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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty and this is KFI AM six forty Bill Handle.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a footy Friday, November eighth. Quick reminder, Neil

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<v Speaker 2>and I will well. Neil will be broadcasting The Fork

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<v Speaker 2>Report tomorrow. I'll be joining him as guest host co host,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's from two to five o'clock in the afternoon

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<v Speaker 2>at the Wild Fork in Laguna Neguel. Some great giveaways.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll be grilling. They're going to give away a green egg,

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<v Speaker 2>the barbecue green egg, Zelman's minty Mouth Mints will be

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<v Speaker 2>there and Neil and I will be there, So stop by,

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<v Speaker 2>say hello, get some free food.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe we didn't buy Costco and have them do some

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<v Speaker 1>of their samples there.

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<v Speaker 2>I went to Costco yesterday and man, they were doing nuggets.

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<v Speaker 2>And as soon as the nuggets came out of that

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<v Speaker 2>little oven and were put on.

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<v Speaker 1>The tray, there was some mad dash.

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<v Speaker 2>It looked like a soccer match in which your team

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<v Speaker 2>lost and.

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<v Speaker 1>People were killed.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, Governor Newsom, our governor is calling a special session

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<v Speaker 2>of California lawmakers. Let me tell you how pissed off

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<v Speaker 2>lawmakers are, because December second, everybody gets sworn in. Thank you, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>swore on the Bible. Yeah, pull a constitution, YadA, YadA, YadA,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're a new assemblyman or a assembly person or

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<v Speaker 2>a senator state senator. And then everybody goes home and

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<v Speaker 2>hangs out for the fan with the family until the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning of January when the normal session starts. The governor

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<v Speaker 2>can call a special session, which he did so folks,

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<v Speaker 2>No December second. There he has asked for special session

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<v Speaker 2>to increase state funding for litigation against the incoming Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because Governor Newsom and others and I anticipate that

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is going to seek limit to seek to limit

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<v Speaker 2>access to abortion, dismantle environmental protections, which he is going

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<v Speaker 2>to do, and to shield California from the Trump White House.

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump and California have been in a war for

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<v Speaker 2>a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>Trump does not like California. Why is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Because California are the elitist Democrats California. Do you know

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<v Speaker 2>why they come out? California is a non issue politically,

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<v Speaker 2>It is the bluest of the blue state. It always

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<v Speaker 2>goes to the Democrat automatically. So why would nominees come

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<v Speaker 2>out because of fundraising?

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<v Speaker 1>Because of Hollywood, because.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the zillions of dollars that are given to campaigns,

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<v Speaker 2>and every one of those except for very very few,

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<v Speaker 2>where do you think they go. They went to Kamala,

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<v Speaker 2>they go to the Democrat. And so Trump does not

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<v Speaker 2>like California. And he has said that he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>do everything he can to make life here in California hard.

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<v Speaker 2>He only had he already did that in his first administration.

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<v Speaker 2>Where it used to be that our state income tax

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<v Speaker 2>was deductible, our insanely high income tax was deductible.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, under the Trump administration and.

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<v Speaker 2>The irs rules were changed to where you can only

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<v Speaker 2>deduct up to ten thousand dollars in state income tax.

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<v Speaker 2>Now these are for the high earners. These are for

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<v Speaker 2>people who give money to the Democrats. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>same issue goes with it used to be it was

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<v Speaker 2>unlimited deduction for.

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<v Speaker 1>Your property taxes.

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<v Speaker 2>That's now ten thousand dollars, and you pay more than

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<v Speaker 2>ten thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>You buy a house here in Burbank, a two bedroom,

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<v Speaker 2>one bath houses a million dollars just down the street.

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<v Speaker 2>So you buy a two million dollar house and you're

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<v Speaker 2>paying twenty thousand dollars in property tax. I know that's insane,

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<v Speaker 2>but not here in southern California. Well, instead of a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five thousand dollars reduction, you get ten thousand dollars deduction.

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<v Speaker 1>That was Trump and now it's going to be crazy

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<v Speaker 1>because here is the fear.

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<v Speaker 2>The fear is that Trump is going to withhold money

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<v Speaker 2>for firefighting, fire mitigation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he probably will.

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<v Speaker 2>He is going to certainly reduce the regulations for environmental protection.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. The move that the.

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<v Speaker 2>Governor has said, I'm sorry the governor Newsom.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was to.

