Speaker 1: What's he throughout the impossible or whatever I made the improbable.
Speaker 2: Most be true?
Speaker 3: Then it is not a question of the libero cultism.
All a touch of mysticism is today it is Empires
as a host of them souls, hellophaps, my father, spirit
dud for a certain termed more than night.
Speaker 4: Here the old gods aren't dead?
Speaker 5: And what is the true God?
Speaker 1: When he's dead? You can't complain?
Speaker 6: People assume the time is a strict progression of cause
to effect, but actually from a nonlinear, non subjective viewpoint,
it's more like a big ball of wibby wobbly thymy
wymy stuff.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Paranormal UK Radio.
Speaker 4: Hi, everybody, This is Aaron Allen from the Paranormal UK
Radio Show, the flagship show to the Paranormal UK Radio Network,
and I'm here today with Mark Johnson. Which is gonna
be a bit Mark. Mark's gonna be a bit difficult,
isn't it? Because we've got two Marks now, So I'm
not going to call you Markael Farkele.
Speaker 2: What you've called me? Yeah? Mark one and Mark two.
There we go a lot worse names.
Speaker 4: Isn't that a couple of calls?
Speaker 2: One? What too. Well, just so that people aren't confused
right away, we'll go right into introducing our guest tonight
is Mark Manning. Now, Mark, who's a resident of Ireland,
Is has joined the parent Paranormal UK Radio network with
a brand new show, Scary and I hate to as
I'm American. Sorry, scary Air.
Speaker 1: Just break break it into two. Is that air and
then say it fast.
Speaker 4: Era scary era, no era error.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think we should explain as well that era
is the Celtic word of Gaelic word for Ireland.
Speaker 2: Yes for for you know, coluts the Americans like myself.
Speaker 4: Mark, I still have to explain it all later, you know.
Speaker 2: Yes, I know. Oh well, anyway, but Mark is joining
us with his brand new show, which the premiere episode
is already out. It's going to be releasing a show
bi weekly. So Mark, we're just glad to have you
here on the network.
Speaker 1: I'm delighted to be here and thank you so much.
Not yes.
Speaker 4: One, Mark two. I can't do this.
Speaker 1: I'calore Nora Irene. I suggest that I am. You can
call me Charlie for tonight. That's what they did in
in Juranne Duran. You know they had a problem that
Simon Lebon and someone and the crew called Simon and
eventually Simon Lebon is now known as Charlie. So I'll
be Charlie in this conversation.
Speaker 4: Please, Okay, Charlie all right, much better? Yeah, yeah, I
like that. Charlie Charles Charlie the honor of Charlie. Okay,
Charlie Charlie for tonight.
Speaker 1: Hmmm. I like it.
Speaker 4: Yes, I was gonna ask you the show the show is?
What's the show? It's all about the folklore of Ireland.
Speaker 1: Well, Irene. It's a mixed it's a mixed bag. But
essentially I wouldn't be doing a paranormal show at all, right,
I would be like everybody else with my eyes shot
unless I had I hadn't seen what I saw in
the late late seventies. So I'm a convert with an
open mind. So it'll cover a variety of things. Anything
of course, that people want to contribute, that's what I
really need, and they can get us at Paranormal Ireland
at ProtonMail dot com for any Irish related stories, back
in your ancestry or whatever. So yes, it would cover
everything from I suppose you know, the little people to ghosts, sailors, soldiers, persecution,
all the all the stuff that makes up the rich
tapestry of Ireland.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right then, so that's good, Charlie.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Ireland is certainly on my bucket list to visit.
Speaker 4: Well, look, when next time you come to me, we'll
hop over there.
Speaker 2: Okay, that would be lovely. Hopefully when after you know
the crappy weather is over, which is what you're now,
we should.
Speaker 4: We go across there for a little bit of water.
I'll let you swim from halfway. But yeah, so this
I want to know what happened in the seventies.
Speaker 5: What.
Speaker 1: Happened in the seventies. Iren is still as vivid to
me now as it was back then. So getting to
the point, I was an army brat. My father was
an officer for forty years in the Irish Defense Forces.
We moved around. We were in Israel and Syria and
you name it, pretty much all around the Middle East
in the sixties. And indeed he was back in the
in the eighties in command of a camp that's now
kind of in the news. But he's passed ten years back,
and my mother a little bit before him. We had
this old British Army House in what was formerly known
as porta Bellow Barracks that had been occupied by the
English or the British troops for one hundreds and twelve
one hundred and twelve years, and it was when I
think back, it was pretty amazing place to grow up
in because what we actually had back then, you know,
and even now the house I have isn't as big
as it. It was a big house, but it was
part of a terrace or a block pardoned upon which
ran the whole length of one nearly the whole length
of one side of the barracks, and adjacent adjacent to
it was was a depot and I looked into the
plans of it as well. Originally there was a there
was an officers mess there. Getting to the point, there
was a place called the master bedroom. And for those
of you listening in the UK, you would have all
known the late Terry Wogan right and the master bedroom
looked right out over a field and across the field
there was a church and that's where Terry Wogan got married.
And it was always it always seemed to be dark
in there. It would get if it was getting the
sun at all, it would only be in the morning,
and I think I was only a kid, you know,
I was seven or eight, and I think I was
sharing it with a sister, little sisters two years younger
than me, and I woke up around early ish. I'd say,
you know, it was a long time ago, but I
know it was dawn. It was four o'clock type thing,
and I can still see what I believe was probably
either stone tape theory in action or a replaying of something.
It was a lady you could say apparition, you could
say specter, but it was quite vivid, and I know,
and I knew even at that age she was from
another time. There was the long blue I know it's
a bit cliched, but she had the long blue cloak.
