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Speaker 3: talk about his prior experiences with dog men. Well, as
Speaker 3: you might have noticed, some people seem to be magnets
Speaker 3: for these things, and tonight's guest would definitely fit into
Speaker 3: that category. Well, as fate would have it, he had
Speaker 3: another encounter earlier this weekend. That's what he's come back
Speaker 3: to tell us about tonight. Of course, I'm talking about
Speaker 3: Al sant Riga. Al, thanks so much for coming back.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me Vic.
Speaker 3: Oh, you're welcome. No, anytime I get an opportunity to
Speaker 3: bring you on, I jump at it. So yeah, glad
Speaker 3: to do it now. As you know, too much of
Speaker 3: anything is normally a bad thing. Look at what happened
Speaker 3: with Dobermans. For example, in the seventies, there was this
Speaker 3: craze where all these people wanted to get Doberman's. Well
Speaker 3: what comes along with that. You had all these backyard
Speaker 3: breeders breeding them. Well, next thing you know, you've got
Speaker 3: all these unstable dogs running around biting people and all that. Well,
Speaker 3: talking about the whole dogma phenomenon, this dogmiath thing is
Speaker 3: really grown wings and taken off. What are your thoughts
Speaker 3: on that? Do you see that is a good thing
Speaker 3: or a bad thing?
Speaker 1: I think it's a double edged sword, to be honest.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing that more people are
Speaker 1: aware of what's out there. I think it's a bad
Speaker 1: thing because of COVID. Everybody and their mother are podcasters now,
Speaker 1: and not everybody's as professional as you, And I think
Speaker 1: people are just looking for content, and I think people
Speaker 1: are making stuff up just to get on the radio.
Speaker 1: And you're getting a lot of bad intel on these creatures,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people giving their professional opinion and stating they should do this,
Speaker 1: that and the other thing, when I think their opinion
Speaker 1: is one hundred percent wrong and they should stay in
Speaker 1: their lanes. But you know, I'm just one man. That's
Speaker 1: just one man's opinion.
Speaker 3: Well that's not just one man's opinion. I agree with
Speaker 3: pretty much everything you said. There are a lot of
Speaker 3: people making creepy pasta that they present as being true stories,
Speaker 3: which it's no secret I hate that, think it's a
Speaker 3: horrible idea. But what you talked about the people who
Speaker 3: are putting out information, putting out opinions, I should say,
Speaker 3: but they're treating them like their fact when it comes
Speaker 3: to advice on how to handle a dog man encounter,
Speaker 3: putting out bad info about dog men that might get
Speaker 3: someone killed. I've got a big problem with that as well.
Speaker 3: And you touched on that just a moment ago all
Speaker 3: the other stuff, it kind of ruffles my feathers. But
Speaker 3: when people are putting out info that could quite possibly
Speaker 3: get someone ended about these guys about dogmen, I have
Speaker 3: a big problem with that. What do you think is
Speaker 3: the biggest lie that's being spread about these guys that
Speaker 3: might cause that to happen, might cause a person to
Speaker 3: be ended.
Speaker 1: Oh well, My personal opinion, again just one man's opinion,
Speaker 1: is that I think there are so many people out
Speaker 1: there doing podcasts and a lot of them being invited
Speaker 1: to some poseums and presentations, and they're all claiming that
Speaker 1: these creatures are bloodthirsty killers and they're not I've had
Speaker 1: so many encounters with them, so many different locations. If
Speaker 1: that was the case, I would be dead ten times
Speaker 1: over already, you know what I mean. So, no, they're
Speaker 1: not bloodthirsty killers. And no, you shouldn't shoot at these
Speaker 1: creatures when you see them in the woods because you're scared.
Speaker 1: You should just walk away, you know, and let them
Speaker 1: do what they're doing, and you go on and you
Speaker 1: do your own thing. But they're not all bloodthirsty kills.
Speaker 1: If that was the case, there would be so many
Speaker 1: more hikers missing and investigators found dead in the woods.
Speaker 3: I think you hit it on the head, but you know,
Speaker 3: it is fear cells when these people make up these
Speaker 3: fake stories that they present as being true ones. Yeah,
Speaker 3: every time you turn the it's about this mindless dog
Speaker 3: man that's going to rip you a part. As soon
Speaker 3: as the opportunity presents itself. That sells, I get it.
Speaker 3: But what they don't think about, or don't care about,
Speaker 3: is the fact that you've got so many of these
Speaker 3: eyewitnesses who've had encounters, real encounters with these guys that
Speaker 3: they're barely able to deal with. Some can't deal with
Speaker 3: their encounters. They listen to this crap think they're true stories,
Speaker 3: and then now they're having an even harder time dealing
Speaker 3: with their encounters. That's where I come in. I have
Speaker 3: to talk them off the ledge and try to help
Speaker 3: them understand that no, this didn't happen. That didn't happen.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's not a victimless deal here. There's definite
Speaker 3: blowback to that. And you know, I haven't hidden the
Speaker 3: fact that I'm really frustrated by it. I really am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Oh definitely. But it seems like also what comes along
Speaker 3: with this popularity increase, You've got so many people who
Speaker 3: are heading out into the woods that want to be
Speaker 3: quote unquote dog mean investigators. Well you're a dogman investigator,
Speaker 3: a well tenured one. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: I say, don't go into the woods looking for these things.
Speaker 1: That's what I tell everybody when people ask me, where
Speaker 1: do I have to go to find them? Or what
Speaker 1: do I need to do when I when I where
Speaker 1: do I what I need to do to bring them in?
Speaker 1: Or what do I need to have on me to predict? Say?
Speaker 1: Tell them the same thing all the time. Don't go
Speaker 1: looking for these things. Be careful what you wish for.
Speaker 1: These things are not cuddly little puppies that you can
Speaker 1: play with, little balls of fur. No, these are alpha
Speaker 1: predators and if they're in the woods hunting, they're hungry.
Speaker 1: The last thing they want to do is be bothered
Speaker 1: by you. You don't want to get on one's wrong side,
Speaker 1: you know. And like I said, they're not all bloodthirsty killers.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't take much to piss something off that's
Speaker 1: looking to hunt and feed itself or it's family. And
Speaker 1: then you're in this way, you know what a fake
Speaker 1: calls to bring it in and a spotlight to blind
Speaker 1: it or something, you know what I mean. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: could rub one the wrong way very easily, and then
Speaker 1: things could get bad very quickly. You know. I tell people,
Speaker 1: don't go I don't go out looking for these things anymore.
Speaker 1: I know where they are. I don't go where they are.
Speaker 1: I go in the opposite direction. If we happen to
Speaker 1: cross paths, we cross paths. But that's it. You know,
Speaker 1: there's really no reason to be searching for these creatures.
Speaker 1: They there should be left alone, you know, just leave
Speaker 1: them alone and let them live and let live, you know,
Speaker 1: to sas squatch, the whole different animal sasquatches, a much
Speaker 1: more non aggressive still you know, an alpha predator, but
Speaker 1: much more less aggressive. Where the bigfoot sees you, it
Speaker 1: turns and it walks back the way he came. It
Speaker 1: doesn't want to deal with us. It knows we're nothing
Speaker 1: but trouble. But a dog man tends to get off
Speaker 1: on feeding off of our fears and scaring us. Another
Speaker 1: thing that irks me is just again it's one man's opinion.
Speaker 1: When people say, oh, I've seen the dog man and
Speaker 1: he smiled at me. I don't think it was a smile.
Speaker 1: I don't believe the dog man is smiling at you.
Speaker 1: I think he's showing you his teeth to let you
Speaker 1: know that if he wants you, he can take you
Speaker 1: at any given time. It's not a smile. Well, don't
Speaker 1: smile and wave back, don't take his picture. He's not
Speaker 1: smiling at you. That's a warning. That's a warning for
Speaker 1: you to turn and go the other way. With EU
Speaker 1: opinion on that, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think they do actually smile, and eyewitnesses because they're
Speaker 3: so intelligent. I sure do. Because they're so intelligent and
Speaker 3: they know how to push our buttons. I think they
Speaker 3: most definitely do smile that eyewitnesses because they know if
Speaker 3: they smile at us, that's going to push our buttons
Speaker 3: out much more, and they'll do anything they can in
Speaker 3: a lot of cases to get that response out of us.
Speaker 3: So it's my opinion that they actually are smiling at
Speaker 3: us when eyewitnesses say that that's what they experienced.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, you know, like I said, it's one
Speaker 1: man's opinion. You know that your opinion is as good
Speaker 1: as mine, So I just don't see it. But again,
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'll explain it. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: been around dogs my whole life. I trained dogs, and
Speaker 1: I've seen them shell their teeth, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: And they do look like they're smiling, but absolutely they do,
Speaker 1: but they're not really smiling. They're just warning you to,
Speaker 1: you know, back off. But you could. But again, these
Speaker 1: creatures are so intelligent that it wouldn't surprise me if
Speaker 1: it's smiling at you to freak you out, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it could be a smile. I guess.
