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Speaker 2: And as I've promised you guys over the last few
Speaker 2: times that I filled in on the show and even yesterday,
Speaker 2: I want to try to give a platform to as
Speaker 2: many governor candidates as possible and see if we can
Speaker 2: find one out there that's got a fire in his belly.
Speaker 2: And you know, we've gotten a couple that have had
Speaker 2: some decent talking points, but so far, I don't think
Speaker 2: we've we've necessarily hit a home run. But we're going
Speaker 2: to keep trying. And we've got another governor's candidate on
Speaker 2: the line today. His name is Jason Clark. He's running
Speaker 2: for Colorado governor and his slogan is Let's make Colorado
Speaker 2: great again. And before we bring Jason up, I just
Speaker 2: want to say, Jason, you submitted to an interview in
Speaker 2: Westward which wasn't the most flattering of interviews, and I
Speaker 2: have to ask to start off this interview, does that
Speaker 2: make you a little hesitant to want to come on
Speaker 2: the radio show.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not front and center. I want to talk about
Speaker 3: my story and what the Colorado Democrats did to me. However,
Speaker 3: it's long in the tooth, it's complicated, it's full of corruption.
Speaker 3: It is a phenomenal story, and yes, it is one
Speaker 3: of the reasons why I'm running for governor. And if
Speaker 3: you want to talk about firing the belly, ohha, I
Speaker 3: got it, and that's the reason.
Speaker 2: All right. So Jason, before we get into the details,
Speaker 2: what's your background? What brought you to the table and
Speaker 2: made you decide, Hey, I think I've got the chops
Speaker 2: to run for the governor of the state of Colorado.
Speaker 2: Which tell us a little bit about your background.
Speaker 3: Well, my background is my dad was an Army surgeon.
Speaker 3: So I was born at Offit Air Force Base in Omaha, Nebraska.
Speaker 3: Because you went to Creighton, I've lived in Colorado since
Speaker 3: I was about six months old. Baby, I don't know
Speaker 3: anything about Nebraska, so I consider myself of Colorado native. Gotcha,
Speaker 3: all my families here, my roots are here. I went
Speaker 3: to Smokey Hill High school Sco Buffs. After that I graduated,
Speaker 3: I went to West Point basically because my dad. I
Speaker 3: think a lot has lots to do with it. My dad,
Speaker 3: he was a colonel, and I got in, graduated, went
Speaker 3: back to Fort Carson, served my time, got out, and
Speaker 3: I was in finance for you know, thirty years. I
Speaker 3: had a business that I started from scratch, and then
Speaker 3: what happened to me with the state, which I can
Speaker 3: give you a summary, or we can move on to
Speaker 3: what my platform is because my case is about me,
Speaker 3: and I don't want this to be about me, Steve,
Speaker 3: I really don't. I want this to be about the
Speaker 3: people of Colorado. Booloo, Jason. No one's going to vote
Speaker 3: for you because something bad happened in my life, you know,
Speaker 3: with the state of Colorado. But it is an impetus
Speaker 3: of why I'm running, and I think it's important to
Speaker 3: tell the story because you look at my background and
Speaker 3: what happened to me. This is not America and this
Speaker 3: is not Colorado, and this is not right.
Speaker 4: Said the article.
Speaker 2: Well, the article on Westward kind of hints to your
Speaker 2: business closing in twenty twenty three, but it doesn't kind of.
Speaker 2: I don't think it tells the story that it sounds
Speaker 2: like you're itching to tell. So let's just hear it.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is obviously kind of what got you
Speaker 2: motivated to run for governor, at least this time, because
Speaker 2: my understanding you've ran a couple of times in the past,
Speaker 2: is that correct?
Speaker 3: That is correct? And you know this time I think
Speaker 3: it's different, Steed, because I think I have a credible chance.
Speaker 3: And again back to why I'm running, Yeah, yeah, my
Speaker 3: case has something to do with it. But then I
Speaker 3: also looked around Colorado and I said, these people don't
Speaker 3: know what they're doing. This is totally uncompetent.
Speaker 2: I say that all the time.
Speaker 3: Yep, And I don't see how Hey, if you got
Speaker 3: people that are Democrats that are listening to you, I
Speaker 3: would I cannot wait to debate. I think it will
Speaker 3: be Michael Bennett. I cannot wait to debate Michael Bennett
Speaker 3: on his track record because it's an ass and their
Speaker 3: plan going forward is an ass. Get Trump is not
Speaker 3: going to do anything for most Colorados. It is not
Speaker 3: my plan will So yeah, the motivation, Steve does come
Speaker 3: from my case. But as you just mentioned, I've done this,
Speaker 3: you know, twice before. This time. I think I have
Speaker 3: a chance because I've known these people, I know all
Speaker 3: the characters, I know all the other candidates I've met
Speaker 3: them throughout the years. I don't think they can win
Speaker 3: a general election on the Republican side. I do believe
Speaker 3: I'm the only one that can unite the Republican Party
Speaker 3: and have a platform that wins the general election.
