under hypnosis, they do the debriefing. You
Speaker 1: do that debriefing in the language, and then they bring
Speaker 1: you out a bit and you know, classic Manchurian candidate stuff.
Speaker 1: You don't remember that.
Speaker 3: And so what they decided that they needed to do
Speaker 3: is they needed to go find people who are psychic,
Speaker 3: people who have psychic capabilities of telepathic communication.
Speaker 1: And esp etc.
Speaker 3: And so they go and they try to recruit them.
Speaker 3: And what they found out is that they didn't dare
Speaker 3: recruit full adults because they would tell about it and
Speaker 3: they didn't want to sign a non disclosure agreement and
Speaker 3: then they go tell somebody. So what they did is
Speaker 3: they went after children.
Speaker 1: One three.
Speaker 3: This evening is titled The Children and the CIA. Tonight
Speaker 3: we'll learn of the agency's interest in children.
Speaker 1: Part of the gate program where I was pulled out
Speaker 1: of the room by a guy in a suit.
Speaker 2: I went in and did like the different like tones
Speaker 2: in the leftier tones in the right ear different, you know,
Speaker 2: raising your.
Speaker 1: Hand in these weird things they had kids do is
Speaker 1: the strange liquid that your pin rink, that pintrin that
Speaker 1: they're always shoting down.
Speaker 2: So to really understand what I'm talking about, you have
Speaker 2: to go back to nineteen fifty eight. It's a spot neck.
Speaker 2: Nineteen fifty eight marked the first time government became involved
Speaker 2: with public school. With this new policy came identifying gifted
Speaker 2: and talented children, who's.
Speaker 3: Gifted, who's talented, and taking them out and giving them
Speaker 3: different education.
Speaker 2: What that different education is cuts back to the draw interest.
Speaker 1: Yet you should be hearing my voice in your right
Speaker 1: ear until I heard those Gateway tapes and I was like, whoa,
Speaker 1: this is very very similar.
Speaker 2: These gate programs are grooming with people to take roles
Speaker 2: in society.
Speaker 3: Entertainers, corporate owners, politicians.
Speaker 1: Discussed the fact that Charlie was indeed a gifted child
Speaker 1: who went to a literal children's school for the gifted.
Speaker 1: But they're looking at you long before that. They are
Speaker 1: looking at you from childhood.
Speaker 2: The Thuds have a record file on every single child
Speaker 2: from preschool to your career. Your Laxation program by Thomas H. Bodinski, PhD.
Speaker 1: Here they are? Could they and would they have just
Speaker 1: advanced to making psychics.
Speaker 2: By testing for esp abilities?
Speaker 1: You could go to Gary places with that.
Speaker 2: Do you know anybody else that has the task? I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody else in the program. You know,
Speaker 1: they have a front for a front for a front.
Speaker 1: So what are they covering up?
Speaker 2: Do you believe that this could have been?
Speaker 1: But absolutely, you're not crazy.
Speaker 2: The government really was doing psychic testing on children, and
Speaker 2: I'm going to prove it.
Speaker 1: You're finally starting out. I should be hearing my voice.
Speaker 1: You should be hearing my voice. You should be hearing
Speaker 1: my voice. In your right ear them.
Speaker 2: Walter Bosley, welcome back to the show. It's good to
Speaker 2: see you. How are things.
Speaker 1: Going, great, writer, It's always good to be here. Just
Speaker 1: surviving this heat wave like everybody else.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear that. It's pretty it's getting hot kind
Speaker 2: of everywhere at the moment. But oh yeah, all over
Speaker 2: approaching the end of August. There is probably gonna start
Speaker 2: cooling down anytime soon. So but yeah, we got the
Speaker 2: new movie out. It is available on Amazon Prime. You
Speaker 2: were a part of the movie. You were in the movie,
Speaker 2: and but that aside of you being in the movie,
Speaker 2: what were your initial impressions from watching it? What did
Speaker 2: you think about it?
Speaker 1: I really I liked it once again, you know, another
Speaker 1: good one. And I like how you at least from
Speaker 1: my perspective, it's kind of the first half you're talking
Speaker 1: to the r V people and you know, kind of
Speaker 1: setting up and telling the story of that, and then
Speaker 1: that second half you know, getting you know, really into
Speaker 1: the Gate program. It's it's almost like it's you get
Speaker 1: two and one. Yet they you know, have their their
Speaker 1: direct connection, you know. So so I really like the
Speaker 1: speaking from a filmmaker structural perspective. But you know, you
Speaker 1: talked with the I mean, you really got access to,
Speaker 1: you know, some good sources on that that you know,
Speaker 1: people that you know, you don't always see like some
Speaker 1: of one of the r vers. I don't think I've
Speaker 1: seen him on anything in years.
Speaker 4: And you know the fact that you were able to
Speaker 4: talk with those guys, you know, I think that's kind
Speaker 4: of the you know, it's the going to the source
Speaker 4: because there's so much.
Speaker 1: Popular hubbub about these programs, right and that there's there
Speaker 1: in mythology grows up around that. That what I like
Speaker 1: about it is that you present it, you know, as
Speaker 1: you usually do. You go to the source. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's a good one and
Speaker 1: I think it in a way augments Clockwork Shining and
Speaker 1: you know some of the other ones you've done so
Speaker 1: very good.
Speaker 2: Definitely when it comes to the MK Ultra programs and
Speaker 2: you know what was going on there, because that's a
Speaker 2: very interesting aspect of this and the mk Ultra subprojects
Speaker 2: pertaining to you know, psychic and ESP research and you
Speaker 2: know the subproject I believe it was eighty three and
Speaker 2: then Subproject one thirty six was for psychic testing and
Speaker 2: ESP discovering that and like there was an entire project
Speaker 2: just for that. And then we show in the movie
Speaker 2: where Subproject one thirty six directly talks about psychic testing
Speaker 2: on children. So I'm like, oh, wow, this is a
Speaker 2: it is all really connected. But I think that, you know,
Speaker 2: some people might be getting confused about, you know, all
Speaker 2: of the programs, because there's three different distinct programs that
Speaker 2: we really talk including mk ulture in there, which is
Speaker 2: the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit which ran from nineteen seventy
Speaker 2: eight up until nineteen ninety nine and that was shut down.
Speaker 1: Then we had the Monroe Institute.
Speaker 2: Gateway Project or Gateway Program or Gateway Experience right there,
Speaker 2: and that's a completely separate program, even though that is
Speaker 2: related in that Army personnel. Army Intelligence sent Army personnel
Speaker 2: to the Monroe Institute to study under Robert Monroe to
Speaker 2: find out if going outside of your body is somehow
Speaker 2: related to remote viewing or if it could be used
Speaker 2: to help somebody remote view. Then we have the gate
Speaker 2: Public School Gifted and Talented Education Program, which is no
Speaker 2: way connected to the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit other than
Speaker 2: it may have some things to do with psychic abilities
Speaker 2: and testing.
Speaker 1: And recruiting, you know, down the road. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this individual was as a kid, was in the Gate program,
Speaker 1: and this is what we have on them. Okay, now
Speaker 1: let's see if they're worth Let's see what they're doing
Speaker 1: now and see if they'll take to this remote viewing
Speaker 1: right based on what we know, what we collected on
Speaker 1: them from the gate breaking, which is essentially my perspective,
Speaker 1: from what my mentor my uncle told me. You know,
Speaker 1: he he got me into what he got me into.
Speaker 1: And I first learned about r V from him in
Speaker 1: the mid eighties, but he had told me, of course
Speaker 1: I had been in the Gate program, So you know,
Speaker 1: that's from my perspective. It's potential recruitment, is how you
Speaker 1: to And I think.
Speaker 2: You even mentioned in the movie, or maybe I cut
Speaker 2: it out. I can't remember. I have to rewatch it again,
Speaker 2: but at least in our interview you talk about how
Speaker 2: the gay program might be relevant to identify people better
Speaker 2: for remote viewing. I had that clipped out of your interview,
Speaker 2: but I can't remember if I actually put it into
Speaker 2: the movie or not. But I do remember you saying
Speaker 2: that the gay program might have been used to identify
Speaker 2: people better to for remote viewing. Yeah, and I you know,
Speaker 2: but but those three programs, you know, someone can sit
Speaker 2: down and watch it and inevitably get confused and think
Speaker 2: that they're all a part of one big program. But
Speaker 2: they're not. They're all different programs, and they're all, you know,
Speaker 2: different units. And you know, the millions of kids I've
Speaker 2: been through the Gate program, I mean, since you were
Speaker 2: in it, that would that was the early sixties. Well,
Speaker 2: we show in the movie that MGM. Mintally Gifted Minors
Speaker 2: was a program that started, I believe in sixty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was in it. I started kindergarten in
Speaker 1: sixty seven, first grade and sixty eight, so I recall
Speaker 1: going through it first grade through part of first Gate,
Speaker 1: first grade through fourth grade, and fourth grade for me,
Speaker 1: I no third grade. Sorry confusion because I'm thinking back
Speaker 1: all those years we're talking, you know, early seventies. By
Speaker 1: the summer of seventy three, we moved to West Virginia
Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and apparently there was none
Speaker 1: of it back there. So it was all when I
Speaker 1: was in California, which is really interesting.
Speaker 2: Was that school that you went to and that you
Speaker 2: were in the Gate program. Was it close to an
Speaker 2: air Force base, because we know that your dad worked
Speaker 2: at for the Air Force at that time. Was that
Speaker 2: on an air Force base?
Speaker 1: It was not on it. Well, my dad was out
Speaker 1: of the Air Force before I was born. March air
Speaker 1: Force Base. It was in Riverside. It was at Foothill
Speaker 1: Elementary and Riverside that's where I finished third grade and
Speaker 1: did all of fourth Foothill Elementary in specifically a little
Speaker 1: community called Arlington in Riverside, California, and March Air Force
Speaker 1: Base is there. But when I started elementary school at
Speaker 1: Casey Elementary in Roalto, that's essentially that's in the Sanmernadino
Speaker 1: Valley and what used to be Norton Air Force Base
Speaker 1: which is now Samernardino Airport, that was an air Force base.
Speaker 1: So both towns were Air Force towns. And when we
Speaker 1: moved to West Virginia for just a couple of years,
Speaker 1: there's no known you know, there was no military base
Speaker 1: in that area, but it was mineral Wells. That's the
Speaker 1: Woody Dernberger, Mothman, Indrid Cold the heart of all of that.
