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Speaker 2: Symphony, Angels who whisper their wings brush the void, faithful
Speaker 2: and fraction truth destroy religion's thread waves through the devil,
Speaker 2: and madness dances on the border.
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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to another episode of Deplorable Nation.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Deplorable Jane, and today, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: my returning bestI from the West, Miss Heidi. How are you, beautiful.
Speaker 4: Darling, wonderful, my best friend. I'm so excited to talk
Speaker 4: to you again. We get a chat. You know, we
Speaker 4: do our therapy before we go live.
Speaker 1: You guys, g're all.
Speaker 4: Going to shoot me.
Speaker 1: Just a therapy is a good thing to go along
Speaker 1: with today's topic. It's very fitting for the best of
Speaker 1: holiday season. Today we are going to talk about angelic
Speaker 1: visitation psychosis. So is it really divine intervention or is
Speaker 1: it really psychosis? And there's some differentiations between the two.
Speaker 1: And I will share a personal story about somebody that
Speaker 1: I know later on in the show.
Speaker 4: And I happen to know a guy that saw an
Speaker 4: angel and then they put it on top of every temple,
Speaker 4: you know, just kind of raised in it. Hey not alone,
Speaker 4: and that's what we'll talk about today. He's not the
Speaker 4: only one.
Speaker 1: He is not. He is not. So this isn't a
Speaker 1: quote unquote formal diagnosis or not formal medical diagnosis per se.
Speaker 1: It's more of like a clinical pattern. And it does
Speaker 1: fit in the mental health realm because they have made
Speaker 1: a lot of updates to their diagnosing handbook, right, So
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting. It could be uh people
Speaker 1: can see heavenly beings or define missions or you know,
Speaker 1: all of those kind of things. So those can all
Speaker 1: be part of this that we're going to get into.
Speaker 1: And so it's going to be a very interesting, uh
Speaker 1: little discussion.
Speaker 4: Awesome, Well, I did get some fun little pictures. I
Speaker 4: put him up there. Hopefully that one's not too dark,
Speaker 4: but we shall accompany.
Speaker 1: That personally on the table.
Speaker 4: Well he's not, but it kind of.
Speaker 1: So weird, like the head disappeared that row and I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's a really weird I think, sure.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's got a hood on and his head slumped forward.
Speaker 4: But it's a lot darker than it was on the freakin'.
Speaker 1: That's why I was like, that person has no head.
Speaker 4: Here, we'll do this angel, this is better.
Speaker 1: That's a little more colorful.
Speaker 4: I can go naked booties and everything.
Speaker 1: There you are, So what people call angelic visitation psychosis.
Speaker 1: People sometimes believe that not only are angels speaking to them,
Speaker 1: but giving them commands or warnings or some kind of
Speaker 1: mission they got to carry out. Sometimes they see or
Speaker 1: hear them, and so it's kind of one of those
Speaker 1: almost like a psychic thing where you can see and
Speaker 1: hear them, but other people around you cannot, And they
Speaker 1: oftentimes feel like they're the chosen one. So they feel
Speaker 1: special or uniquely protected by some kind of supernatural presence.
Speaker 1: Which if you feel chosen or special, think about the
Speaker 1: previous series that we have done and how people can
Speaker 1: use that to manipulate others.
Speaker 4: So like j Justph Smith, Oh he's.
Speaker 1: Oh an angel.
Speaker 4: I had to throw him in sleep.
Speaker 1: So some people that go through this, like they get
Speaker 1: a sense of euphoria. Some people get terror or like
Speaker 1: a mystical intensity kind of connection to these perceptions that
Speaker 1: they believe were happening to them, and some people have
Speaker 1: a lot of difficulty distinguishing between actual reality and and
Speaker 1: these psychotic episodes.
Speaker 4: It would be scary, I mean to think about it,
Speaker 4: like I get it. I mean, even in Joseph Smith's case,
Speaker 4: where I joke around, he had a really traumatic thing
Speaker 4: medically happened to him when he was little, So it
Speaker 4: kind of makes sense, you know, did he disassociate and
Speaker 4: then that became his protect you know, his protector.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the things that we're definitely going
Speaker 1: to get into with this diagnosis because there are certain
Speaker 1: things that lend themselves more to the psychosis part. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: actual uh, spiritual awakenings and stuff do happen, So there's
Speaker 1: a big differentiation between what is the psychosis and what's
Speaker 1: what's not psychosis. So when it crosses the line from
Speaker 1: like a spiritual awakening into psychosis, people have number one,
Speaker 1: a loss of reality and so they cannot consider any
Speaker 1: other interpretations or questioning of beliefs or anything like that.
Speaker 1: They're very rigid and staunch on what it is that
Speaker 1: they believe, and it's absolute for them, like there's no doubt,
Speaker 1: no question. Sound familiar, Oh yeah, oh yeah, goes hand
Speaker 1: in hand with some other people that have psychosis these days.
Speaker 1: Although it's not angelic, I would say it's demonic psychosis.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean in his case as well, my personal opinion,
Speaker 4: I feel it was more than psychosis. It was a
Speaker 4: lot of conjuring. So of course we'll get into that,
Speaker 4: but you know, we have to have a way to
Speaker 4: show this medically too, because it is a medical phenomenon.
Speaker 1: Right one percent. So well with the psychosis part, not
Speaker 1: only do they lose touch with reality, but a lot
Speaker 1: of times they'll have functional impairments with it, and so
Speaker 1: they'll have trouble sleeping, They neglect responsibilities, so they get lazy,
Speaker 1: they get dangerous because they will say a lot of
Speaker 1: times that you know, X, Y and Z angel told
Speaker 1: me to you know, do harm to other people or something.
Speaker 1: There have been serial killers that have said that. There
Speaker 1: have been cult people who have carried out killings and
Speaker 1: stuff in the name of you know, an angel or Messiah, prophet,
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call.
Speaker 4: More more killings than most anything else, right over, stuff
Speaker 4: like thundered I do like the serial killer guy, the dog,
Speaker 4: the Sam, the son of Sam. It was an angel,
Speaker 4: It was a dog, but I get it. I love
Speaker 4: my dog too, but that was a scary dog apparently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, towns of Hell maybe, I know.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 1: So a lot of times along with the psychosis portion
Speaker 1: of this, they get command hallucinations, and that's when the
Speaker 1: angel is instructing them to tell you or to do things,
Speaker 1: or even really risky behavior, not just you know, dangerous,
Speaker 1: but something that's very risky, like run in front of
Speaker 1: a bus or you know whatever. And sometimes they even
Speaker 1: have co occurring symptoms with other things like paranoias, schizophrenia,
Speaker 1: disorganized thoughts, delusions are grandeur like I'm the new prophet,
Speaker 1: I'm here to save humanity type stuff, and severe mood
Speaker 1: things like mania's depressions and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you the ones that have the god complex. Wow,
Speaker 4: that was fun. The ones that have the god complex,
Speaker 4: that have the real like it's real, they're actually either
Speaker 4: really fun, they're actually pretty dang funny, or they're terrifying.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's scary sometimes.
Speaker 1: So things that can trigger the psychotic angelic visitation psychosis
Speaker 1: part anything that is biological, physiological, and spiritual, and sometimes
Speaker 1: they overlap with each other. And so if you have
Speaker 1: manic episodes if you're bipolar and you have any of
Speaker 1: the other previous things that we just named, or schizophrenic
Speaker 1: schizophrenic effective disorder, extreme trauma, and people that experience a
Speaker 1: lot of the angelic visitation psychosis have had severe, severe
Speaker 1: childhood trauma. Yes, it can happen in adults as well,
Speaker 1: but it's very it's very common to start in childhood.
Speaker 4: And this can be medical trauma.
Speaker 1: You guys like this is one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: So for people that don't know. Joseph Smith when he
Speaker 4: was young, he got typhoid fever which settled in his
Speaker 4: leg and he ended up actually having a big boil
Speaker 4: lanced and it went systemic and he was super sick.
Speaker 4: They should have cut his leg off.
Speaker 1: He had a full.
Speaker 4: Blown through his whole system an infection secondary because they
Speaker 4: didn't catch the big puss ball under his armpit after
Speaker 4: the typhoid and do it quick enough, and then it
Speaker 4: got too big and then his mom actually saved his legs.
Speaker 4: So she says, I don't know lots of stories around that,
Speaker 4: but nevertheless, one of the first people where they didn't
Speaker 4: cut the leg off and they cut instead while he's awake,
Speaker 4: wouldn't take any alcohol, so they say, I think he
Speaker 4: was maybe seven or eight when this happened, and cutting
Speaker 4: out the infected bone from osteomyolitis, and it was over
Speaker 4: and over again. She said there were quarts of puss
Speaker 4: coming out of his leg.
Speaker 1: Oh yulled me delightful. Anybody cream sauce anyone, right?
Speaker 4: Exactly? It was bad enough the mom kind of had
Speaker 4: a breakdown, So I'm saying it was traumatic.
Speaker 1: But now, I like, I like gross stuff, so I
Speaker 1: would have been like, ooh, that is fascinating to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then holding him, I mean, I can't even
Speaker 4: imagine the mom had to leave, the dad had to
Speaker 4: take over. But and I do feel bad for that one,
Speaker 4: for him, Like I get it, you know, as somebody
Speaker 4: that had a medical childhood trauma with my foot, I
Speaker 4: get it. But also like Broy, yeah, it didn't just
Speaker 4: come to him, Like these people didn't ask for this,
Speaker 4: right conjured, Yeah, right.
Speaker 1: That happens. That happens sometimes. So along with you know,
Speaker 1: the insomnia sleep deprivation, a sensory deprivation can also. So
Speaker 1: if you've had any kind of trauma that includes any
Speaker 1: kind of sensory deprivation, like you were held in captivity,
Speaker 1: in the dark or anything like that. That also plays
Speaker 1: a big factor in this because it changes your your
Speaker 1: perception of things. And of course psychedelics and other substances
Speaker 1: the people tend to abuse, So that can include cybercillin,
Speaker 1: so you know happy mushrooms, LSB CLO and kaoltr that
Speaker 1: it cannabinoids, which you and I did a whole show
Speaker 1: on those.
Speaker 4: That.
Speaker 1: Then fhetamine use goes who that changes your brain chemistry
Speaker 1: and you will lose your teeth mm hmm. And so
Speaker 1: a lot of these things, especially in copious amounts, even
Speaker 1: with the marijuana, can cause your brain chemistry to be
Speaker 1: very messed up. And so you could be on a
Speaker 1: trip thinking you're talking to angels when you're not really.
Speaker 4: But remember another thing, you could have. The whole reason
Speaker 4: why you know, acid didn't take off from mk ultra
Speaker 4: is because some people had a good time some people time.
Speaker 1: Some people instead of seeing angels, they see quite the opposite.
Speaker 1: They see some stuff like this, who yeah and uh yeah.
Speaker 1: That For me, that's one of the reasons why, like
Speaker 1: I never want to experience like an ayahuasca journey or
Speaker 1: anything like that, because I don't want to let any
Speaker 1: of that stuff in my life.
