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<v Speaker 1>Hey, everybody, and welcome back to the nonprofits. That turns

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<v Speaker 1>out there haven't been any new reported cases of avian

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<v Speaker 1>flu in the last four months. Kelly, can you tell

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<v Speaker 1>us more about why that is?

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<v Speaker 2>Well? E KnowI there might actually be a big reason

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<v Speaker 2>for that, because since the occurrent administration has taken over

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<v Speaker 2>leadership of the government and cut funding to the Center

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<v Speaker 2>for Disease Control and Prevention commonly known as the CDC,

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<v Speaker 2>their communication network that warns Americans about health hazards and

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<v Speaker 2>disease outbreaks has apparently been shut down. They normally dispersed daily, weekly,

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<v Speaker 2>and quarterly bulletins, and the CDC communication staff was responsible

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<v Speaker 2>for keeping the health of Americans safe through alerts about

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<v Speaker 2>disease outbreaks, but no communications have been issued since last March.

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<v Speaker 2>In the meantime, the country has experienced outbreaks of measles, salmonella, listeria,

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<v Speaker 2>and hepatitis all over the country. Now. Former and current

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<v Speaker 2>CDC employees say this lack of communication is actually putting

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<v Speaker 2>American lives at risk and needs to be rectified immediately.

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<v Speaker 2>But it seems as though, at least right now, we

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<v Speaker 2>have no way to tell if there's an epidemic breaking out.

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<v Speaker 2>This story was broke from the MP by the MPR

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<v Speaker 2>by Elijah Nuvolage on May twenty first, twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>What an amazing first name that that person has, So, Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned this in your intro, so I want to

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<v Speaker 1>ask you the first thing that I thought of when

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this was like, oh, this was budget cuts.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, this was certainly the doing of DOGE in the

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<v Speaker 1>Department Government Efficiency, which actually, by some analyses has actually

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<v Speaker 1>cost the taxpayers upwards of one hundred billion, which means

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<v Speaker 1>it costs about like five to seven percent of what

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<v Speaker 1>it was promising to save. So my point being expand

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<v Speaker 1>on this part of your opening thoughts, if you care to,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you think those budget cuts play into this?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, actually, I'm pretty sure they have cut into a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of it. Dave obviously affected more than the CDC,

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<v Speaker 2>and looking at some of the recent polling, it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like there might be a little Pire's remorse going on

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<v Speaker 2>for it. As you mentioned, it has cost us a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of money in the costs that were accrued because

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<v Speaker 2>of the budget cuts, and there's also we're building up

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<v Speaker 2>legal costs too because of these challenges to some of

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<v Speaker 2>these cuts. So it's been really uh, it's been a

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<v Speaker 2>big effect on many, many different assets of aspects of

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<v Speaker 2>the government. Sorry'm a little tongue tied. Now, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a very important part of our government, the CDC, no

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<v Speaker 2>matter what all you conspiracy there is say, this is

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<v Speaker 2>our first line of defense against any modern plague. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if the youbotic plague starts tomorrow, we're not going to know.

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<v Speaker 2>And it seems like they we've been cut up. They

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<v Speaker 2>they've completely been cut off for warning us about it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I know a lot of the cuts were

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<v Speaker 2>because of some of the leadership. Also, you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>was done with a scalpel, as I mentioned before we

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<v Speaker 2>started the show, and you like, I'm gonna let you

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<v Speaker 2>say what you thought it was. I was saying it

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<v Speaker 2>was more like chainsaw, like the normal thing. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I used to joke that the brain weren't

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<v Speaker 2>starved with that, but now I'm not so sure it

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<v Speaker 2>was really a joke, honestly.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, it's it's I agree with you. It's

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<v Speaker 1>one of those things where the importance of these warning systems,

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<v Speaker 1>these newsletters they were sending out on a daily, weekly,

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<v Speaker 1>monthly basis, quarterly basis to like warn like healthcare professionals

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<v Speaker 1>about like this is the sort of like what's going

