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<v Speaker 1>Get ready for.

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<v Speaker 2>December fourth, twenty twenty four, allegedly according to that thing

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<v Speaker 2>we call a calendar. This is the Ocell Effective course.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know that because you found it. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>find my show unless you really want to. And it

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<v Speaker 2>is Wednesday, and I'm more than happy to have the

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<v Speaker 2>return of a guest that I haven't had on often enough. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>could we go into the news with this guest? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Could we go into the news that you're not hearing

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<v Speaker 2>with this guest. Surely I could talk to him about this,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, this story that's captivating part of the corporate

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<v Speaker 2>media at the moment regarding the healthcare guy, the guy

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<v Speaker 2>from US Healthcare who was killed by somebody. They're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to hunt him down in New York. It's craziness, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>But then again, I could also discuss the healthcare system

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<v Speaker 2>and what's going on and exactly where he might see things.

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<v Speaker 2>An intelligent guy, a guy who might be connected to

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of colleges, actually interesting political history from the

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<v Speaker 2>state of New Jersey. At one point, no longer living

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<v Speaker 2>there because who can afford to live there anymore? That's

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm not there. But anyway, you know, why is

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<v Speaker 2>he so interesting. Well, he was the first third party

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<v Speaker 2>candidate to get matching funds and get himself on the

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<v Speaker 2>debate stages with guess what the two corporate parties and

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<v Speaker 2>actually have to be a thorn in their side in

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<v Speaker 2>the governor's.

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<v Speaker 3>Race in New Jersey. Not an easy task because.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't remember who else ever did it, and libertarian

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, And also he's got a sub stack

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<v Speaker 2>and many other things that I'd love for him to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you about.

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<v Speaker 3>Murray Sabran, how are you doing, sir?

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, and secondly, I want to find out

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<v Speaker 2>what else you're up to besides the substack, which is

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<v Speaker 2>constantly running, and you guys ought to go and search

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<v Speaker 2>it out, and I'll give you a link in the

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<v Speaker 2>show notes so you can go and hook up and

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<v Speaker 2>subscribe to substack.

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<v Speaker 3>But how are you doing tonight, sir?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm doing great, Chuck. It's great to be with you again.

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<v Speaker 5>It's been quite a while since we've chatted about the

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<v Speaker 5>major issues of the day, and there's a lot to

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<v Speaker 5>uncover here because we just had an election. The Republicans

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<v Speaker 5>to control over of the Senate, barely have control over

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<v Speaker 5>the House, and it's going to be interesting to see

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<v Speaker 5>what Trump will be doing once he raises his right

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<v Speaker 5>hand and gets sworn in as the forty seventh president

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<v Speaker 5>in January twentieth.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, see, and there's the fun part. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a month, but I'm telling you, I'm observing

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening regarding the let's say, the libertarian contingent in

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<v Speaker 2>the country right where they kind of shifted over a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of them just went well, we like the Republican

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<v Speaker 2>candidate this time.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean so much so.

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<v Speaker 2>The guess what, Bobby Kennedy, who is now going to

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<v Speaker 2>work with the Trump administration, and Donald Trump were both

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<v Speaker 2>invited to the Libertarian convention even when the candidate was

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<v Speaker 2>being selected for the Libertarian party. That was all happening,

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<v Speaker 2>And nowadays it looks to me like you could almost

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<v Speaker 2>fold most libertarians. I run into into the MAGA set

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<v Speaker 2>with absolutely no skepticism whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you notice that too, I wonder, Well, here's.

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<v Speaker 5>My take on this whole political situation. Since Iran for

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<v Speaker 5>governor in nineteen ninety seven and subsequently rant for the

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<v Speaker 5>US Senate as a Republican a few years later, When

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<v Speaker 5>people ask me do you support such and such a candidate?

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<v Speaker 5>I said, you're asking me the wrong question. You should

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<v Speaker 5>be asking me what policies of the candidate do you support?

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<v Speaker 4>Which ones he oppose?

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<v Speaker 5>And I do that with Trump because there are certain

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<v Speaker 5>things I support that he wants to do, there are

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<v Speaker 5>certain things I really dislike that he wants to do,

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<v Speaker 5>and then I do my substack to point out the

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<v Speaker 5>strengths and weaknesses of his agenda. And that's what I

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<v Speaker 5>think a good analyst does is that you don't say

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<v Speaker 5>you you don't give anyone a blanket a blank check.

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<v Speaker 5>In politics, you have to really discern what the issues

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<v Speaker 5>are and are they consistent with the oath of office,

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<v Speaker 5>which is to defend the Constitution. And for my take, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 5>most of what the federal government does is not authorized

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<v Speaker 5>by Article one, Section eight.

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<v Speaker 2>See And that's why I love talking to guys like

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<v Speaker 2>you and Jacob Hornberger who's from the Future for Freedom

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<v Speaker 2>Foundation but also he was actually a candidate briefly Libertarian

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<v Speaker 2>Party this year, also presented at Lancer Jacob. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys actually do the analysis. It's not just acquiescence

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<v Speaker 2>immediately like almost like what doesn't matter, I'll just check

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<v Speaker 2>all the boxes down the line. You actually think about

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<v Speaker 2>this individually and go over yes, indeed, okay, this is

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<v Speaker 2>where there's a positive, this is where there's a negative.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not even personal, which I find funny because

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like American politics is more about the personality anymore, yep,

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<v Speaker 2>and the personal rights. It is literally like a popularity contest,

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<v Speaker 2>even more than it was in those nineties there where

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven is the year, like you said that you

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<v Speaker 2>got on the you know, on the line there in

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<v Speaker 2>Jersey and we're the legitimate third party candidate and wow,

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<v Speaker 2>how things have changed since then?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the think the point I've been making to people

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<v Speaker 5>since I ran as a third party candidate and was.

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<v Speaker 4>The first third party candidate to get.

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<v Speaker 5>Matching funds and be under debate state with the governor

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<v Speaker 5>Whitman and state senator and mayor Jim McGreevey, who was

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<v Speaker 5>elected a governor four years later. The point I keep

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<v Speaker 5>on making to people is you don't have to win

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<v Speaker 5>as a third party candidate to affect change. I wrote

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<v Speaker 5>an article many many decades ago in about the nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>twelve Socialist Party platform, and virtually all of it has

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<v Speaker 5>been enacted, and we've never had a Socialist Party president

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<v Speaker 5>or a Socialist Party Congress. And so what happens is

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<v Speaker 5>third party's float ideas, they get debated, they lay dormant

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<v Speaker 4>Usually the Democrats pick up.

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<v Speaker 5>The crazy ideas of the left wing parties in the

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<v Speaker 4>And so to give you an example of what.

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<v Speaker 5>I accomplished, even though I had a very short campaign,

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<v Speaker 5>okay to get the matching funds.

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<v Speaker 4>Until the election, I campaigned on getting rid of the

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<v Speaker 4>fifty five speed limit.

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<v Speaker 5>Believed we still had a New jerseyineteen ninety seven, and

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<v Speaker 5>I said, we need to have a sixty five speed

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<v Speaker 4>Think people said it's sabering.

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<v Speaker 5>Made sense about having a sixty five speed limit, That's

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<v Speaker 3>It actually made a practical sense. I witnessed this.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to just comment really fast, is that

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<v Speaker 2>it truly to drive at that lower speed on the Parkway,

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<v Speaker 2>especially where I always lived off of the Parkway, was

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<v Speaker 2>unsafe considering what we had going on there and the turnpike.

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<v Speaker 2>For the interstate travelers that the trucks and stuff, they

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<v Speaker 2>if they were trying to travel below that speed, it

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<v Speaker 2>was actually causing problems. I know that sounds counterintuitive to

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<v Speaker 2>some people, but it really was.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that it improved.

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<v Speaker 2>Things when the speed limit was raised immediately because it

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<v Speaker 2>just was safer. It allowed traffic to flow in a

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<v Speaker 2>more sensible way. Now that might have been according to

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<v Speaker 2>the design, or it might have been according to the

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<v Speaker 2>way society had moved differently by then. You know, in

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen seventies, maybe the fifty five speed limit made sense,

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<v Speaker 2>but by the time he got to the nineties, it

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<v Speaker 2>did not, you know. So and senior citizens, look, they're

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<v Speaker 2>a strong, you know, a strong voice, especially in Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>There there was anyway I'm not sure about today, but

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<v Speaker 2>politically active in Jersey, for sure. I've heard in other

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<v Speaker 2>states as well. Not so sure about Georgia where I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sitting now. It's a very different landscape here, but I

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<v Speaker 2>mean where they are very, very strong, and they raise

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<v Speaker 2>up their voices. They get heard, for sure, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>not always right. Regardless of what it is they want done,

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<v Speaker 2>it may not be best for everyone, you know, and

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<v Speaker 2>politicians sometimes they tend to pander to one group or another.

