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Speaker 4: Panel, man man Man, All right, Mark, welcome to the
jay Bird and show. Hey doing that good?
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I'm obviously happy to have you back on
as far as the conversation goes. But uh, you and
I on our last conversation talked about how uh Abigail
Spanberger was going to win the Virginia gubernatorial race, and
much to my chagrin, we were completely and totally right
on that front.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were. We were more right than we thought
because not of this you win.
Speaker 2: Not only was it not close, but it was an
incredible blowout. And the other races weren't even close either.
Speaker 4: Right, even the the ag race, which is the one
where you'd think, you know, there would be ah, there'd
be a chance because you know what he was saying
about just fantasizing about killing the children of his political opponents,
which you know, you'd think would be a disqualifying gaff,
as they say, But dude, to go down the damage here. Uh,
I think the real story is the death of Republican
identity politics, right, the idea that, well, if we just
run our own then they'll all vote for her. Let
me let me pull this up. Uh So for context,
Spanberger won Black voters plus eighty six, Asian plus sixty,
Hispanic plus thirty four, and white people by I believe
plus six or plus eleven regardless across the board. Just
a astonishingly poor showing by the church lady. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Who who could have thought it might be a bad
idea to run a Jamaican lady to be the governor
of Virginia during a time when the Republican Party is
all in on anti immigration politics.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean when you say it like that, it
almost sounds like it was a bad idea, you know,
almost not sure maybe the next time we try it
at all work.
Speaker 2: It's interesting, Yeah, that she, I mean, she got her
doors blown off everywhere. But I mean that's not surprising
because she was a terrible candidate.
Speaker 3: But if you look at the lieutenant governor race.
Speaker 2: Also, she won every ethnicity except for white, which went
forty five fifty five.
Speaker 3: Uh to mister Reid. That's even in Virginia.
Speaker 2: That's that's a pretty uh, a pretty nasty number like
it in a year where you had, you know, I blow,
the first black woman to ever run for governor of Virginia.
Speaker 3: At the top of the ticket, you had a Hispanic.
Speaker 2: Age who, in fairness he did win Latino men, I suppose,
which I guess that's your your consolation prize.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we didn't learn anything. We already knew.
Speaker 2: You win elections in the twenty first century by getting
your base excited and getting them to come out to vote.
That's exactly what happened in twenty twenty one with Youngkin.
And if you don't do that, you get humiliated in
front of the entire country.
Speaker 4: Well, and I think that's sort of an interesting thing. Uh,
I've been talking a lot about I'm no doubt you're
aware of Mark because this whole woke right debacle, I assume.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh, she was the James Lindsay right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, I think I've been I think I've been
banned of a restraining order from talking about them because
I mentioned too much. But in all seriousness, right that
that sort of canard came up about a year and
a half ago, right, just as kind of a way
to smear people that liberals don't like. But what's been
interesting has been the conclusion of the losses in both
Virginia and New Jersey, which, look, man, there's a very boring,
normal nuts and boat bolts of politics explanation for these
two races, which is bad candidates astonishingly that in the
case of Virginia, the fact that Donald Trump rightly wrongly
was seen as threatening the jobs of roughly eight percent
the working people at our state. And also, aunt, let's
not you know, very lead here, the fact that generally
whichever party is in power does poorly in off year
elections and midterms. Right, Like, this isn't some sort of
like secret science here.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'd throw in a fourth one, which is that since
the rise of Trump, there's been a slow shift towards
Democrats killing it in off year elections. That used to
be something that Republicans performed well at. Now it's the opposite.
We're better in presidential year elections, and they're going to
have the advantage in off year, and that's just purely
a change of change of voter demographics.
Speaker 3: Like like you said, you could also hang a little
bit of.
Speaker 2: A blame on the on the big man here because
you had the shutdown, which does not seem to have
accomplished anything. I thought at the time maybe the goal was, well,
let them shut it down and then we'll just we'll
lay off a boatload of these federal not layoff, We'll
get rid of a boat load of these federal employees.
Speaker 3: But they didn't do that.
Speaker 2: Right after our election and did the Democrats in Congress
agreed to reopen the government, and the White House gotten.
Speaker 3: Out there for it.
Speaker 2: They rehired the few thousand people that they had they
had fired during the shutdown, and it seems to me
that they got exactly exactly what they want. They got
a boost in the election, and they successfully blamed the
Republicans in Congress for Obamacare, which is actually pretty impressive
politically if you think about it.
Speaker 4: Well, Mark, I've been reliably informed that the real people
we need to blame for this are the so called
woke right, which includes Tucker Carlson, really, anyone who wasn't
a liberal up until twenty sixteen, and most importantly, anyone
within two degrees of separation from one Nicholas JF. Windes
clearly right, that's a cynical ploy, Right, that's a cynical
take to say everyone I don't like is the reason
that we lost this election. That, let's be honest, we
were going to lose anyway. But it's been interesting. I
don't know if you picked up on this. There's been
a there's been a deliberate attempt to saddle JD. Vans
right the VP with the woke right and by extension
losses in twenty twenty five and then assumed losses in
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's very Obviously they're trying to do politicking
in advance of twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Because he is right.
Speaker 2: I mean, it means very little twenty so far away
from the election, but he is the front runner right now.
He's got the name recognition, he is vice president, he
has a lot of support. He gets a lot of
people younger people, which is faint praise when you're talking
about the Republican Republican Party. That just means it's some
people under fifty. Because he's you know, he's a millennial.
They're just trying to decap him in advance so they
can shove like tag crews down our throat or something
like that. That was that's just my assumption.
Speaker 3: I don't have any insider information or anything like that.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, I mean, look, uh, that's what I
think is gonna happen, So I think we can just
confirm it, right, based off of my hunch. That's how
podcast works, I guess. But it is one of those
things where it's is sort of disappointing to see the
GOP learn absolutely nothing because you know, we mentioned this
last time, right, the consequences of failure have never been higher. Right,
you have the so called Seditious six literally saying we
will send Pete Hegseth to jail, we will ship him
off to the Hague, right for war crimes. And it's like, okay, well, remember,
like I don't know, not that long ago, when they
ship Donald Trump off to jail and got a mug shot,
like you think they aren't gonna give it a shot.
