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Speaker 2: This is just a bonus broadcast the audio of a
recent live stream on YouTube. The YouTube link in the
description box in case you want to watch. It is
an odd day for us to do this. It's normally
a Monday night show, but I was recovering from a
busy weekend on Sunday. I was in Wichita speaking to
Wichita Oasis, wonderful group there. But the night before I
had been on a paranormal investigation. Now I'm going to
come back to that here in just a second. By
the way, there is a phone number is in the
title and in the description box. There's also a weblink
if you want to dial in, because I'm interested in
shit you've seen or you think you've seen that was unexplained.
And it's interesting because there are some atheists who believe
in ghosts, no gods, but spirits. I'm not one of
those people. I wasn't when I went on the ghost hunt,
which is they hate when I call it a ghost hunt,
but I love this kind of thing. I love horror movies.
In fact, in honor of the stream, I'm wearing my
Fangoria T shirt today because in fact, I had a
chance to interview Phil Noble Nobile rather a junior, the
editor in chief at the Fangoria. There's a video of that.
It's totally unrelated, but that's just my jam anyway. But
right now I am only able to stream this on YouTube.
Facebook has blocked me from streaming for god I don't
know how long. And the reason is is Facebook. So
here's what happened. I posted a meme or it was
in my queue. I have a category Q of memes
that go out all day every day, and there must
be a thousand of them, right, I mean, I out
have time to monitor social media all the time, so
I try to update news links. But I have a
program that sort of shoots out a shotgun of other things,
classic videos, older podcasts, memes, etc. And there's one that
shows feed standing on the top of a cliff, and
it's a riff on evolution is just a theory, which
is one of the complaints that creationists have. Well, let's
not proven. It's just a theory, meaning they don't understand
what a scientific theory is. So the meme has feet
on the edge of a cliff looking down and it says,
go ahead and jump. Gravity is just a theory. Now
in context, no one is wishing anybody harm, but it
is exposing this word theory in the proper context. Facebook
sees the meme and gives me a strike and says
content warning. Why has it been marked? I actually it
didn't even show me what it was, and it wouldn't
let me pull up the image. You are not allowed
to see the image that you posted that we have
posted a strike on Jesus Christ, what the hell is it?
So I'm fishing around, fishing around, I don't even know
how I finally stumbled across it, and it was a
strike against me for encouraging people to commit suicide, and
then it said, are you struggling with depression? Are you
yourself suicidal? We have resources, here's a hotline. Now, I'm
not encouraging people to kill themselves. I was trying to
use an example to prove the absurdity of this. It's
only a theory, apologetic, so I appeal immediately. Sixty seconds
it says you have been reviewed by a human being
and this block is confirmed. You now have a strike
on your account. Warning if there are another few strikes,
your account is at risk of deletion because you have
encouraged people to kill themselves. Part of your penalty is
that you cannot do this, including streaming live on Facebook.
And even tell me how long thirty days, sixty days,
a year, two years, forever. I get it. You have
to use algorithms, you have to use even AI whatever
whatever to try to manage how many Facebook users are
there on the planet, like four billion of them or something.
I understand the logistical challenges, but come on, really, I'm
encouraging people to commit suicide. Therefore I am in violation
of their code of conduct and their policies, and I
am penalized. Therefore I cannot stream. I'm just bitching speaking,
I'm bitching. A lot of people are. I've watched the
recent video of Jordan Peterson. I talked to David McAfee,
who was in the room with the Peterson versus twenty
atheist debate, and how horribly he did. Some people watched
the whole thing and had comment on it, the whole piece,
that the whole conversation that David and I had, and
other people were like, I lasted ten minutes. I couldn't
take it. I cannot take the man. A few people
were like, oh, he mopped the floor with those atheists.
You guys are simply trying to villainize. You're misrepresenting the
things he was trying to say. What a wise man,
what a great thinker. Well, just for you, there is
a website. It is called the Wisdom of Peterson dot com.
It is and I'm going to share this screen. It
is a word solid generator is like a random phrase
generator that sound with stuff that sounds like Jordan Peterson
and I have been most amused. I think I shared
this maybe last year or the year before. I come
back to the site occasionally, so it just generates random stuff.
Here's one the dominance hierarchy creates species specific chaos. Clicking more.
Wisdom embodying the logos is a foundation of a jumble
of photons. Refresh. Greatness is beyond unparalleled dominance hierarchy. I
could do this all day. Yes, there is one for
Deepak Chopra as well, The Wisdom of Chopra website refresh.
The traditional archetype comprehends humble dominance hierarchy. The Pinocchio archetype
depends on deep belonging. Just a couple more because I'm amused.
The Pinocchio archetype is an ingredient of visible life. Roughly speaking,
this sounds just like Jordan Peterson. Experiential truth shapes mortal knowledge. Ah,
he's so wise, He's so deep. It's awesome. That's awesome.
The man is embraced as a great thinker. The Christian
who refuses to admit he is a Christian. The guy
who invokes the Bible and says that the Old Testament
condemns slavery because Moses rescued the enslaved Israelites. A few
chapters later, what do we have God instructing masters how
to own slaves? I swear been watching this story out
of Ukraine. Holy shit, you and I are embarking on.
I'm just babbling here while I wait for a callers
to populate with their own stories of weird encounters and sightings,
or maybe stuff that you saw and then debunked. I'm
interested in those things. I really want to talk to
you today. You and I are now on the precipice
of a whole new type of warfare. Do you read
about Zelensky and Ukraine. They took these semi trucks that
were shielded so that they couldn't be scanned from the outside,
and they just I guess had been a year planning.
They drove these things all around Russia. They parked them,
I guess they left them on the order of days.