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<v Speaker 2>And we've got a problem here as opposed to them

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<v Speaker 2>doing what's best for the majority of the people or

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<v Speaker 2>for the general situation. Sometimes they're just pandering to the

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<v Speaker 2>groups that they feel they need to get elected. And

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<v Speaker 2>there is the biggest problem. But you were right, you

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<v Speaker 2>were dead on right then. And of course they later

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<v Speaker 2>on get forced into it, probably from some other study,

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<v Speaker 2>votes are cast, well, you don't really got to keep

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<v Speaker 2>your promises, do you. So you know, here we go,

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<v Speaker 2>and I say all these things to incite you just

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<v Speaker 2>a touch, but go ahead and continue with your train

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<v Speaker 2>of thought that you are on.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, there are other issues that I campaigned on that

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<v Speaker 5>resonate to some degree and eventually got inactive. One of

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<v Speaker 5>the big issues in nineteen ninety seven was automobile insurance,

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<v Speaker 5>which we had very high rates in the Jersey maybe

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<v Speaker 5>the highest rates in the country, and we had a

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<v Speaker 5>very highly regulated insurance automobile insurance industry, And I said, listen,

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<v Speaker 5>Jimmy Carter, when he was president in the late six seventies,

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<v Speaker 5>derelated a lot of the major industries in the country

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<v Speaker 5>eighties and nineties as we got more competition and lower

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<v Speaker 5>prices in various industries. So I said, let's deregulate automobile

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<v Speaker 5>insurance and we'll have major caloriers come into the state

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<v Speaker 5>who had left the state because of the onerous regulations.

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<v Speaker 5>And Whitman a Republicans, supposedly the party stood for limited

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<v Speaker 4>She couldn't do it. Four years later, when Jim McGreevey.

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<v Speaker 5>Was elected a Democrat, he derelated the automobile insurance industry.

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<v Speaker 4>Geico came in and some other companies came in, and

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<v Speaker 4>auto rates came down. And I don't think there's been

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<v Speaker 5>Another example of how you explain things as a common

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<v Speaker 5>sense alternative to the.

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<v Speaker 4>Regulatory mechanisms that were in place.

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<v Speaker 5>Another issue, which sounds really quaint today is that the

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<v Speaker 5>issue of medical marijuana was on the table and I

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<v Speaker 5>of course was in favor of it as a libertarian,

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<v Speaker 5>that people should be able to use whatever substance they

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<v Speaker 5>of course the Republican and the Democrats were opposed to it.

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<v Speaker 5>And so today I don't think any state doesn't have

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<v Speaker 5>medical marijuana. So in fact, many states have the regulated

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<v Speaker 5>marijuana use altogether. So you don't have to be a

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<v Speaker 4>View in the country.

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<v Speaker 5>In addition, here's a more personal aspect of the campaign.

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<v Speaker 5>One day I came home from teaching and there was

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<v Speaker 4>First Amendment rights.

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<v Speaker 5>And so that's part of case law in New Jersey

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<v Speaker 2>And that is interesting because I mean people today, certainly,

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<v Speaker 2>these signs, right, yeah, But Jersey used to have some

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<v Speaker 2>like that are weird. I mean, think about that, you

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<v Speaker 2>as you're not causing a hazard for other people, right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me, but not everybody sees it that way,

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<v Speaker 2>right for the good of the community, et cetera. And

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<v Speaker 2>that is another aspect of this. So all right, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's the thing, common sense stuff. This is what you

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<v Speaker 2>talk about, and this is what you write about all

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the cheerleading kind of stand where you just

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<v Speaker 2>you know, absolutely accept everything coming from well, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is just the lesser of two evils. Let's just

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<v Speaker 2>in this country in general, accepting leaders and their positions

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<v Speaker 3>The things they've been acted as well, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>You know, can't we go for a higher standard than that,

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 4>Well? Yeah, Well, here's the thing with the Democrats.

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<v Speaker 5>a big welfare state, but even that, they were gung

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<v Speaker 5>ho in terms of supporting every single position in terms

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<v Speaker 5>of spending money. Now the Democrats have become the biggest

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<v Speaker 4>And so that's why I'm writing this.

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<v Speaker 5>Article for a book, which would be a collection of

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<v Speaker 5>essays on taxation. And my approach is that we need

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<v Speaker 5>a constitutional budget, federal budget. We haven't had it in

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<v Speaker 5>my lifetime since I came to this country in nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>forty nine. As a toddler, and I've seen the country

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<v Speaker 5>as I became aware of the laws of the United States,

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<v Speaker 5>that we've gone far away from Article one, Section eight,

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<v Speaker 5>which outlines very clearly what are the authorized activities of

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<v Speaker 4>And you look at the federal budget could article on

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<v Speaker 5>It is a big disconnect because most of the government spending.

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<v Speaker 4>On welfare, on military, on foreign aid are just not authorized.

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<v Speaker 5>And the people who want an expansive government hang their

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<v Speaker 5>hat on the general welfare clause. But as James Madison wrote,

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<v Speaker 5>the father of the Constitution is that the federal government's

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<v Speaker 5>responsibilities are few and defined, which is Article on, section eight,

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<v Speaker 5>while the states have indefinite responsibilities based upon their own constitutions.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's the thesis of a theme of my article.

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<v Speaker 5>And I am about two thirds done, and I should

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<v Speaker 5>have it done next week and the book should be

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<v Speaker 5>published next year. And what I'm going to talk about

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<v Speaker 5>is how we can get rid of the income tax,

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<v Speaker 5>even though the federal government is authorized to have an

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<v Speaker 5>income tax because they mended the Constitution in nineteen thirteen.

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<v Speaker 5>We got the sixteenth a mend which gave the federal

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<v Speaker 4>An income tax.

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<v Speaker 5>Just as the prohibitionists realized they couldn't prohibit alcohol, they

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<v Speaker 5>had to amend the constitution. That's how we got the

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<v Speaker 5>eighteenth Amendment. And so the Constitution has been amended in

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<v Speaker 5>But people like beginning with Alexander Hamilton and going all

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<v Speaker 5>the way through other presidents till today, they think the

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<v Speaker 5>federal government can do literally anything.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, in my piece I wrote, I write, can

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<v Speaker 4>the federal government tax us to one hundred percent? Because

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<v Speaker 4>if you believe the general welfare crowd, why shouldn't the

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<v Speaker 4>government tax us one hundred percent if it's quote for

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<v Speaker 4>the general welfare? Or why shouldn't the government spend all

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<v Speaker 5>And collectivize the economy or nationalize the economy in the

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<v Speaker 5>name of the general welfare? The reductial at absurdum of

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<v Speaker 5>the general welfare clause. People who think that the Constitution

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<v Speaker 5>gives the government an open ended right to tax us

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<v Speaker 5>to one hundred percent, there'd be no constitutional objection to that,

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<v Speaker 5>because they can claim that it's needed for a national

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<v Speaker 5>emergency or war or a better economic condition, so they

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<v Speaker 5>could rationalize anything. And that's why we need to focus

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<v Speaker 5>on the Constitution as binding on the federal government, and

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<v Speaker 5>therefore the government should only do what's authorized. And so

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<v Speaker 5>what I'm hoping to do in this article is to

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<v Speaker 5>quote raise people's consciousness about what the Constitution is all about.

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<v Speaker 5>Since when I became a US citizen in nineteen fifty nine,

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<v Speaker 5>swore to defend the Constitution. So I think I've done

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<v Speaker 5>my part for the last sixty five years to.

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<v Speaker 4>Defend the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 5>From the statist who want to just expand the federal government.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's why we have a thirty six trillion dollar

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<v Speaker 5>A trillion dollar deficit, and it's not going to get better,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think unless Trump and the Musk and the

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<v Speaker 5>Veck come up with solid spending cuts in order to

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<v Speaker 5>downsize the government and remove these programs, either entirely by

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<v Speaker 5>abolishing them or saying the states, if you want to

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<v Speaker 5>do this, if you want to tax your own people,

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<v Speaker 5>to do subsidies to the arts, subsidies to green energy,

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<v Speaker 5>go ahead and do it, because we at the federal

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<v Speaker 5>level have no authority to do all these things. So

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<v Speaker 5>that's I think the essence of what the debate should

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<v Speaker 5>be in this country is what are the responsibilities of

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<v Speaker 5>the federal government and how much money should we should

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<v Speaker 5>spend on that? And the interesting thing is when I

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<v Speaker 5>do the research, when I've been doing the research for

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<v Speaker 5>this article, when the Constitution was first implemented, or I

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<v Speaker 5>should say, when the federal government got on the way

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<v Speaker 5>in seventeen eighty nine, there were only four cabinet departments,

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<v Speaker 5>the State Department, the Treasury Department, of the War Department,

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<v Speaker 5>which became the Defense Department in nineteen forty seven, and

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<v Speaker 5>the Post Office.

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<v Speaker 4>And the Attorney General was part of the cabinet.