Speaker 2: Well what's that platform? Let's hear what are you running on?
Speaker 2: What are you what makes you different from every other
Speaker 2: candidate in the race. What are those platforms?
Speaker 3: Number one, and this is a playoff the broncos Bo Nix.
Speaker 3: I hope he doesn't come after me and sue me
Speaker 3: for this, but it's Nicks the state income tax, and
Speaker 3: the key to this is Steve. We can do that
Speaker 3: using Tabor. We don't need any legislative approval, no constitutional
Speaker 3: improven no Democrats at all. Polish your buddy, Paula written
Speaker 3: on this. I just I heard somewhere that you guys
Speaker 3: were buddies.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: That's not true.
Speaker 2: That's a good way to end this interview.
Speaker 3: I'm kidding. We can do it through Tabor. We don't
Speaker 3: need any democratic approval. Number two, get rid of all
Speaker 3: the programs that we all know that nobody uses. That's
Speaker 3: going to save everyone money that month because of taber
Speaker 3: goes directly back to the people. So that's going to
Speaker 3: be about five percent. So to give people an idea,
Speaker 3: that's five percent you're saving on state income tax, another
Speaker 3: five percent you're saving on TABOR refunds. That's ten percent.
Speaker 3: So anyone out there making eighty two hundred thousand, you're
Speaker 3: going to get eight to ten thousand dollars back every
Speaker 3: single year. Under my platform number three, we can also
Speaker 3: use TABOR to give school teachers more pay. I don't
Speaker 3: know any professions and no one can debate me on this,
Speaker 3: where the people that aren't the best don't make the
Speaker 3: most money professional athletes, surgeons, lawyers, doctors. Sure, you have
Speaker 3: to pay people. Yeah, so you've got to pay teachers.
Speaker 3: If you want the best, if you want to get
Speaker 3: better teaching, you have to pay for it. And to
Speaker 3: the point of the status of Colorado, the state of
Speaker 3: the state, they've cut two point seven billion from education
Speaker 3: in the last two years, and they lied to the
Speaker 3: teachers' unions about it. Five hundred million the first time,
Speaker 3: one point two billion a second time, six hundred million
Speaker 3: for next year. And let's not forget. Let's tell your listeners,
Speaker 3: let's not let Michael Bennett off the hook for losing
Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty million dollars on a Derivatis contract
Speaker 3: with Wall Street JP Morgan when he was the superintendent
Speaker 3: for Denver Public Schools.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, so all right, So your platform is to
Speaker 2: get rid of the state income tax, use TABOR to
Speaker 2: basically put money back in the taxpayers pockets. How do
Speaker 2: you fund the functioning of the state. And I'm only
Speaker 2: asking you this because one of the candidates we had
Speaker 2: on yesterday had had a similar concept of getting rid
Speaker 2: of the state income tax and really no idea of
Speaker 2: how do you fund the government? Then? How do you
Speaker 2: fund the things that are essential to the state of Colorado.
Speaker 2: How do you get that done?
Speaker 3: Easy to do twofold one. We just take a play
Speaker 3: off of Florida. We have a large skiing industry here.
Speaker 3: So yes, those out of state people, sorry not in state,
Speaker 3: out of state skiers are going to pay more because
Speaker 3: we're going to You have to have the money from somewhere.
Speaker 3: You said it. You can raise the taxes on the
Speaker 3: out of state people, just like Florida does. Okay, that
Speaker 3: is number one and number two. You're leading me to
Speaker 3: my fourth and fifth point on my platform. Maybe I'm
Speaker 3: being sarcastic. Maybe stop giving illegals five six hundred million
Speaker 3: dollars a year. This is ridiculous. We are giving illegal
Speaker 3: aliens the money that should be going to our schools,
Speaker 3: our families, and the people that are residents and citizens
Speaker 3: of our state. That's ridiculous. So there's a lot of
Speaker 3: money there. But here's the best part of this. I
Speaker 3: can answer that question. It's energy. Energy.
Speaker 2: Energy.
Speaker 3: We have all the energy resources. This is number five
Speaker 3: on my platform. We have all the energy sources right
Speaker 3: here in Colorado. And we can add nuclear. We need
Speaker 3: to start doing nuclear energy. If you're going to solve
Speaker 3: climate change, you believe in that global warming, whatever, you're
Speaker 3: not going to do it without nuclear energy. You have
Speaker 3: to have it zero carbon emissions. We can also use
Speaker 3: geo thermal. The weight of the Rockies. It's right here,
Speaker 3: where's all the residents in Colorado up along the Front Range.
Speaker 3: So geo thermal the weight of the Rockies cracks the crust.
