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Speaker 4: Panel, man man Man, All right, Mark, welcome to the
Speaker 4: jay Bird and show. Hey doing that good?
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I'm obviously happy to have you back on
Speaker 4: as far as the conversation goes. But uh, you and
Speaker 4: I on our last conversation talked about how uh Abigail
Speaker 4: Spanberger was going to win the Virginia gubernatorial race, and
Speaker 4: much to my chagrin, we were completely and totally right
Speaker 4: on that front.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were. We were more right than we thought
Speaker 3: because not of this you win.
Speaker 2: Not only was it not close, but it was an
Speaker 2: incredible blowout. And the other races weren't even close either.
Speaker 4: Right, even the the ag race, which is the one
Speaker 4: where you'd think, you know, there would be ah, there'd
Speaker 4: be a chance because you know what he was saying
Speaker 4: about just fantasizing about killing the children of his political opponents,
Speaker 4: which you know, you'd think would be a disqualifying gaff,
Speaker 4: as they say, But dude, to go down the damage here. Uh,
Speaker 4: I think the real story is the death of Republican
Speaker 4: identity politics, right, the idea that, well, if we just
Speaker 4: run our own then they'll all vote for her. Let
Speaker 4: me let me pull this up. Uh So for context,
Speaker 4: Spanberger won Black voters plus eighty six, Asian plus sixty,
Speaker 4: Hispanic plus thirty four, and white people by I believe
Speaker 4: plus six or plus eleven regardless across the board. Just
Speaker 4: a astonishingly poor showing by the church lady. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Who who could have thought it might be a bad
Speaker 2: idea to run a Jamaican lady to be the governor
Speaker 2: of Virginia during a time when the Republican Party is
Speaker 2: all in on anti immigration politics.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean when you say it like that, it
Speaker 4: almost sounds like it was a bad idea, you know,
Speaker 4: almost not sure maybe the next time we try it
Speaker 4: at all work.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, Yeah, that she, I mean, she got her
Speaker 2: doors blown off everywhere. But I mean that's not surprising
Speaker 2: because she was a terrible candidate.
Speaker 3: But if you look at the lieutenant governor race.
Speaker 2: Also, she won every ethnicity except for white, which went
Speaker 2: forty five fifty five.
Speaker 3: Uh to mister Reid. That's even in Virginia.
Speaker 2: That's that's a pretty uh, a pretty nasty number like
Speaker 2: it in a year where you had, you know, I blow,
Speaker 2: the first black woman to ever run for governor of Virginia.
Speaker 3: At the top of the ticket, you had a Hispanic.
Speaker 2: Age who, in fairness he did win Latino men, I suppose,
Speaker 2: which I guess that's your your consolation prize.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't learn anything. We already knew.
Speaker 2: You win elections in the twenty first century by getting
Speaker 2: your base excited and getting them to come out to vote.
Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened in twenty twenty one with Youngkin.
Speaker 2: And if you don't do that, you get humiliated in
Speaker 2: front of the entire country.
Speaker 4: Well, and I think that's sort of an interesting thing. Uh,
Speaker 4: I've been talking a lot about I'm no doubt you're
Speaker 4: aware of Mark because this whole woke right debacle, I assume.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, she was the James Lindsay right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I think I've been I think I've been
Speaker 4: banned of a restraining order from talking about them because
Speaker 4: I mentioned too much. But in all seriousness, right that
Speaker 4: that sort of canard came up about a year and
Speaker 4: a half ago, right, just as kind of a way
Speaker 4: to smear people that liberals don't like. But what's been
Speaker 4: interesting has been the conclusion of the losses in both
Speaker 4: Virginia and New Jersey, which, look, man, there's a very boring,
Speaker 4: normal nuts and boat bolts of politics explanation for these
Speaker 4: two races, which is bad candidates astonishingly that in the
Speaker 4: case of Virginia, the fact that Donald Trump rightly wrongly
Speaker 4: was seen as threatening the jobs of roughly eight percent
Speaker 4: the working people at our state. And also, aunt, let's
Speaker 4: not you know, very lead here, the fact that generally
Speaker 4: whichever party is in power does poorly in off year
Speaker 4: elections and midterms. Right, Like, this isn't some sort of
Speaker 4: like secret science here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'd throw in a fourth one, which is that since
Speaker 2: the rise of Trump, there's been a slow shift towards
Speaker 2: Democrats killing it in off year elections. That used to
Speaker 2: be something that Republicans performed well at. Now it's the opposite.
Speaker 2: We're better in presidential year elections, and they're going to
Speaker 2: have the advantage in off year, and that's just purely
Speaker 2: a change of change of voter demographics.
Speaker 3: Like like you said, you could also hang a little
Speaker 3: bit of.
Speaker 2: A blame on the on the big man here because
Speaker 2: you had the shutdown, which does not seem to have
Speaker 2: accomplished anything. I thought at the time maybe the goal was, well,
Speaker 2: let them shut it down and then we'll just we'll
Speaker 2: lay off a boatload of these federal not layoff, We'll
Speaker 2: get rid of a boat load of these federal employees.
Speaker 3: But they didn't do that.
Speaker 2: Right after our election and did the Democrats in Congress
Speaker 2: agreed to reopen the government, and the White House gotten.
Speaker 3: Out there for it.
Speaker 2: They rehired the few thousand people that they had they
Speaker 2: had fired during the shutdown, and it seems to me
Speaker 2: that they got exactly exactly what they want. They got
Speaker 2: a boost in the election, and they successfully blamed the
Speaker 2: Republicans in Congress for Obamacare, which is actually pretty impressive
Speaker 2: politically if you think about it.
Speaker 4: Well, Mark, I've been reliably informed that the real people
Speaker 4: we need to blame for this are the so called
Speaker 4: woke right, which includes Tucker Carlson, really, anyone who wasn't
Speaker 4: a liberal up until twenty sixteen, and most importantly, anyone
Speaker 4: within two degrees of separation from one Nicholas JF. Windes
Speaker 4: clearly right, that's a cynical ploy, Right, that's a cynical
Speaker 4: take to say everyone I don't like is the reason
Speaker 4: that we lost this election. That, let's be honest, we
Speaker 4: were going to lose anyway. But it's been interesting. I
Speaker 4: don't know if you picked up on this. There's been
Speaker 4: a there's been a deliberate attempt to saddle JD. Vans
Speaker 4: right the VP with the woke right and by extension
Speaker 4: losses in twenty twenty five and then assumed losses in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's very Obviously they're trying to do politicking
Speaker 2: in advance of twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Because he is right.
Speaker 2: I mean, it means very little twenty so far away
Speaker 2: from the election, but he is the front runner right now.
Speaker 2: He's got the name recognition, he is vice president, he
Speaker 2: has a lot of support. He gets a lot of
Speaker 2: people younger people, which is faint praise when you're talking
Speaker 2: about the Republican Republican Party. That just means it's some
Speaker 2: people under fifty. Because he's you know, he's a millennial.
Speaker 2: They're just trying to decap him in advance so they
Speaker 2: can shove like tag crews down our throat or something
Speaker 2: like that. That was that's just my assumption.
Speaker 3: I don't have any insider information or anything like that.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, I mean, look, uh, that's what I
Speaker 4: think is gonna happen, So I think we can just
Speaker 4: confirm it, right, based off of my hunch. That's how
Speaker 4: podcast works, I guess. But it is one of those
Speaker 4: things where it's is sort of disappointing to see the
Speaker 4: GOP learn absolutely nothing because you know, we mentioned this
Speaker 4: last time, right, the consequences of failure have never been higher. Right,
Speaker 4: you have the so called Seditious six literally saying we
Speaker 4: will send Pete Hegseth to jail, we will ship him
Speaker 4: off to the Hague, right for war crimes. And it's like, okay, well, remember,
Speaker 4: like I don't know, not that long ago, when they
Speaker 4: ship Donald Trump off to jail and got a mug shot,
Speaker 4: like you think they aren't gonna give it a shot.