Speaker 4: No, I agree, one hundred percent. And I just think
Speaker 4: it is what. You know, if you want to learn
Speaker 4: about these things, you kind of got to go to
Speaker 4: the people messing with this stuff, which is occultist and
Speaker 4: Steiner talks about it, Crawley talks about it. All these
Speaker 4: people talk about, you know, these other realms, and I fully,
Speaker 4: I fully think that I am a realm person. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, look, you want to cross over that, okay,
Speaker 4: but here's the deal. You noted them, then back with you,
Speaker 4: they notice you, And I truly believe.
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's why, Like, I
Speaker 1: have no desire to have anything like that follow me
Speaker 1: back from any kind of trip. Sorry, Nope, not worth it.
Speaker 1: Life is scary enough without that. Yeah, that's the extra help.
Speaker 1: So also included in the in the psychosis part has
Speaker 1: to do with a lot of cultural and spiritual conditioning,
Speaker 1: which a lot of times set the framework for that,
Speaker 1: especially if you are in a cultish setting or very
Speaker 1: controlled setting, kind of like we talked about with ed
Speaker 1: ed Gain, where it's like beaten into you this this
Speaker 1: and this, and so I can relate those things or
Speaker 1: realities and change what your perception.
Speaker 4: Is well, and people always say to me, how did
Speaker 4: you not know this? Or how did you not know?
Speaker 4: Or that's so stupid, why would you ever think that. Remember,
Speaker 4: when you're in a well, you're the only one that
Speaker 4: doesn't really know you're in.
Speaker 1: A cult, and you don't really know that you are
Speaker 1: until you're not any longer.
Speaker 4: Right, And so everybody there is quite the same, and
Speaker 4: generationally this is just what they did.
Speaker 1: So the thing that I find interesting about like traumas,
Speaker 1: whether it be emotional trauma, physical trauma, medical trauma, that
Speaker 1: can shape and have these kind of influences on psychosis
Speaker 1: of this kind is that because the psyche feels so overwhelmed,
Speaker 1: the first thing it does is try to provide protection
Speaker 1: and safety mechanism. It's kind of like a coping mechanism,
Speaker 1: but your body automatically turns that on. And that's why
Speaker 1: a lot of the psychosis is revealed in something like
Speaker 1: an angelic vision. Now it can be demonic as well,
Speaker 1: but generally it's something soft like angels or profits or
Speaker 1: divine missions or you know, things like that, or kind
Speaker 1: of like a savior complex, like you're meant me saving
Speaker 1: the world from any kind of dark and evil forces
Speaker 1: or things in that nature.
Speaker 4: So and they can get even to the point where
Speaker 4: they're like self sacrificing, like oh absolutely, yeah, it's wild.
Speaker 1: And so you know, because that our body actually turns
Speaker 1: on that safety mechanism for us, it provides us with
Speaker 1: the sense of not just safety, but structure and meaning
Speaker 1: in a way to externalize what's going on internally, the
Speaker 1: chaos that goes on internally. And so you know, that's
Speaker 1: why a lot of times they turn into religious themes
Speaker 1: and the body just naturally does that, which I find
Speaker 1: fascinating that we have the ability that our body just
Speaker 1: automatically turns on that safety mode. It's like, hey, Janet,
Speaker 1: there's an angel, let's talk to you.
Speaker 4: Well, and I definitely think God can send people, you know,
Speaker 4: but they don't come when you conjured. They don't come
Speaker 4: when you ask, like it's opposite. They do what God
Speaker 4: says only. And so you know, some of these people legit.
Speaker 4: I mean, when we went into this, I was like,
Speaker 4: I believe some of these people, but like also some
Speaker 4: of them didn't get what they asked for.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, well that goes along with the story that
Speaker 1: I got to tell you later, So it's a what's
Speaker 1: a doozy one, it's a woozy. So on the spiritual
Speaker 1: side of things, you know, a lot of different cultures,
Speaker 1: not just in the United States, but Indian cultures and
Speaker 1: all around the world experience these kind of things and
Speaker 1: so they can see them as visions, altered states of consciousness,
Speaker 1: mystical encounters, ancestral contact through loved ones that have passed on,
Speaker 1: angels or celestial beings, things like that. And it's in
Speaker 1: a lot of cultures, like you know, Indian cultures and stuff.
Speaker 1: It's a way of grounding the people and it makes
Speaker 1: functionality normal for them. And so anytime they can like
Speaker 1: internalize things that are going on around them, it helps
Speaker 1: them make sense of stuff.
Speaker 4: I do want to say to people Crowley's quote, and
Speaker 4: it's not word for word, I can just summarize what
Speaker 4: he said is Yes, most of the people that say
Speaker 4: these kinds of things, like about speaking to things from
Speaker 4: the other side or whatever, are lying. Some are psychotic,
Speaker 4: and the last one is the worst one because they're
Speaker 4: real and it's not who you think it is, and
Speaker 4: it is the shell of like your aunt Bessie, whoever
Speaker 4: you think that is. That they are creating to make
Speaker 4: you feel, you know, like it's okay, which is why
Speaker 4: they call him familiar spirits. But this is from an
Speaker 4: occultist who said he was afraid of it. I want
Speaker 4: to heed that warning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and what did they do? I mean, what is
Speaker 1: the what does Satan do? What do his married band
Speaker 1: of demons? Do? They rist things? Right? And so what
Speaker 1: easier way to manipulate you into doing what they want
Speaker 1: than to use a loved one and they know every place?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, one hundred percent. So the difference is
Speaker 1: here with this true spiritual awakening which does happen to believers,
Speaker 1: versus psychosis in the spiritual awakening, which is the normal one, okay,
Speaker 1: and this is not where people are crazy and psychotic.
Speaker 4: On this.
Speaker 1: They can integrate, you know, and and grow. So they
Speaker 1: get this message or feeling or something like that, and
Speaker 1: so they use it to better their lives or better
Speaker 1: the lives of the people around them and stuff. But
Speaker 1: they're still quite aware of their reality their surroundings, and
Speaker 1: they use whatever message to internalize and make things better,
Speaker 1: so they feel still very grounded. The person can still
Speaker 1: you know, reflect on things and interpret things, and they're
Speaker 1: not like one thousand percent staunch in their beliefs and
Speaker 1: nothing else could be true. Their lives get more organized
Speaker 1: and meaningful and purposeful. And I will tell you, if
Speaker 1: you have a spiritual awakening and you don't feel like
Speaker 1: serving other people, then I would say you're probably having
Speaker 1: more of the psychosis type if it hasn't changed your
Speaker 1: heart whatsoever.
Speaker 4: Right, And you shouldn't feel you should feel led without
Speaker 4: feeling crazy, like without feeling like, oh my gosh, I'm
Speaker 4: going to be struck down right this minute, Like I don't. Right,
Speaker 4: that's part of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And God doesn't instill us with the heart of fear,
Speaker 1: And so if you're feeling that way, that's probably not
Speaker 1: a light force that's that's attached to you.
Speaker 4: Just say I liked this one, even though we're talking
Speaker 4: about not being crazy, just because I sort of I
Speaker 4: can relate, right, Like, being considered crazy by those who
Speaker 4: are still victims of cultural conditioning is a compliment. And
Speaker 4: that doesn't mean you're batshit crazy, Okay, It means other
Speaker 4: people do not align with you, like me leaving Mormonism
Speaker 4: or Janet not having like a specific church thing. We're
Speaker 4: doing our own thing, you know.
Speaker 1: I'll here. Yeah, one hundred percent. And it should always
Speaker 1: be about your personal relationship, not a physical building.
Speaker 4: No. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 4: And like she said, you should be in service of others.
Speaker 4: You should have a heart for God. That's what that's all. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's that's one of the things that comes
Speaker 1: along with this, because the next thing that happens during
Speaker 1: an awakening is you actually get empathy for other people
Speaker 1: and more understanding and a of stability and knowing your
Speaker 1: path and knowing your purpose. So you're gonna feel more guided.
Speaker 1: You feel like you've grown or expanded your knowledge. You
Speaker 1: have control over your choices instead of being led to
Speaker 1: do bad things. Okay, okay, I think I swallowed a
Speaker 1: cat here.
Speaker 4: Okay. I was getting worried because I can't see you.
Speaker 4: I was like, are you okay?
Speaker 1: I was gagging. Okay. So moving into and away from
Speaker 1: the spiritual awakening and the real, you know, normalcy of that,
Speaker 1: now we flip to the psychosis side. So this is
Speaker 1: when you your identity, your thoughts, and your perceptions completely
Speaker 1: fracture reality. Your beliefs are absolute, there's no room for questioning.
Speaker 1: Like some people on social media these days, you have racing,
Speaker 1: chaotic thoughts, lots of paranora, paranoia and fear tends to
Speaker 1: dominate your brain, and so you're constantly what if, what if?
Speaker 1: What if? Does this person not like me? I think
Speaker 1: they don't like me, and you know all the things
Speaker 1: that we go through.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they don't like me, but I did it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people don't like me either, and that is okay,
Speaker 1: because that just means I'm not meant for you.
Speaker 4: Boo. Yeah, we're not for everyone.
Speaker 1: Yet take me with the glass of sugar. It'll be better.
Speaker 1: So people like this become very disconnected and they withdraw,
Speaker 1: they mist trust everyone, and they have a complete collapse
Speaker 1: of any kind of functionality. So these are the people
Speaker 1: where literally everything is going wrong in their life and
Speaker 1: they're constantly in turmoil or chaos or you know, all
Speaker 1: of those things, and so they feel very commanded or
Speaker 1: controlled or led to do like these terrific, horrible things.
Speaker 1: They're always overwhelmed, they're always scared. They can't form rational
Speaker 1: thoughts and creative thought processes are gone. They lose the
Speaker 1: ability to choose, and so they always have to have
Speaker 1: somebody choose for them when they're not withdrawn, like they
Speaker 1: expect a therapist to tell them what to do or
Speaker 1: somebody else to tell them what to do because they
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. And so because of all
Speaker 1: these different things, it's literally like living in a chaotic storm.
Speaker 1: They always feel unsafe and like they can't manage their
Speaker 1: own life. So imagine living like that. And how many
Speaker 1: people do you know that live like that? Maybe they
Speaker 1: don't have angelic visitation, psychosis, but they literally have all
Speaker 1: of those things.
Speaker 4: That's not a good yep. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: I get it, like I've been through a lot of things,
Speaker 4: but you you know, you can choose. Yes, our body
Speaker 4: keeps score and I do one hundred percent believe that.
Speaker 4: But I also believe we can through prayer, through you know,
Speaker 4: like working through things like journaling, like safe things like not.
Speaker 4: We're not going to go start our own colony and
Speaker 4: get fifty seven wives. Yeah No, I mean now we
Speaker 4: may never they want not the answer.
Speaker 1: We may start our own colony just friends, but we're
Speaker 1: not going to tell each other what to do, emboss
Speaker 1: each other around and all that crazy business.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 1: No, So the the key takeaway of the you know,
Speaker 1: awakening versus psychosis, Awakening gives you more insight into your
Speaker 1: life and who you are as a person and what
Speaker 1: path you're supposed to be following, and psychosis removes all
Speaker 1: of that and brings in all the chaos.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I have this one picture downloaded. I'm going
Speaker 4: to try and find it. There's a really good one
Speaker 4: that I found with it.