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<v Speaker 5>But there was no Department of Justice, which came around

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<v Speaker 5>in the nineteenth century. So if the federal gun could

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<v Speaker 5>function with only four departments at the beginning of our

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<v Speaker 5>life of the republic, then why do we need Agriculture, Commerce,

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<v Speaker 5>Housing and Urban Development HHS? Because the federal government has

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<v Speaker 5>gotten to areas that the free market or the nonprofit

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<v Speaker 5>sector should be dealing with and I've been writing about

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<v Speaker 5>this for decades, that we need to get back to

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<v Speaker 5>a constitutional republic, and that means people understanding what Art one,

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<v Speaker 5>Section eight is all about. In in addition to Tenth Amendment,

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<v Speaker 5>and you have the Tenth Amendment Center.

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<v Speaker 4>They did great work.

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<v Speaker 5>People just read that, they will realize that the federal

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<v Speaker 5>spending and therefore we need to reassess and do a reset.

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<v Speaker 4>To you use a word from the world. They could

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<v Speaker 4>have a form we need to.

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<v Speaker 5>Reset the federal government, and that I think is doable

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<v Speaker 5>as if people understand the nature of government and what

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<v Speaker 5>it means to have a free society, a limit government,

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<v Speaker 5>and a free enterprise economy.

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<v Speaker 3>See.

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<v Speaker 2>Now consolidation is going to become an issue here too,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's going to require some to you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>order to make things more efficient. Homeland security, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people would argue, has become far too expansive, far

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<v Speaker 2>too you know, diversified. You have seventeen different agencies, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Under that umbrella.

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<v Speaker 2>But no one would argue that homeland security is not

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<v Speaker 2>an issue for the federal government to have to well

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<v Speaker 2>participate in, and yet I think it's gotten way out

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<v Speaker 2>of control. There's probably a lot of redundancy and reduction

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<v Speaker 2>that could be done there. I don't know how I

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<v Speaker 2>feel about Rami Swami and Musk though going in there

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<v Speaker 2>and the priorities that they're going to set. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>certain about that. These guys are the people to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out how to do that, you know, taking a look

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<v Speaker 2>at their own personal actions, I don't really have a

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<v Speaker 2>good indicator in my mind as to where it is

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<v Speaker 3>What are your thoughts on that?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think the.

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<v Speaker 5>Short answer is, well, maybe the long answer is the

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<v Speaker 5>foremost responsibility of the federal government is to protect the

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<v Speaker 5>nation from attack and to protect the borders so we

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<v Speaker 5>know exactly who's coming into the and that is the

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<v Speaker 5>foremost responsibility. And if you can't do that, then anything

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<v Speaker 5>else that you do is really disingenuous because protecting the

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<v Speaker 4>Mayors and police have that responsibility. At a local level.

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<v Speaker 5>At the state level, you have state police and the

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<v Speaker 4>People throughout the state are protected.

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<v Speaker 5>So again, police protection, national defense, and I underline the

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<v Speaker 5>word defense, which doesn't mean protecting the borders of other

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<v Speaker 5>countries is the primary responsibility of the federal government. So

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<v Speaker 5>having said that, you could have homeland security under the

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<v Speaker 5>Defense Department and just make sure that the border is secure,

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<v Speaker 5>I think that's just again a common sense notion that

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<v Speaker 5>we want to make sure that people come into the country.

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<v Speaker 5>Like my family came to the country in August nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>forty nine. My father was fully vetted in West Germany

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<v Speaker 5>where we were living at the time. They were refugees

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<v Speaker 5>made sure we didn't have any illnesses, to made sure

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<v Speaker 5>that he was not a quarter subversive, but because he

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<v Speaker 5>the Communists, so if they wanted to make sure he

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<v Speaker 5>me he was thoroughly vetted before we came here, and

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<v Speaker 5>we got papers from his great aunt and first cousin

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<v Speaker 4>His first cousin.

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<v Speaker 5>Before us, and his great aunt, I guess at the

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<v Speaker 5>turn of the century, who raised his mother by the way,

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<v Speaker 5>in America, which is another fascinating story. So again there's

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<v Speaker 5>ways that people can come to America seamlessly. Go to

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<v Speaker 5>the American consulate in your home country, apply for travel

432
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<v Speaker 5>to the United States, make sure you have a sponsor

433
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<v Speaker 5>like we did, that would provide you with resources so

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<v Speaker 5>you can come here, or a nonprofit provide you with

435
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<v Speaker 5>the resources so you don't become a burden on the

436
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<v Speaker 5>American people. And that's the way I think people have

437
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<v Speaker 5>come to America for a long long time. And when

438
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<v Speaker 5>the country was young in the nineteenth century, I don't

439
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<v Speaker 5>think you needed a past, but even come to America,

440
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<v Speaker 5>people just came because the country was growing. There was

441
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<v Speaker 5>an incredible amount of opportunity with land and other opportunities here,

442
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<v Speaker 5>and so that's the great wave of migration in the

443
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<v Speaker 5>eighteen forties with the Irish and the East Europeans and

444
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<v Speaker 5>Asians in the second half of the nineteenth century, and

445
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<v Speaker 5>then there were restrictions on immigration in the nineteen twenties

446
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<v Speaker 5>and thirties.

447
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<v Speaker 4>So it's a fascinating story.

448
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<v Speaker 5>And fortunately we were able to come to America after

449
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<v Speaker 5>World War Two, and so my parents didn't want to

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<v Speaker 5>stay in Europe anymore, since all their family members were

451
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<v Speaker 5>killed during World War Two in Poland, and so they

452
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<v Speaker 5>decided to come to America. And since my father's mother

453
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<v Speaker 5>grew up in America and went back to Poland got

454
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<v Speaker 5>Marrick raised the family and was killed during the war,

455
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<v Speaker 5>he figured, let's go to America and enjoy the benefits

456
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<v Speaker 5>of what America had to offer. And as he told me,

457
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<v Speaker 5>he came to America with one hundred and fifty dollars

458
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<v Speaker 5>in his pocket.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. And you wrote about this in a book, didn't you?

460
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<v Speaker 4>Correct?

461
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<v Speaker 5>My memoir, my latest book, which was published two years ago.

462
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<v Speaker 5>And the wonderful thing about that book is it takes

463
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<v Speaker 5>the reader through not only the timeline from coming to

464
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<v Speaker 5>America nineteen forty nine until the nineteen ninety seven comatorial campaign,

465
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<v Speaker 5>but my political journey, if you will, my philosophical journey

466
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<v Speaker 5>from a liberal Democrat in the nineteen sixties to a

467
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<v Speaker 5>libertarian in the early seventies and flirting with the Republican

468
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<v Speaker 5>Party as well. And so I became a libertarian. Is

469
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<v Speaker 5>reading about the history of the country in greater detail

470
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<v Speaker 5>than I did as a history major as an undergraduate,

471
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<v Speaker 5>and meeting great libertarians along the way. In the seventies

472
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:17.519
<v Speaker 5>like mister Libertarian himself, Murray Rothbart and others in the

473
00:26:17.559 --> 00:26:18.880
<v Speaker 5>libertarian movement.

474
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<v Speaker 4>L with a small L and.

475
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<v Speaker 5>I had great hopes for the Libertarian Party, but unfortunately

476
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<v Speaker 5>it hasn't lived up to it what it could have been,

477
00:26:31.319 --> 00:26:34.720
<v Speaker 5>which is a really powerful force in American politics. And

478
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<v Speaker 5>I saw this firsthand in New Jersey because the way

479
00:26:37.480 --> 00:26:40.680
<v Speaker 5>we raised enough money to get the matching funds is

480
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<v Speaker 5>that we had a copywriter send a letter to excuse

481
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<v Speaker 5>me libertarians around the country and we raised one hundred

482
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<v Speaker 5>and fifty thousand dollars two weeks before the deadline to

483
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<v Speaker 5>apply for the matching funds excuse me. And so that's

484
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<v Speaker 5>how we're able to make a dent in the two

485
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:05.960
<v Speaker 5>party system in nineteen ninety seven, and that momentum wasn't

486
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:09.359
<v Speaker 5>carried through by the Libertarian Party. And the interesting thing

487
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:13.039
<v Speaker 5>about that year, this is where strategy comes in.

488
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<v Speaker 4>In nineteen ninety seven.

489
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<v Speaker 5>There were only two Gubnato races in the country, New

490
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<v Speaker 5>Jersey and Virginia, so the attention of American politics was

491
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<v Speaker 5>on New Jersey and Virginia.

492
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<v Speaker 4>And since I became.

493
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<v Speaker 5>The third party candidate that got into the matching in

494
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<v Speaker 5>the debates. We were getting national press. I was on

495
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<v Speaker 5>the front page of the New York Times, I was

496
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<v Speaker 5>interviewed by the Time New York Times, I was on

497
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:44.079
<v Speaker 5>the various national shows. And so again, when you only

498
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.359
<v Speaker 5>have a six week campaign, so I could appreciate what

499
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.640
<v Speaker 5>Kamala Harris went through since she only had a three

500
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<v Speaker 5>month campaign. But she was the worst potential candidate in

501
00:27:54.000 --> 00:27:56.200
<v Speaker 5>my lifetime, maybe in all American history.

