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Speaker 2: Matt, how you live it?

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Speaker 4: Hey man, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 5: I feel like it's been a minute since I've been

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on here, so I'm glad to spend a little bit

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more extra time with you.

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Speaker 3: It's been too long, and I'm on your website right

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now and I'm perusing all the stories that you've broached

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and I'm sitting there, I'm like, wait a second, here, is.

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Speaker 2: That is that the word? I think it is?

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Speaker 3: A ski jump penis cheating scandal.

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Speaker 2: What in the world is going on in the world

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of skiing and Olympic sports? What's going on here?

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Speaker 5: So this is a serious professional story where I try

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to advance what was going on for something that wasn't

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a college sports story but has a college sports connection.

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Speaker 6: So hear me out.

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Speaker 5: It's okay, you guys haven't heard see I haven't heard

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about this. This came out about about a week and.

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Speaker 6: A half ago, as the Winter Olympics are starting.

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Speaker 5: That the IOC and various like skied governance organizations were

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concerned about people potentially cheating and ski and ski jumping

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by injecting a kind of acid into their penises that

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would temporarily enlarge them. And the reason for this, I know,

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I know. The reason for this is it because like

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having a bigger dog makes you better at sports, but

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that it would increase the size of your uniform. So

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when you retreat back to normal size, you have a

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little bit of extra fabric which creates a sale effect.

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I can help you ski jump a little bit further,

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totally against the rules. So I read about this. My

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first reaction was exactly like yours. I laughed, because you

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know that that's funnier than anabogic steroids. But I then

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called up multiple urologists in Chicago when one of them

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wanted to go on the record, but more than one

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talk to me. I talked to a professor of urology

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at the Northwestern's Medical School, you know, a very high

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profile for uh, you know school out here in the Midwest,

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to get an idea of like, all right, is this

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safe and can this can this kind of stunt be

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used for other sports? And what was interesting, uh as

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a couple of these guys told me, like, we don't

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recommend you do this. Do not inject anything into your

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genitalia outside of a the clinic clinical setting.

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Speaker 6: Not a good idea.

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Speaker 5: However, this won't make you better at any other sport, right,

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won't make you run faster or throwball further. But one

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thing that could and actually I think this would matter

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even more where you live than where I live, is

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that via can potential can potentially help because with with

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being good at sports. Because the way that the that

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the urologists laid this out, that is a medication that

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is meant to improve blood flow throughout the body.

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Speaker 6: We could face one obvious exactly.

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Speaker 5: And there's an obvious, you know, common reason why you

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would take viagara to change blood flow, but there is

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actually some pure reviewed research to suggest that it can

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help with other cardiovascular capacity at high elevation or places

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where you wouldn't be able to.

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Speaker 6: Get as much oxygen normally.

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Speaker 5: And uh, it's not currently an NCAA controlled substance. Like you,

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you will not get in trouble if you pop some

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viagara before running across country, race and elevation.

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Speaker 6: Is this a good idea?

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Speaker 5: I'm not here to tell you one way or the

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other I have I don't. I'm not a doctor, I am.

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this is one potential avenue that could be explored before advan.

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Speaker 6: To give you a little bit of an extra extra edge.

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Speaker 5: And that is you know, this is just the kind

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of hard hitting story you can expect an extra points.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it, man, I was, like I said,

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Where of advice higheraluronic acid? I read through this article? Yeah,

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day and Jay, I'm an orthopedics and sports medicine. I

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mean you inject hyalouronic acid into your knees all the time,

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like it improves uh uh, you know, buoyancy and decompression

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of the joint, a little bit more viscosity of like

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the fluids and the joint to create less friction between

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your bones, right, like hyloochis is a common thing. I

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had no idea that there were skiers injecting this into

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their male parts.

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Speaker 4: That's crazy, you know I didn't either, and this This

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is one of I think legitimately one of the best

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parts about my job is that I can then call

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Speaker 5: These experts explain this, because when I read high hierlogic acid,

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my first thought is, like, that sounds like something that

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a bond villain would use to distinegra. It's somebody right,

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as like a naturally producing thing in your body.

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Speaker 4: Even though I know that it is.

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Speaker 6: I took seventh grade science too.

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Speaker 5: But then the doctors are like, no, same thing that

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you said, your body produces this naturally use for around

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joint therapy. I also understand it's a common ingredient and

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a lot of skincare to to rehydrate and and to

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and to treat you know, some skin issues.

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Speaker 6: All that's great.

