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Speaker 1: Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence, and is

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not intended for all audiences.

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Speaker 3: And that's when he grabbed me really fast to yank

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me back in there, and I got really startled and scared,

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and so I screamed.

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Speaker 1: Not as excited about episode three oh one doesn't have

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that nice round number to it, you know. Nevertheless, this

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is gonna be a good one. So welcome episode three

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oh one of Sword and Scale, a show that reveals

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that the worst monsters are real. So apologies for giving

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you the wrong description of the SNSTV episode that's currently available.

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I'm losing track of what's what because there's so much

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going on. But you know, we're just trying to produce

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as much true crime content as possible for you, and

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it all starts to blend together at some point. Regardless

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of my horrible salesmanship, you should go on over to

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We have fifteen full length episodes. They're each about an

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hour long and tell an incredible tale of murder and

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mayhem and only the way we can here at Sword

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and Scale. It was July of twenty twenty two. In

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a little place we like to talk about a lot

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called Florida, this time Boca Raton, a place named after

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the mouth of a rat on a suburban street where

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crime was low and the tesla count was high, along

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with a few vandals, I'm sure. A group of friends

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in their mid twenties were standing outside a big, yellow

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stucco house in Larkspur Trail before sunrise. One of the

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friends in the group was a woman who we will

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refer to as Annie, and her girlfriend, who we will

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call Kate, had been missing for over twelve hours. Annie

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had this feeling that Kate was inside the yellow house,

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and one of the things that clued her into that

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was the fact that her car was sitting in the driveway.

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The night before, she had received some strange messages from

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Kate's phone that did not sound like her. Maybe Kate

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was at a hotel, like the text messages claim, but

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that didn't seem right, and Annie wanted to be sure.

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The friends had rallied around the house in Larksburg Trail

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while the cops did their due diligence, knocking on doors

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and windows, announcing themselves to the property owners, but they

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are met with silence by the looks of it, no

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one was home. It was hard to tell what was

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going on. The house on Larksburg was an unorthodox Jewish neighborhood,

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and the day in question was Shabbat, which is the

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holy day of rest for the Jewish people. Shabbat starts

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at sunset on Friday and ends twenty four hours later

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at sunset on Saturday, and during this time Jewish people

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are not allowed to use any forms of technology. Orthodox

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Jews take Shabbat very seriously, and everyone in this neighborhood

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was on their day of rest like the good Lord.

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The cops continued knocking and calling out property owners, but

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no one responded without cause. They couldn't just break in.

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I mean, do you want cops breaking into your house

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without permission? So the police left, but Kate's friends did not.

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They were convinced that the police had made a big mistake,

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so one of them called the Palm Beach County Sheriff's

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office again.

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Speaker 4: They were officers outside of the house of the missing person,

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and they refused to go inside to retrieve her. So

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I'm just trying to get reconnected with those officers as possible,

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because they literally hung up on me when I asked

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for their name in Bagunberg. If you can't reconnect me,

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then I would like the officers who would get back

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to that call, and I would like their name and

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that's numbers.

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Speaker 5: Peep.

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Speaker 6: Okay, hold on just a second. I never spoke with Tea.

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Speaker 7: So let me.

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Speaker 4: I can rely understand, and you know.

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Speaker 1: What's The scene was tense and he had already reported

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Kate missing to the police department near their home, which

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was in another jurisdiction.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what's your name? Yes, irrelevant, ma'am. I just want

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to know that the officer's name and back numbers. Tea,

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the ones who are.

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Speaker 6: Dissed back for the called for that address.

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Speaker 4: Yes name, we were. We were the same ones who

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both Okay, well what is your name?

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Speaker 6: Fucking verify that or I can't do any information, man, ma'am.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, but but you don't need to ask me

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a relevant questions. I'm asking for the officers who gets

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back to that call, your public servant. I am a

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part of the public, and I'm asking your question. I

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needed to answer the police.

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Speaker 6: I'm not answering any questions related to that address because

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I can't verify or know if you're the one of

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people called.

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Speaker 1: The dispatch operator had a point, but so did the caller,

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and things only escalated from there, as they tend to

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do when one party is emotionally charged.

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Speaker 4: Like I just said, we have a missing person who's

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sitting in front of that house, the house with a

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mentally o patient. But if you want my name, my

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name is John Doe. Now please tell me the officers

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who are dispatched to two two one four seven lakes

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per trail and and and don't ask me another books

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that about this.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I can't take any information because I don't show

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that name listed on a personal calls.

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Speaker 4: Oh so so if I called them to start six

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seven and we got got that on file, right, come on, man,

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let's not play this game. I I don't do this.

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Like he's like, there's a missing person right here. This

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is our friend, which is our loved one.

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Speaker 6: Okay, no one here.

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Speaker 4: No you're not, No, you're not. You're playing what's a

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game with me? Don't play the game with me? To

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one four seven lakes for trail which officers were disbacked

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to that call?

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Speaker 6: Are you're at that location right now?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: I am so with officers with God, I think officers

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that are unstane.

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Speaker 1: If you're there, but the police had left. However, this

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caller was too heated to relay that.

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Speaker 4: Man, are you gonna hang up on me?

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Speaker 9: Book?

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Speaker 4: Are you you're?

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Speaker 6: Is there anything else that can help you with I'm

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not giving you absolutely there is way you can contact.

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Speaker 4: The records and Dad's numbers.

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Speaker 6: You can contact the record's povision or normal business hours

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to get that information. I'm not gonna give you.

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Speaker 4: Man man, man, man man man man No no no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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no no no no, hold on, hold on, hold on,

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hold on No ma'am you what are you doing right now?

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You're actually like, like I'm not calling like with with

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emotion and care right now because I care for one

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of my friends. You're acting like I'm another fucking random

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robot in the world, Like can you please help me

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right now? I'm like, all right, well to help meeting,

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and we are trying to help her and the officers

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outside of her house who refuse to go in there

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and literally save her from mentally ill person come up

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on me. So can you please count me?

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Speaker 1: Why not just say your name if it's the emergency

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you say it is, I mean say your name right.

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The dispatch operator told the caller that she would contact

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an officer and have them call them back. That was

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all she could do from the nine one one line.

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I mean, you can't just call up nine to one

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one and start obtaining personal information about prior calls. There

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are rules and procedures for a reason, to protect the public.

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That's when a calmer friend took over the phone and

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gave his number to the operator. Then they waited as

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intense as it was. That nine one one exchange worked

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because more officers were soon sent back to the scene.

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This time they heard something that made them second guess.

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If Annie and her friends had been right.

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Speaker 10: We would dispatch to this location approximately six forty five

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this morning, sometime roughly and in a reference to assisting

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Lantana Peed in recovering a missing persons from their jurisdiction.