Speaker 3: Well, like you said, I mean, you might be right
Speaker 3: about that. I might be right. Who knows, It's really
Speaker 3: hard to say. I will tell you this though, I
Speaker 3: have had a dog actually smile at me before, and
Speaker 3: it was one of the creepiest things. My cousin this
Speaker 3: was about thirty forty years ago, now, I guess over
Speaker 3: forty years ago. My cousin had a blue tick, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: a yellow tick. And I went up in petitor. I'd
Speaker 3: never met her before. I was just bending over and
Speaker 3: I was scrunching under her neck, and next thing I know,
Speaker 3: she shows me all of her teeth. But it looked
Speaker 3: different than a dog bearing its teeth. Something about it
Speaker 3: was different. But it was just creepy, freaky looking. So
Speaker 3: I went over to him and I told him about
Speaker 3: what I had just seen, and he said, yeah, that's so.
Speaker 3: And so she was smiling at you. She has a
Speaker 3: reputation for doing that. It's I can't even words, can't
Speaker 3: do it any justice. But it was the freakiest thing
Speaker 3: I've seen she actually did. She moved her up her lips,
Speaker 3: so for a dog, it looked like a smile. Never
Speaker 3: seen that since, but that was just the creepiest thing.
Speaker 1: Holy cow, Yeah, that's wild. And I've never in all
Speaker 1: the years I've dealt with dogs and stuff, had anything
Speaker 1: like that happened. That's pretty unique. I guess for that,
Speaker 1: maybe for that breed. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. She was wagging her tail and
Speaker 3: clearly happy, just yeah, smiling, I guess you could say.
Speaker 3: And she was looking me right in the eye with
Speaker 3: this kind of wait for your response type look. I
Speaker 3: guess that's the best way you could put it, because
Speaker 3: that's the first thing I did was look into her
Speaker 3: eyes to see what I could see about her mindset,
Speaker 3: and it was just creepy. Holy cow, make the heir
Speaker 3: in your butt stand up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's new to me, that's for sure. Absolutely, So
Speaker 1: maybe I am wrong. I don't I don't want to
Speaker 1: backpedal on what I just said. But nobody knows for sure.
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Speaker 3: al well, please tell us about this most recent encounter.
Speaker 3: Now give us a relast detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, Monday, we had a storm blow through. I live
Speaker 1: in the Hudson Valley in New York State. We had
Speaker 1: a storm blow through. So Tuesday was my day off,
Speaker 1: and I went around the yard and I picked up
Speaker 1: all the sticks and everything that came down off the trees.
Speaker 1: Right now, in my town, we have a non burn
Speaker 1: thing going on. We can't burn during the day. But
Speaker 1: they didn't say anything about fire pits that night. So
Speaker 1: what I did was I picked up all the sticks
Speaker 1: that were in the yard because I wanted to cut
Speaker 1: the grass on Sunday, and I threw them all. I
Speaker 1: threw them all in the fire pit, and I figured,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'll get rid of them tonight. I'll
Speaker 1: do a fire pit. I'll sit outside with the hose
Speaker 1: and listen to the Yankee game and have a beer
Speaker 1: and just chill out, you know. So I did that.
Speaker 1: I was out in the backyard and I was and
Speaker 1: I had my pistol group shot done with me because
Speaker 1: recently we've had black bears coming down out of the
Speaker 1: woods and looking in the back door, and one of
Speaker 1: the bears ripped open my neighbor's retaining wall because he
Speaker 1: had to be hive in it or something, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I'm sitting by the fire pit and I
Speaker 1: don't have my backyard set up yet. It's like I
Speaker 1: do in the summer with the tiki torches and the
Speaker 1: and the bug lamps. And I have an orange lamp
Speaker 1: that I have that sits on the gazebo over the fire,
Speaker 1: over the gas grill. I usually have that on. So
Speaker 1: I'm just sitting out there in dark, and I had
Speaker 1: my shotgun, but my shotgun has one hundred luma flesh
Speaker 1: light on it. The pistol grip has a hundred loum
Speaker 1: of flesh light. And I'm sitting out there listening to
Speaker 1: the game and watching the fire burn. And it was
Speaker 1: around nine o'clock, I would say it was late late
Speaker 1: innings of the game. And I heard all this commotion
Speaker 1: coming down out of the woods behind my house. I
Speaker 1: have one hundred acres of woods that used to be
Speaker 1: all apple orchards, and when the apples fall from the trees,
Speaker 1: we had a lot of deer that come through these woods.
Speaker 1: And I know for a fact we've had big foots
Speaker 1: coming through here well across the street from my house.
Speaker 1: I have one hundred acres of wetlands, so you know,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty used to the sasas watches coming by. But
Speaker 1: later in the year when the apples are on the
Speaker 1: trees and stuff like that. But I'm sitting outside and
Speaker 1: I hear all this commotion in the woods and it
Speaker 1: sounds like two bulldozers were coming down the hill. And
Speaker 1: something is screaming to high heaven, just a scream that
Speaker 1: I've never heard before, and it's something is screaming for
Speaker 1: its life. And I'm sitting in my yard and I
Speaker 1: turned on the flash light because I hear something coming
Speaker 1: down the hill. And my neighbor to the right of me,
Speaker 1: he has a fire pit is in the shape of
Speaker 1: a half octagon. It's all made out of cinder block.
Speaker 1: It's at least six seven feet high. And I'm hearing
Speaker 1: something run up the cement blocks, so I shine the
Speaker 1: light over at the cement blocks to see what's there.
Speaker 1: And I see this raccoon run up this tiny little
Speaker 1: skinny tree, and then right behind it, I see this
Speaker 1: dog man grab the skinny tree and start shaking it.
Speaker 1: At that point, the raccoon jumps over to the next tree,
Speaker 1: which is about the same size, maybe seven inches in
Speaker 1: diameter all the way around. Not big ones, you know, saplings,
Speaker 1: but they're up there. They're up there about I would say,
Speaker 1: twenty five thirty feet tall, you know, even though they're
Speaker 1: skinny and I'm looking at this dog man, it doesn't
Speaker 1: even know I'm there. It's it's totally oblivious to when
Speaker 1: it reaches up to the tree that the raccoon is on,
Speaker 1: and the raccoon is climbing to the top, and it starts.
Speaker 1: It first started to shake the tree, and then it
Speaker 1: grabbed the tree and it started to pull the tree down,
Speaker 1: bending the tree over, almost like in an arch kind
Speaker 1: of shape. So I got up and I walked over
Speaker 1: very quietly. I walked over and when it turned around,
Speaker 1: cause the whole time it was shaking a tree and
Speaker 1: pulling a tree down, it had its back to me.
Speaker 1: But then it turned around to face the raccoon, and
Speaker 1: it was like pulling the tree down hand over hand.
Speaker 1: And at that point it's facing me and it's the
Speaker 1: tree is bent down. I don't know if the creature
Speaker 1: is standing on the ground or if the tree has
Speaker 1: lifted it off the ground, because I'm only seen from
Speaker 1: midwaist up because the wall is so high, and I'm
Speaker 1: looking at this thing and it's pulling, and I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the raccoon, and the raccoon is screaming for its life.
Speaker 1: And I looked back at this creature and the light
Speaker 1: hits it in the eyes, and it's as it's pulling
Speaker 1: this tree down hand over hand. Time has slowed down.
Speaker 1: Vic It's surreal. I can't I can't emphasize that enough.
Speaker 1: It's like time has slowed down. And this thing looks
Speaker 1: at me and subconsciously, I don't know if it's muscle memory.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's uh, what do you call that?
Speaker 1: Fight or flight? But I cocked the gun and I
Speaker 1: put him around in the chamber. Now, the thought of
Speaker 1: shooting it never crossed my mind. I never had a
Speaker 1: conscious thought of I should put around in the chamber.
Speaker 1: But my arm just cock that gun naturally. I don't
Speaker 1: know where that came from. I wasn't thinking of doing it,
Speaker 1: but it did. And the minute it heard that sound, click, click,
Speaker 1: it looked at me and it let go of the tree.
