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<v Speaker 1>Today, I want to tell you about a journey that

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<v Speaker 1>I've been on for most of my life. Ever since

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, I've heard tales of bigfoot and

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<v Speaker 1>wild men while spending time with my friends and family.

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<v Speaker 1>As I grew older and read more about the paranormal,

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<v Speaker 1>my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going

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<v Speaker 2>on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to

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<v Speaker 2>kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there over

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<v Speaker 2>the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, damn,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming

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<v Speaker 2>over the fence and name was dead once you hit

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<v Speaker 2>the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw

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<v Speaker 2>was my dog coming over the fence.

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<v Speaker 3>Happen?

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<v Speaker 2>What are you reporting? We got some wonder or something

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<v Speaker 2>crawling around out here? Did you see what it was?

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<v Speaker 2>It was enough out here. Look, I'm new to the

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<v Speaker 2>window now and I don't need anything. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to go outside. Its fight. Hello, hit the boddy out here?

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<v Speaker 2>What quent on out there? I thought of a bit

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<v Speaker 2>about text nine. I don't know. Easy ann out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm walking right, heady, all right, folks want welcome

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<v Speaker 1>our guest to the show. It is Neil from across

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<v Speaker 1>the Pond in the United Kingdom. Welcome to the show, sir.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you. It's a privilege to be on the show today.

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<v Speaker 1>I am so glad to have you. I was fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>by your initial email that you sent in about your

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<v Speaker 1>analysis and your breakdown of some of the BFRO database stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're definitely going to get into that, but before

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<v Speaker 1>we get there, I want to start where I start

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<v Speaker 1>with everybody, what in the world got you interested in

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<v Speaker 1>the subject of Bigfoot to begin with?

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<v Speaker 4>Like I guess, I've always been interested in the paranormal,

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<v Speaker 4>had interesting things happen throughout life that you think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>it's possible. But I guess from a big Foot perspective.

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<v Speaker 4>Harry and the Hendersons was big when we were little.

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<v Speaker 4>I think as time went on, but we started having

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<v Speaker 4>TV shows in the UK which would cover quite a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of paranoral stuff. Then Bigfoot would be introduced to

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<v Speaker 4>the Paddy film. I listened to another podcast they cover

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<v Speaker 4>quite a lot of paranal aspect things and been listening

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<v Speaker 4>to that since it just after sort of year two thousand,

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<v Speaker 4>they kept bringing up the subject to Bigfoot, and for

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<v Speaker 4>me it was like, oh, okay, I thought there was

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<v Speaker 4>just one sighting, and then as time progressed, there were

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<v Speaker 4>more videos, there were more people talking about Bigfoot sightings,

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<v Speaker 4>and that got me really intrigued. As time goes on,

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<v Speaker 4>you start hearing more and more stories than you think.

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<v Speaker 4>Can it really be that all these people are lying?

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<v Speaker 4>It seems impossible that could be the case, And so

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<v Speaker 4>I went down that rabbit hole. I suppose I could

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<v Speaker 4>have chosen anything. I could have chosen aliens, I could

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<v Speaker 4>have chosen ghosts, big foot side of things. It intrigued

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<v Speaker 4>me because I think there's a real possibility that does exist,

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<v Speaker 4>and there's so much data out there to support the existence.

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<v Speaker 4>Scientists may so there's not enough data. I myself would

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<v Speaker 4>probably say that as well with the BFRO database, we

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<v Speaker 4>need more reports, we need more data. These sightings by

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<v Speaker 4>themselves are great, they're entertaining, but if you don't put

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<v Speaker 4>them together with the other sightings, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 4>find those trends. You're not going to find that repetition

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<v Speaker 4>that science needs. So yeah, that's what got me into Bigfoot,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm very firmly into it. But obviously, being in

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<v Speaker 4>the UK, we have the odd sighting of something every

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<v Speaker 4>now and again, but I don't think we're dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>the same Reddit comedy. If it is to all or

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<v Speaker 4>a make comedy bilder this interpretation, I guess I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to know what I could do to be more involved.

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<v Speaker 4>My background, I've worked in HR for nineteen years in

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<v Speaker 4>various different roles, but spent quite a lot of time

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<v Speaker 4>working with data, using data sets to inform big decisions

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<v Speaker 4>within PAHRD apartments. It's getting that balance of using the

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<v Speaker 4>data but not drawing two many conclusions on it because

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<v Speaker 4>you need that human aspect just go alongside it. The

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<v Speaker 4>data is good, it points you in the right direction,

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<v Speaker 4>but you've still got to have that sort of balanced

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<v Speaker 4>attitude to things. So I really enjoy that about Hi's

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<v Speaker 4>that if you have a decent data set, you can

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<v Speaker 4>really analyze what's going on and look at multiple things

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<v Speaker 4>at once. So from a HR perspective, I might look

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<v Speaker 4>at say turnover, high levels of recruitment, high levels of

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<v Speaker 4>sickness that are all happening in one department, and those

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<v Speaker 4>three things together tell you a story about there's a

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<v Speaker 4>problem in that department because you've got all these things

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<v Speaker 4>going on at the same time. So that's how I

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<v Speaker 4>got onto thinking what about the BFRO information. It's open

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<v Speaker 4>sources on their website. Maybe we could do something with that.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's something really powerful about where you take a

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<v Speaker 4>data set and then add in additional things. And the

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<v Speaker 4>good thing about the BFRO database is it's got georeferencing,

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<v Speaker 4>so pinpoint where that sighting took place, and if you've

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<v Speaker 4>got a date, you can add a date to it.

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<v Speaker 4>Then you can go and find a set of data

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<v Speaker 4>that will tell you what the weather was like on

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<v Speaker 4>that day in that location. You can start adding in

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<v Speaker 4>that information. Today it's not in the report, but even

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<v Speaker 4>today I was doing some more because every day I

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<v Speaker 4>get a new fought and think, oh, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 4>I could try that.

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<v Speaker 3>I managed to get hold of.

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<v Speaker 4>The size of all the US states and the populations

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<v Speaker 4>of all the US states and work out population density.

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<v Speaker 4>Then from that I can work out a sighting too

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<v Speaker 4>population density score, and most states are somewhere between zero

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<v Speaker 4>point one and two. But then right at the top

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<v Speaker 4>there's a group of states that sort of shout out Oregon, Washington, Alaska.

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<v Speaker 4>And what that suggests to me is there are more

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<v Speaker 4>reports coming out of those states than there is in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of population density. So what you'd expect to be

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<v Speaker 4>coming out as an normal, if there was an even

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<v Speaker 4>distribution of sasquatch across the US, would be roughly between

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<v Speaker 4>zero and two but actually looking at it. Alaska, for example,

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<v Speaker 4>is one that really stood out, particularly with Fred on

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<v Speaker 4>your shows. I noticed there's only twenty one sightings in

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<v Speaker 4>the data set that I had from Alaska. We know

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<v Speaker 4>that Fred's said that a lot of people don't want

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<v Speaker 4>to come forward, but I thought, oh, that's very low.

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<v Speaker 4>But when you look at the sightings for population density,

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<v Speaker 4>it is off the scale. So it means that amount

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<v Speaker 4>of twenty one sightings is actually higher than you'd expect

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<v Speaker 4>to have based on a normal distribution of big foot

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<v Speaker 4>across the US. So that was quite exciting for me

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<v Speaker 4>to see this morning and think, wow, that it really

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<v Speaker 4>jumps off the page.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the fact that.