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<v Speaker 1>on in healthcare and what you need to be prepared

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<v Speaker 1>for in your area, because this is what those reports

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<v Speaker 1>aren't getting out, and that's so crucial to maintaining and

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<v Speaker 1>protecting public health, that and controlling diseases, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>titular function of the CDC. So yeah, I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 1>It definitely is problematic, and I the AJ for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>I did kind of take a position like yours at first, Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>where I was like, Yeah, this is certainly budget cuts,

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<v Speaker 1>But then when I go to look into it, I

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<v Speaker 1>landed somewhere closer to where I think AJ was kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thinking too. So just sort of like to just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of share your thoughts, you know the way Kelly,

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<v Speaker 1>they just kind of open endedly. Do you think this

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<v Speaker 1>is a budget thing or do you think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>more direct or just a different cause for the silence

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<v Speaker 1>from the CDC.

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<v Speaker 3>I do have to agree a little bit that it

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<v Speaker 3>could be partly due to the budget cuts, but I

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<v Speaker 3>also think that from this third of the current administration,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, nearly everyone involved in communications that the CDC

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<v Speaker 3>was laid off. Okay, like the media communication the people

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<v Speaker 3>that provided records to the public. The entire division of

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<v Speaker 3>digital media was also told that the department would be eliminated,

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<v Speaker 3>and they fired web developers, graphic designers, social media stuff,

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<v Speaker 3>all of them. At the same time. Anyone that was

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<v Speaker 3>left was looked out of the main social media accounts.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know. I think partly Boudger cuts, partly

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<v Speaker 3>they fucked up. But see, the CDC used to post

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<v Speaker 3>on Facebook daily, sometimes more than once a day, but

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<v Speaker 3>since March it's been like radio silence, absolutely like nothing.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the last posts on their Facebook page is

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<v Speaker 3>OURFKA Junior claiming that the Department of Hope and Human

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<v Speaker 3>Services is going to stream align communication. You know, the

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<v Speaker 3>CDC used to be able to publish and share these

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<v Speaker 3>findings in a timely minor because they were not being

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<v Speaker 3>micro managed by the Department of Health and Human Services.

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<v Speaker 3>But now it's like everything has to go through them.

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<v Speaker 3>The staff says that it has caused a back love

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<v Speaker 3>of several months worth of data that should have already

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<v Speaker 3>been probed on their social media, on their websites, on

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<v Speaker 3>their email newsletters, as well as some direct communications to

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<v Speaker 3>American physicians, right, like researchers laughs. It's just a mess.

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<v Speaker 3>So I think that they, Yeah, maybe it was maybe

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<v Speaker 3>started as a budget cut, but it just got into

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<v Speaker 3>such a such a tankled mess that nobody can even

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<v Speaker 3>tell now what it's about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I agree with it. That's basically where I

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<v Speaker 1>landed to And I agree with you up to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where, like it was basically immediately after the inauguration

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning of this year, that's when things started

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<v Speaker 1>to change and like communications started, you know, specifically started

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<v Speaker 1>to change. But as I looked into it, it was

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Dorothy Fink, and she was the interim Secretary of

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<v Speaker 1>the Department of Health and Human Services before RFK Junior's confirmation.

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<v Speaker 1>So she was appointed by the incoming president on the

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<v Speaker 1>day of his inauguration, which is standard practice for you know,

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<v Speaker 1>each time there's a new president, they appoint among other

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<v Speaker 1>offices and interim you know, secretary for this office, and

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Dorothy Fink was the appointee this year. So she

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<v Speaker 1>made the order to halt all communications on February excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>January twenty first of this year, and then, like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>two months later, the Facebook makes their last three posts

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<v Speaker 1>at the end of March, one of them being a

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<v Speaker 1>video from RFKA Junior saying we're going to streamline communication.

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<v Speaker 2>So with that what they call that nineteen eighty four

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<v Speaker 2>double speak?