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, so if there was any MGM or GATE
Speaker 1: program monitoring going on. I don't recall being pulled out
Speaker 1: of the classroom during fifth and sixth grade while in
Speaker 1: West Virginia that time. So and then by junior high
Speaker 1: I had returned to we'd returned to California, up to
Speaker 1: U Kaipa, which is just right up the road from
Speaker 1: where I'm at now. Again essentially in the vicinity the
Speaker 1: air Force base was still open. It was open till
Speaker 1: the early nineties as an Air Force base. And then
Speaker 1: my mentor started working on me when I was towards
Speaker 1: the end of high school. So it's kind of a
Speaker 1: you could say, maybe I was passed off from gate
Speaker 1: to the mentor. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's so odd because I basically speculated with Katie Page
Speaker 2: because I haven't been able to really I didn't like
Speaker 2: verify this or not, but I, you know, had the
Speaker 2: thought that a lot of these main gate schools are
Speaker 2: probably located next to air Force base or some military
Speaker 2: base in general, is in the vicinity of a lot
Speaker 2: of these gay program schools.
Speaker 1: And there we have both elementary schools that I experienced
Speaker 1: this in Air Force baces right there. And you know
Speaker 1: what's even to add something more interesting even to it,
Speaker 1: Norton Air Force Base. I learned years later it of course,
Speaker 1: it was the home of the Audio Visual Command, and
Speaker 1: that is the base, and that is the building where
Speaker 1: they were at right here I live. You can get
Speaker 1: up on the roof of my house and look at
Speaker 1: the flight line and you know see what was the
Speaker 1: base now of the airport, but Norton Air Force Base
Speaker 1: right here that I'm talking about. That's where Linda Moulton
Speaker 1: Howe and I think both and Jock Valet both were
Speaker 1: invited to watch and maybe at different times or I
Speaker 1: can't remember if it was together and they saw the
Speaker 1: hollm And Air Force Base film. Apparently I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1: You know what story she told, and that was right
Speaker 1: here at Norton. And I had learned years after that that,
Speaker 1: according to the Roswell lore, at one time the Roswell
Speaker 1: craft was held at Norton right here, which I mean,
Speaker 1: this was just I want to say, I learned this
Speaker 1: ten years ago, and I'm thinking, wow, all these years
Speaker 1: I've been into this stuff, all these years I've been
Speaker 1: around this base. I had never heard that before. And
Speaker 1: on top of that, if you remember the late Mark McCandlish,
Speaker 1: who did the famous schematic of the ARV, the Alien
Speaker 1: Reproduction view, I think it's called. His source told him
Speaker 1: that when the source saw the ARV. I believe his
Speaker 1: source told him it was at Norton when he saw it.
Speaker 1: So I had no idea that Norton Air Force Base,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd learned about Avis, you know, and seeing
Speaker 1: the people seeing the Holloman film there allegedly, I didn't realize,
Speaker 1: you know, until ten years ago, that Norton has set
Speaker 1: such a connection to the UFO lore and UFO world.
Speaker 1: And when you think about Edward's Air Force Base is
Speaker 1: just by military jet literally five minutes up and down Norton,
Speaker 1: and it's a test base and it has all the
Speaker 1: classified stuff. Years later I had access to it. Of course,
Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me now when I you know, my
Speaker 1: awareness that the technology testing, you know, being up in
Speaker 1: the high desert, it makes sense that Norton would have
Speaker 1: some connection to that. So for what that's worth, there's
Speaker 1: spooky stuff that has gone on at Norton, that went
Speaker 1: on at Norton. I still call it that because being
Speaker 1: in a former Air Force insider, my view is what
Speaker 1: I know about that base. I still argue that there's
Speaker 1: there has to be a US Air Force presence still
Speaker 1: there somehow, because it is a site that Air Force
Speaker 1: One can land at right here in view of my house. Uh,
Speaker 1: if weather is screwed up. We live in a weird
Speaker 1: pocket here in San Bernardino Valley. And one of the
Speaker 1: benefits of Norton Air Force Base if all the other
Speaker 1: air bases and airports are socked in because of you know,
Speaker 1: oddly enough from California weather, we don't get the weather here.
Speaker 1: I mean I live here and I've watched rain hit
Speaker 1: Redlands to the south and off to the east, into
Speaker 1: the mountains here to the north, and into the west
Speaker 1: farther west in the valley, and we right here it's
Speaker 1: called East Highland. We're not getting the weather. And that's
Speaker 1: where Norton is. So it's this weird clear weather pocket
Speaker 1: that can be relied upon. So if Air Force one
Speaker 1: has this on its list as an emergency landing spot,
Speaker 1: my money is that there's always some Air Force presence
Speaker 1: representation here at San Bernardino International Airport and it could
Speaker 1: be reactivated to a military base just on command if
Speaker 1: need be. So you know, there's that, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be a fancy spooky base for the spooky
Speaker 1: stuff to have a presence. So what you're saying is,
Speaker 1: you know what Katie said, funny thing, there's an Air
Speaker 1: Force base nearby. Okay, it could be complete logistics and
Speaker 1: supply right, and yet there can still be space afforded
Speaker 1: for the spooky stuff. So yes, I agree that that's significant.
Speaker 2: Well, another really interesting part about this, Oh sorry, didn't
Speaker 2: mean to cut you off.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I was just finishing a trailing off there.
Speaker 2: Within the movie we talked about this a gentleman named
Speaker 2: Thomas H. Bodinski, and this is connected to some spooky
Speaker 2: things out of Area fifty one where he worked at
Speaker 2: Area fifty one, he was a navigational engineer for the
Speaker 2: SR seventy one Blackbird. Yeah, and then he goes to
Speaker 2: Colorado and starts this io feedback institute called the Twilight
Speaker 2: Learner Program, which is really really strange and interesting. It
Speaker 2: seems like that a lot of people have like a
Speaker 2: fascination with space and then they get involved in like psychology.
Speaker 2: But this Twilight Learner program essentially is like a self
Speaker 2: hypnosis program. You're you're like learning to self hypnotize yourself.
Speaker 2: And according to what Katie Page talked about that those
Speaker 2: Twilight Learner which we listened to in the movie. She
Speaker 2: has the original tape. She's probably one of the only
Speaker 2: people that still has access to these tapes. They're not online.
Speaker 2: They're very rare that you could even find these, and
Speaker 2: she has them. She said when she would remember listening
Speaker 2: to them and going into the to the Sae Badinsky's office,
Speaker 2: sitting down listening to them, and then she would get
Speaker 2: outside of her body, it was like giving her an
Speaker 2: out of body experience. And then how she even remembered
Speaker 2: that because she kind of forgot about it, just like
Speaker 2: how a lot of people forget exactly what they went
Speaker 2: through in the gate program. She remembered it by being
Speaker 2: recommended to listen to the Monroe as the two Gateway tapes,
Speaker 2: and she remembered it because it gave her the exact
Speaker 2: same feeling listening to the Gateway tapes as it did
Speaker 2: when she was a kid listening to the Twilight Learner tapes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of unlocked that memory rights. It's like
Speaker 1: you walk into a you can walk into a candy store,
Speaker 1: you know where they make candorse, and you know you
Speaker 1: you smell a particular thing and you remember something from childhood,
Speaker 1: or or another trigger is when you run into a
Speaker 1: book that you had in childhood that you haven't seen
Speaker 1: in decades, and there it is, and just seeing the
Speaker 1: things on the page, whether it's a picture book or not,
Speaker 1: and you know, it comes back to you. Absolutely an
Speaker 1: audio trigger I could see doing that, you know. And
Speaker 1: the nice thing is is it it brings it up
Speaker 1: from where it's kind of sunk down, settled down in
Speaker 1: your memory. It brings it up fresh again so that
Speaker 1: more details emerge. It's in a way, it's an interesting
Speaker 1: form of mental or psychic time travel in you know,
Speaker 1: just going through your own mind because of the other
Speaker 1: things that can come up. And and you know what,
Speaker 1: I think they probably take advantage of what she's talking
Speaker 1: about and what we're talking about right here. You know,
Speaker 1: someone said, hey, you should listen to this, and she
Speaker 1: listened to that. And what I mean by taking advantage
Speaker 1: of is that specific phenomenon of what audio trigger does.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that they're aware of that, and they probably
Speaker 1: very much took advantage of that. And and here's an
Speaker 1: interesting thing, we don't know that that wasn't part of
Speaker 1: why they part of not the sole reason, but part
Speaker 1: of why they put kids through this so that when
Speaker 1: they're adults, there could be there could be a command
Speaker 1: embedded in our minds in childhood that now, you know,
Speaker 1: my phone could ring, I pick up the phone, you know, hello,
Speaker 1: and somebody says a word or a phrase mentoring candidate style,
Speaker 1: and boom, it unlocks something. So, you know, we don't know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, it's very interesting.
Speaker 2: And I think that there is this weird connection between
Speaker 2: possible UFOs and this phenomenon. And I've been saying on
Speaker 2: people's shows that we're getting ready to get like people
Speaker 2: talking about how that it's a possibility that some of
Speaker 2: these Gate programmed kids have been used to like literally
Speaker 2: control telepathically connect to the UFO in the in the UAP.
Speaker 2: And that might sound out of this world and crazy,
Speaker 2: but it's it's in documentation, like real declassified UFO government
Speaker 2: documents that psychics have been in telepathic communication and control
Speaker 2: of UFOs and UAP. So I believe that the next
Speaker 2: thing is going to be something to do with these
Speaker 2: Gate kids. And I'm trying to pull up this Danny sheh,
Speaker 2: And I don't know what you think about Danny.
Speaker 1: You you went through it yourself, right, weren't you didn't
Speaker 1: you go through a gate school or not.
Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I went to a private school, but
Speaker 2: I did. I had some weird instants with you know,
Speaker 2: like with the flash cards and stuff, because when I
Speaker 2: was a kid, I would see a lot of strange
Speaker 2: things going on around me, like I was seen in
Speaker 2: two kind of a different seeing things that I wasn't
Speaker 2: supposed to see. And I had told my parents about it,
Speaker 2: and they thought something was wrong with my eyes, and
Speaker 2: they sent me to the doctor. And the doctor gave
Speaker 2: me this flash card that was like no bigger than
Speaker 2: like this notepad right here, and I had like circles
Speaker 2: like bulls eyes with circles within circles. And then he
Speaker 2: was like, can you make the circles become three D
Speaker 2: and pop up off of the actual flash card? And
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I can't, And then he was
Speaker 2: like and he gave me the flashcard and he was like,
Speaker 2: come back whenever you can and talk to me. And
Speaker 2: eventually I could make the circles cop off of the
Speaker 2: flash card and I worked on it all the time.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, they didn't, I was just coming. I
Speaker 1: think we talked about that in the past and I
Speaker 1: was gonna have a comment, but I'm sorry I talked
Speaker 1: over you. Finish what you were What was it? I
Speaker 1: remember we talked about that and I told you that
Speaker 1: it was you know in No, I wasn't a kid,
Speaker 1: but it was in the the nineties, late nineties or whatever.
