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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host DJ Leaves. Well,

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we have reached the end of the month of May

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or believe it out? Where did five months go so

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far in twenty twenty five? How about that? We do

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have a main event coming in Las Vegas featuring former

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super middleweight world champ Caleb Plant in Action as well

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as Jermal Charlow, the former middleweight world champ in Action

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and the co feature. And it doesn't take Sherlock Holmes

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to figure out that there may be something cooking with

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those two to fight each other if they're both victorious.

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That if, though, is a big thing on that. Anyway,

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we're ready to preview those fights. We have some news

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and a lot more welcome in. It is the Big

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Fight Weekend preview. I am the somewhat competent host TJ. Reeves.

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We've survived off the Memorial Day holiday. Hello, Big Dan

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rayphel our insider. You've been busy. You've been busy this

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week on the substack and reporting things, fight news, et cetera.

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go over. How are things as we head into the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Thanks are good yet, like you said, it's been a

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Speaker 1: We like it. We like it better when there's a

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lot of stuff to go over and to discuss. Again,

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All right, so all of that is out of the

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way before we get into the preview mode. Ryfield, we

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had title fights midweek Wednesday night in Japan Wednesday morning

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US time. By the way, my week is totally screwed

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up because the holiday. I don't know about you. It's

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the end of school here in Florida and in the

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county in Tampa and Hillsboro County where we are. So

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the twins have been taking exams, my juniors who now

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don't want to be called juniors, they want to be

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called seniors. So they've been acting like yesterday was Friday.

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So part of me thought we missed the preview pot Dan,

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because they've been acting like it was Friday yesterday. I

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don't know what it is anyway, Wait week.

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Speaker 3: We don't have the end of school for two more weeks.

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When we'll will you.

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Speaker 1: Have it better? But Wednesday was now yesterday. As we're

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doing this, would.

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Speaker 2: You say your girls are gonna be seniors. My son's

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gonna we're going to the elementary school graduation.

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Speaker 1: Oh, and you're moving up to middle school. It's all

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down here. From here, he's gonna have a girlfriend, He's

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gonna want to drive a whole bit.

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Speaker 3: Stay tuned.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Wednesday morning US time Wednesday night in Japan

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Championship doubleheader, it saw Yoshiki Takai didn't take long defend

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his WBO banhamweight title with a smashing first round knockout

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of somebody na named Udipong Tong d It took longer

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to spell the name than it did for Takaida not

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came out. We're gonna talk about that and Eduardo's sugar.

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Nunyez did win over Rakishi for the IBF Junior Lightweight

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Bana the vacant title the junior lightweight title, so Nunya

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has won a twelve round decision. So let's recap both

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of those. I will say, I've read my substack recap,

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I've seen the highlights. It didn't take long to see

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the highlights of the Takai fight. So enlighten us a

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little more about those fights Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Well, the fight that Dezone was promoting because Sugar Nunyas

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is a matchroom fighter, was the Nunya's title fight against

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Massnari Rashiki. But the actual main event of the event

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in terms of in the arena and on the Japanese

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streaming of the event, that was the Bandon Way fight,

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which is Takai defending, you know, as the Japanese fighter

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eleven and zero out with nine knockouts. Looked really good

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southpaw and just really took it to Tongy the Thailand fighter.

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think Tongdy was like a well known commodity, but you know,

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he came with like a decent reputation and he was undefeated,

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and Thailand guys typically are tough, I mean, if you

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want to use a cliche. But he just got walloped.

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the gate, and he just never really recovered. Takai's got

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a really good left hand and he just kept putting

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the cook, landing it like it was honed in, like

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end of his left fist, and it did, like you said,

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it did not take long. Keep in mind, also, by

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the way that this was about, that had been postponed

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a couple of times. You remember he was supposed to

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fight on Christmas Eve, December twenty fourth, was going to

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do the Annoy In a way, Sam Goodman fight got

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and then obviously the Goodman dropped out all together, and

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then I found a different opponent, but he didn't fight

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on that card either because the guy got had a

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shoulder injury, so he had a call off their fight

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that got postponed and didn't take place until Wednesday. But

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sure heck didn't look like his shoulder was any problem

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at this point because he just just destroyed.

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and seven seconds, three knockdowns uh pretty much all left

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hand based. The the the third knockdown was the one

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that was into the ropes, but clearly he would have

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ended up on the floor in the first or second

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row if the ropes had not held him up. So

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the American referee, Christopher Young properly ruled that a knockdown,

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and then it was just a matter of you know,

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and they stopped the fight. So the end of the day,

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this was a tremendous performance from Takai, you know, who

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has sort of burst on the scene. This was his

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second title defense. I think he has definite uh. And

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because there they're affiliate with Ohashi Promotions in terms of

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their Japanese promotion. Uh, there's a reasonable chance that, you know,

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before we may see Na Katani, who's got his own

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unification fight coming up in a couple of weeks, a

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few weeks, if Na Katani unifies the two belts, that

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to Kai may be sitting there waiting for him to

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have a three belt unification while he waits theoretically for

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the prospect of in a way, but most likely, according

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while Nakatani does his business coming up, the next fight

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for Takai is going to be his mandatory against Christian Medina,

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a Mexican fighter, So that probably takes place, you know,

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maybe end of the summer, early fall, and then maybe

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by the end of the year we'll see the Nakatani

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fight and then hopefully, you know, if Dakatani is the

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winner at that point, maybe he can become undisputed as

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he waits it out for in a way to rise

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to federate. But point is, Takai is going to be

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in some good fights. He's a good puncher and this

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was a really good performance.

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Speaker 1: And then Sugar Nunya is obviously in the co feature,

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look good really hence the big lefty Rakishi, the lanky lefty.

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In this one hundred and thirty pound world title fight,

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Nunya is going to the body the highlights. I saw

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good with the right hand. Actually rocked him with the

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right hand late in the fight, and it ends up

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being a unanimous decision win for him. More on the

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Sugar Nunyaz fight and his short term potential here with

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with what we say midweek.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's now twenty nine and one with twenty eight knockouts. Nunias,

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it's only the second time he's ever heard the final bell,

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but the first time in a victory. The last time

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he ever heard the final bell. He got to go

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all the way back to twenty eighteen, and that was

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in his only loss, which is a six round fight.

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So he's not one that typically here is the end

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of the fight, and so this was a really it

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was a good performance from Rashiki, but he just he

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was just sort of overpowered it. He just he was sturdy,

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and he took some great shots from Nunias, who was

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a really big puncher, but he just he just never

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could really get into the moment, you know, get the

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momentum going with him. He's a good counter puncher. He

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did land some good punches on Nunya, so took the

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shots really well. This was a very good fight. It's

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not going to be the fight of the year, but

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a very very entertaining fight. They really let it all

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hang out. There was a couple of rounds that were

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just back and forth. That the twelfth round where I guess,

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you know, Rashiki, you know, I didn't understand Japanese whatever

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they were saying in the corner, but I got a figure.

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They knew that they got to go out there and

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do something spectacular to get to win, because he was

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definitely behind, and he let it all hang out in Nuniez,

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who had a figure on the head. He didn't back away,

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didn't ron, he didn't go looking for, you know, a

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place to hide in that round. They so they really

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battled it up. This was a really good fight and

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in the end the scores I thought we were pretty good.

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One seventeen to one eleven, one sixteen to one twelve,

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and one to fifteen to one thirteen all for Nunez,

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one fifteen, one thirteen, in my mind was slightly generous.

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like five thirty in the morning, so maybe I was

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a little like sleep Trump stuff as I was watching,

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but entertaining fight. And now Nuniez is another world champion,

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uh for matchroom boxing, and uh, you know what he

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does from here? You know, that's an interesting question because

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one hundred and thirty pounds, there's not tons of names,

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and the guys that are there, like Lamont Roach is

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the WBA champion. Obviously he's occupied with a fight at

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lightweight with a rematch against Tank Davis.

