Speaker 1: Using free speech to free minds. You're listening to the
Speaker 1: David Knight Show. Happy Thanksgiving. It's Thanksgiving twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: and there is much to be thankful for. You know,
Speaker 1: it was only four years ago that America under Trump
Speaker 1: was locking down churches, and three years ago under Biden,
Speaker 1: we had people faced with injecting an unknown toxin or
Speaker 1: losing their job. This year, we have enjoyed liberty and
Speaker 1: peace while we choose between the people who did that
Speaker 1: to us.
Speaker 2: We're thankful to God for this relative liberty and peace
Speaker 2: that we've enjoyed, and we pray for God's protection from
Speaker 2: the new evils that they're looking to unleash on us.
Speaker 2: Today we're going to take a look at our country's
Speaker 2: history and it's Thanksgivings, and we have the best of
Speaker 2: interviews on taxes with Joe Banister and on climate scams
Speaker 2: with Steve molloy. Stay with us, we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge
Speaker 2: the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to
Speaker 2: be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his
Speaker 2: protection and favor. And whereas both Houses of Congress have
Speaker 2: by their joint Committee requested me to recommend to the
Speaker 2: people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving
Speaker 2: and prayer to be observed by acknowledging, with grateful hearts
Speaker 2: the many signal favors of Almighty God, especially them an
Speaker 2: opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their
Speaker 2: safety and happiness. Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday,
Speaker 2: the twenty sixth of November next to be devoted by
Speaker 2: the people of these States to the service of that
Speaker 2: great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of
Speaker 2: all good that was, that is, or that will be.
Speaker 2: That we may then all unite in rendering under Him
Speaker 2: our sincere and humble thinks, for his kind care and
Speaker 2: protection of the people of this country previous to their
Speaker 2: becoming a nation, for the signal and manifold mercies and
Speaker 2: the favorable interpositions of His providence which we experience, and
Speaker 2: the course and the conclusion of the late war, And
Speaker 2: for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which
Speaker 2: we have since enjoyed. For the peaceful and rational manner
Speaker 2: in which we have been enabled to establish constitutions government
Speaker 2: for our safety and happiness, and particularly the nation one
Speaker 2: now lately instituted, for the civil and religious liberty with
Speaker 2: which we are blessed, and the means we have of
Speaker 2: acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge, and in general, for all
Speaker 2: the great and various favors which He hath been pleased
Speaker 2: to confer upon us. Also that we may then unite
Speaker 2: in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the
Speaker 2: Great Lord and Ruler of nations, and beseech him to
Speaker 2: pardon our national and other transgressions, to enable us, all,
Speaker 2: whether in public or private stations, to perform our several
Speaker 2: and relative duties properly and punctually. To render our national
Speaker 2: government of blessing to all the people, by constantly being
Speaker 2: a government of wise, just and constitutional laws, discreetly and
Speaker 2: faithfully executed and open bad to protect and guide all
Speaker 2: sovereigns and nations, especially those that have shown kindness to us,
Speaker 2: and to bless them with good government, peace and concord.
Speaker 2: To promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue,
Speaker 2: and the increase of science among them and us, And
Speaker 2: to generally grant unto all mankind such a degree of
Speaker 2: temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best given
Speaker 2: under my hand. At the City of New York, the
Speaker 2: third day of October and the year of Our Lord,
Speaker 2: seventeen eighty nine, George Washington. Well, you know, when we
Speaker 2: look at this, we talk about making America great again?
Speaker 2: Don't we will God make America grateful again? That was
Speaker 2: our first president. Very different from our last and current presidents.
Speaker 2: Isn't you know? God blessed this country because people are
Speaker 2: grateful to Him for the blessing of liberty. Now he
Speaker 2: talked about year of our Lord. Which Lord? Would that be?
Speaker 2: The Lord that we mark time from? The Lord Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about Thanksgiving. Let's talk
Speaker 2: about God's project, the sixteen twenty project. You know, We've
Speaker 2: got we have a PBS, we have the New York Times,
Speaker 2: we have academia and media are focused on removing God.
Speaker 2: A good example of that is this PBS documentary to
Speaker 2: rewrite History, to take God out of the picture. Listen
Speaker 2: to this trailer for a very expensive and slick production
Speaker 2: produced with your taxpayer dollars.
Speaker 3: If you ask people where does America start, they'll say
Speaker 3: it starts in Plymouth, Rock.
Speaker 2: There's more to the story than the story.
Speaker 4: We all know.
Speaker 5: They were a very small group of very extreme people.
Speaker 1: They weren't the people that you would expect to be
Speaker 1: found in a new colony.
Speaker 5: There's a sense that they came to America in search
Speaker 5: of religious freedom.
Speaker 2: They didn't the Pilgrims on American Experience. Yeah, there's a sense.
Speaker 2: There's a sense, isn't it that they came to America
Speaker 2: for religious freedom?
Speaker 5: But they didn't.
Speaker 2: Oh really, you know better? Right? You know the problem
Speaker 2: is that we have the diaries from the people. We
Speaker 2: have lots of original history. This is not something that
Speaker 2: we have to read tea leaves or go through archaeological
Speaker 2: digs to figure out they kept diaries. PBS knows that
Speaker 2: you're not going to read those diaries, so they can
Speaker 2: lie to you about it. That American Experience quote unquote
Speaker 2: was done before they started the sixteen nineteen project, I believe.
Speaker 2: So they tried to tell you, well, you know, we
Speaker 2: all think of America as beginning with the Pilgrims, and
Speaker 2: for good reason, the Mayflower. But we're going to tell
Speaker 2: you that all that was wrong. We're going to remove
Speaker 2: God from the picture. And then with the Project sixteen
Speaker 2: nineteen of the New York Times. What they did was
Speaker 2: they removed the Pilgrims in Mayflower from history. They relocated
Speaker 2: the founding of America from people who were seeking freedom
Speaker 2: from religious persecution, who just sought to live a life
Speaker 2: of independence with their families, away from religious persecution, and
Speaker 2: they changed it to Jamestown sixteen nineteen Project sixteen nineteen.
Speaker 2: Why did they do that well, because Jamestown was a
Speaker 2: very different colony. Jamestown was more focused on economics. People
Speaker 2: a lot of people who went to Jason and it
Speaker 2: was only after the initial first few years that they
Speaker 2: actually started bringing families. For the most part, there are
Speaker 2: people who are trying to make an economic start for themselves.
Speaker 2: Many of them came as indentured servants. After a few years,
Speaker 2: they replaced the European indentured servants who could work their
Speaker 2: way out. They replaced them with chattel slavery, African slaves.
Speaker 2: And so that's what they want to focus on with America.
Speaker 2: So four hundred years later, those who seek to destroy
Speaker 2: our nation are busy destroying both its history and it's
Speaker 2: Christian principles. And that America was shaped by Christian principles. Now,
Speaker 2: the leaders were not perfect, you know, and they did
Speaker 2: not follow those principles, but that was what they aspired to.
Speaker 2: And look, none of us are perfect either, none of us.
Speaker 2: So when they go back, you go back and say, well, look,
Speaker 2: their theology was wrong here or there, or they didn't
Speaker 2: do this, or they didn't do that, or they kept
Speaker 2: slaves or they did whatever. Yeah, they were hypocrites, just
Speaker 2: as we are all hypocrites. But they aspired to Christian
Speaker 2: principles and it was those Christian principles that laid the
Speaker 2: foundation for our country legally as well as culturally. So
Speaker 2: today we're going to talk about Thanksgiving and they're going
Speaker 2: to have some best of interviews that'll finish the rest
Speaker 2: of the program today. But you know, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of different lessons that we can take from Thanksgiving and
Speaker 2: that have been done in the past. We could talk
Speaker 2: about Thanksgiving and the triumph of private property and personal
Speaker 2: responsibility over the tragedy of the commons. That's something that's
Speaker 2: been very popular with conservatives to talk about, and it
Speaker 2: is true. You know, when pilgrims landed, they went through
Speaker 2: some very severe times. As Bradford Another's point out look
Speaker 2: you know, we nearly starved because first of all, they
Speaker 2: came relying on God and not really knowing much about agriculture.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about that in a moment. But they also
Speaker 2: wanted to have everything in common. They're Christians, so it
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, we're all Christians, so let's not
Speaker 2: have everything in common. And the problem is is that's
Speaker 2: the tragedy of the commons. Nobody had the private property
Speaker 2: of the personal responsibility to make this stuff happen. And
Speaker 2: guess what, it didn't happen, and so they changed. Everybody's
Speaker 2: gonna have a plot of land that's gonna be your land.
Speaker 2: You're gonna grow your food. If you've got extra food,
Speaker 2: you can help the people who didn't do a good job.
Speaker 2: But everybody's gonna work on this. That was an important lesson.
Speaker 2: Russian Limbo used to talk about that on a regular basis.
Speaker 2: That was kind of his take on Thanksgiving, and that's
Speaker 2: an important lesson, and it's a true lesson. We could
Speaker 2: also talk about the peace and the harmony of different
Speaker 2: tongues and tribes to make a unified nation. Eventually, that
Speaker 2: was the narrative in the mid twentieth century when I
Speaker 2: was growing up, it was very popular America as a
Speaker 2: melting pot different cultures coming together for a common nation
Speaker 2: to build that nation that was the America of the
Speaker 2: immigrants of my parents' generation and the ones before that.
Speaker 2: They would come to America because they wanted to join America.
Speaker 2: They didn't want to just they wanted to they embraced
Speaker 2: American values. They weren't just coming so they could have
Speaker 2: the material wealth that we have, but they wanted to
Speaker 2: become Americans, not just come for economic reasons and head
Speaker 2: back to wherever they came from, or not just to
Speaker 2: take over, but they wanted to embrace the values that
Speaker 2: they had seen in this country. That was a very
Speaker 2: real narrative, and in this story you could see the
Speaker 2: Pilgrims and the Indians coming together. This is the way
Speaker 2: that it was typically taught to me in the government
Speaker 2: school at that time. They would talk about how these
Speaker 2: two different groups had come together. They would build and
Speaker 2: use each other's strengths and build something that was stronger
Speaker 2: than what they had individually, take the best from each other.
Speaker 2: But that is totally different from what we're taught today today.
Speaker 2: The communists who run our institutions are determined to enhance
Speaker 2: our differences and to make us hate each other for
Speaker 2: those differences, instead of coming together and becoming stronger, taking
Speaker 2: the best that each of us have, and creating something
Speaker 2: that is new. That was what America was always about.
Speaker 2: But today every difference is magnified and used to divide
Speaker 2: us because as how the communists seek to the story
Speaker 2: of this country, so that narratives somewhat diminished. And they
Speaker 2: didn't just come together. If you go back and you
Speaker 2: look at the history, they didn't just come together for
Speaker 2: a meal and then start shooting at each other. They
Speaker 2: lived together peacefully for fifty five years, from sixteen twenty
Speaker 2: to sixteen seventy five until they had King Phillips. Or Yes,
Speaker 2: it was not perfect, because human beings are not perfect.
Speaker 2: There were encroachments on both sides. There'd be flare ups
Speaker 2: and other crimes, and you know, within their communities of course,
Speaker 2: but then when it was between the two different communities,
Speaker 2: that's when things got a little bit more complicated. But
Speaker 2: they ironed out those differences and they had peace. Like
Speaker 2: I said, for fifty five years, that's not too bad.
Speaker 2: That's a couple of generations. Do we do that well today?
Speaker 2: You know, God never talks about different races. By the way, right,
Speaker 2: these are two tribes coming out. He had the tribes
Speaker 2: of the Pilgrims, and he had some of the Indian tribes,
Speaker 2: several different Indian tribes that were there. And the Indian
Speaker 2: tribes had differences amongst themselves. They were not I'm a
Speaker 2: genius group that was always at peace with each other either.
Speaker 2: And so you have different tribes, you have different tongues,
Speaker 2: and that's the way God describes us. God does not
Speaker 2: talk about different races in the Bible. He talks about nations, tongues,
Speaker 2: and tribes. You know, Michael Savage talks about borders, language,
Speaker 2: and culture. I don't know if he got that from
Speaker 2: the Bible. You know, this is something that runs throughout
Speaker 2: the Bible. I don't know if he got it from
Speaker 2: that or if he just got it from observation. Because
Speaker 2: it's true. It's true, and so he could have noticed
Speaker 2: that himself where he could have gotten it from the
Speaker 2: ancient writings. But it's true nevertheless, And so God goes
Speaker 2: on further. I mean, we don't have different races. He
Speaker 2: has made all nations of one blood. We're all descended
Speaker 2: from Adam and later from Noah. So we have different
Speaker 2: political entities, we have different cultures, we have different languages,
Speaker 2: but we're all created in the image of God. We're
Speaker 2: all of one blood. That was how the Pilgrims saw it.
Speaker 2: They sought to help people with a Christian religion by
Speaker 2: spreading it. But we could look at that aspect of
Speaker 2: the peace and harmony of different tongues and tribes coming
Speaker 2: together to form a nation. There's going to be greater
Speaker 2: than the sum of the two parts. We could also
Speaker 2: look at it as the historical significance of the mayf
Speaker 2: Ower Compact, or is it's more accurately described the may
Speaker 2: Flower Combination. This is the document that they put together
Speaker 2: themselves and they realized that they were out of the
Speaker 2: legal jurisdiction of where they were headed, and they didn't
Speaker 2: have anything to govern themselves. But it really wasn't so
Speaker 2: much a political document. It was a groundbreaking moment, a
Speaker 2: groundbreaking document because it was the first time that people
Speaker 2: had come together voluntarily to create something that would eventually
Speaker 2: become the instruments of governance. You know, it is there
Speaker 2: as the foundation that was later built upon with the
Speaker 2: Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Many other things. Here's
Speaker 2: what they wrote when they realized they weren't a place
Speaker 2: that they had not intended to go, and that there
Speaker 2: was no contract, no legal definition of how they were
Speaker 2: to operate. This is what they said. So just keep
Speaker 2: in mind what the American experience, what PBS is telling you.
Speaker 2: They didn't do this because of religion. Oh really, did
Speaker 2: they even bother to read the Mayflower Combination or the Compact,
Speaker 2: if you will, in the name of God, Amen, that's
Speaker 2: how they begin it. We whose names are underwritten the
Speaker 2: loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord, King James, by
Speaker 2: the grace of God, of Great Britain, France and Ireland,
Speaker 2: King Defender of the Faith, et cetera, having undertaken, for
Speaker 2: the glory of God and the advancement of the Christian
Speaker 2: Faith and the honor of our King and country, a
Speaker 2: voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts
Speaker 2: of Virginia, Do, by these presents solemnly and mutually end
Speaker 2: the presence of God and one another covenant, and combine
Speaker 2: ourselves together into a civil body politic for our better
Speaker 2: ordering and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid, and
Speaker 2: by virtue Hereo do enact, constitute, and frame such just
Speaker 2: and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and officers, from time
Speaker 2: to time as shall be thought most meet and convenient
Speaker 2: for the general good of the colony, unto which we
Speaker 2: promise all due submission and obedience and witness. Whereof we
Speaker 2: have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the eleventh
Speaker 2: of November, and the reign of our Sovereign Lord, King
Speaker 2: James of England, France and Ireland, the eighteenth end of
Speaker 2: Scotland the fifty fourth no domini that means year of
Speaker 2: our Lord, sixteen twenty. So the Mayflower Compact is America's
Speaker 2: foundational document. PBS wants you to believe that had nothing
Speaker 2: to do with God. You didn't hear anything about God
Speaker 2: in there, did you? Evidently? PBS didn't. They have a
Speaker 2: much shorter document that they redacted God from, evidently, as
Speaker 2: well as from all the diaries and recorded history of
Speaker 2: the time. As Wilmore Kendall and George Carey said in
Speaker 2: their book Basic Symbols, the Compact is a symbol around
Speaker 2: which both the Declaration of Independence and the co Constitution
Speaker 2: is built upon. It did not have a formal title,
Speaker 2: as the Declaration of Independence. It was referred to by
Speaker 2: the people who live there and their descendants as not
Speaker 2: by the compact, but by the combination. Let me see,
Speaker 2: when I was saying that we do hereby covenant and
Speaker 2: combine ourselves, and so they called it the combination. And
Speaker 2: that's how it was referred to by that community and
Speaker 2: the people who lived there up until the seventeen nineties,
Speaker 2: and then it was referred to as the Mayflower Compact.
Speaker 2: Many people who look at that believe that it was
Speaker 2: that was more of a reflection of a more secularized
Speaker 2: view of this. They could have called it the Covenant,
Speaker 2: but I think they were out of respect. They would
Speaker 2: look at you covenant as being something that was more religious,
Speaker 2: so they called it the combination. But bottom line is
Speaker 2: that this is more than just about semantics. The combination
Speaker 2: was really about creating a society even more so than
Speaker 2: a form of government, the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution
Speaker 2: would add more political theories and ideas and political structures
Speaker 2: at a later time, but that was really what it
Speaker 2: was built upon. There was an interesting comment on all
Speaker 2: this by a history professor from Hillsdale College, Bradley Burser.
Speaker 2: He's a Roman Cathol, and he points out, he says,
Speaker 2: this could never have been composed by anyone but the
Speaker 2: most Protestant of Protestants. Indeed, even as a practicing Roman Catholic,
Speaker 2: I have a hard time imagining the same scene being
Speaker 2: played out by French, Spanish or Portuguese settlers. No, this
Speaker 2: is one of the great fruits of Protestantism, and it's
Speaker 2: probably one that we Catholics should take the heart, especially
Speaker 2: as we continue to struggle over issues or religious freedom
Speaker 2: and freedom of conscience in our rather fallen world of
Speaker 2: the twenty first century. He goes on, He says, importantly,
Speaker 2: the authors of the combination never assert the existence of
Speaker 2: a quote state of nature, you know, walk in obsien
Speaker 2: ideas that came later, by the way. Instead, they recognize
Speaker 2: that they are beholden to Scripture, to tradition, to a
Speaker 2: hierarchical authority, and to the English common law. And yet
Speaker 2: they were not prepared either to destroy these ties nor
Speaker 2: to leave them out completely. Instead, they looked out upon
Speaker 2: what they considered to be a virgin land, a promised
Speaker 2: land of sorts. Here they could take the best of
Speaker 2: the past, but they could implement it as they so desired.
Speaker 2: Would it be good if we were to do the
Speaker 2: same thing today? All around the world we have statues
Speaker 2: being destroyed, monuments being destroyed. The foundations of our society
Speaker 2: are being destroyed by Marxists who look for any imperfection
Speaker 2: or hypocrisy in the lives of the people who laid
Speaker 2: down the foundations of our society in order to destroy
Speaker 2: our society. The wise path is to always take the
Speaker 2: good aspects of what went before us, eat the chicken
Speaker 2: and leave the bones if you will. You know, you
Speaker 2: can take a look at Martin Luther King, for example,
Speaker 2: and you could focus on his plagiarism. He could focus
Speaker 2: on his infidelities. You could focus on what many people
Speaker 2: have pointed out, or some socialist tendencies of himself. Or
Speaker 2: you could take a look at his speeches, his inspirational
Speaker 2: speeches where he said we should judge people by the
Speaker 2: content of their character rather than the color of their skin.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be nice if we were to do that today?
Speaker 2: That is antithetical to what the left wants to do today.
Speaker 2: So we take the best from people, We try to
Speaker 2: ignore the imperfections that are always there. Whether you're talking
Speaker 2: about Martin Luther King or Thomas Jefferson. We try to
Speaker 2: ignore those perfections and take the wisdom from their life,
Speaker 2: learn the lessons from their life. That's what we ought
Speaker 2: to do, but we don't do that. So he goes
Speaker 2: on to say he was at Hillsdale College. He always
Speaker 2: likes to do a lecture on the Mayflower Combination. He says,
Speaker 2: As I prepared the lecture, I racked my brain trying
Speaker 2: to remember an example of another earlier assertion of self government.
Speaker 2: Had the Greeks done it or the Jews. No, they
Speaker 2: had already relied upon a law giver. The Romans asserted
Speaker 2: something in five nine BC, but I'm not sure that
Speaker 2: it had quite the same texture. That's what the Pilgrims
Speaker 2: did in sixteen twenty. I really couldn't come up with
Speaker 2: a significant example. For all intents and purposes, the Plymouth
Speaker 2: Combination is the first real assertion of the right of
Speaker 2: self governance in the modern Western world, and one of
Speaker 2: the most important in any time or place. As Kendall
Speaker 2: and carry wisely claim, the sixteen to twenty document did
Speaker 2: not need to assert any rights overtly as rights. Instead,
Speaker 2: the very short paragraph the document as a whole is
Speaker 2: an assertion of the right. It is a basic symbol. Indeed,
Speaker 2: that's the name of their book, Basic Symbols. So it
Speaker 2: drew on the religious roots of America that can be
Speaker 2: seen in the Pilgrims in the Mayflower combination. Did the Constitution?