Speaker 1: I was looking at a CD case and I noticed
Speaker 1: that if the letters were read, they would pop off
Speaker 1: the background three dimensionally to my eye, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's that's every time I looked. I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: step over you when you were talking with throwing that in.
Speaker 1: I think that there are moments I don't know that
Speaker 1: where we necessarily would always be aware that there's that
Speaker 1: whether we're being utilized as kind of an antenna. But
Speaker 1: I think of those times where you know, you're kind
Speaker 1: of sitting there and you you go into that that
Speaker 1: zone where you're just kind of you're aware, but you're
Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe it. It's just it's
Speaker 1: kind of like, I don't know how to describe it.
Speaker 1: But now what I'm trying to explain is is that
Speaker 1: one of those moments where you're being accessed, your your
Speaker 1: psychicness is being access and used maybe as some type
Speaker 1: of communications booster, right for somebody who might be communicating elsewhere,
Speaker 1: and you know that can that can be part of it,
Speaker 1: and that could explain moments like some people when they
Speaker 1: have When I think of blackouts, when somebody says a blackout,
Speaker 1: I think of your literally your eyes closed, you're unconscious.
Speaker 1: But you know the kind of blackouts where you're driving
Speaker 1: a say that's the most popular one. Somebody's on a
Speaker 1: drive and they kind of the next thing and know
Speaker 1: they're at their destination and they don't remember all the
Speaker 1: details of the drive they were just on. We've all
Speaker 1: experienced that to some degree. It's it's kind of a
Speaker 1: similar thing to that. Are those moments where they're they're
Speaker 1: just using us as boosters for the signal, you know,
Speaker 1: for a psychic who is consciously communicating with someone on
Speaker 1: the other side of the world or someone off world.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know that's possible.
Speaker 2: I think, well, that's sort of exactly like what the
Speaker 2: show or the book by Stephen King called The Institute
Speaker 2: is about, as like, we have all these kids and
Speaker 2: then they essentially lock all of their abilities together and
Speaker 2: boost up one individual, and then that individual is literally
Speaker 2: able to enter into somebody else's mind psychically and then
Speaker 2: control them.
Speaker 1: Mhm yeah, which is a very real thing.
Speaker 2: Like maybe not to the point of I'm sure that
Speaker 2: they've done it since this, but there are were exercises
Speaker 2: called Beacon exercises that s Ri I and some of
Speaker 2: the government would do where you could literally remote view
Speaker 2: somebody and see through their eyes like you weren't able
Speaker 2: to control them. I'm sure that's something that is going
Speaker 2: to it's possible to do now because I think that
Speaker 2: anything you can pretty much do anything psychically, there's no
Speaker 2: limit to it. And that was one of the things
Speaker 2: within the documents is that it's the limitations are perceived
Speaker 2: to be endless with psychic abilities, but that is a
Speaker 2: very real thing that can be done, is that you
Speaker 2: can essentially remote view and see through somebody else's eyes.
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I don't know. I don't know why not
Speaker 1: within the context of all these things. You know, we're
Speaker 1: talking about what comes to my mind with when we
Speaker 1: talk about people that were in this, and you know,
Speaker 1: you try to identify, okay, who who would be you know,
Speaker 1: who are the people out there that they're using or
Speaker 1: that you know can do this or whatever. And we
Speaker 1: often think, or I think it's an assumption that, for instance,
Speaker 1: I quit being pulled out of class after fourth grade. Okay,
Speaker 1: So we often talk about this program as in, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, okay, that was it. You know, maybe they
Speaker 1: weren't interested, or maybe it ended or something. We assume
Speaker 1: that it's the importance, is the most effective importance is
Speaker 1: when you're in childhood. And I argue that, no, that's
Speaker 1: just when they're they're they're measuring your abilities, they're seeing
Speaker 1: where you are on the psychic spectrum. That's when they're embedding.
Speaker 1: That's when they're you know, setting you up to be
Speaker 1: this thing and you're actually useful to them for the
Speaker 1: rest of your life. It's during this childhood time in
Speaker 1: the school is where you're being assessed and then you know,
Speaker 1: what's the word configured, you know, to be useful to
Speaker 1: them and and actually your usefulness, your operational usefulness, could
Speaker 1: be for the rest of your you know, adult life.
Speaker 1: And it's possible that you could not be overtly aware
Speaker 1: of it, which is what we're talking about here, is
Speaker 1: not being overtly aware of it. It's to me, from
Speaker 1: my perspective from the intelligence world and the operational aspect
Speaker 1: of the intelligence world. That's how I that's one of
Speaker 1: the ways I see it because in the intelligence world
Speaker 1: I worked with many more older people when I was
Speaker 1: in a more spooky kind of job in the intelligence
Speaker 1: world than I did when I was a federal agent.
Speaker 1: You know, when you're people assumed that okay, after a
Speaker 1: certain age, you know you've aged out and you're not useful. No, no, no.
Speaker 1: In the intelligence world, some of the best people on
Speaker 1: a team that I was on encounter terrorism were in
Speaker 1: their seventies. The most effective. We had a lady who
Speaker 1: was I think around seventy, and we did primarily surveillance
Speaker 1: was a primary part of what we did, and she
Speaker 1: was amazing because she was invisible to the target because
Speaker 1: one of the things is nobody pays attention to an
Speaker 1: old woman. And they are fantastic surveillance ops. They can
Speaker 1: get closer to the target and as long as they're
Speaker 1: doing their cover for action properly. And so these kind
Speaker 1: of psychic abilities, even though things like Alzheimer's can sit
Speaker 1: in with some people, even though there's certain cognitive things
Speaker 1: that break down, people don't realize that the value the
Speaker 1: psychic value operationally in a human being is much a
Speaker 1: much longer spectrum than the physical value. Like when you know,
Speaker 1: as a federal agent in the United States, they pretty
Speaker 1: much you're fifty seven is the general retirement age. You know, yes,
Speaker 1: you're going to find exceptions, but fifty seven because it's
Speaker 1: a physically demanding job. Right you have to run or
Speaker 1: you have to handle the stress of being a weapons carrier.
Speaker 1: And if you get into situations like that, that's very stressful,
Speaker 1: if you have to have an altercation with somebody, so
Speaker 1: you know, by the time you're sixty it's time to
Speaker 1: maybe back off of that. That's not to say that
Speaker 1: I've worked with people in their sixties and early seventies
Speaker 1: that could have beat my ass at forty two physically,
Speaker 1: you know, but the psychic and mental abilities go beyond
Speaker 1: the physical. So I do. I have begun to think
Speaker 1: that this gate training and exposure really is to just
Speaker 1: prepare assets intelligence assets on that spooky level for their
Speaker 1: entire lifetime.
Speaker 2: I one agree with that. I think that that is
Speaker 2: exactly what it is. And the thing about it is
Speaker 2: is that they don't even really know that's that's the
Speaker 2: whole point of the operation is to get people recruited
Speaker 2: in have them working for you, and they don't even
Speaker 2: know exactly.
Speaker 1: You don't even know it. Yeah, you're you're unwitting, you know,
Speaker 1: just because I overtly consciously left working for Uncle Sam
Speaker 1: twenty years ago. This past January, I've run into people
Speaker 1: like in my book research that I swear, you know,
Speaker 1: to some degree, I either knew it or suspected that
Speaker 1: they were connected to the intelligence community. And I have
Speaker 1: no way of knowing that I haven't been used unconsciously,
Speaker 1: you know. In One of the things they can do,
Speaker 1: for example, is they can pour. Essentially, this is the
Speaker 1: way it has described me. They can they can kind
Speaker 1: of poor I put quotes around that po you are
Speaker 1: a language into your head and in a very very
Speaker 1: short order, make you fluent in a language. Send you
Speaker 1: off operationally where you're using that language. You come back,
Speaker 1: they put you under and under hypnosis, they do the debriefing.
Speaker 1: You do that debriefing in the language, and then they
Speaker 1: bring you out of it. And you know, classic Manchurian
Speaker 1: candidate stuff. You don't remember that, you don't remember it.
Speaker 1: And I worked in an operational world where a team
Speaker 1: would go out and many times, many times I went
Speaker 1: on missions where we weren't all staying at the same hotel.
Speaker 1: That's just good operational sense to be at different locations.
Speaker 1: And several times I would be the only team member
Speaker 1: at my hotel, and just like the other team members,
Speaker 1: the only team you don't really know what the other
Speaker 1: team members are doing during the down hours. I've spent
Speaker 1: thirty days in a place on a mission and only
Speaker 1: saw the other team members maybe a few hours a week,
Speaker 1: and the rest of the time I was alone, they
Speaker 1: were alone. You know, you don't know what other side tasks.
Speaker 1: And then when you think about what we're talking about here,
Speaker 1: you don't know what other side tasks maybe you've done
Speaker 1: yourself or been been part of when you're doing physical
Speaker 1: surveillance missions like that. For instance, I was working in
Speaker 1: an Eastern European country once and I had to my
Speaker 1: partner had to drop me off middle of the night.
Speaker 1: It's around midnight and it was snowy and everything, and
Speaker 1: I had to. I was just simply told, oh, go
Speaker 1: see if the targets cars and his driveway. Okay, simple enough,
Speaker 1: and that's a legitimate tasking. So you go up and
Speaker 1: you you know, you go see that, and if particularly
Speaker 1: if they instruct you hang around and keep an eye
Speaker 1: on it for a while, right for an hour or
Speaker 1: a half hour. Well, you don't know that you're not
Speaker 1: a target for a remote viewer back in the state.
