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<v Speaker 1>Mark Levin returns to the fifty five Cassey Morning Show

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<v Speaker 1>and nationally syndicated talk radio show host The Mark Levin Show,

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<v Speaker 1>host of Levin TV on the Blaze, host of the

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<v Speaker 1>Fox News Channel's Life Liberty and Levin cher Emeritis of

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<v Speaker 1>the Landmark Legal Foundation, author of Let's Count Them Eight,

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<v Speaker 1>consecutive number one New York Times Best Tellers, Let's Call

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<v Speaker 1>It nine. Now with the new book on Power, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the fifty five Cassee Morning Show. Always a pleasure,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Levin.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian, I love that interview. I'm calling again tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>An anytime, my friend. I listen to you all the time,

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<v Speaker 1>your Sunday show coming in. I have serious XM and

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<v Speaker 1>I listened to Fox News on the way and love

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<v Speaker 1>what you have to say. I appreciate your perspective and commentary. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>in your book on Power, you discussed the concept of

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<v Speaker 1>power extensively. That's the point of the book. How do

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<v Speaker 1>you differentiate between legitimate political power and its abuse? You

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<v Speaker 1>know you talk about the concept of positive power and

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<v Speaker 1>negative power.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, those are that's a great, great question. The book

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<v Speaker 2>takes the word power and takes a very close look

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<v Speaker 2>at it. Because I realized the battle in society and

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<v Speaker 2>the culture and government in humanity is over power. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean even in our personal lives psychologically in some cases,

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<v Speaker 2>which is not where I go, but certainly when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to governance and the Constitution is about power. The

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<v Speaker 2>Declaration of Independence lays out what I call positive power,

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<v Speaker 2>and then then there's the negative power. Positive power is

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<v Speaker 2>for example, in our country, it's the most unique country

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<v Speaker 2>ever established ever. And why because this is a country

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<v Speaker 2>that's based on the belief that God a sovereign Judeo

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<v Speaker 2>Christian belief systems fused with the Enlightenment, that is, we

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<v Speaker 2>are the sovereign God's children. Now, how do we manifest

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<v Speaker 2>that on earth? And the Enlightenment tells us how power

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<v Speaker 2>backing power, that's one of the main elements that came

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<v Speaker 2>out of the Enlightenment. Why against the monarchies, dictatorships, that

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<v Speaker 2>sort of thing, right, But look at the Marxists and

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<v Speaker 2>the Islamis and others. The negative power, what are they

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<v Speaker 2>all about? The centralization of power that people aren't the

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<v Speaker 2>sovereign and the ruling classes to solve well.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's the resulting in concentration of power in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>And I guess you know as a lawyer, I always

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<v Speaker 1>go back to this distorted Washington all powerful. We live

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<v Speaker 1>in a republic. We have a tenth Amendment as well

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<v Speaker 1>as a ninth Amendment, but we also have Wickered versus Philburn,

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<v Speaker 1>which extended this regulatory arm against every aspect of our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the problem right there. The court used as a

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<v Speaker 1>mechanism to get engaged in every element of our lives.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that is a particularly devious decision where basically you

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<v Speaker 2>have a whed farmer, so the public knows who is

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<v Speaker 2>growing wheat on his own land, and they still claimed

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<v Speaker 2>it was interstate commerce capable of being regulated because if

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't sell the wheat into interstate commerce, it would

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<v Speaker 2>affect interstate commerce. So it's one of the most atrocious

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<v Speaker 2>decisions ever. And you're right, it laid the foundation for

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<v Speaker 2>economic socialism and endless government intervention. So on power, I

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<v Speaker 2>just decide, you know, you can't have liberty without rights,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can't have rights without power. And there's certain

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of power that are good and certain kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>power that are bad. And the struggle we're having now

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<v Speaker 2>basically those of us who are not in the Democrat Party,

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<v Speaker 2>the struggle we're having now with the Democrat Party and others.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, is this issue over power. They want

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<v Speaker 2>centralized power. You talk about record versus soburn. This is

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<v Speaker 2>about a massive fourth branch of government, a bureaucracy. We

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<v Speaker 2>want to elected judges who aren't even in the constitution.