Speaker 2: You know, the Constitution begins we the people, and then
Speaker 2: it goes into the purpose of the Constitution. One of
Speaker 2: the key ones is to secure the blessings of liberty
Speaker 2: for ourselves and our prosperity. You know, atheists don't talk
Speaker 2: about blessings. You won't see PBS talking about blessings, not
Speaker 2: at all. A blessing is something that is given who
Speaker 2: gives it. We have an inscription on the Liberty bell.
Speaker 2: It's inscribed with Leviticus twenty five ten and it reads,
Speaker 2: proclaim liberty throughout the land to all inhabitants thereof. Now
Speaker 2: the context there of what was being talked about in
Speaker 2: Leviticus twenty five. The context was about the year of Jubilee.
Speaker 2: Every fiftieth year they would have all debts would be canceled.
Speaker 2: All the indentured slaves, indentured servants, however you want to
Speaker 2: call it, would be set free. It was a year
Speaker 2: of Jubilee, and that was that inscription was put on
Speaker 2: the liberty. Bell founders of America from sixteen twenty to
Speaker 2: the creation of the Constitution saw liberty as a blessing,
Speaker 2: as a gift from God. Made it clear over and
Speaker 2: over again. And the second half of that to ourselves
Speaker 2: and to our p posterity. So when we look at
Speaker 2: the pilgrims, we look at the founders of this nation,
Speaker 2: they were very different in their perspective than our society
Speaker 2: is today. They were focused on their children. Their hearts
Speaker 2: were turned to their children, and in the Bible we
Speaker 2: always see that as an indication of God's movement and
Speaker 2: a people. God moves them to blessing by turning their
Speaker 2: hearts toward their children. That makes a big difference in
Speaker 2: the way that you behave, the way that you think,
Speaker 2: the way that you build a life. Instead, in our
Speaker 2: society and a time of decadence and degradation, people of
Speaker 2: our society who become lovers of self. So that's the
Speaker 2: kind of society that the Bible always points at as
Speaker 2: a society that is setting itself up for judgment instead
Speaker 2: of for blessing. If and when God changes our hearts
Speaker 2: turns them towards our children. Then he'll be preparing us
Speaker 2: to bless us. We can see that in the Pilgrims
Speaker 2: and in the founders of this country. But today I
Speaker 2: want to talk about something else that is rarely talked about,
Speaker 2: even in conservative circles. People will talk about the legal
Speaker 2: issues and the precedents and the historical importance of the
Speaker 2: Mayflower Compact or the combination. They will talk about the
Speaker 2: peace and community. They don't do that too much anymore.
Speaker 2: Between the Indians and the Pilgrims. They'll talk about the
Speaker 2: econo aspects. That's really where conservatives focused today because we're
Speaker 2: all about the money, right, Hey, it's the economy, stupid.
Speaker 2: Everything is about the money. But I want to talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about God's providence and care in this story,
Speaker 2: because I think that's the real lesson. That is far
Speaker 2: more important than the triumph of private property and personal
Speaker 2: responsibility over the tragedy of the commons. It's far more
Speaker 2: important than groups of people cooperating and coming together peacefully.
Speaker 2: It's far more important than any legal document, no matter
Speaker 2: how much of a precedent it sets. And that's God's
Speaker 2: providence and care. So that was what was foremost in
Speaker 2: the minds of the pilgrims as well. And if you
Speaker 2: were to talk to them, or if you read their writing,
Speaker 2: there's one way to talk to them if you will
Speaker 2: listen to them. If you listen to them, you'll see
Speaker 2: that they're not bragging about what they did. They give
Speaker 2: the glory to God. They honor God. They would say
Speaker 2: that and did say it over and over again. Today
Speaker 2: in many ways, we are like them. We are pilgrims
Speaker 2: and strangers on this earth. That is a Christian idea.
Speaker 2: In our journey. We also need to acknowledge how we
Speaker 2: need God. We also need to look to Him to
Speaker 2: provision and for providence as they did, and we need
Speaker 2: to honor Him when he provides. So, you know, I
Speaker 2: look at this and a lot of people in America
Speaker 2: we've had so many immigrants slightly and a lot of
Speaker 2: people say, you know, they're hyphenated Americans or whatever said
Speaker 2: in the past. When I first met Karen, she was
Speaker 2: from New York and she was second generation of people
Speaker 2: who had come some of them from hole On, some
Speaker 2: of them from Italy. And so when we met, she
Speaker 2: asked me, where are you from? You know, wait, you
Speaker 2: mean I'm from America. I'm just an American. I don't
Speaker 2: know where they came from. I never did go back
Speaker 2: and look, I don't know if I have any any
Speaker 2: physical connection to the people who were there at the Mayflower,
Speaker 2: or if it was to somebody who came later. You know,
Speaker 2: quite frankly, it doesn't matter. A lot of people would
Speaker 2: get very precious about all that. Oh, I'm descended from
Speaker 2: so and so right, or I'm descended from this person
Speaker 2: who was a passenger on the Mayflower. What difference does
Speaker 2: that make, especially four hundred years later, any kind of
Speaker 2: physical genetic connection that we have to these people has
Speaker 2: been so diluted. If we could go back in our
Speaker 2: family trees and our genealogy and find a connection to it,
Speaker 2: it's been so deluded it doesn't make any sense anymore.
Speaker 2: It's not worth talking about. But there are other ways
Speaker 2: that we could see ourselves as connected to them, and
Speaker 2: I feel a stronger kinship to them from a spiritual standpoint,
Speaker 2: forget about the physical standpoint. Any of us, by the way,
Speaker 2: regardless of the nation, tongue, or tribe, even if you're
Speaker 2: in another country, you could feel a kind of kinship
Speaker 2: with them. If you see yourself as a pilgrim and
Speaker 2: a stranger in this land who is dependent on the
Speaker 2: providence of God. So I want to just briefly go
Speaker 2: over you know, what is providence? How did the hand
Speaker 2: of providence guide and protect the Pilgrims? What are the
Speaker 2: lessons for those of us who live today, especially for
Speaker 2: Americans who seek comfort and ease above everything else. And
Speaker 2: then how do we pass this on to our kid
Speaker 2: That's why I've got this thing up here to talk
Speaker 2: a little bit about what we used to do with
Speaker 2: our kids. So what is providence? Well, the dictionary will
Speaker 2: define it as care or preparation in advance, foresight, or
Speaker 2: divine direction. And I think all of these things are
Speaker 2: seen in the story of the Pilgrims. We can see
Speaker 2: the care, the preparation in advanced by God. We can
Speaker 2: see his foresight and his divine direction. I have a
Speaker 2: different definition of providence. I kind of think of it
Speaker 2: as a chain of stealth miracles, things that you wouldn't
Speaker 2: recognize as a miracle. They seem pretty ordinary. If you
Speaker 2: looked at any one of them, you'd say, well, you know,
Speaker 2: or even just a couple of them together, you'd say, well,
Speaker 2: it's just a coincidence of these things happen. Well, that's
Speaker 2: really nice, but it just happened. Happenstance. Now, you know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes God will answer a prayer miraculously. Sometimes he'll heal
Speaker 2: people miraculously. I have two volumes of books about verified
Speaker 2: eyewitness stories about miraculous healings. Many of them just you know,
Speaker 2: based on prayer. You know, some of them radio station,
Speaker 2: some one calls in and they're in a serious condition.
Speaker 2: They put out a prayer and there's an amazing healing
Speaker 2: that happens after that. So God will sometimes do that.
Speaker 2: He still does that, He's still in the miracle business.
Speaker 2: I would I always recommend that you read diaries of
Speaker 2: people who have been able to experience that type of
Speaker 2: provision and miraculous work. But a lot of times it's
Speaker 2: just a series of little things that happen.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: George Muller is a good example of somebody who had
Speaker 2: was used by God. Sometimes, you know, he would be
Speaker 2: out of money completely. He had orphans that he had
Speaker 2: stepped up to take care of and he was absolutely penniless.
Speaker 2: Orphans were a very big problem in Victorian England that
Speaker 2: Charles Dickens would write about all the time, he took
Speaker 2: them in to feed them, to give them an education,
Speaker 2: to give them a moral foundation. He took the responsibility
Speaker 2: for them, but he gave the responsibility for taking care
Speaker 2: of them to God. And so one day, just one example,
Speaker 2: but one of the most interesting examples, I think, but
Speaker 2: he had several of these. I won't say just this
Speaker 2: one one. But they had absolutely no money, had a
Speaker 2: couple dozen orphans at the time. It got to be
Speaker 2: a very very large enterprise eventually, and he never became rich,
Speaker 2: but he prayed because they had no food. And pretty
Speaker 2: soon there was a knock in the door and there
Speaker 2: was a guy who's who just came with some bread.
Speaker 2: He had some extra bread and it was left over,
Speaker 2: so he just brought it to the door, so they
Speaker 2: had bread. Shortly after that, he gets another knock on
Speaker 2: the door and there's a guy with a milk truck
Speaker 2: and it broke down in front of their house, and
Speaker 2: so they all had milk provided for them that day
Speaker 2: as well. Now you can look at that you say, well,
Speaker 2: it's just a coincidence, or you could say it's providential
Speaker 2: or miraculous. But I think you know, when we look
Speaker 2: at a lot of ordinary things that happened. Sometimes we
Speaker 2: can go back and we can say, well, what's the
Speaker 2: chance of that happened. What's the chance of this guy
Speaker 2: breaking down in front of his house with a lot
Speaker 2: of milk that's going to spoil he just gives it
Speaker 2: to them because he can't do anything with it. Or
Speaker 2: the same thing with the guy with the bread. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, either one of those things could have happened.
Speaker 2: And yet for both of them to happen, and for
Speaker 2: both of them to happen after he had prayed for
Speaker 2: food and you know, for bread and milk, that is
Speaker 2: a little bit different. So you want to call that
Speaker 2: a miracle, you want to call it providence. So, without
Speaker 2: going into detail of the story of both the Pilgrims
Speaker 2: and of Squanto, these are a couple of different stories
Speaker 2: that intertwine with each other. That's one of the things
Speaker 2: that I find interesting about the story of Thanksgiving and
Speaker 2: the Pilgrims. They both went through tremendous hardship and God
Speaker 2: interwove their stories together to combine them. You know, we
Speaker 2: talked about the Mayfiwer combination. This is the combination, the
Speaker 2: combination that God does how he changes things in their
Speaker 2: life shapes them by the difficult things in their life
Speaker 2: and then brings them together to build something that's even bigger.
Speaker 2: It really embodies all of those previous things that I
Speaker 2: talked about, but a much more important way. The financial
Speaker 2: aspects of it, the combination aspects of it, building of
Speaker 2: a common thing with disparate people, different backgrounds, different nations,
Speaker 2: tongues and tribes. So you know, when the Pilgrims came,
Speaker 2: they had gone through a very difficult time of religious persecution.
Speaker 2: They had been jailed, they had lost property, they had
Speaker 2: to flee. They fled to Holland. There in Holland, they
Speaker 2: were left alone. It was a very rich and secular country,
Speaker 2: very much like America today and in that regard, so
Speaker 2: they didn't bother with them. They frankly didn't care too
Speaker 2: much about it. And so the pilgrim stayed there for
Speaker 2: a while. But then they started realized that there was
Speaker 2: something that was very seductive in this secular materialism.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 2: There was also an immorality that was hanging around. They
Speaker 2: felt that they would lose their kids, so they decided
Speaker 2: that it would be better for them if they were
Speaker 2: to start a new life, a parallel society. If you
Speaker 2: will and to do it. In America, we don't have
Speaker 2: the option of immigration today, but we do have the
Speaker 2: option of being pilgrims and setting up a parallel society.
Speaker 2: You know, the Puritans had tried to purify their society
Speaker 2: by staying there. The pilgrim said, that's okay, We're going
Speaker 2: to go do our own thing. There are elements of
Speaker 2: both of those things that we should and could do today,
Speaker 2: but I think the pilgrim side of it is going
Speaker 2: to be the most important, the parallel society. And so,
Speaker 2: as I said, they had suffered a great deal of persecution,
Speaker 2: and then as their journey began, there was even more persecution.
Speaker 2: There's even more difficulty. They had three ships worth of
Speaker 2: people and their possessions. One of them was not seaworthy.
Speaker 2: They had to turn back. They had to pack everybody
Speaker 2: in those two remaining ships. We have been to Plymouth
Speaker 2: and we've seen the the historical community that's there. We've
Speaker 2: gotten onto the ship. That was unbelievable that they would
Speaker 2: have over one hundred people there. It's like, I don't
Speaker 2: know what they did. Was it like standing room only?
Speaker 2: Did they stand the entire time? It was horrific. The
Speaker 2: conditions that they were under, very long journey by sale,
Speaker 2: and of course they had storms, they had damage, the
Speaker 2: main mast was broken, they nearly lost, were lost at sea,
Speaker 2: but they were able to get this together with God's
Speaker 2: help and providence and provision, and they were able to
Speaker 2: make the journey. But then instead of being able to
Speaker 2: go to northern Virginia, they were pushed ashore by more
Speaker 2: storms into the Massachusetts area what would become the Massachusetts area.
Speaker 2: And so they knew they were in the wrong place.
Speaker 2: They tried to get out several times, they got kept
Speaker 2: getting pushed back and pushed back and push back. So
Speaker 2: finally it's like, well, this is where we're supposed to be.
Speaker 2: We can't get anywhere else. That's why they put together
Speaker 2: the Mayflower combination. And then when they landed they were
Speaker 2: met by an Indian. He spoke perfect English. What a
Speaker 2: strange thing. They're absolutely amazed by that. And of course
Speaker 2: the area where they landed another interesting coincidence, isn't it.
Speaker 2: The area where they landed was uninhabited. The village had
Speaker 2: been wiped out with disease. And the Indian who spoke
Speaker 2: English was Squanto. His journey had also been difficult he
Speaker 2: had been captured, kidnapped by some Spanish explorers or tradesmen
Speaker 2: or whatever they were, and taken back as a slave
Speaker 2: to Spain. Eventually he was given to you know, he
Speaker 2: was taught agriculture and some other things by a Spanish monk,
Speaker 2: and then eventually he gets to England. He learns English
Speaker 2: and he is put in position of responsibility. He accompanies
Speaker 2: an English expedition to the area. They liked him enough
Speaker 2: that they gave him his freedom. But the heartbreak that
Speaker 2: he had was when he went back home. Nobody survived.
Speaker 2: They'd all been wiped out by disease. And so he's
Speaker 2: there by himself. But he's learned English and he's been
Speaker 2: taught agricultural techniques that the Pilgrims did not know. They
Speaker 2: were really more focused on why they wanted to go
Speaker 2: and you know, for religious liberty than there were the
Speaker 2: practical aspects of it. They were ill equipped to survive.
Speaker 2: But God used the hardship of both of these, both
Speaker 2: the Pilgrims and of Squanta, so they could help each other.
Speaker 2: And you know, this is really the lesson of providence.
Speaker 2: If you look at the words of the hymn, God
Speaker 2: moves in mysterious ways. Think about how this is so
Speaker 2: similar to what the pilgrims went through and squanto. God
Speaker 2: moves the mysterious ways as wonders to perform. He plants
Speaker 2: his footsteps in the sea and rides upon the storm,
Speaker 2: deep and unfathomable minds of never failing skill. He treasures
Speaker 2: up his bright designs and works his sovereign will ye
Speaker 2: fearful saints, fresh courage. Take the crump clouds you so
Speaker 2: much dread, are big with mercy and shall break in
Speaker 2: blessings on your head. Judge not the Lord by feeble sense,
Speaker 2: but trust him for his grace. Behind a frowning providence,
Speaker 2: he hides a smiling face. His purposes will ripen fast,
Speaker 2: unfolding every hour. The bud may have a bitter taste,
Speaker 2: but sweet will be the flower. Blind unbelief is sure
Speaker 2: to err and scan his in vain. God is his
Speaker 2: own interpreter, and he will make it plain. So how
Speaker 2: do we teach this important lesson over the years? I'll
Speaker 2: just give you some of our personal experience. I have
Speaker 2: people ask you what's some of the curriculum that you use?
Speaker 2: And I need to get some of that together. But
Speaker 2: there's always new things that are being put out, and
Speaker 2: things that we used twenty twenty five years ago, they're
Speaker 2: not available anymore. Focus on the Family still has a
Speaker 2: great audiobook dramatization of the story of Squanto. That's one
Speaker 2: that we listened to many times with our children. But
Speaker 2: it's a story that you would enjoy as an adult
Speaker 2: if you haven't heard it. It's a great production. I
Speaker 2: would highly recommend that, and I'm sure that is still available.
Speaker 2: We also used and that's why I have this up here.
Speaker 2: We use this box. This is it's called Thanks Living
Speaker 2: Treasury and I looked online and I don't think that
Speaker 2: this is sold anymore, but that doesn't mean that you
Speaker 2: can't do something similar to it.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 2: We'll get out the book here. It was done by
Speaker 2: FamilyLife dot Com division of Campus Crusade for Christ and
Speaker 2: it is set up over a week, so it's almost
Speaker 2: like a little advent type of thing. Every day it
Speaker 2: set the kids down and you would go over one
Speaker 2: aspect of the story. And we did this when our
Speaker 2: kids are very young, and so it has some little
Speaker 2: props that were part of it, but you could make
Speaker 2: that yourself.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: Here's a ship. We would hand these things out because
Speaker 2: you know, when the kids are very young, especially with boys,
Speaker 2: they like to have something physical that they can kind
Speaker 2: of you know, look at and hold and it's a
Speaker 2: nice three D thing here. But you know, you could
Speaker 2: give them any kind of thing like that, you know,
Speaker 2: to represent the ship. It doesn't have to be this
Speaker 2: particular thing. And so that would help to focus their attention.
Speaker 2: You would have you know, the day that you're talking
Speaker 2: about the journey, you know you've got to ship here
Speaker 2: in the sea. You've got situations where you're talking about starvation.
Speaker 2: How Squanta helped them. You got a thing of corn.
Speaker 2: So stuff like that was very useful. That would help
Speaker 2: you to focus with kids. And as I said, every
Speaker 2: day there was another lesson. It kept them short because
Speaker 2: they've got a short attention span and you know they're
Speaker 2: not going to set through a three hour broadcast of
Speaker 2: the David Night Show at that age. So you know,
Speaker 2: different things like that and one of the things that
Speaker 2: I really enjoy that we still have. Oh there were
Speaker 2: also yeah cards. Again you can find these pictures online,
Speaker 2: but there would be you know, classic drawings of scenes
Speaker 2: from the Pilgrims, the journey here by Sea and all
Speaker 2: that type of thing. So there are things like that,
Speaker 2: and then there were some every year. At the end
Speaker 2: of each one of these sections, you would have the kids,
Speaker 2: if they were very young, too young to write anything down,
Speaker 2: you would say, you know, what are you grateful for?
Speaker 2: And give you different categories terms of what are you
Speaker 2: grateful for in terms of protection? Or what are you
Speaker 2: grateful for in terms of freedom or your health or
Speaker 2: your salvation, And so you would put these things down.
Speaker 2: We would do it, the kids would do it, we'd
Speaker 2: date it, put our names on there. And it's interesting
Speaker 2: now years later to go back and look to see
Speaker 2: what was happening in our lives and how our kids
Speaker 2: perceive that. That's the importance of diaries. I talked about
Speaker 2: the diary of George Mueller got a very detailed diary
Speaker 2: that went over very long life and a lot of experiences.
Speaker 2: But if you really want to be able to see
Speaker 2: God working again, because providence is kind of stealthy, you
Speaker 2: really do need to keep a diary. Talk about the
Speaker 2: challenges that you're going through, about the things you prayed
Speaker 2: to God for, talk about how those prayers were answered.
Speaker 2: Because God is still in that business and so all
Speaker 2: of those things are things that I would recommend to you.
