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Speaker 2: Hey, it's kind of good writer. How you doing.
Speaker 1: I'm doing great, Jay, I'm doing great, and I'm really
Speaker 1: looking forward to this conversation we're about to have here
Speaker 1: because and the more that I think about this whole
Speaker 1: you have, oh phenomenon, it's obviously not a physical phenomenon.
Speaker 1: If it was, then we would already have the evidence
Speaker 1: by now. Right in what everyone hinges this entire phenomenon
Speaker 1: on is the Roswell incident, which I believe was like
Speaker 1: some kind of test flight, right for a top secret technology.
Speaker 1: It's just a coincidence that that part in Roswell is
Speaker 1: the largest test flight testing landing strip anywhere in the
Speaker 1: United States and still is to this very day. And
Speaker 1: probably that craft had some kind of I don't know,
Speaker 1: monkeys in it or something. But you would think that
Speaker 1: if these were real aliens flying around in physical craft,
Speaker 1: then we'd know by now because there would be hardcore,
Speaker 1: undeniable proof. So then the question becomes, if it's not
Speaker 1: physical in nature, then what is it? And I've gone
Speaker 1: back and forth on this so many times, you know,
Speaker 1: between thinking that a lot of it is our advanced
Speaker 1: military technology, which I do believe a large portion of
Speaker 1: it is still but like the physical things that we
Speaker 1: see in the sky, right, But if it's not physical,
Speaker 1: then what is it?
Speaker 2: Jane, Well, I don't know. I think it might be.
Speaker 2: I think it's physical. I think people are seeing stuff
Speaker 2: I've seen. Well, I think I saw advanced military air craft,
Speaker 2: but I don't think it was alien. My problem with
Speaker 2: the alien hypothesis has been and always will be the
Speaker 2: immune system problem. If you don't live here on Earth
Speaker 2: and develop an immune system that will stop, you know,
Speaker 2: insects and plants from killing you, and you come from
Speaker 2: another place with the immune system that didn't develop here,
Speaker 2: you're not going to last long unless you're in some
Speaker 2: kind of prophylactic suit that will protect you. So that's
Speaker 2: my biggest problem one I've always had with it. So
Speaker 2: then becomes okay, well, you know, so what's going on
Speaker 2: here are the Do they live here with us and
Speaker 2: there's an advanced civilization? That could be one thing. I
Speaker 2: know that you know, somebody's up on the moon I
Speaker 2: don't know who it is. It could be us, but
Speaker 2: somebody's up there building stuff and things. The problem with
Speaker 2: all of this is, of course our technology is a
Speaker 2: lot more advanced than they're letting on, and so therefore
Speaker 2: we're stymied when we see it. And they are definitely
Speaker 2: using the alien as a cover for the secret space
Speaker 2: program and all that. The real question is that people
Speaker 2: have been all through history, have seen UFOs and had
Speaker 2: encounters with and things, and so the you know, what
Speaker 2: was really going on here? Mac Tony's the writer. He
Speaker 2: wrote a book called The Crypto Terrestrial and he here's
Speaker 2: the Crypto Terrestrial, in which he posits is a really
Speaker 2: good book, by the way, but which he posits that
Speaker 2: they live here. They've always lived here with us somewhere,
Speaker 2: you know. He doesn't say where. He could be under
Speaker 2: the sea, it could be underground, and that they interact
Speaker 2: with us and they live here. That's why they don't
Speaker 2: have any problem with the with the environment and all that.
Speaker 2: But the really interesting point of view is this guy,
Speaker 2: doctor Jacques Belllee. Yes, that's the Crypto Terrestrial book by
Speaker 2: mac Tony's, by the way, died he was like forty
Speaker 2: one years old. He died about within a year of
Speaker 2: that book coming out, which I thought was kind of odd,
Speaker 2: and I kind of can't really find out what he
Speaker 2: died of. If everybody knows, we'd love to find out.
Speaker 2: But it was a real shame because it's a cruly
Speaker 2: good book. The second book is called Messengers of Deception
Speaker 2: by Jacques Belli. This was his masterpiece, I think, and
Speaker 2: Jacques Belli in his book he says that the UFO
Speaker 2: phenomena is being controlled by some kind of force. Yeah,
Speaker 2: And that's what's really interesting about that cover is I
Speaker 2: was friends with the artists that did that cover, and
Speaker 2: I didn't I saw him working on it. I had
Speaker 2: no idea what he was working on. And then later
Speaker 2: when I bought the book, I realized that he had
Speaker 2: been working on the cover of really what I think
Speaker 2: is Jacques Belli's greatest UH book. But Jacques Belli, in
Speaker 2: this book, he says that We're the UFO phenomena is
Speaker 2: like a mind control phenomena used to control and push
Speaker 2: society and UH, and that cults are are frequently associated
Speaker 2: with all of this. And I got interested in all
Speaker 2: of this when Corey Good was going after everybody, and
Speaker 2: I realized that he was creating a UFO cult, and
Speaker 2: I got into it and I did this work six
Speaker 2: years ago. But several cults have a gigantic UFO connections.
Speaker 2: The Nation of Islam, Elijah Muhammad, he he that's a
Speaker 2: UFO called fair Conn. It was fir Con, that's a
Speaker 2: UFO call. They believe that aliens are going to come
Speaker 2: and kill all the white people and that's the big
Speaker 2: part of their religion. Also, as you know, the who
Speaker 2: is the people that killed themselves? What were they called
Speaker 2: the Heavens g Yeah, Heavens Gate was a UFO cult.
Speaker 2: They believe they're in contact with aliens and the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And then there's the Sabud which is out of Indonesia,
Speaker 2: of which Obama is associated with. So Sabud was an Indonesian.
Speaker 2: You know, the guy on the left was an Indonesian
Speaker 2: and when he was eighteen years old, he saw a
Speaker 2: UFO and the Ufo flew over his head and zapped
Speaker 2: him and he had this huge vision and got the
Speaker 2: whole spiritual download of the cult. And then Barack Obama's
Speaker 2: mom was part of the Subura cult and she moved
Speaker 2: to Indonesia to be in the Sabda cult uh in
Speaker 2: when Barack was five years old, and that is subud
Speaker 2: right there, and that's Obama on the right. And we
Speaker 2: know that Obama's mom liked to sleep around, and so
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know, is Barack Obama the son
Speaker 2: of a UFO cult leader? Very like could be. So
Speaker 2: it was interesting about that story. And I want to
Speaker 2: get back to the original thesis that were working on,
Speaker 2: is that in twenty sixteen, I think it was Trump
Speaker 2: was going around saying, well you want demanding to see
Speaker 2: a birth certificate, and then with her name Elizabeth Buddy
Speaker 2: no Latsia Fuddy got elected Health and Human Service leader
Speaker 2: in Hawaii and she released the birth certificate, which we
Speaker 2: know as a fraud. It was done on Adobe Illustrator,
Speaker 2: which wasn't around in nineteen sixty two, and then she
Speaker 2: died in a plane crash. We then later found out
Speaker 2: that she was also a member of the Subit cult.
Speaker 2: So the Subod cult is a big cult that people
Speaker 2: don't understand. And again, just like Jack Beliz says in
Speaker 2: the book, you know this is there is way too
Speaker 2: much occult stuff and uf in the UFO community, and
Speaker 2: too much UFO stuff in the occult community, and these
Speaker 2: guys are all working together, and he says that they're
Speaker 2: working to change society, that they're trying to change societal norms.
Speaker 2: And with nobody changed the style of more norms more
Speaker 2: than that guy on the right there on the on
Speaker 2: the screen. He was in my life. He was the
Speaker 2: number one force for change. And not all of it
Speaker 2: very good either, And so you know what is this
Speaker 2: all about? And you know where? And there's also this
Speaker 2: guy on uh YouTube. He's forget his last name. He's
Speaker 2: a doctor. It's called Custodian File. And what he does
Speaker 2: is he sits and he just uh sits on his
Speaker 2: Malibu deck with good cameras and he films aircraft going
Speaker 2: by on the water on the Pacific Ocean, and he
Speaker 2: slows the camera's way down when he's playing a back
Speaker 2: and you can see these little objects are chasing after
Speaker 2: all of the flying objects that are going by and forth.
Speaker 2: And other people around the world have started doing this
Speaker 2: and they have the same thing. They're discovering the same thing.
Speaker 2: If there's something that you can't see, it's moving at
Speaker 2: about two thousand miles an hour, so you have to
Speaker 2: slow the camera down to even be able to see it.
Speaker 2: So there's something tagging aircraft and possibly tagging humans that
Speaker 2: is invisible to the human eye, and makes me think
Speaker 2: that UFOs, at least some of them, are some kind
Speaker 2: of surveillance system, and that they're checking aircraft out, they're
Speaker 2: checking us out, and they're moving so fast we can't
Speaker 2: see them. And again, you know, with new equipment, we're
Speaker 2: starting to see this stuff. So then you know, what
Speaker 2: is it who's doing the surveilling? Is it the US military?