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I arrived here with my trainee deputy parent. We arrived

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here and met with the complainant who filed the original

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missing person's.

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Speaker 11: Report with Lantana Police Department. I cannot recall her name

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right now. She told us that she believes her girlfriend

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is inside that house, and she did record her in fact,

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with Lantana Police Department last night, asked her how does

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she know she's in there?

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Speaker 10: She goes, well, her car is here.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 10: Originally we're trying to gather as much information as we can.

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Speaker 12: Kind of things were not really that clear, but it

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became clear later on when other deputies have arrived that

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she is a therapist and she came here to meet

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a client.

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Speaker 1: Kay was a social worker who had been sent to

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the Yellow House on Larksburg by her boss to check

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on a client. Soon and the officers found themselves walking

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around the perimeter of the house, knocking on doors and windows.

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Speaker 10: Repeatedly, bang bang, bang, bang bang, got no answer. We

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didn't notice that the window to the door was obscured

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with something. We didn't know that was all right. We

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had that conversation, but anyhow, we went the front door,

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the front because we're trying to look in the glass

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see if we can see anything in the house. That

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the obvious front windows had the lines closed. We continued

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around the outside of the house see if we didn't again,

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see if we could see anything. Lmity people inside the house.

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of the house now on the pull deck. There is

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a big sliding glass it's a double sliding glass door.

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to see if it's open. And when we were out

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the door, I don't know where at the moment we

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pulled it or let go of whatever, we heard a

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various loud scream female clearly from inside the house, and

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that's all we heard. And we confirmedly changed, Hey, did

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you get it? I heard that out here that came

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back to the front of the house, the completing from

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who filed the missing personal report. But did you hear that?

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She goes, I heard that? Did you guys hear that?

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kind of confirming. We all heard something from the eastside house.

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Speaker 11: My training got on the radio and made an announcement

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that we heard the screen come from inside the house.

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Speaker 1: Upon hearing the scream, the officers immediately called their sergeant,

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who drove to the scene as any and her friends

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huddled on the sidewalk watching. The officers briefed one another,

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see tell me all.

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Speaker 13: The details they have, and then they say, we've looked

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at all of the those we can't see the windows.

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see it. Again, I think it was a hallway or something.

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We're looking for the phone and I heard all that.

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I said, all right, we're talking about the scream again.

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Because now we have more information that there was something

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about a twenty two were I don't think we had that.

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Speaker 14: This was a piece. I don't remember what.

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Speaker 13: The timeframe was, but I don't think we had that

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right away because I think that's what we were trying

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to figure out, is it's the parents where.

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Speaker 14: They and there's two kids that live in the house.

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It's a twenty six year old team now twenty two

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year old man. So we had that.

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Speaker 13: So the conversation we're having where we're staying on the

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front door is it's this ain't fault final or is

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this an affair?

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Speaker 14: She got caught and it's.

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Speaker 1: That Hours passed and more details began to unravel as

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the day broke. Kate was a twenty six year old

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social worker and the client she had gone to meet

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was a twenty year old man who lived on the

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house at Larkspur. But the cop was right. There were

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many ways this could play out, and one of them

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could have been an affair. So something about this still

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wasn't right, and there was another option.

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Speaker 13: It's a call from Okay, you can write that ship up.

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I said, We'll fucking kick the god damnd you.

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Speaker 1: The officer who originally heard the scream confirmed that it

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sounded off, so the sergeant called his lieutenant and the

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two decided to have fire and rescue come break the door.

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That way, if it did turn out to be a

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Speaker 13: And then we start getting more details, and one of

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the details was that the doctor who is caring for

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this kid, so now we know it's the kid is

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the patient.

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Speaker 14: A twenty two year old is the patient.

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Speaker 13: The doctor who's caring for the kid sent her here

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on a sign it at six pm last night, and

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I don't know if it was him with the girlfriend.

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made contact. I think it was a doctor. I made contact.

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I'm he let me in the house. So now we

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have that information.

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Speaker 1: After realizing that Kate was potentially inside the house with

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a mentally ill patient. The cops knew they had to

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get in immediately getting fire.

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Speaker 14: Recupe've got the lot's what it wasn't doing, So that's

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what we're playing for.

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Speaker 2: Lt.

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Speaker 13: Cohen shows up. So at this point we're pinging the phone.

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So now we're kind of doing like the extra like

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hold on, let's just make sure this isn't some twenty

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six ye old that ran off of a twenty two

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year old.

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Speaker 14: So we're pinging phones. We'll get trying to get everbodys

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number this old time.

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Speaker 13: You know, hey, you a deputy is being tasked with

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get the parents on the phone. We can't get the parents.

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We know the neighbor's host, the parents are out of

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town and it's.

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Speaker 15: I don't know what holiday, but what Saturday is to

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the Jews religion, but something about on Saturday they can't

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use phones, so we knew that they don't usually try

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to send our use phones.

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Speaker 1: Okay, remember that it was Saturday of Shabbat, so the

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all swings weren't permitted to use technology, so no one

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could reach them on their cell phones.

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Speaker 14: And while we're paying the phone can that's on the way.

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Speaker 13: Drones on the way we get this match, says or

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telephone number came at seven am.

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Speaker 14: In Deerfield, so that kind of put the brakes in

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this switch. I'm just mad at waited.

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Speaker 13: And it's nobody's follows just checking bus.

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Speaker 1: So they waited. They followed the protocol, like the sergeant said,

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checking all the fucking boxes. But time was ticking and

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Kate was potentially inside the house. No one had heard

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a peep from inside since the first scream. Then they

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received information that the cell phone ping was off. Finally

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it was time to go in.

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Speaker 13: So once everybody gets into the house and iby, I

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don't even know how many people win because it ended

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up beating everybody once they get into the house. Myself

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and sergeant of yours go into the house, so stick

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teams in front of us. So you went in, yes,

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And now I'm in the front door.

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Speaker 14: There was a room to the right. I did not

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go into it at this point.

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Speaker 13: I had my gun out and we're kind of clearing

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behind them, opening closet doors that they're making their way through.

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Speaker 1: The officers began thundering through the quiet house, opening closets

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and checking rooms with their weapons drawn and their shields ready.

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Speaker 13: And then I started making my way to the other

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side of the house, and they start saying, hey, we

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got a locked door.

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Speaker 14: We got a locked door.

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Speaker 1: At the back of the house, off a bedroom, the

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cops found a locked door and knew the scream had

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to have come from inside. A female officer opened the

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door and was stunned at what she saw hiding in

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the back of the closet.

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Speaker 16: At first, I was like, okay, you kind of do

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that like glance, like, oh, it's clear nothing in here

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that I'm like, no, no, no, assessing, No, there's people in here.