Speaker 2: People did take the you know, to all to talk
about the war crimes in the Hague. And it's like
this is violating international law because oh will the United
States isn't subject to international law that which is.
Speaker 3: That's true, our service members are not.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you're not going to be forcibly extradited to
the Hague while Donald Trump is president. But what can
happen is if I don't even know who's going to
be at this point, Gavin Newsom is president in twenty
twenty nine, that absolutely can happen. In fact, it happens
successfully to the former president of the Philippines who was
arrested in the Philippines and shipped off to the Hague
and is currently on trial there for essentially for killing
drug dealers. So you know, the president is already there.
It's a very easy way for the Democrats to do
something to punish somebody without having the blood on their hands,
like they say, Okay, hey, he's over, he's he's in
Europe and he's been tried by a council of all
the nations of the world. I have no control over it.
I'm just the poor little, you know, lib president of
the United States. I think people aren't taking that threat
as seriously as they should.
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Speaker 4: Well, it sucks too because it's like having Charles Bronson
be the president of your country. It's kind of a
cool idea, right, just having a president who's like, yeah,
drug dealers, I personally as he is alleged to have done,
am going to shoot them. You can too if you want.
It's very least. It's a novel idea. And you know,
in this kind of like got awful Francis Fukuyama future
right where every government is basically exactly the same, you
just want some novelty, right, like we should have more.
I guess you could say like eighties action movie themed governments,
you know, like we've we've tried the whole you know,
death wish thing. I guess we could probably substitute some
others in there. I think we've not given this idea
enough sideration.
Speaker 3: You know, this is I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Agree, I agree with all that. I would like to
subscribe to your newsletter. But also yeah, I mean they
have to. They have to punish this behavior because the
mean that going around now is to fix everything easily
switch like when it comes to like these drug traffickers
and pretty much criminals in general. Yeah, there is an
easy button, just like to be nice thum in jail
and throw away the key or you know, more kinetic options.
They have to make it impossible for you to do
that because anybody who does it immediately becomes incredibly popular,
like like Deutte was initially. I'm I'm not super familiar
with Filipino politics, but I imagine like he he became less popular,
you know, because of economic problems or whatever, but people
were very happy to watch him go judge dread on
drug traffickers in this country.
Speaker 3: They loved it.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's the success story of bucele right,
the fix Everything switch. And it's been interesting to see
the sort of hysterical reaction to Trump's comments. Admittedly, these
are comments where he seems to be getting increasingly fed
up with violent crime in the judiciary. And I think
that's sort of an interesting question of the Trump presidency, right,
which is who is in charge? Is it the executive
or some judge somewhere? And I think that there's a
lot of political hay to be made there because people,
myself included and just other normal people are incredibly fed
up with this routine story of XYZ, thirty five time
offender out on bail for setting someone on fire, decides
to kill someone else, you know what I mean. You
can even look back at you know, country music from
the seventies right to see the same thing. Right, you
see this mentioned in like if the South Wold have won,
as well as other kind of like you know anthems
right that this is this is a way to motivate
people now. Obviously look like when criminals are a client
group of your party, that sort of changes things. But
it seems to me that that's a that's winning, winning
messaging there.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's kind of an intractable problem because as
we've we've discovered the other I guess it.
Speaker 3: Was a day or two ago at this point.
Speaker 2: Justice Jackson in arguments about what's what the what the
Solicitor General about long story short, technocracy in the administrative state.
She just came out and said, Hey, I think that
actually the control of the government should be in the
hands of experts, not in in the presidency or elected official.
Speaker 3: That we have to have these.
Speaker 2: This learned tribe of scholars to make all their decisions,
and like that is what judges effectively are today in
the United States. And the constitutional remedies for this would
be impeach the individual judges, which is impossible because you
need this you need a super majority in the set
and the Congress to do that. Or you could have
Congress completely eliminate the circuit of the Circuit Court, which
I which ironically would probably be easier than impeachment, but
it's also not gonna happen. So at that point there
is no legal recourse for the executive, legislative for the
people at all. I I really, without.
Speaker 3: Saying fed post these things.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you how you deal with these problems. Obviously,
the judges do not They do not care. They release
these people out to rape and murder their fellow citizens,
and they don't feel a bit sorry about it. What
can you really do to stop that?
Speaker 3: You can't. You can't really.
Speaker 2: Change the laws because it doesn't really matter what someone's
charged with if the judge bangs the gavel and releases
them without bail or they get suspend a sentence. If
you're in a blue state, which by the way, we're
about to be, we're about to become an even blue,
restate them and were before. You have absolutely no protection
from these repeat offenders. And I'm not sure what the well,
I'm sure what the solution is, but I'm not sure
realistically what's going to happen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, and to that point, I think one
of the other major institutions that has been been crumbling
is is trial by Jerry. You're probably telling the swapping screens.
I have a piece coming out soon, right. I mentioned
this example. That's why I'm pulling it up. Are you
familiar with the case of of one Gary O. Edwards
from Portland?
Speaker 3: Oh, I've heard the name? Which which which one was?
Speaker 4: He?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: So? So Gary is a homeless schizophrenic and uh he
stabbed another man incidentally, who also seems to be an
unhoused person. Uh. And unfortunately the man that he stabbed, uh,
Gregory A. Howard Junior, Uh set a gamer word while
being stabbed. You know, Okay, Uh, maybe a poor choice
of words, but you know, understandable perfs given the circumstances
of being stabbed by a schizophrenic. And uh So this
goes to trial and the jury equits the guy who
stabbed him because of the word he used, which like, look, man,
you know, I believe you should generally attempt to be polite,
but I feel like getting stabbed, you might there might
be some mitigating circumstances there, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can.