Speaker 1: But of course, so uh neurolog neurology of mystical visions,
Speaker 1: So this has something to do with your brain, right,
Speaker 1: And so they have found that whether it's the real
Speaker 1: version or the psychosis version, the temporal lobe is always
Speaker 1: involved in your brain because the temporal lobe resil regulates hearing,
Speaker 1: so hearing voices, spiritual symbolism, feeling of presence, and visionary states.
Speaker 1: So if you have or have had, or know someone
Speaker 1: who has had temporal lobe epilepsy that seizures of the
Speaker 1: temporal lobe and some other brain injuries, they those patients
Speaker 1: will tell you that they have had profound and vivid
Speaker 1: religious experiences.
Speaker 4: Which is why it's all the rage to go and
Speaker 4: have you know these ayahuasca or you know, different trips
Speaker 4: k you know special k different weird things. But and
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say, look, I know this is
Speaker 4: really personal to some people and really almost religious right experience,
Speaker 4: I guess, right, But a couple of things. First of all,
Speaker 4: I do believe that they should be guided through that. Yep.
Speaker 4: I do believe. It also opens you up for all
Speaker 4: kinds of things no matter what you do. I just
Speaker 4: don't think that you can be protected in a realm
Speaker 4: you do not belong. You do belong there, you know.
Speaker 4: And occultists will tell you this. I mean they'll tell
Speaker 4: you like, we don't even we can't even judge from
Speaker 4: one time to the next if it's going to be
Speaker 4: the same right one.
Speaker 1: And think about think about the people who literally go
Speaker 1: to like ayahuasca ceremonies, like and they've been like twenty thirty,
Speaker 1: forty times or whatever. You're literally supposed to keep that
Speaker 1: at a bare minimum, right, And what is the point
Speaker 1: of repeated visits, Because if you haven't grown or learned,
Speaker 1: then you're literally addicted. You're ad to the process. Wow, drugs,
Speaker 1: but addicted to the process.
Speaker 4: It's gonna make you feel I mean, obviously it's gonna
Speaker 4: make you feel some kind of way. And yes, you're
Speaker 4: going to get this great relief. And yes, I mean
Speaker 4: like I get it, like I get all of that.
Speaker 4: But like also, then you return to real life and
Speaker 4: there's that let down you're going to have that. It's
Speaker 4: just like going on vacation.
Speaker 1: You know, one hundred percent you got to return and
Speaker 1: then things don't get better until you change your life
Speaker 1: and make them better. Yes, and so it's no different
Speaker 1: than prescription drugs. They're not affix their band aid.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: So, so along with the brain and the temporal lobe activity,
Speaker 1: we also have dopamine that is involved. And sometimes during
Speaker 1: these instances, dopamine can get a little hyper right, get
Speaker 1: a little get a little overactive, and that's what causes
Speaker 1: a lot of people to have psychosis or manias or
Speaker 1: even stimulant intoxication can cause this to happen. And so
Speaker 1: when you're overloaded on dopamine, everything has a sign, everything
Speaker 1: has a meaning. Everything is so deep. Wonder why that
Speaker 1: seems to be the case in ayahuasca ceremonies, right, And
Speaker 1: you have this grandiosity of opinion of yourself and you
Speaker 1: know everything is divine, and you have all these missions
Speaker 1: that you're supposed to compete or complete, and you get
Speaker 1: these auditory messages and hallucinations and stuff. And that's literally
Speaker 1: because your brain is an overdrive from the dopamine.
Speaker 4: Real having people.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. So you also have where you get a
Speaker 1: default mode of the network suppression in your brain. And
Speaker 1: so sometimes these happen during like deep meditations, cybacillin or
Speaker 1: LSD use near death experiences that happens as well, and
Speaker 1: so it provides like a unity of your consciousness and
Speaker 1: again the visions and a dissolution of your ego and
Speaker 1: contact with beings whether they be angelic, ancestral, or geometric,
Speaker 1: which I find to be highly interesting and sometimes.
Speaker 4: You Yeah, that happens a lot, which is crazy, I.
Speaker 1: Was going to say, And it's very strange. If you
Speaker 1: talk to people that have had near death experiences, the
Speaker 1: things that they will describe to you, yes, of and
Speaker 1: some of them are uber, uber, uber colorful. So you
Speaker 1: also have r E m intrusion. That's your rapid eye
Speaker 1: movement stage of your sleep, which is the reparative and
Speaker 1: the restorative. So if you're not getting to that r
Speaker 1: EM stage of sleep every night and you have sleep deprivation,
Speaker 1: especially over long periods of time, it builds up and
Speaker 1: builds up, and so people will have dreams while they're
Speaker 1: awake and they'll see whether it's vivid beings or divine guidance.
Speaker 1: They'll see shadow figures. Mmm, that's unds familiar in the
Speaker 1: podcast world, out body sensations, same kind of thing, and
Speaker 1: that also goes along with sleep paralysis and feeling like
Speaker 1: you're being held down, feeling like you're being attacked, because again,
Speaker 1: your dopamine is messed up as well, So when you're
Speaker 1: sleep deprived, your body's not healing, so all the toxins
Speaker 1: and all the stuff is whirling around like a tornado
Speaker 1: in your body. And that is just a storm for
Speaker 1: all kinds of things to happen.
Speaker 4: Sleep deprivation is obviously very critical, or they wouldn't use
Speaker 4: it in torture. So yeah, guy's got to sleep.
Speaker 1: So historical and religious examples that happened, of course, there
Speaker 1: were the Christian mystics, and so there was Saint Teresa
Speaker 1: of Avila, Hildegarde of Benjon Joan of Arc was considered
Speaker 1: to be one of them, and it said that their
Speaker 1: visions may have included migraine seizures, fasting, which I could
Speaker 1: see the fasting because back in those days there was
Speaker 1: a whole lot of food trauma, which I can see
Speaker 1: that happening as well, and sleep deprivation. Yet the experiences
Speaker 1: were integrated and purposeful, so there wasn't really psychosis on
Speaker 1: their part. It was actually the real thing, the awakenings, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so m we kind of talked about this a little
Speaker 1: before the show. Islamic mystics, and yes, a lot of
Speaker 1: things religions and belief systems are very very closely related.
Speaker 1: And so the Sufi traditions emphasize visions and divine communication,
Speaker 1: and so they would actually do this by chanting, fasting
Speaker 1: and rhythmic breathing and kind of bringing these things on themselves,
Speaker 1: which I'm not a fan of manifesting at all, just
Speaker 1: not And so what are they bringing in?
Speaker 4: Fascinating? If people want to deep dive something fascinating, they
Speaker 4: are fascinating.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying, what are you? What are you?
Speaker 1: What are you bringing in on our pasts? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: then you have the indigenous people, and so they believed
Speaker 1: in spirit guides and ancestors and guarding a guardian beings.
Speaker 1: And this happened with the you know, through sweat lodges
Speaker 1: and fasting quest which they fasted in the Bible as well,
Speaker 1: fast and pray. That's that's a thing. But if you're
Speaker 1: doing the Bible fasting and praying, I'm hoping that it
Speaker 1: is a real.
Speaker 4: And just like awaken and if some of these substances
Speaker 4: are in your body fasting even the wine, just wine,
Speaker 4: you know, from like your communion, they talk about like
Speaker 4: that being really strong. And like even with Joseph Smith,
Speaker 4: they talk about how they would fast. You know, this
Speaker 4: is in the secret parts of what he was doing.
Speaker 4: But then they would drink this wine and they would
Speaker 4: be all wild because they had fasted all this whole time.
Speaker 4: In the school of the Profits.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because it speeds up your metabolism and so
Speaker 1: what does that do you know what I mean, clears
Speaker 1: everything out to make way for the cuckoo.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: So they also use this with plant medicines and the
Speaker 1: indigenous people's they have tobacco ceremonies and you know, all
Speaker 1: kinds of other things that they did. And the next
Speaker 1: one I think is fascinating. It's the witch trials in
Speaker 1: medieval Europe, and so a lot lot of quote visions
Speaker 1: of angels or demons were actually from ergot poisoning, which
Speaker 1: I did do some looking into that before, and I
Speaker 1: find that highly fascinating.
Speaker 4: It really is interesting what was going on there.
Speaker 1: So they had a coase episodes of psychosis and hysteria.
Speaker 1: They were going through starvation and getting fevers, and religious
Speaker 1: extremism was the time of the day, you know. And
Speaker 1: so governments being the way that they are, and they
Speaker 1: love to control and manipulate and instill fear in people.
Speaker 1: They know these things, and so especially during the Salem
Speaker 1: witch Trials time, they the government used these things to
Speaker 1: execute people or to do purges or social control, whichill
Speaker 1: goes on to this day.
Speaker 4: The ones that got me were the ones that got
Speaker 4: accused because not because they did something, because their spiritual
Speaker 4: self in their sleep, realm of this other person, not them,
Speaker 4: came to them in their sleep and did some stuff.
Speaker 4: How what like okay.
Speaker 1: So that would be like I was, or you were
Speaker 1: dreaming and you were dreaming that I came to you
Speaker 1: and did something. I pushed youth and then I got
Speaker 1: tried and burned at the stake because you saw me
Speaker 1: in a dream.
Speaker 4: Isn't it funny? It's not burned at the steak anymore.
Speaker 4: It's all hangings. And I think this is a real mandela.
Speaker 4: I remember vividly these people getting burned.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, they got burned at the stage.
Speaker 4: Now they're hangings, and I'm like, that's really weird. I
Speaker 4: don't remember about this whole hanging business, but whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 4: the way trials I did do. I don't want to
Speaker 4: bring up Joseph too much, but his family does show
Speaker 4: up here. They really are from Salem area, not from
Speaker 4: where they like to you and say, but catch that
Speaker 4: episode on my channel, because I don't want to go
Speaker 4: into that whole thing, but family's there. Very strange.
Speaker 1: So, because you know, we had talked about before that
Speaker 1: like any kind of like deep seated traumas or whatever
Speaker 1: create this protector thing or heavenly guardians, angels, glowing beings,
Speaker 1: you know, comforting voices, all those kind of things. They're
Speaker 1: not psychosis because they don't have the other symptoms with them.
Speaker 1: But like I said, the brain creates them as a
Speaker 1: safety thing because they're protective over us and whatever. And
Speaker 1: so you can be traumatized to the point where it
Speaker 1: becomes psychosis. But that's when you start hearing these things
Speaker 1: that are supposed to be your protectors tell you go
Speaker 1: kill your noisy neighbors, you know, go stab someone on
Speaker 1: the subway, go have sex with a dog or you
Speaker 1: know whatever. Sorry, that was great, but.
Speaker 4: I mean they've done these where it gets worse. Uh yeah,
Speaker 4: and so it's a real thing, you know, I mean
Speaker 4: this is real that people have done that exact thing,
Speaker 4: or you know, sacrificing your first born or then I
Speaker 4: mean they made whole cults on this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, and so you know that's when it
Speaker 1: crosses the line and changes and and you you're so
Speaker 1: your psyche is so shattered that you like, are not
Speaker 1: your own person anymore. You're just a controlled mechanism. Which again,
Speaker 1: think about mass formation psychosis. That's a real thing. And
Speaker 1: so can you have a whole group of people that
Speaker 1: you're controlling at one time that are you know thinking
Speaker 1: that absolutely.