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I now see a man and a female at when

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I saw them, I'm now trying to figure out what

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I got. At first, it looked like he just was

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like choking her out.

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Speaker 1: At the back of the closet was Sea all swaying

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the twenty year old patient, and he had Kate in

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his grasp. See what a name. I guess his parents

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didn't like vowels.

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Speaker 17: So they're they're now talking to me, what do you got?

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What do you got? What do you got?

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Speaker 16: I'm trying to access processing. I'm like, okay, I see

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he's he's got her, you know, And then I'm like, okay,

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now I'm seeing the knife. I'm like, the knife, it's

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got a knife. At this point, as I'm talking, the

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garret slides in. Where was shiny.

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Speaker 17: Adilition to her body?

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Speaker 18: Neck?

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Speaker 17: Got it at her neck? What was she doing?

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Speaker 3: Did she say no?

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Speaker 17: She was dead silent. She was staring at me like scared.

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Speaker 14: Did he say anything?

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Speaker 17: No, He's just there, not moving.

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Speaker 13: She has her hands up like chest maybe like even

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in her throat by kind of doing this and like

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thumbes her against her throat, and the knife was either

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all the thumb or right above it.

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Speaker 14: It was right there. And Will starts giving him commands.

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Speaker 17: You don't want to do this, you don't have to

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do this. You know, there's a better way.

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Speaker 18: He's talking, dropped night, dropped night.

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Speaker 14: Than he starts speaking me, Hey, my mom. Man just

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talked to me. Just talked to me, just talked to me.

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Speaker 13: And and literally as I'm behind him, see the knight

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to meet And I'm thinking this myself.

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Speaker 19: I shouldn't know.

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Speaker 14: I'm thinking this myself. I'm like, yeah, and shocked. Okay,

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shot the guy in the head. He dropped he go in.

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Speaker 1: It all happened in the flash. The shot rang out

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one hundred times as loud in that tiny closet. It

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hit z and he dropped to the ground. Kate was free.

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Speaker 17: She was grabbed taken out of the room. A couple

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of deputies took her out of the out of the house.

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People moved in.

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Speaker 20: I can't cuff the subject. At that time, he starts speaking.

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I can't tell you what he was saying. It's not

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because I don't know. I just don't remember. And it

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wasn't like it was gurgling ezactly, communicating words. Who're saying something?

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Then he starts hitting the ground.

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Speaker 1: An officer grabbed a towel and pressed it on Zi's

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gunshot wound as they handcuffed him to the gurney and

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wheeled him out of his parents one point five million

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dollar bungalow outside. Kate's friends rejoiced, but now it was

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time to take her to the hospital and find out

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exactly what happened. On Larkspur Trail, Palm Beach County sheriffs

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had spent the early morning hours in a swat style

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takedown at a home in a Jewish Orthodox neighborhood in

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Boca Raton. A missing twenty six year old social worker

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had been trapped inside with her twenty two year old client,

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z all Swang, for the last fifteen hours or so.

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The social worker's girlfriend, Annie, had reported her missing the

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evening before, but it took until the next morning to

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find Kate and get into the all Swang's house. When

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they did, the police found Kate trapped in a closet

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being held at knife point by z When he refused

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to comply, an officer shot him and saved Kate's life.

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It was an incredible and terrifying scene. Now, Kate was

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in the hospital recovering from the kidnapping and was ready

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to tell police what happened to her inside that house.

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Kate's identity had been protected, and since we want to

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honor that, the details of her exact employment status will

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remain confidential. Despite what you might have heard on certain

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form where people who spend all of their time online

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hang out, we do not doc's victims, and if we

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do make a mistake, we typically correct it within twenty

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four hours. Anyway, back to the story, you just need

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to know that she was finishing up per degree to

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become a counselor, and she worked for a mental health practice.

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Of all things that had z Allswang as a client.

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She was tasked to help him find employment and to

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help him figure out how to exist in the adult world,

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because obviously he was having trouble doing it. Z wasn't

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a normal twenty two year old. Despite his privileged upbringing

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in resources, he was floundering. Kate had a big morning

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at work and the last client of the day was Z.

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Speaker 7: Everything was kind of smooth sailing, went through and saw

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the rest of the clients for the day, and then I.

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Speaker 3: Had c scheduled for originally four or five point thirty,

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so he pushed it back to six pm. He didn't

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have a particular reason, but I was willing to be

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flexible because it's been a challenging start for him.

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Speaker 7: To accept Therapy NEX services. And this is something that's

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not uncommon, especially in case management, to have to be

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clients that might be really stuck in life but really

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struggling to need the additional support in order to get

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them on track and everything.

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Speaker 1: Kate drove up to Z's parents' house, like she had

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done for the last month she'd been working with them.

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She met with Z there and they would have their

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session in the den while his parents stayed in the

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living room. Kate only had about four or five sessions

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with him, so she didn't know them all that well

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just yet. But what she did know was that he

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was socially off.

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Speaker 7: I guess what I would say that would be unusual

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with Sphe was that he was a little off at times,

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meaning that Speed was not fully able to be presenting

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conversation and engage. And this was something that Dad was

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particularly concerned about in terms of there being any.

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Speaker 3: Cognitive deficits that might be present along with the clinical team.

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In addition to that, Dad would always make remarks to Courtney.

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Speaker 7: Who was his primary who is his primary therapist, and

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I was the case manager on the case, would mention

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to Courtney that Stee's dad was very scared of Speed

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and wouldn't necessarily give any context to it. Then I

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started speaking with Dad a little bit more often because

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he's a very you know, overprotective and involved parent in

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SPI's life. And he had disclosed that Speed had a

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history of sexual assault as in mine where he was

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convicted and the case was ultimately sealed and he resolved

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in the.

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Speaker 3: Sense that he did his service.

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Speaker 7: He is community service that he did is you know,

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time he went to court mandated counseling, and the therapist

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at that time had given him a clear bill of health. Spee, however,

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had never opened up about that side of his history,

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even when directly asked.

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Speaker 8: So.

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Speaker 1: Z had a history of assault on his record, but

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it was sealed, and obviously no one thought it was

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too big of a deal to deny him home visits.

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Kate waited at the front door for someone to answer.

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Z swung it open and let her inside the cool,

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air conditioned Florida home.

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Speaker 7: So you know, I go in with him, and right

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off the bat, he's a little bit more talkative than

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he normally is.

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Speaker 3: He's a little bit more engaged. He's asking a lot more.

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Speaker 7: SPE's asking a lot more questions about me to get

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to know me. And I had looked at it from

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a perspective of okay, you can focus on report building.