Inside were fully charged drones with a I guess they
could reach a radius of maybe a mile or a
mile and a half. They were parked near hard target
strategic targets, including airfields. All of a sudden, the trucks
open up, the drones go everywhere. The drones are carrying bombs,
and Zelenski fox putin up. I don't know how much
of their military was destroyed, how many of their planes,
including planes that are no longer in production, which means
they cannot be replaced. I mean, it's bizarre and wild
and clever and kind of awesome, but it's also a
bit terrifying because we know now that this is the
beginning of a new type of warfare where the tiniest,
almost the tiniest of drones now can sneak in through
the slats into your attic to surveil or harm. And
then what countermeasures are put in place for that any
rogue agent anywhere. It can be used to help fight
terror and harm and oppression, it can be used to
perpetrate terror, harm and oppression. And then what does that
look like with drones? What just crossing each other in
the sky. And I'd say, well, you know, I just
want to say inside, that doesn't help, because we can
be surveilled indoors, we can be found indoors, we can
be bombed indoors. But I will say I was high
fiving some people when I saw this reciprocal attack. I mean,
the idea that Putin got kicked and the boss is awesome.
Fuck that guy. I just it's just and I look
at the I spoke about this at Wichita Oasis, like
you know, there are people all around him that know
he's out of control, like why is he still in power?
And this is true for all authoritarians. I think you know,
there were people and there have been resistance movements. But really,
like most of the Russian people, even those who say
they support Putin's assault on Ukraine, admit they don't know
what his goals are. What's he trying to accomplish? I
do not know. Someone explained this, So yeah, and Putin
is such an arrogant prick just to I just it's
sweet ambrosia. It is sweet nectar. Props to Zolenska. Just
props to that guy. All right, hashtag I stand with Ukraine. Wow.
Also on the military front, I'm just going to read
this to you. I'm kind of in a mood today.
Before we talk about God, I'm kind of a mood.
So I'm sorry. You ever have those days, You're just
check this out and you this is a well informed audience,
so I'm sure you're probably all over this already. Military
dot Com is one of many outlets covering this story.
Pete Hegseth orders the Navy to strip the name of
gay rights icon Harvey Milk from Ship Defense Secretary Pete
hag Seth has ordered the Navy to take the rare
step of renaming a ship one that bears the name
of a gay rights icon. Documents and sources show Military
dot Com reviewed a memorandum from the Office of the
Secretary of the Navy, the official who holds the power
to name Navy ships, that showed the Sea Service had
come up with rollout plans for the renaming of the
oilers ship USNS Harvey Milk. The official also said the
timing of the announcement occurring during Pride Month was intentional.
The memo reviewed by military dot Com noted that the
renaming was being done so that there is quote alignment
with President and sec deaf objectives and sec nav priorities
of re establishing.
Speaker 3: The warrior culture.
Speaker 2: Dun dunt dunn. Every day just a brand new example
of awful. Every day you wake up and Coach, I'm
telling you this no King's protest that's coming up a
week from Saturday. I think it's going to be People
are pissed, and I love the counter that we're seeing
all across, whether it's among human beings and neighborhoods and
cities by mayors by governors, by corporations. I saw a
major sports team I can't remember which one it was,
and they're throwing rainbow flags on everything and say we
love everybody. Right, so they're doing a counter Trump. So
and the no Kings protest, which is going to be
happening in places all around the world. I think, what
is that? Saturday? Is it the fourteenth? Mean?
Speaker 4: Look?
Speaker 2: Hold, please, Google calendar is my memory? I don't have
a memory anymore. It has to be Google Calendar Saturday
the fifteenth, I believe, Well, you know what no Kings
dot org. Let me pull this up and let you
see the website share screen. No kings, Okay, no kings
in America, we don't do kings. They've defied our courts,
deported Americans, disappeared people off the streets, attacked our civil rights,
and slashed our services. The corruption has gone too far.
No thrones, no crowns, no king. On June fourteenth, we
rise up and then there's a map of locations all
around the country. And I know other nations are going
to have a No King's Day as well. There are
ways to spread the word. There are ways to maybe
rally a protest if there's not one already in your city.
People are pissed. I think it's gonna be huge. Why
are they doing it on a Friday? That doesn't make
any sense to me? Did I get that right now?
I got to look again, hang on calendar. Sorry, thanks
for your patience. Saturday the fourteenth, I was looking at
it incorrectly. Yes, Saturday, I think it's at noon. Can
be huge, huge, and I'll be there. I've got a
sign with Jefferson quote on it, but I'm thinking of
making a fresh one for the new protest. I struggled
because part of me wants to do one of the
snarky signs. I mean, it has a message, but it
also has a little bit of a razor's edge to it.
But at the same time, I want people to drive
by to find what I'm doing, not not to look
like an emotional response, even though there is some emotion
involved because I'm pissed, but I want them to see
something factual that diffuses any criticism that they might think
they have. The Jefferson was an example of that. Right
where Jefferson was talking about how opposed he was to monarchies.
I mean, how do these people protest the words of
one of the founding fathers they say they love and
that was kind of a defense mechanism. But I've seen
some great ones out there. I've seen some great, great
signs out there, a lot of them lampooning Trump. I
think one of my favorites. I mean, beyond the signs
we saw April of fourth. But remember back when he
went to Britain. This is back when the Queen was
still alive and they were floating those helium balloon Trump babies,
the giant ones. I just loved the Trump baby blimp.
I just love the blimp. I think we need that here.
And I believe some people during Trump's military military parade
in this country, and don't tell me it's about the
military men and women, don't tell me about it. It's
about the veteran. This is Trump masturbating. He's going to
be out there like fucking kim Oon with his hand
in the air, probably giving a Nazi salute as he
goes down the streets, and everybody's like whoo. But there
are counter events that are going to be happening all that.
There are protests on site. Now there is a concern
that there's going to be violence confrontation. One of the
strategies by authoritarian regimes. And this is not just a
conspiracy theory, but this does happen is somebody who was
part of the authoritarian regime stages a violent act. So
they show up pretending to be one of the resistance
and then they do something horrible. Then the authoritarian regime
can say those people are lawless traitors, they are an American,
they are dangerous, they're emotional, out of control, blah blah blah,
and that then and justifies whatever reciprocal action takes place,
usually involving weapons. So there is some concern that we're
going to see escalation, and there are preemptive measures that
are happening. People are being instructed, they're given guidelines if
this happens. If the police show up and try to
arrest you, here's what you can say, Here's what your
rights are. You know, sit down, do not stand up,
Do not do this gesture with your hand, Do not
be provocative in this specific way, especially if there are
cameras rolling. This can be misinterpreted or disinterpreted against you
and against the cause. There are specific things they are
saying that you can do to try to prevent a
lot of this crazy stuff to be painted, and we're
going to be painted as the villains in the story. Anyway.