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<v Speaker 1>You're interested in that aspect of it, because frankly, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think there's a lot of people that are doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>You have people like the BFROO that are taking these

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<v Speaker 1>accounts and putting them in a database that gives you

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<v Speaker 1>all this data that they're inputting. Very much like you

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<v Speaker 1>said with Goo locations, I could look at the weather

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<v Speaker 1>and all the things that they collect during these investigations

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<v Speaker 1>that they do. You also have people like Scott Tompkins

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<v Speaker 1>over at the Bigfoot Mapping Project. He's pulling from the BFRO,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's also pulling from some of these other databases

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<v Speaker 1>and places that maybe they don't get reported to the BFRO,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're getting reported in different places. Fred you mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>in Alaska is another repository of tons of stories. It

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<v Speaker 1>hits me every time I post one of those episodes

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<v Speaker 1>from Fred where he's telling a couple of different stories

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<v Speaker 1>over the course of forty five minutes or whatever I

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<v Speaker 1>put together. I think to myself all the time, he's

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<v Speaker 1>getting these reports directly from these people, in most cases

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<v Speaker 1>their first nations, they're Native Americans, that they're not sharing

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere else. So you have that subset of data that

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<v Speaker 1>is collected in these repositories and other podcasts. My podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shocked that there are other podcasts out there who

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<v Speaker 1>cover that. I thought mine was the only one. But

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<v Speaker 1>all jokes aside, you do have all of these other

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<v Speaker 1>shows that interview people that I've never talked to, and

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<v Speaker 1>the majority of the people I'm satisfied, And this is

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<v Speaker 1>not something that I normally ask people. That I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to start adding to the questions that I

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<v Speaker 1>ask people is have you reported this to the BFRO

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<v Speaker 1>or any other organization that tracks these kind of sightings,

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<v Speaker 1>because I do think that's important because they're coming in

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<v Speaker 1>and talking about it on a podcast, but it may

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily be in the database, and you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>that way to go back and check these things other

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<v Speaker 1>than listening through an entire episode of the show, or

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the case may be. So I am so thankful

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<v Speaker 1>that there are people out there like you who a

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<v Speaker 1>have the background and the patients to go through and

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<v Speaker 1>sift through this data, because I have said it from

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<v Speaker 1>day one. It's one of the reasons I started this

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<v Speaker 1>podcast was to become a repository for these stories that

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<v Speaker 1>people could go back and listen to ten years later.

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<v Speaker 1>They might have an experience and go, Wow, this guy

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<v Speaker 1>that Brian talked to in Alabama had a very similar

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<v Speaker 1>experience that I had in nineteen seventy four in Alaska,

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever the case may be. I think it's fascinating

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<v Speaker 1>that you're doing that and you have the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>extrapolate all of these things put them into something like

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<v Speaker 1>this document that a couple of documents that you've sent

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<v Speaker 1>over to me that make it easier for people to digest.

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<v Speaker 1>You started looking into the BFRO database, how did you

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<v Speaker 1>get into that? Was it overwhelming for you the process

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<v Speaker 1>of getting into all of these reports? How did you

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<v Speaker 1>approach that when you were starting to dive into the

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<v Speaker 1>data and pull out the things that you were looking for.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was important to approach it with a

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<v Speaker 4>sort of data mindset, because you can get lost in

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<v Speaker 4>lots of text and information. There's a lot of data

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<v Speaker 4>points within there that can be extracted out. For me,

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<v Speaker 4>it was important that you can get an average from figures,

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<v Speaker 4>but ultimately I wanted to put things into categories like

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<v Speaker 4>low temperature, high temperature, middle range, what's an average temperature?

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<v Speaker 4>That sort of thing, to try and make that data

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<v Speaker 4>more valuable, because once you start grouping part to the

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<v Speaker 4>data together, it then becomes more valuable as an analytical

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<v Speaker 4>tool because things will jump off the page, Whereas if

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<v Speaker 4>you're just staring at reports and minus leets typing in

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<v Speaker 4>But there is an excitement still for me looking at

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<v Speaker 4>new categories as well that aren't necessarily they're within the text,

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<v Speaker 4>but they're not necessarily something that I can draw out.

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<v Speaker 4>So setting up new categories around like size, height, always

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<v Speaker 4>found wait a bit of a funny one, and I

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<v Speaker 4>think the only people in the UK who could tell

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<v Speaker 4>you what the weigh of something is probably a butcher.

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<v Speaker 3>So when people.

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<v Speaker 4>Say, oh, it's about four hundred pounds or eight hundred pounds,

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<v Speaker 4>I think do hunters weigh their animals when they've take

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<v Speaker 4>I definitely do a great deal of hunting here in

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<v Speaker 4>the UK. So yeah, it was seven foot, it was

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<v Speaker 4>eight foot. Breaking out those categories making it something that

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<v Speaker 4>we might then start seeing patterns of certain sizes of

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<v Speaker 4>sasquatch correlating to Ban's or all the Canadian sightings are bigger.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a bit of a task, but I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>this is the tip of the iceberg. I feel like

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<v Speaker 4>there's more stuff we can do every day. I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 4>Almost like the sighting report becomes a smaller element of

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<v Speaker 4>we're taking in regional climates, we're looking at all the

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<v Speaker 3>I guess that's when my hr head.

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<v Speaker 4>Comes in, looking at organizations and how they function and

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<v Speaker 4>if you push a button over here, it's probably going

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<v Speaker 4>to add an adverse effect over here. So just getting

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<v Speaker 4>getting them into nice pots of data that can then

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<v Speaker 3>It can be correlated together.

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<v Speaker 4>Are there two subsets of category that if you put

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<v Speaker 4>them together they stand off a page? Certainly, things like

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<v Speaker 4>temperature precipitation seems to have a significance in citing reports.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about some of the basics when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to the BFROL. People have heard the Bigfoot Field Researchers

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<v Speaker 1>organization for many decades. It's definitely by far one of

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<v Speaker 1>the biggest bigfoot organizations that are out there in the

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<v Speaker 1>zeitgeist for folks to digest information from report to go

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<v Speaker 1>on outings with. We've all heard of the Class B,

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<v Speaker 1>Class A, Class C sidings. Can you talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about once you got into those, how you approached

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<v Speaker 1>breaking those down, how they approach breaking those down, and

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<v Speaker 1>what that means as far as your data versus say

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<v Speaker 1>somebody has a Class A versus A Class B or

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<v Speaker 1>Class C siding, and what some of those characteristics are

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<v Speaker 1>that go into those sidings, And how did you start

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<v Speaker 1>looking into that data.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, I've taken their class sightings, but you know what

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<v Speaker 4>they would define it as. Really, but what I found

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<v Speaker 4>was so a Class A sighting is where the witness

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<v Speaker 4>has a clear view of the creature, leaving little room

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<v Speaker 4>for misinterpretation. They're obviously considered the most credible reports. They

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<v Speaker 4>typically a close range. There tends to be more detail

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<v Speaker 4>in that report, so they'll talk about the size of

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<v Speaker 4>the creature, what it was doing, was it running, was

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<v Speaker 4>it pishing, that sort of thing. With a class B

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<v Speaker 4>sighting as footprints, they saw something, but it couldn't carry

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<v Speaker 4>exactly it was a big foot. But they may have

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<v Speaker 4>found footprints with it howlings or rock throwing, but they

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<v Speaker 4>didn't actually see the creature. They all fit into that

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<v Speaker 4>class B category.

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<v Speaker 3>Primarily.

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<v Speaker 4>The database is made up of class A and Class

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<v Speaker 4>B to pretty much a sort of fifty fifty ratio.

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<v Speaker 4>When in looking at most of the data that didn't

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<v Speaker 4>seem to be a the conditions, the weather conditions, the climate,

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<v Speaker 4>the environment didn't seem to have an impact on whether

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<v Speaker 4>you have a Class A or Class B sighting. They

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<v Speaker 4>seemed to be possible in the same weather conditions. A

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<v Speaker 4>class C sighting is less direct, more ambiguous. It might

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<v Speaker 4>be a friend of a friend told me this and

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<v Speaker 4>I've reported it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think there's any thirty on the.