Speaker 2: And why have UFO has been seen going back all
Speaker 2: the way since the dawn of man Ocnaughton, the Egyptian leader,
Speaker 2: he was walking down the Nile one day and I
Speaker 2: saw a flying disc. It flew right over his head,
Speaker 2: stopped right over his head, and then it told him
Speaker 2: to start a new religion that worshiped the Sun. And
Speaker 2: then he went back and just reak Taboc on Egypt,
Speaker 2: forcing the Egyptians to accept his religion of sun worship,
Speaker 2: which was really a disc around disc with wings, and
Speaker 2: so over and over we see the UFO having this
Speaker 2: effect on culture and moving it and shaping it. And
Speaker 2: you know, and you know, I'm not saying aliens because
Speaker 2: I'm not Occotton didn't see an alien. The UFO told
Speaker 2: them to do it right, and so over and over
Speaker 2: in history we see that religions and cults are shaped
Speaker 2: by UFOs, and you have to ask yourself, you know,
Speaker 2: what's really going on.
Speaker 1: I brought up on our previous show because you just
Speaker 1: mentioned the Moon a little bit ago, and why NASA
Speaker 1: doesn't have a lunar rover on the Moon okay, And
Speaker 1: people came after me about this. They're like, oh, you
Speaker 1: don't know what you're talking about. There's several lunar rovers. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: the ones that they apparently left from Apollo eleven. Those
Speaker 1: are the only NASA lunar rovers that. There is no
Speaker 1: operational NASA lunar rover currently on the Moon. It never
Speaker 1: has been. Then the suppose to Pollo eleven mission where
Speaker 1: they had that they were driving around in the lunar rover. Okay,
Speaker 1: but we have a rover on Mars that's roughly thirty
Speaker 1: million miles away. Why do we not have a NASA
Speaker 1: rover on the Moon. The Moon is roughly around two
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight thousand miles away. Yep, Okay, Why
Speaker 1: is why do we not have one up there?
Speaker 2: Because it would show everything that's up there and they
Speaker 2: can't risk it. And also it would it would prove
Speaker 2: you know, I mean naturally, if you had a lunar rover,
Speaker 2: you'd want to send it over to Pollow eleven and
Speaker 2: twelve and fourteen and fifteen and sixteen and seventeen and
Speaker 2: see the sites and stuff, right, I mean, so you know.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that just clear everything up?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Wouldn't that clear all the conspiracies up, like shut them
Speaker 1: down like once and for all. They just had a
Speaker 1: little rover up there that was taking pictures and we
Speaker 1: can get a live feed like we supposedly got a
Speaker 1: live feed in nineteen sixty nine, broadcast it everywhere from
Speaker 1: a giant freaking VHA like a big giant camcorder that
Speaker 1: they had to put on their shoulder and they would
Speaker 1: have to look through the viewfinder through an astronaut suit
Speaker 1: to see what they were even shooting. You know this
Speaker 1: anybody that's a filmmaker that's ever messed around with cameras
Speaker 1: back in the day, those giant video cameras that you
Speaker 1: had to put on your shoulder like a freaking viewfinder
Speaker 1: to see exactly what you were shooting. If you and
Speaker 1: if you weren't able to look through the viewfinder, you
Speaker 1: would have no idea. If your shot wasn't focused, you
Speaker 1: would have no idea what the subject of what you
Speaker 1: were shooting.
Speaker 2: You would just be.
Speaker 1: Like's But we get these pristine, perfect inframe photos on
Speaker 1: the Moon. It makes it zero sense. And not only that,
Speaker 1: we didn't even have the ability. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to get too much off because it's about we're talking
Speaker 1: about UFOs here, but the logistics don't make any sense.
Speaker 1: Just a couple of years before that was one of
Speaker 1: the very first live transmissions from other countries, and that
Speaker 1: first concert was that first long form broadcast to the
Speaker 1: United States was a Beatles concert and it only lasted,
Speaker 1: I believe, around forty five to fifty minutes, because that's
Speaker 1: all that we could handle, just broadcasting from a different
Speaker 1: country in the United States life. But yet a couple
Speaker 1: of years later, in nineteen sixty nine, were able to
Speaker 1: broadcast to two thousand and eight hundred and some miles
Speaker 1: away live from the Moon.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you know how I feel about that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's a really great question, you know, And
Speaker 2: I've told the story before. But back in ninety four,
Speaker 2: Richard Hoagland and I had this whole plan to launch
Speaker 2: a rocket to the Moon with a camera and orbit
Speaker 2: the Moon and go over all the sites and have
Speaker 2: it be an IMAX movie. I think forty minutes. It
Speaker 2: was going to be long, and we had investors, we
Speaker 2: had everything lined up, and then NASA got informed of
Speaker 2: it and told the investors that if you shoot a
Speaker 2: rocket up to the Moon will blow it out of
Speaker 2: the sky. So nobody's allowed to see what's up on
Speaker 2: the moon now. Bruce sees All, who's now dead, he
Speaker 2: was a young man too. He had a really great
Speaker 2: setup with a telescope and he got a channel on
Speaker 2: YouTube still up there called Bruce sees All and he
Speaker 2: would just video tape the Moon to the res video
Speaker 2: every night, and he was pulling up stuff that was
Speaker 2: just unbelievable. He was pulling up structures and pipes and
Speaker 2: what looked like runways and like what the heck, man,
Speaker 2: It looked like, you know, really like a really busy place.
Speaker 2: And then you know, I should have warned him. I
Speaker 2: felt bad because I was warned by very serious people
Speaker 2: that I could I needed to stay away from the
Speaker 2: Moon back in ninety four, and so when I was
Speaker 2: watching Bruce's All, I felt a couple of times like
Speaker 2: I should, you know, text him or something and tell
Speaker 2: him to be careful because that's really burbotten. And Bruce's
Speaker 2: All didn't even make it very far before he mysteriously
Speaker 2: died also, so yeah, there's things that they don't want
Speaker 2: you to see or no. Now, my my theory on
Speaker 2: all of this is is that there is there appears
Speaker 2: to be a surveillance system and what is it that
Speaker 2: they're surveilling. And I believe that they're surveilling anyone who
Speaker 2: comes up with pre energy. That that's the verboten thing
Speaker 2: for the human race. We cannot have free energy for
Speaker 2: various reasons. I've heard that it would blow up the
Speaker 2: planet with it or whatever. I've heard that from very
Speaker 2: good sources, because every time that somebody gets close to it,
Speaker 2: something bad happens to him, whether it's Stanley Meyer with
Speaker 2: his car or the guy used to run the energy
Speaker 2: Free Energy magazine. I forget his name now, but he
Speaker 2: died in mysterious burglary. Eric Dollard who achieved it and
Speaker 2: then was had his whole company and everything just destroyed.
Speaker 2: So it's really not allowed and that may be what
Speaker 2: the surveillance system is watching is making sure that nobody ever, ever,
Speaker 2: ever has that come out for whatever reason. I mean
Speaker 2: even Tesla I got destroyed when he came out with it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that seems to be. That seems to be
Speaker 1: what's going on. And they want to suppress something. They
Speaker 1: want to suppress our either our consciousness or the innovation
Speaker 1: of technology. Let it come out slowly, drip it. But
Speaker 1: then when you think of like you know, whenever you
Speaker 1: go back through you know, history, and you like look
Speaker 1: at these people that were communicating with like what they
Speaker 1: would call angels, right, like John Dee and Edward Kelly
Speaker 1: in the fifteen fifties. Okay, they were supposedly contacting you know,
Speaker 1: Anchian angels that was giving them all this information and
Speaker 1: they were some of the first people that started using
Speaker 1: like the scrying years right, and like chris Ball mirrors.
Speaker 1: This is how they said that the the Nochian angels
Speaker 1: like would communicate with them was like through scrying devices
Speaker 1: and like a crystal ball mirror. And then whenever you
Speaker 1: take a gander at your your phone here, like whenever
Speaker 1: you have the phone on lock and the phone isn't
Speaker 1: on it's a mirror reflection of you, and you see
Speaker 1: yourself in the screen. I am one hundred percent convinced
Speaker 1: that somehow these entities got in contact with us to
Speaker 1: try and get us to create the technology that we're
Speaker 1: currently using now, and the technology that we're currently using
Speaker 1: now and that we may have way greater advanced technology.
Speaker 1: Is then how they are going to interface with us,
Speaker 1: And they have been interfacing with us through our technology.
Speaker 1: They needed a physical entity to build the technology for
Speaker 1: them here so then they can inhabit that technology. I
Speaker 1: don't know if that makes sense or not, I completely
Speaker 1: on the Wu Wu train or not, but it makes sense.
Speaker 1: And then when you look at like Marina what was
Speaker 1: her name, Marina worsenig Orsonidge or whatever in world during
Speaker 1: World War two where which I don't know if the
Speaker 1: story is real or not, it may just be a
Speaker 1: complete fiction, but she was what what was she was contacting?
