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good possibility you've listened to tonight's guests come on and

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talk about his prior experiences with dog men. Well, as

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you might have noticed, some people seem to be magnets

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for these things, and tonight's guest would definitely fit into

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that category. Well, as fate would have it, he had

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another encounter earlier this weekend. That's what he's come back

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to tell us about tonight. Of course, I'm talking about

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Al sant Riga. Al, thanks so much for coming back.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me Vic.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you're welcome. No, anytime I get an opportunity to

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bring you on, I jump at it. So yeah, glad

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to do it now. As you know, too much of

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anything is normally a bad thing. Look at what happened

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with Dobermans. For example, in the seventies, there was this

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craze where all these people wanted to get Doberman's. Well

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what comes along with that. You had all these backyard

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breeders breeding them. Well, next thing you know, you've got

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all these unstable dogs running around biting people and all that. Well,

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talking about the whole dogma phenomenon, this dogmiath thing is

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really grown wings and taken off. What are your thoughts

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on that? Do you see that is a good thing

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or a bad thing?

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Speaker 1: I think it's a double edged sword, to be honest.

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I think it's a good thing that more people are

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aware of what's out there. I think it's a bad

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thing because of COVID. Everybody and their mother are podcasters now,

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and not everybody's as professional as you, And I think

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people are just looking for content, and I think people

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are making stuff up just to get on the radio.

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And you're getting a lot of bad intel on these creatures,

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you know what I mean. And there's a lot of

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people giving their professional opinion and stating they should do this,

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that and the other thing, when I think their opinion

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is one hundred percent wrong and they should stay in

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their lanes. But you know, I'm just one man. That's

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just one man's opinion.

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Speaker 3: Well that's not just one man's opinion. I agree with

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pretty much everything you said. There are a lot of

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people making creepy pasta that they present as being true stories,

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which it's no secret I hate that, think it's a

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horrible idea. But what you talked about the people who

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are putting out information, putting out opinions, I should say,

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but they're treating them like their fact when it comes

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to advice on how to handle a dog man encounter,

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putting out bad info about dog men that might get

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someone killed. I've got a big problem with that as well.

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And you touched on that just a moment ago all

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the other stuff, it kind of ruffles my feathers. But

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when people are putting out info that could quite possibly

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get someone ended about these guys about dogmen, I have

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a big problem with that. What do you think is

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the biggest lie that's being spread about these guys that

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might cause that to happen, might cause a person to

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be ended.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, My personal opinion, again just one man's opinion,

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is that I think there are so many people out

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there doing podcasts and a lot of them being invited

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to some poseums and presentations, and they're all claiming that

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these creatures are bloodthirsty killers and they're not I've had

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so many encounters with them, so many different locations. If

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that was the case, I would be dead ten times

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over already, you know what I mean. So, no, they're

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not bloodthirsty killers. And no, you shouldn't shoot at these

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creatures when you see them in the woods because you're scared.

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You should just walk away, you know, and let them

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do what they're doing, and you go on and you

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do your own thing. But they're not all bloodthirsty kills.

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If that was the case, there would be so many

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more hikers missing and investigators found dead in the woods.

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Speaker 3: I think you hit it on the head, but you know,

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it is fear cells when these people make up these

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fake stories that they present as being true ones. Yeah,

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every time you turn the it's about this mindless dog

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man that's going to rip you a part. As soon

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as the opportunity presents itself. That sells, I get it.

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But what they don't think about, or don't care about,

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is the fact that you've got so many of these

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eyewitnesses who've had encounters, real encounters with these guys that

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they're barely able to deal with. Some can't deal with

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their encounters. They listen to this crap think they're true stories,

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and then now they're having an even harder time dealing

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with their encounters. That's where I come in. I have

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to talk them off the ledge and try to help

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them understand that no, this didn't happen. That didn't happen.

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So yeah, it's not a victimless deal here. There's definite

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blowback to that. And you know, I haven't hidden the

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fact that I'm really frustrated by it. I really am.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Oh definitely. But it seems like also what comes along

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with this popularity increase, You've got so many people who

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are heading out into the woods that want to be

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quote unquote dog mean investigators. Well you're a dogman investigator,

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a well tenured one. What are your thoughts on that?

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Speaker 1: I say, don't go into the woods looking for these things.

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That's what I tell everybody when people ask me, where

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do I have to go to find them? Or what

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do I need to do when I when I where

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do I what I need to do to bring them in?

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Or what do I need to have on me to predict? Say?

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Tell them the same thing all the time. Don't go

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looking for these things. Be careful what you wish for.

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These things are not cuddly little puppies that you can

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play with, little balls of fur. No, these are alpha

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predators and if they're in the woods hunting, they're hungry.

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The last thing they want to do is be bothered

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by you. You don't want to get on one's wrong side,

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you know. And like I said, they're not all bloodthirsty killers.

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But it doesn't take much to piss something off that's

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looking to hunt and feed itself or it's family. And

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then you're in this way, you know what a fake

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calls to bring it in and a spotlight to blind

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it or something, you know what I mean. Yeah, you

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could rub one the wrong way very easily, and then

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things could get bad very quickly. You know. I tell people,

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don't go I don't go out looking for these things anymore.

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I know where they are. I don't go where they are.

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I go in the opposite direction. If we happen to

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cross paths, we cross paths. But that's it. You know,

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there's really no reason to be searching for these creatures.

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They there should be left alone, you know, just leave

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them alone and let them live and let live, you know,

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to sas squatch, the whole different animal sasquatches, a much

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more non aggressive still you know, an alpha predator, but

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much more less aggressive. Where the bigfoot sees you, it

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turns and it walks back the way he came. It

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doesn't want to deal with us. It knows we're nothing

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but trouble. But a dog man tends to get off

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on feeding off of our fears and scaring us. Another

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thing that irks me is just again it's one man's opinion.

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When people say, oh, I've seen the dog man and

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he smiled at me. I don't think it was a smile.

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I don't believe the dog man is smiling at you.

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I think he's showing you his teeth to let you

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know that if he wants you, he can take you

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at any given time. It's not a smile. Well, don't

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smile and wave back, don't take his picture. He's not

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smiling at you. That's a warning. That's a warning for

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you to turn and go the other way. With EU

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opinion on that, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think they do actually smile, and eyewitnesses because they're

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so intelligent. I sure do. Because they're so intelligent and

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they know how to push our buttons. I think they

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most definitely do smile that eyewitnesses because they know if

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they smile at us, that's going to push our buttons

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out much more, and they'll do anything they can in

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a lot of cases to get that response out of us.

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So it's my opinion that they actually are smiling at

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us when eyewitnesses say that that's what they experienced.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, you know, like I said, it's one

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man's opinion. You know that your opinion is as good

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as mine, So I just don't see it. But again,

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I don't know how I'll explain it. I mean, I've

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been around dogs my whole life. I trained dogs, and

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I've seen them shell their teeth, you know what I mean,

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And they do look like they're smiling, but absolutely they do,

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but they're not really smiling. They're just warning you to,

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you know, back off. But you could. But again, these

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creatures are so intelligent that it wouldn't surprise me if

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it's smiling at you to freak you out, you know

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what I mean. So it could be a smile. I guess.

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Speaker 3: Well, like you said, I mean, you might be right

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about that. I might be right. Who knows, It's really

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hard to say. I will tell you this though, I

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have had a dog actually smile at me before, and

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it was one of the creepiest things. My cousin this

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was about thirty forty years ago, now, I guess over

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forty years ago. My cousin had a blue tick, I'm sorry,

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a yellow tick. And I went up in petitor. I'd

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never met her before. I was just bending over and

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I was scrunching under her neck, and next thing I know,

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she shows me all of her teeth. But it looked

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different than a dog bearing its teeth. Something about it

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was different. But it was just creepy, freaky looking. So

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I went over to him and I told him about

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what I had just seen, and he said, yeah, that's so.

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reputation for doing that. It's I can't even words, can't

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do it any justice. But it was the freakiest thing

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I've seen she actually did. She moved her up her lips,

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so for a dog, it looked like a smile. Never

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seen that since, but that was just the creepiest thing.

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Speaker 1: Holy cow, Yeah, that's wild. And I've never in all

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the years I've dealt with dogs and stuff, had anything

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like that happened. That's pretty unique. I guess for that,

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maybe for that breed. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. She was wagging her tail and

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clearly happy, just yeah, smiling, I guess you could say.

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And she was looking me right in the eye with

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this kind of wait for your response type look. I

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guess that's the best way you could put it, because

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that's the first thing I did was look into her

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eyes to see what I could see about her mindset,

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and it was just creepy. Holy cow, make the heir

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in your butt stand up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's new to me, that's for sure. Absolutely, So

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maybe I am wrong. I don't I don't want to

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backpedal on what I just said. But nobody knows for sure.

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Speaker 3: That's right, No one does know. If you've had a

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dog mean encounter that you need help dealing with, or

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please go to my Bigfoot Sighting dot com. All right,

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al well, please tell us about this most recent encounter.

