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Speaker 1: The Thinking Atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,

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an idea.

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Speaker 2: The population of atheists this country is going through.

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Speaker 1: The rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If

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I tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth,

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not because.

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Speaker 2: I put my hand on a book and made a.

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Speaker 1: Wish and working together for a more rational world.

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Speaker 2: Take the risk of thinking. Feel so much more happiness, truth, fusion,

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wisdom will come to you that way.

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Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.

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Speaker 2: This is just a bonus broadcast the audio of a

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recent live stream on YouTube. The YouTube link in the

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description box in case you want to watch. It is

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an odd day for us to do this. It's normally

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a Monday night show, but I was recovering from a

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busy weekend on Sunday. I was in Wichita speaking to

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Wichita Oasis, wonderful group there. But the night before I

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had been on a paranormal investigation. Now I'm going to

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come back to that here in just a second. By

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the way, there is a phone number is in the

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title and in the description box. There's also a weblink

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if you want to dial in, because I'm interested in

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shit you've seen or you think you've seen that was unexplained.

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And it's interesting because there are some atheists who believe

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in ghosts, no gods, but spirits. I'm not one of

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those people. I wasn't when I went on the ghost hunt,

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which is they hate when I call it a ghost hunt,

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but I love this kind of thing. I love horror movies.

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In fact, in honor of the stream, I'm wearing my

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Fangoria T shirt today because in fact, I had a

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chance to interview Phil Noble Nobile rather a junior, the

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editor in chief at the Fangoria. There's a video of that.

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It's totally unrelated, but that's just my jam anyway. But

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right now I am only able to stream this on YouTube.

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Facebook has blocked me from streaming for god I don't

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know how long. And the reason is is Facebook. So

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here's what happened. I posted a meme or it was

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in my queue. I have a category Q of memes

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that go out all day every day, and there must

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be a thousand of them, right, I mean, I out

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have time to monitor social media all the time, so

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I try to update news links. But I have a

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program that sort of shoots out a shotgun of other things,

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classic videos, older podcasts, memes, etc. And there's one that

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shows feed standing on the top of a cliff, and

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it's a riff on evolution is just a theory, which

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is one of the complaints that creationists have. Well, let's

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not proven. It's just a theory, meaning they don't understand

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what a scientific theory is. So the meme has feet

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on the edge of a cliff looking down and it says,

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go ahead and jump. Gravity is just a theory. Now

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in context, no one is wishing anybody harm, but it

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is exposing this word theory in the proper context. Facebook

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sees the meme and gives me a strike and says

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content warning. Why has it been marked? I actually it

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didn't even show me what it was, and it wouldn't

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to see the image that you posted that we have

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posted a strike on Jesus Christ, what the hell is it?

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So I'm fishing around, fishing around, I don't even know

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how I finally stumbled across it, and it was a

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strike against me for encouraging people to commit suicide, and

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then it said, are you struggling with depression? Are you

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yourself suicidal? We have resources, here's a hotline. Now, I'm

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not encouraging people to kill themselves. I was trying to

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use an example to prove the absurdity of this. It's

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only a theory, apologetic, so I appeal immediately. Sixty seconds

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it says you have been reviewed by a human being

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and this block is confirmed. You now have a strike

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on your account. Warning if there are another few strikes,

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your account is at risk of deletion because you have

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encouraged people to kill themselves. Part of your penalty is

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that you cannot do this, including streaming live on Facebook.

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And even tell me how long thirty days, sixty days,

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a year, two years, forever. I get it. You have

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to use algorithms, you have to use even AI whatever

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whatever to try to manage how many Facebook users are

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I understand the logistical challenges, but come on, really, I'm

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encouraging people to commit suicide. Therefore I am in violation

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of their code of conduct and their policies, and I

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am penalized. Therefore I cannot stream. I'm just bitching speaking,

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I'm bitching. A lot of people are. I've watched the

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recent video of Jordan Peterson. I talked to David McAfee,

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who was in the room with the Peterson versus twenty

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atheist debate, and how horribly he did. Some people watched

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the whole thing and had comment on it, the whole piece,

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that the whole conversation that David and I had, and

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other people were like, I lasted ten minutes. I couldn't

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take it. I cannot take the man. A few people

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were like, oh, he mopped the floor with those atheists.

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You guys are simply trying to villainize. You're misrepresenting the

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things he was trying to say. What a wise man,

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what a great thinker. Well, just for you, there is

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a website. It is called the Wisdom of Peterson dot com.

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is a word solid generator is like a random phrase

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generator that sound with stuff that sounds like Jordan Peterson

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and I have been most amused. I think I shared

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this maybe last year or the year before. I come

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back to the site occasionally, so it just generates random stuff.

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Here's one the dominance hierarchy creates species specific chaos. Clicking more.

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Wisdom embodying the logos is a foundation of a jumble

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of photons. Refresh. Greatness is beyond unparalleled dominance hierarchy. I

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could do this all day. Yes, there is one for

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Deepak Chopra as well, The Wisdom of Chopra website refresh.

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The traditional archetype comprehends humble dominance hierarchy. The Pinocchio archetype

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depends on deep belonging. Just a couple more because I'm amused.

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The Pinocchio archetype is an ingredient of visible life. Roughly speaking,

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this sounds just like Jordan Peterson. Experiential truth shapes mortal knowledge. Ah,

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he's so wise, He's so deep. It's awesome. That's awesome.

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The man is embraced as a great thinker. The Christian

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who refuses to admit he is a Christian. The guy

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who invokes the Bible and says that the Old Testament

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condemns slavery because Moses rescued the enslaved Israelites. A few

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chapters later, what do we have God instructing masters how

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to own slaves? I swear been watching this story out

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of Ukraine. Holy shit, you and I are embarking on.

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I'm just babbling here while I wait for a callers

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to populate with their own stories of weird encounters and sightings,

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or maybe stuff that you saw and then debunked. I'm

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interested in those things. I really want to talk to

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you today. You and I are now on the precipice

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of a whole new type of warfare. Do you read

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about Zelensky and Ukraine. They took these semi trucks that

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and they just I guess had been a year planning.

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mile and a half. They were parked near hard target

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strategic targets, including airfields. All of a sudden, the trucks

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open up, the drones go everywhere. The drones are carrying bombs,

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and Zelenski fox putin up. I don't know how much

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of their military was destroyed, how many of their planes,

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including planes that are no longer in production, which means

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they cannot be replaced. I mean, it's bizarre and wild

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beginning of a new type of warfare where the tiniest,

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almost the tiniest of drones now can sneak in through

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the slats into your attic to surveil or harm. And

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then what countermeasures are put in place for that any

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rogue agent anywhere. It can be used to help fight

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terror and harm and oppression, it can be used to

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perpetrate terror, harm and oppression. And then what does that

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look like with drones? What just crossing each other in

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the sky. And I'd say, well, you know, I just

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want to say inside, that doesn't help, because we can

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be surveilled indoors, we can be found indoors, we can

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be bombed indoors. But I will say I was high

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fiving some people when I saw this reciprocal attack. I mean,

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the idea that Putin got kicked and the boss is awesome.

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Fuck that guy. I just it's just and I look

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he's out of control, like why is he still in power?

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there were people and there have been resistance movements. But really,

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like most of the Russian people, even those who say

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they support Putin's assault on Ukraine, admit they don't know

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what his goals are. What's he trying to accomplish? I

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do not know. Someone explained this, So yeah, and Putin

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is such an arrogant prick just to I just it's

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sweet ambrosia. It is sweet nectar. Props to Zolenska. Just

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props to that guy. All right, hashtag I stand with Ukraine. Wow.

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this to you. I'm kind of in a mood today.

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So I'm sorry. You ever have those days, You're just

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check this out and you this is a well informed audience,

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so I'm sure you're probably all over this already. Military

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Pete Hegseth orders the Navy to strip the name of

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gay rights icon Harvey Milk from Ship Defense Secretary Pete

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hag Seth has ordered the Navy to take the rare

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step of renaming a ship one that bears the name

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of a gay rights icon. Documents and sources show Military

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Secretary of the Navy, the official who holds the power

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to name Navy ships, that showed the Sea Service had

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oilers ship USNS Harvey Milk. The official also said the

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timing of the announcement occurring during Pride Month was intentional.

