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the show for in the length of time, there's a
good possibility you've listened to tonight's guests come on and
talk about his prior experiences with dog men. Well, as
you might have noticed, some people seem to be magnets
for these things, and tonight's guest would definitely fit into
that category. Well, as fate would have it, he had
another encounter earlier this weekend. That's what he's come back
to tell us about tonight. Of course, I'm talking about
Al sant Riga. Al, thanks so much for coming back.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me Vic.
Speaker 3: Oh, you're welcome. No, anytime I get an opportunity to
bring you on, I jump at it. So yeah, glad
to do it now. As you know, too much of
anything is normally a bad thing. Look at what happened
with Dobermans. For example, in the seventies, there was this
craze where all these people wanted to get Doberman's. Well
what comes along with that. You had all these backyard
breeders breeding them. Well, next thing you know, you've got
all these unstable dogs running around biting people and all that. Well,
talking about the whole dogma phenomenon, this dogmiath thing is
really grown wings and taken off. What are your thoughts
on that? Do you see that is a good thing
or a bad thing?
Speaker 1: I think it's a double edged sword, to be honest.
I think it's a good thing that more people are
aware of what's out there. I think it's a bad
thing because of COVID. Everybody and their mother are podcasters now,
and not everybody's as professional as you, And I think
people are just looking for content, and I think people
are making stuff up just to get on the radio.
And you're getting a lot of bad intel on these creatures,
you know what I mean. And there's a lot of
people giving their professional opinion and stating they should do this,
that and the other thing, when I think their opinion
is one hundred percent wrong and they should stay in
their lanes. But you know, I'm just one man. That's
just one man's opinion.
Speaker 3: Well that's not just one man's opinion. I agree with
pretty much everything you said. There are a lot of
people making creepy pasta that they present as being true stories,
which it's no secret I hate that, think it's a
horrible idea. But what you talked about the people who
are putting out information, putting out opinions, I should say,
but they're treating them like their fact when it comes
to advice on how to handle a dog man encounter,
putting out bad info about dog men that might get
someone killed. I've got a big problem with that as well.
And you touched on that just a moment ago all
the other stuff, it kind of ruffles my feathers. But
when people are putting out info that could quite possibly
get someone ended about these guys about dogmen, I have
a big problem with that. What do you think is
the biggest lie that's being spread about these guys that
might cause that to happen, might cause a person to
be ended.
Speaker 1: Oh well, My personal opinion, again just one man's opinion,
is that I think there are so many people out
there doing podcasts and a lot of them being invited
to some poseums and presentations, and they're all claiming that
these creatures are bloodthirsty killers and they're not I've had
so many encounters with them, so many different locations. If
that was the case, I would be dead ten times
over already, you know what I mean. So, no, they're
not bloodthirsty killers. And no, you shouldn't shoot at these
creatures when you see them in the woods because you're scared.
You should just walk away, you know, and let them
do what they're doing, and you go on and you
do your own thing. But they're not all bloodthirsty kills.
If that was the case, there would be so many
more hikers missing and investigators found dead in the woods.
Speaker 3: I think you hit it on the head, but you know,
it is fear cells when these people make up these
fake stories that they present as being true ones. Yeah,
every time you turn the it's about this mindless dog
man that's going to rip you a part. As soon
as the opportunity presents itself. That sells, I get it.
But what they don't think about, or don't care about,
is the fact that you've got so many of these
eyewitnesses who've had encounters, real encounters with these guys that
they're barely able to deal with. Some can't deal with
their encounters. They listen to this crap think they're true stories,
and then now they're having an even harder time dealing
with their encounters. That's where I come in. I have
to talk them off the ledge and try to help
them understand that no, this didn't happen. That didn't happen.
So yeah, it's not a victimless deal here. There's definite
blowback to that. And you know, I haven't hidden the
fact that I'm really frustrated by it. I really am.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I understand that, absolutely.
Speaker 3: Oh definitely. But it seems like also what comes along
with this popularity increase, You've got so many people who
are heading out into the woods that want to be
quote unquote dog mean investigators. Well you're a dogman investigator,
a well tenured one. What are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 1: I say, don't go into the woods looking for these things.
That's what I tell everybody when people ask me, where
do I have to go to find them? Or what
do I need to do when I when I where
do I what I need to do to bring them in?
Or what do I need to have on me to predict? Say?
Tell them the same thing all the time. Don't go
looking for these things. Be careful what you wish for.
These things are not cuddly little puppies that you can
play with, little balls of fur. No, these are alpha
predators and if they're in the woods hunting, they're hungry.
The last thing they want to do is be bothered
by you. You don't want to get on one's wrong side,
you know. And like I said, they're not all bloodthirsty killers.
But it doesn't take much to piss something off that's
looking to hunt and feed itself or it's family. And
then you're in this way, you know what a fake
calls to bring it in and a spotlight to blind
it or something, you know what I mean. Yeah, you
could rub one the wrong way very easily, and then
things could get bad very quickly. You know. I tell people,
don't go I don't go out looking for these things anymore.
I know where they are. I don't go where they are.
I go in the opposite direction. If we happen to
cross paths, we cross paths. But that's it. You know,
there's really no reason to be searching for these creatures.
They there should be left alone, you know, just leave
them alone and let them live and let live, you know,
to sas squatch, the whole different animal sasquatches, a much
more non aggressive still you know, an alpha predator, but
much more less aggressive. Where the bigfoot sees you, it
turns and it walks back the way he came. It
doesn't want to deal with us. It knows we're nothing
but trouble. But a dog man tends to get off
on feeding off of our fears and scaring us. Another
thing that irks me is just again it's one man's opinion.
When people say, oh, I've seen the dog man and
he smiled at me. I don't think it was a smile.
I don't believe the dog man is smiling at you.
I think he's showing you his teeth to let you
know that if he wants you, he can take you
at any given time. It's not a smile. Well, don't
smile and wave back, don't take his picture. He's not
smiling at you. That's a warning. That's a warning for
you to turn and go the other way. With EU
opinion on that, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I think they do actually smile, and eyewitnesses because they're
so intelligent. I sure do. Because they're so intelligent and
they know how to push our buttons. I think they
most definitely do smile that eyewitnesses because they know if
they smile at us, that's going to push our buttons
out much more, and they'll do anything they can in
a lot of cases to get that response out of us.