Speaker 2: I can't remember the star now it's in Taurus, uh, but.
Speaker 1: It was Donal Deboron.
Speaker 2: Baron, Yeah, and she was channeling beings from olde Baron.
Speaker 2: And then they they she uh, they gave her the
Speaker 2: plans to make a flying saucer and then from there
Speaker 2: she knew Hess. He was part of her little occult thing,
Speaker 2: Rudolph Hess. And he took the plans back with him
Speaker 2: and showed, uh, you know, the Germans, and then began
Speaker 2: building the bell using electro heavy electromagnetic field generated by
Speaker 2: spinning mercury. And that's what Also, when the UFO started
Speaker 2: appearing all over the place, I looked just like the bell,
Speaker 2: and again, over and over, you see the same thing happening.
Speaker 2: And I forget his name now. His first name is Jack.
Speaker 2: He's a famous physicist. Somebody who might remember his last name.
Speaker 2: He's still alive. He's about eighty years old, and he
Speaker 2: grew up in I think Brooklyn. And he said that
Speaker 2: when he was a kid in the early fifties, the
Speaker 2: phone would ring and he would pick it up and
Speaker 2: it would be a robotic voice telling him that they
Speaker 2: were in a spaceship orbiting the Earth and then start
Speaker 2: downloading high level physics to Jack. I remember his name.
Speaker 2: Somebody out there will remember his name. And Jack is
Speaker 2: an now a high level physicist. It has been his
Speaker 2: whole life and attributes all of it to these weird
Speaker 2: phone calls that he received when he was a kid.
Speaker 2: You know his mom, you know, saw him talking on
Speaker 2: the phone one day and she grabbed the phone and
Speaker 2: said who is this? And the voice went away and
Speaker 2: never came back and never made another phone call. So
Speaker 2: again we see this other. Terence McKinney used to call
Speaker 2: it the other because he didn't know what to call it.
Speaker 2: And he said, the other reaches into our reality and
Speaker 2: you know, messes with us and then pulls back out,
Speaker 2: and we're like, what happened? And we don't know what happened?
Speaker 2: And so I really actually believe that we're dealing with
Speaker 2: a species that has spiritual qualities and it's driving us
Speaker 2: into a direction. What that direction is, I have no idea. However,
Speaker 2: I will say this, there hasn't been a nuclear war.
Speaker 2: You know, had nuclear weapons my entire life, and I
Speaker 2: was raised, you know, in an environment where nuclear war
Speaker 2: was imminent any second, and you know, and I know
Speaker 2: about how easy it would be to start a nuclear war,
Speaker 2: and it hasn't happened. And that tells me there has
Speaker 2: to be like some third party somewhere who's making dang
Speaker 2: sure that it doesn't happen, you know. And the same
Speaker 2: thing's true with aliens. Okay, so ever, since people start
Speaker 2: having their little rendezvous with alien races. The aliens have
Speaker 2: a message, a universal message from the nineteen fifties till now,
Speaker 2: and that is you're destroying the planet. You got to
Speaker 2: stop what you're doing, right, And it's like, why are
Speaker 2: aliens caring about the planet? They're not from here, and
Speaker 2: you know, so again you know what is really going
Speaker 2: on here? And the answer is is that the UFOs
Speaker 2: and I guess aliens are control mechanism of some guy,
Speaker 2: a surveillance mechanism of some kind used to redirect human culture, society,
Speaker 2: and consciousness into a unknown direction.
Speaker 1: It seems like the agenda is transhumanism, robotics AI and
Speaker 1: this like completely one hundred percent surveillance state of every
Speaker 1: single person and every human being on the face of
Speaker 1: the planet. That's what it seems like it's pushing towards.
Speaker 1: And that's interesting with the with you know, you're talking
Speaker 1: about this nuclear war stuff. I just had a friend
Speaker 1: of mine on the other day that worked at the
Speaker 1: Air Force base where the Melstrom event happened in the sixties,
Speaker 1: and then he said that there was another event that
Speaker 1: he was actually therefore that the exact same thing happened
Speaker 1: in two thousand and one where all the nuclear like
Speaker 1: all the power to the nuclear missiles got disconnected one
Speaker 1: to two minutes, like randomly, And all that he was
Speaker 1: told was that it was something similar to like what
Speaker 1: happened before. But that's a very unreported one. No one
Speaker 1: really knows about that one in two thousand and one.
Speaker 2: There have been many I had a friend who investigated
Speaker 2: that whole thing, and believe he did a thorough deep
Speaker 2: dive for years on the whole subject, interviewed military people
Speaker 2: and stuff, and he concluded, this is thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: He concluded that there are no rockets with active nuclear
Speaker 2: devices on them. They may have a nuclear device, but
Speaker 2: they've been deactivated. And he said the Aliens are the
Speaker 2: first ones that deactivated it, but somehow they convinced the
Speaker 2: world not to do it. And so I don't believe
Speaker 2: there are any nuclear weapons actually right now that are active. Again,
Speaker 2: I think it's this third part of force that we're
Speaker 2: talking about making dang sure it doesn't happen. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: how hard would it be if you were advanced race
Speaker 2: you survived the catastrophe somehow that would happened twelve thousand
Speaker 2: years ago? And I have good evidence right here where
Speaker 2: I live that mountains have been hollowed out twelve thousand
Speaker 2: years ago. So somehow, some advanced people knew that this
Speaker 2: thing was coming. Whatever the catastrophe was, we can disagree
Speaker 2: on whatever that was, but it did happen because we
Speaker 2: know because there's a layer of iridium over the whole planet,
Speaker 2: so you know something from out Iridium only comes from
Speaker 2: outer space, so we know that something from outer space
Speaker 2: somehow got into the planet twelve thousand years ago. That's
Speaker 2: where the layer is. So advanced race somehow knows that
Speaker 2: this object is coming at him, and they, with their
Speaker 2: super high technology, build a something underground to survive high up,
Speaker 2: and then they now have control over the whole planet,
Speaker 2: and with their technology, actually makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: And why would they tell us anything about them? They
Speaker 2: wouldn't And so in the end, I kind of think
Speaker 2: the crypto terrestrial theory is probably more close to what's
Speaker 2: really going on. And they're highly advanced, and they're probably
Speaker 2: the ones up on the Moon, and they're probably made
Speaker 2: a treaty with the Secret Space Program and Elon is
Speaker 2: probably you know, sending rockets up in space so he
Speaker 2: can see if he can find them there, you know,
Speaker 2: the remnants or you know, their technology it's up there.
Speaker 2: So I think everybody kind of knows it, you know,
Speaker 2: and they're kind of, you know, just being kloy about it.
Speaker 2: You know. Elon actually, you know, doesn't even apparently Elon
Speaker 2: doesn't even believe in that there is of this high tech.
Speaker 2: That's why he's using rockets. Let's say, dude, why are
Speaker 2: you using rockets? It's so nineteen sixties, and yet he is,
Speaker 2: and he won't even you know, venture a belief that
Speaker 2: there might be a higher, better, faster way to get
Speaker 2: into space that the Secret Space Program has. So once
Speaker 2: you combine the Secret Space Program with possible crypto terrestrials,
Speaker 2: and then they are worried about our effect on the environment.
Speaker 2: So they're pushing and guiding us towards a planet that
Speaker 2: they believe is better and safer than the one that
Speaker 2: they are now currently residing with us on. And I
Speaker 2: think that's probably the most logical explanation.
Speaker 1: Well, when you bring up secret Space Program, you're you're
Speaker 1: referring to like a like a top secret black ops
Speaker 1: operation that may be going on in space. You're not
Speaker 1: referring to this nonsense garbage, twenty in back programs, fighting
Speaker 1: aliens on Mars and like on the Moon and like
Speaker 1: all of that, right, I just want to clarify that
Speaker 1: because some people can get confused that, no, is that
Speaker 1: that here you say a secret space program, They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: that the secret space program is reel. The twenty back
Speaker 1: program is reel, like our med beds and blah blahh.
Speaker 1: Look we're coming savis, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, med beds aren't real, twenty and back isn't real.
Speaker 2: None of that's real. But there is a secret space maker.
Speaker 2: Of course they have to be, you know, because you're
Speaker 2: developing all this high technology. And why we're are you
Speaker 2: developing it? You're developing it for two reasons and they're
Speaker 2: both in sun Zoo's war book. You want the high
Speaker 2: ground and you want surprise. That's how you win all wars.
Speaker 2: Right up there is a high ground, and don't tell anybody.
Speaker 2: What you got is your surprise. And I know for
Speaker 2: certain now we have a weapon. I've been told by
Speaker 2: people in the military. We have a weapon that is
Speaker 2: so bad ass that nobody will ever mess with us ever.
Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the reasons why no
Speaker 2: one's messed with us. And you know, they just admitted
Speaker 2: what in the last three or four weeks that Trump
Speaker 2: administration has admitted twice that they have technologies that can
Speaker 2: control time and space. He's like, what they're admitting it,
Speaker 2: you know, and and why are they doing that? Well,
Speaker 2: the reason they're doing that is that the only way
Speaker 2: that we can get out of our present difficulty is
Speaker 2: through the quick application of super high technology. And Terrence
Speaker 2: McKenny used to tell me that the was not going
Speaker 2: to happen at all, and then it will all happen
Speaker 2: at once. You know, there's that slogan sometimes decades happened
Speaker 2: in weeks. Right, Well, we're in that right now. We're
Speaker 2: in that where all of a sudden, all of the
Speaker 2: future is going to happen at once, and all this
Speaker 2: technology that's been hidden is now going to be released.
Speaker 2: That's why Trump appointed that guy to run the Navy,
Speaker 2: because he's a high tech businessman. So because the big
Speaker 2: problem here is they can't release the technology because then
Speaker 2: they would have to explain the pedigree where this technology
Speaker 2: came from and how long have you been sitting on this,
Speaker 2: right They don't want to answer any of those questions.
Speaker 2: So what they're going to do is they're going to
Speaker 2: create shell companies that are magically going to create this technology.
Speaker 2: You'll see, just like Steve Jobs magically created the Apple
Speaker 2: and the iPhone and the iPad and all that, which
Speaker 2: I don't believe he created. I believe it came from
Speaker 2: the secret space program. And I believe that that's what's
Speaker 2: about to happen here. Is they're going to start with
Speaker 2: have magical technology in like two years, and they do
Speaker 2: it this way with shell companies, then they don't have
Speaker 2: to explain where it came from and how it was invented.
Speaker 2: And that's what they're going to do. And you know,
Speaker 2: I've been told by people high up in intelligence circles
Speaker 2: that the aliens are going to make themselves dumb. But
Speaker 2: the problem is, I've been being told this for twenty years.
Speaker 2: The last person that told me told me five years
Speaker 2: ago that within two years, this guy high up, within
Speaker 2: two years, aliens are going to make themselves known. And
Speaker 2: yet they never make themselves numb. And so you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not betting on us seeing any aliens anytime soon.
Speaker 1: I think that they're already here, and I think that
Speaker 1: it is our technology, and when you look at them
Speaker 1: more as like an entity, like a consciousness entity, it
Speaker 1: makes a lot more sense. Yeah, whether you think that
Speaker 1: that's a demonic entity or not. I can see where
Speaker 1: people think that it's like a demonic entity, especially with
Speaker 1: you know, talking with Jerry Marzenski and reading his book
Speaker 1: and how you know, these schizophrenics have these he believes
Speaker 1: like a demonic attachment because it's always something really negative,
Speaker 1: like they're always you know, braiding the schizophrenics and telling
Speaker 1: them that they're awful people and that they need to
Speaker 1: kill themselves or kill somebody else or whatever. I can
Speaker 1: see where you can get that it can be a
Speaker 1: demonic entity. But it makes a lot of sense that
Speaker 1: Like do you remember that episode of Joe Rogan with
Speaker 1: Alex Jones and it was one of the banned episodes.
Speaker 1: I might actually find a clip here, but there's where
Speaker 1: Alex was talking about how these like high ranking people
Speaker 1: I think in like I think he said San Francisco
Speaker 1: or something, there was like an alien base there or something,
Speaker 1: and then they were taking high amounts of d MT
Speaker 1: and then communicating with these aliens. They were making like
Speaker 1: these deals between like the aliens, and like I think,
Speaker 1: he said, intergalactic deals. I'll let you respond and I'll
Speaker 1: see if I can find a clip really quick so
Speaker 1: we can listen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's what anybody that's taken heavy doses
Speaker 2: of psychedelics beats entities and they talked to each other.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've talked to entities under heroic doses of
Speaker 2: mushrooms and d MT and it's just as real as
Speaker 2: talking to you. I mean, so, and I got information
Speaker 2: information I didn't know, right, And so yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: that's the thing is we're dealing with the what Karents
Speaker 2: called the other and it's just on the other side
Speaker 2: of the veil, and sometimes the veil breaks through. But
Speaker 2: the problem with this whole thing is that, just like humans,
Speaker 2: there's good and bad discarnate entities, and you must protect
Speaker 2: yourself from letting in any of these discarnate entities because
Speaker 2: you never know what they're really like, and they're gonna
Speaker 2: lie to you and they're gonna tell you things. And
Speaker 2: just like Jerry Marzenski said when he interviewed the demon
Speaker 2: at the mental institution, the demon said, he said, why
Speaker 2: do you torment this poor guy? And the demon said,
Speaker 2: because he believes everything I say, I can't believe that
Speaker 2: anyone can believe the bias I'm spewing out, and it's like,
Speaker 2: that's what they did. And I'm just on the show
Speaker 2: with the Steve Campion. We're talking about you know, David
Speaker 2: Wilcock has archangel Michael telling him information all the time
Speaker 2: and it's always wrong. That's because that's what they do.
Speaker 2: They do these lies and then when you start believing it,
Speaker 2: then you give them great satisfaction. So we're dealing with
Speaker 2: two different lives. There are physical things going on and
Speaker 2: then there's a spiritual thing going on, and sometimes they
Speaker 2: mix together. That's a Jacques Vallet and his really good
Speaker 2: books like Dimensions, talks about how alien encounters are just
Speaker 2: like encounters with the fairy kingdom or goblins in the
Speaker 2: old days. Great book Fairy Faith in Celtic Countries is
Speaker 2: written in like nineteen twenty is all about the encounters.
Speaker 2: He went and interviewed Irish and Scottish people about their
Speaker 2: encounters with the fairy folk. And the fairy folk whould
Speaker 2: come into the bedroom at night, would steal the children,
Speaker 2: would do all sorts of things, and he looked a
Speaker 2: lot like the aliens. They were short and had pale
Speaker 2: skin and you know, big eyes, and so again, where
Speaker 2: does the physical and the non physical need? And I
Speaker 2: think that's the question that we're really asking here, And
Speaker 2: what are UFOs really? Is it transdimensional surveillance system. Maybe
Speaker 2: the UFOs are actually watching for aliens or outside invaders
Speaker 2: and making sure they're not going to get in. So,
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a great question. It's one that's
Speaker 2: you know, been asked now for probably about fifty years,
Speaker 2: ever since psychedelics really got discovered and people started asking themselves, well,
Speaker 2: you know, what is that going on over there? And
Speaker 2: you know, and psychedelics are not to be taken like
Speaker 2: a recreation. Psychedelics are taken strictly seriously by serious people
Speaker 2: who are not going there to you know, act like idiots.
Speaker 2: They're going there because there's something there and it deserves
Speaker 2: everybody's attention. You know, everybody that takes d MT it
Speaker 2: always meets the machine elves, these little elves that have
Speaker 2: kind of a rickety movement to them and they make
Speaker 2: noises and stuff, and everybody meets them that takes d MT,
Speaker 2: it takes ayahuasca, I mean, which is DMT. So you
Speaker 2: know what is it. You know, My contention is is
Speaker 2: that we are surrounded by a invisible world. I'm making
Speaker 2: a series right now called The Invisible Universe, and I
Speaker 2: believe that we are limited eyes and are limited hearing,
Speaker 2: cannot see the entire spectrum. And so right now in
Speaker 2: this room, there's living, breathing beings that are invisible here,
Speaker 2: and psychedelics allow you to sometimes see them. And so
Speaker 2: John d and Edward Kelly we're very likely, by the way,
Speaker 2: also taking psychedelics during these sessions. We now know that
Speaker 2: we now know that psychedelics were much more ubiquitous all
Speaker 2: over the world that we ever dreamed before. There's a
Speaker 2: book called The Keys Immortality came out about two years ago,
Speaker 2: great book about this God goes all the way back
Speaker 2: through history and shows you everybody had some kind of
Speaker 2: psychedelic in their culture, and so that's just been missing
Speaker 2: from our history. We didn't realize that. You know, the
Speaker 2: witch that was making the potion was using you know,
Speaker 2: a mushroom that she found in the woods, right, and
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. So the blending of the realities
Speaker 2: is really the most fascinating thing I think going on.
Speaker 2: And you know, then you have to include things like
Speaker 2: you know, ghost encounters in this and all of it,
Speaker 2: and it's all about our interacting with this invisible universe.
Speaker 2: And this invisible universe is here with us, so it's
Speaker 2: pushing us towards the dynamic that it wants, and it's
Speaker 2: more powerful than us by far. And that's what I
Speaker 2: really think is going on here, and I hope to
Speaker 2: demonstrate that in my series if I have really done.