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<v Speaker 2>Make California neutral in terms of fossil fuel use by

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirty five. There have to be all electric cars. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>how much money do you think comes in to create

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<v Speaker 2>alternative forms of energy? Federal money comes in to help

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<v Speaker 2>grants research projects, Loans come in to the state from

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<v Speaker 2>the fa he Chow baby all gone. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>governor is asking lawmakers to provide additional funding to the

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<v Speaker 2>California Department of Justice and other agencies, which is really

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<v Speaker 2>weird to begin litigation against the Trump administration. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there were one hundred lawsuits filed one hundred during the

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<v Speaker 2>first Trump administration by California. Now, does this really do anything. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to change anything. Lawsuits, But what do

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<v Speaker 2>they need extra money to file lawsuits? One hundred lawsuits

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<v Speaker 2>during the first Trump administration.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course not.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a given. And so the fight continues. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>is there a legitimate lawsuit. Let's say you do have

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<v Speaker 2>fire mitigation and other states, depending on their population, get

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<v Speaker 2>X dollars from the federal government, and California does not

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<v Speaker 2>file a lawsuit.

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<v Speaker 1>What do the judges do? Well, Trump's put enough federal

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<v Speaker 1>judges up there. Where are they gonna say? No, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be a fight. It's gonna be a war,

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<v Speaker 1>and a big one.

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<v Speaker 2>Be prepared for a fight. If you are a liberal,

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<v Speaker 2>if you are a moderate, be prepared for a fight

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<v Speaker 2>with the Trump administration. If you are an illegal immigrant,

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<v Speaker 2>you've already lost because you're going to be deported. If

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<v Speaker 2>you are in favor of anything dealing with the environment

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<v Speaker 2>or dealing with fossil fuels, you've lost because you now

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<v Speaker 2>have a different administration going the other way. That's all

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<v Speaker 2>welcome for four years. Welcome to America, Welcome to democracy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how it rolls, all right. Now, a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>things are going to happen in the aftermath of the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump election on Tuesday, and one of the questions is

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<v Speaker 2>what happens to Trump's criminal and civil cases? President Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>president elect Trump, what his criminal and civil.

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<v Speaker 1>Cases now that he's being re elected.

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<v Speaker 2>And he had said that as soon as he has

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<v Speaker 2>sworn in, within the first two seconds, he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>fire Jack Smith, who's.

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<v Speaker 1>A special prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 2>The biggest case against Trump criminally was the classified documents case,

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<v Speaker 2>in which the former president and now newly elected president

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<v Speaker 2>took those boxes of classified documents and there was no

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<v Speaker 2>way he was getting out of there because they are

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<v Speaker 2>the boxes. His defense was, I'm president and I can

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<v Speaker 2>do whatever I want.

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<v Speaker 1>And there was a Supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>Court decision that, well, would it be appropriate under these

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<v Speaker 2>circumstances that would be an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>So there he is.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump saying, within two seconds, I'm going to fire

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<v Speaker 2>Jack Smith, the prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 1>He's not. He's not going to fire him because Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Smith is quitting.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't fire me. I'm quitting first. No, no, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>firing you. No, I'm quitting. No, No, I'm firing you.

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<v Speaker 2>He has already wrapped it up. The second the election

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<v Speaker 2>announced Jack Smith that was already making plans to wrap

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<v Speaker 2>up the investigation. It's not just you dismiss it. Now

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<v Speaker 2>you have the issue of a sitting president. You also

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<v Speaker 2>have an issue of a sitting president accused of that crime.

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<v Speaker 2>And the special prosecutor was looking into that, and he

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<v Speaker 2>can do one of two ways, and obviously he's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do one. Just shut down, shut down the prosecution. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>just order the special prosecutor shut it down. Fire the

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<v Speaker 2>special prosecutor. Jack Smith's going to quit and it disappears.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there could be a conviction and he pardons himself,

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<v Speaker 2>which of course is not going to happen. So those

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<v Speaker 2>are gone. All the federal cases are gone. How about

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<v Speaker 2>the state cases. He cannot order those stopped. If he

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<v Speaker 2>is convicted, he cannot pardon himself because it's a state

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<v Speaker 2>jurisdiction and he can't get excuse me, he can't get

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<v Speaker 2>out of a civil judgment. And there's a beauty sitting

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<v Speaker 2>there of four hundred million dollars against Jane Carroll or

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<v Speaker 2>that Jane Carroll has against him for defamation, four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty four million, And that was a civil case

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<v Speaker 2>that was brought by the New York Attorney General.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's a lot of money. Is he gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>out of that. No.

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<v Speaker 2>The other one that's really interesting is the payoff the

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<v Speaker 2>hush money case. While he was running for president, Stormy

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<v Speaker 2>Daniels was going to go out there and talk about

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<v Speaker 2>the affair that she had with Donald Trump. She is

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<v Speaker 2>a porn actress, actress that what they call them, adult actress.