She was very serene. There was nothing in the least
menacing or threatening about her, and a pale faced and
long dark hair, which actually my mother had long black hair,
but it wasn't her. This lady was, as I said,
from another era. And do you know, guys, I was
offered that room when I was twenty four years of
age and I wouldn't take it right. So that's the
effect it had on me. But she was looking at
me essentially just serenely looking at me from the doorway
of the master bedroom, and eye contact did not last
too long, I can tell you, but what I saw
was enough to convince me of what I saw. The
hair does stand up on your head, It actually does.
I can verify it did. I could feel it, and
I wasn't hanging around. I gingerly got under the covers
and research yeah, she'd cacking myself and say say, and
resurfaced equally as gingerly. Some hours later, probably came downstairs
and I really I remember saying, listen, I've seen I
saw a woman in that room last night. And of
course it was a school day and I was told
to eat your rice crispy snap crackle, and pop out
the door with you the school. Now, there were a
few other things reported about that house from sisters of mine.
You know, I have a funny even airline pilot and
in the house we've a psychologist and an author. So
we were as a as I said, you know, it
was just a big army family Brady bunch, three boys,
three girls, and one of them would say, oh, I
feel evil in that room. But you know the worst
thing about it, Irene and Marcus. I could never really
take anybody else's experiences seriously apart from mine because and
that was probably wrong of me, because people did did
say they and including a friend of mine, would you know,
with no dog in the fight. He came in one
day and he was in the toilet and he said,
who's doing the singing? And my mother had said that
she'd heard music, harpsichord type music as well in the place.
But that's what I saw, Irene. I could go on
about it, but that was enough to convince me that
was something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what what time do you think she was from?
Speaker 1: Well, funny you asked, because I have my suspicion and
it could be totally erroneous. Let me answer your question.
Probably the eighteen seventies. Yeah, And I have a reason
for saying that, because I have a half baked theory.
I did a bit of research and it's online if
you go Portobello Barracks or Cattle Brew of Barracks as
it is now. There was a poisoning in now, there
was a lot of things. If you listen to the
first The Pirate the pilot show and that went out,
you'll hear an interview in situ there with the current curator.
But there was a poisoning, a notorious there was a
murder case. A poisoning happened on December twenty seventh, eighteen
seventy three, and a Anne Winford Marsha. Now that's a
triple barreled English name for sure. Probably I'm suspecting maybe
an officer's wife or something. But a Gunner Donaldson was
found sprawled poisoned, the death across a bed in an apartment.
I'm not sure if they shared it or not. I
think it could have been an affair or something. I
really don't know. But she there was evidence given that
she had purchased stryctnine in Wrathminds, which is a town
this barracks is situated in within the week or so beforehand.
This is what the guy had died of. So the
evidence was loaded against her. But funny enough, back then
the trial took place and she was found not guilty
despite that evidence. By it happened in December by February
of the following year, eighteen seventy four. So what I
would love to find out and I couldn't big because
even though the archives are still there, they only date
from when the Irish marched into the barracks and the
British handed it over to them. In nineteen twenty two.
The original records went back with the British. They could
be in Q Gardens in London, and if I could
tie the apartment to our house at the time, which
was f house, it could have been worse like pea
house was across the way. But if I could tie
it to that, that would explain to me. Maybe I
had a replay of somebody in either in grief or
in despair or in trauma. You know, that's the that's
the be all and end of all of that story.
But it was That's why I think it was the
eighteen seventies.
Speaker 4: You saw so sorry you saw did she look up set?
Speaker 2: No trauma?
Speaker 1: No, I wasn't even exactly in the tap dance myself.
She was she looked at the word I used earlier, serene,
only you know what in retrospect. In retrospect you might
have given me looking through me, you know she was.
I felt she was looking at me, but she could
be looking through me. And as I said, if it's
just some kind of a replay, you know, an explanation
of energy or a burst of trauma or something, but
I listen that it could all be kakamane. But the
bottom line was I saw what I saw, and even
though you know, people have tried to rationalize it as
I've gotten older, and even my own mind wants to
try and rationalize it, it was too vivid. It was
you know it. And I wouldn't be true to a
little eight year old Mark Manning if I said, ah, yeah,
I was imagining stuff, because I bloody wasn't. And that
was underpinned. That was underpinned in twenty nineteen when I
revisited the place and stuff was told to me by
the army guys that were there.
Speaker 4: Oh now, Michael Farkel, isn't that interesting?
Speaker 1: Yes, that's it. Charlie is a mine of useless information.
Speaker 4: You know what I was thinking, Marco Farkel, h this
is silly. You know what I was thinking when you
was when Charlie was saying, oh that she looks surry,
and there was the first thing across my mind. Is
that woman I saw in my son's place that time? Yes,
mm hmm, yeah, the way she looked at me.
Speaker 1: I heard that story, Iren, Sorry to interject, I heard
that story. Is this is where she got as much
as a shock as you got.
Speaker 4: Yeah, she recognized she could see me. Mr she was
time travel something like that. I don't know how. All
I know is that she saw me and I saw her,
and the expression I think you could see in the
expression on her face to the shop.
Speaker 1: Imagine the conversation around her breakfast table the next day.
In a ghost from the future.
Speaker 4: I saw a ghostly that's dressed weird.
Speaker 2: She probably wouldn't understand what she was looking at.
Speaker 4: Maybe she was should you look at me, dory.
Speaker 2: Maybe it was one of those situations where she's just
too in shock to pay attention to what you're wearing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you know, I often do think like you
like just said. You know, if she was from the future,
or she did go back to her family or back
into her own life, did she turn around and say
to them she's seen a ghost?
Speaker 1: Most likely she did. You know.
Speaker 4: It's weird, isn't it when you think about it. Are
we all crossing dimensions, zig zagging about, and all we
ghosts in other people and other people's eyes from other dimensions?
Or are we just seeing ghosts dead people?
