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Speaker 3: Hi, and welcome back to another episode of Deplorable Nation.
Speaker 3: I'm your host, Deplorable Janet, and today, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: boys and girls, fans of all ages, shapes and sizes,
Speaker 3: we are back with another installment in our episodes for
Speaker 3: February about questionable facillit. So today we're talking about santion
Speaker 3: neglect inside nursing homes.
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Speaker 6: That's true.
Speaker 4: That's all.
Speaker 6: That's true.
Speaker 4: This, Even though this is a sad situation that we're
Speaker 4: going to talk about today, I'm glad we're doing it
Speaker 4: because this situation is just out of hand. And even
Speaker 4: though we're going to go into like how it was reformed,
Speaker 4: it's still out of hand.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say later on, when we get further
Speaker 3: down the rabbit hole into things, I'm going to share
Speaker 3: because I had to do a lot of rotations and
Speaker 3: nursing homes and I decided way back then that that
Speaker 3: was not the place for me.
Speaker 4: Oh no, take me out back and shoot me first.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not my cup of tea. Now, could
Speaker 3: they use good workers, yes, But because of the way
Speaker 3: things are set up, even though there's wink wink oversight
Speaker 3: and things are supposed to be better running more smoothly.
Speaker 3: They are literally the worst places in the world.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like cattle or the dog pound. I
Speaker 4: don't know, something like that.
Speaker 3: I think they actually treat animals that the dog pound
Speaker 3: better than they treat nursing home patients.
Speaker 4: So we used to go we used to go visit
Speaker 4: my aunt there long time ago, probably like mid nineties,
Speaker 4: and I just remember half dressed people in the hallways,
Speaker 4: screaming for help, the smell of piss just it was
Speaker 4: like overwhelming. And I already get overstimulated pretty easy, like ah,
Speaker 4: people screaming whatever. And I have worked in some of them.
Speaker 4: And the thing that makes you feel the worst is,
Speaker 4: you know, typically when I did agency, you know, you
Speaker 4: would get one full haul and you would have like
Speaker 4: ivs and pick lines, and it complicated dressings and tons
Speaker 4: of insulin dependent diabetics which nobody's checking insulin with you,
Speaker 4: and like all this crazy stuff. And then you I've
Speaker 4: got like a total of forty people to give meds to,
Speaker 4: and the CNAs want help, and you want to help them.
Speaker 4: But the problem is if you stop this guy that
Speaker 4: needs his desperate medication for antibiotics, or I'll never whatever
Speaker 4: it's gonna be late, and so you would sometimes have
Speaker 4: to say, you know, I'm so sorry, like I'll have
Speaker 4: to go get the aid or whatever. Like the one
Speaker 4: exception for me is I will always help someone to
Speaker 4: the bathroom because that's just not okay, the dignity issue there.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to make somebody have a problem in
Speaker 4: their pants, like that's horrible. But oftentimes that's real.
Speaker 3: That's exactly what happens because they're overwork, they're underpaid, they
Speaker 3: have way too many people to one you know, aid
Speaker 3: or nurse or you know, whoever's working, and there's not
Speaker 3: enough time in the day, which it's very stressful.
Speaker 6: And then they don't get good qualified help.
Speaker 3: And that's where they get a lot of people that
Speaker 3: really don't care. If you sit in feces for twenty
Speaker 3: four or forty eight hours, they don't care.
Speaker 4: And they they usually only have two eighth for forty people.
Speaker 4: That is bananas. And you know they're raking in dope
Speaker 4: because they make you forfeit your whole medicare check. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: whether it's like cheap medicare, like you're you're all of it, disability,
Speaker 4: whatever you get is theirs right, and they take the
Speaker 4: whole thing even if like say so and so pays
Speaker 4: eight hundred, this guy has eight thousand, like they're taking
Speaker 4: it all.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: With that with the financial stuff, and I'm sure it's
Speaker 3: different in different states, but like coming from Indiana, if
Speaker 3: you owned a house and you went into a nursing home,
Speaker 3: you had to sign your house over. You could no
Speaker 3: longer own your home. That was now the property of
Speaker 3: the nursing home.
Speaker 4: Which just reminds me of the old churches. That's how
Speaker 4: they used to do this. So and we're going to
Speaker 4: get into all this, but it just disgusts me. I
Speaker 4: understand that people are really busy in America, and I
Speaker 4: get it, but I'm sorry, Like in Asian countries, this
Speaker 4: is a travesty. And I think there's something because I
Speaker 4: was raised with a lot of grandparents around me. I
Speaker 4: was raised by my grandma, and she took care of
Speaker 4: her mother, so not that she needed. She didn't want
Speaker 4: to be took care of. She's an old pioneer lady.
Speaker 4: She's like, get the hell away from me, and she
Speaker 4: legitimately could do everything. She was still bathing her ninety
Speaker 4: year old sister at eighty something, you know, So this
Speaker 4: is what we're working with. Yeah, the guys dropped dead early.
Speaker 4: I don't know why, but that's what happened. And you know,
Speaker 4: these women lived a long time, took care of one another,
Speaker 4: so it didn't happen like that, you know. And my
Speaker 4: grandma just used to bake me, like don't please, don't
Speaker 4: ever put me. And I tell my kids this now.
Speaker 4: But also it's not just about giving grace and love
Speaker 4: and being helpful to that situation. It's also taken something
Speaker 4: out of the home for American children to learn from
Speaker 4: their elders, to respect their elders, to have you know,
Speaker 4: community importance for old people, because not all of them
Speaker 4: are freaking just thrown well, none of them should be
Speaker 4: just thrown to the curb, you know, like some of
Speaker 4: them are more damaged than others. And I understand that,
Speaker 4: Like maybe they can't talk, but you can communicate on
Speaker 4: another level, you can. I don't know, there's a part
Speaker 4: of humanity in me that just says, that's not how
Speaker 4: this is supposed to be.
Speaker 3: But you know what, I think it speaks volumes to
Speaker 3: today's society because we're lazy, we're instant gratification, and we
Speaker 3: don't want to be bothered with something that could be
Speaker 3: and something I mean, look at compare that to like
Speaker 3: the parents that use like an iPad or an iPod
Speaker 3: for a babysitter, right, or phone for a babysitter instead
Speaker 3: of actually interacting with your child, Like nobody wants to
Speaker 3: be bothered.
Speaker 4: And well, then I get you don't want to change
Speaker 4: your parents, Stiper, But here's the problem.
Speaker 6: They changed yours yours, see exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just have instilled with my kids from
Speaker 4: a very young age and it actually backfired on my
Speaker 4: second daughter, which is rough because she's so giving that
Speaker 4: she's ended up in some weird situations where she's like,
Speaker 4: I was just trying to help this guy and he's weird.
Speaker 4: He got weird, you know, And why would that happen?
Speaker 4: I'm like, because they saw their predators. It's not your kid,
Speaker 4: you know, right. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: even you know, if you don't want to live with them,
Speaker 4: then build them as she shed in the backyard. I
Speaker 4: don't give a shit, Like you guys have some sort
Speaker 4: of responsibility to these people. And that's just how I feel.
Speaker 4: And I know that's not going to be popular.
Speaker 3: Well, and it may not be popular but maybe we
Speaker 3: come from a better generation where uh, that's not something
Speaker 3: that would ever cross our minds to do.
Speaker 6: Because I'm a caregiver. You're a caregiver.
Speaker 3: We're compassionate, caring people outside of what we did for profession,
Speaker 3: you know, And so I can't I can say that
Speaker 3: it wouldn't matter if it was my family, if it
Speaker 3: was my husband's family, it would be the same.
Speaker 6: We would take it on.
Speaker 4: And like with my husband, he's got a really close
Speaker 4: brother to his parents, you know, And I get that,
Speaker 4: but hold on one second.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, it's it's one of those choices
Speaker 3: that people have to make, and they should have kind
Speaker 3: of discussions with their family members about what they're going
Speaker 3: to do when when their family members get older, and
Speaker 3: what the expectations are, what the limitations are are you
Speaker 3: going to take in your family members, you know, and
Speaker 3: if you're if you're the one that's aging like me,
Speaker 3: because I'm seeing your menu level age, now, what you
Speaker 3: would like to see from your family and if they
Speaker 3: will be willing to do so or not do so,
Speaker 3: which is not always you know, things that people don't discuss.
Speaker 3: And then it comes down to it and somebody has
Speaker 3: a stroke or you know, some kind of illness, and
Speaker 3: they wind up having to make that decision at the
Speaker 3: last minute instead of thinking ahead of time like do
Speaker 3: you have room, like where would you set somebody up
Speaker 3: in your house?
Speaker 6: And things of that nature.
Speaker 3: So those are definitely things to go over and to consider,
Speaker 3: and you should be having those discussions before the time
Speaker 3: gets here.
Speaker 4: Absolutely. And you know, my grandma was close to me,
Speaker 4: but her mother wasn't overly close to me. Sorry, I
Speaker 4: had a funk my kid right anyway, So I still
Speaker 4: would get off work when she got really sick and
Speaker 4: she ended up, you know, in hospice at home, and
Speaker 4: I would go over there and help, like I help
Speaker 4: with I probably gave her her last I was of medication,
Speaker 4: you know, to pass away. My grandpa too, They all
Speaker 4: died at home because we don't. We don't do that.
Speaker 4: My grandma unfortunately, no, because my cousin had power of attorney,
Speaker 4: so I couldn't. She shouldn't have been in a hospital.
Speaker 4: She had a very specific power of attorney there and
Speaker 4: she didn't want any of that, and they did it,
Speaker 4: they did cardiac measures, and I'm sure she was just livid.
Speaker 4: And I just was like bro like stop, what are you?
Speaker 4: She one of the times she woke up for a
Speaker 4: very short brief seconds.
Speaker 6: Ope, a lost her.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be one of those days today, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 3: where uh play stupid games when stupid prizes. Uh yeah,
Speaker 3: it is one of those things. Hair, let me remove
Speaker 3: that one.
Speaker 6: There we go.
Speaker 4: It's like nothing's working, like my grade isn't working? My
Speaker 4: uh son? Is that? The stories like your cards? And
Speaker 4: I'm like, is it what? Nothing's working?
Speaker 6: Stop it, Jim exactly, Sorry, Jim, Jim, you're started to
Speaker 6: become a stalker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jim, stop that. We're just talking about old people.
Speaker 6: Back up right anyway. But the yeah at home.
Speaker 3: Are important, like with the you know what your what
Speaker 3: your final wishes are, and you know, discussions are difficult
Speaker 3: and some people can't face stress, they don't process stress well,
Speaker 3: and they can't have conversations about do.
Speaker 6: You want CPR, do you want a d n R?
Speaker 3: Do you want that's a do not resus state for
Speaker 3: people that don't know, Like burial plans.
Speaker 6: Do you want to be buried? Do you want to
Speaker 6: be cremated?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 6: All of those things should be discussions that you have
Speaker 6: with your family.
Speaker 4: If you really want to help your family, and you
Speaker 4: are I mean, anytime, honestly, because shit happens. Right. My
Speaker 4: brother was thirty seven, so thank god my cousin had
Speaker 4: that talk with him, because we didn't know burial or cremation.
Speaker 4: We honestly didn't know. And think Kevin's he had had
Speaker 4: somewhere discussion with my cousin because they were both in
Speaker 4: the military. But I'm like, okay, my grandma, did you
Speaker 4: know her living will? And she did all the things.
Speaker 4: Everything was outlined exactly what she wanted, all her measures,
Speaker 4: what she did want, what she didn't want, everything, and
Speaker 4: it was That's why when my cousin went against it,
Speaker 4: and I love him, he panicked. It wasn't to be.
Speaker 4: He wasn't being mean. This is the problem. He freaked out.
Speaker 4: And when her blood pressure dropped and it was time
Speaker 4: for her to go, he panicked. And they said, okay,
Speaker 4: well and they will override that. If you have you know,
Speaker 4: a DNR, your power of attorney person can override it.
Speaker 4: And actually anybody in your family can overwrite it if
Speaker 4: their immediate family like kids and husband. Yeah. Ever, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's crazy.
Speaker 3: And please, it's so funny because him and I have
Speaker 3: have these discussions often, and you know, we even like
Speaker 3: if you're going to do a funeral or not funeral,
Speaker 3: and if you did, what kind of music would you
Speaker 3: want played?
Speaker 6: And you know, see what your songs and you know.
Speaker 4: What do you want? Yeah, because I don't want people
Speaker 4: staring at my dead mug. I'll tell you what right now,
Speaker 4: that's some creepy ass shit. And you people, anybody can
Speaker 4: if you need closure, I get it. But for me,
Speaker 4: that's creepy because I've been to a lot of funerals.
Speaker 4: I don't like it. My husband knows, the family prayer people.
Speaker 4: They can look at my stupid face. If you want
Speaker 4: to see it, then shut the damn thing. Shut it.
Speaker 4: I don't want a bunch of weird people that didn't
Speaker 4: care about me in life staring at me weird dead
Speaker 4: with my hair bad. No, No, I don't like that
Speaker 4: makeup job. What I look? You know what I hate
Speaker 4: the most, And we'll get on with it. People come
Speaker 4: to every funeral and this is zach. I've had so
Speaker 4: many tragedies in my family. I'm telling you. They all
Speaker 4: come around the casket, they do this, and then they
Speaker 4: go he looks really good, And I'm like no, he doesn't.
