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Speaker 1: What's he throughout the impossible or whatever I made the improbable.

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Speaker 2: Most be true?

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Speaker 3: Then it is not a question of the libero cultism.

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All a touch of mysticism is today it is Empires

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as a host of them souls, hellophaps, my father, spirit

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dud for a certain termed more than night.

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Speaker 4: Here the old gods aren't dead?

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Speaker 5: And what is the true God?

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Speaker 1: When he's dead? You can't complain?

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Speaker 6: People assume the time is a strict progression of cause

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to effect, but actually from a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint,

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it's more like a big ball of wibby wobbly thymy

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wymy stuff.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to Paranormal UK Radio.

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Speaker 4: Hi, everybody, This is Aaron Allen from the Paranormal UK

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Radio Show, the flagship show to the Paranormal UK Radio Network,

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and I'm here today with Mark Johnson. Which is gonna

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be a bit Mark. Mark's gonna be a bit difficult,

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isn't it? Because we've got two Marks now, So I'm

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not going to call you Markael Farkele.

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Speaker 2: What you've called me? Yeah? Mark one and Mark two.

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There we go a lot worse names.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that a couple of calls?

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Speaker 2: One? What too. Well, just so that people aren't confused

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right away, we'll go right into introducing our guest tonight

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is Mark Manning. Now, Mark, who's a resident of Ireland,

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Is has joined the parent Paranormal UK Radio network with

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a brand new show, Scary and I hate to as

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I'm American. Sorry, scary Air.

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then say it fast.

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Speaker 4: Era scary era, no era error.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think we should explain as well that era

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is the Celtic word of Gaelic word for Ireland.

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Speaker 2: Yes for for you know, coluts the Americans like myself.

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Speaker 4: Mark, I still have to explain it all later, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I know. Oh well, anyway, but Mark is joining

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us with his brand new show, which the premiere episode

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is already out. It's going to be releasing a show

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bi weekly. So Mark, we're just glad to have you

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Speaker 1: I'm delighted to be here and thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: One, Mark two. I can't do this.

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Speaker 1: I'calore Nora Irene. I suggest that I am. You can

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call me Charlie for tonight. That's what they did in

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in Juranne Duran. You know they had a problem that

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Simon Lebon and someone and the crew called Simon and

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eventually Simon Lebon is now known as Charlie. So I'll

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be Charlie in this conversation.

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Speaker 4: Please, Okay, Charlie all right, much better? Yeah, yeah, I

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like that. Charlie Charles Charlie the honor of Charlie. Okay,

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Charlie Charlie for tonight.

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Speaker 4: Yes, I was gonna ask you the show the show is?

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What's the show? It's all about the folklore of Ireland.

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Speaker 1: Well, Irene. It's a mixed it's a mixed bag. But

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essentially I wouldn't be doing a paranormal show at all, right,

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I would be like everybody else with my eyes shot

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unless I had I hadn't seen what I saw in

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the late late seventies. So I'm a convert with an

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open mind. So it'll cover a variety of things. Anything

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of course, that people want to contribute, that's what I

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really need, and they can get us at Paranormal Ireland

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at ProtonMail dot com for any Irish related stories, back

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in your ancestry or whatever. So yes, it would cover

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everything from I suppose you know, the little people to ghosts, sailors, soldiers, persecution,

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all the all the stuff that makes up the rich

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tapestry of Ireland.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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this old British Army House in what was formerly known

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as porta Bellow Barracks that had been occupied by the

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English or the British troops for one hundreds and twelve

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one hundred and twelve years, and it was when I

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part of a terrace or a block pardoned upon which

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of one side of the barracks, and adjacent adjacent to

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plans of it as well. Originally there was a there

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was an officers mess there. Getting to the point, there

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known the late Terry Wogan right and the master bedroom

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looked right out over a field and across the field

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there was a church and that's where Terry Wogan got married.

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sun at all, it would only be in the morning,

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sharing it with a sister, little sisters two years younger

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than me, and I woke up around early ish. I'd say,

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either stone tape theory in action or a replaying of something.

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another time. There was the long blue I know it's

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a bit cliched, but she had the long blue cloak.

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menacing or threatening about her, and a pale faced and

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long dark hair, which actually my mother had long black hair,

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but it wasn't her. This lady was, as I said,

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from another era. And do you know, guys, I was

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offered that room when I was twenty four years of

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age and I wouldn't take it right. So that's the

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effect it had on me. But she was looking at

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me essentially just serenely looking at me from the doorway

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of the master bedroom, and eye contact did not last

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too long, I can tell you, but what I saw

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was enough to convince me of what I saw. The

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hair does stand up on your head, It actually does.

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resurfaced equally as gingerly. Some hours later, probably came downstairs

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and I really I remember saying, listen, I've seen I

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saw a woman in that room last night. And of

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course it was a school day and I was told

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to eat your rice crispy snap crackle, and pop out

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the door with you the school. Now, there were a

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few other things reported about that house from sisters of mine.

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in the house we've a psychologist and an author. So

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we were as a as I said, you know, it

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three girls, and one of them would say, oh, I

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feel evil in that room. But you know the worst

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thing about it, Irene and Marcus. I could never really

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take anybody else's experiences seriously apart from mine because and

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that was probably wrong of me, because people did did

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say they and including a friend of mine, would you know,

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with no dog in the fight. He came in one

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day and he was in the toilet and he said,

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who's doing the singing? And my mother had said that

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she'd heard music, harpsichord type music as well in the place.

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about it, but that was enough to convince me that

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I did a bit of research and it's online if

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you go Portobello Barracks or Cattle Brew of Barracks as

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it is now. There was a poisoning in now, there

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you'll hear an interview in situ there with the current curator.

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murder case. A poisoning happened on December twenty seventh, eighteen

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seventy three, and a Anne Winford Marsha. Now that's a

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triple barreled English name for sure. Probably I'm suspecting maybe

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an officer's wife or something. But a Gunner Donaldson was

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found sprawled poisoned, the death across a bed in an apartment.

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really don't know. But she there was evidence given that

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she had purchased stryctnine in Wrathminds, which is a town

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this barracks is situated in within the week or so beforehand.

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evidence was loaded against her. But funny enough, back then

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the trial took place and she was found not guilty

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despite that evidence. By it happened in December by February

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of the following year, eighteen seventy four. So what I

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even though the archives are still there, they only date

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from when the Irish marched into the barracks and the

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tie the apartment to our house at the time, which

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house was across the way. But if I could tie

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it to that, that would explain to me. Maybe I

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had a replay of somebody in either in grief or

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in despair or in trauma. You know, that's the that's

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the be all and end of all of that story.

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Speaker 4: You saw so sorry you saw did she look up set?

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only you know what in retrospect. In retrospect you might

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have given me looking through me, you know she was.

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I felt she was looking at me, but she could

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be looking through me. And as I said, if it's

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just some kind of a replay, you know, an explanation

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of energy or a burst of trauma or something, but

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I listen that it could all be kakamane. But the

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bottom line was I saw what I saw, and even

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though you know, people have tried to rationalize it as

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I've gotten older, and even my own mind wants to

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try and rationalize it, it was too vivid. It was

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you know it. And I wouldn't be true to a

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little eight year old Mark Manning if I said, ah, yeah,

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I was imagining stuff, because I bloody wasn't. And that

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was underpinned. That was underpinned in twenty nineteen when I

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revisited the place and stuff was told to me by

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the army guys that were there.