Speaker 4: We definitely have seen that before. Yes, yes, and not
Speaker 4: only then. Right, Well, we're being snarky about twenty twenty,
Speaker 4: but you know, it happens in colts in general. It
Speaker 4: happens in religion in general.
Speaker 1: I was going to say churches. A lot of churches
Speaker 1: is that way. And if you ever hear your preacher,
Speaker 1: pastor whatever they want to call themselves in the place
Speaker 1: that you go to worship, you won't get to heaven
Speaker 1: unless you do what I say, run because that is
Speaker 1: a form of psychosis because people get so indoctrinated and
Speaker 1: worshiping the leaders of the church, whereas there it's the
Speaker 1: pastor the priest, you know, whoever it is that when
Speaker 1: they start speaking things like that, that is false prophecy,
Speaker 1: that's false doctrine, and they are trying to brainwash and
Speaker 1: manipulate you because it's a means of control, and fear.
Speaker 4: Control isn't God.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent ever, No.
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean there's not guidelines. But when it's forceful control,
Speaker 4: like oh you will do this, you know, it's it's
Speaker 4: usually oppression. Like at that level, it's something different. I
Speaker 4: won't say every time, but maybe you know ninety percent
Speaker 4: of the time.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna say, and this is probably gonna get
Speaker 1: some people's panies and a bunch, but if you have
Speaker 1: a church that is demanding a certain percentage of your
Speaker 1: income for tithing, I want you to think back in
Speaker 1: the Bible, did people have a lot of money? Did
Speaker 1: they have savings account and checking accounts? No, they did not,
Speaker 1: And so your tithing is not the tithing that's in
Speaker 1: the church tithing And during the Bible times were linens,
Speaker 1: you know, any kind of fabric oil, olive oil, essential oils, spices, herbs,
Speaker 1: your time, things like that. Helping other people. That is tithing.
Speaker 1: It is not demand a church demanding that you give
Speaker 1: them twenty percent of your income.
Speaker 4: Well you need to know where that money goes because
Speaker 4: one hundred percent, you know, if the enzyme peak scandal
Speaker 4: is not something you've heard of. For the LDS, and
Speaker 4: I do pick on them because I was one, not
Speaker 4: because they're the only one. It's all of them, you know.
Speaker 4: I tell you that all the time, and they still
Speaker 4: just say you hate the Marmons, And I'm like, I
Speaker 4: hate organized corporate people that pretend to be religions.
Speaker 1: Right, masquerading as religion because it's not. Religion and faith
Speaker 1: are not the same thing.
Speaker 4: No so, and so it can be scary. Go help
Speaker 4: people yourself, or you know, go take that money yourself
Speaker 4: and do something good with it for people. Also, remember
Speaker 4: God said he doesn't want it if you didn't want
Speaker 4: to give it.
Speaker 1: Right, So if it's not put on your heart to give,
Speaker 1: then don't m h and don't make yourself for to
Speaker 1: make someone else rich.
Speaker 4: Yes, because they are getting rich.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Look at the take a look at
Speaker 1: the place that a lot of pastors or preachers live,
Speaker 1: and it is way better than what you are in.
Speaker 4: So wow, and let alone. Like I said, the enzyme
Speaker 4: Peak scandal with the shell companies and the billions of
Speaker 4: dollars that they hid for the end of the world,
Speaker 4: one hundred percent, I don't think God needs money at
Speaker 4: that point.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, So that's hmmm, kind of sounds
Speaker 1: like laundering scheme.
Speaker 4: Hello yeah, church, yep, exactly.
Speaker 1: So not only religion and churches and governments and states,
Speaker 1: but medical institutions and things of that nature use all
Speaker 1: of these things. And they got to create that fear
Speaker 1: based narrative about the invisible enemy that's coming to get you,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, a pandemic, an epidemic, a demon
Speaker 1: of which, a political party, another religion, a different kind
Speaker 1: of people, whatever it is. They got to still that
Speaker 1: fear first foremost, and so that causes the moral panic
Speaker 1: and people get a little cuckoo. Then they got to
Speaker 1: introduce some kind of savior. Right, think about our political
Speaker 1: system all the time. So it's a king at church,
Speaker 1: a government science bill gates the CDC it's always somebody
Speaker 1: that's going to save you because you're too dumb to
Speaker 1: figure your stuff out for yourself. You always got to
Speaker 1: have that savior come in and help you out. And
Speaker 1: then it's the enforcement of group obedience. Hellose, social distancing
Speaker 1: rules and all of that stuff. So you have to
Speaker 1: have conformity, so they can't have varying thoughts or ideas.
Speaker 1: Everybody has to obey, which is exactly what they do now.
Speaker 1: They're trying to enforce like misinformation punishments and all of
Speaker 1: that stuff. When the government is the biggest propagator of
Speaker 1: misinformation on the planet, so got to watch out for that.
Speaker 4: Plus and they own both sides, so just go study
Speaker 4: the Bolshevik Revolution.
Speaker 1: A hundred answer is yes, yes, hundred percent yes. And
Speaker 1: so during this time of obedience and all of that stuff,
Speaker 1: they also do a lot of scapegoating. It's Heidie's fault,
Speaker 1: it's my fault, it's you know, somebody that We've always
Speaker 1: got to blame somebody else for things that we do wrong.
Speaker 1: So that's that's a common thing, and suspension of critical
Speaker 1: thought processes that happens a lot in society. And but
Speaker 1: then they can scoop in hello, Galien dialectic. Create the
Speaker 1: problem right, watch your reaction. Here's the solution. Now, they're
Speaker 1: going to offer you redemption if you just obey what
Speaker 1: we say, you'll be safe if you take these drugs
Speaker 1: or take these vaccinations, or vote for this person, or
Speaker 1: do whatever it's for the good of public health and safety.
Speaker 4: So well, and it's terrifying to know that they're always
Speaker 4: on both sides of the coin. You guys have to understand,
Speaker 4: because my mom has a hard time with us. She's like,
Speaker 4: but they did this good thing. Or my husband will said,
Speaker 4: but look at the gas prices. I'm like, yeah, but
Speaker 4: look at the food prices. Like they're just always moving.
Speaker 4: It's never really what it seems to be. They just
Speaker 4: shuffle the other thing right enough.
Speaker 1: They put that bright, shiny object out in front right now,
Speaker 1: so the hoping that you won't look at this other
Speaker 1: thing that's still a problem. Yep.
Speaker 4: They don't want to check in anything. They want you
Speaker 4: just like this picture, right.
Speaker 1: And so this of course has delusional belief systems and
Speaker 1: a cult structures. So if you're like, I'm a staunch
Speaker 1: this or that public or what am I trying to
Speaker 1: say politically speaking, or you're staunch this or that religious
Speaker 1: speaking and whatever, and you can't concede to anybody else's
Speaker 1: point of view or anything like that. They know that
Speaker 1: they've got you at that point, right, and so that was.
Speaker 4: Why they want it. Yeah, that's why they created these sects.
Speaker 4: Whether it's like race or religion or money or whatever
Speaker 4: the thing is, it's honestly so dumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they've always got to keep you fearful and divided, right,
Speaker 1: because if they had people that were cohesive and together,
Speaker 1: they would never be able to manipulate us in the
Speaker 1: way and the manners that they do present because of
Speaker 1: you know, this crossing the boundaries into the psychosis portion,
Speaker 1: like I said, the chronic fear, the isolation, propaganda, the
Speaker 1: panic separating you from family members and things like that
Speaker 1: because of belief systems, religious extremism and things like that. So,
Speaker 1: because people get so ingrained and entrenched in the psychosis pattern,
Speaker 1: of course you got the paranoia that creeps in and
Speaker 1: then got like delusions that you're constantly being persecuted, you know,
Speaker 1: so they got attack because what people do, it's the
Speaker 1: fighter thing that turns on. And so when your body's
Speaker 1: in that constant state of fear and panic. What do
Speaker 1: you do? You lash out always, whether it's bad verbal abuse,
Speaker 1: bad physical abuse, bad behavior in general. That's all part
Speaker 1: of this unfortunately.
Speaker 4: Well, and remember institutions do this like, oh the Mormons
Speaker 4: are so persecuted, Oh, the Catholics are so persecuted. They
Speaker 4: use it.
Speaker 1: And if they can manipulate you enough, they can get
Speaker 1: you to give up your money, they can give you
Speaker 1: get you to give up your critical thought and all
Speaker 1: of that stuff and your individualism and what makes you
Speaker 1: you because of the way that God make you. And
Speaker 1: so then you're conformist to their occultism or school of thought,
Speaker 1: and you're no longer have close connection with God.
Speaker 4: Hello Rockefeller schools.
Speaker 1: Yep. So, before medicine got involved, angelic visions were actually normal, right,
Speaker 1: and often honored traditions and lots of different cultures and
Speaker 1: things like that, and so especially ancient and medieval cultures,
Speaker 1: they had visions of the angels, spirits, ancestor or gods.
Speaker 1: Of course, this is back in the day when there
Speaker 1: were gods multiple even though.
Speaker 4: That's me to come back, that's a.
Speaker 1: So back in the day, though nobody called this a
Speaker 1: disorder or psychosis or whatever, it wasn't until the birth
Speaker 1: of psychiatry and the medical institutions that this became to
Speaker 1: be a diagnosis of people. And so even if you
Speaker 1: did have a true, real spiritual awakening, if for some
Speaker 1: reason you told a practitioner that at the hospital, they
Speaker 1: would call for a psych consult and why because they're
Speaker 1: not equipped or educated enough. All they are is indoctrinated,
Speaker 1: and so they treat you as a whole like a group,
Speaker 1: whole population, instead of an individual person, and so they
Speaker 1: don't know what questions to ask. They can't break that down.
Speaker 1: And so during the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, that's when
Speaker 1: the word or term madness begin to replace spiritual experiences.
Speaker 1: And they do this slowly as a process, just like
Speaker 1: they do with introducing the word like infection or things
Speaker 1: like that, because that was not around until like the
Speaker 1: lowery Pastor era and stuff like that. Those words did
Speaker 1: not exist, and so they got to introduce things slowly
Speaker 1: so people don't freak out.
Speaker 4: And so not to say that some people weren't crazy, right,
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 1: What there definitely are some people. And the person I'm
Speaker 1: gonna talk about is definitely got the psychosis version and
Speaker 1: not the awakening part.
Speaker 4: Right, and their cures when this all came out, like
Speaker 4: she's going to go into right about now, one of
Speaker 4: them for frigid women was oral sex by the doctor,
Speaker 4: So you might want to check your stats when we're
Speaker 4: going into crazy.
Speaker 1: Bill, right, And again, do you trust the science? Do
Speaker 1: you trust the doctors?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Do you trust anybody when you tell them that you
Speaker 1: had this or are they gonna like call and report
Speaker 1: you as a red flag law because they think you're nuts?