Speaker 2: People did take the you know, to all to talk
Speaker 2: about the war crimes in the Hague. And it's like
Speaker 2: this is violating international law because oh will the United
Speaker 2: States isn't subject to international law that which is.
Speaker 3: That's true, our service members are not.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you're not going to be forcibly extradited to
Speaker 2: the Hague while Donald Trump is president. But what can
Speaker 2: happen is if I don't even know who's going to
Speaker 2: be at this point, Gavin Newsom is president in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty nine, that absolutely can happen. In fact, it happens
Speaker 2: successfully to the former president of the Philippines who was
Speaker 2: arrested in the Philippines and shipped off to the Hague
Speaker 2: and is currently on trial there for essentially for killing
Speaker 2: drug dealers. So you know, the president is already there.
Speaker 2: It's a very easy way for the Democrats to do
Speaker 2: something to punish somebody without having the blood on their hands,
Speaker 2: like they say, Okay, hey, he's over, he's he's in
Speaker 2: Europe and he's been tried by a council of all
Speaker 2: the nations of the world. I have no control over it.
Speaker 2: I'm just the poor little, you know, lib president of
Speaker 2: the United States. I think people aren't taking that threat
Speaker 2: as seriously as they should.
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Speaker 4: Well, it sucks too because it's like having Charles Bronson
Speaker 4: be the president of your country. It's kind of a
Speaker 4: cool idea, right, just having a president who's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: drug dealers, I personally as he is alleged to have done,
Speaker 4: am going to shoot them. You can too if you want.
Speaker 4: It's very least. It's a novel idea. And you know,
Speaker 4: in this kind of like got awful Francis Fukuyama future
Speaker 4: right where every government is basically exactly the same, you
Speaker 4: just want some novelty, right, like we should have more.
Speaker 4: I guess you could say like eighties action movie themed governments,
Speaker 4: you know, like we've we've tried the whole you know,
Speaker 4: death wish thing. I guess we could probably substitute some
Speaker 4: others in there. I think we've not given this idea
Speaker 4: enough sideration.
Speaker 3: You know, this is I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Agree, I agree with all that. I would like to
Speaker 2: subscribe to your newsletter. But also yeah, I mean they
Speaker 2: have to. They have to punish this behavior because the
Speaker 2: mean that going around now is to fix everything easily
Speaker 2: switch like when it comes to like these drug traffickers
Speaker 2: and pretty much criminals in general. Yeah, there is an
Speaker 2: easy button, just like to be nice thum in jail
Speaker 2: and throw away the key or you know, more kinetic options.
Speaker 2: They have to make it impossible for you to do
Speaker 2: that because anybody who does it immediately becomes incredibly popular,
Speaker 2: like like Deutte was initially. I'm I'm not super familiar
Speaker 2: with Filipino politics, but I imagine like he he became less popular,
Speaker 2: you know, because of economic problems or whatever, but people
Speaker 2: were very happy to watch him go judge dread on
Speaker 2: drug traffickers in this country.
Speaker 3: They loved it.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's the success story of bucele right,
Speaker 4: the fix Everything switch. And it's been interesting to see
Speaker 4: the sort of hysterical reaction to Trump's comments. Admittedly, these
Speaker 4: are comments where he seems to be getting increasingly fed
Speaker 4: up with violent crime in the judiciary. And I think
Speaker 4: that's sort of an interesting question of the Trump presidency, right,
Speaker 4: which is who is in charge? Is it the executive
Speaker 4: or some judge somewhere? And I think that there's a
Speaker 4: lot of political hay to be made there because people,
Speaker 4: myself included and just other normal people are incredibly fed
Speaker 4: up with this routine story of XYZ, thirty five time
Speaker 4: offender out on bail for setting someone on fire, decides
Speaker 4: to kill someone else, you know what I mean. You
Speaker 4: can even look back at you know, country music from
Speaker 4: the seventies right to see the same thing. Right, you
Speaker 4: see this mentioned in like if the South Wold have won,
Speaker 4: as well as other kind of like you know anthems
Speaker 4: right that this is this is a way to motivate
Speaker 4: people now. Obviously look like when criminals are a client
Speaker 4: group of your party, that sort of changes things. But
Speaker 4: it seems to me that that's a that's winning, winning
Speaker 4: messaging there.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's kind of an intractable problem because as
Speaker 2: we've we've discovered the other I guess it.
Speaker 3: Was a day or two ago at this point.
Speaker 2: Justice Jackson in arguments about what's what the what the
Speaker 2: Solicitor General about long story short, technocracy in the administrative state.
Speaker 2: She just came out and said, Hey, I think that
Speaker 2: actually the control of the government should be in the
Speaker 2: hands of experts, not in in the presidency or elected official.
Speaker 3: That we have to have these.
Speaker 2: This learned tribe of scholars to make all their decisions,
Speaker 2: and like that is what judges effectively are today in
Speaker 2: the United States. And the constitutional remedies for this would
Speaker 2: be impeach the individual judges, which is impossible because you
Speaker 2: need this you need a super majority in the set
Speaker 2: and the Congress to do that. Or you could have
Speaker 2: Congress completely eliminate the circuit of the Circuit Court, which
Speaker 2: I which ironically would probably be easier than impeachment, but
Speaker 2: it's also not gonna happen. So at that point there
Speaker 2: is no legal recourse for the executive, legislative for the
Speaker 2: people at all. I I really, without.
Speaker 3: Saying fed post these things.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you how you deal with these problems. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the judges do not They do not care. They release
Speaker 2: these people out to rape and murder their fellow citizens,
Speaker 2: and they don't feel a bit sorry about it. What
Speaker 2: can you really do to stop that?
Speaker 3: You can't. You can't really.
Speaker 2: Change the laws because it doesn't really matter what someone's
Speaker 2: charged with if the judge bangs the gavel and releases
Speaker 2: them without bail or they get suspend a sentence. If
Speaker 2: you're in a blue state, which by the way, we're
Speaker 2: about to be, we're about to become an even blue,
Speaker 2: restate them and were before. You have absolutely no protection
Speaker 2: from these repeat offenders. And I'm not sure what the well,
Speaker 2: I'm sure what the solution is, but I'm not sure
Speaker 2: realistically what's going to happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and to that point, I think one
Speaker 4: of the other major institutions that has been been crumbling
Speaker 4: is is trial by Jerry. You're probably telling the swapping screens.
Speaker 4: I have a piece coming out soon, right. I mentioned
Speaker 4: this example. That's why I'm pulling it up. Are you
Speaker 4: familiar with the case of of one Gary O. Edwards
Speaker 4: from Portland?
Speaker 3: Oh, I've heard the name? Which which which one was?
Speaker 4: He?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: So? So Gary is a homeless schizophrenic and uh he
Speaker 4: stabbed another man incidentally, who also seems to be an
Speaker 4: unhoused person. Uh. And unfortunately the man that he stabbed, uh,
Speaker 4: Gregory A. Howard Junior, Uh set a gamer word while
Speaker 4: being stabbed. You know, Okay, Uh, maybe a poor choice
Speaker 4: of words, but you know, understandable perfs given the circumstances
Speaker 4: of being stabbed by a schizophrenic. And uh So this
Speaker 4: goes to trial and the jury equits the guy who
Speaker 4: stabbed him because of the word he used, which like, look, man,
Speaker 4: you know, I believe you should generally attempt to be polite,
Speaker 4: but I feel like getting stabbed, you might there might
Speaker 4: be some mitigating circumstances there, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can.
Speaker 2: You can either stab someone or you can request an
Speaker 2: apology for them.