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Speaker 3: You've got Emmanuel.

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Speaker 2: Navarete, who has the WBO title, clearly headed towards a

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rematch with Charlie Suarez, whatever the California Commission rules. And

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you have the WBC champion also with top rank like Neverette,

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is Oshaki Foster, who is in the process of getting

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a fight done to defend against the furtherway title holder,

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Stephen Fulton, so he's not going to be having any

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kind of unification at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: There has been the suggestion that even though Anthony Kassachi

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vacated the title to go do the Lee Wood fight

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rather than take on Sugar Nunya's in a dangerous mandatory,

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that was not worth nearly as much money. The fact

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that Kasachi won and looked so impressive against Lee Wood,

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and now now you have Nunya's with the belt, but

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they're both with the same promoter. You know, maybe it's

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not out of the question. Now there's more money in

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it for Kasachi to do that fight and maybe they

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make the Maybe they do that fight, it would just

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be reverse of what it would be.

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Speaker 1: And certainly if Nunya is willing to go all the

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way to Japan to have a title fight, I don't

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know that he I'm not his management, but I don't

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know that he would be that adverse to fighting in

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the UK for a lot of money.

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Speaker 2: To get the opportunity to fight for the title. Forget

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about going to Japan, where by all accounts they're the

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visiting fighters are very treated very well. This guy to

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to fight Rock Him Off. And now that's not exactly

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a place that's easy to get to. He went all

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the way to the to the ends of the earth

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to get this title shot, and he went there on

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the other guy in Rock Them off'sly.

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Speaker 1: Do you connect through to get to Tazeki stand? I'm

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not sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, I really don't know the answer to that.

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I know a lot of shit, but I don't know that.

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But he knocked He knocked Rock him Off out in

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his home, in front of his home people. So the

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notion that Sugar Nongions would have any objection to traveling

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to Tajikistan or Japan or to the UK are non

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existent in my mind. He will go where the money

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is and where the fights are.

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Speaker 1: All right, So stay tuned on what his next move

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might be as the new IBF Junior lightweight champion.

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Speaker 2: So let me tell you what are gonna be a

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tough out for anybody. Tremendous puncher, tremendous aggressiveness, tremendous stamina.

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Seems like he's got a good chin and absolutely's got

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some serious firepower.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. All right, So that was midweek with

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a recap. Now let's get into the preview mode again.

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I've belabored this a few times. You spoke with Caleb

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Plant back now, probably ten days ago, right two weeks ago,

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as he was winding down his training camp. He's now

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fighting Armando Rezendez. He's a massive favorite. Uh do we

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even want to promote and say w BA interim super

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lightweight or super middleweight championship fight. I just I just

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I just said it. I just said it.

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Speaker 3: It's just factual with what.

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Speaker 1: The WBA keeps doing. Uh So, it's a twelve round

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fight Saturday night, PBC on Prime mandal A Bay and

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Las Vegas. They have shown up, they have met with

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the media now in in Vegas, and Caleb Plant returns

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to headline on this card. Give me a couple of

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thoughts here, including on the opponent.

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Speaker 2: Well, in terms of the matchup itself, both for Caleb

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Plant as well as the fight we'll talk about after

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that with Charlow. Uh, they're they're they're facing prohibit of underdogs.

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Not a surprise this and it's not in any way

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this respect to the opponents. Armando Rizendez, who is the

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opponent that will be fighting Kayla Plant, is a solid fighter.

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He's been in the ring with some good opponents. He

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makes for entertaining fights. But there's a reason why the

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people with PBC and TGB have selected the opponents that

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they have selected for both Plant and for Charlotte, because

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when they announced this doubleheader in the first place, well

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it's really four fights on the broadcast, but in terms

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of the two main fights, when they announced it, they

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weren't keeping it a secret. They're like, if these guys win,

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you know, we're going to look to match them later

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in there. The Charlo and Plant sort of feud has

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been going on for a while. They've wanted to fight

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each other. I talked to Caylee a little bit about

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it in the interview that you referenced that's on the

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pod a couple episodes ago. Definitely fight he wants, but

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I think both guys understand their pros. They've been around

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a while. They got to take care of their business.

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No reason looking forward if you haven't taken care of things.

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And with Charlot, because he's been off for a long time,

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he's got, you know, to concentrate on what's in front

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of him. And for Kayleb Plant, you know, he's been

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more active obviously, but again you still got to win

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the fight. But the whole purpose of this is they

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match them with lesser ish opponents with the idea that

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they'll both shine and make the public more interested in

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their fight against each other, which will presumably be a

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pay per view in the you know, probably in the

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fourth quarter of this year. And you know, as as

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Caleb said, you know, we couldn't go right into you

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what have Pegel would have liked to just go right

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into the Charlotte fight. But Charlot, with the layoff, you know,

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they wanted to get him active again, and so he's like, Okay,

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if he's gonna do that, then I'll take one of

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those fights also, And so that's what this is about.

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So he's taken on Rezendez. Look, Plant, I think a

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lot of people thought, maybe you know, he got the big,

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big money, the ten million dollars payday to fight Canelo Alvarez.

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Came a good fight but lost the title. And he

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didn't just disappear. I mean, he came back. I mean

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he took some time off, but he came back. He

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had a great knockout against Anthony Durrell. He then took

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the fight against David Benavidiez, who a lot of guys

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don't want to fight. You know, he didn't win, but

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he competed. He won rounds and it was a really

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good fight, a hell of a promotion. And he took

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some time off and he came back. You know, he's

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you know, he's got a young daughter. His wife is

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now pregnant. But he thought Trevor McCombe back in September.

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That was a very fun fight, but he really beat

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him up down the stretch of that fight, stopped him

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in the ninth round to win this interim belt. And

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he's moving on to this fight and again Rizendez. I

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don't know how much of a test he's gonna pose,

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but you know, he's a professional. It's not like he's

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you know, he's not been in the ring with good

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guys and we'll see if he can handle He's only

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got you know, he's got nothing to lose. He doesn't

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have as nearly as many fights as Charlotte. I'm in

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as planned. He's fifteen and two eleven knockouts. He's a

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Mexican fighter. But his biggest win, if you know who

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he is, you go back to twenty twenty three, he

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did score the win against Jared Hurd, who was kind

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of diminished at that point. But that when the fight

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actually win, that match happened, it was considered a big upset.

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Hurt has not pretty much, you know, announced his retirement,

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and you know, he also has a loss to Elijah Garcia,

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which you know was the hot prospect at that moment.

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So he's had his ups and downs. But I gotta

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believe he's coming to show up. He's coming to compete,

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and you know, I fully expect kal Plant to win

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this fight to move.

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Speaker 1: On and then we I think we both do on

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that and we'll see how tough for Zindez is and

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uh and kind of go from there again. H you know,

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cayleb plan. Unfortunately we didn't really talk about this. Took

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a real beating from David Benavitez as well. So and

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with a family and with kids, we don't manage their

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careers and their money. You wonder how much longer is

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he going to do this he has.

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Speaker 2: I don't agree with you at all about that he

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got beat by by beneviies I don't consider that to

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be a bad beating.

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Speaker 3: I mean he took shots, he.

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Speaker 1: Took a go back and refresh yourself. He took a

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bad beating in the last three or four rounds of

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the fight, to the point that bred Man, Edwards' trainer

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said to him in between the tenth and the eleventh round,

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I think, Cayleb, I know you want this to go

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the distance, but I'm watching this and I can't let

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you keep taking this kind of punishment. So you can

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disagree with bread Manvidez was beating him up late.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying you didn't take some some rough ones

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the last couple of rounds of that fight. But in

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the scheme of his whole career, that's not really the case,

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Like he's not in thirty didn't say the scheme of

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his whole career.