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Now give us a relast detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Monday, we had a storm blow through. I live

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in the Hudson Valley in New York State. We had

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a storm blow through. So Tuesday was my day off,

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and I went around the yard and I picked up

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all the sticks and everything that came down off the trees.

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Right now, in my town, we have a non burn

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thing going on. We can't burn during the day. But

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they didn't say anything about fire pits that night. So

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what I did was I picked up all the sticks

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that were in the yard because I wanted to cut

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the grass on Sunday, and I threw them all. I

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threw them all in the fire pit, and I figured,

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you know what, I'll get rid of them tonight. I'll

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do a fire pit. I'll sit outside with the hose

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and listen to the Yankee game and have a beer

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and just chill out, you know. So I did that.

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I was out in the backyard and I was and

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I had my pistol group shot done with me because

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recently we've had black bears coming down out of the

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woods and looking in the back door, and one of

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the bears ripped open my neighbor's retaining wall because he

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had to be hive in it or something, you know.

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And so I'm sitting by the fire pit and I

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don't have my backyard set up yet. It's like I

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do in the summer with the tiki torches and the

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and the bug lamps. And I have an orange lamp

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that I have that sits on the gazebo over the fire,

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over the gas grill. I usually have that on. So

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I'm just sitting out there in dark, and I had

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my shotgun, but my shotgun has one hundred luma flesh

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light on it. The pistol grip has a hundred loum

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of flesh light. And I'm sitting out there listening to

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the game and watching the fire burn. And it was

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around nine o'clock, I would say it was late late

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innings of the game. And I heard all this commotion

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coming down out of the woods behind my house. I

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have one hundred acres of woods that used to be

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all apple orchards, and when the apples fall from the trees,

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we had a lot of deer that come through these woods.

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And I know for a fact we've had big foots

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coming through here well across the street from my house.

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I have one hundred acres of wetlands, so you know,

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I'm pretty used to the sasas watches coming by. But

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later in the year when the apples are on the

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trees and stuff like that. But I'm sitting outside and

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I hear all this commotion in the woods and it

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sounds like two bulldozers were coming down the hill. And

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something is screaming to high heaven, just a scream that

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I've never heard before, and it's something is screaming for

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its life. And I'm sitting in my yard and I

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turned on the flash light because I hear something coming

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down the hill. And my neighbor to the right of me,

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he has a fire pit is in the shape of

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a half octagon. It's all made out of cinder block.

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It's at least six seven feet high. And I'm hearing

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something run up the cement blocks, so I shine the

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light over at the cement blocks to see what's there.

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And I see this raccoon run up this tiny little

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skinny tree, and then right behind it, I see this

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dog man grab the skinny tree and start shaking it.

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At that point, the raccoon jumps over to the next tree,

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which is about the same size, maybe seven inches in

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diameter all the way around. Not big ones, you know, saplings,

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but they're up there. They're up there about I would say,

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twenty five thirty feet tall, you know, even though they're

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skinny and I'm looking at this dog man, it doesn't

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even know I'm there. It's it's totally oblivious to when

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it reaches up to the tree that the raccoon is on,

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and the raccoon is climbing to the top, and it starts.

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It first started to shake the tree, and then it

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grabbed the tree and it started to pull the tree down,

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bending the tree over, almost like in an arch kind

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of shape. So I got up and I walked over

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very quietly. I walked over and when it turned around,

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cause the whole time it was shaking a tree and

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pulling a tree down, it had its back to me.

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But then it turned around to face the raccoon, and

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it was like pulling the tree down hand over hand.

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And at that point it's facing me and it's the

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tree is bent down. I don't know if the creature

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is standing on the ground or if the tree has

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lifted it off the ground, because I'm only seen from

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midwaist up because the wall is so high, and I'm

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looking at this thing and it's pulling, and I'm looking

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at the raccoon, and the raccoon is screaming for its life.

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And I looked back at this creature and the light

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hits it in the eyes, and it's as it's pulling

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this tree down hand over hand. Time has slowed down.

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Vic It's surreal. I can't I can't emphasize that enough.

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It's like time has slowed down. And this thing looks

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at me and subconsciously, I don't know if it's muscle memory.

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I don't know if it's uh, what do you call that?

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Fight or flight? But I cocked the gun and I

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put him around in the chamber. Now, the thought of

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shooting it never crossed my mind. I never had a

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conscious thought of I should put around in the chamber.

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But my arm just cock that gun naturally. I don't

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know where that came from. I wasn't thinking of doing it,

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but it did. And the minute it heard that sound, click, click,

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it looked at me and it let go of the tree.

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And what I thought the tree was going to bounce

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straight back up, the tree never went back up. The

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tree is still bent over in the arch position. And

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I ran over to the fire pit because I heard

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it take off up the woods. And when I ran

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over to the side of the fire pit, I'm in

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my yard, but I'm towards I'm on the back end

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of the fire pit. I'm flashing the flashlight up into

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the woods, and the crazy thing I've ever seen, this

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creature ran directly up, ran directly up the woods north,

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up the woods on two legs, never went down on

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all fours, and it's serpentimed going up the hill. And

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I couldn't get over the fact that this creature was

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surpentime going up the hill. I was like, I can't

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believe because I'm seeing the leaves move from my left

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and I'm hearing I'm hearing all these leaves and sticks break,

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and then it's going to the right and I'm hearing

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sticks and branches break to the right, and I'm seeing

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branches moving. And it did this all the way up

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the hill as far as my one hundred lima fleshlight

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could shine. And I was just dumbfounded by that fact

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that this creature knew what I was doing. When I

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loaded down gun, when I put around in the chamber,

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and it knew enough to run but to serpentine, but

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it never went down to all fours. It ran leaning

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over because it was running up hill. And it may

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have even been using its front arms to pull itself

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up the mountain as it was going that I couldn't tell,

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but it was just mind boggling. And then I looked

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at the raccoon on the on the tree and he's

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just ending here looking at me, screaming like he was

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just shocked. And I walked back to the fire pit

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and I put the fire out, and I think the

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Yankee game was even over at that point. I don't

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you know what I mean, I kind of lost track

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of the game. And I put the fire out. I

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covered the pits so no ashes would blow around or

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any air wind would start the fire back up. And

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I went inside and my wife came out of the

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bedroom and she's like, what's going on out the hair?

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A lot of screaming because she's in the bedroom watching

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TV and the bedroom window faces the backyard so she

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can hear all that. Plus she has all kinds of

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animals out here that she feeds, foxes and deers and birds.

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We have four cats that have heated cat houses. We

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have a skunks, we have possums, we have raccoons, we

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have turkeys during the day. We have everything. And we

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have a black bear now too, apparently. And she came

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out and she said, what was all that noise, you know?

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And I was like, no, it was nothing, you know.

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And I'm unloading the shopgun and she goes, what's wrong

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with you? And I was like, no, nothing's wrong with me.

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You know, I'm okay. And then I did something that

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was totally out of character for me. I went to

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the liquor cabin and I poured a shot whiskey and

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she's like, you're having a shot at Jamison And I go, yeah,

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I feel like a shot at Jamerson, but you never drink.

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And I was like, I feel like a shot, so

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I'm going to have a shot. So I had a

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shot at Jamerson because in my head, I'm still trying

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to wrap my brain around everything that just happened. Meanwhile,

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having a conversation with her, you know, and I don't

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want to tell her what I just experienced because I

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don't want her to be afraid to go into her

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own yard, you know what I mean. And it was

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just it was just so surreal, Like it was like

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the following day, when I got home from work, I

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went over to my neighbor's fire pit, I took pictures

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of it. I took pictures of my fire pit. I

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took pictures of his fire pit to show you what

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I was dealing when I showed took pictures of the

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of the Mosburg Cystol Grip five hundred, and I went

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over to just to look at the fire pit, and

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not thinking that the tree wouldn't be back up the

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way it was when it started today, you know. I

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thought it would be perfectly straight up and down like

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the other sapling that it ran up originally. But the

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tree never went back to its original position. It's higher

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now than it was when the creature was on it

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pulling it down, you know, but it's still in an

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arch position. And I took a picture of it just

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to show you what I was looking at, and like

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the thought never crossed my mind and it would still

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be that way, you know, because it's sapling. I just

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figured it would bounce right back up, spring right back up.

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But I don't know, I guess the torque of the

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weight of this creature pulling it, pulling down on it,

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just destroyed it on the inside. I guess, I don't know.

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It's just mind boggling. And you know, I was talking

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to friends about it and they were like, oh, you

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should have shot it, And I was like, I'm not

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going to go to war with these things? Are you

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out of your mind? I'm not shooting it. First of all,

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all I have in the gun is double odd buck.

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I don't have any slugs in the gun, you know,

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because the gun is set up for home defense. Really,

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you know, I just figured if the bear was out there,

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I'd shoot it into the trees and just the noise alone,

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they would run away, never thinking that I was going

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to run into a cryptid, you know, especially a dog man.

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And I was like, no, no, I said, no, I

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wouldn't have shot at it. First of all, if I

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would have shot at it, it's double odd buck. In

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half of the buck shot would have hit the cement wall.

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It's in the block wall, you know what I mean.