Speaker 1: In other words, somebody at NSA Fort Mead or whatever
Speaker 1: is sitting there, the remote viewer a Joe mcmonagall or whoever,
Speaker 1: is sitting there, and they're they're started, and you're the
Speaker 1: intenna for them, and they're actually psychically inside that target's
Speaker 1: house looking around, and you know, you're just kind of
Speaker 1: standing there, watching the outside and making sure you're not
Speaker 1: jacked up because you're in a foreign country under a
Speaker 1: different identity and that's illegal there, and you know, maybe
Speaker 1: you're not that great with the language, and it's going
Speaker 1: to be obvious, and you know, so all the stuff
Speaker 1: that comes up being undercover in a foreign country, you
Speaker 1: don't know that. And I've been in several situations where
Speaker 1: I or anyone on the team could have been access
Speaker 1: antennas for booster antennas for our veers back home. Now
Speaker 1: let's add the Gate layer onto that. Okay, there, I
Speaker 1: am somebody who's been through the Gate program who was
Speaker 1: recruited into that job with the greatly the opening the
Speaker 1: doors of a mentor maybe I and others were put
Speaker 1: on these teams because we had been through the Gate program,
Speaker 1: because we did have these abilities, because certain things had
Speaker 1: been already pre loaded right into our psyches, and so
Speaker 1: therefore that made us better antenna, stronger antenna. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's very possible, And that would explain because I've
Speaker 1: been on missions. I went on missions too, where you're like,
Speaker 1: why are we why are we here? We're We're not
Speaker 1: really I went to a South American country a few
Speaker 1: times on the job, and there was a there was
Speaker 1: one trip literally where I was there for thirty days
Speaker 1: and I was spending ninety five percent of my time,
Speaker 1: all of us, ninety five percent of our time just
Speaker 1: living our covers because one day a week for two
Speaker 1: hours we were operational and the rest of the time
Speaker 1: on your own time, living your cover, making sure you
Speaker 1: know that you're living your cover and doing all that stuff.
Speaker 1: And you think, wait a minute, couldn't they just fly
Speaker 1: different ones of us down for you know, three days,
Speaker 1: get there the day before, do the operation fly out
Speaker 1: the next day? You know, why are they having us?
Speaker 1: You know? But if we're serving as some type of
Speaker 1: one of these antennas. We could be doing more collecting
Speaker 1: than we realized, collecting intelligence without even realizing we're doing
Speaker 1: it because we're told go there, and you don't know
Speaker 1: exactly why. I think gate kids might be very useful
Speaker 1: in a scenario like that, you know, for what that's worth.
Speaker 2: Who I never even thought about that. That's really a
Speaker 2: genius on the side of the intelligence community, right, May
Speaker 2: you make.
Speaker 1: We know that if if they can do it, they.
Speaker 2: Will, Yes, yes, you would want them to think that
Speaker 2: they're doing something else when they're actually serving out a
Speaker 2: completely different agenda. I mean, it makes sense. Can't really
Speaker 2: prove it, but it woul definitely makes sense on definitely
Speaker 2: a possibility, one hundred percent for sure, a possibility that
Speaker 2: I had never thought of before, which is really interesting.
Speaker 2: I do want to play a little bit of this
Speaker 2: Danny PM, because I've been saying since the movie came
Speaker 2: out that something like this was going to actually happened,
Speaker 2: and someone was going to come forward with this information,
Speaker 2: and it turned out that it kind of has. Now.
Speaker 2: Regardless of what anybody thinks that Danny Sheeham, they can
Speaker 2: think that he's a grifter or whatever, he makes up things,
Speaker 2: but he's one of the most prominent you voices in
Speaker 2: ufology today. He does all the different conferences and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and I, you know, it is what it
Speaker 2: is at this point with the UFO community. It's just
Speaker 2: it's a thing that's just being strung along and all
Speaker 2: that nonsense. But I think that it's important to listen
Speaker 2: to what he says. You're in this conference that he
Speaker 2: was doing.
Speaker 3: And so what they've done is they've lost a number
Speaker 3: of multi million dollars trained at uf US fighter pilots
Speaker 3: in trying to get them to fly these things, and
Speaker 3: they've killed them. And then they just keep going back
Speaker 3: trying to do it again and experiment with him and
Speaker 3: kill more of them, and it's all being covered up.
Speaker 3: And so what they decided that they needed to do
Speaker 3: is they needed to go find people who are psychic,
Speaker 3: people who have psychic capabilities of telepathic communication and esp
Speaker 3: et cetera. And so they go and they try to
Speaker 3: recruit them. And what they found out is that they
Speaker 3: didn't dare recruit full adults because they would tell about
Speaker 3: it and they didn't want to sign a non disclosure agreement.
Speaker 3: And then they go tell somebody. So what they did
Speaker 3: is they went after children.
Speaker 2: Who That's pretty important thing that he just said right there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, very important, right there. Okay, listen to a
Speaker 2: little bit more.
Speaker 3: They set up a program on the military basis where
Speaker 3: they have military schools for the children of the military
Speaker 3: people and the workers, and they started giving them tests
Speaker 3: called the GATE Program, the Gifted and Talented.
Speaker 1: Children oo shiver central.
Speaker 2: Whenever I heard this, oh man, I got the chills
Speaker 2: because I was like, holy shit, because I'd been saying
Speaker 2: that someone was gonna come out and start talking.
Speaker 1: About this, yep.
Speaker 2: And then but then it happens, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I cannot believe this.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Who unbelievable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh, unbelievable, but believable. Right when you think
Speaker 1: about it, you're like, oh, well, it's it's surprising, but
Speaker 1: not you know, if they if they've got him there, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder. You know, I've never heard anybody. I haven't
Speaker 1: maybe you have, But in the discussion of Gate programs,
Speaker 1: all I've ever heard is the discussion of the public schools.
Speaker 1: I've never really heard the discussion about people who kids
Speaker 1: who were military dependents actually going to the base schools
Speaker 1: because my dad was out was off active duty before
Speaker 1: I was born. Had he still been on I would
Speaker 1: have grown up going to one of those based schools.
Speaker 1: But that's uh, you know, that's that's interesting now that
Speaker 1: I think about it. My son, he went to preschool
Speaker 1: on base, but we had him in the public school
Speaker 1: when you know, he started actually started school when I
Speaker 1: was active duty. He went he went to public schools
Speaker 1: because we only lived in base housing at LA, which
Speaker 1: is Fort MacArthur in San Pedro for Air Force. So
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of a different situation. You don't
Speaker 1: have the working base with the residential area which most
Speaker 1: bases are. And of course your schools, your military schools
Speaker 1: are right there because it's all contained, right, so, you know,
Speaker 1: and I don't know are they is there is there
Speaker 1: a reason to think that there's still any kind of
Speaker 1: program like this going on.
Speaker 2: Well, from my understanding and my knowledge, I mean, this
Speaker 2: is really the first time I've been hearing about the children.
Speaker 2: I've just been saying that it's that is going to
Speaker 2: come out, but from actually hearing someone talk about it
Speaker 2: that may have some kind of first hand or second
Speaker 2: hand knowledge that they're training kids to be able to
Speaker 2: telepathically connect with UFOs and UAPs. But as far as
Speaker 2: the actual Gate program public school stuff, yes, it's very real.
Speaker 2: It is still going on and it is still happening
Speaker 2: to this very day. I mean, Charlie Kirk was literally
Speaker 2: in an entire program just it was an entire gifted school.
Speaker 2: It wasn't even a you know, an extracurricular class that
Speaker 2: he was taking. It was called the Quest Academy and
Speaker 2: still in operation today in Palatine, Illinois, and you can
Speaker 2: get on Quest Economy's website and it's a literal gifted
Speaker 2: and talented education school. It's not even extracurricular class or
Speaker 2: you know, people's parents coming to you know, teachers going
Speaker 2: to the kid's parents and be like, your kid needs
Speaker 2: to be part of this class. No, this is just
Speaker 2: a complete gifted school. And there's tons of them all
Speaker 2: over the United States.
Speaker 1: I think at Palatine, Illinois, I wonder how close that
Speaker 1: is to Scott Air Force Base that used to be
Speaker 1: in my aor I was at Wright Patterson, but I
Speaker 1: had an almost ten state area of responsibility in the
Speaker 1: specialty that I did, and so I had to go
Speaker 1: over to Scott. I had to go to Whiteman and
Speaker 1: stuff on occasion make the rounds. So that's interesting that
Speaker 1: he went to a school in Illinois. I'm curious if
Speaker 1: it indeed was close to Scott Air Force Bace was
Speaker 1: his father military.
Speaker 2: That I am not too sure about. Not a lot
Speaker 2: is really known about. To see, a lot of people
Speaker 2: have been trying to focus on, you know, Erica Kirk
Speaker 2: and that whole thing. Yeah, dificult to find out stuff
Speaker 2: about her background, it really is.
Speaker 1: It's really hard.
Speaker 2: But with Charlie, I'm sure that some people would definitely No,
Speaker 2: I could probably try and look it up really quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were. They were too focused on wanting to
Speaker 1: build statues of him rather than looking at his background
Speaker 1: closely to peace you know what was useful substantial information together,
Speaker 1: you know, because find out he went to one of
Speaker 1: those schools.
Speaker 2: Yes, and his mother they essentially wanted to drug him
Speaker 2: whenever he was really young, and his mother refused and
Speaker 2: then they put him into a h Then that's whenever
Speaker 2: they took him to this Gate Program school.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they wanted to do that to my son. He
Speaker 1: had a teacher I think it was second grade or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it was just awful and his mom and I
Speaker 1: at that point didn't agree on much, but we had
Speaker 1: a united front. Hell no, you're not putting our kid
Speaker 1: on Riddlin or whatever it is. And it turned out
Speaker 1: that she, this particular teacher had a reputation for not
Speaker 1: liking to deal with boys students, male students, and she
Speaker 1: was like willy nilly with the this boy needs to
Speaker 1: be on drugs. This boy, you know, And it turned
Speaker 1: out to you know, it's not our kid, because he
Speaker 1: never had another problem with another teacher, you know, after that.
Speaker 1: But it was interesting. They wanted to you know, that's
Speaker 1: one of the first things that they want to do
Speaker 1: is get that get those drugs into the the kids,
Speaker 1: particularly the boys. So parents need to resist that.
Speaker 2: So Charlie KIRK'SDD Robert W. Kirk. There's not any evidence
Speaker 2: that he was involved in the military, but that he
Speaker 2: was an architect, and some sources are identifying him as
Speaker 2: having worked in architecture, including involvement with Trump Tower in
Speaker 2: New York, which that's really interesting there Charlie. But it
Speaker 2: says that Charlie himself wanted to join the military whenever
Speaker 2: he was a teenager and sought a mission to West
Speaker 2: Point and later supposedly described joining the army as his
Speaker 2: number one dream but was not admitted, and he was
Speaker 2: supposed to be because he was supposed to be running
Speaker 2: a multi million dollar nonprofit organization and influencing millions of people.
Speaker 1: And yea, what was there a reason why he was
Speaker 1: rejected West Point to the Army?