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Speaker 1: Kate was a little surprised by Z's new attitude, but

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saw it as positive. Then they sat down for their

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usual meeting.

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Speaker 3: While we were.

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Speaker 7: Meeting for a regular case management discussion, which was record building,

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job discussion.

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Speaker 3: And a little bit more about and getting to know

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each other.

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Speaker 7: Speed had gotten up at times, either citing that that

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spe needed to go to the bathroom that Spain needed

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to go get some water, and I didn't think anything

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of it at the time. So then when I got

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up to leave when our time was over, he kept

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trying to persuade me to stay and saying that he

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wanted me to help him with more things.

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Speaker 1: Kate kept it profect and told him that she had

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to go. They could schedule another time to meet next week.

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As she walked towards the door, she noticed that all

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the blinds in the house had been shut. In that moment,

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her stomach flipped. She picked up her pace towards the

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front door and realized that it had now been covered

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with black plastic and duct tape.

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Speaker 3: And as I was about to get to the door,

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watching Ever made it too He p It's arms around me,

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put his body weight on me. He was squeezingly really tight,

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and IT kept saying what are you doing? And he

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was trying to kiss my neck. He's trying to overpower me,

479
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,519
and he started dragging me back into the living room

480
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:56,759
and was at that point I was resisting and he

481
00:26:56,839 --> 00:27:03,400
didn't like that, so he he started grabbing my hands.

482
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,720
I think this was his really tightly and I have

483
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:12,920
you know his handworks, and I tried to struggle and

484
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:17,799
break free multiple times, to which was met with his

485
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:24,440
first round of beating me, which included punches in the face,

486
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,039
being made in the gut, just to get me to

487
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,720
calm down and be compliant.

488
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:36,279
Speaker 1: Kate fought as hard as she could, but Z was strong, tall,

489
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,200
and overpowered her.

490
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,799
Speaker 3: I bit his hand at one point, you know, I

491
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:48,119
tried to kick him up and scrolled him. I tried

492
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,960
everything I could and let me know that there wasn't

493
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:56,119
anything I can do, and that he was he was

494
00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:00,519
much stronger than me. Well, there was this struggle going on,

495
00:28:00,599 --> 00:28:04,599
and he was trying putting his bodyweed on me and

496
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,920
trying to subdue me and trying to and hurting me.

497
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,359
He kept wanting me to sit on his lap, and

498
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:19,880
at this point he had obviously we had a hard penis,

499
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,799
and he kept wanting me to sit on his lap,

500
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:24,799
pulling me on his lap.

501
00:28:26,759 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: It was so quiet in the house, just the sound

502
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,759
of the air conditioner humming and Z's grunts and struggles

503
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,200
as he yanked Kate back. Every time she tried to

504
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,400
get away, he would squeeze her towards his body and

505
00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:43,519
smack her anytime she fought. So Kate dug into her

506
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:46,920
social worker toolkit and tried another approach.

507
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,599
Speaker 3: So that's when I switched to the record building. You know,

508
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,200
he just to try to talk to him, get to

509
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,359
know more, figure out what you know es. Game plan

510
00:28:55,519 --> 00:28:58,519
is here, And then I moved next to him. Would

511
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:02,519
he let me do while he was many rose, he

512
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:06,480
was really really angry at me, and he seemed really

513
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:11,200
odd at this point to a place where spe was sounding,

514
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:14,559
you know, collusional. He was unable to listen to any lodge,

515
00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:18,279
He was unable to listen to any reason. He couldn't

516
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:23,000
comprehend or try to see my perspective or engage in

517
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:27,359
a rational discussion. And he said that the reason he

518
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,400
was so angry at me and was doing all of

519
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:35,640
this was because at our previous meeting he had told

520
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,720
me by accident that he had applied to a job

521
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:43,440
in Pennsylvania. So I reported to Dad that he had

522
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:49,480
applied to a job in Pennsylvania, and Ben Spee had

523
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,240
corrected himself and said, oh, never mind, it wasn't a

524
00:29:52,359 --> 00:29:55,920
job in Pennsylvania. And I had not followed up with

525
00:29:56,319 --> 00:30:02,400
Spear's dad about that, but Spear's dad confronted feet about businesscommunication,

526
00:30:02,599 --> 00:30:06,440
about the location of jobs he was applying to, and

527
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,559
he thought that I was doing that to make him

528
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:14,079
look bad, to steal his family's money, and to ultimately

529
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:17,640
try to make speed need to spend more time with me.

530
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 1: He held Kate's wrists tightly like a human handcuff, and

531
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,720
he explained all this to her. She was terrified, and

532
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:27,160
she started pleading.

533
00:30:27,599 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: You know, if you need to, you can, you know,

534
00:30:29,759 --> 00:30:32,400
look at the text messages if that's what you want,

535
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,480
you know, but that would require you to give me

536
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:40,599
my phone. Oh, at this it's okay.

537
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 19: You are doing good.

538
00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 3: At this point had taken my phone, and that was

539
00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:52,839
what much of the struggle ensued on was when he

540
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,720
originally was first dragging me into the room, he was

541
00:30:56,839 --> 00:31:00,359
very methodical in wanting to take my bag and got

542
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,240
away from me. And that's where and he started calling

543
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:08,160
me a dumb bitch and telling me that I'm, like,

544
00:31:08,279 --> 00:31:11,599
you know, just a hole that wants money, and asking

545
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,400
me how much I make and asking me, you know

546
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,799
what I'd like to do with that money. You know,

547
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,000
at that point, I just I really focused on a

548
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:25,640
very calm and collective tone, saying Steet like what you're looking.

549
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:25,839
Speaker 19: Out that.

550
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: Is, and he like couldn't hear any of that, so

551
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:37,200
that was his reasoning. He was mad that Kate had

552
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:42,200
reported something he felt was incorrect to his father. That's

553
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,519
how sick and delusional this kid was. Kate kept trying

554
00:31:45,599 --> 00:31:47,960
to talk to him, but it wasn't working.

555
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 21: He went to go grab ductee and bonded me with

556
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,559
my hands like this behind my back, and he put

557
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,680
a lot on you, you know, telling me that he

558
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,480
didn't want me to be able to get loose, and

559
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:06,720
that he knows all the tricks I could pull, and

560
00:32:06,839 --> 00:32:08,000
that he thought this through.

561
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,119
Speaker 3: And at that point I was like, I'm gonna be

562
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,920
in this for a while. And then after that, while

563
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,799
I was bound, he got my phone and I was

564
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,440
trying to convince me to give him give him my

565
00:32:23,559 --> 00:32:27,240
phone password, and I didn't want to give him my

566
00:32:27,319 --> 00:32:31,200
phone password, so you know, I lied or tried to

567
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,079
give him the wrong ones and try to have him,

568
00:32:34,319 --> 00:32:36,279
you know, type in the wrong ones enough time so

569
00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:40,799
that it would disable my phone. And and he told me,

570
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,160
you knew my tricks, you knew what I was doing,

571
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:47,160
and that's when he started.

