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Speaker 3: It's Billified, the Bill Moran Podcast.
Speaker 1: Well, hello and welcome. Thank you for getting your pot on,
Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we spread the word.
Just before Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 3: Danny's here, Saint Patrick's Day. Then spring, yeah, then more snow.
Speaker 1: Probably around here. I don't know. You know. What I
like to do, though, is on days like today, you
feel good, don't you know? The sun's out? Man, right
when the sun shine, and especially where we're from, right
against a lot of great days, a lot of cloudy days.
We're by a great lake, so that the heck with
work effects our weather patterns. But what I like to
do on sunny days is when I'm at a traffic
light and people are turning, like maybe coming across traffic
so they have to go in front of me. I
liked try to guess the mood in the car. Really Yeah,
I like to look and I like to see, and
especially like when I see couples because I go. There
are times where you can see. Like I saw some
woman she was just giving this guy a fucking earfall
and he's driving. He's just like you could see both
hands and she's like right in here. Then I see
another couple. She's laughing as she they came around the turn.
She's laughing and he's laughing. Then I saw a mom
a very serious focus with the kid in the front seat,
obviously under a sporting event. She doesn't want to go
to wherever she's going. She does not want to take
him to the kid to wear it else practice, yeah,
wherever it was, and I go, this is amazing. This
is like one of my favorite hobbies, people watching. But
then trying to guess the mood in the car of
the cars that drive by. Wow, you know.
Speaker 3: What's funny you mentioned that. So yesterday or was it
Tuesday was pretty sunny out it was nice out right, yeah,
And I was at a red light and it's one
of those where it could you have a green arrow
and a red light the double light at the bottom.
So I had the red light. The people across from
me had the green arrow, so they're cutting in front
of me and I'm just waiting for him. Right then
it turns green, so I'm supposed to go, and the
car next to me is the double highway double double
lanes is supposed to go too. So we start going.
But the cars who got the arrow, yeah no longer
have the arrow, just kept going going six cars deep.
We're like, the lady next to me is hawking the
horle like what the lif like screaming and I could
I can hear because our windows are down. It's a
nice day, right, mean, well, the boon of the people
like screw you guys, I've taken the I'm taking the turn,
whether I have the arrow or not. Rush.
Speaker 1: Yeah, once you get going, what are you gonna do
about it?
Speaker 3: It's lunch time.
Speaker 1: Well, it's like, what are you gonna do about it?
Speaker 3: I gotta get the wind even you know it's a problem.
Speaker 1: I want to play something. I tried to reach out
to these people and maybe we'll get them on the
podcast at another time. I did speak to them a
little bit today. I don't know if you saw this.
Are you familiar with a store called Deuces?
Speaker 3: Is a hairstorm a hair salon. I've heard of a
hair salon called Maduces.
Speaker 1: Oh that would make any sense, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Be Well, snake's coming out of your hair will make
your hair look beautiful?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Now this is an adult like novelty shop. My next
guest down on Monroe Avenue.
Speaker 3: Okay, that makes total sense. I think I've I've heard
of this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's like way down okay Monroe.
Speaker 3: Like deep like by the by the Strong Museum or yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah before that little turn.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, Deuces and uh. I tried to
get them on, but they put out a video of
someone committing a crime in their store. Somebody had slips
on it in her pocket, but they do.
Speaker 3: If you see this person, do not approach that.
Speaker 1: Well, it's weird.
Speaker 3: They dangerous.
Speaker 1: I want to know how she created this video, because
it's fantastic. I'll give you some This is what it
sounds like right here.
Speaker 4: Rochester, New York City filled with stories. Some are ordinary,
but some are deeply perplexing. On the night of March eighth,
Totty twenty five, one man entered a local adult boutique.
Within minutes, he would commit a crime so brazen it
would leave the staff baffroom. His target a large metal
butt plange.
Speaker 1: At first glance, so clearly it's an AI voice, but
plug this guy's dead.
Speaker 4: An adult Mayo medium build sporting a gray jacket, blue pants,
and a white hood dealer show.
Speaker 1: The guy and like all over their social media, who's
it's like.
Speaker 4: His movements were calculated, his attention engaged, but his surveill
answer recordings later revealed this was no casual shopping trip
to Medusa's. The man appeared to note what he wanted.
He positioned himself near the wall of butt plums, then
suddenly fifting his stats, as if trying to avoid the
visible camera nearby. What he did not realize was that
he wasn't as clever as he thought. From a separate
fatish point, surveils cameras captured everything at precisely nine twenty
four pm. The suspect made his move with the dexterity
of a season shoplifter, or perhaps just a desperate man,
which for the heavy metal object, slipped it into his pocket.
With his prize now secured, he did not flee. Instead,
he continued brousing the very same display, eyeing other butt plots.
Is it debating whether to take another?
Speaker 1: Was he being greedy and.
Speaker 4: Second guess in his selection, or was he simply trying
to appear normal? The answer remains unknown. What happened next
was truly bizarre for what seemed like an attempt to
appear casually. What happened next he asked a question, a
question that, in hindsight appears like a poorly constructed distraction.
What's the best and cheapest loop?
Speaker 1: The best a chief is loob.
Speaker 3: Aren't you?
Speaker 1: Why why are you asking?
Speaker 3: What's is still the lube?
Speaker 1: Here's the problem with uh, there's no problem with this.
I mean you can what's the best the cheapest loop? Yeah,
but who says it?
Speaker 3: Says AI always mispron a few words here and the judges,
I think at the end it says something.
Speaker 4: Was he driven by desperation? Was this a crime of passion?
Or is it simply the work of a man on
going to pay retail price. If you recognize this individual,
or if you have any information on the whereabouts of
the missing metal butt clock, hears you to come forward.
Your tip could helps solve this unusual and perplexing case.
ADUSS will never judge what you buy it. They will
judge you when you steal it and shame you on
social media. And in the end, no matter how discreet
you thing you are, the cameras always win.
Speaker 1: Well. Two things, The cameras are no longer grainy bigfoot
footage in a store rights, none of that. It's like
high definition. You get to see this guy and all
his glory slide a butt plug into his pocket.
Speaker 3: Is that Fred?
Speaker 1: And I know somebody probably would recognize the butt plug.
Speaker 3: Now the guy had a French accident the butt plug.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So this is Ai. But I talked to somebody
at Medusa's today and I said, this is fantastic, and
then he said, well, it's not the first time we've
done it. We've done a couple of these when we
get people shots.
Speaker 3: On Netflix, so it would be funny.
Speaker 1: But so, you know, I had questions about this. But
here's my I'm trying to think about this, Like if
I saw my friend, like, let's say that was my
Christian friend who just just straight a.
Speaker 3: Little from Jesus that day, okay, you know, or canist
or not?
Speaker 1: No, no, you like just straight a little bit and
went there, Am I gonna like blow them in? Or
am I going to have a good laugh. I'm immediately
calling some people to go Christian.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we go to Matthew nineteen I think it is,
and we would confront them with two or three brothers
and be like, hey, listen, did you steal that butt
plug from Medusa's? Was that you? Is this you on
this video? You need to repent, You need to return
the plug. Okay, I haven't used it all.
Speaker 1: Now hang on a second, Hang on a second, Let.
Speaker 3: Me what were you doing at Medusa's.
Speaker 1: Let me let me give you, let me get we'll see. Now.
The thing is, like, I'm thinking, I wonder if this
dude likes a butt plug himself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure.
Speaker 1: Well, well not always like.
Speaker 3: And if he did, like, he could have been a
little bit better at like picking it up. I have
bought without his hands.
Speaker 1: I have bought, I've bought out. I've bought toys, toys,
but they weren't toys that were for me necessarily there, Yes,
so I would think that this would be for someone else.
But I'm wondering if this guy thought this is written
all over my face. I'm so ashamed. So I'm just
gonna slide in here and then I'm gonna ask him
what's the cheapest loop?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want to be a total a total thief.
Speaker 1: Well he didn't buy it, he didn't even buy it,
but there's you can't get away with this. So if that,
let's say, let me paint this scenario. You and I.
You're scrolling through social media. All of a sudden, you
see somebody. You go, what, holy crap, that's Kevin.
Speaker 3: Glad you said it. I'll think about saying it, like, nah, man,
I want to get the call that's Kevin.
Speaker 1: Would you then call Kevin and go what's going on?
Say hey, you're all over social media? Or do you
call me and we have a great laugh about it.
Speaker 3: I call you first, Yes.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, and then I may call Kevin
and go, buddy, what the fuck is this? Because that
would be my thing, because it would be easier. I
think out of the two of us, And I may
be wrong, but I think if you get a call
from me, go what the fuck is going on? It's
way different than because you get you've become like fatherly. Hey, keV,
I saw a video of you and I keep it late.
I don't know. I think I would be more uncomfortable,
especially if you call me knowing, knowing that we're not
supposed to judge, and you're probably not, but you are,
and I would be embarrassed that I was getting the
call from you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh my, Yeah, There's so many different directions we
could go with this.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm just saying, like, you know, if you did.
Speaker 3: That, I'm I definitely call you first. Pro Listen, that's
the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm calling. Like four or five people go home.
Speaker 3: And I called Tommy. Hey, Tommy, remember me, Hey, I
got a story for you, bro check this down.
Speaker 1: I'm calling Laura. I'm going Laura, you won't believe this,
but because you go, all right, why would you steal
a butt plug? You know what I mean? At all things?
Speaker 3: And at first I would gossip and then I'd use
the gospel. That's my method, So go ahead. I had
to get that in there.
Speaker 1: Well, I go it's desperation or embarrassment, right, maybe really
one of them was too embarrassed to buy it. I
mean that that, but I can't imagine. Then you would
ask you.