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The memo reviewed by military dot Com noted that the

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renaming was being done so that there is quote alignment

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with President and sec deaf objectives and sec nav priorities

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of re establishing.

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Speaker 3: The warrior culture.

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Speaker 2: Dun dunt dunn. Every day just a brand new example

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of awful. Every day you wake up and Coach, I'm

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telling you this no King's protest that's coming up a

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week from Saturday. I think it's going to be People

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are pissed, and I love the counter that we're seeing

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all across, whether it's among human beings and neighborhoods and

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cities by mayors by governors, by corporations. I saw a

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major sports team I can't remember which one it was,

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and they're throwing rainbow flags on everything and say we

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love everybody. Right, so they're doing a counter Trump. So

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and the no Kings protest, which is going to be

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happening in places all around the world. I think, what

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is that? Saturday? Is it the fourteenth? Mean?

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Speaker 2: Hold, please, Google calendar is my memory? I don't have

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a memory anymore. It has to be Google Calendar Saturday

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the fifteenth, I believe, Well, you know what no Kings

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dot org. Let me pull this up and let you

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see the website share screen. No kings, Okay, no kings

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in America, we don't do kings. They've defied our courts,

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deported Americans, disappeared people off the streets, attacked our civil rights,

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and slashed our services. The corruption has gone too far.

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No thrones, no crowns, no king. On June fourteenth, we

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rise up and then there's a map of locations all

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around the country. And I know other nations are going

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to have a No King's Day as well. There are

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ways to spread the word. There are ways to maybe

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rally a protest if there's not one already in your city.

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People are pissed. I think it's gonna be huge. Why

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are they doing it on a Friday? That doesn't make

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any sense to me? Did I get that right now?

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I got to look again, hang on calendar. Sorry, thanks

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for your patience. Saturday the fourteenth, I was looking at

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it incorrectly. Yes, Saturday, I think it's at noon. Can

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be huge, huge, and I'll be there. I've got a

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sign with Jefferson quote on it, but I'm thinking of

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making a fresh one for the new protest. I struggled

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snarky signs. I mean, it has a message, but it

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also has a little bit of a razor's edge to it.

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like an emotional response, even though there is some emotion

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involved because I'm pissed, but I want them to see

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something factual that diffuses any criticism that they might think

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they have. The Jefferson was an example of that. Right

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where Jefferson was talking about how opposed he was to monarchies.

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I mean, how do these people protest the words of

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one of the founding fathers they say they love and

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that was kind of a defense mechanism. But I've seen

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some great ones out there. I've seen some great, great

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signs out there, a lot of them lampooning Trump. I

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think one of my favorites. I mean, beyond the signs

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we saw April of fourth. But remember back when he

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went to Britain. This is back when the Queen was

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still alive and they were floating those helium balloon Trump babies,

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the giant ones. I just loved the Trump baby blimp.

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I just love the blimp. I think we need that here.

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And I believe some people during Trump's military military parade

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in this country, and don't tell me it's about the

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military men and women, don't tell me about it. It's

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about the veteran. This is Trump masturbating. He's going to

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be out there like fucking kim Oon with his hand

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in the air, probably giving a Nazi salute as he

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goes down the streets, and everybody's like whoo. But there

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are counter events that are going to be happening all that.

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There are protests on site. Now there is a concern

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that there's going to be violence confrontation. One of the

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strategies by authoritarian regimes. And this is not just a

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conspiracy theory, but this does happen is somebody who was

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part of the authoritarian regime stages a violent act. So

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they show up pretending to be one of the resistance

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and then they do something horrible. Then the authoritarian regime

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can say those people are lawless traitors, they are an American,

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they are dangerous, they're emotional, out of control, blah blah blah,

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and that then and justifies whatever reciprocal action takes place,

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usually involving weapons. So there is some concern that we're

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going to see escalation, and there are preemptive measures that

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are happening. People are being instructed, they're given guidelines if

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this happens. If the police show up and try to

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arrest you, here's what you can say, Here's what your

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rights are. You know, sit down, do not stand up,

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Do not do this gesture with your hand, Do not

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be provocative in this specific way, especially if there are

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cameras rolling. This can be misinterpreted or disinterpreted against you

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and against the cause. There are specific things they are

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saying that you can do to try to prevent a

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lot of this crazy stuff to be painted, and we're

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going to be painted as the villains in the story. Anyway.

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Resistance is one of the few things that has given

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me joy. Everything else, I just you know, I mean,

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the work that we do here is always gratifying. But

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this is part of a resistance movement. Resistance against authoritarians,

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against high control, culture, against superstition, against Project twenty twenty five,

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against the bigots. You know, It's one of the few

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things that I feel like is productive, one of the

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few doses of medicine I get. Do you feel that way?

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Much more to talk about, and I will get to

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the ghosts in just a few plus. Your calls hang on.

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Our standard for normal has become so distorted that a

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few days ago, the President of the United States shared

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a post claiming that Joe Biden had been executed in

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twenty twenty and replaced by a robot. Nobody blinks. I

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mean you and I did. I mean, this is twenty

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fifth amen in territory. This is what the hell territory.

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This is the man that his cheese has slid off,

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his cracker, the wheel is spinning, his hamster is dead,

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his elevator does not rise to the top floor. Something

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going on, And it's possible that maybe this was just

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done as a distraction. Maybe he's having fun tweaking the wokelbs.

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Maybe you know, he doesn't want us looking over here,

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so he distracts over here by saying the most outrageous shit.

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But regardless of what his motivation is, a sitting president

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just said he shared a post saying that Biden has

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been dead for five years and replaced with a robot

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and nobody cares. What the fuck? God, how long's guy

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been president? How many goddamn days has the guy been president?

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Not even six months? The midterms aren't until the fall

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of twenty twenty six. How much more damage is going

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to be done? You and I are living in a

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culture where they want to just scrub names, the names

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of the people in our history. They want to ban

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our books, they want to I've got the oligarchs, I mean,

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Elon's out of the White House. Yay. He's already had

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access to everybody's private information. He's grabbed it. He's probably

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absconded somewhere where he's going to unleash AI on it.

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And then what are we going to do? The one

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good thing about Elon leaving the White House, and I

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genuinely predicted that Elon and Trump, those two egos cannot

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exist in the same physical space very long at all,

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and it's going to explode. And the ego and jealousy

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and pettiness and childishness and sociopathy of two these two billionaires,

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they cannot exist in the same space for long now.

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I thought it was going to blow up in February,

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which was optimistic. I didn't think they'd last a few

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months after the inauguration. So okay, fine, it's early June,

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but it's happening. It's happening. And so now Elon is

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he's upset about the big beautiful Bill and he's going

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to start weaponizing X against Trump, who he spent hundreds

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of millions of dollars to help elect. And now everybody's

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going going, hey, wait a minute. We thought Elon was

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our hero who was going to go in with thsee

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and save the day, and so we support him, but

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he's now he's at war with Trump, who we support,

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and I don't know who are we supposed to I

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guess we'll go with Trump, but Elon's got a lot

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more resources, so maybe his war against Trump is going

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to be I don't know what. I'm here for this.

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I am so here for this war. Let them let

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the rattlesnakes turn on each other. I'm in po the

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popcorn baby Leonard Leo. Leonard Leo, the dirty, rotten, filthy,

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stinking rich billionaire who helped fuel this deocratic takeover of

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the government, is now filing a lawsuit against Donald Trump.

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So those two were on the outs. Oh yeah, yeah,

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let the billionaires go. Yeah, throw them in. It's thunderdome.

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If we get lucky, they'll just kill each other. I

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mean metaphorically speaking, financially, reputationally, they'll strip each other of

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all power and they'll both end up. I don't know,

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living on a deserted island. I don't know. We need

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like an escape from New York Island, except it's really small,

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and we build the wall and we just toss the

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two in and then we make you know, make it.

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We make sure they have food and water, and then

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we go off over here. I'm here, I'm here for that.