Speaker 2: You can either stab someone or you can request an
apology for them.
Speaker 3: Saying a slur. You don't get to do both. You
got to pick one or the other.
Speaker 4: Flur was after the fact, Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously the temporal distortion of racism that he
detected it in the air, the racist miasma, and.
Speaker 3: That's how I knew that he needed to need a.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh, the thing is, it's this in Portland. The
trial happened in Portland. I assume right it did. Yes,
It's not like the trial happened in Detroit, where you
can say, well, they got a jury of people who
like they are all in the same ethnic group. I
mean probably not in Portland. That jury was probably extremely Caucasian.
Speaker 3: So these are people who just are doing it for
love of the game. Yeah.
Speaker 4: As someone who's recently been to Portland, I can confirm
several things. One, the story does not surprise me in
the least any part of it, you know, the stabbing,
the result in court. But to your point, it is
like you were stepping back into a weird like mc
escher version of Newberry, right where it's like it's the
same demos, albeit expressed slightly differently. I guess we could say.
But yeah, I mean that's that's another thing, right, And
this has been a big, you know, talking point in
the UK because it's seeming that the government is just
getting rid of the system of jury trial, right. But
that was that was a social technology that depended on
you know, most people being your peers right on the
same page. And when that collapses, and you know, you
can look into the data of exactly how that is collapsed,
and along what lines all of a sudden, you can't
really count on you know, the Southerners favor jury nullification,
right to come to your rescue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the you know, the entire legal common law, legal
principles like the And this goes back to what we
were talking about with the judges before.
Speaker 3: It's the idea that.
Speaker 2: There the law is neutral. Obviously, it never it never is.
Speaker 3: Human beings are never neutral about anything.
Speaker 2: But if you have a mostly homogeneous society, then you
do have a jury of your peers. There there might
be there might be reasons good or bad where the
jury already dislikes you before you before you sit down
and they hear any evidence. But for the most part,
we expect that a judge will be impartial and a
jury will be impartial. Obviously judges are not Judges are
essentially employees of the administrative state at this point.
Speaker 3: Most of them are.
Speaker 2: Remember adherence to the progressive religion, and juries are a
rolla dice. Maybe you'll get the the jury that, oh, shoot,
the I'm going to bog bee here, the blonde guy
at the mustache in New York.
Speaker 4: Penny Daniel Penny. Yeah, maybe you get.
Speaker 3: The Daniel Penny jury.
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Speaker 4: So complete and total aside. I'll get back to this point.
I liked your use of that of that verb bog
beefed it, uh because every once in a while, Yeah,
because I'll have both you at Bog on the show
fairly often because I like talking to you. But it's
always funny to me when someone who's sort of outside
of our circle interacts with bog Beef in particular, because
they'll always leave comments. We'll be like, could you keep
this guy on track? I'm like, no, I can't. No
one can't. And that is what you sign up for,
right It's like, Okay, sure you can give it a shot.
You know, I'd like to see your you try, though.
Speaker 2: Like I think the bog Beef and I we are
we are colleagues and the at Old Boys Podcast, and
we've been.
Speaker 3: Friends for over got over twenty years at this point.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of like you remem bring in the
Star Wars movie you got you got Han Solo and Chewbacca,
and Chewbacca talks and Han Solo can understand him and
he has them to translate it. That's my role when
we're talking with the fucking with the third party. Like
the verb bog beef means to you forget the proper
now name of a person, so you just like mad
limit like who is that guy with the mustache you
see choked the guy to death on the subway, and
then you know, I need to pop in with Daniel Penny.
Speaker 4: Actually it's somewhat related. And this is the most inside
baseball thing ever, because there are about two podcasts that
I listened to religiously and it is a Good Old
Boys in Timeline Earth for very different reasons. But uh,
you guys did an episode not too long ago entirely
concerned with one of the original makers of Mortal Kombat.
I think I think was the last one. Dude, I'm
just crying laughing. I had like I had the flu
or something that week, so I was dead hack it
off the lung and I'm like crying laughing because for
those who haven't heard it, this guy is the most
hilarious Italian stereotype. You know, despite being involved in fighting games,
which is like a relatively nerdy endeavor, He's just talking
about harassing other workers, threatening to fight people if they
beat him in a video game, and all of these
like nerdy you know, modern day games journalists are just
a gas at this guy. It's great comedy. But to
return to your point about Penny, I mean, I think
another great example of this is Kyle Rittenhouse, to be
perfectly honest, if he had had anyone other than a
judge born in the nineteen forties. You know, a guy
who looks like he could run a hardware store or
something like that. I mean that kid, I think he
got married. Congratulations to Kyle Rittenhouse, but he'd be in
jail for the rest of his life if he hadn't
basically won that lottery on that judge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there have been a couple of trials that was
kind of obvious.
Speaker 3: One way or the other. Hegh was going to go
that when I thought I felt was on the bubble.
Speaker 2: And yeah, especially because uh he was was he he
was tried in wiscon Was he tried in Wisconsin or Minnesota?
Speaker 4: I'm the wrong person ask We'll go with Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't they're both. I mean, they're both part
of mort or anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're when your fates being decided by the
legal system, and.
Speaker 3: Like either one of those cursed forty eight or states,
you're you're already you're already at a huge disadvantage.
Speaker 2: He was lucky with the draw, both by the judge
and the jury. Although I mean, I would say, although,
how could you convict somebody when the guy goes on
the stand in admits he was trying to kill him?
But you know, our our attorney general in a month
is going to be a literal communist who says that
he wants to murder murder Republicans and their family members, and.
Speaker 3: He's gonna be in charge of Virginia law enforcement.
Speaker 2: So like pretty much anything is possible when it comes
to when it comes.
Speaker 3: To the Libs.
Speaker 4: Do you remember do you remember the name of the
prosecutor in the Rittin House case? It was it Dinger.
Was that his last name?
Speaker 3: It was something like that. He had like the Star
Wars tie. He was the most Yeah, the.