Speaker 3: Saying a slur. You don't get to do both. You
Speaker 3: got to pick one or the other.
Speaker 4: Flur was after the fact, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously the temporal distortion of racism that he
Speaker 2: detected it in the air, the racist miasma, and.
Speaker 3: That's how I knew that he needed to need a.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, the thing is, it's this in Portland. The
Speaker 2: trial happened in Portland. I assume right it did. Yes,
Speaker 2: It's not like the trial happened in Detroit, where you
Speaker 2: can say, well, they got a jury of people who
Speaker 2: like they are all in the same ethnic group. I
Speaker 2: mean probably not in Portland. That jury was probably extremely Caucasian.
Speaker 3: So these are people who just are doing it for
Speaker 3: love of the game. Yeah.
Speaker 4: As someone who's recently been to Portland, I can confirm
Speaker 4: several things. One, the story does not surprise me in
Speaker 4: the least any part of it, you know, the stabbing,
Speaker 4: the result in court. But to your point, it is
Speaker 4: like you were stepping back into a weird like mc
Speaker 4: escher version of Newberry, right where it's like it's the
Speaker 4: same demos, albeit expressed slightly differently. I guess we could say.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean that's that's another thing, right, And
Speaker 4: this has been a big, you know, talking point in
Speaker 4: the UK because it's seeming that the government is just
Speaker 4: getting rid of the system of jury trial, right. But
Speaker 4: that was that was a social technology that depended on
Speaker 4: you know, most people being your peers right on the
Speaker 4: same page. And when that collapses, and you know, you
Speaker 4: can look into the data of exactly how that is collapsed,
Speaker 4: and along what lines all of a sudden, you can't
Speaker 4: really count on you know, the Southerners favor jury nullification,
Speaker 4: right to come to your rescue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the you know, the entire legal common law, legal
Speaker 2: principles like the And this goes back to what we
Speaker 2: were talking about with the judges before.
Speaker 3: It's the idea that.
Speaker 2: There the law is neutral. Obviously, it never it never is.
Speaker 3: Human beings are never neutral about anything.
Speaker 2: But if you have a mostly homogeneous society, then you
Speaker 2: do have a jury of your peers. There there might
Speaker 2: be there might be reasons good or bad where the
Speaker 2: jury already dislikes you before you before you sit down
Speaker 2: and they hear any evidence. But for the most part,
Speaker 2: we expect that a judge will be impartial and a
Speaker 2: jury will be impartial. Obviously judges are not Judges are
Speaker 2: essentially employees of the administrative state at this point.
Speaker 3: Most of them are.
Speaker 2: Remember adherence to the progressive religion, and juries are a
Speaker 2: rolla dice. Maybe you'll get the the jury that, oh, shoot,
Speaker 2: the I'm going to bog bee here, the blonde guy
Speaker 2: at the mustache in New York.
Speaker 4: Penny Daniel Penny. Yeah, maybe you get.
Speaker 3: The Daniel Penny jury.
Speaker 2: Or maybe you get the Portland jury where the gamer words.
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Speaker 3: that dies.
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Speaker 4: So complete and total aside. I'll get back to this point.
Speaker 4: I liked your use of that of that verb bog
Speaker 4: beefed it, uh because every once in a while, Yeah,
Speaker 4: because I'll have both you at Bog on the show
Speaker 4: fairly often because I like talking to you. But it's
Speaker 4: always funny to me when someone who's sort of outside
Speaker 4: of our circle interacts with bog Beef in particular, because
Speaker 4: they'll always leave comments. We'll be like, could you keep
Speaker 4: this guy on track? I'm like, no, I can't. No
Speaker 4: one can't. And that is what you sign up for,
Speaker 4: right It's like, Okay, sure you can give it a shot.
Speaker 4: You know, I'd like to see your you try, though.
Speaker 2: Like I think the bog Beef and I we are
Speaker 2: we are colleagues and the at Old Boys Podcast, and
Speaker 2: we've been.
Speaker 3: Friends for over got over twenty years at this point.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of like you remem bring in the
Speaker 2: Star Wars movie you got you got Han Solo and Chewbacca,
Speaker 2: and Chewbacca talks and Han Solo can understand him and
Speaker 2: he has them to translate it. That's my role when
Speaker 2: we're talking with the fucking with the third party. Like
Speaker 2: the verb bog beef means to you forget the proper
Speaker 2: now name of a person, so you just like mad
Speaker 2: limit like who is that guy with the mustache you
Speaker 2: see choked the guy to death on the subway, and
Speaker 2: then you know, I need to pop in with Daniel Penny.
Speaker 4: Actually it's somewhat related. And this is the most inside
Speaker 4: baseball thing ever, because there are about two podcasts that
Speaker 4: I listened to religiously and it is a Good Old
Speaker 4: Boys in Timeline Earth for very different reasons. But uh,
Speaker 4: you guys did an episode not too long ago entirely
Speaker 4: concerned with one of the original makers of Mortal Kombat.
Speaker 4: I think I think was the last one. Dude, I'm
Speaker 4: just crying laughing. I had like I had the flu
Speaker 4: or something that week, so I was dead hack it
Speaker 4: off the lung and I'm like crying laughing because for
Speaker 4: those who haven't heard it, this guy is the most
Speaker 4: hilarious Italian stereotype. You know, despite being involved in fighting games,
Speaker 4: which is like a relatively nerdy endeavor, He's just talking
Speaker 4: about harassing other workers, threatening to fight people if they
Speaker 4: beat him in a video game, and all of these
Speaker 4: like nerdy you know, modern day games journalists are just
Speaker 4: a gas at this guy. It's great comedy. But to
Speaker 4: return to your point about Penny, I mean, I think
Speaker 4: another great example of this is Kyle Rittenhouse, to be
Speaker 4: perfectly honest, if he had had anyone other than a
Speaker 4: judge born in the nineteen forties. You know, a guy
Speaker 4: who looks like he could run a hardware store or
Speaker 4: something like that. I mean that kid, I think he
Speaker 4: got married. Congratulations to Kyle Rittenhouse, but he'd be in
Speaker 4: jail for the rest of his life if he hadn't
Speaker 4: basically won that lottery on that judge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there have been a couple of trials that was
Speaker 2: kind of obvious.
Speaker 3: One way or the other. Hegh was going to go
Speaker 3: that when I thought I felt was on the bubble.
Speaker 2: And yeah, especially because uh he was was he he
Speaker 2: was tried in wiscon Was he tried in Wisconsin or Minnesota?
Speaker 4: I'm the wrong person ask We'll go with Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't they're both. I mean, they're both part
Speaker 3: of mort or anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're when your fates being decided by the
Speaker 2: legal system, and.
Speaker 3: Like either one of those cursed forty eight or states,
Speaker 3: you're you're already you're already at a huge disadvantage.
Speaker 2: He was lucky with the draw, both by the judge
Speaker 2: and the jury. Although I mean, I would say, although,
Speaker 2: how could you convict somebody when the guy goes on
Speaker 2: the stand in admits he was trying to kill him?
Speaker 2: But you know, our our attorney general in a month
Speaker 2: is going to be a literal communist who says that
Speaker 2: he wants to murder murder Republicans and their family members, and.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be in charge of Virginia law enforcement.
Speaker 2: So like pretty much anything is possible when it comes
Speaker 2: to when it comes.
Speaker 3: To the Libs.
Speaker 4: Do you remember do you remember the name of the
Speaker 4: prosecutor in the Rittin House case? It was it Dinger.
Speaker 4: Was that his last name?
Speaker 3: It was something like that. He had like the Star
Speaker 3: Wars tie. He was the most Yeah, the.