Speaker 3: About could you go to Amazon?
Speaker 1: Then yes you could.
Speaker 3: They sell everything except for Confederate flags and DBDs of
Dukes of Hatzard. Other than that, like a pretty much
buy everything.
Speaker 1: Some people have trouble certain purchases or or are shamed
because of the society we live in. Maybe he has
a thrill of stealing things. Maybe that could be.
Speaker 3: He's in the dudes.
Speaker 1: Well he may not be into dudes, but he might
like a little bit of stimulation down there, could be right, Yeah,
you know, I mean I'm known women, but known of women,
I don't know any that have you know, just fitted
to playing with the.
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five. So it's not uncommon to go into
Wegman's and see or anywhere and see or the doctor's
office or a library, any public place and not see
one or two people with a mask on. Yeah, I
don't want to get sick. It's cool to see. Could you,
just like, you know, put one of those eight ninety
five whatever those masks are. By the way, I still
have a ton of yes, could you?
Speaker 1: I could be a dare or a prank but I
don't think so.
Speaker 3: Could be a fraternity man, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think so. When you see the guy, but you.
Speaker 3: Do meduces and steal butt plugs, but plugs and then
you need to ask about the cheapest lube? Is this
made with seed oils?
Speaker 1: I don't want to get sicklug healthy the uh because
I'm thinking if you were using the butt plug on yourself,
you may want to use loube. You probably don't want
a rod dog that one.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what imagine that old toy in there? Yeah,
I'm not you know, I've never.
Speaker 1: You know, exciting. You don't have to explain to me
I I I never just look at you and think automatically,
that's a guy that likes a good old fashioned but plug.
I bet your booze got a butt plug A drawer
full of them.
Speaker 3: What are those four. What are we gonnat it tonight?
Speaker 1: Plug it in?
Speaker 3: What it's one of those glad air fresheners.
Speaker 1: Oh god, that would even be better, probably help, probably
help you. Have you ever like smelled yourself engrossed yourself
out from the smell of yourself once a week? Well,
I don't mean it like the bathroom. I I have
had this to happen twice now at the gym. Oh yeah,
at the gym, because a lot of times, like I'll
get up in the morning, get Jamison to where he
needs to be, go to the gym. I haven't put
on deodorant today. I did. Ah, I thought I forgot
my earbuds, so I then find my earbuds after but
I go, yeah, I go. You know what I'm gonna go.
I'm gonna do a class. So I checked the schedule
real quick. There's a boot camp class I'm in. I'm
gonna do the boot camp class to really push myself
something I haven't done in a long time. Box jumps,
the whole thing, bo sue over right, you know, bench,
all this stuff, and I still have what do you.
Speaker 3: Mean, the bowsuit, the balls? They still they still use those.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't they?
Speaker 3: I thought they went out of style.
Speaker 5: What are you?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Go out of style?
Speaker 3: To fucking go. I can't continue. I apologize both suits
go out of style.
Speaker 1: Now you can put them upside down. Do push ups
on them? You can do. I always did hopovers on them.
They were good.
Speaker 3: I used to people using the ball completely.
Speaker 1: But you're right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now I think about it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry they get a flat side.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 1: So afterwards, I see a guy that I haven't seen
in a while, and I'm talking to him, and I
was starting to smell myself, like there's boh bad, Like
it's bad. Oh, yeah, it's really bad. Then the other
day it must have been I was going to I
was going to take a shower today. I forgot my towel,
brought everything, forgot my towel, how to go home to shower.
I was walking to the shower and I kept my
shorts on as I paraded through because I didn't want
to be one of those proud peacocks. You know, you
always get that guy he does the Captain morganother Hey fellas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes he got a turbinon.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I haven't seen that dud.
Speaker 3: When I used to work out a Planet fitnessman. The
first thing these guys were put on at the turbine,
not the shirt, not the boxers, the turbine in the mirror.
So we everybody, we got three six ty V This
dude putting out his turban every freaking time. And I
was like, I couldn't take my eyes off, and I
was watching a trade wreck, but I won't see if
this guy and it's just how long it takes the uh.
Speaker 1: But I got a whiff. I got a whiff, like
from undercarriage sweat. I was like, God, damn.
Speaker 3: So do you wear those like special like shirts that
like are like drive Okay, So I got like three
or four of those, and I'll wear when I work
out and I use the sauna in my house afterwards,
a little mini sauna that I have. I sitting there
for twenty minutes. And no matter how many times you
wash them things, when you sweat that much in those shirts, right,
it's so like that's why I think downy like you
know those like it's one thing like when you used
to wash your clothes, which is tide or detergent. Now
you've got to add that downy fresh stuff on top
of is if the detergent ain't work it anymore?
Speaker 1: Well, it depends.
Speaker 3: We just stick here as a pop.
Speaker 1: It could be, that's my point. It could be.
Speaker 3: Now detergent doesn't even work. Now you need to add
extra detergent in your clothes.
Speaker 1: But if Tide has a special one for sport, it's
like Tide Sport.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, and it gets even more stick here. Yeah,
you're Nike dry fit clothes. Gets all this stuff because
Bethly couple goes, oh my gosh, you're you going to
work out? I go, yeah, why you smell like you
already have? I go, these are clean clothes. She goes, oh,
I know, because it was dry. She goes, you just
washed this. I remember just folding it. She goes, yeah,
it's because you go in that sauna afterward and you
let the clothes, like say sweater, you throw them in
the hamper to get mildewy or whatever.
Speaker 1: Oh jesus Dan, Yeah.
Speaker 3: But they're dry fit.
Speaker 1: You know what. She needs to go and shame you
on social media like they meduces.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the thing. Like, so if you see this husband,
do not approach him while he's working out in a
Nike red shirt. It says dry fit smells terrible and
one that says billified h because it can.
Speaker 1: Raise awareness, like we always talk about. And here here's
where I feel like I am getting old and I
am an old man thinking now. But I go a
little bit of shaming. I don't know that it's bad.
Speaker 3: It's like it's like a flu shot. I'm not saying
give you a little bit of the shame. It goes
a long way to protect you from shame down the road.
Speaker 1: The way Medusa's did this is they're not making fun
of the guy. They're having fun with him. They're having
fun with the guy. He's stole a product from them.
They got to write it off. There's been a couple
of these. It sucks. You're trying to run a business.
You're trying to be honest. You got taxes you gotta pay.
It's hard enough in New York State. And now this
guy comes in.
Speaker 3: He spent a lot of money on that video.
Speaker 1: And who knows, he might have been twenty five bucks
to for I don't know, it could have been fifty.
But I don't know what the butt plug goes for.
Some I would think if they really vibrate, I mean,
if they really vibrate. It's got to like look like
you took the lid off a blunder while making a
chuckle up shape.
Speaker 3: See, I was thinking, now that I think about it,
splintered paintment, it may have been a shame based on
the size of the plug. Think about this, Well, it's
a silver bullet, but she showed it. The point is, though,
is that and I can't imagine this, but theoretically I
think that, like, after you start doing it a while,
I've heard that there's more space created, so then you
need a larger it. Maybe he was afraid that they
would butt plugger God, Okay, I got uh.
Speaker 1: I got corrected on my scenario. Oh, he says Kevin. Okay,
Mark absolutely.
Speaker 3: See Mark would have no shame. No, he wouldn't steal.
But he walked in. He'd be like he like, wave
here on a first day basis, all right, hey, did
the shipment of what do you call it, astro glad
come in yet?
Speaker 1: Wow? Well look at you know, and then the name
asked never mind. I don't, I don't know. No, I
don't I don't even. I just think that a little
bit of shame sometimes goes a good distance. And yeah,
I'm not trying to, you know, embarrass you, make you
feel bad about you, whatever. But I think, like sometimes
you may think twice right, a little bit of shame.
And like sometimes I see people the way they dress
and leave their house, and I go, they should have
a little bit of shame. You know, either they have
no friends or they don't know what a mirror. I
don't know which is which, but that's it. There are
times where I will see a husband and I'll be
and his wife, I'll go, how does she let him
leave the house like this? His pants are practically on backwards.
It's like, you know, a big fat belly hanging out
that the shirt doesn't come down. You get to see
the hair of the linds coming out of the belly
button she's walking on.
Speaker 3: I go, what that's when you're defeated.
Speaker 1: She just threw up the white flags, I give up,
But on the Red Cross it's over. Well, a little
bit of shame. We'll put the video up on our
see this.
Speaker 3: Man, please approach him and rip on him.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of things that I like to get to, Uh,
two stories involving people. One is ridiculous and uh, we'll
get into that and the other is kind of deranged.
It makes you think some somewhere right now, Dan, somewhere
right now, something awful is going on. We won't hear
at it for years. No, I'm not even talking about that.
I'm talking about somebody holding like remember the year I
don't know if we were together then or not they
held the girls in Cleveland in the basement.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we were together. Yeah, dead giveaway dead. I remember,
like that was when auto tune became a thing. So
anybody who made the news immediately got auto tune and
became an overnight sensation.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but like no one knew every day we
had rams.
Speaker 3: With this dude. Yeah, but we didn't have a clue.
You can look it up the suck dead giveaway, dead giveaway, any.
Speaker 1: Time of white.
Speaker 3: We were up into a black man's arms, dead giveaway,
dead giveaway. They made it a whole sun.
Speaker 1: We ate rams with this dude, but we didn't have
a clue about that completely. But I'm saying like that
went on.
Speaker 3: He looked like coolio.
Speaker 1: That went on for a very long time.
Speaker 3: All that money you give me goes to a Manda Berry.