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Marjorie Taylor Green votes for the big beautiful Bill and

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then she comes forward yesterday and she's pissed because there's

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something in the bill that she doesn't like. I forget

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what it was. Wasn't it something about unfettered AI or something?

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I forgive me, I'm I'm I can't remember. And she's like, oh,

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I'm very angry that this is in the bill. You

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mean the bill that you voted for. That bill, the

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one you voted for. So now everybody's like, maybe you

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should read the legislation that you are voting for. It's awesome,

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it's awesome. I'm here for it. I'm here for it.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Let them chew each other and spit each other out.

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You and I can sit back here in the bleachers

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and sip whatever beverage sounds good at the time and

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just watch it, watch it go down. But an antidote

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to a lot of the despair, hopelessness and helplessness is

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finding moments of distraction, which is why I was going

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to do this live stream in the first place, which

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is now almost a half an hour old, and I

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haven't hardly talked at all about it. So fine, here's

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what happened. And I shot a ton of video. I

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took three cameras. It was hard work, Like you know,

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you see these Ghost Adventures crews and they go in.

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They got a whole production crew. They I don't know

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how many cameraman, they got a sound guy, they got

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all these other people. They've got grips that can move

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gear and one guy. I drive to uh Coffeeville, Kansas

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because I had been invited to join a paranormal investigation

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troop from Oklahoma. And they go around and they take

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their tools, and so I was invited to join along

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by a fellow skeptic name Brandon Brissau, and he does

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a lot of these types of things. He's a skeptic.

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He hasn't never seen any ghosts, but he's curious and

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he finds it interesting. So he said, would you like

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to join me? Okay, great, I'm in. And I said,

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do they know who I am? Do they know what

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they are getting into? He's like, they're totally cool. I'm like, well,

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I guarantee you this. If I go, I'm not going

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to be a jerk. I'm going to go with respect.

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I'm going to have an open mind, right, not so

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open that my brain falls out, but I'm going to

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have an open mind, and I'm going to be there

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as someone who genuinely enjoys ghost genre. I enjoy ghost

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stuff as fiction. I tell ghost stories every October. I

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have produced two ghost stories audio books available now at

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audible dot com. So I'm in, So I show up.

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I get there about four o'clock in the afternoon. I

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shoot some exteriors. Beautiful mansion with a long and interesting history,

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which is really what I enjoyed the most about the

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It's an amazing structure, this historical building, which I believe

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was finished in the early nineteen hundreds. And there's a

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family that you know. The story is kind of a

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tragic one, including the loss of many children. But the

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idea is is that there are hauntings that have taken

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place inside the Brown Mansion, Coffee Bilt, Kansas. So once

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the paranormal troop got there, we all had dinner and

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we kind of got to know each other, and I tried,

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I think I tried to assure them I am not

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going to ruin your day. Mostly I'm going to kind

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of do my thing. I'm interested in what you are doing.

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Then they went to the place we got the tour

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and they pulled out their paranormal investigation tools. Now I'm

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a little bit like I had Kenny Biddle from Skeptical

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inquirer on the podcast, was it last year debunking the

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tools that were being used to detect.

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Speaker 3: Ghosts?

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Speaker 2: I was like, that's bullshit. That tool is bullshit. That's bullshit.

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Didn't say it, and it was interesting, But mostly it

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was interesting to watch how they were used, not the

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tools themselves, but this propensity for patterns seeking. So you know,

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there's a guy I think he had a thermal camera.

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So he's walking around and I'm like, well, okay, now

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the truth is if you see a hot spot or

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a cold spot, okay, you know, welcome to the basement.

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You know, welcome to this part of a room where

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there may be a dread like a hotspot or a

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cold spot. Is this proof of anything? If you see

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a humanoid shaped hot spot or cold spot and it's

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actually walking in a room where no one exists, I

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want to know that. I will give you that guarantee.

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I want to know that. Then they had I don't

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know what this thing was, but it was a Kenny knows.

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It's like a bubble and it's got like a red

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light and an antenna on it. What the hell is

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that thing? But he's got one, and I think he's

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taken it apart, and he's like, this is bullshit. The

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EMF meter electromagnetic field meter, and I've got I should

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have brought it out of my eye. Actually bought one

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for like ten bucks, and that's supposed to detect changes

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in the electromagnetic field, which apparently is ghosts if it's

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not things like a cell phone or a I don't know,

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electrical chord. And this was used it. It was fascinating.

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So we were all we were all in a room

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and we were all seated, and they took one guy

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and they put headphones on him with like rock music

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something that was really dense, so we couldn't hear anything

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else in the room. And then he had a blindfold on.

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Somebody in the paranormal troop took the EMF meter and

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they held it out in front, so they're really in

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the center of the room. And there was some I

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don't know what looked like a light grid. It looked

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like that grid in the opening credit to The black Hole,

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the movie The black Hole from the nineteen eighties. It

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was which I guess detects motion. Maybe they were dots.

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They were dots, so you should be able to see

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like a warping of the dots if there was a

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spirit in the room. And I'm just sitting in this

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metal folding chair watching in rapt attention. So they have

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the guy sensory headphones. He has the blindfold on, and

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the instruction is speak out whatever word pops into your mind,

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and we're going to use the EMF meter to see

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if it moves. And maybe this has some sort of meaning.

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Maybe it is some communication from the spirit world. So

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he's there, I don't know whatever's going on in his headphones.

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00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,680
And then he just I forget what the words are,

472
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,880
so I'll just make something up. He's just you know,

473
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:57,000
he's sitting in the chair and he's like car animal, purple.

474
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:00,799
This is actually one of the words. Okay, purple. And

475
00:34:01,559 --> 00:34:03,640
this is when it becomes interesting because we begin to

476
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,839
see the propensity by people for patterns seeking, we see

477
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:13,199
confirmation by us and a tremendous desire to believe. So

478
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,400
the person holding the EMF meter is there, and when

479
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:21,320
he said purple, the light went up to I don't know,

480
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,360
it was like green, shades of yellow and then red

481
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,800
and it goes up midway yellow. Oh wait a minute,

482
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,000
there were hang on, hang on when you said purple.

483
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:38,480
There was a marked ramping up of the EMF. You know,

484
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,239
purple was my mother's favorite color, and she passed away

485
00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:46,280
two years ago, but she put she loved purple. She

486
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,719
had purple this and purple that. I wonder, do you

487
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,239
think the spirit is trying to tell me about my mother?

488
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,639
And I'm sitting over here, going, what the hell does

489
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:59,840
this have to do with the Brown family and their mansion.

490
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,239
It's the equivalent of somebody saying, I'm sensing a word

491
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,239
that starts with M someone in your family. And of

492
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,239
course you and I are like scanning through and if

493
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,239
we have no one in our family that we can

494
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,079
think of who has a name that starts with M,

495
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:20,519
we can just go back to mom. It's it's mother.

496
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:27,199
It's just trying to speak to me through the spirit world. Wow.

497
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,159
And he just barked out words, and they would wait

498
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:35,239
for some sort of a reaction. And I'm looking at

499
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:39,679
this thing, going how many cell phones are in this room? Like?

500
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,079
Does that pick a hang on, I gotta look this up.

501
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:55,480
Does EMF meter detect sell phones? EMF meters measure the

502
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:59,199
natural DC magnetic field of the Earth, which varies according

503
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,440
to locale and proximity of ferro magnetic building material. What

504
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,239
does that mean? I'm terrified of some of these websites,

505
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,480
This one says skeptics. I put this up, but I

506
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,280
don't want to, like give too much bandwidth to what

507
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:21,000
might be a bogus website. Mobile phones are by definition

508
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:25,920
devices that can detect EMF, since their ability to communicate

509
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:31,840
depends on radio frequency fluctuations in EMF. Well, that seems

510
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:38,000
a reversal phones detecting EMF anyway, thank you, Robert. EMF

511
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:41,440
meters are used to find wires in walls, and in fact,

512
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,159
at one point I think someone took one and put

513
00:36:44,159 --> 00:36:46,119
it up to a piece of romax and it went

514
00:36:46,159 --> 00:36:48,239
off or went all the way to the red because

515
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,920
there was electricity flowing through it. But what we see

516
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,800
here is the propensity for patterns seeking primates to begin

517
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,719
to connect dots that normally really wouldn't be right. We

518
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,559
are looking for the face, we are looking for the feature.