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of dimensions, and this is your show, so
I'm just just giving my own. You know, when I
was a bit older than let's say, I was heading
towards finishing school, we were all kind of we all
spoke Irish in a particular college rights because I was
I failed literally looking out on that field. I was
mentioning earlier there was a college, but my schooling was
all over the place when I was young, so I
failed the entrance exam. I ended up going into town
every day and as a result, so I was in
this kind of old boys Irish speaking college. Right up
at the top of O'Connell Street were all the infamous
riots to place last year, and we were chasing the girlies,
you see, So I will get to the point here
who were in as young as young boys do. And
God for you know, God forgive the gods of fashion.
But believe it or not, do not ask me why
I had borrowed a pair of my sisters. You know
those kind of thigh length to boots, Well they weren't
quite thigh up to the calf. And I convinced myself
I was looking hard as as some kind of a
biker right big each just as we say here, and
we were going up to meet the girls from Skull
Katrina to try and, as we say in Ireland, get
off with them right. And I got hit. I got
hit by a car. I got hit by a car,
a Mark and Irene and I went like a ballerina,
pirouetting around like the opening scene of the Sound of Music.
I went spinning around right and one of the boots,
by the way got ripped all the way open. So
the guy was breaking. She wasn't. I think she'd long
abandoned them at that stage. She'd grown up. But talk
about another I get to the point Mark right that
I was knocked into another dimension. It felt like an
elect it was an electric pulse in my head. I
got a glancing blow. I suppose it would be described
as and you literally hear and I don't know how
I did get home. I didn't end up in the hospital.
I came home. I said to my mother, and you
know what, Iren, this will date it for you. You
might remember the look of the Look of Love by ABC.
Oh yeah, that's the look. That's the look I remember.
That was on television at the time, So that would
have been nineteen eighty one, eighty twoish with my DJ
hat on me and I said to my mother, I
was hit by a car. And she looked at me
and of course, you know Darland, and you know, you
look all right to me, have your dinner. But I,
you know, I do think we aren't. I do think
something that knocked me to my core. It was it
was like an electric pulse. So God knows where we
end up when we do cross, you know, but I
felt I was somewhere. I was knocked out of it.
You know. That was a break for ads.
Speaker 2: By the way, Well, you know, that's actually a very
interesting story because it goes along the lines with a
lot of topics we've talked about with you know, inter
dimensional different vibrations, a lot of reality is all happening
at once. Were just tuned into one, and you know,
going through a traumatic experience like that could like shock
your your body or your brain or whatever, changing frequencies
momentarily to experience something quite different.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was knocked into another dimension, That's what it
felt like. And the driver was panicking. He was because
he knew I think maybe he was going too fast
or something, and he said, well I get him to
a hospital. Will I get him to a hospital. And
of course one of my best friends, by the way,
who you might hear on the show. He's over in
the States at the moment, Steve. Steve and I are
friends for fifty years, you know, as your best friends
always do. What was Steve doing when all this was happening,
breaking his heart? Laughing? And I said, I'm just.
Speaker 4: Gonna say, if it was mock, I'd be killing myself laughing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he said. I said to him, some mate, you
are as I was recovering my composer, and he said, oh, sorry,
it's shock, it's shock.
Speaker 4: Honestly, Mark, I wouldn't laugh. I would not laugh at
you para writing around.
Speaker 2: Oh yes you would. If I went flipping ass over Teacuttle,
you'd be on the ground rolling.
Speaker 1: I'll lend you my I lend you my biker's boots sometimes, Mark,
and you can do a replay.
Speaker 4: When you come back here.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 4: That would be funny. That would be funny.
Speaker 2: So Mark, tell us a little bit about your career.
I mean, you have had quite a career doing a
number of different things, including being a voiceover artist, and
I mean, what else we ells have you been doing
with your life.
Speaker 1: I still am a voiceover artist, and can I announce
to you you will be in good company because I
can't name him right, but he do a little voice over,
the guy who does NBC and CNBC, and he's very
very official. I got him to record something for Scary Era.
It's just a little by to bye in answer to
your question. And that guy, by the way, he can
command a serious amount of money for his voiceovers. Yeah, okay,
So started out an army brat, you know that bit
army family all. My grandfather indeed was in British Army,
and I thought he was just enlisted in the First
World War. And this is about me, not him. I'm
just saying, I'm just setting the scene for you. And
he came over after the war and discovered it wasn't
such a long way to Tipperary. He literally went to Tipperary,
as the song goes, and he was into radio back
in the war. Isn't that weird? Kind of Now then
it would have been morse than all that. But I
saw his army records, so I thought, like my brother
as well, who used to fly the government jet. Here
he was in our little what we won't call it
an air force, it's air Corps. He used to fly
the government jet around, and I thought I'd make it
as a cadet, and I was doing my little bit
in what would be your reserves, probably Mark and the
territorials to you, Irene, and I was doing well in it.
But I'm afraid I didn't guess what was called a
great lead insert. I was just short the one honor,
as it was known, to get into the cadets. And
maybe it's just as well I didn't, because I think
I might have been a bit of a mummy's boy.
But I had one best soldier and stuff like that,
and I was a bit army barmie. But the plan
with me was always the first love was always broadcasting,
and that never really happened. And I thought, I'll do
the army for five six years or whatever. I'll get
out as a captain or something, and I'll really go
for radio. But when the cadet ship fell through, now
I could have probably gone back, but I God, I
hated school. I cannot tell you how much I detested school.
Like a lot of my generation. I mean we were
physically Now there were people sexually abused, but we were
certainly physically and mentally abused, and both those in my case,
when I was in primary school, so I was not
going back to school, I can tell you. So I
fell into a company. At that stage it was called
Rank Xerox. You might know them, of course as Xerox.