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I would have got the creature with a couple of

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bbi's or something, but that's about it. And I said,

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then it would have killed me, you know, or even

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if it would have ran off wounded. It would have

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been maybe it would have came back with a whole

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pack of them. I don't know. I'm not going to

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do that. Plus I told my friend I was talking to,

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I was like, did you forget about the story about

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the men in black? Do you think I want to

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deal with them again at my own house? Absolutely not.

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I just it was just such a surreal thing to

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experience because it was the furthest thing from my mind

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when I was out there. You know, I was more

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concerned with the black bear coming down and creeping up

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on me, because if it comes down out of the

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woods on all floors, it's going to be loaded aground.

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And it was so dark that night, it was overcast,

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and all I had was the firepig going and't have

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anything set up. And I'd even you have my fifteen

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hundred little flesh light that I usually take out with

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me with me the night, because I knew I had

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the one hundred luma on the gun and I would

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just use that, not expecting to ever have to use

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the gun, you know, you know what I mean. So

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it was just so surreal. The whole thing was absolutely surreal,

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just and it all went down like in slow motion,

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you know. And even when I got close to it,

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even though it ran away, you know, up the woods,

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I got so close to that fire pit, I must got.

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At one point, I was maybe five feet from that

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raccoon up up in the tree, you know, and he

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was looking at me, screaming at me, and I was like,

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just don't jump down on my head. You know. It

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was just just surreal. And I don't even know when

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that raccoon came down off that tree, because when I

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got back to the fire pit and I put it out,

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and I shut the radio walls and I packed everything up,

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you know, and I did everything like I normally did.

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I didn't leave the hose out or you know, let

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the fire ground. I made sure the fire was out.

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I cut over it so there wouldn't be any uh

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things flying away in the night starting fires anywhere. You know.

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I was very concerned with that, and I rolled up

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the holes. I did everything like I normally did to

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try to keep myself in a normal state of mind

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without you know, being too overwhelmed by what just happened.

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Speaker 3: Never a dull moment, huh. I'll tell you what, if

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you want to have some excitement, hang around with this

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man because sooner or later, excitement's going to happen. That's

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a guaranteed thing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can't get my wife or my son

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to come out with me. I don't believe anything I say.

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The funny thing is I'm always going out with other individuals,

472
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you know, so I always have people to validate what

473
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,079
we've experienced, you know. And the last few times I've

474
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:53,960
gone out, like the last time I went out, and

475
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:56,480
I want my cousin Sean, and I was like, you know,

476
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:58,680
in sure, it's a twenty year old kid. I was like, listen,

477
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,200
if you don't believe me, you gotta believe Sean. You know,

478
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:03,880
he's a twenty year old kid. Why would he lie

479
00:30:04,519 --> 00:30:08,440
about what we experienced, you know? And and like my

480
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,559
wife's like, oh, I got better things to do than

481
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,440
sit in the woods beaten by bugs. And my son's like, yeah,

482
00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:17,960
I don't know. Thanks, I'll pass. But meanwhile, they just

483
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,119
kill me when I when I when I talk about

484
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:24,920
my experiences, I don't believe a word I'm saying. I

485
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,480
was like, it's so frustrating not to have your family

486
00:30:28,519 --> 00:30:30,440
members support you like that, you know.

487
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,920
Speaker 3: Oh, sure, it's really frustrating. It's bad enough when you

488
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,039
have one encounter with a dog me in and your

489
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,279
family members don't believe you, but you've had a multitude

490
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,960
of them and they still don't believe you. So that's

491
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,079
got to be frustrating. I'm wondering, though, do you have

492
00:30:46,079 --> 00:30:49,400
any concerns about her safety when you consider the fact

493
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,440
that she doesn't believe you, doesn't believe that a dog

494
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:53,519
mean might be outside.

495
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: No, because first of all, she never goes in the

496
00:30:58,119 --> 00:30:59,759
yard at night, you know what I mean, that's not

497
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:02,440
her thing. She won't even sit by the fire pick

498
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:07,160
because again, it's too buggy, that's my thing. So she

499
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,519
doesn't really spend much time in the yard at night.

500
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:15,119
And if she did, I have a feeling that she

501
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:18,480
would just say the dog man or the sasquatch or

502
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,359
whatever she's seen, she would just say it was a bear,

503
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:24,759
because that's in her her mind. That would be the

504
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:28,440
only way she could justify what she's seen and not

505
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,119
freak her out so much where she wouldn't be able

506
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,759
to sleep at night, because bears are bears, and there's

507
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,680
nothing you know, everybody, everybody knows bears exist. But I

508
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,240
don't think she would recognize it for what it is.

509
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:43,599
I think she would file it away in the back

510
00:31:43,839 --> 00:31:47,279
and think it was she would put it. She would

511
00:31:47,359 --> 00:31:50,680
she would relate it to something that she can relate to,

512
00:31:50,839 --> 00:31:53,720
like a bear, a black bear or something. That's what

513
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:54,640
I think would happen.

514
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be a good thing, because unfortunately some

515
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:01,680
people just can't hear having a dog meaning encounter in

516
00:32:02,079 --> 00:32:04,000
sounds to me like your wife just might be one

517
00:32:04,039 --> 00:32:05,240
of those people. I don't know.

518
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean, she believes in the paranormal and

519
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,160
everything else, ghosts and aliens, and but she just she

520
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,839
won't wrap her mind around cryptids. She just she just

521
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,880
refuses to wrap her mind around cryptids, and until she

522
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:26,000
actually has one standing in front of her, she's not

523
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:29,519
gonna believe it. And even then, I swear I don't

524
00:32:29,559 --> 00:32:31,720
think she would believe it then, you know what I mean.

525
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,119
So it is what it is. I just do what

526
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,200
I do. You know, I just go on with my life.

527
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,319
I go out with my out with my relatives or

528
00:32:40,319 --> 00:32:43,640
my friends, and I do my investigations. But again, I

529
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,960
don't go looking for the dog man anymore. I stay

530
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:51,319
away from the dog man. It's just no reason to

531
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,400
put yourself in harms way. You know. Not that I

532
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,039
think they're bloodthirsty animals, I don't, But I think there's

533
00:32:59,119 --> 00:33:04,559
a psychology that they use that is so disrupting to

534
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:09,400
the human mind that I think it freaks people out

535
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,119
more that way for a longer period of time than

536
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,920
if they just you know, to clawed somebody and the

537
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,640
scars healed, you know what I mean. I think they

538
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,119
do more damage psychologically than physically. You know.

539
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:27,599
Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately that's what they're out to do. Like I said,

540
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:30,440
they really do know to push our buttons. Their masters

541
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:30,759
at it.

542
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. And I believe they feed off our fear.

543
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,279
I truly do believe that. There's no doubt in my mind.

544
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,519
I believe they feed off our fear.

545
00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: Now, I believe it. I think you're right. Before that

546
00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:46,680
raccoon and the dog met me, their presence known to you,

547
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,599
did you ever notice any foul smells or dropping the

548
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:52,160
ambient noises around you.

549
00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: I don't remember any foul smells, But there were times

550
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:05,039
when everything goes silent back here. Yeah, O, you know,

551
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:07,480
because I spend a lot of time in the yard

552
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:12,440
at night during the spring in the fall, when I

553
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,280
got the firepit going. I like to sit outside and

554
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,000
listen to you know, sports and stuff and have a

555
00:34:19,039 --> 00:34:23,639
cold beer. And there are times when the everything gets quiet,

556
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,760
and you know when that happens. And again I'm not

557
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,679
saying I'll ever smoke anything nasty. No, I don't remember.

558
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,400
But again, you know, we have mountain lions up here,

559
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:40,320
we have bobcats, we have black bear, we have predators.

560
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,760
So could it just be a regular known predator walking

561
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,400
through the woods and everything gets quiet? Absolutely? You know.

562
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:51,360
Like I said, I've been in the backyard with the

563
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:55,679
firepit going when the sasquatches walk by. And the funny

564
00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:00,599
thing is that they can walk by maybe twenty five

565
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:03,360
feet away from me and not make a sound. But

566
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,159
sometimes they march through like I heard the elephants, so

567
00:35:06,599 --> 00:35:08,880
they want me to know they're there. There's even my

568
00:35:09,039 --> 00:35:12,800
neighbor has one of those aluminum sheds where you have

569
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:16,079
put this lawn mower and stuff, and every now and

570
00:35:16,119 --> 00:35:19,159
again they'll bang on the shed to let me know

571
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:24,239
they're walking by, you know, and then you hear them

572
00:35:24,639 --> 00:35:27,440
walk past. I don't see them because there's so much

573
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,360
foliage in my far backyard, the second half of my

574
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,639
backyard that you know, them being dark to begin with

575
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,880
and the light not getting through that foliage. You just

576
00:35:39,199 --> 00:35:41,599
you hear them if they want you to hear them,

577
00:35:41,599 --> 00:35:44,119
and you hear them walk by, you know, and they do.

578
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:48,760
And sometimes I'll wake up in the morning and they'll

579
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,480
be like a quartz crystal stone on my fire pit.