So it's my opinion that they actually are smiling at
us when eyewitnesses say that that's what they experienced.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, you know, like I said, it's one
man's opinion. You know that your opinion is as good
as mine, So I just don't see it. But again,
I don't know how I'll explain it. I mean, I've
been around dogs my whole life. I trained dogs, and
I've seen them shell their teeth, you know what I mean,
And they do look like they're smiling, but absolutely they do,
but they're not really smiling. They're just warning you to,
you know, back off. But you could. But again, these
creatures are so intelligent that it wouldn't surprise me if
it's smiling at you to freak you out, you know
what I mean. So it could be a smile. I guess.
Speaker 3: Well, like you said, I mean, you might be right
about that. I might be right. Who knows, It's really
hard to say. I will tell you this though, I
have had a dog actually smile at me before, and
it was one of the creepiest things. My cousin this
was about thirty forty years ago, now, I guess over
forty years ago. My cousin had a blue tick, I'm sorry,
a yellow tick. And I went up in petitor. I'd
never met her before. I was just bending over and
I was scrunching under her neck, and next thing I know,
she shows me all of her teeth. But it looked
different than a dog bearing its teeth. Something about it
was different. But it was just creepy, freaky looking. So
I went over to him and I told him about
what I had just seen, and he said, yeah, that's so.
And so she was smiling at you. She has a
reputation for doing that. It's I can't even words, can't
do it any justice. But it was the freakiest thing
I've seen she actually did. She moved her up her lips,
so for a dog, it looked like a smile. Never
seen that since, but that was just the creepiest thing.
Speaker 1: Holy cow, Yeah, that's wild. And I've never in all
the years I've dealt with dogs and stuff, had anything
like that happened. That's pretty unique. I guess for that,
maybe for that breed. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. She was wagging her tail and
clearly happy, just yeah, smiling, I guess you could say.
And she was looking me right in the eye with
this kind of wait for your response type look. I
guess that's the best way you could put it, because
that's the first thing I did was look into her
eyes to see what I could see about her mindset,
and it was just creepy. Holy cow, make the heir
in your butt stand up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's new to me, that's for sure. Absolutely, So
maybe I am wrong. I don't I don't want to
backpedal on what I just said. But nobody knows for sure.
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al well, please tell us about this most recent encounter.
Now give us a relast detail that comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Okay, Monday, we had a storm blow through. I live
in the Hudson Valley in New York State. We had
a storm blow through. So Tuesday was my day off,
and I went around the yard and I picked up
all the sticks and everything that came down off the trees.
Right now, in my town, we have a non burn
thing going on. We can't burn during the day. But
they didn't say anything about fire pits that night. So
what I did was I picked up all the sticks
that were in the yard because I wanted to cut
the grass on Sunday, and I threw them all. I
threw them all in the fire pit, and I figured,
you know what, I'll get rid of them tonight. I'll
do a fire pit. I'll sit outside with the hose
and listen to the Yankee game and have a beer
and just chill out, you know. So I did that.
I was out in the backyard and I was and
I had my pistol group shot done with me because
recently we've had black bears coming down out of the
woods and looking in the back door, and one of
the bears ripped open my neighbor's retaining wall because he
had to be hive in it or something, you know.
And so I'm sitting by the fire pit and I
don't have my backyard set up yet. It's like I
do in the summer with the tiki torches and the
and the bug lamps. And I have an orange lamp
that I have that sits on the gazebo over the fire,
over the gas grill. I usually have that on. So
I'm just sitting out there in dark, and I had
my shotgun, but my shotgun has one hundred luma flesh
light on it. The pistol grip has a hundred loum
of flesh light. And I'm sitting out there listening to
the game and watching the fire burn. And it was
around nine o'clock, I would say it was late late
innings of the game. And I heard all this commotion
coming down out of the woods behind my house. I
have one hundred acres of woods that used to be
all apple orchards, and when the apples fall from the trees,
we had a lot of deer that come through these woods.
And I know for a fact we've had big foots
coming through here well across the street from my house.
I have one hundred acres of wetlands, so you know,
I'm pretty used to the sasas watches coming by. But
later in the year when the apples are on the
trees and stuff like that. But I'm sitting outside and
I hear all this commotion in the woods and it
sounds like two bulldozers were coming down the hill. And
something is screaming to high heaven, just a scream that
I've never heard before, and it's something is screaming for
its life. And I'm sitting in my yard and I
turned on the flash light because I hear something coming
down the hill. And my neighbor to the right of me,
he has a fire pit is in the shape of
a half octagon. It's all made out of cinder block.
It's at least six seven feet high. And I'm hearing
something run up the cement blocks, so I shine the
light over at the cement blocks to see what's there.
And I see this raccoon run up this tiny little
skinny tree, and then right behind it, I see this
dog man grab the skinny tree and start shaking it.
At that point, the raccoon jumps over to the next tree,
which is about the same size, maybe seven inches in
diameter all the way around. Not big ones, you know, saplings,
but they're up there. They're up there about I would say,
twenty five thirty feet tall, you know, even though they're
skinny and I'm looking at this dog man, it doesn't
even know I'm there. It's it's totally oblivious to when
it reaches up to the tree that the raccoon is on,
and the raccoon is climbing to the top, and it starts.
It first started to shake the tree, and then it
grabbed the tree and it started to pull the tree down,
bending the tree over, almost like in an arch kind
of shape. So I got up and I walked over
very quietly. I walked over and when it turned around,
cause the whole time it was shaking a tree and
pulling a tree down, it had its back to me.
But then it turned around to face the raccoon, and
it was like pulling the tree down hand over hand.
And at that point it's facing me and it's the
tree is bent down. I don't know if the creature
is standing on the ground or if the tree has
lifted it off the ground, because I'm only seen from
midwaist up because the wall is so high, and I'm
looking at this thing and it's pulling, and I'm looking
at the raccoon, and the raccoon is screaming for its life.
And I looked back at this creature and the light
hits it in the eyes, and it's as it's pulling
this tree down hand over hand. Time has slowed down.
Vic It's surreal. I can't I can't emphasize that enough.
It's like time has slowed down. And this thing looks
at me and subconsciously, I don't know if it's muscle memory.
I don't know if it's uh, what do you call that?
Fight or flight? But I cocked the gun and I
put him around in the chamber. Now, the thought of
shooting it never crossed my mind. I never had a
conscious thought of I should put around in the chamber.
But my arm just cock that gun naturally. I don't
know where that came from. I wasn't thinking of doing it,
but it did. And the minute it heard that sound, click, click,
it looked at me and it let go of the tree.