Speaker 2: Out of the dig deeper into it, it's just one
Speaker 2: of those Wikipedia pages. Yeah, that's really interesting that, you know,
Speaker 2: because it kind of seems like that that kind of
Speaker 2: you know, follows the but if you're in the gay program,
Speaker 2: and definitely if you went to one of these just
Speaker 2: straight gate schools that are just nothing but gifted and
Speaker 2: talented individuals. I mean on the website, the Quest Economy
Speaker 2: website literally says if like you know, basically to the
Speaker 2: effect is, if you know, if you get through the school,
Speaker 2: then you're essentially going to be set up for life.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's kind of what the website describes, like
Speaker 2: it's for inside of the classroom and outside of the classroom, right, so,
Speaker 2: and it's a preschool through sixth grade. So it's basically
Speaker 2: if you if you make it through this schooling program,
Speaker 2: then you're going to be set up for the rest
Speaker 2: of your life because you're going to have people around
Speaker 2: you essentially making these opportunities for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I had my The way my career
Speaker 1: worked through most of it was Yeah, there was my mentor,
Speaker 1: my uncle was there, you know when I reported for
Speaker 1: duty to my first government job. Oh, before I forget,
Speaker 1: I'm curious about you know, the thing about Charlie Kirk
Speaker 1: is nothing overt jumped out about his dad other than
Speaker 1: architecture implies an engineering type of mind. But his mom
Speaker 1: maybe maybe the you know, there was some type of
Speaker 1: intel or military connection to his mom's family. But when
Speaker 1: I reported for duty to the FBI, I was starting
Speaker 1: getting my I started my career. I was instructed to
Speaker 1: do this by my mentor. He said, take anything they
Speaker 1: offer you. You won't be in the low level job
Speaker 1: for long. So I accepted a GS three mail clerk
Speaker 1: position that I ended up only being in for forty
Speaker 1: five days, and I was promoted to the next job
Speaker 1: that I was in for six months and then started
Speaker 1: in intelligence. But the day thirteen March nineteen eighty eight,
Speaker 1: I'm at the LA Federal Building, eleven thousand Woolshre and
Speaker 1: I in about a ten or eleven other new if
Speaker 1: BED employees are standing there waiting to go into the
Speaker 1: office there, and I and this other, this young lady,
Speaker 1: we're pulled out of line and taken to separate side rooms.
Speaker 1: So I'm in this room. There's nothing in there but
Speaker 1: three chairs, the one I'm in and two facing me.
Speaker 1: And I'm in there for about five minutes or so,
Speaker 1: and my thought is, Okay, who in my background is
Speaker 1: the criminal that I wasn't aware of? And now they're
Speaker 1: going to talk to me. So two people come in,
Speaker 1: two agents, a man or a woman, come in. They
Speaker 1: introduce themselves and they're in the counter intelligence division. Now
Speaker 1: remember I'm reporting for duty, first day, wet behind the
Speaker 1: ears FBI, going to be a mail clerk. And they say,
Speaker 1: you're uniquely qualified to be on this special team. It's
Speaker 1: in counterintelligence. Here or fill out this fourteen page in
Speaker 1: house ksa knowledge skills assessment, bring it back as soon
Speaker 1: as boss. Okay, So I filled that out. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I've never met these people. I didn't
Speaker 1: talk to these people. How the hell do they know?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Gee, maybe it's my uncle and you know, sure enough.
Speaker 1: I forty five days later, I made an evidence technician.
Speaker 1: And then six months after that, I get a call.
Speaker 1: I'm in the San Jose division. I get a call
Speaker 1: and it's the supervisory agent on the special team in
Speaker 1: San Francisco and he says, I'm told, I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: interview you be up here tomorrow to the main office.
Speaker 1: So I go and he's the supervisor of the squad
Speaker 1: and it goes, we're sending it a spy training essentially,
Speaker 1: want to cooch And that's you know, that was how
Speaker 1: my spook career got started. And the thing is, if
Speaker 1: you were in the FBI at that time, the team
Speaker 1: I was brought into that I was told they wanted
Speaker 1: me for from the day I walked in day one
Speaker 1: and then ended up on six months later. There were
Speaker 1: people that had worked for the Bureau for a few
Speaker 1: years that couldn't get that job in their boom. I'm
Speaker 1: a new guy, and I get it. That's one of
Speaker 1: the things, Like you know, clearly my mentor and whatever
Speaker 1: he was actually tailoring me for. That's yeah, that's door opening.
Speaker 1: That's how that works. And it happened at other times too,
Speaker 1: things like that. But anyway, for what for what that's worth, did.
Speaker 2: You feel looked after when that was happening, like did
Speaker 2: you know what that that was happening? As it was happening,
Speaker 2: like these yeah looking for me because of my uncle
Speaker 2: and the people that are around me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, based on even some things he would tell me,
Speaker 1: you know, when he would tell me to learn, like
Speaker 1: he would instruct me the necromancy. When he trained me
Speaker 1: in a method of necromancy, he flat out said, there
Speaker 1: are people expecting you to know how to do this,
Speaker 1: And I said who, And you don't need to know
Speaker 1: that yet. And my entire career until after he had
Speaker 1: had his career ending stroke because he was in his
Speaker 1: early seventies, mid seventies May that time, he had had
Speaker 1: a career ending stroke. Essentially he's forced to retire. This
Speaker 1: was around two thousand and after that, I felt naked
Speaker 1: out in the cold. But up until then, whether it
Speaker 1: was FBI, Air Force or the next guys I went
Speaker 1: to work for, I was always backstopped. I felt sheltered.
Speaker 1: I felt like, Okay, I'm part of it. And he
Speaker 1: told me I was part of the group. Now. He
Speaker 1: did tell me when I was getting out of the
Speaker 1: Air Force and going to work for the next organization.
Speaker 1: He had told me for years that I had a
Speaker 1: he said, I'm your mentor. He goes, you have a sponsor,
Speaker 1: and it was a US congressman, and he didn't he
Speaker 1: didn't tell me it would it was a congressman for years.
Speaker 1: Only in ninety nine did he identify who that congressman was.
Speaker 1: And you know, my response was seriously he's he goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he says, he said you in about a half
Speaker 1: a dozen others, I said, that guy knows I exist.
Speaker 1: And you know, his joke was, yeah, he's not always
Speaker 1: happy about it. But because when you when you step
Speaker 1: on your own genitals, as they say, but you know,
Speaker 1: all joking aside, I was, oh, so yeah, I was
Speaker 1: through most of my career until after he was forced out.
Speaker 1: Because what it was is I might have told you this,
Speaker 1: I don't recall, but no matter who I was working for,
Speaker 1: I was reporting to him all those years. When I
Speaker 1: went to work for the FBI, I would get and
Speaker 1: this is before cell phones. I would go to a
Speaker 1: pay phone and call him the same you know, once
Speaker 1: a week and tell him, you know, what was going
Speaker 1: on from my perspective, because he already knew what was
Speaker 1: going on in his eyes. And then he would tell
Speaker 1: me things, Okay, do this, don't do that, Avoid this person,
Speaker 1: avoid that person. I was reporting to him, And the
Speaker 1: whole time I was in the Air Force and as
Speaker 1: an agent, I would go to a pay phone and
Speaker 1: call him and say you know, and he would know.
Speaker 1: Like one time when I got to La Air Force Base,
Speaker 1: he said, hey, you were over at the b X
Speaker 1: the other day. He's in Alabama. Remember I'm in California,
Speaker 1: And I'd say yeah. He goes, you met a gentleman there,
Speaker 1: and he would describe him physically and everything, and he
Speaker 1: would give his name and I'd be I'd still I've
Speaker 1: known him all these years, and I'd still be blown away.
Speaker 1: I'm like yeah, And he goes, if ever you need me,
Speaker 1: if something happens and you need me in an emergency
Speaker 1: and you can't get me, he says, you go to him.
Speaker 1: He and I knew each other in Army and in Airborne,
Speaker 1: and you can go to him if you can't get
Speaker 1: to me. And so he had. There were people always
Speaker 1: around me that were part of this thing, this spook
Speaker 1: world thing he was in that I could go to.
Speaker 1: And it was like wherever I was assigned, there was
Speaker 1: some associate of his that was you know, I knew
Speaker 1: was you know, watching out for me, and you know
Speaker 1: it over the years the kind of things he had
Speaker 1: me do would be revealing good of that. But remember
Speaker 1: the things, the spookiest things he taught me. I think
Speaker 1: because of stuff he said, Remember he told me they
Speaker 1: were He goes, you've been watched since childhood, right, that
Speaker 1: includes right the gay program, and so you know, I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 1: it's it's whatever they measured about me when I was
Speaker 1: a kid in the gay program had to be connected
Speaker 1: somehow to him continuing then to recruit me into the
Speaker 1: career I was. And then when you layer on there
Speaker 1: the psychic things he was teaching me, teaching me, you know,
Speaker 1: how to communicate across vast distances like I talked about
Speaker 1: in the film, right, and the necromancy, you know, in
Speaker 1: the other occultish kind of psychic things. Well, I'm thinking
Speaker 1: that again, what led to that was whatever they measured
Speaker 1: my abilities or potentials, potentialities in the Gate program. So
Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, in my case, I think it
Speaker 1: was just the initial measuring ground and maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit of a training ground, but mostly measuring ground, maybe
Speaker 1: embedding some things in there for whatever usefulness I would
Speaker 1: have as an adult. And again, as we said before,
Speaker 1: just because you leave the official employment doesn't mean they're
Speaker 1: not they're not using you for all. I know, take
Speaker 1: my books, my Big Empire Wheel investigation, right, the mystery
Speaker 1: from nineteen fifteen. I don't know that there I am,
Speaker 1: you know, the biggest mystery I've investigated in my life.
Speaker 1: Blah blah blah. I have no way of knowing for
Speaker 1: sure that that there wasn't somebody in the intelligence community
Speaker 1: getting me physically in places for their own purposes. And
Speaker 1: there I am consciously investigating one thing, but they're having
Speaker 1: their moving me into a place that they can use
Speaker 1: me as an antenna to look at maybe something else entirely.
Speaker 1: Remember what Lim Buchanan said that when he was asked
Speaker 1: in your film, when you asked him in the film
Speaker 1: can people be controlled? And he he said he didn't
Speaker 1: like it, and he you know, but yes, remember that,
Speaker 1: you remember that it's your film. But that's significant. So
Speaker 1: I have no way of knowing for sure that you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't used that way in the stuff I've been
Speaker 1: doing the last twenty years, and they could still be
Speaker 1: doing that. You don't know for sure when and if
Speaker 1: it ends. You don't.