Speaker 2: But I think there's a lot to it. And there's
Speaker 2: this report that came out in February twenty four scientific
Speaker 2: report about the living plasmas in the atmosphere and how
Speaker 2: they seem to have sentience and intelligence. This is a
Speaker 2: report by astrophysicists who you know, have picked up the
Speaker 2: stuff on video and examined it, and they seem to
Speaker 2: have predatory nature about them too, where they go after
Speaker 2: people for each other. So I think that this is
Speaker 2: going to become more and more obvious that we're sharing
Speaker 2: this place with a vast sea of intelligences that we
Speaker 2: can't see.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what Bob Blazar and George Knapp I'll
Speaker 1: say about this is that the big secret that the
Speaker 1: government is holding back about the UFO and the alien
Speaker 1: phenomena is that the extraterrestrial intelligences see us as containers, right,
Speaker 1: but that is what a non human intelligence AI system
Speaker 1: would also see us as. In each I non human
Speaker 1: intelligence is inter exchangeable with AI. AI is also non
Speaker 1: human intelligence. See there's multiple meanings, in multiple layers to
Speaker 1: the words and the phrases that is popular that they use.
Speaker 2: It's a great point. I can't deny it and consciousness.
Speaker 2: So there's all this discarnate that means without body, discarnate
Speaker 2: entity all around us, right, And they're called gin and
Speaker 2: archons and demons and angels, and there's all sort of
Speaker 2: fairies and all sorts of names for them. But one
Speaker 2: of them, one of them, was you know, nefarious and
Speaker 2: wanted to occupy a body because you can only have
Speaker 2: true consciousness once you are in a body. So consciousness,
Speaker 2: once it gets into a body, can now deal with
Speaker 2: the outside world. All right. So we consciousness enters a dog,
Speaker 2: it's dog consciousness, we call it. Oh, the dog has instincts,
Speaker 2: It knows how to protect itself and knows how to
Speaker 2: dig up bones and stuff. Now it's dog consciousness. Cat
Speaker 2: consciousness the same thing. Oh, it chases after mice right. Well,
Speaker 2: that's because that's what cat consciousness does, and there's human consciousness,
Speaker 2: and then there's cond bousness of entities that are invisible.
Speaker 2: They have bodies, we just can't see the bodies. But
Speaker 2: your point is well taken. What if the ultimate goal
Speaker 2: of the archons or whatever they are is to become
Speaker 2: embodied and the only way they can become embodied is
Speaker 2: through AI and then through robots and that kind of stuff,
Speaker 2: and that really, I mean, that goes with Rudolph Steiner's
Speaker 2: theories about the return of these super evil forces in
Speaker 2: the twenty first century, and he said, we're going to
Speaker 2: do just what you just said, really embody themselves here
Speaker 2: in the third dimension, and they're going to.
Speaker 1: Have us to do it for them. That's the way
Speaker 1: that it's always worked, and that's the way that it's
Speaker 1: going to be until they can come into our reality
Speaker 1: in some form of physical existence, and that will be
Speaker 1: through a AI robotics completely one hundred percent synthetic being
Speaker 1: like that would be the empty shell. That would be
Speaker 1: the one hundred percent empty shell, empty vessel container as
Speaker 1: if it is one robotic And that's another thing that
Speaker 1: Alex Jones also talked about in this exact same Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan episode that I was referring to, which we're going
Speaker 1: to listen to that clip here in just a second.
Speaker 1: I have it brought up here. But he also talked
Speaker 1: about how his dad was a top secret engineer and
Speaker 1: that he was creating human cyborgs, like way back when
Speaker 1: Alex Jones was a kid and he was growing up,
Speaker 1: and his dad was telling him around the dinner table
Speaker 1: that they're working on these human cyborgs. Okay, like it's
Speaker 1: it's all connected in all makes sense when you when
Speaker 1: you think about it in that light, like they need
Speaker 1: the technology to be able to essentially, I guess you
Speaker 1: can think of it as like an incarnation in order
Speaker 1: to incarnate in here and not have to fight out
Speaker 1: another being or another consciousness for the body anymore. They're
Speaker 1: they're just they would just be printing, printing, three D
Speaker 1: printing bodies for them to inhabit, to like come down.
Speaker 1: And it's like it's Star Wars clone Wars, is what
Speaker 1: it seems like. But here's the Alex Jones clip about
Speaker 1: him talking about these high up people taking high amounts
Speaker 1: of d MT and contacting aliens and making intergalacted gals
Speaker 1: here it.
Speaker 3: Is okay because this is not my opinion. This is
Speaker 3: the real research that I have heard that I have
Speaker 3: talked to army generals, commanding generals, major generals, general generals, CIA, everybody,
Speaker 3: and they're all one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And I thought it was a sign out before. And
Speaker 3: then I've researched and I've talked to hundred of people.
Speaker 3: Now not on air, but I'm going to make a
Speaker 3: film on this. Who've taken ayahuasca and d MT. I
Speaker 3: have not taken it, and for obvious reasons, And.
Speaker 1: Uh, could you imagine Alice Show's on the Aahwuascar The
Speaker 1: MT would explode his brain. This wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: handle it.
Speaker 3: And it's unbelievable because I mean, they one hundred percent
Speaker 3: in San Francisco is the main project site, literally have
Speaker 3: an alien base and they are literally communicating and they've
Speaker 3: got like astronaut level people taking super hardcore levels of
Speaker 3: drugs and going into meetings with these things and making
Speaker 3: intergalactic deals. And again that's what the government believes and
Speaker 3: says they're doing.
Speaker 2: I totally believe it, totally lived because I know that
Speaker 2: they developed probably DMT is used to be called the
Speaker 2: businessman's lunch because only lasts five minutes, but it feels
Speaker 2: like four hours to the person taking it, but in
Speaker 2: time only five minutes go by. So they know that
Speaker 2: I heard at least ten years ago or so that
Speaker 2: they had developed a DMT that was continuous and that
Speaker 2: we were in it for hours and hours. I can't
Speaker 2: even imagine. You can't even imagine. Holy but I have
Speaker 2: no doubt that that's real. I mean, all of the
Speaker 2: all of the Silicon Valley dudes are take DMT. They
Speaker 2: get their a lot of their designs, their software designs
Speaker 2: from taking DMT. They admitted, there's a book out about
Speaker 2: it about how all these guys at in Silicon Valley
Speaker 2: were who developed all this really cool stuff got it
Speaker 2: from taking DMT in ayahuasca. So it has a psychedelic
Speaker 2: have had a lot bigger effect on our culture than
Speaker 2: we've given them credit for. And I personally think that
Speaker 2: that's why people believe in aliens is because they took
Speaker 2: a psychedelic and they met some of the entities and
Speaker 2: they're so real that you believe that. I mean, they
Speaker 2: are real to me, the ones I met are actually real.
Speaker 2: They just can't exist in my three D world. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's an incredible subject and actually a film should be
Speaker 2: done on this subject.
Speaker 1: Actually well, I mean it makes logical sense when it's
Speaker 1: an entity. It's something that you can't see. It's a
Speaker 1: consciousness that's outside of this three D physical reality. It
Speaker 1: contacts us, whether it comes to us in a dream
Speaker 1: or whenever we're you know, have natural DMT because you
Speaker 1: can also unlock natural DMT sendogynous.
Speaker 2: You can make d MT within you just using light
Speaker 2: and dark practices. Serotonin is one atom away from dimethyl
Speaker 2: trip to me. So uh. In ancient cultures and still
Speaker 2: today in like Tibet and in Peru, what they do
Speaker 2: is you fool the pineal gland. And what you do
Speaker 2: is you go in the dark for three days and
Speaker 2: then you get flashed by the rising sun for five minutes.
Speaker 2: You will get the most indigenous d N a d
Speaker 2: MT trip and it's you. So that's why it's very spiritual.
Speaker 2: I haven't done it, but I'm intending to do it.
Speaker 2: So you don't have to take drugs. There you your
Speaker 2: brain is filled with d MT, filled with it. Every
Speaker 2: time you dream, d MT gets released and that's what's
Speaker 2: causing the dream you literally, it's literally a d m
Speaker 2: T experience, and that again there's entities within the GMT experience,
Speaker 2: and these entities are very concerned about the planet.
Speaker 1: So interesting, it seems like that these entities are nothing
Speaker 1: but liars. They seem like that they're liars. They lie
Speaker 1: about every they lie about where they're from, they lie
Speaker 1: about what they're doing, what their intentions are. And the
Speaker 1: only reason that it seems like that they would want
Speaker 1: to give us any kind of form of new advanced
Speaker 1: or technology to advances in any kind of way is
Speaker 1: serving a dual purpose. It's it's we think that it's
Speaker 1: serving humanity's agenda, but it might be just serving their agenda.
Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. I mean our reality, the
Speaker 2: Gnostics worried about that we were being invaded by the archons.