Speaker 4: Doubt, But I just remember there was this hilarious moment
Speaker 4: from the trial and you could tell this guy had
Speaker 4: never you know, held a gun in his life, because
Speaker 4: he has you know, Kyle's you know, Bushmaster Special with
Speaker 4: the Amazon red dot and he's wheeling around the courthouse
Speaker 4: pointing it. The entire cherie, you know, everyone in attendance,
Speaker 4: which I mean, let's be honest, man, I'm glad he
Speaker 4: got off. That guy seems like a scumback, But that
Speaker 4: was kind of a funny move. Just just a point
Speaker 4: a weapon in the entire court room.
Speaker 2: So just just got punish her on the entire court
Speaker 2: room popping a magazine.
Speaker 3: You would you say it went something like this, mister Rittenhouse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well that's one of those Oh sorry, I'll
Speaker 4: let you put it that thought.
Speaker 3: I'm just this is just like minutia about the trial.
Speaker 2: That was his trial, I heard something that I had
Speaker 2: never heard before, which was someone successfully using the forward
Speaker 2: assist on an AR style rifle. He actually used it
Speaker 2: in like a combat situation. I thought they were just
Speaker 2: basically for decoration at this point, I think anybody ever
Speaker 2: ever used that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there were a number of miraculous things
Speaker 4: about that, right obviously, you know you have the quite
Speaker 4: literally one in a million use of the forward assist,
Speaker 4: a future I have literally never used for its intended purpose.
Speaker 4: Right to your point, it just seems to be there
Speaker 4: for decoration. Actually, that birth one of the funniest, and
Speaker 4: it was one of my mutuals on Twitter. I can't
Speaker 4: remember who posted a fake tweet right, posing as a
Speaker 4: lefty saying, you know, this is the forward assist on
Speaker 4: an AR fifteen. It switches it into fully semi automatic mode.
Speaker 3: You know, is a turbo button.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it got picked up by Bloomberg
Speaker 4: or something like that, right, the tweet shown in the article,
Speaker 4: which is just hilarious.
Speaker 2: The other blessed aspect of this that trial is like
Speaker 2: you're this, You're at this pro twenty twenty protests full
Speaker 2: of lib lib tards, and you like you're shoot into
Speaker 2: the crowd randomly, like everybody you hit is a convicted
Speaker 2: sex offender or a wife diter, like they're always kind.
Speaker 3: Of violent, psychopathic.
Speaker 4: Felons, which you know, to go back to de Terte,
Speaker 4: there's a conclusion you can draw. I won't spell it
Speaker 4: out for you. Some are saying, but yeah, that was
Speaker 4: sort of an interesting and interesting trial because I think
Speaker 4: it also made it entirely clear, which we all knew,
Speaker 4: right to what degree American politics is just pure team sports,
Speaker 4: and the specific you know, variables in the case do
Speaker 4: not matter in the slightest because you know, all of
Speaker 4: the you know, the the lefty two AA for all people, right,
Speaker 4: who are all you know, talking about armed minorities are
Speaker 4: harder to oppress. It's like, well, the moment that someone
Speaker 4: actually you know, goes after some showay say community policing,
Speaker 4: of course this man needs to be drawn and quartered. Right,
Speaker 4: that was the response, completely indeterminate or completely unrelated to
Speaker 4: anything actually in the case. Right, it was pure tribal politics,
Speaker 4: you know, in or out. And yeah, I remember very distinctly.
Speaker 4: I was in college at the time listening to to Vousch,
Speaker 4: which you know I did, knowing it would make me
Speaker 4: very angry you go react to this live stream trial,
Speaker 4: which let's be also, it was also just a weird
Speaker 4: thing to have happened. And I don't know, man, I
Speaker 4: realized it wasn't entirely as big as like the whole
Speaker 4: OJ thing, but it did very much feel like the
Speaker 4: entire nation was watching that trial happen.
Speaker 14: It.
Speaker 2: It's like with the with I'm I'm I'm old enough
Speaker 2: to remember the OJ trial and like, yeah, that was
Speaker 2: one purely like racial tribal everybody who wasn't just completely
Speaker 2: like in the bag for identity politics, like knew he
Speaker 2: was guilty. With the Rittenhouse trial, it was interesting because
Speaker 2: I think they were having this moment where they.
Speaker 3: Were really feeling themselves.
Speaker 2: They were pretty pretty dominant culturally politically, it was gonna
Speaker 2: gonna be the beginning of the thousand year Biden Reich, and.
Speaker 3: I kind of got the sense that there were people.
Speaker 2: Even amongst them, who were like, maybe this is going
Speaker 2: a little bit too far, Maybe we should maybe we
Speaker 2: should just ease up on this.
Speaker 3: You know, we're gonna we're gonna win politically.
Speaker 2: Let the kid go and we'll kind of de escalate.
Speaker 2: And that might have been, might have been what happened.
Speaker 2: But I mean, unfortunately, now we are in the exact
Speaker 2: opposite situation. This is like we're like in we're in like.
Speaker 3: Twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: And things, they're they're very angry, they're they're getting they're
Speaker 2: getting nutty. I mean, again, I'm not gonna blabor the
Speaker 2: point about the man who's in charge of law enforcement
Speaker 2: in our state, but he's openly fed posting in public,
Speaker 2: and not only did the Libs in Virginia vote for him,
Speaker 2: the quote unquote moderates voted for him too, over Jason Murez,
Speaker 2: who's just there's no reason to dislike Jason Murez other
Speaker 2: than he's a Republican. Things are going to get really
Speaker 2: nasty in the near future, and I'm not sure people
Speaker 2: are ready for They people think that normanies think they
Speaker 2: know where normal people stand about political violence and these
Speaker 2: kind of behaviors, but they don't.
Speaker 3: And this should have been a wake up call. If
Speaker 3: nothing else, like.
Speaker 2: The idea that I think in it, five or ten
Speaker 2: years ago, Jones would have resigned immediately that when that
Speaker 2: came out. But it's a new day, and frankly, nobody
Speaker 2: really cares about political violence in the end, and that's
Speaker 2: the teachable lesson from this election. No one really cares.
Speaker 2: Keep that in mind.
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Speaker 4: He's kind of faded from relevance with Carl CASSARDA.
Speaker 3: No, not familiar with them at all.
Speaker 4: He's now turned himself into kind of a low cow.
Speaker 4: But uh, years ago he was on He shared a
Speaker 4: YouTube channel with Ian McCollum Forgotten Weapons Fame. Who does
Speaker 4: he's kind of you know ten minute like many explorations
Speaker 4: of weird guns. Right for instance today you know he
Speaker 4: did a breakdown of you know Garrant right the of
Speaker 4: m one Grand fame, his person his like final project
Speaker 4: which was this crazy like pneumatically operated gun, just very professional,
Speaker 4: just talks about it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: Like ten years ago he had the second side project
Speaker 4: with this guy Carl where they would do more hands
Speaker 4: on testing. Right, This was the era of you know,
Speaker 4: durability testing. You dump something in mud, you see hot
Speaker 4: performs it. Kind of low intensity content. Right, fast forward
Speaker 4: to twenty sixteen, this guy Carl goes nuts, absolutely nuts,
Speaker 4: starts a fight with arfcom right, one of the biggest
Speaker 4: gun forums. It's continuing to this day, Kiwi farms the
Speaker 4: whole lot. He's a self described Satanist, you know, big
Speaker 4: into trans women, absolute lunatic. So any of the reason
Speaker 4: I bring this up this is relevant is Wired magazine
Speaker 4: does an article the hard left Shooters leading a gun
Speaker 4: culture Revolution, all about John Brown gun Club, all about
Speaker 4: the two a for all right community, which is basically,
Speaker 4: you know, autistic men equally interested in you know, modifying
Speaker 4: firearms and you know show we say, or rearranging their
Speaker 4: own bodies in somewhat similar sense. And what's interesting about
Speaker 4: that article is not any content. It's not particularly good article,
Speaker 4: nothing really happens in it, but the language about it
Speaker 4: is kind of scary because the whole thing is presented
Speaker 4: as Wow, the fascist Republicans are so scary that these
Speaker 4: you know, innocent trans women who are just so beautiful.