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<v Speaker 4>Database, So yeah, it's a bit hard to put weight

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<v Speaker 4>behind thirty cases. But that's the main difference between those.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into some of the trends that you identified,

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<v Speaker 1>like the geographical trends, the seasonal figures and trends, the

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<v Speaker 1>temperature like you mentioned earlier, precipitation. I guess there's a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of data to go through, so we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about any and all that you want to talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>But is there anything that's stuck out to you in

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<v Speaker 1>any of those categories as far as the trends, whether

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<v Speaker 1>it be geographical, seasonal, that stuck out to you that

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<v Speaker 1>maybe surprised you a little bit. In those trends that

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<v Speaker 4>Probably would have said that you would see more bigfoot

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<v Speaker 4>in the summer, But actually October is the most likely month.

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<v Speaker 4>October is when most of the sightings have happened, and

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<v Speaker 4>I don't really know what that could be. It could

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<v Speaker 4>be it's the last of the berries so that they're

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<v Speaker 4>out and about shutting up for the winter. In some states,

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<v Speaker 4>I believe it out mating season is in October. Some

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<v Speaker 4>deer categories may also have it. Oh, we know sascots

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<v Speaker 4>could be mating in October. That's why they're out and about.

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<v Speaker 4>That's an interesting one. Saturday's sprung off the page. Most

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<v Speaker 4>days you have a twelve to fourteen percent chance of

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<v Speaker 4>having an observation, but on a Saturday that then spikes

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<v Speaker 4>up to twenty one percent. So if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 4>that's a fifty percent increase on a Saturday that you're

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<v Speaker 4>more likely to see a big foot or witness some

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<v Speaker 4>sort of evidence of a bigfoot. Now I put that

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<v Speaker 4>down to this is just my opinion from the UK.

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<v Speaker 4>You may think it's slightly different. But Saturday is a

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<v Speaker 4>recreational day. More people go camping, more people go hunting, fishing,

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<v Speaker 4>more people out in the wilderness. It's more likely that

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<v Speaker 4>you will see a big foot because of the human

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<v Speaker 4>behavior on that day.

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<v Speaker 3>They get drawn into campsites, that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>And on a Sunday that tends to be the day

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<v Speaker 4>when people take off for dusk, they go back home,

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<v Speaker 4>or they don't tend to stick around on the Sunday evening,

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<v Speaker 4>they're not going to get the same level of sightings.

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<v Speaker 4>That was why, just general sort of theory around what

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<v Speaker 4>it could be that makes that differentiation. Interestingly, winter sightings

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<v Speaker 4>in Alabama, Florida, Mississippi, and Georgia we're at twenty five percent,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's the highest across the whole of the state.

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<v Speaker 4>And I think that's probably because they are in the

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<v Speaker 4>south and their climate is a bit warmer in the winter,

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<v Speaker 4>so you're going to have more bigfoot walking around, you

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<v Speaker 4>can have more people walking around, and therefore there is

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<v Speaker 4>a more opportunity in those states to see or witness something.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been quite careful in this report to use the

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<v Speaker 4>word observation because although they are called Class B sightings,

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<v Speaker 4>only really Class A is you can call a sighting.

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<v Speaker 4>So throughout the report I talk about observations because it

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<v Speaker 4>is the full range of observation.

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<v Speaker 3>Full moon and waning moon.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously, that gives you more visibility, so there is a

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<v Speaker 4>higher percentage of observations on a full moon or a

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<v Speaker 4>waning moon. Visibility again, if there's high visibility or medium visibility,

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<v Speaker 4>you're more likely to see that bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 3>And of course if it's raining.

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<v Speaker 4>I found that if it's light rain or if it's

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<v Speaker 4>clear then you are more likely.

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<v Speaker 3>To observe a bigfoot.

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<v Speaker 4>If it's pouring down with rain, visibility is going to

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<v Speaker 4>be bad anyway, so the likelihood of actually seen something

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<v Speaker 4>is quite low. And that that's come out the sighting reports.

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<v Speaker 4>It did look at something else around, like the weather

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<v Speaker 4>reports for those days to see if that impacted the

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<v Speaker 4>human behavior and where it said it wasn't going to rain.

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<v Speaker 4>Sixty seven percent of the sightings all fit into that category,

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<v Speaker 4>so it's almost like people have looked at the weather

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<v Speaker 4>report before they've gone out that it's not going to rain today,

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<v Speaker 4>let's go for a walk.

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<v Speaker 3>That sort of played in.

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<v Speaker 4>What I find fascinating is there's a human behavior element

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<v Speaker 4>to this and a bigfoot behavior element.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to draw conclusions because.

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<v Speaker 4>We know where the people live, we know roughly where

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<v Speaker 4>the bigfoot are going to be found. You're not going

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<v Speaker 4>to find them walking down the high street. It is

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<v Speaker 4>very interesting to see that could draw a conclusion from

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<v Speaker 4>this data that sascotch is a fair weather creature because

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<v Speaker 4>we see him more in fair weather. But actually the

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<v Speaker 4>flip of that is we are fair weather people and

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<v Speaker 4>so therefore we are likely to see tascots when we're

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<v Speaker 4>out comfortable in favorable conditions. Just having a look on

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<v Speaker 4>here to see if there's anything else that really stood out.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of the observations were in medium or very

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<v Speaker 4>high air pressure, which tends to be at lower elevations.

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<v Speaker 4>You can imply a height from air pressure because the

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<v Speaker 4>highest air pressures around sea level, and then as you

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<v Speaker 4>go up the air pressure drops, so you can get

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<v Speaker 4>an idea from the data of where that took place. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 4>air pressure can change on a dynamic basis on a

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<v Speaker 4>day to day basis, but generally it does give an

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<v Speaker 4>indication or suggests an elevation to the vast majority of

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<v Speaker 4>sightings have been seen lower down, but again that's where

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<v Speaker 4>humans tend to live. If we live near we don't

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<v Speaker 4>tend to live on top of the mountain. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 4>just very interesting stuff. I guess there was a real

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<v Speaker 4>spike of cases between the year two thousand and two

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<v Speaker 4>thousand and it might be thirteen where it went up

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<v Speaker 4>into triple figures a year, and then that spite in

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<v Speaker 4>two thousand and four there's two hundred and forty one sightings,

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<v Speaker 4>and then two thousand and five was two hundred and nine.

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<v Speaker 4>Since that point the corresponds a bit to finding big fits,

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<v Speaker 4>So you've got a thing. Actually, Matt money Maker was

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<v Speaker 4>probably quite stretched during that period and probably couldn't do

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of the follow ups that perhaps he might

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<v Speaker 4>have wanted to do, And I've got a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>respect for that and what he's done for the subject

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<v Speaker 4>to bigfoot, And obviously it's a volunteer group beer for

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<v Speaker 4>all right, the sightings dropping off after sort of twenty

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<v Speaker 4>thirteen to now, and we haven't had one hundred sightings recorded.

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<v Speaker 3>Since I think it's around twenty thirteen. Off the top

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<v Speaker 3>of my head.

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<v Speaker 4>They seem to have dropped when you would think we've

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<v Speaker 4>got bigfoot programs on TV now there's multiple bigfoot programs

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<v Speaker 4>on TV, but podcasts, we've got social media channels. Surely

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<v Speaker 4>more people are into this and more people are seeing

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<v Speaker 4>them and more people are reporting them. But actually, in

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<v Speaker 4>terms of the recorded sightings on the BFRO website, need

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<v Speaker 4>to be clear about that because there could be a

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<v Speaker 4>number of reports that just haven't been investigated sitting behind

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<v Speaker 4>the scenes.

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<v Speaker 3>So we just got to be a bit careful with

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<v Speaker 3>the data.