502
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<v Speaker 3>See.

503
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<v Speaker 2>Now that's something I wanted to ask you about, actually

504
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:02.240
<v Speaker 2>regarding this past selection. Okay, and I do keep saying

505
00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:06.079
<v Speaker 2>selection it's not a speech impediment, all right, But the

506
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>thing is, she was a way worse candidate than it

507
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:16.200
<v Speaker 2>seems any of the alleged analysts on the corporate media

508
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:16.880
<v Speaker 2>want to admit.

509
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:18.680
<v Speaker 3>She was terrible.

510
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:20.960
<v Speaker 2>She was so terrible that she didn't even make it

511
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<v Speaker 2>through the primary process when she went up against guess who,

512
00:28:23.960 --> 00:28:28.279
<v Speaker 2>Joe Biden, you know, trying to get on anyway, she

513
00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:30.359
<v Speaker 2>was just an awful candidate, And I wanted to ask

514
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<v Speaker 2>you about that. But something else came up when you

515
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.079
<v Speaker 2>mentioned that you were, you know, on the Democratic side,

516
00:28:35.119 --> 00:28:37.559
<v Speaker 2>say in the sixties, and that is that you may

517
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<v Speaker 2>have indeed been a supporter of Robert Kennedy Senior, you know,

518
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>when he was making his run. And so I wondered

519
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:48.440
<v Speaker 2>what you might have to say about this guy who

520
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:51.599
<v Speaker 2>was definitely not somebody who would normally be in the

521
00:28:51.640 --> 00:28:56.839
<v Speaker 2>Republican Party joining the Trump administration, you know, and now

522
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:59.000
<v Speaker 2>going into that, because there's been a lot of talk

523
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>about it, and on my show there was talk about

524
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.880
<v Speaker 2>it because well, now we're finally going to get files

525
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:06.039
<v Speaker 2>released and all this kind of stuff. We're going to

526
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:10.400
<v Speaker 2>get transparency on JFK's assassination because Bobby Kennedy.

527
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<v Speaker 3>Junior is there.

528
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:16.440
<v Speaker 2>But there's a whole lot more to it, because Bobby

529
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 2>made a lot more sense and I do mean Junior

530
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:21.720
<v Speaker 2>made a lot more sense going to the Libertarian Convention

531
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:23.680
<v Speaker 2>in my mind than did Donald Trump.

532
00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:25.279
<v Speaker 3>But they were both invited.

533
00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.079
<v Speaker 2>And I wonder if you could speak to this kind

534
00:29:28.079 --> 00:29:31.400
<v Speaker 2>of shift that occurred, because obviously you witnessed it. The

535
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Democratic Party in the sixties does not resemble the Democratic

536
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Party here in the twenty twenties. They are not even

537
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:43.519
<v Speaker 2>recognizable between each other in my mind, and the Republican

538
00:29:43.559 --> 00:29:48.279
<v Speaker 2>Party from the nineties is not recognizable to the MAGA

539
00:29:48.359 --> 00:29:51.680
<v Speaker 2>influence party of today. Now that could just be my

540
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:56.519
<v Speaker 2>sentimentality getting at me. But maybe i'm, you know.

541
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<v Speaker 3>Again, not too far off. What are your thought thoughts

542
00:30:00.279 --> 00:30:00.640
<v Speaker 3>about that?

543
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<v Speaker 2>Again, I know you're going to look at the individual

544
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:05.680
<v Speaker 2>and you're going to weigh and measure everything. And obviously,

545
00:30:05.759 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 2>Kamala Harris, if you believe in libertarian principles at all,

546
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Kamala is not your candidate.

547
00:30:11.559 --> 00:30:16.680
<v Speaker 3>We know that. Okay, it's just it's obvious. But what

548
00:30:17.079 --> 00:30:18.079
<v Speaker 3>are your thoughts about that?

549
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<v Speaker 2>The transition from the parties and also the fact that

550
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<v Speaker 2>there's this denial out there about exactly how bad of

551
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<v Speaker 2>a candidate Kamala Harris was.

552
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<v Speaker 3>Those two things if you wouldn't mind, well, I.

553
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<v Speaker 5>Think it's fascinating if you look at the Democratic candidates

554
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<v Speaker 5>from JFK to the president. I think the shift occurred

555
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.039
<v Speaker 5>with the first baby boomer president, which was Bill Clinton,

556
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<v Speaker 5>who brought a lot of baggage to his candidacy in

557
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:50.319
<v Speaker 5>terms of his personal sexual escapades as a governor of

558
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<v Speaker 5>Arkansas and allegations of rape, and so the fact that

559
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<v Speaker 5>he was able to survive his presidency with all these allegations,

560
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:05.200
<v Speaker 5>and then you had his acolytes get on CNN at

561
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:12.400
<v Speaker 5>the time and other news shows and basically downplay the

562
00:31:12.519 --> 00:31:15.839
<v Speaker 5>accusations against him, even though he paid I think Paula

563
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:21.279
<v Speaker 5>Jones eight hundred and fifty thousand dollars for some sexual

564
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:27.720
<v Speaker 5>activity that she claimed he was involved with her, namely

565
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 5>forcing her to engage in sex. So I think that

566
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:36.079
<v Speaker 5>was the turning point in nineteen ninety two nineteen ninety six.

567
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<v Speaker 5>And Clinton, we have to remember, was elected twice with

568
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<v Speaker 5>less than fifty percent of the vote. I think forty

569
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<v Speaker 5>three percent the first time and I think a little

570
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:50.079
<v Speaker 5>bit more of the second time. So he was a

571
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<v Speaker 5>minority president in both elections and.

572
00:31:55.480 --> 00:31:58.160
<v Speaker 3>On parole once by the way, So yeah.

573
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<v Speaker 5>I mean Paro got nineteen percent and then nine percent,

574
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:03.240
<v Speaker 5>so he lost a lot of votes the second time around.

575
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 4>But I think Bill Clinton sort.

576
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.960
<v Speaker 5>Of set the stage for a president no matter what

577
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:13.440
<v Speaker 5>his personal baggage is. Even though he lied on their

578
00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:17.119
<v Speaker 5>oath and that's why he was impeached and not convicted

579
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.559
<v Speaker 5>by the Senate, he was able to get away with it.

580
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:24.119
<v Speaker 5>And and again the defensive Clinton was really absolutely uh

581
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:30.680
<v Speaker 5>stunning that that his activities were sort of discounted by

582
00:32:30.839 --> 00:32:36.039
<v Speaker 5>the by the media, by his acolytes in the Democratic Party.

583
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:43.119
<v Speaker 5>So when you go to two thousand Gore, Gore basically

584
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.640
<v Speaker 5>distanced himself from Clinton, and he lost. And then John

585
00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:51.720
<v Speaker 5>Kerry was a very poor candidate. And then comes along Obama,

586
00:32:51.839 --> 00:32:56.200
<v Speaker 5>the first truly African American candidate, and people just gushed

587
00:32:56.240 --> 00:32:58.720
<v Speaker 5>over him. There was a financial crisis, and again you

588
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.400
<v Speaker 5>had a terrible report candidate John McCain.

589
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:07.319
<v Speaker 4>He was just an awful candidate. He was basically saying, well,

590
00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:08.440
<v Speaker 4>let's bomb Iran.

591
00:33:08.599 --> 00:33:13.519
<v Speaker 5>Remember he used the song from the sixties Barbara Ann

592
00:33:13.640 --> 00:33:14.319
<v Speaker 5>bomb Bomb.

593
00:33:14.160 --> 00:33:18.799
<v Speaker 4>Bomb Iran. And he made Barry Goldwater look.

594
00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:22.160
<v Speaker 5>I think like a peacenik in terms of his persona,

595
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 5>that we should bomb Iran. So then then you get

596
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.920
<v Speaker 5>two terms of Obama and then you get Hillary Clinton.

597
00:33:31.119 --> 00:33:35.039
<v Speaker 5>It's her turn to run for president, and she was

598
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:40.279
<v Speaker 5>an awful candidate and she lost because she didn't connect

599
00:33:40.279 --> 00:33:40.799
<v Speaker 5>with people.

600
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:42.920
<v Speaker 4>I think people didn't like her.

601
00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:46.480
<v Speaker 5>I think she didn't offer anything that of substance, and

602
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:51.759
<v Speaker 5>so she couldn't become Obama's third term. And then you

603
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:55.759
<v Speaker 5>get COVID in twenty nineteen, the election of Trump, who

604
00:33:56.160 --> 00:34:00.440
<v Speaker 5>people thought would never have a chance against her because

605
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.839
<v Speaker 5>people thought his candidacy was a week. But I was

606
00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.440
<v Speaker 5>on a radio show a week before the election in

607
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 5>Connecticut and I said, given the crowds and the enthusiasm

608
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:12.079
<v Speaker 5>that is being.