572
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:47,759
Speaker 7: To beat me again.

573
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,279
Speaker 1: Z beat Kate again until she was face down on

574
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:55,160
the floor. Still want to be a social worker? Yeah,

575
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:55,680
I'm talking to you.

576
00:32:56,319 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 22: And when he had me overpowered on the floor, he's

577
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,720
were on the floor and he put my head into

578
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:06,480
the couch. He put his hand on the back of

579
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:09,720
my head and he said, you know.

580
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:11,839
Speaker 3: What would happen if I smashed this redear?

581
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 22: You know, you would be dead.

582
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: Throughout this process, throughout the struggle, he is trying to

583
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:23,319
grope me. He is rubbing me over my pants, on

584
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:27,680
my vagina, he's grabbing my ass. All of this is

585
00:33:27,759 --> 00:33:32,160
mixed into the struggle, so I knew at some point.

586
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,319
Speaker 14: That that was most likely coming.

587
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: He was really well planned at times, and other times

588
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:41,359
it just seems like he didn't know what was going on,

589
00:33:41,559 --> 00:33:44,279
or he wasn't totally there, or things just weren't connecting

590
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,799
or adding up. It was really strange and scary because

591
00:33:48,839 --> 00:33:51,119
it was so volatile and unpredictable.

592
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: Part of his plan was to make sure that no

593
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:54,920
one could reach Kate.

594
00:33:55,559 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 7: He wanted to wrap our phones in tinfoil and put

595
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,240
them on airplane mode. I noticed on his phone he

596
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,880
was using this VPN. He was saying, you know, strange

597
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,639
things about how his location could be tracked or pained.

598
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 3: He was talking about, you know, odd things related to people.

599
00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,079
Speaker 7: Watching him and being able to see him and hear him, like,

600
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,840
for example, like he did let me go to the

601
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,480
bathroom if he took me in there.

602
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 14: And watched me, but he wouldn't let me flush.

603
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,559
Speaker 3: The toilet because that would make too much noise, and

604
00:34:29,679 --> 00:34:31,920
he would cover my mouth if I started to speak

605
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,239
any louder than a whisper.

606
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,159
Speaker 1: Back at Kate and Nanny's house, And he was beginning

607
00:34:37,199 --> 00:34:40,599
to become worried when Kate never came home supposed to be.

608
00:34:40,599 --> 00:34:43,119
Speaker 2: Home by like six thirty, when he was seven thirty.

609
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,159
That's when I texted her where are you? And the

610
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,280
message didn't go through. It went straight to like the

611
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,519
green text bubble, so that I was sending up just

612
00:34:52,559 --> 00:34:53,400
like question marks.

613
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 18: And then I was like are you good? Hello, I'm concerned.

614
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:58,960
And then I'm like what the fuck? Hello? Are you okay?

615
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,639
Where are you? Are you okay?

616
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: And then I was like, I'm going to have to

617
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,519
call her boss. And then I was like hello, please,

618
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:10,360
are you okay? And then then randomly it turned back

619
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,480
to blue, like her phone went back on, And then

620
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:16,559
I got the text message quote, oh my god, I

621
00:35:16,639 --> 00:35:18,239
got pulled over on my way.

622
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 18: Cop thought I was drunk, taking me to station. I'm

623
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,119
going to take blood tests there because the cop is

624
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:26,000
a dick. Love you see you later.

625
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,119
Speaker 2: And what time was that at?

626
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,519
Speaker 18: That was at nine thirteen.

627
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 3: At that point he took me over into the drink

628
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,599
closest to the front door. And that was the first

629
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,440
time you forced me to have sex with him. I

630
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:46,400
convinced him, convinced him to wear condom, thank god, tried

631
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,719
to tell me his pull out kay was strong. And

632
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,559
then he put me on the bed and he put

633
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:58,280
the condom on, and like I was dry, like it hurt,

634
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,599
and I told him that I was like this is uncomfortable,

635
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:04,039
Like I don't like this, this doesn't feel right, you know,

636
00:36:04,159 --> 00:36:07,119
like I'm not into it right now. And he like

637
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,559
was fixated on me, calling him daddy and putting it

638
00:36:11,679 --> 00:36:15,639
in him anyway and putting it in me anyway, which

639
00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:20,159
he did. As I was lying down, he was barely

640
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:22,599
over me with his full body weight on top of me,

641
00:36:23,559 --> 00:36:26,000
and I remember just thinking what his sisters gonna be over?

642
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:29,400
When is he gonna finish? Because this isn't gonna stump

643
00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:30,519
until he's done.

644
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,119
Speaker 14: But so it did.

645
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,119
Speaker 3: At this point, he was tired and he wanted me

646
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,519
to go to sleep, and I told him I was

647
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,800
not gonna go to sleep, that I was too scared,

648
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,320
that was too anxious, that you know, I'm not hungry.

649
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:44,639
Speaker 14: I don't.

650
00:36:44,679 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: He offered to give me like melotonin and like sleeping mets,

651
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,360
and I told him I don't want any of that.

652
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,599
I said, like, I can't sleep, Like.

653
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 14: What are you gonna let me go?

654
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 3: And this was something that I get reitering the whole time.

655
00:36:59,559 --> 00:37:00,679
Speaker 14: When is he gonna let me go?

656
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 1: After he raped her, Zee decided to follow up with

657
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:06,920
Annie on Kate's phone, So.

658
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 18: Then I'm saying, what the hell is happening?

659
00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: Only three messages got delivered, and then the phone was

660
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:12,800
turned back off.

661
00:37:14,599 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 18: And then nothing. I just was like blowing up her

662
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,400
phone trying to see if anything got sent.

663
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,639
Speaker 2: Okay, And then I got a text message at twelve

664
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,639
twenty eight am.

665
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,119
Speaker 18: Hey, sorry I never got back to you. I'm fine.

666
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 2: They got me a hotel room for all the shit

667
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,920
they put me through. I'm still kind of shook. I'm

668
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,400
staying here tonight. I'll see you tomorrow. I'm going to

669
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,760
sleep now good night, which just did not sound like her.

670
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 18: That's not how she normally a tached not how she

671
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,679
usually texts. In five and a half years, we've had

672
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,840
three nights apart because we were on vacation. And also

673
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:46,960
a cop.