Speaker 1: And what I thought the tree was going to bounce
Speaker 1: straight back up, the tree never went back up. The
Speaker 1: tree is still bent over in the arch position. And
Speaker 1: I ran over to the fire pit because I heard
Speaker 1: it take off up the woods. And when I ran
Speaker 1: over to the side of the fire pit, I'm in
Speaker 1: my yard, but I'm towards I'm on the back end
Speaker 1: of the fire pit. I'm flashing the flashlight up into
Speaker 1: the woods, and the crazy thing I've ever seen, this
Speaker 1: creature ran directly up, ran directly up the woods north,
Speaker 1: up the woods on two legs, never went down on
Speaker 1: all fours, and it's serpentimed going up the hill. And
Speaker 1: I couldn't get over the fact that this creature was
Speaker 1: surpentime going up the hill. I was like, I can't
Speaker 1: believe because I'm seeing the leaves move from my left
Speaker 1: and I'm hearing I'm hearing all these leaves and sticks break,
Speaker 1: and then it's going to the right and I'm hearing
Speaker 1: sticks and branches break to the right, and I'm seeing
Speaker 1: branches moving. And it did this all the way up
Speaker 1: the hill as far as my one hundred lima fleshlight
Speaker 1: could shine. And I was just dumbfounded by that fact
Speaker 1: that this creature knew what I was doing. When I
Speaker 1: loaded down gun, when I put around in the chamber,
Speaker 1: and it knew enough to run but to serpentine, but
Speaker 1: it never went down to all fours. It ran leaning
Speaker 1: over because it was running up hill. And it may
Speaker 1: have even been using its front arms to pull itself
Speaker 1: up the mountain as it was going that I couldn't tell,
Speaker 1: but it was just mind boggling. And then I looked
Speaker 1: at the raccoon on the on the tree and he's
Speaker 1: just ending here looking at me, screaming like he was
Speaker 1: just shocked. And I walked back to the fire pit
Speaker 1: and I put the fire out, and I think the
Speaker 1: Yankee game was even over at that point. I don't
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I kind of lost track
Speaker 1: of the game. And I put the fire out. I
Speaker 1: covered the pits so no ashes would blow around or
Speaker 1: any air wind would start the fire back up. And
Speaker 1: I went inside and my wife came out of the
Speaker 1: bedroom and she's like, what's going on out the hair?
Speaker 1: A lot of screaming because she's in the bedroom watching
Speaker 1: TV and the bedroom window faces the backyard so she
Speaker 1: can hear all that. Plus she has all kinds of
Speaker 1: animals out here that she feeds, foxes and deers and birds.
Speaker 1: We have four cats that have heated cat houses. We
Speaker 1: have a skunks, we have possums, we have raccoons, we
Speaker 1: have turkeys during the day. We have everything. And we
Speaker 1: have a black bear now too, apparently. And she came
Speaker 1: out and she said, what was all that noise, you know?
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, it was nothing, you know.
Speaker 1: And I'm unloading the shopgun and she goes, what's wrong
Speaker 1: with you? And I was like, no, nothing's wrong with me.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm okay. And then I did something that
Speaker 1: was totally out of character for me. I went to
Speaker 1: the liquor cabin and I poured a shot whiskey and
Speaker 1: she's like, you're having a shot at Jamison And I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like a shot at Jamerson, but you never drink.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I feel like a shot, so
Speaker 1: I'm going to have a shot. So I had a
Speaker 1: shot at Jamerson because in my head, I'm still trying
Speaker 1: to wrap my brain around everything that just happened. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: having a conversation with her, you know, and I don't
Speaker 1: want to tell her what I just experienced because I
Speaker 1: don't want her to be afraid to go into her
Speaker 1: own yard, you know what I mean. And it was
Speaker 1: just it was just so surreal, Like it was like
Speaker 1: the following day, when I got home from work, I
Speaker 1: went over to my neighbor's fire pit, I took pictures
Speaker 1: of it. I took pictures of my fire pit. I
Speaker 1: took pictures of his fire pit to show you what
Speaker 1: I was dealing when I showed took pictures of the
Speaker 1: of the Mosburg Cystol Grip five hundred, and I went
Speaker 1: over to just to look at the fire pit, and
Speaker 1: not thinking that the tree wouldn't be back up the
Speaker 1: way it was when it started today, you know. I
Speaker 1: thought it would be perfectly straight up and down like
Speaker 1: the other sapling that it ran up originally. But the
Speaker 1: tree never went back to its original position. It's higher
Speaker 1: now than it was when the creature was on it
Speaker 1: pulling it down, you know, but it's still in an
Speaker 1: arch position. And I took a picture of it just
Speaker 1: to show you what I was looking at, and like
Speaker 1: the thought never crossed my mind and it would still
Speaker 1: be that way, you know, because it's sapling. I just
Speaker 1: figured it would bounce right back up, spring right back up.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, I guess the torque of the
Speaker 1: weight of this creature pulling it, pulling down on it,
Speaker 1: just destroyed it on the inside. I guess, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just mind boggling. And you know, I was talking
Speaker 1: to friends about it and they were like, oh, you
Speaker 1: should have shot it, And I was like, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to go to war with these things? Are you
Speaker 1: out of your mind? I'm not shooting it. First of all,
Speaker 1: all I have in the gun is double odd buck.
Speaker 1: I don't have any slugs in the gun, you know,
Speaker 1: because the gun is set up for home defense. Really,
Speaker 1: you know, I just figured if the bear was out there,
Speaker 1: I'd shoot it into the trees and just the noise alone,
Speaker 1: they would run away, never thinking that I was going
Speaker 1: to run into a cryptid, you know, especially a dog man.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, no, I said, no, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't have shot at it. First of all, if I
Speaker 1: would have shot at it, it's double odd buck. In
Speaker 1: half of the buck shot would have hit the cement wall.
Speaker 1: It's in the block wall, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I would have got the creature with a couple of
Speaker 1: bbi's or something, but that's about it. And I said,
Speaker 1: then it would have killed me, you know, or even
Speaker 1: if it would have ran off wounded. It would have
Speaker 1: been maybe it would have came back with a whole
Speaker 1: pack of them. I don't know. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do that. Plus I told my friend I was talking to,
Speaker 1: I was like, did you forget about the story about
Speaker 1: the men in black? Do you think I want to
Speaker 1: deal with them again at my own house? Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: I just it was just such a surreal thing to
Speaker 1: experience because it was the furthest thing from my mind
Speaker 1: when I was out there. You know, I was more
Speaker 1: concerned with the black bear coming down and creeping up
Speaker 1: on me, because if it comes down out of the
Speaker 1: woods on all floors, it's going to be loaded aground.
Speaker 1: And it was so dark that night, it was overcast,
Speaker 1: and all I had was the firepig going and't have
Speaker 1: anything set up. And I'd even you have my fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred little flesh light that I usually take out with
Speaker 1: me with me the night, because I knew I had
Speaker 1: the one hundred luma on the gun and I would
Speaker 1: just use that, not expecting to ever have to use
Speaker 1: the gun, you know, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 1: it was just so surreal. The whole thing was absolutely surreal,
Speaker 1: just and it all went down like in slow motion,
Speaker 1: you know. And even when I got close to it,
Speaker 1: even though it ran away, you know, up the woods,
Speaker 1: I got so close to that fire pit, I must got.
Speaker 1: At one point, I was maybe five feet from that
Speaker 1: raccoon up up in the tree, you know, and he
Speaker 1: was looking at me, screaming at me, and I was like,
Speaker 1: just don't jump down on my head. You know. It
Speaker 1: was just just surreal. And I don't even know when
Speaker 1: that raccoon came down off that tree, because when I
Speaker 1: got back to the fire pit and I put it out,
Speaker 1: and I shut the radio walls and I packed everything up,
Speaker 1: you know, and I did everything like I normally did.
Speaker 1: I didn't leave the hose out or you know, let
Speaker 1: the fire ground. I made sure the fire was out.
Speaker 1: I cut over it so there wouldn't be any uh
Speaker 1: things flying away in the night starting fires anywhere. You know.
Speaker 1: I was very concerned with that, and I rolled up
Speaker 1: the holes. I did everything like I normally did to
Speaker 1: try to keep myself in a normal state of mind
Speaker 1: without you know, being too overwhelmed by what just happened.
Speaker 3: Never a dull moment, huh. I'll tell you what, if
Speaker 3: you want to have some excitement, hang around with this
Speaker 3: man because sooner or later, excitement's going to happen. That's
Speaker 3: a guaranteed thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can't get my wife or my son
Speaker 1: to come out with me. I don't believe anything I say.
Speaker 1: The funny thing is I'm always going out with other individuals,
Speaker 1: you know, so I always have people to validate what
Speaker 1: we've experienced, you know. And the last few times I've
Speaker 1: gone out, like the last time I went out, and
Speaker 1: I want my cousin Sean, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: in sure, it's a twenty year old kid. I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: if you don't believe me, you gotta believe Sean. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a twenty year old kid. Why would he lie
Speaker 1: about what we experienced, you know? And and like my
Speaker 1: wife's like, oh, I got better things to do than
Speaker 1: sit in the woods beaten by bugs. And my son's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Thanks, I'll pass. But meanwhile, they just
Speaker 1: kill me when I when I when I talk about
Speaker 1: my experiences, I don't believe a word I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: was like, it's so frustrating not to have your family
Speaker 1: members support you like that, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh, sure, it's really frustrating. It's bad enough when you
Speaker 3: have one encounter with a dog me in and your
Speaker 3: family members don't believe you, but you've had a multitude
Speaker 3: of them and they still don't believe you. So that's
Speaker 3: got to be frustrating. I'm wondering, though, do you have
Speaker 3: any concerns about her safety when you consider the fact
Speaker 3: that she doesn't believe you, doesn't believe that a dog
Speaker 3: mean might be outside.