Speaker 4: Doubt, But I just remember there was this hilarious moment
from the trial and you could tell this guy had
never you know, held a gun in his life, because
he has you know, Kyle's you know, Bushmaster Special with
the Amazon red dot and he's wheeling around the courthouse
pointing it. The entire cherie, you know, everyone in attendance,
which I mean, let's be honest, man, I'm glad he
got off. That guy seems like a scumback, But that
was kind of a funny move. Just just a point
a weapon in the entire court room.
Speaker 2: So just just got punish her on the entire court
room popping a magazine.
Speaker 3: You would you say it went something like this, mister Rittenhouse.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well that's one of those Oh sorry, I'll
let you put it that thought.
Speaker 3: I'm just this is just like minutia about the trial.
Speaker 2: That was his trial, I heard something that I had
never heard before, which was someone successfully using the forward
assist on an AR style rifle. He actually used it
in like a combat situation. I thought they were just
basically for decoration at this point, I think anybody ever
ever used that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean there were a number of miraculous things
about that, right obviously, you know you have the quite
literally one in a million use of the forward assist,
a future I have literally never used for its intended purpose.
Right to your point, it just seems to be there
for decoration. Actually, that birth one of the funniest, and
it was one of my mutuals on Twitter. I can't
remember who posted a fake tweet right, posing as a
lefty saying, you know, this is the forward assist on
an AR fifteen. It switches it into fully semi automatic mode.
Speaker 3: You know, is a turbo button.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think it got picked up by Bloomberg
or something like that, right, the tweet shown in the article,
which is just hilarious.
Speaker 2: The other blessed aspect of this that trial is like
you're this, You're at this pro twenty twenty protests full
of lib lib tards, and you like you're shoot into
the crowd randomly, like everybody you hit is a convicted
sex offender or a wife diter, like they're always kind.
Speaker 3: Of violent, psychopathic.
Speaker 4: Felons, which you know, to go back to de Terte,
there's a conclusion you can draw. I won't spell it
out for you. Some are saying, but yeah, that was
sort of an interesting and interesting trial because I think
it also made it entirely clear, which we all knew,
right to what degree American politics is just pure team sports,
and the specific you know, variables in the case do
not matter in the slightest because you know, all of
the you know, the the lefty two AA for all people, right,
who are all you know, talking about armed minorities are
harder to oppress. It's like, well, the moment that someone
actually you know, goes after some showay say community policing,
of course this man needs to be drawn and quartered. Right,
that was the response, completely indeterminate or completely unrelated to
anything actually in the case. Right, it was pure tribal politics,
you know, in or out. And yeah, I remember very distinctly.
I was in college at the time listening to to Vousch,
which you know I did, knowing it would make me
very angry you go react to this live stream trial,
which let's be also, it was also just a weird
thing to have happened. And I don't know, man, I
realized it wasn't entirely as big as like the whole
OJ thing, but it did very much feel like the
entire nation was watching that trial happen.
Speaker 14: It.
Speaker 2: It's like with the with I'm I'm I'm old enough
to remember the OJ trial and like, yeah, that was
one purely like racial tribal everybody who wasn't just completely
like in the bag for identity politics, like knew he
was guilty. With the Rittenhouse trial, it was interesting because
I think they were having this moment where they.
Speaker 3: Were really feeling themselves.
Speaker 2: They were pretty pretty dominant culturally politically, it was gonna
gonna be the beginning of the thousand year Biden Reich, and.
Speaker 3: I kind of got the sense that there were people.
Speaker 2: Even amongst them, who were like, maybe this is going
a little bit too far, Maybe we should maybe we
should just ease up on this.
Speaker 3: You know, we're gonna we're gonna win politically.
Speaker 2: Let the kid go and we'll kind of de escalate.
And that might have been, might have been what happened.
But I mean, unfortunately, now we are in the exact
opposite situation. This is like we're like in we're in like.
Speaker 3: Twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: And things, they're they're very angry, they're they're getting they're
getting nutty. I mean, again, I'm not gonna blabor the
point about the man who's in charge of law enforcement
in our state, but he's openly fed posting in public,
and not only did the Libs in Virginia vote for him,
the quote unquote moderates voted for him too, over Jason Murez,
who's just there's no reason to dislike Jason Murez other
than he's a Republican. Things are going to get really
nasty in the near future, and I'm not sure people
are ready for They people think that normanies think they
know where normal people stand about political violence and these
kind of behaviors, but they don't.
Speaker 3: And this should have been a wake up call. If
nothing else, like.
Speaker 2: The idea that I think in it, five or ten
years ago, Jones would have resigned immediately that when that
came out. But it's a new day, and frankly, nobody
really cares about political violence in the end, and that's
the teachable lesson from this election. No one really cares.
Keep that in mind.
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He's kind of faded from relevance with Carl CASSARDA.
Speaker 3: No, not familiar with them at all.
Speaker 4: He's now turned himself into kind of a low cow.
But uh, years ago he was on He shared a
YouTube channel with Ian McCollum Forgotten Weapons Fame. Who does
he's kind of you know ten minute like many explorations
of weird guns. Right for instance today you know he
did a breakdown of you know Garrant right the of
m one Grand fame, his person his like final project
which was this crazy like pneumatically operated gun, just very professional,
just talks about it.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: Like ten years ago he had the second side project
with this guy Carl where they would do more hands
on testing. Right, This was the era of you know,
durability testing. You dump something in mud, you see hot
performs it. Kind of low intensity content. Right, fast forward
to twenty sixteen, this guy Carl goes nuts, absolutely nuts,
starts a fight with arfcom right, one of the biggest
gun forums. It's continuing to this day, Kiwi farms the
whole lot. He's a self described Satanist, you know, big
into trans women, absolute lunatic. So any of the reason
I bring this up this is relevant is Wired magazine
does an article the hard left Shooters leading a gun
culture Revolution, all about John Brown gun Club, all about
the two a for all right community, which is basically,
you know, autistic men equally interested in you know, modifying
firearms and you know show we say, or rearranging their
own bodies in somewhat similar sense. And what's interesting about
that article is not any content. It's not particularly good article,
nothing really happens in it, but the language about it
is kind of scary because the whole thing is presented
as Wow, the fascist Republicans are so scary that these
you know, innocent trans women who are just so beautiful.