519
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,920
We are looking to anthropomorphize anything and everything that may

520
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:13,039
be just a random inhuman occurrence. And I think that's

521
00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:15,440
one of the things I found most fascinating. The other

522
00:37:15,519 --> 00:37:18,320
tool they brought out, and they take this shit so seriously,

523
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,480
they're lovely people. Lovely people. When they brought out this

524
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:28,719
spirit box. Then I remember specifically the part of the

525
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,599
interview with Kenny Biddle that I had. I should link

526
00:37:31,639 --> 00:37:33,559
that in the description box if I think of it,

527
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:35,159
so you can go back to it. Because he's got

528
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:38,039
a whole office full of tools, and what he does

529
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:39,960
is he takes this shit apart and he's like, well,

530
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,400
here's what's in it, and here's what's in it, and

531
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:45,199
here's what it does. Near love. Okay. The spirit boxes

532
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,400
essentially think of a radio that scans every frequency from

533
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,719
bottom to top. So FM would be what eighty eight

534
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,559
point eight or whatever FM all the way up to

535
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:59,000
one oh seven point whatever. And you know there are

536
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:02,039
what fifteen twenty any radio stations that are staggered all

537
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:03,960
the way up and down the radio dial. Well, what

538
00:38:04,039 --> 00:38:08,960
the spirit box does is it grabs maybe one second

539
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:13,159
from each station before it locks into the next one

540
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,039
locks into the next one. So you hear about a

541
00:38:16,119 --> 00:38:21,280
second from each working station. Some quite staticky, but you

542
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,079
will occasionally hear discernible words or parts of words, and

543
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:30,119
again the pattern seeking brain activates, so it's like as

544
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,679
as and then words will all of a sudden appear

545
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,760
and you could hear anything, and then you begin to

546
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:46,480
connect dots and say, it sounds like headstone. This means

547
00:38:46,559 --> 00:38:52,320
something who died in the house. Did they get a headstone?

548
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:56,000
Where is the headstone? What's the significance of that location?

549
00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:58,800
Oh wait, they were buried in anonymous grave. They have

550
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,239
no headstone. They wanted a headstone, they were denied a headstone.

551
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,599
Are they saying, I'm going to die and I will

552
00:39:06,639 --> 00:39:10,079
need a headstone? You can see, I mean, you can

553
00:39:10,159 --> 00:39:13,360
totally see it. So I'm sitting back here watching, trying

554
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,480
not to be that guy, but being that guy quietly,

555
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,039
and I make this guarantee it. I made this to

556
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:33,360
the group that if there is evidence of something that

557
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:38,880
has previously been unexplained or wrongly explained, I want to

558
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:45,440
know that that's the fair approach. If the teapot lifts

559
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,519
off the little shelf thing and it levitates across the

560
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,760
room and pour his invisible tea into a cup that's

561
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,800
been sitting in this place for ninety years and then

562
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:59,000
goes back and sits on the shelf, I want to

563
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:03,599
see that, want to know that. And then I want

564
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:07,960
to say, what is it? Why did it happen. What

565
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:14,320
are the explanations and is ghosts or dead Grandma our

566
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,840
reasonable explanation that we should pursue. Are these claims testable?

567
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:22,880
And I find it frustrating that the whole claim is

568
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,480
that these are phenomenon that do not exist in the naturals,

569
00:40:27,519 --> 00:40:31,840
so therefore experiments won't work on them. It was even

570
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,079
said I think at the paranormal investigation that we are

571
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:41,519
using tools that are not scientific. That's a remarkable statement.

572
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:47,719
We are using tools that are not scientific. Well, if

573
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:53,440
they're not scientific, why are we using them? And I

574
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:56,880
told Brandon this on camera. If we are talking about

575
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:01,159
the spirit world interacting in the physical realm, it's almost

576
00:41:01,199 --> 00:41:07,599
like the soul interacting with the physical brain to inform identity.

577
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:11,840
This is still a scientific question. There is a point

578
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,920
where the spiritual would connect with the physical in a

579
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:23,079
way that could be verified and seen. I think it

580
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:28,039
remains a scientific question. Now I would do another ghost hunt,

581
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:29,639
I don't know if I'd take all my gear. I

582
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,039
was exhausted. I think we finished it one in the morning.

583
00:41:34,159 --> 00:41:36,559
You can say I shot video. I'm going to release

584
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,679
a whole profile of it. For a few reasons. One,

585
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,840
I want to chronicle the history of the mansion because

586
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,320
it's remarkable. It's an amazing place. I do want to

587
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,440
get into the lore of the history of the family

588
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:54,519
and the genesis of these particular haunted tales. I want

589
00:41:54,599 --> 00:41:57,800
to use. I'm going to use production tools. I did

590
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,199
a test on Facebook yesterday just grins. But I took

591
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:05,159
some of the most benign a footage. I shot an exterior.

592
00:42:05,519 --> 00:42:08,199
I had a shot of me from my car. I

593
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,079
had the iPhone on the dash and We're going up

594
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:14,119
the road and around the corner and I'm shooting through

595
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:17,719
the trees. You can take the most vanilla, generic footage

596
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,559
and you can do all some stuff with it in post.

597
00:42:20,639 --> 00:42:23,320
So whenever you see those ghost adventure shows and they

598
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,679
take these guys, three of these guys have the collective

599
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,760
cognitive ability of a lawn chair, and they're like, they

600
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,639
bring tools like this and they run into a mansion

601
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,480
or a sentence. I'd love to go into an abandoned

602
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:40,960
prison or an old sanitarium, and they're like, hang on,

603
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:48,199
just a second, I just saw an orb in my camera. Lanbs.

604
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:50,119
It must be.

605
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,079
Speaker 3: The spirit of the proprietor who lived here.

606
00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: Or it's a speck of dust, and you don't know

607
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:07,800
how cameras work. Anyway, I'm going to do like I'm

608
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,239
going to play it straight in the video, which I

609
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,519
planned to release closer to Halloween. I think I'm going

610
00:43:12,599 --> 00:43:15,199
to sit on it till late September early October, so

611
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,320
it kind of ties into Halloween. But I'm going to

612
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,360
do a legit profile of the mansion my experience there.

613
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:24,119
We're going to go through the rooms and tell the stories.

614
00:43:24,159 --> 00:43:26,000
We're going to get into some of the different types

615
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:28,239
of ghosts that have been alleged. I think we're going

616
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:33,599
to talk about the tools that are often used that

617
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:37,480
by paranormal investigators. I think, you know, I'm going to

618
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:40,039
do kind of a wrap up assummation as a skeptic,

619
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:45,159
and then I think I'm going to produce. I'm going

620
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,519
to have fun with it. I think I'm just going

621
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:49,199
to go into the production room and I'm going to

622
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:53,280
do a whole thing just like what we saw. I'm

623
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,400
going to distort the hell out of it. I'm going

624
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,599
to shoot or produce Dutch angles and throw in audio

625
00:43:58,679 --> 00:44:01,840
and have music and screen and whispers and sound effects

626
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,679
and you know, the eyes of the mother popping in

627
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,000
and rushing down the hall because I shot some of

628
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:09,199
this stuff and I'm just gonna have it's gonna I'm

629
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:12,480
gonna do a playground, and so that'll be kind of fun.

630
00:44:12,519 --> 00:44:14,639
So I'm gonna be sort of pecking away at that

631
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:20,239
project between now and end of September early October, and uh,

632
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,800
some people will take the journey. Some people get mad

633
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:27,400
at me whenever I do supernatural stuff. Why wouldn't atheists

634
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:31,039
spend any time talking about ghosts? What kind of skeptic

635
00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:37,920
are you? I'm a skeptic who enjoys fiction and stories

636
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:45,000
and imagination, and I want to participate in examinations of

637
00:44:45,559 --> 00:44:50,000
extraordinary claims. I love Lord of the Rings. I do

638
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:55,639
not believe in Gandalf. You know what I'm saying. You

639
00:44:55,679 --> 00:44:58,880
can always tell those people, these pedants, that just they

640
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,760
troll around look for reasons to sound snobby and superior.