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Speaker 4: Oh now, Michael Farkel, isn't that interesting?

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's it. Charlie is a mine of useless information.

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and there was the first thing across my mind. Is

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that woman I saw in my son's place that time? Yes,

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mm hmm, yeah, the way she looked at me.

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Speaker 1: I heard that story, Iren, Sorry to interject, I heard

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that story. Is this is where she got as much

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as a shock as you got.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she recognized she could see me. Mr she was

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time travel something like that. I don't know how. All

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I know is that she saw me and I saw her,

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and the expression I think you could see in the

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expression on her face to the shop.

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Speaker 1: Imagine the conversation around her breakfast table the next day.

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In a ghost from the future.

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Speaker 4: I saw a ghostly that's dressed weird.

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Speaker 2: She probably wouldn't understand what she was looking at.

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Speaker 4: Maybe she was should you look at me, dory.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it was one of those situations where she's just

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too in shock to pay attention to what you're wearing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, I often do think like you

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like just said. You know, if she was from the future,

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or she did go back to her family or back

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into her own life, did she turn around and say

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to them she's seen a ghost?

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Speaker 1: Most likely she did. You know.

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Speaker 4: It's weird, isn't it when you think about it. Are

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we all crossing dimensions, zig zagging about, and all we

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ghosts in other people and other people's eyes from other dimensions?

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Or are we just seeing ghosts dead people?

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Speaker 1: Well, speaking of dimensions, and this is your show, so

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I'm just just giving my own. You know, when I

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was a bit older than let's say, I was heading

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towards finishing school, we were all kind of we all

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spoke Irish in a particular college rights because I was

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I failed literally looking out on that field. I was

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mentioning earlier there was a college, but my schooling was

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all over the place when I was young, so I

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failed the entrance exam. I ended up going into town

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every day and as a result, so I was in

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this kind of old boys Irish speaking college. Right up

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at the top of O'Connell Street were all the infamous

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riots to place last year, and we were chasing the girlies,

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you see, So I will get to the point here

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who were in as young as young boys do. And

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God for you know, God forgive the gods of fashion.

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But believe it or not, do not ask me why

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I had borrowed a pair of my sisters. You know

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those kind of thigh length to boots, Well they weren't

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quite thigh up to the calf. And I convinced myself

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I was looking hard as as some kind of a

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biker right big each just as we say here, and

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we were going up to meet the girls from Skull

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Katrina to try and, as we say in Ireland, get

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off with them right. And I got hit. I got

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hit by a car. I got hit by a car,

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a Mark and Irene and I went like a ballerina,

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pirouetting around like the opening scene of the Sound of Music.

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I went spinning around right and one of the boots,

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by the way got ripped all the way open. So

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the guy was breaking. She wasn't. I think she'd long

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abandoned them at that stage. She'd grown up. But talk

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about another I get to the point Mark right that

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I was knocked into another dimension. It felt like an

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elect it was an electric pulse in my head. I

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got a glancing blow. I suppose it would be described

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as and you literally hear and I don't know how

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I did get home. I didn't end up in the hospital.

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I came home. I said to my mother, and you

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know what, Iren, this will date it for you. You

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might remember the look of the Look of Love by ABC.

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Oh yeah, that's the look. That's the look I remember.

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That was on television at the time, So that would

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have been nineteen eighty one, eighty twoish with my DJ

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hat on me and I said to my mother, I

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was hit by a car. And she looked at me

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and of course, you know Darland, and you know, you

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look all right to me, have your dinner. But I,

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you know, I do think we aren't. I do think

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something that knocked me to my core. It was it

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was like an electric pulse. So God knows where we

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end up when we do cross, you know, but I

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felt I was somewhere. I was knocked out of it.

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You know. That was a break for ads.

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Speaker 2: By the way, Well, you know, that's actually a very

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interesting story because it goes along the lines with a

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lot of topics we've talked about with you know, inter

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dimensional different vibrations, a lot of reality is all happening

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at once. Were just tuned into one, and you know,

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going through a traumatic experience like that could like shock

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your your body or your brain or whatever, changing frequencies

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momentarily to experience something quite different.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I was knocked into another dimension, That's what it

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felt like. And the driver was panicking. He was because

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he knew I think maybe he was going too fast

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or something, and he said, well I get him to

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a hospital. Will I get him to a hospital. And

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of course one of my best friends, by the way,

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who you might hear on the show. He's over in

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the States at the moment, Steve. Steve and I are

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friends for fifty years, you know, as your best friends

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always do. What was Steve doing when all this was happening,

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breaking his heart? Laughing? And I said, I'm just.

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Speaker 4: Gonna say, if it was mock, I'd be killing myself laughing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he said. I said to him, some mate, you

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are as I was recovering my composer, and he said, oh, sorry,

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it's shock, it's shock.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, Mark, I wouldn't laugh. I would not laugh at

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you para writing around.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes you would. If I went flipping ass over Teacuttle,

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you'd be on the ground rolling.

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Speaker 1: I'll lend you my I lend you my biker's boots sometimes, Mark,

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and you can do a replay.

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Speaker 4: When you come back here.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 4: That would be funny. That would be funny.

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Speaker 2: So Mark, tell us a little bit about your career.

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I mean, you have had quite a career doing a

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number of different things, including being a voiceover artist, and

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I mean, what else we ells have you been doing

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with your life.

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Speaker 1: I still am a voiceover artist, and can I announce

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to you you will be in good company because I

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can't name him right, but he do a little voice over,

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the guy who does NBC and CNBC, and he's very

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very official. I got him to record something for Scary Era.

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It's just a little by to bye in answer to

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your question. And that guy, by the way, he can

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command a serious amount of money for his voiceovers. Yeah, okay,

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So started out an army brat, you know that bit

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army family all. My grandfather indeed was in British Army,

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and I thought he was just enlisted in the First

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World War. And this is about me, not him. I'm

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just saying, I'm just setting the scene for you. And

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he came over after the war and discovered it wasn't

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such a long way to Tipperary. He literally went to Tipperary,

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as the song goes, and he was into radio back

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in the war. Isn't that weird? Kind of Now then

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it would have been morse than all that. But I

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saw his army records, so I thought, like my brother

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as well, who used to fly the government jet. Here

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he was in our little what we won't call it

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an air force, it's air Corps. He used to fly

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the government jet around, and I thought I'd make it

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as a cadet, and I was doing my little bit

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in what would be your reserves, probably Mark and the

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territorials to you, Irene, and I was doing well in it.

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But I'm afraid I didn't guess what was called a

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great lead insert. I was just short the one honor,

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as it was known, to get into the cadets. And

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maybe it's just as well I didn't, because I think

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I might have been a bit of a mummy's boy.

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But I had one best soldier and stuff like that,

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and I was a bit army barmie. But the plan

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with me was always the first love was always broadcasting,

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and that never really happened. And I thought, I'll do

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the army for five six years or whatever. I'll get

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out as a captain or something, and I'll really go

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for radio. But when the cadet ship fell through, now

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I could have probably gone back, but I God, I

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hated school. I cannot tell you how much I detested school.

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Like a lot of my generation. I mean we were

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physically Now there were people sexually abused, but we were

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certainly physically and mentally abused, and both those in my case,

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when I was in primary school, so I was not

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going back to school, I can tell you. So I

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fell into a company. At that stage it was called

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Rank Xerox. You might know them, of course as Xerox.