580
00:35:51,639 --> 00:35:54,440
My fire pit's red brick. Where did they find this

581
00:35:54,519 --> 00:35:56,760
quartz crystal stone at you know what I mean? And

582
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,480
they leave me a gift just to say, hey, we

583
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:02,000
came by today. And then I usually take that gift

584
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,280
and I bring it back to their location and I

585
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,119
leave it back there for them. You know, it goes

586
00:36:07,199 --> 00:36:11,320
back and forth. But yeah, no, I mean I've known

587
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,000
when the sasquatch has gone by just you could feel

588
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,239
the energy if you know they're there. You know, you

589
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,840
could feel the energy and you know they're going by,

590
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:26,480
and it's not a big deal. I've never been scared

591
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:28,360
out of my yard in the middle of the night,

592
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,599
even when all the crickets and everything stopped making noise.

593
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:34,679
You know, I've never been scared out of my yard.

594
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,119
I've never And it was like never. Never put the

595
00:36:38,119 --> 00:36:40,599
fire out and ran inside thinking that you know, a

596
00:36:40,639 --> 00:36:42,880
mountain lion is going to come charging out through the

597
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,960
woods or a black bear or a pack of wolves

598
00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:48,719
or something, you know what I mean. Now, never been

599
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,760
scared out of my yard. I've been in thirty years,

600
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,239
and uh, there's never been scared out of my yard.

601
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,159
And I'm not going to let anything scare me out

602
00:36:57,199 --> 00:36:58,000
of my own yard.

603
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 3: You know, got to give it to you. You don't

604
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,519
frighten easily.

605
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:05,119
Speaker 1: Well, you know. I mean, I mean, if I go

606
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:10,039
out there and I'm not feeling anything, and then the

607
00:37:10,159 --> 00:37:13,360
energy changes of the of the yard changes and I

608
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,679
get like a vibe that hmm, you know, maybe I'm

609
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:22,280
being hunted. I'll come inside and I'll take out I

610
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,159
got a lot of guns, you know what I mean.

611
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:26,079
I'm a gun guy. I got a lot of guns.

612
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,519
I'll take out one of my guns and I'll sit

613
00:37:28,559 --> 00:37:30,840
in the yard with my gun, you know, even if

614
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,079
it's just a nine millimeter or some pistol, you know,

615
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:38,000
just something to defend myself with. But I don't let

616
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:40,559
anything chase me out now. I'm not letting and you're

617
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:42,519
not chasing me out of my own yard. And if

618
00:37:42,559 --> 00:37:45,719
I need to go to a bigger caliber, I could

619
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,480
always go bigger, you know, so, but I've never shot

620
00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:51,079
anything in my yard either.

621
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,679
Speaker 3: So I'm glad you've never needed to.

622
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:55,840
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not no.

623
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,079
Speaker 3: How people, is that tree that dogged me and pulled

624
00:37:59,079 --> 00:38:03,119
down at its.

625
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't really go back behind my neighbor's fire

626
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:10,360
pit to measure it, But like I said, I would say,

627
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,960
no bigger than eight inches. It's circumference. No bigger than that,

628
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,000
and that's the biggest I think it would be. But

629
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:23,719
I'm saying between six and eight inches. Yeah, it wasn't

630
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,199
a big tree by any stretching imagination. You know. We

631
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,280
got some big maples back here, you know, but nothing

632
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:30,840
like that.

633
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, sixty eight inch diameter trees not a big one.

634
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,280
But that still takes a lot of strength to bend

635
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,800
it over in bullet the way that dog man did.

636
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you know, And like iain, again, like I said,

637
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,679
I'm surprised at being such a young tree that it

638
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:52,679
didn't bounce back up and you know, head for the

639
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,119
skies against straight up. That has still stayed in that position.

640
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,159
So whenever it did when it pulled it down, it

641
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,320
must have damaged, you know, really bad.

642
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't understand that with a tree like that,

643
00:39:05,639 --> 00:39:08,280
I would expect it to either break or to snap

644
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,239
back up straight if it's healthy. I don't understand why

645
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,639
it would have both the way it did unless the

646
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:16,960
top had been pinned to the ground. So yeah, that's

647
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:17,920
hard to understand.

648
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:22,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't understand it either. Believe me. I

649
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,440
was shocked when it went over there yesterday to get

650
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,119
fitches for you, and I seen it was. I mean, again,

651
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,599
it's much higher now than it was when he was

652
00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:32,719
pulling down on it, you know what I mean. It

653
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,480
was a lot lower to the ground. But maybe it's

654
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,599
working its way back up. I don't know, but it's

655
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,280
it wasn't back up. I wouldn't have expected it to

656
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,760
sling shot right back up, you know, maybe even thrown

657
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,800
that raccoon further into one of the other neighbor's yards,

658
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,760
you know, like a catapult. But no, it didn't budge.

659
00:39:54,800 --> 00:40:01,159
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah that's what you would expect. Yeah, when that

660
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,480
dogged me and looked at you, what did you see

661
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:05,880
in this face? Fear or something else?

662
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: I seen shock, Like he didn't expect me to be there. Now.

663
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,920
I don't know if he didn't see the fire through

664
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,559
all the leaf canopy and leaf all the leaves all

665
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:21,880
the shrubs and everything I have in my backyard. You know, again,

666
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,639
I'm not talking a big bonfire either. It was just

667
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,079
all small sticks and brambles kind of stuff that I

668
00:40:29,079 --> 00:40:30,679
had picked up off the ground that I didn't want

669
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:34,800
to run over with the lawnmower, you know. So it

670
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,599
wasn't It wasn't like I was setting the fire pit

671
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,199
up for a real fire. But I was setting the

672
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:41,159
fire put up. For a real fire pit, I would

673
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:43,960
have had three solid logs in there, and the flames

674
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,599
would have been up five feet high six feet high.

675
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,840
You know. This was just small stuff like kindling kind

676
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,800
of stuff, you know. Or maybe he just didn't see it,

677
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,880
I don't know. Or maybe he was just so focused

678
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,000
in or maybe he didn't see it because he was

679
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,199
in my neighbor's yard and that firepit wall is so big,

680
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,440
you know, it's cinder block wall, and maybe he didn't

681
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,840
see it because of the cinder block wall. I don't know.

682
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:13,719
I don't know.

683
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it is all we can do is

684
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,239
guess about that. We're never gonna know.

685
00:41:19,039 --> 00:41:21,679
Speaker 1: He had like a shocked look on my face when

686
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:24,440
when he turned around to pull the tree down, because

687
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,840
originally he was pulling it down backwards. He was like

688
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,719
backing up, and then he spun around to look at

689
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,960
the raccoon and pull it down that way. And when

690
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:36,679
he spun around the flesh I hit him in the face,

691
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,000
and he was like shocked to see me there, like

692
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,880
what are you doing here?

693
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:41,280
Speaker 4: You know?

694
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:44,119
Speaker 1: It wasn't He didn't look happy, It didn't look mad.

695
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:46,880
He was just looked like he was shocked.

696
00:41:47,639 --> 00:41:51,159
Speaker 5: I got the expression I had on my face, you

697
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:54,639
know what I mean. I don't know what my face

698
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,360
looked like when I seen him. You know, my mouth

699
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,599
could have been wide open, like holy crap, what am

700
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:00,119
I looking that?

701
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like I said, it was surreal

702
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:07,400
and everything went into like slow motion and it just

703
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,800
didn't feel it didn't feel real. It didn't.

704
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure it didn't. Yeah, I don't doubt that

705
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,360
at all. How far was he standing from your radio,

706
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,519
the radio where you said you were listening to the

707
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:20,400
Yankees game?

708
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:24,079
Speaker 1: How far was I from the radio? Now?

709
00:42:24,159 --> 00:42:26,559
Speaker 3: How far was the dog man at that point when

710
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:28,920
it turned and looked at you with that shocked expression?

711
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,360
How far was he standing from your radio?

712
00:42:32,039 --> 00:42:35,800
Speaker 1: From my radio to where he was has to be

713
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:39,599
minimum of sixty seventy.

714
00:42:39,199 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 3: Feet sixty seventy feet And it wasn't all that windy

715
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,440
out that night. Was it pretty calm?

716
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:48,519
Speaker 1: You know? It was. It was a calm night. It

717
00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:51,960
was just overcast and dark, you know, And I had

718
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,159
the game on, but I didn't, you know, it wasn't

719
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:57,519
like I had the blasting. I just because my neighbors

720
00:42:57,519 --> 00:42:59,440
are so close to me. I have neighbors on either

721
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,039
side of me, and one of them is an older

722
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:05,599
gentleman and the other couple are young kids. They just

723
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,679
moved in and they both worked, so I didn't. I mean,

724
00:43:09,679 --> 00:43:11,599
it wasn't late, it was only like nine o'clock. But

725
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:13,559
I didn't have the I didn't have the radio allowed.

726
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:17,000
You know. It wasn't like I was listening to, you know,

727
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:21,039
Jimmy Andrews playing the Star Spangled Batner or something. You know.