Resistance is one of the few things that has given
me joy. Everything else, I just you know, I mean,
the work that we do here is always gratifying. But
this is part of a resistance movement. Resistance against authoritarians,
against high control, culture, against superstition, against Project twenty twenty five,
against the bigots. You know, It's one of the few
things that I feel like is productive, one of the
few doses of medicine I get. Do you feel that way?
Much more to talk about, and I will get to
the ghosts in just a few plus. Your calls hang on.
Our standard for normal has become so distorted that a
few days ago, the President of the United States shared
a post claiming that Joe Biden had been executed in
twenty twenty and replaced by a robot. Nobody blinks. I
mean you and I did. I mean, this is twenty
fifth amen in territory. This is what the hell territory.
This is the man that his cheese has slid off,
his cracker, the wheel is spinning, his hamster is dead,
his elevator does not rise to the top floor. Something
going on, And it's possible that maybe this was just
done as a distraction. Maybe he's having fun tweaking the wokelbs.
Maybe you know, he doesn't want us looking over here,
so he distracts over here by saying the most outrageous shit.
But regardless of what his motivation is, a sitting president
just said he shared a post saying that Biden has
been dead for five years and replaced with a robot
and nobody cares. What the fuck? God, how long's guy
been president? How many goddamn days has the guy been president?
Not even six months? The midterms aren't until the fall
of twenty twenty six. How much more damage is going
to be done? You and I are living in a
culture where they want to just scrub names, the names
of the people in our history. They want to ban
our books, they want to I've got the oligarchs, I mean,
Elon's out of the White House. Yay. He's already had
access to everybody's private information. He's grabbed it. He's probably
absconded somewhere where he's going to unleash AI on it.
And then what are we going to do? The one
good thing about Elon leaving the White House, and I
genuinely predicted that Elon and Trump, those two egos cannot
exist in the same physical space very long at all,
and it's going to explode. And the ego and jealousy
and pettiness and childishness and sociopathy of two these two billionaires,
they cannot exist in the same space for long now.
I thought it was going to blow up in February,
which was optimistic. I didn't think they'd last a few
months after the inauguration. So okay, fine, it's early June,
but it's happening. It's happening. And so now Elon is
he's upset about the big beautiful Bill and he's going
to start weaponizing X against Trump, who he spent hundreds
of millions of dollars to help elect. And now everybody's
going going, hey, wait a minute. We thought Elon was
our hero who was going to go in with thsee
and save the day, and so we support him, but
he's now he's at war with Trump, who we support,
and I don't know who are we supposed to I
guess we'll go with Trump, but Elon's got a lot
more resources, so maybe his war against Trump is going
to be I don't know what. I'm here for this.
I am so here for this war. Let them let
the rattlesnakes turn on each other. I'm in po the
popcorn baby Leonard Leo. Leonard Leo, the dirty, rotten, filthy,
stinking rich billionaire who helped fuel this deocratic takeover of
the government, is now filing a lawsuit against Donald Trump.
So those two were on the outs. Oh yeah, yeah,
let the billionaires go. Yeah, throw them in. It's thunderdome.
If we get lucky, they'll just kill each other. I
mean metaphorically speaking, financially, reputationally, they'll strip each other of
all power and they'll both end up. I don't know,
living on a deserted island. I don't know. We need
like an escape from New York Island, except it's really small,
and we build the wall and we just toss the
two in and then we make you know, make it.
We make sure they have food and water, and then
we go off over here. I'm here, I'm here for that.
Marjorie Taylor Green votes for the big beautiful Bill and
then she comes forward yesterday and she's pissed because there's
something in the bill that she doesn't like. I forget
what it was. Wasn't it something about unfettered AI or something?
I forgive me, I'm I'm I can't remember. And she's like, oh,
I'm very angry that this is in the bill. You
mean the bill that you voted for. That bill, the
one you voted for. So now everybody's like, maybe you
should read the legislation that you are voting for. It's awesome,
it's awesome. I'm here for it. I'm here for it.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Let them chew each other and spit each other out.
You and I can sit back here in the bleachers
and sip whatever beverage sounds good at the time and
just watch it, watch it go down. But an antidote
to a lot of the despair, hopelessness and helplessness is
finding moments of distraction, which is why I was going
to do this live stream in the first place, which
is now almost a half an hour old, and I
haven't hardly talked at all about it. So fine, here's
what happened. And I shot a ton of video. I
took three cameras. It was hard work, Like you know,
you see these Ghost Adventures crews and they go in.
They got a whole production crew. They I don't know
how many cameraman, they got a sound guy, they got
all these other people. They've got grips that can move
gear and one guy. I drive to uh Coffeeville, Kansas
because I had been invited to join a paranormal investigation
troop from Oklahoma. And they go around and they take
their tools, and so I was invited to join along
by a fellow skeptic name Brandon Brissau, and he does
a lot of these types of things. He's a skeptic.
He hasn't never seen any ghosts, but he's curious and
he finds it interesting. So he said, would you like
to join me? Okay, great, I'm in. And I said,
do they know who I am? Do they know what
they are getting into? He's like, they're totally cool. I'm like, well,
I guarantee you this. If I go, I'm not going
to be a jerk. I'm going to go with respect.
I'm going to have an open mind, right, not so
open that my brain falls out, but I'm going to
have an open mind, and I'm going to be there
as someone who genuinely enjoys ghost genre. I enjoy ghost
stuff as fiction. I tell ghost stories every October. I
have produced two ghost stories audio books available now at
audible dot com. So I'm in, So I show up.