The language is almost disgusting right the way talk about
these people. It's it's so over the top, you know,
it seems more out of like Sama's or you know,
like fucking Bagdad Bill or whatever. But uh point is,
the whole thing is littered with these references to you know,
the upcoming years of lead right, the idea that it
is morally justifiable for you know, trans people, minorities, any
of these sort of client groups to pick up arms
against the fascist state, just over and over and over again.
And it's it's interesting because look like Wired is a
pretty lefty but it's not like Vice or something like that,
Like they have a relatively normal readership, you know, kind
of reddity, but you know, this isn't like the most
extreme thing out there. And to see political violence explicitly
talked about in a magazine like that, I know, it
kind of took me back to your point, right, like
how off you know, how off the table do we
assume political violence is. And again, it's not a good thing.
I'm not saying this is great. I'm so excited for
that to happen, Like, far from it. I think this
is gonna get very very nasty. And it seems like
they're sort of spinning themselves up into a like a
fever pitch almost.
Speaker 3: I just the first thing that came to bad when
you described that wire arc was like.
Speaker 2: One of those inserts with the photograph with the subtitled
like Juniper swapped out she hers lower receiver.
Speaker 4: But that's pretty much what it is. Man.
Speaker 2: The thing is okay, but this is I mean, this
isn't funny because yeah, they are forming militias in the open,
and this is Donald Trump's fault, this is the DOJ's fault.
As soon as Charlie Kirk was killed, every John Brown
GluN club in the United States should have been investigated.
Arrest should have been made. Everybody who was in the
discord server with the with the transsectionual Chaser killer his
friend group, everybody should have been arrested. They should have
they should have done what happened after January sixth.
Speaker 3: They didn't do that, which says to me that they
don't know what time it is to use the mean formula.
And when you when.
Speaker 2: Your enemies are gunning up and they're saying like, hey,
it's a shame we have to do this, but we
have to get ready to kill our political opponents because
we're just so darned justified in our insane psychotic behavior,
and you're getting backed up by you know, ostensibly wired
magazines about computers and technology, like were like, why are
you why did you make this article in the first place,
But that's like it's obvious. It's like like every other magazine,
every media corporation that's not explicitly right wing, their job
is to spread progressive propaganda and spread the religion. So like,
if you don't use this the if they don't use
the state power of the state to deal with this,
which would not even be invalid, that is actually their job.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe they expect us to to, like, uh, have gunfights
in the streets with insane communist transsexuals like that, like that.
Somehow that's gonna that's supposed to be our job. Maybe
that's the view of the of this administration. I would
certainly hope not, but they kind of act that way.
It's like Rittenhouse Writtenhouse should have never been in that position.
He should never had to do that. He shouldn't have
had to shoot someone, he shouldn't have had to been
on trial, like the the the National Guard should have
been there and stop those people and some by the ATF,
the FBI. Here's a good opportunity for you to go
track down these maniacs who are arming themselves for political purposes.
Speaker 3: But they're not doing that.
Speaker 4: Well exactly. And I've been particularly frustrated with and this
is relevant, I promise, with a lot of the language
about affordability right coming out of the administration, you know,
the big man repeating twice it's a Democrat hoax, because look,
I get it, the economy is a complicated thing, but
there are a lot of other things which aren't that complicated,
like finding a group of people on a discord, or
finding a number of people who are pictured in HD
in an article saying we are politically arming ourselves to
basically shoot your constituents. It's like, well, do you're in charge?
Speaker 14: Right?
Speaker 4: You can allegedly right if we assume that we put
you there for a reason, You have access to levers
that we don't hear, you can do things that we don't.
And so look like politics is ultimately transactional, and if
you're not doing anything for me, why do you feel
entitled to my support? Like the whole reason people have
this sort of undying loyalty towards Trump, or is that
he was seen as being on their side much more
so than any other Republican in recent history, and so
he got that crazy loyalty. But if you don't hold
your under the deal up, it's.
Speaker 14: Like, well, why.
Speaker 4: Are you surprised that support is decay? Right, Like this
is a transactional relationship at base.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the very.
Speaker 2: STARTUS administration, when they were making moves every day and
the Libs are on the back foot, they like, his
popularity was higher than it normally is. I don't think
it was ever really very far above water, but that's
just to be expected in part with partisan politics today.
But they've run on esteem and now they're they're reactive
and they're falling back. They seemed to be falling back
into the typical Republican stance of well, here's what I'm
offering to you, my clients. I'm going to just not
let my enemies do the things to you that they
want to do to you, which you know, okay, protection
is part of the patron client relationship. But you can't
just offer that. You have to offer something positive because
saying like that I'm not as bad as the other guy,
that doesn't get people excited. That doesn't They're not going
to go the extra mile to work for you. They're
not going to even come out and vote for you
as you as we saw in in November of this year,
it doesn't work. And I I mean, I'm making it.
I don't know, I'm under complicating it a little bit
because obviously there's a lot of structural problems for the administration.
They don't they don't have a great control over the
permanent bureaucracy, they have obvious troubles with the judicial system.
Congress is useless because they're enough traitorous Republicans like people
like McConnell who actually want Trump to fail, that he
can't really.
Speaker 3: Rely on them.
Speaker 2: But that just means you have to double down on
executive authority, and you know, they do, like like yesterday
they put out a you know, saying that, hey, we
no longer acknowledge that disparate impact is a valid legal
concept and things like that.
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Speaker 2: That that's cool, that's good. You should have done that
months and months ago. But you know you're gonna have
to at some point flex that flex the muscle and
just straight up use executive authority in a positive way. Otherwise,
when you know, when twenty twenty eight rolls around, the
Democrats are going to are going to destroy them because
they haven't They won't have done anything for their constituents.