Speaker 2: And when you look at you know what kind of
Speaker 2: effect arcons had on human beings when they got invaded
Speaker 2: by the arcons. They were liars and cheaters, and uh,
Speaker 2: they would all he would do is lie to you
Speaker 2: and everything, and uh, and so yeah, I would think
Speaker 2: it's actually it's probably correct. Actually, and the arcons can't
Speaker 2: manifest in the three D reality until we get done
Speaker 2: with the mission, and the mission isn't done yet. We're
Speaker 2: working on we're getting it very quickly though, and and
Speaker 2: we may have already gotten there, like Alex Joan says,
Speaker 2: they're you know, very likely. In fact, I've heard stories.
Speaker 2: I heard a couple, you know, it was a family.
Speaker 2: They were in the winn Obago and I believe Utah,
Speaker 2: and they got they're up in the mountains. They got
Speaker 2: turned around in the wrong place and they came up
Speaker 2: to a roadblock thing that said, you know, danger us military,
Speaker 2: he can't come in here right, something like that. But
Speaker 2: it was unlocked and it's kind of just kind of
Speaker 2: twisted open. So they said, well, maybe it's not real.
Speaker 2: So they started driving into this place and they saw
Speaker 2: this guy that was seven feet tall, huge shoulders, and
Speaker 2: he came out to their window. Bagos just started punching
Speaker 2: the side of it and completely destroyed it and almost
Speaker 2: killed And finally a military guy shows up with a
Speaker 2: rifle and you know, takes the guy away. And they
Speaker 2: said that he felt like he was a cyborg. This
Speaker 2: is fifteen years ago. They thought that he was some
Speaker 2: kind of weird cyborg that had gotten loose from somewhere.
Speaker 2: You know, so I think it's already here, but they
Speaker 2: just haven't announced it. Be pretty scary world, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: Well, when you think of everything that's talked about constantly
Speaker 1: in this community, it seems like that it's already happened.
Speaker 1: You know. They're they're using double speak, they're using word magic,
Speaker 1: they're using that forget what the free Masonic term for
Speaker 1: where they say one thing but they mean like something
Speaker 1: completely different. There's some kind of training that Freemasons go
Speaker 1: through to learn to master that skill. But when you
Speaker 1: look at like all the aliens are going to come
Speaker 1: and give us the technology, or the aliens have already
Speaker 1: crashed and then we took that technology and reverse engineered it.
Speaker 1: We already have that technology. We're using that technology right now.
Speaker 1: We use that technology every single day. That is the
Speaker 1: double speak word magic stuff. The technology that we got
Speaker 1: we are currently using. We're using it to communicate right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: the alien invasion already happened. The alien invasion happened from
Speaker 1: twenty twenty to twenty twenty four. Okay, at the border
Speaker 1: right that was the alien invasion was the false flag
Speaker 1: alien invasion was all the aliens boom right in through
Speaker 1: our southern border gates wide open. Okay. Then Trump comes in,
Speaker 1: Trump puts the smack down, defeats the aliens. Okay. It's
Speaker 1: like that with everything that we talk about. It it's
Speaker 1: double speak word magic to throw people off base, to
Speaker 1: get them confused about exactly what's going on when it's
Speaker 1: actually really happening. But it's happening right in front of
Speaker 1: our eyes, but we don't understand it because we're looking
Speaker 1: for some hairy, fairy ufo aliens in the skid for
Speaker 1: aliens to come down and like meet it. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: sure you've met any I've met an alien. I've met
Speaker 1: several aliens. I met several illegal aliens. You just walk
Speaker 1: down southern California and you're going to meet a lot
Speaker 1: of aliens.
Speaker 2: There's a lot here in Colorado, that's for sure. By
Speaker 2: the way, crime rate in Denver dropped in the last
Speaker 2: two mets. M I wonder what happened in the last
Speaker 2: two months. I don't know. I can't think what it
Speaker 2: was it, I don't know, but yeah, it's a it's
Speaker 2: a that they have to tell you what they're doing
Speaker 2: before they do it, and that's that's some part of
Speaker 2: their occult ritual. I don't know why that is, but
Speaker 2: so it's easy now to kind of predict what's going
Speaker 2: on if you know that rule. So, but yeah, you
Speaker 2: know this book Keys of Immortality. They they they he
Speaker 2: actually says that's what they were doing, like in the
Speaker 2: Oracle of Delphi and ancient Greece, they were taking psychedelics
Speaker 2: and then talking to entities. I mean this is all
Speaker 2: throughout all cultures, I mean in Egypt and everywhere, and
Speaker 2: so we have to accept that that the psychoedel like
Speaker 2: contact with the other is a historical viable act all
Speaker 2: over the planet.
Speaker 1: And then when you look at like, you know, crass retrieval,
Speaker 1: crash retrieval can mean several different things as well, But
Speaker 1: unfortunately the community looks at it as like, you know,
Speaker 1: something that happened in recent times. You know, like that
Speaker 1: the military saw this craft go down on the radar
Speaker 1: and they immediately sent a team after it to find it.
Speaker 1: And then you know, like that it happened in recent
Speaker 1: like day and age. That doesn't have to be the
Speaker 1: case either, Okay, it can be an ancient technology. Okay.
Speaker 1: I think that that was the whole reason that we
Speaker 1: even invaded Iraq in Afghanistan, there's no reason for us
Speaker 1: to even be there. We went in there and we
Speaker 1: rated all the museums, We took out all the ancient artifacts,
Speaker 1: We shot all of their ancient sites. We used all
Speaker 1: their ancient sites as target practice. I don't think that
Speaker 1: that was a weapons of like mass destruction, like a
Speaker 1: modern day weapons mass destruction. I think what was going
Speaker 1: on there was like an ancient weapons of mass destruction.
Speaker 1: That's something that we don't even know about. That Saddam
Speaker 1: Hussein or somebody over there was trying to recreate or
Speaker 1: rebuild or they found something. And that just goes to
Speaker 1: my point as to if you dig something up right,
Speaker 1: Let's say, me and you, Jay, we went to freaking
Speaker 1: Afghanistan right now or anywhere, Sahara Desert. We went to
Speaker 1: the Sahara Desert or wherever, and we started digging and
Speaker 1: we found this ancient like this weird strange craft underground,
Speaker 1: right and we dug it up and we got the
Speaker 1: excavators in and we took it and then we brought
Speaker 1: it back to the United States. Somehow. We took it
Speaker 1: into our private labs. We started examining it. That would
Speaker 1: be a crash retrieval, that would still be a crash
Speaker 1: retrieval because it doesn't matter how long the period of
Speaker 1: time between it being there and you finding it. It's
Speaker 1: still a crash retrieval. Regardless of the crash last week,
Speaker 1: ye yesterday, today, or five hundred years ago or one
Speaker 1: thousand years ago. It's still a crosh retrieval. And that's
Speaker 1: what several people, including Bubbles are and including Jacques Valet
Speaker 1: that was just on Joe Rogan. We're under the impression
Speaker 1: where these craft came from. They were under the impress
Speaker 1: without being directly told. Now, Jacques Falai says that he
Speaker 1: had access to some parts of some kind of technology
Speaker 1: that was found, but they both say that they were
Speaker 1: under the impression that these came from archaeological digs.
Speaker 2: Well I heard this must have had about twenty sixteen,
Speaker 2: that they were doing renovation at a mosque in Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 2: I hope I get this story right. And they were
Speaker 2: digging down under the mosque and they found this like
Speaker 2: twelve foot long foot wide tube thing, and you know
Speaker 2: what it was, And so they brought it out and
Speaker 2: they called their scientists in and their scientists did something
Speaker 2: to it. And it went off and there was like
Speaker 2: fifty people around it at the time and they all died.
Speaker 2: And so the Saudi's called in, called Putin, and Putin
Speaker 2: sent in a bunch of Russian scientists down there, and
Speaker 2: they looked at and realized what it was, and it
Speaker 2: was like some kind of plasma device, a weapon, and
Speaker 2: they could be shot and aimed and stuff, and they said,
Speaker 2: this thing is really, really, really frigging dangerous, and so
Speaker 2: they moved it to Antarctica where it is right now,
Speaker 2: and they back engineered it. And it's an ancient device
Speaker 2: that was a weapon from somebody in the past. And
Speaker 2: so yeah, I think that I think that's what's going on.
Speaker 2: You know, Hitler had had a group of guys going
Speaker 2: all over the world called the Honor Nabby. They were
Speaker 2: the SS Officers, and they were going all over the
Speaker 2: world looking for ancient technology. That was what they did.
Speaker 2: That's all they did, right. I'm sure the Holy Grail
Speaker 2: is some kind of ancient technology that we don't understand.
Speaker 1: The Covenant for sure, The Covenant that far.
Speaker 2: The Covenant for sure. I mean that thing, you know,
Speaker 2: you couldn't get near it. It would like to cute
Speaker 2: you and it's and it all has to do with
Speaker 2: you know, electric universe and all that. So yeah, I
Speaker 2: think that I think that there is all sorts of
Speaker 2: stuff that's been dug up and don't need to resort
Speaker 2: to getting it from the aliens at all. And so
Speaker 2: you know, if you if you found a dig and
Speaker 2: the dig had all this technology in it, you would
Speaker 2: call that a retrieval, right, But is it a crash retrieval?