728
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 3: Oh sure, and I understand. Yeah, you're a nice guy,

729
00:43:25,039 --> 00:43:27,239
and I wouldn't expect you to have it blasting. But

730
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,480
considering how keen they're hearing is, I'm surprised he didn't

731
00:43:31,519 --> 00:43:34,119
hear it even though he was that far away. But

732
00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:37,320
then again, he probably was so focused on that swamp kitty.

733
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,920
The raccoon that he didn't pay it any attention.

734
00:43:40,679 --> 00:43:43,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sound like the trick when I tell you,

735
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:48,320
it sound like two bulldozers coming down the woods, just

736
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,000
trash into the woods. I was like, what's going on?

737
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:56,599
And this thing was screaming at the top of its lungs.

738
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,880
I'd never heard a scream like that before. I didn't

739
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,360
know what it was. That's why I got up to

740
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,119
start walking over to see what it was, because, you know,

741
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,480
I thought maybe the black bear was chasing one of

742
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,960
my wife's cats or something, you know, And so then

743
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,119
I would have put around up into the trees to

744
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:18,719
scare it away. But never I never heard a raccoon

745
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:23,639
make that kind of noise before, you know. And it

746
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:28,840
wasn't really making any noise. It wasn't growling, it wasn't howling,

747
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:33,440
it wasn't whooping. It was just chasing, you know.

748
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like it was just locked on that raccoon.

749
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:41,039
That would explain a lot, it really would, you said,

750
00:44:41,039 --> 00:44:42,440
the dog me and went up the hill in a

751
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:46,559
serpentine fashion. When they did that, though, did it look

752
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:49,599
awkward or did it look like it had done that before?

753
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: No, it looked it looked very natural vic It looked

754
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,079
like it was natural. Like I said, I don't know

755
00:44:57,679 --> 00:44:59,679
if it was. I know it was leaning forward, so

756
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:01,639
I don't if it was using its arms to pull

757
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:04,480
itself up off up the hill as well, you know

758
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:07,880
what I mean. But it never went down to all fours,

759
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,599
you know, like a dog. It didn't look like a

760
00:45:10,599 --> 00:45:14,000
dog runner And it was serpentine. And that's what really

761
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,880
I think one in anything. When I came in the house,

762
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,239
I couldn't get passed that the thought of seeing it

763
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,920
do that. I was just dumbfounded by the fact that

764
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:27,239
it's serpentined up the hill. You know, to me, that

765
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,440
just rings intelligence, Like what kind of intelligence does this

766
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:35,840
creature have that it knew the shotgun was a gun

767
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,519
and the best way to get away from it is

768
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:40,280
to serpentine and stay low.

769
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately they're too smart for their own good. That's

770
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:45,519
a given there.

771
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: They're probably other than us, that's for sure.

772
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, do you have any

773
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:55,559
concerns about reprisals now that dog man saw you wreck

774
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:56,440
that shotgun?

775
00:45:58,079 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: No, because you know I never I never pointed to gun.

776
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 4: Well, I guess I did have the gun point at

777
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,559
that because I had the flesh light pointed at and

778
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:07,440
that was at the end of the gun. But I

779
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,400
never pulled the trigger, you know what I mean, not

780
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,760
even as it was running away. It didn't blast one

781
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,480
over its head or anything like that.

782
00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 1: You know, I never pulled the trigger, Like I said, Vic,

783
00:46:18,599 --> 00:46:22,679
The thought never crossed my mind to chamber around it.

784
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,360
Just my arm just did it on its own. I

785
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:29,960
just don't know what made my arm do that. It

786
00:46:30,039 --> 00:46:32,719
must have been a fight or flight kind of thing,

787
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,800
I guess. I don't know, man muscle memory. I don't

788
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,280
know why I did it because I wasn't thinking about

789
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:41,320
shooting the creature.

790
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 3: Oh sure you your mind was on autopilot, so you

791
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:47,320
can't be folded for anything like.

792
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:48,079
Speaker 1: That that you did.

793
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 3: You had another experience last fall, Please tell us spot it.

794
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: Okay. My cousin Sean and I went to my sacred

795
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:07,159
site for an investigation. It was that particular day it

796
00:47:07,199 --> 00:47:09,519
was I believe it was Halloween or it was two

797
00:47:09,599 --> 00:47:12,639
maybe it was two falls ago. I don't remember exactly,

798
00:47:13,119 --> 00:47:16,480
but it was. I think it was Halloween and it

799
00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:19,960
was a full moon, and I think there was either

800
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:25,639
a solar eclipse that day or a lunar eclipse. I

801
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:27,960
don't remember, but I remember there was a full moon

802
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,079
that night, and normally I wrote a roll down because

803
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:36,639
so much crap happened. But normally when we go to

804
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:42,280
the Sacred Site, I'm there for the sasquatches or anything

805
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:45,719
that may come in, because my Sacca claims that the

806
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:51,239
Sacred Site is a interdimensional doorway and everything comes through.

807
00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:54,920
And you know, I'm basically up there measuring, doing all

808
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:59,239
kinds of measurements with frequency and vibration and stuff like that.

809
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:05,920
I'm not really there for photographs or video or anything

810
00:48:06,079 --> 00:48:07,639
like that, you know. I mean, I got all the

811
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:12,679
stuff going, but I'm there more as a research to

812
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:15,920
see how the energy changes on nights like that when

813
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:19,679
there's a solar eclipse and a full moon and stuff

814
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,199
like that. And then I like to incorporate stuff in

815
00:48:22,679 --> 00:48:27,159
to see how me incorporating stuff in makes the energies

816
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:31,639
change as well. But anyway, it's three mile hike in

817
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,599
and then a mile a mile hike straight up the

818
00:48:34,639 --> 00:48:40,599
mount off trail, and whenever I go, I never ever

819
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,880
think about the dog Man on the east side of

820
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:48,320
the woods. At the dog Man then, because I'm not

821
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:51,920
there for the dog Man. I have a deal with

822
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:54,519
the dog Man. You stay at your house, I'll stay

823
00:48:54,519 --> 00:49:00,000
at mine. We've made that agreement. It's been five years now.

824
00:49:00,079 --> 00:49:04,360
I think we haven't invented each other's locations. So anyway,

825
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,480
we're going up the hill and we're off trail, and

826
00:49:06,519 --> 00:49:10,360
as I'm going up the mountain, the thought crosses my mind,

827
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,239
I wonder if that dog Man is still in that

828
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,360
if they're still using that den on the other side

829
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,360
of the woods. I don't know why crossed my mind.

830
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,639
I don't know why that thought came in my mind.

831
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,039
I never think of the dog Man when I'm at

832
00:49:24,039 --> 00:49:28,519
the Sasquash location, but that particular day that happened. On

833
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,119
the way up the mountain. We get to the top

834
00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:34,079
of the mountain, we drop our packs. We got everything

835
00:49:34,079 --> 00:49:37,559
in our packs. We don't even get started, and the

836
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:42,280
dog Man screams from the other side of the woods.

837
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:49,320
He lets out a screen that was so intense that

838
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,679
my cousin and I are fumbling for our phones to

839
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:55,400
record it because that's the only thing we have to

840
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,159
record because everything is still in our backpacks. We just

841
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:05,159
literally got there, and as we're recording him screaming, a

842
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:08,199
pack of coyotes go off, and it's a big pack.

843
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:10,760
If sounds like there's thirty of them in the pack.

844
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:15,880
And the coyotes go off, and in the middle of

845
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,679
all of the coyotes going off, the dog man goes

846
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:22,480
off again. And you can hear him in the middle

847
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:27,440
of all of them, because he's much louder and deeper

848
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:32,840
than the coyotes. And I turned to my cousin and

849
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:37,719
I said, he just let me know that he's still there.

850
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,920
I told my cousin, said, Sean, I had this thought

851
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,880
on the way up. I said, I don't know why

852
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:45,440
I had it, but no, sooner did we get to

853
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:49,480
the high plateau with the Sacred Side, is he goes off.

854
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:52,079
I said, I'm telling you that that was for me.

855
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,559
He's letting me know, Yeah, I'm still here. Don't come

856
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:03,559
to my den tonight. So we hunkered down the coyotes

857
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,599
CD and I got the recording, I think, I said

858
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:09,039
to tell you, and we hunk it down and we

859
00:51:09,159 --> 00:51:12,599
do all our stuff and we're we're really into it,

860
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:15,559
and it's you know, the full moon has got me

861
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:17,760
all amped up and I don't want to go home.

862
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,880
I got to be honest, which I probably wasn't left

863
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,480
until dawned because I was so wound up with the

864
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:28,800
energy from the full moon. And my cousin showing his

865
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,039
freezing his butt off. He's a skinny little kid, you know.

866
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,280
I mean he's tall, he's like six', five but he's,

867
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,400
skinny and he's, like, yo CAUs can we? Go i'm?