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<v Speaker 4>For me, that siting drop off is a real concern

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<v Speaker 4>because this database there are databases, but this one holds

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of history and sightings on their own, as

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<v Speaker 4>interesting and as entertaining as they can be to listen

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<v Speaker 4>to that don't hold the weight of trends and repetition

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<v Speaker 4>that have scientists would appreciate.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess yeah, you even mentioned it, and as you

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<v Speaker 1>were talking, I was googling because I couldn't remember when

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<v Speaker 1>Finding Bigfoot premiered and when it went.

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<v Speaker 3>Off the year.

424
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<v Speaker 1>But it doesn't correspond with what I was thinking initially

425
00:21:57.400 --> 00:22:00.640
<v Speaker 1>when you were talking about the siting train going up

426
00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:05.599
<v Speaker 1>and down. Finding Bigfoot basically premiered in twenty eleven. Then

427
00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.319
<v Speaker 1>the sightings as you see them on the BFRO website

428
00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:11.599
<v Speaker 1>trended downwards starting in twenty fifteen. If you would think

429
00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:13.240
<v Speaker 1>it would be the opposite, like you said, But I

430
00:22:13.240 --> 00:22:16.960
<v Speaker 1>think what I found is happening is I think less

431
00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:20.839
<v Speaker 1>people know about the BFRO because I've talked to so

432
00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:25.240
<v Speaker 1>many people that had a siding, had an experience back

433
00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:28.119
<v Speaker 1>in the early two thousands. They google and the first

434
00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:30.160
<v Speaker 1>thing that comes up when they do a web search

435
00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.160
<v Speaker 1>is the BFRO. It's the most prominent or was the

436
00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:35.880
<v Speaker 1>most prominent thing out there now if you just search

437
00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:39.839
<v Speaker 1>the word bigfoot, nine thousand things are going to come up,

438
00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:42.599
<v Speaker 1>probably way before you see the BFRO. So I think

439
00:22:42.599 --> 00:22:45.000
<v Speaker 1>that's what happens a lot of times when people get

440
00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:46.720
<v Speaker 1>into the subject, and very much like you said, I

441
00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:48.400
<v Speaker 1>even made a note of it while you were talking.

442
00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:51.359
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting to me how many people you still talk

443
00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:56.119
<v Speaker 1>to this day, twenty twenty four that think Bigfoot was

444
00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:59.359
<v Speaker 1>only seen once in nineteen sixty seven when they filmed

445
00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:02.200
<v Speaker 1>this film. These two cowboys filmed what looks like a

446
00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:05.720
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot out in California. That's their reality a lot of

447
00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:07.759
<v Speaker 1>times when it comes to Bigfoot. But if you go

448
00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:10.680
<v Speaker 1>out and start searching tons of things, hopefully my show

449
00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:12.799
<v Speaker 1>comes up in a bigfoot search when people are looking

450
00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:16.839
<v Speaker 1>for Bigfoot. But it does, in my opinion, pull away

451
00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:20.079
<v Speaker 1>from the BFRO database and some of the other databases

452
00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:23.880
<v Speaker 1>that may be collecting these stories. Because again I said

453
00:23:23.920 --> 00:23:26.599
<v Speaker 1>it earlier, I think a lot of people forego reporting

454
00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:30.880
<v Speaker 1>to the BFRO. I've had experiences, tons of experiences. Guess

455
00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:35.440
<v Speaker 1>how many times I've reported it to the BFRO exactly zero, Right,

456
00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:37.319
<v Speaker 1>I report it on my show. I talk about it

457
00:23:37.319 --> 00:23:39.359
<v Speaker 1>on my show because I have that platform to do that.

458
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:41.680
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know that I would even report it

459
00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:44.440
<v Speaker 1>to the BFRO had I not started this podcast and

460
00:23:44.519 --> 00:23:47.559
<v Speaker 1>have this platform to talk about my experiences, I don't

461
00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:50.599
<v Speaker 1>know that I would, so it's not getting documented. I

462
00:23:50.640 --> 00:23:53.119
<v Speaker 1>had experiences out in the Pacific Northwest a couple of

463
00:23:53.200 --> 00:23:56.519
<v Speaker 1>months ago that completely changed my life and changed my

464
00:23:56.599 --> 00:23:59.920
<v Speaker 1>perspective on these creatures being real, and I haven't reported

465
00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:04.079
<v Speaker 1>that to the BFRO or anybody. Frankly, haven't even talked

466
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:06.319
<v Speaker 1>about it on the show yet. I think that does

467
00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:09.319
<v Speaker 1>a lot of things. I think Bigfoot in general is

468
00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:12.119
<v Speaker 1>in everybody's home. I think you can go into any

469
00:24:12.119 --> 00:24:15.759
<v Speaker 1>household nowadays in the United States across the board, mom

470
00:24:15.799 --> 00:24:18.640
<v Speaker 1>and two kids and a dad, all four of them

471
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:21.119
<v Speaker 1>on some level. If the kids are old enough to talk,

472
00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:24.400
<v Speaker 1>they're going to know something about Bigfoot. It's out there

473
00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:27.240
<v Speaker 1>in that way. But when it comes down to where

474
00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:29.240
<v Speaker 1>do you report these kind of things or do you

475
00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:33.119
<v Speaker 1>report a potential siding or an experience that you heard

476
00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:35.559
<v Speaker 1>something in the woods or something weird happened where something

477
00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:37.440
<v Speaker 1>was throwing rocks and there was no people around.

478
00:24:38.000 --> 00:24:40.279
<v Speaker 3>Do those people report that? I don't think so.

479
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:42.720
<v Speaker 1>I think it's been a double edged sword with shows

480
00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:45.839
<v Speaker 1>like Finding Bigfoot and Expedition Bigfoot, and all the documentaries

481
00:24:45.839 --> 00:24:48.960
<v Speaker 1>that people have done, and podcasts frankly that document these

482
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:52.200
<v Speaker 1>kind of experiences. They're a great repository because I can

483
00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:54.839
<v Speaker 1>tell you I'm five hundred plus episodes of my show.

484
00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:57.519
<v Speaker 1>There are other podcasts out there that have over a

485
00:24:57.599 --> 00:25:01.039
<v Speaker 1>thousand episodes of Bigfoot encounters. They're not all on the

486
00:25:01.079 --> 00:25:05.720
<v Speaker 1>BFRO website. To your point earlier, it's very difficult to

487
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.640
<v Speaker 1>gather any data from those. They're entertaining. They're great, and

488
00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:10.920
<v Speaker 1>you can go back and compare them to the data

489
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:13.079
<v Speaker 1>that you might get on the BFRO website. But I

490
00:25:13.160 --> 00:25:16.599
<v Speaker 1>think by and large, people have just shied away from,

491
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:20.119
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason, reporting those. Then I had a conversation

492
00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:23.079
<v Speaker 1>with somebody this morning, David Bakara, who owns the Bigfoot

493
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.200
<v Speaker 1>Museum out in Blue Ridge, Georgia. He's going to come

494
00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:28.720
<v Speaker 1>on the show and share some of the amazing stories

495
00:25:28.759 --> 00:25:30.799
<v Speaker 1>he's collected there in Blue Ridge and some of the

496
00:25:30.880 --> 00:25:35.319
<v Speaker 1>experiences he had as a BFRO investigator. David came up

497
00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:37.680
<v Speaker 1>with this, and I know it's not necessarily in the data,

498
00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:40.559
<v Speaker 1>but I wanted to know if you considered this. David

499
00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:43.640
<v Speaker 1>thinks that these things, to my surprise, I didn't really

500
00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:45.319
<v Speaker 1>know where he stood on this until this morning when

501
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:47.160
<v Speaker 1>we had a conversation and he asked me where I

502
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:50.599
<v Speaker 1>was on Bigfoot. Do I think it's some sort of

503
00:25:50.599 --> 00:25:53.200
<v Speaker 1>a relict tominoid. Do I think it's a great ape?