Speaker 3: We can go down and develop it. Actually, California is
Speaker 3: number one and geo thermal in the country. We can
Speaker 3: use that technology and power the entire Front Range. Geo
Speaker 3: Thermal and nuclear combined with yes coal, yes oil, liquefied
Speaker 3: natural gas, natural gas, wind, solar, hydro. We need to
Speaker 3: do it all. That will fund all of our programs,
Speaker 3: including the HIT, will take on the five percent state
Speaker 3: income tax, and we can fix our roads, clean up
Speaker 3: our cities that are dirty and a mess, and we
Speaker 3: will have Denver being the most beautiful, prettiest city in America.
Speaker 3: It'll be cleaner than Singapore.
Speaker 2: So, Jason, you don't get there without getting your message out,
Speaker 2: and you know I can tell you're passionate. How do
Speaker 2: you get that message out to the voters of Colorado?
Speaker 2: And what voters are you most trying to appeal to.
Speaker 3: I want people to know that I'm for all Colorado's
Speaker 3: not just any demographic group. Everybody benefits from my plan.
Speaker 3: It's a plan for every Colorado. And because I'm not
Speaker 3: a name, you know that you said that I don't
Speaker 3: have a lot of money. I'm not a rich guy.
Speaker 3: I'm not poor. I'm very fortunate and very grateful for
Speaker 3: my health and everything that I've been able to do
Speaker 3: in my life. I live a very good life, even
Speaker 3: after the things that have happened to me. But the
Speaker 3: ant to your question, is social media. I've been doing
Speaker 3: this back since Barack Obama. I'm like, he's going to
Speaker 3: win because he's going to get this social media. So
Speaker 3: if you look at my social media platform, I'm on
Speaker 3: all of them. There are a few other Republicans that
Speaker 3: are even on TikTok, my biggest following. I get a
Speaker 3: thousand times more interaction on TikTok than Facebook. So I've
Speaker 3: had people. I've had I mean even even my two nephews.
Speaker 3: I was out of the wedding about a week ago
Speaker 3: and they're like, nobody's looking at it. They call me
Speaker 3: eagles because I'm balding. You know, no one's looking at
Speaker 3: your posts. I'm like, guys, let me show you something
Speaker 3: on TikTok. And I show them my TikTok and they're like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, Wow, that's wow. That's way more so
Speaker 3: social media. And for the people out there that like
Speaker 3: the message, like the platform, like the passion, like the energy, follow,
Speaker 3: like share, comment on social media, I'm on all the
Speaker 3: platforms LinkedIn Facebook, Instagram.
Speaker 2: And how do they how do they find you? What
Speaker 2: are they what do they search for on those platforms?
Speaker 3: Oh Clark for Colorado Gov. That's on all the platform.
Speaker 3: It's Clark for Colorado Gov.
Speaker 2: All right, So Jason, we got just a few minutes
Speaker 2: left here. I can't. I can't let you go without
Speaker 2: asking you what is it that? What was that thing
Speaker 2: that the Democrats did to you that fired you up?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: Can you summarize it in just a couple of seconds.
Speaker 4: I can.
Speaker 3: Here's what happened. I was a registered investment advisor for
Speaker 3: thirty years in the state of Colorado. The carraud of
Speaker 3: Division of Securities and Charles Swap, yes v Charles Swap
Speaker 3: accused me, Jason Clark, of quote unquote, stealing my customer's money. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 3: the exact words were, Jason Clark is wiring money, writing
Speaker 3: checks and dispersing money from customer accounts end quote. They
Speaker 3: removed me from their platform at SWAP. I don't work
Speaker 3: for SWAP. I just contracted them, Okay. Then I took
Speaker 3: Swap and the car out Division of Securities to Finra.
Speaker 3: I won. I proved my innocence. Of course, I was
Speaker 3: not doing this. This happens all the time. I was
Speaker 3: not doing anything that these people accuse me. Up my
Speaker 3: funeral arbitration settlement, says Jason Clark, did nothing dishonest, nothing dishonorable,
Speaker 3: and no compliance issues were ultimately found. Then I did
Speaker 3: all with myself, Steve. Then I sued everybody. When I
Speaker 3: say everybody, Steve, I meet everybody, including Charles Schwab himself, Wobb,
Speaker 3: the College Division of Securities, everybody. Then that's still ongoing,
Speaker 3: by the way. Then after that I sued them for
Speaker 3: defamation of character, after I proved my innocence. Then Woke Wiser,
Speaker 3: Woke Wiser and Beta Bennett and Paulis the Democrats in charge.
Speaker 3: I say Woke Wiser because he's the age. He's the
Speaker 3: guy that did this to me. He revoked my licenses
Speaker 3: and shut down my business. And here's the kicker people
Speaker 3: got to you. If you read it on the internet,
Speaker 3: you're not going to see that. They accused me of
Speaker 3: stealing customers money. That's how this all started, Steve. That's
Speaker 3: the whole point. But my funeral arbitration that clears me.