Speaker 1: No, because first of all, she never goes in the
Speaker 1: yard at night, you know what I mean, that's not
Speaker 1: her thing. She won't even sit by the fire pick
Speaker 1: because again, it's too buggy, that's my thing. So she
Speaker 1: doesn't really spend much time in the yard at night.
Speaker 1: And if she did, I have a feeling that she
Speaker 1: would just say the dog man or the sasquatch or
Speaker 1: whatever she's seen, she would just say it was a bear,
Speaker 1: because that's in her her mind. That would be the
Speaker 1: only way she could justify what she's seen and not
Speaker 1: freak her out so much where she wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to sleep at night, because bears are bears, and there's
Speaker 1: nothing you know, everybody, everybody knows bears exist. But I
Speaker 1: don't think she would recognize it for what it is.
Speaker 1: I think she would file it away in the back
Speaker 1: and think it was she would put it. She would
Speaker 1: she would relate it to something that she can relate to,
Speaker 1: like a bear, a black bear or something. That's what
Speaker 1: I think would happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be a good thing, because unfortunately some
Speaker 3: people just can't hear having a dog meaning encounter in
Speaker 3: sounds to me like your wife just might be one
Speaker 3: of those people. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean, she believes in the paranormal and
Speaker 1: everything else, ghosts and aliens, and but she just she
Speaker 1: won't wrap her mind around cryptids. She just she just
Speaker 1: refuses to wrap her mind around cryptids, and until she
Speaker 1: actually has one standing in front of her, she's not
Speaker 1: gonna believe it. And even then, I swear I don't
Speaker 1: think she would believe it then, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it is what it is. I just do what
Speaker 1: I do. You know, I just go on with my life.
Speaker 1: I go out with my out with my relatives or
Speaker 1: my friends, and I do my investigations. But again, I
Speaker 1: don't go looking for the dog man anymore. I stay
Speaker 1: away from the dog man. It's just no reason to
Speaker 1: put yourself in harms way. You know. Not that I
Speaker 1: think they're bloodthirsty animals, I don't, But I think there's
Speaker 1: a psychology that they use that is so disrupting to
Speaker 1: the human mind that I think it freaks people out
Speaker 1: more that way for a longer period of time than
Speaker 1: if they just you know, to clawed somebody and the
Speaker 1: scars healed, you know what I mean. I think they
Speaker 1: do more damage psychologically than physically. You know.
Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately that's what they're out to do. Like I said,
Speaker 3: they really do know to push our buttons. Their masters
Speaker 3: at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. And I believe they feed off our fear.
Speaker 1: I truly do believe that. There's no doubt in my mind.
Speaker 1: I believe they feed off our fear.
Speaker 3: Now, I believe it. I think you're right. Before that
Speaker 3: raccoon and the dog met me, their presence known to you,
Speaker 3: did you ever notice any foul smells or dropping the
Speaker 3: ambient noises around you.
Speaker 1: I don't remember any foul smells, But there were times
Speaker 1: when everything goes silent back here. Yeah, O, you know,
Speaker 1: because I spend a lot of time in the yard
Speaker 1: at night during the spring in the fall, when I
Speaker 1: got the firepit going. I like to sit outside and
Speaker 1: listen to you know, sports and stuff and have a
Speaker 1: cold beer. And there are times when the everything gets quiet,
Speaker 1: and you know when that happens. And again I'm not
Speaker 1: saying I'll ever smoke anything nasty. No, I don't remember.
Speaker 1: But again, you know, we have mountain lions up here,
Speaker 1: we have bobcats, we have black bear, we have predators.
Speaker 1: So could it just be a regular known predator walking
Speaker 1: through the woods and everything gets quiet? Absolutely? You know.
Speaker 1: Like I said, I've been in the backyard with the
Speaker 1: firepit going when the sasquatches walk by. And the funny
Speaker 1: thing is that they can walk by maybe twenty five
Speaker 1: feet away from me and not make a sound. But
Speaker 1: sometimes they march through like I heard the elephants, so
Speaker 1: they want me to know they're there. There's even my
Speaker 1: neighbor has one of those aluminum sheds where you have
Speaker 1: put this lawn mower and stuff, and every now and
Speaker 1: again they'll bang on the shed to let me know
Speaker 1: they're walking by, you know, and then you hear them
Speaker 1: walk past. I don't see them because there's so much
Speaker 1: foliage in my far backyard, the second half of my
Speaker 1: backyard that you know, them being dark to begin with
Speaker 1: and the light not getting through that foliage. You just
Speaker 1: you hear them if they want you to hear them,
Speaker 1: and you hear them walk by, you know, and they do.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'll wake up in the morning and they'll
Speaker 1: be like a quartz crystal stone on my fire pit.
Speaker 1: My fire pit's red brick. Where did they find this
Speaker 1: quartz crystal stone at you know what I mean? And
Speaker 1: they leave me a gift just to say, hey, we
Speaker 1: came by today. And then I usually take that gift
Speaker 1: and I bring it back to their location and I
Speaker 1: leave it back there for them. You know, it goes
Speaker 1: back and forth. But yeah, no, I mean I've known
Speaker 1: when the sasquatch has gone by just you could feel
Speaker 1: the energy if you know they're there. You know, you
Speaker 1: could feel the energy and you know they're going by,
Speaker 1: and it's not a big deal. I've never been scared
Speaker 1: out of my yard in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: even when all the crickets and everything stopped making noise.
Speaker 1: You know, I've never been scared out of my yard.
Speaker 1: I've never And it was like never. Never put the
Speaker 1: fire out and ran inside thinking that you know, a
Speaker 1: mountain lion is going to come charging out through the
Speaker 1: woods or a black bear or a pack of wolves
Speaker 1: or something, you know what I mean. Now, never been
Speaker 1: scared out of my yard. I've been in thirty years,
Speaker 1: and uh, there's never been scared out of my yard.
Speaker 1: And I'm not going to let anything scare me out
Speaker 1: of my own yard.
Speaker 3: You know, got to give it to you. You don't
Speaker 3: frighten easily.
Speaker 1: Well, you know. I mean, I mean, if I go
Speaker 1: out there and I'm not feeling anything, and then the
Speaker 1: energy changes of the of the yard changes and I
Speaker 1: get like a vibe that hmm, you know, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: being hunted. I'll come inside and I'll take out I
Speaker 1: got a lot of guns, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm a gun guy. I got a lot of guns.
Speaker 1: I'll take out one of my guns and I'll sit
Speaker 1: in the yard with my gun, you know, even if
Speaker 1: it's just a nine millimeter or some pistol, you know,
Speaker 1: just something to defend myself with. But I don't let
Speaker 1: anything chase me out now. I'm not letting and you're
Speaker 1: not chasing me out of my own yard. And if
Speaker 1: I need to go to a bigger caliber, I could
Speaker 1: always go bigger, you know, so, but I've never shot
Speaker 1: anything in my yard either.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad you've never needed to.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not no.
Speaker 3: How people, is that tree that dogged me and pulled
Speaker 3: down at its.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't really go back behind my neighbor's fire
Speaker 1: pit to measure it, But like I said, I would say,
Speaker 1: no bigger than eight inches. It's circumference. No bigger than that,
Speaker 1: and that's the biggest I think it would be. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying between six and eight inches. Yeah, it wasn't
Speaker 1: a big tree by any stretching imagination. You know. We
Speaker 1: got some big maples back here, you know, but nothing
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sixty eight inch diameter trees not a big one.
Speaker 3: But that still takes a lot of strength to bend
Speaker 3: it over in bullet the way that dog man did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you know, And like iain, again, like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm surprised at being such a young tree that it
Speaker 1: didn't bounce back up and you know, head for the
Speaker 1: skies against straight up. That has still stayed in that position.