504
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:54.920
<v Speaker 1>You know what I think these things are? And I

505
00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:57.400
<v Speaker 1>told him where I stand, very flesh and blood. I

506
00:25:57.400 --> 00:25:59.759
<v Speaker 1>think there's some sort of a relic tominid. And he

507
00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:02.720
<v Speaker 1>was surprised by that because he thinks it's complete opposite.

508
00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.160
<v Speaker 1>He thinks these things are way more, there's way more

509
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>to them than this flesh and blood creature. But he

510
00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:12.720
<v Speaker 1>mentioned to me that he and other BFRO investigators have

511
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.480
<v Speaker 1>experienced over the years the fact that people are having

512
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:19.960
<v Speaker 1>weird experiences in relation to Bigfoot, and it doesn't necessarily

513
00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:22.960
<v Speaker 1>fit the BFRO narrative, so they toss it out with

514
00:26:23.000 --> 00:26:27.160
<v Speaker 1>the bathwater. It never makes it into the reports. Somebody says,

515
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:31.680
<v Speaker 1>I saw this eight foot tall, hairy bipedal creature that

516
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:35.440
<v Speaker 1>had glowing red eyes. Sometimes the glowing red eyes part

517
00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:38.039
<v Speaker 1>doesn't make it in there. I guess the question for

518
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.720
<v Speaker 1>you is, obviously, I don't know if you ran across

519
00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:43.200
<v Speaker 1>anything that stood out to you in the database as

520
00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:47.599
<v Speaker 1>far as the overall data that you were mining, Was

521
00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:49.839
<v Speaker 1>there weird things that you picked up on on the

522
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.920
<v Speaker 1>BFRO website and where are you in general on that

523
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:55.000
<v Speaker 1>and how that fits into the data set that we

524
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:56.039
<v Speaker 1>have on Bigfoot.

525
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:58.920
<v Speaker 4>I guess my view is it's a reddit a minute.

526
00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:01.960
<v Speaker 4>My mind is always open. What's to say that there

527
00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.079
<v Speaker 4>aren't an alien race that is walking through the forest

528
00:27:05.119 --> 00:27:05.519
<v Speaker 4>as well?

529
00:27:05.839 --> 00:27:06.680
<v Speaker 3>Who happened as well?

530
00:27:06.720 --> 00:27:06.839
<v Speaker 5>There?

531
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:08.920
<v Speaker 4>You could have multiple things, And I know you can't

532
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:12.359
<v Speaker 4>really start a theory by you're starting the theory with

533
00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:15.680
<v Speaker 4>something that technically doesn't exist at most people and then say, oh,

534
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.440
<v Speaker 4>it could be multiple things. But I guess the interesting

535
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:22.240
<v Speaker 4>thing for me was I did run a formula on

536
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:26.400
<v Speaker 4>words to come up in the report. So there are

537
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.799
<v Speaker 4>things in here such as running that came up two

538
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:33.119
<v Speaker 4>fifty five times, deer one thousand, three hundred times. The

539
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:38.559
<v Speaker 4>typical things that we as a community understand about Bigfoot

540
00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:42.079
<v Speaker 4>were coming up. When I put in cloaking, I got

541
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:44.440
<v Speaker 4>a zero return, and when I put in mind speak,

542
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:48.119
<v Speaker 4>I got a zero return. So that probably does reflect

543
00:27:48.279 --> 00:27:51.839
<v Speaker 4>that conversation that you've had, because maybe people just don't

544
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.799
<v Speaker 4>approach the BFO if they have a for wanter of

545
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:58.960
<v Speaker 4>their woo event or something that they can't explain. It

546
00:27:59.039 --> 00:28:01.759
<v Speaker 4>is interesting. There are so many words that I searched

547
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:04.720
<v Speaker 4>that came back at least five hundred times, and you

548
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.599
<v Speaker 4>start looking at things that you would think that they eat,

549
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:10.599
<v Speaker 4>so rabbits, elk hogs, they were all coming back over

550
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:14.200
<v Speaker 4>one hundred times from various different reports, so nearly people

551
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:16.279
<v Speaker 4>that there is a connection there. And those trends were

552
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:18.319
<v Speaker 4>really interesting for me because it tells you a lot

553
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:23.240
<v Speaker 4>about habitat, location, behavior, and diet of these animals, stuff

554
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.440
<v Speaker 4>that perhaps we just take for granted because if you've

555
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:28.839
<v Speaker 4>been in bigfooting for a while and you've been listening

556
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:30.400
<v Speaker 4>to a lot of things, you would just assume that

557
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:32.720
<v Speaker 4>all the things would be in there. But it's quite

558
00:28:32.799 --> 00:28:35.279
<v Speaker 4>nice to actually go in there and find it, and

559
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:39.319
<v Speaker 4>it does tell that story. I think it's a relict hominid.

560
00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:41.359
<v Speaker 4>I guess I've got a story to tell. When I

561
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:44.079
<v Speaker 4>was younger, I grew up in Somerset in England. In

562
00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:45.759
<v Speaker 4>my village, I was going for a walk along the

563
00:28:45.759 --> 00:28:48.079
<v Speaker 4>canal one day and all of a sudden I saw

564
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:51.519
<v Speaker 4>a wallabee stick its head up of a cornfield and

565
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:54.920
<v Speaker 4>I thought a wallabee or cut kangaroo. I didn't know

566
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:57.000
<v Speaker 4>it was either a wallaby or a kangaroo I saw

567
00:28:57.039 --> 00:29:00.279
<v Speaker 4>in this cornfield and I thought, oh my god. It

568
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:02.960
<v Speaker 4>was like, that's not in the right place. It shouldn't

569
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:06.839
<v Speaker 4>be there. What's that doing in England? But it wasn't

570
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:09.480
<v Speaker 4>until I got home I realized there actually are populations

571
00:29:09.480 --> 00:29:12.640
<v Speaker 4>of walla bees in Somerset and there are some in Derbyshire,

572
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.359
<v Speaker 4>and no doubt they're somewhere in between. That sort of

573
00:29:17.079 --> 00:29:19.960
<v Speaker 4>placement of something that shouldn't be there, that shock for me.

574
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.839
<v Speaker 4>I guess some of the interpretations of what might be

575
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:29.079
<v Speaker 4>regarded as wo might just be the shock, the sort

576
00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:32.680
<v Speaker 4>of emotional shock to the individual and then their perceptions

577
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:35.920
<v Speaker 4>altered by what they're seeing. Because it's dark, you may

578
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.240
<v Speaker 4>have a bit of rain, visibility might not be that great.

579
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:40.960
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's a difficult one.

580
00:29:41.000 --> 00:29:43.799
<v Speaker 4>I'd like to keep my mind open, but certainly from

581
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:45.960
<v Speaker 4>looking at the data centers there we can rule out

582
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:47.039
<v Speaker 4>cloaking and mind speak.

583
00:29:47.079 --> 00:29:48.960
<v Speaker 3>That's not to say that they weren't in the original

584
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:50.799
<v Speaker 3>reports that were submitted.

585
00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.400
<v Speaker 1>That's interesting you say that I was in summerset looking

586
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>at a conference and I saw no wallabies.

587
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:56.880
<v Speaker 3>I'm going to be back over there.

588
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Next year, probably in May, so I'm definitely going to

589
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.960
<v Speaker 1>keep my head on a swivel looking for possible wallaby sidings.

590
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:04.920
<v Speaker 1>You mentioned a couple of things there that I want

591
00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:08.039
<v Speaker 1>to talk about. Let's talk about the size, just to

592
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:10.319
<v Speaker 1>continue the thought process you were going through there with

593
00:30:10.720 --> 00:30:14.880
<v Speaker 1>people in their sidings and how things, depending on the conditions,

594
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.759
<v Speaker 1>can get misconstrued over time as people tell their stories.