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Speaker 5: UH, do not recommend you put it anywhere else outside

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Speaker 2: Let's pivot, let's talk. Uh.

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Speaker 3: An athletic director is stating, maybe it's time we've heard

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rumors of this, right, We've heard theories on what could

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happen the P four disassociatinghimself from the rest of the

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college athletics world, maybe it's time to split up D

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one athletics. Drawing on his experience as an athletic director

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and two America East schools, Brian Burrio Uh pitches of

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for a very different NC douablea what's cook in here?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: So, And it's funny because I've heard very I mean,

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of this pitch from a lot of other low major leaders.

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Speaker 4: And part of the part of the crux.

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Speaker 5: Of the of the argument here isn't just yeah, what

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what Ohio State and Texas and by U and Utah

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and then anybody else are doing financially is so dramatically

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different from what low majors are doing, And it's it

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seems silly to pretend that that you should all operate

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under the same rules.

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Speaker 7: But something else that Brian mentions, I don't know if

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I agree with it, but I have heard this from

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other low major ads, is that there may be value

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in splitting up Division One for other sport championships besides basketball.

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Speaker 5: In the name of providing a better experience for the athletes,

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for example, where there are lots of mid major programs

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that are really good, right like I know that Weaber.

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Speaker 4: Has been you know, very you.

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Speaker 5: Know, competitive for a while, and then there's there's good

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volleyball in the state of Utah and in Arizona and

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California and lots.

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Speaker 6: Of other places.

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Speaker 5: But generally, if you win a low major league with

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like outside the Big West, and you get into a

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first round matchup as somebody from the SEC, you're gonna get.

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Speaker 6: Stomped in thirty minutes. Those aren't competitive.

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Speaker 5: A lot of the softball early College World Series matchups

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are not competitive. They were twenty years ago, but they're

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not now as more money has flown in. And the

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argument that Brian's advancing here is wouldn't it be better

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if you won the America East and something that wasn't

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men's or women's basketball and then had a chance to

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actually win three or four other postseason games against teams

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that were more like you, rather than your reward being

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to get you know, plastered into the sun by LSU.

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Speaker 6: That's the values question.

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Speaker 5: So I can't necessarily ask, you know, answer that.

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Speaker 6: But he's not the first guy that's I've talked to

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in this business that have said, yes, I agree.

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Speaker 5: If you quote me on it, I'll deny it political suicide,

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but I agree with him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Uh, it's intriguing, there's no doubt, And I

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don't know what the next steps are. And uh, and

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next problem to solve? Is it bifurcating?

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Speaker 2: Is it is it?

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Speaker 3: Is it dissecting you know, the different levels of athletics

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within the colleges within the NC douable A maybe? Is

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it figuring out collective bargain agreement? Like, what's the next step.

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if you're the all uh, if you're the commissioner of

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college athletics and let's say college football, and to pick

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in particular, what's the next problem to solve?

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Speaker 5: Well, it's tough because so you know a lot of

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the things you're you're and we've talked about this on

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the year lots of times about collective bargaining or the transfer.

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Speaker 6: Portal or salary caps right.

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Speaker 5: Even if I was made commissioner with dictatorial powers throughout

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higher education to pitch something which I don't want that power,

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it wouldn't be legal unless you're unless you're making me

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the dictator of like the federal government, which case I

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definitely don't want that. The problem is what can you

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make among the schools that won't get you sued and

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then you lose when you find a friendly local judge

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like we just saw here with Trinidad, although I actually

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him than maybe some other ones. Where you've got the

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Alabama basketball I just I tweeted about this a couple

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of a couple of hours ago. We have a new

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case in baseball with a gentleman playing in nevad Areno

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who's like.

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Speaker 6: Hey, I you know, I played a year in n

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Speaker 5: They're always going to have those things, and I don't

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know if there's a good way or even not a

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good way away at all to enforce any of this

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absence something changing in Congress or something changing with with

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with a you know, the Supreme Court or our federal

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court decision I, and you can't none of those things.

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changing how you how you structure the calendar, and some

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of these things schools can do that. I don't know

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if there's if there's meaningful momentum to shift any of

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That's the hard thing about college sports man, right. It's like, well,

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almost everybody, we all know what the problems are, right,

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Speaker 6: At the spreadsheets. It's not rocket science.

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Speaker 5: But to make a solution, it's going to require somebody

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Speaker 6: Hearts more egalitariat.

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Speaker 5: You know, that's a that's a problem for a priest,

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not album for a reporter.