And that was interesting. I was just like a little
copy bureau guy, which, in other words, you came in
and said, here's the original. Can I have fifty copies
of that? Or a thousand copies of that? And I
was the guy who served you. And if you've ever
seen the film Working nine to five where the photocopier
kind of explodes on Jane Fond, I think that's called
a ninety four hundred photocopier. And I even remember the stats.
I think it was two prints a second, seven an hour,
five reams of paper. I remember, any I was doing
all this stuff. But I used to see these guys
in nice suits who had company cars, talked about things,
talked about things called commission always had There was always
competitions for foreign holidays. There was a lot of glamor
around it. Funny enough, they were never short of women.
And I used to go, sorry, guys, I know you
don't swear on this show, but I kind of go
f that I know more about these fricking copiers and
these prats, do you know. So every time someone came
into the shop, I was so helpful to them. But
even then I was a cannive in little sod, you know,
because the customer would say, I've never had such good
service in my life, Thank you so much. And I'd say,
if you liked it so much, would you mind just
writing a note to such and such? So I started
what did they call it like it used to be
during the war or something. Wasn't it like the fifth Column?
You know? I started my own, my own little campaign.
And I could have taught Camelon and Trump the thing
or two. So I started my own kind of what
you call it clandestine operation in the background. So all
these letters started coming in saying how good Mark Manning
was to the management accidentally on purpose. But then then
I used to hassle a guy who who was a manager. Anyway,
let me just cut to the chase. I became a salesman,
and I became a bloody good one at a very
young age, made it to major accounts in Xerox back
in the eighties when everybody else was leaving the country,
I was flying to five star hotels. I had a
company car under my arse and had lovely suits and
a few bob I wasn't really focused on money at
that stage. That came later, so it was a good
place to be when you were twenty two with a
top multinational whoy hugely and still are ethical company. I
learned so much from them, and it was fun because
when you're doing well in sales, if you're doing well,
as I remember a boss saying to me, he said
two things. Number one, welcome to the club. You're naked,
right or what he meant by that, Yeah, what he
meant by that, Irene, was that you are going to
be seen by us whether on your performance. You either
are making the business, you are getting the numbers, or
you're not and you're on your own kid. Best to look,
you know, see you. I was told I was naked.
I was also told, congratulations, you have your own business,
to to which degree I did have as well, because
it was sink or swim by yourself. I had a
year of disaster, by the way, the first year terrible.
I used to drive to the Phoenix Park, biggest open
air park in Europe. I used to sit there waiting
to be fired. And I even remember there was a
couple that used to drive up. They were obviously having
an affair because they didn't realize I was the watcher
in the woods, and I'd be stipping in my car,
as I said, waiting to get the call to be fired.
This was before mobile phones. I was driving back to
the office with my tail between my leggs because I
hadn't sold anything, you know, But I used to see
these two walk gloriously hand in hand into the glade,
getting up to all kinds of unmentionedable things. But I
was about to have my old job back because I'd
made a ball basically at the sales thing. This was
year one, right, and you know the way you get
a mentor and the top guy and the company. God
rest Joe. Joe Nolan said to me, kid, you can
run for the rest of your life where you can
come at me and watch outs done. And he took
me from the bottom of the Death Valley to the
top of the Empire State Building. In terms of my confidence,
my sales and I just took off. I was a
whiz kid back then, and so sales went on quite
a few years, got into laptop computers, just at the
right time with Tashiba, who were like the BMW of
laptops back then, and I opened accounts like for like
intel Er Huge here as our Microsoft. Indeed, I supplied
Bill Gates with his laptop when he came came over
for to launch Windows in ninety five. So anyway, a
big career in sales, but always on the peripheral that
was radio. Always I was with the pirate stations as
they were called, Sunshine one on one, radio double and
all these that folks, and I yeah, they were great.
I'm glad you said that, Irene, because they they don't
make him like they used to now look at there
was a lot of wild stuff went on there as well,
with like someone reading and reading the news and as
he was reading it, someone would have a Zippo lighter
on the script underneath or pour cold water down his
next stuff. You wouldn't get away. But on a professional station,
I was in the place, by the way, a notorious
place called Radio Dublin. Who the guy is dead now
so I can he well was. He was the worst
kind of individual you can without getting into detail, you
can imagine if you know who the worst ones are,
beginning with to Pee. That's what he was. That's what
he was, and there was stuff going on there upstairs.
I didn't know about it. I was like, I was
only twenty twenty one at the time, but I would
be doing a late night show and that's when you
really get the pulse.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's not so much that people are around all the time,
it's the ones that are up at that hour and
night and you'd hear all kinds of God. I listened
to an old tape recently. I died of embarrassment.
Speaker 4: Because my little voice was like that, you know, and
actually thought I was somebody on radio and I was
like sounding very partial. But then how come you got
this voice?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 1: Something wrong? Charlie. Charlie's things dropped. I suppose over time.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, something must have dropped.
Speaker 1: Yes, and let's just leave it at that. But look
at guys, So's it's got a long story short. It's
been DJ, it's been soldier, it's been salesperson, it's been author.
I've written as well as I always say I've taken
to I'm taking the publishing world by cam, but it's
up there anyway. I'm the TV presenter as well for
a while in the around two thousand and nine ish,
and then I felt it. Guys, I'm sixty one and
I fell into voiceover when I was fifty and I
haven't looked back.
Speaker 2: Well, you certainly have a voice for it. Definitely, yes,
definitely got voice.
Speaker 4: But one of these voices that might.
Speaker 2: We might have to speak to him about doing a
few promos.
Speaker 1: You might may have, Jave, I can do a few
voices as well, but if you did, you probably didn't.
But David McGlynn was on the Squire on the on
the initial show, and we like to do a bit
of lamely some every so often. I range, you know
what I mean, what are you doing tonight? Love? We'd
like to do the voices, but that's what it is.
And then of course I found myself listening to Paranormal
Radio UK at all the wee small hours of the morning.