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<v Speaker 1>Bas yeah, I mean, is that not exactly what? Because

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it is, right right, And that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting at. Because if they've you know, their their

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<v Speaker 1>last their most recent like public social posts, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not their most recent communication because the website is still updating,

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<v Speaker 1>not as regularly as it used to, but still updating.

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<v Speaker 1>So with like all of these outward communications halting so

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<v Speaker 1>that the incoming administration can review them, two months after

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<v Speaker 1>she halts communications, they disappear completely. So can it even

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<v Speaker 1>like be said that they're actually streamlining communication or is

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<v Speaker 1>that even what this is about? Do you think? Aj?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, I don't think. I don't think it's

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<v Speaker 3>you know, about streamlining communication, because you can't do that

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<v Speaker 3>while keeping your staff in the loop, right and not

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<v Speaker 3>firing pretty much out of your staff. You can do

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<v Speaker 3>that while keeping American scientists informed so that they can

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<v Speaker 3>make decisions that keep the American public safe, which is

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<v Speaker 3>the main purpose of the CDC. So to see this blatant.

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<v Speaker 3>This regard for science. You can clearly see it right there.

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<v Speaker 3>This really makes me upset and frustrated, But I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>really surprised by it in a sense. And the reason

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<v Speaker 3>is because we saw this in the first term of

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<v Speaker 3>the current administration. I don't know if you guys remember

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<v Speaker 3>around twenty seventeen, about a year after he took office,

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<v Speaker 3>They're much for science took place all over the United States.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like a huge protest, like millions of people

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<v Speaker 3>that included a large amount of scientists that were a

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<v Speaker 3>vital part of the organizing of the protests. There were

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<v Speaker 3>members of the movement. I mean, you rarely ever see that.

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<v Speaker 3>You rarely see scientists like getting involved that deeply. And

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<v Speaker 3>it started because of the disregard for science like we

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<v Speaker 3>are seeing right now. It was like something that hasn't

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<v Speaker 3>happened since then in such a massive way. I was

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<v Speaker 3>the director for the Houston chapter and we had like

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen thousand people come out and march. And the reason

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<v Speaker 3>for that was because Houston has the largest medical center

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<v Speaker 3>in the world. So the things that are happening in

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<v Speaker 3>the CDC, the effects of this lack of communication can

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<v Speaker 3>be devastating. For institutions, major institutions that contained this large

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<v Speaker 3>amount of hospitals, clinics, laboratories, all of this research and

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<v Speaker 3>obviously the first of the communities that they serve.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks, guys. I think I think that was really

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<v Speaker 1>well said, honestly, and like we've all discussed like but

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<v Speaker 1>among the three of us like sciences before, we're all

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<v Speaker 1>science like folk here Kelly chief among us being published

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<v Speaker 1>in a journal. Right, So, just with that being the case,

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<v Speaker 1>talking on to like to the point AJ made about

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<v Speaker 1>like this just public and systemic you could say, disregard

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<v Speaker 1>for science and and just wonder and learning and knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you have anything that you want to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of speak onto that from from your person.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to speak on that. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that this is, I mean, like the current administration to

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<v Speaker 2>reaction to science, using this as a really good example,

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<v Speaker 2>is setting the pace for this kind of reaction from

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<v Speaker 2>the from the rest of our society. And and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to be a conspiracy theorist or anything, but

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<v Speaker 2>I do remember during the first term one of the

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<v Speaker 2>people who did stand the organizations that did stand up

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<v Speaker 2>to our current president was the CDC. During the COVID outbreak.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, like right when he comes in day one,

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<v Speaker 2>he starts tearing it up. That doesn't seem it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>actually seem like a conspiracy, does it. It seems like normal

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<v Speaker 2>behavior for this person to me. But I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I could say that or not. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>there's been another effect that goes down the line within

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<v Speaker 2>the CDC besides this, besides what we've talked about, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is a lot of people were saying that they've

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<v Speaker 2>been putting in these bulletins, but they have to be

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<v Speaker 2>approved by the upper echelons, and they're not approving these bulletins.