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Speaker 3: Matt Brown extra points here on your Utah ESPN radio network.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: This, uh, you know, the the the buzz right now

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around you know, Trinidad chamblers, uh finding. Yeah, a judge

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you mentioned it. I can't remember exactly what you said.

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A friendly A friendly judge that may be friendly towards

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Speaker 5: And and there's only what two law schools in.

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Speaker 6: The state of Mississippi.

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Speaker 5: So if you sue somebody and it's and they're there,

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the chances are that the judge you're going to get

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is an all miss guy, and and that that will

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often make it easier to get a little bit of

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home cooking.

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Speaker 6: I get it.

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Speaker 3: So it does seem like if you lawyer up, you're

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probably I mean, there's a good bet that you're gonna

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get uh you know, some sort of uh favorable outcome,

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right Like, it seems like it has the NCAA won

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any of these cases recently where someone's lawyered up for

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additional years of eligibility.

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Speaker 5: Actually, the NCAA has won the majority of them. What

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they'll tell you is like, if you look at all

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the people who have sued to get additional eligibility over

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like the last year, the nc DOUAA has a win rate.

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of the time. The problem, though, is that you kind

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of have to win all of them if the goal

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is to dissuade other people from suing. And sometimes there

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are cases that where there are legitimately extenuating circumstances where

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maybe a waiver should or shouldn't have been applied, and

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that's part of why they're they're begging for for federal aid.

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You can if you lawyer up right now. Obviously it

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depends on where you're located.

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Speaker 6: In the specific facts. But unless you get unless you get.

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Speaker 5: Tom Mars or or you have you have the facts

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on your side, you'll probably lose.

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Speaker 6: But there's a enough.

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Speaker 5: Of a chance for you to win that it's going

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to continue to attract people to continue to file those cases,

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you know, I think. I think it's the same thing

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for a lot of accident law. Right, it doesn't matter

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if you win every time. You just have to win

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enough to where it makes financial sense to keep.

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Speaker 6: Filing the suits. And I don't think that's going away

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anytime soon.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Indeed, as far as the state of college athletics. So

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you're feeling more optimistic more pessimistic about the state of

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college athletics right now.

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Speaker 5: There's I mean, there's a lot of things I still like,

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right and we can look at this commercially, You and

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I can take a step back and go, Hey, people

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are still going to the games, people are still watching

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the games on TV.

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Speaker 6: The games are still really fun.

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Speaker 5: And in our line of work, we get to know

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some of the coaches and some of the players and

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some of the other stories, and there's lots of exciting,

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optimistic you know, thinks about all this.

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Speaker 6: If I felt really pessimistic, I'd quit and go get

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a real job.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not at that point yet. But I think

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there is something legitimately troubling that so many, you know,

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kind of basic issues in this sport are coming down

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to lawyering up. Whether that's how a long can you

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play college sports, whether that's can you do you have

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to honor a contract between one school or anything else?

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Speaker 6: Or can you lawyer up and get out of that?

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Speaker 5: Do you have to honor an agreement with the particular conference,

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or can a conference arbitrarily keep you out of a

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conference championship game?

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Speaker 6: Like we're seeing locally, well, the solution there is to

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lawyer up.

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Speaker 5: And you know, guys, I write about this for a living,

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and it gets frustrating and.

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Speaker 6: Boring for me.

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Speaker 5: I can't imagine how it must feel for people who

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look at college sports as an excuse to not think

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about lawyers, and long term, I don't think that's healthy.

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this industry, maybe independent of just lawsuits, that I really

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Speaker 6: Some concerns about.

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Speaker 5: Like this, math doesn't work and I don't know how long.

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years because math doesn't work anywhere, or maybe it comes

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crumbling sooner than that. But that but you know, in August,

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they're still going to play football games and we're still

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going to watch them, even if a lot of this

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other stuff has some structs all rot to it, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's always intriguing to see what the next

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steps are amongst the power brokers in college athletics. It's, uh,

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it's not a great day to be a cougar, you know,

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in a couple of different ways. But b yu in

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controversy again, Matt, and it's it's not a good place

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to be. Obviously, there's been a number of different honor

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code violations and legal issues as well over the last year,

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year and a half three in particular. So look, BYU

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sets a standard, it's its own standard that it's set.

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an honor code standpoint.

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Speaker 2: Where it gets.

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Speaker 3: Really icky though, it is like when when legal issue

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us are constantly coming up, Well, what do you make

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of this? Give me your perspective on what's happening right now?