641
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:07,559
I can't believe Zeth would participate in this kind of thing.

642
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,800
I heard the same thing with Jordan Peter. I can't

643
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,039
believe Seth would give oxygen. He's such a boor thinker.

644
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,760
Define oxygen. There was some light, there's a shit ton

645
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,679
of heat. It's not just oxygen. Hell, I'm not just

646
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,800
platforming the guy to prop up his reputation. We actually

647
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:31,159
propped him up so that he could self emmolate once again. Anyway,

648
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:33,880
I stopped being in the pleasing everybody business a long

649
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:36,519
time ago. I'm going to serve the community. But these

650
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:38,639
people who just walk around and all they do is

651
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,000
snipe from the cheap seats. I mean, I hate to

652
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,920
be that way. No, I don't. No, I'm just tired

653
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:53,960
of them. More of your calls as we talk about

654
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,280
haunted experiences, ghostly sightings. I don't know. Whatever you want

655
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:10,400
to talk about, we'll do it next. Thanks for listening,

656
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,280
Thanks for joining me for a smattering of topics on

657
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:19,679
this bonus show. Cheetah says, I'm terribly good at saying nothing. Hang,

658
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,400
let me put that on screen because I think that

659
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,239
would be great on a business card. Yeah ho' by that?

660
00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:37,519
I am really I am a masterclass an empty calorie dialogue. Okay,

661
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,519
was there anything else I wanted to talk about? Now

662
00:46:40,559 --> 00:46:43,599
that I'm fifty minutes into this man talk about a tangent?

663
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:47,800
Talk about a random tangent. And I do welcome your calls.

664
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,199
I would love to speak to you. I don't care

665
00:46:50,199 --> 00:46:52,559
if it's about ghost It can be on any subject.

666
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:57,000
Hopefully my switchboard is working. Let me hit the talk

667
00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:00,880
button area code two five four high. Can you hear me?

668
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:03,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hear you.

669
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:09,079
Speaker 2: Can everybody in the chat hear my caller? Hang on?

670
00:47:09,119 --> 00:47:10,960
I'm gonna hang on just a second for me. I'm

671
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:14,320
gonna make sure that people, I mean make sure can

672
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:17,559
can everybody hear them because I've got one button that

673
00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:21,239
I can't remember if it needs to go down? Okay,

674
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:26,360
everybody can hear you? Yeah, all right, lovely, all right?

675
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,400
Hit me? What's your first name or what do you

676
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:29,800
want to be called? What's on your mind?

677
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:31,559
Speaker 5: Frank?

678
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,039
Speaker 4: It's Frank here, So ghosts. I used to live on

679
00:47:37,039 --> 00:47:41,199
a farm. It was a very old buildings on the property,

680
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:45,639
and uh never knew of any of these stories till

681
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:49,280
after things happened. I was out by the hundred and

682
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,599
some year old barn one day with my dogs, and

683
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,159
I hear children and the dogs here children, nobody's supposed

684
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:58,199
to be after they run around the side of the barn.

685
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:02,199
I go around there and there's nobody there, okay, just

686
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,719
something blowing across the field. I'm a skeptic, but I

687
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,079
keep an open mind. There was a situation one day.

688
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,960
I had a friend who was a skeptic and he

689
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:16,000
was dying, and I said, hey, if you get out

690
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,119
there into the next level trying to find me, I

691
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:23,000
keep an open mind. Well, that evening, one evening, shortly

692
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:25,440
after he passed away, the dogs and I were sitting

693
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,280
in the living room and they all there were seven dogs,

694
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,880
and they all stand up and they're looking in this

695
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:34,679
direction and they're looking at me for guidance. There's nothing

696
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,960
on the other side of the room. One of them

697
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,199
kind of growls and they look at me, and so

698
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:44,599
I'm being a skeptic but keeping an open mind. I

699
00:48:44,679 --> 00:48:48,559
just said, is that you Alex? And there's no response.

700
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,679
But they were seeing something that I wasn't seen. They

701
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,360
saw it. Their hair stood up, and it was not

702
00:48:56,519 --> 00:48:58,360
like in the direction of the door. It was in

703
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,960
the direction of the wall. There's nothing in there that

704
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:05,400
I can see. I've been around dogs all my life,

705
00:49:05,519 --> 00:49:10,719
and they see here and sense things that human still

706
00:49:11,039 --> 00:49:14,880
or they hear different than we do. So I don't know,

707
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,360
you know, I keep an open mind. I don't have

708
00:49:17,639 --> 00:49:20,480
enough evidence. We'll put it that way, but I think

709
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:24,760
there was something there that they saw that I didn't.

710
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:27,639
I found out later that there were some children that

711
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,880
died in that barn one hundred years ago when part

712
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,679
of it caught on fire. They were playing in the barn.

713
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:36,679
So just weird stuff like that happened on the farm

714
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,320
from time to time.

715
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: I find that interesting. Dogs are an especially fascinating case

716
00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:49,800
when they Now I've seen the movies, because the dog

717
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,679
always knows some shit's about to go down, well before

718
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:56,119
the family and the haunted house knows. Right, the dog

719
00:49:56,199 --> 00:50:00,000
won't go in. The dog's cognives had gone out. Oh

720
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:04,000
hell no, I ain't going in there. I do find

721
00:50:04,039 --> 00:50:07,760
those stories interesting, and I don't know, compelling may not

722
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,159
be the word, but I do watch my animals very closely.

723
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,119
They seem to know things, don't they.

724
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, they do. When I'm I had to move

725
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,920
to the city, but I still have one of the dogs.

726
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,719
And when I'm walking and I have my earbuds in,

727
00:50:26,159 --> 00:50:29,039
I'm focused on the dog on the least because if

728
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:31,559
the dog looks to the right, he's hearing and seeing

729
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:34,320
things that I'm not seeing because I got my music going,

730
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:37,119
and you know what's inside my head, so I'll look

731
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:40,360
to the ride and see what it is. I mean,

732
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,239
it's just they're very different than us as far as

733
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:48,519
hearing and seeing and sensing things. They see things on

734
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:52,760
a level of three feet in below, you know, they

735
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:55,800
see under cars that we don't see. They can hear

736
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,159
better than us, they can smell better than us, and

737
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,559
so I really pay it tension, you know, and they

738
00:51:01,599 --> 00:51:08,719
give unconditional love. Humans have so many conditions conditional and

739
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,400
start judging a little bit. I go be the dog.

740
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,519
Be the dog, the dog, Be the dog, the dog,

741
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:16,440
keep moving.

742
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 2: So what are the chances that the dog, who is

743
00:51:21,519 --> 00:51:25,920
on a sensory sensory having sensory overload, is just smelling

744
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,679
the bacon that somebody is cooking five doors down. I mean,

745
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,360
that's always a possibility. They stop and they freeze and

746
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:35,440
they stare. It's maybe someone's fired up the you know,

747
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:40,840
the rotisserie or something right, or the.

748
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 4: Female in heat that's a quarter mile away. If it's

749
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,679
a male dog. Yeah, there's there's just all kinds of

750
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:50,519
you know, And I call him the females. When when

751
00:51:50,559 --> 00:51:53,360
he comes up to a post he's smelling all the females.

752
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,960
That's how they Hey, I was out there, you know

753
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:01,920
the post office it's the mail box, you know, the

754
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:08,199
people you know, and they it's for me. I understand

755
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,039
a little bit of the pack mentality well pretty pretty

756
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:13,079
well because I've been around Ogahmore and I'm the leader

757
00:52:13,079 --> 00:52:15,599
of the pack, so they're going to alert me and

758
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:21,159
look at me for guidance and uh so it's pretty

759
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:23,320
well all the dogs out there. I had a Jack

760
00:52:23,519 --> 00:52:26,880
Russell that was like always on. He would bark, which

761
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,920
would wake up the visless. The visless would bark, which

762
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,239
would wake up the bull terriers, and the bull terriers

763
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,519
would set up the perimeter. You don't you're not coming in. Wow.