595
00:30:18.880 --> 00:30:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I've gotten a lot of flak recently for some of

596
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:23.359
<v Speaker 1>the comments that I've made on of their podcast. I've

597
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>been a guest on some of the live shows we've

598
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.960
<v Speaker 1>done recently saying, look, I don't think these things are

599
00:30:28.039 --> 00:30:31.359
<v Speaker 1>necessarily ten or twelve feet tall. Some people have reported them.

600
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:33.839
<v Speaker 1>Let's start there. I don't know if you have this

601
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:36.440
<v Speaker 1>or not. As far as the data that you've compiled

602
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:39.519
<v Speaker 1>from the BFROO website, as far as an average height

603
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 1>that people are reporting based on the totality of all

604
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:45.279
<v Speaker 1>the sidings, maybe across the lower forty eight, and how

605
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.759
<v Speaker 1>that would possibly compare with some of the outstanding, what

606
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.839
<v Speaker 1>I would call more sensational stories of people saying these

607
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:54.599
<v Speaker 1>things are ten twelve feet tall. I personally think they're

608
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.279
<v Speaker 1>probably more along the average of what I use as

609
00:30:57.319 --> 00:30:59.279
<v Speaker 1>six and a half to seven and a half feet tall,

610
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:03.319
<v Speaker 1>and a lot of that extra height gets added on

611
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:07.559
<v Speaker 1>with the fear factor and maybe the conditions people not

612
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:10.880
<v Speaker 1>being a very good judge of height and weight those

613
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:13.759
<v Speaker 1>kind of things, because most people aren't. I was a

614
00:31:13.799 --> 00:31:16.039
<v Speaker 1>cop and we were trained if we had to give

615
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:19.799
<v Speaker 1>a split second identification of somebody who was shooting at us,

616
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:21.759
<v Speaker 1>who was running from the scene, we had to be

617
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty good at saying the guy's six foot one, approximately

618
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:28.319
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and fifty pounds, wearing dark clothing, red shoes.

619
00:31:28.519 --> 00:31:31.519
<v Speaker 1>Most people don't do that in their daily lives. If

620
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:33.880
<v Speaker 1>your job is not to give those kind of descriptions,

621
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.279
<v Speaker 1>it's difficult for people to do, especially in a high

622
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>stress situation. Did you find anything in the data as

623
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.599
<v Speaker 1>far as maybe an average height and or weight of

624
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:44.960
<v Speaker 1>what people are describing for these things, and do you

625
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.359
<v Speaker 1>think it's possible that some of those people that are

626
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 1>saying these things were nine ten twelve feet tall, maybe

627
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:52.920
<v Speaker 1>they were closer to seven feet tall, and there might

628
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>be some other things going on that's affecting how they're

629
00:31:56.480 --> 00:31:58.039
<v Speaker 1>looking at how tall this thing might have been.

630
00:31:58.200 --> 00:31:58.839
<v Speaker 3>That makes sense.

631
00:31:59.480 --> 00:32:02.720
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so, I'll be honest, I'm still populating the sized data.

632
00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:06.160
<v Speaker 4>I'm still pulling that out to expand the data set,

633
00:32:06.240 --> 00:32:09.240
<v Speaker 4>but I haven't come across a ten or.

634
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:10.920
<v Speaker 3>Twelve foot report as yet.

635
00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.559
<v Speaker 4>Is probably in the ballpart you're talking around to around

636
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.839
<v Speaker 4>us six foot, seven foot eight foot.

637
00:32:17.440 --> 00:32:18.519
<v Speaker 3>That's about it so far.

638
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:20.119
<v Speaker 4>That's not to say that there won't be a whole

639
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:24.400
<v Speaker 4>section of reports of larger animals. You've got to take

640
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 4>into account things such as if it's uphill from you

641
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.000
<v Speaker 4>and you're looking up a hill, you're going to make

642
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:34.720
<v Speaker 4>it taller because of your perception because it's up on

643
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:37.799
<v Speaker 4>the hill looking down on you, and that perception in

644
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.480
<v Speaker 4>itself is going to make you feel that it's a

645
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:43.839
<v Speaker 4>lot bigger than you, as opposed to being a bit bigger.

646
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:46.759
<v Speaker 4>The factors like that to consider. I wouldn't want to

647
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:49.079
<v Speaker 4>throw it out completely because quite a lot of people

648
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:51.359
<v Speaker 4>say they go along with a yardstick or something and

649
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:54.759
<v Speaker 4>actually measure where a tree or branch was. But from

650
00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.480
<v Speaker 4>what I've seen so far, and perhaps I just need

651
00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:00.519
<v Speaker 4>to do a recap report at some point, added in

652
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:02.720
<v Speaker 4>a bit more, because, like I said, this is just

653
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:03.599
<v Speaker 4>the tip of the iceberg.

654
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:05.440
<v Speaker 3>I think we can get a lot more out of this.

655
00:33:06.200 --> 00:33:08.480
<v Speaker 4>We do need more reports, but certainly out the data

656
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:10.200
<v Speaker 4>that exists can put out quite a bit.

657
00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:13.359
<v Speaker 1>One more question. You mentioned in the summary or towards

658
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>the end of the report you talk a little bit

659
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>about the Patterson Gimbler film. You talk a little bit

660
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:20.720
<v Speaker 1>about the Legend of Boggie Creek. Infamously, I have been

661
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.559
<v Speaker 1>accused of not being a real Bigfoot researcher because I

662
00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:27.160
<v Speaker 1>had not seen the Legend of Boggie Creek until recently.

663
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.079
<v Speaker 1>I think it was probably three or four months ago

664
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.480
<v Speaker 1>that Wayne and I actually were texting back and forth

665
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:33.440
<v Speaker 1>and we decided we were going to watch it at

666
00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.279
<v Speaker 1>the same time, so we watched it in the same night.

667
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.119
<v Speaker 1>We actually did an entire episode of that Bigfoot podcast

668
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:38.759
<v Speaker 1>about the.

669
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 3>Legend of Boggie Creek.

670
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.319
<v Speaker 1>Frankly, I wasn't impressed with the movie. I don't know

671
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:45.039
<v Speaker 1>if it was just I'm watching it in twenty twenty

672
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:47.960
<v Speaker 1>four versus in the seventies when it initially came out.

673
00:33:48.000 --> 00:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that has a lot to do with it.

674
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.160
<v Speaker 1>I found it cheesy. But here's the thing that I

675
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:53.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't find cheesy, and I want to talk a little

676
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:57.400
<v Speaker 1>bit about strictly the data. If you compare and I

677
00:33:57.440 --> 00:34:00.400
<v Speaker 1>did this. I wrote down an entire litany of things

678
00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:02.720
<v Speaker 1>that I took notes while I was watching this film

679
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:07.559
<v Speaker 1>that are repeated over and over again in modern day

680
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:10.559
<v Speaker 1>citing accounts, whether they're shared on a podcast with me

681
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:14.159
<v Speaker 1>or other shows, or whether they're on the BFRO website.

682
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>This is one of the things that I brought up,

683
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:18.719
<v Speaker 1>which was not a very popular thing to say, But

684
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:22.400
<v Speaker 1>I stand by what I believe. I think most people

685
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.000
<v Speaker 1>who report seeing a bigfoot or having an encounter with

686
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:27.280
<v Speaker 1>a big foot are being completely genuine and honest. Do

687
00:34:27.360 --> 00:34:29.599
<v Speaker 1>they believe that they saw what they think they saw

688
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:32.480
<v Speaker 1>or experienced what they experienced. They may not be sure

689
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Speaker 1>exactly what it is what they heard or.

690
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:35.119
<v Speaker 3>What they saw.

691
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:37.239
<v Speaker 1>The buy and large, I think those people are genuine.