674
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 2: Like, the whole thing about going up for a blood

675
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,960
tests sounded sketchy to begin with, because she was she

676
00:37:53,079 --> 00:37:54,960
was coming from a client, you know, like and she

677
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,280
she did have one drink with someone and she was

678
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,239
pulled over and she refused a breathalyzer, like it just

679
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,239
didn't make any sense to me. And then when she

680
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,360
said that the cops got her a hotel room for

681
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:05,960
all the trouble she.

682
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 18: Caused, that was a major red flag. And I immediately

683
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:09,960
called the police.

684
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: Bag and then that's night, because before then I was

685
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:14,719
calling just to see if she had been arrested for

686
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,320
drinking and driving or if anyone had got brond in

687
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,480
for like a field sobriety test or something like that.

688
00:38:19,559 --> 00:38:21,199
Speaker 17: If you called nine to one one or what number

689
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,159
did you call her the police?

690
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 2: I was calling the Boyton Police Department. I called the

691
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:30,199
Delay Department. I called the BOCA. I called the county office.

692
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,679
Speaker 18: Okay, and the Sheriff's office, and no one had any

693
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:33,480
records of her.

694
00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:38,039
Speaker 1: Ze thought that his pathetic messages to Annie would keep

695
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:42,320
her at bay, but Kate also did something smart. She

696
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,760
never let Ze know that Annie was her girlfriend. She

697
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,079
told him that Annie was her roommate, which probably helped

698
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:53,559
him underestimate how hard Annie would be looking for her.

699
00:38:54,119 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 3: I told him I wasn't going to go to sleep

700
00:38:56,599 --> 00:39:00,559
when we were back in the living room couch at

701
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,519
this point, and he was ready for a round. Two

702
00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:07,360
was sex, and I told him that I was still

703
00:39:07,519 --> 00:39:10,119
sore and in pain, and that I wasn't in the moon.

704
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,159
And then he said again, if you ever want to

705
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:15,719
get out of here, if you want to be able

706
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,960
to lead, then we're going to need to figure out something.

707
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:20,559
Speaker 5: That works for us.

708
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: This guy is such an unbelievable monster. Listening to this

709
00:39:25,159 --> 00:39:28,880
poor woman recount what undoubtedly is the most terrifying experience

710
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,559
of her life is heart wrenching. This young man deserves

711
00:39:32,639 --> 00:39:35,440
to be locked away for the rest of his life,

712
00:39:36,679 --> 00:39:41,199
regardless of any mental health issues he might have, because

713
00:39:41,679 --> 00:39:45,760
it ain't an excuse. If you act like an animal,

714
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,360
you belong in a cage.

715
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 3: And the same thing happened again, except this time he

716
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,000
couldn't get it inside of me because I was just

717
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:57,440
too dry, and I was just wailing in pain.

718
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:58,840
Speaker 18: It's stild him.

719
00:39:58,880 --> 00:39:59,639
Speaker 22: I didn't want it.

720
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: And then he said I need to suck him off.

721
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,679
So I stepped him off, you know, with his hands there,

722
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:12,920
and and then he came all over me and my

723
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:16,519
hair and my fidies and my hips on my.

724
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:18,480
Speaker 19: Sports.

725
00:40:18,599 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: But I have it on here right now. And at

726
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,719
this point he wanted me to change into his clothes

727
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,079
or shower, and I told him that I was okay,

728
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:34,599
that I wanted to stand these clothes. And then I

729
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,360
really started after that to plead with him more about

730
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,519
when he was gonna let me go.

731
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:41,079
Speaker 20: You know what, it's.

732
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,559
Speaker 3: Hard for me to necessarily sequence because it comes in

733
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:51,719
fun classes. At some point within the beginning part of it, though.

734
00:40:54,679 --> 00:40:59,760
Speaker 5: He had tried to use the heavy duty sex toy

735
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,519
that he had on me to try to.

736
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:08,199
Speaker 3: And I told him, and I told him, you know

737
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,000
that it hurt because.

738
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: He didn't didn't know well, Kate was trapped in hell,

739
00:41:14,639 --> 00:41:17,360
and he had rallied some support and was not giving

740
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,320
up on finding her girlfriend.

741
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:20,679
Speaker 18: Her boss.

742
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 2: He's also like the rest of this community Orthodox Jewish,

743
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,280
so he does not use electronics, so all night I

744
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:28,920
knew that like she was with her clients, so I

745
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:30,760
was trying to get in contact with him to just

746
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,760
find out like if and he heard anything that there

747
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,159
was an issue with boss client the boss okay, but

748
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,079
he was not answering the phone because he doesn't use

749
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:41,639
electronics during trabat.

750
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,039
Speaker 18: So but I didn't really care at that point, so

751
00:41:45,079 --> 00:41:45,320
I was.

752
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,519
Speaker 2: Just continuously flowing up his phone and he finally called

753
00:41:48,559 --> 00:41:52,440
me back at three am, and I explained the situation.

754
00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:55,559
I was like, I need the address of the of

755
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,840
the last client she was going to see, and he

756
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,000
gave it to me, and that's this house. And then

757
00:42:01,039 --> 00:42:04,480
I called back the Lantana Police department because at that

758
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:07,199
point I had already filed a missing person's report, right,

759
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,719
so you did speak to Lantana, okay, Yeah, when her

760
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,519
mom called Plantana, the police then came to my house,

761
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,199
like my apartment, and we discussed everything. They went down

762
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:20,679
and checked all the files to make sure she wasn't

763
00:42:20,679 --> 00:42:23,639
in any systems anywhere, and then came back up and

764
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,039
then gave me the option to make a police a

765
00:42:26,119 --> 00:42:27,159
missing persons report.

766
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,639
Speaker 18: So that's what I did and what time was that

767
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,599
at could they comment, Probably around like one am, one thirty.

768
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: So at that point he started to express how he's

769
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,480
had like a history of suicide. And then he's not

770
00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:44,159
planning on letting me go. And I kept, at this

771
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,920
point trying to get him to turn on his phone

772
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,559
just to maybe like see if you know, if anyone's called,

773
00:42:50,679 --> 00:42:53,119
or there's someone he could talk to, like figure out

774
00:42:53,159 --> 00:42:55,280
another way out of this, like that it doesn't have

775
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,519
to escalate this whole big thing. And then he said

776
00:42:58,559 --> 00:42:59,159
he's fucked.

777
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:00,039
Speaker 6: And then he saw.

778
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,079
Speaker 3: And at that point he didn't have any hope anymore,

779
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:05,159
and he.

780
00:43:05,199 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: Wanted to take us down together, and he was frustrated.

781
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,360
She checked with every police station and filed a missing

782
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,280
person's report. There was nothing left to do except go

783
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,000
to Kate's last known address herself and knock on the door.