868
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,519
Freezing AND i just started to. LAUGHING i was, like,

869
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,519
yeah of course we could. Go we've been in the

870
00:51:42,519 --> 00:51:45,679
woods for like twelve. Hours we could, go no. Problem

871
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,760
and we pack up our. Stuff and it was funny

872
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,639
because right after the dog man went, off my cousin

873
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:53,159
said to, me my cousin has never experienced the dog

874
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,599
man or anything like that, before and he, says do

875
00:51:55,639 --> 00:51:58,320
we have to worry about him coming up? Here AND

876
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,400
i was, like, no this is the sad squatch part

877
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,039
of the. Woods the dog man doesn't come up. Here

878
00:52:04,079 --> 00:52:05,920
AND i don't think AND i don't know if The

879
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,320
bigfoots go to the Dog man's side of the, woods

880
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,920
BUT i don't think we have to worry about him

881
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,559
coming up, here you. Know and we were there for

882
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:16,639
like twelve, hours and you, know we never had any

883
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,280
dog being. Experience after the. Screams so we pack up

884
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,159
all our. Gear it's two thirty in the morning, whatever

885
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:27,000
and we start hiking out and we get down off

886
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:29,760
of the high. Plateaul we get back onto The Appalachian

887
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,119
trail and we're on a little, hill maybe a fifty

888
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:37,400
foot hill on a forty five degree. Angle and we get,

889
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,880
there and now we're on The we're on the appalation

890
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,519
shell and we start to hike out along the. Lake

891
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:45,480
there's a fifty two acre lake, there and we start

892
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:47,360
to hike out along the lake and it's part of

893
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,719
the trail is like a goat. Trail it's really, sketchy

894
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,920
it's really. Dangerous and no sooner do we come down

895
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:59,239
off that little, hill AND i mean literally hit the

896
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,280
bottom of that hill and we start to go straight

897
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:07,079
along the. Lake the dog man is there behind, us

898
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:12,719
and he screams. AGAIN i mean he screams so. Loud

899
00:53:13,199 --> 00:53:16,199
Now i'm in front Of. SEAN i got a big

900
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,920
fifty pound pack on my. Back sean's got a fifty

901
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,480
pound pack on his, back and this scream goes Through

902
00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:28,039
sean through his. Backpack throw my backpack and throw. ME

903
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,119
i turn around AND i look At sean and his

904
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:35,239
eyes are as big as. Sauces and he looks at

905
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,639
me and he, goes dog. MAN i, go dog, man

906
00:53:38,119 --> 00:53:40,400
and he. TURNS i, said let's turn. Around let's look for.

907
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:44,800
It we got very high powered headlamps. On they shoot

908
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,280
like seven hundred. Feet they're, very very, powerful and they

909
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,280
go from flood to. Spot SO i, said turn you

910
00:53:52,599 --> 00:53:56,320
headlamp on. Flood let's get as much light as we

911
00:53:56,480 --> 00:54:00,440
can on the. Area now we both are looking at

912
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,920
the top of that little hill right where we came

913
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,679
down off of the high, plateau because that's where we

914
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,400
felt the screen come. From this little hill is no

915
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:13,800
further than fifty feet away from. Us if this dog

916
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,840
man wanted, to he could have jumped off that hill

917
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:21,800
and took us boat. Down but instead he, screamed and

918
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,199
we're looking and we don't see, anything and we're looking

919
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,679
on the side of the. Mountain maybe he jumped off

920
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:30,840
the side of the mountain and he's hiding in a.

921
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,599
Crevice we don't see. Anything, well there's up here in the.

922
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:38,440
Northeast we have these ancient stone walls that run in

923
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,599
all different directions that people claim that their property. Markers

924
00:54:41,639 --> 00:54:44,840
BUT i don't think, so because sometimes they run parallel

925
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,159
to one another ten feet, apart AND i don't know

926
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:51,039
who would build these walls like that at two from.

927
00:54:51,079 --> 00:54:53,920
Parallel but we're looking at the wall up, there and

928
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,079
you know mcause the shun, says do you want to

929
00:54:56,119 --> 00:54:58,199
go up and? See And i'm, like absolutely. NOT i

930
00:54:58,199 --> 00:54:59,960
have no desire to go up there and look for

931
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:02,760
the dog. Man you, Know i'm not going up there.

932
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,360
Now the thought never crossed me my mind at the.

933
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,320
Time BUT i did have another researcher say to, me

934
00:55:11,039 --> 00:55:15,239
at what makes you think the dog man? Left maybe

935
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,199
he just went into like an is a busily cloath

936
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,920
and he was still there watching. You and that thought

937
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:25,840
never crossed my mind at that. Time you, KNOW i

938
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:29,360
thought he was hiding from, Us So i'm not going

939
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,119
up the hill looking for. Him SO i thought it Was,

940
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:34,800
sean come, on we're gonna hike out of. Here we

941
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:36,320
got to get to The we got to get to

942
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,480
the mining. Road the mining road is the only way,

943
00:55:38,519 --> 00:55:42,519
out and WE i told, HIM i, said we're not

944
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:48,920
going to stop tonight for any any uh, breaks for

945
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:54,719
water or bathroom, breaks BECAUSE i don't want him flanking

946
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,880
us and then us having to fight our way out of.

947
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,519
Here there's only one way. Out let just keep. Moving

948
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:04,920
now we're four miles in and the car is another

949
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:08,280
half a mile away from the front of the. Park and,

950
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,679
uh and she Wanted my cousin was, like, listen cause

951
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,440
if you have to take that pack off your back

952
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,599
given to, Me i'll carry it for. You he's twenty years,

953
00:56:16,639 --> 00:56:19,320
old you, know as strong as our. Ox AND i was, like, no,

954
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:21,800
NO i THINK i. THINK i Know i'm old and broken,

955
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:24,119
down BUT i THINK i can do it. Right and

956
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:27,400
we hike, out and we hike, out and we can

957
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:31,400
feel the door man behind. Us we can feel, him

958
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:37,280
feel his energy pushing us. Out AND i don't like

959
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,760
the feeling of him pushing us out BECAUSE i don't

960
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:45,159
know where he. Is And showing is a very sensitive kid,

961
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,320
too he has abilities and he can feel it, Too

962
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:52,800
AND i said to, him you better pull your machete.

963
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,840
OUT i don't like the fact that it's behind us

964
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,480
and it's pushing us. Out so we pulled out our

965
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:00,920
machetes and we're walking with, arms and we got our

966
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:04,320
head lamps on and we have ten inch survival nins

967
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,440
and we have pepper spray and. Stuff but the machete

968
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,079
is our main, weapon and we're. Hiking we make it

969
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:13,119
to the mining. Road we're hiking out and we get

970
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:16,360
to the mining, road and there's where the mouth of

971
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:22,880
the lake. Starts is usually where the sasquatch hurt us out,

972
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:26,280
to and then they turn around and go. BACK i

973
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,679
don't know if this if the dogman is going to

974
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,159
do the same, thing if he's going to turn around

975
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:33,679
at the mouth of the lake or. Not but from

976
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,599
the mouth of the lake to the, car we're still

977
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:38,320
a mile and a half. Away it's still a, walk you.

978
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:42,679
Know so as we're. Walking as we're, walking we got

979
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:44,480
our head lamps, on we got our heads on the.

980
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:52,079
Swivel and at one POINT i see yellow eyeshine at

981
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:55,360
the two o'clock at the two o'clock, hour it's to my.

982
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:58,519
RIGHT i, Say, sean what do you see at the

983
00:57:58,559 --> 00:58:02,079
two o'clock? Hour and you're, right he, SAYS i see yellow.

984
00:58:02,119 --> 00:58:05,119
Eyeshine i'm, like oh, man this is no, good you. Know,

985
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:08,400
Now i'm thinking this thing is going to come, out

986
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,239
and it's already flanked, us and it's ahead of, us.

987
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:13,079
Speaker 2: And now we're going to have to fight our way

988
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:16,400
out of, here you. Know so again pull out our,

989
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,199
machetes and he, goes, well maybe it's just a. DEER i, said,

990
00:58:20,239 --> 00:58:23,039
well we'll find out the closer we, get because the

991
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:25,760
closer we get to, it if it's a, deer it'll

992
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:26,480
turn and run.

993
00:58:26,519 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: Away you, know it'll high tail its way out. Here you,

994
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:30,840
go see the white tail go up and run. Away,

995
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,480
well we're getting closer and. Closer this thing is not,

996
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:37,920
moving and it's pretty. TALL i, mean like the eye

997
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,920
shed is a it's six feet. Tall And i'm, like,

998
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,760
man this is the. Biggest if this is a, deer

999
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:45,840
it's the biggest Deer i've ever. Seen and then all

1000
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,880
of a, sudden the eye shine starts moving out towards,

1001
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:55,119
us towards the towards the mining, road and he's comes

1002
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,360
out on the mining road AND i stop, showing AND

1003
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:04,920
i was, like we, stop and this giant buck is

1004
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,679
standing in front of us with these yellow eyes and

1005
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:10,760
he's got the biggest set of horns on it you

1006
00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:13,760
ever seen in your. Life and it's standing in front

1007
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,960
of us and it looks like a super. Deer it's

1008
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,119
the biggest DEER i ever seen in my. Life and

1009
00:59:19,159 --> 00:59:23,159
it's looking at us and we're looking at, it and

1010
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:27,519
the look in its eyes is like it wants to

1011
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:32,880
tell us. Something And i'm telling you vic something, happened

1012
00:59:33,639 --> 00:59:38,000
because at that, moment we forgot all about the dog

1013
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:41,400
man behind, us and we're trying to figure out what

1014
00:59:41,519 --> 00:59:45,119
this creature in front of us. Is Number, one is

1015
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:48,519
it really a? Deer are we looking at an alien

1016
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:52,079
putting the deer image in our? Minds what are we

1017
00:59:52,239 --> 00:59:55,639
dealing with? Here you, know it's not a deer because

1018
00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:58,119
it didn't run. Away it Ran it came out towards.