Speaker 2: But of course for adults, the records are there. You
Speaker 2: don't need to rely on PBS or the New York
Speaker 2: Times for history, Please don't. They've got an agenda, they're
Speaker 2: not interested in real history. But the primary sources are
Speaker 2: always better for any kind of education, historical education. So
Speaker 2: you know, you'll find online of Plymouth Plantation, you'll find
Speaker 2: the log of the Mayflower. You find a lot of
Speaker 2: stuff like that. Many other documents are available online. But again,
Speaker 2: think of it when you look at the diary of
Speaker 2: the Pilgrims, and how do we know what happened in
Speaker 2: their life? How do we know how God moved in
Speaker 2: their life? Was because they kept a diary. You'll want
Speaker 2: to do that for your own life. You want to
Speaker 2: do that for your own benefit and perhaps for the
Speaker 2: benefit of children to come in the future, to be
Speaker 2: able to see how God worked in your life as
Speaker 2: he worked in the life of George Mueller or the Pilgrims.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to play for you now what Benjamin
Speaker 2: Franklin said as they were working to put together a constitution,
Speaker 2: and he was telling the Constitutional Convention, he said, you know,
Speaker 2: we need to ask for God's providence. God was with
Speaker 2: us through this last war, and we need his protection,
Speaker 2: his guidance in terms of putting together this constitution that
Speaker 2: we're going to do. And after that we are going
Speaker 2: to have some interviews coming up. I just want to
Speaker 2: wish you a blessed Thanksgiving. I hope you enjoy the
Speaker 2: time with family and friends. I want to thank Daniel,
Speaker 2: a local friend who gave us a fresh turkey, killed
Speaker 2: it and plucked it, and that's what we're going to
Speaker 2: be working on today. First time we've done a fresh,
Speaker 2: not frozen turkey. So I really do appreciate that. It's
Speaker 2: great to have friends and he's kind of our squanto.
Speaker 2: I just have to say, so, have a blessed Thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: And this is pre recorded, so I won't be able
Speaker 2: to interact with any tips or questions. But again we're
Speaker 2: going to have some interviews coming up right after this.
Speaker 2: Here's Benjamin Franklin and what he told the Constitutional Convention.
Speaker 2: Mister President, the small progress that we've made after four
Speaker 2: or five weeks close attendance and continual reasonings with each other.
Speaker 2: Are different sentiments on almost every question, several of the
Speaker 2: last producing as many no's as eyes is, methinks, a
Speaker 2: melancholy proof of the imperfection of the human understanding. We
Speaker 2: indeed seem to feel our own want of political wisdom
Speaker 2: since we've been running about in search of it. We've
Speaker 2: gone back to ancient history for models of government, and
Speaker 2: examined the different forms of those republics which have been
Speaker 2: formed with the seeds of their own dissolution and now
Speaker 2: no longer exist. We have viewed modern states all around Europe,
Speaker 2: but find none of their constitutions suitable to our circumstances.
Speaker 2: In this situation of this assembly, groping as it were,
Speaker 2: in the dark to fine political truth, and scarce able
Speaker 2: to distinguish it when presented to us, How has it happened, Sir,
Speaker 2: that we have not hitherto once thought of humbly applying
Speaker 2: to the Father of lights to illuminate our understandings. In
Speaker 2: the beginning of the contest with Great Britain, we were
Speaker 2: sensible of danger. We had daily prayer in this room
Speaker 2: for divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they
Speaker 2: were graciously answered. All of us who were engaged in
Speaker 2: the struggle must have observed frequent instances of a superintending
Speaker 2: providence in our favor to that kind providence. We owe
Speaker 2: this happy opportunity of consulting in peace on the means
Speaker 2: of establishing our future national felicity. Have we now forgotten
Speaker 2: that powerful friend? Or do we imagine that we no
Speaker 2: longer need his assistance? I have lived, Sir, a long time,
Speaker 2: and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I
Speaker 2: see of this truth that God governs in the affairs
Speaker 2: of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the
Speaker 2: ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire
Speaker 2: can rise without his aid. We have been assured, Sir,
Speaker 2: in the sacred writings, that except the Lord build, they
Speaker 2: labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this,
Speaker 2: and I also believe that without his concurring aid we
Speaker 2: shall succeed in this political building no better than the
Speaker 2: builders of Babel. We shall be divided by our little,
Speaker 2: partial local interests. Our projects will be confounded, and we
Speaker 2: ourselves shall become a reproach and a byword down to
Speaker 2: the future age.
Speaker 4: And what is worse.
Speaker 2: Mankind may hereafter, from this unfortunate instance the spare of
Speaker 2: establishing governments by human wisdom, and leave it to chance
Speaker 2: war and to conquest. I therefore beg leave to move
Speaker 2: that hitsforth. Prayers imploring the assistance of Heaven and its
Speaker 2: blessings on our deliberation, be held in this assembly every
Speaker 2: morning before we proceed to business, and that one or
Speaker 2: more of the clergy of this city be requested to
Speaker 2: officiate in that service. Benjamin Franklin, Thursday, June twenty eighth,
Speaker 2: seventeen eighty seven, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Speaker 6: Analyzing the globalists next move and now the David Nutshell
Speaker 6: all right.
Speaker 2: Joining us now is Joe Banister. I've interviewed Joe several times,
Speaker 2: had had the pleasure to do it. A man of integrity.
Speaker 2: He's a former criminal investigator for the I R S
Speaker 2: and now he is an Agent for Truth. That's the
Speaker 2: name of his website as well as a podcast that
Speaker 2: he has. Thank you for joining us, Joe, Thank you, David.
Speaker 5: It's great to see you again and talk with you
Speaker 5: and hook up with Travis again to see yes, see
Speaker 5: his smiling face.
Speaker 2: Great to have you there. Tell people a little bit
Speaker 2: about where they can find you, first of all, where
Speaker 2: can they find Agent for Truth? And tell us a
Speaker 2: little bit about the podcast that's going on.
Speaker 5: Yeah. The website is Agent for Truth dot com. I
Speaker 5: started out twenty three years ago with a website called
Speaker 5: Freedom above Fortune dot com because I had to decide
Speaker 5: what was more important, you know, so called fortune at
Speaker 5: the I r S with a secure pension and paycheck,
Speaker 5: or freedom, you know, for myself, my family and for
Speaker 5: our country. But I thought Agent for Truth was a
Speaker 5: good a good little moniker there, since I was a
Speaker 5: special agent with the I R S and I wanted
Speaker 5: to be the best agent for truth that I could be.
Speaker 5: So agentftruth dot com is the website. I actually wrote
Speaker 5: a book, if you don't mind me doing it, shameless
Speaker 5: plug all the investigating the Federal income tax, the report
Speaker 5: to the American people. And that's because in nineteen ninety
Speaker 5: nine when I resigned, I wrote a preliminary report. So
Speaker 5: of course, now that twenty three years have passed, there
Speaker 5: was a lot more news, including criminally prosecuting me, stripping
Speaker 5: me my CPA certificate, all kinds of fun and games
Speaker 5: that the IRS can complete lash out at. So yeah,
Speaker 5: I have a podcast. It's actually just through zoom, kind
Speaker 5: of a wonkish thing. We have attorneys and paralegals and
Speaker 5: we speak for years was about the income tax, of course,
Speaker 5: in taxation, but over the last couple of years it's
Speaker 5: been all about COVID because all the lockdowns and the
Speaker 5: tyranny seemed to make the IRS maybe not pale in comparison,
Speaker 5: but certainly set it off to the side. Because you know,
Speaker 5: it's like the powers that be were fine through the
Speaker 5: monetary system and the taxation system harvesting us like silkworms. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden it changed to we
Speaker 5: need to kill them.
Speaker 2: Yes exactly, yeah, yeah, now we're for dinner. You know,
Speaker 2: they want us to eat silkworms until we die and
Speaker 2: they keep us in prison. I agree with you absolutely,
Speaker 2: And you know I've said many times Joe that the
Speaker 2: I think the IRS kind of set a lot of
Speaker 2: precedents of having a bureaucracy that was a law unto itself.
Speaker 2: And you know, Rampaul and others have in years past
Speaker 2: would put out the Reins Act to rein in the
Speaker 2: bureaucracy because we now have taxation with our representation, we
Speaker 2: have regulation without representation. Nancy Pelosi said of Obamacare, we
Speaker 2: got to pass it so we can find out what's
Speaker 2: in it. They get these funding and they create a bureaucracy,
Speaker 2: and then they let them create the rules. And then
Speaker 2: after they create their rules, you don't have any presumption
Speaker 2: of innocence, you don't have due process, and they have
Speaker 2: no prohibition against successive fies because they say, well, these
Speaker 2: are rules, these aren't laws. You only have these types
Speaker 2: of legal protections if it's a law enacted by Congress.
Speaker 2: So we won't have Congress do any laws. We'll have
Speaker 2: the bureaucracy create the rules. And so I think that
Speaker 2: the IRS really took the lead in all of that,
Speaker 2: But now it's been weaponized by especially in this medical
Speaker 2: martial law that we've had. It's been that same tactic
Speaker 2: now has been extended to all different aspects of our life,
Speaker 2: hasn't it.
Speaker 5: Yes, And in fact I was, you know, as I
Speaker 5: can talk about, of course, as being criminally prosecuted. So
Speaker 5: they actually went through the process of indictment prosecuting me,
Speaker 5: and I was deservedly acquitted. We could talk about that
Speaker 5: in a second, But in terms of the administrative state,
Speaker 5: the way that I was stripped of my CPA certificate
Speaker 5: you know that I earned from the state of California
Speaker 5: back in nineteen ninety one, was through this administrative state.
Speaker 5: I basically have a administrative law judge from the Environmental
Speaker 5: Protection Agency to decide my fate in terms of a
Speaker 5: disbardment from you know, being able to help clients before
Speaker 5: the i R S.
Speaker 2: How did the how did they get the EPA involved
Speaker 2: in that?
Speaker 5: I you know, I guess he was the only one
Speaker 5: available and they But I think I had a connection
Speaker 5: with the Department of Homeland Security because I my it
Speaker 5: wasn't a trial. It was more like a hearing was
Speaker 5: supposed to occur on Coast Guard Island in San Francisco Bay,
Speaker 5: and that's a military installation where you know, you can
Speaker 5: only come and go as they allow you, no no witnesses.
Speaker 5: They really you know, I called it the Shanghai on
Speaker 5: CGI for Coast Guard Island. So I just just to
Speaker 5: point out that that administrative state can really grind you up,
Speaker 5: and you go through all these appeals and but it's
Speaker 5: really not due process, not in the true sense.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, they really wiped that out. As we saw
Speaker 2: during the COVID stuff. You had the CDC claiming that
Speaker 2: they had control over foreclosures and evictions and things like that.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just amazing to see how they just
Speaker 2: passed the power around amongst themselves. And it really is
Speaker 2: taxation without representation, regulation without representation, and of course trials
Speaker 2: really without any representation or legal due process. That's what's
Speaker 2: really dangerous about this. Tell people a little bit about
Speaker 2: your process and a little bit about your background, because
Speaker 2: it's been a while since you've been on, and we
Speaker 2: got a lot of new listeners who don't know how
Speaker 2: you went from being a criminal investigation agent for the
Speaker 2: IRS into somebody that they targeted.
Speaker 5: Thank you, well, so you know, with all the why hair,
Speaker 5: it's been been quite a while. But after graduating from
Speaker 5: college and recognizing that the accounting profession was quite boring,
Speaker 5: it took me a while to figure that out. I
Speaker 5: don't know why. But I also had lots of friends
Speaker 5: and relatives in law enforcement, and so I thought, well,
Speaker 5: how can I match this, you know, accounting degree and
Speaker 5: experience with law enforcement, And so of course an investigative
Speaker 5: role came about. So I applied to the FBI and
Speaker 5: the IRS Criminal Investigation Division, and the FBI actually had
Speaker 5: a hiring freeze. I qualified to be sent to Quantico, Virginia,
Speaker 5: but due to a hiring freeze, it was basically in
Speaker 5: this holding pattern. Then the IRS called and I, you know, granted,
Speaker 5: the FBI has gotten a worse and worse reputation as
Speaker 5: the decades roll along, but back then in the nineties,
Speaker 5: you know, at least to carve away a ruby ridge.
Speaker 5: And as I say, it was an unfolding process. But
Speaker 5: compared to the IRS, I thought, well, the FBI would
Speaker 5: definitely be a better agency. But there was a hiring freeze.
Speaker 5: So kind of the idea of working for the IRS
Speaker 5: kind of grew on me because it was a special
Speaker 5: agent position, a criminal investigator, you know, gun and a badge.
Speaker 5: You're working on money laundering cases, really detailed cases with
Speaker 5: other agencies. And you know, I'm granted, tax and accounting
Speaker 5: was my background, so it seemed like a pretty good fit.
Speaker 5: So November ninety three, I was sworn in as an
Speaker 5: IRS special agent and just for the for the audience,
Speaker 5: the IRS has a civil civil functions where there's audits
Speaker 5: and levees and things like that, and then they have
Speaker 5: a criminal investigation function where when a when proof of
Speaker 5: an intentional violation of a law can can be you know, investigated.
Speaker 5: Then you'd have a criminal investigator who would do that
Speaker 5: much like a police officer who investigator a crime scene
Speaker 5: or whether it be secret service investigating counterfeiting or whatever
Speaker 5: it might be.
Speaker 2: So the iOS is does it have to be something
Speaker 2: associated with a crime or is it something that is
Speaker 2: tax It was an evasion as opposed to you know, avoidance, avoidance, Yeah, avoidances,
Speaker 2: I can't remember which it was, just like the approval
Speaker 2: versus the authorization for the vaccines. So it's okay, and
Speaker 2: it's it's it's part of the game to try to
Speaker 2: avoid your taxes, and that's encouraged. But if you evade
Speaker 2: your taxes, then is that when they get the criminal
Speaker 2: people involved or do they still have for evasion? Do
Speaker 2: they still have some of the non criminal auditors involved
Speaker 2: with that?
Speaker 5: Well, that's why it's supposed to work. In other words,
Speaker 5: if you don't have a men's rea, you don't have
Speaker 5: a criminal intent, then it should be in the purview
Speaker 5: of avoidance, which even the Supreme Court numerous courts of
Speaker 5: ruled tax avoidance is not a crime. In fact, it's expected.
Speaker 5: But the way another mission creep for the I R.
Speaker 5: S is even tax avoidance has become a punishable matter,
Speaker 5: so you know, it's something for people to keep in mind.
Speaker 5: But anyway, the difference between the two is that tax
Speaker 5: avoidance is, you know, utilizing the law as written to
Speaker 5: minimize or eliminate tax as much as possible. Tax evasion
Speaker 5: is knowing that you have a known legal duty to
Speaker 5: obey some law or provide such information and then purposely
Speaker 5: not doing so. Willfully is actually the word that they use.
Speaker 2: So when we look at this explosion in the IRS,
Speaker 2: and let's continue on with your story, I don't want
Speaker 2: to get away with your story. Let's go back and
Speaker 2: talk about your journey. You go to work for the IRS,
Speaker 2: and then what happens.
Speaker 5: So in nineteen ninety three, and I expected to spend
Speaker 5: a full twenty year career there because as a law
Speaker 5: enforcement position, it's not a thirty year retirement, it's a
Speaker 5: twenty year retirement. You work fifty hour work weeks, so
Speaker 5: you're getting a ten or basically twenty five percent premium
Speaker 5: in your pay, plus you know, the extra pay for
Speaker 5: you know, being a law enforcement kind of person, gun
Speaker 5: and badge and all that. So I really expected to
Speaker 5: spend a twenty year career there. And again because the
Speaker 5: you know, you're investigating money laundering and you know really
Speaker 5: intricate crimes and you know, protecting the treasury as you're
Speaker 5: you know, you're thinking you're doing that, and and so
Speaker 5: I believe those functions aren't necessary, and so my expectations
Speaker 5: were kind of changed when about three years into my
Speaker 5: career there I was listening to a talk radio show.
Speaker 5: And that's why I'm so people like David Knight are
Speaker 5: so admirable, because you got those the truth pills dispensing
Speaker 5: and big bottles. But anyway, I was an avid talk
Speaker 5: radio listener, and so they had a guest on the
Speaker 5: show talking about the income tax and the Federal Reserve
Speaker 5: and all the things that back in the nineties and
Speaker 5: prior to that were just thought of as oh, the
Speaker 5: kookiest subjet.
Speaker 2: Matter, right, I know, I know, yeah, we would have
Speaker 2: we'd run people for office with the Libertarian Party, and
Speaker 2: we would start out by saying we want to abolish the
Speaker 2: income tax and the I R S and everybody, Oh,
Speaker 2: they're just radical, these people, right, So yeah.
Speaker 5: I know, yes, yeah, yeah, the pioneers, thank thank goodness
Speaker 5: for the pioneers, the trailblazers. So anyway, uh listened and
Speaker 5: then it was on a talk show of a guy
Speaker 5: that was always telling the truth about every other thing.
Speaker 5: So I thought, well, why why would he lie to us? Now?
Speaker 5: Why would he have a guest on that would lie
Speaker 5: to his audience? So that's what got me started. So
Speaker 5: I spent two years off duty, you know, evenings and weekends,
Speaker 5: investigating whether or not these claims about the income tax
Speaker 5: were actually true. And the basic claim was that the
Speaker 5: i R S the income tax was not actually required
Speaker 5: to be paid by most Americans because they were no
Speaker 5: federal law ever made them liable to pay the tax.
Speaker 5: And the i r s's own instructions, their own regulations
Speaker 5: state that if you're liable for attack, then you have
Speaker 5: all these requirements that you have to follow. But it's
Speaker 5: that key juncture, are you liable? And you know, nowadays
Speaker 5: any American can search the Internet and search through the
Speaker 5: entire thick internal Revenue Code. All guys like us would
Speaker 5: call it thick, right, it's just on a computer screen now,
Speaker 5: But you can search through all these laws and find out, well,
Speaker 5: where do I become liable? How does this happen? The
Speaker 5: IRS says, I have to do all these things if
Speaker 5: I'm liable for the tax. Let's see where that happens,
Speaker 5: and then Americans who do the research come to find
Speaker 5: out that, oh wow, I'm I'm not liable for the
Speaker 5: income tax. Is that some kind of an oversight?
Speaker 2: I remember our years they would send out the package.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they do this anymore, but they
Speaker 2: would say, you know, the income tax is a voluntary thing,
Speaker 2: and we really do appreciate you volunteering. And I used
Speaker 2: to yes, that was the most cynical thing, you know,
Speaker 2: but it's just like you would get the printed paper
Speaker 2: apps and it would always have something there from the
Speaker 2: governor of whatever the state was reminding you that driving
Speaker 2: is a privilege. Well, the I R s would always
Speaker 2: send this thing out and say and thank you for
Speaker 2: complying with this voluntarily. Uh, what are they talking about?
Speaker 2: I know what's going to happen if I don't volunteer.
Speaker 2: You know they're going to voluntarily Yes, you held me away,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 5: That's exactly. And that's kind of like you know when
Speaker 5: they say the if you're blindfolded and you there's an
Speaker 5: elephant in the room but you don't know it, and
Speaker 5: you touch, and there's a trunk and you touch and
Speaker 5: there's a big tone now and ye so those kinds
Speaker 5: of clues, even from the commissioners who would write those
Speaker 5: those introductory letters each year. Uh, that's just one of
Speaker 5: many parts of the elephant to indicate how illegitimate you know,
Speaker 5: the i R S is enforcement and administration of the
Speaker 5: Income Tact actually is. And of course I always hesitate.
Speaker 5: I'm not a I'm not like urging people like the
Speaker 5: pied Piper go out and battle with the I R S.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, that's the problem. Even if they don't
Speaker 2: have authority, they've got a lot of power, you know,
Speaker 2: and we see power abused all the time without authority.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at the last couple of years here,
Speaker 2: how they've abused you know, without authority, they've abused their power.
Speaker 2: It's just it's absolutely amazing. And you're talking about how
Speaker 2: thickets become. And that's one of the ways that they
Speaker 2: can really control you. If the law is sufficiently complex
Speaker 2: so that nobody knows what it is. Really it's the
Speaker 2: same as having no law at all. And that really
Speaker 2: has been kind of the operating principle of much of
Speaker 2: the government, not just the irs. But you know, they
Speaker 2: bury everything in so many levels of detail that nobody
Speaker 2: really knows what it is. It's not a simple statement
Speaker 2: like we have in the Bill of Rights, and instead
Speaker 2: they create these complicated for varications to erase our Bill
Speaker 2: of Rights in our constitution.