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And that was interesting. I was just like a little

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copy bureau guy, which, in other words, you came in

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and said, here's the original. Can I have fifty copies

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of that? Or a thousand copies of that? And I

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was the guy who served you. And if you've ever

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seen the film Working nine to five where the photocopier

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kind of explodes on Jane Fond, I think that's called

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a ninety four hundred photocopier. And I even remember the stats.

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I think it was two prints a second, seven an hour,

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five reams of paper. I remember, any I was doing

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all this stuff. But I used to see these guys

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in nice suits who had company cars, talked about things,

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talked about things called commission always had There was always

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competitions for foreign holidays. There was a lot of glamor

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around it. Funny enough, they were never short of women.

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And I used to go, sorry, guys, I know you

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don't swear on this show, but I kind of go

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f that I know more about these fricking copiers and

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these prats, do you know. So every time someone came

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into the shop, I was so helpful to them. But

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even then I was a cannive in little sod, you know,

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because the customer would say, I've never had such good

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service in my life, Thank you so much. And I'd say,

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if you liked it so much, would you mind just

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writing a note to such and such? So I started

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what did they call it like it used to be

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during the war or something. Wasn't it like the fifth Column?

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You know? I started my own, my own little campaign.

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And I could have taught Camelon and Trump the thing

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or two. So I started my own kind of what

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you call it clandestine operation in the background. So all

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these letters started coming in saying how good Mark Manning

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was to the management accidentally on purpose. But then then

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I used to hassle a guy who who was a manager. Anyway,

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let me just cut to the chase. I became a salesman,

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and I became a bloody good one at a very

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young age, made it to major accounts in Xerox back

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in the eighties when everybody else was leaving the country,

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I was flying to five star hotels. I had a

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company car under my arse and had lovely suits and

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a few bob I wasn't really focused on money at

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that stage. That came later, so it was a good

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place to be when you were twenty two with a

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top multinational whoy hugely and still are ethical company. I

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learned so much from them, and it was fun because

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when you're doing well in sales, if you're doing well,

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as I remember a boss saying to me, he said

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two things. Number one, welcome to the club. You're naked,

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right or what he meant by that, Yeah, what he

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meant by that, Irene, was that you are going to

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be seen by us whether on your performance. You either

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are making the business, you are getting the numbers, or

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you're not and you're on your own kid. Best to look,

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you know, see you. I was told I was naked.

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I was also told, congratulations, you have your own business,

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to to which degree I did have as well, because

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it was sink or swim by yourself. I had a

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year of disaster, by the way, the first year terrible.

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I used to drive to the Phoenix Park, biggest open

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air park in Europe. I used to sit there waiting

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to be fired. And I even remember there was a

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couple that used to drive up. They were obviously having

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an affair because they didn't realize I was the watcher

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in the woods, and I'd be stipping in my car,

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as I said, waiting to get the call to be fired.

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This was before mobile phones. I was driving back to

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the office with my tail between my leggs because I

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hadn't sold anything, you know, But I used to see

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these two walk gloriously hand in hand into the glade,

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getting up to all kinds of unmentionedable things. But I

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was about to have my old job back because I'd

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made a ball basically at the sales thing. This was

473
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year one, right, and you know the way you get

474
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:59,599
a mentor and the top guy and the company. God

475
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:04,640
rest Joe. Joe Nolan said to me, kid, you can

476
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,680
run for the rest of your life where you can

477
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,160
come at me and watch outs done. And he took

478
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,279
me from the bottom of the Death Valley to the

479
00:28:13,319 --> 00:28:16,680
top of the Empire State Building. In terms of my confidence,

480
00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:19,880
my sales and I just took off. I was a

481
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,759
whiz kid back then, and so sales went on quite

482
00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:25,799
a few years, got into laptop computers, just at the

483
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:29,000
right time with Tashiba, who were like the BMW of

484
00:28:29,079 --> 00:28:34,119
laptops back then, and I opened accounts like for like

485
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,240
intel Er Huge here as our Microsoft. Indeed, I supplied

486
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,079
Bill Gates with his laptop when he came came over

487
00:28:41,119 --> 00:28:44,599
for to launch Windows in ninety five. So anyway, a

488
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,480
big career in sales, but always on the peripheral that

489
00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:50,240
was radio. Always I was with the pirate stations as

490
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,799
they were called, Sunshine one on one, radio double and

491
00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:57,640
all these that folks, and I yeah, they were great.

492
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,920
I'm glad you said that, Irene, because they they don't

493
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:02,519
make him like they used to now look at there

494
00:29:02,559 --> 00:29:04,480
was a lot of wild stuff went on there as well,

495
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,279
with like someone reading and reading the news and as

496
00:29:07,279 --> 00:29:10,000
he was reading it, someone would have a Zippo lighter

497
00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:13,000
on the script underneath or pour cold water down his

498
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,119
next stuff. You wouldn't get away. But on a professional station,

499
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,759
I was in the place, by the way, a notorious

500
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:24,880
place called Radio Dublin. Who the guy is dead now

501
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:29,279
so I can he well was. He was the worst

502
00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:31,759
kind of individual you can without getting into detail, you

503
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:33,839
can imagine if you know who the worst ones are,

504
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,480
beginning with to Pee. That's what he was. That's what

505
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:39,960
he was, and there was stuff going on there upstairs.

506
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,160
I didn't know about it. I was like, I was

507
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,119
only twenty twenty one at the time, but I would

508
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,319
be doing a late night show and that's when you

509
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:47,359
really get the pulse.

510
00:29:48,079 --> 00:29:48,279
Speaker 2: You know.

511
00:29:48,319 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: It's not so much that people are around all the time,

512
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,759
it's the ones that are up at that hour and

513
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,599
night and you'd hear all kinds of God. I listened

514
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:57,400
to an old tape recently. I died of embarrassment.

515
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 4: Because my little voice was like that, you know, and

516
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:02,440
actually thought I was somebody on radio and I was

517
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:08,839
like sounding very partial. But then how come you got

518
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:09,400
this voice?

519
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 5: Now?

520
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: Something wrong? Charlie. Charlie's things dropped. I suppose over time.

521
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:21,279
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, something must have dropped.

522
00:30:21,119 --> 00:30:23,599
Speaker 1: Yes, and let's just leave it at that. But look

523
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,559
at guys, So's it's got a long story short. It's

524
00:30:26,599 --> 00:30:30,720
been DJ, it's been soldier, it's been salesperson, it's been author.

525
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:33,720
I've written as well as I always say I've taken

526
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:36,880
to I'm taking the publishing world by cam, but it's

527
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,599
up there anyway. I'm the TV presenter as well for

528
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,359
a while in the around two thousand and nine ish,

529
00:30:43,599 --> 00:30:47,000
and then I felt it. Guys, I'm sixty one and

530
00:30:47,039 --> 00:30:51,079
I fell into voiceover when I was fifty and I

531
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:51,839
haven't looked back.

532
00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 2: Well, you certainly have a voice for it. Definitely, yes,

533
00:30:58,039 --> 00:30:59,240
definitely got voice.

534
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 4: But one of these voices that might.

535
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: We might have to speak to him about doing a

536
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:05,920
few promos.