1019
00:59:58,159 --> 01:00:01,960
Us so we're looking and we're. Laughing me And sean

1020
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:05,840
are laughing, hysterical like what is this because it feels

1021
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,320
like it's trying to talk to us, telepathically but we're

1022
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:12,280
not tuned into its. Frequency neither one of us are

1023
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:16,480
picking it. Up SO i, said, looks keep, walking you,

1024
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,360
know maybe it'll. Move and as we start, walking it

1025
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,159
moves past us because on the other side of the,

1026
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,480
road like it's going to go up the trail in

1027
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:27,719
the east in different. Direction then it stops and it

1028
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:31,880
comes back out like it's forgot to tell us. Something

1029
01:00:32,639 --> 01:00:36,480
and it's like And i'm literally two feet away FROM

1030
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:39,559
i could pet its, nose and we're looking at this,

1031
01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:43,119
thing AND i can't tell you how strange. Is SO

1032
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:46,400
i can't emphasize how strange this is Because sean AND

1033
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,320
i went from worrying about the dog man following us

1034
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,239
out to this, thing, laughing, hysterical not trying to figure

1035
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:57,400
out what this thing. Is so eventually it moves. On

1036
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,559
we get to the, Car we call my psychic. Immediately

1037
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,320
as soon as we get to the car two thirty

1038
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,719
in the, morning three, O'CLOCK i wake her. UP i was,

1039
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,840
LIKE i explained to her what, happened and she tells

1040
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:14,800
me it wasn't a. Deer it was a guardian of the,

1041
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,920
woods and it was there to let you guys pass

1042
01:01:20,559 --> 01:01:24,039
and to turn that dog man. Around AND i was, like,

1043
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,440
well what was, it because if it was just a

1044
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,800
flesh and blood big, Buck i'm sure that dog man

1045
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:37,480
could have tore her. Apart and she, said, al because

1046
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:41,360
you've seen a big buck doesn't mean it was the

1047
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:45,239
same thing the dog man was. Saying she was, All

1048
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,840
i'm telling, you it was a guardian of the woods

1049
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,400
and it was. Dead let you, pass and you guys.

1050
01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:55,039
Passed and we went home and we talked about it

1051
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:58,760
the whole ride, home and it was just the craziest

1052
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:03,800
night in the. World and we found we actually, found

1053
01:02:05,320 --> 01:02:10,239
uh sat watch a nest up in the woods that.

1054
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,239
NIGHT i think that was the reason why we were

1055
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:17,679
supposed to be there and, uh but that proof to

1056
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,559
me that that dog man is still in that still

1057
01:02:21,679 --> 01:02:24,559
using that den in the swamp on the east side

1058
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:29,440
of the. Woods and NOW i know WHEN i go back,

1059
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,760
THERE i don't go to the east side of the.

1060
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,800
WOODS i stay on the west side because NOW i,

1061
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:37,559
know BECAUSE i BECAUSE i got to be honest with,

1062
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:41,840
you my curiosity was kind of driving me to go

1063
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,880
back to the den to see if it was still being,

1064
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:49,800
used you, know BUT i WAS i was hesitant BECAUSE

1065
01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:52,599
i didn't want it coming back to my. House but

1066
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,199
NOW i know it's still, THERE i don't have to

1067
01:02:55,239 --> 01:02:58,079
go to the. Den and that was just a crazy.

1068
01:02:58,199 --> 01:03:00,960
Night And sean was, like he'll never forget that. Night

1069
01:03:01,039 --> 01:03:03,800
that was just. Crazy and we both got the, recording

1070
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,079
so he says he'll have that for the rest of

1071
01:03:06,119 --> 01:03:08,519
his life. Now so it was a wild. Night it's

1072
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:09,280
just absolutely.

1073
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:13,199
Speaker 3: Insane, Oh i'm sure he won't forget. That did he

1074
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,039
ever put the heat on you to take him back?

1075
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: There sean has been back there with me before that.

1076
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,880
Experience he had been back there with me three or

1077
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:28,599
four times. Already so we've experienced a lot of crazy stuff,

1078
01:03:28,719 --> 01:03:35,440
there from skinwalkers to wind, degoes to, rakes to, aliens

1079
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,880
you name, that we've experienced it at that. Location and

1080
01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:44,960
he's experienced everything with. Me we've gone two haunted houses

1081
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,440
together and done, investigations and we've had spirits run through

1082
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:52,519
me then run through, him and you, know he freaked

1083
01:03:52,519 --> 01:03:54,920
out the first time the spirit ran through. Him it was,

1084
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:57,079
Like oh my, God i'm just ran through you. Know

1085
01:03:57,159 --> 01:03:59,599
And i'm laughing hysterical because that it's just gone through,

1086
01:03:59,639 --> 01:04:02,599
ME i. Know and he experienced a lot with, me

1087
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,199
but it is what he experienced it in a few

1088
01:04:06,239 --> 01:04:08,719
short years of hanging out with, me he experienced a

1089
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:10,079
lifetime of paramormal.

1090
01:04:10,559 --> 01:04:15,360
Speaker 3: Activity it sure sounds like he. Has, yeah you've had

1091
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,400
so many experiences. There how do you find out about

1092
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,280
the sacred site in where it was?

1093
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:27,039
Speaker 1: Located, well ORIGINALLY i had been taking my dog there for,

1094
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:30,079
years hiking The Appalachian trail with my son when my

1095
01:04:30,119 --> 01:04:33,119
son was small and the dog was. Young it was

1096
01:04:33,239 --> 01:04:35,840
just a nice place to go for a day. Hike you.

1097
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:39,159
Know and then one DAY i heard my neighbors talking

1098
01:04:39,199 --> 01:04:44,000
to a couple of local guys who were coon, hunters

1099
01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:47,760
and they were talking about they were there one night

1100
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:52,199
coon hunting and they had a couple of redbone hounds

1101
01:04:52,199 --> 01:04:54,079
and they were out there on coon hunting off The

1102
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:58,199
Appalachian trail because technically you can't hunt on the park

1103
01:04:58,199 --> 01:05:01,519
because it's a federal. Park you can hunt off The Appllation.

1104
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:05,960
Trail and they were having rocks thrown at, him thinking

1105
01:05:06,039 --> 01:05:09,519
it was kids partying in the, woods you, know and

1106
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:11,639
they told that they would they they thought they were

1107
01:05:11,679 --> 01:05:14,920
talking to, kids, saying, hey if you, know stop throwing

1108
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,159
rocks at, us we're gonna send sick the dogs on.

1109
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,920
You and the rocks kept, coming so they sicked the

1110
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,679
dogs on, him but the dogs went like halfway turned

1111
01:05:22,679 --> 01:05:28,039
around and ran back past, them you. Know and when

1112
01:05:28,079 --> 01:05:30,400
another rock came, out one of the guys put around

1113
01:05:30,440 --> 01:05:34,320
into the tree and he, said like seven foot sasquatch

1114
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:37,159
stepped out and screamed at. Him AND i heard this,

1115
01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:39,880
story you, know BECAUSE i was over my neighbors talking

1116
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:41,480
to him when they came over to tell him the,

1117
01:05:41,559 --> 01:05:44,039
story because you, know everybody up here as the big,

1118
01:05:44,119 --> 01:05:48,400
hunters you, know And i'm. Listening i'm just he's dropping

1119
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,199
to be honest with, you and you tell me where it.

1120
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,360
Is so THEN i started researching the, location and you,

1121
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,480
know there was a lot of bigfoot experiences off The

1122
01:05:57,519 --> 01:06:00,519
Appalation trail, there AND i was, like, WELL i got

1123
01:06:00,519 --> 01:06:03,840
to go there and start. Investigating and then hearing all

1124
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:08,679
kinds of stories about UFOs and balls of light and

1125
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,360
all kinds of. Stuff and one thing led to, Another

1126
01:06:12,719 --> 01:06:17,639
and howd a woman come over From? England she was

1127
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:22,440
a podcaster or, something and she was up here for

1128
01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:27,079
The Pine Bush Ufo fair and she's staying at a

1129
01:06:27,079 --> 01:06:29,239
friend of mine's house and she was, like how you

1130
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:30,880
got to bring me to this. LOCATE i want to

1131
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,280
see the sasquatch struct and we don't have sasquatches In.