Speaker 5: Yes, and I think also your listeners and yourself will
Speaker 5: be fascinated by this little little fact. I'm sure everyone's heard,
Speaker 5: especially with the COVID, how people are accused of being
Speaker 5: you know, mass misinformation spreaders. Well, the IRS actually wrote
Speaker 5: the book on that they would designate people as illegal
Speaker 5: tax protesters. If you point out an actual black letter
Speaker 5: law to the IRS auditor, for example, they'll tell you
Speaker 5: it's a frivolous argument. So smearing people with you know,
Speaker 5: labels like illegal tax protester or tax denier. Really, the
Speaker 5: book was written by the I R. S in the fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties,
Speaker 5: So you know, all I had to do was dust
Speaker 5: that off. Fauci could just dust off all those policies
Speaker 5: and practices and you know, dismissed. Of course, thankfully, people
Speaker 5: there's enough courageous people that they can be called any
Speaker 5: name in the book. They don't care. The truth is
Speaker 5: the truth, and eventually, you know, the purveyors of the
Speaker 5: lies start scurrying for the for the dark corners of
Speaker 5: the room, like Fauci.
Speaker 2: And we're at that point right now. I spent the
Speaker 2: beginning of this program talking about, hey, it looks like
Speaker 2: it's turned. They decided that they can't hide the massive
Speaker 2: pile of bodies everywhere, and everybody's turning on each other. Well,
Speaker 2: he was the one who did it. I didn't do it.
Speaker 2: You know, the type of thing. All the finger pointing
Speaker 2: is now started, which is a good move for our side,
Speaker 2: as long as they don't try to escalate this with
Speaker 2: some other kind of attack or with a war to
Speaker 2: try to wipe all this stuff out. But I'm curious because,
Speaker 2: you know, Joe, once you challenge them, especially from the inside,
Speaker 2: things must have gotten really bad for you.
Speaker 5: They did. I mean, I was, you know, not to
Speaker 5: toot my own horror, but in terms of awards and
Speaker 5: promotions and everybody asking, oh wow, you must be going
Speaker 5: to go into management. You know, you're just a hard charger,
Speaker 5: and so everything was really great until I start. You know,
Speaker 5: I just kind of raised my hand sheepishly and said, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, I've been doing this research about the income
Speaker 5: tax and trying to dismiss these claims by these so
Speaker 5: called tax protesters. And sure there's strange stuff out there,
Speaker 5: but you know, I'm a CPA. You trust me to
Speaker 5: carry this gun and a badge around. These are the
Speaker 5: things that I found. And you know, given that I
Speaker 5: took an oath to support and defend the constitution and
Speaker 5: you did too, you know, to my supervisors, what about this?
Speaker 5: I mean, I really think I need to get this
Speaker 5: result so that I can be assured that I am
Speaker 5: actually abiding by my oath. And well, the answer I
Speaker 5: got was that you probably already can figure it out.
Speaker 5: They were not happy. They would not answer any of
Speaker 5: my questions. They would not even address my report, which
Speaker 5: is you know, the this is what evolved. But originally
Speaker 5: it was a ninety nine page report provided to my supervisors,
Speaker 5: just highlighting some of the concerning issues. And they sent
Speaker 5: my inquiries up this chain of command, up to the
Speaker 5: Assistant Commissioner for Criminal Investigation, and the word came back down,
Speaker 5: no answer of your questions will provide you with the
Speaker 5: paperwork to tend to your resignation. Wow, took my gun
Speaker 5: and badge away, kept my pager for a week. You know,
Speaker 5: don't call us, We'll call you. And then I really
Speaker 5: decided that because I had a really, frankly a stellar reputation,
Speaker 5: that if I stayed with the IRS, then they would
Speaker 5: have made sure that they ruined it, and then who
Speaker 5: would believe me? So I actually resigned on my birthday
Speaker 5: February twenty fifth, nineteen ninety nine. And I don't have
Speaker 5: any listeners know this, but my birthday February twenty fifth
Speaker 5: and the income tax birthday February twenty fifth, nineteen thirteen,
Speaker 5: we share the same day. So maybe I was meant
Speaker 5: to blow a few whistles.
Speaker 2: Wow, So did they just let you resign? And that
Speaker 2: was were those criminal charges against you?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Resigned in ninety nine, and then I I had,
Speaker 5: you know, no mainstream media attention immediately. I mean, you'd
Speaker 5: think if a criminal investigator for the IRS was blowing
Speaker 5: the whistle that the mainstream media would care. Well, people
Speaker 5: thought that in the old days, so that didn't happen.
Speaker 5: But then the you know, the Internet was taking off
Speaker 5: in the late nineties and early two thousands, so I
Speaker 5: was getting a lot of attention. And then eventually the
Speaker 5: mainstream media did pay attention to me. And that's another
Speaker 5: thing I found out about the way the government and
Speaker 5: the media work they want to. They pay attention to
Speaker 5: you right before they take you down. Yes, so I
Speaker 5: was on sixty minutes too. You know there's a sixty
Speaker 5: minutes and a sixty minutes too. So I made it
Speaker 5: to sixty minutes too. I was interviewed by the New
Speaker 5: York Times and number of times, the Span, MSNBC, all
Speaker 5: kinds of media organs, and I'm thinking, wow, you know
Speaker 5: they're actually paying attention to not to me, but you
Speaker 5: know to the issue. I mean, we tried leveled to Congress,
Speaker 5: to to the White House, the Supreme Court, trying to
Speaker 5: petition for a redress of our grievances. Well in reward.
Speaker 5: As a reward for all my efforts, I was indicted
Speaker 5: in November of two thousand and four on four felony counts.
Speaker 5: Three counts were preparing three false federal income tax returns
Speaker 5: for a client, and the fourth count, for good measure,
Speaker 5: was conspiracy to defraud the United States of America. So
Speaker 5: my trial was in June of two thousand and five.
Speaker 5: I had about seven months to prepare and I was
Speaker 5: looking at I don't know, anywhere from probably three to
Speaker 5: five six years in federal prison. If I was convicted,
Speaker 5: and you know, the basic premise was that I prepared
Speaker 5: these tax returns on behalf of a client. He was
Speaker 5: he had already paid taxes and was seeking a refund,
Speaker 5: and there's a process that you follow, and that's why
Speaker 5: he hired me to make sure that we followed the
Speaker 5: process to the letter. But you know, as I mentioned
Speaker 5: about tax avoidance and tax evasion, they can turn tax
Speaker 5: avoidance seeking a refund, for example, into a crime, and
Speaker 5: so they call it false false refund claim. I was
Speaker 5: the one that prepared the tax return, so therefore I
Speaker 5: conspired with the client. Of course, none of that was true.
Speaker 5: They didn't even their experts on the witness stand. My
Speaker 5: attorneys walk them through just about every line of the
Speaker 5: tax returns and said, you know, is this line false?
Speaker 5: Is this line false? Is this line false? And there
Speaker 5: was nothing false about them, And so the jury's kind
Speaker 5: of scratching their heads, like why is this guy being prosecuted.
Speaker 5: The prosecution can't even tell us he did anything bad.
Speaker 5: So I was acquitted in June A, two thousand and
Speaker 5: five of those charges, and then of course the whole
Speaker 5: Iris civil function descended upon me with audits and and
Speaker 5: then the the CPA disbarment thing was percolating along, And
Speaker 5: of course that's one of the many reasons why I don't,
Speaker 5: you know, act like the pied Piper's telling people, hey,
Speaker 5: go battle with the I R S, because I just
Speaker 5: don't think most people are. I wasn't even really equipped
Speaker 5: for it. But you know, I just reach out to
Speaker 5: the Lord and know that he'll he'll protect you, and
Speaker 5: not necessarily from pain or suffering, but in terms of
Speaker 5: protection of your soul and you know, your your desire
Speaker 5: for truth.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. That is the thing that matters, and
Speaker 2: that is the final court and judgment that matters, and
Speaker 2: that's what gives us the leverage to make these kinds
Speaker 2: of changes. Well, you know, I really and I understand
Speaker 2: because I have. I've talked to people who went to
Speaker 2: battle with the I R S. A new one guy
Speaker 2: who went to prison, and his you know what happened
Speaker 2: to him in trial was he went in and he
Speaker 2: thought he found something in the law that you know,
Speaker 2: shut everything down, and so he was going to make
Speaker 2: that the issue at the trial and he brings up
Speaker 2: he goes, what about this. I said, now, we're not
Speaker 2: going to talk about that. Next question, you know, and
Speaker 2: that was it. And yeah, he couldn't even find anybody
Speaker 2: who's going to represent him, so he does it, you know, himself.
Speaker 2: And they wouldn't answer the first question. They just shut
Speaker 2: everything down and wouldn't consider anything. Did they try to
Speaker 2: with your situation? They tried to bring enough charges that
Speaker 2: they offered you a plea bargain instead of having a
Speaker 2: jury trial.
Speaker 5: Was that, you know? Interestingly, and according to my attorneys
Speaker 5: who had had much more experience with trials, and please,
Speaker 5: they never offered me a plea. It's almost like they
Speaker 5: knew what fingers I would show them if they had.
Speaker 2: Done that bother with it.
Speaker 5: But they said it was really unprecedented that there wasn't
Speaker 5: even a plea offer. So they must have done some
Speaker 5: kind of study of my personality or something that you know,
Speaker 5: I granted, you know, there's people that are guilty of
Speaker 5: crimes that say, you know, I didn't do it, But
Speaker 5: I didn't. There was nothing untoward at all. You know,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't sign a document and a penalty perjury unless
Speaker 5: I knew that it was true, correct and complete. And
Speaker 5: of course the trial proved that they all were. But
Speaker 5: they charged me anyway. In fact, the special agent that
Speaker 5: I used to work with who investigated me, I have
Speaker 5: it from a very good source that he actually recommended
Speaker 5: that I not be prosecuted. And when a special agent,
Speaker 5: actually any investigator does an investigation, it's not a foregone
Speaker 5: conclusion that they're going to find that there's a crime. Granted, jury,
Speaker 5: grand juries and diet ham sandwiches, et cetera. But there
Speaker 5: is actually you come to the end of the road
Speaker 5: and the investigator is supposed to give it a recommendation
Speaker 5: should there be prosecution or not. And I've never been
Speaker 5: able to get my hands on the report, but a
Speaker 5: very reliable source said that the special agent actually recommended
Speaker 5: that I not be prosecuted because he could not find,
Speaker 5: you know, evidence that the elements of the crime had
Speaker 5: been satisfied. And yet the the DOJ, the i R S,
Speaker 5: you know, all the bureaucracy decided, well, we're going to
Speaker 5: prosecute him anyway, because we can't have this wayward guy
Speaker 5: telling the public that there might be an alternative to
Speaker 5: you know, our government position.
Speaker 2: Just just pure vindictiveness. And of course the reason that
Speaker 2: they'll do that is because they don't want to They
Speaker 2: dodn't want to lose a trial, you know, and so
Speaker 2: they're looking a lot of you know, what they do
Speaker 2: with the grand jury is to judge the strength of
Speaker 2: their case, and so you know, they don't nobody wants
Speaker 2: to go into this as an investigator or a prosecutor
Speaker 2: or whatever and lose, And so that's why they make
Speaker 2: those types of recommendations. But the higher ups just wanted
Speaker 2: to get even with that. Tell us a little bit
Speaker 2: about your take on what is happening with this expansion
Speaker 2: of the IRS, because now with this new bill that
Speaker 2: just got passed, they're going to take the budget that
Speaker 2: is currently twelve billion dollars and they're going to add
Speaker 2: eighty billion dollars to it. So it's going to be
Speaker 2: you know, about seven and a half times bigger than
Speaker 2: it is right now. From having been there in the past,
Speaker 2: how do you think this is going to play out?
Speaker 2: I mean, there's been a lot of talk Joe about
Speaker 2: the IRS agents who are carrying guns and that type
Speaker 2: of thing. I know there'll be a lot of agents
Speaker 2: that'll just be doing audits, like from a CPA standpoint,
Speaker 2: But how do you think this is going to play
Speaker 2: out in terms of how it's going to affect us
Speaker 2: as individuals.
Speaker 5: Well, I could start with the criminal investigation component, just
Speaker 5: because I'm most familiar with that. But when I when
Speaker 5: I was with the IRS, there was I think between
Speaker 5: twenty eight hundred and three thousand IRS special agents, and now,
Speaker 5: or at least until this bill and the preparations for it,
Speaker 5: it's about twenty three hundred, So the head count actually
Speaker 5: went down by about seven hundred. I think even Rhino
Speaker 5: Republicans were hesitant to you know, beef up budgets for
Speaker 5: the IRS because you know, the public, at least they're
Speaker 5: going to that kind of information is going to going
Speaker 5: to percolate down to the average joe. So what's amazing though,
Speaker 5: is now, of course, with a barely or you know,
Speaker 5: democratically controlled Congress and a president that will sign the bill,
Speaker 5: this was basically their only chance to do what they
Speaker 5: probably wanted to do for you know, thirty forty years,
Speaker 5: to really just just pad in the billions and have
Speaker 5: all the personnel because the ultimate the ultimate goal really
Speaker 5: is fear so that people self well, just like self censorship, right,
Speaker 5: they self report, they pay more, they don't fight a
Speaker 5: note that's erroneous telling them that they own more taxes.
Speaker 5: They want to cultivate that fear so they get the
Speaker 5: compliance without really having to do anything that's right.
Speaker 2: And it's been very effective. I mean, when we look
Speaker 2: at an army of eighty seven thousand new agents, not
Speaker 2: all of them carrying guns, but you can destroy somebody's
Speaker 2: life with a pencil on the paper, right, And so
Speaker 2: when you look at that being unleashed on people, and
Speaker 2: when you look at the idea that the Democrats want
Speaker 2: to raise taxes, and for the most part, even though
Speaker 2: there were some corporate taxes in there that got raised,
Speaker 2: for the most part, they want to raise the revenue
Speaker 2: by squeezing it out of people with the current tax
Speaker 2: law and by using the IRS. I think that's the
Speaker 2: thing that is really concerning and intimidating and designed to intimidate.
Speaker 5: People, right, And they're really effective at using little buzz
Speaker 5: phrases like tax the rich, pay your fair share, and
Speaker 5: you know these Pavlovian they get the Pavlovian respond You
Speaker 5: know that when you're you have to be afraid that
Speaker 5: in a jury. Thankfully I didn't have such a jury.
Speaker 5: I had a thinking jury, but the jury that's like, well,
Speaker 5: I got to pay my fair share he got to
Speaker 5: pay his and they convince you, you know, over that
Speaker 5: as opposed to whether you actually violated a law. But
Speaker 5: the yeah, the intimidation is is the go to way
Speaker 5: that they get things done. I guess what I'm concerned
Speaker 5: about is, well, for what the good news? I'll say, first,
Speaker 5: it's going to take quite a bit of time to
Speaker 5: ramp up to on board. Even if they do have
Speaker 5: the budget for eighty seven thousand new people, it's going
Speaker 5: to take a few years at you know, to ramp
Speaker 5: them up where they're trained and they're actually then making
Speaker 5: phone calls and sending letters and so in the meantime,
Speaker 5: you know, that's more Americans that can wake up and
Speaker 5: get the law repealed or or take away their budget
Speaker 5: or and these are stop gap right, I mean, And
Speaker 5: obviously the agency shouldn't even exist, yesil, And I guess
Speaker 5: that's a question.
Speaker 2: You know, we can't get the GOP to do anything
Speaker 2: to really change this structure. You talked about how it
Speaker 2: was created nineteen thirteen. You know, what did we do
Speaker 2: before that. I've mentioned many times that Thomas Jefferson said
Speaker 2: and bragged about in his second inaugural address that they
Speaker 2: had eliminated useless offices and spending in his first administration,
Speaker 2: and so he said no American now, no no American,
Speaker 2: no farmer, no labor or no mechanic knows the taxman.
Speaker 2: They didn't have any internal taxes at all. They had
Speaker 2: all the government was run off of taxes at the border.
Speaker 2: But when we had this globalization come in the early
Speaker 2: part of the twentieth century, they started they completely reversed
Speaker 2: that to make this something coming after Americans internally, that
Speaker 2: the internal revenue. You know, they'd had external revenue. Now
Speaker 2: it becomes internal revenue and lockstep of the federal reserve
Speaker 2: and focusing on a Mariamericans rather than you know, collecting
Speaker 2: the revenue at the border. So I don't really think
Speaker 2: that the GOP is going to do anything to even
Speaker 2: pull back this increase, do you No.
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like, you know, the ramp up will
Speaker 5: take a while, and we just have to keep growing
Speaker 5: our numbers. And you know, David Knight needs to have
Speaker 5: ten and twenty and thirty million listeners and viewers.
Speaker 2: And I would tell them all that stuff if I did. Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a guy that's come out as a whistleblower in
Speaker 2: terms of talking about how this is going to impact people.
Speaker 2: William Hank I'm sure that you've seen what he's had
Speaker 2: to say, a former lawyer for the IRS, and he's saying, no,
Speaker 2: they're going to focus on lower income people. He said,
Speaker 2: that's what they've always done, and of course they're not
Speaker 2: going to be able to raise the kinds of money.
Speaker 2: And he goes through it. He says, yeah, they're saying
Speaker 2: they're going to raise this much revenue. Well, there isn't
Speaker 2: that much revenue. If you're going to talk about people
Speaker 2: making over four hundred thousand dollars, there's absolutely no way
Speaker 2: they could squeeze that kind of revenue out of them.
Speaker 2: They're going to have to go to the people with
Speaker 2: lower incomes. What was your experience when they would when
Speaker 2: you were at the IRS, I mean, how how was
Speaker 2: this uh how was the split between the middle class
Speaker 2: and the poor people and wealthy people in terms of audits,
Speaker 2: in terms of the way they come after them.
Speaker 5: Well, there was the there would definitely be an effort
Speaker 5: to go after the we call them poster children, the
Speaker 5: Leona Helmsley's, you know, the and.
Speaker 2: There's always one of those every year around April fifteenth,
Speaker 2: isn't it interesting?
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, we call it we with Gallas humor call
Speaker 5: it tax terrorism season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's going to be the poster child this year
Speaker 2: for you better pay your taxes, you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So we always and there was there would be
Speaker 5: an uptick, like basically the management was looking even on
Speaker 5: a smaller scale, not the Willie Nelson's and the Pete Roses,
Speaker 5: but still on a smaller scale locally, you know, okay,
Speaker 5: timing of the indictments and the press releases and just
Speaker 5: cultivating that fear. Of course they didn't call it that,
Speaker 5: but ultimately that was just you know, they know that
Speaker 5: they can only get so much enforcement out there, but
Speaker 5: they know how much fear and intimidation they can generate
Speaker 5: by the publicity, and so that's always been the priority.
Speaker 5: But you know, I worked on some famous cases that
Speaker 5: may have been famous around the Bay Area, you know,
Speaker 5: or California at the time, but you had but lots
Speaker 5: of you know, really people that weren't weren't very wealthy.
Speaker 5: We're certainly targeted this investigation that we would do. I
Speaker 5: believe they still do. You probably heard of the Earned
Speaker 5: income tax credit, and every year of the Congress would
Speaker 5: want us to go out the special agents because you'd
Speaker 5: be knocking on doors, so they wanted to have the
Speaker 5: armed agents do so. And we would find massive fraud
Speaker 5: in the E t C program and we'd report it
Speaker 5: to Congress, and Congress would just keep increasing the budget
Speaker 5: on it everywhere. And of course you've heard about all
Speaker 5: the Solid Security number fraud that goes on. I mean, literally,
Speaker 5: it is such a pathetic, ugly, gross system, don't you know.
Speaker 5: I'm still out at twenty three years trying to wake
Speaker 5: people up. I don't know why the American people put
Speaker 5: up with it, and I think, you know, if there
Speaker 5: were enough we could change it. And so that's why
Speaker 5: you and I know, beat our heads against the wall
Speaker 5: just trying to tell the truth and hope that people
Speaker 5: will listen, because in a sense, we're inflicting our own punishment,
Speaker 5: you know, by not gathering together and saying you've had enough.
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, that is exactly it. And they take
Speaker 2: advantage of people. It's one of the things that Think
Speaker 2: and others were saying was that they typically go for
Speaker 2: a low hanging fruit. They go for people who don't
Speaker 2: have a lot of money, who cannot and they guess
Speaker 2: they're not going to go out and hire a lawyer
Speaker 2: to fight back against this, like rich people would, and
Speaker 2: so they just know that's going to be low hanging fruit.
Speaker 2: It's going to be easy for them to get it.
Speaker 2: And we've seen that with civil asset forfeiture as well,
Speaker 2: when they would go around Chicago. Most of the cars
Speaker 2: and things like that they're solen, have a low value.