Speaker 3: The judge blocked it three separate times in court. He
Speaker 3: won't allow it. Why because it says I didn't do
Speaker 3: anything dishonest, nothing dishonorable, nothing unethical, and they found no
Speaker 3: compliance issues. You can't go from that under the law
Speaker 3: to revoking my licenses and shutting down my business. All right,
Speaker 3: I didn't do anything willful, nothing willful, nothing dishonest, and
Speaker 3: I'm not a threat and a harm to the investing public.
Speaker 2: All right, we'll cut it there. So Jason, one more time,
Speaker 2: tell people how they can find you on social media.
Speaker 3: Social media is Clark for Colorado GOUGZ. The website is
Speaker 3: the same as my slogan, Let's make Colorado great again.
Speaker 2: All right, sounds good. Thanks Jason for coming on with us.
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll have you back on sometime in the near future.
Speaker 2: You definitely brought the fire good luck to you in
Speaker 2: your run in your run. And with that, we got
Speaker 2: to cut to break. You're listening to the Dan Cafless
Speaker 2: Show here with Well Kunny Sheriff Steve Riems as your
Speaker 2: guest host.
Speaker 5: And now back to the Dan Tapless Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Before we went to break, we had three time gubernatorial
Speaker 2: candidate for the state of Colorado, Jason Clark, on with us.
Speaker 2: He's in his third attempt here at trying to win
Speaker 2: the state over and during the break, we've got a
Speaker 2: few text messages and we've got a call quete up
Speaker 2: that we'll get to in just a second. But you
Speaker 2: send him in. We're going to read them as long
Speaker 2: as you keep from radio friendly. And so I'm going
Speaker 2: to read a couple of texts that came into my
Speaker 2: personal phone about the last interview. One of them says,
Speaker 2: this guy sounds like he might be just a little crazy,
Speaker 2: but at least he doesn't hate teachers. Here's another one,
Speaker 2: Oh man, he's on TikTok, he's got my vote. And
Speaker 2: then here's one, Steve, this guy needs to switch to decaf.
Speaker 2: I will say this, he was definitely not a boring interview.
Speaker 2: I told Jason to bring the fire when he came
Speaker 2: on the show, and he absolutely was a little fired up.
Speaker 2: So we've got Jay in Denver that wants to make
Speaker 2: some comments about Jason.
Speaker 4: Jay.
Speaker 2: Are you with us?
Speaker 6: Jay, I'm glad to talk to you, Sheriff.
Speaker 2: Glad to have you on. What do you think about
Speaker 2: that candidate?
Speaker 6: Well, if he wants to reproduce Obama's success, he has
Speaker 6: to work the Obama model. Obama did two things. One,
Speaker 6: he was a community organizer, so he had a grassroots
Speaker 6: community that he that he organized. And two, most importantly,
Speaker 6: he garnered the support of Oprah Winford and he along
Speaker 6: with other millionaires, few him as a young man who
Speaker 6: had a program, and he powered him right through being.
Speaker 2: Oh, Jay, I think we I think your phone cut out.
Speaker 6: Unless mister Clark captures the imagination of Elon Musk, who
Speaker 6: we might through his energy policies and energy and issues,
Speaker 6: I don't think he has a chance. He needs money
Speaker 6: to be the governor of Colorado.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't. I can't necessarily break with you on that, Jay.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think any race that you try to
Speaker 2: run on a state wide level takes cash. And you know,
Speaker 2: to your point, how do you develop that cash behind you?
Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you got to find you got to
Speaker 2: find a way to appeal to those folks that are
Speaker 2: willing to be willing to really chip in. Maybe Elon
Speaker 2: muskets involved. I don't know. I'll say this, he wasn't boring.
Speaker 6: That's true. That's very true. Let me say one of
Speaker 6: the things about that I'm observed, and that is that
Speaker 6: there are two Colorado is, almost two different states.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I know where you're going.
Speaker 6: The urban areas Colorado Springs, Denver, Boulder, they tend to
Speaker 6: be more democratic. In the other outlying areas they tend
Speaker 6: to be more of Republican Aspen, Burlington, those areas, so
Speaker 6: you get a different type of voter in those areas. Sure,
Speaker 6: the Republicans have to somehow appeal to the urban areas
Speaker 6: more than they have in the past.
Speaker 2: Do you think there's a particular message that resonates with
Speaker 2: the urban population a little.
Speaker 6: Better understanding the urban issues better? You know, urban voters
Speaker 6: aren't stupid. They can see that there's a dichotomy in
Speaker 6: the laws, enforcement of laws in the urban areas versus
Speaker 6: sure the farmland or the agrarian areas. One key example
Speaker 6: is as a as an urban liver.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Jay, we're going into a herd break, so
Speaker 2: I can't let you expand on that one. But thank
Speaker 2: you for calling in, and please call in again. We
Speaker 2: love having callers. We're going to go to break. When
Speaker 2: we come back, we're going to reset and we're gonna
Speaker 2: have George Brockler coming in to visit with us. But
Speaker 2: you're listening to the Dan Caplis Show here on six
Speaker 2: point thirty k how with well Keunty Sheriff Steve Rings.