609
00:34:11.880 --> 00:34:14.519
<v Speaker 4>Reported, I think he's going to win. And of course

610
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<v Speaker 4>he won.

611
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<v Speaker 5>He won many of the blue states that supposedly she

612
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:22.119
<v Speaker 5>was going to win. So then COVID comes along and

613
00:34:22.679 --> 00:34:26.119
<v Speaker 5>Joe Biden throws his hat in the ring, and what

614
00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:31.159
<v Speaker 5>you get is a very weak candidate who comes in

615
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:34.760
<v Speaker 5>fifth in New Hampshire primary. Have someone who comes in

616
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<v Speaker 5>fifth in New Hampshire primary gets the nomination because he

617
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 5>goes to South Carolina and Congressman climber rallies all the

618
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.519
<v Speaker 5>minority voters in there, and he wins there, and then

619
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 5>the rest is history.

620
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:51.239
<v Speaker 4>He wins the nomination.

621
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<v Speaker 5>Because Bernice Sanders couldn't get any traction either, Warren, The.

622
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:01.039
<v Speaker 3>Thing was written really fast.

623
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<v Speaker 2>Here is again, I think it was underestimated exactly how

624
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<v Speaker 2>bad of a candidate she was.

625
00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I famously said on this show. The only

626
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:11.320
<v Speaker 3>thing that made sense to me.

627
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Is that, you know, she was such a bad candidate

628
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:18.519
<v Speaker 2>that if the CIA stole the election, for nobody would

629
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:21.000
<v Speaker 2>buy it, you know, like we'd all know it was

630
00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:23.599
<v Speaker 2>bs and that's why they couldn't stick her in there.

631
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, because that's what it felt like, is that

632
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 2>it was like an automatic thing. Even say a couple

633
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>of weeks before, you know, the Democrats practically had the

634
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.079
<v Speaker 2>attitude of, well, there's no way this clown's going to

635
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.800
<v Speaker 2>beat us, and she was so bad of a candidate

636
00:35:39.000 --> 00:35:42.400
<v Speaker 2>that yeah, and I couldn't find an honesty, goodness Hillary

637
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:45.159
<v Speaker 2>supporter to come on my show if they weren't working

638
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Speaker 2>for the for the candidacy. There was no way, no independent,

639
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:53.119
<v Speaker 2>like somebody was excited about her being president? Could I

640
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.079
<v Speaker 2>find to come on the show. Nobody?

641
00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:59.760
<v Speaker 4>You know, you know, you know it's really ironic. Chuck,

642
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:01.400
<v Speaker 4>you who elected.

643
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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump president in twenty sixteen, tell me Barack Obama nice.

644
00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:14.039
<v Speaker 4>Because if Biden was.

645
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:20.679
<v Speaker 5>Obama's VP, he would think that Obama would give the

646
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 5>nod to Biden as the as the candidate. But Hillary

647
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.360
<v Speaker 5>Clinton wanted it so badly and she thought she would

648
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:33.440
<v Speaker 5>win against Trump, who railroaded in the primary.

649
00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:35.559
<v Speaker 4>I think what happened.

650
00:36:35.559 --> 00:36:40.000
<v Speaker 5>I think Hillary Clinton had stuff on Obama because she

651
00:36:40.199 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 5>must have ties to the FBI and CIA because she

652
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.599
<v Speaker 5>was first Lady, so she probably has people in those

653
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:50.559
<v Speaker 5>two organizations that had stuff with Obama, and he stayed

654
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:54.320
<v Speaker 5>neutral in the race. Or I think he supported Hillary

655
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:58.719
<v Speaker 5>but Obama. But Joe didn't run because, ye, well, the

656
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.760
<v Speaker 5>public the public reason was that his son had just died,

657
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.159
<v Speaker 5>and he didn't want to run soon after his son died,

658
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:06.960
<v Speaker 5>But his son really wanted him to.

659
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 4>Both wanted him to run for president.

660
00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.159
<v Speaker 5>And so I think Biden would have beaten Trump in

661
00:37:12.239 --> 00:37:14.400
<v Speaker 5>twenty sixteen because he would have run the blue states.

662
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:16.079
<v Speaker 3>Well, see, that's the weird thing.

663
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:19.840
<v Speaker 2>That was an aberration because normally, it was just sort

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00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.039
<v Speaker 2>of a given that if you had a president who

665
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.960
<v Speaker 2>served two terms, who would run that next time around? Right,

666
00:37:26.440 --> 00:37:29.000
<v Speaker 2>the guy who was with him, the vice president, would

667
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:29.679
<v Speaker 2>come out and run.

668
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:31.360
<v Speaker 3>It was just the normal thing to do.

669
00:37:32.199 --> 00:37:34.519
<v Speaker 2>We saw that with you know, Bush, We saw that

670
00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:38.559
<v Speaker 2>with Al Gore. He was, you know, the logical next

671
00:37:38.639 --> 00:37:43.079
<v Speaker 2>running president would be the previous vice president if they

672
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:44.199
<v Speaker 2>had served two terms.

673
00:37:44.239 --> 00:37:47.320
<v Speaker 3>Right, That was normal. And that was the weird thing.

674
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:50.320
<v Speaker 2>It was sort of like Obama got behind Hillary, not

675
00:37:50.719 --> 00:37:54.360
<v Speaker 2>behind Biden, And okay, that was a weird sort of

676
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, Okay, so my son just died and a

677
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:58.039
<v Speaker 2>lot of people would have to say, look, if that's

678
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>the real reason, Okay, you know, maybe you're not ready

679
00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:04.519
<v Speaker 2>because it shakes you to lose a child, all right,

680
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:08.360
<v Speaker 2>sympathetically you could say that, but to me, it was

681
00:38:08.400 --> 00:38:11.280
<v Speaker 2>still way too out of order. It was like clear

682
00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.079
<v Speaker 2>that Hillary had this juice that was going to get

683
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:18.800
<v Speaker 2>her over, and the party treated her like there's no reason,

684
00:38:18.840 --> 00:38:22.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, they meetcapped Bernie Sanders. He had an honest

685
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:26.760
<v Speaker 2>to goodness enthusiastic following. I mean even when I took calls,

686
00:38:26.800 --> 00:38:29.199
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I'd never get a Hillary supporter, but

687
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I could occasionally get a Bernie supporter to come on

688
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.280
<v Speaker 2>the show or to call in or something. But nobody

689
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.960
<v Speaker 2>was enthusiastically not among the regular public was enthusiastically like, yeah,

690
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.800
<v Speaker 2>I want Hillary in there. No, it just wasn't there.

691
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.800
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's again because she, like you said,

692
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:51.239
<v Speaker 2>she made no connections. She should have gone with the

693
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:52.199
<v Speaker 2>grandma angle.

694
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:53.000
<v Speaker 3>You know what I mean.

695
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:56.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm a grandmother, I'm a great person, I'm a mom.

696
00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:00.960
<v Speaker 2>She used none of those human things to say, you

697
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:03.880
<v Speaker 2>know what, I'm part of the fabric of America.

698
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm one of you. She didn't do any of that nothing.

699
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:09.280
<v Speaker 4>Well, it just shows you her arrogance.

700
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:12.760
<v Speaker 5>And the thing that really is interesting about twenty sixteen

701
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:14.960
<v Speaker 5>is that Trump didn't think he was going to win.

702
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:17.840
<v Speaker 5>I stayed up all night to watch the election returns,

703
00:39:18.159 --> 00:39:19.800
<v Speaker 5>and when it was announced that he won, he came

704
00:39:19.840 --> 00:39:25.239
<v Speaker 5>on the stage and I said to myself, he's just

705
00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:29.880
<v Speaker 5>was elected president, and he's probably saying to himself, holy shit,

706
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:30.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm president.

707
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:32.360
<v Speaker 4>What am I going to do now?

708
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:32.719
<v Speaker 3>Right?

709
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.480
<v Speaker 5>And he picked the worst choices for his cabinet and

710
00:39:37.639 --> 00:39:42.079
<v Speaker 5>for his advisors, and that shows you that he was

711
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:45.239
<v Speaker 5>not ready. He had no transition in place. He didn't

712
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:48.119
<v Speaker 5>have anything in place, so he wasn't vetting any people

713
00:39:48.239 --> 00:39:51.079
<v Speaker 5>to find out who were the best people for these

714
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.239
<v Speaker 5>key positions. And he brought a lot of the neo

715
00:39:53.320 --> 00:40:00.639
<v Speaker 5>cons into his administration, and that's what I think her them.