692
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're making that up whole cloth. There

693
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.079
<v Speaker 1>are parts I think that might get stretched, like those

694
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:44.280
<v Speaker 1>fishing stories. Right, it was six and a half feet

695
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.159
<v Speaker 1>tall and then by the time you tell three people

696
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:49.320
<v Speaker 1>it's nine feet tall. The gist of what they're saying

697
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:51.639
<v Speaker 1>is true. Here's what I found with the Legend of

698
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Buggie Creek. And I've done no statistical analysis. I'm not

699
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.159
<v Speaker 1>a data guy. This would be something for you to do.

700
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:00.159
<v Speaker 1>But I guarantee you if you watch the Legend to

701
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Boggie Creek and you take notes about what is allegedly

702
00:35:04.400 --> 00:35:08.639
<v Speaker 1>going on in those sightings. Then I initially asked the

703
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>question on the show when I talked about this with Wayne,

704
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:13.559
<v Speaker 1>did the person who wrote this movie just make this

705
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>stuff up? When I did a little digging, they actually

706
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:18.719
<v Speaker 1>did take reports from the surrounding area and things that

707
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:24.000
<v Speaker 1>were actually going on, somewhat real to life scenarios and

708
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.639
<v Speaker 1>portrayed those in the movie. But in the data today,

709
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:31.280
<v Speaker 1>you have those boxes that you check from what happened

710
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:34.480
<v Speaker 1>in the Legend of Boggie Creek. Everything went quiet, The

711
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 1>woods were alive, and then they just went quiet. Even

712
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.440
<v Speaker 1>the cricket stopped and there was a bigfoot. You have

713
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:45.039
<v Speaker 1>the smell, you have the vocalizations, you have the eerie feeling,

714
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.159
<v Speaker 1>the hair standing up on the back of all of

715
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>these things. When it comes to the data, how much

716
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:51.840
<v Speaker 1>of that I don't even know if you can really

717
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.679
<v Speaker 1>answer this question outside of just being subjective and giving

718
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:57.800
<v Speaker 1>your opinion. How much of the data that you see

719
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.320
<v Speaker 1>or hear on podcasts and even on the BFRO website.

720
00:36:01.559 --> 00:36:03.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to think of how to phrase this to

721
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:05.719
<v Speaker 1>make sense. How much of that data do you think

722
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.880
<v Speaker 1>is really happening to people? And how many people do

723
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.239
<v Speaker 1>you think may have watched the Legend of Boggie Creek

724
00:36:11.320 --> 00:36:14.199
<v Speaker 1>or some of these other things and they're incorporating that

725
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.679
<v Speaker 1>in the story because they feel like that's what's supposed

726
00:36:16.719 --> 00:36:18.800
<v Speaker 1>to be happening while they're having that experience. I know

727
00:36:18.840 --> 00:36:21.199
<v Speaker 1>it's very difficult to just look at raw data and

728
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.599
<v Speaker 1>extrapolate that, but you do listen to podcasts and you

729
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:25.400
<v Speaker 1>listen to other things, and you hear a lot of

730
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Speaker 1>people tell their stories. Do you think that plays a

731
00:36:28.440 --> 00:36:31.199
<v Speaker 1>part in some of the modern day sightings that because

732
00:36:31.199 --> 00:36:32.760
<v Speaker 1>I asked people on the show, Hey, they're going to

733
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:36.119
<v Speaker 1>share an experience that they had maybe ten years ago.

734
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.440
<v Speaker 1>What got you interested in the subject? Oh, I watched

735
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:40.280
<v Speaker 1>the Legend of Boggie Creek when I was a kid,

736
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:42.559
<v Speaker 1>and then I watched Monster Quests, and then I watched

737
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:46.039
<v Speaker 1>Finding Bigfoot, and I watched all these shows. I feel

738
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:49.360
<v Speaker 1>like that has at least some effect, even if it's

739
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:53.280
<v Speaker 1>subconsciously on some of the things that we hear today

740
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.840
<v Speaker 1>during some of these encounter reports that people share. How

741
00:36:56.920 --> 00:36:58.519
<v Speaker 1>much of that do you think has made its way

742
00:36:58.559 --> 00:36:59.239
<v Speaker 1>into the data?

743
00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:02.400
<v Speaker 4>A little bit, Yeah, I am certainly from reading the

744
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:05.400
<v Speaker 4>reports you can get a sense of there are stories

745
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:10.320
<v Speaker 4>where there's almost too much information, so you think, oh,

746
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.480
<v Speaker 4>they've given a really good account of their observation. I

747
00:37:13.599 --> 00:37:17.840
<v Speaker 4>think in reality, to have that much information from what

748
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:21.119
<v Speaker 4>sometimes is a fleeting moment, maybe a bit too much,

749
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.239
<v Speaker 4>that the story might be a bit embellished in that sense.

750
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:28.599
<v Speaker 4>So I think there is some subconscious aspect that's rolling

751
00:37:28.599 --> 00:37:30.760
<v Speaker 4>into the reports. I couldn't say it was for every

752
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:33.199
<v Speaker 4>single one. Some of them are quite short and to

753
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 4>the point we saw it, run across the road, stood up,

754
00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.679
<v Speaker 4>looked at us, ran across the road. You can tell

755
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:42.880
<v Speaker 4>some of the reports that told by people who probably

756
00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 4>have been on podcasts afterwards, because they seemed like a

757
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:46.920
<v Speaker 4>natural storyteller.

758
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:48.480
<v Speaker 3>They set the scene.

759
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.360
<v Speaker 4>They're driving in a car, they're going camping for the weekend,

760
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:54.440
<v Speaker 4>and everything about that person and the people they're with,

761
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.480
<v Speaker 4>which is quite nice because that's what we like hearing

762
00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:59.320
<v Speaker 4>on the podcast as well, But yeah, I think it's

763
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:03.360
<v Speaker 4>probably a mix. Obviously, there's always going to be those influences,

764
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.119
<v Speaker 4>I think now more than ever because of the amount

765
00:38:06.119 --> 00:38:10.039
<v Speaker 4>of exposure things like in Bigfoot and Expedition Bigfitt. Certainly

766
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:13.079
<v Speaker 4>for me, Legend of Boogie Creek. I've still not seen it,

767
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:16.840
<v Speaker 4>but although my son's quite into poor Bigfoot movies, we've

768
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.800
<v Speaker 4>watched a couple recently and he really enjoyed it, like

769
00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:22.519
<v Speaker 4>really bad, cgi gorilla.

770
00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:23.519
<v Speaker 3>Like thing ripping things down.

771
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:25.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm sure we will watch it at some point, perhaps

772
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:26.840
<v Speaker 4>when he's a little bit older.

773
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:28.760
<v Speaker 3>He won't go through the woods with me anymore.

774
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.039
<v Speaker 1>We're going to have to throw out everything you've said

775
00:38:31.039 --> 00:38:32.960
<v Speaker 1>for the last forty minutes because you can't be a

776
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.360
<v Speaker 1>real researcher if you've not seen the Legend of Boggy Greek.

777
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:37.719
<v Speaker 1>So I'm sorry, folks, I didn't vet him another fortunate

778
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.440
<v Speaker 1>with him on the show. Everything that Neil had to

779
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.719
<v Speaker 1>say was complete horseshit. I'm just kidding the last thing.

780
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'll leave it with you. Final thoughts on

781
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:49.639
<v Speaker 1>your analysis of everything that you've been able to look at.

782
00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:52.599
<v Speaker 1>What's next is for is your research into the subject

783
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 1>of bigfoot.