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<v Speaker 2>She's basically a woman who has sex in front of

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<v Speaker 2>a camera as opposed to sex on a street corner.

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<v Speaker 2>And Trump is alleged to have sex with her, and

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<v Speaker 2>she says it happened.

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<v Speaker 1>He denies it. I don't know how many people believe him,

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<v Speaker 1>but he denies it.

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<v Speaker 2>And then it was Michael Cohen who paid her one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and thirty thousand dollars to shut up. And Trump

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<v Speaker 2>was convicted did of falsifying business records because what he

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<v Speaker 2>did is he ducted the money that he paid Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Cohen as a business expense and then it was actually

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<v Speaker 2>used as a payoff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a falsification of business records.

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<v Speaker 2>Convicted thirty four counts of it, and he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be sentenced at the end.

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<v Speaker 1>Of this month.

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<v Speaker 2>And now the question will be of course, appeals will

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<v Speaker 2>be filed instantly.

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<v Speaker 1>Canna sitting president even be sentenced.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the judge, merchant has well, he's given himself until

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<v Speaker 2>what next week to figure out whether he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>sentence Trump or not. But let's say, since he is sentenced,

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<v Speaker 2>could there be jail time?

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<v Speaker 1>There could?

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<v Speaker 2>Is there going to be jail time? And how does

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<v Speaker 2>a judge order a president to.

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<v Speaker 1>Go to jail? Of course he doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, I don't know if this would

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<v Speaker 2>be jail time for anybody else that don't know the

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<v Speaker 2>rules of the state of New York. What I do

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<v Speaker 2>know is that if there is a sentencing, what's going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen is going to be held off until Trump

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<v Speaker 2>leaves office because the entire issue of a sitting president

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<v Speaker 2>being sentenced is so.

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<v Speaker 1>New, it's such an outlier case.

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<v Speaker 2>Well again, when's the last time we had a convicted felon,

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<v Speaker 2>a womanizer, just outright womanizer, a liar, And he has

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<v Speaker 2>lied numerous times, just right out there now. Most of

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<v Speaker 2>his followers just don't care. But when you put it

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<v Speaker 2>all together, you wonder. And I have friends who truly

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<v Speaker 2>are flabbergasted. Not that Donald Trump is Donald Trump, and

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<v Speaker 2>he ran for office, but that he won the election,

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<v Speaker 2>and he won it handily. He took all seven of

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<v Speaker 2>the battleground states. He won the popular vote. And here

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<v Speaker 2>I am and Instagram posts. I mean, people are very

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<v Speaker 2>very upset, crying way beyond just a political win.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see what happens. So my guess is.

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<v Speaker 2>Sentencing will be I held off until after he is

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<v Speaker 2>out of office.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the way I think Merchant is going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>He could just dismiss the case. I don't think he's

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<v Speaker 2>Trump just ripped into him and said horrible things about Merchant.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait for that. It's going to be very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting what's happening. The two are not friends. One of

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<v Speaker 2>wrong side of Donald Trump. He's very good at making enemies,

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<v Speaker 2>Is he actually going after those people? Is he actually

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<v Speaker 1>Out every illegal migrant that that is going to fill

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<v Speaker 2>And as I said, we are in for such a

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<v Speaker 2>being elected because it's a guarantee that those of us

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<v Speaker 2>a lot to talk about. I mean a whole bunch. Boy,

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<v Speaker 2>what a week this has been. Of course, the big

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<v Speaker 2>story the election of Donald Trump is our forty seventh president,

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<v Speaker 2>so he's number forty five and forty seven.

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<v Speaker 2>is going on. Things are changing, for sure. One of

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<v Speaker 2>so his allies.

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<v Speaker 1>And some people in the private sector.

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<v Speaker 2>Are preparing for the massed attention and the deportation.

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<v Speaker 1>Of illegal aliens, illegal migrants. It's gonna be huge.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see what happens practically and real quickly. Neil and

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<v Speaker 2>In going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Miguel giving away. They'll be grilling, there'll be party yours.

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<v Speaker 3>Green Egg will be out there, including Craig Fritz, Craig

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<v Speaker 3>the Egg. He's gonna be out there grilling up wing lamb.

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<v Speaker 2>No.