716
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:05.559
<v Speaker 5>In addition, he hurt himself badly with COVID because when

717
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.400
<v Speaker 5>Fauci told them, oh, all these millions of people are

718
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:12.199
<v Speaker 5>going to die if you don't have a lockdown, and

719
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:13.840
<v Speaker 5>he had the lockdown for two weeks, and then the

720
00:40:13.880 --> 00:40:16.320
<v Speaker 5>governor's piggyback on that, and then you had lockdowns throughout

721
00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:20.440
<v Speaker 5>the country except in Florida and some other places. He

722
00:40:20.480 --> 00:40:22.960
<v Speaker 5>should have said to Fauci, you know what, this is

723
00:40:23.000 --> 00:40:26.519
<v Speaker 5>such an issue of monumental importance. I think we need

724
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:31.880
<v Speaker 5>to convene a form to get people's perspectives on this issue.

725
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:34.719
<v Speaker 5>Because to have one person in the federal government or

726
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:41.679
<v Speaker 5>Fauci and Bricks, two people in the federal government mandate

727
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:45.519
<v Speaker 5>what should occur regarding healthcare.

728
00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:47.519
<v Speaker 4>It is preposterous.

729
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:52.199
<v Speaker 5>So he really blew that opportunity to say, listen, I

730
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.239
<v Speaker 5>really want to have more voices on this issue, even

731
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:59.800
<v Speaker 5>though you're telling me really direst consequences if we don't

732
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:04.119
<v Speaker 5>like down the country, which of course didn't work. And

733
00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:08.800
<v Speaker 5>now let's realize that the six feet this ends the masks.

734
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 5>And of course the so called vaccine I never believed

735
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:14.920
<v Speaker 5>in because vaccines take years and years to develop.

736
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:17.079
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't take place in less than a year.

737
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.199
<v Speaker 5>And so now people are getting shots every three months

738
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:23.199
<v Speaker 5>six months, which is absurd. And so I think Trump

739
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:27.159
<v Speaker 5>has to be held accountable for making I think egregious

740
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:32.000
<v Speaker 5>decisions that really harmed the country. Because Sweden didn't lock down,

741
00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:35.280
<v Speaker 5>and the results of Sweden were much better than countries

742
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:35.840
<v Speaker 5>that did.

743
00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:37.800
<v Speaker 4>Lock down, there's a lot of evidence.

744
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:42.559
<v Speaker 5>Out there about it, and of course now we're seeing

745
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.719
<v Speaker 5>illnesses come up. Cancer is spiking all over the country

746
00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:50.519
<v Speaker 5>in Mayo, karaditis against among young people. So there are

747
00:41:50.559 --> 00:41:53.559
<v Speaker 5>a lot of bad things happening with this shot. And

748
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:58.239
<v Speaker 5>it was predictable based upon some people's analysis of the

749
00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:02.760
<v Speaker 5>MR and VAC scene or the so called vaccine. So again,

750
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 5>and of course, by not being in the primaries this

751
00:42:07.000 --> 00:42:10.480
<v Speaker 5>time around, for his perspective, Trump did the right thing

752
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.960
<v Speaker 5>by staying out of the primaries because if you were

753
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.039
<v Speaker 5>in the primaries, he could be attacked for.

754
00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:16.039
<v Speaker 4>His COVID policies.

755
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:20.519
<v Speaker 5>The question is would Christy and Santas and Nikki Hally

756
00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:23.079
<v Speaker 5>attack him for that or would they just go along

757
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:28.039
<v Speaker 5>with the establishment narrative that what Trump did was basically correct.

758
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:32.320
<v Speaker 4>So that's one thing I really hold against Trump.

759
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.480
<v Speaker 5>If you want to be a president of the United

760
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:39.000
<v Speaker 5>States and there's the primary and you don't participate, that

761
00:42:39.159 --> 00:42:42.679
<v Speaker 5>is a big f you to the voters. And apparently

762
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.920
<v Speaker 5>obviously it didn't hurt him because he still got the nomination,

763
00:42:46.559 --> 00:42:51.239
<v Speaker 5>But because I was a candidate in the Republican Party

764
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.800
<v Speaker 5>and the Liberty and Party with no primaries. If you

765
00:42:53.920 --> 00:42:57.079
<v Speaker 5>want to get the votes of the people, you have

766
00:42:57.119 --> 00:42:59.599
<v Speaker 5>to demonstrate why you deserve to be the nominee of

767
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:04.000
<v Speaker 5>the party for whatever office you're seeking. So I think

768
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:07.440
<v Speaker 5>from my perspective, Trump not going to the primary to

769
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:11.360
<v Speaker 5>me is a big negative as far as my perspective

770
00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:13.920
<v Speaker 5>on his candidacy because he.

771
00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:16.800
<v Speaker 4>Think he thought he was entitled to thenomination, he had

772
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:18.079
<v Speaker 4>entitled to the denomination.

773
00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.599
<v Speaker 5>This is this is the mindset of politicians that either

774
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.679
<v Speaker 5>they think the public's entitled to other people's money or

775
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.639
<v Speaker 5>they think they're entitled to the nomination. So that's why

776
00:43:28.719 --> 00:43:33.880
<v Speaker 5>I think he lost a lot of support during the

777
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 5>primaries because he didn't get one hundred percent of the vote.

778
00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:38.840
<v Speaker 4>People wanted an alternative.

779
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:42.320
<v Speaker 5>In fact, people wanted an alternative to both Trump and Biden,

780
00:43:42.960 --> 00:43:47.559
<v Speaker 5>and we just got half of that alternative change with

781
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 5>Kamala Harris, which just shows.

782
00:43:50.039 --> 00:43:52.880
<v Speaker 4>You how the Democrats were too smart. By half.

783
00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.840
<v Speaker 5>Is Biden should have gotten out of the race a

784
00:43:56.920 --> 00:43:59.360
<v Speaker 5>year earlier so he could have a robust primary.

785
00:43:59.599 --> 00:43:59.920
<v Speaker 4>Right And.

786
00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:04.159
<v Speaker 5>Again you have to blame his family, You have to

787
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.719
<v Speaker 5>blame the republic, the Democratic insiders. They should have said

788
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:11.679
<v Speaker 5>to Biden, listen, thank you for your service. We're going

789
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:13.840
<v Speaker 5>to do all we can to give you a library.

790
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:16.719
<v Speaker 5>But it's time that we have a new generation of leadership.

791
00:44:17.039 --> 00:44:19.000
<v Speaker 5>I mean, the guy was declining. We saw that in

792
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:22.840
<v Speaker 5>twenty twenty and by twenty twenty three, he was really declining.

793
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:26.880
<v Speaker 5>And for people not to see it, and for this

794
00:44:27.039 --> 00:44:29.639
<v Speaker 5>press every they say he has so much energy here

795
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:33.000
<v Speaker 5>runs ring around us young folks, and it's just a

796
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:38.000
<v Speaker 5>blatant lie. And the media didn't probe this as the

797
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:41.000
<v Speaker 5>way they should. They should have had stories about his

798
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:44.280
<v Speaker 5>cognitive ability. They should have assisted that he have a

799
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:48.239
<v Speaker 5>neurological test, they should have assisted his personal position, have

800
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:52.760
<v Speaker 5>a press conference and go over his physical and mental acuity.

801
00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:56.519
<v Speaker 5>And that's transparency. I mean, you're dealing with the most

802
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:59.039
<v Speaker 5>important job in the world, certainly in the United States,

803
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:03.199
<v Speaker 5>and you want tobody there who's got all the faculties

804
00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:05.880
<v Speaker 5>together and is physically able to do the job.

805
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:07.599
<v Speaker 4>And we now know that Biden.

806
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:10.719
<v Speaker 5>I think, and no one has reported on this. I

807
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:12.679
<v Speaker 5>think the reason he spent so much time in Delaware

808
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:14.840
<v Speaker 5>on the weekends is I think he was getting some

809
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:18.960
<v Speaker 5>sort of special therapy, whether it's oxygen therapy or injections

810
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:22.000
<v Speaker 5>or whatever. Because after he came back from Delaware, he

811
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.079
<v Speaker 5>seemed to be more sharp and alert.

812
00:45:24.559 --> 00:45:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, we never know exactly what they're going to

813
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:31.920
<v Speaker 2>do behind closed doors like that. But this brings up

814
00:45:31.960 --> 00:45:35.000
<v Speaker 2>another issue though for me, And this is something that

815
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.079
<v Speaker 2>I really want to get your thoughts on because to me,

816
00:45:38.320 --> 00:45:42.159
<v Speaker 2>it's an obscene amount of money that was spent on

817
00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.239
<v Speaker 2>this presidential campaign. And I do mean, you know, take

818
00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.719
<v Speaker 2>a look at all sides of this. The amount of

819
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:52.760
<v Speaker 2>money that was raised here is billions of dollars for

820
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.079
<v Speaker 2>what is it, the four hundred thousand dollars job.

821
00:45:55.760 --> 00:45:58.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean really, you think about that.