Speaker 5: You're listening to the Dan Kaplis Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Back to the Dan Caplas show with Well County Sheriff
Speaker 2: Steve Rings setting in as a guest host today and
Speaker 2: on the line with us is one of our one
Speaker 2: of our favorites. It's a mister George Brockler from the
Speaker 2: twenty third Judicial District. He's going to tell us a
Speaker 2: little bit about a recent prosecution that he was successful with.
Speaker 2: But before you do that, or I have to share
Speaker 2: a text with you from one of the people that
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're going to know very well. This is Alexa.
Speaker 2: She's sent in a text even before I think we
Speaker 2: had you on the show, we had you booked. She says.
Speaker 2: George is a great storyteller. If the DA lawyer or
Speaker 2: talk show host gig goes away, he should read books.
Speaker 2: For audio recordings, he does fun voices. So I'm going
Speaker 2: to expect that you're going to have to throw some
Speaker 2: of that in here.
Speaker 4: Hoor Yeah. I don't know if I can pull that off.
Speaker 4: About he's thinking what I'm going to do next? Like that,
Speaker 4: she's already thinking what's he going to do next? Walk
Speaker 4: out here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've already buried you as the district attorney.
Speaker 4: So so George, now that Justin Smith is taking that
Speaker 4: sweet gig man. I mean I could hear it in
Speaker 4: your voice when you were interview him. That's sort of
Speaker 4: how the hell did you pull this off?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I thought there'd be a height requirement
Speaker 2: for that job, you know. And he definitely doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that he's going to do a great He's a great guy.
Speaker 2: He's going to do an excellent job out there. But George,
Speaker 2: I know recently you were on with Ryan I believe,
Speaker 2: talking on his show about a prosecution you had there
Speaker 2: in the twenty third Judicial District in reference to a
Speaker 2: child pornography case. If I'm not mistaken, that's what we're
Speaker 2: here to talk about today. Is that correct?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I sure hope so yeah. If there's more than one
Speaker 4: that's recent, big, I hope not. This is this is
Speaker 4: a great case, but it does kind of dovetail nicely
Speaker 4: with the conversation that you've had today about law enforcement
Speaker 4: and some of the limitations from the legislation and whatnot.
Speaker 4: This was a guy, twenty nine year old guy who
Speaker 4: got busted for having a child pornography. And I'm talking
Speaker 4: about salacious adult having sexual relations with infants, kind of
Speaker 4: child porn and he had so much child porn stored
Speaker 4: up in the cloud. And it was interesting because it
Speaker 4: was an out of the United States company that was
Speaker 4: doing this. It was an Asian company, and they had
Speaker 4: agreed with law enforcement, Hey, we're going to let you
Speaker 4: have one week worth of access to download all the
Speaker 4: stuff that this guy had stored up there. He was
Speaker 4: also distributing it. You know, these guys are all Afearence.
Speaker 4: It took them all week to download two hundred thousand images,
Speaker 4: and they could have kept going if they'd had more time.
Speaker 4: He had way more than two hundred thousand images of
Speaker 4: this stuff, and so he gets busted for that. It's
Speaker 4: an epic amount of child porn. I don't think I've
Speaker 4: ever seen anything quite quite that big in terms of numbers.
Speaker 4: But again to your point, the law is set up,
Speaker 4: especially in Colorado, to be very forgiving of sex offenders,
Speaker 4: especially sex offenders and children. So discussed the past, you've
Speaker 4: heard that the legislature was happy had the opportunity this
Speaker 4: year to finally say, hey, we're going to mandatory prison
Speaker 4: for child rapists. Because in Colorado you can rape a
Speaker 4: child once and get probation. In fact, you can rape
Speaker 4: ten different children one time each and get probation. Well,
Speaker 4: same here. You can have eight trillion images of child
Speaker 4: porn and still get probation. So this charge carried the
Speaker 4: potential for up to twenty four years in the Department
Speaker 4: of Corrections. But the guy could have walked out the door.
Speaker 4: So we were nervous, you know, I know my prosecutors,
Speaker 4: Abbie Haggarty, and they were like, what's going to happen?
Speaker 4: And the judge gave him four years. And that's where
Speaker 4: a lot of people theyd.
Speaker 2: Bee that's a win in the state.
Speaker 4: Well, I know it feels like a win, but you
Speaker 4: and I also know because of the crazy sentencing structure
Speaker 4: and with parole and all this other crap, this guy
Speaker 4: is going to be turned around. I mean, in a
Speaker 4: year or so, he'll be looking at community corrections, maybe less,
Speaker 4: and he'll be right back out there in our community.
Speaker 4: And so it's a win for us that we got that,
Speaker 4: but there is something definitely wrong with our loss.