Speaker 2: Have you revealed publicly who that, who the sponsor was,
Speaker 2: who the congressman was.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I should give you a scoop. I haven't,
Speaker 1: but it's been so many years, and my mentor's been
Speaker 1: gone for several years, and I'm at an age and
Speaker 1: a point in my life where you know, screw it,
Speaker 1: why not. This will be the first time. But I'll
Speaker 1: tell you this will be the first time publicly I've
Speaker 1: said it. But I was told that my sponsor was
Speaker 1: Senator Sam Nunn when I started my career my uncle.
Speaker 1: The first thing he had me do for doing an application,
Speaker 1: actually was he told me to send a letter to
Speaker 1: Senator Barry Goldwater. It was still in I think the
Speaker 1: last year or so of office, so it started as
Speaker 1: a letter to Barry Goldwater. He told me to word
Speaker 1: to put certain phrases in there, and I recall getting
Speaker 1: something back and he says, what you're looking for is
Speaker 1: your interest is appreciated, and that was in there. And
Speaker 1: then the next thing he had me do I have
Speaker 1: told you about this was he had me come back
Speaker 1: and visit him in December of eighty sixth and I
Speaker 1: went into the I went to the back door of
Speaker 1: a NASA building at the Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama,
Speaker 1: and turned in a standard government application. This is before
Speaker 1: This was a year before I applied to the bureau.
Speaker 1: He had me go to the back door suit and
Speaker 1: tie knock on a particular back door, and the guy
Speaker 1: came out and said, Walter, yeah, she got something for me,
Speaker 1: and I handed in the envelope. He said, go enjoy
Speaker 1: the museum. I never worked for NASA. I never worked
Speaker 1: for as far as I knew, for the Army or anything.
Speaker 1: But that was I started with Barry Goldwater, who, by
Speaker 1: the way, we know has had a historical interest in
Speaker 1: connection to the UFO mystery. Right, and then there I
Speaker 1: was told to apply at a NASA back door of
Speaker 1: a NASA building, of the backside of a NASA building,
Speaker 1: And yeah, so it was. It's kind of mysterious. I
Speaker 1: forgot why. I mentioned that.
Speaker 2: Redstone Arsenal was where Winner von Braun and a lot
Speaker 2: of the Project Paper Club Nazis went and set up
Speaker 2: NASA and the rocket development out of right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've told that story before I started. I've
Speaker 1: been talking about that for at least ten years or so.
Speaker 1: And it's been recently that people interested in the UFO
Speaker 1: mystery have really it's clicked with them about Redstone Arsenal.
Speaker 1: So when that story comes up, they go, what wait,
Speaker 1: really that was your first Hapathy. Yeah, and it was
Speaker 1: as mysterious to me then, you know, as it is now. Well,
Speaker 1: it's less mysterious now based on you know, all these
Speaker 1: crazy things we know, right, But oh, I was telling
Speaker 1: you about you know, the people. Yeah. So my first
Speaker 1: letter was to Barry Goldwater. Then my first app was
Speaker 1: Tanasa and then my mentor's mentor, his own mentor, like
Speaker 1: what he was, what my mentor was to me. The
Speaker 1: man that was that to him was Angleton, James Jesus Angleton,
Speaker 1: the CIA that was his personal mentor. He had been
Speaker 1: drafted in the army and eighteen fifty, my uncle. He
Speaker 1: got into airborne and was brought into Special Ops, special
Speaker 1: Force and Special Ops, and he did a he was
Speaker 1: parachuted in behind the Iron Curtain, as we say, and
Speaker 1: he did this mission, followed the instructions, got back into
Speaker 1: the West, got back into Western Germany and I think
Speaker 1: West Germany. And when he got back to the States,
Speaker 1: he was told to put on a service dress. He did.
Speaker 1: He was picked up by a car from Fort Belvoir
Speaker 1: and he was taken to Virginia, the estate of Angleton,
Speaker 1: and that's where he met Angleton was in Engleton's you
Speaker 1: know then office den at his home, and that was
Speaker 1: the man that was his mentor for many years until
Speaker 1: you know, Angleton died. Of course, he didn't tell me.
Speaker 1: He told me that also he identified the mentor in
Speaker 1: the same conversation he told me about Sam Nunn, all
Speaker 1: he ever talked about all the years when he talked
Speaker 1: about his own mentor. He said, the old man, the
Speaker 1: old man, the old man, and he says, you know
Speaker 1: you're you're going to a next level in your career
Speaker 1: where you know, basically there's He felt there were some
Speaker 1: things he could tell me a little bit more, and
Speaker 1: Angleton being his mentor, and Sam Nunn apparently being my
Speaker 1: sponsor into what he never revealed. But I've said this
Speaker 1: for years, I've suspected it. When I learned about the
Speaker 1: so called mysterious Collins Elite. It really resonates and matches
Speaker 1: things my uncle was telling me for years about his
Speaker 1: career and what he was tailoring me for and so
Speaker 1: for again, for what that's worth. I think maybe that
Speaker 1: was in the background, but definitely what he did tell
Speaker 1: me was it's this. It was this special group he had.
Speaker 1: He said, I've got four of you because you're one
Speaker 1: of four that I'm mentoring, and you're from different organizations,
Speaker 1: different backgrounds, different talents and abilities. And he never did
Speaker 1: reveal exactly what it was. I was just being tailored for,
Speaker 1: but he said all along, it started with this monitoring
Speaker 1: in childhood and this stuff at school.
Speaker 2: Okay, so we have a lot of stuff going on here.
Speaker 2: We got the Redstone Arsenal, James Jesus Angleton, what she
Speaker 2: brings in a whole other aspect here, and then we
Speaker 2: have sam Non Before we get into a little bit
Speaker 2: more detail about them, what happened to your application that
Speaker 2: you gave to NASA rest in Arsenal. Did they ever
Speaker 2: contact you back?
Speaker 1: Nope. I never overtly heard from NASA. And it was
Speaker 1: a standard it was the the SF eighty or whatever.
Speaker 1: That just a standard form for whether you're going to
Speaker 1: empty trash cans or whatever. You know, it's just a
Speaker 1: standard form. And yeah, it was. It was all it
Speaker 1: was kind of cloak and daggerish in a way, in
Speaker 1: a casual way, and I know I And then eleven
Speaker 1: months later, because that was December of eighty six, in
Speaker 1: November of eighty seven, I was instructed go into your
Speaker 1: nearest FBI office. There's a satellite office. It's called an
Speaker 1: raa resident agency in Riverside. I went over there and
Speaker 1: I filled out the their basic their verse, the FBI's
Speaker 1: version of a basic two sheet, you know, one sheet,
Speaker 1: two sides, just to any job at all. And here's
Speaker 1: the thing. Even back then, the average background from the
Speaker 1: time you turn an application and report for duty to
Speaker 1: the FBI. Back then, it was eighteen months, okay. I
Speaker 1: turned that in a November of eighty seven, okay, And
Speaker 1: in mid February, I get a call from the BI
Speaker 1: office in La and I'm told report on the fourteenth
Speaker 1: of March next month. So it was what December of
Speaker 1: January February, three months after applying, I was informed that
Speaker 1: I was hired. And there were two Now there were
Speaker 1: two backgrounds being done on me by two different agencies simultaneously.
Speaker 1: Because I had one of my references, nice old lady
Speaker 1: who was kind of a surrogate grandmother and had known
Speaker 1: me for a number of years because she was a
Speaker 1: neighbor and a friend. She called me one day she goes, oh,
Speaker 1: the guys just came by and talked to me, you know,
Speaker 1: do the guy the agent came by to you know,
Speaker 1: do your background. Oh okay, how did it go? You know?
Speaker 1: She goes, oh, fine, you know, blah blah blah. The
Speaker 1: next day she calls me and she goes, Walter, I
Speaker 1: don't understand what's up. She goes, two agents showed f
Speaker 1: FBI agents to do your background. And I told them
Speaker 1: I already talked to the other agent, and she said
Speaker 1: they asked another agent because FBI at that time they
Speaker 1: did all their own background investigations. So, as it turned out,
Speaker 1: and I heard this from other sources too, there were
Speaker 1: two different organizations independently doing a background on me. I
Speaker 1: have to this day, I have no idea who that
Speaker 1: first background investigator was that talked to the lady in
Speaker 1: the story that he was working alone, different badge, different
Speaker 1: ideas than from the FBI guys. So Black Walter, Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly exactly. It's weird stuff. And you know, God's honest truth,
Speaker 1: that's the weird and there's believe me, there I probably
Speaker 1: should write a book about this particular stuff. I haven't.
Speaker 1: I don't write it. I really, you know, in spite
Speaker 1: of what people might be thinking, because I'm glad blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, Me Me, Me, I don't really write
Speaker 1: about me a lot if you you know, you know
Speaker 1: that I have one book about me. That's one of
Speaker 1: my shortest books. Know, And.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because this is really fascinating. This is like we
Speaker 2: could probably talk you you can probably do a whole
Speaker 2: freaking three hour long show and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't talk about this stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: so I can't. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Redstone Arsenal also has that sister facility, which is Edgewood Arsenal.
Speaker 2: That's where all of the m K Ultra stuff happened
Speaker 2: on Literal Army Soldiers, which was the original name of
Speaker 2: that was called the Huntsville Arsenal. So I any different
Speaker 2: things that's happening right here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it I learned over the years more Huntsville
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously and about you know, the operation
Speaker 1: Paperclip connection and you know it, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: registered higher on my personal radar, like oh wow, wow,
Speaker 1: he had me go there. You know, at the time,
Speaker 1: I didn't know all this stuff, like you know, anything
Speaker 1: about Edgewood and all that there was. I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 1: I you know what it was the first It was
Speaker 1: that trip now that I think about it, that when
Speaker 1: I went and did that application to NASA. That was
Speaker 1: the first time I drove by myself cross country from
Speaker 1: California to Alabama. And I stayed in Las Cruces, New
Speaker 1: Mexico one night and when I woke up, my navel
Speaker 1: was itching, and I kind of, you know, and I realized,
Speaker 1: there's a tiny, tiny little scab. What the hell? And
Speaker 1: it was like perhaps a needle had been inserted. And
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, over the years, I'm like,
Speaker 1: because when I was traveled, from the very first time
Speaker 1: I started driving, like to visit and stuff in my
Speaker 1: affiliation with him, he would always tell me exactly what
Speaker 1: route to take. I would get up, I would start
Speaker 1: at five in the morning. He would say, you started,
Speaker 1: oh five hundred, you call me before you leave, tell
Speaker 1: me you're leaving, and then you drive and you don't
Speaker 1: stop driving for the day. I mean, you know, you
Speaker 1: stop for food and stuff like that, and he goes.