And what I thought the tree was going to bounce
straight back up, the tree never went back up. The
tree is still bent over in the arch position. And
I ran over to the fire pit because I heard
it take off up the woods. And when I ran
over to the side of the fire pit, I'm in
my yard, but I'm towards I'm on the back end
of the fire pit. I'm flashing the flashlight up into
the woods, and the crazy thing I've ever seen, this
creature ran directly up, ran directly up the woods north,
up the woods on two legs, never went down on
all fours, and it's serpentimed going up the hill. And
I couldn't get over the fact that this creature was
surpentime going up the hill. I was like, I can't
believe because I'm seeing the leaves move from my left
and I'm hearing I'm hearing all these leaves and sticks break,
and then it's going to the right and I'm hearing
sticks and branches break to the right, and I'm seeing
branches moving. And it did this all the way up
the hill as far as my one hundred lima fleshlight
could shine. And I was just dumbfounded by that fact
that this creature knew what I was doing. When I
loaded down gun, when I put around in the chamber,
and it knew enough to run but to serpentine, but
it never went down to all fours. It ran leaning
over because it was running up hill. And it may
have even been using its front arms to pull itself
up the mountain as it was going that I couldn't tell,
but it was just mind boggling. And then I looked
at the raccoon on the on the tree and he's
just ending here looking at me, screaming like he was
just shocked. And I walked back to the fire pit
and I put the fire out, and I think the
Yankee game was even over at that point. I don't
you know what I mean, I kind of lost track
of the game. And I put the fire out. I
covered the pits so no ashes would blow around or
any air wind would start the fire back up. And
I went inside and my wife came out of the
bedroom and she's like, what's going on out the hair?
A lot of screaming because she's in the bedroom watching
TV and the bedroom window faces the backyard so she
can hear all that. Plus she has all kinds of
animals out here that she feeds, foxes and deers and birds.
We have four cats that have heated cat houses. We
have a skunks, we have possums, we have raccoons, we
have turkeys during the day. We have everything. And we
have a black bear now too, apparently. And she came
out and she said, what was all that noise, you know?
And I was like, no, it was nothing, you know.
And I'm unloading the shopgun and she goes, what's wrong
with you? And I was like, no, nothing's wrong with me.
You know, I'm okay. And then I did something that
was totally out of character for me. I went to
the liquor cabin and I poured a shot whiskey and
she's like, you're having a shot at Jamison And I go, yeah,
I feel like a shot at Jamerson, but you never drink.
And I was like, I feel like a shot, so
I'm going to have a shot. So I had a
shot at Jamerson because in my head, I'm still trying
to wrap my brain around everything that just happened. Meanwhile,
having a conversation with her, you know, and I don't
want to tell her what I just experienced because I
don't want her to be afraid to go into her
own yard, you know what I mean. And it was
just it was just so surreal, Like it was like
the following day, when I got home from work, I
went over to my neighbor's fire pit, I took pictures
of it. I took pictures of my fire pit. I
took pictures of his fire pit to show you what
I was dealing when I showed took pictures of the
of the Mosburg Cystol Grip five hundred, and I went
over to just to look at the fire pit, and
not thinking that the tree wouldn't be back up the
way it was when it started today, you know. I
thought it would be perfectly straight up and down like
the other sapling that it ran up originally. But the
tree never went back to its original position. It's higher
now than it was when the creature was on it
pulling it down, you know, but it's still in an
arch position. And I took a picture of it just
to show you what I was looking at, and like
the thought never crossed my mind and it would still
be that way, you know, because it's sapling. I just
figured it would bounce right back up, spring right back up.
But I don't know, I guess the torque of the
weight of this creature pulling it, pulling down on it,
just destroyed it on the inside. I guess, I don't know.
It's just mind boggling. And you know, I was talking
to friends about it and they were like, oh, you
should have shot it, And I was like, I'm not
going to go to war with these things? Are you
out of your mind? I'm not shooting it. First of all,
all I have in the gun is double odd buck.
I don't have any slugs in the gun, you know,
because the gun is set up for home defense. Really,
you know, I just figured if the bear was out there,
I'd shoot it into the trees and just the noise alone,
they would run away, never thinking that I was going
to run into a cryptid, you know, especially a dog man.
And I was like, no, no, I said, no, I
wouldn't have shot at it. First of all, if I
would have shot at it, it's double odd buck. In
half of the buck shot would have hit the cement wall.
It's in the block wall, you know what I mean.
I would have got the creature with a couple of
bbi's or something, but that's about it. And I said,
then it would have killed me, you know, or even
if it would have ran off wounded. It would have
been maybe it would have came back with a whole
pack of them. I don't know. I'm not going to
do that. Plus I told my friend I was talking to,
I was like, did you forget about the story about
the men in black? Do you think I want to
deal with them again at my own house? Absolutely not.
I just it was just such a surreal thing to
experience because it was the furthest thing from my mind
when I was out there. You know, I was more
concerned with the black bear coming down and creeping up
on me, because if it comes down out of the
woods on all floors, it's going to be loaded aground.
And it was so dark that night, it was overcast,
and all I had was the firepig going and't have
anything set up. And I'd even you have my fifteen
hundred little flesh light that I usually take out with
me with me the night, because I knew I had
the one hundred luma on the gun and I would
just use that, not expecting to ever have to use
the gun, you know, you know what I mean. So
it was just so surreal. The whole thing was absolutely surreal,
just and it all went down like in slow motion,
you know. And even when I got close to it,
even though it ran away, you know, up the woods,
I got so close to that fire pit, I must got.
At one point, I was maybe five feet from that
raccoon up up in the tree, you know, and he
was looking at me, screaming at me, and I was like,
just don't jump down on my head. You know. It
was just just surreal. And I don't even know when
that raccoon came down off that tree, because when I
got back to the fire pit and I put it out,
and I shut the radio walls and I packed everything up,
you know, and I did everything like I normally did.
I didn't leave the hose out or you know, let
the fire ground. I made sure the fire was out.
I cut over it so there wouldn't be any uh
things flying away in the night starting fires anywhere. You know.
I was very concerned with that, and I rolled up
the holes. I did everything like I normally did to
try to keep myself in a normal state of mind
without you know, being too overwhelmed by what just happened.
Speaker 3: Never a dull moment, huh. I'll tell you what, if
you want to have some excitement, hang around with this
man because sooner or later, excitement's going to happen. That's
a guaranteed thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I can't get my wife or my son
to come out with me. I don't believe anything I say.
The funny thing is I'm always going out with other individuals,
you know, so I always have people to validate what
we've experienced, you know. And the last few times I've
gone out, like the last time I went out, and
I want my cousin Sean, and I was like, you know,
in sure, it's a twenty year old kid. I was like, listen,
if you don't believe me, you gotta believe Sean. You know,
he's a twenty year old kid. Why would he lie
about what we experienced, you know? And and like my
wife's like, oh, I got better things to do than
sit in the woods beaten by bugs. And my son's like, yeah,
I don't know. Thanks, I'll pass. But meanwhile, they just
kill me when I when I when I talk about
my experiences, I don't believe a word I'm saying. I
was like, it's so frustrating not to have your family
members support you like that, you know.