537
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: You might may have, Jave, I can do a few

538
00:31:09,319 --> 00:31:12,640
voices as well, but if you did, you probably didn't.

539
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,960
But David McGlynn was on the Squire on the on

540
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,640
the initial show, and we like to do a bit

541
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,599
of lamely some every so often. I range, you know

542
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:26,240
what I mean, what are you doing tonight? Love? We'd

543
00:31:26,279 --> 00:31:28,279
like to do the voices, but that's what it is.

544
00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:31,279
And then of course I found myself listening to Paranormal

545
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,200
Radio UK at all the wee small hours of the morning.

546
00:31:34,359 --> 00:31:35,359
Speaker 4: Find us?

547
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:36,359
Speaker 2: I found you?

548
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:41,599
Speaker 4: Did you find us? I say that we go everywhere anyway.

549
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how I found you. There's there's a

550
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,640
little app on my phone. It looks like an alien

551
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,519
with a headset on us. That's the eye.

552
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, oh shoot, there are a a branch off

553
00:31:58,519 --> 00:32:02,680
of I have it too with the Paranormal Radio app

554
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:10,440
from rock stream Live. And listen to this, guys, we

555
00:32:10,519 --> 00:32:11,279
hear silence.

556
00:32:11,759 --> 00:32:13,559
Speaker 1: That's your did you hear silence?

557
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? These microphones.

558
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: There you go.

559
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: Yep, here we are in the background.

560
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 1: And I used to listen to you guys and not

561
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:27,039
just saying that. And I used to listen to David

562
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:30,319
Young was it the Paranormal peep Show? And it would

563
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:36,759
be I still love that. Yeah, And I was great

564
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:42,160
for what is it insomnia? You know, and you know

565
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,319
you'd switch it on and put little ear pods in

566
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:45,920
because I don't sleep that great.

567
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,279
Speaker 2: As long as we're not causing in Yeah, well that

568
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:52,880
could be taken one of two ways.

569
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: No, it was very enjoyable in a RESTful way.

570
00:32:58,319 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 5: M hm.

571
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 2: So now, well I find myself sometimes I'll throw on

572
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:06,920
old Art Bell podcasts.

573
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,759
Speaker 1: Yes, I've heard that. Yeah, he's twenty five. Yeah, yeah,

574
00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:11,400
he passed.

575
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,279
Speaker 2: We were actually on his station when he went digital,

576
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:22,039
the Dark Matter Digital Network before we formed the pa

577
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:23,440
UK network.

578
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,519
Speaker 1: But that was a huge audience, wasn't it. It's syndicated,

579
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:27,359
isn't it. Isn't it?

580
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,279
Speaker 2: Well, his old show he was on Coast to Coast, Yes, yeah,

581
00:33:31,279 --> 00:33:33,680
and that was syndicated all over. That was back in

582
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:37,839
the nineties and he was really really big, And then

583
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:41,880
in the early two thousands he kind of retired, came

584
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,720
back a little bit part time. There was some drama

585
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:48,920
there with with the company that owned it, and he

586
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,400
had some disputes with him. But then when his non

587
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,240
compete was up, he went over to Sirius XM and

588
00:33:57,279 --> 00:34:02,599
he only lasted about six weeks and he got into

589
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:06,640
a dispute with them and quit. So then he had

590
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,559
another non compete for two years. So in the meantime,

591
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:18,679
his webmaster put together the station in his name with

592
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,320
the intention of it being Art was going to come

593
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,880
back with his own new show, which was Midnight in

594
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:29,519
the Desert and be just like the old Art Bell Show,

595
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:34,480
except it was purely online and we were the leading show,

596
00:34:34,679 --> 00:34:36,519
which I'm proud to say.

597
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,840
Speaker 4: Yep.

598
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was out in Las Vegas, way, I think,

599
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:41,800
wasn't it.

600
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. He lived in a small town south of Las Vegas,

601
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,039
about an hour called Perumpt and he had lived out

602
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:52,039
there for years. He went to the Philippines for a

603
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:55,000
couple of years and then he came back. Art was

604
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,559
a great He was a master if there's somebody. I mean,

605
00:34:58,599 --> 00:35:02,679
he started paranormal radio, but to be fair, he talked

606
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,800
about all sorts of different subjects, not just paranormal anything that.

607
00:35:08,079 --> 00:35:12,559
He would talk about anything pretty much. And he had

608
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:15,599
a lot of great guests on for that time period.

609
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,320
And it's strange sometimes to go back and listen to

610
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,559
the old shows, especially when some some buddy comes on

611
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,480
they're trying to do predictions on what's gonna happen for

612
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:29,199
the future. It's like, well, let's see, they got that wrong.

613
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:29,719
They got the.

614
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: Wrong wrong, and they got so much wrong.

615
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,639
Speaker 4: He didn't pull punches, did they.

616
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: No, No, Iren, I've had a question to ask you.

617
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,880
Do you do the oh, you know, like it's a

618
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,760
it's a you can see things from afar, you know,

619
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,800
the vision thing to see Ia used to do and

620
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,480
all that. Yes, do you do with that?

621
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: Yeah?

622
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: That's interesting?

623
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,199
Speaker 4: Well do you want me to do it? Do you

624
00:35:58,199 --> 00:35:59,199
want me to find out about that?

625
00:35:59,360 --> 00:35:59,639
Speaker 2: Lady?

626
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you. I'll tell you why because

627
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,519
the only and I'll keep it short because I do

628
00:36:04,599 --> 00:36:07,639
go on. I know myself. Listen, folks, I apologize. But

629
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:12,000
the only other kind of paranormal experience I had was

630
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:16,119
back in and I was in Utah and well as

631
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:19,880
well there in the States with I used to visit

632
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:22,719
Utah to my friends and Utah to It was like

633
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,639
a Facebook for the dead, this thing we were trying

634
00:36:24,679 --> 00:36:26,920
to put together. It's a long story anyway, but one

635
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,800
of the people I met when was a lady from

636
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,480
la who's one of her claims to fame was she

637
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,760
would paint the oscars, now not the actual ones that

638
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,599
are presented to the stars, but the ones that line

639
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:44,400
the red carpet. So she was really a nice person.

640
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,280
I can't quite remember her name. And she used to

641
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,840
tune into you if you like, from a distance. All right.

642
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:54,039
So she had done a reading for me way back,

643
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:56,320
and it was lovely. It was all print centered out

644
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:57,800
and gave it to me a freebe kind It was

645
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,719
all printed out and everything. I thought, this lady knows

646
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,280
it's But anyway, about a year or two later I

647
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,239
got in touch with her, and I think I was

648
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,239
hinting for another reading at the time, but she wanted

649
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,519
to charge, and I was just been Charlie at the time.

650
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:13,159
I wasn't going to cough up a few dollars for

651
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:15,559
it anyway. I just said, listen, what story have you

652
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,199
been watching over me recently? Now, this, folks is I

653
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,239
will go to I will swear on a stack of bibles.