Speaker 1: You don't put down for the night until five pm.
Speaker 1: And then you call me, tell me exactly where you're at.
Speaker 1: So he always knew where I was at. Now I
Speaker 1: did learn later he told me, it's kind of comical
Speaker 1: when I am I taking us away off topic.
Speaker 2: No, this is't super fascinating, it's super interested.
Speaker 1: When I first became an agent, after officer training school,
Speaker 1: this is after the FBI, after officer training school, and
Speaker 1: then after agent training, I pack up my wife and son,
Speaker 1: my then wife and son and move them from New
Speaker 1: York to California. And again he tells me the itinerary,
Speaker 1: take this down to there, you know. And he always
Speaker 1: had me go on the ten when I'm crossing the Southwest. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, this time, I've got my wife and my
Speaker 1: you know, my my three year old son, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you know, the ten's kind of the forty is going
Speaker 1: to be more comfortable because there's better hotels, more you know,
Speaker 1: more often restaurants, and better. So I made the brilliant
Speaker 1: command decision while on the road. We get into Arkansas
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm gonna take the forty instead of
Speaker 1: the ten. And I didn't think to tell him I
Speaker 1: was going to do that. Long story, Sure, I kind
Speaker 1: of pissed him off, and later he explained why he
Speaker 1: goes he goes dummy. All these years, I've always had
Speaker 1: a team following you, and of course it all comes together.
Speaker 1: Then I'm like, oh, of course I call him when
Speaker 1: I leave Walter, you had dumbass, And he said, when
Speaker 1: you changed the route, they lost you for about an
Speaker 1: hour an hour and a half, and so there was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a panic, but they reacquired you.
Speaker 1: And you know, remember when he first started this, I
Speaker 1: was not in that business when this incident happened. The
Speaker 1: moment he told me when you changed the plan, I
Speaker 1: had already been experienced in advanced surveillance encounters. So it
Speaker 1: all fell into place. I'm like, oh my god, he
Speaker 1: has had people following me, you know, all these for
Speaker 1: my safety and so that that was the an over
Speaker 1: to confirm confirmation of that. But all of that to say,
Speaker 1: going back to that first trip, he could easily have
Speaker 1: had people come into my room after I'm asleep, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe sprint some gas up my nose so that I
Speaker 1: go into a deeper sleep, right and who knows what
Speaker 1: they did to me? What what what might they have
Speaker 1: injected into me through the navel, but that that weird,
Speaker 1: little tiny scab was there for like a few days
Speaker 1: and then you know, the itching stopped. And I've always
Speaker 1: wondered about that, Just what the hell? Because he did
Speaker 1: tell me about they use the drug, the pharmaceutical to
Speaker 1: pour the language into your head in your sleep, and
Speaker 1: other kinds of drugs they use. Well look at mk ultru,
Speaker 1: the LSD and the you know, and the weird look
Speaker 1: at the stuff Bob Lazaar was told to drink, you know,
Speaker 1: the the believable part of Lazar's story included the weird
Speaker 1: pine scented liquid that he was told to drink. And
Speaker 1: then there's the liquid on the I'm sorry on the
Speaker 1: Gate program that you know that we were all major
Speaker 1: although mine I don't remember the pink. I remember that
Speaker 1: weird yellow and orange stuff that was given to me
Speaker 1: by the pediatrician. But people, you have to remember, if
Speaker 1: they have access to you through the school program, let
Speaker 1: me tell you, the intelligence community, they can have access
Speaker 1: to you through your doctor, and you not be aware
Speaker 1: at all that your doctor says, oh, I want you
Speaker 1: to take this for a while. Okay, Like I'm on
Speaker 1: a particular rheumatoid arthritis medicine, now, you know. I go,
Speaker 1: I pick it up, I take it. It works for
Speaker 1: what it intended purpose. I have no actual way of knowing,
Speaker 1: short of doing my own chemical test, that there might
Speaker 1: not be something else in there that makes me useful
Speaker 1: to them. I don't know. My friend I told you,
Speaker 1: the lady who the two background investigators that I just
Speaker 1: told you about when her husband, who has also friends with,
Speaker 1: Right after her husband passed away, their apartment was broken into,
Speaker 1: and she goes, I need to come over here and
Speaker 1: see something. My apartment was broken into the police just left,
Speaker 1: but I need you to see something. So I go
Speaker 1: over there and I go, and I got okay. She
Speaker 1: walks me through. She goes, see the TV and the VCR. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she goes, those are brand new. Okay. And walk in
Speaker 1: the back room and she says, there on her chester door,
Speaker 1: she goes, see my jewelry case. She goes, those are
Speaker 1: real diamonds. Those are this and that stuff there it is.
Speaker 1: And then she showed me this envelope full of cash,
Speaker 1: about three hundred and fifty dollars worth of cash. But
Speaker 1: there it was, you know. And her point was they
Speaker 1: didn't take the TV, they didn't take the cash that
Speaker 1: was clearly visible. They didn't take her jewelry, I said, Louise,
Speaker 1: what did they take? She goes? The only thing missing
Speaker 1: from this apartment was the medicine that the VA had
Speaker 1: issued to Eddie on this special med's program. Now later
Speaker 1: I found out from my mentor what Eddie actually did,
Speaker 1: and he was the one that for when I first
Speaker 1: heard the Nhartico story that's now popular, I heard it
Speaker 1: happen in nineteen sixty with some mysterious thing they've found. Anyway,
Speaker 1: Eddie did intel work for the US Air Force and
Speaker 1: the VA. If you have a medical condition, they will
Speaker 1: give you your meds for free, if you're willing to
Speaker 1: be kind of a pharmaceutical guinea pig. And he was
Speaker 1: on that program. But what my mentor told me was
Speaker 1: when I years later asked Hi about the story, he goes.
Speaker 1: The meds they had him on enhanced his abilities parent
Speaker 1: psychic abilities, and so obviously who broke into the apartment.
Speaker 1: The only thing they took was those medicines. What was
Speaker 1: left over. They didn't want her or anyone to get
Speaker 1: their hands on that medicine. But they don't touch the cash,
Speaker 1: They don't touch the jewelry. They don't touch the you know,
Speaker 1: the TV, the things that tweakers who break in and
Speaker 1: you know want will take that stuff.
Speaker 2: So wow, that is super fascinating. Yeah, that's super fascinating.
Speaker 2: So he was doing some kind of oppositions for them psychically.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he would. That was part of what he did.
Speaker 1: For all I know, it could have included, you know,
Speaker 1: remote viewing. He would disappear, he would go out. She'd
Speaker 1: send him out to get milk and eggs, and he
Speaker 1: would disappear for like three hours on occasion, and then
Speaker 1: he comes strolling back and she would go, Edward, where
Speaker 1: have you been? He goes. You know me, Louisa, I
Speaker 1: went to the bookstore and my uncle later told me,
Speaker 1: he goes, he says, he goes, he was going over
Speaker 1: to the base. He's going over to the base and
Speaker 1: doing taskings, intel taskings because that something would come up
Speaker 1: and they'd say, get over here to the base and
Speaker 1: blah blah. Because that's what he was doing, either talking
Speaker 1: with someone that they brought there or you know, augmenting
Speaker 1: whatever they had on. And I don't know the Pacifix.
Speaker 1: All I know is that the weird story that in
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty he gets recalled to the Air Force and
Speaker 1: he's gone for a year, and some weird stuff happens
Speaker 1: with that. She's actually told that, you know, he's it's
Speaker 1: a weird story. She was told that he was, that
Speaker 1: he died, that he was killed. And then like eight
Speaker 1: months later, he knocks on our door and he tells her,
Speaker 1: do not ask me what happened. I will not tell you.
Speaker 1: But I'm off active duty, you know, I want to
Speaker 1: focus on our life, you know, that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: But he was still involved with intel work and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so that's all topic for a whole other show sometime.
Speaker 1: But well, yeah, they broke in and took took the medicine,
Speaker 1: the weird whatever it was he was on that you know,
Speaker 1: enhanced his abilities, that's what they took.
Speaker 2: What.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought I told you this story. I thought
Speaker 1: maybe I'd discussed this on your show.
Speaker 2: No, you've never talked about this. They told her that
Speaker 2: he died. Yeah, he probably was supposed to die or
Speaker 2: they were doing some kind of fake thing and he
Speaker 2: wasn't supposed to return, but when something got switched up
Speaker 2: and then it was made it possible for him to
Speaker 2: actually come back.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, since we're going into it what my uncle
Speaker 1: told me. He goes, he had an encounter. He was
Speaker 1: sent to Antarctica. He had an encounter, and he lost
Speaker 1: his marbles, he lost his mind, and they didn't think
Speaker 1: he was going to pull out of it at all.
Speaker 1: So they made the decision to just tell her he
Speaker 1: got killed. And then it's like eight months later after
Speaker 1: she gets that that actually what it was. The phone rang.
Speaker 1: It was him. He said, I'll be there in ten minutes,
Speaker 1: and she was like, oh my god, there he's knocking
Speaker 1: on her door. And she said that before that, their
Speaker 1: marriage was they weren't like really getting along all that good,
Speaker 1: and it was probably a good thing he went there
Speaker 1: for and they were probably gonna end up, you know,
Speaker 1: getting divorced. And then that happened, and she goes, Now
Speaker 1: the Eddie that came back to me, She goes, Walter,
Speaker 1: that's the eddie you and I know today. He was
Speaker 1: like changed. It was different, you know, a lot more gentler,
Speaker 1: you know. And but he was the guy who and
Speaker 1: I have told this story elsewhere, so if you know
Speaker 1: for over the years, he's the guy that my uncle
Speaker 1: told me about. In nineteen sixty there was this big
Speaker 1: hole they found in Antarctica, and they found huge machinery
Speaker 1: that was ancient. And the people, the personnel that went
Speaker 1: down there, the things they saw and what they encountered.