Speaker 1: So whenever it did when it pulled it down, it
Speaker 1: must have damaged, you know, really bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't understand that with a tree like that,
Speaker 3: I would expect it to either break or to snap
Speaker 3: back up straight if it's healthy. I don't understand why
Speaker 3: it would have both the way it did unless the
Speaker 3: top had been pinned to the ground. So yeah, that's
Speaker 3: hard to understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't understand it either. Believe me. I
Speaker 1: was shocked when it went over there yesterday to get
Speaker 1: fitches for you, and I seen it was. I mean, again,
Speaker 1: it's much higher now than it was when he was
Speaker 1: pulling down on it, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: was a lot lower to the ground. But maybe it's
Speaker 1: working its way back up. I don't know, but it's
Speaker 1: it wasn't back up. I wouldn't have expected it to
Speaker 1: sling shot right back up, you know, maybe even thrown
Speaker 1: that raccoon further into one of the other neighbor's yards,
Speaker 1: you know, like a catapult. But no, it didn't budge.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah that's what you would expect. Yeah, when that
Speaker 3: dogged me and looked at you, what did you see
Speaker 3: in this face? Fear or something else?
Speaker 1: I seen shock, Like he didn't expect me to be there. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he didn't see the fire through
Speaker 1: all the leaf canopy and leaf all the leaves all
Speaker 1: the shrubs and everything I have in my backyard. You know, again,
Speaker 1: I'm not talking a big bonfire either. It was just
Speaker 1: all small sticks and brambles kind of stuff that I
Speaker 1: had picked up off the ground that I didn't want
Speaker 1: to run over with the lawnmower, you know. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't It wasn't like I was setting the fire pit
Speaker 1: up for a real fire. But I was setting the
Speaker 1: fire put up. For a real fire pit, I would
Speaker 1: have had three solid logs in there, and the flames
Speaker 1: would have been up five feet high six feet high.
Speaker 1: You know. This was just small stuff like kindling kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, you know. Or maybe he just didn't see it,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Or maybe he was just so focused
Speaker 1: in or maybe he didn't see it because he was
Speaker 1: in my neighbor's yard and that firepit wall is so big,
Speaker 1: you know, it's cinder block wall, and maybe he didn't
Speaker 1: see it because of the cinder block wall. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it is all we can do is
Speaker 3: guess about that. We're never gonna know.
Speaker 1: He had like a shocked look on my face when
Speaker 1: when he turned around to pull the tree down, because
Speaker 1: originally he was pulling it down backwards. He was like
Speaker 1: backing up, and then he spun around to look at
Speaker 1: the raccoon and pull it down that way. And when
Speaker 1: he spun around the flesh I hit him in the face,
Speaker 1: and he was like shocked to see me there, like
Speaker 1: what are you doing here?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: It wasn't He didn't look happy, It didn't look mad.
Speaker 1: He was just looked like he was shocked.
Speaker 5: I got the expression I had on my face, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean. I don't know what my face
Speaker 5: looked like when I seen him. You know, my mouth
Speaker 5: could have been wide open, like holy crap, what am
Speaker 5: I looking that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like I said, it was surreal
Speaker 1: and everything went into like slow motion and it just
Speaker 1: didn't feel it didn't feel real. It didn't.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure it didn't. Yeah, I don't doubt that
Speaker 3: at all. How far was he standing from your radio,
Speaker 3: the radio where you said you were listening to the
Speaker 3: Yankees game?
Speaker 1: How far was I from the radio? Now?
Speaker 3: How far was the dog man at that point when
Speaker 3: it turned and looked at you with that shocked expression?
Speaker 3: How far was he standing from your radio?
Speaker 1: From my radio to where he was has to be
Speaker 1: minimum of sixty seventy.
Speaker 3: Feet sixty seventy feet And it wasn't all that windy
Speaker 3: out that night. Was it pretty calm?
Speaker 1: You know? It was. It was a calm night. It
Speaker 1: was just overcast and dark, you know, And I had
Speaker 1: the game on, but I didn't, you know, it wasn't
Speaker 1: like I had the blasting. I just because my neighbors
Speaker 1: are so close to me. I have neighbors on either
Speaker 1: side of me, and one of them is an older
Speaker 1: gentleman and the other couple are young kids. They just
Speaker 1: moved in and they both worked, so I didn't. I mean,
Speaker 1: it wasn't late, it was only like nine o'clock. But
Speaker 1: I didn't have the I didn't have the radio allowed.
Speaker 1: You know. It wasn't like I was listening to, you know,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Andrews playing the Star Spangled Batner or something. You know.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, and I understand. Yeah, you're a nice guy,
Speaker 3: and I wouldn't expect you to have it blasting. But
Speaker 3: considering how keen they're hearing is, I'm surprised he didn't
Speaker 3: hear it even though he was that far away. But
Speaker 3: then again, he probably was so focused on that swamp kitty.
Speaker 3: The raccoon that he didn't pay it any attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sound like the trick when I tell you,
Speaker 1: it sound like two bulldozers coming down the woods, just
Speaker 1: trash into the woods. I was like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: And this thing was screaming at the top of its lungs.
Speaker 1: I'd never heard a scream like that before. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what it was. That's why I got up to
Speaker 1: start walking over to see what it was, because, you know,
Speaker 1: I thought maybe the black bear was chasing one of
Speaker 1: my wife's cats or something, you know, And so then
Speaker 1: I would have put around up into the trees to
Speaker 1: scare it away. But never I never heard a raccoon
Speaker 1: make that kind of noise before, you know. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't really making any noise. It wasn't growling, it wasn't howling,
Speaker 1: it wasn't whooping. It was just chasing, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like it was just locked on that raccoon.
Speaker 3: That would explain a lot, it really would, you said,
Speaker 3: the dog me and went up the hill in a
Speaker 3: serpentine fashion. When they did that, though, did it look
Speaker 3: awkward or did it look like it had done that before?
Speaker 1: No, it looked it looked very natural vic It looked
Speaker 1: like it was natural. Like I said, I don't know
Speaker 1: if it was. I know it was leaning forward, so
Speaker 1: I don't if it was using its arms to pull
Speaker 1: itself up off up the hill as well, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. But it never went down to all fours,
Speaker 1: you know, like a dog. It didn't look like a
Speaker 1: dog runner And it was serpentine. And that's what really
Speaker 1: I think one in anything. When I came in the house,
Speaker 1: I couldn't get passed that the thought of seeing it
Speaker 1: do that. I was just dumbfounded by the fact that
Speaker 1: it's serpentined up the hill. You know, to me, that
Speaker 1: just rings intelligence, Like what kind of intelligence does this
Speaker 1: creature have that it knew the shotgun was a gun
Speaker 1: and the best way to get away from it is
Speaker 1: to serpentine and stay low.
Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately they're too smart for their own good. That's
Speaker 3: a given there.
Speaker 1: They're probably other than us, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, do you have any
Speaker 3: concerns about reprisals now that dog man saw you wreck
Speaker 3: that shotgun?
Speaker 1: No, because you know I never I never pointed to gun.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess I did have the gun point at
Speaker 4: that because I had the flesh light pointed at and
Speaker 4: that was at the end of the gun. But I
Speaker 4: never pulled the trigger, you know what I mean, not
Speaker 4: even as it was running away. It didn't blast one
Speaker 4: over its head or anything like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I never pulled the trigger, Like I said, Vic,
Speaker 1: The thought never crossed my mind to chamber around it.
Speaker 1: Just my arm just did it on its own. I
Speaker 1: just don't know what made my arm do that. It
Speaker 1: must have been a fight or flight kind of thing,
Speaker 1: I guess. I don't know, man muscle memory. I don't
Speaker 1: know why I did it because I wasn't thinking about
Speaker 1: shooting the creature.
Speaker 3: Oh sure you your mind was on autopilot, so you
Speaker 3: can't be folded for anything like.
Speaker 1: That that you did.
Speaker 3: You had another experience last fall, Please tell us spot it.
Speaker 1: Okay. My cousin Sean and I went to my sacred
Speaker 1: site for an investigation. It was that particular day it
Speaker 1: was I believe it was Halloween or it was two
Speaker 1: maybe it was two falls ago. I don't remember exactly,
Speaker 1: but it was. I think it was Halloween and it
Speaker 1: was a full moon, and I think there was either
Speaker 1: a solar eclipse that day or a lunar eclipse. I
Speaker 1: don't remember, but I remember there was a full moon
Speaker 1: that night, and normally I wrote a roll down because
Speaker 1: so much crap happened. But normally when we go to
Speaker 1: the Sacred Site, I'm there for the sasquatches or anything
Speaker 1: that may come in, because my Sacca claims that the
Speaker 1: Sacred Site is a interdimensional doorway and everything comes through.
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm basically up there measuring, doing all
Speaker 1: kinds of measurements with frequency and vibration and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I'm not really there for photographs or video or anything
Speaker 1: like that, you know. I mean, I got all the
Speaker 1: stuff going, but I'm there more as a research to
Speaker 1: see how the energy changes on nights like that when
Speaker 1: there's a solar eclipse and a full moon and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And then I like to incorporate stuff in
Speaker 1: to see how me incorporating stuff in makes the energies
Speaker 1: change as well. But anyway, it's three mile hike in
Speaker 1: and then a mile a mile hike straight up the
Speaker 1: mount off trail, and whenever I go, I never ever
Speaker 1: think about the dog Man on the east side of
Speaker 1: the woods. At the dog Man then, because I'm not
Speaker 1: there for the dog Man. I have a deal with
Speaker 1: the dog Man. You stay at your house, I'll stay
Speaker 1: at mine. We've made that agreement. It's been five years now.