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Speaker 1: I mean he got beaten up recently by Benavitez. You

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mentioned married and family. He's got money. That's all I'm

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pointing out.

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Speaker 2: So and what I'm saying to you is he's the

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last guy that I'm thinking is looking at like retirement.

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He's going to be around for a few more years.

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He still has more, he still trains hard, he still

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wants it, he still has things he wants to do,

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he still has things that he wants to accomplish. And

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I suspect, you know, while he may accomplish them, and

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maybe he won't, but he's going to be around for

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a while, and I would expect, you know, the next

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so called big fight for him will be Charlotte if

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he is successful on Saturday, and Charloe is as well,

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So that would be a fun That'll be a great promotion.

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That'll be a lot of fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: So that's the segue. And now what do we make

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of Charlo and Thomas Cornonflake Lemana. Now they were exchanging

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the barbs at the press conference, and why do I

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get the feeling that the press conference getting saucy might

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be better than the fight. What do you make of this?

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It's a ten round fight, and again it's set up

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as you said, he wins plant wins, there's the carrot,

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there's the reward.

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Speaker 2: Charlow has had so much inactivity, he's had and there's

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been so much out of the ring drama for him

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and for his twin brother Jermil, that I can't keep

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it all straining anymore. It's guy's getting arrested, it's mental

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health issues, it's divorce problems, it's it's alcohol issues. But

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I can't keep them straight. I'm not I can't even

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remember these days.

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Speaker 3: This.

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Speaker 1: He basically was out of the ring three years, not

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defending the WBC middleweight title, and they finally stripped him.

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He even had a fight at super middleweight.

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Speaker 3: And he got arrested at one point, yes, and he

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and he and.

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Speaker 1: He had a fight at super middleweight, and the WBC

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was still holding out for him to come back and

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maybe defend at middleweight, even though he said in the ring,

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I'm gonna stay at super middleweight. Here's here's the point,

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and now here he is at super middleweight.

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Speaker 2: He did fight multiple times in twenty nineteen, he had

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one fight in twenty twenty. He had the title defense

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in twenty twenty one against one Messius Montiel, and he

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was off for another year and a half he fought

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at super middleweight. Over the weight he fought and looked

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I thought, very pedestrian against Jose Benavidez Junior, who's really

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been when he was at his best, was really a

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welterweight or junior welterweight. He fought him at a bit

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over one sixty. And now he's been off for another

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year and a half because the last time that that

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when that Benavidea's fight happened, that's David's older brother. That

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was in November of twenty twenty three, so since the

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end of and he had that fight at the very

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end of twenty nineteen. So in the last five years

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or you know, we're four and a half years, he's

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had three fights. This will be his fourth. So he's

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been masterly inactive, had all kinds of issues. He is

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now a full fledge moving up to super Mida eight

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for this fight against Lamana. And this is all about

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what does he have. He claims he's back, he's focused,

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he's in good shape, he's ready to do battle. He's

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looking forward to getting back in the ring. I mean,

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you know, and guys saying that it all the time.

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I mean, color me slightly not impressed. You know, I

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want to see what he can do. I mean, I

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don't I don't wish bad on him or anything like that,

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but I don't. Don't tell me he showed me my

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my and that would go for we're talking about his

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brother or with him. But here's the main point. Though

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he's in soft okay. Lamana is a club fighter. He'll

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train hard, he'll work hard. He's a nice guy, but

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he is not at the level of even a degregated charlot.

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In my opinion, this is a guy who went into

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the ring as a junior middleweight years ago against Aristoni

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Lara and got smoked in one round. He's lost when

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he stepped up. He doesn't have a big win of

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any consequence whatsoever on his record. I mean, this is

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me to order for Charlotte.

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Speaker 3: Charlotte.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying that corn flake Loamana's wins over one

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manual wit Nicholas Hernandez, Juan Carlos Abreu and No Lopez

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Oe No Lopez are not exactly earth shattering contender wins.

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That's exactly just.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he has won a bunch of fights in

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a row, but they've been all against like softer competition.

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He's not a well, I take the back when he

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fought Laura it was actually a title fight. How he

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got a middleweight title fight, it's only because it's the

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WBA doing more WBA things than even the IBF doing

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IBF things. I mean, that was just a gift that

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he got destroyed in the in the first round. So

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he's won the nine fights since then, but it's been

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all against you know, nobody in particular. So again this

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is set up for Charlotte to get back in the groove,

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look good, make people, you know, interested in what the

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appetite for the for the fight with Caleb Plant and

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it'll be up to Lamana to show that he's more

472
00:21:28,799 --> 00:21:30,079
than a club fighter again.

473
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,599
Speaker 1: PBC on Prime Videos Saturday night, late Eastern and Central time,

474
00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,759
prime time in the West at the Mantlee Bay in

475
00:21:36,799 --> 00:21:40,839
Las Vegas. They will have that, all right, some news

476
00:21:41,039 --> 00:21:44,759
and a lot of it. Well, it was Thursday afternoon

477
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,799
that we started seeing news that Haimi Mungia had tested

478
00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:54,960
positive for synthetic testosterone in a Vada test related to

479
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,799
his fight back on May third against Bruno Serrase where

480
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:00,839
he won the rematch. Again and it's the French fighter

481
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:05,359
that had knocked him out previously in Mexico late last year.

482
00:22:06,279 --> 00:22:09,119
So now we await the b sample to be tested.

483
00:22:09,759 --> 00:22:12,079
You have been doing some digging in the afternoon in

484
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,079
the evening before we have begun this podcast. What else

485
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,839
do we know, including the result is obviously in question,

486
00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:21,119
if not about to be overturned at a later time

487
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:21,799
here coming.

488
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,759
Speaker 2: Up right, I mean, and he's also facing a very

489
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,200
if everything is what it seems to be, which is

490
00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:29,119
going to be this positive test, he's facing a long

491
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,480
suspension because the fight that he had this positive test

492
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:37,119
as related to, was overseen by the British Boxing Board,

493
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,160
and they don't, you know, if it's proven. I mean,

494
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:40,920
obviously they have their issues. You know, we'll just look

495
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,319
at what happened with with Connor Ben. But what they've

496
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,240
done many many times is delay anchor license and they'll

497
00:22:46,279 --> 00:22:48,200
put you down for two years, I mean, end of story.

498
00:22:48,599 --> 00:22:50,440
Now I'm not sure if that will apply to Mongeye

499
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,720
because he's not in British, but it was there. It

500
00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:56,079
was their event that they were regulating. My error by

501
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,279
that when I said synthetic testosterone in the note I

502
00:22:58,319 --> 00:23:01,799
sent you, it was really exogyny testosterone. Which means it's

503
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,480
not testosterone. The testosterone that they found in his system

504
00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:08,240
was not produced in his body, it was it was

505
00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:12,720
introduced from elsewhere outside and that is not allowed now.

506
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:15,559
In the statement that Haimi posted on his social media

507
00:23:15,839 --> 00:23:18,160
where he talked about how he's taken all these antidoping

508
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,400
tests before in his career and never had a positive test, Like,

509
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,559
I always find that to be complete bullshit, because if

510
00:23:22,599 --> 00:23:24,440
I go out and I murder somebody, I said, well,

511
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,640
you know, I've been I've been living for fifty years.

512
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,200
I never murdered anybody. Well yeah, but don't tell you did,

513
00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,920
you know what I mean? Right, So that's one thing

514
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,119
about it. And then he also made the point where

515
00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:38,359
he said that several experts have explained to him that

516
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,240
there are multiple ways that contamination can occur.

517
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:43,519
Speaker 3: So I did some reading.

518
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:47,440
Speaker 2: I checked in with the resident drug testing guru, Victor Kante,

519
00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:49,839
who people can hate or love or whatever, but he

520
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,000
knows his shit, and he basically laughed. He says, I've

521
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:57,240
been doing, you know, involvement with drug testing for decades.