Speaker 4: And can both be true? Can you have a real
Speaker 4: situation where you had an awakening and be crazy?
Speaker 1: Yep?
Speaker 4: Can you have that and not be crazy? Yep? Look,
Speaker 4: only you know what's going on with you, and if
Speaker 4: it leads you to you know these things, it shouldn't
Speaker 4: be talking to you every day, it shouldn't. You shouldn't
Speaker 4: have to sacrifice a goat once a year on the fall. No,
Speaker 4: let's get real. You know what you're doing, and if
Speaker 4: you want to do it, go knock yourself out. But
Speaker 4: quit trying to say it was benevolent. I mean, look,
Speaker 4: it's not really that okay. If you're inducing it in
Speaker 4: any way, shape or form with drugs, with fear, with
Speaker 4: there's a lot of ways, right, the temple is one
Speaker 4: of them. Like they just use fear now, right, they
Speaker 4: use use drugs, they used to use whatever, they still
Speaker 4: do use that in a lot of cultures. And that's fine.
Speaker 4: Like I'm not dissing anybody's whatever you want to do,
Speaker 4: do that, and I'm just telling you quit leading others
Speaker 4: without them. You can tell them all day long, that's great.
Speaker 4: Let them choose. That's all. Well informed decisions make really
Speaker 4: good decisions.
Speaker 1: A hundred person. And remember the key piece between an
Speaker 1: awakening and a psychosis is the having or not having
Speaker 1: critical thought processes.
Speaker 4: And you shouldn't change everything you are. That's weird. You
Speaker 4: have a core and whether you are repaired from trauma
Speaker 4: or whatever, because that's me. I always do the example
Speaker 4: with the gold on the plate, and it's more beautiful
Speaker 4: and more strong, you know, the Japanese you know stuff
Speaker 4: that they would fix that way. But also that plate
Speaker 4: is still made up the same thing. That plate is
Speaker 4: still the same as it was. It's just a little
Speaker 4: bit different in certain areas. Not the whole plate that's
Speaker 4: on the baby out with the bathwater.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And sanctification takes time, and so if you
Speaker 1: did have a real spiritual awakening. That's great, but you
Speaker 1: should also know that God's going to lead you on
Speaker 1: the path and fix the things that need to be
Speaker 1: repaired in you. But it's not going to happen overnight
Speaker 1: because you had your whole lifetime to be a boob,
Speaker 1: you know, and.
Speaker 4: You have to do the work. It's hard work.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you gotta want. You got to want to be different.
Speaker 1: And so you know, during during this time, when they
Speaker 1: introduced madness to replace the spiritual experiences, they also brought
Speaker 1: on the terms hysteria and melancholy. So if you're for
Speaker 1: any particular reason, you now fall into the psychosis.
Speaker 4: These guys don't look like they should be saying anything
Speaker 4: to anybody, but because.
Speaker 1: They look crazy themselves.
Speaker 4: I'll show yeah, yeah, wow, we'll get there.
Speaker 1: So during the nineteenth century is when we had the
Speaker 1: birth of psychiatry, and so this is where it truly
Speaker 1: became a medical thing. So we had several doctors that
Speaker 1: of course they're all foreign doctors that category categorized mental
Speaker 1: health symptoms for the first time and coin terms like hallucination, delusion, paranoia, mania,
Speaker 1: and melancholia. So this dude looks yeah, they all look like.
Speaker 4: The thyroid disorder. I'm diagnosing him right now.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, it looks like he's been, oh,
Speaker 1: participating in extracurricular activities with a below member that's very strange,
Speaker 1: looking like creepy creepy dudes.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: And so this was somebody would come in and they
Speaker 1: said they heard an angel speak. They would automatic they say, oh,
Speaker 1: auditory hallucinations. You're hearing things. And someone if someone believed
Speaker 1: that God gave them a mission or a message, that
Speaker 1: was a dilutional psychosis, and so they automatically jumped to
Speaker 1: deeming people psychotic that may have just really had the
Speaker 1: spiritual awakening aspect.
Speaker 4: Yes, I love this one. This says a mystic is
Speaker 4: a hysteric who has met her confessor before her doctor.
Speaker 4: And so yeah, I'm not saying all mysticism is bad.
Speaker 4: I'm saying occultism is bad. No different, Yeah, so we together.
Speaker 1: The twentieth century is when the DSM which is created,
Speaker 1: and that is the literal psychiatric Bible, that is the
Speaker 1: diagnosing manual and all the things. And so in nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty two that was the first edition, and so religious
Speaker 1: themes appeared under psychotic disorders schizophrenic reactions and mania actions.
Speaker 1: And then in nineteen sixty eight they were still kind
Speaker 1: of vague categories, but religious delusions are mentioned and classic
Speaker 1: features like again this schizophrenia, manic states, and paranoia. But
Speaker 1: then in nineteen eighty we changed, and we changed a
Speaker 1: great deal. So then it becomes where religion supposedly became irrelevant.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't the theme that mattered, but the loss
Speaker 1: of reality. And so this is where religious delusion becomes
Speaker 1: a formal coded diagnosis in their book. So isn't it
Speaker 1: nice again?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: And there wasn't like a special breakdown of what qualified
Speaker 1: you to be under this religious delusion category. People would
Speaker 1: freak out if they probably knew, like all of the
Speaker 1: dsms and all of the new diagnos codes for medical
Speaker 1: that they have added for anti vaxxers refusing a vaccination,
Speaker 1: not up to date on your boosters, like all the
Speaker 1: things are in there now. Oh yeah, So why religious
Speaker 1: or angelic themes become diagnosable. They don't diagnose the belief.
Speaker 1: They diagnose when the belief is rigid or fixed, like
Speaker 1: we said, disconnection from reality and pairs functioning, causes danger,
Speaker 1: or is not culturally shared. So if your beliefs are
Speaker 1: not the same beliefs as a massive population.
Speaker 4: Oh me, so it's me in Utah, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you, and it's me as I'll be probably
Speaker 1: in that category as well, because I don't attend a
Speaker 1: church in a building any longer. So interesting that they
Speaker 1: saw that, But this psychiatry field saw how predictable this
Speaker 1: was and how easy it was to classify people with
Speaker 1: religious beliefs and stuff under psychotic disorders. So modern day
Speaker 1: how it's diagnosed currently, uh huh. Their loss of anxiet,
Speaker 1: the inability to function fear paranoia commands to act a fixed,
Speaker 1: unshakable interpretation. And the controversy surrounding this is because psychiatry
Speaker 1: medicinalized spiritual states. Mystical experiences were pathologized. So there's got
Speaker 1: to be something wrong with your brain or whatever going
Speaker 1: on in your body to make you see these things.
Speaker 1: Governments and institutions use psychiatry to enforce conformity. Hello Tavistock Institute.
Speaker 1: So the line between revelation and psychosis is culturally defined
Speaker 1: by the psychology and psychiatry community, now, especially more so
Speaker 1: for women, because women tend to have more spiritual awakenings
Speaker 1: than men do. And women also go to the doctor
Speaker 1: more and go to therapy or counseling more frequently, and
Speaker 1: so women are the highest targeted group in this area.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and we're hysterical because we have a period.
Speaker 1: Blame it on the period. Oh, they did, yes, all
Speaker 1: the time. And so bottom line is because I wanted
Speaker 1: to know how common it is for them to automatically
Speaker 1: run to diagnose somebody as psychotic even though they just
Speaker 1: literally had a positive experience. Clinicians today are much quicker
Speaker 1: to diagnose with that same thing. And so modern psychiatry
Speaker 1: is so indoctrinated that they have this safety first thing.
Speaker 1: So if you're thinking you saw things, then you're not
Speaker 1: only a danger to yourself, but you could be a
Speaker 1: danger to other people. And so they're their first thing
Speaker 1: that they have to do is jump to treat what
Speaker 1: general means hospitalization, medication, whatever, because of the liability issue
Speaker 1: that they may face. So obviously over prescribing for people
Speaker 1: is a real problem because it's like a pringles. You
Speaker 1: can't just have one. You got to have a whole
Speaker 1: cocktail of medications because you're you have psychosis, but you're
Speaker 1: also depressed, and then you've got heightened moments and so
Speaker 1: then we got to give you something for that. And
Speaker 1: they all work against each other.
Speaker 4: You really, I mean, I'm not anti meds like you
Speaker 4: have to research it. You have because I've seen, like
Speaker 4: with my daughter specifically, she she needs the one medication
Speaker 4: she's it's just an antidepressant. I know it goes back
Speaker 4: and forth for people, but like we've tried, we've tried
Speaker 4: lots of other things. It doesn't work. And for her, however,
Speaker 4: we know what she's done therapy, like she's done everything
Speaker 4: else too. So when you get to that point, you
Speaker 4: know you've done all the things you were working through
Speaker 4: it it's still not working. Like, Yeah, I think there's
Speaker 4: a time and a place for some medications, but shouldn't
Speaker 4: look like this.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, but that's what everybody does. And like I said,
Speaker 1: it's very common in the healthcare world for them to go, oh,
Speaker 1: you have periods of mania. Oh, and you have periods
Speaker 1: of depression. So they're going to give you, you know,
Speaker 1: something to raise your mood, something to lower your mood,
Speaker 1: and those things do not work together. And that's why
Speaker 1: when the patients come back for a follow up, they
Speaker 1: will tell you either they don't feel any different, or
Speaker 1: they feel worse. That's because your body's in total chaos
Speaker 1: and your body doesn't know what to do.
Speaker 4: And research them first, because you need to know the
Speaker 4: side effects before you go on.
Speaker 1: Medication, because you will have a sexual.
Speaker 4: Dysfunction on some of them, which will make you more depressed.
Speaker 4: Let's research there's other ones, there's better ones, there's you know,
Speaker 4: they get paid for, Like my mom always asks, well,
Speaker 4: why do they do this one and not this one
Speaker 4: or whatever? For like even asthma drugs. I'm like, because
Speaker 4: you get paid for certain ones money.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: You have to be in control of your own and
Speaker 4: I'm sorry people want to go and have If you
Speaker 4: want the one script FIXEL, you're gonna get it, but
Speaker 4: you're not gonna get better. You need to look up
Speaker 4: your own things and really try different, like different things.
Speaker 4: If that one's not working, don't just stay on it
Speaker 4: and think that's it. Like you know, we do it
Speaker 4: the proper way. Weed down, talk to the doctor, like
Speaker 4: you can do these things differently and get a good outcome,
Speaker 4: like I've seen it with my own family, and I've
Speaker 4: seen a bad outcome with my own family too. Right.
Speaker 1: One hundred percent, and sadly, they'll give these medications in
Speaker 1: a combination of things, and then you have side effects,
Speaker 1: and then they give you more to take care of
Speaker 1: the side effects, and more and more and more and
Speaker 1: more and more, which that's going to overstimulate your body,
Speaker 1: and your body's like doesn't know what to do again.