Speaker 1: I think we haven't invented each other's locations. So anyway,
Speaker 1: we're going up the hill and we're off trail, and
Speaker 1: as I'm going up the mountain, the thought crosses my mind,
Speaker 1: I wonder if that dog Man is still in that
Speaker 1: if they're still using that den on the other side
Speaker 1: of the woods. I don't know why crossed my mind.
Speaker 1: I don't know why that thought came in my mind.
Speaker 1: I never think of the dog Man when I'm at
Speaker 1: the Sasquash location, but that particular day that happened. On
Speaker 1: the way up the mountain. We get to the top
Speaker 1: of the mountain, we drop our packs. We got everything
Speaker 1: in our packs. We don't even get started, and the
Speaker 1: dog Man screams from the other side of the woods.
Speaker 1: He lets out a screen that was so intense that
Speaker 1: my cousin and I are fumbling for our phones to
Speaker 1: record it because that's the only thing we have to
Speaker 1: record because everything is still in our backpacks. We just
Speaker 1: literally got there, and as we're recording him screaming, a
Speaker 1: pack of coyotes go off, and it's a big pack.
Speaker 1: If sounds like there's thirty of them in the pack.
Speaker 1: And the coyotes go off, and in the middle of
Speaker 1: all of the coyotes going off, the dog man goes
Speaker 1: off again. And you can hear him in the middle
Speaker 1: of all of them, because he's much louder and deeper
Speaker 1: than the coyotes. And I turned to my cousin and
Speaker 1: I said, he just let me know that he's still there.
Speaker 1: I told my cousin, said, Sean, I had this thought
Speaker 1: on the way up. I said, I don't know why
Speaker 1: I had it, but no, sooner did we get to
Speaker 1: the high plateau with the Sacred Side, is he goes off.
Speaker 1: I said, I'm telling you that that was for me.
Speaker 1: He's letting me know, Yeah, I'm still here. Don't come
Speaker 1: to my den tonight. So we hunkered down the coyotes
Speaker 1: CD and I got the recording, I think, I said
Speaker 1: to tell you, and we hunk it down and we
Speaker 1: do all our stuff and we're we're really into it,
Speaker 1: and it's you know, the full moon has got me
Speaker 1: all amped up and I don't want to go home.
Speaker 1: I got to be honest, which I probably wasn't left
Speaker 1: until dawned because I was so wound up with the
Speaker 1: energy from the full moon. And my cousin showing his
Speaker 1: freezing his butt off. He's a skinny little kid, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean he's tall, he's like six', five but he's,
Speaker 1: skinny and he's, like, yo CAUs can we? Go i'm?
Speaker 1: Freezing AND i just started to. LAUGHING i was, like,
Speaker 1: yeah of course we could. Go we've been in the
Speaker 1: woods for like twelve. Hours we could, go no. Problem
Speaker 1: and we pack up our. Stuff and it was funny
Speaker 1: because right after the dog man went, off my cousin
Speaker 1: said to, me my cousin has never experienced the dog
Speaker 1: man or anything like that, before and he, says do
Speaker 1: we have to worry about him coming up? Here AND
Speaker 1: i was, like, no this is the sad squatch part
Speaker 1: of the. Woods the dog man doesn't come up. Here
Speaker 1: AND i don't think AND i don't know if The
Speaker 1: bigfoots go to the Dog man's side of the, woods
Speaker 1: BUT i don't think we have to worry about him
Speaker 1: coming up, here you. Know and we were there for
Speaker 1: like twelve, hours and you, know we never had any
Speaker 1: dog being. Experience after the. Screams so we pack up
Speaker 1: all our. Gear it's two thirty in the morning, whatever
Speaker 1: and we start hiking out and we get down off
Speaker 1: of the high. Plateaul we get back onto The Appalachian
Speaker 1: trail and we're on a little, hill maybe a fifty
Speaker 1: foot hill on a forty five degree. Angle and we get,
Speaker 1: there and now we're on The we're on the appalation
Speaker 1: shell and we start to hike out along the. Lake
Speaker 1: there's a fifty two acre lake, there and we start
Speaker 1: to hike out along the lake and it's part of
Speaker 1: the trail is like a goat. Trail it's really, sketchy
Speaker 1: it's really. Dangerous and no sooner do we come down
Speaker 1: off that little, hill AND i mean literally hit the
Speaker 1: bottom of that hill and we start to go straight
Speaker 1: along the. Lake the dog man is there behind, us
Speaker 1: and he screams. AGAIN i mean he screams so. Loud
Speaker 1: Now i'm in front Of. SEAN i got a big
Speaker 1: fifty pound pack on my. Back sean's got a fifty
Speaker 1: pound pack on his, back and this scream goes Through
Speaker 1: sean through his. Backpack throw my backpack and throw. ME
Speaker 1: i turn around AND i look At sean and his
Speaker 1: eyes are as big as. Sauces and he looks at
Speaker 1: me and he, goes dog. MAN i, go dog, man
Speaker 1: and he. TURNS i, said let's turn. Around let's look for.
Speaker 1: It we got very high powered headlamps. On they shoot
Speaker 1: like seven hundred. Feet they're, very very, powerful and they
Speaker 1: go from flood to. Spot SO i, said turn you
Speaker 1: headlamp on. Flood let's get as much light as we
Speaker 1: can on the. Area now we both are looking at
Speaker 1: the top of that little hill right where we came
Speaker 1: down off of the high, plateau because that's where we
Speaker 1: felt the screen come. From this little hill is no
Speaker 1: further than fifty feet away from. Us if this dog
Speaker 1: man wanted, to he could have jumped off that hill
Speaker 1: and took us boat. Down but instead he, screamed and
Speaker 1: we're looking and we don't see, anything and we're looking
Speaker 1: on the side of the. Mountain maybe he jumped off
Speaker 1: the side of the mountain and he's hiding in a.
Speaker 1: Crevice we don't see. Anything, well there's up here in the.
Speaker 1: Northeast we have these ancient stone walls that run in
Speaker 1: all different directions that people claim that their property. Markers
Speaker 1: BUT i don't think, so because sometimes they run parallel
Speaker 1: to one another ten feet, apart AND i don't know
Speaker 1: who would build these walls like that at two from.
Speaker 1: Parallel but we're looking at the wall up, there and
Speaker 1: you know mcause the shun, says do you want to
Speaker 1: go up and? See And i'm, like absolutely. NOT i
Speaker 1: have no desire to go up there and look for
Speaker 1: the dog. Man you, Know i'm not going up there.
Speaker 1: Now the thought never crossed me my mind at the.
Speaker 1: Time BUT i did have another researcher say to, me
Speaker 1: at what makes you think the dog man? Left maybe
Speaker 1: he just went into like an is a busily cloath
Speaker 1: and he was still there watching. You and that thought
Speaker 1: never crossed my mind at that. Time you, KNOW i
Speaker 1: thought he was hiding from, Us So i'm not going
Speaker 1: up the hill looking for. Him SO i thought it Was,
Speaker 1: sean come, on we're gonna hike out of. Here we
Speaker 1: got to get to The we got to get to
Speaker 1: the mining. Road the mining road is the only way,
Speaker 1: out and WE i told, HIM i, said we're not
Speaker 1: going to stop tonight for any any uh, breaks for
Speaker 1: water or bathroom, breaks BECAUSE i don't want him flanking
Speaker 1: us and then us having to fight our way out of.
Speaker 1: Here there's only one way. Out let just keep. Moving
Speaker 1: now we're four miles in and the car is another
Speaker 1: half a mile away from the front of the. Park and,
Speaker 1: uh and she Wanted my cousin was, like, listen cause
Speaker 1: if you have to take that pack off your back
Speaker 1: given to, Me i'll carry it for. You he's twenty years,
Speaker 1: old you, know as strong as our. Ox AND i was, like, no,
Speaker 1: NO i THINK i. THINK i Know i'm old and broken,
Speaker 1: down BUT i THINK i can do it. Right and
Speaker 1: we hike, out and we hike, out and we can
Speaker 1: feel the door man behind. Us we can feel, him
Speaker 1: feel his energy pushing us. Out AND i don't like
Speaker 1: the feeling of him pushing us out BECAUSE i don't
Speaker 1: know where he. Is And showing is a very sensitive kid,
Speaker 1: too he has abilities and he can feel it, Too
Speaker 1: AND i said to, him you better pull your machete.