And I mean the economies we know inflation is gonna
Inflation is gonna be worse. The economy is probably gonna
be worse. All the problems that are here today are
aside from perhaps immigration. You know, after four years of
deportations and self deportations.
Speaker 3: It might be noticeably better.
Speaker 2: But you know, not if they replace all the Guatemalans
they deport with Indians and Pakistanis and Chinese people.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, if you have.
Speaker 2: Nothing to show at the end of three years, you're
gonna you're gonna get exactly what you what.
Speaker 3: You earned.
Speaker 4: Exactly. And you know, you know that Republicans don't understand
a trinage because of the way that they constantly attempt
to poach certain groups from the Democrats. You hear this
line over and over again. You know, the idea of
like a natural conservative or a natural Republican. Reagan infamously equipped, right,
Latinos are Republicans. They just don't know it yet. And yeah, sure,
you know, there have been some demographic changes, and we
understand that, you know, hispanic doesn't meant a whole lot,
and you know, people from certain areas, you know, vote
different ways. But also, how long has it been since
Reagan said that what has become of the country since
then on demographic level, and how do those places vote.
They have not suddenly discovered that they are natural Republicans.
Far from it, And why is it? On a certain level,
you can see the logic, right, Well, these people are Catholic.
Catholic or Catholics are generally seemingly socially conservative, so they
should align with the conservative nominally party. Well, there's a
couple things there, which is one, there's a world of
difference between socially conservative for their culture socially conservative for
your culture. And also there's the fact that they get
paid directly and indirectly not to vote for you, right.
You mentioned, you know, disparate impact. That's a huge one
affirmative action, as we mentioned in this case in you know, Portland,
you get a sort of samurai esque difference from law enforcement, right,
assuming you're in a particular area. And also there's a
huge difference between being socially conservative and being part of
the conservative movement. Those things are not correlated at all.
And so you have you know, black Americans who are
on an issue by issue basis to the right of
basically everyone when it comes to things like homosexuality, a
few other you know, kind of progressive shibbaleth. But as
we've seen in this recent election, they didn't vote for
the nominal social Conservatives. And I think a big part
of it is that conservatives one feel like they need
some sort of affirmation from those groups, like they're not
legitimate unless they have you know, the Jesse Jackson Seal
of approval. But also I think that conservatives are under
the severely mistaken, severely mistaken idea that these groups actually
want equality, they want fair treatment. No they don't. They
have a pretty good deal worked out and they get
a whole lot more than that. So, you know, as
our progressive friends are fond of reminding us, when you're
in a position of privilege, equality feels like oppression. I
guess I'll leave you to that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all excellent points. I'd say the first one
I touch on is, you know, why do the Republicans
do this?
Speaker 3: Well, mainly because the two reasons.
Speaker 2: One, everyone who's alive and not in like a nursing
home today, who like, who's still involved in politics one
way or the other is was born you know, either
after or at the very tail end of like the
Roosevelt administration. So everyone alive involved in politics, even an
old man like Donald Trump. They have been raised most
of their life within the progressive religion, and one way
or the other, there is like a veneration of a
black Americans that just it doesn't matter if it works
politically for you or not. It's just always there and
they really desperately want that approval from you know, like
just take twelve percent of the population and they don't
like you politically. It's very stupid to try to chase that.
Because funny enough, you know, Trump did make some tiny
inroads with with black men in the last election because
he was doing things for for his his clients, and
some of the brothers were like, hey, I like to
get it.
Speaker 3: I like to get in on that.
Speaker 2: Because the Democrats aren't doing a lot. They aren't doing
a lot for me anymore. It's it's, you know, they've
shifted towards some new demographic groups that they're chasing after.
But all that aside, you know, it's it's all what
you know. You are always about giving things to your friends,
and you pay for it by taking stuff, taking things
either from the general population or better yet.
Speaker 3: From your enemies.
Speaker 2: And if you're doing anything other than that, when it
comes to like the nuts and bolts of politics, you
are committing complete malpractice. And that's just what the Republicans
have always done. And the other aspect is they not
just the approval of like minority groups, but the approval
of their lib and aggressive colleagues. They want to be
able to go out and have dinner with these people.
They don't want to be they don't want to get
the Trump treatment from the media. Like you have to
be a special kind of person to accept that kind
of hatred and and not be strongly affected by it,
and most people can't do that. Second, the second thing,
if there were such a thing as natural conservatives, obviously
the you know brothers would have been voting for Republicans
for like thirty years at this fourth, thirty or forty
years at this point.
Speaker 3: But there's no such thing. It's easier to see this
in Europe.
Speaker 2: Because of the I guess, the political situation in the
migrant countries. But like, you know, a Turkish person in
Germany will vote in the Turkish election for the most
hard right fascist political party, but in Germany he supports,
you know, the Greens.
Speaker 3: Anybody who's going to give him stuff.
Speaker 2: He is politically a communist in Germany and politically a
fascist back home, and there are I mean, this is
how most people are. If you're getting money from the
United States government, it doesn't really matter what you think
deep in your heart about the tax system or whether
or not gay people should be should should be married.
You care about what they're going to do for you.
And that's universal, I think, I mean, I hope Republicans
are kind of starting to understand that, but the lure
of the lie will always be there.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, and I think that to that point, you're right,
Like England is probably the best example to hand, because
I can read their newspapers. Uh. But you have this
really bizarre alliance between effectively the far left and actual Islamicists,
people who believe in you know, Sharia law and you know,
killing animals in a bizarre way to eat them. And Uh,
on a surface, that makes no sense, right, Why would
this gay guy you know politically align himself to someone
who wishes to escort him out of a building through
alternative units? To put it that way, It doesn't make
any sense. But to your point, right, these people are
quite conservative, but for their culture, right, so they don't
seem to want, you know, gay stuff in their schools.