764
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,000
And it was just really wild to watch.

765
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:41,679
Speaker 2: But you're all set for the zombie apocalypse. Sounds like

766
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,719
you got some beasts of burden who are ready to

767
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:48,280
protect the cave. They're out there doing a sentry duty.

768
00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:51,559
I appreciate your call. It's an interesting story and something

769
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:55,360
for us to talk about hanging there. Okay, thank you,

770
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:57,800
all right to see you. I don't think I'm the

771
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:04,440
alpha and my huge dog relationship, Natalie says, I'm not.

772
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:13,480
I yeah, I kind of am, but it's like the

773
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:18,480
way I walk Linus or he walks me, like you're

774
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:22,320
supposed to take the leash. I'm digressing again. I've got

775
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,280
another call coming in and I will get to that,

776
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:26,800
and the switchboard remains open, and we'll just go for

777
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,880
as long as you want within reason. I think you're

778
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,480
supposed to have them on your left, if you're right handed,

779
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:37,199
or I don't know, right by your side, and they

780
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,960
follow your lead, they don't run around at the end

781
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:44,239
of the leash, and they obey your commands. You are

782
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,599
the alpha. Well, it's not how I walk the dogs.

783
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:50,480
I've got one of those little retractable things, you know.

784
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,360
So he's ten feet in front of me, and he's sniffing,

785
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,760
and he goes, oh, look it's a mail. Oh look

786
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,400
it's a fire hydrant. Oh here's a blade of grass

787
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,480
that seems to be have been territorialized. I guess I

788
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,679
need to go and and reassert my dominance. And then

789
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,280
he goes over, oh light pole, Oh lookie, here's a

790
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,599
random thing, a piece of trash. I will pee on everything.

791
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:14,079
He will pee. When he's empty, he will be He

792
00:54:14,119 --> 00:54:16,800
will be empty for a half a block, and he

793
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,559
will do another half of block and essentially pee nothing.

794
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,440
He peas nothing, and yet he feels that he has

795
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:27,119
marked his territory, but he decides which corner we go.

796
00:54:27,199 --> 00:54:29,039
I let him decide whether or not he wants to

797
00:54:29,079 --> 00:54:31,760
go north or south around this block or that block

798
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:34,280
when he wants to be done. And Natalie's like, you

799
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:44,639
are so not the alpha, but I kind of am.

800
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,599
I kind of am, by the way, forgive me. Apparently

801
00:54:47,639 --> 00:54:50,519
the guy in the chat, or whoever it was who

802
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:53,559
said that I speak but say nothing, was well talking

803
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:55,880
about me. He was talking about Jordan Peterson, but I

804
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,320
didn't see the context because the chat was moving so quickly.

805
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:04,679
I'm almost disappointed. But yes, I agree, Jordan Peterson is

806
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,920
he speaks while saying nothing. But it's not the first

807
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,239
time someone has said that about me, So maybe I was.

808
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,840
Maybe I'm that's a sensitive nerve for me. Maybe I just,

809
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:19,960
you know, I'm just one man. I hear some people

810
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,199
say I sound like a preacher. Some people don't like

811
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,440
the fact that how do I say this? I mean,

812
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,840
you know, thirty five years in broadcasting in some way

813
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,360
I have a cadence about me that some people like,

814
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,079
and some people think sounds fake. They're like, he doesn't

815
00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:38,800
talk like that in real life, and he sounds like

816
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,679
he's performing, and I find him irritating and blah blah blah,

817
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:44,079
and so they go after me for style. They're not

818
00:55:44,159 --> 00:55:47,119
interested in what I'm saying. It's really more a preference

819
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,519
as to whether or not they like what I say

820
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:52,360
or the way I say what I say, or they

821
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:55,800
think I'm being disingenuous because I'm performing. He's just on stage,

822
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:59,440
you know, And that's fine. I mean, I don't think

823
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:03,159
you can be wrong for stating a preference. But the

824
00:56:03,199 --> 00:56:07,280
idea that while he's able to string sentences together, the

825
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,320
fact that he uses vowels and consonants and knows how

826
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:14,119
to narrate a story the minute, that becomes a problem too.

827
00:56:14,159 --> 00:56:18,800
I don't get that. I don't understand. We wish he

828
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:25,079
wasn't as polished as a speaker as he is, because

829
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,400
by communicating something clearly and professionally, he must be what.

830
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:33,239
I don't understand that criticism.

831
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 4: Do get it.

832
00:56:35,039 --> 00:56:39,079
Speaker 2: I do not get it. But if it's not your bag, totally,

833
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,079
plenty of channels out there. I do not take it personally.

834
00:56:42,159 --> 00:56:47,159
I really don't. Let's see, is it Victoria at eight

835
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:55,039
one seven? Yes, Hi, Victoria, we're talking about ghostly things

836
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,719
or something else, what do you want to talk about?

837
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:03,079
Speaker 6: I was just thinking, it's what's the difference between ghosts

838
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:04,360
and demons?

839
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:08,079
Speaker 2: Well, there are different types of ghosts, and a demon

840
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:12,400
is I don't think. I think a demon is a

841
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,760
fallen angel. And then the debate becomes our angels ghosts,

842
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,320
and I've never equated those two, And I think ghost,

843
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:26,280
I think a wraith. I think a poltergeist, the actual

844
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:30,239
spirits usually of the living that passed away and entered

845
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:34,480
the realm of the dead or some second or third plane.

846
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:40,079
But demons I see as fallen angels from heaven, agents

847
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:45,440
of the dark Lord himself, you know, Beelzebub, Satan. So

848
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:47,480
I see them as different. I don't know, how do

849
00:57:47,519 --> 00:57:49,679
you see them?

850
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:50,039
Speaker 4: Oh?

851
00:57:50,119 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, like the Christian definition. But it's like I'll think

852
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,239
about the different definitions from around the world, because every

853
00:57:55,239 --> 00:57:57,360
culture seems to have a version of demons, and then

854
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,840
I'll thinking about how I would quickly say, oh, yeah,

855
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:01,679
I don't believe in ghosts, but then there was a

856
00:58:01,679 --> 00:58:04,440
time when I ithentically believed in demons, and then I

857
00:58:04,519 --> 00:58:06,599
was there's really no difference to this.

858
00:58:07,639 --> 00:58:12,559
Speaker 2: I understand in that context. I get it spiritual beings

859
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,440
that roam this planet. You can't see them, measure them,

860
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:23,480
or really detect them unless some scenario opens up where

861
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,239
they touch your life in a physical way. Demons are

862
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:30,679
said to do that in a sinister way. So in

863
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,320
that context, I think you are right that you know,

864
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,920
in that specific way, I don't think there's any difference

865
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,320
between a spirit and a ghost. Yeah, and I buy that.

866
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 4: I don't know.

867
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 2: We'll see what everybody else says.

868
00:58:44,119 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 6: I say that now. But there was a time also

869
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:48,639
when I thought other people who believed in other types

870
00:58:48,679 --> 00:58:51,719
of versions of the same thing I guess were totally

871
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,400
in the wrong, and they were like, okay, to make

872
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:59,199
flint of in that sense, because well, it's hard to

873
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:02,840
explain that. I up with in a house where we

874
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:06,119
took care of elderly people that would often die within

875
00:59:06,119 --> 00:59:13,719
the rooms. So we had some help from especially Mexico,

876
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:20,320
some other some like there's some other countries too, but

877
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,320
they were very superstitious. And what I would do when

878
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,880
someone would die, Now I was being a complete ass,

879
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:33,679
but when someone would die, one of them she would go, uh,

880
00:59:34,239 --> 00:59:36,440
close the door because she thought believed she told us

881
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:39,519
that the spirit would escape or something. And I thought

882
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:41,119
that was kind of weird because she was a nice lady.

883
00:59:41,199 --> 00:59:42,920
What would what would it matter if she got out?