I get there about four o'clock in the afternoon. I
shoot some exteriors. Beautiful mansion with a long and interesting history,
which is really what I enjoyed the most about the
It's an amazing structure, this historical building, which I believe
was finished in the early nineteen hundreds. And there's a
family that you know. The story is kind of a
tragic one, including the loss of many children. But the
idea is is that there are hauntings that have taken
place inside the Brown Mansion, Coffee Bilt, Kansas. So once
the paranormal troop got there, we all had dinner and
we kind of got to know each other, and I tried,
I think I tried to assure them I am not
going to ruin your day. Mostly I'm going to kind
of do my thing. I'm interested in what you are doing.
Then they went to the place we got the tour
and they pulled out their paranormal investigation tools. Now I'm
a little bit like I had Kenny Biddle from Skeptical
inquirer on the podcast, was it last year debunking the
tools that were being used to detect.
Speaker 3: Ghosts?
Speaker 2: I was like, that's bullshit. That tool is bullshit. That's bullshit.
Didn't say it, and it was interesting, But mostly it
was interesting to watch how they were used, not the
tools themselves, but this propensity for patterns seeking. So you know,
there's a guy I think he had a thermal camera.
So he's walking around and I'm like, well, okay, now
the truth is if you see a hot spot or
a cold spot, okay, you know, welcome to the basement.
You know, welcome to this part of a room where
there may be a dread like a hotspot or a
cold spot. Is this proof of anything? If you see
a humanoid shaped hot spot or cold spot and it's
actually walking in a room where no one exists, I
want to know that. I will give you that guarantee.
I want to know that. Then they had I don't
know what this thing was, but it was a Kenny knows.
It's like a bubble and it's got like a red
light and an antenna on it. What the hell is
that thing? But he's got one, and I think he's
taken it apart, and he's like, this is bullshit. The
EMF meter electromagnetic field meter, and I've got I should
have brought it out of my eye. Actually bought one
for like ten bucks, and that's supposed to detect changes
in the electromagnetic field, which apparently is ghosts if it's
not things like a cell phone or a I don't know,
electrical chord. And this was used it. It was fascinating.
So we were all we were all in a room
and we were all seated, and they took one guy
and they put headphones on him with like rock music
something that was really dense, so we couldn't hear anything
else in the room. And then he had a blindfold on.
Somebody in the paranormal troop took the EMF meter and
they held it out in front, so they're really in
the center of the room. And there was some I
don't know what looked like a light grid. It looked
like that grid in the opening credit to The black Hole,
the movie The black Hole from the nineteen eighties. It
was which I guess detects motion. Maybe they were dots.
They were dots, so you should be able to see
like a warping of the dots if there was a
spirit in the room. And I'm just sitting in this
metal folding chair watching in rapt attention. So they have
the guy sensory headphones. He has the blindfold on, and
the instruction is speak out whatever word pops into your mind,
and we're going to use the EMF meter to see
if it moves. And maybe this has some sort of meaning.
Maybe it is some communication from the spirit world. So
he's there, I don't know whatever's going on in his headphones.
And then he just I forget what the words are,
so I'll just make something up. He's just you know,
he's sitting in the chair and he's like car animal, purple.
This is actually one of the words. Okay, purple. And
this is when it becomes interesting because we begin to
see the propensity by people for patterns seeking, we see
confirmation by us and a tremendous desire to believe. So
the person holding the EMF meter is there, and when
he said purple, the light went up to I don't know,
it was like green, shades of yellow and then red
and it goes up midway yellow. Oh wait a minute,
there were hang on, hang on when you said purple.
There was a marked ramping up of the EMF. You know,
purple was my mother's favorite color, and she passed away
two years ago, but she put she loved purple. She
had purple this and purple that. I wonder, do you
think the spirit is trying to tell me about my mother?
And I'm sitting over here, going, what the hell does
this have to do with the Brown family and their mansion.
It's the equivalent of somebody saying, I'm sensing a word
that starts with M someone in your family. And of
course you and I are like scanning through and if
we have no one in our family that we can
think of who has a name that starts with M,
we can just go back to mom. It's it's mother.
It's just trying to speak to me through the spirit world. Wow.
And he just barked out words, and they would wait
for some sort of a reaction. And I'm looking at
this thing, going how many cell phones are in this room? Like?
Does that pick a hang on, I gotta look this up.
Does EMF meter detect sell phones? EMF meters measure the
natural DC magnetic field of the Earth, which varies according
to locale and proximity of ferro magnetic building material. What
does that mean? I'm terrified of some of these websites,
This one says skeptics. I put this up, but I
don't want to, like give too much bandwidth to what
might be a bogus website. Mobile phones are by definition
devices that can detect EMF, since their ability to communicate
depends on radio frequency fluctuations in EMF. Well, that seems
a reversal phones detecting EMF anyway, thank you, Robert. EMF
meters are used to find wires in walls, and in fact,
at one point I think someone took one and put
it up to a piece of romax and it went
off or went all the way to the red because
there was electricity flowing through it. But what we see
here is the propensity for patterns seeking primates to begin
to connect dots that normally really wouldn't be right. We
are looking for the face, we are looking for the feature.
We are looking to anthropomorphize anything and everything that may
be just a random inhuman occurrence. And I think that's
one of the things I found most fascinating. The other
tool they brought out, and they take this shit so seriously,
they're lovely people. Lovely people. When they brought out this
spirit box. Then I remember specifically the part of the
interview with Kenny Biddle that I had. I should link
that in the description box if I think of it,
so you can go back to it. Because he's got
a whole office full of tools, and what he does
is he takes this shit apart and he's like, well,
here's what's in it, and here's what's in it, and
here's what it does. Near love. Okay. The spirit boxes
essentially think of a radio that scans every frequency from
bottom to top. So FM would be what eighty eight
point eight or whatever FM all the way up to
one oh seven point whatever. And you know there are
what fifteen twenty any radio stations that are staggered all
the way up and down the radio dial. Well, what
the spirit box does is it grabs maybe one second
from each station before it locks into the next one
locks into the next one. So you hear about a
second from each working station. Some quite staticky, but you
will occasionally hear discernible words or parts of words, and
again the pattern seeking brain activates, so it's like as
as and then words will all of a sudden appear
and you could hear anything, and then you begin to
connect dots and say, it sounds like headstone. This means
something who died in the house. Did they get a headstone?