Speaker 4: He looks like shit, like, what are what some people
Speaker 4: do look good? My great grandma looks great. She looked
Speaker 4: like what like I don't know, just she just I
Speaker 4: was like, go grandma. But and my son's stepmom tragically
Speaker 4: died really early, and she looked alive, and it was
Speaker 4: almost scared. It was almost frightening, like we we were
Speaker 4: waiting for her to breathe, you know. It was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: that was also weird. And so with my brother, because
Speaker 4: he was an accidental overdose, they had him for a minute,
Speaker 4: girl like it was like over ten days, okay, because
Speaker 4: the state requires it on anybody under the age of
Speaker 4: forty to make sure blah blah blah. And so by
Speaker 4: the time they got him, I just almost disassociated because
Speaker 4: I was like, like, I'm staring at this thing that
Speaker 4: is supposed to be my brother and it is not
Speaker 4: my brother, Like, in no sense of the word, did
Speaker 4: that look like my brother? And everybody's saying how good
Speaker 4: he looks, And I'm just like traumatized, and I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 4: he always wore shades always, and I happened to bring
Speaker 4: a hair because I was going to put him on
Speaker 4: him when they should shut the thing because he always
Speaker 4: wore them. And it was then that I saw my
Speaker 4: brother because his nose at least kind of looked the
Speaker 4: same like certain things, you know, and that's really traumatic,
Speaker 4: like when you are trying to put two and two
Speaker 4: together and say goodbye when it's not you know, I
Speaker 4: had already said goodbye at the hospital, and so that
Speaker 4: was it was hard. But I'm not saying if you
Speaker 4: guys do it different, that's fine. But like Janet said,
Speaker 4: all this stuff should be an easy outline so you
Speaker 4: can actually have your wishes done because if somebody panics your.
Speaker 3: Scripts, especially like for us, I don't want to put
Speaker 3: that extra stress or burden on my husband or on
Speaker 3: our children. You know what I mean, it's so much,
Speaker 3: it's so hard enough. Exactly what I want. This is
Speaker 3: exactly what I expect, you know. And don't go waste
Speaker 3: your money on a stupid burial plot somewhere, you know.
Speaker 4: Check me in the backyard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, put me out there with the wildlife. That is yes,
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: My one kid, she's so like hippie woo woo. She
Speaker 4: told me that after everybody leaves, I have to get
Speaker 4: her naked. So she I said, I am not going
Speaker 4: to be alive. First of all, I am not dying
Speaker 4: before my children are. I'm not alive if you're gone.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't want that. So I'm going to
Speaker 4: put that out there right now in the universe. Please God.
Speaker 4: We've been through that a lot and enough. But she said, Mom,
Speaker 4: if by chance, I just don't want to be in
Speaker 4: there all stuffy. I said, what about the funeral man,
Speaker 4: like you want me to shut it? And she's like no.
Speaker 4: I said, well, you can't be naked in there like
Speaker 4: for the people. And she said, just stick me in
Speaker 4: a nightgown then, and I said I can do that.
Speaker 4: And she's just really obsessed with that, like she wants
Speaker 4: to go out how she came in mm hmm. She said,
Speaker 4: I can understand that little much happy kid.
Speaker 6: If you had open cast it with a niggad.
Speaker 4: I mean we'd be like oh and then everybody would go, yeah,
Speaker 4: wake up. And you know, it's just she's funny that
Speaker 4: way in general. But I was like, that is a
Speaker 4: new one. I haven't heard that before. You know, everyone
Speaker 4: in Utah. I don't know if people know this. Everyone
Speaker 4: well that's been through the temple is buried in their
Speaker 4: temple clothes, and the people that put the clothes on
Speaker 4: are the family members. They have to go dress the
Speaker 4: dead corbs. It's so weird. Welcome to your weird lesson
Speaker 4: of Mormonism for today. And I'm not saying that that's
Speaker 4: bad because I know lots of people dress their loved ones,
Speaker 4: but like it's a ritualistic type sitch, and so yeah,
Speaker 4: they go and dress them in their weird temple clothes
Speaker 4: and all the things, and so they all go always
Speaker 4: the same, oh those two those but their temple actual
Speaker 4: clothes with their Masonic apron and their robe and their
Speaker 4: hat and the veil, and so everybody that dies looks
Speaker 4: the same. It's kind of creepy in a way because
Speaker 4: they're all buried in the same exact thing. And so
Speaker 4: I was like, miss me with that ship, don't you
Speaker 4: put don't let them get me? He do it.
Speaker 3: Well, maybe that's why uh the uh heaven skate people
Speaker 3: with the Adidas stracksuits and whatever. Maybe that's they were
Speaker 3: following the same kind of thing where we all got
Speaker 3: to be.
Speaker 4: It's very similar. You're not you're barking up the right tree,
Speaker 4: because it's all death cults at the end of the day. Yeah,
Speaker 4: pretty creepy. Creepy. Well, I'll share my screen and shut
Speaker 4: up now. But there's there's your you know things for today.
Speaker 4: Do take care of your plans.
Speaker 3: Straight lessoned for today kids, Yes, yeah, and you need it.
Speaker 3: History of nursing homes right, They were not called nursing
Speaker 3: homes back in the day, and so older people and
Speaker 3: especially people with no means were often forced into places
Speaker 3: that they would call poorhouses or almshouses or any of
Speaker 3: the different things that they were called county county homes, infirmaries,
Speaker 3: things like that.
Speaker 6: And so let me pull that, pull your thing up.
Speaker 3: So who was put in these homes. It wasn't just
Speaker 3: elderly people. So early nursing homes were not just for
Speaker 3: the old age. Elderly people without family were a big
Speaker 3: portion of it because like they outlived their children or
Speaker 3: they never got married, they didn't have children, and they
Speaker 3: had no surviving relatives or anything like that, and so
Speaker 3: they would basically institutionalize them to keep them off the street.
Speaker 3: Widows were another big thing, widows and women, and so
Speaker 3: because of the fact that women rarely owned property, you
Speaker 3: were less than you weren't worthy to be a member
Speaker 3: of society. So if your husband died first, you got
Speaker 3: put in there just because you were widowed. And most
Speaker 3: women didn't work back in the day, and so again
Speaker 3: if he died first, that made you poor, so they
Speaker 3: would put you in. Or if you were childless, you
Speaker 3: definitely got sent there. So women were a big portion
Speaker 3: of the of the nursing homes as well anybody that
Speaker 3: was quote feeble minded or cognitively impaired, and so it
Speaker 3: didn't matter if you had Alzheimer's or delirium, if you
Speaker 3: had stroke related decline or any kind of developmental disability,
Speaker 3: you'd be in there too because uh and they would
Speaker 3: be there there senile, insane or an imbecile, So.
Speaker 4: Like that whole colony situation for the epileptics and feeble
Speaker 4: minded didn't know that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't that a very nice place? Super duper so
Speaker 3: chronically ill people also were put in there, So if
Speaker 3: you had tuberculosis, if you've ever had a stroke, if
Speaker 3: you had a limb amputated, and if you were blind
Speaker 3: or war veterans or with injuries, they were also committed.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 3: Alcoholics and morally unfit people there would be a lot
Speaker 3: of people in the States, Oh shit, you all better
Speaker 3: watch it. So if alcoholism in the eighteen hundreds and
Speaker 3: early nineteen hundreds was treated as moral failure and degeneracy,
Speaker 3: and so these were early mental health terminology, and so
Speaker 3: they would they would put them in there.
Speaker 4: I thought this picture was crazy because he's like, this
Speaker 4: is a cool side by side photo for leg back
Speaker 4: in the day, Like ya, He's got his legs on
Speaker 4: and his legs off, And I kind of think it's
Speaker 4: it's pretty cool that he would even do that, because
Speaker 4: a lot of people nowadays might not.
Speaker 3: Right one hundred percent. So kind of like we talked
Speaker 3: about on the previous episode with the Kennedy family, So
Speaker 3: the members that people couldn't handle or didn't want to
Speaker 3: handle because they either they were difficult or they had
Speaker 3: behavioral issues, they were embarrassment to the family, they were
Speaker 3: somebody that resisted authority.
Speaker 6: You and I would be in the nursing home Whoopsie, Yeah,
Speaker 6: if you were pressed or grieving.
Speaker 3: So if your spouse dies in your grieving, they would
Speaker 3: put you in a facility as well.
Speaker 4: Better get over it, Bessie.
Speaker 3: And release from these facilities was very very very rare,
Speaker 3: very rare. And so not only were they uber overcrowded
Speaker 3: a lot of times, they were not heated. Wouldn't that
Speaker 3: be a fabulous place to be? They were really super
Speaker 3: dirty and had, like I said, the very mixed population,
Speaker 3: so children, elderly, amputeese, heerculosis, so all of these things
Speaker 3: put together. And so because of that, disease was rampant
Speaker 3: and they had very high death rates in their area.
Speaker 4: And they didn't like to beat them apparently because this
Speaker 4: poor lady.
Speaker 6: What the hell a big time? Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that was purposeful or not, but damn.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, but that's that's a horrible thing.
Speaker 3: And that still happens today too. Because this one made
Speaker 3: me laugh a little. It's not funny, but.
Speaker 6: It looks like me in the morning.
Speaker 4: Right, I'm like, this actually seems like an actual real
Speaker 4: torture thing. But his face is like, what the hell
Speaker 4: is happening here? Because something's going on with his tongue.
Speaker 4: I don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 3: There, Yeah, I don't know. And what is that around
Speaker 3: his neck?
Speaker 4: You take a weird I think they like he couldn't
Speaker 4: spit and couldn't talk and couldn't do things with his
Speaker 4: mouth like I don't even know that's all. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So that was the basis the premise of the first
Speaker 3: nursing homes, and of course along came the Social Security
Speaker 3: Act of nineteen thirty five, and it unintentionally fueled the
Speaker 3: rise of private nursing homes. What could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 3: And then you know that stepped up later on when
Speaker 3: we came out with Medicare and Medicaid in nineteen sixty five,
Speaker 3: and those programs made government the largest payer for long
Speaker 3: term care and also the largest collector of finances and
Speaker 3: properties for long term.
Speaker 4: But they don't have money to pay for people anymore
Speaker 4: because right now, well.
Speaker 3: Because we're giving it all the way to people that
Speaker 3: aren't from here. But that's beside the point why digress.
Speaker 3: So nineteen seventies and nineteen eighties was spurred like a
Speaker 3: bunch of public outcry and demand for regulation because of
Speaker 3: the things that were happening in the nursing homes and
Speaker 3: so not only widespread documented episodes of systemic neglect and
Speaker 3: abuse and things like that. But it took another eighteen
Speaker 3: or seventeen years before they passed the Nursing Home Reformact
Speaker 3: of nineteen eighty seven to establish minimum standards. And believe me,
Speaker 3: minimum standards is literally what they follow to not get
Speaker 3: their doors closed and to still get their government funding. Supposedly,
Speaker 3: patients get a bill of rights to help fight mistreatment.
Speaker 3: But if you are alone or if they isolate you
Speaker 3: from your family like we saw during cold then how
Speaker 3: would you fight against your rights being abused.
Speaker 4: Here's the actual laws being enacted for that. So I
Speaker 4: thought that was a cool picture. Is like I said,
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, people got smarter, and I think
Speaker 4: this is why they're running running out of money, is
Speaker 4: because they started making sure they had living wills and
Speaker 4: that their property wasn't going to be seized and all
Speaker 4: this stuff, right, and and that's why I think they're
Speaker 4: having the trouble they're having.
Speaker 3: Because it was like a giant piggy bank for them,
Speaker 3: you know. And even though with all of these different
Speaker 3: acts and stuff and privatization of nursing homes or whatever,
Speaker 3: they're literally you got people that retire from Congress or
Speaker 3: retire from other positions and political life or whatever, and
Speaker 3: then they start up foundation and they run these So
Speaker 3: is it really privatized?
Speaker 6: No? No, just going to the Yeah.
Speaker 3: Were there some private facilities, of course there were, but
Speaker 3: that didn't mean that you got any better care than
Speaker 3: anything that was government sanctioned or privately run.
Speaker 4: And these big mansions in Ogden, it was very uh prevalent,
Speaker 4: and still some of them are still being like refixed
Speaker 4: to turn the big mansions, like you know you said,
Speaker 4: into these war at homes or whatever. And I used
Speaker 4: to run a wedding business and I like rented the
Speaker 4: deep basement of this creepy mansion. And let me tell
Speaker 4: you some of the creepiest stuff ever because there was
Speaker 4: like a slight down there that I think it might
Speaker 4: have used to been for mortuary stuff. But it also
Speaker 4: had all these tiny little rooms like it had been
Speaker 4: separated out, and then there were school chairs in there,
Speaker 4: which was weird because it wasn't a school, and there
Speaker 4: was like a kitchen down there. This is like in
Speaker 4: the deep, deep basement, and it honestly looked like one
Speaker 4: day the aliens came and just took I wished i'd
Speaker 4: tooken pictures, took all the people and just like whoop
Speaker 4: and took them all and then they were just gone
Speaker 4: because there was still like weird toothbrush, like there was
Speaker 4: still stuff in there. It was so bizarre. It's the craziest,
Speaker 4: but well better better than a nursing home.
Speaker 3: I say, well, and like we talked about on a
Speaker 3: previous episode, you know, were they experimenting on these people
Speaker 3: and are there or if they dug up in a
Speaker 3: lot of these properties, would they find like mass grapes
Speaker 3: where these people just up and disappeared because they don't
Speaker 3: disappeared from from one means or another right, and then
Speaker 3: they just like the.
Speaker 6: Carried them out back.
Speaker 4: Yeah, spooky.
Speaker 3: So abuse and neglect are definitely systemic problems still to
Speaker 3: this day. It is still a big, big problem. And
Speaker 3: so almost a third of nursing homes back in the
Speaker 3: day had violations likely to cause harm or serious injury
Speaker 3: or death to patients. That's interesting, huh. Probably a lot
Speaker 3: of that going on too.
Speaker 4: So some little re enacted silly photos, but they're not
Speaker 4: going to real ones.
Speaker 6: She's like, Marge, sit down, like I'm trying to to
Speaker 6: let go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, let go of me. People used to grab me
Speaker 4: all the time when I'd go see that ant help me.