Speaker 4: The language is almost disgusting right the way talk about
Speaker 4: these people. It's it's so over the top, you know,
Speaker 4: it seems more out of like Sama's or you know,
Speaker 4: like fucking Bagdad Bill or whatever. But uh point is,
Speaker 4: the whole thing is littered with these references to you know,
Speaker 4: the upcoming years of lead right, the idea that it
Speaker 4: is morally justifiable for you know, trans people, minorities, any
Speaker 4: of these sort of client groups to pick up arms
Speaker 4: against the fascist state, just over and over and over again.
Speaker 4: And it's it's interesting because look like Wired is a
Speaker 4: pretty lefty but it's not like Vice or something like that,
Speaker 4: Like they have a relatively normal readership, you know, kind
Speaker 4: of reddity, but you know, this isn't like the most
Speaker 4: extreme thing out there. And to see political violence explicitly
Speaker 4: talked about in a magazine like that, I know, it
Speaker 4: kind of took me back to your point, right, like
Speaker 4: how off you know, how off the table do we
Speaker 4: assume political violence is. And again, it's not a good thing.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying this is great. I'm so excited for
Speaker 4: that to happen, Like, far from it. I think this
Speaker 4: is gonna get very very nasty. And it seems like
Speaker 4: they're sort of spinning themselves up into a like a
Speaker 4: fever pitch almost.
Speaker 3: I just the first thing that came to bad when
Speaker 3: you described that wire arc was like.
Speaker 2: One of those inserts with the photograph with the subtitled
Speaker 2: like Juniper swapped out she hers lower receiver.
Speaker 4: But that's pretty much what it is. Man.
Speaker 2: The thing is okay, but this is I mean, this
Speaker 2: isn't funny because yeah, they are forming militias in the open,
Speaker 2: and this is Donald Trump's fault, this is the DOJ's fault.
Speaker 2: As soon as Charlie Kirk was killed, every John Brown
Speaker 2: GluN club in the United States should have been investigated.
Speaker 2: Arrest should have been made. Everybody who was in the
Speaker 2: discord server with the with the transsectionual Chaser killer his
Speaker 2: friend group, everybody should have been arrested. They should have
Speaker 2: they should have done what happened after January sixth.
Speaker 3: They didn't do that, which says to me that they
Speaker 3: don't know what time it is to use the mean formula.
Speaker 3: And when you when.
Speaker 2: Your enemies are gunning up and they're saying like, hey,
Speaker 2: it's a shame we have to do this, but we
Speaker 2: have to get ready to kill our political opponents because
Speaker 2: we're just so darned justified in our insane psychotic behavior,
Speaker 2: and you're getting backed up by you know, ostensibly wired
Speaker 2: magazines about computers and technology, like were like, why are
Speaker 2: you why did you make this article in the first place,
Speaker 2: But that's like it's obvious. It's like like every other magazine,
Speaker 2: every media corporation that's not explicitly right wing, their job
Speaker 2: is to spread progressive propaganda and spread the religion. So like,
Speaker 2: if you don't use this the if they don't use
Speaker 2: the state power of the state to deal with this,
Speaker 2: which would not even be invalid, that is actually their job.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe they expect us to to, like, uh, have gunfights
Speaker 2: in the streets with insane communist transsexuals like that, like that.
Speaker 2: Somehow that's gonna that's supposed to be our job. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's the view of the of this administration. I would
Speaker 2: certainly hope not, but they kind of act that way.
Speaker 2: It's like Rittenhouse Writtenhouse should have never been in that position.
Speaker 2: He should never had to do that. He shouldn't have
Speaker 2: had to shoot someone, he shouldn't have had to been
Speaker 2: on trial, like the the the National Guard should have
Speaker 2: been there and stop those people and some by the ATF,
Speaker 2: the FBI. Here's a good opportunity for you to go
Speaker 2: track down these maniacs who are arming themselves for political purposes.
Speaker 3: But they're not doing that.
Speaker 4: Well exactly. And I've been particularly frustrated with and this
Speaker 4: is relevant, I promise, with a lot of the language
Speaker 4: about affordability right coming out of the administration, you know,
Speaker 4: the big man repeating twice it's a Democrat hoax, because look,
Speaker 4: I get it, the economy is a complicated thing, but
Speaker 4: there are a lot of other things which aren't that complicated,
Speaker 4: like finding a group of people on a discord, or
Speaker 4: finding a number of people who are pictured in HD
Speaker 4: in an article saying we are politically arming ourselves to
Speaker 4: basically shoot your constituents. It's like, well, do you're in charge?
Speaker 14: Right?
Speaker 4: You can allegedly right if we assume that we put
Speaker 4: you there for a reason, You have access to levers
Speaker 4: that we don't hear, you can do things that we don't.
Speaker 4: And so look like politics is ultimately transactional, and if
Speaker 4: you're not doing anything for me, why do you feel
Speaker 4: entitled to my support? Like the whole reason people have
Speaker 4: this sort of undying loyalty towards Trump, or is that
Speaker 4: he was seen as being on their side much more
Speaker 4: so than any other Republican in recent history, and so
Speaker 4: he got that crazy loyalty. But if you don't hold
Speaker 4: your under the deal up, it's.
Speaker 14: Like, well, why.
Speaker 4: Are you surprised that support is decay? Right, Like this
Speaker 4: is a transactional relationship at base.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the very.
Speaker 2: STARTUS administration, when they were making moves every day and
Speaker 2: the Libs are on the back foot, they like, his
Speaker 2: popularity was higher than it normally is. I don't think
Speaker 2: it was ever really very far above water, but that's
Speaker 2: just to be expected in part with partisan politics today.
Speaker 2: But they've run on esteem and now they're they're reactive
Speaker 2: and they're falling back. They seemed to be falling back
Speaker 2: into the typical Republican stance of well, here's what I'm
Speaker 2: offering to you, my clients. I'm going to just not
Speaker 2: let my enemies do the things to you that they
Speaker 2: want to do to you, which you know, okay, protection
Speaker 2: is part of the patron client relationship. But you can't
Speaker 2: just offer that. You have to offer something positive because
Speaker 2: saying like that I'm not as bad as the other guy,
Speaker 2: that doesn't get people excited. That doesn't They're not going
Speaker 2: to go the extra mile to work for you. They're
Speaker 2: not going to even come out and vote for you
Speaker 2: as you as we saw in in November of this year,
Speaker 2: it doesn't work. And I I mean, I'm making it.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm under complicating it a little bit
Speaker 2: because obviously there's a lot of structural problems for the administration.
Speaker 2: They don't they don't have a great control over the
Speaker 2: permanent bureaucracy, they have obvious troubles with the judicial system.
Speaker 2: Congress is useless because they're enough traitorous Republicans like people
Speaker 2: like McConnell who actually want Trump to fail, that he
Speaker 2: can't really.
Speaker 3: Rely on them.
Speaker 2: But that just means you have to double down on
Speaker 2: executive authority, and you know, they do, like like yesterday
Speaker 2: they put out a you know, saying that, hey, we
Speaker 2: no longer acknowledge that disparate impact is a valid legal
Speaker 2: concept and things like that.
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Speaker 2: That that's cool, that's good. You should have done that
Speaker 2: months and months ago. But you know you're gonna have
Speaker 2: to at some point flex that flex the muscle and
Speaker 2: just straight up use executive authority in a positive way. Otherwise,
Speaker 2: when you know, when twenty twenty eight rolls around, the
Speaker 2: Democrats are going to are going to destroy them because
Speaker 2: they haven't They won't have done anything for their constituents.