Speaker 3: Oh, sure, it's really frustrating. It's bad enough when you
have one encounter with a dog me in and your
family members don't believe you, but you've had a multitude
of them and they still don't believe you. So that's
got to be frustrating. I'm wondering, though, do you have
any concerns about her safety when you consider the fact
that she doesn't believe you, doesn't believe that a dog
mean might be outside.
Speaker 1: No, because first of all, she never goes in the
yard at night, you know what I mean, that's not
her thing. She won't even sit by the fire pick
because again, it's too buggy, that's my thing. So she
doesn't really spend much time in the yard at night.
And if she did, I have a feeling that she
would just say the dog man or the sasquatch or
whatever she's seen, she would just say it was a bear,
because that's in her her mind. That would be the
only way she could justify what she's seen and not
freak her out so much where she wouldn't be able
to sleep at night, because bears are bears, and there's
nothing you know, everybody, everybody knows bears exist. But I
don't think she would recognize it for what it is.
I think she would file it away in the back
and think it was she would put it. She would
she would relate it to something that she can relate to,
like a bear, a black bear or something. That's what
I think would happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that might be a good thing, because unfortunately some
people just can't hear having a dog meaning encounter in
sounds to me like your wife just might be one
of those people. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I mean, she believes in the paranormal and
everything else, ghosts and aliens, and but she just she
won't wrap her mind around cryptids. She just she just
refuses to wrap her mind around cryptids, and until she
actually has one standing in front of her, she's not
gonna believe it. And even then, I swear I don't
think she would believe it then, you know what I mean.
So it is what it is. I just do what
I do. You know, I just go on with my life.
I go out with my out with my relatives or
my friends, and I do my investigations. But again, I
don't go looking for the dog man anymore. I stay
away from the dog man. It's just no reason to
put yourself in harms way. You know. Not that I
think they're bloodthirsty animals, I don't, But I think there's
a psychology that they use that is so disrupting to
the human mind that I think it freaks people out
more that way for a longer period of time than
if they just you know, to clawed somebody and the
scars healed, you know what I mean. I think they
do more damage psychologically than physically. You know.
Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately that's what they're out to do. Like I said,
they really do know to push our buttons. Their masters
at it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they are. And I believe they feed off our fear.
I truly do believe that. There's no doubt in my mind.
I believe they feed off our fear.
Speaker 3: Now, I believe it. I think you're right. Before that
raccoon and the dog met me, their presence known to you,
did you ever notice any foul smells or dropping the
ambient noises around you.
Speaker 1: I don't remember any foul smells, But there were times
when everything goes silent back here. Yeah, O, you know,
because I spend a lot of time in the yard
at night during the spring in the fall, when I
got the firepit going. I like to sit outside and
listen to you know, sports and stuff and have a
cold beer. And there are times when the everything gets quiet,
and you know when that happens. And again I'm not
saying I'll ever smoke anything nasty. No, I don't remember.
But again, you know, we have mountain lions up here,
we have bobcats, we have black bear, we have predators.
So could it just be a regular known predator walking
through the woods and everything gets quiet? Absolutely? You know.
Like I said, I've been in the backyard with the
firepit going when the sasquatches walk by. And the funny
thing is that they can walk by maybe twenty five
feet away from me and not make a sound. But
sometimes they march through like I heard the elephants, so
they want me to know they're there. There's even my
neighbor has one of those aluminum sheds where you have
put this lawn mower and stuff, and every now and
again they'll bang on the shed to let me know
they're walking by, you know, and then you hear them
walk past. I don't see them because there's so much
foliage in my far backyard, the second half of my
backyard that you know, them being dark to begin with
and the light not getting through that foliage. You just
you hear them if they want you to hear them,
and you hear them walk by, you know, and they do.
And sometimes I'll wake up in the morning and they'll
be like a quartz crystal stone on my fire pit.
My fire pit's red brick. Where did they find this
quartz crystal stone at you know what I mean? And
they leave me a gift just to say, hey, we
came by today. And then I usually take that gift
and I bring it back to their location and I
leave it back there for them. You know, it goes
back and forth. But yeah, no, I mean I've known
when the sasquatch has gone by just you could feel
the energy if you know they're there. You know, you
could feel the energy and you know they're going by,
and it's not a big deal. I've never been scared
out of my yard in the middle of the night,
even when all the crickets and everything stopped making noise.
You know, I've never been scared out of my yard.
I've never And it was like never. Never put the
fire out and ran inside thinking that you know, a
mountain lion is going to come charging out through the
woods or a black bear or a pack of wolves
or something, you know what I mean. Now, never been
scared out of my yard. I've been in thirty years,
and uh, there's never been scared out of my yard.
And I'm not going to let anything scare me out
of my own yard.
Speaker 3: You know, got to give it to you. You don't
frighten easily.
Speaker 1: Well, you know. I mean, I mean, if I go
out there and I'm not feeling anything, and then the
energy changes of the of the yard changes and I
get like a vibe that hmm, you know, maybe I'm
being hunted. I'll come inside and I'll take out I
got a lot of guns, you know what I mean.
I'm a gun guy. I got a lot of guns.
I'll take out one of my guns and I'll sit
in the yard with my gun, you know, even if
it's just a nine millimeter or some pistol, you know,
just something to defend myself with. But I don't let
anything chase me out now. I'm not letting and you're
not chasing me out of my own yard. And if
I need to go to a bigger caliber, I could
always go bigger, you know, so, but I've never shot
anything in my yard either.
Speaker 3: So I'm glad you've never needed to.
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not no.
Speaker 3: How people, is that tree that dogged me and pulled
down at its.
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't really go back behind my neighbor's fire
pit to measure it, But like I said, I would say,
no bigger than eight inches. It's circumference. No bigger than that,
and that's the biggest I think it would be. But
I'm saying between six and eight inches. Yeah, it wasn't
a big tree by any stretching imagination. You know. We
got some big maples back here, you know, but nothing
like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sixty eight inch diameter trees not a big one.
But that still takes a lot of strength to bend
it over in bullet the way that dog man did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, you know, And like iain, again, like I said,
I'm surprised at being such a young tree that it
didn't bounce back up and you know, head for the
skies against straight up. That has still stayed in that position.