That was a name. That was the woman okay, because
we tried to do it to go fund before him too,
we could get a hold of them, so we end
up re turning all the money back to the back
to the people.
Speaker 1: I just think that, uh, somewhere something like that is
going on, and we won't hear. We won't hear about
it for another five years.
Speaker 3: And it'll be a lifetime movie before we find out.
Speaker 1: When I say, somewhere, somewheres here in the United States,
yes I here, well, okay here, yeah, great Rochesteria. But
potentially it happens right on our noses.
Speaker 3: We don't even know it, that's right, unfortunately, Yeah, Amna,
Amanda granted, so right under you guys' noses. Poor curl
to a reporter from Channel ten.
Speaker 1: God, I just fucking hammered, that, didn't I I just
kept playing it right under.
Speaker 3: You play it? You had me play it.
Speaker 1: I was I didn't have it on my little Oh
that you that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you actually did get it out of the box.
I walked in that morning. You're like Diddy, Diddy, you
gotta get to the audio from Channel tip first thing
before you do anything else. Go to that clip. Tell
me that's not hilarious. And then Tyy brown. Oh my gosh,
that's a funny.
Speaker 1: Was right under you guys's noses, you know, right under
you guys' noses. I remember the story.
Speaker 3: I just remember the clip. By the way, I think
she works in Florida. Now she's she's in charge of
like pr for like a sheriff's department down there.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, now it's right. I was gonna say her, guys,
she was a great reporter too. Okay, don't don't glazer.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Trump and everything. There's some brass in this
there's some brassing the balls. There, you go, that's it. Uh.
We see everything nowadays, Dan, we see it all. We
got to see somebody putting a butt plug in his
pocket at Medusa's downtown, and the.
Speaker 3: Dude from Unsolved Mysteries, we got to hear his voice
for the first time in twenty years. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I never watched Unsolved Mysteries.
Speaker 3: I never did either, Bill.
Speaker 1: It was too scary for me. I think I didn't.
I don't like that sort of stuff. I don't like
the depressing stuff.
Speaker 3: I my wife watches all that crazy crap like n
cis CSI Dangerous Minds or was it Criminal Minds? I go,
is this something you want to tell me?
Speaker 1: She's plotting any day now? But this is a uh,
this is an actual news story, and sometimes you have
to go, h do they do it? Well, they do,
It's just that it's local news. It is local news.
A really strange story here.
Speaker 7: Please in Central Pennsylvania are investigating after a creepy encounter
caught on doorbell footage. Yes, so, as you heard, they're
the masked person.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll play it again in a second. The person
has a paper plate mask over their face and maybe
some other outfit. It sounds like a woman, and I
think I saw her hair nodded on the top of
her head when she bent down. But she's the Box Demon. Clearly,
this is somebody in that. You know when I the
Box Demon. Yeah, when I lived over in the neighborhood,
when you taught Jordan how to pitch, Oh, yeah, I
was the Guinness Fairy and I would I would no,
I would leave cases of Guinness people's like got my
neighbor's porch, or he'd do the same for me. It
was the Guinness Fairy. This sounds like this is what
it is. But now we get to see everything, and
I guess the people must have been freaked out. How
does it get on the news? Why does it get
on the news? That's what I want to know.
Speaker 3: I want to be famous and I got a video.
People get revenge, so this is the best way to
do it, and the news will pretty much put anything
on it. At this point.
Speaker 1: I'm the Box Dephen.
Speaker 7: Yes, the Box is a demon, calls themselves the Box Demons.
They identified themselves to a homeowner through a ring camera
in North York Borough, York County, yesterday. They wore the
homemade paper plate, mask and left of package on the
porch at least say they have identified the person behind
the bizarre incident and they're telling us now there is
no threat to the public.
Speaker 1: But why are you doing great moments in local news?
I mean, like, the.
Speaker 3: First thing I thought of was, you know those new
like because they advertise more drugs than anything else on
television where people like, they're sad, right, but they put
up the paper place that says they're smiling. They're masking
their sadness. Maybe your antidepressant isn't working and you need
another antidepressant on top of the anti depression.
Speaker 1: Just to go for a walk in some sunside and
put on some classical music and be fine. That's why
this music, that's why this.
Speaker 3: We have a pill called exercise you know.
Speaker 1: What I listened to once in a while on that
actually makes me smile on serious XM as because I
have the app. You get other stations, and I have
one called Chill Pill, the Chill Pill Station.
Speaker 3: Serious ExM Chill Pill.
Speaker 1: It's the chill Pill Station. It's all serious XM chill.
It's all eighties. Oh okay, it's like eighties chill pill.
So don't worry, be happy. It's like, yeah, maybe, but
more like the ballads. It's like a soft rock station.
Oh it's fine, and make you happy. You know the words,
you sing along. If that's your generation, there you go.
Speaker 3: You know what's amazing is that they have capitalized off
the laziness of America. I mean, I think the biggest
cottage industry in America is laziness. Think about this, okay,
think about why Wegmans is so awesome because they basically
make everything for you. You don't have to think about it.
You just go to Wegmans and get it right. These pills,
these medications, you don't have to exercise. Just take a
stupid pill and you don't feel better.
Speaker 1: Just saw a heads dude, think about it. To not
read the headlines. It's funny that you say that. I
just read the headline that said, uh ozembic workouts or
gyms are now catering to a new style of workout.
But they said, like the ozembic workout, so.
Speaker 3: They pull up your belly.
Speaker 1: But don't fucking know, I just I only saw the
headline going through And it's interesting to me because I
I went home tonight and I make stuff right. So
I had made meatballs, and I froze the meatballs. I
thaw the meatballs out during the day, threw them in
with some sauce, made pasta, and that was dinner. But
I could go buy the meatballs very easily. I could
buy frozen meatballs ready, and I don't I like making them.
There's something satisfying to me about.
Speaker 3: So much better when you make them.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if it tastes better. I'm a
terrible cook. I'll admit that I follow the recipe sort
of kind of. I don't think I have the right
mention Chef boy O Myer, I don't think I have
the right metric fits Dan, it's a teaspoon up. So
I just I'm like trying to guess and stuff.
Speaker 3: But whatever your emerald Agasi, damn.
Speaker 1: Emerald, Emerald never mind, uh so, but I like doing that,
so I hear what you're saying. But like we do
make it easy. Yeah, I have gone into Wegmans and
bought their full holiday meals sometimes.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Thanksgivving. You could just go to or you
could go to Cracker Barrel. Man, I'm waiting for a
cracker Burl Thanksgiving. But like, like the doorbell cam with
the news. Yeah, hey, just send us your doorbell. Can't
put it, We don't care. We got a phill thirty
minutes set. It's the Channel thirteen.
Speaker 1: It's odd.
Speaker 3: It sounds more like a Channel eight thing. Although they've
up their game the last ten years.
Speaker 1: Yeah they have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm just taking like laziness sells.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you something else. Okay, Now, now I
have to be very careful how I talk about this,
but I think that sometimes the job should be to
report the news, not scare us, like this thing, the
rise of a weird you know, viral urban legend, the
paper plate face whatever, like it's just somebody. I mean,
here's what all I can think of as I watch
this story is imagine being the cop that has to
write this up. They had to go out, they got
to do the paper. You've got to report the paper
plate mask person. And you wonder why cops drink.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, Junior, Hey, Junior, we got a good one
for you. We're gonna send you down.
Speaker 1: The fair part.
Speaker 3: Have you figured out the box demon?
Speaker 1: We got a paper plate whispering I'm the box demon.
You're on that one.
Speaker 3: Make you make sure you bring Spocky the canine dog. Yes,
it's it, and make sure you give them treats after
he likes that. It's a good one for you to
warm up on it.
Speaker 1: It's terrible. It's terrible. But we see too much and
we have too much.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know, oh yeah, I mean you look at
the world burning on the news and you realize, I'm
an American. Life is so we have the luxury of
caring or not caring, complaining or not caring.
Speaker 1: We make shit up, we have wars up. But we
were talking about being lazy, and sometimes I wonder if
the news doesn't necessarily help. No, And I'm gonna give
you like this story that is more in our area.
It's one that could be anywhere, but it happened in
our area and it's focused in our area, and it
had to do with a school teacher. I'll leave it
at that. And I watched the story, and I'm familiar
with some of the participants in the story, and I
have my opinion on things as to what it is. Well,
I'm perusing stuff today and I see they went back
out and now they're mad and they're talking to people
at the school because the person is either out on
bail or what. I don't know what? And I'm going,
why are you? Why are you fanning the flames of this?
Why are you fanning the flames of this? Believe me,
if there's something inappropriate that went on involving an adult
and someone who is not an adult, that person's being
watched all the fucking time, all the time, and that's
the thing. So but all you're doing is family. Well,
I'd like to know why this is?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 1: Who are you that you get to fucking demand anything?
You pinhead, go home and fucking make a meat ball
and shut up.
Speaker 3: Hi, Karen, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I go, God, it's like you're toothless, you have no bite.
Who cares? But why is? But I don't blame that person.
Somebody stuck a camera in your face and asked you
a question about a story to fan flames of what?
And it bothers me because it's not right and it's wrong.
It's wrong. It's the fucking media is wrong when they
do that.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. You ever see the Leprechaun story, which
which keep Peel eventually made the Pegasus story. Just if
folks just go to YouTube and just type it like
leprechad news story, but the idea being like, hey, we're
just gonna go make something up and see how people
react with it. We stick a camera in their face. Yeah,
oh yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Saw thee Yeah, it's just it's just yeah, I got
a problem with like, look, I've done it too. I
stood outside uh polling places and asked them how they
voted for proposition nine sixty five. When I was on
that station, and there was one going, well, you know
they do it in the Bible and.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: Because people don't want if to sound stupid, that's part
of the problem. But when you've got a hot it
like that's harmless, right, it's harmless. Who's getting hurt in
a proposition that doesn't exist. It's kind of showing the
ignorance of people. But it's not. It's showing how we are.