884
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:46,400
So I would always open the door after she closed it,

885
00:59:46,400 --> 00:59:48,000
and I would look around the corner and she would

886
00:59:48,039 --> 00:59:49,840
her eyes would just get really big, and she would

887
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:54,559
freak out and she would do something like some ritual,

888
00:59:54,679 --> 00:59:58,639
and then she'd go back and close the door, and

889
00:59:58,679 --> 01:00:00,280
then I would go open it when she left, but.

890
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 2: Myself that way. But ah, you naughty, naughty, prankstery, naughty.

891
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:13,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I was I believe, like what I was

892
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,840
taught about demons though, and I would be totally freaked

893
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:19,199
out by that. But then I would go ahead and

894
01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:22,119
do that. Now, if I visit someone else's country, I

895
01:00:22,119 --> 01:00:24,400
would be very respectful. And you know, if I visit

896
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,960
a Mosca where my I cover my head, take off

897
01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,800
my shoes. If I go to the Catholic church in

898
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,800
Mexico or whatever, I take.

899
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:35,199
Speaker 4: My hat off. Whatever.

900
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 6: It is the norm there and I don't know, but

901
01:00:39,039 --> 01:00:40,679
here it's harder.

902
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 4: I don't.

903
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, well I like it, you know, throw some

904
01:00:45,559 --> 01:00:49,599
cabinets open, creak some some drawers and cabinets, and and

905
01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:52,719
move some stuff around and then just leave and let

906
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:57,079
somebody else sort of a sign agency to it. That's

907
01:00:57,199 --> 01:01:01,519
kind of awesome. It's kind of awesome. So appreciate you

908
01:01:01,559 --> 01:01:02,960
calling me Victoria or anything else.

909
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 6: I'm still feel guilty about it though.

910
01:01:04,599 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't. It's all in fun.

911
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,320
It's all in fun, and it makes for a great story.

912
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:17,559
Appreciate you very much. Hang in there, Okay, thanks scare later. Okay,

913
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,639
there was someone who posted something that I wanted to

914
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:28,000
address there it is, all things considered said. I wish

915
01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:30,159
I wasn't phone shying. I'd love to call in and

916
01:01:30,199 --> 01:01:33,599
see Seth's take on adults talking about ghost I work

917
01:01:33,679 --> 01:01:36,239
with people who think my job's haunted, and I seem

918
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:40,440
like the asshole for not taking it what I would

919
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:42,920
enjoy like if I worked in a hospital that had

920
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,519
a you know, an old morgue in the bottom, I'd

921
01:01:45,519 --> 01:01:53,079
probably swap stories and go down there and scare myself.

922
01:01:53,199 --> 01:01:56,159
I couldn't talk myself into the idea that it was

923
01:01:56,199 --> 01:01:58,960
another worldly thing. I think at some point, don't you

924
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,400
and I get to the point where we understand so

925
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,400
much about the human brain, about the psychology of fear,

926
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,920
about patterns seeking, about confirmation bias, and seeing so many

927
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:14,719
ghost tales, so many legends debunked that that's even though

928
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,159
if we're ramped up and we have a strong heartbeat

929
01:02:18,199 --> 01:02:20,760
and we break into a sweat and we feel the

930
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:24,519
fight flight or freeze response kick in, our logical mind

931
01:02:24,639 --> 01:02:29,400
still knows that this is a response that is explainable,

932
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:35,679
and that's the explanation for whatever sound we just heard

933
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:40,840
in the corner. You know, Okham's raisers says, it's probably

934
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:46,039
not You know, someone who was in the freezer and

935
01:02:47,239 --> 01:02:52,199
got forgotten, and so his ghost exited the physical form,

936
01:02:52,280 --> 01:02:54,559
and then now he roams the halls and he just

937
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:58,719
does shit that ghosts do, which is what they move

938
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:03,800
coffee cups on her tops and they push wheelchairs down hall.

939
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:08,280
Have you ever noticed how mundane and banal the activity

940
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,519
of most apparitions, ghost spirits, etc. Are. Like if I

941
01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:15,119
was a ghost and you gave me the opportunity to

942
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:18,079
interact with the physical world, you think I'd be taking

943
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,599
portraits on the wall and cocking him in twenty five degrees?

944
01:03:22,039 --> 01:03:23,880
You think that was what? Is that what I'm going

945
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:28,599
to use my power for? Are you kidding me? You

946
01:03:28,639 --> 01:03:31,480
think I'm going to take a three foot section of

947
01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:35,480
a basement and make it twenty degrees golder. Is that

948
01:03:35,519 --> 01:03:38,280
what I'm going to use my power for. No, Dad,

949
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:45,920
He's going to have some fun, just saying. If I

950
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:52,360
was a spirit I would like to first of all,

951
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:56,559
I would like to arrive and give comfort to those

952
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:01,440
who I'd left behind in a palpable way. I'm okay,

953
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:06,960
I'm safe. I live on we given the fact that

954
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:10,079
there is posthumous existence. I will describe to you what

955
01:04:10,119 --> 01:04:13,000
this existence looks like. I will help you solve the mystery,

956
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,880
and I will assure you that one day we will

957
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:18,679
see each other again. Until then, live and be happy.

958
01:04:19,079 --> 01:04:21,400
I am fine. I would do that, and then I

959
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:26,840
would commit myself and my spiritual resources to jacking up

960
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:35,840
the lives of terrible people. Elon Musk would not be safe.

961
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:40,519
I would screw with that guy's mind. I would rearrange

962
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:44,400
the shit in his life like that. He would think

963
01:04:44,400 --> 01:04:47,599
he was going nuts. And we already think he may

964
01:04:47,639 --> 01:04:49,679
have some issues. Have you seen the videos where he's

965
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,880
high on ketamine and he's sitting at the press conference

966
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:58,920
and he looks like he just got off the tilta whirl? Wow? Ah,

967
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:10,000
Jack Donald try Trump, You're mine? Oh your mine, every

968
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:15,760
password gets changed, doors will not open when he has

969
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:21,760
to open them at public events. I would cause his

970
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:27,159
pants to fall down while speaking at the un He's

971
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:30,480
right there in his skivs, tidy white. He's oh, just

972
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:35,079
dumb shit like that, but just jack with his life,

973
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:39,280
and I would. I'd hope that being a spirit, I

974
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:41,880
don't know what I would time, would space time still

975
01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,559
exist or would I be able to see what was

976
01:05:44,639 --> 01:05:47,480
going to happen before it happened, Because then I could

977
01:05:47,480 --> 01:05:51,000
be an agent of prevention for harm done to people

978
01:05:51,199 --> 01:05:53,199
on this earth. And I would serty And now I

979
01:05:53,199 --> 01:05:56,960
could be like a police officer, an interventionist from the

980
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,760
spirit world. And I'd come back and I could actually

981
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:07,199
be like a superhero superhero all the people who are

982
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:17,920
trying to erase pride month Ah, I would have fun.

983
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:27,679
I would be most amused from the spirit world. Amusing

984
01:06:27,719 --> 01:06:30,159
myself is not something that is hard to do. I've

985
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:35,239
been told this also by my wife Seth. You laugh

986
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:37,599
at your own shit all the time. I kind of do.

987
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:42,400
I don't know if anybody else is laughing I amuse myself.

988
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,440
Maybe the bar is low. I've got seven five seven.

989
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,480
Thanks for your patience. Who's this.

990
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 5: My name is Alan.

991
01:06:52,320 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 2: How you doing today, Alan? I am in good spirits,

992
01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:58,400
so to speak. What's on your mind?

993
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:00,519
Speaker 4: Oh?

994
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:03,159
Speaker 5: We just started talking about old ghost tales and stuff

995
01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:07,639
like that. And I was a teenager in a little

996
01:07:07,639 --> 01:07:10,039
town just about twenty miles north of which a talk

997
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:13,719
called Newton. We used to get bored a lot when

998
01:07:13,719 --> 01:07:15,800
we were teenagers. Now a whole lot to do. So

999
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,760
we would like search abandoned houses and were one time

1000
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,599
came across a sunken graveyard and we loved going there

1001
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:27,320
because it was kind of hard to fand and you know,

1002
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,719
we can hang out. But one time we decided to

1003
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:33,840
take a ouiji board up there, and you know, scar

1004
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,960
getting a little creepy and everything like that, and I

1005
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:37,840
out of know where one of those headstones fell.