Speaker 1: OUT i don't like the fact that it's behind us
Speaker 1: and it's pushing us. Out so we pulled out our
Speaker 1: machetes and we're walking with, arms and we got our
Speaker 1: head lamps on and we have ten inch survival nins
Speaker 1: and we have pepper spray and. Stuff but the machete
Speaker 1: is our main, weapon and we're. Hiking we make it
Speaker 1: to the mining. Road we're hiking out and we get
Speaker 1: to the mining, road and there's where the mouth of
Speaker 1: the lake. Starts is usually where the sasquatch hurt us out,
Speaker 1: to and then they turn around and go. BACK i
Speaker 1: don't know if this if the dogman is going to
Speaker 1: do the same, thing if he's going to turn around
Speaker 1: at the mouth of the lake or. Not but from
Speaker 1: the mouth of the lake to the, car we're still
Speaker 1: a mile and a half. Away it's still a, walk you.
Speaker 1: Know so as we're. Walking as we're, walking we got
Speaker 1: our head lamps, on we got our heads on the.
Speaker 1: Swivel and at one POINT i see yellow eyeshine at
Speaker 1: the two o'clock at the two o'clock, hour it's to my.
Speaker 1: RIGHT i, Say, sean what do you see at the
Speaker 1: two o'clock? Hour and you're, right he, SAYS i see yellow.
Speaker 1: Eyeshine i'm, like oh, man this is no, good you. Know,
Speaker 1: Now i'm thinking this thing is going to come, out
Speaker 1: and it's already flanked, us and it's ahead of, us.
Speaker 2: And now we're going to have to fight our way
Speaker 2: out of, here you. Know so again pull out our,
Speaker 2: machetes and he, goes, well maybe it's just a. DEER i, said,
Speaker 2: well we'll find out the closer we, get because the
Speaker 2: closer we get to, it if it's a, deer it'll
Speaker 2: turn and run.
Speaker 1: Away you, know it'll high tail its way out. Here you,
Speaker 1: go see the white tail go up and run. Away,
Speaker 1: well we're getting closer and. Closer this thing is not,
Speaker 1: moving and it's pretty. TALL i, mean like the eye
Speaker 1: shed is a it's six feet. Tall And i'm, like,
Speaker 1: man this is the. Biggest if this is a, deer
Speaker 1: it's the biggest Deer i've ever. Seen and then all
Speaker 1: of a, sudden the eye shine starts moving out towards,
Speaker 1: us towards the towards the mining, road and he's comes
Speaker 1: out on the mining road AND i stop, showing AND
Speaker 1: i was, like we, stop and this giant buck is
Speaker 1: standing in front of us with these yellow eyes and
Speaker 1: he's got the biggest set of horns on it you
Speaker 1: ever seen in your. Life and it's standing in front
Speaker 1: of us and it looks like a super. Deer it's
Speaker 1: the biggest DEER i ever seen in my. Life and
Speaker 1: it's looking at us and we're looking at, it and
Speaker 1: the look in its eyes is like it wants to
Speaker 1: tell us. Something And i'm telling you vic something, happened
Speaker 1: because at that, moment we forgot all about the dog
Speaker 1: man behind, us and we're trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: this creature in front of us. Is Number, one is
Speaker 1: it really a? Deer are we looking at an alien
Speaker 1: putting the deer image in our? Minds what are we
Speaker 1: dealing with? Here you, know it's not a deer because
Speaker 1: it didn't run. Away it Ran it came out towards.
Speaker 1: Us so we're looking and we're. Laughing me And sean
Speaker 1: are laughing, hysterical like what is this because it feels
Speaker 1: like it's trying to talk to us, telepathically but we're
Speaker 1: not tuned into its. Frequency neither one of us are
Speaker 1: picking it. Up SO i, said, looks keep, walking you,
Speaker 1: know maybe it'll. Move and as we start, walking it
Speaker 1: moves past us because on the other side of the,
Speaker 1: road like it's going to go up the trail in
Speaker 1: the east in different. Direction then it stops and it
Speaker 1: comes back out like it's forgot to tell us. Something
Speaker 1: and it's like And i'm literally two feet away FROM
Speaker 1: i could pet its, nose and we're looking at this,
Speaker 1: thing AND i can't tell you how strange. Is SO
Speaker 1: i can't emphasize how strange this is Because sean AND
Speaker 1: i went from worrying about the dog man following us
Speaker 1: out to this, thing, laughing, hysterical not trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what this thing. Is so eventually it moves. On
Speaker 1: we get to the, Car we call my psychic. Immediately
Speaker 1: as soon as we get to the car two thirty
Speaker 1: in the, morning three, O'CLOCK i wake her. UP i was,
Speaker 1: LIKE i explained to her what, happened and she tells
Speaker 1: me it wasn't a. Deer it was a guardian of the,
Speaker 1: woods and it was there to let you guys pass
Speaker 1: and to turn that dog man. Around AND i was, like,
Speaker 1: well what was, it because if it was just a
Speaker 1: flesh and blood big, Buck i'm sure that dog man
Speaker 1: could have tore her. Apart and she, said, al because
Speaker 1: you've seen a big buck doesn't mean it was the
Speaker 1: same thing the dog man was. Saying she was, All
Speaker 1: i'm telling, you it was a guardian of the woods
Speaker 1: and it was. Dead let you, pass and you guys.
Speaker 1: Passed and we went home and we talked about it
Speaker 1: the whole ride, home and it was just the craziest
Speaker 1: night in the. World and we found we actually, found
Speaker 1: uh sat watch a nest up in the woods that.
Speaker 1: NIGHT i think that was the reason why we were
Speaker 1: supposed to be there and, uh but that proof to
Speaker 1: me that that dog man is still in that still
Speaker 1: using that den in the swamp on the east side
Speaker 1: of the. Woods and NOW i know WHEN i go back,
Speaker 1: THERE i don't go to the east side of the.
Speaker 1: WOODS i stay on the west side because NOW i,
Speaker 1: know BECAUSE i BECAUSE i got to be honest with,
Speaker 1: you my curiosity was kind of driving me to go
Speaker 1: back to the den to see if it was still being,
Speaker 1: used you, know BUT i WAS i was hesitant BECAUSE
Speaker 1: i didn't want it coming back to my. House but
Speaker 1: NOW i know it's still, THERE i don't have to
Speaker 1: go to the. Den and that was just a crazy.
Speaker 1: Night And sean was, like he'll never forget that. Night
Speaker 1: that was just. Crazy and we both got the, recording
Speaker 1: so he says he'll have that for the rest of
Speaker 1: his life. Now so it was a wild. Night it's
Speaker 1: just absolutely.
Speaker 3: Insane, Oh i'm sure he won't forget. That did he
Speaker 3: ever put the heat on you to take him back?
Speaker 1: There sean has been back there with me before that.
Speaker 1: Experience he had been back there with me three or
Speaker 1: four times. Already so we've experienced a lot of crazy stuff,
Speaker 1: there from skinwalkers to wind, degoes to, rakes to, aliens
Speaker 1: you name, that we've experienced it at that. Location and
Speaker 1: he's experienced everything with. Me we've gone two haunted houses
Speaker 1: together and done, investigations and we've had spirits run through
Speaker 1: me then run through, him and you, know he freaked
Speaker 1: out the first time the spirit ran through. Him it was,
Speaker 1: Like oh my, God i'm just ran through you. Know
Speaker 1: And i'm laughing hysterical because that it's just gone through,
Speaker 1: ME i. Know and he experienced a lot with, me
Speaker 1: but it is what he experienced it in a few
Speaker 1: short years of hanging out with, me he experienced a
Speaker 1: lifetime of paramormal.
Speaker 3: Activity it sure sounds like he. Has, yeah you've had
Speaker 3: so many experiences. There how do you find out about
Speaker 3: the sacred site in where it was?
Speaker 1: Located, well ORIGINALLY i had been taking my dog there for,
Speaker 1: years hiking The Appalachian trail with my son when my
Speaker 1: son was small and the dog was. Young it was
Speaker 1: just a nice place to go for a day. Hike you.
Speaker 1: Know and then one DAY i heard my neighbors talking
Speaker 1: to a couple of local guys who were coon, hunters
Speaker 1: and they were talking about they were there one night
Speaker 1: coon hunting and they had a couple of redbone hounds
Speaker 1: and they were out there on coon hunting off The
Speaker 1: Appalachian trail because technically you can't hunt on the park
Speaker 1: because it's a federal. Park you can hunt off The Appllation.
Speaker 1: Trail and they were having rocks thrown at, him thinking
Speaker 1: it was kids partying in the, woods you, know and
Speaker 1: they told that they would they they thought they were
Speaker 1: talking to, kids, saying, hey if you, know stop throwing
Speaker 1: rocks at, us we're gonna send sick the dogs on.