We are ashamed to say I don't know the best.
Was ashamed to say that.
Speaker 3: Hey, what do you prefer you Affordable Care Act or Obamacare?
You know, people were like, I don't care for Obamacare.
Now the Affordable carere Act I can get behind because
I can afford it. When they were the same thing,
I know, right, We would ask people that's questions.
Speaker 1: We did well here?
Speaker 3: Who's the vice president Dick Chady? But you're right, you're right,
But but we all want to feel like an authority.
Speaker 1: But we do, but we also don't want to look dumb.
So the nine to six five, the Obamacare, the uh whatever. Yeah,
I get it that people will answer that. But to me,
this is a little bit on the news to go.
We're gonna fan the flames of what because what do
we want people coming down with you know, torches and
running somebody out of town happen? And there is no
innocent until proven guilty. And what if this turns around?
And what if this story turns out to not be true?
And then what right? And then what are you going
to turn around and apologize? Are you going to go
back and say I'm sorry, we got it wrong, because
you know what that is? That's bullying by your own definition.
I've seen the definitions that would be bullying somebody by
saying I want to know. You don't need to know anything.
You know what you need to know?
Speaker 3: Go raise your kids? Yeah, just behind your business, be
a good person, pay your taxes, be a good person.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, pay your tax contributor to society, but be
a good person, right and contribute to the society. If
they stick a camera in your face, Goo, that's an
unfortunate thing. And I'm so happy that whatever the incident is,
I hope a boy clears up in all parties get
the justice they deserve. I'd love to see somebody say that,
but that's not getting on the news. It's the I
think I needs to know. That's I'm sorry. You know
exactly what I would.
Speaker 3: Love for somebody to come up to me with a
camera like that. I would give them like a ten
minute dissertation. I'll just make stuff up, yeah, you know,
and see how ridiculous would be and see what they
put on the news.
Speaker 1: What's the person's name again? Oh?
Speaker 3: I knew his brother. Here's here's the flip side. Here's
the flip side. When they interview you and they ask
you and you actually give him an intelligent answer and
they cut it down to like four seconds. Here's an example.
One time I was at Matthew's grill. Yes, yeah, okay,
I was down there having lunch one day and Channel
ten walks in the bills had had signed to.
Speaker 1: O talking about lazy right across the street, right it's.
Speaker 3: A sports so I'm not gonna name the reporter's name.
He's not a reporter anymore. Becomes over, So you work
at CMF, don't you. I'm like yeah, And I told
I was at that time the sports guy on our station,
our show, right, and they go, what are your thoughts
on t O? And I gave him like ten minutes
worth the mansters I used to do a sports talk show.
I was pretty you know, and they cut it down
to like four seconds. He was as Dan BURRELLO Bill's fan,
and then Tommy went off. Tommy went off the next
morning prow he's a Sponge inter actor. I'm like, well,
thank you, Tommy down take too much, Crannon Brown, what's tell?
But like yeah, it's like wait, I I gave you
like ten minutes of my time, and I know you
have to cut it down, but that's all you gave, right.
Speaker 1: But I would say for everybody when in those situations,
and it's a skill you got to learn to talk
sound bite, which I did.
Speaker 3: And ten minutes, well, they interviewed me for ten minutes.
They asked me ten minutes worth a questions. It's not
like I sit there like rolled up my sleeves and
gave a dissertation. I was like doing the weather. Well, anyway,
it'll be like when you talk to me about the
bills on this podcast. Uh huh, okay, so I can
see that side.
Speaker 1: You're right, do I go into this next drange thing?
I just have such a problem with that, dude, I yes,
really get upset.
Speaker 3: It's called forced the pitsions. It's called begging the question.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, and I leading the way. I guess I
don't like it in this case because again I'm a
little more familiar with some things, and I really scratched
my head as to the accuracy of the accusations. However,
I'm not I won't. I don't want to say anything
or paint anything. But I really feel like when you
go back into a thing and go, hey, this has
been a what are you doing?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Because don't tell me that. Everybody
who want needs to know knows they know, and you're
not telling me that even I mean, you know, every
neighborhood's got a Gladys. She's sitting there. Oh yeah, I
don't know what they called her day. It used to
be Gladys, then it became Gale. Oh, I know what
it is. It's Karen, Karen, she right, she's sitting there.
You don't think that somebody's gonna report every move this
person's making. We need to go and fam the flames
of fear and anger and hold our kids tighter and and.
Speaker 3: Do what right I mean. I remember when I was
at Fisher, we talked about this thing called infotainment, and
we brought in a sixty minutes reporter who laughed off
the idea of infotainment like she was above it, Like
how could you say this? Doctor Lopicaro was right, because
that's where we're at now in the infotainment industry. What
happens is is that now Rochester, where the feeder markets
where you came out of school and you went to work,
we're like like a Fort Wayne, Indiana, or Eerie or Elmira.
Now they're coming straight to Rochester or they're going like
now because now like there's just there's too many kids.
Nobody pays pays enough for the jobs. There's a lot
more turnover. So now you those experienced people like the
Doug Emwliges and the don Al Harts, they're not around
anymore to guide these kids. So now it's kids leading
kids on the news, or what do we do? We
just do what we do on social media, only we
put it on the freaking news. And there's no news
director there or executive producer to say, hold on a second,
let's look at this ethically. They don't do that anymore. Now,
just put it on the freaking news. Yeah, I'm sorry,
news friends, you know it's true.
Speaker 1: I don't want to have them around them too hard.
I just thought this one thing, there's too why well?
I think also, we don't have enough to fill go
out and follow up on this story. And it's not
bad to follow up on the story. But if there's
really nothing there, is it right to put it on
where you're just fanning the flames of what could turn
out to be a big nothing burger. Yeah, I don't know.
We'll take a moment. The Durin story. This is the
most bizarre, weird, strange story I've ever heard or heard
in a while. It is almost like a Stephen King novel. Okay, yeah, wow,
and yeah, and it's real. It's not a show shank story.
It's like an it's story. It's an it's story. Oh,
I wouldn't say it more like misery.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh gosh, because that could actually happen. Wow,
because it really doesn't.
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Shot Shank really doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Now, really, Shawshank, it's not You're not tunneling your way
out of prison too easily. Although a couple of guys
did it up.
Speaker 3: North Family guy that actually did like actually ask that
question what they pretend to have Tim Robbins and Margaret
Freeman like doing a panel huh and Peter Griffith's so,
how are you able to put the post of Raquel
well so taut against the hole in the wall from
inside the hole? Nobody ever explained that. That's why I
hate the movie because you couldn't explain that part, like,
because everybody who's ever watched its like, well, how did
he escape? Wow?
Speaker 1: I think he?
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, like not to how do you escape? How
did they not figure it out? And how did how
was the poster so tight against the wall They didn't
realize there was a hole behind probably.
Speaker 1: Never even looked and those walls are all wobbly and old,
and I don't know ruin the whole movie, uh bTB
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I know you were there.
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Speaker 1: Did you have I'll ask, did you have fish fry? No?
Speaker 3: I did not, okay, but they have a great fish fry.
Speaker 1: They have a great fish fries.
Speaker 3: Like the fish fry that like the fish is bigger
than the plate. Yes, that's what they have at bTB.
Speaker 1: And I like the chips, but the fries are just
as good if you want to get that.
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But they have some unbelievable specials that they have unveiled.
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They are they look so good. I have not had them,
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Speaker 3: I knew something was.
Speaker 8: Wrong when a little pretty white girl ran into a
black man's arms.
Speaker 1: Yeah, give it away, Yeah, give away.
Speaker 8: My neighbor does being tested girls because we see is
doing every day. But we getting blue in that girl.
But yeahs to get out.
Speaker 1: Didn't give it away. Give give away, give away, give him,
give away there, give it away, Yeah, give away.
Speaker 8: My neighbor dot being tested girls, does we see is
doing day every day ribs with this dude.
Speaker 1: But we can have a clue in that girl. When
your nat out, she.
Speaker 3: Said, please to get out, open the door. We can't
get in that way. A body can't get through over
the door, only your head. So we kicked them out
of and she comes out.
Speaker 8: And she says, get some old girls up in that
house called down one one and he called him. Something
was home when a little pretty white girl ran into
a black man.
Speaker 1: This was to McDonald's.
Speaker 3: I don't know, I remember give away. My neighbor did
me tests?
Speaker 1: Do we see this door.
Speaker 8: Every days with this dude, But we didn't have a clue.
Speaker 3: And that girl looking in that house, she said, please
don't get out.
Speaker 1: Didn't give a give away.
Speaker 3: This was after this was This was after how'd your kids?
How'd your wife?
Speaker 1: How'd your kids?
Speaker 3: How'd your wife?
Speaker 1: This was a very strange scene like this guy just
said my neighbor had big testicles. We ate we really
lived with this dude. We have clue right in Cleveland,
down in the city, right proper and in a house
you wouldn't know working class neighborhood, probably very friendly, happy people,
all this stuff. I had no idea he was having
women held hostage.
Speaker 3: Zero yeah, zero, And it was like, whoa, Just think
of your neighbor. Think they've got something going on.
Speaker 1: I always think that somewhere something's happening right now that
we're not going to know about for a while. Yes,
you know, unfortunately, and one of those stories I haven't
to have right here.
Speaker 3: So how long ago did this happen?