1006
01:07:38,039 --> 01:07:39,039
Speaker 2: Boom wow.

1007
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:43,039
Speaker 5: We went through them woods, ripping through woods and get

1008
01:07:43,079 --> 01:07:46,360
back to our cars. Man, it scared every single one

1009
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:50,400
of us. But you know, growing up, you know, of

1010
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:53,159
course I scared me at that. But I still don't

1011
01:07:53,199 --> 01:07:56,239
have that fear or anything like that, because I just

1012
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,320
think of too many people like you just were kind

1013
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,639
of bringing up. Man, that'd be too much many people

1014
01:08:00,719 --> 01:08:04,719
haunting people, whether it be practical jokes or just pure evil,

1015
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:09,639
you know, it's just yeah. So I mean now I

1016
01:08:09,719 --> 01:08:11,719
realize that you know that they probably would have failed

1017
01:08:11,719 --> 01:08:14,199
where we were there or not, and it just happened

1018
01:08:14,199 --> 01:08:18,439
to be we were messing around the wrong time. And yeah,

1019
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:20,079
but it scared me for a little while.

1020
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 2: What kind of things. I don't mean to put you

1021
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:25,479
on the spot, but I will. If you were a

1022
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:28,520
ghost and you could come back, what kind of stuff

1023
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:29,359
would you be doing?

1024
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:35,039
Speaker 5: It really depends. I mean, because there's certain people, like

1025
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:37,520
you said, it's sure that you're like if you could

1026
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,720
help them out, like help their car keys in the

1027
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:42,479
morning and stuff, because you know that you probably used

1028
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,600
to doing that. That might be beneficial.

1029
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:48,399
Speaker 2: Ye oh, that's so good. That's so good.

1030
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,560
Speaker 5: But like April Fool's Day, April Fool's Day, I still

1031
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:54,199
want to do something to know. Oh, that's all a gun,

1032
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:54,720
you know.

1033
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:59,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. I mean, you're an agent of help

1034
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,720
and in a time of need, where are my keys?

1035
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:04,880
And all of a sudden they levitate and float out

1036
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,960
from behind the couch, and you have now served the

1037
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:13,159
living from the world of the dead. That's cool. Well,

1038
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:15,960
I think you know, I would love to be in

1039
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,520
a graveyard when somebody was doing a ghost tour. I

1040
01:09:18,560 --> 01:09:21,279
would love to be in a scary place. Am I

1041
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:25,119
above taking like a small piece of metal I found

1042
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:28,079
in the corner and throwing it down the hallway when

1043
01:09:28,119 --> 01:09:30,800
nobody was looking, and then running to a hiding spot

1044
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,079
to watch everybody say that it was the ghost of

1045
01:09:34,119 --> 01:09:38,039
someone who had been executed in the electric chair or

1046
01:09:38,079 --> 01:09:40,560
something like that. Would I do that? I'm not above it.

1047
01:09:41,039 --> 01:09:42,680
I'm not above it. So I kind of liked what

1048
01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:43,960
you did. That's awesome.

1049
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:48,239
Speaker 5: Oh and absolutely, And it's still like another reason that

1050
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:51,359
Hesto Kunda felt as could have been someone you know, like, oh,

1051
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:52,920
this would be a good time to just kind of

1052
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,039
push this over. It looks like it's about the fall

1053
01:09:55,079 --> 01:09:58,000
over anyway. I mean heard of it was out there.

1054
01:09:58,159 --> 01:10:00,880
Someone could have had that thought in now, I was

1055
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,640
telling the other side of the story, going, oh, I

1056
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,840
scared the heck out all you dudes one time.

1057
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 4: You know.

1058
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:09,520
Speaker 2: Now, the downside is is that we are encouraging people

1059
01:10:09,560 --> 01:10:11,800
to believe in the things that we're spending the rest

1060
01:10:11,840 --> 01:10:14,640
of our lives trying to debunk. So I'm trying to

1061
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:18,039
get people to realize that there's no evidence for spirits

1062
01:10:18,079 --> 01:10:20,600
and whatnot. So I guess if I was throwing shit

1063
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:26,399
down sanitarium hallways or whatever, that I would be encouraging.

1064
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:29,119
Maybe at what I was doing was counterproductive, but the

1065
01:10:29,159 --> 01:10:31,880
prankster in me, and I'm not rough prankster in most senses,

1066
01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,680
but in this one I might be. It would be tempting.

1067
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,119
So I appreciate you sharing your story. Was there anything

1068
01:10:37,119 --> 01:10:38,600
else you wanted to share with us today?

1069
01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 5: No, I just pretty much agree with you. It would

1070
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,399
be I mean, I can't understand what you're saying, but

1071
01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,439
it kind of just plays on the whole thing as

1072
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:51,000
a general idea of how crazy it is. Anyway, Yeah,

1073
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:52,800
it's kind of fun sometimes to play on that.

1074
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:57,279
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're also it's a great conversation. Thanks for

1075
01:10:57,319 --> 01:10:58,640
having it with me. We'll see you later.

1076
01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1077
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:06,319
Speaker 2: Juliet in the chat said I would haunt so many

1078
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:11,359
Sunday services tempting. The problem is is that we would

1079
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:16,039
be reinforcing in the minds of believers in the spiritual

1080
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:24,039
that the spiritual was real. But how tempting would that be.

1081
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:32,119
Everybody's there and they're singing their songs. God have wondered,

1082
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,039
and all of a sudden, the cross detaches from the

1083
01:11:37,079 --> 01:11:41,720
wall and it floats around the room, goes up to

1084
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:52,520
the ceiling. You the offering plates lift up off of

1085
01:11:52,560 --> 01:12:03,119
the table and get thrown into the baptismal. The wind

1086
01:12:03,159 --> 01:12:07,640
filtrate the church audio visual system. So as everybody has

1087
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,640
those sort of you know how they do when they

1088
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:13,279
do worship songs. They've got the sunset and the field,

1089
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:16,079
and they've got the clouds, and they've got all of

1090
01:12:16,119 --> 01:12:21,119
these really generic bullshit ethereal type things with the words underneath,

1091
01:12:21,159 --> 01:12:25,439
and you just jack with it systatic, and then you know,

1092
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:27,880
vocally over the sound system, it's like.

1093
01:12:28,279 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 3: I must find a new host body.

1094
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:39,119
Speaker 2: I would do that.

1095
01:12:44,039 --> 01:12:47,359
Speaker 3: Your pastor is sleeping with the receptionist.

1096
01:12:55,319 --> 01:13:03,079
Speaker 2: Other is God. Your way is like you could do

1097
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:05,520
any any number of things.

1098
01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:12,560
Speaker 3: Turned to page one hundred and three in your I would.

1099
01:13:12,359 --> 01:13:19,159
Speaker 2: Do that kind of stuff. Uh, what time is that?

1100
01:13:19,239 --> 01:13:21,920
All right, let's call it a day. You are amazing.

1101
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,079
I appreciate your paisance with me. I've been all over

1102
01:13:24,119 --> 01:13:26,600
the place today, but it's always fun to hang out.

1103
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,640
So and I may release part of this as an

1104
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,159
audio podcast, a bonus show. You think people would want

1105
01:13:33,199 --> 01:13:35,520
to listen to it? Not too much of what we

1106
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:37,840
did is I think limited to the visual, so maybe

1107
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:41,840
the audio podcasters, but enjoy something extra later on this week.

1108
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:45,479
But in the meantime, you are amazing. You keep me going.

1109
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,319
Hopefully this channel helps to keep you going. And if

1110
01:13:48,319 --> 01:13:52,399
you see a spirit or a ghost out there and

1111
01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:55,800
you have tools to properly measure it, if we can

1112
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,920
get some peer review, have your people cool my people,

1113
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:01,479
and we'll talk.

1114
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:05,560
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