Speaker 3: I'm like, so what the studies that have been done,
Speaker 3: forty four percent of residents have reported abuse and ninety
Speaker 3: five percent saw neglect. However, only about ten percent actually
Speaker 3: takes place in reporting because a lot of these people,
Speaker 3: especially if they were mentally incapacitated, had no means to
Speaker 3: be able to report anything, and the workers are sure
Speaker 3: not going to report. And I know everybody has probably
Speaker 3: seen like videos on TikTok or Facebook or Instagram, which
Speaker 3: there was a lot of it during the COVID stuff
Speaker 3: where they were there would be a worker that was
Speaker 3: literally assaulting a patient, like beating them in the head
Speaker 3: or you know whatever. Yeah, it's still a problem. It
Speaker 3: is still a problem.
Speaker 4: Yeah, terrifying, Hold me down so I can feel.
Speaker 3: Better, right, that's well, sometimes people just need a tight
Speaker 3: smuggle like.
Speaker 4: That, right, Yeah, that's not intimidating.
Speaker 3: So not only was their physical abuse, but of course
Speaker 3: verbal and emotional abuse. You know, your family doesn't want you,
Speaker 3: they abandoned you, all the things, even the kind of
Speaker 3: things that they would do to the children and the orphanages.
Speaker 3: Definitely neglect. But financial exploitation was a huge thing still
Speaker 3: is a huge thing. He's taken she's taken all the money,
Speaker 3: which is.
Speaker 4: Not a nurse bro be. The corporate people back there.
Speaker 3: Pretty much what still happens these days.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, So.
Speaker 3: The nineteen thirties to nineteen sixties is kind of when
Speaker 3: they made that shift away from like government stuff to
Speaker 3: the private nursing homes because of the So Security Act.
Speaker 3: But states shut down many of the poorhouses and the
Speaker 3: almshouses and things that existed before the term nursing home,
Speaker 3: and they moved people into the private nursing homes without
Speaker 3: consent so that they could receive payment. Isn't that nice
Speaker 3: because you know.
Speaker 4: Nurse, wouldn't you want to go to bed? Let's get it.
Speaker 6: Well, although I wrapped me down, strap me down.
Speaker 4: I have to say this about the posys and for
Speaker 4: people that don't know what that is, it's like a
Speaker 4: backwards shirt and it ties to the back of the
Speaker 4: bed when they were hooked to the alarm, the bed
Speaker 4: alarm that pulls as soon as they move, and not
Speaker 4: strap down, but just to let us know, right, you're
Speaker 4: going to fall now because people forget and they just
Speaker 4: want to get up and they break their hips, right right.
Speaker 4: So we've gone to this reform to help, and what
Speaker 4: we've done is we've become retarded now. And so this
Speaker 4: is what I have to chart. Patient has the right
Speaker 4: to fall. Are you serious right now? Like we're not
Speaker 4: going to do anything for Betty who's super old and
Speaker 4: frail and doesn't understand.
Speaker 3: Or like very denial, doesn't have or anything, or they've
Speaker 3: got her on drugs like ambient.
Speaker 4: Right, and they always do and it's the horror. Do
Speaker 4: not give that to old people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm telling you, because it makes people jump out
Speaker 3: second stories thinking that they can fly.
Speaker 4: They get cuckoo crazy, I'm telling you right now. And also, uh,
Speaker 4: they're am a tripolene. Don't give that to old people tras.
Speaker 4: Sometimes that's a bad idea. I'm not saying always, but
Speaker 4: it can be.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 3: A lot ofs that are give them benadryll that are
Speaker 3: things that they should not be getting.
Speaker 6: But that was a major problem and still is.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And they would medicate them as a form of chemical
Speaker 3: can chemical restraint because they didn't want to be bothered,
Speaker 3: or they didn't want to have to keep checking on
Speaker 3: somebody getting up.
Speaker 4: Or Bessie checked her pisture light too many times.
Speaker 6: Knocker at that's exactly right.
Speaker 3: And so you know, early treatment in these places it
Speaker 3: was I don't even think you could really use the
Speaker 3: word treatment, right, it's very that's a very loose, loose
Speaker 3: interpretation of treatment. And so not only did they have
Speaker 3: the physical restraints that ties the belts, all of that stuff,
Speaker 3: but they also put them unlocked wards. Lots of times
Speaker 3: havely sedated him or insulin shock therapy was used on people,
Speaker 3: especially in psychiatric instances or whatever. But remember on a
Speaker 3: previous show where we said you could be deemed a
Speaker 3: psychiatric patient if you were a female, you were menstrating,
Speaker 3: your going on your what do you call it menopause,
Speaker 3: if you're infertiles, or who don't believe your husband, if
Speaker 3: you speak up against your husband, if you're not submissive,
Speaker 3: all of these things were considered be a mental health problem.
Speaker 6: And so how.
Speaker 3: Many people were they using insulin shock therapy on this
Speaker 3: should have never been getting shock therapy in the first place.
Speaker 4: This is part of their insulin shock therapy when they're
Speaker 4: waking them up.
Speaker 3: And so not only are we doing insulin shock therapy,
Speaker 3: but we're also experimenting with electroconvulsive therapy. So we're shocking
Speaker 3: the shit out of people because we're thinking that that's
Speaker 3: going to make them normal. So if I'm just there
Speaker 3: because I'm on my period, right and you're electrically shocking me.
Speaker 3: What does repeated shocking do to your body? And how
Speaker 3: does that destroy your body? So are they helping people?
Speaker 3: Are they making them worse? And they didn't have to
Speaker 3: consent to do any of this, just like the the
Speaker 3: cold bathtub water for days and you know all of
Speaker 3: the other things. Same kind of stuff was happening in
Speaker 3: the nursing home facilities as well.
Speaker 4: I want to know what spider monkey can crawl up
Speaker 4: to that padded ceiling.
Speaker 3: Well, you never know, and maybe they have really long
Speaker 3: your nails or toenails and they can climb like a cat.
Speaker 3: And Jane's up on the ceiling again, mewing at the
Speaker 3: other residents.
Speaker 4: I would be impressed. I would be like, you go, James,
Speaker 4: don't fall though, I don't want to do that paperwork. No.
Speaker 3: And so along with the electro sheriff shock therapy and
Speaker 3: the insulin therapy, they would also do forced feedings, require
Speaker 3: them to be put in isolation rooms, or they would
Speaker 3: starve them because you know what could go wrong when
Speaker 3: you don't have food or water and take your body
Speaker 3: starts to shut down and you get psychotic.
Speaker 6: So not all all the facilities did this, but.
Speaker 3: Elderly institutions definitely overlapped with psychiatric places, and so they
Speaker 3: would definitely be part of this.
Speaker 4: Can you imagine just being old and your legs don't
Speaker 4: work and your roommate's Google crazy, Jim, You're like, he's
Speaker 4: thirty and he can bench press me. Right? Can I
Speaker 4: have a new roommate please?
Speaker 3: Like, I wonder if you're allowed to put in a
Speaker 3: request to move or if they would be like, you
Speaker 3: know what, Heidi, you're asking too many questions. I'm going
Speaker 3: to put you in isolation in the padded room, the
Speaker 3: padded cat room.
Speaker 4: I'll take it.
Speaker 3: They just need some scratching posts in there and some toys.
Speaker 3: So these facilities and why it was such a problem,
Speaker 3: It was a means of social control, removing the unwanted
Speaker 3: or the quote unquote dependent people out of public view
Speaker 3: because God forbid, we don't want to have to see
Speaker 3: that kind of thing, and taking over or managing basically
Speaker 3: the people who were economically or socially inconvenient. And so
Speaker 3: they were diagnosed, which these are lovely terms, non productive, burdensome,
Speaker 3: and financial liabilities. So if you put that in the
Speaker 3: context of today and today's thinking, we don't have a
Speaker 3: need for nursing homes for much longer, in my personal opinion,
Speaker 3: because we're swiftly moving off of a cliff like Canada
Speaker 3: where we're going to have the maid services, and so
Speaker 3: they're going to have you know, mandatory euthanasia for.
Speaker 4: Ready to go home today, Jim right.
Speaker 3: And by by going home, I mean going going home
Speaker 3: to your maker, Jim going. And so I can I
Speaker 3: can imagine that that is coming, because you know they're
Speaker 3: they're pushing that, and a lot of states are like pushing,
Speaker 3: like California is pushing for that same kind of thing
Speaker 3: where oh, you're depressed, Well, we'll just scale you off.
Speaker 4: I can fix it. I can fix that for you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred and so.
Speaker 3: Every body saw the stories or whatnot during COVID where
Speaker 3: especially when the made thing first, like got a lot
Speaker 3: of national attention where you had to have a leg
Speaker 3: amputated or something. Instead of them making you a prosthetic limb,
Speaker 3: which would cost a lot of money for the fitting
Speaker 3: and the maked and you know, lifelong checkups and refittings
Speaker 3: and all of that kind of stuff, they want to
Speaker 3: euthanize you even though you still have another leg. You
Speaker 3: could still function perfectly fine, you.
Speaker 4: Yeah you can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I can definitely see that these will probably
Speaker 3: go away. So before nursing homes were quote unquote medical facilities,
Speaker 3: they were literally just holding pins for the unwanted, the
Speaker 3: dregs of society, the less than the deplorables.
Speaker 4: In other words, they were poor, right, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 4: it was. Because if you're a rich widow, you ain't
Speaker 4: doing this.
Speaker 6: Shit, right, no, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And so some high profile cases that have come about
Speaker 3: in recent decades with nursing home staff. One of them
Speaker 3: this was actually there was a Netflix documentary about this
Speaker 3: particular person. His name was Charles Cullen, and he had
Speaker 3: managed to administering lethal doses of medications to nearly forty patients,
Speaker 3: most of them elderly, across hospitals and different care facilities.
Speaker 3: And so this particular guy, even though he confessed to forty,
Speaker 3: the investigators on the case thought it was anywhere actually
Speaker 3: from forty to four hundred different people that he had
Speaker 3: killed in these different facilities. So he worked one, two, three, four, five, six,
Speaker 3: seven different facilities in Pennsylvania, New York, or New Jersey.
Speaker 3: And so he would stay there and then when things
Speaker 3: would get sus and he felt like somebody was on
Speaker 3: to him, he would move on to another facility, which
Speaker 3: is what they do.
Speaker 4: He must be a dick because he has a spit
Speaker 4: mask on. So I'm just saying he must be a
Speaker 4: real asshole because they don't do that for nothing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And so because he moved from job to job to
Speaker 3: job all the time, a lot of facilities though when
Speaker 3: they were they would suspect him of doing things and
Speaker 3: they would confront him. They would allow him to quietly
Speaker 3: resign instead of report him to the board or report
Speaker 3: him to this state because they didn't want lawsuits or
Speaker 3: bad publicity at their facilities. So that happened at multiple
Speaker 3: facilities where they would catch one of it and then
Speaker 3: they would administration would brush it under the rug because
Speaker 3: they didn't want to be on the news.
Speaker 6: Again.
Speaker 4: And he was killing people that not that this makes it.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's still killing people, but he was killing
Speaker 4: people that were functional. And you know, if he was
Speaker 4: doing me a favor, Like I'm not trying to be horrible,
Speaker 4: but like if I am suffering in every sense of
Speaker 4: the matter, and he's doing a compassionate thing, that would
Speaker 4: be different. It's not what he was doing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, he was.
Speaker 3: He would inject people with lethal doses of either insulin
Speaker 3: or did joxon and so they would have cardiac issues
Speaker 3: because hello, you don't need jo joxin strongly suggests you
Speaker 3: don't take it, and so it said he would target
Speaker 3: vulnerable patients and so a lot of times elderly people
Speaker 3: because he did not like elderly people whatsoever.
Speaker 4: You have issues or I don't know which.
Speaker 3: Yeah, or people that were critically ill. But he did
Speaker 3: also get people that were fine, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: And so he would also alter the medication records and
Speaker 3: try to be all sneaky that way, which, hello, I'm
Speaker 3: glad we have pixis machines and things like that to
Speaker 3: you know that where they can keep a close eye
Speaker 3: on dispensary stuff, which back in the day was was
Speaker 3: not so much a thing.
Speaker 4: And double checking insolence I think came from this whole thing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: And so he would always take the night shift because
Speaker 3: obviously it's a lot quieter and a lot easier to
Speaker 3: commit murder at night than it is during the day
Speaker 3: because it's.
Speaker 6: Just going to run into family.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they just went to bed, you know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: So he finally got caught because he was at a
Speaker 3: place called Somerset Medical Center, and the pharmacist were the
Speaker 3: ones that actually noticed unusual medication withdrawals. And a co
Speaker 3: worker and this coworker, her name was Amy Lafran and
Speaker 3: her and him were actually best friends. They piled around,
Speaker 3: you know, her kid was around.
Speaker 6: Him all the time.
Speaker 3: They you know, hung out and stuff frequently. But she
Speaker 3: actually is the one that also turned on him and
Speaker 3: reported him to the police.
Speaker 4: I would to quit it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So that was a thing, and so.
Speaker 3: Lots of places, not just the United States, but investigations
Speaker 3: in Ireland revealed that residents were left in soiled clothes,
Speaker 3: crying for help and properly handled so state reviews happened.
Speaker 6: This is a common thing.
Speaker 3: Heidie's got a picture on the screen with like overcrowded
Speaker 3: hallways where they just wheeled them out into the hallway
Speaker 3: and leave them there. And that literally every facility that
Speaker 3: I ever worked at all the home wise, was exactly
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 4: Yep. They go to eat, they lay them down, they
Speaker 4: get them up, they go in.
Speaker 6: The hall yep.
Speaker 3: One and sometimes without food or water all day long
Speaker 3: because those same aids, the two waids for forty patients
Speaker 3: or more. A lot of patients had to be fed
Speaker 3: in the dining room because they had you know, pury
Speaker 3: diets or whatever. And so if you have to feed somebody,
Speaker 3: then you're not taking care of these other people because
Speaker 3: you can't feed those people fast because of the choking hazard.
Speaker 4: And you can't feed four people. Yeah, it's ridiculous, Like, okay,
Speaker 4: we'll say a third have to be you. It's so hard.
Speaker 4: I feel so bad for the right because they really try.
Speaker 4: And then people come in and they're like, you're a dick.