522
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,720
I've never heard of their being contaminated when it comes

523
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,319
to testosterone. I mean, certainly it's other drugs that is

524
00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:06,240
certainly a possibility. Apparently testostro is not one of them.

525
00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:08,160
So he's got some splaining to do.

526
00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:12,039
Speaker 1: Yes, and so Victor Conte, by the way, was an expert, defrocked,

527
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,039
went to prison. The whole thing on how trying to

528
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,599
cheat the system doesn't work when they were trying to

529
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:23,039
cheat it, and the okay, so let you finish, okay,

530
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:25,200
if you say so. Uh, there's always going to be

531
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,880
a distinction there with me with him though, let's go

532
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:30,680
to I do not know Victor.

533
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,599
Speaker 3: I don't spend time with Victor for years. I know

534
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:33,200
him well, I.

535
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 1: Don't have to know that he has a laundry list

536
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:41,160
of back to Brunos. So just giving me his opinion,

537
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,599
by the way, I understand he he gave his opinion

538
00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,960
in a statement and said, I went to Mexico. I'm paraphrasing,

539
00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:50,240
I fought clean, I beat him, and now you have this,

540
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,480
and I want the result overturned and that and that

541
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,119
likely is going to happen in short order.

542
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,559
Speaker 2: He assuming, assuming the BET sample comes back positive, which

543
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:02,079
in most of any of these testing the B sample

544
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,599
does come back positive. But yeah, then the result will

545
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:06,920
be changed to a no contest, and that'll be that

546
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:08,640
he won't you know, they're not going to get Sarase

547
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,720
the victory, but the no contest probably is what's coming.

548
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,200
That's a very common thing, you know, the same exact

549
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:16,839
thing that happened when Ryan Garcia tested positive, granted for

550
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,359
a different substance, they changed the result of the Hainy

551
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,880
fight to a no contest. I mean, it's unfortunately, it's

552
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,559
not the most uncommon thing in the world, so it's

553
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:25,359
very disappointing.

554
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,079
Speaker 3: And what it does do.

555
00:25:27,599 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 2: You know, there were certain things that had to happen,

556
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:33,279
But with Mangia getting the victory earlier in May against

557
00:25:33,319 --> 00:25:36,079
Sarase and then you have Edgar Berlanga, who's got the

558
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,880
fight coming up you know, later in the summer against Shiraz,

559
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,119
there have been a lot of conversation between the camps

560
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,839
about the possibility that maybe a bigger fight down the

561
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,960
road at the end of this year would be Mangia

562
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:50,039
against Berlanga. That would be a tremendous battle. If he's

563
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:52,599
on the shelf with a suspension, that's probably out the window.

564
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,200
So you know, look, at the end of the day,

565
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,920
I don't believe that that that there's that there's testosterone contamination,

566
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,839
and so we'll have to wait and see what the

567
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:05,319
B sample says. But again, twenty plus years, twenty five years, TJ.

568
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:08,319
You've read about drug testing. Virtually every single B sample,

569
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,119
no matter what the substance, is the same in the

570
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,279
B as it was in the AG because they sucked

571
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:12,640
right now.

572
00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: And Vada and right and Vada does a tremendous job

573
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:18,799
of preserving that et cetera and being ready for all

574
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,440
of the legal challenges. Oh, you didn't preserve the B

575
00:26:21,599 --> 00:26:23,519
sample and it could be you know, one thing I

576
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,279
keep coming back to you while we just digress for

577
00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:28,359
a second on the whole drug test thing. There is

578
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,200
nothing that degrades a clean sample into being a dirty sample.

579
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:36,799
This this has been said for thirty years of this,

580
00:26:37,039 --> 00:26:39,000
going back to the nineties when I was doing five

581
00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:40,880
day of week sports radio and that were popping all

582
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,279
the athletes in the NFL or baseball for peds or

583
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,599
track with the Olympics or whatever. Time and again, the

584
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,680
drug people say that if you have a clean sample,

585
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:55,720
it doesn't magically degrade somehow, some way because of the

586
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:59,440
conditions into being a positive What. Well, No, I'm just

587
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,279
saying if it degrades, it degrades into inconclusive. What they're

588
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:07,039
saying is this is conclusive for testosterone not produced by

589
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:09,880
the body, and the B sample will more than likely

590
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,440
say that one more aspect. And we don't have to

591
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,039
go on for fifteen minutes about this because we've got

592
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,759
other news. To move on to. The photo that's there

593
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:19,359
on social media and all the talk, and it's fair

594
00:27:19,519 --> 00:27:24,319
and it's warranted that you have Eddie Renoso with Canelo Alvarez,

595
00:27:24,599 --> 00:27:28,799
Oscar Valdez, Ryan Garcia, and now Haimi Mungia, fighters that

596
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,200
he trained at some point or was training, that have

597
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:36,079
now all tested positive for performance enhancing drugs. And the

598
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,799
picture that's being circulated, which is a legit picture of

599
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:42,480
all of them in a training facility somewhere presumably in Mexico.

600
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,440
You shake your head, You shake your head at this

601
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:51,279
stop it happens again. So there it is again that.

602
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: All of those cases are very specifically different. I don't

603
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,000
need to get into the ins and out. So I'm

604
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:57,559
well aware of every single one of those cases. I

605
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,720
reported them extensively. The Canelo test was bullshit. It wouldn't

606
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,519
even count as a positive test today. The valdez positive

607
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:07,480
test was not illegal based on where they were. It

608
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,799
was perfectly within the rules. It's just that the rules

609
00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:11,960
of the commission where he was fighting were different than Vada.

610
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:15,000
And in terms of Ryan Garcia, if my memory is correct,

611
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,599
Ryan Garcia's positive test, he wasn't even with Raneeo, so

612
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:19,839
when that happened, he never tested positive while he was

613
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,319
with that. He tested positive when he was with Derek James.

614
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,119
So again, it looks it's fun to shoot a meme

615
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,799
on Twitter or Instagram or something like that, but let's

616
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:30,119
talk about the facts, and the facts are that that

617
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:31,039
is a coincidence.

618
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: In my opinion.

619
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 1: By the way, Oscar Valdez was taking a weight loss

620
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:39,839
drug to make weight. He never was able to adequately

621
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,839
explain how it got into his system. And the technicality

622
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,079
of oh the what, we're just spewing facts. Oh, the

623
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,400
Native American Commission is the one in charge, but the

624
00:28:49,599 --> 00:28:53,200
WBC wants him stripped, and all that got into technicality.

625
00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 2: You don't even have your facts right. The WBC did

626
00:28:55,039 --> 00:28:57,720
not want happen a strip. That's what the result of

627
00:28:57,799 --> 00:29:00,640
that scenario should have probably been, is that under the

628
00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:02,359
rules that the fight should have gone for it, and

629
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:04,880
the WBS could have shipping him of the title. The

630
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,599
reality was he tested positive for a substance that the

631
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,400
local commission that's in charge, did you know, they were

632
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,920
under water rules. Water rules were allowed that substance to

633
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,920
be in your in your system out of competition, meaning

634
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,039
outside the twenty four or forty eight hours before your event,

635
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:23,640
which was well before that, as opposed to evada, which

636
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,400
says any time, and the two rules did not jibe,

637
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,119
so Oscar, in my opinion, technicality, it's not a technicality.

638
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:31,960
That's here's a huge difference.

639
00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: This is where we love to go back and forth.

640
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:37,960
He was taking a ped dan for weight loss. He

641
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,720
was taking a ped that he tested for what I

642
00:29:42,119 --> 00:29:44,000
do because it was in his system, and he was

643
00:29:44,039 --> 00:29:46,079
trying to explain it by saying it was in my

644
00:29:46,599 --> 00:29:50,319
tea unknowing that's verbal t That was his excusage.