Speaker 4: Find us?
Speaker 2: I found you?
Speaker 4: Did you find us? I say that we go everywhere anyway.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you how I found you. There's there's a
little app on my phone. It looks like an alien
with a headset on us. That's the eye.
Speaker 2: Ah, yes, oh shoot, there are a a branch off
of I have it too with the Paranormal Radio app
from rock stream Live. And listen to this, guys, we
hear silence.
Speaker 1: That's your did you hear silence?
Speaker 2: Yeah? These microphones.
Speaker 1: There you go.
Speaker 2: Yep, here we are in the background.
Speaker 1: And I used to listen to you guys and not
just saying that. And I used to listen to David
Young was it the Paranormal peep Show? And it would
be I still love that. Yeah, And I was great
for what is it insomnia? You know, and you know
you'd switch it on and put little ear pods in
because I don't sleep that great.
Speaker 2: As long as we're not causing in Yeah, well that
could be taken one of two ways.
Speaker 1: No, it was very enjoyable in a RESTful way.
Speaker 5: M hm.
Speaker 2: So now, well I find myself sometimes I'll throw on
old Art Bell podcasts.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've heard that. Yeah, he's twenty five. Yeah, yeah,
he passed.
Speaker 2: We were actually on his station when he went digital,
the Dark Matter Digital Network before we formed the pa
UK network.
Speaker 1: But that was a huge audience, wasn't it. It's syndicated,
isn't it. Isn't it?
Speaker 2: Well, his old show he was on Coast to Coast, Yes, yeah,
and that was syndicated all over. That was back in
the nineties and he was really really big, And then
in the early two thousands he kind of retired, came
back a little bit part time. There was some drama
there with with the company that owned it, and he
had some disputes with him. But then when his non
compete was up, he went over to Sirius XM and
he only lasted about six weeks and he got into
a dispute with them and quit. So then he had
another non compete for two years. So in the meantime,
his webmaster put together the station in his name with
the intention of it being Art was going to come
back with his own new show, which was Midnight in
the Desert and be just like the old Art Bell Show,
except it was purely online and we were the leading show,
which I'm proud to say.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah. He was out in Las Vegas, way, I think,
wasn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He lived in a small town south of Las Vegas,
about an hour called Perumpt and he had lived out
there for years. He went to the Philippines for a
couple of years and then he came back. Art was
a great He was a master if there's somebody. I mean,
he started paranormal radio, but to be fair, he talked
about all sorts of different subjects, not just paranormal anything that.
He would talk about anything pretty much. And he had
a lot of great guests on for that time period.
And it's strange sometimes to go back and listen to
the old shows, especially when some some buddy comes on
they're trying to do predictions on what's gonna happen for
the future. It's like, well, let's see, they got that wrong.
They got the.
Speaker 1: Wrong wrong, and they got so much wrong.
Speaker 4: He didn't pull punches, did they.
Speaker 1: No, No, Iren, I've had a question to ask you.
Do you do the oh, you know, like it's a
it's a you can see things from afar, you know,
the vision thing to see Ia used to do and
all that. Yes, do you do with that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That's interesting?
Speaker 4: Well do you want me to do it? Do you
want me to find out about that?
Speaker 2: Lady?
Speaker 1: You know, I'll tell you. I'll tell you why because
the only and I'll keep it short because I do
go on. I know myself. Listen, folks, I apologize. But
the only other kind of paranormal experience I had was
back in and I was in Utah and well as
well there in the States with I used to visit
Utah to my friends and Utah to It was like
a Facebook for the dead, this thing we were trying
to put together. It's a long story anyway, but one
of the people I met when was a lady from
la who's one of her claims to fame was she
would paint the oscars, now not the actual ones that
are presented to the stars, but the ones that line
the red carpet. So she was really a nice person.
I can't quite remember her name. And she used to
tune into you if you like, from a distance. All right.
So she had done a reading for me way back,
and it was lovely. It was all print centered out
and gave it to me a freebe kind It was
all printed out and everything. I thought, this lady knows
it's But anyway, about a year or two later I
got in touch with her, and I think I was
hinting for another reading at the time, but she wanted
to charge, and I was just been Charlie at the time.
I wasn't going to cough up a few dollars for
it anyway. I just said, listen, what story have you
been watching over me recently? Now, this, folks is I
will go to I will swear on a stack of bibles.
So she said to me, she said, Mark, yeah, you
know that lovely kind of hippie dream girl way. She said, oh, Mark, here,
I haven't quite tuned into your energy recently, but I
did a while back, and I don't know, it doesn't
really make a lot of sense. And what she related
to me was she said, there is a lyric from
a cold Play song and it's saying, I don't want
to be a cycle of recycled revenge. I'm telling I
am telling you guys. This was back when I used
to don Do you remember ironing you do your trousers
and stuff. I suppose because I was wearing suits back
then on shirts. So I was maybe there are children
who are grown up young ladies. Now there might have
been any babies at the time. I was some time
before I had talked to her a few weeks I'd
been ironing in my conservatory. I've been earning my knickknacks,
my little bits and pieces iron yeah, my small as well.
And I had been listening to Lavida. It's not Ricky
Martin what I'm looking at here Lavida Viva Viva Lavida
by cold Play. And another thing I used to do
was I used to do these short stories by Mark Manning,
a man with an Irish accent, and I do poetry
and stuff, and that lyric came up out of the
stereo to me, I don't want to be a cycle
of cycled revenge. Now. I never shared that with anyone,
but all as I remember saying to myself that day
as I roned merrily away, was God, that's a bloody
good lyric. I wish i'd written that, said it to
nobody but me in my head. Now if that was
a coincidence.
Speaker 4: So that's when you think she tuned in at that
very moment, and well she must.