Speaker 4: You didn't take care of my grandma. I'm like, you
Speaker 4: you left your grandma and she's doing the best she can.
Speaker 4: Because the corporate ran facility, it ain't and they don't.
Speaker 3: They don't care about hiring more staff.
Speaker 6: They don't.
Speaker 3: That's not a concern of theirs because they're concerned as
Speaker 3: bottom dollars profit and if they're already quote unquote losing
Speaker 3: money right and barely breaking even, they're not going to
Speaker 3: hire more nurses or more aids at all. You're just
Speaker 3: going to have to deal with it.
Speaker 4: You mean, Jerry didn't get as triple quadruple bonus this month.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, which is exactly what happens, and that happens
Speaker 3: in the hospital systems and all of that kind of
Speaker 3: stuff too. If you're a peon, you don't get anything,
Speaker 3: and you probably will never get a pay raise and
Speaker 3: you'll never get coworkers to help you. But they'll still
Speaker 3: get their big money for being CEOs and CFOs.
Speaker 4: They walk around in suits, they don't do shit. This
Speaker 4: is why I worked the nurse The nurses night shift,
Speaker 4: like where I work now is not like this, but
Speaker 4: always because I couldn't stand it. You'd see them just
Speaker 4: parading around and they're you know, really expensive outfits, like
Speaker 4: do some work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was a hands on person even though I
Speaker 3: was a nursing supervisor. I was very hands on. I
Speaker 3: did patient care, I did like.
Speaker 6: All the things.
Speaker 3: I never sat in an office because I couldn't stand it.
Speaker 3: It made me crazy.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's wild, like I get that they have some
Speaker 4: things they have to do, but like you can help.
Speaker 3: You know, are they really that busy though, I mean,
Speaker 3: in all actuality, probably not.
Speaker 6: So.
Speaker 4: This one was a picture from the Bulgaria thing. You mess.
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say that in Bulgaria, caregivers were
Speaker 3: actually charged because they tied up, beat and drugged residents,
Speaker 3: leaving them an inhumane condition, and the facilities were illegal.
Speaker 4: So sa mirror on the wall of blood that they left,
Speaker 4: Yeah that I'm pretty sure that's old blood.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a no.
Speaker 3: In the United States, we had taxpayer uh fraud issues,
Speaker 3: So investigations found that nursing homes were diverting millions in
Speaker 3: taxpayer funds. Hello again, while residents were suffering with de hydration, malnutrition,
Speaker 3: or severe neglect.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 3: What were these facilities doing with the money? They sure
Speaker 3: shirt weren't taking care of the patients.
Speaker 4: They weren't buying better food. I know that because the
Speaker 4: food is a situation. I know. Look, I know they
Speaker 4: can't have salt and whatever the shit. But look, first
Speaker 4: of all, if I am that old and you put
Speaker 4: me on a low salt that you mother.
Speaker 6: You better, you better give me my salt.
Speaker 4: And if I need a puaid diet, let me choke,
Speaker 4: leave me alone.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: That stuff is really disgusting, by the way.
Speaker 4: So sad, I had a picture of it, and I
Speaker 4: can't find it. Of all the things that that I've
Speaker 4: got on here, that food picture isn't here.
Speaker 6: It's really gross.
Speaker 3: And and that stuff it tastes like chalk. And so
Speaker 3: you know, if they're feeding you chicken noodle or soup
Speaker 3: or something, you put it in a blender and you
Speaker 3: put it with this chalky and you blend it up
Speaker 3: and give it to them and that is yummy.
Speaker 4: There's their meat.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the side of Brussels sprouts.
Speaker 3: That just makes me. I'd rather eat the paste than
Speaker 3: eat the breustles.
Speaker 4: I don't want none of the let me choke. Listen,
Speaker 4: it's better to go out on chocolate than this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. I would much rather choke on chocolate. Besides,
Speaker 3: you know gross. Yeah. So, not only did these problems
Speaker 3: happen because of staffing shortages, but they're also very poorly
Speaker 3: trained because they need help so badly. If they do
Speaker 3: get a new staff, they don't have time to train them.
Speaker 3: They don't have time to let somebody shadow them or whatever.
Speaker 6: They don't have proper care. They don't know how to use.
Speaker 3: The hoist or the lifts or the shower chairs, transfer chairs,
Speaker 3: any of that stuff like, they don't know how to
Speaker 3: do that because nobody has time to show them and
Speaker 3: oversight wise, who is literally going to report you like
Speaker 3: at all, and who's looking into anything?
Speaker 6: Who is who is going.
Speaker 3: To sound the alarm to the government that the facility
Speaker 3: is not being run properly.
Speaker 6: Certainly not the facility. Just seeing.
Speaker 3: So isolation of residents, especially from family members. If they
Speaker 3: can cut you off from their family members, then you
Speaker 3: definitely have a leg up there because then they cannot
Speaker 3: come after you for anything if they cut you off
Speaker 3: from your family, which, like I said, we saw a
Speaker 3: lot of that during COVID, where you can't visit family members,
Speaker 3: you can't see them if they're in a nursing home
Speaker 3: or a facility of any kind, because you know you
Speaker 3: might have you might have more cooties than what the
Speaker 3: nursing home has.
Speaker 4: I had a picture. The other picture I can't find
Speaker 4: and maybe it's here and I'm missing it, but is
Speaker 4: one of people visiting their families in twenty twenty through
Speaker 4: the window. And that just made me sick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, And that should never ever happen
Speaker 3: because that should be part of your care plan in
Speaker 3: any facility for any reason.
Speaker 4: Is there were so many people that were willing to
Speaker 4: sign Oh here it is JK. There were so many
Speaker 4: people that were willing to sign that if I die,
Speaker 4: I die, you know.
Speaker 6: And so do you want to share your thing again?
Speaker 4: Oh? Is it not?
Speaker 6: Nope? You again?
Speaker 3: What's the matter, Jim? You don't like us talking about this?
Speaker 3: Oh boy, your face is frozen again.
Speaker 6: Believe it or not.
Speaker 3: We eventually will get through this episode, even though Heidi
Speaker 3: Kip's getting booted or removed from the stream.
Speaker 6: There you are, Oh now he is gone again. This
Speaker 6: is craziness.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, Oh Jim, Jim, We're gonna put you in
Speaker 3: a nursing home and use restraints.
Speaker 4: Jim. So there's that. But I have to say that
Speaker 4: because somebody will say she's threaten to kill him, right,
Speaker 4: knock it off? You know who you are?
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks definitely, because we needed that extra help.
Speaker 4: Because this is just the medical system and why are
Speaker 4: you so afraid? Right?
Speaker 3: And they don't censor nonsense, and so obviously we're over
Speaker 3: the target on all of our research for this show,
Speaker 3: or they wouldn't be having a problem with us.
Speaker 4: So my last episode I dropped this morning. I'm dare
Speaker 4: saying that's why that's being naughty, because they tried to
Speaker 4: kill that epidisode so hard. That we did multiple links well,
Speaker 4: other like zoom to this one to that one other
Speaker 4: one's stream yard. It didn't matter. They wouldn't let me
Speaker 4: record that episode.
Speaker 6: Well, so you must be on their list today.
Speaker 4: Oh, I'm definitely not every day.
Speaker 3: What's new? What's new, Jim?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys are idiots. There's nothing better to do
Speaker 4: than spy on me. And I'm super boring. Didn't get
Speaker 4: through the dishes in a minute after we're doing Why
Speaker 4: you got.
Speaker 6: To watch that? Sometimes you can be doing dishes in
Speaker 6: an appropriate manner.
Speaker 4: Yeah, regular mom, mom staff laundry. Okay.
Speaker 3: So not only did they do the Nursing Home Report
Speaker 3: Act in nineteen eighty seven, just providing basic standards that
Speaker 3: they're supposed to abide by, but they also passed in
Speaker 3: twenty ten the Elder Justice Act that choirs reporting of abuse,
Speaker 3: background checks and safeguards aimed at preventing neglect.
Speaker 6: Ever, I'm just gonna say it's something. Background checks cost.
Speaker 3: And if you think that every facility does background checks
Speaker 3: on their employees, you are sadly mistaken, because.
Speaker 4: In utahotic about they upload our fingerprints.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a lot of states now, nurses, definitely you
Speaker 3: have to do a background check, and it's like an
Speaker 3: FBI background check that they do on you. But as
Speaker 3: far as nursing homes and a lot of states, they
Speaker 3: don't abide by this because there have been uh cases
Speaker 3: of violent abusers. Oh wow, uh, especially like I said earlier,
Speaker 3: the videos on TikTok and stuff that we saw especially
Speaker 3: during COVID, where people were getting beaten to death basically
Speaker 3: by workers and nursing homes and they had criminal records.
Speaker 4: I want to tell people a story too. After you're
Speaker 4: done with this. Oh, go ahead, So I want to
Speaker 4: tell you, guys, the worst thing I ever heard and
Speaker 4: I didn't see it. I just heard about it, and
Speaker 4: it was It's something to think about when you're making
Speaker 4: these types of decisions, Okay, when you're making the decision
Speaker 4: where your loved one is going to be right and
Speaker 4: if they're not of sound mind, especially okay, because they
Speaker 4: can't tell you, Oh that night, nurse, you know she's
Speaker 4: hit right, aunt? Whatever? Yeah, a stroke patient, same thing.
Speaker 4: So multiple patients in this one nursing home that I
Speaker 4: worked at, like twenty ten. Maybe they went to go
Speaker 4: for this operation and I said, oh, is she prolapsing
Speaker 4: her bladder? Or what's going on? And the girl, the
Speaker 4: daughter of the woman, said no, I'm having her devaulted.
Speaker 4: And I didn't know what that meant, okay, And I said,
Speaker 4: what do you mean? And I was a younger nurse,
Speaker 4: like I'd only been nurse maybe like ten years then,
Speaker 4: and I said what does that mean? And she said, oh,
Speaker 4: we're removing everything of her insights and sewing her vagina shut.
Speaker 4: And I said, what that's a thing, Like why you know,
Speaker 4: because I couldn't. I'm like naive apparently, uh. And she said,
Speaker 4: because then she can't be raped. So there's that and
Speaker 4: probably kicked out again.
Speaker 3: That is terrifying. But I also thought, uh, some patience
Speaker 3: and older care facilities are a little promiscuous. And I
Speaker 3: have had a lot of patients and facilities like that
Speaker 3: that have had like syphilists, uh and and stuff like
Speaker 3: that that you know, because they used to work in
Speaker 3: the red light district in our city and so, uh,
Speaker 3: they were old timey hookers and they were.
Speaker 4: Older you know. You know what. That makes me laugh
Speaker 4: because my son works as a CNA now and he said,
Speaker 4: there's no boys there, mom, And these women, these old
Speaker 4: ladies that are kind of oh you know, they memory
Speaker 4: care patients. Yeah, they're trying to get him.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah there, and they get they get very feisty.
Speaker 3: And the population uh in facilities nowadays is mostly women
Speaker 3: because for the most part, women outlive men. And so
Speaker 3: you got a bunch of horny, feisty old ladies because
Speaker 3: your your hormones peek and trough at certain times in
Speaker 3: your life. And the elderly patients it is peaked, believe
Speaker 3: it or not, and so they are a hortier than
Speaker 3: a house on fire.
Speaker 4: It's pretty funny because we used to have couples that
Speaker 4: would have their own rooms, like and I was young,
Speaker 4: and I was even a nurse, and they always told me,
Speaker 4: make sure you not before you know and you mean too,
Speaker 4: you mean too for privacy. The things I seen that
Speaker 4: day I cannot unsee. And you came.
Speaker 6: Home all the way taking notes, going we should try this.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. I was barely nicety something right. I
Speaker 4: was like maybe I was twenty because I had had
Speaker 4: a baby by then. And I came home and cried
Speaker 4: and cried and I said, honey, you love me when
Speaker 4: everything is on the ground, you know all the things,
Speaker 4: And he said, of course, And I said well, you
Speaker 4: know what, I have to love you that way too,
Speaker 4: because I saw something swinging clear down to somebody's knees today.
Speaker 4: That was scary.
Speaker 6: Guess new meetings.
Speaker 4: Work your cream master muscle is a good advice if
Speaker 4: you're a dude.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe he was the original guy that did like
Speaker 3: the helicopter thing.
Speaker 4: Oh he was like ninety two. They were getting it down.
Speaker 4: They and I came out all shook, and the girl goes,
Speaker 4: I told you to knock. I said, I thought you
Speaker 4: meant for privacy and I didn't. I'm sorry, I meant
Speaker 4: to and she said no, they do this all day,
Speaker 4: and I was like shit. I was like, oh my.
Speaker 6: Gil, there's no boredom in their room.
Speaker 4: Nope, you didn't go in there without knocking six times
Speaker 4: a day. They were busy, just saying, oh, Will and
Speaker 4: mar you know what, that's great, they're married whatever. I
Speaker 4: hope that's mere.
Speaker 3: More powerfil I hope that when we get that age
Speaker 3: that we're also.
Speaker 4: Just not six times a day. That's insane.
Speaker 6: But yeah, oh.
Speaker 4: Boy, the things you see nursing is fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that is I mean, we could write novels
Speaker 3: about like all of novels about things that We have
Speaker 3: seen so many so on the over or understaffing issue
Speaker 3: in terms of and this kind of shed some light
Speaker 3: on why this is such a problem. But more than
Speaker 3: ninety percent of all US nursing homes are severely understaffed.
Speaker 3: Now that is frightening that you only have about ten percent.
Speaker 6: And they're the rich peoples they have okay staff.
Speaker 3: And everybody else we're sorry. So I don't know, but
Speaker 3: that's terrible. But because of the understaffing problems. Definitely have
Speaker 3: a severe weight loss problem due to insufficient feeding because
Speaker 3: like I said, a lot of them need buried food
Speaker 3: and whatever, and you can't humanly feed forty people at
Speaker 3: the time, so.