So whenever it did when it pulled it down, it
must have damaged, you know, really bad.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't understand that with a tree like that,
I would expect it to either break or to snap
back up straight if it's healthy. I don't understand why
it would have both the way it did unless the
top had been pinned to the ground. So yeah, that's
hard to understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I don't understand it either. Believe me. I
was shocked when it went over there yesterday to get
fitches for you, and I seen it was. I mean, again,
it's much higher now than it was when he was
pulling down on it, you know what I mean. It
was a lot lower to the ground. But maybe it's
working its way back up. I don't know, but it's
it wasn't back up. I wouldn't have expected it to
sling shot right back up, you know, maybe even thrown
that raccoon further into one of the other neighbor's yards,
you know, like a catapult. But no, it didn't budge.
Speaker 3: Really, Yeah that's what you would expect. Yeah, when that
dogged me and looked at you, what did you see
in this face? Fear or something else?
Speaker 1: I seen shock, Like he didn't expect me to be there. Now.
I don't know if he didn't see the fire through
all the leaf canopy and leaf all the leaves all
the shrubs and everything I have in my backyard. You know, again,
I'm not talking a big bonfire either. It was just
all small sticks and brambles kind of stuff that I
had picked up off the ground that I didn't want
to run over with the lawnmower, you know. So it
wasn't It wasn't like I was setting the fire pit
up for a real fire. But I was setting the
fire put up. For a real fire pit, I would
have had three solid logs in there, and the flames
would have been up five feet high six feet high.
You know. This was just small stuff like kindling kind
of stuff, you know. Or maybe he just didn't see it,
I don't know. Or maybe he was just so focused
in or maybe he didn't see it because he was
in my neighbor's yard and that firepit wall is so big,
you know, it's cinder block wall, and maybe he didn't
see it because of the cinder block wall. I don't know.
I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it is all we can do is
guess about that. We're never gonna know.
Speaker 1: He had like a shocked look on my face when
when he turned around to pull the tree down, because
originally he was pulling it down backwards. He was like
backing up, and then he spun around to look at
the raccoon and pull it down that way. And when
he spun around the flesh I hit him in the face,
and he was like shocked to see me there, like
what are you doing here?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: It wasn't He didn't look happy, It didn't look mad.
He was just looked like he was shocked.
Speaker 5: I got the expression I had on my face, you
know what I mean. I don't know what my face
looked like when I seen him. You know, my mouth
could have been wide open, like holy crap, what am
I looking that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like I said, it was surreal
and everything went into like slow motion and it just
didn't feel it didn't feel real. It didn't.
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure it didn't. Yeah, I don't doubt that
at all. How far was he standing from your radio,
the radio where you said you were listening to the
Yankees game?
Speaker 1: How far was I from the radio? Now?
Speaker 3: How far was the dog man at that point when
it turned and looked at you with that shocked expression?
How far was he standing from your radio?
Speaker 1: From my radio to where he was has to be
minimum of sixty seventy.
Speaker 3: Feet sixty seventy feet And it wasn't all that windy
out that night. Was it pretty calm?
Speaker 1: You know? It was. It was a calm night. It
was just overcast and dark, you know, And I had
the game on, but I didn't, you know, it wasn't
like I had the blasting. I just because my neighbors
are so close to me. I have neighbors on either
side of me, and one of them is an older
gentleman and the other couple are young kids. They just
moved in and they both worked, so I didn't. I mean,
it wasn't late, it was only like nine o'clock. But
I didn't have the I didn't have the radio allowed.
You know. It wasn't like I was listening to, you know,
Jimmy Andrews playing the Star Spangled Batner or something. You know.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, and I understand. Yeah, you're a nice guy,
and I wouldn't expect you to have it blasting. But
considering how keen they're hearing is, I'm surprised he didn't
hear it even though he was that far away. But
then again, he probably was so focused on that swamp kitty.
The raccoon that he didn't pay it any attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sound like the trick when I tell you,
it sound like two bulldozers coming down the woods, just
trash into the woods. I was like, what's going on?
And this thing was screaming at the top of its lungs.
I'd never heard a scream like that before. I didn't
know what it was. That's why I got up to
start walking over to see what it was, because, you know,
I thought maybe the black bear was chasing one of
my wife's cats or something, you know, And so then
I would have put around up into the trees to
scare it away. But never I never heard a raccoon
make that kind of noise before, you know. And it
wasn't really making any noise. It wasn't growling, it wasn't howling,
it wasn't whooping. It was just chasing, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sounds like it was just locked on that raccoon.
That would explain a lot, it really would, you said,
the dog me and went up the hill in a
serpentine fashion. When they did that, though, did it look
awkward or did it look like it had done that before?
Speaker 1: No, it looked it looked very natural vic It looked
like it was natural. Like I said, I don't know
if it was. I know it was leaning forward, so
I don't if it was using its arms to pull
itself up off up the hill as well, you know
what I mean. But it never went down to all fours,
you know, like a dog. It didn't look like a
dog runner And it was serpentine. And that's what really
I think one in anything. When I came in the house,
I couldn't get passed that the thought of seeing it
do that. I was just dumbfounded by the fact that
it's serpentined up the hill. You know, to me, that
just rings intelligence, Like what kind of intelligence does this
creature have that it knew the shotgun was a gun
and the best way to get away from it is
to serpentine and stay low.
Speaker 3: Well, unfortunately they're too smart for their own good. That's
a given there.
Speaker 1: They're probably other than us, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, do you have any
concerns about reprisals now that dog man saw you wreck
that shotgun?
Speaker 1: No, because you know I never I never pointed to gun.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess I did have the gun point at
that because I had the flesh light pointed at and
that was at the end of the gun. But I
never pulled the trigger, you know what I mean, not
even as it was running away. It didn't blast one
over its head or anything like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I never pulled the trigger, Like I said, Vic,
The thought never crossed my mind to chamber around it.
Just my arm just did it on its own. I
just don't know what made my arm do that. It
must have been a fight or flight kind of thing,
I guess. I don't know, man muscle memory. I don't
know why I did it because I wasn't thinking about
shooting the creature.
Speaker 3: Oh sure you your mind was on autopilot, so you
can't be folded for anything like.
Speaker 1: That that you did.
Speaker 3: You had another experience last fall, Please tell us spot it.
Speaker 1: Okay. My cousin Sean and I went to my sacred
site for an investigation. It was that particular day it
was I believe it was Halloween or it was two
maybe it was two falls ago. I don't remember exactly,
but it was. I think it was Halloween and it
was a full moon, and I think there was either
a solar eclipse that day or a lunar eclipse. I
don't remember, but I remember there was a full moon
that night, and normally I wrote a roll down because
so much crap happened. But normally when we go to
the Sacred Site, I'm there for the sasquatches or anything
that may come in, because my Sacca claims that the
Sacred Site is a interdimensional doorway and everything comes through.