But if that happens to you, it is of no
concern to them, especially if they're being paid. Right, they're
getting adult they're getting a paid, they're getting patronage. And
I think perhaps the premier example of this is Rep
ilhan Omar. I'm sure you've seen the clip going around
of her talking to Somalians in Somali or she basically says,
I am a representative of your interests. My primary goals
are giving you money and ensuring that Ethiopia doesn't take
more territory from Somalia, which is you know, refreshingly honest.
Probably a little bit cynical to do it in her
native language instead of that of the country in which
she lives. Uh, But either way, right, it is she
is someone who's basically a blood and soil nationalist. But
not for you, of course, right, for you, it's communism.
For her, it's fascism, you know, for her it is
you know, full on you know, Austrian painter, your blood
and soil stuff. And uh, I think it's James Kirkpatrick, uh,
a friend of mine who said basically everyone is a
blood and soil nationalist for somewhere. I'm butchering the quote,
but we'll go ahead of for.
Speaker 2: The nation that they care about, which is yeah, and
that's I I was gonna bring that.
Speaker 3: He's got he's got a show.
Speaker 2: Now is he using his h his government name as
the brothers saying now?
Speaker 3: Or is he still no?
Speaker 14: He is?
Speaker 4: Well, it's funny actually I know him like we're friends and.
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Speaker 4: I've met him and I didn't realize he goes. He's
on his channel as Kevin Didena. That's his name. Oh
I knew him as James Kirkpatrick. It turns out he
was Greg Hood And look, I don't pay attention to
dosing just as a rule it doesn't particularly interest me.
But despite knowing the guy, I've been to his house,
I did not realize that bit of information, and so
it was sort of funny to realize that was all
one guy. But uh yeah, point is his His new
show is great. I've been on there, which is a
reason you should check it out. But uh yeah, I'll
be sure to link to it because Kevin's doing good work.
He actually also has a Twitter only forty k podcast,
which is pretty good. Iighly recommend it if you're the
you know, one of the shall we say, uh, non
neurotypical members of the audience who might be interested in that.
Speaker 2: Until dog Beef has gotten in the Warhammer with our
our friend hell Belly Ellogi has gotten him into it.
It was a you know, the gateway drug. And I
constantly getting emails from these places that sell the little,
the little I got the metal or plastic men because
we have the podcast email account.
Speaker 3: So I'm just next time.
Speaker 2: Hey, there's a new Ultramarine set out only five hundred
and fifty dollars.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: If Warhammer is extremely popular on the right for obvious reasons,
it's probably one of the last bastions of.
Speaker 4: Oh dude, it's it's they're trying to to pause it
so hard. I've actually been like pretty successfully getting myself
out of forty k as a deliberate strategy. It's really
I said about this like two years ago because I
realized that they control you through these properties, like they
drag you around by the nose to basically fund their
stuff and their guys. And I sort of realized, I
was like, you know what, like if I do this,
if I buy their stuff, they got me, you know,
in some small way, and they make me care because
then I get upset when their stuff is in it.
And if I just you know, emotionally divorce, if I
take the clearer pill right to crib for jard it
it's clean. But yeah, man, it's actually funny. I was.
I was dming back with Bugby about this. I was
actually a commissioned painter in college, so I used to
do like people's armies and stuff like that. It was
a ton of fun. And the core message, especially the
older stuff of that franchise, is actually really fascinating. It's
a deeply, deeply reactionary setting where it's basically like the
world is dying, the evil is real, and at a
moment's notice, if you let degeneracy slide, hell will appear
wherever you are and kill you to death with like,
you know, the most horrific things possible. So therefore the
only way to resist it is you know, national socialism
in space, which is a incredibly reactionary message and literally
like that is the underlying thesis of that. They've ben
try to get away from it, but it is as
it's no shock that so many of our guys are
into it.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Anything about it, but I I saw the you know,
the deem like there are different demon armies and the
one is like the weird transsexual pervert army and the
other yeah literally, the big fat, disgusting diseased army. Is
like that is such a perfect I get. If you
were trying to set up you know, sides in a
way that would explain modernity of people like you, you
could do a lot worse than those two particular archetypes
of entrophed.
Speaker 4: No, I mean to that point, and not to get
too much into forty K lore, which I realize is
is uh effectively uh non hormonal birth control, but uh
quite literally, the there is space elves got up to
so much gay activities that it birthed a new god.
It was quite literally that they were so degenerate that
it created like basically like a second Satan who was
purely devoted sexual degeneracy. So literally, if you are too gay,
you will create like a rape demon effectively your.
Speaker 2: Goon so hard you rip a hole in the space
time continuum and crease.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly that.
Speaker 3: Hey, look that's directionally true.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Basically, it's a world where where gooting is a
national security risk, and they'll just nuke the planet if
your your goon cave grows too big.
Speaker 3: That's the only way to be shooting.
Speaker 4: Which going back to do Territe, there's an argument to
be made. You know, maybe maybe Charlie Kirk would still
be around if we were sending predator drones to uh
the goon caves.
Speaker 2: If yeah, if the twenty per centuries tell us anything,
it's the idea that like, well what could it hurt
is the dumbest possible position to hold.
Speaker 3: Because like we just want we've we just watched it over.
Speaker 2: I saw today someone they did a poll that like
now young young men are for the first time against
sports betting. It's like, well yeah, because you the idea
abstractly of sports betting seemed okay ten years ago. Now
your fucking friends are all, you know, going broke on
parlays and people were fixing NFL.
Speaker 3: Games and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, we see the problem.
Speaker 2: What was the problem. What happens if we let them
get married? Well we saw what we saw, Abe got married.
They're about to about to create a black hole and
suck us all into the into the hell razor dimension.
Speaker 4: Well, really, if the slippery slope is not a fallacy.
It is the undefeated heavyweight champion of the twenty first
cent or the twentieth century, right, it just undefeated alleged fallacy.