Speaker 6: It takes it's open.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I found this one really, this one bothered me.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: They all do the same thing, and there's little kids
Speaker 4: with grown ups. But if you notice they pull into
Speaker 4: themselves and this happens and they stay this way, they
Speaker 4: get contracted.
Speaker 3: One hundred and so along those lines, they also get
Speaker 3: a lot of bed sores because they leave them in
Speaker 3: their bed or in a wheelchair all day long.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 3: If you're supposed to go in and turn a patient,
Speaker 3: you know, every every hour, every two hours, that doesn't happen.
Speaker 3: You know, it doesn't happen, and so your your skin
Speaker 3: breaks down and you get awful bed sores that can
Speaker 3: literally tunnel all the way down to the bone. And
Speaker 3: the smell, Yeah, I have seen that and it is terrible.
Speaker 3: And so when they have those infections like that, those ulcers,
Speaker 3: those bed sores, that can lead to a blood infection,
Speaker 3: so they can get sepsis just because they're not turning
Speaker 3: them properly, or a lot of times it's on people's heels.
Speaker 3: They're supposed to put heel cups on them that are
Speaker 3: made of like lambskin or whatever so that you don't
Speaker 3: feel or not lambskin, lamb's wool, so that you don't
Speaker 3: you know, that's not completely rubbing on the sheets all
Speaker 3: the time and stuff.
Speaker 6: So I've seen some on the butt.
Speaker 4: And the toxics those are the worst ones.
Speaker 6: They're they're awful and they do smell like the worst.
Speaker 4: Running forget it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that you can't get out of your nose and
Speaker 3: it's literally stuck in your nose for for days time
Speaker 3: and all eternity.
Speaker 4: That's a Mormon word.
Speaker 3: So yeah, h and it's it's like disturbing, it's like
Speaker 3: smelling sea diff and that just like.
Speaker 6: With you with sea diff as a.
Speaker 4: Sea diff g I bleed and bed sores.
Speaker 6: So also they're going to have really bad hygiene because
Speaker 6: they can't shower themselves. They're dependent on someone to shower them.
Speaker 3: How do you shower, toilet and dress forty people within
Speaker 3: an hour or two.
Speaker 4: And clean up their room and get them ice.
Speaker 3: And dressing their wounds not possible, and so that's a
Speaker 3: huge problem for them as well. And then rather than
Speaker 3: hear them screaming, because some of them, if they will
Speaker 3: them in the hall, they will literally scream all day long.
Speaker 6: Non stop.
Speaker 3: That's when they like drug them and sedatum so that
Speaker 3: they don't have to listen to them making any noise.
Speaker 4: Which is even more sad because that's the people that
Speaker 4: actually still try, but the ones that don't try it
Speaker 4: all that gets me so.
Speaker 3: Rightad Like, So there is a new trend and uh,
Speaker 3: this is kind of yeah, this is kind of interesting
Speaker 3: to me. So they're they're moving away from nursing home
Speaker 3: facilities per se. And they've come up with a new
Speaker 3: idea called the greenhouse project. That's an interesting name, but
Speaker 3: it is a redesign of nursing homes meant to eliminate
Speaker 3: institutional hospital like feeling for and they're swapping out like
Speaker 3: these big giant care facilities to small home based living
Speaker 3: centers where patients are supposed to have more dignity and
Speaker 3: more autonomy and more one on one basically relationship given care.
Speaker 3: So instead of facilities that house you know, hundreds of
Speaker 3: residents at a time, these new greenhouse facilities are ten
Speaker 3: to twelve people in a well.
Speaker 4: Oh cute. But I also like, there was this old
Speaker 4: picture and I guess I didn't download, but there was
Speaker 4: like these little cottages, like like really old fashioned apartments,
Speaker 4: and I guess they used to do that like back
Speaker 4: in the day when they were turning the mansions or
Speaker 4: whatever into like homes, and oh maybe this is it.
Speaker 4: Look look how cute this is. And I'm like, this
Speaker 4: is amazing, Like these this is like a nursing and
Speaker 4: they help a tiny garden. But but my favorite idea
Speaker 4: is this, y'all, and listen people that have money, because
Speaker 4: I don't. These malls, yeah that are going out and
Speaker 4: they have like tons of floors of like amazingness. I
Speaker 4: saw this thing where somebody said turn all the old
Speaker 4: malls into nursing homes because people used to love to
Speaker 4: go to the malls and just set up fake shops
Speaker 4: and just let them go walk in their power walk
Speaker 4: and do all their stuff. And of course you have
Speaker 4: one wing of like sick people, but a lot of
Speaker 4: them aren't sick. They're just kind of crazy. Let crazy
Speaker 4: Joe go hide in the shopping center firm. I mean,
Speaker 4: who put on a lot put an apple tag on him,
Speaker 4: It'll be fine. Come well.
Speaker 3: And a lot of them elderly patients like mall walking anyway.
Speaker 3: So and that's that's actually a really good idea. Now
Speaker 3: I'm going to say, even what these little greenhouse things, Okay,
Speaker 3: they're supposed to be ten to twelve people in a facility.
Speaker 3: We had facilities like these, and the state that I
Speaker 3: came from not a nursing home facility, but for people
Speaker 3: that were like developmentally disabled. They are still like ungodly
Speaker 3: understaffed and you know, poor training or abusive or whatever.
Speaker 3: So I can still see this being a problem.
Speaker 4: It's so crappy.
Speaker 3: It was like to the guy that thought of this
Speaker 3: has name was William H. Thomas and advocated for this
Speaker 3: for a long time.
Speaker 6: And so you know great workers.
Speaker 3: In these places, they're called universal workers and in his model,
Speaker 3: in these greenhouse models or schabasms.
Speaker 6: That's what they call them.
Speaker 3: So they're cross trained to do everything. And so not
Speaker 3: only do they cook the meals, they provide personal care,
Speaker 3: They clean, and they build and forge relationships with patients.
Speaker 3: If I worked home healthcare, and that's literally what a
Speaker 3: home health aid does. Uh, you know, they have to
Speaker 3: do all the things they can do, the laundry and
Speaker 3: all the stuff. It's basically like being a mom.
Speaker 4: Right, some of them have Okay, so we're in this
Speaker 4: new era of patients have rights. Right. My favorite one
Speaker 4: is my daughter worked in one of these homes for
Speaker 4: people with TBIs and she's like, there's this one patient.
Speaker 4: You can't tell them they can't do things right, Like,
Speaker 4: they can do things within their parameters. And so one
Speaker 4: of his parameters was like he can go for a
Speaker 4: walk or he can whatever because he's not completely gone. Well,
Speaker 4: he'll go for a walk and get a hooker a lot.
Speaker 6: Again, And she couldn't sign into.
Speaker 4: The facility because that was illegal, but like they could
Speaker 4: go for a walk and she's like, Mom, I'm like,
Speaker 4: oh my gosh, yeah, I don't know. I said, well,
Speaker 4: the only thing that I would do. She goes, what
Speaker 4: would you do if you were the owner in this position?
Speaker 4: And I said, run an STD panel every month.
Speaker 6: I don't know what else to say, because they still.
Speaker 3: Have some kind of bodily autonomy, right, And if you're
Speaker 3: if you're in a facility, your family sticks you in
Speaker 3: a facility, you're lonely.
Speaker 6: That's why.
Speaker 3: There are STD rates that elevate in you know, elderly
Speaker 3: communities or living assistant living facilities or whatever. Because it's
Speaker 3: human nature to need human contact and skin to skin interaction,
Speaker 3: and so it's normal that people want to do that.
Speaker 3: And so what they've been in like a sexual being
Speaker 3: their whole life, and now all of a sudden, because
Speaker 3: they're older, you're going to be like, that's gross, you
Speaker 3: can't do that anymore.
Speaker 4: And they didn't use protection as much back in the day,
Speaker 4: so I don't think it dawns on them.
Speaker 3: You know, it's the high rate of syphilis.
Speaker 4: What are you gonna do?
Speaker 6: I'm just saying, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And so these places that don't believe in the chemical
Speaker 3: restraints or physical restraints or anything like that, they don't
Speaker 3: have you know, they don't make them get up at
Speaker 3: like five o'clock every morning and feeding at eight or
Speaker 3: anything like that. It's very like a laid back kind
Speaker 3: of concept, which I kind of like. But like I said,
Speaker 3: is it really going to be any different in one
Speaker 3: of these facilities than it is in any other facility?
Speaker 4: Are you seeing? Are you seeing the pictures or is
Speaker 4: it delayed?
Speaker 6: Sorry, well now I see the picture. Okay, got up there.
Speaker 4: That's so weird. Okay.
Speaker 3: So these are supposed to be beneficial facilities because with
Speaker 3: the autonomy and keeping their dignity and all of that stuff.
Speaker 3: Statistically speaking, they're saying that they have fewer hospitalizations, so
Speaker 3: lower hospitalization rate, fewer bedsores, pressure ulcers, redo us, the
Speaker 3: use of any antipsychotic medications, families are happier, and they
Speaker 3: have better staff retention.
Speaker 4: But the only thing is is they do get paid
Speaker 4: for services, so like ot PT. So what they would
Speaker 4: do at this unnamed place that my daughter doesn't work
Speaker 4: out anymore where she loved the people and her boss
Speaker 4: was creep by the way, a freaking creep that tried
Speaker 4: to hit on her. Anyway, long story short is they
Speaker 4: forced these residents to go to the gym, they like have.
Speaker 6: Wreck time.
Speaker 3: Oh I lost you again. If you can hear me,
Speaker 3: you're frozen. Oh oh, Jim, please stop it. And so
Speaker 3: these places also report lower infection sorry that oh now
Speaker 3: she's going again, lower infections and lower mortality rates at
Speaker 3: these greenhouses. So if that is a if that's a thing,
Speaker 3: then good for them, you know, I hope they're I
Speaker 3: hope that that stays that way.
Speaker 4: But I don't Maybe this guy has family or something
Speaker 4: that maybe I was telling my story. Uh, they forced
Speaker 4: them sometimes to go to the gym when they don't
Speaker 4: want to go, So that's what I was saying.
Speaker 6: They get for recreation time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there I shared again. I don't know, it's being crazy,
Speaker 4: but it's kind.
Speaker 3: Of like like a lot of facilities, they have a
Speaker 3: like activities director whatnot, and so they'll have uh, you know,
Speaker 3: like scrabble game time or craft making or whatever, which
Speaker 3: is great for people like in a.
Speaker 6: Retirement community or or whatnot.
Speaker 3: But those things were created two for staff to wheel
Speaker 3: these patients down and stick them in a room for
Speaker 3: craft time or whatever it is, so that the other staff,
Speaker 3: the CNAs or aids of whatever kind, or nurses could
Speaker 3: actually have a breather or have a break, have a
Speaker 3: moment to themselves, and.
Speaker 4: So can you see these? Okay now, Jesus.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's kind of crazy.
Speaker 4: Let's be a nuns today.
Speaker 3: So right now in the United States, there are about
Speaker 3: three hundred and eighty two of these greenhouse homes in
Speaker 3: eighty one or thirty three different states and eighty one
Speaker 3: different campuses. So I guess these eighty one campuses must
Speaker 3: have multiple of these greenhouses. Kind of like the picture
Speaker 3: that you showed where it kind of looks like a
Speaker 3: little subdivision or whatever.
Speaker 4: These look like little tunnels maybe for food. Maybe these
Speaker 4: are like more independent people than these are.
Speaker 3: So only three hundred and eighty two of these in
Speaker 3: the United States, and these are supposed to be like
Speaker 3: the exception of care or exceptional care. So that's to
Speaker 3: me not very good numbers because.
Speaker 4: You know, I bet they're more I mean, I don't
Speaker 4: know how much they would be, but I'm sure they're
Speaker 4: more money.
Speaker 6: Oh I'm sure. And so I don't know, but the.
Speaker 3: Like I said, if if, if they do and their
Speaker 3: staff are happy, which you would have to pay your
Speaker 3: staff very well to not only be an aid but
Speaker 3: a cook and a cleaner.
Speaker 6: And all the things.
Speaker 4: Right, that's a lot.
Speaker 3: You would have to compensate them very well for them
Speaker 3: to retain staff and to have a happy staff, because
Speaker 3: if not, you're gonna wind up with staff that you
Speaker 3: get in a lot of nursing homes that should never
Speaker 3: ever be around to elderly people ever, right though, So
Speaker 3: this is disgusting, But talking about the abuse and thing,
Speaker 3: I actually saw some first hand accounts of residents who
Speaker 3: not only were like set out in the sun during
Speaker 3: heat waves and they would make them stay out there,
Speaker 3: but they would put them on shower schedules where they
Speaker 3: would only be able to bathe once a week.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. That's pretty typical, well, any times a week in.
Speaker 3: A facility like that where you literally walk in the
Speaker 3: door and it smells like pee and poop, I was
Speaker 3: gonna say every facility I have ever been in, it's
Speaker 3: like an overwhelming smell as soon as you walk in
Speaker 3: the door. That's literally what it smells like. The people
Speaker 3: sitting in the hallway with dirty diapers and.
Speaker 6: Stuff like that.
Speaker 3: If they put them in a diaper or uh they
Speaker 3: put the chuck's pads on the bed and let.
Speaker 6: Them you know, pee your poop on those and then
Speaker 6: they leave.
Speaker 3: Them laying in that. So that's why the facility smell
Speaker 3: so really badly.
Speaker 4: But and then they have one fancy room when you
Speaker 4: come in, I minus this whatever on the side. But
Speaker 4: I just thought this was a funny rendition of it,
Speaker 4: because they always have this grand and then it's so.
Speaker 3: Bad they have one of those fancy rooms for people.
Speaker 3: And that way, like, if they have somebody that wants
Speaker 3: to come and tour the facility, they'll take them in
Speaker 3: there and they'll try to keep them in there as
Speaker 3: long as possible in that room and away from the chaos.
Speaker 4: Wait, they don't put like the crazy screaming help right
Speaker 4: lady by them.