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<v Speaker 2>So these people, knowing they're not going to be approved,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't even submitting them anymore. And that's a real problem,

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<v Speaker 2>is that these people who are trying to tear apart

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<v Speaker 2>the CDC are actually getting the people who are left

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<v Speaker 2>at the CDC to not do their job properly. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they've just sucked the morale out out of all the

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<v Speaker 2>employees there, the employees that are left. Right, And going

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<v Speaker 2>back to the initial question of the lack of science

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<v Speaker 2>and knowledge and the interest in that, in the last

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<v Speaker 2>really cool. And I haven't really seen that much interest

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<v Speaker 2>in science in a long time. And it's really heartening

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<v Speaker 2>that science is right there in everybody's living room. As

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<v Speaker 2>long as you've got a computer or a phone in

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<v Speaker 2>your hand, science is right there. All of science is

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<v Speaker 2>available to you, and that's freaking amazing. But unfortunately there

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<v Speaker 2>are people my age a little bit younger than that

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<v Speaker 2>are still stuck in the nineties and they haven't realized

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<v Speaker 2>that technology has moved forward, and we got to those

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<v Speaker 2>are the people that we're having to deal with today too.

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<v Speaker 2>And then we always had that. I talk about it

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<v Speaker 2>all the time, the Carlon problem. George Carlin said that

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<v Speaker 2>average intelligence isn't that smart, and half the people are

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<v Speaker 2>people that reject science right because they just can't understand it.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't get it, and it's out of their world.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's all those people that know all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>They're the elite and I don't. I'm not the elite.

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<v Speaker 2>Screw those guys. Yeah, So I think that's it, and

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<v Speaker 2>that attitude is becoming more or has been more prevalent

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<v Speaker 2>since honestly the turn of the century.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't think I could have said that better.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing is, those people that you're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>that are stuck in you know, this is just what

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<v Speaker 1>of the most sinister things about this, I think, is

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<v Speaker 1>that you have those people who demonstrantly don't don't demonstrably

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<v Speaker 1>don't have expertise in any given field, being granted what

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<v Speaker 1>they perceive is unchecked authority over that field, that industry,

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<v Speaker 1>that sector, whatever it may be, and they're allowed to

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<v Speaker 1>say that doesn't sound right to me. And if their

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<v Speaker 1>don't remember being taught that, either because they weren't paying

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<v Speaker 2>Or that don't sound right to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, or because that's not what the Bible says, or

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<v Speaker 1>like I feel like it's probably something that's not unnatural

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<v Speaker 1>with the top tells me exactly if that's what their

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<v Speaker 1>convince them that there may be something that they don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>which for people who who buy into the argument from authority,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a difficult thing to do, and especially if they

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<v Speaker 1>as a crutch to insist that they know best, which

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<v Speaker 1>I think is a lot about what is similar to

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<v Speaker 1>what we're seeing in a lot of of context right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And when you have others an authority endorsing that person,

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<v Speaker 1>it just perpetuates this false impression that not only they

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<v Speaker 1>can and should be trusted, but that they should not

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<v Speaker 1>be questioned. And it makes me think of these like

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<v Speaker 1>dynastic emperors or empires that were ruled by like the

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<v Speaker 1>emotions and the opinions of their rulers, and your quality

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<v Speaker 1>of life can change dramatically overnight based on who the

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<v Speaker 1>most recent murderer is, so it can be sorry I

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<v Speaker 1>got lost in my thought. Now, you can't say that

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<v Speaker 1>all government is based on governing the the governing party's

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<v Speaker 1>personal opinions, but you can come to those personal opinions

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<v Speaker 1>and those beliefs either through like science and evidence based

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<v Speaker 1>methods that's just not that good for coming to like

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<v Speaker 1>a truth based conclusion. So with that being said, a

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<v Speaker 1>J would you say that it is important to make

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<v Speaker 1>that distinction between like an expert and an authority and

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<v Speaker 1>whether the opinion of one or the other has any

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<v Speaker 1>more of a place in governance than the other, or

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<v Speaker 1>would you would you do away with personal opinions altogether.