Speaker 1: This just happened? Okay, And I'll give you my I
try to rewrite this story so they're a little more
condensedly going into big detail. But this is a shocking
case of prolonged abuse. A thirty two year old man
escaped chapter Okay, dude, thirty two year old man escaped
his captor. Well, I'm assuming it's also a dude, by
setting fire to the house where he had been imprisoned
for over twenty years. I know, I know, it makes
you well, what do you instantly do? I instantly go,
what is the mental capacity?
Speaker 3: Brainwashed? Was he on drugs?
Speaker 1: I don't know?
Speaker 3: Was he reliant upon drugs as a child.
Speaker 1: A neighbor's daughter unknowingly waved at him through a window,
thinking he was just another kid. The victim, the thirty
two year old man who weighed ready for this only
what would be an absolutely absurd weight for a thirty
two year old man, away absurd and not going north,
Let's go south sixty eight pounds, sixty eight pounds upon rescue,
I still alive, had been starved. His step mother, Kimberly Sullivan,
has been arrested in charge with multiple crimes in the case.
Yeah was his stepmother.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: The case has been described as something out of a
horror movie, revealing a decades long nightmare that went unnoticed
despite the signs. So from what I could gather, and
I don't think there was news audio with this, this
woman was almost lived like a hoarder. But how there's
no clear indication, like did she marry his dad? The
dad died, and so now she had the kid. Where's
the kid's mother, right, because that's his stepmother. He didn't,
you know, he didn't hatch onto the planet, so there
were other humans in his life. But whatever happened, he
had him, and she would not feed him. He sometimes
would drink water out of the toilet bowl to stay alive.
He did this and this supposedly went on for over
twenty years where and then what he did was he
set fire. He was like living in a closet basically
that's what she had, and he lit fire to the closet.
Imagine me, held capp it for twenty.
Speaker 3: Years and somehow got out and escaped.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, so the fireman come in, okay, and this
guy didn't he was trying keepit suicide away. No, I
think he was. He was trying to get rescued because
he just like at some point there was a a
I don't know why I took this long for a
breaking point, but he lit fire. So the fireman come
and think, if I die, I die. If they saved me, great,
either way, I'm out of here, right, either way, I'm
out of this situation.
Speaker 3: Right was sort of the My goodness, what was she
giving him that his mental state was not? I have
no idea, Like I mean, I mean, like you know
the story about Eminem, but like lunch Housings, his mother
kept making him sicker on purpose so she get attention
that type of situation. But like again, like the kids
in the house, I'm not saying it's much houses because
the kid like she's obviously not praading this kid. I
don't know what years if he's locked in the house, Well,
you got it out there.
Speaker 1: It's an invisible prison, right, It's a visible prison, meaning
that we don't see it as a prison. We know
what a prison looks like. We don't know that this
is happening.
Speaker 3: He doesn't know that it's a prisoner.
Speaker 1: Well I don't. I go how do cases like this
go undetected for decades in America?
Speaker 3: Too?
Speaker 1: Yeah, even when neighbors in community are around and people
are looking, and you know, you catch glimpses of potential victim,
you really don't know. And boy, I want to take
this moment to say, how many people, maybe it was
somebody listening right now, have been kerned about what somebody
else thought today, has been concerned about how they think.
I look what I'm wearing, where I'm This should show
show you that we are so caught up in ourselves
we don't notice a lot of stuff. We don't notice
a lot of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we are, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean I started out by saying, and you were
you were kind of like going, oh that's a little strange,
a little weird, right, that I would look at the
cars driving past me coming down over a four lane
road that would have to go right in front of
my windshield so I can see, and I would try
to guess the mood in the car because we don't
pay attention to that.
Speaker 3: We're with ourselves. Yes, yes, by the way, it's not
it's not a selfish thing. It's not how it is.
Speaker 1: And by the way, you're allowed to be selfish. Sometimes
being selfish is a good thing. It's an absolutely good thing.
Matter of fact, I wish to people, fucking no, I
don't want to say that, be a little a little
more selfish and not not talk about things. I mean, God,
you gotta think the psychological social factors that contribute to
people dismissing or rationalizing red flax. Right, you just go
AS's the crazy lady. Though the house was dilapidated. I'll
say that.
Speaker 3: I think people like when they see something like that,
they don't want to look at it because it reminds
them there's either guilt or it's just this. It's just
hard to look at. It's disgusting. You want to see that.
You don't want to smell, They want to be round that.
You just want to avoid that it's an.
Speaker 1: Ice or well, they're like the crazy people.
Speaker 3: Right, that's the house that has the story. He's in
the neighborhood.
Speaker 1: There's a house by the house upon the hill.
Speaker 3: You don't want to go over there, billy, you don't
want to walk by. There's a woman in there who
will snatch you up lo and behold. We found out
it was true.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, the victim reportedly performed yard work outside at times,
and you go, how does this? Nobody saw it, fail
to intervene. But again, if you're driving down the road
you see somebody working in the yard, and if it's
an older guy or somebody in their twenties, people don't
always have so skinny. They don't.
Speaker 3: People just see like if it appears, sometimes it's called
so and so. Oh okay, So nobody asked questions like
remember the whole Bernie Madoff scam. Yes, okay. So Malcolm Gladwell,
who's a well known author, right, he talked about how
the Bernie Madoff scam. There were other investors who looked
at Bernie Madoff's investments and said to themselves, huh, how
is he pulling this off? This doesn't make any sense.
But you know what he's of money, so screw it,
let's try the same thing. They didn't even I mean,
the red flag went off in their head and they
didn't bother to really try it and investigate, and then
they realized it was a Ponzi scheme. When he got
what he what, he basically turned himself in, right. And
so I think sometimes we don't ask questions because either
we don't want to know, or we just assume, well,
just how it's who they are. We assume everything is normal, yes,
and we are we We just go about our lives
because we got enough on our plates.
Speaker 1: I think I found I got a wife at home.
Now this is this happened in Waterbury, Connecticut, which is
a pretty nice area.
Speaker 3: Here we go, well, this next story sounds like the
plot out of a horror movie.
Speaker 6: And man held against his will in a home in
Connecticut for over twenty years.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he is now finally free after spending nearly.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't instantly you go, what a pussy.
Speaker 3: You? Especially when you find out the man right, But
it's almost like I think it sounds like some people
pay for that experience.
Speaker 1: He was, you know, just starved and brainwauditioned and all
that for you.
Speaker 9: His entire life locked in a room with little food
and almost no contact with the outside world.
Speaker 3: Police rest him from a home in Waterbury, Connecticut last month.
Speaker 1: The house has no windows upstairs. They're all plywood from
the inside. Usually you see plywood on the outside of
the windows. This is from the inside of the house
the plywood, So I don't know.
Speaker 3: They say.
Speaker 6: The thirty two year old man weighed just seventy pounds
when they discovered him pay.
Speaker 9: In the room this afternoon. His stepmother is now facing
charges for holding him captive. I would us report of
Marcus Solos joins us now live from Waterbury with much
more on this very disturbing Marcus.
Speaker 1: They sent the rookie out for this. No, this is
a veteran looking guy, is it. Yeah, you can't see it.
I should have put it up on the screen, but uh, yeah,
it's a veteran looking guy. And man, this house looks
like a nice older house, but it is run down
and neglected.
Speaker 3: Well listen, David.
Speaker 6: An investigation is underway by the school district by Children's
Services to see how this child disappeared from their radar
twenty years ago.
Speaker 3: Today.
Speaker 6: He is an adult and has been living in thousand
and what police describe her conditions worse than a jail cell.
Kimberly Sullivan posted bail today, but she is the one
now facing a lifetime of confinement. The fifty six year
old is accused of keeping her steps on locked in
a room with little food and no medical care for
two decades.
Speaker 1: This is the worst treatment of humanity that I've ever witnessed.
Speaker 6: Today investigators were back on the block of the alleged
House of horrors, which remains boarded up. Last month of
victim deliberately started a fire on the second floor in
a successful bid to be freed.
Speaker 3: The thirty two year.
Speaker 6: Old, who weighed just sixty eight pounds, shocked first responders
telling them about his years in captivity, locked in an
eight foot by nine foot room virtually twenty four hours
a day.
Speaker 1: Throughout the years.
Speaker 7: It appeared that the locks increased in security levels as
time progressed, and obviously he became colder and maybe a
little bit stronger.
Speaker 6: Yesterday, police charged Sullivan with assault. The victim told police
as a boy, he make classmates for food and eight
items out of the garbage. In two thousand and five,
Dulous Children's Services conducted a welfare check when the victim
was eleven and it stopped going to school, but police
say nothing unusual was detected. The victim says for years
he was only allowed out of his room briefly in
the mornings to do chores, and that conditions worsened when
his father died last year.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, that was allowed.
Speaker 3: He was alive for all this allowed?
Speaker 1: This the fuck is going on?
Speaker 3: So the only thing had stopped the father from getting
arrested was death.
Speaker 6: Next door neighbor is still processing the shock.
Speaker 5: I mean've been here for ten years with my wife
and I'm out here cutting the grass. If he were
at that window and would have just tapped and said
help me, of course I would have been, like, what's
going on? I would have called the police something.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 6: The victim canntinues to receive medical care as well as
a psychological treatment in the meantime. Sullivan's lawyer says that
his client was simply carrying out rules that were set
for The.
Speaker 1: Guy's got to be like a primate. Yeah, I mean,
you know what I'm saying, like very basic.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think if you don't have social skills, maybe he
locked up maybe sixty eight pounds could be like, I
wonder how long we before they sell the captive diet.