Speaker 2: It's frustrating. You know, I was referencing the case in
Speaker 2: Idaho with Brian Koberger. You know that they take the
Speaker 2: death penalty off the table so that they can get
Speaker 2: a life sentence on him. You don't even have that
Speaker 2: option in this state. I mean that doesn't even know
Speaker 2: you can't even work in a case like that.
Speaker 4: Well in your neck of the woods, and people may
Speaker 4: not remember this. You remember that monster up there the
Speaker 4: hill is his name? The guy that killed his wife
Speaker 4: and his two little angel daughters and stuffed him in
Speaker 4: that Anadarko oil drum out there. What was that dude's name,
Speaker 4: Chris Watt.
Speaker 2: Chris Watt. He set in my jail and had a
Speaker 2: picture of his family on the on his jail cell wall,
Speaker 2: the family that he had murdered and disposed of, and
Speaker 2: he wasn't eligible for the death family.
Speaker 4: Well, no, no, no, no, remember this is this is
Speaker 4: the catch for this guy was eligible for that. But
Speaker 4: Michael ends up taking a plea much like this coburger guy.
Speaker 4: The family, the victim's family had come to Michael and
Speaker 4: begged him, please please make this case go away. Do
Speaker 4: not make it. I don't want to go Yeah, we
Speaker 4: don't want to do this, And so Michael does it.
Speaker 4: But you can't do that anymore. In Colorado. That case
Speaker 4: will and Coburgers will always end up in front of
Speaker 4: the community moving forward. And the proof of that, even
Speaker 4: if he might not have seen it is. I thought
Speaker 4: it is. You know, Mike Doherty, who's a legit prosecutor,
Speaker 4: a builder da up there. He ended up having to
Speaker 4: try that King Super's case where that dude went in
Speaker 4: there and cold bloodedly murdered ten people, right, and he
Speaker 4: never had the option to say, hey, plead guilty and
Speaker 4: go away, and we don't have to we don't have
Speaker 4: to do this. That's gone in Colorado.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's just frustrating because you know, I
Speaker 2: was talking about how Senator Fields was one of the
Speaker 2: votes casted to do away with the death penalty even
Speaker 2: though her son had been a victim of a very
Speaker 2: heinous crime himself. It's just it flies in the face
Speaker 2: of logic, and anyone that works in the law enforcement
Speaker 2: sphere has to just be completely frustrated. But again, getting
Speaker 2: four years on the case you described is a giant
Speaker 2: win in the state of Colorado right now.
Speaker 4: It's embarrassing to say that. And if it was four years,
Speaker 4: people could be like, Okay, four years. I get it.
Speaker 4: And keep in mind, and I said this on Ryan Show.
Speaker 4: If this dude looked at each image of child porn
Speaker 4: that he had for one second, he would sit in
Speaker 4: front of his computer for fifty five consecutive hours to
Speaker 4: be able to consume two hundred thousand images. That gives
Speaker 4: you some perspective on it. But there's now a ceiling
Speaker 4: above which you can go. So if someone goes along
Speaker 4: into sides, I'm going to set fire somewhere, and I'm
Speaker 4: going to shoot and pick off firefighters. And he kills
Speaker 4: two twelve twenty firefighters, or goes after cops or babies
Speaker 4: or nuns or whatever, he can kill as many people
Speaker 4: as he can dream of, and the State of Colorado says,
Speaker 4: don't worry, We're going to protect your life. But on
Speaker 4: other crimes, there's no floor below which you can fall,
Speaker 4: So you can rape a child, you can rape ten
Speaker 4: children and still walk out the door with probition. This,
Speaker 4: this state is broken in a way that I've and
Speaker 4: I grew up here, man, I've never seen it like this.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, even in the let's take the Boulder
Speaker 2: incident with the firebomber, you know you've got the crazy
Speaker 2: guy down there lighting people on fire, and you know
Speaker 2: they're going after him for everything they can get and
Speaker 2: hoping that none of those victims to come to their
Speaker 2: injuries and die Unfortunately Karen Diamond did just that. She
Speaker 2: passed away a few days ago. So now he's being
Speaker 2: charged with murder. But what changes, What changes, George.
Speaker 4: And nothing but get this part and you follow the legislature,
Speaker 4: so you get this. He gets charged with first degree murder,
Speaker 4: extreme indifference murder, and I've convicted guys of that. I
Speaker 4: convicted a career drunk driver who killed an Air Force
Speaker 4: colonel recently for that. Right. Legislature right now is out
Speaker 4: there working for ways to reduce extreme and difference murder
Speaker 4: from an F one a you go to lot to
Speaker 4: prison for a life charge, to something else and F
Speaker 4: two and F three further down the list. The minute
Speaker 4: they do that, this guy up in Boulder who's going
Speaker 4: to go to trial, going to get convicted and he's
Speaker 4: going to get a life sentence. They will go back
Speaker 4: to court on something called a thirty five se it's
Speaker 4: a rule term of art, and they'll say, Judge, the
Speaker 4: state has spoken, this isn't a life sentence anymore. Please
Speaker 4: reduce this sentence down to something else. And there will
Speaker 4: be judges that do it and those that don't. Then
Speaker 4: they'll just run to the governor and they'll say governor
Speaker 4: state spoken, this isn't a life charge anymore. So all
Speaker 4: of these things are part of a state effort because
Speaker 4: of the left that have control of our legislature and
Speaker 4: our state government, to make accountability less and less for
Speaker 4: the most heinous criminals out there.