645
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,119
Speaker 2: All I know is the substance that he took at

646
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,839
the time he took it was legal in the jurisdiction

647
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,559
in which he boxed, period.

648
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:02,039
Speaker 1: Under the technicality not a technicalicality that if he had

649
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,039
know if he had taken it at the time that

650
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:06,759
were testing him for the fight, he would have been banned.

651
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,720
That's the technicality drug. Like you say, you got some

652
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,039
splaining to do on why it's in your system in

653
00:30:13,079 --> 00:30:15,480
the first place when it's a weight loss drug. While

654
00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:16,920
we're literally jating the Oscar Vale in.

655
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: Drug testing, god forbid, we're nuanced. There is a major,

656
00:30:21,079 --> 00:30:24,240
major difference, and there's a reason why it's done this

657
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:28,119
way between in competition and out of competition. Now, I'm

658
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,519
not saying that I like to see people do the

659
00:30:30,599 --> 00:30:32,799
things that they do out of competition, but it didn't

660
00:30:32,839 --> 00:30:37,640
break the rules. But but Vada's rules are different than WADA,

661
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,519
and the commission where he was in was underwater rules.

662
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:43,160
Their error was doing VADA testing and not taking that

663
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:46,599
into account, and the WBC allowing the sanction to.

664
00:30:46,599 --> 00:30:47,519
Speaker 3: Stay to take place.

665
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: So again we started with about Renoso the picture all

666
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,440
fun and games, but every single one of those cases

667
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,440
is completely different and doesn't, in my opinion, reflect upon Eddie.

668
00:30:57,079 --> 00:31:00,559
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to some more. You were reporting

669
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,519
earlier this week that it looked like Taya Fimo Lopez

670
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,359
and Devin Haney had a deal to fight later this year,

671
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,480
but now that is not the case. And now we've

672
00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:14,400
seen social media stuff from Taya Fimo Lopez. Not a

673
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,160
surprise here going on and on about it. So what's

674
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,279
the truth on how close was this fight legitimately and

675
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,759
has t Lopez now ruined it with his antics and

676
00:31:23,839 --> 00:31:24,960
actions on social media?

677
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: This fight was agreed to on Tuesday night. Everything was done.

678
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:31,240
It wasn't signed, but all the paperwork and every term

679
00:31:31,319 --> 00:31:34,119
was agreed to. They were circulating the contracts back and

680
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,160
forth between the camps. I've been told this by multiple

681
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,839
people that were directly involved in this negotiation and in

682
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,000
this deal the fight was happening. He was going to

683
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:45,000
be a one hundred and forty five pound fight. That

684
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:47,039
that's what they agreed on. I don't think that benefited

685
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:49,599
either guy because Pine just had a welterweight fight at

686
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:53,279
one forty four against Ramirez, and Tifemo would be moving

687
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:56,240
up a few pounds from being champion at junior wealterway,

688
00:31:56,279 --> 00:31:58,599
but he's fighting a guy in Haini that is you know,

689
00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:00,759
was just at one forty you know, just in the

690
00:32:00,839 --> 00:32:03,119
last couple of fights. So anyway, that was supposed to

691
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:04,640
be the weight they were going to do this fight.

692
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:06,559
It was going to be a non title fight in

693
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,759
that weight division. It was supposed to be on August

694
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:12,960
sixteenth in Saudi Arabia, which was unfortunate because August sixteenth

695
00:32:13,079 --> 00:32:14,599
is the date that they're supposed to be doing the

696
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,200
Tank Davis lamont Roatrie matcho. You know, that would have

697
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,440
been two pay per views on the same day. Obviously

698
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,440
that's now in question because of what's going on with

699
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,240
this fight. But the bottom line was there was the

700
00:32:26,359 --> 00:32:28,799
original before they made the deal for the Haini fight

701
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,319
against Lopez. You had Lopez desperately wanting the Geron Boots

702
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:35,799
Ennis fight, and there had been an offer made for

703
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,920
that fight, a lot of money for both sides, and

704
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,119
for whatever reason, I didn't speak to the enniscamp, but

705
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,720
by the accounts of others that were around that negotiation,

706
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,680
eventually Ennis basically was like, no, I don't want that fight,

707
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,759
and he decided not to do it. We'll see if

708
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:53,359
he speaks about that in the future. So the backup plan,

709
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,519
if you will, was to do the fight between Hani

710
00:32:57,119 --> 00:33:00,920
and Tiafimo, because obviously they nderstood like the rest of

711
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,240
us had doing the remask between Haiti and Ryan Garcia

712
00:33:04,319 --> 00:33:07,839
off of their terrible performances, but more notably the loss

713
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,240
that Ryan Garcias suffered was untenable to do that, and

714
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,160
so it was what are we going to do instead?

715
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,759
And so they went forward to try to make this

716
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,279
fight and Tifemo was accepting of that, but apparently things

717
00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:21,319
got a little hairy in sideways when the amount of

718
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,799
money that was going to be given to Tiafimo for

719
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,200
that fight was apparently less than what he would have

720
00:33:26,279 --> 00:33:28,160
been getting if he had done the Nis fight. And

721
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,519
it's not even so much the money.

722
00:33:29,559 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: I guess what.

723
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: I The way I heard it was that he just

724
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:33,720
really wanted the Ennis fight. He was sort of blaming

725
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,519
Turkey al sheep for not being able to deliver. Ennis

726
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:38,240
went again, you know, you want to say whatever you

727
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,960
want about Turkey, but he can't make a guy fight.

728
00:33:40,359 --> 00:33:41,839
And if Ennis decided he didn't want to do the

729
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,480
bout that, that's not ti Fimo's fault. That's not Turkey's fault,

730
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:48,519
that's not Ennis's management's fault. There his promotion, that's Ennis

731
00:33:48,599 --> 00:33:52,079
and his father making a decision, I guess. And so

732
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,920
unfortunately Tiafimo felt like, you know what, I'm so upset.

733
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,880
He went out there and he made some derogatory comments

734
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,720
about Turkey on his social media, which obviously Turkey, a

735
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:04,319
proud guy who doesn't usually take shit from anybody, did

736
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:06,480
not like what he read or saw. And then t

737
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,880
Femo made some videos on his social or did some

738
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,559
interviews and this and that saying, you know, I got

739
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:15,119
fired from boxing, Turkey fired me. He referred to Turkey

740
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,519
Alshik as a dictator, but he spelled the d ick

741
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,679
like basically calling his excellency say that one I mean

742
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,360
And he deleted that eventually. But the point is it's

743
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,199
left this fight in shambles because you know, Turkey's Key's

744
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,079
Key works with anybody he wants. He doesn't need to

745
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:32,760
take this shit from t Femo Lopez, so he can

746
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,079
go out and make any fight he wants. He's the buyer.

747
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,000
Remember that, he's the one with the bank book, He's

748
00:34:37,039 --> 00:34:38,960
the one with the cash. He's the one that can

749
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:40,599
do the fights that he decides to do and has

750
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,440
the money to pay for them. And if you're gonna

751
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,440
sit there, you know, whatever your opinion is about him,

752
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,519
if you're going to insult somebody, you got to pay

753
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:47,920
the price.

754
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: And this is repeated stuff self inflicted from we've seen

755
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:53,440
over and over and over again.

756
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 2: So they're trying to get from again from what I

757
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:57,159
hear from both like the handicamp, We're good to go.

758
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 3: They're ready to do it.

759
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: They're hoping that they can convince te to sort of

760
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:03,519
try to smooth things over. So we'll see if if.

761
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,599
Speaker 1: He's fundamentally pissed about the lack of money, you didn't

762
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:10,280
do anything to help yourself get more money. So how

763
00:35:10,599 --> 00:35:12,000
are we going to get from point A to point

764
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:13,880
B on that when you've been insulting it.

