Speaker 1: Mark Levin returns to the fifty five Cassey Morning Show
Speaker 1: and nationally syndicated talk radio show host The Mark Levin Show,
Speaker 1: host of Levin TV on the Blaze, host of the
Speaker 1: Fox News Channel's Life Liberty and Levin cher Emeritis of
Speaker 1: the Landmark Legal Foundation, author of Let's Count Them Eight,
Speaker 1: consecutive number one New York Times Best Tellers, Let's Call
Speaker 1: It nine. Now with the new book on Power, Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the fifty five Cassee Morning Show. Always a pleasure,
Speaker 1: Mark Levin.
Speaker 2: Brian, I love that interview. I'm calling again tomorrow.
Speaker 1: An anytime, my friend. I listen to you all the time,
Speaker 1: your Sunday show coming in. I have serious XM and
Speaker 1: I listened to Fox News on the way and love
Speaker 1: what you have to say. I appreciate your perspective and commentary. Now,
Speaker 1: in your book on Power, you discussed the concept of
Speaker 1: power extensively. That's the point of the book. How do
Speaker 1: you differentiate between legitimate political power and its abuse? You
Speaker 1: know you talk about the concept of positive power and
Speaker 1: negative power.
Speaker 2: Well, those are that's a great, great question. The book
Speaker 2: takes the word power and takes a very close look
Speaker 2: at it. Because I realized the battle in society and
Speaker 2: the culture and government in humanity is over power. I
Speaker 2: mean even in our personal lives psychologically in some cases,
Speaker 2: which is not where I go, but certainly when it
Speaker 2: comes to governance and the Constitution is about power. The
Speaker 2: Declaration of Independence lays out what I call positive power,
Speaker 2: and then then there's the negative power. Positive power is
Speaker 2: for example, in our country, it's the most unique country
Speaker 2: ever established ever. And why because this is a country
Speaker 2: that's based on the belief that God a sovereign Judeo
Speaker 2: Christian belief systems fused with the Enlightenment, that is, we
Speaker 2: are the sovereign God's children. Now, how do we manifest
Speaker 2: that on earth? And the Enlightenment tells us how power
Speaker 2: backing power, that's one of the main elements that came
Speaker 2: out of the Enlightenment. Why against the monarchies, dictatorships, that
Speaker 2: sort of thing, right, But look at the Marxists and
Speaker 2: the Islamis and others. The negative power, what are they
Speaker 2: all about? The centralization of power that people aren't the
Speaker 2: sovereign and the ruling classes to solve well.
Speaker 1: And that's the resulting in concentration of power in Washington.
Speaker 1: And I guess you know as a lawyer, I always
Speaker 1: go back to this distorted Washington all powerful. We live
Speaker 1: in a republic. We have a tenth Amendment as well
Speaker 1: as a ninth Amendment, but we also have Wickered versus Philburn,
Speaker 1: which extended this regulatory arm against every aspect of our lives.
Speaker 1: That's the problem right there. The court used as a
Speaker 1: mechanism to get engaged in every element of our lives.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a particularly devious decision where basically you
Speaker 2: have a whed farmer, so the public knows who is
Speaker 2: growing wheat on his own land, and they still claimed
Speaker 2: it was interstate commerce capable of being regulated because if
Speaker 2: he didn't sell the wheat into interstate commerce, it would
Speaker 2: affect interstate commerce. So it's one of the most atrocious
Speaker 2: decisions ever. And you're right, it laid the foundation for
Speaker 2: economic socialism and endless government intervention. So on power, I
Speaker 2: just decide, you know, you can't have liberty without rights,
Speaker 2: and you can't have rights without power. And there's certain
Speaker 2: kinds of power that are good and certain kinds of
Speaker 2: power that are bad. And the struggle we're having now
Speaker 2: basically those of us who are not in the Democrat Party,
Speaker 2: the struggle we're having now with the Democrat Party and others.