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Is this is this a big issue that uh, you know,

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b YU needs to maybe be a little bit more

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maybe aggressive in their education on you know, in operation

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now we've got babysit better.

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Speaker 2: What's going on here?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this this is a tough question, and I think

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I'm in Chicago and that there's a lot of interpersonal

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uh you know, facts to play with that with individuals

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or what people knew and what they didn't know that

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I'm not privy to, and so I don't want to

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make assumptions.

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Speaker 6: I don't I don't want to, I don't want I

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don't want to make sweeping generalizations.

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Speaker 5: The the the thing that we all kind of have

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to make peace with is that if you're gonna have.

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Speaker 6: An athletic department, and you want to have an athletic.

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Speaker 5: Department that competes at the highest level and all the

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rewards that come with that, you have to recognize that

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you're going to be dealing with twenty two year olds,

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twenty one year olds, twenty year olds in the United

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States of America and the year of our lower twenty

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twenty six, and they're going to make nucle head decisions,

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and they're going to make bad decisions, whether they are

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returned missionaries who are married in the temple and know

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and and and you know, watch Johnny Lingo a thousand times,

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or whether there are people that don't know anything about

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the LDS faith or religion at all. Right, Like, I

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don't I don't think. I don't think you're gonna you're

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gonna prevent yourself from having bad headlines.

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Speaker 2: Sure, if you make.

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Speaker 5: An athletic department of just you know, assistant to the president,

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return missionaries kind of guys, you know.

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Speaker 4: Where I think.

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Speaker 5: You have problems beyond the fact, Like, yeah, man, if

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you've got a rapist on your football team. Youve got

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to get that dude off the football team, like or

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if you have somebody that's committed to felony, that guy

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should not be on your campus. I don't think anybody

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in good faith can say you can have a university

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of thirty thousand people and not admit somebody who might

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later make a bad choice. Sure, Like that's that, that's

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part of the gig. The thing that that everyone has

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to figure out is what are we doing to prevent

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it from happening? And uh, what are we doing to

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make sure that we're compliant with laws and our alleged

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higher higher calling, Like I don't mind admitting this, and

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you know, hopefully this doesn't mean I never get a

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credential at DYU again, But like I had, I was.

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Speaker 8: I was in my feelings a little bit yesterday when

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I saw Gilbert get Get called be an apostle, and

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I'm like, man, I I'm struggling with this a little

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bit because I know some things that you've said about

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athletics or that you've done behind the scenes that I

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don't fuel line up necessarily with an apostolic call.

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Speaker 6: If you're gonna, if you're gonna, if you're gonna line

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up to that.

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Speaker 5: Like it's one thing for a twenty year old to

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make a mistake, it's another thing for somebody who should

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definitely know better.

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Speaker 6: And I think a challenge.

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Speaker 5: For everybody, whether you're DYU or Ohio State or a

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secular school or anyone, isn't just our the twenty year

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olds making the right choice, since it is everybody above

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them who should know better making the right choices to

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to you know, get those people out of the paint

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or or to hold people accountable. And that that's a

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tough question, right, and and ultimately that that that's one

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that people in Salt Lake are gonna have to grapple with,

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or are people that are constituents of this institution. I

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don't I don't think that's like department's broken, but like

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it's it's if you're gonna if you're gonna say one thing,

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by God, you you better make sure everybody is meeting

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that standard as best as you can.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'd agree with that.

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Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's a fair like b

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a use the it sets the standard, right, sets the

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bar and and and and when you set a bar high, uh,

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those that when you don't. When you don't meet that standard,

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the people that don't really like you setting that standard

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or you know, they're gonna let you know about it,

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and they're gonna hold you accountable to that that standard

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that you set for yourself, especially if you know we

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we put ourselves. You know, I've always discussed I don't

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like Ramiumpton Mormon culture. It's not my favorite portion of

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uh of the faith that I'm a part of by

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any means.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes we can go down that path. So I

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don't I.

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Speaker 3: Don't think any UH organization. I don't think any institution,

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I don't think any religion.

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Speaker 2: I don't think any any.

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Speaker 3: Pastor, preacher, apostle, prophet is infallible, right, and I will

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never ever expect infallibility. There will be follies and uh,

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look if David could fall and murder and all in

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the name of Bathsheba, all of us can fall uh

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in some way, shape or form in life. And so

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uh but you just hope, Hey, you gotta we gotta

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be better man, and uh, there you are.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Judged according to uh the bar the standards that you set.