Speaker 2: Well, and I think for the for the point of
Speaker 2: the listeners, is there truly if a person is truly
Speaker 2: sentenced to life in prison under our Department of Correction system,
Speaker 2: is that ever truly a life imprisonment?
Speaker 4: Yes? And that's the only charge like that, That is
Speaker 4: the only sentence where you know, categorically but for intervention
Speaker 4: by the governor's office or a judge, that person will
Speaker 4: die in prison. And that's it. And so they keep
Speaker 4: trying to carve away different charges like felony murder. Used
Speaker 4: to be the same thing. Felony murder. You go commit
Speaker 4: an armed robbery and kill someone during the process, you
Speaker 4: could get life in prison. Not anymore, not anymore. They
Speaker 4: took that out of the F one range, and they're
Speaker 4: going to keep whittling these things down. And what they're
Speaker 4: going to do. Their goal is to make life without
Speaker 4: parole the new death penalty, so that it's reserved for
Speaker 4: only your multiple murderers, your murderers of children, your murders
Speaker 4: a police officer, and every other quote unquote regular murder
Speaker 4: will be treated like a charge that you could get
Speaker 4: paroled from someday. That's their goal, which.
Speaker 2: We're seeing anyways. I mean, there's so many people that
Speaker 2: you think, how did this guy get out of prison
Speaker 2: one k He's been out of prison five or six years.
Speaker 2: It's just maddening. I have one other question for you, George,
Speaker 2: before we break away. How often are you seeing the
Speaker 2: same suspect appearing in court just a couple of months,
Speaker 2: you know, on a new charge. You know, he's arrested
Speaker 2: for a burglary, he's released on a pr bond, he's
Speaker 2: back in on a car theft three weeks later. How
Speaker 2: often are you seeing that in the twenty third judicial district.
Speaker 4: That's a fair question. And we're coming up on six
Speaker 4: months of being a judicial district and we've started to
Speaker 4: dive in on where are these offenders coming from and
Speaker 4: are they on bond and probation from somewhere else? And
Speaker 4: we do see repeat offenders, even some that get on bond,
Speaker 4: but the majority of the ones that we get that
Speaker 4: are committing offense as while under the supervision of the
Speaker 4: court are coming to us from up north. They're coming
Speaker 4: to us from Denver and Aurora and the other parts
Speaker 4: of the state that aren't us. In fact, listen to
Speaker 4: Sheriff Weekly this morning at a breakfast, we are at
Speaker 4: eighty percent of the people he has had in his
Speaker 4: jail over the past Harver of many years are not
Speaker 4: from Douglas County. Seventy five percent of the people we
Speaker 4: prosecute are not from Douglas County. That says something about
Speaker 4: the failed policies of the people in the metro area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's frustrating. And you know, we see the other
Speaker 2: effect from you know, the north edge of the Denver
Speaker 2: metro area. That's not to say there aren't criminals that
Speaker 2: are native to Weld County, but we get plenty of
Speaker 2: bleed over from you know, the Commerce City areas and others.
Speaker 2: And that's no knock on any of those police agencies
Speaker 2: down there. It's just it's a knock on the criminal
Speaker 2: justice system in the state of Colorado.
Speaker 4: I do not believe. I don't blame the police agencies
Speaker 4: and anybody that thinks that DPD These officers hardcore and
Speaker 4: aggressive they'd love to be, but the environment in which operate,
Speaker 4: they are given every signal and indication by the powers
Speaker 4: that be. It is better you not be proactive. It
Speaker 4: is better they should not be aggressive, because nobody punishes
Speaker 4: you for the crimes you don't stop or investigate, only
Speaker 4: go after you for the ones you do.
Speaker 2: It's exactly right, and it's disgusting. But George, I couldn't
Speaker 2: I couldn't appreciate you more for coming on and educating
Speaker 2: the listeners as to the state of what law enforcement is. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: it's you brought bad news and you didn't even use
Speaker 2: any funny voices.
Speaker 4: Sounds far do that in for Alexa. You're doing a
Speaker 4: great job on the radio. Man, I'm still subtly behind
Speaker 4: the scenes pitching them in the idea of the Sheriff
Speaker 4: and the DA some kind of a show. I don't
Speaker 4: know where they put it, probably two AM. But we're
Speaker 4: going to make this thing happen.
Speaker 2: I love it, so when we get a chance, we'll
Speaker 2: do it. George, keep up the fight in the twenty
Speaker 2: third and I'm glad to see you back doing that work.