Speaker 2: They're right around one thousand dollars because they charge somebody
Speaker 2: if they want to fight this, they have to come
Speaker 2: up with nine hundred dollars to start these civil proceedings
Speaker 2: to try to prove that they're innocent. Same thing we
Speaker 2: see with the irs, Right, you're guilty and you have
Speaker 2: to prove that you're innocent. And so they take the
Speaker 2: cars from these people who have cars that are only
Speaker 2: worth a little bit more than they would have to
Speaker 2: pony up in order to contest this, and so as
Speaker 2: a result, they just walk away with this stuff left
Speaker 2: and right. I think that's what's happening a great deal
Speaker 2: with this as well, intimidating people and especially preying on
Speaker 2: people they know aren't going to fight back. So what
Speaker 2: do we tell people? What is it that that people
Speaker 2: need to know about the IRS, because I don't want
Speaker 2: to encourage people to go directly into battle with this
Speaker 2: corrupt organization that a lot of power. But what do
Speaker 2: we do in terms as citizens to try to change
Speaker 2: this thing? What would you suggest and what do you
Speaker 2: tell your listeners about this?
Speaker 5: Well, certainly from a you know, I realized the frustration
Speaker 5: of you know, writing writing to your congressman and whatever
Speaker 5: it might be because they won't listen. But you know,
Speaker 5: I still think you got to do that, and you've
Speaker 5: got to encourage others to do that. They have to
Speaker 5: hear from people that they're upset. The other thing is
Speaker 5: another thing is I would say, don't you know if
Speaker 5: you can help it, find some time that rather than
Speaker 5: watching a football game or you know, some pastime. We
Speaker 5: all need our R and R. But learn about your rights,
Speaker 5: learn about the limits to their even over the boundaries
Speaker 5: of authority. What to do if an agent knocks at
Speaker 5: your door? What what do you have to do? What
Speaker 5: will what can you do? Don't give them the rope
Speaker 5: to hang you with it? And that that's probably the
Speaker 5: you know, phone calls and UH house visits or office
Speaker 5: visits by I R S agents. Certainly with if there's
Speaker 5: going to be eighty seven thousand new agents pounding the pavement. Uh,
Speaker 5: they're gonna have a lot better opportunity to knock, do
Speaker 5: knock and talks. And if people realize they don't have
Speaker 5: to even open the door. I mean, why do people
Speaker 5: have ring cameras and stuff on their on their front porch,
Speaker 5: you know? I mean I read I read an article
Speaker 5: yesterday that was actually like a next door kind of
Speaker 5: a thing, and the woman says, the man covered my camera,
Speaker 5: so I opened the door to find out what he
Speaker 5: was doing. Like what, you know, don't don't open the door.
Speaker 5: You know, learn there's there's videos out now about like
Speaker 5: the ATF you probably heard out there doing knock and
Speaker 5: talks more more frequently because somebody bought two guns all
Speaker 5: of a sudden. It's an arsenal or you know, some
Speaker 5: some bs premise that they give to uh to to fit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, show me your phones. I want to make sure
Speaker 2: that you still got your guns, that these weren't straw purchases.
Speaker 2: That's what they do. And it is surprising and people
Speaker 2: and some of the people who did record this on
Speaker 2: you know, doorbell camera then said, you know, I knew
Speaker 2: this is wrong. I knew they didn't have a search warrant,
Speaker 2: but I was so intimidated by it. And that's the
Speaker 2: way this works, the way the irs works as well.
Speaker 2: And if they're going to do that over guns, you
Speaker 2: know they're going to do this with you know, eighty
Speaker 2: seven thousand new agents. You know that there's going to
Speaker 2: be a tremendous amount of this, you know. I think
Speaker 2: that's very sound advice to know what your legal rights are,
Speaker 2: what their legal authority is, before this happens, because again
Speaker 2: that once they get these agents in it, it's going
Speaker 2: to take a little while it is, it's going to
Speaker 2: ramp up exponentially, and your chances of having an encounter
Speaker 2: like that are going to go up exponentially as well.
Speaker 2: I've talked in the past to a father who was
Speaker 2: trapped in this CPS type of stuff and Dwight Mitchell,
Speaker 2: and he went through the ringer with this thing, and
Speaker 2: he set up an organization and try to educate people
Speaker 2: about what their rights are with this. And that was
Speaker 2: one of the first things he told them was do
Speaker 2: not talk to these people. Everybody wants to initially talk
Speaker 2: to them and say, yeah, let me just show you
Speaker 2: that I didn't do anything wrong. You know, that's your
Speaker 2: first approach to it. That's not what this is about.
Speaker 2: This is they're fishing for things and they will misconstrue
Speaker 2: what you're telling them for their own purposes. So he
Speaker 2: says you do not talk to them. That isn't it
Speaker 2: a sign that you're guilty. It's a sign that you
Speaker 2: understand what this process is really about. And I think
Speaker 2: that's something very important for people to understand about these
Speaker 2: this new army of IRS agents that are going to
Speaker 2: be knocking on your door, ringing your ringing your phone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I have your you know, I don't know, maybe
Speaker 5: in technologies advanced quite a bit, but you know, you
Speaker 5: can monitor your calls when they call on the answering
Speaker 5: machine and you can hear who it is, and it's
Speaker 5: usually a telemarketer, but it might be an IR agent,
Speaker 5: maybe somebody pretending to be an IRS agent. Even knocking
Speaker 5: at the doors. I'm sure there'll be a whole new
Speaker 5: scams of people pretending to be IRS agents. So there's
Speaker 5: multiple reasons why a person doesn't need to even open
Speaker 5: the door. There's no crime against not talking, and you know,
Speaker 5: and again in the meantime, spend some time, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe on my website, I have links to other websites.
Speaker 5: Your website, Listen to your shows, because even when you're
Speaker 5: interviewing CPS victims and AT and gun victims, it's really
Speaker 5: all the same. It is dance card. You know, it's
Speaker 5: about you do have rights. I mean, you know, as
Speaker 5: much as I've been harassed over my whistle blowing, you know,
Speaker 5: I still had a trial and there was a jury,
Speaker 5: and you know I didn't have to In fact, I
Speaker 5: didn't testify and I was still acquitted. I was able
Speaker 5: to remain silent because the Constitution knowledges that I have
Speaker 5: that right. So you know, we need to use the
Speaker 5: rights that we still have, to fight for the rights
Speaker 5: that have been taken away and just just just fight, fight, fight,
Speaker 5: you know, the entire the entire way, and recognize that
Speaker 5: the government, you know, isn't your friend, and the investigators
Speaker 5: have they're looking for more hash marks to get their promotions,
Speaker 5: and they just do not have your best interest. Now,
Speaker 5: there are some you know that, like I believe I
Speaker 5: went to a search warrant once as an IRS special agent,
Speaker 5: and you know I was smiling and not like you know,
Speaker 5: nasty kind of a smile like oh, we're getting you.
Speaker 5: But just like I had a demeanor like I do now,
Speaker 5: you know, just like I'm trying to do the right thing.
Speaker 5: And these other senior agents wanted to take a bunch
Speaker 5: of stuff, a bunch of assets that weren't on the
Speaker 5: search warrant to be taken. They basically just wanted to
Speaker 5: just read these people by taking all their jewelry. And
Speaker 5: I happened to be the Asset forfeits coordinator at the time,
Speaker 5: and I said, we're not taking that stuff. We have
Speaker 5: no authority to take it. And he says, yes, we are.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm senior to you. I said, I'm the
Speaker 5: Asset fourfiture coordinator, and I have to inventory this stuff
Speaker 5: and explain and justify why we took it. We're not
Speaker 5: taking it.
Speaker 2: Well, good for you. Yeah, So I sid forfeiture. That's
Speaker 2: one of the big things that's come in. And of
Speaker 2: course you know IRS as well as the DEA, all
Speaker 2: these different organizations are doing it.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: We have in California even a sheriff's office that is
Speaker 2: actually robbing armored cars and the pretense that this has
Speaker 2: contaminated money, even though the marijuana facility was legal there
Speaker 2: in California under federal law. It's not so we're going
Speaker 2: to steal everything, everything in your armored car. It's just
Speaker 2: incredible what is happening now. But you know, one of
Speaker 2: the things I want to get your take on this,
Speaker 2: Stuart or Joe, is that you know, we have we
Speaker 2: have a government the claims that the deficit doesn't matter anymore.
Speaker 2: This is a claim that was made during COVID by Republicans,
Speaker 2: by Trump and the other people who signed on to this.
Speaker 2: The only person who seemed to have a problem with
Speaker 2: the three trillion plus expenditure was Thomas Massey, and they
Speaker 2: were furious with him, try to get him thrown out,
Speaker 2: especially Trump. And so with the Democrats, they've embraced this
Speaker 2: modern monetary theory and they're adamant about the fact that
Speaker 2: the deficits don't matter whatsoever. And so then the question becomes,
Speaker 2: why do we even need to have any taxes? Is
Speaker 2: it just to take away all of our disposable income.
Speaker 2: I think that's one of the things that needs to
Speaker 2: be pointed out to some of these Republicans. It's like,
Speaker 2: if you guys don't really care the deficit matters, why
Speaker 2: are you pushing us on these taxes. They really don't
Speaker 2: have a rationale even for doing this, because they're nowhere
Speaker 2: near balancing the budget and they're never going to balance
Speaker 2: the budget. And they know that. That's why some of
Speaker 2: them were talking about having a constitutional convention in order
Speaker 2: to try to force a balanced budget. But of course
Speaker 2: that of itself is a very dangerous thing. But they
Speaker 2: know that there isn't the will to balance the budget.
Speaker 2: So why are we doing the taxes?
Speaker 5: No, I totally agree. In fact, here I was with CPA,
Speaker 5: got hired by the I R S and all these
Speaker 5: things that I you know that, as we joked, we're
Speaker 5: out in the conspiracy theory territory. We're all completely factual
Speaker 5: as far as the monetary system. The real purpose for
Speaker 5: the income tax to you know, kind of scrape off
Speaker 5: all that excess money printing to keep inflation under control.
Speaker 5: And when the government can you borrow endlessly from the
Speaker 5: federal reserve to fund its operations, why is there a
Speaker 5: need for an income tax, Well, of course it's because
Speaker 5: the federal Reserve prints the money out of thin air
Speaker 5: and then lends it to the government. And the government's
Speaker 5: role is to you know, the point of a gun
Speaker 5: bring the tax money back to to the Federal Reserve
Speaker 5: in terms of interest payment.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 5: So, you know, it's too bad the public. I mean,
Speaker 5: there's some complexities to it, but you know, books like
Speaker 5: Creature from Jekyl Island by Jedward Griffin, America Freedom to Fascism,
Speaker 5: a film that I was in back in two thousand
Speaker 5: and six. There's all kinds of ways, really simple ways
Speaker 5: on the Internet for people to get the basics. They
Speaker 5: just have to take the time to do so. I agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're talking about Jergward Griffin's book Creature from Jekyl
Speaker 2: Island and some of these other things. I think we're
Speaker 2: about ready to have another resetting of the dollar as
Speaker 2: a you know, in the same way that Nixon took
Speaker 2: us off of the gold standard and put us on
Speaker 2: to the petro dollar and that type of thing. Central
Speaker 2: bank digital currency. And you know, when I think about
Speaker 2: the central bank digital currency and their ability to preemptively
Speaker 2: control everything that we spend and to be able to
Speaker 2: confiscate money just to flick of a switch from us,
Speaker 2: what happens to the irs go to a central bank
Speaker 2: digital currency. Are these people going to become like uber
Speaker 2: drivers when they go to fully automated taxicabs Johnny Cabs.
Speaker 5: Well, one thing you can bet on, at least in
Speaker 5: all my experience and research is that they're very forward
Speaker 5: thinking in the government. And so in fact, like in
Speaker 5: nineteen ninety eight when I was there, they had the
Speaker 5: IRS Restructuring and Reform Act, so the you know, the
Speaker 5: oxymoronic names of bills like the Inflation Reduction Act, the
Speaker 5: Restruction Reform Act, was not about restructuring and reforming the IRS.
Speaker 5: It was really about hiding their tracks from stuff they
Speaker 5: had done in the past. But they always put you know,
Speaker 5: the pearls around the pig's neck to make it look good.
Speaker 5: But I have a feeling that those eighty seven thousand
Speaker 5: agents in this uptick and IRS, it's about being there
Speaker 5: and being ready when the turmoil hits with the bad
Speaker 5: currency and knowing that people are going to maybe not
Speaker 5: pay their tax bills so that they can survive, and
Speaker 5: they need these agents who are going to be there
Speaker 5: ready to take your property if you don't cooperate, even
Speaker 5: if you don't have the money to pay.
Speaker 2: I agree, yeah, taking your property. And here's the here's
Speaker 2: where I put on my conspiracy theory tenofoil hat. I
Speaker 2: think that's what's going to happen, is this army of
Speaker 2: IRS agents are being prepared to try to take assets
Speaker 2: away from people who are going to be outside of
Speaker 2: the CBDC. That's going to be something that people are
Speaker 2: going to try to avoid, like the plague, even more
Speaker 2: so than any plague that they that they invent. I mean,
Speaker 2: I wasn't trying to avoid the plague myself because I
Speaker 2: didn't believe there was a plague when it was going through.
Speaker 2: But I think that when they push this CBDC through,
Speaker 2: they're going to have to have two different aspects of it.
Speaker 2: One of them is going to be Okay, here's the thing,
Speaker 2: and we want you to do this, and then we're
Speaker 2: going to incentivize it for a little while and try
Speaker 2: to get as many people using it as we'll do it.
Speaker 2: As we saw with the vaccines, right, they're going to say, well,
Speaker 2: this is great, you ought to have. It's going to
Speaker 2: save your life. Then the next step is we'll have
Speaker 2: a lottery here, and you know you have a chance
Speaker 2: of winning lots of money if you take the vaccine.
Speaker 2: I think the correlation to that with a CBDC will
Speaker 2: be that they will say well, we're going to make
Speaker 2: it so much easier for you. They might even throw
Speaker 2: in some cash bonuses if you use a CBDC at
Speaker 2: the beginning. But then you're going to get to the
Speaker 2: point where they're going to try to coerce you. And
Speaker 2: I think that's where this army of IRS agents are
Speaker 2: coming in. I think that's a forward thinking part about it.
Speaker 2: People are looking at this and saying, Wow, they're really
Speaker 2: going to make our life hell with this. I think
Speaker 2: the light making your life hell is going to be
Speaker 2: using this army of IRS agents to attack us if
Speaker 2: we try to have an economy that is outside of
Speaker 2: the CBDC. Do you agree? What do you think?
Speaker 5: I do very much, as I know you're on board
Speaker 5: with this. We're Americans. We don't give up. We might
Speaker 5: be collectively way too apathetic, and we've let the cancer
Speaker 5: grow way too way too far throughout the body, but
Speaker 5: we don't give up. And you know, people like yourself,
Speaker 5: all the whistleblowers relating to the COVID jabs and the
Speaker 5: gain of function research and all that stuff, those that's
Speaker 5: from you know, brave people who said I need to
Speaker 5: tell my neighbor, I need to tell my neighbor because
Speaker 5: I care about my neighbor, that this shot is a
Speaker 5: dust shot, or that this income tax is a scam,
Speaker 5: or that the I R S agents you know, you
Speaker 5: don't have to talk to them, you know, get out,
Speaker 5: spend a little more time on protecting yourself and your
Speaker 5: family because the resources are out there, including the David
Speaker 5: Knight Show, and you know, maybe a little less of
Speaker 5: the football games and things like that, and you might
Speaker 5: find that we can actually have affect a change for
Speaker 5: the better.
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, I think it's going to be it's
Speaker 2: going to have to be an education thing, and we're
Speaker 2: going to have to warn people about the possibility of
Speaker 2: how this is going to be used, tell them about
Speaker 2: how this is currently being abused, and it's going to
Speaker 2: be a life saving issue, just like this vaccination thing was.
Speaker 2: We go back and we look at this and it
Speaker 2: breaks my heart to see all the people who have
Speaker 2: been killed and injured with this and who continually who
Speaker 2: continue to be misguided with all this and continue to
Speaker 2: live in fear. And we have to push back against this.
Speaker 2: And I think a key thing is going to be
Speaker 2: educating people around us and our group of people that
Speaker 2: we have influence with as well as we can. And
Speaker 2: it's also going to be making sure that we have
Speaker 2: good people in local offices. I've been telling people, Joe
Speaker 2: that I think it's far more important who your sheriff
Speaker 2: is than who's sitting in the oval office, because that's
Speaker 2: really going to be more protection for you, or it's
Speaker 2: going to make things a lot worse for you if
Speaker 2: the wrong person gets in, depending on than you know
Speaker 2: who is in the oval office or who is even
Speaker 2: in the state capitol. It's going to be the local
Speaker 2: officials who will have your back or who will be
Speaker 2: beating you on the back at a higher rate. And
Speaker 2: I think that's the key thing. You look at eighty
Speaker 2: seven thousand new IRS agents and yet there's a lot
Speaker 2: more local law enforcement officials at the sheriff's level and
Speaker 2: things like that that could protect us against this if
Speaker 2: they understand that we're all in this together.
Speaker 5: Yes. In fact, maybe you've interviewed him once or more
Speaker 5: than once, Richard Mack, former sheriff in Arizona. He's got
Speaker 5: the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association or CSPOA, yes
Speaker 5: dot org. And that's exactly the kind of at least
Speaker 5: an organized effort any effort is good. Yeah, but that's
Speaker 5: an organized effort to reach out to each and every
Speaker 5: sheriff across the country, you know, excess of three thousand
Speaker 5: of them. Because one of the many things I admire
Speaker 5: about you is reminding people about, you know, acting locally
Speaker 5: because how much you can how much change you can
Speaker 5: really affect locally just with a sheriff's office. So yeah,
Speaker 5: people that check out.
Speaker 2: And that's a key thing. You know, we can be
Speaker 2: caught up so much of the personalities and the politics,
Speaker 2: and they want to direct us continually to Washington, where
Speaker 2: we have the least ability to affect anything because it
Speaker 2: is so distant from us, and not just geographically, but
Speaker 2: it is there's so many different levels, you know, away
Speaker 2: from us that it is very difficult to have any
Speaker 2: kind of a chance to change anything there. And the
Speaker 2: whole situation is very rigged. Even if we want to
Speaker 2: have an honest election, that's something that we're going to
Speaker 2: have to work for at the local level. They don't
Speaker 2: want us having relationships with each other. They want us
Speaker 2: connected to them in a centralized way through Zoom and
Speaker 2: other things like that, rather than having face to face
Speaker 2: meetings with other people and that's going to be the
Speaker 2: key thing. But I really do think that that is
Speaker 2: the way of the most dangerous ways that this army
Speaker 2: of IRS agents are going to be used, and that
Speaker 2: is to try to shut down any alternative economy that
Speaker 2: would exist. And I think that's going to go for cryptocurrency.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to go for people who try
Speaker 2: to do anything in terms of a barter and local community.
Speaker 2: I think that's what they've got this army of agents for.
Speaker 2: That's my just spidey sense about this, if you will.
Speaker 2: Can't approve it yet, but I think we watched this
Speaker 2: space and I think we're going to see some evid
Speaker 2: that's coming. Well, it's great talking to you, Joe. We're
Speaker 2: gonna have to get you on again. And Agent for
Speaker 2: Truth is where people can find you and the name
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Speaker 2: dot com.
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Speaker 2: Good good, Absolutely, you've been there, You've walked the walk,
Speaker 2: You've kept your integrity. I have the utmost admiration for you, Joe.
Speaker 2: I appreciate what you've done and it has its own reward.
Speaker 2: I know it's been tough for you, but it has
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Speaker 2: the best any of us can do. Thank you for
Speaker 2: what you do. Appreciate that.
Speaker 5: I admire you too, David. Thank you very much for
Speaker 5: having me well.
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Speaker 2: I thought was really good. Conservative Climate Class episode number
Speaker 2: one and you said, you're watching Fox News out Numbered
Speaker 2: and before we talk about this, and you said, look
Speaker 2: at this clip and what is wrong here that is
Speaker 2: happening on Fox News? Or you did an episode about
Speaker 2: the climate radicals from the UK going from town to
Speaker 2: town and letting the air out of SUVs, laying the
Speaker 2: air of the tires of the SUVs and putting, you know,
Speaker 2: a flyer on the windshield lecturing them about climate damage.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to play this clip and then let
Speaker 2: you comment about what happened on Fox News. So here's
Speaker 2: here's a clip that Steve mLOY found on the Outnumbered
Speaker 2: show on Fox News.