Speaker 3: Captivity blue zones. Yeah, yeah, didn't. By the way, speaking
of like holding up of science has helped me, didn't
Jackson do that in the van once?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 3: And like did you guys get pulled over? Chenna saw
it and flipped out on him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jackson Riley, I don't know what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember that story, but like.
Speaker 1: I think I don't know if he was kidding yelled
that I don't remember. It's so funny. I should call him.
Speaker 3: But this kid like never figured to pick up a
phone and called nine one one.
Speaker 1: He's got to be like he's got to be like
like like like mildly retarded.
Speaker 3: We can't have used that word. We can, but we can.
Speaker 1: And because here's what, yeah, thank you please.
Speaker 3: We can't use that.
Speaker 1: We can't, we shouldn't, but I'm not to say I'm
not using it. Like I played a thing the other
night from nineteen seventy four that said that word. It's like,
you know people who are like they are great neighbors.
They could live just like you. They go to work,
they come home, we watch videos a different home. But
that's right, Retarded people make great neighbors. And that was
the whole thing. And I go, it was trying to
integrate society. I go, now we've got LGBTQ and and
people were Q, Well, we're a little more yes, right,
but we're a little more tolerant of things.
Speaker 3: Back then it was like, I don't we at least
to use that with puppets, with us that retarded people
were just like us, yeah, and they ate just like
and like, we're like, okay, sure in second grade, Yeah,
what's the problem most? And then you get all there
and then you realize, oh.
Speaker 1: Kids are accepting of most. Yeah, but I don't know
if I would say mildly. And and by the way,
retard only means to slow, slow down or stop, yes, right,
so you know we have fire retard.
Speaker 3: We just take we've just taken the term and we
and then people got angry.
Speaker 1: I don't want to I don't want to use it
in a derogatory but we would ever do that. I'll
tell you what I think. He's a little slow sounds
way more offensive to me. Sounds way more offensive.
Speaker 3: He's elevated is all the way to the time.
Speaker 1: You know, that sounds so much worse to me than
the R word. I'm sorry, I can't. I don't know.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: Imagine being held captured for twenty years and finally escaping
only to find out rent preces is so high you
might end up right back in a storage classes.
Speaker 3: Geez oh this poor kid.
Speaker 1: Thank you, listeners, poor man, appreciate that. Listen.
Speaker 3: That's awful.
Speaker 1: How many people are like you? Wonder how many people
are currently trapped in situations like this? Well, I mean,
I didn't like hidden in plain sight a few weeks Agoland.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize that human trafficking in this country alone
was as bad and as rampant as it is. I
had no idea like talk about being naive just or
it stuck in your own like world, you know. And
I think like in this day you're talking about like
what's Danbury, Connecticut or like.
Speaker 1: Woodbury cut Waterbury.
Speaker 3: Put its way, if there's a b U R I
at the end of a city's name in Connecticut, it's
probably a pretty nice neighborhood and that's the creepy house
in the in a nicer nary area, right, So people
are going to try to like not quite look at
that kind of avoid it. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's a.
Speaker 3: When these things happen.
Speaker 1: So it's near Hartford. It's not a great area. It's
it's more of a working class. It's not bad.
Speaker 3: Okay, oh but it's uh, this lady, I've seen the boss.
They lived in Connecticut. It's a nice area.
Speaker 1: It is a nice area, this.
Speaker 3: Brand new life around the bill escaped my step mother's.
Speaker 1: House and they go, how did how the system failed
the victim? How does it fail?
Speaker 3: CPS shows up and you just like, is that playing PlayStation? No?
Speaker 1: But all you have to be is rational for i know,
ten minutes and then go back to being your fucking
crazy asy.
Speaker 3: Here, he's cool, he's been with the problem. And I'm
sure that day the seek the social services lady or
gentleman was probably backed up and had a lot of paperwork,
and it was Friday, and they wanted to get home
to their kid, right because they deal with this crap
all the time. WHI kids slipped through the cracks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's sixty eight pounds, that's what do you think?
Speaker 3: So like the sports illustrated over the door, that's it.
Speaker 1: Sorry us humanity, Well, that's the thing, And how can
a human being. Treat another human being like that.
Speaker 3: Folks, Like like every time somebody unexpectedly dies or and
they die tragically or they just dropped out of a
heart attack or something, we always say, Hey, look, tell
people you love them. Check on your people. I think
that's something we have to do daily, not weekly or
monthly or annually. I think it's something daily, Like every
day I try to check on one person that I've
connected to them by the phone.
Speaker 1: Or social media. Gean Hackman want to thank to you.
Speaker 3: I Sheean Hackman and his wife were gone for two
weeks and then you find out they died of two
separate incidents. Yes, she died first, right, that was like,
I don't buy that.
Speaker 1: I mean that was way bizarre.
Speaker 3: Well, the dog in the clause is dead.
Speaker 1: She's dead.
Speaker 3: He's dead. But they died of three different like causes.
And like she died like a week before he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he probably maybe he wasn't playing with a full deck.
Speaker 3: No can we say that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: No, I'm not sure they.
Speaker 3: Love to be ninety five At this point, I think
it's accepted. Ageism is the last acceptable prejudice. Billy.
Speaker 1: I just here's the thing people say and you'll see
headlines about this story if you look it up. The
system failed, and what should we do differently to prevent
another case like this?
Speaker 3: Break the system?
Speaker 1: What there is? There is nothing you can do because
unless you know, like my dad lives by himself, right,
I'm not Yeah, I know I'm the captive, but you
know you see him, you don't see him. A couple
of days go by, nobody thinks of anything. He's not
partied her every day, right, this lady and her son,
no big deal.
Speaker 3: Maybe you father apparently died. He's like he like dropped
dead in a field in his in the back of
his house, and he didn't live near anybody. It snowed.
Somebody like like two months later, came by to see
him and he was laying like dead, like frozen for
like two months or something like that. Yeah, the smell real. Yeah, No,
it's terrible, true, Ryan, if you're listening asking I'm about that.
Speaker 1: Terrible, terrible story Dan to dump on your brother on
the podcast.
Speaker 3: I had to find out sooner or later.
Speaker 1: But it does make you what can we do differently?
I guess the only thing to do is to do
exactly that. Just check on people, check on people, check
on people.
Speaker 3: Five people a day.
Speaker 1: Let's do you Facebook?
Speaker 3: Look through your phone and go, hey, man, just thinking
about you.
Speaker 1: How you do it?
Speaker 3: By the way, some people you find out are dead
as I did. That's why you gotta do it? Is
that the one yeah, man who asked me, yeah, and
so I told a story about him involved in Somebody
close to you used to be close to you, and
you said, yeah, I think he died. I go, what, Oh, yeah,
you didn't hear about this. He died last March. Bro,
where have you been? I go, I'm not on Facebook?
That's true because like now, everything happens on Facebook. By
the way, when you're on Facebook, you missed out a
lot of concerts too.
Speaker 1: When you know it's a local on Facebook. Get back
on Facebook and that's okay, I don't miss it. All right,
We're gonna take a moment check out your people. Adam
Schefter is very upset. He's been trying to check on
another guy who needs us one player and he's not
saying it and nyahuasca's getting to his brain all pissed off.
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Taja White, You chants Haji.
Speaker 1: Wife had good every name everybody. You don't have to
come the confessed? Are you looking for you? You don't
find you don't bite you running till running till running till.
Speaker 3: Oh, don't come on, we got your tee shirt, left
me whist and all.
Speaker 8: You are so gone you won't really go.
Speaker 1: I missed the mid two thousands.
Speaker 3: Convid I was a tag by I'm a Idiot and
the Projects. So dope, so dope, so dumb.
Speaker 8: So he's climbing your windows, he's snatching your people.
Speaker 1: Are trying to right from.
Speaker 3: This kid ended up become a kind of quasi famous
the money they made from this song. He ended up
getting his family out of the projects and up become
a drug addict that was on Doctor Drew. This kid, yeah, wait,
this guy, he ended up on Doctor Drew.
Speaker 1: But it was somebody else that made the song.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they else made the song. Somebody else always makes
the song.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It was a white kid. Yeah, put himself in
the video young kid. Yeah.
Speaker 3: And then at the end, he played piano, how your kids?
How'd your laugh over the piano bit? Wait?
Speaker 1: Wait, wait wait, let's see. How do you remember all this?
Speaker 3: I had to produce it all, remember, Yeah? I started
like a week's worth of shows with this bit. Tody
couldn't stop laughing at how things right here?
Speaker 1: Next up Hall and it's great, Darryl's coming to town.
By the way, Now, who is the more the more successful?
Was it?
Speaker 2: Darryl?
Speaker 1: Daryl John Oats has a great song called Ozark or
something that's out there.
Speaker 3: I think John Oates was like kind of like the
Garfunkle of the group, and they said if you took
him away from Hall of Notes, then the Hall Notes
wouldn't really be as good as they were.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember talking to him. I think he
went to Temple on a wrestling scholarship. So I interviewed
him once and I go, you ever throw on the
old singlet? And he got kind of annoyed, and I
wouldn't let cracked. He's like, yeah, he admit it was funny.
But you know, they're doing these dumb radio tours and
that was the thing. But Darryl is coming to the
winery and I'm forgetting the name of it right now,
but somebody probably can remember it. I heard about it
because a young lady my son is hanging out with whoa.
Speaker 3: Who should go? Yeah, the winery and Cuca leg Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's something on the bluff something Bluff Bluff Winery.
Let me see.
Speaker 3: Oh, there's a lot of them out there, Billy.
Speaker 1: I think it's called Point of the Buff. Yeah, Point
of the Bluff, the vineyards, Point in the Buff Vineyards.