654
00:37:25,039 --> 00:37:28,880
So she said to me, she said, Mark, yeah, you

655
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,239
know that lovely kind of hippie dream girl way. She said, oh, Mark, here,

656
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:39,199
I haven't quite tuned into your energy recently, but I

657
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,320
did a while back, and I don't know, it doesn't

658
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,440
really make a lot of sense. And what she related

659
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,360
to me was she said, there is a lyric from

660
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:54,920
a cold Play song and it's saying, I don't want

661
00:37:54,920 --> 00:38:02,880
to be a cycle of recycled revenge. I'm telling I

662
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,920
am telling you guys. This was back when I used

663
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,280
to don Do you remember ironing you do your trousers

664
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,159
and stuff. I suppose because I was wearing suits back

665
00:38:10,159 --> 00:38:14,039
then on shirts. So I was maybe there are children

666
00:38:14,039 --> 00:38:16,039
who are grown up young ladies. Now there might have

667
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:19,039
been any babies at the time. I was some time

668
00:38:19,159 --> 00:38:22,159
before I had talked to her a few weeks I'd

669
00:38:22,159 --> 00:38:26,599
been ironing in my conservatory. I've been earning my knickknacks,

670
00:38:26,639 --> 00:38:33,639
my little bits and pieces iron yeah, my small as well.

671
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:39,159
And I had been listening to Lavida. It's not Ricky

672
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:44,760
Martin what I'm looking at here Lavida Viva Viva Lavida

673
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,639
by cold Play. And another thing I used to do

674
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,159
was I used to do these short stories by Mark Manning,

675
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,000
a man with an Irish accent, and I do poetry

676
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,519
and stuff, and that lyric came up out of the

677
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:59,719
stereo to me, I don't want to be a cycle

678
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:05,960
of cycled revenge. Now. I never shared that with anyone,

679
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:08,960
but all as I remember saying to myself that day

680
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:13,199
as I roned merrily away, was God, that's a bloody

681
00:39:13,199 --> 00:39:16,719
good lyric. I wish i'd written that, said it to

682
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,400
nobody but me in my head. Now if that was

683
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:22,000
a coincidence.

684
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 4: So that's when you think she tuned in at that

685
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,840
very moment, and well she must.

686
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,760
Speaker 1: She must have had retained it in my head because

687
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:31,639
I'm that kind. I will write down stuff if it

688
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:33,800
if it appeals to me. But I don't think. I

689
00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:37,119
just remember saying I just remember listening to the song

690
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,760
because there was no one else around, and saying, God,

691
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,559
I wish i'd written that that. That sounds really cool.

692
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,480
That's true. You know when you when someone said something

693
00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:47,480
or write something and you go, I wish I wish

694
00:39:47,559 --> 00:39:50,000
i'd done that. So that was the only other reason.

695
00:39:50,039 --> 00:39:51,880
Now there has been a few other things as well,

696
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,840
and stories and all, but I won't bore you with them.

697
00:39:54,199 --> 00:39:59,440
But that that happened yet, Oh interesting not?

698
00:40:00,159 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: Yes, that's very few people can really tune in like that.

699
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:10,400
In my experience, I haven't really met hardly anyone that

700
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:15,599
was as good as they claimed per se. I meant

701
00:40:15,639 --> 00:40:20,039
a lot of so called psychics or mediums or am

702
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:23,239
I good? Oh you're the best? Darling?

703
00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:31,639
Speaker 1: Am I interrupting something? Here? Guys each other?

704
00:40:32,639 --> 00:40:36,039
Speaker 2: Iron Irene's okay, you know she she she hit something

705
00:40:36,119 --> 00:40:37,039
once in the blue moon.

706
00:40:37,159 --> 00:40:48,199
Speaker 4: But you know, say keep we were Oh sorry.

707
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: Do you sit there with charts or at blank paper

708
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,039
or any of that. The man who's stared at goat stuff.

709
00:40:53,079 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 4: Now I can do that, Yeah, I can do it

710
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:01,239
that way. So I'll tell you one that I really

711
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:05,519
really like. It's and I'm not asleep when this happens.

712
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,639
You know, when you're sleeping, and you know when you're

713
00:41:07,639 --> 00:41:10,159
not sleeping, you got to bed, you know, you're in

714
00:41:10,199 --> 00:41:13,800
that between that that time I've fallen asleep, but you're

715
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:14,440
not asleep.

716
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: Yeah.

717
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,400
Speaker 4: Then when I get things, then I always manage or

718
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,800
try to remember to let Mark know the following days

719
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,159
so that you can write it all down.

720
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:29,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she'll forget it.

721
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:33,760
Speaker 4: That some powerful stuff doing that, and I'm not.

722
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,559
Speaker 2: I still have a lot of m Well there there

723
00:41:39,679 --> 00:41:46,440
was that. There was the Malaysian flight. Yeah, that airplane.

724
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 4: Where that is?

725
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well you you do?

726
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:52,039
Speaker 1: You know where the plane is now?

727
00:41:52,519 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 4: Yeah?

728
00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 2: Well she picked it up three days okay, never mind,

729
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,920
not over the air, No the air okay.

730
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 4: No, otherwise I'm going to have people pastoring me tomorrow.

731
00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:14,760
He's doing it.

732
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's underwater, Say it's underwater, all right?

733
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:28,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, h well, it's true. What Mark? The only thing

734
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:31,119
I would say is I told Mark exactly where it was,

735
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,559
long before they and I told him what route it took. No,

736
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:38,719
I'm going to get arrested tomorrow. Long before that it

737
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,960
was broadcast out what route was taken. I said where

738
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:47,400
it changed to direction and everything, long before that ever

739
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:49,320
came out and.

740
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,199
Speaker 1: The transponder was turned off. The transponder was turned off.

741
00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:57,079
I think, so you did well.

742
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 2: But so we worked a few before.

743
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, my fricking door tomorrow.

744
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 2: Well, don't tell anybody where you live anyway. Now we've

745
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:22,159
worked several paranormal cases together and tuned in. In fact,

746
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,920
there was this one in Wales and I'll tell this

747
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:32,719
one Irene, because this girl had contacted us convinced that

748
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,280
there was some evil witch like being in her house.

749
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:43,719
And long story short, we realized that she was the

750
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:49,000
one creating it with their own energy. She was spiking

751
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,400
her energy was spiking and creating something like we call

752
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,320
it a tulpa, which is like, was.

753
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: She a teenager or what age?

754
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:04,039
Speaker 2: No, she was a woman in her twenties, but she

755
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,079
had people put things in her head that would scare

756
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:13,159
her and then that's what would start manifesting. I mean

757
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:17,000
even her boyfriend saw this stuff at the time. But

758
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:19,880
yet something never felt right about the case. And then

759
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:24,519
when she said, well, some psychic told her, well, witches

760
00:44:24,679 --> 00:44:29,599
used to practice, you know, i double worshiping in the basement.

761
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,639
Well it turned out the house never had a basement.

762
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:35,199
But yet she convinced herself that there was a witch

763
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,119
in the house and she'd see an old hag at

764
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:42,880
the top of the stairs. And we realized that through

765
00:44:43,199 --> 00:44:48,159
through not only our regular research but Irene doing her thing,

766
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,119
we were able to actually disprove it and explain to

767
00:44:54,159 --> 00:44:58,280
her what was happening. Oh my god, this woman got

768
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,519
so mad at us because we did not tell her

769
00:45:01,559 --> 00:45:02,639
what she wanted to hear.

770
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah we got.

771
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: We got like a really nasty earful from her, didn't we.

772
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 6: Yeah?

773
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,039
Speaker 4: Absolutely, In fact, not really, you know she was there

774
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:15,719
was no witch.