Speaker 3: So nursing homes are another place where the government ran
Speaker 3: some experimentation, and this is documented by the FDA, And
Speaker 3: so this didn't happen in all of them, but select
Speaker 3: nursing homes. Wink wink, And I'm sure there's more than
Speaker 3: what's listed, But internal FDA documents reveal that experimental drugs
Speaker 3: were sometimes slipped either into patients' food after refusal, or
Speaker 3: administered to disoriented or cognitively impaired patients who could not consent.
Speaker 3: And so again nursing homes were testing ground for the
Speaker 3: FDA to try to get approval on this that or
Speaker 3: the other. And sometimes according to these FDA papers, they
Speaker 3: would not even stay in their study parameters, which that
Speaker 3: happens all the time when they're doing trials, but they
Speaker 3: would have like an age limitation that it had to
Speaker 3: be nobody over like say eighty years old or something
Speaker 3: like that, and in their own documentation it would show
Speaker 3: that they completely skirted that and they would experiment on
Speaker 3: people that were even as old as like ninety eight
Speaker 3: years old, so nullifying basically their own study. But they
Speaker 3: did it anyway, and then those drugs got approved.
Speaker 6: Just like everything else does exactly.
Speaker 3: So like Heidie's talked about before, these kind of things
Speaker 3: are common where they experiment on population. And just like
Speaker 3: the Tuskegee Airban syphilis study that they did, even though
Speaker 3: it wasn't in a nursing home, but they they created
Speaker 3: all through history like the culture of where it's okay
Speaker 3: for our government or drug manufacturers to experiment on vulnerable populations,
Speaker 3: and they're definitely.
Speaker 6: A vulnerable.
Speaker 4: These are real pictures, you goys.
Speaker 6: They can't consent. This is the Tuskegee thing.
Speaker 4: Wasn't it, yep, just to see what would happen, so
Speaker 4: you know, the white guys could stop having their faces
Speaker 4: fall off, apparently.
Speaker 6: Right, And so.
Speaker 3: Ethical questions arise, and they have interviewed a lot of
Speaker 3: people that were caregivers and nursing homes, and they get
Speaker 3: to the point where they rationalize any kind of neglect
Speaker 3: or abuse and say that it's just an unavoidable part
Speaker 3: of the job because of you know, time and pressure, constraints, resources,
Speaker 3: lack of resources, and so they don't even see it
Speaker 3: as like unacceptable behavior. They see it as it's just
Speaker 3: part of work.
Speaker 6: And so that's what we do.
Speaker 3: We just neglect and abuse people all day long because
Speaker 3: the system created that basically have any other choice as
Speaker 3: we can get away with doing that.
Speaker 6: And so yeah, and so not only are they having.
Speaker 3: Problems with staffers in that aspect where that's come to
Speaker 3: be normalized that are okay that they do these kind
Speaker 3: of things, But we saw like during the COVID thing,
Speaker 3: where the government and facilities kind of like in cahoots
Speaker 3: where they're cut off all visitation.
Speaker 6: And stuff. And this is not new.
Speaker 3: This has happened throughout history where they cut off visitation
Speaker 3: or you can only come during certain hours the hospital
Speaker 3: does the same thing, and then what do you do
Speaker 3: with the other hours in the day, and how many
Speaker 3: bad things happened during that? And like I said, the
Speaker 3: law that was passed in twenty ten where they're mandated
Speaker 3: to report abuse and neglect, that's like telling the government
Speaker 3: that the government has to report on the government for
Speaker 3: doing because.
Speaker 6: They're making on the people.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're making all the ratios through the states, they're
Speaker 4: making all these laws and then what do you do
Speaker 4: with that? Right?
Speaker 3: And so it's great that they're passing all this legislation
Speaker 3: and whatever. Actually there hasn't been that much legislation, but
Speaker 3: like four or five different piece of legislation since the
Speaker 3: early eighteen hundreds. But why are the facilities still operating
Speaker 3: like they did back in the day. It's because there
Speaker 3: is no enforcement branch to be like, you know what,
Speaker 3: and who's going to tell on themselves? And if the
Speaker 3: facility is having a lot of widespread abuse and neglect,
Speaker 3: are somebody inside the facility going to blow the whistle
Speaker 3: on that to the government where the government will come
Speaker 3: in and either cut fending or shut them down.
Speaker 4: No, not likely, not until there's a bunch of problems not.
Speaker 6: Going to happen. And so because of that, enforcement is
Speaker 6: very lax.
Speaker 3: It's very weak and spotty in most places. And so
Speaker 3: even since COVID, and this is interesting, serious deficiencies in
Speaker 3: nursing homes have risen sharply since COVID, So things are
Speaker 3: actually documented by the government that they're getting worse. But
Speaker 3: again there's no oversight and no regulation. So who's going
Speaker 3: to do anything, even though in their own reports they're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, it's like awful now, a sharp spike
Speaker 3: and abuse and neglect cases and blah blah blah, but.
Speaker 4: We can't do anything and they'll get away with it because.
Speaker 3: You know, and it'll be like like the other facilities
Speaker 3: that we talked about, what's it going to be like
Speaker 3: the mental health asylums or whatever, like another twenty thirty
Speaker 3: years before anybody shuts them down, probably whatever. And so sometimes,
Speaker 3: and not very often, but prosecutors have brought charges against
Speaker 3: facilities under False Claims Acts instead of abuse or neglect
Speaker 3: or whatever, because those are harder to prove.
Speaker 6: You got to prove intent and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: So they charge them under the False Claims Act because
Speaker 3: they're actually charging Medicare and Medicaid for services and things
Speaker 3: that were never performed. The hospitals do the same kind of.
Speaker 4: Like churning them every two hours.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're billing for things that aren't documented or whatever.
Speaker 3: And so, like I said, it's easier for them to
Speaker 3: go after a facility under the False Claims Act because
Speaker 3: that involves money instead of going after abuse and neglect
Speaker 3: because they would actually have to prove that. So you
Speaker 3: go where the money lays, right. We wouldn't want to
Speaker 3: protect anybody, just like we don't protect kids either, but
Speaker 3: we're all up. We're about protecting the finances or the financiers.
Speaker 3: And so the problems continue to persist because of the
Speaker 3: profit incentives, not care outcomes. They don't care about that.
Speaker 3: So chronic understaffing and low rate wages is still going
Speaker 3: to be a problem because like I said, it's money
Speaker 3: over people.
Speaker 6: So they don't care if they're abused.
Speaker 3: And neglected as long as bottom dollar they're still breaking
Speaker 3: and funding and money. And there are not really good
Speaker 3: whistleblower protections in effect, and that goes for hospitals and
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff, or even government as we've
Speaker 3: seen so even though they're not supposed to retaliate against whistleblowers,
Speaker 3: it literally happens.
Speaker 6: All the time. You can lose whatever.
Speaker 3: And since they can track every phone call, every email,
Speaker 3: IP address, all of that, Now you're not anonymous.
Speaker 6: I don't care if you think anonymous, you're not. Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: And of course things are going to stay status quo
Speaker 3: with these facilities because there is no incentive for anyone
Speaker 3: to report. And if you report, kind of like if
Speaker 3: you use the VAR system to report a vaccine injury.
Speaker 6: What's going to come of that? Nothing?
Speaker 3: Are they going to pull that vaccine off of the shelf. No,
Speaker 3: they're not, absolutely not. So anyways, if in effective. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so the illegal drug studies that they did are unethically,
Speaker 3: they should say drug studies that they did were from
Speaker 3: this nineteen seventy all the way through the eighties. So
Speaker 3: that's a really long time that they were experimenting and
Speaker 3: the government knew it and they're documenting all this stuff
Speaker 3: going oh that USh. Yeah, Look, we were mixing the
Speaker 3: mixing these drugs that we didn't get consent for into
Speaker 3: their ice cream and their you know bedtimes thing they eat, right,
Speaker 3: and so you know that happened for a really long time,
Speaker 3: and then they were like, Okay, well, I guess actor,
Speaker 3: you know, almost twenty years of studies, I guess we're done.
Speaker 6: Here, and they would move another place. So, going back.
Speaker 3: To the famous cases and people that were at nursing homes,
Speaker 3: you had some murderers and so Amy Archer Gilligan was
Speaker 3: a poisoner and owner of a nursing home and so
Speaker 3: she ran a home in Connecticut in the early nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 3: and she would poison residents, including her own husband, to
Speaker 3: collect their life insurance policies. But there was a little
Speaker 3: fraud going on there, I'd say, And so she had
Speaker 3: at least five confirmed victims, but authorities actually estimated dozens more.
Speaker 3: There's also a special that I watched about her as well.
Speaker 3: Another guy called Frederick Moore's and he was a nursing
Speaker 3: home serial killer. We could have covered him on a
Speaker 3: serial killer episode. So nineteen fourteen to nineteen fifteen, he
Speaker 3: was a nursing home employee and he deliberately poisoned at
Speaker 3: least eight elderly residents. Freely admitted to the killings and
Speaker 3: was later arrested and committed to the asylum. So I
Speaker 3: guess that didn't work out well for him because he
Speaker 3: went to the asylum and then he never got out.
Speaker 6: So so dude, and.
Speaker 4: Did it scientifically too? Yeah, I like that one hundred
Speaker 4: percentes this heading and he did it scientifically.
Speaker 6: I'm like, killed eight in home.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what why are you bragging about that? That's weird.
Speaker 6: Oh he went to Bellevue. Oh good First, a bad day,
Speaker 6: bad day, bad day for you.
Speaker 3: Dude. You're gotta have a life in the crazy house.
Speaker 3: And with the torture and all the things, was it
Speaker 3: worth it?
Speaker 4: Not?
Speaker 6: Gonna know? Not, Just want to know? Okay.
Speaker 3: So the the Bulgaria case, this happened to twenty twenty
Speaker 3: five as well. It was called the House of Horrors,
Speaker 3: and so this is where they tied, drugged and locked
Speaker 3: residents and homes. These were in two illegal facilities and
Speaker 3: a village called Yagoda, and they were tied up, sedated
Speaker 3: or drug held for years without contact with the outside
Speaker 3: world and an extre unsanitary, degrading conditions. And several staff
Speaker 3: were actually arrested on charges inclusing unlawful imprisonment. So they
Speaker 3: were kidnapping people and holding them against their.
Speaker 6: Will, also for violence and neglect and so, uh, that
Speaker 6: was last year. That was still going on.
Speaker 3: So the other ones, the earlier ones were shut down,
Speaker 3: and these were they're like, my bad, let's do it
Speaker 3: again the.
Speaker 4: Government, let's replace it.
Speaker 6: So good for them, I guess. And so there were
Speaker 6: some other doozies throughout history. I got, I did. Okay,
Speaker 6: here we go.
Speaker 3: Anthony Joyner in nineteen eighty three in Pennsylvania. Although a
Speaker 3: little tad less famous, this caregiver raped and murdered at
Speaker 3: least six elderly women at a nursing home and was
Speaker 3: suspected in up to eighteen deaths of elderly residents.
Speaker 6: So isn't that nice of him?
Speaker 4: Gross?
Speaker 6: He gave him a boinkin and a poinkin.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm pretty bad. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And so the next one, this.
Speaker 4: Guy, I have to say, I think this is Alistair
Speaker 4: Crowley's son.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna say this hits home because this is
Speaker 3: my home state of Indiana, and I was there when
Speaker 3: this was going on.
Speaker 4: He lost just like Alister Crowley.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's very creepy and he's anytime I saw him,
Speaker 3: like on the news or whatever. Still like it gives
Speaker 3: me the willies and the hair on the back of
Speaker 3: my neck. Stands up, zeb push.
Speaker 4: Your brother is here.
Speaker 3: So this guy's name is Orville Lynn Majors. And so
Speaker 3: for two years, from nineteen ninety three to nineteen ninety
Speaker 3: five in Indiana, he was an lpn SO, a licensed
Speaker 3: practical nurse, and he was convicted convicted of killing six patients,
Speaker 3: but it is estimated that he killed one hundred to
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty, but they didn't have enough proof
Speaker 3: to bring charges on those cases, only the six.
Speaker 6: Huge deal.
Speaker 3: It was all over the news, and he told people, well,
Speaker 3: they let me back up a second. So they brought
Speaker 3: six charges against him. They actually focused on seven cases,
Speaker 3: but they couldn't prove the seventh one and that's why,
Speaker 3: like he was let off as well as the other
Speaker 3: one hundred to one hundred and thirty cases. But people
Speaker 3: that worked with him said that he would constantly tell
Speaker 3: them about his hatred for older people. He couldn't stand
Speaker 3: older people.
Speaker 4: What is wrong with you people? The old people are
Speaker 4: so sweet.
Speaker 3: So he would tell people that, and he would say
Speaker 3: that we should guess all elderly people. So he would
Speaker 3: be a perfect employee for the maid service, right because
Speaker 3: he doesn't like older people, and so he could just
Speaker 3: go around and euthanize anybody that's older.
Speaker 4: Yikes, crawly face.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's a very creepy guy. He's always been
Speaker 3: a very creepy guy. And so anyway, that's that's the
Speaker 3: most famous documented cases that I could actually find. I'm
Speaker 3: sure there's plenty more, but they were the most interesting ones.
Speaker 6: And so.
Speaker 3: With the with all of the the bead staffing, the
Speaker 3: you know, the murders, the conditions, the literally no enforcement,
Speaker 3: all of that stuff, do you think any of this
Speaker 3: is ever going to get better? And if if we're
Speaker 3: going to make it better, how do we make it better?
Speaker 4: I don't think that there's any possible way that we
Speaker 4: can change things without love. Now does that mean people
Speaker 4: that don't have a family don't get good care? I
Speaker 4: don't think they'll have as good of care as people
Speaker 4: that have family.
Speaker 6: They love them like it's just a fact.