765
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: Whenever he's getting, it's still a tremendous amount of money,

766
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:17,360
even if it was a little bit less than what

767
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,280
he would have gone for Ennis.

768
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,159
Speaker 3: Here's the point, though, It's gonna.

769
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:20,440
Speaker 1: Be up to you know.

770
00:35:20,559 --> 00:35:24,559
Speaker 2: Can the Haney team, can Timo's father, can Ti Fimo's promoter,

771
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,360
can Tifumo's management, can can people at his own whoever

772
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,239
it is, you know, or anybody on Turkey's you know,

773
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,480
inner circle? Can they convince him to like apologize and

774
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:37,960
to smooth things over with Turkey and see if you

775
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:41,119
can salvage the fight. Otherwise they'll probably find somebody else

776
00:35:41,159 --> 00:35:42,840
for Devin Handy to fight and t Fimo will I

777
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,280
have shot himself in the foot like a dummy.

778
00:35:44,519 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 3: All right.

779
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,199
Speaker 1: So, speaking of the whole Ryan Garcia stuff that got

780
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,920
messed up back on May the second, when Garcia lost

781
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,960
to Roly Romero, we have now learned that he had

782
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,400
an injured hand, apparently in training. And I know you've

783
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,440
been reporting on this too. Chris Mannis was the first

784
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,679
to put out there was he had hurt the hand

785
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:06,000
in training and was taking cortizone shots for the hand

786
00:36:06,039 --> 00:36:08,119
because he wanted the fight to move forward with Romero.

787
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,480
All right, So Garcia confirmed on Tuesday night that he

788
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:14,679
had had hand surgery. This is the same right hand.

789
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,559
Because I wrote the story on Big Fight Weekend dot

790
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:17,920
com and went back and looked at the other stuff

791
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,039
I had written, this is the same hand that he

792
00:36:20,119 --> 00:36:22,360
had hand surgery on in October of twenty twenty one.

793
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,159
What else have you found out? Because you're far more

794
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:27,719
plugged in than I am. Besides what we know from

795
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,079
what Garcia told us and the other reporting, well, I.

796
00:36:31,039 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: Don't think anything to do with whatever happened in twenty

797
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:37,039
twenty one. But when I spoke to his advisor of Guadeloupe, Valencia,

798
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:39,400
he made the point that if you remember back in

799
00:36:39,519 --> 00:36:41,719
December and mid December, he pulled out of that exit.

800
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:43,639
Remember he was said to do that exhibition in Japan

801
00:36:44,039 --> 00:36:46,679
on New Year's Night against the Japanese kickboxer had like

802
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,280
one hundred and fifty three pounds or whatever. That would

803
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,760
have been okay because it wasn't a sanctioned fight, because

804
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,159
normally you wouldn't be able to do about if you're

805
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:56,119
under suspension. But in the end, he withdrew from that

806
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,559
event two weeks beforehand because he had hurt his wrist

807
00:36:58,679 --> 00:37:02,159
slash hand, and so they felt like that was that

808
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,000
was being treated. And as Lupe said to me that

809
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:07,159
we thought we could deal with that because he had

810
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:09,840
been able to go back to training. But he dinged

811
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,920
it up in the camp. As you mentioned, he took

812
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,960
the courtzone shots and he went through it the fight

813
00:37:15,079 --> 00:37:16,559
and he hurt the fan again in the fight. And

814
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:19,000
maybe that's one of the reasons why, you know, you

815
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:21,000
look at the punch output, it was one of the

816
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:23,239
lowest in the history of COMPUWOCX. Now that's not a

817
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,039
reason why it would be so low for Roly Romero.

818
00:37:25,639 --> 00:37:27,159
It turned out to be like one of the lowest

819
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:29,519
output of fighting fighters.

820
00:37:29,559 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: And I will say just interject this now makes a

821
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:38,320
little more sense on two fronts. He was so, what's

822
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,239
the best way to put it, non offensive, non energetic,

823
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:47,039
non enthusiastic about engaging. Okay, and then after the fight.

824
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:48,840
I remember telling you that night when we did the

825
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,400
live show on YouTube it was weird after the fight,

826
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,199
where he's like, hey, credit him, and I told you

827
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,559
this is just strange. Now this makes a little more

828
00:37:57,639 --> 00:37:59,800
sense to me. I'm saying this that he knew my

829
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:03,280
hand is screwed up. I re injured the hand during

830
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:04,079
the fight. That's why.

831
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:06,519
Speaker 3: That's excuses. I mean.

832
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 1: Excuse. I'm not I'm not making excuses for my saying

833
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,119
it's now a little more understandable what the behavior was,

834
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:16,559
why he wasn't why he wasn't engaging and throwing as

835
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:19,239
many punches, and why he was weird after the fight.

836
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,960
I am now saying, this is more believable. If you

837
00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:23,519
knew your hand was hurt, and you hurt your hand

838
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:26,079
in the fight, I get that now the weirdness at

839
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:27,440
least is somewhat explained.

840
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 2: A couple a couple of things about that. Number one,

841
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,440
if you're injured, don't fight. Now, to his credit, I'll

842
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,679
give Ryan gar he didn't you, by the way, I'm

843
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:35,280
about to say that.

844
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,559
Speaker 1: He didn't use it as an excuse in the ring, right.

845
00:38:37,639 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: The only reason he brought it up was because the

846
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,119
news came out about about the impending surgery, and then

847
00:38:42,119 --> 00:38:44,239
the surgery that happened, so he responded to that. So,

848
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,719
to his credit, he never mentioned about an injury leading

849
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,239
up to the fight. He didn't use it as an

850
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,159
excuse in the post fight in the ring, he didn't

851
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:51,800
speak about it at the post fight news conference. He

852
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:53,840
hasn't said anything about it to my knowledge, you know,

853
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:55,840
just in the in a few weeks since the fight occurred.

854
00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:59,480
But obviously he uh, you know, he took it into

855
00:38:59,519 --> 00:39:01,559
account and he he basically said, yeah, that's true when

856
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:04,199
he when the news came out about the surgery. But again,

857
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,760
if you're that hurt, don't fight number one. Number two.

858
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,519
His best punches is left hook, so he's still had

859
00:39:10,559 --> 00:39:12,679
the other hand he could use that's used to throw

860
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,880
no punches. So you know, it's just one of those

861
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,280
things where it's disappointing because.

862
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: What do you hear on how long are we talking?

863
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,239
Months probably before I mean, you can get back out

864
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:24,239
at it later this summer.

865
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: And according to Lupez. This is like no contact, layoff,

866
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,760
don't use your hand. You're talking six to eight weeks.

867
00:39:32,039 --> 00:39:32,159
Speaker 1: You know.

868
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:33,679
Speaker 2: Maybe they'll give him the full eight weeks just to

869
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,159
be careful. Maybe a couple of more weeks after that. Obviously,

870
00:39:36,159 --> 00:39:38,320
it's going to be depending on how he feels. He

871
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,760
is being treated by one of the foremost hand experts,

872
00:39:41,159 --> 00:39:43,119
you know, I think certainly in the country, maybe the

873
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,760
world doctor Steven Shin, who if you and I've covered

874
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,320
hand injuries for years. He's done surgeries on everybody. I

875
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,440
think back in the day, he worked on Oscar deal Loway,

876
00:39:51,519 --> 00:39:55,639
He's worked on Canelo Alvarez, He's worked on Alomachenko, He's

877
00:39:55,679 --> 00:39:58,960
worked on now Ryan Garcia. And that's just in terms

878
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,039
of boxers. I mean, there's a I'm sure he's dealt

879
00:40:01,039 --> 00:40:03,679
with too. So that's like one of the biggest names

880
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,760
in that medical field, based out of Los Angeles. And

881
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:10,079
so they'll they'll go through the process and they'll come

882
00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:11,480
back in the fall, and it's a matter of what

883
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:13,199
he's going to do. What's probably not going to be

884
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:16,480
the Hainy fight obviously, and we'll see maybe it'll be,

885
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:18,119
I mean, the one that makes the most sense I

886
00:40:18,159 --> 00:40:20,079
guess I'm not sure I really care about it, but

887
00:40:20,159 --> 00:40:22,960
that's just me. Maybe they'll do a Roly Romero rematch.