775
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,199
Speaker 2: There was there was nothing, There was nothing there. It

776
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:26,719
was her creating it out of her own fears. So

777
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:28,480
that's an interesting case.

778
00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: There's an an old Irish saying, and you could say

779
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,039
it to her even if she did get her nickers.

780
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:36,719
In a twist, you could say, I'm sorry, but the

781
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,000
truth is shamed but never blamed.

782
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:41,679
Speaker 2: Interesting. I'll have to keep it.

783
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: I'll have to write that shamed but never blamed, missus.

784
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,559
I'm sorry our findings are not in accordance. But what's

785
00:45:47,599 --> 00:45:51,599
in your head? But them's the breaks?

786
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 4: Mhmm.

787
00:45:53,280 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 2: Well, Mark Charlie. With doing your new podcast, Scary Era,

788
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,360
I mean, you're gonna be talking a lot about different

789
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:09,840
things around Ireland. Is there a particular topic that interests

790
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:14,000
you the most? I know you had your one ghostly

791
00:46:14,079 --> 00:46:17,880
experience but not much else. But is there something that

792
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,760
really intrigues you? Yes?

793
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,559
Speaker 1: Sorry you asked, but I'll keep it shortened. In a

794
00:46:22,599 --> 00:46:25,480
couple of bulletin points, right, really quick stuff. So to

795
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,719
look forward to on the second episode of Scary Era,

796
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,360
butter Cup, So we have a ghost in a radio

797
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,079
station that happened about twenty years ago and a newsreader

798
00:46:38,119 --> 00:46:40,880
who's been on the air at anti years and she's

799
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,800
a lovely person, Bernie Jamison. She's gonna talk about that.

800
00:46:45,599 --> 00:46:48,719
The banchie is something I can talk about.

801
00:46:49,559 --> 00:46:52,079
Speaker 4: I am glad that you took about the banchee.

802
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the banshee. My mother experienced that and she was

803
00:46:58,039 --> 00:47:00,760
taken from her family when she was young because of

804
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,679
the TV tuberculosis epidemic and she ended up like literally

805
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,480
putting oh pennies on dead people's eyes and help them

806
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:11,280
lay out the dead when she was only about twelve,

807
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:14,039
you know. But anyway, a banshee came in via one

808
00:47:14,039 --> 00:47:18,400
of the patients, so I can relate that. The castles

809
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,559
as well. Kennedy Castle, which and I think featured on

810
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:24,840
Most Haunted. I personally did business with alb was in

811
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,599
television with the manager of that and he's.

812
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:30,199
Speaker 4: Wore is that one with the tom the thing up

813
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:30,840
on the balcony.

814
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:38,519
Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's Lepper Leap Castle. That's yeah, the

815
00:47:38,559 --> 00:47:41,599
Elemental and then guys as well as that, we have

816
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,760
the hell Fire Club, which is notorious as also club

817
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:49,920
as I was up there after midnight about two years

818
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:52,320
ago and I have a recording of that. Not the

819
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,320
can't say so anything, but do you know it's amazing,

820
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,679
whether you believe or not, when you do go to

821
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,320
historic places at night. Of course you're got your you know,

822
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:02,760
your sensitivities are going to be on alert. But what

823
00:48:03,039 --> 00:48:06,760
what is, you know, incontrovertible is the fact that you

824
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,440
are within historic environs. It doesn't matter if you see

825
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:14,480
anything or you don't. You are kind of in there

826
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:17,000
where something happened. And by the way, I don't know

827
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,840
how people feel about spirit boxes and that kind of

828
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,480
carry on, you know, the ones that say John and

829
00:48:23,519 --> 00:48:27,639
that says Hale and then I want to tell you

830
00:48:27,679 --> 00:48:30,119
a little very quickly behind those I mean, as a

831
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:33,440
voiceover guy, every so often I get sent scripts, right,

832
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,119
and in this particular case, they're called prompts, and what

833
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,199
they are is a jumble of disparate words, right, with

834
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,800
absolutely no relationship whatsoever. So I get paid just to

835
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:50,119
read out paranormal door ghost John Egbert Baby, you know,

836
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:54,280
and obviously, somebody jumbles them into an electronic device, sells

837
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,880
it to people who know know better, and they all

838
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,360
jump and build their whole investigation around the fact that

839
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,000
this thing has spoken a few words to them, which

840
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,360
Mark Manning probably said five or six months beforehand in

841
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,960
his gutio. I'm you know, I'm as skeptical as anybody else.

842
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:12,719
I'm not into the you know, the most taunted when

843
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,000
they're screaming and roaring and jumping around the place that

844
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:15,760
carry on.

845
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 2: One of the ghost adventures, guys like dude, oh my god, Yeah, same.

846
00:49:21,199 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: Thing at Scooby Doo with the eyes moving in the

847
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:24,679
painting on the wall.

848
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:32,079
Speaker 2: The Actually we did an investigation what about a month

849
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:35,519
month and a half ago. I did one here locally

850
00:49:36,119 --> 00:49:38,719
for the first time. It's been a few years since

851
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,480
I've been out. I'm trying to get back into it.

852
00:49:42,119 --> 00:49:45,320
And I had one of those investigators who was on

853
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,280
TV with one of their own TV shows, and that's

854
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,800
exactly what they were doing, using these spirit boxes things

855
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,000
to race with the voices. And I'm kind of rolling

856
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:59,239
my eyes, thinking this isn't a real investigation. But I

857
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:05,320
had my equipment going and we bloody caught stuff. I mean,

858
00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:10,280
we caught e vps. Uh. There was one that it

859
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:15,119
seemed to say Irene's name, even you know she wasn't there,

860
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:20,840
but because she was looking into it, it said her

861
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:29,679
name that and Renee I think it said yeah, yeah

862
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,320
and uh. And we caught a partial apparition at the

863
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:40,559
top of a stairway. So that's all. That's fascinating. But see,

864
00:50:41,679 --> 00:50:45,159
you know, when I go into an investigation, I try

865
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:48,679
not to use any of those new gadgets or tools whatever.

866
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,000
Old school plus going off of an Irene taught me this,

867
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,079
you know, going off of you know what your body

868
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:58,480
is telling you too? What are you picking up on him?

869
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:02,280
Trying to like improve my own senses. And there is

870
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,599
definitely some heavy energy there, especially in the basement.

871
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:12,039
Speaker 1: Absolutely the body and indeed the biggest organ and it

872
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,360
sounds of it. And in the body, of course is

873
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,599
like the skin. You know, your your skin sensitive, It's

874
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:20,519
got sensors all over it, like you know.

875
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 2: Well, that's why when people their hair stands up on end,

876
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,239
they get goose bumps, chills like an electrical electrical feeling.

877
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:34,039
I get a tingling on my scalp when I feel

878
00:51:34,079 --> 00:51:36,559
something's nearby or a slight headache.

879
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,559
Speaker 4: Taking on your scalpe if I'm doing.

880
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,519
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're looking into me and you're you're you're

881
00:51:43,519 --> 00:51:44,360
trying to mess with me.

882
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, but we uh yeah, it's it's uh again.

883
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,880
I'm more old school, but old school will not old school.

884
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 4: But that's that's the best way to be old school.

885
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,559
You know, all these gadgets they come up with nowadays,

886
00:52:05,559 --> 00:52:09,559
you don't know what looks like Charlie was just saying

887
00:52:09,599 --> 00:52:13,360
about on the ghost box, you.