Speaker 2: And I mean the economies we know inflation is gonna
Speaker 2: Inflation is gonna be worse. The economy is probably gonna
Speaker 2: be worse. All the problems that are here today are
Speaker 2: aside from perhaps immigration. You know, after four years of
Speaker 2: deportations and self deportations.
Speaker 3: It might be noticeably better.
Speaker 2: But you know, not if they replace all the Guatemalans
Speaker 2: they deport with Indians and Pakistanis and Chinese people.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, if you have.
Speaker 2: Nothing to show at the end of three years, you're
Speaker 2: gonna you're gonna get exactly what you what.
Speaker 3: You earned.
Speaker 4: Exactly. And you know, you know that Republicans don't understand
Speaker 4: a trinage because of the way that they constantly attempt
Speaker 4: to poach certain groups from the Democrats. You hear this
Speaker 4: line over and over again. You know, the idea of
Speaker 4: like a natural conservative or a natural Republican. Reagan infamously equipped, right,
Speaker 4: Latinos are Republicans. They just don't know it yet. And yeah, sure,
Speaker 4: you know, there have been some demographic changes, and we
Speaker 4: understand that, you know, hispanic doesn't meant a whole lot,
Speaker 4: and you know, people from certain areas, you know, vote
Speaker 4: different ways. But also, how long has it been since
Speaker 4: Reagan said that what has become of the country since
Speaker 4: then on demographic level, and how do those places vote.
Speaker 4: They have not suddenly discovered that they are natural Republicans.
Speaker 4: Far from it, And why is it? On a certain level,
Speaker 4: you can see the logic, right, Well, these people are Catholic.
Speaker 4: Catholic or Catholics are generally seemingly socially conservative, so they
Speaker 4: should align with the conservative nominally party. Well, there's a
Speaker 4: couple things there, which is one, there's a world of
Speaker 4: difference between socially conservative for their culture socially conservative for
Speaker 4: your culture. And also there's the fact that they get
Speaker 4: paid directly and indirectly not to vote for you, right.
Speaker 4: You mentioned, you know, disparate impact. That's a huge one
Speaker 4: affirmative action, as we mentioned in this case in you know, Portland,
Speaker 4: you get a sort of samurai esque difference from law enforcement, right,
Speaker 4: assuming you're in a particular area. And also there's a
Speaker 4: huge difference between being socially conservative and being part of
Speaker 4: the conservative movement. Those things are not correlated at all.
Speaker 4: And so you have you know, black Americans who are
Speaker 4: on an issue by issue basis to the right of
Speaker 4: basically everyone when it comes to things like homosexuality, a
Speaker 4: few other you know, kind of progressive shibbaleth. But as
Speaker 4: we've seen in this recent election, they didn't vote for
Speaker 4: the nominal social Conservatives. And I think a big part
Speaker 4: of it is that conservatives one feel like they need
Speaker 4: some sort of affirmation from those groups, like they're not
Speaker 4: legitimate unless they have you know, the Jesse Jackson Seal
Speaker 4: of approval. But also I think that conservatives are under
Speaker 4: the severely mistaken, severely mistaken idea that these groups actually
Speaker 4: want equality, they want fair treatment. No they don't. They
Speaker 4: have a pretty good deal worked out and they get
Speaker 4: a whole lot more than that. So, you know, as
Speaker 4: our progressive friends are fond of reminding us, when you're
Speaker 4: in a position of privilege, equality feels like oppression. I
Speaker 4: guess I'll leave you to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all excellent points. I'd say the first one
Speaker 2: I touch on is, you know, why do the Republicans
Speaker 2: do this?
Speaker 3: Well, mainly because the two reasons.
Speaker 2: One, everyone who's alive and not in like a nursing
Speaker 2: home today, who like, who's still involved in politics one
Speaker 2: way or the other is was born you know, either
Speaker 2: after or at the very tail end of like the
Speaker 2: Roosevelt administration. So everyone alive involved in politics, even an
Speaker 2: old man like Donald Trump. They have been raised most
Speaker 2: of their life within the progressive religion, and one way
Speaker 2: or the other, there is like a veneration of a
Speaker 2: black Americans that just it doesn't matter if it works
Speaker 2: politically for you or not. It's just always there and
Speaker 2: they really desperately want that approval from you know, like
Speaker 2: just take twelve percent of the population and they don't
Speaker 2: like you politically. It's very stupid to try to chase that.
Speaker 2: Because funny enough, you know, Trump did make some tiny
Speaker 2: inroads with with black men in the last election because
Speaker 2: he was doing things for for his his clients, and
Speaker 2: some of the brothers were like, hey, I like to
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 3: I like to get in on that.
Speaker 2: Because the Democrats aren't doing a lot. They aren't doing
Speaker 2: a lot for me anymore. It's it's, you know, they've
Speaker 2: shifted towards some new demographic groups that they're chasing after.
Speaker 2: But all that aside, you know, it's it's all what
Speaker 2: you know. You are always about giving things to your friends,
Speaker 2: and you pay for it by taking stuff, taking things
Speaker 2: either from the general population or better yet.
Speaker 3: From your enemies.
Speaker 2: And if you're doing anything other than that, when it
Speaker 2: comes to like the nuts and bolts of politics, you
Speaker 2: are committing complete malpractice. And that's just what the Republicans
Speaker 2: have always done. And the other aspect is they not
Speaker 2: just the approval of like minority groups, but the approval
Speaker 2: of their lib and aggressive colleagues. They want to be
Speaker 2: able to go out and have dinner with these people.
Speaker 2: They don't want to be they don't want to get
Speaker 2: the Trump treatment from the media. Like you have to
Speaker 2: be a special kind of person to accept that kind
Speaker 2: of hatred and and not be strongly affected by it,
Speaker 2: and most people can't do that. Second, the second thing,
Speaker 2: if there were such a thing as natural conservatives, obviously
Speaker 2: the you know brothers would have been voting for Republicans
Speaker 2: for like thirty years at this fourth, thirty or forty
Speaker 2: years at this point.
Speaker 3: But there's no such thing. It's easier to see this
Speaker 3: in Europe.
Speaker 2: Because of the I guess, the political situation in the
Speaker 2: migrant countries. But like, you know, a Turkish person in
Speaker 2: Germany will vote in the Turkish election for the most
Speaker 2: hard right fascist political party, but in Germany he supports,
Speaker 2: you know, the Greens.
Speaker 3: Anybody who's going to give him stuff.
Speaker 2: He is politically a communist in Germany and politically a
Speaker 2: fascist back home, and there are I mean, this is
Speaker 2: how most people are. If you're getting money from the
Speaker 2: United States government, it doesn't really matter what you think
Speaker 2: deep in your heart about the tax system or whether
Speaker 2: or not gay people should be should should be married.
Speaker 2: You care about what they're going to do for you.
Speaker 2: And that's universal, I think, I mean, I hope Republicans
Speaker 2: are kind of starting to understand that, but the lure
Speaker 2: of the lie will always be there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and I think that to that point, you're right,
Speaker 4: Like England is probably the best example to hand, because
Speaker 4: I can read their newspapers. Uh. But you have this
Speaker 4: really bizarre alliance between effectively the far left and actual Islamicists,
Speaker 4: people who believe in you know, Sharia law and you know,
Speaker 4: killing animals in a bizarre way to eat them. And Uh,
Speaker 4: on a surface, that makes no sense, right, Why would
Speaker 4: this gay guy you know politically align himself to someone
Speaker 4: who wishes to escort him out of a building through
Speaker 4: alternative units? To put it that way, It doesn't make
Speaker 4: any sense. But to your point, right, these people are
Speaker 4: quite conservative, but for their culture, right, so they don't
Speaker 4: seem to want, you know, gay stuff in their schools.