And they're gonna have kep Mo with Taj Mahal. Oh wow,
that's like a festival. Oh no, this is They do amazing,
amazing shows out there. They had I think they had
a couple of years ago. I wanted to go. Uh
it was Jacob Dillon.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, wallflowers.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure it was all of the wallflowers thing.
I'm not sure pretty much was the wallflowers all right,
So here we go. We've got yep, she told me
the date and everything, kep MO with Mahall on May
thirty first. That that is right there, great fucking show, unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Then you've got beginnings Meg Williams, Who'm not familiar with,
but I'm sure it's fantastic. July thirteenth, It's a Sunday,
three thirty in the afternoon, Darryl Hall with Glenn Tilbrook. Okay,
then returning I believe and that I love. They have
a song that I absolutely love, and I'm going to
dig it up before I say who they are. But
they're coming. I don't know why I'm going to go
through this whole thing, but i am because I'm excited now,
all right, But it's the point of the bluff, and
they know they're not an advertiser, they're not anything with us.
I shouldn't do this. You would get in trouble in
the old.
Speaker 3: Days when I had a band if we mentioned my
band's name on CMF, one of the sales guys got
all bent out of shape.
Speaker 1: What remember?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the sales guy. He always wore suspenders and smoked.
I forgot his name. I see them all the time.
Speaker 1: He really still is. Probably we have.
Speaker 3: To a bunch of Diggler's Bridge playing at Spenders because
we're playing at Spenders and it's part of my character
on the show. Got a band. If you're done radio,
you sell radio?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 3: All right? Hang on the second here, it's like the
office but with radio.
Speaker 1: Okay, these guys are coming. I love the song. I
don't know why. I just love it.
Speaker 3: You won't know it.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody will know it. I pick aboutside
of the gate.
Speaker 3: She takes the weed train. She tells me everything she feels.
Speaker 5: You can take its fat.
Speaker 1: You're never gonna guess who this is.
Speaker 3: I don't know what is com around the black.
Speaker 1: Because I will up now. They've got this fan twice
A little fucked up here. Point of the Bluff has
the Bacon Brothers. This is Kevin Bacon and his brother. Okay,
I love this song. I don't know why.
Speaker 3: Kevin's not singing, is he?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Oh he is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, till be Kevin Bacon. Yeah, like six degrees. Yes,
oh wowzy easy. I'm glad after sixty some ody years.
Speaker 1: Oh he's been The Bacon Brothers have been around for us. Yeah. Yeah,
see his brother They've been playing forever.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah. They have the Bacon Brothers in July twenty fourth,
and it's Onunday, July twenty seventh. And that may be
because I think last year it might might have sold.
I think the Bacon Brothers came in between there on Friday,
July twenty is Trace Atkins.
Speaker 3: Oh okay that these are fucking are real, Like, you
got to.
Speaker 1: See this place, dude. It is gorgeous. It overlooks Cuka Lake.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 3: We could see it from where Damien. It's at a winery.
So people aren't going to get too missed up. I
mean they could.
Speaker 1: But one of my all time, all time favorites is
coming on Sunday, August third. Lyle love It. I love
Lyle really yeah, I'm a big fan. I love it
John Hyatt where they each play together. They sit down
acoustically and they'll play a Lyle song and then a
John song and they accompany each other on their songs.
Then then another big name. I could start at this
about one hundred bucks Leanne Rhymes at Point of the
Bluff Sunday, August tenth, with that one uh bands in town.
It's not the band I'm thinking of, but they're gonna
be there on the twenty third. Emmy Lou Harris is coming.
Emmy Lou, Emmy lou So Tray Sakins tickets. They're saying
start at one hundred and fifty three. Anne Rhymes one
hundred Emmy Lou Harris one hundred and fifteen.
Speaker 3: They have a concert tip. Is that why they're thinkets
are so expensive?
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's because why you can chargo.
Speaker 3: Slap a tiff. I'd lie, I love it so hard.
That's why you're only gonna get hop.
Speaker 1: They don't talk anymore.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess who's falling out.
Speaker 1: I don't fucking know. I would love to know. I
have wanted to interview Daryl Hall for so many many years.
You have no idea absolutely find him.
Speaker 3: I just I Well, he's got that show on Access
called Darryl's.
Speaker 1: House Daryl's House, and it's shot and Pauling, New York,
which is down by my mother, and he has there's
a club called Darryl's House. He doesn't ever play there,
so mostly cover bands in there. But they have another
place and you can't. There's no tickets to it. There's
no live audience, which I think is a huge miss, right,
But you.
Speaker 3: Got to tell him that when you interviewed, the first
thing you're gonna say to that's probably what doesn't want
to talk to you.
Speaker 1: So well. I used to see him heard in the
Deli and Adams Fheric of Farms. He would come in
and then once he got.
Speaker 3: Rid of the mustache.
Speaker 1: Right, No, he has the other oats. He's the tall
blonde and he's tall. Okay, so I so there was
Hall notes were coming to Canadagua Cemac Okay, sorry, oh
here they come. Yeah, I hate that song, by the way,
all their songs I hate.
Speaker 3: It's not about a prostitute. It's about living in New
York City and in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and women. They weren't there for love. You weren't
going to find love.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's what it was. It was about, Like
who thought it was about a prosthet No, they said
it wasn't about a prostitute. I have the unplugg booked
at home, and they said it wasn't about a prostitute.
Speaker 1: I never thought it was. I thought it was about women.
Speaker 3: A lot of people thought it was about prostitution. It wasn't.
It's about like life in.
Speaker 1: New York CITs in the American top forty. Here comes
your number one? Yeah it was. It was nineteen eighty three.
But so Daryl Hall, uh, yeah, he's gonna play. I
don't know.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 1: Oh, so I was going to Cemac and I get
so I think the show sold out, right, So every
band holds back seats for friends and family, so you
usually get its day of the show.
Speaker 3: When there's not a lot of friends and family who show.
Speaker 1: Up, right, because who's who's a friend and family of
Darrel Hall or people in the band.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mom's following you on the window.
Speaker 1: So I called somebody seats. They called somebody who in
the banned pretty popular band, and they called the percussionists
playing for Daryl Hall, and we got eleventh throw seats.
Oh wow, so we're there watching.
Speaker 3: Oh here he comes Bill Moran Holland out I was.
Speaker 1: I was, yeah, so I'm watching. And then this is
just a couple of years ago and Darryl something happens
and man, he is pissed on stage, like his head
is swinging around like somebody made a mistake. And he
was like, yeah, oh wow, yeah you got I totally.
I was very dialed into what Daryl was doing and stuff,
because I think he's extremely made. I love hearing him.
I love Daryl's house. I'm such the show was on
the Access.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know a guy who modeled his his Rod
General's house. What Todd Tracy from the band Audible they're
pretty popular.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been around for twenty five years. He's got
he's his father had passed away and they left him
the property and he turned the practice spot.
Speaker 1: Did I just see it the other day? No?
Speaker 3: Beard guy? Okay. He he sings and drums for like
a band called Audible, And so they have this huge
garage that's like it's got a built in a stage sound.
If he was just come over his jam, and it's
also pavilion.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could hear him with three Town's over.
Speaker 1: That is awesome.
Speaker 9: It is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So he did it like Daryll those Housens. So
Bill all got ticked off and somebody screwed up in
the band in the vand musicians are weird, man.
Speaker 1: I mean he's looking around, he's I know people. Ever,
he had a kind of jump in point. I don't
know what happened. I was dying to know, but I
would I would want to ask him about everything, you know,
Blue White Soul, Philadelphia, the whole thing. You know, Sarah's smile.
I think it was based on his first wife, or
trying or or le.
Speaker 3: Tangled in three of them. No, okay, but one of
their wives died didn't they And the other one was
really close to her too.
Speaker 1: I don't know, No, iald a lot of football this week.
Buffalo Bill's never talk enough football. Yeah, it could be.
But Adam Schefter, who is big at breaking news that
happens in the NFL, I was thinking about it. I go,
I don't know that. I go to x the social
media platform for anything other than sports and news, yeah,
to find out and I can't find it sometimes because
it's all this other bulls.
Speaker 3: Yes, sometimes because the four utab becomes this like like
algorithm garbage.
Speaker 1: It's like to become an obsolete platform.
Speaker 3: To me, in a way, it's because things though, Is
that that tail still wags media dog?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So whatever's on Twitter or x now is reported on
all the major news outlets and local outlets too.
Speaker 1: Here is Adam Schefter getting pissed off at one A
Ron Rogers to.
Speaker 10: Me, this shouldn't be that hard, right, Like the Steelers
want you, the Giants want you. We're seeing players across
the league make decisions. It shouldn't be that hard. Either
you want to play or you don't want to play Pittsburgh,
you don't you want to play in York, or you
don't like put again for launch. You make decision, you
to drag it out for four days days a week.
Speaker 3: It's not that hard.
Speaker 10: Make decision and live.
Speaker 3: With it, all right.
Speaker 1: No, I know that Aaron Rodgers is hated everybody most yea,
mostly they don't have a favorable opinion of Aaron Rodgers.
I think Antonio Brown, as crazy as he may or
may not be, who used to be a Steeler, has
reported that Aaron hasign it's a tier deal of course, yeah,
or or accepted a two year deal, whether or not
to sign it. I don't know. Is Rogers actually being
dramatic and dragging this out? Could there be something that's
holding up to find trying to work out? I mean
I've certainly had those in mind. I had to. I
almost tanked an entire deal over a bonus structure once
because I was told it was one thing verbally, and
and then I get on paper completely backwards and I
had to fight and fight and fight. I was ready
to just go what but or our journalists just annoyed
that they're not getting the scoops fast enough. This sounds
almost like I go in a way, because I think
most people are gonna hear Adam Scheff, go yeah, God
damn it, make a decision. We want to know why
Chef know about after question.