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<v Speaker 2>And what does that mean. We're supposed to be a

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<v Speaker 2>government of consensus, a government of representative government. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you have a bureaucracy, it doesn't represent the people. When

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<v Speaker 2>you want to elected judges, they don't represent the people either.

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<v Speaker 2>They rule, but the role is really outsized in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of what they do. So I break this down, I

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<v Speaker 2>look at this issue of power. I don't think we

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<v Speaker 2>as conservatives, or let me say this, non leftists really

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<v Speaker 2>think about this enough. This is all they think about.

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<v Speaker 2>They're obsessed with it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, and you talk about you don't necessarily go to

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<v Speaker 1>the psychological reality. But as you're talking, and this is

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<v Speaker 1>something that I struggle with all the time, Mark, I

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<v Speaker 1>consider myself a little el libertarian. I remember the Libertarian Party.

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<v Speaker 1>But I trust you with your wallet and new zipper.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to take anything from you. When I'm

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<v Speaker 1>done fixing me, maybe I'll come after you, but that

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<v Speaker 1>day's never gonna come. I don't understand. Maybe it's a

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<v Speaker 1>psychological problem they have. Why do they want to control

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<v Speaker 1>all of our lives? Why does Zohan Mundami want to

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<v Speaker 1>you know, regulate you know, the price of how literally

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<v Speaker 1>the price of everything, micro manage everything. I don't get

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<v Speaker 1>where that need for power and control comes from, which

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<v Speaker 1>is maybe why I don't get the direction we're going,

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<v Speaker 1>because people tend to roll over and just allow it

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<v Speaker 1>to happen to them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, if you look at history, and even if you

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<v Speaker 2>look around the world today, that is the rule. The

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<v Speaker 2>dark side of humanity, the reason why the Enlightenment was

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<v Speaker 2>so important, and the radical Islamis never went through the Enlightenment.

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<v Speaker 2>They're stuck in the primitive seventh century and the Marxists

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<v Speaker 2>reject the Enlightenment. It's the darker side of humanity. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>men and women are imperfect, and so the whole reason

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<v Speaker 2>the Enlightenment is important, again fused with the Judeo Christian values,

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<v Speaker 2>is to get us past that. It is to embrace

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<v Speaker 2>the brighter side of humanity, to nurture the brighter side

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<v Speaker 2>of humanity, and so forth versus this darker side. And

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<v Speaker 2>you ask why, because people can be evil, because people

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<v Speaker 2>can be greedy, They want power, because people like to

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<v Speaker 2>lord over other people. We've got the millions of people

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<v Speaker 2>who've been murdered in this world as a result of

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<v Speaker 2>Marxism and Islamism, that the result of Judeo Christian values

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<v Speaker 2>and the Enlightenment. And so you set up a government

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<v Speaker 2>that protects us from evil, whether it's mob, whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>centralized government. And so where this is why our constitution

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<v Speaker 2>is so brilliant and it's so important. Even Scalia said,

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<v Speaker 2>what's the key to our constitution? Separation? Powers? What did

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<v Speaker 2>Montesquieu say, the most important philosopher during our constitutional period?

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<v Speaker 2>Power checks power? What did even Aristotle say? Power needs

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<v Speaker 2>to check out? And let me ask you this is

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<v Speaker 2>that the way Mandami thinks, is that the way the

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<v Speaker 2>Marxists think, is that the way Bernie Sanders thinks. Did

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats think? No, this constant government program, government, taxation,

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<v Speaker 2>government regulation, government redistribution. Their views, their beliefs are simply

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<v Speaker 2>incompatible with the founding. And so I let it all

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<v Speaker 2>out in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Book The Book on Power. On my guest today, Mark Levin, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me ask you this in terms of reforms, as

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<v Speaker 1>you were saying that enlightened smart, critical thinking, logical, reasonable,

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<v Speaker 1>well educated people could see through this, they would see

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<v Speaker 1>through the lives, they would recognizing the efforts of this

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<v Speaker 1>negative power and rejected out of hand. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>our education system is to blame for creating a generation

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<v Speaker 1>or two or three of useful idiots that are just

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<v Speaker 1>too uneducated to see through this, this this overreach and

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<v Speaker 1>this abuse of our civil rights and liberties.