Speaker 1: So a lot of the over prescribing happens because under
Speaker 1: the Obama administration, they did the push for everyone to
Speaker 1: go electronic, and it was demanded. And so when you
Speaker 1: go electronic, they think the powers that be think that
Speaker 1: that means that you can double your patient load in
Speaker 1: a day. And so you go to fifteen minute appointments
Speaker 1: and so you can't talk to the patient in depth
Speaker 1: about anything because you don't have time because you got
Speaker 1: to get to the next person. And so, oh, you
Speaker 1: got this problem. Okay, here's a script. Insurance pressures a
Speaker 1: lot of doctors and facilities and stuff because medication management,
Speaker 1: like Idi said, is reimbursed, and so the facility, the doctor,
Speaker 1: the hospital, whatever it is, they get money. The more
Speaker 1: stuff they prescribe, the more money that they get.
Speaker 4: There was one story from a doctor and I can't
Speaker 4: believe that they even put this out there, but I
Speaker 4: can't remember what. I sawt on a documentary and he
Speaker 4: literally had a boat and he nicknamed it kickback because
Speaker 4: he got kickbacks. They do, and so you have to know,
Speaker 4: like these drug reps they get paid. Like I take
Speaker 4: one medication that is for my leg spasms from my
Speaker 4: back issues, and it is the oldest drug and they
Speaker 4: hate it because they don't make any money off it.
Speaker 4: They won't pay for it. My insurance won't even pay
Speaker 4: for it. My husband's medicine for his migraine super old,
Speaker 4: like indo medicine. They don't even.
Speaker 1: Get that anymore. But it is the only thing that
Speaker 1: works for him.
Speaker 4: It's dirt cheap. So what if your insurance doesn't pay
Speaker 4: for it. Don't just jump on board with the newest
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, this is the newest shot ever, blah blah.
Speaker 4: Sometimes those old things like you've got to try a
Speaker 4: couple different things. And my husband really went through it
Speaker 4: with his migraines, and I was too scared because he
Speaker 4: was taking so many of those damn shots, you know.
Speaker 4: And with me, they tried to give me new muscle relaxers.
Speaker 4: I was knocked on my ass. I couldn't function. You know,
Speaker 4: and I'm yes, my back is really bad and goes
Speaker 4: down my leg, but I have to have I have
Speaker 4: to be awake. I have all these kids, you know.
Speaker 4: I was like, this isn't helping my life, Like this works,
Speaker 4: you know. And so finally the one I tried after
Speaker 4: all the others, it was like the only one left basically,
Speaker 4: and they were like, ah, we hate.
Speaker 1: That drug, blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: And then I was like, well whatever, and then my
Speaker 4: insurance pushed back and everybody and I don't care. I
Speaker 4: will pay for that Perston. Like it works and it's
Speaker 4: mostly consistent of aspirin, and yes, you have to be
Speaker 4: careful with that. But look, I'm telling you sometimes these
Speaker 4: older things sometimes they work right well.
Speaker 1: And speaking to that, think about like the older vaccines
Speaker 1: like when we were kids, right, and how much different
Speaker 1: they are now. And it's no different than like the
Speaker 1: the bioengineered drugs that we talked about, like you know,
Speaker 1: recreational drugs or whatever. There's so much more potent and
Speaker 1: stronger now.
Speaker 4: Yes, and they've had.
Speaker 1: The technology is different and they have so much more
Speaker 1: like additives and chemicals and things like that, and prescriptions
Speaker 1: nowadays it can be in the old stuff.
Speaker 4: You ought to see the look I got because my
Speaker 4: son is going to be in the nursing program, so
Speaker 4: he had to go comply with a stupid flu shot
Speaker 4: and all these things. And I was really pissed off
Speaker 4: because I delayed his vaccines for a long time. First
Speaker 4: of all. Second of all, he has no mRNA once.
Speaker 4: Third of all, he better never touch certain ones. And
Speaker 4: we've already talked about them. There's multiple, not just one, right,
Speaker 4: especially that damn HPV shot for boys. You best stay
Speaker 4: away from that in general, in general for the girls
Speaker 4: and the boys, but one hundred percent for the boys, yep,
Speaker 4: because it's really bad for them. And you can do
Speaker 4: your own research. This is my own opinion.
Speaker 1: In my own total agreeance medical advice.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just saying, like, as a parent, you know,
Speaker 4: I did, even as a nurse, wholly believing in it
Speaker 4: a long time ago. My older girl is twenty six.
Speaker 4: I did not let them touch her with any vaccines.
Speaker 4: She was born at home, so I do mean any
Speaker 4: till she was three, because I had read that it
Speaker 4: overloads their system like and they hated me, man, because
Speaker 4: I was well educated. I was a nurse and I
Speaker 4: wasn't coming at them with an anti vac stance. I
Speaker 4: just wanted to do it different, right, And I did. Yeah,
Speaker 4: And she's the only one out of my kids so
Speaker 4: far that from like my older kids in that generation
Speaker 4: that doesn't have a thyroid problem. Like you know, certain
Speaker 4: genetics that you know, if you know this is in
Speaker 4: my family line, you best be careful on what lights
Speaker 4: you turn on.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, yeah, And I was.
Speaker 4: And then so the doctor was pissed off at me
Speaker 4: because he goes and the and the the VID shot, right,
Speaker 4: we're going to give that today with the flu shot
Speaker 4: And I said no, and he's like, oh, well, he's
Speaker 4: going to be in the I said, We're not doing that.
Speaker 4: I said, and I don't know why it has to
Speaker 4: be in mRNA form and they can't make another form
Speaker 4: of vaccine where it's traditional. Well, it mutates, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like every virus mutates. He gave me the look of death,
Speaker 1: doesn't like somebody that has critical thoughts. Still, that fear
Speaker 1: and control wasn't working out well for him.
Speaker 4: And my son's asthma one hundred and ten percent flirt
Speaker 4: up horribly after the flu shot. Like I was pissed.
Speaker 4: I was pissed off that he even had to do that.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's gonna have to get all kinds of things
Speaker 1: if he's going to be in that field now. So
Speaker 1: not just the insurance pressing facilities or whatever, but Big
Speaker 1: Farnma does the exact same thing. Providers get really burnt out,
Speaker 1: and so they're just like, Oh, I'll give you whatever
Speaker 1: prescriptions you want. Oh, you want seventy five xanax, all right,
Speaker 1: I'll write that for you, like whatever. So much in
Speaker 1: Utah emergency settings, and so a lot of providers don't
Speaker 1: have the time or don't take the time in emergency
Speaker 1: settings like the er is what I'm talking about, to
Speaker 1: actually do things right, and so a lot of over prescribing.
Speaker 1: So the system is definitely not set up in the
Speaker 1: not just psychiatry field, but the medical field as well,
Speaker 1: because like I said before, they don't know the questions
Speaker 1: to ask. They don't have any training in spiritual emergencies.
Speaker 1: They don't understand mystical or awakening things. They can't differentiate
Speaker 1: between kundalini activation, which we talked about on a previous show,
Speaker 1: and what mania looks like. They don't know the difference
Speaker 1: between cultural competence and you know, like where there it's
Speaker 1: indigenous people or you know, all of the different cultures
Speaker 1: come with all of these different beliefs and spiritual beliefs,
Speaker 1: religious beliefs and all of that stuff. They don't have
Speaker 1: training in that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: They don't have time, and even if they did, like it,
Speaker 4: it's always constantly changing. That's why I put this picture
Speaker 4: and I really loved it because you know, it's like
Speaker 4: showing kind of like Jesus with the doctor and the
Speaker 4: doctor talking to the guy, but like they don't do
Speaker 4: that anymore. I have a wonderful doctor. The reason why
Speaker 4: I have the prescription I have for my dumb leg
Speaker 4: and it's nothing major, you know, is he listens to me.
Speaker 4: He's like and even with my sicknesses and stuff, he's
Speaker 4: been like really good to say, yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 4: you're a different case. He even wrote me the letter
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty for the VID, and he is very
Speaker 4: pro and he said, I understand why you are fearful
Speaker 4: because you might die. Like I have seen you react
Speaker 4: to other things that are crazy. You're allergic to white rice, Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know if you should have. He was very
Speaker 4: on my side. You need somebody that will listen to
Speaker 4: you if you do.
Speaker 1: Have right and if they don't listen and they don't
Speaker 1: advocate for you a new doctor, I didn actor because
Speaker 1: they're breaking their oath right off the bat anyway, because
Speaker 1: they're supposed to advocate for you as a patient, not
Speaker 1: for the facility or advocate for pharma or the entrance.
Speaker 4: He has been so wonderful and he never makes me
Speaker 4: feel crazy or rushed. He's like, look, I did at
Speaker 4: first think you were a little histrionic. And then he
Speaker 4: watched all those things happen to me with the surgeon.
Speaker 4: It wasn't him, and he's like everything you were telling
Speaker 4: me from the weeks before, because I was seeing him too,
Speaker 4: and I was like this, I know some things are
Speaker 4: like I just know. Same thing with my cancer. I
Speaker 4: knew I had cancer before I had cancer, and I
Speaker 4: didn't know where, but I knew I did. And they
Speaker 4: told me I was nuts, and I kept saying, like
Speaker 4: I know that that this is what it is, so
Speaker 4: I will not let you biopsia. I'm sorry take it out.
Speaker 4: And they were very upset with me because it's a
Speaker 4: critical organ right right, and I am on medication for
Speaker 4: my thyroid the rest of my life because of that.
Speaker 4: But I knew that going in and I told them
Speaker 4: I don't care. I know that those nodules and I
Speaker 4: had so many. I said, please you. And the first
Speaker 4: doctor fired me as a patient, and the next doctor
Speaker 4: was my doctor I found now and he was like,
Speaker 4: and he was so nice. He said, I think you're
Speaker 4: being over zealous. He didn't call me crazy, and he said,
Speaker 4: but I think you have good rationale. Yes, it's probably, yes,
Speaker 4: it's had to auto men all these things. He supported me,
Speaker 4: and he said, it's it's dead. I'm sure it's been
Speaker 4: dead probably since you were thirteen, So that's fine. You're
Speaker 4: being a little wild, but it does. It's a dead organ,
Speaker 4: you know. And it was. It was full blown. It
Speaker 4: was almost stage four. If they had done that, I
Speaker 4: don't know if i'd be here right.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, probably not, because anytime you
Speaker 1: poke that encapsulation, it just spreads everywhere.
Speaker 4: And I had the worst feeling, like I kept praying
Speaker 4: because I never make a decision on medicine alone, and
Speaker 4: I kept having the worst like, don't do it. If
Speaker 4: you have that, like you.
Speaker 1: Better listen to that, listen to your gut always.
Speaker 4: My doctor was floored when he called me, and the
Speaker 4: first thing he said, this is what they say to you,
Speaker 4: and I already told him, like I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 4: He's like, is there someone home with you right now?
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, shut up, I told you. I told you.
Speaker 4: And he's like, I know, but and I said, look,
Speaker 4: I already know it's positive. Just tell me what we
Speaker 4: need to do.
Speaker 1: M one hundred percent and that that's again because you
Speaker 1: have that connection with your body and I just tell
Speaker 1: it to you.
Speaker 4: And yeah, right, I give it to God. Really and
Speaker 4: when you do that, you're not going to hear I mean,
Speaker 4: at least for me. He didn't like from down and
Speaker 4: whoa like that would be probably scary, I don't know,
Speaker 4: but like it was just over time, like it every
Speaker 4: time I challenge it and be like, but maybe it
Speaker 4: was like a pushback feeling right like your fear.