784
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,719
So Annie, along with some friends, drove over to Z's

785
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,559
house and Larksburg Trail at four a m. And took

786
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:30,320
matters into her own hands.

787
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:33,039
Speaker 17: And what did you see or hear when you got here?

788
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 18: Nothing?

789
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:38,199
Speaker 2: I saw her car in the driveway, and I was

790
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,519
just being on the door and like walking around the house,

791
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,360
and my friend stopped me from using a rock to

792
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:45,440
try to crack the window.

793
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 18: Even I probably wouldn't have done anything.

794
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: Kate could hear the knocks and doorbell rings from inside

795
00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:54,400
the house, but z had grabbed a large butcher knife

796
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,840
from the kitchen and told her that if she made

797
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:35,039
a sound he'd kill her. Outside Annie was calling Kate's

798
00:44:35,119 --> 00:44:38,800
name and waiting. Of course, they couldn't break in, so

799
00:44:39,679 --> 00:44:41,239
they tried to talk to some neighbors.

800
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 18: Six o'clock. I knocked on the neighbor's door, just because

801
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:44,719
I had noticed that he had a.

802
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 2: Ring camera, so I just wanted to know if, like,

803
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,599
because it's facing the street, so you would have saw

804
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:53,719
her car drive past that house. So it's like, Okay,

805
00:44:54,039 --> 00:44:55,760
we know she came here, but did she ever leave

806
00:44:56,119 --> 00:44:57,880
so with the client like how they were supposed to

807
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,280
or did she only ever like here?

808
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,159
Speaker 18: And he told me it was Shabbat and he cannot

809
00:45:03,199 --> 00:45:03,480
help me.

810
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:07,039
Speaker 1: I know religion is important to some people, but can

811
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:11,159
you imagine if that was your loved one inside. As

812
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:14,719
the knocks grew more frequent and police arrived on scene,

813
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:18,800
Zebe began to freak out and dragged Kate into his

814
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,480
parents closet, and that's when she let out that fateful scream.

815
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:26,079
Speaker 3: But that was the one time and they kind of

816
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:30,199
gave confirmation that it's like high up here because I

817
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:35,000
screamed when he was taking me from the main part

818
00:45:35,039 --> 00:45:36,760
of the house with like the living room, Mary in

819
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,559
the bedrooms we had been in over to his parents'

820
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:40,599
bedroom and closet.

821
00:45:41,559 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 9: You know.

822
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 3: At that point, the cups were around, and he was

823
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,960
starting to get rid of he himself was getting really scared.

824
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:49,880
At one point he asked me to feel his heartbeat,

825
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,559
but he was also getting weirdly turned on, and he

826
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,400
kept asking, even fucking the closet, and I kept telling him, no, no, no,

827
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:02,280
I gonna loved this anymore. And I still had to

828
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,960
cuddle him, you know, with his heart beats up against me,

829
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,280
and every time I tried to move away while we

830
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,960
were laying on the floor in the closet, he would

831
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:14,559
pull me back.

832
00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: Man, this Kate was being held in the closet with

833
00:46:17,639 --> 00:46:21,199
z trying to rape her again while the cops surveyed

834
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,239
the perimeter of the house and he waited with her

835
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,719
friends outside and talked with the officers. She was getting

836
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:28,159
fed up.

837
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 2: I waited here and then they got when they got

838
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:33,159
back here. Two of them showed up and I explained

839
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:37,320
the situation, and they did their little walk around, and

840
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:40,360
then they were in the back and they came up

841
00:46:40,639 --> 00:46:42,480
and me and all my friends heard it. We all

842
00:46:42,519 --> 00:46:45,000
heard a scream and they came in and he said,

843
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,480
you guys heard that too, and we said yes. And

844
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:50,079
then it still took three hours for them to get

845
00:46:50,119 --> 00:46:51,000
inside that house.

846
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,159
Speaker 1: So many things went wrong during those hours while the

847
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:58,599
police figured out if they could get inside, Like the

848
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,360
sergeant at the top of the episode said, just check

849
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:05,559
in all the fucking boxes. But while they were handling protocol,

850
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,360
Kate was stuck in a closet being held at knife

851
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,559
point by a deranged twenty year old who had repeatedly

852
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:16,119
raped her for the last fifteen hours. I mean, fuck protocol.

853
00:47:16,559 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: They laughed, and they told me my friends to go

854
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,519
get breakfast while we were sitting out here begging them

855
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,119
to go inside. And then when I did get them

856
00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:27,320
briefly for the two seconds, she was telling me that

857
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:28,719
the only thing that kept.

858
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:30,800
Speaker 18: Her going was hearing me yell at the cops outside

859
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,440
to do something.

860
00:47:32,119 --> 00:47:35,199
Speaker 2: So I just don't understand how this can be the

861
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,280
correct way to handle this situation. To have your deputies

862
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:40,360
be telling us that we should be going for breakfast

863
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,519
and brunch when this was happening, and chit chatting with

864
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,320
the neighbors who were outside drinking their coffee, watching us

865
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:49,800
have mental breakdowns on the road because no one's doing anything.

866
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:53,519
Speaker 1: How could anyone have known what was happening inside that house?

867
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,320
The cops had to play it safe to avoid being liable,

868
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,960
and and he was emotional and frantic. Her got firmly

869
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:05,119
telling her that her girlfriend was in trouble and was

870
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:10,639
behind those doors. But finally they got in, and eventually.

871
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,039
Speaker 3: As more and more knocks started to come more frequently,

872
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,360
and he eventually heard the drill of the door or

873
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:18,920
the saw of the door that was going to be

874
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,480
knocked down. He wouldn't give me any answers, but he

875
00:48:22,639 --> 00:48:25,320
just told me. He was like, and you do exactly

876
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,599
what I say, you know, and telling me that I

877
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:29,840
can't say a word, and that I say a word,

878
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,440
that I could have been dead. So he holds me

879
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:36,360
up in the closet behind me, with me in front

880
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,880
of him, and he pulls out the knife and he

881
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,960
has it up to my neck and then he says,

882
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,639
wait a minute, and then he is going through his

883
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:51,280
mom's clothing and he picks out address of hers and

884
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,079
asked me to hold it up and hold it. And

885
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:57,000
I tried to put the hook of it, you know,

886
00:48:57,119 --> 00:48:58,760
over my neck, so that he couldn't.

887
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 5: You couldn't.

888
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 3: We picked up on that knee, lowered my hand and

889
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:08,480
he held with his hand his arm down and put

890
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:11,800
the knife up to my throat and waited for the

891
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:15,639
comps to come. And he had been saying how hold

892
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:19,119
bless he was, And at this point it was shaking

893
00:49:19,199 --> 00:49:22,280
and crying and just saying, please let me go. It

894
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,519
doesn't have to be this way. We could do something else,

895
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:27,239
like please, I'm scaredly, Please don't hold the knife up

896
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:27,920
to my throat.