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<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately, I don't think that the majority of people come

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<v Speaker 3>to their opinion based on evidence, but whether I like

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<v Speaker 3>feelings or you know, like I just think, or hey,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I just got this idea and that's my opinion.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's that they don't even look into the actual

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<v Speaker 3>evidence or the science of it of it. And for

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<v Speaker 3>that reason I.

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<v Speaker 2>Got to giggle because I thought of that. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>my dad always wrote a Republican and that was good

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<v Speaker 2>enough for him, So I'm going to vote Republican. But

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<v Speaker 2>that made me laugh a little bit because that's right

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<v Speaker 2>along with what you're saying, Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but that's exactly that. Yeah, And but it shouldn't

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<v Speaker 3>really matter what your personal opinion is, you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>whatever your belief, especially of the people running enormous departments

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<v Speaker 3>that are in control of the entire country, like the

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<v Speaker 3>whole department, and the current person that you know is

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<v Speaker 3>serving this department is there to serve the public, not

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<v Speaker 3>to serve a personal agenda. And they should listen to

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<v Speaker 3>the scientists that are doing the science, that are doing

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<v Speaker 3>the thing that they've spent years being trained to do, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that they use the scientific method to come to all

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<v Speaker 3>of these consensus and not necessarily just use their argument

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<v Speaker 3>of authority to be like, hey, just because there's one

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<v Speaker 3>scientist seems why No, like there are actually using the

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<v Speaker 3>scientific consensus as a whole. So what I'm trying to

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<v Speaker 3>say is, like the part that blows my mind about

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<v Speaker 3>this is that we really know who is behind this,

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<v Speaker 3>and we know why he is doing it. But the

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<v Speaker 3>CDCAS communication isn't it shouldn't be just about vaccines or

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<v Speaker 3>all of these stuff that this person is focused on.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just such a tiny part of what they do.

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<v Speaker 3>They deal with things like outbreaks of measles like we've

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<v Speaker 3>had here in Texas salmonella, listeria or hepatitis AI and

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<v Speaker 3>hepatitis C food safety. The informosts about disease prevention, and

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<v Speaker 3>we currently have over one hundred million Americans suffering from

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<v Speaker 3>different chronic illnesses like type two diabetes, heart disease, all

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<v Speaker 3>types of cancers, which include childhood cancers. So the posts

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<v Speaker 3>that they used to share on their social media weren't

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<v Speaker 3>about any type of controversial topics. There were like information

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<v Speaker 3>for pregnant women on how to take care of their

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<v Speaker 3>bodies and how to take care of their onborn babies,

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<v Speaker 3>which you know, it's one of the things that the

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<v Speaker 3>concern relieves claim to care so much about, or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the reminders about cancer screenings. So the CDC is there

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<v Speaker 3>to give recommendations from experts in their specific fields about

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<v Speaker 3>different topics of help. But you know, I guess that's

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<v Speaker 3>how much the American government values life. But don't worry,

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<v Speaker 3>They're going to keep pushing depend on a fortune so

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<v Speaker 3>that American women can forcibly give birth to more babies

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<v Speaker 3>that then will grow up to be adults that they

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think I think you ended up

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<v Speaker 1>pretty nicely there. That's that's that's essentially what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>They taking care of the society doesn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 1>an important goal. It's it's just about creating more taxpayers,

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<v Speaker 1>more workers, more something who knows, more believers, more believers,

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<v Speaker 1>more Christians, soldiers in God's army or you know, whoever

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<v Speaker 1>needs an army. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the way they justify it too. It was like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>people voted for the for voted for us, so this

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<v Speaker 2>is what must be what they want. They all knew

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<v Speaker 2>we were idiots and they voted for us, so when

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<v Speaker 2>we react like idiots, that must be what they want.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, we're not idiots, and neither are you of

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<v Speaker 1>youew ers, So you should do what smart people do

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<v Speaker 1>and check out more nonprofits.