Speaker 1: She must have had retained it in my head because
I'm that kind. I will write down stuff if it
if it appeals to me. But I don't think. I
just remember saying I just remember listening to the song
because there was no one else around, and saying, God,
I wish i'd written that that. That sounds really cool.
That's true. You know when you when someone said something
or write something and you go, I wish I wish
i'd done that. So that was the only other reason.
Now there has been a few other things as well,
and stories and all, but I won't bore you with them.
But that that happened yet, Oh interesting not?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's very few people can really tune in like that.
In my experience, I haven't really met hardly anyone that
was as good as they claimed per se. I meant
a lot of so called psychics or mediums or am
I good? Oh you're the best? Darling?
Speaker 1: Am I interrupting something? Here? Guys each other?
Speaker 2: Iron Irene's okay, you know she she she hit something
once in the blue moon.
Speaker 4: But you know, say keep we were Oh sorry.
Speaker 1: Do you sit there with charts or at blank paper
or any of that. The man who's stared at goat stuff.
Speaker 4: Now I can do that, Yeah, I can do it
that way. So I'll tell you one that I really
really like. It's and I'm not asleep when this happens.
You know, when you're sleeping, and you know when you're
not sleeping, you got to bed, you know, you're in
that between that that time I've fallen asleep, but you're
not asleep.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Then when I get things, then I always manage or
try to remember to let Mark know the following days
so that you can write it all down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because she'll forget it.
Speaker 4: That some powerful stuff doing that, and I'm not.
Speaker 2: I still have a lot of m Well there there
was that. There was the Malaysian flight. Yeah, that airplane.
Speaker 4: Where that is?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well you you do?
Speaker 1: You know where the plane is now?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well she picked it up three days okay, never mind,
not over the air, No the air okay.
Speaker 4: No, otherwise I'm going to have people pastoring me tomorrow.
He's doing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's underwater, Say it's underwater, all right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, h well, it's true. What Mark? The only thing
I would say is I told Mark exactly where it was,
long before they and I told him what route it took. No,
I'm going to get arrested tomorrow. Long before that it
was broadcast out what route was taken. I said where
it changed to direction and everything, long before that ever
came out and.
Speaker 1: The transponder was turned off. The transponder was turned off.
I think, so you did well.
Speaker 2: But so we worked a few before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, my fricking door tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Well, don't tell anybody where you live anyway. Now we've
worked several paranormal cases together and tuned in. In fact,
there was this one in Wales and I'll tell this
one Irene, because this girl had contacted us convinced that
there was some evil witch like being in her house.
And long story short, we realized that she was the
one creating it with their own energy. She was spiking
her energy was spiking and creating something like we call
it a tulpa, which is like, was.
Speaker 1: She a teenager or what age?
Speaker 2: No, she was a woman in her twenties, but she
had people put things in her head that would scare
her and then that's what would start manifesting. I mean
even her boyfriend saw this stuff at the time. But
yet something never felt right about the case. And then
when she said, well, some psychic told her, well, witches
used to practice, you know, i double worshiping in the basement.
Well it turned out the house never had a basement.
But yet she convinced herself that there was a witch
in the house and she'd see an old hag at
the top of the stairs. And we realized that through
through not only our regular research but Irene doing her thing,
we were able to actually disprove it and explain to
her what was happening. Oh my god, this woman got
so mad at us because we did not tell her
what she wanted to hear.
Speaker 1: Yeah we got.
Speaker 2: We got like a really nasty earful from her, didn't we.
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Absolutely, In fact, not really, you know she was there
was no witch.
Speaker 2: There was there was nothing, There was nothing there. It
was her creating it out of her own fears. So
that's an interesting case.
Speaker 1: There's an an old Irish saying, and you could say
it to her even if she did get her nickers.
In a twist, you could say, I'm sorry, but the
truth is shamed but never blamed.
Speaker 2: Interesting. I'll have to keep it.
Speaker 1: I'll have to write that shamed but never blamed, missus.
I'm sorry our findings are not in accordance. But what's
in your head? But them's the breaks?
Speaker 4: Mhmm.
Speaker 2: Well, Mark Charlie. With doing your new podcast, Scary Era,
I mean, you're gonna be talking a lot about different
things around Ireland. Is there a particular topic that interests
you the most? I know you had your one ghostly
experience but not much else. But is there something that
really intrigues you? Yes?
Speaker 1: Sorry you asked, but I'll keep it shortened. In a
couple of bulletin points, right, really quick stuff. So to
look forward to on the second episode of Scary Era,
butter Cup, So we have a ghost in a radio
station that happened about twenty years ago and a newsreader
who's been on the air at anti years and she's
a lovely person, Bernie Jamison. She's gonna talk about that.
The banchie is something I can talk about.
Speaker 4: I am glad that you took about the banchee.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the banshee. My mother experienced that and she was
taken from her family when she was young because of
the TV tuberculosis epidemic and she ended up like literally
putting oh pennies on dead people's eyes and help them
lay out the dead when she was only about twelve,
you know. But anyway, a banshee came in via one
of the patients, so I can relate that. The castles
as well. Kennedy Castle, which and I think featured on
Most Haunted. I personally did business with alb was in
television with the manager of that and he's.
Speaker 4: Wore is that one with the tom the thing up
on the balcony.
Speaker 1: Oh, I think that's Lepper Leap Castle. That's yeah, the
Elemental and then guys as well as that, we have
the hell Fire Club, which is notorious as also club
as I was up there after midnight about two years
ago and I have a recording of that. Not the
can't say so anything, but do you know it's amazing,
whether you believe or not, when you do go to
historic places at night. Of course you're got your you know,
your sensitivities are going to be on alert. But what
what is, you know, incontrovertible is the fact that you
are within historic environs. It doesn't matter if you see
anything or you don't. You are kind of in there
where something happened. And by the way, I don't know
how people feel about spirit boxes and that kind of
carry on, you know, the ones that say John and
that says Hale and then I want to tell you
a little very quickly behind those I mean, as a
voiceover guy, every so often I get sent scripts, right,
and in this particular case, they're called prompts, and what
they are is a jumble of disparate words, right, with
absolutely no relationship whatsoever. So I get paid just to
read out paranormal door ghost John Egbert Baby, you know,
and obviously, somebody jumbles them into an electronic device, sells
it to people who know know better, and they all
jump and build their whole investigation around the fact that
this thing has spoken a few words to them, which
Mark Manning probably said five or six months beforehand in
his gutio. I'm you know, I'm as skeptical as anybody else.