Speaker 1: You and the rocks kept, coming so they sicked the
Speaker 1: dogs on, him but the dogs went like halfway turned
Speaker 1: around and ran back past, them you. Know and when
Speaker 1: another rock came, out one of the guys put around
Speaker 1: into the tree and he, said like seven foot sasquatch
Speaker 1: stepped out and screamed at. Him AND i heard this,
Speaker 1: story you, know BECAUSE i was over my neighbors talking
Speaker 1: to him when they came over to tell him the,
Speaker 1: story because you, know everybody up here as the big,
Speaker 1: hunters you, know And i'm. Listening i'm just he's dropping
Speaker 1: to be honest with, you and you tell me where it.
Speaker 1: Is so THEN i started researching the, location and you,
Speaker 1: know there was a lot of bigfoot experiences off The
Speaker 1: Appalation trail, there AND i was, like, WELL i got
Speaker 1: to go there and start. Investigating and then hearing all
Speaker 1: kinds of stories about UFOs and balls of light and
Speaker 1: all kinds of. Stuff and one thing led to, Another
Speaker 1: and howd a woman come over From? England she was
Speaker 1: a podcaster or, something and she was up here for
Speaker 1: The Pine Bush Ufo fair and she's staying at a
Speaker 1: friend of mine's house and she was, like how you
Speaker 1: got to bring me to this. LOCATE i want to
Speaker 1: see the sasquatch struct and we don't have sasquatches In.
Speaker 1: England show me a. Structure SO i, said. Okay so
Speaker 1: one day after the fair was, over we went out
Speaker 1: to the woods. Hiking and we had to drought that,
Speaker 1: summer so we were lucky enough to be able to
Speaker 1: go into. It it was usually, swamping you, know. Swamp
Speaker 1: it was all right out AND i was showing her
Speaker 1: this is a junior structure done by a juvenile and
Speaker 1: you can see how this is being, made and you
Speaker 1: can see here next to it is an adult, structure
Speaker 1: and the juveniles are counting the. Adults and the funny
Speaker 1: thing is the camera guy is. Filming he puts his
Speaker 1: camera down on a log to get out the mosquito,
Speaker 1: repellent and we're all talking about the mosquitoes eating us.
Speaker 1: Alive and we got a class A evp calling my cameraman's,
Speaker 1: name not, once but, twice and which freaked him. Out
Speaker 1: and it was a woman's voice. Too so then we
Speaker 1: were walking along and we're walking north up The Palatian,
Speaker 1: trail and there was a fire in the woods the
Speaker 1: winter before and all the all the woods was burnt.
Speaker 1: Out and AS i was, Looking i've seen what looked
Speaker 1: like a stone carrying up on the. Woods SO i
Speaker 1: told the Cameraman billy, said zoom in on, that what's
Speaker 1: that up? There you? Know because we had find these
Speaker 1: little stone carrons built on like, cliffs like you would
Speaker 1: have to be a billy goat to get up. There
Speaker 1: and we're, like who's building these little stone karrons up
Speaker 1: in these locations that you can't get? To first TIME
Speaker 1: i seen It it freaked me. OUT i thought it
Speaker 1: was Like, blair which kind of, stuff you. Know and
Speaker 1: THEN i did some research AND i seen that their
Speaker 1: karns it and THEN i NOTICED i started, researching and
Speaker 1: the bigfoots make them. Too so we've seen this look
Speaker 1: like a stone structure up on top of the. Mountain
Speaker 1: SO i, said we got to get up. There and
Speaker 1: the camera, man it's, like how we going to get up,
Speaker 1: there it's all burnt, out it's all. TRUCKOL i go follow.
Speaker 1: ME i pulled out MY macheti AND i chopped my
Speaker 1: way up the top of the. Hill and WHEN i
Speaker 1: got to the top of the, hill open top to
Speaker 1: a flat, plateau big plateau which had brakes and bends
Speaker 1: and arches and twists and all kinds of. Stuff and
Speaker 1: we filmed. Everything and it's got these megallithic structures set
Speaker 1: up in a giant, circle what hundreds hundreds of little
Speaker 1: stones on top of the megallithic, stones you, Know and
Speaker 1: it was just the energy of the location was just so.
Speaker 1: Calming there was an archway at this. Location And i'm
Speaker 1: not a kind of guy that can camp out under the.
Speaker 1: Stars it's just a sleeping, bag you. KNOW i need a. Tent,
Speaker 1: well that energy at that location was so good THAT
Speaker 1: i felt like IF i slept underneath that, arch nothing
Speaker 1: would happen to me because the energy was so good,
Speaker 1: there you, Know and that's how we found it by.
Speaker 3: Chance, wow here you're taking your dog there for.
Speaker 1: WALKS i walked past that far at the mountain a
Speaker 1: million times with the dog because you couldn't see. Anything was,
Speaker 1: all you, know foliage all the way. Up but apparently
Speaker 1: somebody must lit a fire or there was a lightning
Speaker 1: strike or, something but all the woods burnt, out and
Speaker 1: it was like, dada, look which you. Know and IF
Speaker 1: i didn't see that little stone, STRUCTURED i looked like A.
Speaker 1: Cameron to, ME i would have never even gave it
Speaker 1: a second. Thought to find that high plateau was just.
Speaker 1: Amazing and then to the west of the plateau is
Speaker 1: a high ridge, line you. Know AND i made a
Speaker 1: deal with The saasquatches THAT i would never go up
Speaker 1: the ridge if they come down to see, mean and
Speaker 1: they have been every TIME i go up, there they
Speaker 1: come down to see, me you. Know SO i just
Speaker 1: went up there list two years ago With sean for
Speaker 1: the first time BECAUSE i had a telepathic communication with
Speaker 1: a White sasasquatch Called alak who claims to be like
Speaker 1: a shaman or king, shaman an elder or. Something and
Speaker 1: he was waving me up the hill AND i was, like,
Speaker 1: NO i can't go up the. HILL i made a
Speaker 1: pack with the klan THAT i won't go up to.
Speaker 1: Hill and this is, there you, know up to this
Speaker 1: ridge brings us over to their to their home. Range
Speaker 1: and Ali reck was waving me, up waving, me waving me.
Speaker 1: Up SO i talked to my psychic and she, said
Speaker 1: all of Al reck is waving you, up you got
Speaker 1: to go up because she lives In. Arkansas and he
Speaker 1: went to her as, well and then he went To
Speaker 1: Chris reinhardt In. Connecticut So chris seen, HIM i seen,
Speaker 1: him and my psychic seeing. Him so THEN i went
Speaker 1: up the hill With sean and we found all these,
Speaker 1: dens Not den's, nest but they were set up Vic
Speaker 1: the way they were set up was like. Foxholes they
Speaker 1: were set up very. Strategically there wasn't one nest in
Speaker 1: the way of another. One you could see east and
Speaker 1: west without anything in your, way even if there Were
Speaker 1: sasquatches in the nests in front of you or behind.
Speaker 1: You they were set up like. Foxholes they were very,
Speaker 1: strategic set, up very, strategic and THAT'S i guess that's
Speaker 1: what we were up there for that particular. Night, yeah that's.
Speaker 3: Amazing all those times walking right pasted it and you
Speaker 3: never would have known what was. There i'm glad you
Speaker 3: did find out, Though thank goodness for. That sounds like
Speaker 3: a magical, PLACE.
Speaker 1: I, said as it really. Is, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure sounds like. It, Well, al we're out of time
Speaker 3: before we get out of. HERE i just want to
Speaker 3: thank you so much for coming back on as. ALWAYS
Speaker 3: i really do appreciate, it and it kind of makes
Speaker 3: me wonder where do we go from? Here what's?
Speaker 1: Next Oh, GOD i don't. KNOW i do plan on
Speaker 1: getting back out into the woods when the woods dries
Speaker 1: out a little. Bit we've been getting a lot of you,
Speaker 1: know may rain up here right. Now, so LIKE i,
Speaker 1: said those stones and it gets you, know we go
Speaker 1: For you go from a nice wide mining road to
Speaker 1: like This Appalachian goat, trail which is very very. Sketchy
Speaker 1: when the rocks are, wet it is dangerous and you
Speaker 1: go down on those, rocks you'll crack your head. Open
Speaker 1: you'll need to be airlifted out of, there So i'm
Speaker 1: waiting for everything to dry out a little bit BEFORE
Speaker 1: i head back. In i'm as young AS i used to,
Speaker 1: be you know WHAT i.
Speaker 3: Mean on neither one of us ARE i, understand and
Speaker 3: then it'll be hot and drive for you know, it
Speaker 3: so you shouldn't have to wait. Long but having said,
Speaker 3: that thanks again so much for coming. ON i really
Speaker 3: do appreciate, it and have a great.
Speaker 1: Night