1132
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,559
England show me a. Structure SO i, said. Okay so

1133
01:06:36,679 --> 01:06:40,079
one day after the fair was, over we went out

1134
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:43,920
to the woods. Hiking and we had to drought that,

1135
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,840
summer so we were lucky enough to be able to

1136
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,159
go into. It it was usually, swamping you, know. Swamp

1137
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,599
it was all right out AND i was showing her

1138
01:06:54,239 --> 01:07:00,760
this is a junior structure done by a juvenile and

1139
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:02,960
you can see how this is being, made and you

1140
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:05,960
can see here next to it is an adult, structure

1141
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,559
and the juveniles are counting the. Adults and the funny

1142
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:12,760
thing is the camera guy is. Filming he puts his

1143
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:17,480
camera down on a log to get out the mosquito,

1144
01:07:17,519 --> 01:07:21,079
repellent and we're all talking about the mosquitoes eating us.

1145
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:26,559
Alive and we got a class A evp calling my cameraman's,

1146
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:31,360
name not, once but, twice and which freaked him. Out

1147
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:34,679
and it was a woman's voice. Too so then we

1148
01:07:34,679 --> 01:07:39,320
were walking along and we're walking north up The Palatian,

1149
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:43,880
trail and there was a fire in the woods the

1150
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:48,880
winter before and all the all the woods was burnt.

1151
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:52,960
Out and AS i was, Looking i've seen what looked

1152
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:56,960
like a stone carrying up on the. Woods SO i

1153
01:07:57,039 --> 01:07:59,920
told the Cameraman billy, said zoom in on, that what's

1154
01:08:00,119 --> 01:08:02,960
that up? There you? Know because we had find these

1155
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:07,079
little stone carrons built on like, cliffs like you would

1156
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:09,039
have to be a billy goat to get up. There

1157
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,000
and we're, like who's building these little stone karrons up

1158
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:14,559
in these locations that you can't get? To first TIME

1159
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:16,399
i seen It it freaked me. OUT i thought it

1160
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,239
was Like, blair which kind of, stuff you. Know and

1161
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:23,880
THEN i did some research AND i seen that their

1162
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,680
karns it and THEN i NOTICED i started, researching and

1163
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,800
the bigfoots make them. Too so we've seen this look

1164
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,279
like a stone structure up on top of the. Mountain

1165
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,399
SO i, said we got to get up. There and

1166
01:08:34,399 --> 01:08:35,960
the camera, man it's, like how we going to get up,

1167
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,399
there it's all burnt, out it's all. TRUCKOL i go follow.

1168
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:40,680
ME i pulled out MY macheti AND i chopped my

1169
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,159
way up the top of the. Hill and WHEN i

1170
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:45,000
got to the top of the, hill open top to

1171
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:49,920
a flat, plateau big plateau which had brakes and bends

1172
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,119
and arches and twists and all kinds of. Stuff and

1173
01:08:53,239 --> 01:08:57,439
we filmed. Everything and it's got these megallithic structures set

1174
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:02,399
up in a giant, circle what hundreds hundreds of little

1175
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:06,000
stones on top of the megallithic, stones you, Know and

1176
01:09:06,079 --> 01:09:09,199
it was just the energy of the location was just so.

1177
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:14,039
Calming there was an archway at this. Location And i'm

1178
01:09:14,079 --> 01:09:16,560
not a kind of guy that can camp out under the.

1179
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:19,800
Stars it's just a sleeping, bag you. KNOW i need a. Tent,

1180
01:09:21,119 --> 01:09:24,319
well that energy at that location was so good THAT

1181
01:09:24,399 --> 01:09:27,800
i felt like IF i slept underneath that, arch nothing

1182
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,359
would happen to me because the energy was so good,

1183
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:34,560
there you, Know and that's how we found it by.

1184
01:09:34,720 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 3: Chance, wow here you're taking your dog there for.

1185
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: WALKS i walked past that far at the mountain a

1186
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,720
million times with the dog because you couldn't see. Anything was,

1187
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,560
all you, know foliage all the way. Up but apparently

1188
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:53,359
somebody must lit a fire or there was a lightning

1189
01:09:53,399 --> 01:09:55,920
strike or, something but all the woods burnt, out and

1190
01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,600
it was like, dada, look which you. Know and IF

1191
01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,239
i didn't see that little stone, STRUCTURED i looked like A.

1192
01:10:02,319 --> 01:10:05,119
Cameron to, ME i would have never even gave it

1193
01:10:05,159 --> 01:10:11,960
a second. Thought to find that high plateau was just.

1194
01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:15,840
Amazing and then to the west of the plateau is

1195
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:20,079
a high ridge, line you. Know AND i made a

1196
01:10:20,119 --> 01:10:22,279
deal with The saasquatches THAT i would never go up

1197
01:10:22,319 --> 01:10:25,000
the ridge if they come down to see, mean and

1198
01:10:25,039 --> 01:10:27,159
they have been every TIME i go up, there they

1199
01:10:27,199 --> 01:10:31,640
come down to see, me you. Know SO i just

1200
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,159
went up there list two years ago With sean for

1201
01:10:34,199 --> 01:10:38,760
the first time BECAUSE i had a telepathic communication with

1202
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,960
a White sasasquatch Called alak who claims to be like

1203
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:48,560
a shaman or king, shaman an elder or. Something and

1204
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,479
he was waving me up the hill AND i was, like,

1205
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,760
NO i can't go up the. HILL i made a

1206
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:55,600
pack with the klan THAT i won't go up to.

1207
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:58,119
Hill and this is, there you, know up to this

1208
01:10:58,319 --> 01:11:01,239
ridge brings us over to their to their home. Range

1209
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:04,920
and Ali reck was waving me, up waving, me waving me.

1210
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:06,840
Up SO i talked to my psychic and she, said

1211
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:09,319
all of Al reck is waving you, up you got

1212
01:11:09,319 --> 01:11:11,880
to go up because she lives In. Arkansas and he

1213
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:15,000
went to her as, well and then he went To

1214
01:11:15,079 --> 01:11:18,600
Chris reinhardt In. Connecticut So chris seen, HIM i seen,

1215
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,560
him and my psychic seeing. Him so THEN i went

1216
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,239
up the hill With sean and we found all these,

1217
01:11:24,319 --> 01:11:28,119
dens Not den's, nest but they were set up Vic

1218
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,359
the way they were set up was like. Foxholes they

1219
01:11:32,399 --> 01:11:37,159
were set up very. Strategically there wasn't one nest in

1220
01:11:37,279 --> 01:11:41,279
the way of another. One you could see east and

1221
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:44,479
west without anything in your, way even if there Were

1222
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,439
sasquatches in the nests in front of you or behind.

1223
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:50,279
You they were set up like. Foxholes they were very,

1224
01:11:50,319 --> 01:11:54,439
strategic set, up very, strategic and THAT'S i guess that's

1225
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:58,279
what we were up there for that particular. Night, yeah that's.

1226
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 3: Amazing all those times walking right pasted it and you

1227
01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:03,960
never would have known what was. There i'm glad you

1228
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,920
did find out, Though thank goodness for. That sounds like

1229
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,680
a magical, PLACE.

1230
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,520
Speaker 1: I, said as it really. Is, yeah, yeah.

1231
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:16,039
Speaker 3: Sure sounds like. It, Well, al we're out of time

1232
01:12:16,279 --> 01:12:17,880
before we get out of. HERE i just want to

1233
01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:20,199
thank you so much for coming back on as. ALWAYS

1234
01:12:20,239 --> 01:12:23,399
i really do appreciate, it and it kind of makes

1235
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,279
me wonder where do we go from? Here what's?

1236
01:12:25,399 --> 01:12:31,119
Speaker 1: Next Oh, GOD i don't. KNOW i do plan on

1237
01:12:31,199 --> 01:12:33,720
getting back out into the woods when the woods dries

1238
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:36,119
out a little. Bit we've been getting a lot of you,

1239
01:12:36,119 --> 01:12:39,880
know may rain up here right. Now, so LIKE i,

1240
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,000
said those stones and it gets you, know we go

1241
01:12:43,119 --> 01:12:46,840
For you go from a nice wide mining road to

1242
01:12:47,039 --> 01:12:51,600
like This Appalachian goat, trail which is very very. Sketchy

1243
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,399
when the rocks are, wet it is dangerous and you

1244
01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:58,000
go down on those, rocks you'll crack your head. Open

1245
01:12:58,039 --> 01:13:00,439
you'll need to be airlifted out of, there So i'm

1246
01:13:00,439 --> 01:13:02,720
waiting for everything to dry out a little bit BEFORE

1247
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,239
i head back. In i'm as young AS i used to,

1248
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:07,000
be you know WHAT i.

1249
01:13:07,039 --> 01:13:11,319
Speaker 3: Mean on neither one of us ARE i, understand and

1250
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:13,039
then it'll be hot and drive for you know, it

1251
01:13:13,159 --> 01:13:16,560
so you shouldn't have to wait. Long but having said,

1252
01:13:16,600 --> 01:13:19,119
that thanks again so much for coming. ON i really

1253
01:13:19,159 --> 01:13:21,279
do appreciate, it and have a great.

1254
01:13:21,399 --> 01:13:21,600
Speaker 1: Night