Speaker 2: It's appreciated see you, sure, thanks, We'll see buddy with
Speaker 2: that we'll go to break and when we come back,
Speaker 2: we'll take our final cleanup of the second hour and
Speaker 2: wrap up the show. I'm sure we'll get some some
Speaker 2: comments from behind the glass, as we always do. But
Speaker 2: you're listening to the Dankaplass Show here on six point
Speaker 2: thirty k how with Weld Kenny, Sheriff Steve Rings.
Speaker 5: And now back to the Dan Taplass Show podcast.
Speaker 2: Thanks to the Dankapla Show. As we enter our last
Speaker 2: segment of the show, I'm getting ready to call it
Speaker 2: a night and head up to the Greeley Stampede for
Speaker 2: a rodeo. But I got a few texts coming. In
Speaker 2: the most recent one it says, fantastic show today. I
Speaker 2: appreciate that that's due to the people who call in,
Speaker 2: and that's due to our guests. Another one here, fantastic
Speaker 2: to have George Brockler on with your sheriff. Great segment.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate the feedback, and it's always good
Speaker 2: to have entertaining guests on. I have to say I
Speaker 2: think Jason Clark was an entertaining guest as well. But
Speaker 2: you know, I was asked, why why are we looking
Speaker 2: at governor's candidates? You know, are some of these people
Speaker 2: going to be relevant? And I think the reason for
Speaker 2: that is evidenced by what happens if we don't get
Speaker 2: a good governor from the Republican side. And I want
Speaker 2: to play an audio clip here that I think will
Speaker 2: highlight the gross importance for not allowing a Democrat to
Speaker 2: end up in the driver's seat of the governor's mansion. Again,
Speaker 2: if we could play cut fourteen, if anybody in there's listening.
Speaker 3: We did not get here if we inherited this fiscal
Speaker 3: situation that I believe.
Speaker 7: Well, you inherited from Donald Trump. That was here you did, mister,
Speaker 7: you you inherited from Donald Trump. He's the first president
Speaker 7: to come back after a four year hiatus after we
Speaker 7: know exactly what the last tax cuts did, which was
Speaker 7: blown a massive hole in our deficit of dead. You
Speaker 7: can't sit here and lie about that.
Speaker 4: It's true. The data.
Speaker 7: Do you coin a phrase. The data shows that that's result.
Speaker 7: The math shows that that is the result. No one
Speaker 7: on this side of the isle admits anymore or claims
Speaker 7: anymore that they didn't blow a huge hole in the deficit.
Speaker 4: They did.
Speaker 7: And now you're here saying to the American people let's
Speaker 7: double down on that.
Speaker 2: I can't take that guy. So that Senator Michael Bennett
Speaker 2: going back and forth with forth with Treasury Secretary Scott Bessen,
Speaker 2: and it's just it's a voice, it's his attitude, it's
Speaker 2: his condescension and everybody everybody talks with. Can you imagine
Speaker 2: four years of that guy's governor? I mean, I gotta
Speaker 2: be I'll be completely honest with you. The years of
Speaker 2: Polis as governor have been difficult because he talks out
Speaker 2: of both sides of his mouth. He'll tell you something
Speaker 2: that is obviously not true, like you know, Colorado's not
Speaker 2: a sanctuary state, and because he says that, you're supposed
Speaker 2: to believe it, but at least he says it with
Speaker 2: a little bit of decorum. Michael Bennett just he just
Speaker 2: can't stand it. It drives me nuts. I can't imagine
Speaker 2: four years of this guy. So yes, we're gonna give
Speaker 2: governor's candidates an opportunity to come on this radio and
Speaker 2: hopefully find that lightning in a bottle because it's gotta
Speaker 2: be better than what awaits us on the other side
Speaker 2: of the aisle. Michael Bennett cannot be the future of Colorado.
Speaker 2: It just can't happen. And the other thing, maybe we
Speaker 2: keep bringing these governor candidates on and finally Dan Kapla says,
Speaker 2: you know what, I got to be the guy I'm
Speaker 2: gonna jump in. That's probably a pie in the sky dream,
Speaker 2: but a guy can hope. And I think Dan would
Speaker 2: make a fantastic candidate, and I'm gonna keep saying that
Speaker 2: until he finally jumps into the race. Tomorrow, we're gonna
Speaker 2: have two more governor's candidates. We're gonna have Bryce and Garrison.
Speaker 2: We're also gonna have Greg Lopez, one that many of
Speaker 2: you may know. So we'll have a few other guests,
Speaker 2: Laura Carno and an individual named Scott Slow that wants
Speaker 2: to run against Colleen Whitlow for that HD sixty four seat.
Speaker 2: You're watching it play out here right on the Dankapli
Speaker 2: Show with Well Kenny Sheriff. Steve Raims is your guest host,
Speaker 2: and thanks for tuning in today and we'll talk to
Speaker 2: you tomorrow. How about