Speaker 7: The eco warriors, known as the tire Extinguishers are moving
Speaker 7: across the US. In June, they targeted dozens of SUVs
Speaker 7: in New York City, sneakily letting the air out of tires,
Speaker 7: and their deflating tour is picking up speed. They're hitting
Speaker 7: other cities like San Francisco, Chicago, even Scranton, Pennsylvania. And
Speaker 7: the tire extinguishers also leave behind pamphlets on the windshields
Speaker 7: of the cars that the evandalized, reading, in part, attention
Speaker 7: your gas guzzler kills. We have deflated one or more
Speaker 7: of your tires. You'll be angry, but don't take it personally.
Speaker 7: It's not you, it's your car. This is machine that
Speaker 7: destroys life with terrifying efficiency.
Speaker 3: So I appreciate everyone's concern about people getting to places
Speaker 3: in an emergency, but I don't want to distract from
Speaker 3: the actual point that they're trying to make. Here is
Speaker 3: peaceful protesting is that this would probably not fall under
Speaker 3: civil disobedience is my understanding. But I'm not a scholar.
Speaker 3: Exactly on where the line is. But I do want
Speaker 3: to point out that there has been protesting. There has
Speaker 3: been a tremendous amount of effort from youth, primarily worldwide,
Speaker 3: who have called attention to the climate crisis, which often
Speaker 3: gets denied sadly on this network. And to your point
Speaker 3: about the can and the leather and that you're the
Speaker 3: faster runner, I'm sure that's fat. But the idea that
Speaker 3: we have a different relationship with forark today.
Speaker 4: Thank you not.
Speaker 3: To say that I'm not wearing leather on my shoes, but.
Speaker 5: I just want to bought it.
Speaker 4: It's my property and you don't get to damage it,
Speaker 4: and nor would I damage your property ever in disagreement.
Speaker 3: I think it's really important that we make sure that
Speaker 3: we keep this specific conversation on the climate crisis.
Speaker 5: That were.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, So Steve malloy found that and he
Speaker 2: put that out and he said, see if you can
Speaker 2: guess what the problem is. What is the problem there,
Speaker 2: Steve Teller, audience, Well, the problem.
Speaker 4: Is is that you know, these four very conservative people
Speaker 4: on Fox News point out rightly how wrong it is
Speaker 4: what you know these climate terrorists have been doing in
Speaker 4: England and have now brought to America and it's all indefensible.
Speaker 4: But then, of course, you know, the leftist panel member
Speaker 4: that they have on the show just starts talking climate crisis,
Speaker 4: climate crisis, and she keeps saying climate crisis, and how
Speaker 4: then she justifies what you know, these climate terrorists are
Speaker 4: doing by saying climate crisis, and so she tried to
Speaker 4: outflank them that way. And what was disturbing to me
Speaker 4: is that none of the four conservative panelists on that
Speaker 4: show you went after her for claiming climate crisis. They should,
Speaker 4: they're there's no climate crisis. What's the climate crisis? Describe it.
Speaker 4: It's summertime, it's hot in some places, like it always is,
Speaker 4: and so it just struck me. You know, climate is
Speaker 4: a lot like the Solen twenty twenty election. Conservatives, I'm
Speaker 4: not really allowed to challenge the basic you know, you're
Speaker 4: not allowed to challenge the notion that Biden won, and
Speaker 4: you're not allowed to challenge the notion that, you know,
Speaker 4: greenhouse gas emissions are destroying the planet. And I just
Speaker 4: you know, it's either it's either out of ignorance or
Speaker 4: they've been intimidated or told not to talk about it.
Speaker 4: But I just find it very disturbing that and I'm
Speaker 4: watching the news today and it's the same. You know,
Speaker 4: we have these heat waves going on in Europe and
Speaker 4: in America, and of course, yeah it's hot there, it's
Speaker 4: hot here, but it's cool everywhere else on the planet.
Speaker 4: Today's global warming is about zero point three six fahrenheit
Speaker 4: warmer than the nineteen seven, nine, two thousand average. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's not even really measurable. Yeah, it's hot in some places,
Speaker 4: but it's cool in others.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to get at I want to get
Speaker 2: You've got some great articles about Lake Mead and about
Speaker 2: the Great Salt Lake and all the different narratives that
Speaker 2: are being put out there. I don't want to get
Speaker 2: into that, but you know, before we get away from
Speaker 2: this thing here, it's just amazing to me, as you
Speaker 2: point out, they're not getting at the fundamental issue. They're
Speaker 2: looking at the sizzle and not at the stake because
Speaker 2: they're focused on things that are going to draw people in.
Speaker 2: They're focused on things that are going to be sensational
Speaker 2: for the viewers. And they're also, as you point it out,
Speaker 2: the fundamental thing is not allowed to be challenged, just
Speaker 2: as we've seen for the last two years. You can't
Speaker 2: challenge the fundamental statements about the vaccine or what. You
Speaker 2: can't challenge the mask or them or the mandates. You
Speaker 2: can't challenge ay these that's all off limits. So you
Speaker 2: can kind of, you know, move around this and say
Speaker 2: things like, well, you know, you can't talk about whether
Speaker 2: the vaccine words or whether it's safe, but you can say,
Speaker 2: but if I've had COVID, I shouldn't be mandated to
Speaker 2: take it. Should naturalmunity. That's a side issue. These guys
Speaker 2: are focused on whether or not this is as she
Speaker 2: falsely and that person was Gina Arnold. I'd never seen
Speaker 2: her before. What an annoying speaker she is, not just
Speaker 2: what she says, but the way she says that the
Speaker 2: vocal fry. Wow, yeah, that's you know, but you know
Speaker 2: she is she's the one who's staying though, as annoying
Speaker 2: as she is, she is the one who stays focused
Speaker 2: on the issue.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, she's she knows that what the tire
Speaker 4: extinguishers are doing is wrong. She knows that, but she's
Speaker 4: you know, none of us going to outflank them. She
Speaker 4: knows that. You know, on that panel either has to
Speaker 4: is allowed to or has to cut to challenge the
Speaker 4: basic notion that climate is a hoax. It's a hoax,
Speaker 4: it's not a crisis. You know that. On that show,
Speaker 4: David Webb, who I love, who is a very conservative,
Speaker 4: who knows it climate is nonsense. You know, he starts
Speaker 4: to sort of talk about ev waste and you know,
Speaker 4: solar panel waste or something. He's not talking about climate though.
Speaker 4: The climate hysteria is a hoax. And if the you know,
Speaker 4: they should know that, like you know, they know lots
Speaker 4: of other politics, really well, they should know that. If
Speaker 4: they don't, shame on them for talking about this but
Speaker 4: not knowing anything about the issue.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, And they challenge her. She kind of
Speaker 2: throws it out as I guess maybe a red herring.
Speaker 2: You know, well, I think this is covered under civil disobedience.
Speaker 2: It's like, you're not civilly disobedient, disobeying the government. You're
Speaker 2: attacking somebody's property. And he made that point, but they
Speaker 2: get that's a side issue. The issue, as you point out,
Speaker 2: is the climate issue. You've got a great article also
Speaker 2: at a junk science dot com. What is going to
Speaker 2: happen now after this Supreme Court decision that says the
Speaker 2: EPA has usurped authority that it doesn't have. Your title
Speaker 2: is Scotus has crippled Biden's EPA. But there's only one
Speaker 2: way to stop them for good. What is that way, Steve?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, so Supreme Court said that basically the
Speaker 4: bidenministration cannot regulate climate unless Congress allows them to. And
Speaker 4: in doing that, Congress destroyed the Obama Clean Power Plan,
Speaker 4: which was regulating coal plants, issued in twenty fifteen, which
Speaker 4: helped cause the destruction of the US coal industry, killed
Speaker 4: fifty thousand coal high paying coal miner jobs, devastated communities,
Speaker 4: et cetera. So now you know, where do those people
Speaker 4: go back go to recoup their losses, you know, from
Speaker 4: this illegal government action. But so despite that, you know,
Speaker 4: Biden is set today to you know, announce that he
Speaker 4: doesn't care what the Supreme Court says, he doesn't care
Speaker 4: what Congress says. He's going to go often do climate
Speaker 4: by himself. And you know, I mean, this is crazy.
Speaker 4: We have a totally row regime in.
Speaker 2: Place, that's right, Yeah, you're right. Well, actually you quote
Speaker 2: the sixty three majority of the said Congress did not
Speaker 2: grant EPA. The Authority to devise emissions caps based on
Speaker 2: the generation shifting approach that the agency took to the
Speaker 2: Clean Power Plan. But as you also point out, the
Speaker 2: Biden EPA doesn't really care. They'll just find another way
Speaker 2: to shut these things down. You know, when you talk
Speaker 2: about what happened with coal, and we look at how
Speaker 2: this energy shock, the fuel shock is just going throughout
Speaker 2: our entire economy, oil, gas, all the rest of these things,
Speaker 2: but also coal. I reminded Steve of back in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy nine when we had the opeic shock to our
Speaker 2: energy systems. They were saying, well, we're going to be
Speaker 2: out of oil and natural gas by the mid nineteen eighties.
Speaker 2: That was Time and Newsweek. I've shown that cover many
Speaker 2: times on my show. But then inside of it they said,
Speaker 2: but we've got six hundred and sixty six years of coal,
Speaker 2: and so six sixty six right, so we got to
Speaker 2: get rid of that was they didn't say that, but
Speaker 2: that's what they focused on first. Because we had so
Speaker 2: much coal, they had to do that. This is a
Speaker 2: deliberate program of shutting down our lives. I think I've
Speaker 2: said many times it's not about the emissions, it's about
Speaker 2: the omissions. They want to omit all of this, Yeah,
Speaker 2: from our life, don't they? Yeah?
Speaker 4: And you know it's not at least you know, with
Speaker 4: Jimmy Carter. You know, Jimmy Carter was just incompetent. But
Speaker 4: I mean he did do one thing, you know, in
Speaker 4: response to the nineteen seventies or crisis, Congress and that
Speaker 4: pass and Jimmy Carter signed a law that you know,
Speaker 4: shifted emphasis towards coal for producing electricity and away from
Speaker 4: oil and gas, which was very expensive at the time.
Speaker 4: And that lasted until the Obama administration, which completely obliterated.
Speaker 4: Now here we have another energy crisis, and we still
Speaker 4: have all this coal, and we have even more oil
Speaker 4: and gas. And is Joe Biden tapping any of it
Speaker 4: to lower energy prices to control inflation. No, He's doing
Speaker 4: everything he can to make it worse. He you know,
Speaker 4: his if he declares a climate emergency or whatever executive
Speaker 4: action he's going to try to do, he's just going
Speaker 4: to make gas prices go higher. He's going to make
Speaker 4: electricity prices go higher. He is non incentivized at all.
Speaker 4: You know, his most important thing for him is his
Speaker 4: climate agenda. The rest of us be damned.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Oh it's a deliberate deconstruction of our society.
Speaker 2: I compare him to Nero all the time setting fires
Speaker 2: to burn down our society and then pointing to other people,
Speaker 2: I didn't do it, he did it. You know, he's
Speaker 2: an arsonist. He's an arsonist to our society. But you
Speaker 2: you say, there's another case that is coming up before
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court that is very important. Tell people about that, right, Okay, So.
Speaker 4: You know, like Obama did, Obama was stopped legislatively on
Speaker 4: climate and so what he did then was shift to
Speaker 4: the EPA where he launched his war on coal and
Speaker 4: he issued the Clean Power Play and other regulations which
Speaker 4: were just devastating to the coal in history, unnecessarily devastating,
Speaker 4: produced nothing. So now Joe Biden has been stopped legislatively
Speaker 4: in Congress also, so he's going back to the EPA. Now,
Speaker 4: what he's going to do is he's going to try
Speaker 4: to control coal plant emissions through this back door of
Speaker 4: air quality. And to do that, he's got to have
Speaker 4: the scientific sort of peer review done by a led
Speaker 4: a congressionally mandated review panels called the Clean Air Scientific
Speaker 4: Advisory Committee. Now, when Biden came into office, he fired
Speaker 4: the existing Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee and then reconstituted it.
Speaker 4: And the people he reconstituted with are EPA cronies, people
Speaker 4: who have received tens of millions of dollars in EPA grants. Now,
Speaker 4: the law requires that these people be independent and the
Speaker 4: panel be you know, independent and balanced, But of course
Speaker 4: it's not because it's it's just Scott. It's nothing but
Speaker 4: these EPA cronies. So there is a there's a lawsuit
Speaker 4: right now about this. It's called Young v. E Pa.
Speaker 4: It was argued in court in federal court in d
Speaker 4: C last December. We are waiting for a decision at
Speaker 4: any moment now. Now, if that decision comes down, it's
Speaker 4: going to completely stop the Biden e PA from this.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to regulate climber through the back door of
Speaker 4: air quality. But we're just going to have to see
Speaker 4: what happens. Now.
Speaker 2: That's at a US district court for Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: Is that a left leaning court? Is that likely that
Speaker 2: they're going to call him on that? I know that
Speaker 2: you know it would look attle bit better if it
Speaker 2: was going to go to the Supreme Court. Is that
Speaker 2: a court that you think is going to lean lest however,
Speaker 2: and support Biden.
Speaker 4: Well, it's it's hard to tell. The judge we have
Speaker 4: was appointed by Donald Trump, so that that be good.
Speaker 4: We're just I have you know, federal court decisions, regardless
Speaker 4: of who points at judge, are often hard to predict.
Speaker 4: So we're just gonna have to see. I think I
Speaker 4: think the cases open and shut. I mean, it's clear
Speaker 4: that e PA has illegally stacked these panels. The plaintiff
Speaker 4: is good, he has standing. The judge, although he turned
Speaker 4: down the plant's request for a temporary restraining order against
Speaker 4: e PA at the time, which was February, he told
Speaker 4: e p A that you know, e p A, if
Speaker 4: you continue down this road, you run the risk of
Speaker 4: having are all over. So that's kind of a good sign.
Speaker 4: But we'll see.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know, as I've said many times,
Speaker 2: when we put these things send it to a court,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a box of chocolate. You never
Speaker 2: know what you're going to get, right, Supreme Court. You know,
Speaker 2: just when you think you got these guys figured out,
Speaker 2: they go off in a completely different direction. But you
Speaker 2: know it's now, I guess this this climate emergency, and
Speaker 2: we can talk about how is not an emergency in
Speaker 2: a minute, but let's talk about what the Democrats are
Speaker 2: trying to get Biden to do. As they're screaming emergency, emergency,
Speaker 2: what is it that they're hoping he's going to do
Speaker 2: by executive fiat.
Speaker 4: Well, I don't even think they know. And that's why, well,
Speaker 4: that's why today you know, he's going to be speaking
Speaker 4: in Massachusetts about climate and they were hoping he would
Speaker 4: announce an emergency but it doesn't look like he's going
Speaker 4: to because he doesn't really know what he can do.
Speaker 4: You know, he can, as we mentioned earlier, you know,
Speaker 4: he can try to regulate climate through the back door
Speaker 4: at e PA. You know, he could he could possibly,
Speaker 4: you know, do something to halt oil drilling, gas drilling
Speaker 4: on federal lands offshore, on shore, But does he really
Speaker 4: want to do that during crisis? I mean, that would
Speaker 4: be pretty you know, Biden says I'm doing everything I
Speaker 4: can to reduce gas prices and it's not really true,
Speaker 4: but I mean that would be really openly hostile to
Speaker 4: stop oil drilling. I don't know, you know, I don't
Speaker 4: know if you want to talk about this later, but
Speaker 4: you know, the new York Times just released a poll
Speaker 4: which I had to dig on their website to find it,
Speaker 4: and I only accidentally came across this. They did a
Speaker 4: poll with Siena College and reported that among voters only
Speaker 4: one percent, only one percent prioritize climate And if you
Speaker 4: look at the cross tabulations in the age group forty
Speaker 4: five to sixty four, it was zero percent, and among
Speaker 4: Latinos it was zero percent, and of course among Republicans
Speaker 4: it was zero percent. Whereas you know, it's like thirty
Speaker 4: five percent prioritize of the economy and inflation.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I've talked about this and the fact that,
Speaker 2: you know, it's the economy stupid for the longest time
Speaker 2: we've not you know, this is the old axiom that
Speaker 2: goes back to the Clinton administration when he was running
Speaker 2: for reelection. He had the Monica Lewinsky scandals and all
Speaker 2: the rest of this stuff and being investigated, impeached, you know,
Speaker 2: and what was happening in Europe, But none of that
Speaker 2: stuff mattered. It was the economy. But you know, Biden's
Speaker 2: got exactly the opposite problem, and everybody is upset about
Speaker 2: the economy. I mean, it is virtually they broke that
Speaker 2: down if it's the same pole that I saw. They
Speaker 2: broke down the economy in about four or five different categories,
Speaker 2: and you total up all the and those are the
Speaker 2: top ones. And if you toted up all those different
Speaker 2: facets of the economy that people are worried about, that's
Speaker 2: pretty much everything that everybody is concerned about right now.
Speaker 2: But he's going to focus on the zero to one
Speaker 2: percent concern that is out there, so hopefully that will
Speaker 2: not work out.
Speaker 4: Right now, Well, yeah, you know, I think at one
Speaker 4: percent that is you know, prioritizees climate. I think they
Speaker 4: all work in the media and the White House.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: People live in a bubble that is unimaginable.
Speaker 2: Well, you know when they're talking about this though, as
Speaker 2: you point out, they don't even know what he's going
Speaker 2: to be able to do, but they want him to
Speaker 2: declare an emergency because this is now the way that
Speaker 2: we're all governed, you know, And I've talked about this
Speaker 2: for the longest time. I got a clip from the
Speaker 2: Russians are coming. The Russians are coming. Everybody get from
Speaker 2: the emergency, right, and so this is the type of thing.
Speaker 2: They just declare an emergency. Then that supposedly gives them
Speaker 2: the ability to just you know, act as a dictator.
Speaker 2: And so that's really what they're they're saying, we want
Speaker 2: you to become a climate dictator. You know, Steve, I've
Speaker 2: talked about this many times. I call it the climate mcguffin,
Speaker 2: just like we had a COVID mcguffin. Hitchcock talked about
Speaker 2: how the mcguffin was this imaginary thing that motivated all
Speaker 2: the characters. Didn't really matter what it was as long
Speaker 2: as people didn't ask too many questions about it, you know,
Speaker 2: it just had to motivate the characters. And we've seen this.
Speaker 2: You and I have been watching this climate stuff for
Speaker 2: a long time, and so we've seen how it's going
Speaker 2: to be global cooling, that it was going to be
Speaker 2: global warming, and then it's going to be just climate change.
Speaker 2: But it was always the same thing that had to
Speaker 2: be done. And then when COVID happened, lo and behold,
Speaker 2: it's the same thing again. And now back to the
Speaker 2: to the COVID mcguffin. But they just they want the
Speaker 2: emergency power because they have a set of agenda things
Speaker 2: that they want to do, and that one of them
Speaker 2: is to basically destroy our economy, take away our energy,
Speaker 2: and make us poor and depending on them.
Speaker 4: That's the funny their agenda. And I don't really understand
Speaker 4: where where this comes from, but there is a large
Speaker 4: percentage of the population that has banded together in a
Speaker 4: political force that just wants to be able to do
Speaker 4: what they want to do to anybody at any time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and you know, the rule of law be damned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. And they don't realize how that's going
Speaker 2: to bounce back on them. That's on pointed time. You
Speaker 2: know the problem with your having your guy be the
Speaker 2: dictator is your guy may not always be the dictator.
Speaker 2: You set up a dictatorship that's going to come back
Speaker 2: and bite you pretty badly. Our old friend Ed Markey
Speaker 2: and for years and years ago, it's been almost ten
Speaker 2: years the EPA fraud that was being done in Research
Speaker 2: Triangle Park, and of course Ed Markey was just a
Speaker 2: congressman at the time. He's working with Obama's EPA director
Speaker 2: Lisa Jackson, and they were telling everybody that it wasn't
Speaker 2: just about people getting sick, but more people are dying
Speaker 2: of fine particular matter than we're dying of cancer. This
Speaker 2: is the end, they had scripted this back and forth.
Speaker 2: So now Marky is a senator, he's been rewarded for
Speaker 2: all that, and he wants to Biden to band further
Speaker 2: drilling on public lands as part of this climate emergency.
Speaker 2: I mean, they want to shut down all energies, don't they.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, it's it's really incredible. You know, we are
Speaker 4: seeing in Europe, you know, this whole global energy crisis,
Speaker 4: the war in Ukraine itself. Europe is going to have
Speaker 4: to ration energy this winter, and it's all because of
Speaker 4: you know, green policy, what I call climate idiocy. You know,
Speaker 4: the only you can't have a growing economy and a
Speaker 4: rising stamlimity a living when you try to constrain energy.
Speaker 4: But that is what these people are trying to do.