888
00:52:12,199 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 2: Know, especially anything you can download on your phone. Yeah,

889
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:17,519
these phone apps.

890
00:52:17,679 --> 00:52:22,119
Speaker 4: No, yeah, this is it. My grandchildren they were going

891
00:52:22,119 --> 00:52:24,440
around with their telephones because they had a ghosty thing

892
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,559
on there, and they were going around all the rooms

893
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,840
in the house. And I'll tell you what, instead of

894
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,480
having four gosts, I suddenly got about three hundred that night.

895
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:35,320
There was one in every bloody corner, sitting on the

896
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,119
so forth, sitting in the office, you know, and it

897
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,480
was everywhere, these ghosts.

898
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,559
Speaker 1: I think as well, without all that gadgetry. I don't

899
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:46,119
know how you feel about like. And I'm not sure

900
00:52:46,159 --> 00:52:50,480
if it's a phenomenon, but certainly the whole area of

901
00:52:50,639 --> 00:52:54,079
pathetic fallacy. If you've ever heard of that. I think

902
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:57,440
it's first mentioned in Shakespeare, and I was giving an example.

903
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,239
I don't know if I did it on that show recently,

904
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,360
or of other things as well that I broadcast, but say,

905
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,320
for instance, not too long ago, in fact, just about

906
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,719
six weeks ago, guys, I had a very good neighbor

907
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,679
of mine, a fine man, but he was he was

908
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,079
on his own, and he took his own life. He

909
00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:18,920
had got to a certain he'd hurt himself, his back

910
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,559
had been killing him and his neck. But I also

911
00:53:21,679 --> 00:53:26,360
think he he lived on his own, and his children

912
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,840
had all grown up. And it's a fine man as well,

913
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,360
you know, fine man, but he took his own life.

914
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:37,000
And we were passing by. He was a stalwart as

915
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,239
well of this little terrorace as we live in. You know,

916
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,159
there's myself, my wife, another couple and him. We were

917
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,679
kind of there for the long haul, you know. But yeah,

918
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:49,199
he took his own life recently. So sad to see

919
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,360
him being taken, you know, a stretcher with a blanket

920
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,880
on it. Oh god. And you know I went to

921
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,079
the viewing kind of and I shouldn't have because it

922
00:53:56,119 --> 00:53:56,800
didn't look like.

923
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 2: Him, But it never does trust me.

924
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes it does, but I nearly. I won't say gaged.

925
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:07,199
I just my wife said to me, are you all right?

926
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,760
And I said no. I kind of just lurched towards

927
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,760
the door. It just looked like someone had frankenstein them, basically,

928
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,119
it looked anyway. The thing was a few weeks later,

929
00:54:18,039 --> 00:54:22,360
we're going by his door and he's ivy outside, like

930
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,079
an ivy bush type thing. And this was only recently

931
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:29,800
and it's still there. Right, so there's a rose or

932
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,960
a white flower. I can't be precise. I'm not David Bellamy, right,

933
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,480
but it was a white flower on top of the ivy.

934
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,239
So I said to my wife, isn't that lovely? Somebody

935
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,559
in mourning must have just left that as in honor

936
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:44,119
of them, you know, And she said yeah. We went

937
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:46,360
off to the shops and on the way back, I

938
00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:48,480
just thought, I don't know what possessed me, but I said,

939
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:51,320
I'll I'll just touch it and see if it lifts up.

940
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:56,599
It was organic, it had grown out, just one still there,

941
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:02,239
single white flower. That happened. The other thing was at

942
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,119
an uncle who was what was called a Christian brother, right,

943
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:08,639
and I used to think that was a contradiction in terms,

944
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:10,920
because a lot of kids suffered at their hands. But

945
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,079
I had an uncle who was one of the good guys.

946
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:17,440
He died in his eighties, and I remember I came

947
00:55:17,519 --> 00:55:20,679
home after a radio show, got what's known as the dart,

948
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,239
it's like a tram system here in Dublin. Came into

949
00:55:23,239 --> 00:55:25,000
the house, there was nobody else in the house, and

950
00:55:25,039 --> 00:55:28,960
I got a waft of roses just at the bottom

951
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,199
of my bed. Can't explain that, So, you know, I

952
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:35,400
don't know even even when that man you know, had

953
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:40,840
died and it was lashing, lashing rain, you know. And

954
00:55:41,199 --> 00:55:43,239
the final thing I'd just say in relation to this

955
00:55:43,519 --> 00:55:47,159
pathetic fallacy is Steve I mentioned earlier. His mum was

956
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,719
like a mother to me, and she passed a few

957
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:55,800
years ago, and she loved butterflies. And as I did

958
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:01,719
her eulogy, a single butterfly fluttered around her coffin landed

959
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:03,480
on her coffin. I saw this with my own eyes,

960
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,280
and people who knew her were kind of all exchanging

961
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:12,159
glances because this was Norah's thing. It was butterflies. So

962
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:13,639
I don't know how you feel about that. I mean,

963
00:56:13,679 --> 00:56:16,039
I think that is as convincing to me as any

964
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:17,760
spirit box. That's where I'm coming from.

965
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 4: Guys in scott butterflies are often seen a funerals and

966
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:33,519
of the my uncle WILLI there was a butterfly falling

967
00:56:33,519 --> 00:56:36,519
out my ear there was a butterfly flying around when

968
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:41,599
they were doing his service, right, and my mother's there

969
00:56:41,639 --> 00:56:45,719
was one in the in the chapel. We're there several

970
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,519
I've been too, there's been butterflies and in the middle

971
00:56:48,519 --> 00:56:49,159
of winter.

972
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:54,719
Speaker 1: Too, yes, you know, and you see the bees in winter.

973
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

974
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,199
Speaker 2: Well, we were talking earlier about you know, going to

975
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:04,840
these historic places and when I got to go over

976
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,719
last year and Irene and her husband took me all

977
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,400
over Wales, a little bit into on the English side,

978
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:16,480
the Stonehenge and up to Bath. But we went to

979
00:57:16,519 --> 00:57:20,519
these old abbeys and castles. What was that castle? We

980
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:26,639
were at that one great one that day where Kidwelly Castle. Yes,

981
00:57:27,639 --> 00:57:31,679
and you know we were just there walking around, you know,

982
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,280
trying to feel it. But at one point I'm filming

983
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:40,199
with my phone and Irene stepped up on a little

984
00:57:40,280 --> 00:57:44,239
rock to look in this turret that couldn't be accessed

985
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:49,639
by the public. And it was one of those slit

986
00:57:49,719 --> 00:57:52,719
windows that you see in these turrets that the archers

987
00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:56,519
used to shoot out of. And she looked in there,

988
00:57:56,639 --> 00:57:58,280
and then she turned and looked at me. And she

989
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:01,159
never said a word, but I could tell by the

990
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:04,119
look on her face. And I go something there, and

991
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:07,880
she just points at it and steps down. So I

992
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,440
step up and I look in. I don't really see much,

993
00:58:11,480 --> 00:58:15,119
but I'm filming with my camera. And it wasn't until

994
00:58:15,199 --> 00:58:21,159
later looking at the footage, I caught a shadow moving

995
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,880
the entire length along the wall, about ten twelve feet

996
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:30,000
up in the air from the ground, and it stopped

997
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:33,840
halfway through. And while it was there, you could kind

998
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:36,800
of see the head moving like it was checking me out.