I'm not into the you know, the most taunted when
they're screaming and roaring and jumping around the place that
carry on.
Speaker 2: One of the ghost adventures, guys like dude, oh my god, Yeah, same.
Speaker 1: Thing at Scooby Doo with the eyes moving in the
painting on the wall.
Speaker 2: The Actually we did an investigation what about a month
month and a half ago. I did one here locally
for the first time. It's been a few years since
I've been out. I'm trying to get back into it.
And I had one of those investigators who was on
TV with one of their own TV shows, and that's
exactly what they were doing, using these spirit boxes things
to race with the voices. And I'm kind of rolling
my eyes, thinking this isn't a real investigation. But I
had my equipment going and we bloody caught stuff. I mean,
we caught e vps. Uh. There was one that it
seemed to say Irene's name, even you know she wasn't there,
but because she was looking into it, it said her
name that and Renee I think it said yeah, yeah
and uh. And we caught a partial apparition at the
top of a stairway. So that's all. That's fascinating. But see,
you know, when I go into an investigation, I try
not to use any of those new gadgets or tools whatever.
Old school plus going off of an Irene taught me this,
you know, going off of you know what your body
is telling you too? What are you picking up on him?
Trying to like improve my own senses. And there is
definitely some heavy energy there, especially in the basement.
Speaker 1: Absolutely the body and indeed the biggest organ and it
sounds of it. And in the body, of course is
like the skin. You know, your your skin sensitive, It's
got sensors all over it, like you know.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why when people their hair stands up on end,
they get goose bumps, chills like an electrical electrical feeling.
I get a tingling on my scalp when I feel
something's nearby or a slight headache.
Speaker 4: Taking on your scalpe if I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you're looking into me and you're you're you're
trying to mess with me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, but we uh yeah, it's it's uh again.
I'm more old school, but old school will not old school.
Speaker 4: But that's that's the best way to be old school.
You know, all these gadgets they come up with nowadays,
you don't know what looks like Charlie was just saying
about on the ghost box, you.
Speaker 2: Know, especially anything you can download on your phone. Yeah,
these phone apps.
Speaker 4: No, yeah, this is it. My grandchildren they were going
around with their telephones because they had a ghosty thing
on there, and they were going around all the rooms
in the house. And I'll tell you what, instead of
having four gosts, I suddenly got about three hundred that night.
There was one in every bloody corner, sitting on the
so forth, sitting in the office, you know, and it
was everywhere, these ghosts.
Speaker 1: I think as well, without all that gadgetry. I don't
know how you feel about like. And I'm not sure
if it's a phenomenon, but certainly the whole area of
pathetic fallacy. If you've ever heard of that. I think
it's first mentioned in Shakespeare, and I was giving an example.
I don't know if I did it on that show recently,
or of other things as well that I broadcast, but say,
for instance, not too long ago, in fact, just about
six weeks ago, guys, I had a very good neighbor
of mine, a fine man, but he was he was
on his own, and he took his own life. He
had got to a certain he'd hurt himself, his back
had been killing him and his neck. But I also
think he he lived on his own, and his children
had all grown up. And it's a fine man as well,
you know, fine man, but he took his own life.
And we were passing by. He was a stalwart as
well of this little terrorace as we live in. You know,
there's myself, my wife, another couple and him. We were
kind of there for the long haul, you know. But yeah,
he took his own life recently. So sad to see
him being taken, you know, a stretcher with a blanket
on it. Oh god. And you know I went to
the viewing kind of and I shouldn't have because it
didn't look like.
Speaker 2: Him, But it never does trust me.
Speaker 1: Well, sometimes it does, but I nearly. I won't say gaged.
I just my wife said to me, are you all right?
And I said no. I kind of just lurched towards
the door. It just looked like someone had frankenstein them, basically,
it looked anyway. The thing was a few weeks later,
we're going by his door and he's ivy outside, like
an ivy bush type thing. And this was only recently
and it's still there. Right, so there's a rose or
a white flower. I can't be precise. I'm not David Bellamy, right,
but it was a white flower on top of the ivy.
So I said to my wife, isn't that lovely? Somebody
in mourning must have just left that as in honor
of them, you know, And she said yeah. We went
off to the shops and on the way back, I
just thought, I don't know what possessed me, but I said,
I'll I'll just touch it and see if it lifts up.
It was organic, it had grown out, just one still there,
single white flower. That happened. The other thing was at
an uncle who was what was called a Christian brother, right,
and I used to think that was a contradiction in terms,
because a lot of kids suffered at their hands. But
I had an uncle who was one of the good guys.
He died in his eighties, and I remember I came
home after a radio show, got what's known as the dart,
it's like a tram system here in Dublin. Came into
the house, there was nobody else in the house, and
I got a waft of roses just at the bottom
of my bed. Can't explain that, So, you know, I
don't know even even when that man you know, had
died and it was lashing, lashing rain, you know. And
the final thing I'd just say in relation to this
pathetic fallacy is Steve I mentioned earlier. His mum was
like a mother to me, and she passed a few
years ago, and she loved butterflies. And as I did
her eulogy, a single butterfly fluttered around her coffin landed
on her coffin. I saw this with my own eyes,
and people who knew her were kind of all exchanging
glances because this was Norah's thing. It was butterflies. So
I don't know how you feel about that. I mean,
I think that is as convincing to me as any
spirit box. That's where I'm coming from.