Speaker 1: It's more like and see That's why, like this topic
Speaker 1: today kind of made me chuckle because I've never seen
Speaker 1: an angel. I've never talked to an angel, but I
Speaker 1: have said frequently that I get downloads from God and
Speaker 1: I do because he guides me to where he wants
Speaker 1: me to.
Speaker 4: Be well, this is why the angels always say do
Speaker 4: not fear.
Speaker 1: That's a very creepy picture.
Speaker 4: This is like a real depiction of an angel from
Speaker 4: the description in the Bible.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, wow, that's terrifying. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to see one of those.
Speaker 4: So I'm asking God said it to me. Yeah, I'll listen,
Speaker 4: but that's a little spooky, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, i'd be like listening with one eye open. So,
Speaker 1: you know, tragically speaking, you know, clinicians because they don't
Speaker 1: know what to do and because they're pressured to make
Speaker 1: all this money for Farman Insurance and everybody else, so
Speaker 1: sadly they diagnose a lot of people as having a
Speaker 1: problem when they don't have one. And so this even
Speaker 1: lends to you know, again the electronic medical records goes,
Speaker 1: they got a computer, they're trying to type while they're
Speaker 1: trying to listen to you. So if you're you're emotional,
Speaker 1: if you speak fast, if you say anything like God
Speaker 1: spoke to me and Angel spoke to me. Whatever you
Speaker 1: tell them about a vision, or you start crying, or
Speaker 1: you tell them you're overwhelmed, they're immediately going to diagnose
Speaker 1: you as psychotic, hysterical, even though you're not.
Speaker 4: Maybe you went through a whole lot of shit and
Speaker 4: you're just real upset and.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, and you are having a bad day
Speaker 1: because it's okay to cry, because that is your body's
Speaker 1: way of letting out the stress and bringing your body
Speaker 1: back to normal homeostasis or balance.
Speaker 4: And you you have to also remember there is situational
Speaker 4: depression anger whatever that is, whatever feeling you're having, and
Speaker 4: then there's like this ongoing lingering situation, which is different.
Speaker 4: So if you are sad because your cat died and
Speaker 4: then something else died, and then and your grandma died,
Speaker 4: and you know, all these things are happening, and you're like, man,
Speaker 4: I just I'm going to have to get on medicine
Speaker 4: because I'm really depressed. No, this is normal. You should
Speaker 4: be depressed if your pet died that you loved, and
Speaker 4: then your grandma died and then whatever is going on,
Speaker 4: or you're going through a divorce, or your children have
Speaker 4: done something that's really upsetting, Like you have to start
Speaker 4: looking at life differently. And I think this whole fake
Speaker 4: living is so just damn devastating. It's just so ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Everybody's fake as hell. Listen, it's I try not to
Speaker 4: overly edit like my face or like whatever on these
Speaker 4: or or to do like anything weird, because I know
Speaker 4: how that feels like you're always going to feel less
Speaker 4: than somebody else. There's always somebody better. It's true, like
Speaker 4: it's life, and you have to realize that, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: so what, but I'm great. I don't have to be
Speaker 4: comparing myself to eighty other like I am me saying.
Speaker 1: I agree, yeah, And that's that's a beautiful thing, because
Speaker 1: you know, when you have these things that you're going
Speaker 1: through in life, you should want to go with them,
Speaker 1: go through them and feel feel your emotions, feel normal feelings,
Speaker 1: be a normal person instead of having something that is
Speaker 1: going to dole you and numb you so that you
Speaker 1: can't feel anything at all. You can't feel joy, you
Speaker 1: can't feel sadness, You literally can't feel anything at all, nothing.
Speaker 4: And you wonder why you can't have an orgasm. Listen,
Speaker 4: you gotta get to a more natural state to be honest.
Speaker 4: You know, if you are blocking out the bad, bad, bad,
Speaker 4: you're also blocking out the good good good, unless it's
Speaker 4: if you're suicidal or something that's a different thing. But
Speaker 4: you know, even that you can come back from. It's
Speaker 4: not like a death sentence. I mean, you get you
Speaker 4: get better, you go in, they work with you. Like
Speaker 4: my stepson, you know, Will I'm sure get to that
Speaker 4: in a second. But he did come back from it.
Speaker 4: You know, he's okay now. And as long as he
Speaker 4: doesn't take illicit substances, he's just fine. He's not on
Speaker 4: other medication even though he's in full blown psychosis for
Speaker 4: a year.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and so even people that do have this,
Speaker 1: you know, the angelic visitation psychosis, and you had the
Speaker 1: break from reality and the disassociation and all of the
Speaker 1: things that make it a psychosis, it is fixable. It
Speaker 1: is treatable, and it's not a permanent thing. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be a permanent thing. They just have to know,
Speaker 1: like to what to do with you or what to
Speaker 1: how to treat you, how to treat you as an individual.
Speaker 4: That what happened, what happened to you? Yeah, that's what
Speaker 4: they need. So tell the truth.
Speaker 1: So here's the interesting thing about how quickly practitioners jump
Speaker 1: to diagnose people as this. The highest rate is er psychiatrist.
Speaker 1: They're the number one group that diagnoses people right off
Speaker 1: the bats. The fastest one. The second one is psychiatrist
Speaker 1: in private pack practice, and it's kind of in the
Speaker 1: moderate category. Therapists and psychologists are a little bit slower
Speaker 1: because it takes some time to get to, you know,
Speaker 1: questions and build that rapport in that relationship, and so
Speaker 1: of course it's going to be slower because relationship building
Speaker 1: comes first before addressing a problem. And the very slowest category,
Speaker 1: which I absolutely love, is holistic great holistic or integrative practitioners.
Speaker 1: And so if you see a holistic doctor, they're going
Speaker 1: to treat you as an individual and not as a
Speaker 1: group think type person. And so they're the very last
Speaker 1: category that would ever diagnose you with that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: right right, So, sou do you want to tell people
Speaker 1: about your kiddo?
Speaker 4: Yes, So I just wanted to mention because we did
Speaker 4: have and I'm going to push stop share or maybe
Speaker 4: I'm going to try. I always mess it up. Sometimes
Speaker 4: you have to do it.
Speaker 1: I'll boot you, okay.
Speaker 4: So whoa, whoa go and we're going through time time
Speaker 4: please travel. Yeah, So my step son really did go
Speaker 4: through this with psychosis, and he's given me permission to
Speaker 4: speak about it because I wouldn't otherwise, And it was
Speaker 4: as simple as all natural. Never did acid or anything.
Speaker 4: He did mushrooms and he did pot not together, but
Speaker 4: like this is the two drugs he would usually use,
Speaker 4: and he would use pot way too much. And I
Speaker 4: know he started using mushrooms more often than like once
Speaker 4: in a great while. I think it was a couple
Speaker 4: times a month or even once a week. And that
Speaker 4: you know, he was about eighteen going on nineteen, and
Speaker 4: he did he had a full psychotic break. We couldn't
Speaker 4: get him to do anything. He was staring at the
Speaker 4: wall like it was a TV. It was kind of terrifying.
Speaker 4: He wasn't showering. This was a kid that very much
Speaker 4: cared about how he looked and everything, and he stopped functioning.
Speaker 4: I mean, he wore the same sweater. When I see
Speaker 4: that sweat sometimes occasionally he'll wear it now. And it
Speaker 4: almost it like triggers ANSD. Because it was such a
Speaker 4: scary time in our lives where we didn't know if
Speaker 4: he was going to be okay, because he was that
Speaker 4: close to suicide. And I finally had to step in
Speaker 4: and say, like you you have to go in patient.
Speaker 4: And I didn't want to impatient him, you know, even
Speaker 4: though I know it's necessary for a lot of people
Speaker 4: and that's okay, but he was so young. He was
Speaker 4: on the borderline of like he just graduated. Pete's like.
Speaker 4: I didn't want to put him in a full blown
Speaker 4: place with him never having any kind of access to
Speaker 4: that type of situation because it would have scared him.
Speaker 4: He's a meeker person. And so we went ahead. In Utah,
Speaker 4: they do treat marijuana addiction, which is hysterical to me,
Speaker 4: but I'm glad. But it's kind of funny knowing how
Speaker 4: they are with everything else whatever. So we got him
Speaker 4: in patient psych for addiction, and it has changed his life.
Speaker 4: He now leads the addiction therapy. He's all about aa well,
Speaker 4: like whatever that would be, I guess na, And he,
Speaker 4: you know, has done so well and now he expresses
Speaker 4: his emotions that caught him up and all that in.
Speaker 1: The first place, okay, right, and puts it into music.
Speaker 4: But he did have religious psychosis, which is why I
Speaker 4: wanted to bring it up, because he knew a lot
Speaker 4: about God and he knew a lot about demons. But
Speaker 4: there was a lot of focus not at this house,
Speaker 4: on some different things, and I think he even did
Speaker 4: some of that to himself. Okay, but the demonic realm
Speaker 4: and then they would take these mushrooms and go with
Speaker 4: his friends and like go like fight demons in this
Speaker 4: other realm. Like this is the stuff he was telling us.
Speaker 4: It was bananas. And I remember telling my husband like
Speaker 4: this is so bad, Like this is so scary, you know,
Speaker 4: And he felt like he was doing a good thing,
Speaker 4: you know, because and I kept telling that command yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: And I kept telling him, you're a light. You got
Speaker 4: to remember what it says in the Bible that if
Speaker 4: if you you know, where do they go?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 4: These spirits go into the desert looking for a place
Speaker 4: to rest. And if they're in this darkness and you're
Speaker 4: a light because you have a soul, you know they're
Speaker 4: going to be attracted to that. Whether it gets in
Speaker 4: you because you're a believer is irrelevant. They're going to
Speaker 4: come back with you on the sidelines then, you know,
Speaker 4: and affect your life.
Speaker 1: And they did, and he really has.
Speaker 4: He actually almost became an atheist over this, which we
Speaker 4: were like devastated. We couldn't like pray or talk about
Speaker 4: God or anything. And he's came to a middle ground now,
Speaker 4: like he's kind of like, okay, yes, God is good,
Speaker 4: but like I'm not going to go over to that level.
Speaker 4: You know, he's he's always been a type of person
Speaker 4: that's all in. That's just who he is, and he's
Speaker 4: just really driven and he has to stay away from
Speaker 4: these things. And people think that it's fine. Okay, people
Speaker 4: think that it's no big deal or spice that one.
Speaker 4: My husband has you know, done recreational drugs when he
Speaker 4: was young, not anytime recently, but he even said that
Speaker 4: messed me up sometimes worse than like real drugs, like
Speaker 4: back in the day. You know, this stuff isn't a joke,
Speaker 4: like and people don't understand that it's not the weed
Speaker 4: your grandpa grew. Okay, yeah it's not. It's you know,
Speaker 4: tainted cross this and that and D D D who
Speaker 4: knows what chemicals and they're growing it all the time
Speaker 4: and hydroponic stuff and like, look, it's not coming out
Speaker 4: of the ground. People always say, well, pop comes out
Speaker 4: of the ground. I'm like, I bet that lot didn't.