And you know, I'm basically up there measuring, doing all
kinds of measurements with frequency and vibration and stuff like that.
I'm not really there for photographs or video or anything
like that, you know. I mean, I got all the
stuff going, but I'm there more as a research to
see how the energy changes on nights like that when
there's a solar eclipse and a full moon and stuff
like that. And then I like to incorporate stuff in
to see how me incorporating stuff in makes the energies
change as well. But anyway, it's three mile hike in
and then a mile a mile hike straight up the
mount off trail, and whenever I go, I never ever
think about the dog Man on the east side of
the woods. At the dog Man then, because I'm not
there for the dog Man. I have a deal with
the dog Man. You stay at your house, I'll stay
at mine. We've made that agreement. It's been five years now.
I think we haven't invented each other's locations. So anyway,
we're going up the hill and we're off trail, and
as I'm going up the mountain, the thought crosses my mind,
I wonder if that dog Man is still in that
if they're still using that den on the other side
of the woods. I don't know why crossed my mind.
I don't know why that thought came in my mind.
I never think of the dog Man when I'm at
the Sasquash location, but that particular day that happened. On
the way up the mountain. We get to the top
of the mountain, we drop our packs. We got everything
in our packs. We don't even get started, and the
dog Man screams from the other side of the woods.
He lets out a screen that was so intense that
my cousin and I are fumbling for our phones to
record it because that's the only thing we have to
record because everything is still in our backpacks. We just
literally got there, and as we're recording him screaming, a
pack of coyotes go off, and it's a big pack.
If sounds like there's thirty of them in the pack.
And the coyotes go off, and in the middle of
all of the coyotes going off, the dog man goes
off again. And you can hear him in the middle
of all of them, because he's much louder and deeper
than the coyotes. And I turned to my cousin and
I said, he just let me know that he's still there.
I told my cousin, said, Sean, I had this thought
on the way up. I said, I don't know why
I had it, but no, sooner did we get to
the high plateau with the Sacred Side, is he goes off.
I said, I'm telling you that that was for me.
He's letting me know, Yeah, I'm still here. Don't come
to my den tonight. So we hunkered down the coyotes
CD and I got the recording, I think, I said
to tell you, and we hunk it down and we
do all our stuff and we're we're really into it,
and it's you know, the full moon has got me
all amped up and I don't want to go home.
I got to be honest, which I probably wasn't left
until dawned because I was so wound up with the
energy from the full moon. And my cousin showing his
freezing his butt off. He's a skinny little kid, you know.
I mean he's tall, he's like six', five but he's,
skinny and he's, like, yo CAUs can we? Go i'm?
Freezing AND i just started to. LAUGHING i was, like,
yeah of course we could. Go we've been in the
woods for like twelve. Hours we could, go no. Problem
and we pack up our. Stuff and it was funny
because right after the dog man went, off my cousin
said to, me my cousin has never experienced the dog
man or anything like that, before and he, says do
we have to worry about him coming up? Here AND
i was, like, no this is the sad squatch part
of the. Woods the dog man doesn't come up. Here
AND i don't think AND i don't know if The
bigfoots go to the Dog man's side of the, woods
BUT i don't think we have to worry about him
coming up, here you. Know and we were there for
like twelve, hours and you, know we never had any
dog being. Experience after the. Screams so we pack up
all our. Gear it's two thirty in the morning, whatever
and we start hiking out and we get down off
of the high. Plateaul we get back onto The Appalachian
trail and we're on a little, hill maybe a fifty
foot hill on a forty five degree. Angle and we get,
there and now we're on The we're on the appalation
shell and we start to hike out along the. Lake
there's a fifty two acre lake, there and we start
to hike out along the lake and it's part of
the trail is like a goat. Trail it's really, sketchy
it's really. Dangerous and no sooner do we come down
off that little, hill AND i mean literally hit the
bottom of that hill and we start to go straight
along the. Lake the dog man is there behind, us
and he screams. AGAIN i mean he screams so. Loud
Now i'm in front Of. SEAN i got a big
fifty pound pack on my. Back sean's got a fifty
pound pack on his, back and this scream goes Through
sean through his. Backpack throw my backpack and throw. ME
i turn around AND i look At sean and his
eyes are as big as. Sauces and he looks at
me and he, goes dog. MAN i, go dog, man
and he. TURNS i, said let's turn. Around let's look for.
It we got very high powered headlamps. On they shoot
like seven hundred. Feet they're, very very, powerful and they
go from flood to. Spot SO i, said turn you
headlamp on. Flood let's get as much light as we
can on the. Area now we both are looking at
the top of that little hill right where we came
down off of the high, plateau because that's where we
felt the screen come. From this little hill is no
further than fifty feet away from. Us if this dog
man wanted, to he could have jumped off that hill
and took us boat. Down but instead he, screamed and
we're looking and we don't see, anything and we're looking
on the side of the. Mountain maybe he jumped off
the side of the mountain and he's hiding in a.
Crevice we don't see. Anything, well there's up here in the.
Northeast we have these ancient stone walls that run in
all different directions that people claim that their property. Markers
BUT i don't think, so because sometimes they run parallel
to one another ten feet, apart AND i don't know
who would build these walls like that at two from.
Parallel but we're looking at the wall up, there and
you know mcause the shun, says do you want to
go up and? See And i'm, like absolutely. NOT i
have no desire to go up there and look for
the dog. Man you, Know i'm not going up there.
Now the thought never crossed me my mind at the.
Time BUT i did have another researcher say to, me
at what makes you think the dog man? Left maybe
he just went into like an is a busily cloath
and he was still there watching. You and that thought
never crossed my mind at that. Time you, KNOW i
thought he was hiding from, Us So i'm not going
up the hill looking for. Him SO i thought it Was,
sean come, on we're gonna hike out of. Here we
got to get to The we got to get to
the mining. Road the mining road is the only way,
out and WE i told, HIM i, said we're not
going to stop tonight for any any uh, breaks for
water or bathroom, breaks BECAUSE i don't want him flanking
us and then us having to fight our way out of.
Here there's only one way. Out let just keep. Moving
now we're four miles in and the car is another
half a mile away from the front of the. Park and,
uh and she Wanted my cousin was, like, listen cause
if you have to take that pack off your back
given to, Me i'll carry it for. You he's twenty years,
old you, know as strong as our. Ox AND i was, like, no,
NO i THINK i. THINK i Know i'm old and broken,
down BUT i THINK i can do it. Right and
we hike, out and we hike, out and we can
feel the door man behind. Us we can feel, him
feel his energy pushing us. Out AND i don't like
the feeling of him pushing us out BECAUSE i don't
know where he. Is And showing is a very sensitive kid,
too he has abilities and he can feel it, Too
AND i said to, him you better pull your machete.