Speaker 4: But if that happens to you, it is of no
Speaker 4: concern to them, especially if they're being paid. Right, they're
Speaker 4: getting adult they're getting a paid, they're getting patronage. And
Speaker 4: I think perhaps the premier example of this is Rep
Speaker 4: ilhan Omar. I'm sure you've seen the clip going around
Speaker 4: of her talking to Somalians in Somali or she basically says,
Speaker 4: I am a representative of your interests. My primary goals
Speaker 4: are giving you money and ensuring that Ethiopia doesn't take
Speaker 4: more territory from Somalia, which is you know, refreshingly honest.
Speaker 4: Probably a little bit cynical to do it in her
Speaker 4: native language instead of that of the country in which
Speaker 4: she lives. Uh, But either way, right, it is she
Speaker 4: is someone who's basically a blood and soil nationalist. But
Speaker 4: not for you, of course, right, for you, it's communism.
Speaker 4: For her, it's fascism, you know, for her it is
Speaker 4: you know, full on you know, Austrian painter, your blood
Speaker 4: and soil stuff. And uh, I think it's James Kirkpatrick, uh,
Speaker 4: a friend of mine who said basically everyone is a
Speaker 4: blood and soil nationalist for somewhere. I'm butchering the quote,
Speaker 4: but we'll go ahead of for.
Speaker 2: The nation that they care about, which is yeah, and
Speaker 2: that's I I was gonna bring that.
Speaker 3: He's got he's got a show.
Speaker 2: Now is he using his h his government name as
Speaker 2: the brothers saying now?
Speaker 3: Or is he still no?
Speaker 14: He is?
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny actually I know him like we're friends and.
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Speaker 4: I've met him and I didn't realize he goes. He's
Speaker 4: on his channel as Kevin Didena. That's his name. Oh
Speaker 4: I knew him as James Kirkpatrick. It turns out he
Speaker 4: was Greg Hood And look, I don't pay attention to
Speaker 4: dosing just as a rule it doesn't particularly interest me.
Speaker 4: But despite knowing the guy, I've been to his house,
Speaker 4: I did not realize that bit of information, and so
Speaker 4: it was sort of funny to realize that was all
Speaker 4: one guy. But uh yeah, point is his His new
Speaker 4: show is great. I've been on there, which is a
Speaker 4: reason you should check it out. But uh yeah, I'll
Speaker 4: be sure to link to it because Kevin's doing good work.
Speaker 4: He actually also has a Twitter only forty k podcast,
Speaker 4: which is pretty good. Iighly recommend it if you're the
Speaker 4: you know, one of the shall we say, uh, non
Speaker 4: neurotypical members of the audience who might be interested in that.
Speaker 2: Until dog Beef has gotten in the Warhammer with our
Speaker 2: our friend hell Belly Ellogi has gotten him into it.
Speaker 2: It was a you know, the gateway drug. And I
Speaker 2: constantly getting emails from these places that sell the little,
Speaker 2: the little I got the metal or plastic men because
Speaker 2: we have the podcast email account.
Speaker 3: So I'm just next time.
Speaker 2: Hey, there's a new Ultramarine set out only five hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty dollars.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: If Warhammer is extremely popular on the right for obvious reasons,
Speaker 2: it's probably one of the last bastions of.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, it's it's they're trying to to pause it
Speaker 4: so hard. I've actually been like pretty successfully getting myself
Speaker 4: out of forty k as a deliberate strategy. It's really
Speaker 4: I said about this like two years ago because I
Speaker 4: realized that they control you through these properties, like they
Speaker 4: drag you around by the nose to basically fund their
Speaker 4: stuff and their guys. And I sort of realized, I
Speaker 4: was like, you know what, like if I do this,
Speaker 4: if I buy their stuff, they got me, you know,
Speaker 4: in some small way, and they make me care because
Speaker 4: then I get upset when their stuff is in it.
Speaker 4: And if I just you know, emotionally divorce, if I
Speaker 4: take the clearer pill right to crib for jard it
Speaker 4: it's clean. But yeah, man, it's actually funny. I was.
Speaker 4: I was dming back with Bugby about this. I was
Speaker 4: actually a commissioned painter in college, so I used to
Speaker 4: do like people's armies and stuff like that. It was
Speaker 4: a ton of fun. And the core message, especially the
Speaker 4: older stuff of that franchise, is actually really fascinating. It's
Speaker 4: a deeply, deeply reactionary setting where it's basically like the
Speaker 4: world is dying, the evil is real, and at a
Speaker 4: moment's notice, if you let degeneracy slide, hell will appear
Speaker 4: wherever you are and kill you to death with like,
Speaker 4: you know, the most horrific things possible. So therefore the
Speaker 4: only way to resist it is you know, national socialism
Speaker 4: in space, which is a incredibly reactionary message and literally
Speaker 4: like that is the underlying thesis of that. They've ben
Speaker 4: try to get away from it, but it is as
Speaker 4: it's no shock that so many of our guys are
Speaker 4: into it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Anything about it, but I I saw the you know,
Speaker 2: the deem like there are different demon armies and the
Speaker 2: one is like the weird transsexual pervert army and the
Speaker 2: other yeah literally, the big fat, disgusting diseased army. Is
Speaker 2: like that is such a perfect I get. If you
Speaker 2: were trying to set up you know, sides in a
Speaker 2: way that would explain modernity of people like you, you
Speaker 2: could do a lot worse than those two particular archetypes
Speaker 2: of entrophed.
Speaker 4: No, I mean to that point, and not to get
Speaker 4: too much into forty K lore, which I realize is
Speaker 4: is uh effectively uh non hormonal birth control, but uh
Speaker 4: quite literally, the there is space elves got up to
Speaker 4: so much gay activities that it birthed a new god.
Speaker 4: It was quite literally that they were so degenerate that
Speaker 4: it created like basically like a second Satan who was
Speaker 4: purely devoted sexual degeneracy. So literally, if you are too gay,
Speaker 4: you will create like a rape demon effectively your.
Speaker 2: Goon so hard you rip a hole in the space
Speaker 2: time continuum and crease.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly that.
Speaker 3: Hey, look that's directionally true.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Basically, it's a world where where gooting is a
Speaker 4: national security risk, and they'll just nuke the planet if
Speaker 4: your your goon cave grows too big.
Speaker 3: That's the only way to be shooting.
Speaker 4: Which going back to do Territe, there's an argument to
Speaker 4: be made. You know, maybe maybe Charlie Kirk would still
Speaker 4: be around if we were sending predator drones to uh
Speaker 4: the goon caves.
Speaker 2: If yeah, if the twenty per centuries tell us anything,
Speaker 2: it's the idea that like, well what could it hurt
Speaker 2: is the dumbest possible position to hold.
Speaker 3: Because like we just want we've we just watched it over.
Speaker 2: I saw today someone they did a poll that like
Speaker 2: now young young men are for the first time against
Speaker 2: sports betting. It's like, well yeah, because you the idea
Speaker 2: abstractly of sports betting seemed okay ten years ago. Now
Speaker 2: your fucking friends are all, you know, going broke on
Speaker 2: parlays and people were fixing NFL.
Speaker 3: Games and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, we see the problem.
Speaker 2: What was the problem. What happens if we let them
Speaker 2: get married? Well we saw what we saw, Abe got married.
Speaker 2: They're about to about to create a black hole and
Speaker 2: suck us all into the into the hell razor dimension.
Speaker 4: Well, really, if the slippery slope is not a fallacy.
Speaker 4: It is the undefeated heavyweight champion of the twenty first
Speaker 4: cent or the twentieth century, right, it just undefeated alleged fallacy.