Speaker 2: By the way, is this issue over power. They want
Speaker 2: centralized power. You talk about record versus soburn. This is
Speaker 2: about a massive fourth branch of government, a bureaucracy. We
Speaker 2: want to elected judges who aren't even in the constitution.
Speaker 2: And what does that mean. We're supposed to be a
Speaker 2: government of consensus, a government of representative government. So when
Speaker 2: you have a bureaucracy, it doesn't represent the people. When
Speaker 2: you want to elected judges, they don't represent the people either.
Speaker 2: They rule, but the role is really outsized in terms
Speaker 2: of what they do. So I break this down, I
Speaker 2: look at this issue of power. I don't think we
Speaker 2: as conservatives, or let me say this, non leftists really
Speaker 2: think about this enough. This is all they think about.
Speaker 2: They're obsessed with it.
Speaker 1: Okay, and you talk about you don't necessarily go to
Speaker 1: the psychological reality. But as you're talking, and this is
Speaker 1: something that I struggle with all the time, Mark, I
Speaker 1: consider myself a little el libertarian. I remember the Libertarian Party.
Speaker 1: But I trust you with your wallet and new zipper.
Speaker 1: I don't want to take anything from you. When I'm
Speaker 1: done fixing me, maybe I'll come after you, but that
Speaker 1: day's never gonna come. I don't understand. Maybe it's a
Speaker 1: psychological problem they have. Why do they want to control
Speaker 1: all of our lives? Why does Zohan Mundami want to
Speaker 1: you know, regulate you know, the price of how literally
Speaker 1: the price of everything, micro manage everything. I don't get
Speaker 1: where that need for power and control comes from, which
Speaker 1: is maybe why I don't get the direction we're going,
Speaker 1: because people tend to roll over and just allow it
Speaker 1: to happen to them.
Speaker 2: Well, if you look at history, and even if you
Speaker 2: look around the world today, that is the rule. The
Speaker 2: dark side of humanity, the reason why the Enlightenment was
Speaker 2: so important, and the radical Islamis never went through the Enlightenment.
Speaker 2: They're stuck in the primitive seventh century and the Marxists
Speaker 2: reject the Enlightenment. It's the darker side of humanity. I mean,
Speaker 2: men and women are imperfect, and so the whole reason
Speaker 2: the Enlightenment is important, again fused with the Judeo Christian values,
Speaker 2: is to get us past that. It is to embrace
Speaker 2: the brighter side of humanity, to nurture the brighter side
Speaker 2: of humanity, and so forth versus this darker side. And
Speaker 2: you ask why, because people can be evil, because people
Speaker 2: can be greedy, They want power, because people like to
Speaker 2: lord over other people. We've got the millions of people
Speaker 2: who've been murdered in this world as a result of
Speaker 2: Marxism and Islamism, that the result of Judeo Christian values
Speaker 2: and the Enlightenment. And so you set up a government
Speaker 2: that protects us from evil, whether it's mob, whether it's
Speaker 2: centralized government. And so where this is why our constitution
Speaker 2: is so brilliant and it's so important. Even Scalia said,
Speaker 2: what's the key to our constitution? Separation? Powers? What did
Speaker 2: Montesquieu say, the most important philosopher during our constitutional period?
Speaker 2: Power checks power? What did even Aristotle say? Power needs
Speaker 2: to check out? And let me ask you this is
Speaker 2: that the way Mandami thinks, is that the way the
Speaker 2: Marxists think, is that the way Bernie Sanders thinks. Did
Speaker 2: the Democrats think? No, this constant government program, government, taxation,
Speaker 2: government regulation, government redistribution. Their views, their beliefs are simply
Speaker 2: incompatible with the founding. And so I let it all
Speaker 2: out in the.