Where is the headstone? What's the significance of that location?
Oh wait, they were buried in anonymous grave. They have
no headstone. They wanted a headstone, they were denied a headstone.
Are they saying, I'm going to die and I will
need a headstone? You can see, I mean, you can
totally see it. So I'm sitting back here watching, trying
not to be that guy, but being that guy quietly,
and I make this guarantee it. I made this to
the group that if there is evidence of something that
has previously been unexplained or wrongly explained, I want to
know that that's the fair approach. If the teapot lifts
off the little shelf thing and it levitates across the
room and pour his invisible tea into a cup that's
been sitting in this place for ninety years and then
goes back and sits on the shelf, I want to
see that, want to know that. And then I want
to say, what is it? Why did it happen. What
are the explanations and is ghosts or dead Grandma our
reasonable explanation that we should pursue. Are these claims testable?
And I find it frustrating that the whole claim is
that these are phenomenon that do not exist in the naturals,
so therefore experiments won't work on them. It was even
said I think at the paranormal investigation that we are
using tools that are not scientific. That's a remarkable statement.
We are using tools that are not scientific. Well, if
they're not scientific, why are we using them? And I
told Brandon this on camera. If we are talking about
the spirit world interacting in the physical realm, it's almost
like the soul interacting with the physical brain to inform identity.
This is still a scientific question. There is a point
where the spiritual would connect with the physical in a
way that could be verified and seen. I think it
remains a scientific question. Now I would do another ghost hunt,
I don't know if I'd take all my gear. I
was exhausted. I think we finished it one in the morning.
You can say I shot video. I'm going to release
a whole profile of it. For a few reasons. One,
I want to chronicle the history of the mansion because
it's remarkable. It's an amazing place. I do want to
get into the lore of the history of the family
and the genesis of these particular haunted tales. I want
to use. I'm going to use production tools. I did
a test on Facebook yesterday just grins. But I took
some of the most benign a footage. I shot an exterior.
I had a shot of me from my car. I
had the iPhone on the dash and We're going up
the road and around the corner and I'm shooting through
the trees. You can take the most vanilla, generic footage
and you can do all some stuff with it in post.
So whenever you see those ghost adventure shows and they
take these guys, three of these guys have the collective
cognitive ability of a lawn chair, and they're like, they
bring tools like this and they run into a mansion
or a sentence. I'd love to go into an abandoned
prison or an old sanitarium, and they're like, hang on,
just a second, I just saw an orb in my camera. Lanbs.
It must be.
Speaker 3: The spirit of the proprietor who lived here.
Speaker 2: Or it's a speck of dust, and you don't know
how cameras work. Anyway, I'm going to do like I'm
going to play it straight in the video, which I
planned to release closer to Halloween. I think I'm going
to sit on it till late September early October, so
it kind of ties into Halloween. But I'm going to
do a legit profile of the mansion my experience there.
We're going to go through the rooms and tell the stories.
We're going to get into some of the different types
of ghosts that have been alleged. I think we're going
to talk about the tools that are often used that
by paranormal investigators. I think, you know, I'm going to
do kind of a wrap up assummation as a skeptic,
and then I think I'm going to produce. I'm going
to have fun with it. I think I'm just going
to go into the production room and I'm going to
do a whole thing just like what we saw. I'm
going to distort the hell out of it. I'm going
to shoot or produce Dutch angles and throw in audio
and have music and screen and whispers and sound effects
and you know, the eyes of the mother popping in
and rushing down the hall because I shot some of
this stuff and I'm just gonna have it's gonna I'm
gonna do a playground, and so that'll be kind of fun.
So I'm gonna be sort of pecking away at that
project between now and end of September early October, and uh,
some people will take the journey. Some people get mad
at me whenever I do supernatural stuff. Why wouldn't atheists
spend any time talking about ghosts? What kind of skeptic
are you? I'm a skeptic who enjoys fiction and stories
and imagination, and I want to participate in examinations of
extraordinary claims. I love Lord of the Rings. I do
not believe in Gandalf. You know what I'm saying. You
can always tell those people, these pedants, that just they
troll around look for reasons to sound snobby and superior.
I can't believe Zeth would participate in this kind of thing.
I heard the same thing with Jordan Peter. I can't
believe Seth would give oxygen. He's such a boor thinker.
Define oxygen. There was some light, there's a shit ton
of heat. It's not just oxygen. Hell, I'm not just
platforming the guy to prop up his reputation. We actually
propped him up so that he could self emmolate once again. Anyway,
I stopped being in the pleasing everybody business a long
time ago. I'm going to serve the community. But these
people who just walk around and all they do is
snipe from the cheap seats. I mean, I hate to
be that way. No, I don't. No, I'm just tired
of them. More of your calls as we talk about
haunted experiences, ghostly sightings. I don't know. Whatever you want
to talk about, we'll do it next. Thanks for listening,
Thanks for joining me for a smattering of topics on
this bonus show. Cheetah says, I'm terribly good at saying nothing. Hang,
let me put that on screen because I think that
would be great on a business card. Yeah ho' by that?
I am really I am a masterclass an empty calorie dialogue. Okay,
was there anything else I wanted to talk about? Now
that I'm fifty minutes into this man talk about a tangent?
Talk about a random tangent. And I do welcome your calls.
I would love to speak to you. I don't care
if it's about ghost It can be on any subject.
Hopefully my switchboard is working. Let me hit the talk
button area code two five four high. Can you hear me?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear you.
Speaker 2: Can everybody in the chat hear my caller? Hang on?
I'm gonna hang on just a second for me. I'm
gonna make sure that people, I mean make sure can
can everybody hear them because I've got one button that
I can't remember if it needs to go down? Okay,
everybody can hear you? Yeah, all right, lovely, all right?
Hit me? What's your first name or what do you
want to be called? What's on your mind?
Speaker 5: Frank?