Speaker 4: But I mean to that point, dude, like, look like,
Speaker 4: I'm sure you remember when they legalized skill games in
Speaker 4: our state. And now it's like anytime I go to
Speaker 4: a gas station, it's like someone's grandma spending her rent
Speaker 4: money to like spin a pirate themed you know, digital
Speaker 4: slot machine. And it's like, look, man, like, I'm not
Speaker 4: a big proponent of banning things, like it's just not
Speaker 4: in my character. It's not really in you know, our
Speaker 4: culture broadly speaking, right, but like I see that, I'm like,
Speaker 4: all right, make that go away. That lady is her.
Speaker 4: She is living a miserable life because we thought it
Speaker 4: would add some fraction to the GDP to let people
Speaker 4: put casinos in gas stations. And it's like, I it's
Speaker 4: to fix everything. Switch right, It's like we're drowning at
Speaker 4: a bathtub.
Speaker 3: We can just say no.
Speaker 4: And look like, gambling has always existed. People have always
Speaker 4: made bad decisions, But there's a world of difference between
Speaker 4: like your skiedee uncle, you know, going to a greyhound
Speaker 4: track and like, you know, going to a seven to
Speaker 4: eleven at three in the morning and seeing someone's grandma,
Speaker 4: you know, just swipe for hours on end. I don't know, man, the.
Speaker 2: Separation was necessary, the fact that you had to go,
Speaker 2: you know, you'd have to drive all the way to Charlestown, which.
Speaker 3: I did many times. And I'm not really a gambler,
Speaker 3: but you know, oh, we're going, and we're gonna.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be an event because we're at the race
Speaker 2: track and there's all this stuff happening.
Speaker 3: But now it's like.
Speaker 2: Every foreigner who owns the seven to eleven has his
Speaker 2: own little gay ass casino in the back corner.
Speaker 3: And like, my most hon Rocky, my most right.
Speaker 2: Wing opinion about anything is like, if I was the
Speaker 2: dictator of the United States, I would burn down every
Speaker 2: headshop and I would destroy all these video poker machines
Speaker 2: like stuff like that.
Speaker 3: I would get rid.
Speaker 2: Of it day one because it's it's just it's obviously bad.
Speaker 2: Put that stuff back into the back alleys, put it
Speaker 2: in the red light district, get it away from from public.
Speaker 2: From the public. It'll everybody will be happier. The people
Speaker 2: who like devices. They'll enjoy it more too, because it'll
Speaker 2: be it'll be cooler for them. Nothing's cool about the
Speaker 2: video poker machine. Gambling might be cool, but that is
Speaker 2: not cool. That is the lamest, saddest thing on the planet.
Speaker 4: Well, look, man like, there's a there's a world of difference. Uh.
Speaker 4: For instance, right, Uh, every year the big horse race
Speaker 4: at James Madison's house out in Orange County, and it's
Speaker 4: a it's fun, right, It's basically like a country club talladega.
Speaker 4: You know, everyone shows up, you wear fantasy clothes, you
Speaker 4: get smashed, and you bet on horses that you know
Speaker 4: nothing about. Right, But that's once a year and it's
Speaker 4: an event, right, you go there to do that. It's
Speaker 4: sort of a Saturnalia esque affair. It is not everywhere
Speaker 4: all at once. Like literally you pick up your phone,
Speaker 4: you know, you open an app and you can bet
Speaker 4: the most degenerate like multi leg parlay as possible or alternately,
Speaker 4: right as regards substances, it's not like you're getting you know,
Speaker 4: Jay's you know uber eats to your house. And again,
Speaker 4: man like, I'm not some kind of high handed, you know,
Speaker 4: pearl clutching conservative. You know this shouldn't be allowed, you know,
Speaker 4: the kind of stereotype of the nineteen twenties ten Prince movement,
Speaker 4: like generally just my my characters to be pretty liberal
Speaker 4: on something like that. But to your point, right, it's
Speaker 4: like these head shops appear every where and it just
Speaker 4: it drags everything down. You know, now everywhere is a
Speaker 4: CD back alley. You know, at least if it was
Speaker 4: strained in one place, you could avoid it. But now
Speaker 4: it's like I can't go to a store without its smelling,
Speaker 4: you know, stinking, like we are watching, you know, someone
Speaker 4: gamble their life away and I don't know, man, to
Speaker 4: your point like that is, I think my most reactionary
Speaker 4: moments are right then, particularly as you've mentioned, when it
Speaker 4: is shaw we say, a new arrival running the store,
Speaker 4: where you're just like what anyway, I probably shouldn't finish
Speaker 4: that thought.
Speaker 2: Every square inch of the country has to be a casino.
Speaker 2: It has to be a headshop. Sorry to Opium den.
Speaker 2: It has to be a homeless shelter. Every single square
Speaker 2: patch of dirt has to be just cram full of
Speaker 2: the creatures of scale, Like yes, this is I mean,
Speaker 2: if I don't know, is there a warhammer army of
Speaker 2: just like overpopulated, disgusting goblin creatures, because like that, that's
Speaker 2: the end boss of progressivism, because like they worked, they
Speaker 2: they love, they love scale so dearly that it's just
Speaker 2: like Matt Iglaciers is probably the most perfect example, because
Speaker 2: he would be happy if you had everyone, like every
Speaker 2: person on planet Earth stacked like cord Wood in the
Speaker 2: in the continental United States.
Speaker 3: Like that that's his dream, his dream world.
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't know how you deal with
Speaker 2: these people, but I have I have some thoughts about it.
Speaker 4: Uh look, I did I hear there's a former a
Speaker 4: former leader of the Philippines who's in need of a job,
Speaker 4: assuming he can get work released from prison. I guess.
Speaker 4: But Mark, dude, it was a ton of fun to
Speaker 4: have you on. I have to wrap up. But where
Speaker 4: can people find you? Man?
Speaker 3: So what?
Speaker 2: We have a show on Patreon It's Good Old Boys
Speaker 2: with a Z G O d O L B O
Speaker 2: y Z. We also stream on kick on Tuesdays and
Speaker 2: on Friday, so you can catch us in either of
Speaker 2: those places. And when are you coming on the show
Speaker 2: to speak with both of us?
Speaker 3: Come on again.
Speaker 4: We had a good time last time, literally anytime you want.
Speaker 4: I'm a professional podcaster, which means that I have quite
Speaker 4: literally nothing better to do. But I realized, you know,
Speaker 4: you guys are doing well on kick, but I think
Speaker 4: you guys are going about it all wrong. You're you're
Speaker 4: doing a show, You're doing it more making it better.
Speaker 4: You need to really lean into the IRL streaming and
Speaker 4: just start harassing people in public or conceivably, as we've
Speaker 4: seen with Raja Jackson, just commit a major felony on
Speaker 4: stream for donations. So I don't know what you guys
Speaker 4: are up to, but maybe if you could just find
Speaker 4: someone and beat them half to death or harass them,
Speaker 4: it might be good for the brand. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Just a prank, bro, just a prank.
Speaker 4: Put the gun down. That one kid who got shot
Speaker 4: for harassing a pizza delivery guy that was in Nova.
Speaker 4: I think I can't remember where it was. It was
Speaker 4: close to us. But uh, that's one of those just
Speaker 4: like perfect like instant karma, Like you can imagine it
Speaker 4: on you like your grandpa's Facebook feed, you know, the
Speaker 4: like f a FO compilations. I know, it's just a
Speaker 4: perfect moment.
Speaker 3: I know how I would have voted on that jury.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a territory esque fashion what I mark It
Speaker 4: was a great avidy man. As far as my stuff,
Speaker 4: Jay Burden Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you listen to podcasts,
Speaker 4: you throw me a few bucks. Get the episodes early
Speaker 4: and ad free. Check out Good Old Boys. Mark is
Speaker 4: great speaking with you everyone at home. Keep your head up.
Speaker 4: I can't last forever.
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