822
00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:01.039
<v Speaker 2>If I told you, you know, you have to spend

823
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:05.400
<v Speaker 2>one hundred thousand dollars okay, to get you know, a

824
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:07.360
<v Speaker 2>ten thousand dollars job, You're going to look at me

825
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:11.480
<v Speaker 2>like I'm crazy. But this is billions of dollars being

826
00:46:11.519 --> 00:46:15.239
<v Speaker 2>spent for this presidential election. And I don't mean just

827
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:17.039
<v Speaker 2>the ads. I mean they spent a lot of money

828
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:20.280
<v Speaker 2>all across the board. One guy's got merchandise coming out

829
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:23.280
<v Speaker 2>of his ears, fine and dandy. But the amount of

830
00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:29.880
<v Speaker 2>money that was spent on this exercise, okay, in elections,

831
00:46:30.239 --> 00:46:32.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what about that isn't there a way to

832
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:35.400
<v Speaker 2>bring that back, I mean, make it so that money

833
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:38.239
<v Speaker 2>doesn't get I mean, to me, it's a gigantic waste.

834
00:46:38.800 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>The amount of people that are suffering in this country

835
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:44.320
<v Speaker 2>versus the amount of money that was spent on this

836
00:46:44.480 --> 00:46:47.679
<v Speaker 2>presidential cycle, I mean is insane.

837
00:46:47.800 --> 00:46:48.920
<v Speaker 3>What are your thoughts about that?

838
00:46:49.480 --> 00:46:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Well, I've rigged about this years and years ago.

839
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:57.000
<v Speaker 5>After the two thousand campaign, when I sawt the republic

840
00:46:57.079 --> 00:47:00.880
<v Speaker 5>nomination for the Senate, right, I said, instead of having

841
00:47:00.880 --> 00:47:05.039
<v Speaker 5>these dopey thirty second ads, each newspaper in the country

842
00:47:05.119 --> 00:47:09.480
<v Speaker 5>should give the candidates a place in the Sunday paper

843
00:47:09.840 --> 00:47:13.440
<v Speaker 5>to express their position, and the candidate should go around

844
00:47:13.480 --> 00:47:17.079
<v Speaker 5>to town hall meetings in all the states that they

845
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:20.679
<v Speaker 5>want to campaign in and meet the people directly. And

846
00:47:20.719 --> 00:47:23.000
<v Speaker 5>the cable company should cover this, and you don't have

847
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:25.119
<v Speaker 5>to spend money on these dopey ads that it wouldn't

848
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:27.039
<v Speaker 5>and you wouldn't have to raise all this money, and

849
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:30.199
<v Speaker 5>all this money that was raised Chuck could have been

850
00:47:30.280 --> 00:47:36.320
<v Speaker 5>used to open nonprofit health centers to eventually abolish Medicaid.

851
00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:41.760
<v Speaker 5>Because there's a wonderful nonprofit health center here in Naples

852
00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:44.679
<v Speaker 5>called the Neighborood Health Clinic. They've been in business for

853
00:47:44.719 --> 00:47:47.239
<v Speaker 5>twenty five years. They don't take a penny of tax

854
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:50.599
<v Speaker 5>payer money. It's all voluntary contributions. I helped create one

855
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<v Speaker 5>in Bergen County in New Jersey. I support two others

856
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<v Speaker 5>in New Jersey, even though we're no longer residents there,

857
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<v Speaker 5>but they do such great work and they're basically all

858
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<v Speaker 5>on voluntary contributions. That is the American way that if

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<v Speaker 5>you want to help our.

860
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:06.559
<v Speaker 4>Neighbor, we do so through.

861
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:10.440
<v Speaker 5>A nonprofit, whether it's Habitat, the Humanity of the Red Cross,

862
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:14.400
<v Speaker 5>the Salvation Army, a SPCA. You just go down the

863
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<v Speaker 5>list of how many nonprofits there are that are doing

864
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:21.639
<v Speaker 5>great work. And that's why we should reduce taxes so

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<v Speaker 5>people can donate to their favorite charities.

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<v Speaker 4>Saint Jews, children that go.

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<v Speaker 5>There and their parents, they don't get a bill even

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<v Speaker 5>for transportation and stays in the motel or hotel.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's the American way to cancer Hoism.

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<v Speaker 2>The cancer hospital for kids there, Yest Jews right Goohead.

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<v Speaker 5>And the Shriners also, so there are we have everything

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<v Speaker 5>in place to use the term that's buried about. We

873
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<v Speaker 5>have the infrastructure in place to transfer virtually everything the

874
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<v Speaker 5>federal government does to the nonprofit sector, whether it's arts organization,

875
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<v Speaker 5>so you don't need the national arts policies in the

876
00:49:05.719 --> 00:49:09.719
<v Speaker 5>federal government. We have so many nonprofits that are doing

877
00:49:09.719 --> 00:49:12.679
<v Speaker 5>great work. So if you reduce people's taxes, they can

878
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<v Speaker 5>help support their local nonprofit, whether.

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<v Speaker 6>It be.

880
00:49:18.760 --> 00:49:23.960
<v Speaker 5>Literary literacy, literacy centers, job training centers, you name it.

881
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<v Speaker 5>Because the government can only spend what it taxes the

882
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:30.599
<v Speaker 5>people and what it borrows, what the Federal Reserve prints.

883
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<v Speaker 5>That's a whole nother story about the Federal Reserve. But

884
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<v Speaker 5>we need to downsize the government and that would free

885
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<v Speaker 5>up resources because you have all these people in Washington

886
00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:42.639
<v Speaker 5>that are basically paper pushes. They don't create any any

887
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<v Speaker 5>any real value to the American people. All they do

888
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<v Speaker 5>is collect money and spend the money. But they don't

889
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<v Speaker 5>provide any services that could be done at the local level,

890
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<v Speaker 5>whether it's food banks, so you don't need food stamps,

891
00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:59.920
<v Speaker 5>snap program, and so the list goes on and on

892
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<v Speaker 5>of everything that the federal government does in the welfare

893
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.079
<v Speaker 5>state can be done with a nonprofit sector.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there you go, and I urge people to go

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<v Speaker 2>ahead and subscribe to your substack and you also mentioned

896
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<v Speaker 2>to me you've got another thing coming up.

897
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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You're a regular guest on a couple of radio shows,

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<v Speaker 2>So if you want to talk about that or tell

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<v Speaker 2>people where to find the substack, please do because, believe

901
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<v Speaker 2>it or not, we've been talking for almost an hour now,

902
00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:26.639
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I want to make sure people know

903
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<v Speaker 2>where to find your work. And a lot of these

904
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<v Speaker 2>things that we've just heard Murray speak about are discussed

905
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<v Speaker 2>constantly on his substack, and I imagine on those radio shows.

906
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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't listened to all those, but I have taken

908
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<v Speaker 2>note that you're a regular guest in a couple of places,

909
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:44.079
<v Speaker 2>but you also have an upcoming project. So I don't

910
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<v Speaker 2>know if you want to mention that, but go ahead

911
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<v Speaker 2>and tell people where to find your store.

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<v Speaker 5>I do post at murraysaberint substack dot com. I do

913
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<v Speaker 5>a video post now. Instead of writing them out, I

914
00:50:57.719 --> 00:51:02.320
<v Speaker 5>just spend five ten minutes on several topics. I link

915
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<v Speaker 5>to articles that have much more detailed information about the

916
00:51:07.000 --> 00:51:10.719
<v Speaker 5>topics I discussed. So that's Murray Saber dot subsect dot com.

917
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<v Speaker 5>Every Wednesday at eleven a m. Eastern time, I'm on

918
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:20.039
<v Speaker 5>Gary Nolan's show in Missouri, he's a libertarian, and we

919
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.480
<v Speaker 5>discuss so whatever issue he wants to discuss.

920
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:28.519
<v Speaker 4>So today we discussed the economy. What's happening in the economy,

921
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<v Speaker 4>And it looks like the Fed Reserve is doing what

922
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<v Speaker 4>it always does, lower interest rates in order to stimulate

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<v Speaker 4>the economy.

924
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:39.039
<v Speaker 5>But the economy seems to do fairly well without all

925
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:42.400
<v Speaker 5>the stimulations, So why the Fed is doing that means

926
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<v Speaker 5>that one thing that they think the economy is going

927
00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.440
<v Speaker 5>to get weaked down the road. And historically the Fed

928
00:51:46.719 --> 00:51:49.480
<v Speaker 5>lows interest rates when a recession is on the horizon.

929
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<v Speaker 5>But no one sees or recession on the horizon yet,

930
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<v Speaker 5>so we'll see what happens there. Also, my memoir From

931
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<v Speaker 5>Immigrant to Public Intellectual American Story is available on Amazon,

932
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:02.920
<v Speaker 5>and like we discussed earlier, it just gives you a

933
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<v Speaker 5>good overview of my journey in America from nineteen forty

934
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<v Speaker 5>nine to nineteen ninety.

935
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<v Speaker 4>Seven, some personal stuff, some.