897
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,199
Speaker 1: That's when the female officer broke in the locked door

898
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,079
and found Kate and z huddled at the back of

899
00:49:34,159 --> 00:49:38,480
the closet, the long silver blade held tightly against her neck.

900
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:41,679
Then all the police swarmed in.

901
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 23: Within a matter of seconds, a gunshot went off, and

902
00:49:47,039 --> 00:49:49,480
I heard it in this ear, and then a ringing

903
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:53,519
came on and I couldn't look back, and I was

904
00:49:53,599 --> 00:49:54,519
shuffled out of there.

905
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 1: Ze Allswang was shot in the front of the head.

906
00:49:59,079 --> 00:50:03,039
The bullet hit him right above his left eyebrow. It's

907
00:50:03,119 --> 00:50:05,320
not like it is in the movies. If you give

908
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,480
them an opportunity, they will shoot you dead if you're

909
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:12,719
threatening someone with a knife. This one was a near bullseye,

910
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:17,039
And the most shocking thing of all was he survived.

911
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:20,639
The twenty year old rapist and kidnapper would have to

912
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:25,800
face what he did. On that horrible Shabbat Saturday, Z

913
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:28,760
showed up in court in a wheelchair with a plastic

914
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,679
beige helmet on his head. He was charged with first

915
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:39,519
degree attempted murder, kidnapping, and several sexual battery charges. No

916
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:42,440
one and his family attended his court appearances or spoke

917
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:46,159
to the media on his behalf. Remember how Kate mentioned

918
00:50:46,199 --> 00:50:48,639
that Z had a previous sexual assault charge that had

919
00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:53,119
been sealed. It was also for rape, and he served

920
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,440
not a minute of jail time because the victim's family

921
00:50:56,599 --> 00:51:01,159
did not press charges. He was let out back into

922
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:04,679
the free world a rapist. Can you believe that?

923
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 19: Now?

924
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:07,280
Speaker 9: These are the court papers right here that detail a

925
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,119
fifteen year old girl's accusation that cev Afswang raped her.

926
00:51:11,519 --> 00:51:13,800
All Swang was sixteen at the time, and the victim's

927
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,719
attorney told me tonight. Because of all Swang's age and

928
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,199
his lack of criminal history, they decided to give him

929
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:23,079
a break. It's a decision they'd all now like to

930
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:23,679
have back.

931
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: Even Z's first victim's lawyer regretted underestimating how dangerous this

932
00:51:30,199 --> 00:51:31,239
man really was.

933
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,920
Speaker 8: So because of his young age and the fact he

934
00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:37,800
had never been arrested before, Roderman and the prosecutor agreed

935
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:41,000
to ask the judge to go easy on all Swang.

936
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 7: That we would agree to probation with the special conditions

937
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,840
that he undergo an evaluation and any kind of follow

938
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:47,480
up treatment.

939
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 8: The judge agreed, and Roderman says even the victim's family

940
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,400
was on board with all Swang only getting probation.

941
00:51:54,199 --> 00:51:58,039
Speaker 1: Z had planned Kate's attack out carefully. The police were

942
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:01,280
able to obtain video footage of him buying plastic bags

943
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,239
and other supplies from Party City, of all places before

944
00:52:05,519 --> 00:52:08,880
the kidnapping. And check this out. This is the part

945
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,880
that should sound some alarm bells and teach you a

946
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,920
little bit of a lesson about how the world works.

947
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:21,519
Z all Swang. This rapist chose Shabbat, a religious holiday,

948
00:52:21,559 --> 00:52:24,480
because he knew that no one in the neighborhood would

949
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:27,559
be using their cell phones, ring cameras, or any other

950
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:32,599
electronic device. Shabbat meant the Jewish world was turned off,

951
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,239
so even Z's parents would be out of communication and

952
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:40,159
out of town. That bought him a lot of time,

953
00:52:41,039 --> 00:52:45,039
a lot of leeway, and he knew it. Even Kate's

954
00:52:45,079 --> 00:52:50,519
boss was an Orthodox Jew. Z knew this too. His

955
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:55,280
sick plan would only work on this quiet Holy day.

956
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:00,280
What a sick fuck. Remember, Z was angry with Kate

957
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for relaying the wrong information to his father about a

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job application. Like that was a justifiable reason for anything.

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In his twisted minds, he thought that this was the

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perfect excuse to kidnap, rape, and torture the woman who

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was assigned to help him. The judge showed Zee no mercy,

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and thank God for that. He handed him down four

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life sentences for his crimes to make sure that he

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would never be able to hurt another woman ever again.

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Kate lived through a woman's worst fear, but she survived.

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I have to think that her education and social work

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helped her survive this situation.

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Speaker 19: It must have.

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Speaker 1: She used her compassion to her advantage and was wise

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enough to trick her kidnapper into thinking that the girl

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he was texting was only a roommate, not her beloved

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girlfriend of five years. So many things went wrong in

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this story, between the cops and Kate's friends and family,

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but the most important thing is that Kate should have

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never been allowed to be alone with Ze. He had

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a history of sexual violence and rape. Men who do

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this are going to do it again. Letting Zee off

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so easily the first time only told his underdeveloped brain

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that he could possibly get away with this kind of

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behavior again. But this time he took it too far

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and he underestimated Kate's prowess and Annie's devotion. Despite the

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CoP's missteps, this truly is a story of love. Annie

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saved Kate. She never gave up, and she trusted her gut,

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even when the cops were moving too slow or telling

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her that they just had to follow protocol. This was

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simply not acceptable. Annie's love for Kate is what saved her,

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and that, in its own way, is what makes this

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tragic story kind of beautiful. Well, I hope that by

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the time you hear this story, we're are done with

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all that replacing cops with social workers bullshit. Perhaps we

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should stop listening to people that come up with really

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retarded ideas like that. But I'm sure those of you

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that believe that sort of nonsense will just complain and

994
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whine instead like you always do. Maybe just leave the

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adulting to adults. Adults have a way of being able

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to keep you safe. Then again, the cops weren't really adulting,

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were they.

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Speaker 18: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about, but

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I do think we need to stop making excuses for

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those with mental illness. Just because you have an illness

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doesn't mean you're not responsible for your actions. I think

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we need to stop selling that lie, because even at

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the height of madness, you still have choices to make,

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and those choices say who and what You are fundamentally

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sorry if you don't like that and your kid's mentally ill,

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It's just the cost of living in a society. The

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good of all outweighs.

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Speaker 19: Ship Snake, she sup skip ship ship so sh