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<v Speaker 2>I think just a lot of that. There's no question

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<v Speaker 2>about it that these people have conquered the culture, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's the media, whether it's academia, whether it's Hollywood and

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<v Speaker 2>so forth. We're on the outs there, on the ends.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there's any question about that. But we

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<v Speaker 2>also have the problem where people actually vote for tyranny.

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<v Speaker 2>People like free beasts. People don't want to give up

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<v Speaker 2>what they have, but they want to take something that

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<v Speaker 2>somebody else has. And again, this is a darker side

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<v Speaker 2>of humanity, and the Marxists play right into that. And

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<v Speaker 2>also they plan to the fact that human beings are imperfect,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they compare something the imperfection of society with

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<v Speaker 2>their promises and what I say, is no, you got

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<v Speaker 2>to compare something to something because you know they'll say

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<v Speaker 2>you're hungry. I'll make it affordable. You can't, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>get a house. I'll make it. Excuse me, excuse mean,

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<v Speaker 2>let's come back down to earth and let's actually deal

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<v Speaker 2>with what it is that you're proposing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that someone can run as a socialist and actually

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<v Speaker 1>get traction in New York and Mondamia is an illustration, Yes, true, true,

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<v Speaker 1>no argument there, Bernie Sanders, Okay, I guess there was

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<v Speaker 1>a period of time, you know, in my lifetime. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that nobody would touch you with a ten foot

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<v Speaker 1>pole if you set out loud. I am a socialist

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<v Speaker 1>or Marxist or communists. But we've changed the society and

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<v Speaker 1>or perception over the years. We don't study the mistakes

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<v Speaker 1>of the past. No one's looking at where these experiments

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<v Speaker 1>have have have been held. Like we had a moral

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<v Speaker 1>barometer when I was going up to Soviet Union. It

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<v Speaker 1>was freedom and capitalism versus breadlines. It was a perfect

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<v Speaker 1>point to make. Look, you want to be a commie,

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<v Speaker 1>you see how terrible things are there. But we lost

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<v Speaker 1>that when the wall came down, and since then I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we've lost our way.

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<v Speaker 2>Mark. You make a great point. A lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>younger people today have no first hand onledge about what

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<v Speaker 2>took place. I mean, the Holocaust is just a distant thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and they throw around the word Hitler in the Holocaust

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<v Speaker 2>or the Soviet Union. They don't know a thing about this,

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<v Speaker 2>even nine to eleven, who hit us on nine to eleven?

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<v Speaker 2>The Islamist Okay, they don't. They weren't alive. Then they

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<v Speaker 2>don't think about that. And so this is a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why I feel like outside of the educational system,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to fight back. We still have free speech.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I write these books. That's why you and

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<v Speaker 2>I are on the air trying to reach as many

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<v Speaker 2>people as we can with American ideals in the belief system,

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<v Speaker 2>trying to teach history, trying to explain these things because

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<v Speaker 2>they're not getting it in the school. They have no

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<v Speaker 2>context for this. But you know, we as parents and grandparents,

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<v Speaker 2>we have a responsibility too. You don't just send your

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<v Speaker 2>kids off the school and hope for the best. Certainly not. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>You got to take them under your wing. You got

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<v Speaker 2>to educate them, have them read certain things, or at

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<v Speaker 2>least listen to certain things. That is our responsibility, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping these books, this one in particular, will help

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<v Speaker 2>in that regard.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm certain it will, and I'll encourage my listeners to

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<v Speaker 1>go to fifty five krs dot com and my blog

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<v Speaker 1>and podcast page where they can easily get a copy

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<v Speaker 1>of Mark ar Levin's new book on Power. Please read it.

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<v Speaker 1>Wonderful and inspiring book. Mark Levin, you always are thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for what you do each and every day, and

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<v Speaker 1>you always have an open spot here on the fifty

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