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Speaker 2: And that's just the way that it is.

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Speaker 3: And and so hopefully the way you can, uh, you know,

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do a better job of of Yeah. Look I'm the

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type that and and you know me pretty well. I'm like,

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you know me pretty well.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: I call them red group Red group guys, right, there's

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red group people.

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Speaker 2: Red group guys.

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Speaker 3: They need mentors, they just need more babysitters, they just

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do why, they need guardrails, and they need consistency of parameters.

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And you have to be able to recognize those and

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who knows right? You know, sometimes you don't know that

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they're a red group person, that they're gonna make bad decisions,

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But you want to do everything that you can.

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Speaker 2: And I understand why you're in your feels.

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Speaker 3: I think there's there's plenty of people that harold the

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calling that has been handed down for Clark Gilbert, and

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there are those that disagree with that.

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Speaker 2: And uh, you know, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know if you're ever gonna get everyone in line

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that's like, we love this person. You're not even the

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Savior himself. Jesus Christ was liked amongst his people.

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Speaker 4: You know, unforestionably.

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Speaker 5: And you know what, if anyone's listening to this, I

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think you would be completely share to think why do

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I care what this guy says. This dude's a fiscampalion.

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He isn't get, he isn't he isn't gonna say. And

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you know what, You're right, my friend, I don't I

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don't get.

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Speaker 6: I don't get to say.

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Speaker 5: I could be totally wrong like this. It's just that

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I know this guy a little bit differently than I

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know some random.

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Speaker 6: Bishop in France, right.

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Speaker 5: Sure, And I think I think I would.

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Speaker 6: I would kind of bring.

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Speaker 5: This all together because I've been thinking about what you're

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this dynamic a lot over.

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Speaker 6: The past couple of days.

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Speaker 5: Because it's not not a secret people listening to me.

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Speaker 6: I've been on the show a lot. I'm from Columbus

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and I went.

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Speaker 5: To Ohio State, and I still like Ohio State. And

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Ohio State is obviously a secular institution, but it is

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supposed to stand for some level of public righteousness. It

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is a moral land grant university meant to educate the

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sons and daughters of toil, and it is supposed to

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be for ethical.

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Speaker 6: Good government everything.

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Speaker 5: And guys, if you go to that campus right now,

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we're all talking about this at the moment. There's like

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six buildings named after Jeffrey Epstein's best friend, including like this,

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this isn't a joke, right, like there's there's all. This

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is a place that's done a lot.

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Speaker 6: Of terrible things.

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Speaker 4: And I point this out.

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Speaker 5: Because I don't want people to think, like, ah, you know,

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here's you know, mascot an act to grind against against you.

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Speaker 6: Why, like I it's.

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Speaker 5: This is this is a challenge among American institutions at

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every level and especially in higher ed And I don't

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know if look man if if if there's a university

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in an athletic department ready to be translated right now,

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it's news to me, email me that school so I

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can stand at their feet, uh and learn from them.

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All guys killdren got problems right now. The issue is

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what are you going to do to try and six the.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: Well, there's much good and I see a lot of

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good in what you do, Matt, And love and appreciate you,

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Love having you on the show. Love good you know,

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conversing about all of these topics, from the most mundane

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to some that are moral and ethical and spiritual. Always

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appreciate our time together.

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Speaker 2: I'm fine.

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Speaker 3: Everyone follow Matt on X for the latest and greatest

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in collegiate athletics. Check out Subscribe, I'm telling you subscribe

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to Extra Points MB dot com always something to learn,

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They're always something to be enriched by. And I love

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our ideation sessions, Matt. I love when we talk about

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all these things. I always feel like I learned something

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from your brother.

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Speaker 4: I do too, Bet. I don't tell you this enough.

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Speaker 1: Love.

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Speaker 5: I love you man, You're you, you have a, you

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have a you have a great heart. I always come

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away from the stuff feeling killing better here too, and

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for everyone else, you know, this is the U.

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Speaker 6: There aren't a whole lot of outlets out there that will.

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Speaker 5: Promise to give you legitimate legal analysis, try to break

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realignment news yep, and also talk to a professor of

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dongs about about penile injections and viagra and sports. But,

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my friends, that is the promise I'll make to you.

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Speaker 6: I will do all of those things in the name

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of serious professional journalism.

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Speaker 2: Love it, Appreciate you, Matt. Nobody does it better. Always

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a pleasure, my brother.

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Speaker 6: Let me know if you need to do a good

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have a good weekend.

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Speaker 2: Men,