888
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,599
I'm sure Romero would take the fight if he gets

889
00:40:24,599 --> 00:40:25,000
paid for it.

890
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: Stay tuned. That's that's looming after he heals up Ryan Garcia.

891
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,880
Are two more things real quick here. Top Rank did

892
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,920
officially announced what we've been talking about, the Xanders Ayas

893
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:42,440
Hoda Hey Garcia vacant WBO Junior Middleweight title fight for

894
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:46,280
July twenty six Also, Bruce Shueshu Carrington announced and confirmed

895
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,760
on the undercard as the co feature. Tell me more

896
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:53,800
about this now that it's officially slated for late July.

897
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so July twenty sixth. It will take place at

898
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,360
the Madison Square Garden Theater, a place where Xander's Ayas

899
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,400
has fought noumerore times. He's fought like eight times between

900
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,119
the Garden and the theater, mostly in the theater. You

901
00:41:05,199 --> 00:41:07,199
have Shushu Carrington who's from Brooklyn, so you got the

902
00:41:07,199 --> 00:41:10,000
Puerto Rican fighter and Zias who will bring that crowd.

903
00:41:10,039 --> 00:41:12,880
You got Bruce Shushu Carrington who comes from Brooklyn. He'll

904
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,239
bring his fans. He'll be fighting at the Garden. I

905
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,280
want to say, like for the this will be his

906
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,800
this fourth fight in a row at the theater or no,

907
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:24,840
I'm sorry, Dezigner's eyes is fourth fight in a row

908
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:26,840
at the theater. And for for Shushue, you know it'll

909
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,599
be like his eighth or ninth fight in the theater.

910
00:41:29,039 --> 00:41:30,519
That's a place that's been a home to him, so

911
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,559
they'll do a crowd there. But he's taking on a

912
00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:37,920
fighter named Mattias Hasha from the African coastal nation of Namibia.

913
00:41:38,119 --> 00:41:42,639
You drop a little geography lesson on the playoff. He look,

914
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,760
I mean, I'm cynical about this. I love Bruce Shushu

915
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,960
Carrington as a fighter. He's a very good prospect. He's

916
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:51,800
exciting to watch. He's got a tremendous personality. We've had

917
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,400
him on the podcast. Good dude, this is such a sham.

918
00:41:55,639 --> 00:41:58,440
I can't help but say any other word. He's getting

919
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,559
a title shot quote on quote is for an interim

920
00:42:01,679 --> 00:42:06,000
WBC title, which is basically because Fulton is the champion,

921
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:07,920
but he's going to be probably fighting at one thirty,

922
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,360
so in essence, they're filling the vacancy before it becomes vacant.

923
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:13,679
You know if he happens to win or loses and

924
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,800
decides to stay at one hundred and thirty. It's the

925
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,159
same thing that happened with Navarette, who ended up losing

926
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,400
and coming back down to one thirty, coming back down

927
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,360
to one thirty when he lost at the one thirty

928
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,360
five title. About Carrington has no resume to speak of,

929
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,119
and the opponent he's facing is all the way down, like,

930
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,440
I don't know, fourteenth or something in the.

931
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: Dow has no business fighting for an interim titles.

932
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 2: He's fought every single one of his fights in Namibia,

933
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,119
and one fight other than that was in Zimbabwe or

934
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:52,119
you know whatever, not Zimbabwe in the Yeah, in Zimbabwe,

935
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:56,639
he's fourteen and oh against fourteen. Nobody's all in a

936
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,280
country that's not known for big time boxing. Now, they've

937
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,280
produced some world champions over the years, but nobody that's

938
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:04,159
going to be on the tip of your tongue or

939
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:06,880
in the Hall of Fame run. So this is just

940
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,760
a complete setup and you know, we'll see, but it's

941
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,199
they're going to get him a belt, and they've been

942
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,880
trying to do this for a while and Xander is

943
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:16,480
in a real fight though in the main event, against

944
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,119
Forge Garcia. If you watch the recent fight that where

945
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:22,880
Hey Garcia fought against Charles Conwell, where Conwa was a

946
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,320
big favorite, but Garcia really did a tremendous job in

947
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:26,679
that fight.

948
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: One.

949
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 2: You know, he's won eight fights in a row and

950
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,000
it's coming off the biggest fight of his career and

951
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:33,679
that was a split decision. But I felt like it

952
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,320
was a split decision that he most definitely deserved against

953
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,920
Conwell handed him his first loss that was back in April.

954
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,199
So he'll come into this fight not off some crazy

955
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,199
long layoff or anything like that. This is a tough

956
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,280
fight for Xanders Ice. Obviously he's gonna be the favorite

957
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,559
of the crowd and probably on the odds as well.

958
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,880
But this is what they've worked for. I mean, it's

959
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,039
like the comment that Bob Aram said when they made

960
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:55,840
then announcement to fight. They signed Top Rank signed Xander's

961
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:58,280
Ice when he was sixteen years old. He didn't turn

962
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,519
professional until he was seventeen years He's now grown in.

963
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:03,800
You know, he's still obviously a very young fighter. He's

964
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,119
only twenty two years old, but he's taking his time.

965
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:08,519
They've built him up. He's got twenty one fights They've

966
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:10,480
done everything that they can do. They've given him different

967
00:44:10,559 --> 00:44:13,880
kinds of styles. He's fought like former champion and Tacieda.

968
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:18,400
He's fought different styles, different sizes, whatever. Now's time to

969
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:18,760
see what.

970
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 3: He can do. At twenty two.

971
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: He's not he's still young, but he's been a pro

972
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,480
for now quite a while, and this is the opportunity.

973
00:44:24,519 --> 00:44:26,119
Speaker 1: And again we'll have more time to talk about this

974
00:44:26,159 --> 00:44:27,800
because the fights a couple months away. The guy he's

975
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,519
fighting is the guy that upset Charles Conwell. I just

976
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:32,800
said that then they had been angling for Conwell to

977
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,239
be that guy. But this is a really tailor made

978
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:37,800
for Zias.

979
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: This was supposed to be Xander's eyes against Fondora. That

980
00:44:41,119 --> 00:44:43,639
was the mandatory fight. He was on board, their team

981
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,639
was ready to do it. They were negotiating, and it

982
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,920
was Fondora's team that opted to not do the fight

983
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:50,559
and take the Tim Zoo rematch, so he got stripped

984
00:44:50,599 --> 00:44:52,679
of the title. So Zius was ready to do the

985
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,320
Fundora fight, so they stripped him and so the next

986
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,599
guy up was Jorgey Garcia coming off that win against Conwell.

987
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:01,880
So this is a good I feel like there's a

988
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,880
good fight now the other aspect of this is not

989
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,599
anybody's press release, But you can't hide from the truth

990
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,079
this fight on July twenty six unless there's some kind

991
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:13,000
of miracle reprieve. This is the last Top Rank event

992
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:17,400
with ESPN after seven after doing all their events with

993
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,639
them since twenty seventeen. They kicked off in July twenty

994
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:24,199
seventeen with Many Paco against Jeff Warren, and this is

995
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:25,960
where all of the content for Top Rank has been

996
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,360
for all those years, and as unless they're doing the

997
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,960
greatest job of hiding anything besides what I'm about to say,

998
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:35,000
they've done a tremendous job of hiding it because right

999
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,800
now Top Rank, to my knowledge and other reporting I

1000
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,760
have seen, they do not have a deal at the

1001
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,239
moment going forward for any future fights with a platform.