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<v Speaker 1>Neil was so excited about this he could take I

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<v Speaker 1>know you are. I am too. All right, let's move

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<v Speaker 1>into the topic for a long time. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>move into the topic.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a CNN topic and it talks about

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<v Speaker 2>atheist chaplains, which is kind of interesting because how can

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<v Speaker 2>who is a chaplain in a palliad palliative care unit

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<v Speaker 1>What he does is he is an atheist and he

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<v Speaker 1>is a chaplain.

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<v Speaker 2>Now let's say if I were an atheist and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not a big believer, that's fair to say. And what

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<v Speaker 2>he does is does what other chaplains do? How will

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<v Speaker 2>I cope with the pain and suffering that a company's

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<v Speaker 2>advanced illness? The answer is drugs, lots and lots of drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>There's your answer. Did I do right by my dying

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<v Speaker 2>family member?

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<v Speaker 1>How the hell do I know? What do I look like?

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<v Speaker 2>Did I accomplish that I experience everything I wanted to do?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not? What will happen after I die? What will

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<v Speaker 2>happen after I die? Two words? Worm food?

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<v Speaker 1>That's what happens after I die?

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<v Speaker 2>Or look at your fireplace, a lot of ashes there.

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<v Speaker 1>So now this is why I'm not a chaplain. So

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<v Speaker 1>could be I'm still trying to do and Nil's a producer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Marginal spiritual advice on The Jesus Show and to this day,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't let me do that, Neil.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, because you know there's no place in spirituality

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<v Speaker 3>Macha Filipino for doing karaoke.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there is. How do you know Jesus didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of humor? Let me tell you.

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<v Speaker 4>The Old the Old Testament, the Old Testament, God, he

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<v Speaker 4>had a sense of humor. Okay, Abraham and Isaac, kill him,

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<v Speaker 4>kill your son, stab him in the heart.

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<v Speaker 1>There goes a knife. Hey, just kidding. I Oh, you

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<v Speaker 1>were gonna do it too, What a dummy.

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<v Speaker 3>No, there's two reasons I know Jesus, Jesus or God

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<v Speaker 3>has a sense of humor. One, the duck build Platypus.

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<v Speaker 3>Two you have a star on the Walk of Fame

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<v Speaker 3>and Marconi.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, pretty much.

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<v Speaker 3>Now it's nothing though. The term chaplain is a spiritual term.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's where we're gonna go. That's where I want

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<v Speaker 1>to listen.

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<v Speaker 3>They're a therapist or a counselor, that's fine, but your

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<v Speaker 3>I've always said atheism is an emotional decision, not an

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<v Speaker 3>I also believe that when you use terms spiritual terms,

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<v Speaker 3>basically what you're doing is you want a faith and

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<v Speaker 3>I think a theism does have faith involved in it.

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<v Speaker 3>You want to faith without consequences, And that's fine if

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<v Speaker 3>that's what you want to do, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>a noble cause to want to help people.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let me ask you this. I know, I know

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<v Speaker 1>that you are a man of faith. Uh, and I

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<v Speaker 1>am I know you are. We've had this discussion many times. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you see uh, someone who is an atheist being

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<v Speaker 2>a chaplain?

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<v Speaker 1>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>And our people Christians and Jews uh and Wickens uh

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<v Speaker 2>willing to accept a chaplain who does not believe in

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<v Speaker 2>God as a chaplain, not as a counselor uh, just

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<v Speaker 2>someone in the chaplain.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a it's a game of words.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like saying an atheist priest or listen, all chaplains

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<v Speaker 3>are pastors. Now, not all pastors are chaplains, but all

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<v Speaker 3>chaplains are pastors. And in this case, you're trying to

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<v Speaker 3>shoehorn into a religious body, a religious structure with non

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever, and a lot of people don't. It's they can't

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<v Speaker 2>meld the two. For example, one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I have talked about counselor. There are plenty of Christians

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<v Speaker 2>specifically who base morality on the belief in God and Jesus,

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<v Speaker 2>or even just the belief in God. If you're non Christian,

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<v Speaker 2>and you cannot be moral unless you are religious. In

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<v Speaker 2>other words, morality if you're a an atheist doesn't fly well.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a hard time explaining why something would be

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<v Speaker 3>if there's no transcendent. It's like trying to say, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a carpenter, but I don't believe in rulers or any

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<v Speaker 3>form of measurement. I mean, where do you get the

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<v Speaker 3>measurement from if you don't believe in an ultimate measuring

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<v Speaker 3>guide that is universal because you.

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<v Speaker 2>Got because I think someone knows what is social.

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<v Speaker 1>Norms and what is good and what is bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Social norms well, social norms in Germany in nineteen thirty five.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand.