Speaker 1: Book The Book on Power. On my guest today, Mark Levin, Well,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this in terms of reforms, as
Speaker 1: you were saying that enlightened smart, critical thinking, logical, reasonable,
Speaker 1: well educated people could see through this, they would see
Speaker 1: through the lives, they would recognizing the efforts of this
Speaker 1: negative power and rejected out of hand. Do you think
Speaker 1: our education system is to blame for creating a generation
Speaker 1: or two or three of useful idiots that are just
Speaker 1: too uneducated to see through this, this this overreach and
Speaker 1: this abuse of our civil rights and liberties.
Speaker 2: I think just a lot of that. There's no question
Speaker 2: about it that these people have conquered the culture, whether
Speaker 2: it's the media, whether it's academia, whether it's Hollywood and
Speaker 2: so forth. We're on the outs there, on the ends.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any question about that. But we
Speaker 2: also have the problem where people actually vote for tyranny.
Speaker 2: People like free beasts. People don't want to give up
Speaker 2: what they have, but they want to take something that
Speaker 2: somebody else has. And again, this is a darker side
Speaker 2: of humanity, and the Marxists play right into that. And
Speaker 2: also they plan to the fact that human beings are imperfect,
Speaker 2: and so they compare something the imperfection of society with
Speaker 2: their promises and what I say, is no, you got
Speaker 2: to compare something to something because you know they'll say
Speaker 2: you're hungry. I'll make it affordable. You can't, you can't
Speaker 2: get a house. I'll make it. Excuse me, excuse mean,
Speaker 2: let's come back down to earth and let's actually deal
Speaker 2: with what it is that you're proposing.
Speaker 1: Well, that someone can run as a socialist and actually
Speaker 1: get traction in New York and Mondamia is an illustration, Yes, true, true,
Speaker 1: no argument there, Bernie Sanders, Okay, I guess there was
Speaker 1: a period of time, you know, in my lifetime. I
Speaker 1: mean that nobody would touch you with a ten foot
Speaker 1: pole if you set out loud. I am a socialist
Speaker 1: or Marxist or communists. But we've changed the society and
Speaker 1: or perception over the years. We don't study the mistakes
Speaker 1: of the past. No one's looking at where these experiments
Speaker 1: have have have been held. Like we had a moral
Speaker 1: barometer when I was going up to Soviet Union. It
Speaker 1: was freedom and capitalism versus breadlines. It was a perfect
Speaker 1: point to make. Look, you want to be a commie,
Speaker 1: you see how terrible things are there. But we lost
Speaker 1: that when the wall came down, and since then I
Speaker 1: feel like we've lost our way.
Speaker 2: Mark. You make a great point. A lot of the
Speaker 2: younger people today have no first hand onledge about what
Speaker 2: took place. I mean, the Holocaust is just a distant thing,
Speaker 2: and they throw around the word Hitler in the Holocaust
Speaker 2: or the Soviet Union. They don't know a thing about this,
Speaker 2: even nine to eleven, who hit us on nine to eleven?
Speaker 2: The Islamist Okay, they don't. They weren't alive. Then they
Speaker 2: don't think about that. And so this is a problem.
Speaker 2: And that's why I feel like outside of the educational system,
Speaker 2: we have to fight back. We still have free speech.
Speaker 2: That's why I write these books. That's why you and
Speaker 2: I are on the air trying to reach as many
Speaker 2: people as we can with American ideals in the belief system,
Speaker 2: trying to teach history, trying to explain these things because
Speaker 2: they're not getting it in the school. They have no
Speaker 2: context for this. But you know, we as parents and grandparents,
Speaker 2: we have a responsibility too. You don't just send your
Speaker 2: kids off the school and hope for the best. Certainly not. Now.
Speaker 2: You got to take them under your wing. You got
Speaker 2: to educate them, have them read certain things, or at
Speaker 2: least listen to certain things. That is our responsibility, and
Speaker 2: I'm hoping these books, this one in particular, will help
Speaker 2: in that regard.
Speaker 1: I'm certain it will, and I'll encourage my listeners to
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Speaker 1: of Mark ar Levin's new book on Power. Please read it.
Speaker 1: Wonderful and inspiring book. Mark Levin, you always are thank
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