Speaker 4: And if you're willing to pay a whole bunch of
Speaker 4: money to somebody else, you know, why not keep that
Speaker 4: money and hire somebody or I'm not saying you have
Speaker 4: to live with the person. And memory care units are
Speaker 4: a different situation because we're talking about people that are
Speaker 4: going to hurt themselves if they're left, you know, on
Speaker 4: supervis And there are some better ones, like my son
Speaker 4: told me about the one he's working at now. It's
Speaker 4: like an assisted living though and the memory care is
Speaker 4: a lockdown of course, but he said, you know what
Speaker 4: they did for Valentine's Day, mom, is they had people
Speaker 4: dress up like their loved ones from the past and
Speaker 4: read them letters on the video and played the video
Speaker 4: so it wouldn't upset them in real life, you know.
Speaker 4: And I guess they give them babies and they're like
Speaker 4: baby dolls and dog fake dogs, and like they try.
Speaker 4: They really he said, they're really cute there, and I
Speaker 4: thought that was really sweet. I mean, there are things
Speaker 4: that I understand, like if somebody's in a coma and
Speaker 4: they're not way up and you pulled the plug and
Speaker 4: they're not gonna die, and what do you do with that?
Speaker 4: Like I know, like I get it. There are some
Speaker 4: instances or maybe you don't have the ability, like you
Speaker 4: don't know how to or the patients.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, and that would be for.
Speaker 3: People that are like on a lock unit, because I
Speaker 3: I had to do a lot with the Alzheimer's lockdown
Speaker 3: unit because we had a lot of patient with sundowners
Speaker 3: and they get.
Speaker 6: Oohber violent and.
Speaker 3: Violent, violent like trying to murder other residents and.
Speaker 6: Fighting and like yeah, and.
Speaker 3: They're you know, they're they're fight or flight hormones take
Speaker 3: over and they can whoop some ass.
Speaker 4: Oh they're crazy strong, they'll escape. Like I had a
Speaker 4: patient escape once out of the memory care unit, musted
Speaker 4: a unliftable window that was I don't even know he
Speaker 4: was gone. I'm like, it's crazy and he made it far,
Speaker 4: Like yeah, thank Heavens, we do good checks because we
Speaker 4: caught everything. But we caught him, but he was clear
Speaker 4: to the freeway. It was only gone like fifteen minutes.
Speaker 4: I'm like, Ernie, did you sprint? Like what is happening?
Speaker 4: That's not no.
Speaker 3: I could understand patients like that where family members cannot
Speaker 3: take care of them, like they have younger kids and whatever,
Speaker 3: and the safety issue is a thing, But if you
Speaker 3: just have somebody that's older they've had a stroke or whatever,
Speaker 3: I don't understand why you can't step up well.
Speaker 4: And honestly, if you feel like you're not enough to
Speaker 4: take care of them, you might want to watch this
Speaker 4: again and see how many more minutes they're gonna get
Speaker 4: with somebody they love versus even if you are not
Speaker 4: able to give your undivided attention, they're not going to
Speaker 4: get it anyway.
Speaker 6: M hm. Oh, yeah, they will be because they won't.
Speaker 3: Get any attention and except maybe you know, once or
Speaker 3: trice a week, and that's it, because they do they
Speaker 3: starve them and stuff like that. And some of it
Speaker 3: is it intentional, absolutely, but a lot of it is
Speaker 3: not intentional. It's just because they literally cannot care for people.
Speaker 6: Yeah, for that way, on a whole, with one or
Speaker 6: two staff members.
Speaker 4: I think that you could make room in your life,
Speaker 4: especially if they're bedbound, right like, oh, but I can't
Speaker 4: change their diaper so frequently or trust me, it's probably
Speaker 4: going to be more frequently than you might think they
Speaker 4: will get otherwise, because I'm telling you, unless it's short
Speaker 4: term for rehab, if it's long term care, they're they're
Speaker 4: going to do their best. But the shortages and everything
Speaker 4: we've just explained, you're probably gonna do a better job
Speaker 4: than you think. So, and you love that person, hopefully
Speaker 4: you know you might not love who they are right then,
Speaker 4: but you need to remember things like my grandpa would
Speaker 4: always tell me because when my grandma aged, she didn't
Speaker 4: age as good as my grandpa. And I would say,
Speaker 4: I didn't know, you know what she looked like until
Speaker 4: later and I seen an old picture and I was like, oh,
Speaker 4: I get it. I would say, well, you know, do
Speaker 4: you still love grandma like that? You know you still romantic?
Speaker 4: And he said, when I see your grandma, I see
Speaker 4: the girl that I met when I met her, And
Speaker 4: so it didn't matter to him, And that's where it
Speaker 4: should be for us. If they get mean because they
Speaker 4: have a disease or whatever, and they're not like crazy
Speaker 4: trying to kill everybody, but just like a little fussy
Speaker 4: fussy right, okay, but there is everything hurt. They want
Speaker 4: to thank your plan, right, and everything hurts, and like nowadays,
Speaker 4: like yeah, we talk about a lot of opioid addicts
Speaker 4: and opioid overdoses. I'm going to tell you people something.
Speaker 4: When you're old like that and everything hurts, I pray
Speaker 4: they're treating them for their pain. That is different. And
Speaker 4: if they have to take pain pills every six hours
Speaker 4: for the rest of their life, good, Like I don't
Speaker 4: care unless they are sedated, unsafe whatever all that is.
Speaker 4: But like if that helps them live a better life,
Speaker 4: to not be knocked out, not be you know, out
Speaker 4: of it, be able to do things because they can't
Speaker 4: move without like wanting to die daily. Like you know,
Speaker 4: you've got away these things because some people will come
Speaker 4: in and be like, oh, cut my grandma off all
Speaker 4: of her pills. And I'm like, like back in the
Speaker 4: day when Darvis that was the thing, I'm like, it's
Speaker 4: like two Darvas at a day. Man, that's like a
Speaker 4: tile and all with a bump, Like it isn't anything,
Speaker 4: you know, And I just thought, why, like you have
Speaker 4: some stigma against it, like you haven't seen or tried
Speaker 4: to go to the bathroom. It's really sad.
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's the thing that a lot of caregivers
Speaker 3: don't understand, or a lot of family members, i should say,
Speaker 3: don't understand unless you are that person's caregiver. You don't
Speaker 3: see their struggle and they're decline in their health like
Speaker 3: all the time.
Speaker 4: You know, well, they're gonna hide it. Yeah, they're happy
Speaker 4: you're there. They're probably gottendorphins going because you're there. But
Speaker 4: like they're not moving and trying to go do things
Speaker 4: or whatever. So if you want them to stay mobile.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying gork everybody like, that's not it. There's
Speaker 4: this fine line.
Speaker 6: You get drugs, right, it's either regarded.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're retarded and they like drug everybody to the
Speaker 4: point of Gorkville or nobody can have anything. Ever, Okay,
Speaker 4: let's use our brains. Well, let's balance things out and say, yeah,
Speaker 4: Jesse can have this many things because Jesse has a
Speaker 4: high tolerance and he's been taking these for years and
Speaker 4: he needs this amount. But Betty down the road here,
Speaker 4: she only gets like half a pill because she gets
Speaker 4: crazy if not. So, like, you've got to figure that out,
Speaker 4: you really do. And the big things are sleep. Old
Speaker 4: people don't go to sleep. I don't know why, but
Speaker 4: they don't. They don't sleep good. I mean pain for one.
Speaker 4: If you're in pain all night, you're not going to sleep.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's a myth.
Speaker 3: You you actually don't require as much sleep, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: So these people are awake hurting, could you imagine? I mean,
Speaker 4: I guess because I've had a lot of pain issues.
Speaker 4: I'm like, be sensitive to the fact that somebody might
Speaker 4: be trapped inside a body that is just excruciating, and
Speaker 4: maybe they really want to do things like, and they're
Speaker 4: on that brink of like I can take a pain
Speaker 4: pill and do things, or I cannot take a pain
Speaker 4: pill and I can't do anything. Let them have it
Speaker 4: because the longer they stay active, the better. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that's for everybody. I'm saying for this instant.
Speaker 6: Act is yeah, definitely important.
Speaker 3: And that's why a lot of these people when they
Speaker 3: get put in a facility like this and they're forced
Speaker 3: to lay down twenty four hours a day, or you
Speaker 3: have a couple hours where you literally sit in the
Speaker 3: hallway in a wheelchair for six hours or whatever, screaming
Speaker 3: for help. That and no mobility, and they can't. They
Speaker 3: don't exercise, they don't do anything with them, and so
Speaker 3: they're either laying flat or sitting on their butt literally
Speaker 3: all day long, every single day. You have muscle wasting,
Speaker 3: and you will die faster because your joints will seize
Speaker 3: up and the whole nine yards well depression.
Speaker 4: For Fox's sake, Look, you better put yourself in your family.
Speaker 4: If you don't have the gum to take care of it,
Speaker 4: you better treat that person like you want to be treated.
Speaker 4: Because karma is a nasty bitch and I don't care.
Speaker 4: Age comes for all of us because, like my dad
Speaker 4: used to say, when I would complain about getting older,
Speaker 4: he'd say, beats the hell out of the alternative, hay kid,
Speaker 4: And I'm like, right, because it's death, right, like you
Speaker 4: either live or you don't, and so like you only
Speaker 4: got two options. But you better remember this because every
Speaker 4: one of you, whether you age and do it or
Speaker 4: whether you have some accident or this will be repaid
Speaker 4: upon your head, I promise you.
Speaker 3: And I'm gonna says going to be Heidi, because on
Speaker 3: the older.
Speaker 4: We're going to hang out together and cause all kinds
Speaker 4: of chaos. That's what we're gonna do, right.
Speaker 3: Exactly, We'll have a joining adjoining fleets in our greenhouse.
Speaker 4: She knows I'm a bitch, and I'll take care of it.
Speaker 4: That's what's up. My husband knows. If his steak isn't right,
Speaker 4: I will do it nicely, but only twice. Then the
Speaker 4: nice is not the same. So you know, I feel
Speaker 4: that's fair. I feel that's fair. If I say it
Speaker 4: very nicely and very calmly two times is what you get.
Speaker 3: Then it's on a sliding scale after that, and I
Speaker 3: have no I have no control over.
Speaker 6: How that's scale slides.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, but you do have to remember this. I
Speaker 4: think this is such an important thing for you know,
Speaker 4: if you look to the Asian population, they are busy.
Speaker 4: They are mandated to be very busy people. They're some
Speaker 4: of the busiest people out there. If you go to
Speaker 4: these other countries, they take care of their old people. Well,
Speaker 4: the old people are out picking rice at ninety seven
Speaker 4: because they take care of them.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, Asian people and generally Hispanic people
Speaker 3: sometimes they take care of their family and culture too,
Speaker 3: where they will literally have generations living together under the
Speaker 3: same growth.
Speaker 4: And that is how many Asians did you ever take
Speaker 4: care of a nursing home standate?
Speaker 6: Never?
Speaker 4: No, I had maybe two in the whole facility. And
Speaker 4: black people are better about it.
Speaker 3: Also, by the way, I was gonna say, most of
Speaker 3: the patients were white and they were white women. There
Speaker 3: were some men, but for the most part it was
Speaker 3: females and it was always white people.
Speaker 4: The men were the mean sundowning like they couldn't do
Speaker 4: any They're like, ah, what do we do? Or they're
Speaker 4: like medical necessary, like oh he needs oxygen and dah
Speaker 4: dah da da dah maybe people didn't feel competent, you know,
Speaker 4: to deal with that or whatever. But yeah, it's just sad.
Speaker 4: It's or the or they're really rich, old white guys
Speaker 4: that have had twenty seven divorces and they're just dicks,
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, and nobody can no, you can't do
Speaker 4: it right enough. And so maybe I understand that one.
Speaker 4: Like I couldn't handle that all day long.
Speaker 6: Wives were like, hell, no, you're not staying with me.
Speaker 4: Just hire somebody, you know, let him have his one
Speaker 4: on one because he's not going to be nice anyway.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and and somebody like that, it doesn't matter,
Speaker 3: Like even if you do, there's no right there's there's
Speaker 3: never anybody that would that would fit the bill.
Speaker 4: It's never good enough. And you can tell that guy.
Speaker 4: I would always ask them, what did you used to
Speaker 4: do for a living? Well, I was a top level
Speaker 4: corporate executive. I'm like, yeah, yep, there it is, okay,
Speaker 4: got it. And if you are that person, I get it,
Speaker 4: but like, don't be a dick to your nurse.
Speaker 3: Well, and I've had a lot of patience like that
Speaker 3: that just cannot seem to have a humanity side to them.
Speaker 4: They're reptilians. That's why at all. I'm just kidding. Well,
Speaker 4: they maybe they're homunculous people. I don't know. Do you
Speaker 4: know what my daughter told me yesterday? Off topic, but
Speaker 4: I just wanted to share this. It was kind of wild,
Speaker 4: and maybe we should do our next series because I
Speaker 4: know we're coming close, right, wasn't this our last? In
Speaker 4: this one?
Speaker 6: We have one more?
Speaker 4: So what I think we should do on on transhumanism
Speaker 4: because I think this is fascinating. They told me last
Speaker 4: night that if you give birth now, even at home,
Speaker 4: if unless it's like some special holistic person, like if
Speaker 4: they're like a regular medical professional, they are now charging
Speaker 4: you two thousand dollars to keep your own fucking placenta.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well that he doesn't surprise me because pluscential sale
Speaker 3: is a big, big money maker because they use that placenta.
Speaker 6: But they're not supposed to makeup.
Speaker 4: And they're supposed to incinerate that shit. So I'm like, oh, hey,
Speaker 4: you want your taking grand I'm coming with you to
Speaker 4: the incinerator. I want to watch the bitch right, and
Speaker 4: same thing with cirque skin, all that shit we've talked about,
Speaker 4: But transhumanism, I don't know if you saw it, Janet,
Speaker 4: because you know, I know you don't keep up with
Speaker 4: the Mormon crazies. But the Ebstein files mentioned something crazy
Speaker 4: about Mormons, and they mentioned about Mormon blood and they
Speaker 4: said he was like he was talking about, yeah, keep
Speaker 4: paying her tuition as long as you guarantee to send
Speaker 4: me that Mormon blood. And I'm a pint every week,
Speaker 4: and I was like, yeah, obviously for multiple people, Like
Speaker 4: somebody wrote in the thing, oh nobody could give it.