784
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:57.719
<v Speaker 4>I really think that there's some scope to span factors

785
00:38:57.760 --> 00:38:59.920
<v Speaker 4>such as how many witnesses were there? Will that give

786
00:38:59.920 --> 00:39:03.239
<v Speaker 4>me more credibility to certain stories. How many Big football

787
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:06.519
<v Speaker 4>winners did they see a female with a juvenile? That

788
00:39:06.679 --> 00:39:10.039
<v Speaker 4>combination of what people have seen and where they saw it,

789
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.440
<v Speaker 4>because if there's I'm not sure I've delved into the counties,

790
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.880
<v Speaker 4>but Pierce County in Washington was the most likely county

791
00:39:17.920 --> 00:39:20.840
<v Speaker 4>to have a sighting. If you could pin it down

792
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:24.280
<v Speaker 4>to that county and you had a trend where people

793
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 4>were saying they were seeing juveniles and a mother, you

794
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:30.039
<v Speaker 4>could say, Okay, maybe they're nesting somewhere around there, and

795
00:39:30.320 --> 00:39:33.119
<v Speaker 4>maybe we can focus our efforts on that. And I

796
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:36.599
<v Speaker 4>think that's the powerful thing. With five thousand reports spread

797
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:38.960
<v Speaker 4>across the whole of the US, you can get some

798
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:40.960
<v Speaker 4>good trends at the sort of macro level, but the

799
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:43.639
<v Speaker 4>micro level, once you start diving down into the hotspots,

800
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.880
<v Speaker 4>you really don't have a great deal of data that aligned.

801
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:48.559
<v Speaker 3>It's quite random.

802
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 4>You might get your house, you might get your footprints,

803
00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:54.559
<v Speaker 4>but that correlation is diluted, and that's why we need

804
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.679
<v Speaker 4>more reports in the same place. I don't want to

805
00:39:57.679 --> 00:40:00.079
<v Speaker 4>do a disservice to podcasts because I love podcasts a

806
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.519
<v Speaker 4>big part of my life and TV as well. That's

807
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:04.639
<v Speaker 4>why I like the bigfoot Man project as well. But

808
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.079
<v Speaker 4>he's obviously trying to do a similar sort of thing

809
00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:10.719
<v Speaker 4>with pulling that data sets together, and I quite like

810
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:13.079
<v Speaker 4>looking at that on a weekly basis, just to see

811
00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:15.719
<v Speaker 4>what new reports came in that week. And I think

812
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:18.039
<v Speaker 4>the other week there was like a blonde sess question

813
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:21.679
<v Speaker 4>for oh in Utah, and it's just things like that

814
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:23.639
<v Speaker 4>are quite exciting to read it on a sort of

815
00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:26.559
<v Speaker 4>live basis. I haven't actually checked that report to see

816
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:28.880
<v Speaker 4>if it's gone into the BFRO database, but it'd be

817
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:32.199
<v Speaker 4>interesting to see if that has gone in there. So

818
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:34.920
<v Speaker 4>I'm not sure if I really included on everything that

819
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:36.280
<v Speaker 4>I think I've probably went off with a bit of

820
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:39.960
<v Speaker 4>a tangent, but I think in terms of what's next, Brian, yeah,

821
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:42.159
<v Speaker 4>I want to look more at the database. But I

822
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:44.559
<v Speaker 4>did have this strange thought about being in the UK,

823
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:48.159
<v Speaker 4>being in Wales and potentially trying to make a case

824
00:40:48.199 --> 00:40:52.280
<v Speaker 4>for a statistical model that we could support a relict

825
00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:57.039
<v Speaker 4>commented in Wales or the UK Scotland. Yeah, because I've

826
00:40:57.199 --> 00:40:58.920
<v Speaker 4>been looking at some data sets for that as well.

827
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.519
<v Speaker 4>I think we lost a million and sheep over the

828
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:04.800
<v Speaker 4>last year or the year before that. Deer populations have

829
00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:08.159
<v Speaker 4>been increasing year on year for a long time, so there's.

830
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 3>Plenty of stuff out there. We have loads of berries.

831
00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.639
<v Speaker 4>From a Welsh perspective, we've got a lot of people

832
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:17.840
<v Speaker 4>in cities in the south, and then you've got your

833
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:22.639
<v Speaker 4>valleys and mountains where it's quite sparse. You've got areas

834
00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 4>of really dense tree canopy where people just don't go.

835
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:30.440
<v Speaker 4>A lot of our roads have been carved out because

836
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.039
<v Speaker 4>a lot of time, if you're going somewhere else, you

837
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.519
<v Speaker 4>have to go the long way around. There's potential there.

838
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:36.559
<v Speaker 4>It's a bit of.

839
00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:37.239
<v Speaker 3>A mad idea.

840
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.440
<v Speaker 4>I'd like to build a model that thought says, yes,

841
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:43.159
<v Speaker 4>we could support a relict hominid in the right conditions.

842
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.159
<v Speaker 4>It was a group of people who decided to break

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<v Speaker 4>away from society in Wales and they went and lived

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<v Speaker 4>at the top of the mountain. I think it's near Pembroke, Pembrokeshire.

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<v Speaker 4>They were living there for five years before they got

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<v Speaker 4>discovered living in hobbit homes in the last twenty years,

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<v Speaker 4>and it was only a survey plane going over the

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<v Speaker 4>top that picked up that they were there, And then

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<v Speaker 4>there was a lot of discussion with the councils. I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's a nature reserve and they're saying you can't

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<v Speaker 4>live here, But over time they said, as long as

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<v Speaker 4>you look after the forest, you can live here. But

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<v Speaker 4>I think that's a good example of people can go

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<v Speaker 4>off grid and nobody know that they're there. If they

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<v Speaker 4>can be there at the top of a mountain, why

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<v Speaker 4>could a bigfoot not be there, or probably a smaller version.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you definitely have to put that together, man,

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<v Speaker 1>because I'd tell you when I was over in the

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<v Speaker 1>Somerset Bridgewater area earlier this summer, I was shocked to

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<v Speaker 1>go out into the woods and see the conditions out there,

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<v Speaker 1>and frankly, I could see a bigfoot living in that

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<v Speaker 1>area and something was dragging sheep through a fenix. There

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<v Speaker 1>was tons of bones carcasses that we found in this area.

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<v Speaker 1>I said to the locals. I said to Daniel and

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<v Speaker 1>some of his family, Dude, what kind of predators you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have over here? That could pull a four or

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred pound sheet through and kill it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like we have fox over here. That's it. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just far.

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked to people since then that say there's tons

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<v Speaker 1>of big cats over there. People say they're not there,

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<v Speaker 1>but they are. People see them and have experiences with

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<v Speaker 1>big cats, so that would make sense to me. But

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<v Speaker 1>something was dragging these sheep through this fence area and

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<v Speaker 1>killing them, clearly and eating them. Because there's piles of

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<v Speaker 1>bones everywhere. You definitely need to put that together. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it is certainly a possibility over there. It's highly improbable,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think it's impossible that these things could

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<v Speaker 1>exist in the.

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<v Speaker 3>UK on some levels.

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<v Speaker 1>Neil, I really appreciate you coming on the show man.

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<v Speaker 1>I've had a blast talking to you. I'm sure there's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be tons of questions and we'll certainly have

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<v Speaker 1>to have you back at some point in time, and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I think it'd be great to do a live

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<v Speaker 1>show and give people the opportunity to ask them questions

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<v Speaker 1>and maybe share some of their own data sets. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it'd be a cool conversation man, So thanks so

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<v Speaker 1>much for coming on.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you, Brian.

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<v Speaker 5>They say you don't got to go home but you

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<v Speaker 5>can't stays joy.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a child that chard everything.

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<v Speaker 6>Call it right back, ride back.

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<v Speaker 3>No joy for me.

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<v Speaker 6>Joy, stay right there, you come it right away. Still still.

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<v Speaker 2>S s s.

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<v Speaker 6>S S says.

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<v Speaker 3>Things to come, doss

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<v Speaker 6>Games and sssssssss