Speaker 4: It's Frank here, So ghosts. I used to live on
a farm. It was a very old buildings on the property,
and uh never knew of any of these stories till
after things happened. I was out by the hundred and
some year old barn one day with my dogs, and
I hear children and the dogs here children, nobody's supposed
to be after they run around the side of the barn.
I go around there and there's nobody there, okay, just
something blowing across the field. I'm a skeptic, but I
keep an open mind. There was a situation one day.
I had a friend who was a skeptic and he
was dying, and I said, hey, if you get out
there into the next level trying to find me, I
keep an open mind. Well, that evening, one evening, shortly
after he passed away, the dogs and I were sitting
in the living room and they all there were seven dogs,
and they all stand up and they're looking in this
direction and they're looking at me for guidance. There's nothing
on the other side of the room. One of them
kind of growls and they look at me, and so
I'm being a skeptic but keeping an open mind. I
just said, is that you Alex? And there's no response.
But they were seeing something that I wasn't seen. They
saw it. Their hair stood up, and it was not
like in the direction of the door. It was in
the direction of the wall. There's nothing in there that
I can see. I've been around dogs all my life,
and they see here and sense things that human still
or they hear different than we do. So I don't know,
you know, I keep an open mind. I don't have
enough evidence. We'll put it that way, but I think
there was something there that they saw that I didn't.
I found out later that there were some children that
died in that barn one hundred years ago when part
of it caught on fire. They were playing in the barn.
So just weird stuff like that happened on the farm
from time to time.
Speaker 2: I find that interesting. Dogs are an especially fascinating case
when they Now I've seen the movies, because the dog
always knows some shit's about to go down, well before
the family and the haunted house knows. Right, the dog
won't go in. The dog's cognives had gone out. Oh
hell no, I ain't going in there. I do find
those stories interesting, and I don't know, compelling may not
be the word, but I do watch my animals very closely.
They seem to know things, don't they.
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, they do. When I'm I had to move
to the city, but I still have one of the dogs.
And when I'm walking and I have my earbuds in,
I'm focused on the dog on the least because if
the dog looks to the right, he's hearing and seeing
things that I'm not seeing because I got my music going,
and you know what's inside my head, so I'll look
to the ride and see what it is. I mean,
it's just they're very different than us as far as
hearing and seeing and sensing things. They see things on
a level of three feet in below, you know, they
see under cars that we don't see. They can hear
better than us, they can smell better than us, and
so I really pay it tension, you know, and they
give unconditional love. Humans have so many conditions conditional and
start judging a little bit. I go be the dog.
Be the dog, the dog, Be the dog, the dog,
keep moving.
Speaker 2: So what are the chances that the dog, who is
on a sensory sensory having sensory overload, is just smelling
the bacon that somebody is cooking five doors down. I mean,
that's always a possibility. They stop and they freeze and
they stare. It's maybe someone's fired up the you know,
the rotisserie or something right, or the.
Speaker 4: Female in heat that's a quarter mile away. If it's
a male dog. Yeah, there's there's just all kinds of
you know, And I call him the females. When when
he comes up to a post he's smelling all the females.
That's how they Hey, I was out there, you know
the post office it's the mail box, you know, the
people you know, and they it's for me. I understand
a little bit of the pack mentality well pretty pretty
well because I've been around Ogahmore and I'm the leader
of the pack, so they're going to alert me and
look at me for guidance and uh so it's pretty
well all the dogs out there. I had a Jack
Russell that was like always on. He would bark, which
would wake up the visless. The visless would bark, which
would wake up the bull terriers, and the bull terriers
would set up the perimeter. You don't you're not coming in. Wow.
And it was just really wild to watch.
Speaker 2: But you're all set for the zombie apocalypse. Sounds like
you got some beasts of burden who are ready to
protect the cave. They're out there doing a sentry duty.
I appreciate your call. It's an interesting story and something
for us to talk about hanging there. Okay, thank you,
all right to see you. I don't think I'm the
alpha and my huge dog relationship, Natalie says, I'm not.
I yeah, I kind of am, but it's like the
way I walk Linus or he walks me, like you're
supposed to take the leash. I'm digressing again. I've got
another call coming in and I will get to that,
and the switchboard remains open, and we'll just go for
as long as you want within reason. I think you're
supposed to have them on your left, if you're right handed,
or I don't know, right by your side, and they
follow your lead, they don't run around at the end
of the leash, and they obey your commands. You are
the alpha. Well, it's not how I walk the dogs.
I've got one of those little retractable things, you know.
So he's ten feet in front of me, and he's sniffing,
and he goes, oh, look it's a mail. Oh look
it's a fire hydrant. Oh here's a blade of grass
that seems to be have been territorialized. I guess I
need to go and and reassert my dominance. And then
he goes over, oh light pole, Oh lookie, here's a
random thing, a piece of trash. I will pee on everything.
He will pee. When he's empty, he will be He
will be empty for a half a block, and he
will do another half of block and essentially pee nothing.
He peas nothing, and yet he feels that he has
marked his territory, but he decides which corner we go.
I let him decide whether or not he wants to
go north or south around this block or that block
when he wants to be done. And Natalie's like, you
are so not the alpha, but I kind of am.
I kind of am, by the way, forgive me. Apparently
the guy in the chat, or whoever it was who
said that I speak but say nothing, was well talking
about me. He was talking about Jordan Peterson, but I
didn't see the context because the chat was moving so quickly.
I'm almost disappointed. But yes, I agree, Jordan Peterson is
he speaks while saying nothing. But it's not the first
time someone has said that about me, So maybe I was.
Maybe I'm that's a sensitive nerve for me. Maybe I just,
you know, I'm just one man. I hear some people
say I sound like a preacher. Some people don't like
the fact that how do I say this? I mean,
you know, thirty five years in broadcasting in some way
I have a cadence about me that some people like,
and some people think sounds fake. They're like, he doesn't
talk like that in real life, and he sounds like
he's performing, and I find him irritating and blah blah blah,
and so they go after me for style. They're not
interested in what I'm saying. It's really more a preference
as to whether or not they like what I say
or the way I say what I say, or they
think I'm being disingenuous because I'm performing. He's just on stage,
you know, And that's fine. I mean, I don't think
you can be wrong for stating a preference. But the
idea that while he's able to string sentences together, the
fact that he uses vowels and consonants and knows how
to narrate a story the minute, that becomes a problem too.