OUT i don't like the fact that it's behind us
and it's pushing us. Out so we pulled out our
machetes and we're walking with, arms and we got our
head lamps on and we have ten inch survival nins
and we have pepper spray and. Stuff but the machete
is our main, weapon and we're. Hiking we make it
to the mining. Road we're hiking out and we get
to the mining, road and there's where the mouth of
the lake. Starts is usually where the sasquatch hurt us out,
to and then they turn around and go. BACK i
don't know if this if the dogman is going to
do the same, thing if he's going to turn around
at the mouth of the lake or. Not but from
the mouth of the lake to the, car we're still
a mile and a half. Away it's still a, walk you.
Know so as we're. Walking as we're, walking we got
our head lamps, on we got our heads on the.
Swivel and at one POINT i see yellow eyeshine at
the two o'clock at the two o'clock, hour it's to my.
RIGHT i, Say, sean what do you see at the
two o'clock? Hour and you're, right he, SAYS i see yellow.
Eyeshine i'm, like oh, man this is no, good you. Know,
Now i'm thinking this thing is going to come, out
and it's already flanked, us and it's ahead of, us.
Speaker 2: And now we're going to have to fight our way
out of, here you. Know so again pull out our,
machetes and he, goes, well maybe it's just a. DEER i, said,
well we'll find out the closer we, get because the
closer we get to, it if it's a, deer it'll
turn and run.
Speaker 1: Away you, know it'll high tail its way out. Here you,
go see the white tail go up and run. Away,
well we're getting closer and. Closer this thing is not,
moving and it's pretty. TALL i, mean like the eye
shed is a it's six feet. Tall And i'm, like,
man this is the. Biggest if this is a, deer
it's the biggest Deer i've ever. Seen and then all
of a, sudden the eye shine starts moving out towards,
us towards the towards the mining, road and he's comes
out on the mining road AND i stop, showing AND
i was, like we, stop and this giant buck is
standing in front of us with these yellow eyes and
he's got the biggest set of horns on it you
ever seen in your. Life and it's standing in front
of us and it looks like a super. Deer it's
the biggest DEER i ever seen in my. Life and
it's looking at us and we're looking at, it and
the look in its eyes is like it wants to
tell us. Something And i'm telling you vic something, happened
because at that, moment we forgot all about the dog
man behind, us and we're trying to figure out what
this creature in front of us. Is Number, one is
it really a? Deer are we looking at an alien
putting the deer image in our? Minds what are we
dealing with? Here you, know it's not a deer because
it didn't run. Away it Ran it came out towards.
Us so we're looking and we're. Laughing me And sean
are laughing, hysterical like what is this because it feels
like it's trying to talk to us, telepathically but we're
not tuned into its. Frequency neither one of us are
picking it. Up SO i, said, looks keep, walking you,
know maybe it'll. Move and as we start, walking it
moves past us because on the other side of the,
road like it's going to go up the trail in
the east in different. Direction then it stops and it
comes back out like it's forgot to tell us. Something
and it's like And i'm literally two feet away FROM
i could pet its, nose and we're looking at this,
thing AND i can't tell you how strange. Is SO
i can't emphasize how strange this is Because sean AND
i went from worrying about the dog man following us
out to this, thing, laughing, hysterical not trying to figure
out what this thing. Is so eventually it moves. On
we get to the, Car we call my psychic. Immediately
as soon as we get to the car two thirty
in the, morning three, O'CLOCK i wake her. UP i was,
LIKE i explained to her what, happened and she tells
me it wasn't a. Deer it was a guardian of the,
woods and it was there to let you guys pass
and to turn that dog man. Around AND i was, like,
well what was, it because if it was just a
flesh and blood big, Buck i'm sure that dog man
could have tore her. Apart and she, said, al because
you've seen a big buck doesn't mean it was the
same thing the dog man was. Saying she was, All
i'm telling, you it was a guardian of the woods
and it was. Dead let you, pass and you guys.
Passed and we went home and we talked about it
the whole ride, home and it was just the craziest
night in the. World and we found we actually, found
uh sat watch a nest up in the woods that.
NIGHT i think that was the reason why we were
supposed to be there and, uh but that proof to
me that that dog man is still in that still
using that den in the swamp on the east side
of the. Woods and NOW i know WHEN i go back,
THERE i don't go to the east side of the.
WOODS i stay on the west side because NOW i,
know BECAUSE i BECAUSE i got to be honest with,
you my curiosity was kind of driving me to go
back to the den to see if it was still being,
used you, know BUT i WAS i was hesitant BECAUSE
i didn't want it coming back to my. House but
NOW i know it's still, THERE i don't have to
go to the. Den and that was just a crazy.
Night And sean was, like he'll never forget that. Night
that was just. Crazy and we both got the, recording
so he says he'll have that for the rest of
his life. Now so it was a wild. Night it's
just absolutely.
Speaker 3: Insane, Oh i'm sure he won't forget. That did he
ever put the heat on you to take him back?
Speaker 1: There sean has been back there with me before that.
Experience he had been back there with me three or
four times. Already so we've experienced a lot of crazy stuff,
there from skinwalkers to wind, degoes to, rakes to, aliens
you name, that we've experienced it at that. Location and
he's experienced everything with. Me we've gone two haunted houses
together and done, investigations and we've had spirits run through
me then run through, him and you, know he freaked
out the first time the spirit ran through. Him it was,
Like oh my, God i'm just ran through you. Know
And i'm laughing hysterical because that it's just gone through,
ME i. Know and he experienced a lot with, me
but it is what he experienced it in a few
short years of hanging out with, me he experienced a
lifetime of paramormal.
Speaker 3: Activity it sure sounds like he. Has, yeah you've had
so many experiences. There how do you find out about
the sacred site in where it was?
Speaker 1: Located, well ORIGINALLY i had been taking my dog there for,
years hiking The Appalachian trail with my son when my
son was small and the dog was. Young it was
just a nice place to go for a day. Hike you.
Know and then one DAY i heard my neighbors talking
to a couple of local guys who were coon, hunters
and they were talking about they were there one night
coon hunting and they had a couple of redbone hounds
and they were out there on coon hunting off The
Appalachian trail because technically you can't hunt on the park
because it's a federal. Park you can hunt off The Appllation.