Speaker 4: You know, Germany has paid Germans paid the highest electricity
Speaker 4: prices in the world. They have all these windmills, all
Speaker 4: these solar panels, but in reality there's still a heat
Speaker 4: wave over their emissions are going up. They've accomplished nothing.
Speaker 4: Now they have to ration energy. This whole green thing
Speaker 4: has been a disaster. But the leftist just you know,
Speaker 4: they they can't give it up. And you know, we
Speaker 4: have the same disease. In America, it's called the Democrat Party,
Speaker 4: and of course there are a lot of Republicans that
Speaker 4: fall for this nonsense too, and it's it's really disturbing,
Speaker 4: and I'm not quite sure what we're gonna, you know,
Speaker 4: do about it, because it is quite a disease.
Speaker 2: Well, and the amazing thing is that this disease I
Speaker 2: call it can't has really metastasized to all of our
Speaker 2: vital organs.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: It is not just the energy that is vital for
Speaker 2: these long supply chains that we have just in time
Speaker 2: delivery and everything, or the manufacture or you know, using
Speaker 2: it for you know, agricultural purposes and that type of thing.
Speaker 2: But now it is metastasized. And this whole energy war
Speaker 2: has become a part of this Ukraine war. And so
Speaker 2: I've got a headline here from artist Steve that says
Speaker 2: a heat wave kills hundreds in Spain and Portugal. Well,
Speaker 2: you know, the Russians are pushing this out because they've
Speaker 2: got Europe in a tight spot as they are going
Speaker 2: to be withholding the gas from them, and so this
Speaker 2: is just putting more and more pressure on their enemies,
Speaker 2: you know about energy and that type of thing, and
Speaker 2: so we see how this is being played out. But
Speaker 2: it is in so many different areas, are coming after
Speaker 2: our food, our transportation, everything in our economy, and it
Speaker 2: all comes back to the climate change and they're using
Speaker 2: that to attack our energy production in our food.
Speaker 4: And you raised a very good point. You know, Putin
Speaker 4: has paid climate activists to stop Europe from fracking so
Speaker 4: that Europe would get hooked on Russian oil and gas,
Speaker 4: and Putin funds a lot of these climate groups to
Speaker 4: just you know, keep pushing the hysteria. And more than Putin,
Speaker 4: you know, I mean it's China does the same thing.
Speaker 4: Congress was investigating whether communists China was paying us environmental
Speaker 4: groups to you know wreck the economy. That's an old
Speaker 4: that's sort of Soviet concept wrecking the economy. But when
Speaker 4: Democrats took over, they killed the investigation. But so now
Speaker 4: we have you know, this whole ESG movement. The ESG
Speaker 4: investors environmental, social and corporate governance like you know LED
Speaker 4: like Black Rock and State Street, all these huge banks,
Speaker 4: investment houses like Gold and Sachs. You know, they all
Speaker 4: profit in China, and I think they're allowed to profit
Speaker 4: in China so that they pushed the climate idiocy on
Speaker 4: the rest of us.
Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. I want to get into that
Speaker 2: ESG stuff. But let's not leave the temperature things just yet,
Speaker 2: because this heat wave stuff we're seeing the panic of
Speaker 2: you know, people are dying, Hundreds are dying. They said
Speaker 2: heat wave kills hundreds in Spain and Portugal. This is
Speaker 2: our t telling everybody. You know, it was just back
Speaker 2: in the end of March. You remember, Steve, when they
Speaker 2: were telling everybody, look that the temperature just jumped forty
Speaker 2: degrees centigrade and the Antarctic and the Arctic, you remember that,
Speaker 2: And I was like, wait a minute, how could that
Speaker 2: possibly be because that's one hundred and four degrees fahrenheit, folks,
Speaker 2: And if that were to happen at both poles, as
Speaker 2: they were telling everybody, how is it that we didn't
Speaker 2: see any jump here? You know? Well that was the
Speaker 2: idiotic and you remember what happened with it. What that
Speaker 2: was all based on, Right, it's just based on their projections.
Speaker 2: They didn't even measure anything. It only lasted for two days, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Look, anytime there's a heat wave, people die. The good
Speaker 4: news is that a lot less people are dying from
Speaker 4: heat waves today than used to because we have air
Speaker 4: conditioning and you know, we're just smarter about these things.
Speaker 2: Oh but they got a plan for that too, though.
Speaker 2: They don't run the air conditioning, so we can kill
Speaker 2: more people, get rid of the air condited, not just
Speaker 2: the food in the field, but the air conditioning too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: We talked about this earlier. You know. It's yeah, it's
Speaker 4: hot in Europe, and it's hot maybe someplace else in Midwest,
Speaker 4: but it's cold other places, and it all averages out.
Speaker 4: And the con David, remember the con was originally called
Speaker 4: global warming. That's that's the con. And if you look,
Speaker 4: is the globe really warming? Well not today today, there's
Speaker 4: really no global warming because the cold is offsetting the
Speaker 4: heat of the places. And so their narrative has failed.
Speaker 4: And it's frustrated to me that, you know, the fact
Speaker 4: that that narrative has failed. You can't you can't get
Speaker 4: that on TV anyplace. You can't get that on Fox News.
Speaker 4: You can't get that on and nobody wants to talk
Speaker 4: about that, and I don't understand why.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it's interesting thing about this whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's a heat wave over there, but really the globe
Speaker 4: is not really warmer over the past forty years.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: So it's just weather.
Speaker 2: That's right. It's just weather, and there's no instinction between it.
Speaker 2: And we see that on people who are pushing back
Speaker 2: on it as well. You know, they will say the
Speaker 2: same thing when it gets really cold. Weather is not climate,
Speaker 2: and you have to have the data for a very
Speaker 2: long time. But we do have data now for a
Speaker 2: very long time, and we have shown that there is
Speaker 2: no climate change. You know, there's weather variations. And let's
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the weather as well. You've
Speaker 2: got a couple of good articles, one of them about
Speaker 2: Lake Mead and then the other one about the Great
Speaker 2: Salt Lake. Let's talk about Lake Mead first. The article
Speaker 2: at junkscience dot com is is Lake Mead shrinking because
Speaker 2: of climate? Let's talk about that. Tell people, is it drinking? Well?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, well, lake neaed is shrinking? Is it climate? Well,
Speaker 4: you know, if you look back at Lake Meads history,
Speaker 4: you know, just maybe I think fifty years ago, the
Speaker 4: nineteen sixties, it was as low then as it is today.
Speaker 4: So is that climate, No, it's something else. It's it's
Speaker 4: probably you know, it may not be raining, but that
Speaker 4: once again is weather. You know, drought is a natural
Speaker 4: condition out there. It is the desert. But there's also
Speaker 4: water usage. You know, we have ramped up water users.
Speaker 4: The point is is that this has happened before. It
Speaker 4: could not have been climate because there was a lot
Speaker 4: less carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. So it's not that
Speaker 4: it's just you know, these things happen. It's probably mismanagement.
Speaker 4: It's got nothing to do with you know, CO two emissions,
Speaker 4: and the same thing is happening at the Great Salt Lake.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you look back in the history, Gray
Speaker 4: Salt Lake goes up, you know, its level goes up
Speaker 4: and down, and it has nothing to do with carbon dioxide.
Speaker 4: But of course in the media, you know, they only
Speaker 4: look at what's going on today, and so you know,
Speaker 4: if there's something bad happening today, regardless of what has
Speaker 4: ever happened in the past, it's happening bad today. It's
Speaker 4: got to be climate change. And it's just i mean,
Speaker 4: almost everything is blamed on climate change.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. As a matter of fact, you actually
Speaker 2: go back and you go to the data. You know,
Speaker 2: for several decades and you show the charts in your article.
Speaker 2: It had low points in nineteen fifty six and nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty five, and it still hasn't gotten back that. Even
Speaker 2: though it's very low now, it hasn't gotten back to
Speaker 2: those points. And then we talked about the Great Salt Lake.
Speaker 2: You point out this is coming from the New York
Speaker 2: Times by as you call him. I think it's true,
Speaker 2: imbecile economist, Paul Krugman. This is an economist, right, Maybe
Speaker 2: maybe he would go back and look at the data
Speaker 2: to know what he's talking about. Is this something? Oh, look,
Speaker 2: it's low. It must be. I can use this for
Speaker 2: my narrative. And that's exactly what they get.
Speaker 4: And you know what's incredible, David, is that none of
Speaker 4: this is rocket science. I mean I don't spend half
Speaker 4: my day looking for this data. I just do a
Speaker 4: Google search and in seconds, in seconds, I come up
Speaker 4: with this. They could do the same thing, but of
Speaker 4: course they don't want to.
Speaker 2: That's right. No, No, they don't want to, and they
Speaker 2: want to they want to hide the actual data. And
Speaker 2: of course I think you were involved in that, just
Speaker 2: like I was trying to get that information about Michael Mann,
Speaker 2: who came up of a hockey stick thing that was
Speaker 2: used by al Gore viciously fought and eventually one in
Speaker 2: court to be able to hide the data, even after
Speaker 2: we had emails between him and other people saying, hey,
Speaker 2: our models aren't working. How do we fix this? How
Speaker 2: do we massage the data? How do we hide the data?
Speaker 2: How do we hide the decline? And we said, all right,
Speaker 2: you've published your results and you were paid at a
Speaker 2: public institution. This has been used to craft public policy.
Speaker 2: Can we see your data? No, you can't see the data. Well,
Speaker 2: I think we know, you know, I think we know
Speaker 2: what's going on with these guys. And that's exactly what
Speaker 2: happened with all this COVID mcguffin. You know, they just
Speaker 2: keep rolling the same mo everywhere there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and once again, you know, it's really Republicans that
Speaker 4: are letting us down. I mean, we elect these people,
Speaker 4: none of this. You know, Rand Paul is trying to
Speaker 4: fight back, but most these other people they're just sort
Speaker 4: of silent and let it. You know, they don't really
Speaker 4: do anything. And the other side is really aggressive. Yeah,
Speaker 4: even if they're wrong, that's what they become more aggressive.
Speaker 4: Look at Fauci, what a sick s ob that guy
Speaker 4: is why is he still in the government at his age.
Speaker 4: He's never been right about anything. He's a malignant dwarf. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he is making our lives miserable. And why is
Speaker 4: he still there? What was Trump thinking?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, even you know, I walked the plank. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he even had people yelling firefacci firefaction goes well for me,
Speaker 2: we'll see what I can do. Yet And he didn't
Speaker 2: do anything. I mean after the election, he did nothing.
Speaker 2: He had sixty days he did nothing. You you talked
Speaker 2: a little bit about what is happening in Texas. Now
Speaker 2: they've got telling people, you know, before they do rolling
Speaker 2: brown outs or blackouts, or telling industrial customers to shut
Speaker 2: it down so they don't have to take away air
Speaker 2: conditioning from voters two months before the election. So I've
Speaker 2: experienced this when I was there and they had the
Speaker 2: windmills that froze. And now the windmills are not producing
Speaker 2: in the middle of it anyway, what a surprise, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Well? Yeah, and you know, even in a red state
Speaker 4: like Texas, the Republican politicians have been purchased by the
Speaker 4: wind industry and allowed to They have destroyed the electricity
Speaker 4: grid in Texas, so that you know, you mentioned that
Speaker 4: Valentine's Day twenty twenty one disaster where you know, two
Speaker 4: hundred people died because the windmills froze and blackouts ensued. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and now you know, we're having the increasing likelihood of
Speaker 4: blackouts in Texas and rationally because the wind industry has
Speaker 4: been allowed to purchase politicians. Right, and it's you know,
Speaker 4: what do you do? Do you attack Governor Greg Abbott
Speaker 4: and all the other Republican governors so that they get
Speaker 4: replaced by Democrats who are gonna be worse. I mean,
Speaker 4: we are in a real fix. Yeah, We've got to
Speaker 4: We've got to fix us ourselves.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the entire time I
Speaker 2: was there for about a little over nine years, I
Speaker 2: watched them decommissioning power plant after power plant, and this
Speaker 2: is what's happening across our country. And there was a
Speaker 2: tremendous amount I forget how many billions of dollars or
Speaker 2: tens of billions of dollars that the State of Texas
Speaker 2: gave to these people who were already billionaires the same
Speaker 2: type of thing they do, you know, for putting in
Speaker 2: football stadiums or baseball stadiums or something like that, gave
Speaker 2: them a tremendous amount of money to build this infrastructure
Speaker 2: for these windmills, large windmill fields there, and yet they're
Speaker 2: not able to deliver. And so it was all about
Speaker 2: graft and corruption. And they bought these officials and they
Speaker 2: put this in there. And these people, and a lot of
Speaker 2: them had had been people who had been in the
Speaker 2: oil and natural gas industry because and they wanted to
Speaker 2: get in on the ground floor of something that was
Speaker 2: completely new and different and force people through the government
Speaker 2: to make that change and to get the government to
Speaker 2: subsidize it. I mean, it's just corruption writ large, right.
Speaker 4: No, And none of this stuff works. We know it
Speaker 4: doesn't work, and it's not going to work anytime soon.
Speaker 4: And of course, you know the dirty little secret behind
Speaker 4: all this. Not only does it not work and it
Speaker 4: costs more money, it all comes from China. It doesn't
Speaker 4: come from here, that's right. And you know, if we
Speaker 4: were to, if it were even possible to get hooked
Speaker 4: up on this stuff, we would be at the mercy
Speaker 4: of communists China. Because it's the it's where wind comes,
Speaker 4: the wind, the rare air earths that make the windmills work,
Speaker 4: the solar same with the solar panels. You know, slave
Speaker 4: labor is China. The EV batteries of all the rare
Speaker 4: earths and cobalt processing happens in China. I mean, this
Speaker 4: is just a disaster. Yet we're letting it happen. And
Speaker 4: you know, the investors in these windmills and the utilities,
Speaker 4: they make money from putting this stuff up. They make
Speaker 4: money now, and so they get their bone, the you know, managements,
Speaker 4: get their bonuses and everything now and the rest of
Speaker 4: us are left with, you know, the craft that doesn't work.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, And this goes back just like Earth
Speaker 2: Day in the environmental movement, this goes back to you know,
Speaker 2: the seventies and Nixon administration where they put China in
Speaker 2: the catbird seat. They made the decision that they were
Speaker 2: going to let these people be the center of the
Speaker 2: global economy. They had slave labor, they had other things
Speaker 2: that they could use, and they've really been used I
Speaker 2: think Steve as a beta test site for all this
Speaker 2: stuff you talked about. You had a tweet you said,
Speaker 2: a creepy, elitist, power crazed World Economic Forum call treatment
Speaker 2: call three even higher gas prices to hasten the green
Speaker 2: energy transition, and yeah, that's absolutely true. You know, at
Speaker 2: least you can see what the World Economic Forum is
Speaker 2: putting up out there. I looked at that and it's
Speaker 2: like like, oh, that's right. I can't view anything they've
Speaker 2: got because they blocked me. I didn't realize they blocked me.
Speaker 2: I hadn't even trolled them by saying stuff like that,
Speaker 2: we would be careful, they're going to block you. I'd
Speaker 2: never directly attacked them and call them creepy, elitist, power
Speaker 2: crazed people, which they are, but I never addressed them
Speaker 2: directly those adjectives. But they preemptively blocked me. Kind of strange,
Speaker 2: but yeah, that is really where I think. You know,
Speaker 2: these these politicians that you pointed out, with this two
Speaker 2: party system, they only have to be slightly better than
Speaker 2: the other guy, and then they can essentially ford this
Speaker 2: agenda that is anti American and anti human. And this
Speaker 2: is what is happening in country after country, you know,
Speaker 2: whether you're looking at New Zealand or Canada, and it's
Speaker 2: what happened during the COVID thing. But that's Sport's happening.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you mentioned something very important there. This is an
Speaker 4: anti human agenda. Yeah, you all that. In the mid
Speaker 4: nineteen sixties, Paul Arlick wrote The Population Bomb and is
Speaker 4: still a full professor Stanford and is a member of
Speaker 4: prestigious National Academy. Size. Guy's never been right about anything anyway.
Speaker 4: He said that the carrying capacity of the planet is
Speaker 4: about two billion people. Well, later this year we are
Speaker 4: forecast to hit eight billion people. And I think that
Speaker 4: these people, the World Economic Forum and the people that
Speaker 4: get involved with them, and Democrats and leftists, they really
Speaker 4: think that six billion people need to step off the planet,
Speaker 4: and they're doing the best they can to get us there.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh absolutely. Yeah. He looked at Georgia guidestones
Speaker 2: that somebody just fortunately took out for us. I don't
Speaker 2: know what was up about that, but you know, they
Speaker 2: had even just a half a billion, you know, they
Speaker 2: were even morem Althusian than Paul Erlick. I didn't know
Speaker 2: he was still around, let alone teaching. I thought, was
Speaker 2: that guy, what is he like ninety years old or something?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't hear very often. He blocked me.
Speaker 2: So there you go. Yeah, we're being shut down. We
Speaker 2: can no longer allowed to see evil or to hear evil,
Speaker 2: because we'll speak about evil. So the World Economic Forum
Speaker 2: blocks me, he blocks you. That's that's funny. Yeah, Germany
Speaker 2: is planning warm up spaces for this winter. They're going
Speaker 2: to be wishing for global warming pretty soon, aren't they.
Speaker 2: I mean, and we're seeing and we've talked about this
Speaker 2: many times in the past, how it was already long
Speaker 2: ago because the high prices in Germany as they were
Speaker 2: rolling into this expensive pensioners and people who didn't have
Speaker 2: the money to cut back on the term and and
Speaker 2: that's really going to be coming up big time this fall,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's really weird. You know there Germany, which
Speaker 4: used to be a technological leader. You know, they've fallen
Speaker 4: through this green stuff which doesn't work. They're shutting down
Speaker 4: their nuclear plants. Maybe they're slowing some of that down
Speaker 4: now they're going to have to reopen coal plants, you know,
Speaker 4: against their agenda. But just today there's more news bootin'
Speaker 4: is you know, squeezing the moro on gas and you
Speaker 4: know they're thinking about, yeah, we're going to need to
Speaker 4: have communal eating places and how else can we crash
Speaker 4: and electricity. I mean, the whole thing is just a disaster,
Speaker 4: and you kind of wonder, like, why aren't people up
Speaker 4: in arms about this. Instead, they elect this new green government,
Speaker 4: you know, they get rid of Merkele, who is bad enough.
Speaker 4: Now they have been forced to reopen like twenty seven
Speaker 4: coal plants. Yeah, but they don't want to and they
Speaker 4: can't wait to shut them down again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Yeah. As a matter of fact, Soro said,
Speaker 2: Davos was just railing about how Merkele had thrown them
Speaker 2: under the bus because she hadn't done enough to do
Speaker 2: renewables and left them vulnerable to these fossil fuels and everything,
Speaker 2: which is really the only thing that's going to keep
Speaker 2: them alive come winter. It's pretty amazing. And they're now
Speaker 2: talking and all the different places in Europe about well,
Speaker 2: should we let the peasants go out and gather wood
Speaker 2: so they can heat themselves. You know, they're seriously you know,
Speaker 2: you know, they're talking about gathering wood for fuel, but
Speaker 2: they're not fully on board that because you know, we
Speaker 2: shouldn't let them be able to go through uh and
Speaker 2: collect uh, you know, deadwood out of the forest to
Speaker 2: heat themselves. It's amazing it's turning medieval, isn't it.
Speaker 4: It is totally medieval. And you know, now we have
Speaker 4: this sort of looming global food crisis because you know,
Speaker 4: Russia can't export its wheat and will let Ukraine to
Speaker 4: explore its and you know in America we burn grain
Speaker 4: for it, we burn food for energy because we have
Speaker 4: all these athmol exactly, you would like who is in
Speaker 4: charge and who votes for these people? And what schools
Speaker 4: did they go to? I don't I don't know where
Speaker 4: everywhere all these people came from, because they've all lost
Speaker 4: their minds.
Speaker 2: Well, they're they're graduates of the World Economic Forum. Klaus
Speaker 2: Robin's got.
Speaker 4: Is those people. But David, how did they acquire all
Speaker 4: this power and all this money? Because they are obviously
Speaker 4: too stupid to do anything. Yeah, how did it happen?
Speaker 2: Well, you know, they're smart enough to get into these institutions.
Speaker 2: I've had people ask me, they say, how did we
Speaker 2: wind up with all the universities and schools being controlled
Speaker 2: by these radical leftist liberals and things like? Well, because
Speaker 2: you know, they they love it, They love those institutions
Speaker 2: and they want to be part of them. These are
Speaker 2: the kinds of people when we were in high school.