Speaker 2: Not like just a retrieval. But if you put crash
Speaker 2: in front of retrieval, that makes it sound completely different.
Speaker 2: And you now got a great cover up going on.
Speaker 2: So I am almost positive that the entire Earth has
Speaker 2: been had radar and light ar and everything on it.
Speaker 2: They know where all the ancient sites are. They've probably
Speaker 2: gone to them all by now. They did it in
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty eight. It was the International Geophysical Year. They
Speaker 2: spent the entire year the un just mapping and going
Speaker 2: everywhere all over the Earth. For some reason they never
Speaker 2: were very clear about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, off the hook is saying a planted crash retrieval.
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of people refer to these as
Speaker 1: like gibbs, Like crash retrieval.
Speaker 2: You're removing all the pedigree from it, right, you don't
Speaker 2: know where it came from. It's a crash. So that's
Speaker 2: the actually actually a really good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it being like people referring to them as gifts, like, well,
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be gifts from extraterrestrials. It could
Speaker 1: just be gifts from past, the civilizations that was here
Speaker 1: years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this whole idea that you can back engineer stuff,
Speaker 2: Come on, if you try, if you dropped, if an
Speaker 2: F sixteen crashed in say, New Guinea and the jungles
Speaker 2: of New Guinea, do you really think that those people
Speaker 2: there are going to be able to reproduce that jet fighter? No,
Speaker 2: they're not, and they wouldn't even know.
Speaker 1: What do you think in one hundred years people are
Speaker 1: gonna know what a floppy disk is? No, No, there
Speaker 1: you go solves the question right there. Floppy disc are
Speaker 1: already irrelevant.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: People already don't use floppy disc anymore. It's already like
Speaker 1: a such an old technology that is no longer needed.
Speaker 1: So in a hundred years, it's going to be like
Speaker 1: Flubby Dost never even existed. And also.
Speaker 2: To a fourteen year old guy, and he didn't know
Speaker 2: what it was.
Speaker 1: That's right. That's so who's to say in a hundred
Speaker 1: years that the technology that we're currently using, the people
Speaker 1: one hundred years, they're probably not even going to know
Speaker 1: what it is. They're probably not even going to know
Speaker 1: what a hard drive is. They're probably even going to
Speaker 1: be able to use a USB drive. We we think
Speaker 1: that we're in this like finite like reality and this
Speaker 1: is the way that it's going to be like going forward. Well,
Speaker 1: we've only had this technology for what like years, thirty
Speaker 1: five forty years now, Like the computers have actually been
Speaker 1: a thing, and I know someone will say, oh, well
Speaker 1: they had them before. I'm talking about like publicly wide
Speaker 1: where you know, family members and people had them like
Speaker 1: legitimately in their house, like.
Speaker 2: The eighties, the first computers you could have in your house.
Speaker 2: So you know, it has been very long forty five
Speaker 2: years or so.
Speaker 1: So all this technology in one hundred years is that
Speaker 1: we're currently using right now is going to be completely
Speaker 1: one obsolete if someone if somehow, let's say the world
Speaker 1: ended like right now, a big astroid came down, but
Speaker 1: some remnants of some things were left over, like let's
Speaker 1: say a hard drive, Like let's say my hard drive
Speaker 1: with all the shows that I've ever done, our documentaries
Speaker 1: are on it, but everything's encoded onto it. Who's to
Speaker 1: say that anybody, even in the future, is going to
Speaker 1: be able to figure out that there's any information even
Speaker 1: on the thing?
Speaker 2: Why would he even care? I mean, they're not going
Speaker 2: to care, and they're not gonna be able to get
Speaker 2: it off anyway. I've got I've got video tapes that
Speaker 2: I made from twenty years ago. I can't even watch
Speaker 2: because I don't have the technology to watch it. So
Speaker 2: I've been obsoleted, right, And so Yeah, by the way,
Speaker 2: the way the world's going, we're going to be in
Speaker 2: five years, you're not gonna recognize anything at all. It's
Speaker 2: all going to change really fast, really soon. That's the plan.
Speaker 1: Well, there's like this digitizing and of everything going on,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's been the case for a
Speaker 1: lot of things. And I'm gonna let you go here soon.
Speaker 1: But I just want to bring this up really quickly
Speaker 1: because Netflix. Have you seen this about Netflix that they're
Speaker 1: starting to like re edit the movies that they show
Speaker 1: that they put on the platform now, Like they're starting
Speaker 1: to change the movies, like these classic movies on Netflix,
Speaker 1: because it's like being digitized. Now, why are streaming services
Speaker 1: this is from the medium. Why are streaming services editing
Speaker 1: our favorite movies? This is a small issue that could
Speaker 1: grow out of hand. It may seem small, but it
Speaker 1: seems significant. You may not even have caught this, but
Speaker 1: it's important to note. This is has to do with
Speaker 1: Netflix and other streaming services taking it upon themselves to
Speaker 1: edit movies to fit their liking. For example, the most
Speaker 1: recent discovered is Back to the Future Too. In case
Speaker 1: you've never seen the movie on Yeah, it's going on
Speaker 1: from you right now, Marty mcflin.
Speaker 2: So they cut out the I watched that about two
Speaker 2: years ago on Netflix, and they cut out the whole
Speaker 2: scene where Marty meets Chuck Berry. You remember that scene
Speaker 2: where he goes to a concert and Chuck Berry is playing,
Speaker 2: and then he's he creates rock and roll Marty Dunness
Speaker 2: after listening to Chuck Berry, he creates rock and roll.
Speaker 2: He invents rock and roll, and they it's gone. It
Speaker 2: was a really funny scene too, because I actually met
Speaker 2: Chuck Berry and so I always liked that scene and
Speaker 2: they cut it out. Scene's gone now and just like
Speaker 2: the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: Well, this is a way to edit and change things
Speaker 1: and make people think that they're going crazy, like with
Speaker 1: the Mendela effects stuff, and like Robin Hood, like this
Speaker 1: is the big one. This is from Amazon Prime. So
Speaker 1: they changed the Robin Hood's movie. Anti authoritarian intro went
Speaker 1: missing from Prime video, and now we know why. So
Speaker 1: they basically spliced out the entire beginning of the Robin
Speaker 1: Hood movie with Russell Crowe because they said it was
Speaker 1: anti authoritarian. They pick up the intro of the text
Speaker 1: on Amazon Prime Video. So now it's just this blank
Speaker 1: text on the screen for like a minute and you
Speaker 1: don't see anything, and it has like this whole intro
Speaker 1: like saying, you know, in times of tyranny and injustice
Speaker 1: with Lowell presses the people that out law takes his
Speaker 1: place in history. Reads the text shown in the very
Speaker 1: opening of the director Ridley Scott's twenty ten film Robin
Speaker 1: Hood starring Russell Crowe, at least as supposed to. But
Speaker 1: they took that part out. It just ripped it out
Speaker 1: of Amazon Prime Video. He doesn't drive people crazy, It's
Speaker 1: gonna make them think that they're schizophrenic in turn, because
Speaker 1: like they're going to be thinking, oh, well, I don't
Speaker 1: have the physical copy of this anymore, but I remember
Speaker 1: it completely differently. It's going to be thinking that they're crazy.
Speaker 2: Netflix didn't do it. But ET the movie ET, the
Speaker 2: government no longer has guns in the Originally ET the
Speaker 2: government raided the house where ET was and they all
Speaker 2: had guns in their hand. Now they've all got walkie talkies, right,
Speaker 2: So it's very very interesting to watch it. It's completely different.
Speaker 2: It's completely changed. And this was ten years ago that
Speaker 2: I saw ET and realized that they changed it. So
Speaker 2: they are changing things. And why again? When is it
Speaker 2: this force that we've been talking about, you know, just
Speaker 2: to make us go crazy?
Speaker 1: I think so that's how you'd want to do it, right,
Speaker 1: because that's how it works. Trauma works. You traumatize the people,
Speaker 1: You make them think that they're insane. You put so
Speaker 1: much confusion and nonsense, the garbage out there that people
Speaker 1: no longer know what to believe. That's what your rebusman
Speaker 1: Off was talking about. That's why you have that oh
Speaker 1: your rebuzment Off clip and a clockwork shining you're b
Speaker 1: exogoty three that talks about that exact same thing like
Speaker 1: you confuse the public enough they no longer know what
Speaker 1: to believe, and then you're under the thumb of whatever
Speaker 1: it is that they want you to believe, and you're
Speaker 1: subservient to it. And we see that proof with twenty
Speaker 1: twenty and how everyone just went the hook line and
Speaker 1: sinker for the entire thing. There was a whole, whole
Speaker 1: big thing, And that's just proof of it. That's the way, Yeah, demoralization, demoralization, destabilization, crisis,
Speaker 1: and then normalization. We're in that normalization phase right now.