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<v Speaker 2>But there again, but that didn't make the generation of

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<v Speaker 2>I see a kitten on the road, and I actually

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<v Speaker 2>swerve my car not to hit that little kitten. Surprisingly,

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<v Speaker 2>that is a morality call. I believe, what all right?

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<v Speaker 3>What would have happened. If this is the kitten, I

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<v Speaker 3>would have hit a kitten. Okay, but there's no there's

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<v Speaker 3>no morality there. You had morality in making the decision,

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<v Speaker 3>But where does that come from?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay? This is the stuff. This is the stuff that.

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<v Speaker 2>Neil and I talk about on a regular basis, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's always fun and we'll pray you know what, Let's

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<v Speaker 2>do that while we're cooking on the big green egg.

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<v Speaker 2>And what came for here is when you cook, what

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<v Speaker 2>are you going to cook on the egg?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you gonna grill?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to be grilling anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Are they going to be grilling? Are they going to

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<v Speaker 1>be grilling chicken? Yes? Okay? So what came first? The

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<v Speaker 1>chicken or the egg? The chicken? Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Now there is a story AP came out with AAP

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<v Speaker 2>News and it's about returnless refunds. You don't like a

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<v Speaker 2>product where it's not working and you want to return it,

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<v Speaker 2>and the seller, Amazon, Target, whatever says, you know, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>send you another one. Keep it, just keep it. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>that just happened to me. I bought one of those

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<v Speaker 2>rolling carts with the maple top, the cutting board top,

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<v Speaker 2>sent me one where the doors don't close, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it's from Wayfair. Called them up and said we have

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<v Speaker 2>to return it, and they said, no, not worth.

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<v Speaker 1>It, keep it. We'll send you another one. So now

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<v Speaker 1>I have two of those.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, the door doesn't open with the second

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wondering if I go for the hat trick.

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<v Speaker 2>More and more retailers are using this returnless refunds to

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<v Speaker 2>pay shipping fees, processing time, ballooning costs from return of products.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's simply a question of money.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it worth it for the retailer to take it back,

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<v Speaker 2>ship it and send it back to the manufacturer in

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<v Speaker 2>most cases where in many cases no. But here's why

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<v Speaker 1>It's not policy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's on a case by case basis, and that gives

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<v Speaker 2>to return it, Okay, return it.

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<v Speaker 1>Someone else calls up a few minutes later with the.

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<v Speaker 2>Same product and has the same complaint, wants to wants

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<v Speaker 2>to have a new one. Yeah, you got to return

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<v Speaker 2>it first. So what's the difference. Who makes that decision?

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<v Speaker 2>How is that decision made? Well, they look at who

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<v Speaker 5>Not inexpensive, by the way, My other two printers all

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<v Speaker 1>I think we got it, and I say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>this thing doesn't work, go ahead and keep it. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>send you another one.

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<v Speaker 2>You think that's gonna happen, No, it's for goods that

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<v Speaker 2>would cost more.

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<v Speaker 1>To ship and process. That's it. It's strictly numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>And they keep you honest because they figure out who

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<v Speaker 2>you are. Have you done this before, how much shopping.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you do if you're a big shopper on this platform,

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<v Speaker 2>on Amazon versus Walmart? They want to keep you happy.

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<v Speaker 2>So the I'm gonna find out if I get a

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<v Speaker 2>new one, I'm gonna call you know what. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>call Best Buy and say, hey, I'm not happy with

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<v Speaker 2>my printer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not work.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, why don't you send me another one? What do

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<v Speaker 2>you think is gonna happen? And I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>ship it back.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they're they're gonna go, is this bill handle? And

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<v Speaker 3>you'll go yes, and they'll go it's user error, you idiot.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh yeah, I was, Uh oh yeah, that's but no

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<v Speaker 2>ask an.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very good at setting getting the printing all on

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<v Speaker 2>my own.

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<v Speaker 1>It used to be I needed someone here. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>used to hire someone when.

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<v Speaker 2>I had I had a studio in Orange County. Still do,

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<v Speaker 2>but I actually do the work myself. So there, Neil,

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<v Speaker 2>I actually know how to print. She sends me a PDF.

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<v Speaker 2>I look at it, I press the button, I go

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<v Speaker 2>down to print, and then go up to print, press

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<v Speaker 2>that button, and the son of a gun prints.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, that's not that's not me doing shtick.

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<v Speaker 2>That is legitimate. I actually used to pay someone and

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<v Speaker 2>now I have Lindsay here, and she used to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>and she actually taught me how to do it because

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<v Speaker 2>she actually wants to sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>God that what I said. You can't blame her for that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I can? Okay, all right, I'm done.

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