But I mean to that point, dude, like, look like,
I'm sure you remember when they legalized skill games in
our state. And now it's like anytime I go to
a gas station, it's like someone's grandma spending her rent
money to like spin a pirate themed you know, digital
slot machine. And it's like, look, man, like, I'm not
a big proponent of banning things, like it's just not
in my character. It's not really in you know, our
culture broadly speaking, right, but like I see that, I'm like,
all right, make that go away. That lady is her.
She is living a miserable life because we thought it
would add some fraction to the GDP to let people
put casinos in gas stations. And it's like, I it's
to fix everything. Switch right, It's like we're drowning at
a bathtub.
Speaker 3: We can just say no.
Speaker 4: And look like, gambling has always existed. People have always
made bad decisions, But there's a world of difference between
like your skiedee uncle, you know, going to a greyhound
track and like, you know, going to a seven to
eleven at three in the morning and seeing someone's grandma,
you know, just swipe for hours on end. I don't know, man, the.
Speaker 2: Separation was necessary, the fact that you had to go,
you know, you'd have to drive all the way to Charlestown, which.
Speaker 3: I did many times. And I'm not really a gambler,
but you know, oh, we're going, and we're gonna.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be an event because we're at the race
track and there's all this stuff happening.
Speaker 3: But now it's like.
Speaker 2: Every foreigner who owns the seven to eleven has his
own little gay ass casino in the back corner.
Speaker 3: And like, my most hon Rocky, my most right.
Speaker 2: Wing opinion about anything is like, if I was the
dictator of the United States, I would burn down every
headshop and I would destroy all these video poker machines
like stuff like that.
Speaker 3: I would get rid.
Speaker 2: Of it day one because it's it's just it's obviously bad.
Put that stuff back into the back alleys, put it
in the red light district, get it away from from public.
From the public. It'll everybody will be happier. The people
who like devices. They'll enjoy it more too, because it'll
be it'll be cooler for them. Nothing's cool about the
video poker machine. Gambling might be cool, but that is
not cool. That is the lamest, saddest thing on the planet.
Speaker 4: Well, look, man like, there's a there's a world of difference. Uh.
For instance, right, Uh, every year the big horse race
at James Madison's house out in Orange County, and it's
a it's fun, right, It's basically like a country club talladega.
You know, everyone shows up, you wear fantasy clothes, you
get smashed, and you bet on horses that you know
nothing about. Right, But that's once a year and it's
an event, right, you go there to do that. It's
sort of a Saturnalia esque affair. It is not everywhere
all at once. Like literally you pick up your phone,
you know, you open an app and you can bet
the most degenerate like multi leg parlay as possible or alternately,
right as regards substances, it's not like you're getting you know,
Jay's you know uber eats to your house. And again,
man like, I'm not some kind of high handed, you know,
pearl clutching conservative. You know this shouldn't be allowed, you know,
the kind of stereotype of the nineteen twenties ten Prince movement,
like generally just my my characters to be pretty liberal
on something like that. But to your point, right, it's
like these head shops appear every where and it just
it drags everything down. You know, now everywhere is a
CD back alley. You know, at least if it was
strained in one place, you could avoid it. But now
it's like I can't go to a store without its smelling,
you know, stinking, like we are watching, you know, someone
gamble their life away and I don't know, man, to
your point like that is, I think my most reactionary
moments are right then, particularly as you've mentioned, when it
is shaw we say, a new arrival running the store,
where you're just like what anyway, I probably shouldn't finish
that thought.
Speaker 2: Every square inch of the country has to be a casino.
It has to be a headshop. Sorry to Opium den.
It has to be a homeless shelter. Every single square
patch of dirt has to be just cram full of
the creatures of scale, Like yes, this is I mean,
if I don't know, is there a warhammer army of
just like overpopulated, disgusting goblin creatures, because like that, that's
the end boss of progressivism, because like they worked, they
they love, they love scale so dearly that it's just
like Matt Iglaciers is probably the most perfect example, because
he would be happy if you had everyone, like every
person on planet Earth stacked like cord Wood in the
in the continental United States.
Speaker 3: Like that that's his dream, his dream world.
Speaker 2: And I don't I don't know how you deal with
these people, but I have I have some thoughts about it.
Speaker 4: Uh look, I did I hear there's a former a
former leader of the Philippines who's in need of a job,
assuming he can get work released from prison. I guess.
But Mark, dude, it was a ton of fun to
have you on. I have to wrap up. But where
can people find you? Man?
Speaker 3: So what?
Speaker 2: We have a show on Patreon It's Good Old Boys
with a Z G O d O L B O
y Z. We also stream on kick on Tuesdays and
on Friday, so you can catch us in either of
those places. And when are you coming on the show
to speak with both of us?
Speaker 3: Come on again.
Speaker 4: We had a good time last time, literally anytime you want.
I'm a professional podcaster, which means that I have quite
literally nothing better to do. But I realized, you know,
you guys are doing well on kick, but I think
you guys are going about it all wrong. You're you're
doing a show, You're doing it more making it better.
You need to really lean into the IRL streaming and
just start harassing people in public or conceivably, as we've
seen with Raja Jackson, just commit a major felony on
stream for donations. So I don't know what you guys
are up to, but maybe if you could just find
someone and beat them half to death or harass them,
it might be good for the brand. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Just a prank, bro, just a prank.
Speaker 4: Put the gun down. That one kid who got shot
for harassing a pizza delivery guy that was in Nova.
I think I can't remember where it was. It was
close to us. But uh, that's one of those just
like perfect like instant karma, Like you can imagine it
on you like your grandpa's Facebook feed, you know, the
like f a FO compilations. I know, it's just a
perfect moment.
Speaker 3: I know how I would have voted on that jury.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and a territory esque fashion what I mark It
was a great avidy man. As far as my stuff,
Jay Burden Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube, anywhere you listen to podcasts,
you throw me a few bucks. Get the episodes early
and ad free. Check out Good Old Boys. Mark is
great speaking with you everyone at home. Keep your head up.
I can't last forever.
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