Speaker 2: They wanted to be the leaders of student government. You know,
Speaker 2: I didn't want to have anything to do with it,
Speaker 2: but you know it works out for them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll go to step further. I mean, they have
Speaker 4: purposely captured these institutions, which is not they just gravitate there.
Speaker 4: They have purposely captured them.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 4: You know, there was a great radio series starting Dana
Speaker 4: Andrews from the nineteen fifties. I was a communist for
Speaker 4: the FBI and I used to and the episodes are
Speaker 4: great because they explain how since the nineteen twenties, and
Speaker 4: they do it through you know, recreations of story by
Speaker 4: FBI ages of how communists have purposely tried to capture
Speaker 4: these institution shoots, yes, and control them for their for
Speaker 4: these purposes.
Speaker 2: That's right. Yeah, the Frankfort Institute, they made it a
Speaker 2: deliberate goal to capture Hollywood and things like that, and
Speaker 2: they they've been very successful at that. It's been a
Speaker 2: long running plan. Yeah, you talk about and we were
Speaker 2: mentioning air conditioning earlier. Uh, and you got an article
Speaker 2: junk science dot com ozone hole depletion hysteria debunked anew
Speaker 2: tell us about that because they're just rolling out they're
Speaker 2: about to rev the version of refrigerate that we got
Speaker 2: yet again. You know, they did it once before and
Speaker 2: said sorry, you can't have that. Now we got something
Speaker 2: that's going to be safe for the ozone layer and
Speaker 2: now as their patent, I guess is about to expire.
Speaker 2: That was Eric Peters take on that.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 4: And Republicans yeah, like John Kennedy and Bill Cassie and
Speaker 4: Louisiana behind this, Yes, so o's other whole steria born
Speaker 4: in the nineteen seventies. The guys that discovered the chemistry
Speaker 4: behind ozone hole hysteria won the Nobel Prize. And what
Speaker 4: they discovered was there, you know, was some thinning over
Speaker 4: the Antarctic and the ozone layer which protects us from
Speaker 4: the UV layer from the UV radiation from the sun.
Speaker 4: It wasn't a hole, it was just some thinning. No
Speaker 4: one really understood it. These guys figured out that chloroflora
Speaker 4: carbons are refrigerants. When they escape into the atmosphere, they
Speaker 4: destroy the ozo and for that they won the Nobel Prize.
Speaker 4: We got the Montreal Protocol, which was pushed by environmentalists
Speaker 4: of course, as well as DuPont, who was losing its
Speaker 4: patents on CFC's And of course since then we've been
Speaker 4: on this all. You know, we keep replacing refrigerants and
Speaker 4: they keep getting needlessly more expensive. Well, a couple of
Speaker 4: weeks ago, they you know, I never believed ozone hysteria.
Speaker 4: It's true, the chemistry.
Speaker 2: Neither did I let me ask you this too. I
Speaker 2: mean I was always under the impression that had never
Speaker 2: looked before. I mean, they never looked before. Did they
Speaker 2: ever looking at the ozone layer over the poles? Was
Speaker 2: that it was the first time they looked at as
Speaker 2: I know, there's a thinning there, and so that.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, so and so two weeks ago there's a
Speaker 4: study that comes out that says, you know what, there's
Speaker 4: been an ozone hole over the tropics since the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 4: They didn't even notice it because there was nothing happening,
Speaker 4: because there's nothing there. It's just, you know, we have
Speaker 4: an excess of protective ozone stratospirit. If it gets thin
Speaker 4: here and there, it doesn't really matter. And so the
Speaker 4: whole thing has been a hoax. Now, I remember more
Speaker 4: than about twenty years ago, when al Gore was developing
Speaker 4: his slide show. I was in a meeting where I
Speaker 4: got to see the slide show and he made this remark.
Speaker 4: In his mark was, you know the purpose of the
Speaker 4: Montreal Protocol was not to protect the ozone layer. It
Speaker 4: was to show that we could get a global climate tree.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, it's about global government. And that is where
Speaker 4: we are now because out of the Montreal Protocol comes
Speaker 4: the you know, the the United Nations Framework on Climate Change,
Speaker 4: which you know George Bush the Elder signed in nineteen
Speaker 4: ninety two in Rio, and out of that was the
Speaker 4: Kyoto Protocol in the Paris Climate Court. So all this stuff,
Speaker 4: you know, the fruit of the poisonous tree, the poisonous
Speaker 4: tree is the Montreal Protocol totally bogus. There's there's no
Speaker 4: problem with the ozone. There never has been. We paid
Speaker 4: needlessly more for refrigerants. We have Senator Kennedy and Bill
Speaker 4: Cassidy and other Republicans going along with Democrats, you know,
Speaker 4: signing a bill at the end of the Trump administration
Speaker 4: to force ep to make EPA, force us out of
Speaker 4: the refrigerants we're using right now. Now, there's an amendment
Speaker 4: to the Montreal Protocol that's been in the Senate right
Speaker 4: now that Senator Kennedy's probably for as well as Bill
Speaker 4: Cassidy because the refrigerant industry and the environmental start pushing
Speaker 4: It's called the Kigali Amendment, and it's going to force
Speaker 4: us out of our current refrigerast into something into technology
Speaker 4: that does not even exist yet. Wow, the whole thing
Speaker 4: is a nightmare. You know, people think Senator Kennedy's funny
Speaker 4: when he goes on TVs as all sorts of folksy things.
Speaker 4: I'd like to see someone ask satat to Kennedy about this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, the Kagaliy Amendment. It sounds like a Gellian
Speaker 2: That's amazing. That's the way they pushed us. You know,
Speaker 2: you're talking about this, and they had to have see
Speaker 2: if they could get a world agreement. And I've talked
Speaker 2: to we were talking before about how the plan for
Speaker 2: the longest time has been depopulation and going back to
Speaker 2: when the Pope put out his climate in cyclical. Guy
Speaker 2: who was very instrumental in that, who was the Vatican
Speaker 2: Science Director that was writing that was John schellen Hooper,
Speaker 2: and he had been at the right hand of Prince
Speaker 2: Charleston had been conspiring to do this World League thing
Speaker 2: and a Planetary Council and an Earth constitution. I mean,
Speaker 2: everything about these guys is to centralize all power and
Speaker 2: wealth into their hands globally and to depopulate everybody else.
Speaker 2: And it just keeps you know, you have all these
Speaker 2: different organizations, but they all have the same goal and
Speaker 2: it's that and you have the same people that keep
Speaker 2: you know, showing up in all of these these organizations
Speaker 2: for global control and world depopulation. It truly is amazing.
Speaker 2: Let's talk, I said, we get to the ESG stuff.
Speaker 2: Let's talk a little bit about the ESG because now
Speaker 2: these scorers are really the new corporate minch mark, aren't they.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're not really worried about Moody's or any
Speaker 2: financial ratings. Now we're worried about the ESG score that
Speaker 2: everybody's got.
Speaker 4: Well. Yeah, the whole notion is that, you know, we
Speaker 4: the left can't get more stringent environmental and social standards
Speaker 4: through Congress, so they're going to They've created these you know,
Speaker 4: fake international bodies that are imposing these standards through left
Speaker 4: wing investors on corporations. It's a you know, it's it's
Speaker 4: basically a communist plot. To circumvent democracy, to capture corporations
Speaker 4: for their political purposes. And it's working. And you know,
Speaker 4: this is led by Wall Street firms, Goldman Sachs, especially
Speaker 4: Black Rocks, State Street banks, people that mentioned that manage
Speaker 4: our pensions and manage pension funds for states. They use
Speaker 4: all our money to amass political power for themselves. Now,
Speaker 4: you know, there is a pushback. States like Texas have
Speaker 4: pushed back against Black Rock Tennessee from other states, and
Speaker 4: there's a growing West Virginia. There's a growing movement among
Speaker 4: red states to push back against these guys. But of
Speaker 4: course the bankers are pushing back on their own and
Speaker 4: it's a real struggle. And you have also the Biden
Speaker 4: Securities and Exchange Commission. You know, it's it's got all
Speaker 4: these you know, it's starting to get itself involved in ESG,
Speaker 4: pushing ESG rules. They've also got a proposed rule to
Speaker 4: require companies disclose their greenhouse gas emissions and what they're
Speaker 4: doing on climate. And the whole purpose of this is
Speaker 4: really to capture the corporation. And we talked about how
Speaker 4: the left has captured all virtually every institution in America. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and we've seen now with woke corporations. They have made
Speaker 4: substantial progress in capturing those corporations. And you know, as
Speaker 4: someone who does shareholder activism myself, you know, I can
Speaker 4: see they certainly have made tremendous progress against corporations and
Speaker 4: so ESG is just another tool to you know, help
Speaker 4: bring that about.
Speaker 2: That's right. You've gone to the Exxon meeting for example,
Speaker 2: and others and standing up and say what are you doing?
Speaker 2: Because they're not they're not focused on their product, they're
Speaker 2: not focused on their customer. They've got one customer, and
Speaker 2: that is the you know, the people who are doing
Speaker 2: the ESG ratings and the government it is to do.
Speaker 2: They're bidding and that's one of the reasons why you
Speaker 2: see so much contempt for their customers from the big corporations.
Speaker 2: But it's really being driven by black Rock, as you
Speaker 2: pointed out Vanguard, I mean, the big three holding companies.
Speaker 2: They've got about thirty trillion dollars worth of stock and
Speaker 2: they're using that as leverage against these corporations. And now,
Speaker 2: like I said before, you know, they used to have
Speaker 2: Moody's and other financial rating scores and things like that,
Speaker 2: but now they're all concerned about their ESG scores. There's
Speaker 2: a new MIT Sloan study says, hey, we're seeing widespread
Speaker 2: and repeated retroactive changes to ESG scores. So they're looking
Speaker 2: at this like somebody would raise a red flag about
Speaker 2: someone manipulating the Moody ratings or something like, well, what's
Speaker 2: going on here? You know, this is the way we
Speaker 2: evaluate corporations anymore. It's not by their profits, it's not
Speaker 2: by products. It's now by are they going to push
Speaker 2: the environmental agenda? Are they going to push this diversity,
Speaker 2: inclusivity and all that stuff. Equity?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so these scores are being used by Wall
Speaker 4: Street to deny finance to company. And you know the
Speaker 4: next step here is to you know, take ESG scores
Speaker 4: and kind of turn them into social credit scores for individuals. Yes,
Speaker 4: so you know, if you use too much energy or
Speaker 4: do the wrong things and own guns and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: you won't be able to get financing for your house
Speaker 4: or whatever you need. It's all, you know, very big
Speaker 4: brother stuff coming down the road. And once again our
Speaker 4: Republicans doing anything.
Speaker 2: Nothing, not much.
Speaker 4: We've got some action going on in the States, but
Speaker 4: in Congress, republics even really understand this and no.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know they're rolling out the financial tools
Speaker 2: to control this stuff with the Central Bank digital currencies,
Speaker 2: and they've already talked about the fact, well we're going
Speaker 2: to follow your carbon footprint and you know what, what
Speaker 2: are you eating? You know, I'm sorry, you've already bought
Speaker 2: too much meat this month, so we're not going to
Speaker 2: let you buy this because we now control all the
Speaker 2: money centrally. And then when it comes to the social
Speaker 2: side of this, well, I'm sorry, I don't like what
Speaker 2: you had to say on social media, and you know,
Speaker 2: the World Economic Forum has blocked you or whatever, so
Speaker 2: now you're not going to be able to fill in
Speaker 2: the blank and they're going to cut you off from
Speaker 2: that standpoint. That's really where this is rolling out, that
Speaker 2: that kind of social credit like we've seen already done
Speaker 2: in China.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, this is happening in China, and of course
Speaker 4: it's happening here too. Go to twitters, see along you
Speaker 4: last saw Twitter is speaking your mind?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I know, yeah, well you know it was
Speaker 2: it was a little over a year ago, after I'd
Speaker 2: done the show on my own for about six months
Speaker 2: that PayPal suddenly PayPal and Venmo just suddenly without any explanation.
Speaker 2: I could never get them to explain to me. I'll
Speaker 2: have to sue them if I want to get an explanation.
Speaker 2: They won't tell me. But they just pulled it. I
Speaker 2: can't even use them as an individual. That's what this
Speaker 2: is going to look like for everybody if they roll
Speaker 2: in this CBDC. We've seen it in Canada with the
Speaker 2: truckers and Trudeau coming after after their stuff. But it
Speaker 2: truly is amazing that they're able to get away with this,
Speaker 2: and it truly is amazing that the politicians in Washington
Speaker 2: are not doing anything about that. And as you point out,
Speaker 2: there's nobody in the Republican Party that's even talking about that,
Speaker 2: none of the politicians.
Speaker 4: And one, where where is Mitch McConnell, Where is Kevin McCarthy?
Speaker 4: Where are these people nowhere?
Speaker 2: Well, almost every time I talk about Mitch McConnell, I
Speaker 2: point out the insight that you had. And I'm still
Speaker 2: kicking myself because I didn't see it. But you said
Speaker 2: right after the election, you said they're going to get
Speaker 2: back into this Paris climate thing right away, and you
Speaker 2: figured this out. It was great that you figured this out.
Speaker 2: And I tried to publicize it as much as like it.
Speaker 2: But you said this Paris Climate thing is going to
Speaker 2: come back with Biden, and it did, and you said,
Speaker 2: the way to stop this is for Mitch McConnell to
Speaker 2: hold a vote, because there's no way they got the
Speaker 2: votes to ratify this as a treaty, and that would
Speaker 2: end it once and for all. Everybody was going back
Speaker 2: and forth about, well, what is Trump going to do? This?
Speaker 2: Is Trump going to do that to stop the Paris
Speaker 2: Climate Court? It should have been Mitch McConnell, and he
Speaker 2: could have done it even in the Biden administration when
Speaker 2: Biden said we've self ratified, you know, carry and I
Speaker 2: decided we'll sign it. You can't do that. They're just
Speaker 2: making this stuff up. He should have called their bluff,
Speaker 2: but he didn't do it because he didn't want to write.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know. It's interesting because he did do
Speaker 4: it with the Green New Deal during the Trump administration
Speaker 4: when that first came up, he brought that to a
Speaker 4: vote and of course all Republicans voted against it and
Speaker 4: no Democrats voted at all. But for some reason, he
Speaker 4: wouldn't do it with the Paris Climate Accord. And he
Speaker 4: should have done it, because that would have put an
Speaker 4: end to it and we would not be in the
Speaker 4: Paris Climate Accord now.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, yeah. Even the people who are true
Speaker 2: believers and all this climate change stuff, I've seen them
Speaker 2: very angry about this because they said, how can this
Speaker 2: be addressing what we think is a global problem if
Speaker 2: you're going to allow China and India to continue to
Speaker 2: add as many power plants as dirty as they are forever,
Speaker 2: you know what, not forever, but you know for decades
Speaker 2: while you're cutting it down here, you're just rearranging the
Speaker 2: economic chairs on the Titanic, they say, And you're not
Speaker 2: doing anything to address the problem if you let China
Speaker 2: and India go free.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know, I guess that's you know, you
Speaker 4: mentioned it earlier, the World economic for Rum's idea was
Speaker 4: that China would just be this, you know, basically open
Speaker 4: sewer that produces all the goods and you know it's
Speaker 4: dirty over there, who cares? It's clean everyplace else? But
Speaker 4: of course, you know, China has its own mind. It's
Speaker 4: run by this aggressive communist party. Oh yeah, that is realizing, God,
Speaker 4: we have all this power, we can do whatever we want.
Speaker 4: You know, we can take Taiwan and there's nothing anybody
Speaker 4: can do about it, or would dare do anything about
Speaker 4: because we'll just shut down their economies.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. I think that had a lot
Speaker 2: to do. I've said this from the beginning. I think
Speaker 2: that that what they did in Shanghai was signaling to everybody, look,
Speaker 2: we can shut you all down. Yeah, when they shut
Speaker 2: down Shanghai, I think that was a very clever warning signal.
Speaker 2: Nobody else is really talking about that. Maybe they're afraid
Speaker 2: to talk about it.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Look, if it comes to end times, the
Speaker 4: Chinese have shown they can do whatever they want to
Speaker 4: their own people.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 4: There's not going to be an uprising at home because
Speaker 4: they've got that. Yeah, so they can go to you know,
Speaker 4: war for keeps for everything against everybody else. They don't care.
Speaker 2: That's right. They don't care about their people, and they
Speaker 2: can they can do that to their people as a weapon.
Speaker 2: There was one thing that you mentioned on junk science
Speaker 2: dot com. Kentucky Attorney General is saying that ESG investing
Speaker 2: is a breach of an asset manager's forduciary study. So
Speaker 2: I don't want to in the time that we've got
Speaker 2: without touching on that, is there any hope that that
Speaker 2: is going to be an effective strategy against that? That's
Speaker 2: a great move.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, there's a lot of education that needs
Speaker 4: to go on. People need to realize that. You know,
Speaker 4: if you hire an investment manager for your money, of
Speaker 4: course is the duciary duty is legal duty is to
Speaker 4: increase your investment. It's not to implement somebody else, you know,
Speaker 4: his own social policy with your money. And it's it's
Speaker 4: odd that you actually have to say that, but the
Speaker 4: Kentucky Attorney General has now issued an opinion and that
Speaker 4: needs to unfortunately, have to be marketed to everybody else
Speaker 4: as they realize that, you know, people that are pushing
Speaker 4: ESG versus trying to make money for you or investors
Speaker 4: or state pension funds or whatever it is, that's all illegal.
Speaker 2: That's right, That's right. Yeah, that that should be echoed
Speaker 2: very very loudly. So why I wanted to get to
Speaker 2: that and always you're right at the center of everything, Steve,
Speaker 2: I really do you're coming on?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: I mean, you picked that up. I haven't seen anybody
Speaker 2: else pick that up. The fact that the Kentucky Attorney
Speaker 2: General is saying, hey, you're breaching your froduciary trust. You
Speaker 2: were supposed to make money for these people, make money
Speaker 2: for the pension plans, and you're out, you know, chasing
Speaker 2: your rainbows or whatever.
Speaker 4: Literally, where is the media on all this? I mean,
Speaker 4: I find it hard to believe that the last more
Speaker 4: than thirty years on this nonsense. None of it is
Speaker 4: rocket science. It's just it's just inconvenient facts that nobody
Speaker 4: wants to consider, even people on our own side.
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree. Well, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: coming on. I'm glad you're feeling better, and folks, you
Speaker 2: I want to know what is happening at the epicenter
Speaker 2: and somebody who stays on top of it and sees
Speaker 2: what is happening across the political and economic spectrum. That's
Speaker 2: Steve molloy at junkscience dot com. Thank you very much, Steve, appreciate.
Speaker 4: It, David, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Thank you all right, folks. In a little bit of
Speaker 2: time that we have left, I can't let today's show
Speaker 2: end without talking about the new historical location, or as
Speaker 2: some people have said, a new hysterical location on Google Maps,
Speaker 2: and that is Brandon Falls. Yes, people actually got it
Speaker 2: on Google Maps for about a day. They marked the
Speaker 2: spot where Biden fell off of his bicycle. They marked
Speaker 2: it as Brandon Falls, and then Google removed it after
Speaker 2: people started leaving reviews, and so then somebody put up
Speaker 2: a bicycle shop at the same location, and the comments
Speaker 2: and the reviews of the bicycle shop were very nice
Speaker 2: place to ride a bike. Be careful not to cause
Speaker 2: too much inflation in your tires or you can end
Speaker 2: up crashing your whole bike into the ground. But what happens,
Speaker 2: you just blame putin and people will fall for it.
Speaker 2: Another one said the bicycle shop there, Brandon's Bicycle Shop,
Speaker 2: wonderful place, better than Niagara Falls, a true hysterical landmark.
Speaker 2: I came across this place by accident on my bicycle.
Speaker 2: Get your ice cream there as well, but leave your
Speaker 2: kids at home. And that was echoed by other people
Speaker 2: who said, great tacos and ice cream at the Brandon
Speaker 2: Bicycle Shop, but it is not kid friendly. Not kid friends.
Speaker 2: Somebody else who is not kid friendly is Nicki Haley.
Speaker 2: I like this headline Hillary Clinton levels of cringe. That
Speaker 2: was a comment of one person who was looking at
Speaker 2: Nicki Haley so desperate for power. That is a very
Speaker 2: big warning sign. One of the most vicious authoritarian warmongers
Speaker 2: I've ever seen in my life from any political party
Speaker 2: is Nicky Haley, and for the life of me can't
Speaker 2: understand why so many Christians find her attractive. That's the
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