936
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<v Speaker 5>Political stuff, and then it's interesting a PostScript in the

937
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<v Speaker 5>book about in two thousand, Governor Whitman was going to

938
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<v Speaker 5>seek the Republican nomination for the US Senate as I was,

939
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<v Speaker 5>and we were going to go head and head in

940
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<v Speaker 5>the primary, but she dropped out a year before the primary,

941
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<v Speaker 5>and I basically got her out of the race, even

942
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<v Speaker 5>though I didn't do anything except I was going to

943
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<v Speaker 5>seek the nomination, and I was told by her campaign

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<v Speaker 5>manager in June of in June of two thousand, she

945
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<v Speaker 5>dropped out the Labor Day of ninety nine, that there

946
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<v Speaker 5>was a poll done I guess in June of ninety

947
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<v Speaker 5>nine that had me a thirty five percent of the

948
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<v Speaker 5>vote a year before the primary.

949
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<v Speaker 4>So it would have been an uphill battle.

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<v Speaker 5>But could you imagine I had knocked off our sitting governor

951
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<v Speaker 5>for the Republican nomination for the US Senate, I would

952
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<v Speaker 5>probably have been one of the most desired Republican candidates

953
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<v Speaker 5>in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for sure.

955
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<v Speaker 2>Look, you could have met up with Ron Paul at

956
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<v Speaker 2>that point and maybe created a great ticket.

957
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<v Speaker 3>You know, that would have been excellent. Right.

958
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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, we saw that too. I appreciate Ron Paul, by

959
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:29.119
<v Speaker 2>the way, But again, you know, when the establishment doesn't

960
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:31.639
<v Speaker 2>want you to go forward, a lot of times they

961
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<v Speaker 2>make it so. And that is part of the problem.

962
00:53:35.679 --> 00:53:38.199
<v Speaker 2>The establishment is not getting the job done for a

963
00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of people, and it's because well, what are they

964
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<v Speaker 2>doing but repeating the same mistakes from the past, looks

965
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<v Speaker 2>like to me, Murray. So your final thought before I

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<v Speaker 2>close this out.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the thing is, I appreciate being on the show.

968
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<v Speaker 5>And if you go to my substack, I have in

969
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 5>my bio section at the bottom of my substack there

970
00:53:56.639 --> 00:54:00.199
<v Speaker 5>links to my books. I have six books published. My

971
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<v Speaker 5>first book was published thirty years ago this coming January,

972
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:05.480
<v Speaker 5>and how to create a tax free America. So this

973
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<v Speaker 5>article is basically an update, a nice summary update of

974
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<v Speaker 5>what I proposed in nineteen ninety five in my book

975
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<v Speaker 5>on how to Create a tax for America. Then I

976
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<v Speaker 5>wrote a book on the Federal Reserve called Why the

977
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:19.760
<v Speaker 5>Federal Reserve Sucks that was published.

978
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:23.719
<v Speaker 4>In twenty eighteen. Then I've written two books on healthcare.

979
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:27.960
<v Speaker 5>And another one on the business cycle, plus my latest

980
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:28.920
<v Speaker 5>book in my memoir.

981
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:32.800
<v Speaker 4>So again, they're all available on Amazon. So I hope

982
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:33.599
<v Speaker 4>people read it.

983
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:36.840
<v Speaker 5>They can bundle it up and give it to a

984
00:54:36.880 --> 00:54:40.760
<v Speaker 5>young person or a middle aged person and get some

985
00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:44.039
<v Speaker 5>ideas about healthcare, the federal Reserve, and how to create

986
00:54:44.079 --> 00:54:48.159
<v Speaker 5>a free economy and a limited government in Washington, d C.

987
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<v Speaker 3>Well, there you go. Limited government.

988
00:54:50.800 --> 00:54:53.119
<v Speaker 2>That's one thing that seems like you know, my listeners

989
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:54.960
<v Speaker 2>don't have a lot in common, but that's one thing

990
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:57.719
<v Speaker 2>they usually do have in common, is that you know what,

991
00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:00.119
<v Speaker 2>this has gotten way too far out of hand and

992
00:55:00.199 --> 00:55:01.800
<v Speaker 2>something does need to be done about it.

993
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:02.039
<v Speaker 3>Now.

994
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:05.280
<v Speaker 2>We may have different solutions in mind, and if we're

995
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:08.480
<v Speaker 2>able to listen to each other and get the best solutions.

996
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:09.280
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

997
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:12.880
<v Speaker 2>And you know, read things like Murray Substack again, murraysabran

998
00:55:13.079 --> 00:55:14.840
<v Speaker 2>dot substack dot com.

999
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:17.280
<v Speaker 3>Go there, get the books. I'll give you links in

1000
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:17.920
<v Speaker 3>the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Notes and have the.

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<v Speaker 3>Views expressed by caller schools.

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<v Speaker 7>There anyone else who happens again on the aera of

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<v Speaker 7>Jelly dot com if you've not necessarily replied the views

1005
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<v Speaker 7>of dot com or Kelly and we are not responsible

1006
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<v Speaker 7>for any stupidity which might in students.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you like history? Real history that you were never

1008
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<v Speaker 6>taught in schools? Why the Vietnam War, Nuclear Bombs and

1009
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<v Speaker 6>Nation Building in Southeast Asia by author Mike Swanson, with

1010
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<v Speaker 6>new documentation never seen before that'll open your eyes to

1011
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<v Speaker 6>events that led up to this. Why the Vietnam War,

1012
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<v Speaker 6>Nuclear Bombs and Nation Building in Southeast Asia nineteen forty

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<v Speaker 6>five through nineteen sixty one. Get your copy today at

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<v Speaker 8>Something did you compt.

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<v Speaker 1>A ex so the spirit can say?

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<v Speaker 9>Side students says nuclear holocaust?

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<v Speaker 4>You know what uranium is right, called nuclear weapons and

1019
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:40.239
<v Speaker 4>other things like lots of you know what uranium is right?

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<v Speaker 1>Bad things?

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<v Speaker 3>Takes a uraniums are bad things? Do youse?

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<v Speaker 7>Expressed by caller school, Is there anyone else who happens

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<v Speaker 7>to get on the air of jelly dot com if

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<v Speaker 7>not necessarily replet he views of jelly dot com or

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<v Speaker 7>jolly and we are not responsible. We're getting stupid, which might.

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<v Speaker 3>Have student you go ahead the truth about the fascination right, well,

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<v Speaker 3>what do you want to know?

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<v Speaker 2>His wild claim Oswald girlfriends he knew ruby and very

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<v Speaker 2>handswer weapons. Really, I imagine I could claim I have

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<v Speaker 2>four wheels. It doesn't make me a wagon.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, Bilby and trying to present the murder of

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<v Speaker 1>John Kennedy, come on now, has.

1033
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<v Speaker 10>A real effort on the DAFA assassination Blaim.

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<v Speaker 2>Go to Amazon dot com enter Judith Baker in her

1035
01:00:20.679 --> 01:00:23.480
<v Speaker 2>own words. You'll get the results for a digital copy

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<v Speaker 2>of a book where Walt Brown utilizes her own words

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<v Speaker 2>and the known.

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<v Speaker 3>Evidence in the case.

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<v Speaker 2>To get at well a different perspective, let's say you

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<v Speaker 2>can get Judith Very Baker in her own words from

1041
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<v Speaker 2>the author himself, signed if you request it by contacting

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Brown at k I A S JFK at aol

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<v Speaker 2>dot com. It's a fun book and it actually dissects

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01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:48.960
<v Speaker 2>the many, many fantastic claims.

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<v Speaker 3>Judith Very Baker in.

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<v Speaker 8>Her own words, thank you for all the great information.

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<v Speaker 6>So Chilly dot Com.

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<v Speaker 10>The War State by Michael Swanson explains the great national

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01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:01.440
<v Speaker 10>transformation that took place and the Kennedy presidency in the

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<v Speaker 10>context of the Times, and reveals never before published information

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<v Speaker 10>about the Cuban missile crisis. President Kennedy would not have

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<v Speaker 10>been assassinated if he had been president two hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 10>His assassination took place in the context of the Cold

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<v Speaker 10>War and the rise of the national security state. Before

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<v Speaker 10>World War II, the United States was a continental republic.

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<v Speaker 10>In the decade that followed, it became an imperial superpower.

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<v Speaker 10>Generals such as Curtis LeMay not only wanted to invade Cuba,

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<v Speaker 10>but knew that there were short range missiles on the

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<v Speaker 10>island armed with nuclear warheads that they could not destroy

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<v Speaker 10>because they were on mobile launchers. Their invasion could have

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<v Speaker 10>led to a Third World War, and they wanted to

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<v Speaker 10>go to war anyway. The War State by Michael Swanson

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<v Speaker 10>reveals why and will show you what President Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 10>up against. For more information, the Warstate dot com, the

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<v Speaker 10>Ichell dot com Radio