Speaker 3: Now we're in the era of with Chefter. He's he's
known for breaking news. But I think after you've done
that for so long an authority, you want to be there.
You want to have opinion shared, You have thoughts, and
as a reporter, you're not really supposed to share what
you're really thinking. I mean, you can give insight, but
it has to sound like common sense insight our group think.
It can't sound like it's just your opinion and blah
blah blah. Is then you ruin your cotactions people if
you ever take a stance. I think he's had enough
of Aaron Rodgers, like a lot of people, I think
that Antonio Brown may be right for this reason. The
Steelers they're at a quarterback vacuum right now and they
haven't called Russell Wilson back, and Russell Wilson's a free agent.
Speaker 1: I think, so the story to me is not.
Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers as much as it's what do you want
for Russ?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think I think the Ian Rodgers deal
none or none, And yeah, you're right, and that's a
great indicator exactly that that Russell Wilson is nowhere being
talked about it all.
Speaker 3: The other thing too, about A. A. Ron Rogers is
that some along the life he didn't get something someone
in his life, he didn't get something right. I don't
know if he talks to his parents or if you
ever reconcile with them. He hasn't talked to If that's
the case, he hasn't talked to them in over ten
He felt like he was slighted. He had to go
to a community college. He gets noticed. He goes to
cal He gets drafted like twenty four picks after Alex Smith.
He ends up getting Mike McCarthy's as head coach, who
was part of the Niners who overlooked him. So he
always had a grudge against McCarthy. He won a Super Bowl.
He's a bit of a Baylor. He had to go iohwas.
He's searching for something and it's always attention. But part
of it is not that he's this overly intellectual dude.
I think he thinks he is, and he wants us
to believe he's smarter than he is. I think he
likes toying them like with the media the way Andy
Coffin is and he cough, but used to f with
people just for his own amusement, not to be not
to make the masses laugh, just to make him laugh.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well it's a lot of power.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 11: He loves the attention, the power to be on television
and then on podcast. I think this was on a podcast.
Was and then yeah, re retweeted, replayed everywhere.
Speaker 3: It kind of you know, my sources, it appeared Rogers,
one time Super Bowl champion, five time MVP, is being
a douchebag.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is like that friend that you go to
the restaurant with and takes some forty five minutes to order.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, that's kind of what he's doing right now.
Speaker 3: I've got to wait for him for fifteen minutes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I always go our quarterbacks and being devas
and I think about that and I go, are they
I don't know, most of the attention is on them.
You know, who's talking about your left tackle most of
the time? No money, right, who's talking about your center?
As much?
Speaker 3: Is given much as expected, and so you want to
make it all the money, But you're the one who
at the end of the day is going to be
held accountable for winning a championship or not. Not the
left tackle right, not the center right, you know. And
I mean, well, let me give you a story. There's
a guy we know named Jim Kelly whom and I
know this because Daryl Tally told me this himself. Okay,
after you left the show, we got Darryl Tally on
to talk and Darryl may have, you know, been drinking
a little bit in the morning at that time. This
is before that that broken next story came out like
he was going through a lot, and Daryl believes that
Daryl should be in the Hall of Fame. Now, no
one's ever thought that Darryl Talley was a great player
in Buffalo, but no one ever thought like hall of Famer.
No that yes he did. Yeah, and Darryl said, he
told me. He goes, hey, he told the Bills PR guy, Hey, listen,
you got to help get me in the Hall of
Fame or I'm not gonna endy. He goes, well, we
got to get Jim in this year, meaning two thousand
and two, or else Jim's not getting in. I mean,
the voters were on the fence about Jim Kelly and
the upcoming classes were coming in and Jim was gonna
get buried further and further down the ballot unless they
got him in that year. And when you hear about
the quarterbacks, the greatest quarterbacks of all time, you always
hear about Marino. You never hear about Kelly. Kelly went
to four Super Bowls. Marina only went to one despite
all of his records. Yeah, okay, if Kelly had just
won one, it would have been a slam dunk, no brainer.
Speaker 1: But he didn't win one.
Speaker 3: And people were always wondering why, because you know, it's like,
at the end of the day, ultimately they're gonna point
the two guys while those Bills didn't win Super Bowls,
Jim Kelly and Marvel Leaving. Yeah, and so it's on
the quarterback, man, It's always on the quarterball.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you think about it like I don't.
I never really thought this guy was a diva. Oh yeah,
he's always been a No, no, not not Aaron. I'm
not telling you the guy I'm about to mention. I
never really thought of him as a diva. But his
retirement became a big thing. Or was he was he
not Tom Brady when he unretired and all that. Yeah,
that was a little bit of dramatics and control, and
I think that was more personal stuff.
Speaker 3: Clearly he wanted to control from the of the organization,
away from the head coach. He wanted to run the show.
And of course the producer wants to get in with Schefter,
so he texts Schefter. He goes, tom Brady just announced
he's retiring on his on his series, and so Schefter
reports it on a Saturday, and then Brady goes, no,
that's not true. Well, yeah, I'm retired, and then he
gets on a flight. He goes to London. He meets
with the Glazer family from Rochester and talks them into
telling their head coach, Hey, why don't you take a
seat made visor, because why he wanted total control of
the offense. Yeah, Tom Brady, I've heard, like I recruit
out of Boston, so I've heard Tom Brady's stories. He's
not the greatest guy in the world. He's not the
smartest guy in the world either. He's just obsessed with
football and so that's what he's really really He's great,
He's the best.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was the best.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it. The competitor like Jordan, like
he is a killer. Michael Jordan was a killer. There's
a killer inside there, and he wanted control. He's that
kind of guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think a lot of people who are
very successful like that are.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, well, let's look at Rogers, Let's look at Brady,
and let's look at Jordan. They all felt slighted. Yeah,
oh sure, that's what drove them. Yeah, okay, like that
Andrew Bustamante c I was telling you guys about. Yeah,
he has a podcast called Everyday Spy. He said. The
common denominator with like the bait, the jeff Bezos of
the world, and all these successful peoples that's somewhere along
the light and someone early in their life betrayed them
or hurt them or left them behind somewhere there was
some type of tragedy that they felt they had to overcome.
But when you're an athlete, in a lot of ways,
you kind of kind of have to make it up
a little bit. Yeah, right, I mean, let's look at
our boy, Josh Allen had to send out a thousand
emails to get two responses for scholarships, right, Okay, and
now look at them. And by the way, on the
opposite and you're right. You want to talk about a
way to handle year's press conference after he got that
contract signed. No, he goes, Look, I could take more money,
but what's an extra five million dollars? He goes, I
got a car, I got a house. Now he's mean.
He's not humbly bragging, but he sounds humble like, hey, listen, man,
we're here to win a super Bowl. Because he knows
that's what he's going to be judged on. Yes, he
could be the highest paid quarterback in Terry Pagolo would
gladly signed that check. But he's not being a douchebag
about it. Aaron Rodgers has always kind of been a douchebag.
Speaker 1: Well, I I yeah, I just worried Tom Brady took
less that he could be. Yeah, wanted to win.
Speaker 3: My legacy is attached to rings, not dollar signs. That's
the whole thing.
Speaker 1: And the rings keeps the dollars coming in long after
the game right left.
Speaker 3: The other thing too, is Robert Craft is kind of
in charge of the TV contracts. Yeah, hey listen, Tom,
maybe he was drunk. I'll pay you on the back end.
If you like to take less here for Belichick, I'll
make sure that your television career is a little critive.
He's gonna either gonna make more money in TV than
he ever made as a playoff.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah right.
Speaker 3: I mean, so there you go. But it so, Hey, look,
I love what Alan did. And then there's Rogers, who's
just looking for something curious.
Speaker 1: And I thought this was a little weird. And I
know that most people are gonna go, Adam Schefter, You're
absolutely right, and I'm saying, why do you care? Why
are you so uptight about this? I think.
Speaker 3: Everything I think also. I think sometimes when writers get
slighted or reporters get slighted by a certain someone, then
they will start to go after them a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that makes sense. Yeah, I get that. I
get that.
Speaker 3: Talking way too much in that second. I think I
told them way too many stories? Right? Why?
Speaker 1: Why why are you self critiquing? We haven't even ended yet.
I know, I just what are you doing?
Speaker 3: We could have done without the Kelly story.
Speaker 1: Did I say anything at all?
Speaker 3: I just I just replaying it in my head.
Speaker 1: I will slow down. Geezu's going into it. A Friday no,
Friday's a bad Friday, Friday, Saint Patrick's Day weekend going.
Speaker 3: To the parade, Billy, we go into the prey.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I don't know. I don't
know that I'm going to celebrate Saint Patrick's Day. Uh
like I do or did?
Speaker 3: Because what's funny is that Saint Patrick's Day is on
a Monday.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, and I may celebrate that day. I may
go have corn, beef and cabins.
Speaker 3: Some people be turned into a three day holiday, three
day weekends.
Speaker 1: Oh I would if I were alone. If I didn't.
If I were alone, Oh that's right. A year ago,
you didn't be sleeping under the fucking bridge, i'd be.
I'd be a mess, yes, but I will not be
this weekend. I was talking to a friend of mine
and he goes, yeah Saint Patrick's say. He goes, I
was just saying on my liver, come on, you can
handle it. You've done it before, all right. For Dan,
Billoo thinks he talked too much in the last segment.
I'm Bill Moran, We'll see you. I'm Saint Patrick's Day.
Speaker 3: He was up to. They wouldn't have let us in
the night. We landed and man was like a bridge
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