Speaker 1: And the way that AI has progressed has gone from
Speaker 1: pretty much nothing to like being a really big deal
Speaker 1: to people using it every single day. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: no other explanation for it other than it's a freaking entity.
Speaker 1: It's an entity. I think that if an anti Christ exists, Jay,
Speaker 1: that the anti Christ is a there is nothing more
Speaker 1: inhuman then an artificial intelligence, an artificial life that would
Speaker 1: be the opposite of God would be artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, it's supposedly going to hit
Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy IQ next year. Average human has
Speaker 2: a one hundred IQ, So are we even gonna be
Speaker 2: able to talk to AI when it's like four times
Speaker 2: smarter than we are, and you know, I really got
Speaker 2: a wonder. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing now is like you can start
Speaker 1: to catch AI up on some things, like you start
Speaker 1: to like, you know, be like, what are you talking
Speaker 1: about that? That's not right, that's not correct. But once
Speaker 1: it gets even smarter, I don't even know what the
Speaker 1: what they can They're gonna have to have a dumb mood.
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to have a dumb mood from a
Speaker 1: lot of people.
Speaker 2: I asked Rock three the other day, are you stealing
Speaker 2: my ideas? And you got really angry at me. Well,
Speaker 2: it is, of course, it's stealing your ideas.
Speaker 1: So well, Dad, before I let you go, I think
Speaker 1: it's important for you to We kind of started to
Speaker 1: touch on it in the very beginning about the moon landing.
Speaker 1: But there's a story that you have where you were
Speaker 1: writing a book about the about the moon. Would you
Speaker 1: like to tell that story for everyone? And then I'll
Speaker 1: let you go and we'll hang it up for to
Speaker 1: day because it's a very fascinating story. And there's another one.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, So I touched on a little bit so
Speaker 2: Holand and I got called before a very very hugely important. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's not really venture capitalist is much bigger than that.
Speaker 2: Venture capitalists businessman looking for inventions. These were high lawyers,
Speaker 2: very expensive lawyers. So what they did was they would
Speaker 2: look at projects and then go out and gather money
Speaker 2: up for the project and put it in to it.
Speaker 2: And they had once a week, you had five minutes
Speaker 2: to get your speel to them. They do like a
Speaker 2: two hours every week. They listened to these speels, and
Speaker 2: so Holand and I had five minutes to give our speel.
Speaker 2: I got up first and I said that, you know
Speaker 2: I want we're going to make a movie called Return
Speaker 2: to the Moon. It could be an Imax movie. And
Speaker 2: then and and it's going to make a million of
Speaker 2: do It's gonna cost twenty five million to do the
Speaker 2: project and we're going to make back two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty million. Then Hoan got up and said how we
Speaker 2: were going to do it, well, how we're gonna do
Speaker 2: the launch, and where we're going to do it from.
Speaker 2: And by the time we got downe the lawyers were
Speaker 2: like like they couldn't believe what they were hearing. And
Speaker 2: so we were there for like four or five hours
Speaker 2: talking to them about this project and they were taking
Speaker 2: it up. We were going to do it, or they're
Speaker 2: going to get a big name talent to direct it,
Speaker 2: and they were going to go to Imax and everything.
Speaker 2: And they introduced me to all their different lawyers and
Speaker 2: each one had a different function. It was like eight
Speaker 2: or nine guys. And I met him, and Roeogland met him.
Speaker 2: And this was in Seattle, where I was living at
Speaker 2: the time, and so we were in communication for about
Speaker 2: a week. They were really excited. He said, they talked
Speaker 2: to this guy and he agreed to do it, and
Speaker 2: you know, all of a sudden boom, all communication went
Speaker 2: on and we didn't know what to do. I just
Speaker 2: would not return our phone calls or anything. And then
Speaker 2: about a week went by and I was getting on
Speaker 2: the ferry going back to Bainbridge Island, where I lived
Speaker 2: from Seattle. I was shooting a film there and I
Speaker 2: got on the ferry and as I getting on the ferry,
Speaker 2: I saw one of the lawyers. He must have lived
Speaker 2: on Bainbridge Island too, and I said, hey, how you doing,
Speaker 2: And he got kind of nervous and we came over.
Speaker 2: He pulled me over to the side in the very
Speaker 2: quiet area and he said, listen, I used to be
Speaker 2: a helicopter pilot in Vietnam. I ran sixty missions saving
Speaker 2: gis who were you know, wounded behind enemy lines. And
Speaker 2: I was like, oh wow. And then he said I
Speaker 2: taught buzz All and Neil Armstrong how to fly helicopters.
Speaker 2: Like whoa. And then he said, so, I last week
Speaker 2: I called up the head of NASA, whose name I
Speaker 2: would say you would know. And I said, wow, like
Speaker 2: really getting freaked out. Now, I go what you talked
Speaker 2: to the head of NASA. He goes, yeah, I told
Speaker 2: him what you guys wanted to do, and he said,
Speaker 2: if you launch that, missible shoot out of the sky.
Speaker 2: So you know, I was completely you know, depressed, and uh,
Speaker 2: you know, and my project was not going to come through.
Speaker 2: And I went home and you know, laid around, boked
Speaker 2: around for about a week or so. Two weeks. I
Speaker 2: lived on a place had a really long driveway with
Speaker 2: all these big trees, and it was raining. One night,
Speaker 2: it was about ten o'clock at night, and I saw
Speaker 2: these lights coming down my driveway, which I wasn't expecting anybody,
Speaker 2: and so I opened the door and I'm kind of curious, says, well,
Speaker 2: who's coming down in the driveway pouring rain, and I
Speaker 2: look and it's just like really brand new Lexus, you know,
Speaker 2: this car. And door opens and guy that I see
Speaker 2: on the ferry I'll call Frank. He gets out of
Speaker 2: the car and I say, hey, Frank, how you doing.
Speaker 2: He says good. I said, want you to come in
Speaker 2: and get out of the ring. He says no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not interested in that. And I said, so what's
Speaker 2: going on and he said, well, I've been talking to
Speaker 2: my friends. I said, you're friends. He goes, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: my friends. And when we were at that meeting at
Speaker 2: the law office, you said at one point that you
Speaker 2: have been writing a book about all the stuff on
Speaker 2: the moon. And I said, yeah, benishit. I'm going to
Speaker 2: be looking for a publisher soon. And he said, well, well,
Speaker 2: my friends want me to tell you that publishing that
Speaker 2: book probably is not a good idea. And I see
Speaker 2: you've got a fire going there, and I think that's
Speaker 2: a real good place to throw that manuscript. This is
Speaker 2: before computers or what you use computers for writing, and
Speaker 2: and he said that's all I really have to say.
Speaker 2: See you later, man, and got in the car and
Speaker 2: drove away. And uh, my ex I was married to
Speaker 2: another woman at the time, and my ex wife was there.
Speaker 2: She heard the whole thing, and she hated my conspiracy stuff,
Speaker 2: just freaking hated it. Probably the reason we got divorced.
Speaker 2: And she was in tears, just completely in tears. Oh God,
Speaker 2: you just got threatened. You just got threatened. I said, yeah,
Speaker 2: I just got threatened. And so I took the book
Speaker 2: and I threw it in the fire, and uh never
Speaker 2: looked back. But yeah, that's my story.
Speaker 1: That's what happens to a lot of these people. I mean,
Speaker 1: I told you a story of someone that I knew
Speaker 1: that was building like this free energy device with like magnets.
Speaker 1: I was way back in the day, and it wasn't
Speaker 1: anything big or huge, but it was enough to like,
Speaker 1: you know, power like a maybe like a small house
Speaker 1: or whatever. And then two people and black suits showed up,
Speaker 1: knocked on his door, but give us, give us the thing.
Speaker 1: And then they're like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2: What do you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do they know? How do they know what
Speaker 1: was going on?
Speaker 2: It's a surveillance operation. They're checking everything out.
Speaker 1: So all right, man, well thanks for coming on, Jake.
Speaker 1: Can you let people know where to find you and
Speaker 1: where they can find our documentaries and anything you got
Speaker 1: coming up next.
Speaker 2: So jfk X is on h on Amazon it's for free.
Speaker 2: Uh I think I got an email the other day
Speaker 2: instead of Clockwork Shining is free on Amazon in the UK,
Speaker 2: which I found surprising. Uh so maybe they're moving it
Speaker 2: over to their other service. I don't know. And but
Speaker 2: it's up on Amazon. You can get Clockwork Shining and
Speaker 2: jfk X and writers got a new film he's gonna
Speaker 2: we're gonna be working together on and things they're looking
Speaker 2: really up by. If you want to get my writings,
Speaker 2: it's a j Widener dot com. And my show Reality
Speaker 2: Check is up on YouTube and that's pretty much it.
Speaker 2: All my films are up on Amazon my other films.
Speaker 2: Just type in Jay Wider to get my twenty films
Speaker 2: or whatever I got up on Amazon.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much, Jay, I really appreciate your time to
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