Trail and they were having rocks thrown at, him thinking
it was kids partying in the, woods you, know and
they told that they would they they thought they were
talking to, kids, saying, hey if you, know stop throwing
rocks at, us we're gonna send sick the dogs on.
You and the rocks kept, coming so they sicked the
dogs on, him but the dogs went like halfway turned
around and ran back past, them you. Know and when
another rock came, out one of the guys put around
into the tree and he, said like seven foot sasquatch
stepped out and screamed at. Him AND i heard this,
story you, know BECAUSE i was over my neighbors talking
to him when they came over to tell him the,
story because you, know everybody up here as the big,
hunters you, know And i'm. Listening i'm just he's dropping
to be honest with, you and you tell me where it.
Is so THEN i started researching the, location and you,
know there was a lot of bigfoot experiences off The
Appalation trail, there AND i was, like, WELL i got
to go there and start. Investigating and then hearing all
kinds of stories about UFOs and balls of light and
all kinds of. Stuff and one thing led to, Another
and howd a woman come over From? England she was
a podcaster or, something and she was up here for
The Pine Bush Ufo fair and she's staying at a
friend of mine's house and she was, like how you
got to bring me to this. LOCATE i want to
see the sasquatch struct and we don't have sasquatches In.
England show me a. Structure SO i, said. Okay so
one day after the fair was, over we went out
to the woods. Hiking and we had to drought that,
summer so we were lucky enough to be able to
go into. It it was usually, swamping you, know. Swamp
it was all right out AND i was showing her
this is a junior structure done by a juvenile and
you can see how this is being, made and you
can see here next to it is an adult, structure
and the juveniles are counting the. Adults and the funny
thing is the camera guy is. Filming he puts his
camera down on a log to get out the mosquito,
repellent and we're all talking about the mosquitoes eating us.
Alive and we got a class A evp calling my cameraman's,
name not, once but, twice and which freaked him. Out
and it was a woman's voice. Too so then we
were walking along and we're walking north up The Palatian,
trail and there was a fire in the woods the
winter before and all the all the woods was burnt.
Out and AS i was, Looking i've seen what looked
like a stone carrying up on the. Woods SO i
told the Cameraman billy, said zoom in on, that what's
that up? There you? Know because we had find these
little stone carrons built on like, cliffs like you would
have to be a billy goat to get up. There
and we're, like who's building these little stone karrons up
in these locations that you can't get? To first TIME
i seen It it freaked me. OUT i thought it
was Like, blair which kind of, stuff you. Know and
THEN i did some research AND i seen that their
karns it and THEN i NOTICED i started, researching and
the bigfoots make them. Too so we've seen this look
like a stone structure up on top of the. Mountain
SO i, said we got to get up. There and
the camera, man it's, like how we going to get up,
there it's all burnt, out it's all. TRUCKOL i go follow.
ME i pulled out MY macheti AND i chopped my
way up the top of the. Hill and WHEN i
got to the top of the, hill open top to
a flat, plateau big plateau which had brakes and bends
and arches and twists and all kinds of. Stuff and
we filmed. Everything and it's got these megallithic structures set
up in a giant, circle what hundreds hundreds of little
stones on top of the megallithic, stones you, Know and
it was just the energy of the location was just so.
Calming there was an archway at this. Location And i'm
not a kind of guy that can camp out under the.
Stars it's just a sleeping, bag you. KNOW i need a. Tent,
well that energy at that location was so good THAT
i felt like IF i slept underneath that, arch nothing
would happen to me because the energy was so good,
there you, Know and that's how we found it by.
Speaker 3: Chance, wow here you're taking your dog there for.
Speaker 1: WALKS i walked past that far at the mountain a
million times with the dog because you couldn't see. Anything was,
all you, know foliage all the way. Up but apparently
somebody must lit a fire or there was a lightning
strike or, something but all the woods burnt, out and
it was like, dada, look which you. Know and IF
i didn't see that little stone, STRUCTURED i looked like A.
Cameron to, ME i would have never even gave it
a second. Thought to find that high plateau was just.
Amazing and then to the west of the plateau is
a high ridge, line you. Know AND i made a
deal with The saasquatches THAT i would never go up
the ridge if they come down to see, mean and
they have been every TIME i go up, there they
come down to see, me you. Know SO i just
went up there list two years ago With sean for
the first time BECAUSE i had a telepathic communication with
a White sasasquatch Called alak who claims to be like
a shaman or king, shaman an elder or. Something and
he was waving me up the hill AND i was, like,
NO i can't go up the. HILL i made a
pack with the klan THAT i won't go up to.
Hill and this is, there you, know up to this
ridge brings us over to their to their home. Range
and Ali reck was waving me, up waving, me waving me.
Up SO i talked to my psychic and she, said
all of Al reck is waving you, up you got
to go up because she lives In. Arkansas and he
went to her as, well and then he went To
Chris reinhardt In. Connecticut So chris seen, HIM i seen,
him and my psychic seeing. Him so THEN i went
up the hill With sean and we found all these,
dens Not den's, nest but they were set up Vic
the way they were set up was like. Foxholes they
were set up very. Strategically there wasn't one nest in
the way of another. One you could see east and
west without anything in your, way even if there Were
sasquatches in the nests in front of you or behind.
You they were set up like. Foxholes they were very,
strategic set, up very, strategic and THAT'S i guess that's
what we were up there for that particular. Night, yeah that's.
Speaker 3: Amazing all those times walking right pasted it and you
never would have known what was. There i'm glad you
did find out, Though thank goodness for. That sounds like
a magical, PLACE.
Speaker 1: I, said as it really. Is, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Sure sounds like. It, Well, al we're out of time
before we get out of. HERE i just want to
thank you so much for coming back on as. ALWAYS
i really do appreciate, it and it kind of makes
me wonder where do we go from? Here what's?
Speaker 1: Next Oh, GOD i don't. KNOW i do plan on
getting back out into the woods when the woods dries
out a little. Bit we've been getting a lot of you,
know may rain up here right. Now, so LIKE i,
said those stones and it gets you, know we go
For you go from a nice wide mining road to
like This Appalachian goat, trail which is very very. Sketchy
when the rocks are, wet it is dangerous and you
go down on those, rocks you'll crack your head. Open
you'll need to be airlifted out of, there So i'm
waiting for everything to dry out a little bit BEFORE
i head back. In i'm as young AS i used to,
be you know WHAT i.
Speaker 3: Mean on neither one of us ARE i, understand and
then it'll be hot and drive for you know, it
so you shouldn't have to wait. Long but having said,
that thanks again so much for coming. ON i really
do appreciate, it and have a great.
Speaker 1: Night