999
00:58:37,039 --> 00:58:39,440
And then it continued to move along the wall until

1000
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:43,360
it vanished. So that was pretty wild.

1001
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:49,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing, you can. I have two studio cameras here,

1002
00:58:49,079 --> 00:58:51,280
and one is quite an expensive thing. It's called an

1003
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,840
AVerMedia but it gets a big wide angle, but anyway

1004
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:57,360
does a freaking software glitch on it. So when I'm

1005
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,920
making a video here in the studio, I have to

1006
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:02,920
use the little thing that comes with the PC, you know,

1007
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:08,800
the little webcam, and that picks up like it sees

1008
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:14,440
dust that the other one, which is infinitely more technologically advanced,

1009
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,599
doesn't pick up. And I'm not even sure it's dust.

1010
00:59:17,719 --> 00:59:21,800
It's kind of orby in effect, so I'd well believe it. Mark,

1011
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:25,840
I mean cameras and especially audio as well. The microphone here,

1012
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,679
this is a professional. It's called Annoyman TLM. One or

1013
00:59:29,679 --> 00:59:32,559
three boys with their toys, I know. But it's very,

1014
00:59:32,679 --> 00:59:37,519
very sensitive and because there's a spectrum of sound just

1015
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:41,679
the same as there is with light and the odd

1016
00:59:41,719 --> 00:59:45,199
time when I'm editing here, the very odd time, but

1017
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:49,840
you will pick up. I can't explain it. But disembodied,

1018
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:53,159
I can't even say EVP. It's too faint. It could

1019
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:57,039
be radio stations or something. So it's groovy. There's a

1020
00:59:57,119 --> 00:59:59,679
no sixties word for you guys. It's groovy, huh.

1021
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 2: But as we used to say in California, it's bitch

1022
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:03,880
and dude.

1023
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:07,079
Speaker 1: It's bitch and dude when that happens. Yeah, because the

1024
01:00:07,119 --> 01:00:09,239
evidence is there, you know, with your own ears are eyes.

1025
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:10,599
So what mortgage Ansker.

1026
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:13,159
Speaker 2: Well, we've had like I think about three or four

1027
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,760
shows in the whole time that we've been doing that

1028
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:21,679
where we've had some strange things come through voices and

1029
01:00:21,719 --> 01:00:27,199
whatnot that we all heard and we go who was that?

1030
01:00:27,920 --> 01:00:33,559
And nobody would cop to it, and it was very interesting.

1031
01:00:33,559 --> 01:00:36,639
It was like, Okay, sometimes you couldn't make it out,

1032
01:00:36,719 --> 01:00:39,159
but there would be something there that was definitely not

1033
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:46,599
any of us. What's that? M I six, Yes, they

1034
01:00:46,599 --> 01:00:51,440
were listening in on us, checking to see if you're

1035
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:54,039
being naughty.

1036
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 4: Well, we're moving around here. Sorry, I'll keep forgetting some

1037
01:00:58,039 --> 01:01:01,119
mute the microphone. Has been so long since we've done

1038
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:04,440
a show, I've been moving around on the chair eating grapes,

1039
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,960
god knows what. So I bet you've heard all this

1040
01:01:07,079 --> 01:01:08,239
background noise, haven't you.

1041
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: Actually no, I haven't heard that pips or anything in

1042
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,400
the grapes. It's been amazing.

1043
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,960
Speaker 2: No, these are these microphones that she and I are

1044
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:19,840
using mute out everything but your voice.

1045
01:01:20,519 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah.

1046
01:01:23,239 --> 01:01:27,119
Speaker 2: So well we have come to the end of the show.

1047
01:01:28,239 --> 01:01:33,320
So again our guest has been Mark Manning, who are

1048
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:38,119
also calling Charlie because of me. Mark, And there's a

1049
01:01:38,159 --> 01:01:40,519
new show. Okay, I'm gonna butcher it.

1050
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,679
Speaker 4: Say. I tell you I've been calling him Charlie foreverything now,

1051
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:46,559
every time I've been calling it Charlie.

1052
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:53,119
Speaker 1: On tonight Charlie is good show going tonight, so I'll

1053
01:01:53,159 --> 01:01:55,199
save it. Mark, I'll save if I make it easy

1054
01:01:55,239 --> 01:01:58,320
for you. Okay, So the show is called the show

1055
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:01,639
is called Scary Era and Era is the Irish word

1056
01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:05,159
for Ireland. And if you've got any paranormal stories, we'd

1057
01:02:05,199 --> 01:02:07,599
say an Irish slant to them at all that you

1058
01:02:07,679 --> 01:02:10,199
might have heard on your grade or your friends or whatever.

1059
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:12,679
And by the way, it's not exclusively so if you've

1060
01:02:12,679 --> 01:02:16,679
got a good paranormal story, first you can email Paranormal

1061
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,239
Ireland at ProtonMail dot com and we can read it out,

1062
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,679
or we can we can even record you and put

1063
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:26,599
you on the air. That's how it works. So thanks

1064
01:02:26,679 --> 01:02:29,199
very much, Irene and Mark. I really do appreciate you

1065
01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,280
giving me the opportunity and also been on your show.

1066
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:33,360
It's been fab.

1067
01:02:33,519 --> 01:02:39,639
Speaker 2: And Mark, it's absolutely been a pleasure talking with you too,

1068
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:40,159
got awful.

1069
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 1: It's a loving it's a paranormal loving guys.

1070
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 2: There we go. Well, thank you, Mark, and thank you

1071
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,679
everybody else for tuning in to this latest edition of

1072
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:55,960
the Paranormal UK Radio Show, The Paranormal, the Flight Ship

1073
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,239
Show and the Paranormal UK Radio Gee even I screw it.

1074
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:03,840
Up after to the long break we've had. But you

1075
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:05,639
know what, where can people still find us?

1076
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 4: Ireen everywhere people just about everywhere?

1077
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 2: Well, everyone, you all take care, Thanks again for tuning in.

1078
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:17,280
We'll try to have some more news shows here soon

1079
01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:20,840
and in the meantime, be good humans. We'll talk with you.

1080
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:27,559
Speaker 4: Don't forget to tune in on the I've forgotten the

1081
01:03:27,639 --> 01:03:33,239
name of it now well whatever, well is it Mark?

1082
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:35,119
Speaker 1: What's her other show called the Ether?

1083
01:03:36,159 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 6: Oh?

1084
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:38,639
Speaker 2: Our other show, the Reality Realm.

1085
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:43,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Reality real Yes, that's that's.

1086
01:03:43,079 --> 01:03:44,719
Speaker 2: A slightly different format show.

1087
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's just yes, it's a different format you

1088
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:52,920
see the Parallel UK radio show. That's when we have

1089
01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:56,079
a guest Real Realm or whatever it is.

1090
01:03:56,199 --> 01:04:01,880
Speaker 2: Reality Reality Realm is you and I and fine quite

1091
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:06,960
in talking about very interesting topics. So yeah, so anyway,

1092
01:04:07,079 --> 01:04:12,119
yes we have the Reality rom as well. Anyway, again everyone,

1093
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,880
thanks again, be good humans, and we will talk to

1094
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:15,239
you soon.

1095
01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 4: Y bye.