Speaker 4: I'm like, don't be stupid, no shit, Sherlock. We don't
Speaker 4: know how many people are involved in this little ring here. Okay,
Speaker 4: if it's true. If it's true, I don't know. Somebody
Speaker 4: said you better start proving facts. I'm like, how the
Speaker 4: hell am I supposed to prove? Go talk to Epstein?
Speaker 4: Should I go do that? Because I don't know?
Speaker 6: And isn't that where they spotted him?
Speaker 4: And is her if it ain't him, Look, I'm telling
Speaker 4: you clones, cabbage babies. Uh, you know, the transhumanism like
Speaker 4: stem cell research, Dolly the Sheep, Howard Hughes Medical Institute
Speaker 4: being one hundred percent involved in the crisper technology, and
Speaker 4: guess who else was buying Mormon fucking blood. All I
Speaker 4: could think about when I read it was like, I
Speaker 4: only know a couple other creepy people that have been
Speaker 4: and I know a lot of people, right, well, this
Speaker 4: is not my real life. But yeah, like Howard Hughes
Speaker 4: was in with the Mormons, and I thought, I wonder
Speaker 4: if this little motherfucker, so I start typing Howard Hughes
Speaker 4: vampire shit goes wild. I'm like, are you serious? Howard
Speaker 4: Hughes was in the Epstein files, by the way, so
Speaker 4: was Howard Hugh's medical institute and all this stuff. I'm
Speaker 4: telling you guys about this crisper stuff. But there was
Speaker 4: all of these different wild studies that he was doing.
Speaker 4: But also he was buying I shit, you not, Janet
Speaker 4: Mormon blood. That made it more real for me. The
Speaker 4: first part. I was like, some bullshit here, this is
Speaker 4: some silly nonsense they I don't know what is this
Speaker 4: a joke? Like? Is this their code for some silly things?
Speaker 4: I don't know? And then I started reading that they
Speaker 4: were smuggling. They got in trouble for it. The doctors
Speaker 4: were reprimanded and against their licensure for transporting the blood
Speaker 4: over state lines. That brings the new like evidentiary.
Speaker 3: Well, and that doesn't surprise me because the things that
Speaker 3: I were reading was about the DNA, oh bio biohacking,
Speaker 3: and it's series that it listed my favorite twenty three
Speaker 3: and May was listed in there.
Speaker 4: Dude, you know we're gonna we should do one on
Speaker 4: when we do this, If we do this next, we
Speaker 4: have to do one on the DNA testing the DNA studies.
Speaker 4: Because one thing that happened, and right as p Diddy
Speaker 4: got arrested, I opened up my phone one morning, no shit,
Speaker 4: just like to scroll. I'm on here, like do do?
Speaker 4: And I just start scrolling and I'm like, wait what
Speaker 4: because it'll like send you things that it knows you
Speaker 4: look at, right. So I look at it and it
Speaker 4: says something something twenty three and me, well, I do
Speaker 4: so much genetic research stuff that I just screenshotted it
Speaker 4: because I didn't have time, not because it was nefarious.
Speaker 4: I was busy, so I was like, I gotta read
Speaker 4: this later. Oh it was the best thing I ever did,
Speaker 4: because that shit's gone. But it showed all about how
Speaker 4: every single person on the board of twenty three and
Speaker 4: me the day PA didty was arrested, resigned, every fucking one,
Speaker 4: and I have the proof. And so when it gets
Speaker 4: into this and and more Chicky and we'll bring her
Speaker 4: up when we do this episode all about the word
Speaker 4: chickies who own twenty not just the twenty three and me,
Speaker 4: but they She was over YouTube and all of these
Speaker 4: people suddenly started dropping dead, like the lady that was
Speaker 4: over the YouTube one dropped dead and her son dropped dead.
Speaker 4: And whenever you get like a death toll, like this
Speaker 4: crazy death hole thing, you have to start asking yourself
Speaker 4: why it's scary.
Speaker 3: And you know, we know that there's some from fuckery
Speaker 3: going on with the genetics and building the the genome
Speaker 3: and all of that stuff, and all these weird you know,
Speaker 3: underground quessions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Zoro Ranch.
Speaker 3: Well you was gonna say, Zoro Ranch, and you know
Speaker 3: all these other things that are associated with it, so.
Speaker 4: Seating labs, like these seating labs and this artificial womb shit,
Speaker 4: and look it sounds I already. Look, we all said
Speaker 4: everything sounded crazy. Telly released the ship and went, here's
Speaker 4: your fucking crazy read it, and then everybody went it's
Speaker 4: fake because you can't the fact that it might be
Speaker 4: fucking true.
Speaker 3: Well, and it's on that what is it agenda twenty
Speaker 3: forty oh twenty thirty which whatever. Yeah, and it talks
Speaker 3: about like transhumanism and they're push toward that and the
Speaker 3: the baby wounds and likes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: Taking out your consciousness basically removing your brain and hooking
Speaker 3: it up to something whatever.
Speaker 4: If you guys do that, this is where in the
Speaker 4: Bible where the Bible comes in, it says in the
Speaker 4: last days, men will cry out for death and they
Speaker 4: will not be able to die. Figure it out before
Speaker 4: it happens. Yeah, let them do this.
Speaker 6: He'll be one of those people.
Speaker 4: Don't go get it, don't do the thing like neuralinks
Speaker 4: scary enough. But I'm telling you guys, there's some actual
Speaker 4: like where me and Janet study these things. We go
Speaker 4: deep dive and prove the real facts. That's why I
Speaker 4: can't stay on a damn show with Janet.
Speaker 6: Because that doesn't help.
Speaker 4: It doesn't happen with everybody else. It doesn't happen if
Speaker 4: I'm talking crazy, that next one will probably be fine
Speaker 4: because it's crazy. It's crazy, and they want us to
Speaker 4: talk about crazy shit. So but I'm telling you guys,
Speaker 4: like there are people that had lots of money that
Speaker 4: were obsessed with this stuff. But there's older things like Paracelsus,
Speaker 4: and we'll get into that, like the Paraceelsian society and stuff,
Speaker 4: and what they were doing when they say they made
Speaker 4: a person in a bottle, this homunculus thing, and there's
Speaker 4: these old books that you know, you guys, this is
Speaker 4: one chap. I will bring the heat for this. But
Speaker 4: one little piece of it is they had to beat
Speaker 4: the cow, which is where the baby is, because they
Speaker 4: like made it with blood. Here we go again with
Speaker 4: the blood. Why Mormon blood. Most of us are oh
Speaker 4: positive because of our genetics, and oh positive matters when
Speaker 4: you're donating. So there's that. But yeah, I know, when
Speaker 4: we're looking at all this stuff that sounds crazy. Then
Speaker 4: you put it together, if you know enough about Paracelsus stuff,
Speaker 4: you go, oh my gosh. And then but then they
Speaker 4: have to get the biggest dog dick they can find
Speaker 4: and then beat the cow. Like some of it's crazy.
Speaker 6: That sounds like a bad pornography.
Speaker 4: This is gonna be a weird one, y'all. But you
Speaker 4: already know I'm weird, so whatever, I don't care. But
Speaker 4: one of the first Paracelsian societies was here in Utah.
Speaker 4: Tell me they weren't fucking with some stuff.
Speaker 3: I just want to know what it is about Utah
Speaker 3: that has all this weird, like it's perilental, strange, like
Speaker 3: it's always Utah.
Speaker 4: I just that's because well, one of the very first
Speaker 4: prophets sons so not profit he was like in the
Speaker 4: top counselors Orson Hyde. Yeah, I think you'd be. I
Speaker 4: can't remember. But anyway, Orson Hyde's son. He was a
Speaker 4: genetics doctor and they were very involved with Obviously we're
Speaker 4: gonna have to go to the Nazis for one of
Speaker 4: these shows. Let me do this, because who was obsessed
Speaker 4: with this? Right? And if you look at the Epstein files,
Speaker 4: they're crazy about the blue eyes, like they're psychotic about it.
Speaker 4: But where does this come up? I'll tell you where.
Speaker 4: Laurie Vallo, the one that killed her kids because it
Speaker 4: was a mercy thing because sabotens and we'll get in
Speaker 4: that later. But this whole thing where she kills her kids, right,
Speaker 4: because it's like mercy and if you read about why,
Speaker 4: it's very strange. But she mentioned something over and over
Speaker 4: again about how blue Joseph Smith's eyes were and I went,
Speaker 4: you motherfuckers, like you've known this for so long, Like
Speaker 4: this is actually a little bit frightening to know that
Speaker 4: you guys have found some superior thing, you know, and
Speaker 4: it's way before Hitler, It's but did yeah, I mean
Speaker 4: sure he was their puppet. But this is like stuff
Speaker 4: that's old, so crazy crazy Ville. But these studies go
Speaker 4: back like the Boys of Brazil and I know that's
Speaker 4: not real, but like we have to look at it
Speaker 4: like it's just it's that shit crazy. So I think
Speaker 4: they just shove it in our face and they're like, oh,
Speaker 4: but it's fiction. Just read the book. It's fun. Take
Speaker 4: your Gila monster today? Yeah, did you take your Geela
Speaker 4: Monster shot today? To be skinny? Because we all hope
Speaker 4: you turn into reptilians but we're just kidding.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well kind of like COVID and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: it doesn't change your DNA like at all, Like like
Speaker 3: it doesn't and now they're like, oh, just getting our bed,
Speaker 3: Yeah it does modify that.
Speaker 4: And one of them we should definitely do on blood
Speaker 4: blood like just a whole bunch on like a the
Speaker 4: Golden Blood be like these old Cherokee stories of blood
Speaker 4: and like these weird things, but it comes into kachina dolls.
Speaker 4: I know how it sounds crazy, but I'm telling you, guys,
Speaker 4: this stuff, this weird stuff, Okay, it came from somewhere.
Speaker 4: This wasn't just somebody trippin', Like it's repeated too much.
Speaker 4: It's just on and on and on repeated. So I
Speaker 4: think that you know they're tying. They're like definitely tying
Speaker 4: things together. And who else talked about this whole? Tim
Speaker 4: Ballard said the Mormon Church was and I know, like
Speaker 4: I get it. He was under fire. He jumped ship
Speaker 4: to the Catholics. Don't forget. They're all working together, right,
Speaker 4: all of them. But he said some shit that was
Speaker 4: like pretty nefarious that people were like, well, Tim Ballard's
Speaker 4: an asshole. I'm like, but assholes tell the truth sometimes,
Speaker 4: so we have to look at it. He was talking
Speaker 4: about those damn blue eyes again and Buddha. They talk
Speaker 4: about Buddha having blue eyes. Right, They are messing with
Speaker 4: some stuff. And I don't want to ruin it all
Speaker 4: because I already know, but yeah, it gets weird, That's
Speaker 4: all I can say.
Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna throw this in there. But you
Speaker 3: mentioned a Kachina doll. Oh yeah, and when in my
Speaker 3: previous marriage he was an abusive alcoholic person and so
Speaker 3: he was always very violent and whatever. And I went,
Speaker 3: we had this big glass front door, and I was
Speaker 3: walking by the glass front door one day and I'm like,
Speaker 3: there's something on the porch. Somebody put a Kachina protector
Speaker 3: warrior on my porch. I don't know who, don't know
Speaker 3: where it came from, don't know if somebody sent it,
Speaker 3: if this a bit.
Speaker 4: Just what happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm od of whatever. But that was like a
Speaker 3: protector thing. And I thought it was weird that because
Speaker 3: I didn't even know what a Kachina doll was at
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 4: The stories of what's weird they come from is crazy.
Speaker 4: It has to do with angels. Also in these papers
Speaker 4: from Epstein, uh Les Wexner, the pink guy Victoria's Secret right,
Speaker 4: like the number one, one of the main funders for Epstein.
Speaker 4: He said, and I quote, he had a dipic in
Speaker 4: him since he was a child, like a dipic, like
Speaker 4: a dipic box dipic mm hmm, like like a bad spirit.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, what the fuck did you just say? Like
Speaker 4: I know that there's a lot in those Well it's
Speaker 4: going to take as a trillion million years to look
Speaker 4: all this, you know, through the Epstein files. But it
Speaker 4: is wild to me how many things came out that
Speaker 4: I was just like, what did you just say? He
Speaker 4: had an evil spirit that rules him. That's interesting because
Speaker 4: that goes right along with some stuff that I study.
Speaker 3: M That would that surprise you, would that shock you?
Speaker 6: No, nothing though, nothing is not now anymore?
Speaker 4: Yeah, not anymore because we see and then it makes
Speaker 4: it make a little more sense when you hear they
Speaker 4: were requiring blood. Okay, and it sounds ridiculous, but if
Speaker 4: you know about these bloodlined families, why is Utah involved
Speaker 4: Because they are the posterity of first families and there
Speaker 4: are only so many first families that came over on
Speaker 4: the very first Mayflower and they are very important. So yep,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be good.
Speaker 6: Looking forward to that series.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a good one. I knew i'd come
Speaker 4: up with something. To think about it for a minute,
Speaker 4: I do.
Speaker 6: I've been writing notes out taken.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Heidi forgots.
Speaker 3: So thank you, my darling for joining me for another episode.
Speaker 6: We got one more in the series.
Speaker 3: And uh that one's gonna be some crazy business as well.
Speaker 6: Uh so where can they find you?
Speaker 4: My dear? Absolutely well, Miss Janet always a pleasure. I
Speaker 4: love talking to my bestie and she puts up with
Speaker 4: me when I'm running late because I go crazy and
Speaker 4: forget things like the dog's food this morning. But we
Speaker 4: don't have to put room. I'm telling you a way
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Speaker 4: a good kid. He's off to his job as a
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