Speaker 4: Guys in scott butterflies are often seen a funerals and
of the my uncle WILLI there was a butterfly falling
out my ear there was a butterfly flying around when
they were doing his service, right, and my mother's there
was one in the in the chapel. We're there several
I've been too, there's been butterflies and in the middle
of winter.
Speaker 1: Too, yes, you know, and you see the bees in winter.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, we were talking earlier about you know, going to
these historic places and when I got to go over
last year and Irene and her husband took me all
over Wales, a little bit into on the English side,
the Stonehenge and up to Bath. But we went to
these old abbeys and castles. What was that castle? We
were at that one great one that day where Kidwelly Castle. Yes,
and you know we were just there walking around, you know,
trying to feel it. But at one point I'm filming
with my phone and Irene stepped up on a little
rock to look in this turret that couldn't be accessed
by the public. And it was one of those slit
windows that you see in these turrets that the archers
used to shoot out of. And she looked in there,
and then she turned and looked at me. And she
never said a word, but I could tell by the
look on her face. And I go something there, and
she just points at it and steps down. So I
step up and I look in. I don't really see much,
but I'm filming with my camera. And it wasn't until
later looking at the footage, I caught a shadow moving
the entire length along the wall, about ten twelve feet
up in the air from the ground, and it stopped
halfway through. And while it was there, you could kind
of see the head moving like it was checking me out.
And then it continued to move along the wall until
it vanished. So that was pretty wild.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing, you can. I have two studio cameras here,
and one is quite an expensive thing. It's called an
AVerMedia but it gets a big wide angle, but anyway
does a freaking software glitch on it. So when I'm
making a video here in the studio, I have to
use the little thing that comes with the PC, you know,
the little webcam, and that picks up like it sees
dust that the other one, which is infinitely more technologically advanced,
doesn't pick up. And I'm not even sure it's dust.
It's kind of orby in effect, so I'd well believe it. Mark,
I mean cameras and especially audio as well. The microphone here,
this is a professional. It's called Annoyman TLM. One or
three boys with their toys, I know. But it's very,
very sensitive and because there's a spectrum of sound just
the same as there is with light and the odd
time when I'm editing here, the very odd time, but
you will pick up. I can't explain it. But disembodied,
I can't even say EVP. It's too faint. It could
be radio stations or something. So it's groovy. There's a
no sixties word for you guys. It's groovy, huh.
Speaker 2: But as we used to say in California, it's bitch
and dude.
Speaker 1: It's bitch and dude when that happens. Yeah, because the
evidence is there, you know, with your own ears are eyes.
So what mortgage Ansker.
Speaker 2: Well, we've had like I think about three or four
shows in the whole time that we've been doing that
where we've had some strange things come through voices and
whatnot that we all heard and we go who was that?
And nobody would cop to it, and it was very interesting.
It was like, Okay, sometimes you couldn't make it out,
but there would be something there that was definitely not
any of us. What's that? M I six, Yes, they
were listening in on us, checking to see if you're
being naughty.
Speaker 4: Well, we're moving around here. Sorry, I'll keep forgetting some
mute the microphone. Has been so long since we've done
a show, I've been moving around on the chair eating grapes,
god knows what. So I bet you've heard all this
background noise, haven't you.
Speaker 1: Actually no, I haven't heard that pips or anything in
the grapes. It's been amazing.
Speaker 2: No, these are these microphones that she and I are
using mute out everything but your voice.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: So well we have come to the end of the show.
So again our guest has been Mark Manning, who are
also calling Charlie because of me. Mark, And there's a
new show. Okay, I'm gonna butcher it.
Speaker 4: Say. I tell you I've been calling him Charlie foreverything now,
every time I've been calling it Charlie.
Speaker 1: On tonight Charlie is good show going tonight, so I'll
save it. Mark, I'll save if I make it easy
for you. Okay, So the show is called the show
is called Scary Era and Era is the Irish word
for Ireland. And if you've got any paranormal stories, we'd
say an Irish slant to them at all that you
might have heard on your grade or your friends or whatever.
And by the way, it's not exclusively so if you've
got a good paranormal story, first you can email Paranormal
Ireland at ProtonMail dot com and we can read it out,
or we can we can even record you and put
you on the air. That's how it works. So thanks
very much, Irene and Mark. I really do appreciate you
giving me the opportunity and also been on your show.
It's been fab.
Speaker 2: And Mark, it's absolutely been a pleasure talking with you too,
got awful.
Speaker 1: It's a loving it's a paranormal loving guys.
Speaker 2: There we go. Well, thank you, Mark, and thank you
everybody else for tuning in to this latest edition of
the Paranormal UK Radio Show, The Paranormal, the Flight Ship
Show and the Paranormal UK Radio Gee even I screw it.
Up after to the long break we've had. But you
know what, where can people still find us?
Speaker 4: Ireen everywhere people just about everywhere?
Speaker 2: Well, everyone, you all take care, Thanks again for tuning in.
We'll try to have some more news shows here soon
and in the meantime, be good humans. We'll talk with you.
Speaker 4: Don't forget to tune in on the I've forgotten the
name of it now well whatever, well is it Mark?
Speaker 1: What's her other show called the Ether?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 2: Our other show, the Reality Realm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the Reality real Yes, that's that's.
Speaker 2: A slightly different format show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that's just yes, it's a different format you
see the Parallel UK radio show. That's when we have
a guest Real Realm or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Reality Reality Realm is you and I and fine quite
in talking about very interesting topics. So yeah, so anyway,
yes we have the Reality rom as well. Anyway, again everyone,
thanks again, be good humans, and we will talk to
you soon.
Speaker 4: Y bye.