I don't get that. I don't understand. We wish he
wasn't as polished as a speaker as he is, because
by communicating something clearly and professionally, he must be what.
I don't understand that criticism.
Speaker 4: Do get it.
Speaker 2: I do not get it. But if it's not your bag, totally,
plenty of channels out there. I do not take it personally.
I really don't. Let's see, is it Victoria at eight
one seven? Yes, Hi, Victoria, we're talking about ghostly things
or something else, what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 6: I was just thinking, it's what's the difference between ghosts
and demons?
Speaker 2: Well, there are different types of ghosts, and a demon
is I don't think. I think a demon is a
fallen angel. And then the debate becomes our angels ghosts,
and I've never equated those two, And I think ghost,
I think a wraith. I think a poltergeist, the actual
spirits usually of the living that passed away and entered
the realm of the dead or some second or third plane.
But demons I see as fallen angels from heaven, agents
of the dark Lord himself, you know, Beelzebub, Satan. So
I see them as different. I don't know, how do
you see them?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yeah, like the Christian definition. But it's like I'll think
about the different definitions from around the world, because every
culture seems to have a version of demons, and then
I'll thinking about how I would quickly say, oh, yeah,
I don't believe in ghosts, but then there was a
time when I ithentically believed in demons, and then I
was there's really no difference to this.
Speaker 2: I understand in that context. I get it spiritual beings
that roam this planet. You can't see them, measure them,
or really detect them unless some scenario opens up where
they touch your life in a physical way. Demons are
said to do that in a sinister way. So in
that context, I think you are right that you know,
in that specific way, I don't think there's any difference
between a spirit and a ghost. Yeah, and I buy that.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: We'll see what everybody else says.
Speaker 6: I say that now. But there was a time also
when I thought other people who believed in other types
of versions of the same thing I guess were totally
in the wrong, and they were like, okay, to make
flint of in that sense, because well, it's hard to
explain that. I up with in a house where we
took care of elderly people that would often die within
the rooms. So we had some help from especially Mexico,
some other some like there's some other countries too, but
they were very superstitious. And what I would do when
someone would die, Now I was being a complete ass,
but when someone would die, one of them she would go, uh,
close the door because she thought believed she told us
that the spirit would escape or something. And I thought
that was kind of weird because she was a nice lady.
What would what would it matter if she got out?
So I would always open the door after she closed it,
and I would look around the corner and she would
her eyes would just get really big, and she would
freak out and she would do something like some ritual,
and then she'd go back and close the door, and
then I would go open it when she left, but.
Speaker 2: Myself that way. But ah, you naughty, naughty, prankstery, naughty.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I was I believe, like what I was
taught about demons though, and I would be totally freaked
out by that. But then I would go ahead and
do that. Now, if I visit someone else's country, I
would be very respectful. And you know, if I visit
a Mosca where my I cover my head, take off
my shoes. If I go to the Catholic church in
Mexico or whatever, I take.
Speaker 4: My hat off. Whatever.
Speaker 6: It is the norm there and I don't know, but
here it's harder.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, well I like it, you know, throw some
cabinets open, creak some some drawers and cabinets, and and
move some stuff around and then just leave and let
somebody else sort of a sign agency to it. That's
kind of awesome. It's kind of awesome. So appreciate you
calling me Victoria or anything else.
Speaker 6: I'm still feel guilty about it though.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. It's all in fun.
It's all in fun, and it makes for a great story.
Appreciate you very much. Hang in there, Okay, thanks scare later. Okay,
there was someone who posted something that I wanted to
address there it is, all things considered said. I wish
I wasn't phone shying. I'd love to call in and
see Seth's take on adults talking about ghost I work
with people who think my job's haunted, and I seem
like the asshole for not taking it what I would
enjoy like if I worked in a hospital that had
a you know, an old morgue in the bottom, I'd
probably swap stories and go down there and scare myself.
I couldn't talk myself into the idea that it was
another worldly thing. I think at some point, don't you
and I get to the point where we understand so
much about the human brain, about the psychology of fear,
about patterns seeking, about confirmation bias, and seeing so many
ghost tales, so many legends debunked that that's even though
if we're ramped up and we have a strong heartbeat
and we break into a sweat and we feel the
fight flight or freeze response kick in, our logical mind
still knows that this is a response that is explainable,
and that's the explanation for whatever sound we just heard
in the corner. You know, Okham's raisers says, it's probably
not You know, someone who was in the freezer and
got forgotten, and so his ghost exited the physical form,
and then now he roams the halls and he just
does shit that ghosts do, which is what they move
coffee cups on her tops and they push wheelchairs down hall.
Have you ever noticed how mundane and banal the activity
of most apparitions, ghost spirits, etc. Are. Like if I
was a ghost and you gave me the opportunity to
interact with the physical world, you think I'd be taking
portraits on the wall and cocking him in twenty five degrees?
You think that was what? Is that what I'm going
to use my power for? Are you kidding me? You
think I'm going to take a three foot section of
a basement and make it twenty degrees golder. Is that
what I'm going to use my power for. No, Dad,
He's going to have some fun, just saying. If I
was a spirit I would like to first of all,
I would like to arrive and give comfort to those
who I'd left behind in a palpable way. I'm okay,
I'm safe. I live on we given the fact that
there is posthumous existence. I will describe to you what
this existence looks like. I will help you solve the mystery,
and I will assure you that one day we will
see each other again. Until then, live and be happy.
I am fine. I would do that, and then I
would commit myself and my spiritual resources to jacking up
the lives of terrible people. Elon Musk would not be safe.