Speaker 1: I just drove half of them nuts. And I was
Speaker 1: told that Eddie was one of them. See. I was
Speaker 1: told this in the mid nineties. Okay, and it sounds
Speaker 1: like the narrative that we've been hearing what the last
Speaker 1: ten years or so, like the seal one told Linda
Speaker 1: how this and others. But they're told that, oh, this
Speaker 1: just happened in the two thousands. Well no, I was
Speaker 1: told the same narrative in the mid nineties and told
Speaker 1: that it happened over thirty years before. That's what I
Speaker 1: was told. So when this reemerged, I have since wondered
Speaker 1: because I want people to come away from this not
Speaker 1: thinking I'm entirely naive. When this started emerging, like through Lenha,
Speaker 1: Milton Howe and stuff, I'm like, Okay, I wonder if, well,
Speaker 1: my uncle told me this narrative. This is like the
Speaker 1: standard BS narrative they throw at you to see how
Speaker 1: gullible you are right and to test you. Because he
Speaker 1: told me, under no circumstances do you talk to anyone
Speaker 1: about this. And I never talked about this publicly or
Speaker 1: even privately until the two thousands because he told me don't.
Speaker 1: And so I wondered, Okay, was he testing my trustworthiness
Speaker 1: by telling me this wild ass story saying how secret
Speaker 1: it is, don't you dare say anything? Because it's so
Speaker 1: wild but so specific that if I had run my mouth,
Speaker 1: they would be able to trace who ran his mouth.
Speaker 1: And that is a common way. It's called inking the waters,
Speaker 1: you know. That's a common way to test a source
Speaker 1: or an asset.
Speaker 2: Is also how they do documents as well. They'll give
Speaker 2: certain people documents with certain phrases and stuff in it,
Speaker 2: so if that one gets leaked out, they know exactly
Speaker 2: who leaked it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm wondering if maybe you know that was
Speaker 1: being if you know, if it was the Antarctica's story
Speaker 1: was bs. But here's the thing, always the older lady
Speaker 1: she confirmed the part of the story about being told
Speaker 1: he was killed. That's why I that's actually what motivated
Speaker 1: me to go to my uncle and say, hey, but oh,
Speaker 1: because one I've left, I'm sorry, and I've for my credibility.
Speaker 1: I have told this story elsewhere and didn't leave out
Speaker 1: these details. Not only did they not take money or valuables,
Speaker 1: they left some stuff behind. And one of the things
Speaker 1: they left behind was a US Air Force Arctic weather
Speaker 1: parka and it had the we call them the tapes
Speaker 1: said US Air Force. And it had I recall on
Speaker 1: his on the on the tape, it had his rank
Speaker 1: and name. Usually it's your name and your rank is
Speaker 1: subdued on a BDU type thing, but it had m Aj.
Speaker 1: Major Lundy and you know, and she goes, I've never
Speaker 1: seen that before. This is part of what prompted me
Speaker 1: to go of my mentor and say uh. And I
Speaker 1: told him this story. And at first he said, I
Speaker 1: can't tell you until I see you, you know. And
Speaker 1: and then when he did see me again, he goes,
Speaker 1: I can't tell you all the details. But Eddie was
Speaker 1: connected with Air Force Intelligence, and then later I was
Speaker 1: with the f I had when he told me that much,
Speaker 1: I had started with the FBI, and then later when
Speaker 1: I was Air Force so as I then he told
Speaker 1: me the Antarctica part of it. So, for for what
Speaker 1: that's worth, that's one of their my my weird background
Speaker 1: with this stuff for and again it's I lay it
Speaker 1: out there for people to process and you know, decide,
Speaker 1: decide for yourself.
Speaker 2: Right, Really incredible, really incredible. The last thing that I
Speaker 2: want to head on before I let you go is
Speaker 2: back to Sam Nunn. According to you know, because you
Speaker 2: you have told me before who this person was, and uh,
Speaker 2: I think that this is the first time you've ever
Speaker 2: revealed it publicly.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is.
Speaker 2: Thank you for doing that. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: We'll see how much trouble I get into.
Speaker 2: But because we did a little research into him and
Speaker 2: it turns out he's actually still alive.
Speaker 1: Have you ever attempted to never met it, never attempted
Speaker 1: to contact him yet. I wasn't sure how appropriate that
Speaker 1: would be or if he would even acknowledge, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean something like this. He'd probably ignored. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I should try it, I mean, my gosh, before
Speaker 1: he checks out, you know, because he's several years older
Speaker 1: than I am.
Speaker 2: Yes, because I think the gene No. Yeah, James Jesus
Speaker 2: Ingleton died in nineteen eighty seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Sam Nunn be he got into August, got into office
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven. So James Jesus Ingleton dies in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven and saying non gets becomes a chair
Speaker 2: in the Senator of Armed Services Committee in nineteen eighty seven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is kind of interesting because in James Jesus Ingleton
Speaker 2: was the mentor to your mentor.
Speaker 1: Correct, Yes, yes, he was my mentor's mentor.
Speaker 2: And there was a lot of weird things with James
Speaker 2: Jesus Singleton. Did you ever meet him?
Speaker 1: Ever met him? I was, of course when by the
Speaker 1: time he laid on me that Angleton was the mentor
Speaker 1: he'd been talking about all these years. I had been
Speaker 1: in counterintelligence for twelve years, and of course I knew
Speaker 1: exactly who he was. Anybody encountered, anybody who studies modern
Speaker 1: American history has heard of Angleton, but particularly in the
Speaker 1: profession I was in. Holy crap, you know Angleton because
Speaker 1: he does have a a bit of a checkered biography,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there are those who are Angleton haters.
Speaker 1: There are those who, you know, the guy who's perfect,
Speaker 1: could do no wrong. You know, I kind of presently
Speaker 1: reserve my opinion I never met him. I think there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that critics just simply flat out
Speaker 1: don't know about the spook world that they don't understand
Speaker 1: would explain some of the things that they see as
Speaker 1: negative about him and others. So, you know, I presently
Speaker 1: I don't see Angleton as a villain in history. There
Speaker 1: are those who do, I understand too well.
Speaker 2: It's hard to vilify people just based off of like
Speaker 2: little known history that you know about the person. And
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of this stuff is these people's jobs,
Speaker 2: Like it's their job to do this, Like it's their
Speaker 2: job to you know, spy on people and do this
Speaker 2: type of thing, like that's what they're paid to do.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's that's just what it is. And you
Speaker 2: can't be mad at them for doing what their job is.
Speaker 1: What their job is, Yeah, you know, and as long
Speaker 1: as it's not you know, you know, some people believe
Speaker 1: it or you know, I have to tell them believe
Speaker 1: it or not. Whether you want to believe it or not.
Speaker 1: We really that there's a ranks I worked in. There's
Speaker 1: a deep respect for the Constitution, and that's our line.
Speaker 1: This is why, as a former federal agent. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to go off on a rant on this, but
Speaker 1: I'm just stating this. This is why, as a former
Speaker 1: federal agent myself, the activities of ICE over the last
Speaker 1: year or so I find reprehensible and disgusting and unacceptable
Speaker 1: from federal agents period. I'll leave it at that, because
Speaker 1: we really do have a respect for that in the
Speaker 1: rights and stuff. So I never did anything in the
Speaker 1: course of my duties that violated that, you know, never
Speaker 1: tortured anyone, never, never did. My job was going after
Speaker 1: foreign agents and terrorists, you know. And this one of
Speaker 1: the things that bothers me in our community is this theme.
Speaker 1: And some people that are of mine, they're constantly harping
Speaker 1: on this, Oh, a counterintelligence agent's job, their whole job
Speaker 1: is just to lie to us, to lie to us,
Speaker 1: all because of those who have worked with disinformation. So
Speaker 1: now all counterintelligence agents, by people in this community are
Speaker 1: absolutely defined as just their job is to lie to
Speaker 1: the public. And I kind of take personal offense to
Speaker 1: that because in a way, okay, yeah, disinformation, but not
Speaker 1: all of us, not all of us were part of that,
Speaker 1: or you know, that wasn't Any disinformation I was involved
Speaker 1: with was always aimed and targeted at foreign intelligence agencies
Speaker 1: hostive foreign intelligence agencies. At no time in my career
Speaker 1: as a counterintelligence counter espionage guy was I involved with
Speaker 1: lying to the American Company, and so I take offense
Speaker 1: to this this broad brush description in the UFO community
Speaker 1: and the conspiracy community about all CIA agents and that's
Speaker 1: just a little professional right there speaking.
Speaker 2: But well, you can understand seeing them from their perspective
Speaker 2: because it seems like that's what's happening right now. But yes,
Speaker 2: you were involved, but that seems to be right, what
Speaker 2: is going on right now in this very day that.
Speaker 1: There are You're right, there are guys doing it. I
Speaker 1: think I thought from the get go that Alizonda was
Speaker 1: doing it. And you know a lot of this, Oh
Speaker 1: me too. I'm a CIA guy or former intelligence guy
Speaker 1: who's had an encounter. I'm an experiencer. I saw that
Speaker 1: as a as a perception management tactic all along from
Speaker 1: the beginning, and I think I was one of three
Speaker 1: people in the community that spoke out about it starting
Speaker 1: in twenty seventeen and took a lot of crap from people.
Speaker 1: I would have people getting angry at me when I suggested,
Speaker 1: tik TeX's probably our technology. You know, MG, what is
Speaker 1: it turned out to be? Generally everybody accepts now because
Speaker 1: of the evidence that says it that it was our technology,
Speaker 1: and this is this is kind of one of my
Speaker 1: piece with the with UFOLOGY sometimes as they get enthused
Speaker 1: because something comes out that excites them. But you know,
Speaker 1: if you're going to be if you're going to consider
Speaker 1: yourself or put yourself out there as somebody who investigates anything,
Speaker 1: us professional investigators there therefore are going to hold you
Speaker 1: to the same standard we'reheld to. And I want to
Speaker 1: see discernment and this peeve that I mentioned, that's a
Speaker 1: good way to practice discernment. They should be saying there
Speaker 1: are some federal agents who get involved in this disinformation stuff,
Speaker 1: but we're not going to paint all of them that way,
Speaker 1: because why is that harmful. I've been out here for
Speaker 1: years and people know my background. When we start painting
Speaker 1: CI agents in that way, all of them with a
Speaker 1: broad brush, then that that affects my credibility. And I've
Speaker 1: been nothing but honest with you know, the UFOLOGY public,
Speaker 1: you know, and I've been around for some years, and
Speaker 1: I don't want to be painted with that brush. So
Speaker 1: for what.
Speaker 2: Absolutely agree, Walter. Thanks so much for coming on, brother.
Speaker 2: I really appreciate it. Very fascinating conversation. We could probably
Speaker 2: keep talking about it. With everything that you show for
Speaker 2: another like three or four hours on this bad ball bet.
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Speaker 1: Thank you next time.
Speaker 2: Bye bye,