Speaker 1: And if you have questions, you can go back and
Speaker 1: listen to our show about that they did. Because yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that don't don't and would
Speaker 1: never think that, uh pot is the problem.
Speaker 4: And they would never drink like a bad soda, which
Speaker 4: I'm naughty. I still look I'm not some way crazy naturalistic.
Speaker 4: I'd love to be, but I'm not. You know, I'm
Speaker 4: careful about certain things I do. Yes, there's certain things
Speaker 4: I don't like or wouldn't do, but this is highly
Speaker 4: your own personal decision and I still want to live sometimes.
Speaker 4: But also I'm not going out to crappy eating all
Speaker 4: the time like I do. Think there's something about cooking
Speaker 4: food with love and in your home, because yes, everything's tainted,
Speaker 4: even the vegetables from the highest most natural foods place whatever.
Speaker 4: Yeah you're yeah, you're right, But also that love and
Speaker 4: praying over food and all that stuff. It matters the
Speaker 4: water though, one hundred percent. I would not drink tap water,
Speaker 4: and I've said that a lot so and the Brita
Speaker 4: ain't gonna cut it like no offense, I'm sure, But
Speaker 4: you need reverse osmosis water, especially if your children are growing,
Speaker 4: like if they're young and not solidified in their hormones.
Speaker 4: Because like everybody laughed at Alex Jones, but you might
Speaker 4: want to look at the frog's gay story again. But
Speaker 4: it's nothing against gay people. Yeah, no, I'm just saying
Speaker 4: it makes you want to change your actual sex for
Speaker 4: certain reasons because of certain hormones. And he was right, like,
Speaker 4: if you look up that drug, I can't remember the
Speaker 4: name of it right now, it starts with a kN A,
Speaker 4: But if you put in the frogs are gay drug,
Speaker 4: it'll come up. But yeah, I know how it sounds, man,
Speaker 4: But these frogs literally turned from male to female because
Speaker 4: of a lack of the population, and they're like with
Speaker 4: their whole species to like procreate and change over to
Speaker 4: like enable their species to continue. And then they're putting
Speaker 4: that kind of stuff in everything they you know, why
Speaker 4: are they putting? And me and Janet have done this
Speaker 4: and our weight loss shows and other shows about lizard
Speaker 4: DNA or chicken DNA or whatever they're doing. You know,
Speaker 4: this is all really nefarious when you pull it.
Speaker 1: Apart right one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: And he is okay now, by the way, that's.
Speaker 1: You know, and that in itself is a blessing because
Speaker 1: that's a lot of stuff to go through and I'm
Speaker 1: sure terrifying for him, and probably even well after he
Speaker 1: was better.
Speaker 4: Oh still sure, sure, I know we don't. We can't
Speaker 4: talk about certain conspiracies around him. We can't talk about
Speaker 4: certain things around him because it freaks him out. It
Speaker 4: reminds him of that time, like specially demonic realm stuff
Speaker 4: like even though it's true, like he doesn't want to
Speaker 4: hear that, he'll do God, that's okay, And we have
Speaker 4: to meet people where they're comfortable. You know, I'm not
Speaker 4: gonna do that to him. But also he's careful about himself.
Speaker 4: He doesn't go and put himself in those situations anymore.
Speaker 4: You know, I definitely learned. He just had another baby.
Speaker 4: He's a father and has you know, his girlfriend and
Speaker 4: him or a cute little family, and and thank heavens
Speaker 4: because that was a really scary time. Like even if
Speaker 4: I bring it up to my husband now and he's
Speaker 4: a big strong guy, Janet's seeing him. He's his big
Speaker 4: meathead and I'll tell you, you want to see somebody
Speaker 4: cry like a baby Like that is the most terrified
Speaker 4: we have ever been for that.
Speaker 1: Well, and there's a lot in that situation. You know
Speaker 1: that that brings that horrible fear over parents when they're
Speaker 1: you know, watching their kids going through something like that,
Speaker 1: watch being a parent and seeing your kids deal with
Speaker 1: anything is terrible, but especially when it's something like that.
Speaker 4: Where especially when they're adults. Yeah, yeah, because you cannot
Speaker 4: fix it for them, and you will not be able
Speaker 4: to fix everything for them. It's just like with my daughter,
Speaker 4: like there's something that I can't fix there and there's
Speaker 4: nothing I can do, you know, and all I can
Speaker 4: do is say I love her and pray and some things.
Speaker 4: That's all you can do, you know, be proactive. If
Speaker 4: you can do what you can, work through what you can,
Speaker 4: and what you can't, you.
Speaker 1: Give to God one hundred percent. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: share my story, not my personal story, but someone that
Speaker 1: I know that I was friends with for quite a while,
Speaker 1: had the angelic visitation psychosis happened. She believed that she
Speaker 1: was speaking to the archangel Gabriel and Michael, and that
Speaker 1: these two angels at different times were speaking to her
Speaker 1: through her husband, and that she got pregnant, and she
Speaker 1: fully believed, and no one could tell her any differently,
Speaker 1: that the baby that she was pregnant with was going
Speaker 1: to be the savior of the world and the Satan
Speaker 1: slayer demon slayer and was going to raise up an
Speaker 1: army to fight Satan's minions and the whole nine yards,
Speaker 1: and it like listening to her talk about it, it
Speaker 1: was the every time you would listen to her, it
Speaker 1: was the craziest thing. And these conversations with the angels
Speaker 1: would literally go on for hours every time she had
Speaker 1: this thing, and they were literally moving her husband's lips
Speaker 1: and talking to her the whole time. The thing about
Speaker 1: her is she did a lot of marijuana, and I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of marijuana. Like literally, if you've ever
Speaker 1: seen anybody like chain smoke like a vape pin, and
Speaker 1: it's like every two seconds, all the time, all day long.
Speaker 1: That's her and her cannabis. Use. I went on a
Speaker 1: trip with her one time and she literally went through
Speaker 1: like fifteen of the vape pins, dad pins what.
Speaker 4: I you call.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big I'm not real versed in that realm,
Speaker 1: but anyway, it was like those and it was like constantly,
Speaker 1: like all the time.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: And so not only did she have the hallucination, she
Speaker 1: was having the delusions, she started getting uber paranoid and
Speaker 1: like everybody was out toget her and all these deans
Speaker 1: were surrounding them and attacking them and whatever, and so
Speaker 1: she got the uber altered perception of reality and what
Speaker 1: was really going on. It was almost kind of like
Speaker 1: she was living in a fantasy realm type thing. And
Speaker 1: like I said, since she thought that they were telling
Speaker 1: her that this baby was a savior, was gonna slay
Speaker 1: Satan and all of that stuff, she felt like the
Speaker 1: virgin Mary. She felt like she was the chosen one, right.
Speaker 1: And so did she have a history of mental illness
Speaker 1: prior to that, yes? Was it ever properly addressed?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Did she have trauma?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Was that ever properly addressed.
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Hence the copious amounts of marijuana. And and so she
Speaker 1: went through the whole nine yards and lost a lot
Speaker 1: of friends and whatever. She got very violent physically verbally
Speaker 1: the whole nine yards. I don't know if she ever
Speaker 1: got treatment, but I do know that she actually lost
Speaker 1: the baby.
Speaker 4: From all all stuff. So that would be so devastating too.
Speaker 4: On top of it, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: So and that's like, you know, it was crazy because
Speaker 1: like she would record like four hour long videos where
Speaker 1: her husband is sound asleep and supposedly talking to her
Speaker 1: and whatever, and like pushed away a lot of family,
Speaker 1: a lot of friends, and she Wow, believe that they
Speaker 1: basically like she was given like prophecy from these angels
Speaker 1: as to how the world was going to play out
Speaker 1: and what roles they were going to play, and.
Speaker 4: If she was healthy and not like not having all
Speaker 4: these issues and not using drugs and not, like there's
Speaker 4: so many And I hate to say that because like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're not weighing in on either side, and people aren't
Speaker 4: real like that, but it's so individualized. You know, are
Speaker 4: you conjuring, are you using illicit substances? Are you using
Speaker 4: whatever the thing is? Like what are you doing to
Speaker 4: have that happen? Because clearly I believe that Mary saw
Speaker 4: an angel, you know, I mean like yeah, but also
Speaker 4: this other stuff is all also mocking because what what
Speaker 4: does the devil do? You know?
Speaker 1: Turns everything upside down?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and copies copy, copy, copies. So it doesn't surprise
Speaker 4: me that there's you know, other religions, almost all of
Speaker 4: them that have seen angels on me, but they had
Speaker 4: to pay a price, right like Jehovah's Witnesses, it's Michael
Speaker 4: and and they have done some really weird stuff with
Speaker 4: that whole religion. And then you know, with Islam and everything,
Speaker 4: it was Gabriel and you know, I mean, but they
Speaker 4: also like did polygamy whether or not, and they you know,
Speaker 4: hold down women, they do. I'm sorry, like that religion
Speaker 4: oppresses people, not just women, right, and you know, they
Speaker 4: have loopholes that are really weird. And I'm not you know,
Speaker 4: saying my ex religion wasn't weird too, Joseph Smith and
Speaker 4: polygamy and all the weird things and and his son's
Speaker 4: death and like all this stuff. You know, it's always
Speaker 4: a price, even with John d even with Crowley, Like
Speaker 4: if it is a price to be paid, I don't
Speaker 4: think that's a kind of loving God. And then people
Speaker 4: will come at you and say, well, look at the
Speaker 4: Old Testament. Look, you can justify it however you want.
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, I think there's
Speaker 4: a lot of dark forces in this realm.
Speaker 1: We have to be careful one hundred percent. And you know,
Speaker 1: like we talked about earlier, there's a big difference between
Speaker 1: that actual spiritual awakening and the psychosis portion. And if
Speaker 1: you're one of those people, that is, if you're confident
Speaker 1: in who you are, and I don't mean conceited, but
Speaker 1: I mean confident in who you are and you have,
Speaker 1: like after an encounter like that, and you decide that
Speaker 1: you know, you're going to change your life for the better.
Speaker 1: You're going to start helping people. You know, you're going
Speaker 1: to be more patient, You're going to be you know,
Speaker 1: more loving, more kind, more gentle, all the things right
Speaker 1: that God wants us to be. That's a spiritual awakening.
Speaker 1: That is not psychosis. A psychosis is when you just
Speaker 1: lose all perception of reality, you lose all individuality, all creativity,
Speaker 1: and you become under the control and manipulation of something else.
Speaker 1: It's not a good force that's controlling that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not control. It shouldn't never be control. So yeah,
Speaker 4: I don't know. It's a fine line, but it's something
Speaker 4: that needs to be addressed because I think it happens
Speaker 4: to more people than we know.
Speaker 1: Oh one hundred percent. So, Darling, I really appreciate you
Speaker 1: spending time with me again. Love you.
Speaker 4: Much. Love.
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Speaker 4: Of course? So everybody. I am Heidy love of the
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Speaker 4: So you should see us there. They shouldn't see us there,
Speaker 4: Yes they should. Where will see you.
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