I would screw with that guy's mind. I would rearrange
the shit in his life like that. He would think
he was going nuts. And we already think he may
have some issues. Have you seen the videos where he's
high on ketamine and he's sitting at the press conference
and he looks like he just got off the tilta whirl? Wow? Ah,
Jack Donald try Trump, You're mine? Oh your mine, every
password gets changed, doors will not open when he has
to open them at public events. I would cause his
pants to fall down while speaking at the un He's
right there in his skivs, tidy white. He's oh, just
dumb shit like that, but just jack with his life,
and I would. I'd hope that being a spirit, I
don't know what I would time, would space time still
exist or would I be able to see what was
going to happen before it happened, Because then I could
be an agent of prevention for harm done to people
on this earth. And I would serty And now I
could be like a police officer, an interventionist from the
spirit world. And I'd come back and I could actually
be like a superhero superhero all the people who are
trying to erase pride month Ah, I would have fun.
I would be most amused from the spirit world. Amusing
myself is not something that is hard to do. I've
been told this also by my wife Seth. You laugh
at your own shit all the time. I kind of do.
I don't know if anybody else is laughing I amuse myself.
Maybe the bar is low. I've got seven five seven.
Thanks for your patience. Who's this.
Speaker 5: My name is Alan.
Speaker 2: How you doing today, Alan? I am in good spirits,
so to speak. What's on your mind?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 5: We just started talking about old ghost tales and stuff
like that. And I was a teenager in a little
town just about twenty miles north of which a talk
called Newton. We used to get bored a lot when
we were teenagers. Now a whole lot to do. So
we would like search abandoned houses and were one time
came across a sunken graveyard and we loved going there
because it was kind of hard to fand and you know,
we can hang out. But one time we decided to
take a ouiji board up there, and you know, scar
getting a little creepy and everything like that, and I
out of know where one of those headstones fell.
Speaker 2: Boom wow.
Speaker 5: We went through them woods, ripping through woods and get
back to our cars. Man, it scared every single one
of us. But you know, growing up, you know, of
course I scared me at that. But I still don't
have that fear or anything like that, because I just
think of too many people like you just were kind
of bringing up. Man, that'd be too much many people
haunting people, whether it be practical jokes or just pure evil,
you know, it's just yeah. So I mean now I
realize that you know that they probably would have failed
where we were there or not, and it just happened
to be we were messing around the wrong time. And yeah,
but it scared me for a little while.
Speaker 2: What kind of things. I don't mean to put you
on the spot, but I will. If you were a
ghost and you could come back, what kind of stuff
would you be doing?
Speaker 5: It really depends. I mean, because there's certain people, like
you said, it's sure that you're like if you could
help them out, like help their car keys in the
morning and stuff, because you know that you probably used
to doing that. That might be beneficial.
Speaker 2: Ye oh, that's so good. That's so good.
Speaker 5: But like April Fool's Day, April Fool's Day, I still
want to do something to know. Oh, that's all a gun,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. I mean, you're an agent of help
and in a time of need, where are my keys?
And all of a sudden they levitate and float out
from behind the couch, and you have now served the
living from the world of the dead. That's cool. Well,
I think you know, I would love to be in
a graveyard when somebody was doing a ghost tour. I
would love to be in a scary place. Am I
above taking like a small piece of metal I found
in the corner and throwing it down the hallway when
nobody was looking, and then running to a hiding spot
to watch everybody say that it was the ghost of
someone who had been executed in the electric chair or
something like that. Would I do that? I'm not above it.
I'm not above it. So I kind of liked what
you did. That's awesome.
Speaker 5: Oh and absolutely, And it's still like another reason that
Hesto Kunda felt as could have been someone you know, like, oh,
this would be a good time to just kind of
push this over. It looks like it's about the fall
over anyway. I mean heard of it was out there.
Someone could have had that thought in now, I was
telling the other side of the story, going, oh, I
scared the heck out all you dudes one time.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Now, the downside is is that we are encouraging people
to believe in the things that we're spending the rest
of our lives trying to debunk. So I'm trying to
get people to realize that there's no evidence for spirits
and whatnot. So I guess if I was throwing shit
down sanitarium hallways or whatever, that I would be encouraging.
Maybe at what I was doing was counterproductive, but the
prankster in me, and I'm not rough prankster in most senses,
but in this one I might be. It would be tempting.
So I appreciate you sharing your story. Was there anything
else you wanted to share with us today?
Speaker 5: No, I just pretty much agree with you. It would
be I mean, I can't understand what you're saying, but
it kind of just plays on the whole thing as
a general idea of how crazy it is. Anyway, Yeah,
it's kind of fun sometimes to play on that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're also it's a great conversation. Thanks for
having it with me. We'll see you later.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Juliet in the chat said I would haunt so many
Sunday services tempting. The problem is is that we would
be reinforcing in the minds of believers in the spiritual
that the spiritual was real. But how tempting would that be.
Everybody's there and they're singing their songs. God have wondered,
and all of a sudden, the cross detaches from the
wall and it floats around the room, goes up to
the ceiling. You the offering plates lift up off of
the table and get thrown into the baptismal. The wind
filtrate the church audio visual system. So as everybody has
those sort of you know how they do when they
do worship songs. They've got the sunset and the field,
and they've got the clouds, and they've got all of
these really generic bullshit ethereal type things with the words underneath,
and you just jack with it systatic, and then you know,
vocally over the sound system, it's like.
Speaker 3: I must find a new host body.
Speaker 2: I would do that.
Speaker 3: Your pastor is sleeping with the receptionist.
Speaker 2: Other is God. Your way is like you could do
any any number of things.
Speaker 3: Turned to page one hundred and three in your I would.
Speaker 2: Do that kind of stuff. Uh, what time is that?
All right, let's call it a day. You are amazing.
I appreciate your paisance with me. I've been all over
the place today, but it's always fun to hang out.
So and I may release part of this as an
audio podcast, a bonus show. You think people would want
to listen to it? Not too much of what we
did is I think limited to the visual, so maybe
the audio podcasters, but enjoy something extra later on this week.
But in the meantime, you are amazing. You keep me going.
Hopefully this channel helps to keep you going. And if
you see a spirit or a ghost out there and
you have tools to properly measure it, if we can
get some peer review, have your people cool my people,
and we'll talk.
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