1002
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 1: My understanding from talking to somebody with ESPN is they

1003
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:47,880
told Top Ranked months ago that we're not renewing. That's it.

1004
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:50,320
They've done the same thing with Major League Baseball. They've

1005
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,320
done the same thing with Formula one. They're trying to

1006
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,719
restructure what they're doing now, as you just qualified it,

1007
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,519
Does that mean that the two sides could not come

1008
00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:01,639
back and do something at a later I don't know.

1009
00:46:02,159 --> 00:46:03,800
I just I just know with somebody that I talked

1010
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,880
to you earlier this year, we'll see.

1011
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:09,639
Speaker 2: But that's also as one person that's involved in the

1012
00:46:09,679 --> 00:46:11,719
whole situation has said to me. And again I'm not

1013
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,559
saying this is happening or this is a done deal

1014
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:15,119
or anything like that. It is not out of the

1015
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:17,480
realm of possibility at all from what I was told

1016
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,880
that even if they don't do a new long term

1017
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,039
deal with them or whatever the case may be, for

1018
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:24,880
them to go forward with some events on an event

1019
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,519
by event basis, for you know, maybe a couple of

1020
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:30,719
events later the summer, beyond the expiration of the contract

1021
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:34,559
and see how things go. Possible, we'll see if Top

1022
00:46:34,599 --> 00:46:36,840
Rank secure as a deal before then, and hopefully it

1023
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:37,480
doesn't come to that.

1024
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:39,079
Speaker 3: I just know.

1025
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:41,519
Speaker 2: The Top Rank there's a reason they've been one of

1026
00:46:41,559 --> 00:46:43,519
the top promoters, if not the top promoter for many

1027
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,719
many decades. They produce more world champions and superstar fighters

1028
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,119
than probably anybody in the history of boxing as a

1029
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:52,280
promotional entity, and that includes Don King. I mean, they

1030
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,079
have produced one superstar after another. I mean, maybe it

1031
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:57,239
hasn't it's been a little while since they've had a

1032
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,599
big pay per view star but they've got a tremendous

1033
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:01,239
amount of islent right now still on the roster in

1034
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,599
terms of their younger fighters. They still have good quality contenders.

1035
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,239
There's a good chance they pick up another couple of

1036
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,280
title holders on this car July twenty six, with Zaias

1037
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:13,519
and with Carrington, and I would never count them out

1038
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:14,960
by one.

1039
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: More news it, I mean, you did talk about the

1040
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,800
scary situation with Jinchiro Shigioka after he is you know,

1041
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,880
suffered in the IBF Strawway title fight, collapsing in the

1042
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:29,800
ring after the fight was over with. There is an

1043
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,239
update on shiga Yoka's condition from Japan after that title

1044
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,159
fight over the weekend. Go ahead with the latest.

1045
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,039
Speaker 2: So he did have brain surgery to relieve the swelling

1046
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:40,760
and the pressure on his brain. That was something that

1047
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,719
was announced by the Japanese Boxing Commission. They said that

1048
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,000
he was you know, you know that he had suffered

1049
00:47:46,039 --> 00:47:49,400
acute subdurolhematoma, which is bleeding on the brain, which is

1050
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,440
basically if a fighter dies from a fight, that's the

1051
00:47:52,519 --> 00:47:55,800
reason like ninety nine percent of the time. But he

1052
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,400
was alive and he was in intensive care and so

1053
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,960
it was his his brother, whose name is you Die

1054
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:04,400
shig Yoka, who is the former WBC Straway champion. They

1055
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,360
both were champions in the same division. And now he

1056
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,719
posted in Japanese on his Instagram, which I was able to, like,

1057
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,239
you know, cut and paste it and run it through

1058
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,000
the translator to see what was up. Basically, he said

1059
00:48:15,039 --> 00:48:18,760
that they're through the most difficult part of what's been happening.

1060
00:48:19,079 --> 00:48:21,199
But the biggest takeaway from what he wrote was a

1061
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,880
pretty extensive comment. I actually posted the entire English text

1062
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,440
of it in my notebook that's on my substack right now.

1063
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:30,559
But the main thing was he said that his brother

1064
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,119
is no longer on a respirator, that he's able to

1065
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:35,599
breathe on his own, which is definitely a good sign.

1066
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,320
So he, you know, his quote again translated from the

1067
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:41,840
Japanese into the translator. At first he needed a respirator,

1068
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,639
but now he can breathe on his own, and other

1069
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,559
indicators also show improvement. He can get through the next

1070
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:48,599
three or four days, the doctor will be able to

1071
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:50,559
tell us, you know, more about the next step, and

1072
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:53,320
that they appreciate everybody's support and well wishes. And you know,

1073
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,039
he said, look, My brother is a fighter. He's never

1074
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,360
going to give up, and you know, hopefully he's okay.

1075
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,599
Obviously his career is over as a boxer, but the

1076
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:01,199
main thing is hopefully, you know he can go on

1077
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,159
and have a fruitful life beyond the ring and beyond

1078
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:04,679
this injury.

1079
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,079
Speaker 1: Well said. All right, so again we've given you a

1080
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:11,639
bunch in the recap of the Japanese fights midweek, the

1081
00:49:11,679 --> 00:49:14,519
preview of the Caleb Plant main event, and that PBC

1082
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:18,320
on Prime Video cards some news. We say to you,

1083
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:21,199
go find the big fight weeke in YouTube page for

1084
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,960
the nostalgia. We keep pushing you there for the nostalgia.

1085
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:26,199
You'll love it. See what we look like. You're going

1086
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:30,840
to be talking about Johnny Tapia, a humongous fan favorite,

1087
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:37,320
big time personality out of New Mexico right at the time,

1088
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,119
and fought a bunch in Las Vegas. Unfortunately, Johnny Tapia

1089
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,920
lived a tormented life with drugs and drug abuse and

1090
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:47,639
actually died thirteen years ago earlier this week, on May

1091
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,320
twenty seventh. I know you've got a lot to say

1092
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,920
about Johnny Tappian. We encourage them to go find the

1093
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,360
YouTube page where you and I are engaged there where

1094
00:49:56,639 --> 00:49:59,119
you're waxing about him and about what he meant, and

1095
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:01,679
about your interactions being around him and him fighting those demons,

1096
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:04,320
and it's been well documented. They did a documentary about him,

1097
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:08,280
the whole bit about trying to fight the drugs and

1098
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:09,480
the drug abuse.

1099
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,679
Speaker 2: Right amazing. Though he didn't die from the drug abuse.

1100
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,079
I mean he technically he didn't drive from an overdose,

1101
00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:16,719
which I think most people assumed at that moment, but

1102
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,920
it was heart failure apparently now maybe it was brought

1103
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,760
on by the years of abuse. It wasn't specifically because

1104
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:23,760
he oedeed.

1105
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: All right, So find out more about Johnny Tappy, his

1106
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:30,760
career and his life and why we think so. Finally,

1107
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,119
of the great fights that he gave as well, even

1108
00:50:33,159 --> 00:50:36,039
all these years later there on the Big Fight Weekend

1109
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:38,960
YouTube page. With that you and I this the first

1110
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,280
time I mentioned it will reconvene on the bet Us

1111
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,480
Boxing Show on their platforms live at one Eastern time

1112
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:46,960
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1113
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,000
at one Eastern time or even after the fact on

1114
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:52,960
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1115
00:50:53,039 --> 00:50:55,840
and handicapping away on the Caleb Plant main event and

1116
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,280
even the Jamal Charlo co features. So we'll do that

1117
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:00,199
on bet us and we will come off off the

1118
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:02,159
weekend with a recap of whatever happens in that fight

1119
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,280
card and then all the other fight news as well

1120
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,679
anything else. Are we good? I believe that we are.

1121
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1126
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1127
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:26,599
TJ Reeves. You've been with us on the Big Fight

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